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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from Newstalk ZB. Debating all the issues and more. It's the panel on the Weekend Collective on Newstalk ZB.
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Speaker 2: It's been three whole weeks since that I have left your home. There's seven feet of training trembling. Cause now it seems that I am out here on my own. And I'm feeling so alone.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to the great streets and the broken homes.
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Speaker 2: And a very good afternoon to you.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday the 5th of September.
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Speaker 2: Date-wise it's summer.
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Speaker 3: I think geographically summer kicks in around the 22nd, but there's a bit of confusion around that. You can text your feedback anytime on 9292. And if you want, you can email me, Tim Beveridge. It's timb at newstalkzb.co.nz. Just coming up on today's show, I'll be introducing our panellists in just a moment. But looking ahead to later in the show, we'll take your calls. The One Roof Radio Show, we've got Peter Norris with us. He's from OPS Mortgages. We're going to talk about the OCR thing, interest rates going up. Is anyone expecting the OCR to go down from here or the interest rates to go down? And in that case, what does it mean for the market? Is it like, well, it's not going to go backwards. It's going to start moving.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, what does it mean?
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Speaker 3: Is it going to drive people to think, right, I've been sitting on this sort of relaxed market for a while, I might get into it. We're going to dig into all the ramifications of that and what we like to see with the OCR in the future as well. And at five o'clock, we've got a brand new guest on the show. He is the principal of, or the headmaster, I think, of Auckland Boys Grammar.
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Speaker 2: It's Tim O'Connor.
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Speaker 3: And we're going to have a chat about just the way parents should and shouldn't engage with schools and what's the best way for a parent to address a problem at school. And I have a suspicion we're not going to die wondering what Tim thinks. We'll be talking and we'll be taking your calls at five for the parent squad. Shortly before six, we're wrapping sport with Billy Woodworth, the sports journalist for Newstalk ZB. They've got the Warriors could steal the minor premiership. How many points do they need to be safe? And of course, we'll be previewing the All Blacks in the box. That's the big news of the weekend. Lots to get into. Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is nine minutes past three.
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Speaker 2: Beverage. Beverage.
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Speaker 3: One of my guests heard that and he's just about off to the pub. Anyway, welcome to the show now. My guest in no particular order, he's just a man of, he's a man of the world. No, no, I'm not talking about the other guy.
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Speaker 2: He's a man of the world. Name it, he's done it.
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Speaker 3: He's, and you'd know him as a familiar face on your screens from being a journalist who's, I don't know how many gigs he's done, but as he says, he's A silver on top.
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Speaker 2: What is it?
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Speaker 3: Maybe icy on top, but there's a fire down below. It's Mark Kreisel.
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Tim.
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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, listeners. It's not summer.
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Speaker 2: It's not summer. Oh, spring. Spring. What am I talking about?
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 2: You were mouthing at me, and I was going, what's he talking about?
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Speaker 4: Oh, spring is sprung. The grass is riz.
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Speaker 2: I wonder where the birdies is. Boomers.
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Speaker 4: Oh.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you're not supposed to speak yet. I'm surprised you're still here when we heard beverage.
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Speaker 2: He's like, what beverage? Is there a drink coming my way? Spring is sprung.
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Speaker 4: Sorry.
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Speaker 3: I probably got a text on that. Probably somebody going, you moron. It's spring, not summer. Anyway, and well, man about town as well. Where do we go with Luke Dallow?
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Speaker 2: There you are. Man about town, real estate agent to the stars. What, poor people don't call me? They do too. They want to be stars as well. Tim, I'm well. I'm off to the Warriors straight after this. Oh, how good. Excited? Yeah, I'm very excited. Very excited. Lovely spring game with a nice southwesterly. I can't believe I said summer. What a moron. Your words, not ours. Starts with S. And I'm up for 3am for the Watch the All Blacks. What a great. Holy guacamole. Exciting, exciting series it's been. Holy guacamole. That has been amazing.
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Speaker 4: This series has been incredible.
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Speaker 2: It has. It's still only halfway over.
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Speaker 4: I think it's rekindled a whole lot of people's love of rugby. And it actually really feels like it means something as well.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Actually, it's a.
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Speaker 3: Funny one because it actually feels like this is the sort of deciding match. But of course, there's going to be another one in Baltimore. But I think this is the one.
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Speaker 2: It's at altitude.
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Speaker 4: So the whole thing with the greatest rivalry is beating the other team in their own country. So whoever wins this probably has the bragging rights, I'd say. Yes.
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Speaker 2: Actually, you might as well pick it while we're talking about it. What do you think?
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Speaker 3: And tell me why and what excites you about this game, apart from the obvious, the fact that it's the All Blacks Springboks.
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Speaker 2: Mark Kreisel?
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Speaker 4: I would never go against the All Blacks, so I'll have to pick the All Blacks. But I think it'll be a really tough game. Uh, we've rested some of our players when some of the players have brought on a look really exciting. So I was talking to a guy who used to place, um, super rugby last week. And I said, what are those like playing against the spring box? He said, they're really tough, but they run out of wind with 20 minutes to go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So they're big guys, but they're not as aerobically fit as the three of us in this room, basically.
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Speaker 2: The three of us in this room. I don't know. So true.
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Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievably true. We all know. I mean, we're all waiting for the phone call.
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Speaker 4: We're available. I'm available. Luke, are you available?
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Speaker 2: Phone's ringing now. The three of us in this room. Actually, you know, the.
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Speaker 3: Look, we all have little things we focus on. You know, the player I'm really excited to see starting is Khaleesi. He just is such an exciting looking player. And I just think with the win, you know, that whole thing of the aerobic fitness and the ferocity of his energy levels, not just to focus on one player, but I love the fact that he's going to be starting the match.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm 32-22 to the All Blacks. Well, that's high. Well, I think it's going to be a high game. So it's going to be a rush in the first half, a lot of points, and then we're going to take over. Like you say, Like a good, strong, thoroughbred horse, take the line right at the end. Okay. Well, remember we did.
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Speaker 4: The first test five tries to one. We've scored a lot more tries than they have in this whole series. They're going to kick the hell out.
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Speaker 3: The first three or four things, they're either going to shock us by running it, but I don't think that'll happen. I think it'll be lots of kicks, lots of kicks, and we'll be practicing. And if we can take those balls, then.
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Speaker 2: Away we go. I mean, it's a good running team. We should have just dovetailed.
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Speaker 4: Into Jason Pines.
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Speaker 2: What's your prediction? prediction score then? I think we're going to do them by 18. Wow. Good.
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Speaker 3: Because when we do put the hammer down at the end, I think we're going to.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if we do more than that. In fact, I was talking to a colleague who's closely associated with the sports show you just listened to, and I won't name any names, but it wasn't Jason Pine, who reckons by 21 at least. He's really optimistic.
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Speaker 4: So, you know. We'll see. I mean, the other thing is they are big. They are big, big boys, and they might just... Swallow us up, run over us like a bunch of rhinos.
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Speaker 2: Eat us up and poop us out. I don't think so.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, hey, look, where we go with this? You'd think that was the top topic for the day. Okay, let's get on to the serious stuff.
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Speaker 2: Then, shall we? Look, I don't know a point.
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Speaker 3: You know, this review of the sewage plant disaster found systemic failures, governance issues, historic underinvestment, And the catastrophic failure of polluting Cook's Strait with billions of litres of untreated wastewater. Interesting there's been a failure to sort of front by people who were there.
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Speaker 4: I saw that, yes.
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Speaker 2: I can't help but think of just.
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Speaker 4: They were on holiday, Tim, when the report came out.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 4: The top infrastructure people, they were on holiday. Anyway, it's just convenient.
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Speaker 3: What do you, I mean, it's just, it reminds me of the sort of the failures that were highlighted in the report about the Mount as well. It just feels that at some levels of a bureaucracy and local government, we're lacking in accountability and people paying attention to the big stuff.
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Speaker 4: I have to say, good on Andrew Little, who actually stood up and said, sorry, he wasn't mayor when it all went down. But he had the guts of someone who actually stood up and said, look, I'm sorry this happened. We will fix it up. But this is a systemic problem in New Zealand. I think back to the CCTV building in Christchurch, which should never have been green-stickered or orange-stickered. It shouldn't have had people in it on the day of the earthquake. No one ever took the blame for that. And I remember doing a story on a class of Japanese-English students who'd had I arrived there the day before.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Half of them were killed in it. I went up to Japan.
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Speaker 2: Oh, God, yeah.
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Speaker 4: And no one in New Zealand, the Japanese just could not believe no one took responsibility for that. It was just passed around, passed around. This is a thing we do in New Zealand. And we need to, someone needs to just man up, unwoke thing to say, but man up and do it.
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Speaker 2: Actually, you know what?
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Speaker 3: It makes me feel that we might be quite lucky in Auckland. I have the feeling that we're doing all right with the infrastructure. We've got that big wastewater thing. I saw the images of that. It looked like a sub-waste. I mean, we've done some good investing, but there are some councils around the country who I feel sorry for their ratepayers. And, of course, those councils who want to make big rate rises to catch up for the fact that previous iterations of councils have been bloody useless.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think just we've got Wayne Brown, who just is a hard-nosed sort of politician, isn't he? He just says, do this and this. He's a grumpy old curmudgeon as well. He is a grumpy guy. He's sort of a lovable guy. Yeah, exactly. But he's just a hard-nosed guy who knows how to get the job done. But more point, another botch up with the wrong people running. I mean, and that's one scale. I'll stress the point that you've made is that we get the wrong people in these positions who are uneducated, don't know what they're doing, and there should be like educated people that should be in those roles, right? I'm sure there's plenty of degrees there. Lots of degrees, but no practical. How to dig a hole. That's Luke Dallow. He's on the interviewing panel. It's like, okay, we've seen your degree.
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Speaker 3: Now here's a shovel. There's a bit of turf over there. I want you to dig me a three by three foot hole by three.
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Speaker 4: It's across the board, though. No one seems to take any responsibility for this. I mean, it's the same in the government. Every government blames the last one for everything. At some stage, somebody, you know, Harry Truman, the US president, had a sign on his desk that said, the buck stops here. Where does the buck stop? It just keeps going round and round and round.
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Speaker 2: Actually, that'd be a good cartoon if you were a political cartoonist.
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Speaker 3: You'd have the Truman era, the buck stops here, and then you'd have some sort of council, the buck stops here, and it'd be a dart flying around the room.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, our slogan's more, get the buck out of here.
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Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, that was so close to me thinking you were going to be naughty.
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Speaker 4: He's a long way from that other letter.
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Speaker 3: Oh, boy, poor old Locke, my producer there. He's thinking, what do we do with Chrysler? We have to send him out in a straitjacket. Anyway, hey, look, speaking of politics, well, this will tie in. I'll go straight to you on this one, Mark. So Nationals being accused of making false claims about Labour's planned taxes. they're saying they're planning to introduce nine taxes. Anyway, it's attack ad time.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: The attack ads won't work for me from whichever side because despite the job I'm doing where we have Politics Central tomorrow and we do the– as a punter, I've sort of tuned out. I tune in for the issues as they roll each weekend from a job. But I couldn't give a toss about attack ads. It's just trash talk. The absence or presence of them means, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: It's the frequency of the message, I think. So it's actually reached absolutely ludicrous levels. I heard Simeon Brown being asked the other day about the prime minister using two planes to go up to Pilau for the conference. And he said, people don't care about that. They care about the number of taxes that Labour's going to be pointing at. So you could ask them what the weather's going to be like, and he's going to say, people don't care about the weather. They worry about how much tax they're going to pay. So it's got slightly ridiculous. But it's just, you know, if you repeat something enough, Donald Trump has taught us that, even if it's right or wrong, people will start to believe it. Actually, Goebbels taught us that.
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Speaker 2: Oh, bloody hell. It's going back there. That's true.
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Speaker 4: That's an actual minister of propaganda. What's the law?
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Speaker 3: The longer a conversation goes, the longer a debate goes, the higher the probabilities that someone's going to mention the Nazis.
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Speaker 2: And you got there pretty quick, Mark. Yeah, I got there pretty quick. Aim for the top. 19 minutes.
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Speaker 3: I had the wind behind me, though. Well, no, I think we're only being talked about.
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Speaker 2: Anyway... Luke Dallow, you look like you're drawing a blank. It's just all trash advertising and so forth. It's airtime for the politicians. They'll find anything. There's bigger airtime issues that the politicians need to get on air. But, hey, look, it's just trash talk.
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Speaker 3: Look, actually, I am looking forward to debate time for politics. Actually, the one thing I've never done is I've never, ever gone to a local constituency meeting And I still might never, but I'm intending to go and see, in Tāmaki, my electorate, I still want to go and see the new candidates.
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Speaker 2: Because I just want to go.
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Speaker 3: Along and sort of be in the hall as they answer questions and see who I'm impressed by.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well worthwhile.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the candidate who's replacing Brooke Van Velden is James Christmas.
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Speaker 2: You've just got to. Who I've met. Great name, isn't it? Great name.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: Christmas is coming. And, you know, I mean, it's not far around the corner. There's got to be some sort of electoral tie in there.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, no, maybe not. But, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And the new national guy, Mahesh Muralidhar. And I don't know who the other candidates are, actually.
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Speaker 2: The national guy is lovely. I've met him once before. He ran for Auckland last time.
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Speaker 4: Auckland Central, wasn't he, last time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Auckland Central last time. He was fantastic. But Candice, I've met today, too.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just going to look, I just want to look forward to, I'm looking forward to just, I wonder if people are going to be more inclined to do that. Cause I would say as far as just a community event, if you do see there's going to be a debate with the candidates or something, just get along with there and face to face, have a cup of coffee and, you know, shortbread or something and, and, and.
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Speaker 2: Watch the debate.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you don't want to be just watching that stuff rolling in through your phone. No, it's good to be in a room and it's good to ask them questions and humanize them and, and, and challenge them and find out what they've got to say, you know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I saw Candice today face-to-face. Candice who? Candice, the electric for Auckland.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Candice, I don't know her surname.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's from Texas. She's from Texas. Yeah, she's from Texas. She's shouting her name at the radio right now. She's listening. She's actually a polo team or something like that. Yeah, but a lovely person. And some horses.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Came from an open home today. She's lovely. Cool. Oh, well, good.
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Speaker 3: People, look, if you learn anything from this show, it's maybe to reflect on the fact it could be worth popping along to see your local debate. Anyway, I'm just distracted by a call that's come in from someone who works at the station who might be calling to tell us something interesting, but never mind.
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Speaker 2: Right, okay.
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Speaker 3: Let's move on, shall we? Actually, no, I tell you what, we'll go to the break. We'll be back in just a moment, Newstalk ZB. Yes, welcome back to my panel with Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. Now, moving on, we're sticking with the politics for a I'm not sure what to make of this one because I'm a bit Bob each way.
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Speaker 2: So act is to stop road.
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Speaker 3: Funding going towards public art to protect maintenance money. So they don't want public art being funded from transport budgets and they want to ensure that money earmarked for road maintenance isn't raided to pay for new projects. I think an example, you know, when there's a new freeway, the Hamilton Free Waikato Expressway, there's a sort of sculpture there. And I've got to say, I don't mind it because it doesn't seem like a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: And so, but I sort of think, well, if.
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Speaker 3: We can't pay to fix the potholes, maybe that money. But there's a beautiful, you know, there's something about a bit of a, there's a, well, gateway to, you know, the Northland or to Waikato.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the hill I'd die on, but Luke. I love it. You love what? I love the art. I love the art. I love going up north and seeing the art of the new motorway. I just, I find it quite refreshing, you know, and I think they've done it really well with all these new motorways.
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Speaker 3: I think Mark's surprised at you. I think Mark's going, I wasn't expecting that.
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking this is going to be really boring because I think all three of us agree.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I was, I was waiting for you to nudge me in one direction, but I, it's just in the scheme of hundreds and billions, I mean, it's a lot of money for a sculpture, 600,000, but In the scheme of a new.
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Speaker 2: It's going to last a while. It's probably about a metre of road, is it? But my point is I think they should hold it for a period of time till we get the road sorted and then restart it up again or get some private people to pay for it. But definitely we've got issues with the roads. I want the art to continue, but I think we just need to pause it. It's a lot of money.
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Speaker 4: Also, it's a brutally ugly thing. Well, they can be brutally ugly things, motorways, and if there's some way you can change that up or into... introduce a bit of sort of regional flair or something. You know, when you're a kid going in a car, when you see those things, that's something that you always remember or somewhere that you went, you know, and I agree. I mean, I think, you know, okay, you could pay, I think that sculpture you're talking about is around $ 600, 000. Is that right?
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Speaker 2: There's another one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one I read about, but there's, they're pointed towards 3.7 million being spent on 35,000 Poe, which are carved wooden posts.
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Speaker 4: Sounds like pretty good value to me, actually.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's probably not bad money for a post, to be honest, but.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a bit more than a post.
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Speaker 2: I know. I was deliberately being a little bit naughty.
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Speaker 4: Your six-year-old could do that? Is that what you're going to say? But I think you would understand with art, too, Tim, that art doesn't always have a dollar value, right? No. I think too often in this country, it's easy to say this, you know, when I'm not paying for it all indirectly, I am via my taxes, but I mean, I think quite often we put a dollar value on everything, and art is just one of those things that if it's good, it'll move you in some way. And so, you know, that I think is worth investing in as a country. But also you like planting a tree, a one-tree hill, and then it goes away type thing. But I think art is a big thing, and I think, oh, continue on with it.
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Speaker 2: Get on with it.
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Speaker 4: Keep it on.
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Speaker 3: Actually, what reminds me of some of the more famous sculptures that you get around New Zealand, is it Rakaia that's got the trout or– Salmon.
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Speaker 4: Salmon. Yeah. And actually there was a bit of a fruit, the big Kiwi fruit.
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Speaker 2: Where would crumb will be with that? I wonder what they spent.
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Speaker 4: Oh, don't forget the big carrot.
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Speaker 2: Alpacuni.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: LMP.
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Speaker 4: LMP.
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Speaker 2: What is that? A town called Lemon. Actually, it would be... Oh, look at these guys. We're very good together. We're going to take this on the road. Drive past all the sculptures.
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Speaker 3: If the cameras were on, look, you probably heard there was a bit of a high five. They were doing a high five. They're so pleased with themselves. Actually, what would be interesting would be to see what some of the sort of council sculptures cost. I wonder what the fruit and crumb will cost to maintain.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know. That's an interesting point.
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Speaker 2: Just get a water blast on it.
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Speaker 4: But I guess one thing with those.
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Speaker 5: Sorts of places. A bit of a water blast. A bit of paint. It gives a town an identity. It's something that you remember. So there's a value in that in terms of property and commerce and bringing people there, using it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's marketing as well, though. Yeah. The Japanese taking photos in front of the lemon and pyrrole bottle.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So we're okay with it. Not the hill to die on with the money.
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Speaker 2: For the sculptors.
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Speaker 3: Although you would bob each way there, Luke, because you said, I'll not spend it straight away. If you don't spend it now, you never will. If you say, we'll put the sculpture up later before you know it, that money, sorry, that's been gone to, you know, we're fixing this pothole down the road.
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Speaker 2: Well, you just get an old sculpture out of the back of the garden and put it up here, you know. Put something there, but just pause it. Or boot bath. Magnificent.
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Speaker 4: Put an I-O-U.
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Speaker 2: Well, that would be a political sort of statement, wouldn't it? Yeah. Now, the real estate agent, the, hang on a second. Actually, what will, and anyway, you do it yourself. You do it before. What am I doing? The real estate agent.
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Speaker 4: What am I doing? About the woman who lost her... Possibly she refused to compete her Maori tikanga course and arguing it was largely irrelevant to her work, politically biased and conflicted with her Christian beliefs, and she failed in her bid for exemption. Tim, I'll start you on this.
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Speaker 2: No, no. I'll start. She's an absolute carrot. Hey, look, I'm in real estate. I've got to do the courses. It was actually not bad, and all the real estate agents out there, some of them are not born in New Zealand, and it's good to know what our tikanga is. But have I used it in real estate?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: But I did learn a little bit, and I think it's good for the real estate agents at that time. So I think she's a Karen, and get rid of her.
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Speaker 4: I would say if it's part of getting your real estate license, then that's the rules.
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Speaker 2: That's the rule.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, don't try and take it. It reminds me of those people who refused to sell a wedding cake to a couple of lesbians in the States because just their very being, you know, went against their Christian beliefs. So I think, you know, if these are the rules.
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Speaker 2: They're the rules. Just do it. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is to me, sorry, I had all my papers muddled up there. I mean, it's, The idea that you have to pass in for something, in that when you're a broad, when you're an agency dealing with this sort of stuff, I mean, I must admit, the fact that you've got to go through it seemed all a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Ridiculous, but it was only half a minute or an hour and a half.
00:23:30
Speaker 3: I just couldn't get into why you'd make this the sort of, you know, do it or don't do it.
00:23:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, just get into it. We all had to do it. Yes, there were some people in the office that didn't want to do it, but hey, look, just get on with it. It's your licence. It's part of your job.
00:23:42
Speaker 3: Education i mean to be honest have an open mind it shouldn't actually be what's going what i'm on her side with is really it's irrelevant what i mean if you want to be a real estate agent and you want to hang whatever your office is stuff to do with race race i think is totally irrelevant i sort of am on her side but it's just more than.
00:24:01
Speaker 4: Just race it's it's culture it's you know there may be Areas I don't know where you go to sell a house that may be in an even area or something like that. Yeah, but I mean then– I'm just saying there's a counter-argument to that.
00:24:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then again you wouldn't– if you're not cut out to sell to that part of the market, just don't do it.
00:24:20
Speaker 2: Pass it on to someone else. It wasn't about selling to the market. It was just more education about Murraydon. Okay. That was all what it was. And Tim, to your right, I've never used it. 99% of the agents haven't used it. Hmm.
00:24:32
Speaker 4: I often find that people complain about these things and when they actually do them, they actually, it opens up a whole new world to them, which they didn't know existed. And so I think it's probably a good thing for all New Zealanders to understand the cultures that they live around.
00:24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:24:48
Speaker 4: I can't see how you could argue against that.
00:24:50
Speaker 3: I've got to say that I wouldn't be losing my job over this over an hour and a half, you know, just put up with it and move on. But, you know, that's... It's the way she's wanted to do it. So I have some sympathy for her, but it's just not the fight I would have. Anyway, I tell you what, shall we make a little bit of a break and.
00:25:09
Speaker 2: We'll just come in.
00:25:10
Speaker 4: We need to switch you on and off again, Tim.
00:25:12
Speaker 2: What's that?
00:25:13
Speaker 4: You're stuttering a bit with your papers and everything.
00:25:15
Speaker 2: I know, sorry, I just got a bit lost on something. Reboot you. We'll be back in just a moment.
00:25:18
Speaker 4: We're just rebooting Tim.
00:25:20
Speaker 2: We're rebooting me.
00:25:21
Speaker 3: It's 25 minutes to four, Newstalk ZB. Newstalk ZB, welcome back. My guests are Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. Now, guys, talking about, this is an interesting one about the alcohol side of things, that young people aren't drinking anything like they used to, and so alcohol intake is at record lows.
00:25:39
Speaker 4: So me and Luke are making up for that, though, aren't we, Luke?
00:25:42
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, yes, we are.
00:25:43
Speaker 4: We're doing our bit for our country's liquor industry.
00:25:46
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't really surprise me.
00:25:49
Speaker 3: I went for a walk this morning with my daughter, who's not of drinking age or anything, but she was talking about how much information they're getting about alcohol. When I was growing up, we had no information that it was either you drank in moderation or you drank and you got drunk and that wasn't good.
00:26:04
Speaker 2: That was about it.
00:26:04
Speaker 3: Whereas these days, I mean, now kids are having lessens in the dangers of alcohol. They're less inclined to drink. Of course, we've got a problem with drugs as, you know, we haven't resolved that. But what's your take on it all? People drinking less? Are we just drinking smarter? What do you think's changed?
00:26:22
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, you know, I've been in the industry for 27 years. And I've seen from when I started back in the early 90s to now, early 90s, people were rolling out the door drunk at a pubs. You know, it was just a different culture back then. And then it started to get a little bit tighter with red tape, with intoxication and so forth. And then now it's just, I think that our social sort of responses that we're changing with the young demographic are more healthy, less drinking, but also there's a demographic of our immigration as well, which is... You've got the Chinese, you've got the Indians, you've got the Polynesians that don't drink so much like us. So, therefore, we've got a lot of, I don't know, a lot of hospitality people are still struggling out there because they're not getting the numbers through.
00:27:12
Speaker 4: I remember a few years ago hanging out with the cops on a Friday night, just around, you know, through the night, basically, and it was an absolute zoo. And the amount of money wasted there, on police time, just picking up drunk idiots who are drunk to excess was, it was just insane. And I think it's a sign of us growing up a little bit as a country as well. If you go to Europe, mainland Europe, not the UK, you won't see that there either, that people drink in moderation, they drink with meals, they drink to enjoy it rather than to get intoxicated. So I think maybe we're growing up a little bit, but I think all those other reasons too. But Plus, on top of it, it's really expensive. Like, go to a bar I went out last Saturday night and just buying a few drinks and stuff. I was like, is that really where I want my tight funds to go? You know, so you have to think about it.
00:28:09
Speaker 3: So have you changed your drinking habits in the.
00:28:11
Speaker 2: Last few years?
00:28:12
Speaker 4: I don't drink that much. Occasionally, like, I don't mind a drop of whiskey, you know, a couple of times a week. But I could probably go for months without drinking quite comfortably.
00:28:20
Speaker 2: I drink when I cook. Yeah. And also I drink.
00:28:23
Speaker 4: You don't get those two mixed up.
00:28:24
Speaker 2: I cook when I drink. I cook with a drink. And also I drink with a few mates on a Tuesday because it's just catching up. But we drink to enjoy. Yeah. And to comradeship. And I think the culture of drinking has totally changed. And like you say, it's expensive.
00:28:41
Speaker 3: I also think that the craft beer industry has changed a lot of New Zealanders' attitudes towards beer drinking. Apparently beer is still the thing we drink the most of. But I like that it's no longer about getting a dozen and getting as many down.
00:28:55
Speaker 4: We still have crate day. Oh, yeah.
00:29:00
Speaker 3: We still have people who drink to success, but I think that that has influenced people's attitudes towards beer.
00:29:08
Speaker 4: What's also, I think, changed with us is we used to drink to time limits. Obviously, there was a six o'clock swell, so And then later, I mean, when I was growing up, the pubs were probably only open until about 10, I think. You get a late license, might go later. So people drank really fast. They only had a certain amount of time. And I think this is possibly a maturing. Another thing, I was talking to a wine seller recently, and he was saying how much their wine sales are down, particularly to the States and things. And that's because weed is legal in a lot of states. So people are finding other ways to get intoxicated. There's a lot more um drugs around i think like that's the difference and stuff like that.
00:29:47
Speaker 3: That's the thing i don't i don't relate to and i'm just a bit of a square perhaps but if i have a glass of wine or beer i do it because i like the taste and the sensation i i'm not interested in the feeling boozed you know what you're talking about well no i don't know i like the But you see, if you're having a joint, you're not smoking a joint because you like the taste of smoke. You're smoking it because you want to get high. I don't drink to get high. I drink because I like the taste of whiskey, red wine, whatever.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: But it's the young people. Yeah. The young people are into the drugs, you could say, into RTDs and so forth. And that's it. And they're into fitness and well-being. So we've changed. I mean, we're probably still doing what we used to do. Let's just have a glass of wine. I was always a cheap drunk anyway.
00:30:35
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you never brought me around.
00:30:39
Speaker 2: You're right. We haven't had a drink together.
00:30:41
Speaker 3: I'm still waiting for the invitation to Chrysler's place.
00:30:45
Speaker 2: I'm expensive. Yeah, we won't be inviting you.
00:30:50
Speaker 4: No, it's interesting. And also, I think, like, if you look at it dispassionately, and they're learning at school, obviously, Luke, alcohol is not good for you.
00:30:58
Speaker 2: It's not good. My son says to me, Dad, Don't drink so much now, you know, which is interesting. And he's an 18-year-old. Do you need that wine, Dad?
00:31:06
Speaker 4: Really?
00:31:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite interesting. And I take that, I think about it. Do I? And then whack, back it goes. When he goes upstairs, it's gone.
00:31:17
Speaker 4: Where'd that go?
00:31:18
Speaker 2: Look over there.
00:31:18
Speaker 4: God, it's radio.
00:31:23
Speaker 2: Hey, now, this netball thing, eh?
00:31:26
Speaker 3: Netball New Zealand are hoping that, well, they've got the support of Mowbray and Williams to get the league going here, and they're hoping it'll lure the Silver Ferns back.
00:31:37
Speaker 2: I think, you know what? Good on them.
00:31:40
Speaker 3: Anna Mowbray and Ali Williams. They've got a bit of money. They're going to spend money on it. And I sort of think that, you know, we know the Mowbrays have made a hell of a lot of money through their business endeavours. I actually just think what a great thing for them to spend some of it on.
00:31:53
Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
00:31:53
Speaker 2: I just think fantastic.
00:31:55
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, it's a reality that, you know, we need private money to support this massive participant spawn.
00:32:03
Speaker 2: It's massive.
00:32:04
Speaker 4: Like my daughter plays netball or the season's just ended, actually. The amount of people involved, you know, parents helping. It's such a good community thing. You're getting them out there. Oh, my God, it's incredibly good for their resilience. They throw them out there in the most insane weather, and they just run up and down those wet, windy courts.
00:32:22
Speaker 3: Oh, we've been lucky. The night my daughters have been playing, we've been quite lucky that they never really had any horrendous nights, whereas the year before, it was just rain.
00:32:32
Speaker 2: All the time. They never cancel netball, do they?
00:32:34
Speaker 4: No, they don't.
00:32:35
Speaker 2: That windy place at Mount Wellington, oh.
00:32:38
Speaker 3: Oh, when there's a bit of lightning, they do. In fact, I think there are a few teams that just agreed, it's like, let's just call it quits and, you know.
00:32:45
Speaker 4: But I think supporting sport is such a good thing to do. It's aspirational, but it teaches lots of good values for kids. You know, it's teamwork, it's helping out your mates, it's all those kind of things. And if these guys are giving some of their money to help it out and let's, you know, let's be real here, it's been in real dire straits. So, I mean, this feels like a good, wholesome thing to be doing.
00:33:09
Speaker 3: It's such a shame because I think it is, unless I've got this wrong, I did a bit of research during the week on this, I think it's the largest participant sport in New Zealand.
00:33:16
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
00:33:16
Speaker 3: And the fact that we can't get it together, I don't know.
00:33:22
Speaker 4: Be that or football.
00:33:23
Speaker 2: Well, it's nipple and football. But I tip my hat off to Mo Brand and Williams. I mean, they're great people, but let's be realistic here. They want to get a return on their money, but they're giving them a hand up, and they will actually help put in those those although.
00:33:37
Speaker 3: She knows she knows it's going to be she did acknowledge it's going to be a while before you see any money so they're obviously they've got two they want to make money but they want to support the game.
00:33:47
Speaker 4: Yeah i mean i think good on them but i still don't think they should have that helicopter pad oh i'd love that idea are they your neighbors you're not neighbor though are you a neighbor no no no we're down the road we're in the same hood man yeah but i'd love to see the helicopter on that pad that's my opinion Hey, but I do see them.
00:34:05
Speaker 2: Amalgamating with Australia too in the bigger picture, in the bigger scheme of things. And that's where Mowbray and Williams will be thinking about the bigger game.
00:34:12
Speaker 4: It makes real sense. Like the sports that have done it, obviously you've got the Waratahs, the Breakers, Auckland FC, Wellington Phoenix, those sorts of competitions. It opens us up. It makes us sharper. And it's really aspirational for young kids.
00:34:28
Speaker 3: So what sports did you, what winter sports did you guys do when you were growing up?
00:34:32
Speaker 2: I was rugby, winter sports. I was rugby and soccer and football. And soccer.
00:34:36
Speaker 3: Rugby and soccer.
00:34:38
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:34:38
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I was a very athletic person. Yeah, what happened?
00:34:42
Speaker 5: Oh.
00:34:42
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. When I turned 18, I found alcohol. I found alcohol. And cooking. We used to be rugby, racing and beer.
00:34:53
Speaker 4: I was rugby and basketball and surfing. I just surfed all the time through winter and summer.
00:34:58
Speaker 2: You're a cool dude. Yeah.
00:34:59
Speaker 4: Are you still surf now? I have two surfboards, but that says I don't surf that much. Look, if I get the opportunity and I'm at a beach and I've got my surfboard.
00:35:08
Speaker 2: You've definitely got the wispy hair for a surfer. What, both of them?
00:35:15
Speaker 3: Hey, look, we're going to take a quick break. We're with Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. A couple more things to talk about. Oh, the Sky Sport scheduling error with Jai Arrow's 100th game walkout.
00:35:26
Speaker 2: That was the balls up there.
00:35:27
Speaker 3: And we might, if we've got time, talk about the appeal of Christchurch Bakery's Horse Meat Pies. We'll be back in just a moment. This is a Weekend Collective. It is 11 and.
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Speaker 2: A half minutes to four. Yes, welcome back. We're with Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. I'm Tim Beveridge.
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Speaker 3: Now, guys, I watched this footage of Sky Sport. They blame our scheduling error. I think there's been an interview. I think Jason Pine had an interview, and it was... Anyway, they played a gambling ad during Jai Arrow's 100th game walkout.
00:35:56
Speaker 2: Now, he's got a neuro... disease. I've suddenly got the wrong word.
00:36:01
Speaker 4: Motor neurone disease.
00:36:02
Speaker 2: Motor neurone disease.
00:36:03
Speaker 3: And I watched the clip where it shows, up to the point where it shows the gambling kicking in. But God, what an emotional sort of experience for everyone involved. You know, they changed the rules so he could take the field. And as soon as the whistle blew, they blew it. They would blow for a break so he could at least beat, you know, record 100 games. And the community feeling and the family and stuff. And I just sort of thought, In a tragic way, it reminds you how important people are in all these communities. And I just found it so amusing. But the fact that they interrupted it for whatever reason with a gambling ad. Well, people, if you didn't like it, stop gambling so they don't have to advertise.
00:36:42
Speaker 4: But anyway. Well, it wouldn't matter what they played, to be fair.
00:36:44
Speaker 2: Because unfortunately, it was a gambling ad.
00:36:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:36:47
Speaker 2: What did you make of it, though, Mark?
00:36:48
Speaker 4: Oh, look, it's horrible. I'm sure they feel sick about it. It's a horrible, horrible mistake. What I like about what Sky did is they've owned it. They've said, we screwed up, we're really sorry, and explained what happened. So I like to think that we all make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from them, but it's really important. Here's someone who's actually taking responsibility for something that happened, which is the opposite to the Wellington City Council. But it's probably, you.
00:37:19
Speaker 3: Know, it's also a symptom of is that probably, you know, everything, everyone who's in the world of media is operating on as thin a budget as you can have.
00:37:28
Speaker 4: Yep.
00:37:28
Speaker 3: And maybe if we went back 20 or 30 years ago, there would have been someone there to go, what are you doing?
00:37:35
Speaker 2: But there wasn't.
00:37:36
Speaker 3: There was a continuity person who had no briefing, pushed the button as instructed, and away we went.
00:37:41
Speaker 2: Luke? That person didn't push the button. I mean, just didn't read the room. I mean, that should have been right through. There's plenty of opportunities to put the betting on and after the fact as they're walking off the field or whatever. But what an emotional, I mean, that was a tearjerker and absolute tearjerker no matter who you were watching that, just that poor fellow. Yeah. 100 games and I really tipped my hat off to Wayne Bennett. Big hugs there. What a great guy that guy is as well. He instigated it all, made it happen, but Sky... Yeah, it's a blue, but you know what?
00:38:15
Speaker 3: I'd encourage, go onto the New Zealand Herald website, look for Sky Sports Schedule Era, but forget about the ad playing. Just watch the bit leading up to it and the emotion in that stadium.
00:38:25
Speaker 2: It's really quite moving. But Sky is professional. Really moving. You've got to be professional in your game. They should have read the room.
00:38:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:38:32
Speaker 3: Lucky last, I don't know where to go with this one. Christchurch Bakery... is debuting three new horse meat pie flavors.
00:38:42
Speaker 2: They've got mixed reviews.
00:38:43
Speaker 3: Obviously, there's plain horse and cheese and curried horse.
00:38:48
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I'm sorry. Off to the races? They're not horsing around. I couldn't eat it.
00:38:56
Speaker 3: I just don't know. I wouldn't want to eat horse. I'm a beef and lamb guy.
00:39:00
Speaker 2: That's it. And pork, maybe. It's a great meat. It's lean. It's tasty. It's tasty. That's fantastic.
00:39:06
Speaker 4: Where have you eaten it?
00:39:07
Speaker 2: In Europe, right throughout Europe. You've got France, Italy, Spain.
00:39:12
Speaker 4: So his question, would you eat dog?
00:39:15
Speaker 2: If I had to.
00:39:17
Speaker 4: If you had to, what do you mean? So why is that different to horse?
00:39:20
Speaker 2: I'd eat a cat. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
00:39:23
Speaker 4: I've got two in my place.
00:39:27
Speaker 2: But not a dog, I don't think. See, it's interesting.
00:39:31
Speaker 4: See, I think I imagine a lot of the opposition is because this is an animal that we love and cherish.
00:39:35
Speaker 2: Well, you couldn't munch on a Mr. Ed, could you? I don't know. Isn't it funny? The toddler loves it. It's an animal. It's meat, I guess.
00:39:46
Speaker 3: But it's funny what we can and can't eat. I could never eat duck because I could always just... No, I don't like duck because all I could picture was this sort of duck going, whack, whack.
00:39:53
Speaker 2: Hello, hello, hello.
00:39:54
Speaker 4: So what about snails and grasshoppers?
00:39:59
Speaker 2: Frogs like chicken. It's a beautiful frog. Frog is delicious. Divine.
00:40:04
Speaker 4: It's so snail, actually.
00:40:05
Speaker 2: It's garlic. Should we go in for lunch?
00:40:08
Speaker 4: Get amongst it, Tim.
00:40:09
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look at you. You're so eating. You'll eat anything that's going.
00:40:14
Speaker 4: Go on.
00:40:15
Speaker 2: We're athletes.
00:40:18
Speaker 4: And we're available.
00:40:19
Speaker 2: And you're available. Thanks so much, guys. That's Mark Kreisel and Luke Dallow. But don't forget to listen back after 6 o'clock.
00:40:28
Speaker 3: And if you did miss any of this, I think you'll find it's worth revisiting. Anyway, we'll be back next with the One Roof Radio show. Peter Norris from AuPair's Partners talking about the cash rate, mortgages, all that stuff.
00:40:39
Speaker 2: Back in a moment, Newstalk ZB.
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Speaker 2: It's been three whole weeks since that I have left your home. There's seven feet of training trembling. Cause now it seems that I am out here on my own. And I'm feeling so alone.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to the great streets and the broken homes.
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Speaker 2: And a very good afternoon to you.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday the 5th of September.
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Speaker 2: Date-wise it's summer.
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Speaker 3: I think geographically summer kicks in around the 22nd, but there's a bit of confusion around that. You can text your feedback anytime on 9292. And if you want, you can email me, Tim Beveridge. It's timb at newstalkzb.co.nz. Just coming up on today's show, I'll be introducing our panellists in just a moment. But looking ahead to later in the show, we'll take your calls. The One Roof Radio Show, we've got Peter Norris with us. He's from OPS Mortgages. We're going to talk about the OCR thing, interest rates going up. Is anyone expecting the OCR to go down from here or the interest rates to go down? And in that case, what does it mean for the market? Is it like, well, it's not going to go backwards. It's going to start moving.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, what does it mean?
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Speaker 3: Is it going to drive people to think, right, I've been sitting on this sort of relaxed market for a while, I might get into it. We're going to dig into all the ramifications of that and what we like to see with the OCR in the future as well. And at five o'clock, we've got a brand new guest on the show. He is the principal of, or the headmaster, I think, of Auckland Boys Grammar.
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Speaker 2: It's Tim O'Connor.
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Speaker 3: And we're going to have a chat about just the way parents should and shouldn't engage with schools and what's the best way for a parent to address a problem at school. And I have a suspicion we're not going to die wondering what Tim thinks. We'll be talking and we'll be taking your calls at five for the parent squad. Shortly before six, we're wrapping sport with Billy Woodworth, the sports journalist for Newstalk ZB. They've got the Warriors could steal the minor premiership. How many points do they need to be safe? And of course, we'll be previewing the All Blacks in the box. That's the big news of the weekend. Lots to get into. Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is nine minutes past three.
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Speaker 2: Beverage. Beverage.
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Speaker 3: One of my guests heard that and he's just about off to the pub. Anyway, welcome to the show now. My guest in no particular order, he's just a man of, he's a man of the world. No, no, I'm not talking about the other guy.
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Speaker 2: He's a man of the world. Name it, he's done it.
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Speaker 3: He's, and you'd know him as a familiar face on your screens from being a journalist who's, I don't know how many gigs he's done, but as he says, he's A silver on top.
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Speaker 2: What is it?
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Speaker 3: Maybe icy on top, but there's a fire down below. It's Mark Kreisel.
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Tim.
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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, listeners. It's not summer.
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Speaker 2: It's not summer. Oh, spring. Spring. What am I talking about?
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 2: You were mouthing at me, and I was going, what's he talking about?
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Speaker 4: Oh, spring is sprung. The grass is riz.
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Speaker 2: I wonder where the birdies is. Boomers.
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Speaker 4: Oh.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you're not supposed to speak yet. I'm surprised you're still here when we heard beverage.
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Speaker 2: He's like, what beverage? Is there a drink coming my way? Spring is sprung.
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Speaker 4: Sorry.
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Speaker 3: I probably got a text on that. Probably somebody going, you moron. It's spring, not summer. Anyway, and well, man about town as well. Where do we go with Luke Dallow?
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Speaker 2: There you are. Man about town, real estate agent to the stars. What, poor people don't call me? They do too. They want to be stars as well. Tim, I'm well. I'm off to the Warriors straight after this. Oh, how good. Excited? Yeah, I'm very excited. Very excited. Lovely spring game with a nice southwesterly. I can't believe I said summer. What a moron. Your words, not ours. Starts with S. And I'm up for 3am for the Watch the All Blacks. What a great. Holy guacamole. Exciting, exciting series it's been. Holy guacamole. That has been amazing.
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Speaker 4: This series has been incredible.
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Speaker 2: It has. It's still only halfway over.
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Speaker 4: I think it's rekindled a whole lot of people's love of rugby. And it actually really feels like it means something as well.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Actually, it's a.
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Speaker 3: Funny one because it actually feels like this is the sort of deciding match. But of course, there's going to be another one in Baltimore. But I think this is the one.
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Speaker 2: It's at altitude.
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Speaker 4: So the whole thing with the greatest rivalry is beating the other team in their own country. So whoever wins this probably has the bragging rights, I'd say. Yes.
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Speaker 2: Actually, you might as well pick it while we're talking about it. What do you think?
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Speaker 3: And tell me why and what excites you about this game, apart from the obvious, the fact that it's the All Blacks Springboks.
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Speaker 2: Mark Kreisel?
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Speaker 4: I would never go against the All Blacks, so I'll have to pick the All Blacks. But I think it'll be a really tough game. Uh, we've rested some of our players when some of the players have brought on a look really exciting. So I was talking to a guy who used to place, um, super rugby last week. And I said, what are those like playing against the spring box? He said, they're really tough, but they run out of wind with 20 minutes to go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So they're big guys, but they're not as aerobically fit as the three of us in this room, basically.
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Speaker 2: The three of us in this room. I don't know. So true.
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Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievably true. We all know. I mean, we're all waiting for the phone call.
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Speaker 4: We're available. I'm available. Luke, are you available?
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Speaker 2: Phone's ringing now. The three of us in this room. Actually, you know, the.
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Speaker 3: Look, we all have little things we focus on. You know, the player I'm really excited to see starting is Khaleesi. He just is such an exciting looking player. And I just think with the win, you know, that whole thing of the aerobic fitness and the ferocity of his energy levels, not just to focus on one player, but I love the fact that he's going to be starting the match.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm 32-22 to the All Blacks. Well, that's high. Well, I think it's going to be a high game. So it's going to be a rush in the first half, a lot of points, and then we're going to take over. Like you say, Like a good, strong, thoroughbred horse, take the line right at the end. Okay. Well, remember we did.
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Speaker 4: The first test five tries to one. We've scored a lot more tries than they have in this whole series. They're going to kick the hell out.
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Speaker 3: The first three or four things, they're either going to shock us by running it, but I don't think that'll happen. I think it'll be lots of kicks, lots of kicks, and we'll be practicing. And if we can take those balls, then.
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Speaker 2: Away we go. I mean, it's a good running team. We should have just dovetailed.
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Speaker 4: Into Jason Pines.
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Speaker 2: What's your prediction? prediction score then? I think we're going to do them by 18. Wow. Good.
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Speaker 3: Because when we do put the hammer down at the end, I think we're going to.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if we do more than that. In fact, I was talking to a colleague who's closely associated with the sports show you just listened to, and I won't name any names, but it wasn't Jason Pine, who reckons by 21 at least. He's really optimistic.
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Speaker 4: So, you know. We'll see. I mean, the other thing is they are big. They are big, big boys, and they might just... Swallow us up, run over us like a bunch of rhinos.
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Speaker 2: Eat us up and poop us out. I don't think so.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, hey, look, where we go with this? You'd think that was the top topic for the day. Okay, let's get on to the serious stuff.
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Speaker 2: Then, shall we? Look, I don't know a point.
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Speaker 3: You know, this review of the sewage plant disaster found systemic failures, governance issues, historic underinvestment, And the catastrophic failure of polluting Cook's Strait with billions of litres of untreated wastewater. Interesting there's been a failure to sort of front by people who were there.
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Speaker 4: I saw that, yes.
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Speaker 2: I can't help but think of just.
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Speaker 4: They were on holiday, Tim, when the report came out.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 4: The top infrastructure people, they were on holiday. Anyway, it's just convenient.
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Speaker 3: What do you, I mean, it's just, it reminds me of the sort of the failures that were highlighted in the report about the Mount as well. It just feels that at some levels of a bureaucracy and local government, we're lacking in accountability and people paying attention to the big stuff.
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Speaker 4: I have to say, good on Andrew Little, who actually stood up and said, sorry, he wasn't mayor when it all went down. But he had the guts of someone who actually stood up and said, look, I'm sorry this happened. We will fix it up. But this is a systemic problem in New Zealand. I think back to the CCTV building in Christchurch, which should never have been green-stickered or orange-stickered. It shouldn't have had people in it on the day of the earthquake. No one ever took the blame for that. And I remember doing a story on a class of Japanese-English students who'd had I arrived there the day before.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Half of them were killed in it. I went up to Japan.
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Speaker 2: Oh, God, yeah.
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Speaker 4: And no one in New Zealand, the Japanese just could not believe no one took responsibility for that. It was just passed around, passed around. This is a thing we do in New Zealand. And we need to, someone needs to just man up, unwoke thing to say, but man up and do it.
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Speaker 2: Actually, you know what?
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Speaker 3: It makes me feel that we might be quite lucky in Auckland. I have the feeling that we're doing all right with the infrastructure. We've got that big wastewater thing. I saw the images of that. It looked like a sub-waste. I mean, we've done some good investing, but there are some councils around the country who I feel sorry for their ratepayers. And, of course, those councils who want to make big rate rises to catch up for the fact that previous iterations of councils have been bloody useless.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think just we've got Wayne Brown, who just is a hard-nosed sort of politician, isn't he? He just says, do this and this. He's a grumpy old curmudgeon as well. He is a grumpy guy. He's sort of a lovable guy. Yeah, exactly. But he's just a hard-nosed guy who knows how to get the job done. But more point, another botch up with the wrong people running. I mean, and that's one scale. I'll stress the point that you've made is that we get the wrong people in these positions who are uneducated, don't know what they're doing, and there should be like educated people that should be in those roles, right? I'm sure there's plenty of degrees there. Lots of degrees, but no practical. How to dig a hole. That's Luke Dallow. He's on the interviewing panel. It's like, okay, we've seen your degree.
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Speaker 3: Now here's a shovel. There's a bit of turf over there. I want you to dig me a three by three foot hole by three.
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Speaker 4: It's across the board, though. No one seems to take any responsibility for this. I mean, it's the same in the government. Every government blames the last one for everything. At some stage, somebody, you know, Harry Truman, the US president, had a sign on his desk that said, the buck stops here. Where does the buck stop? It just keeps going round and round and round.
00:11:26
Speaker 2: Actually, that'd be a good cartoon if you were a political cartoonist.
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Speaker 3: You'd have the Truman era, the buck stops here, and then you'd have some sort of council, the buck stops here, and it'd be a dart flying around the room.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, our slogan's more, get the buck out of here.
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Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, that was so close to me thinking you were going to be naughty.
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Speaker 4: He's a long way from that other letter.
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Speaker 3: Oh, boy, poor old Locke, my producer there. He's thinking, what do we do with Chrysler? We have to send him out in a straitjacket. Anyway, hey, look, speaking of politics, well, this will tie in. I'll go straight to you on this one, Mark. So Nationals being accused of making false claims about Labour's planned taxes. they're saying they're planning to introduce nine taxes. Anyway, it's attack ad time.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: The attack ads won't work for me from whichever side because despite the job I'm doing where we have Politics Central tomorrow and we do the– as a punter, I've sort of tuned out. I tune in for the issues as they roll each weekend from a job. But I couldn't give a toss about attack ads. It's just trash talk. The absence or presence of them means, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: It's the frequency of the message, I think. So it's actually reached absolutely ludicrous levels. I heard Simeon Brown being asked the other day about the prime minister using two planes to go up to Pilau for the conference. And he said, people don't care about that. They care about the number of taxes that Labour's going to be pointing at. So you could ask them what the weather's going to be like, and he's going to say, people don't care about the weather. They worry about how much tax they're going to pay. So it's got slightly ridiculous. But it's just, you know, if you repeat something enough, Donald Trump has taught us that, even if it's right or wrong, people will start to believe it. Actually, Goebbels taught us that.
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Speaker 2: Oh, bloody hell. It's going back there. That's true.
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Speaker 4: That's an actual minister of propaganda. What's the law?
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Speaker 3: The longer a conversation goes, the longer a debate goes, the higher the probabilities that someone's going to mention the Nazis.
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Speaker 2: And you got there pretty quick, Mark. Yeah, I got there pretty quick. Aim for the top. 19 minutes.
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Speaker 3: I had the wind behind me, though. Well, no, I think we're only being talked about.
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Speaker 2: Anyway... Luke Dallow, you look like you're drawing a blank. It's just all trash advertising and so forth. It's airtime for the politicians. They'll find anything. There's bigger airtime issues that the politicians need to get on air. But, hey, look, it's just trash talk.
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Speaker 3: Look, actually, I am looking forward to debate time for politics. Actually, the one thing I've never done is I've never, ever gone to a local constituency meeting And I still might never, but I'm intending to go and see, in Tāmaki, my electorate, I still want to go and see the new candidates.
00:14:18
Speaker 2: Because I just want to go.
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Speaker 3: Along and sort of be in the hall as they answer questions and see who I'm impressed by.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well worthwhile.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the candidate who's replacing Brooke Van Velden is James Christmas.
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Speaker 2: You've just got to. Who I've met. Great name, isn't it? Great name.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: Christmas is coming. And, you know, I mean, it's not far around the corner. There's got to be some sort of electoral tie in there.
00:14:40
Speaker 2: Anyway, no, maybe not. But, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And the new national guy, Mahesh Muralidhar. And I don't know who the other candidates are, actually.
00:14:50
Speaker 2: The national guy is lovely. I've met him once before. He ran for Auckland last time.
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Speaker 4: Auckland Central, wasn't he, last time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Auckland Central last time. He was fantastic. But Candice, I've met today, too.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just going to look, I just want to look forward to, I'm looking forward to just, I wonder if people are going to be more inclined to do that. Cause I would say as far as just a community event, if you do see there's going to be a debate with the candidates or something, just get along with there and face to face, have a cup of coffee and, you know, shortbread or something and, and, and.
00:15:15
Speaker 2: Watch the debate.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you don't want to be just watching that stuff rolling in through your phone. No, it's good to be in a room and it's good to ask them questions and humanize them and, and, and challenge them and find out what they've got to say, you know?
00:15:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I saw Candice today face-to-face. Candice who? Candice, the electric for Auckland.
00:15:33
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Candice, I don't know her surname.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.
00:15:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's from Texas. She's from Texas. Yeah, she's from Texas. She's shouting her name at the radio right now. She's listening. She's actually a polo team or something like that. Yeah, but a lovely person. And some horses.
00:15:48
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:15:48
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Came from an open home today. She's lovely. Cool. Oh, well, good.
00:15:53
Speaker 3: People, look, if you learn anything from this show, it's maybe to reflect on the fact it could be worth popping along to see your local debate. Anyway, I'm just distracted by a call that's come in from someone who works at the station who might be calling to tell us something interesting, but never mind.
00:16:12
Speaker 2: Right, okay.
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Speaker 3: Let's move on, shall we? Actually, no, I tell you what, we'll go to the break. We'll be back in just a moment, Newstalk ZB. Yes, welcome back to my panel with Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. Now, moving on, we're sticking with the politics for a I'm not sure what to make of this one because I'm a bit Bob each way.
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Speaker 2: So act is to stop road.
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Speaker 3: Funding going towards public art to protect maintenance money. So they don't want public art being funded from transport budgets and they want to ensure that money earmarked for road maintenance isn't raided to pay for new projects. I think an example, you know, when there's a new freeway, the Hamilton Free Waikato Expressway, there's a sort of sculpture there. And I've got to say, I don't mind it because it doesn't seem like a lot of money.
00:17:02
Speaker 2: And so, but I sort of think, well, if.
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Speaker 3: We can't pay to fix the potholes, maybe that money. But there's a beautiful, you know, there's something about a bit of a, there's a, well, gateway to, you know, the Northland or to Waikato.
00:17:14
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the hill I'd die on, but Luke. I love it. You love what? I love the art. I love the art. I love going up north and seeing the art of the new motorway. I just, I find it quite refreshing, you know, and I think they've done it really well with all these new motorways.
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Speaker 3: I think Mark's surprised at you. I think Mark's going, I wasn't expecting that.
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking this is going to be really boring because I think all three of us agree.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I was, I was waiting for you to nudge me in one direction, but I, it's just in the scheme of hundreds and billions, I mean, it's a lot of money for a sculpture, 600,000, but In the scheme of a new.
00:17:51
Speaker 2: It's going to last a while. It's probably about a metre of road, is it? But my point is I think they should hold it for a period of time till we get the road sorted and then restart it up again or get some private people to pay for it. But definitely we've got issues with the roads. I want the art to continue, but I think we just need to pause it. It's a lot of money.
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Speaker 4: Also, it's a brutally ugly thing. Well, they can be brutally ugly things, motorways, and if there's some way you can change that up or into... introduce a bit of sort of regional flair or something. You know, when you're a kid going in a car, when you see those things, that's something that you always remember or somewhere that you went, you know, and I agree. I mean, I think, you know, okay, you could pay, I think that sculpture you're talking about is around $ 600, 000. Is that right?
00:18:38
Speaker 2: There's another one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one I read about, but there's, they're pointed towards 3.7 million being spent on 35,000 Poe, which are carved wooden posts.
00:18:48
Speaker 4: Sounds like pretty good value to me, actually.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's probably not bad money for a post, to be honest, but.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a bit more than a post.
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Speaker 2: I know. I was deliberately being a little bit naughty.
00:19:00
Speaker 4: Your six-year-old could do that? Is that what you're going to say? But I think you would understand with art, too, Tim, that art doesn't always have a dollar value, right? No. I think too often in this country, it's easy to say this, you know, when I'm not paying for it all indirectly, I am via my taxes, but I mean, I think quite often we put a dollar value on everything, and art is just one of those things that if it's good, it'll move you in some way. And so, you know, that I think is worth investing in as a country. But also you like planting a tree, a one-tree hill, and then it goes away type thing. But I think art is a big thing, and I think, oh, continue on with it.
00:19:36
Speaker 2: Get on with it.
00:19:37
Speaker 4: Keep it on.
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Speaker 3: Actually, what reminds me of some of the more famous sculptures that you get around New Zealand, is it Rakaia that's got the trout or– Salmon.
00:19:47
Speaker 4: Salmon. Yeah. And actually there was a bit of a fruit, the big Kiwi fruit.
00:19:51
Speaker 2: Where would crumb will be with that? I wonder what they spent.
00:19:53
Speaker 4: Oh, don't forget the big carrot.
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Speaker 2: Alpacuni.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: LMP.
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Speaker 4: LMP.
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Speaker 2: What is that? A town called Lemon. Actually, it would be... Oh, look at these guys. We're very good together. We're going to take this on the road. Drive past all the sculptures.
00:20:11
Speaker 3: If the cameras were on, look, you probably heard there was a bit of a high five. They were doing a high five. They're so pleased with themselves. Actually, what would be interesting would be to see what some of the sort of council sculptures cost. I wonder what the fruit and crumb will cost to maintain.
00:20:29
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know. That's an interesting point.
00:20:31
Speaker 2: Just get a water blast on it.
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Speaker 4: But I guess one thing with those.
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Speaker 5: Sorts of places. A bit of a water blast. A bit of paint. It gives a town an identity. It's something that you remember. So there's a value in that in terms of property and commerce and bringing people there, using it.
00:20:52
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:20:52
Speaker 2: Well, it's marketing as well, though. Yeah. The Japanese taking photos in front of the lemon and pyrrole bottle.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:20:59
Speaker 3: So we're okay with it. Not the hill to die on with the money.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: For the sculptors.
00:21:03
Speaker 3: Although you would bob each way there, Luke, because you said, I'll not spend it straight away. If you don't spend it now, you never will. If you say, we'll put the sculpture up later before you know it, that money, sorry, that's been gone to, you know, we're fixing this pothole down the road.
00:21:14
Speaker 2: Well, you just get an old sculpture out of the back of the garden and put it up here, you know. Put something there, but just pause it. Or boot bath. Magnificent.
00:21:23
Speaker 4: Put an I-O-U.
00:21:26
Speaker 2: Well, that would be a political sort of statement, wouldn't it? Yeah. Now, the real estate agent, the, hang on a second. Actually, what will, and anyway, you do it yourself. You do it before. What am I doing? The real estate agent.
00:21:53
Speaker 4: What am I doing? About the woman who lost her... Possibly she refused to compete her Maori tikanga course and arguing it was largely irrelevant to her work, politically biased and conflicted with her Christian beliefs, and she failed in her bid for exemption. Tim, I'll start you on this.
00:22:12
Speaker 2: No, no. I'll start. She's an absolute carrot. Hey, look, I'm in real estate. I've got to do the courses. It was actually not bad, and all the real estate agents out there, some of them are not born in New Zealand, and it's good to know what our tikanga is. But have I used it in real estate?
00:22:30
Speaker 3: No.
00:22:31
Speaker 2: But I did learn a little bit, and I think it's good for the real estate agents at that time. So I think she's a Karen, and get rid of her.
00:22:39
Speaker 4: I would say if it's part of getting your real estate license, then that's the rules.
00:22:46
Speaker 2: That's the rule.
00:22:46
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, don't try and take it. It reminds me of those people who refused to sell a wedding cake to a couple of lesbians in the States because just their very being, you know, went against their Christian beliefs. So I think, you know, if these are the rules.
00:23:05
Speaker 2: They're the rules. Just do it. Yeah.
00:23:07
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is to me, sorry, I had all my papers muddled up there. I mean, it's, The idea that you have to pass in for something, in that when you're a broad, when you're an agency dealing with this sort of stuff, I mean, I must admit, the fact that you've got to go through it seemed all a little bit.
00:23:25
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, but it was only half a minute or an hour and a half.
00:23:30
Speaker 3: I just couldn't get into why you'd make this the sort of, you know, do it or don't do it.
00:23:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, just get into it. We all had to do it. Yes, there were some people in the office that didn't want to do it, but hey, look, just get on with it. It's your licence. It's part of your job.
00:23:42
Speaker 3: Education i mean to be honest have an open mind it shouldn't actually be what's going what i'm on her side with is really it's irrelevant what i mean if you want to be a real estate agent and you want to hang whatever your office is stuff to do with race race i think is totally irrelevant i sort of am on her side but it's just more than.
00:24:01
Speaker 4: Just race it's it's culture it's you know there may be Areas I don't know where you go to sell a house that may be in an even area or something like that. Yeah, but I mean then– I'm just saying there's a counter-argument to that.
00:24:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then again you wouldn't– if you're not cut out to sell to that part of the market, just don't do it.
00:24:20
Speaker 2: Pass it on to someone else. It wasn't about selling to the market. It was just more education about Murraydon. Okay. That was all what it was. And Tim, to your right, I've never used it. 99% of the agents haven't used it. Hmm.
00:24:32
Speaker 4: I often find that people complain about these things and when they actually do them, they actually, it opens up a whole new world to them, which they didn't know existed. And so I think it's probably a good thing for all New Zealanders to understand the cultures that they live around.
00:24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:24:48
Speaker 4: I can't see how you could argue against that.
00:24:50
Speaker 3: I've got to say that I wouldn't be losing my job over this over an hour and a half, you know, just put up with it and move on. But, you know, that's... It's the way she's wanted to do it. So I have some sympathy for her, but it's just not the fight I would have. Anyway, I tell you what, shall we make a little bit of a break and.
00:25:09
Speaker 2: We'll just come in.
00:25:10
Speaker 4: We need to switch you on and off again, Tim.
00:25:12
Speaker 2: What's that?
00:25:13
Speaker 4: You're stuttering a bit with your papers and everything.
00:25:15
Speaker 2: I know, sorry, I just got a bit lost on something. Reboot you. We'll be back in just a moment.
00:25:18
Speaker 4: We're just rebooting Tim.
00:25:20
Speaker 2: We're rebooting me.
00:25:21
Speaker 3: It's 25 minutes to four, Newstalk ZB. Newstalk ZB, welcome back. My guests are Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. Now, guys, talking about, this is an interesting one about the alcohol side of things, that young people aren't drinking anything like they used to, and so alcohol intake is at record lows.
00:25:39
Speaker 4: So me and Luke are making up for that, though, aren't we, Luke?
00:25:42
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, yes, we are.
00:25:43
Speaker 4: We're doing our bit for our country's liquor industry.
00:25:46
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't really surprise me.
00:25:49
Speaker 3: I went for a walk this morning with my daughter, who's not of drinking age or anything, but she was talking about how much information they're getting about alcohol. When I was growing up, we had no information that it was either you drank in moderation or you drank and you got drunk and that wasn't good.
00:26:04
Speaker 2: That was about it.
00:26:04
Speaker 3: Whereas these days, I mean, now kids are having lessens in the dangers of alcohol. They're less inclined to drink. Of course, we've got a problem with drugs as, you know, we haven't resolved that. But what's your take on it all? People drinking less? Are we just drinking smarter? What do you think's changed?
00:26:22
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, you know, I've been in the industry for 27 years. And I've seen from when I started back in the early 90s to now, early 90s, people were rolling out the door drunk at a pubs. You know, it was just a different culture back then. And then it started to get a little bit tighter with red tape, with intoxication and so forth. And then now it's just, I think that our social sort of responses that we're changing with the young demographic are more healthy, less drinking, but also there's a demographic of our immigration as well, which is... You've got the Chinese, you've got the Indians, you've got the Polynesians that don't drink so much like us. So, therefore, we've got a lot of, I don't know, a lot of hospitality people are still struggling out there because they're not getting the numbers through.
00:27:12
Speaker 4: I remember a few years ago hanging out with the cops on a Friday night, just around, you know, through the night, basically, and it was an absolute zoo. And the amount of money wasted there, on police time, just picking up drunk idiots who are drunk to excess was, it was just insane. And I think it's a sign of us growing up a little bit as a country as well. If you go to Europe, mainland Europe, not the UK, you won't see that there either, that people drink in moderation, they drink with meals, they drink to enjoy it rather than to get intoxicated. So I think maybe we're growing up a little bit, but I think all those other reasons too. But Plus, on top of it, it's really expensive. Like, go to a bar I went out last Saturday night and just buying a few drinks and stuff. I was like, is that really where I want my tight funds to go? You know, so you have to think about it.
00:28:09
Speaker 3: So have you changed your drinking habits in the.
00:28:11
Speaker 2: Last few years?
00:28:12
Speaker 4: I don't drink that much. Occasionally, like, I don't mind a drop of whiskey, you know, a couple of times a week. But I could probably go for months without drinking quite comfortably.
00:28:20
Speaker 2: I drink when I cook. Yeah. And also I drink.
00:28:23
Speaker 4: You don't get those two mixed up.
00:28:24
Speaker 2: I cook when I drink. I cook with a drink. And also I drink with a few mates on a Tuesday because it's just catching up. But we drink to enjoy. Yeah. And to comradeship. And I think the culture of drinking has totally changed. And like you say, it's expensive.
00:28:41
Speaker 3: I also think that the craft beer industry has changed a lot of New Zealanders' attitudes towards beer drinking. Apparently beer is still the thing we drink the most of. But I like that it's no longer about getting a dozen and getting as many down.
00:28:55
Speaker 4: We still have crate day. Oh, yeah.
00:29:00
Speaker 3: We still have people who drink to success, but I think that that has influenced people's attitudes towards beer.
00:29:08
Speaker 4: What's also, I think, changed with us is we used to drink to time limits. Obviously, there was a six o'clock swell, so And then later, I mean, when I was growing up, the pubs were probably only open until about 10, I think. You get a late license, might go later. So people drank really fast. They only had a certain amount of time. And I think this is possibly a maturing. Another thing, I was talking to a wine seller recently, and he was saying how much their wine sales are down, particularly to the States and things. And that's because weed is legal in a lot of states. So people are finding other ways to get intoxicated. There's a lot more um drugs around i think like that's the difference and stuff like that.
00:29:47
Speaker 3: That's the thing i don't i don't relate to and i'm just a bit of a square perhaps but if i have a glass of wine or beer i do it because i like the taste and the sensation i i'm not interested in the feeling boozed you know what you're talking about well no i don't know i like the But you see, if you're having a joint, you're not smoking a joint because you like the taste of smoke. You're smoking it because you want to get high. I don't drink to get high. I drink because I like the taste of whiskey, red wine, whatever.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: But it's the young people. Yeah. The young people are into the drugs, you could say, into RTDs and so forth. And that's it. And they're into fitness and well-being. So we've changed. I mean, we're probably still doing what we used to do. Let's just have a glass of wine. I was always a cheap drunk anyway.
00:30:35
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you never brought me around.
00:30:39
Speaker 2: You're right. We haven't had a drink together.
00:30:41
Speaker 3: I'm still waiting for the invitation to Chrysler's place.
00:30:45
Speaker 2: I'm expensive. Yeah, we won't be inviting you.
00:30:50
Speaker 4: No, it's interesting. And also, I think, like, if you look at it dispassionately, and they're learning at school, obviously, Luke, alcohol is not good for you.
00:30:58
Speaker 2: It's not good. My son says to me, Dad, Don't drink so much now, you know, which is interesting. And he's an 18-year-old. Do you need that wine, Dad?
00:31:06
Speaker 4: Really?
00:31:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite interesting. And I take that, I think about it. Do I? And then whack, back it goes. When he goes upstairs, it's gone.
00:31:17
Speaker 4: Where'd that go?
00:31:18
Speaker 2: Look over there.
00:31:18
Speaker 4: God, it's radio.
00:31:23
Speaker 2: Hey, now, this netball thing, eh?
00:31:26
Speaker 3: Netball New Zealand are hoping that, well, they've got the support of Mowbray and Williams to get the league going here, and they're hoping it'll lure the Silver Ferns back.
00:31:37
Speaker 2: I think, you know what? Good on them.
00:31:40
Speaker 3: Anna Mowbray and Ali Williams. They've got a bit of money. They're going to spend money on it. And I sort of think that, you know, we know the Mowbrays have made a hell of a lot of money through their business endeavours. I actually just think what a great thing for them to spend some of it on.
00:31:53
Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
00:31:53
Speaker 2: I just think fantastic.
00:31:55
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, it's a reality that, you know, we need private money to support this massive participant spawn.
00:32:03
Speaker 2: It's massive.
00:32:04
Speaker 4: Like my daughter plays netball or the season's just ended, actually. The amount of people involved, you know, parents helping. It's such a good community thing. You're getting them out there. Oh, my God, it's incredibly good for their resilience. They throw them out there in the most insane weather, and they just run up and down those wet, windy courts.
00:32:22
Speaker 3: Oh, we've been lucky. The night my daughters have been playing, we've been quite lucky that they never really had any horrendous nights, whereas the year before, it was just rain.
00:32:32
Speaker 2: All the time. They never cancel netball, do they?
00:32:34
Speaker 4: No, they don't.
00:32:35
Speaker 2: That windy place at Mount Wellington, oh.
00:32:38
Speaker 3: Oh, when there's a bit of lightning, they do. In fact, I think there are a few teams that just agreed, it's like, let's just call it quits and, you know.
00:32:45
Speaker 4: But I think supporting sport is such a good thing to do. It's aspirational, but it teaches lots of good values for kids. You know, it's teamwork, it's helping out your mates, it's all those kind of things. And if these guys are giving some of their money to help it out and let's, you know, let's be real here, it's been in real dire straits. So, I mean, this feels like a good, wholesome thing to be doing.
00:33:09
Speaker 3: It's such a shame because I think it is, unless I've got this wrong, I did a bit of research during the week on this, I think it's the largest participant sport in New Zealand.
00:33:16
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
00:33:16
Speaker 3: And the fact that we can't get it together, I don't know.
00:33:22
Speaker 4: Be that or football.
00:33:23
Speaker 2: Well, it's nipple and football. But I tip my hat off to Mo Brand and Williams. I mean, they're great people, but let's be realistic here. They want to get a return on their money, but they're giving them a hand up, and they will actually help put in those those although.
00:33:37
Speaker 3: She knows she knows it's going to be she did acknowledge it's going to be a while before you see any money so they're obviously they've got two they want to make money but they want to support the game.
00:33:47
Speaker 4: Yeah i mean i think good on them but i still don't think they should have that helicopter pad oh i'd love that idea are they your neighbors you're not neighbor though are you a neighbor no no no we're down the road we're in the same hood man yeah but i'd love to see the helicopter on that pad that's my opinion Hey, but I do see them.
00:34:05
Speaker 2: Amalgamating with Australia too in the bigger picture, in the bigger scheme of things. And that's where Mowbray and Williams will be thinking about the bigger game.
00:34:12
Speaker 4: It makes real sense. Like the sports that have done it, obviously you've got the Waratahs, the Breakers, Auckland FC, Wellington Phoenix, those sorts of competitions. It opens us up. It makes us sharper. And it's really aspirational for young kids.
00:34:28
Speaker 3: So what sports did you, what winter sports did you guys do when you were growing up?
00:34:32
Speaker 2: I was rugby, winter sports. I was rugby and soccer and football. And soccer.
00:34:36
Speaker 3: Rugby and soccer.
00:34:38
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:34:38
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I was a very athletic person. Yeah, what happened?
00:34:42
Speaker 5: Oh.
00:34:42
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. When I turned 18, I found alcohol. I found alcohol. And cooking. We used to be rugby, racing and beer.
00:34:53
Speaker 4: I was rugby and basketball and surfing. I just surfed all the time through winter and summer.
00:34:58
Speaker 2: You're a cool dude. Yeah.
00:34:59
Speaker 4: Are you still surf now? I have two surfboards, but that says I don't surf that much. Look, if I get the opportunity and I'm at a beach and I've got my surfboard.
00:35:08
Speaker 2: You've definitely got the wispy hair for a surfer. What, both of them?
00:35:15
Speaker 3: Hey, look, we're going to take a quick break. We're with Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. A couple more things to talk about. Oh, the Sky Sport scheduling error with Jai Arrow's 100th game walkout.
00:35:26
Speaker 2: That was the balls up there.
00:35:27
Speaker 3: And we might, if we've got time, talk about the appeal of Christchurch Bakery's Horse Meat Pies. We'll be back in just a moment. This is a Weekend Collective. It is 11 and.
00:35:36
Speaker 2: A half minutes to four. Yes, welcome back. We're with Luke Dallow and Mark Kreisel. I'm Tim Beveridge.
00:35:41
Speaker 3: Now, guys, I watched this footage of Sky Sport. They blame our scheduling error. I think there's been an interview. I think Jason Pine had an interview, and it was... Anyway, they played a gambling ad during Jai Arrow's 100th game walkout.
00:35:56
Speaker 2: Now, he's got a neuro... disease. I've suddenly got the wrong word.
00:36:01
Speaker 4: Motor neurone disease.
00:36:02
Speaker 2: Motor neurone disease.
00:36:03
Speaker 3: And I watched the clip where it shows, up to the point where it shows the gambling kicking in. But God, what an emotional sort of experience for everyone involved. You know, they changed the rules so he could take the field. And as soon as the whistle blew, they blew it. They would blow for a break so he could at least beat, you know, record 100 games. And the community feeling and the family and stuff. And I just sort of thought, In a tragic way, it reminds you how important people are in all these communities. And I just found it so amusing. But the fact that they interrupted it for whatever reason with a gambling ad. Well, people, if you didn't like it, stop gambling so they don't have to advertise.
00:36:42
Speaker 4: But anyway. Well, it wouldn't matter what they played, to be fair.
00:36:44
Speaker 2: Because unfortunately, it was a gambling ad.
00:36:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:36:47
Speaker 2: What did you make of it, though, Mark?
00:36:48
Speaker 4: Oh, look, it's horrible. I'm sure they feel sick about it. It's a horrible, horrible mistake. What I like about what Sky did is they've owned it. They've said, we screwed up, we're really sorry, and explained what happened. So I like to think that we all make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from them, but it's really important. Here's someone who's actually taking responsibility for something that happened, which is the opposite to the Wellington City Council. But it's probably, you.
00:37:19
Speaker 3: Know, it's also a symptom of is that probably, you know, everything, everyone who's in the world of media is operating on as thin a budget as you can have.
00:37:28
Speaker 4: Yep.
00:37:28
Speaker 3: And maybe if we went back 20 or 30 years ago, there would have been someone there to go, what are you doing?
00:37:35
Speaker 2: But there wasn't.
00:37:36
Speaker 3: There was a continuity person who had no briefing, pushed the button as instructed, and away we went.
00:37:41
Speaker 2: Luke? That person didn't push the button. I mean, just didn't read the room. I mean, that should have been right through. There's plenty of opportunities to put the betting on and after the fact as they're walking off the field or whatever. But what an emotional, I mean, that was a tearjerker and absolute tearjerker no matter who you were watching that, just that poor fellow. Yeah. 100 games and I really tipped my hat off to Wayne Bennett. Big hugs there. What a great guy that guy is as well. He instigated it all, made it happen, but Sky... Yeah, it's a blue, but you know what?
00:38:15
Speaker 3: I'd encourage, go onto the New Zealand Herald website, look for Sky Sports Schedule Era, but forget about the ad playing. Just watch the bit leading up to it and the emotion in that stadium.
00:38:25
Speaker 2: It's really quite moving. But Sky is professional. Really moving. You've got to be professional in your game. They should have read the room.
00:38:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:38:32
Speaker 3: Lucky last, I don't know where to go with this one. Christchurch Bakery... is debuting three new horse meat pie flavors.
00:38:42
Speaker 2: They've got mixed reviews.
00:38:43
Speaker 3: Obviously, there's plain horse and cheese and curried horse.
00:38:48
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I'm sorry. Off to the races? They're not horsing around. I couldn't eat it.
00:38:56
Speaker 3: I just don't know. I wouldn't want to eat horse. I'm a beef and lamb guy.
00:39:00
Speaker 2: That's it. And pork, maybe. It's a great meat. It's lean. It's tasty. It's tasty. That's fantastic.
00:39:06
Speaker 4: Where have you eaten it?
00:39:07
Speaker 2: In Europe, right throughout Europe. You've got France, Italy, Spain.
00:39:12
Speaker 4: So his question, would you eat dog?
00:39:15
Speaker 2: If I had to.
00:39:17
Speaker 4: If you had to, what do you mean? So why is that different to horse?
00:39:20
Speaker 2: I'd eat a cat. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
00:39:23
Speaker 4: I've got two in my place.
00:39:27
Speaker 2: But not a dog, I don't think. See, it's interesting.
00:39:31
Speaker 4: See, I think I imagine a lot of the opposition is because this is an animal that we love and cherish.
00:39:35
Speaker 2: Well, you couldn't munch on a Mr. Ed, could you? I don't know. Isn't it funny? The toddler loves it. It's an animal. It's meat, I guess.
00:39:46
Speaker 3: But it's funny what we can and can't eat. I could never eat duck because I could always just... No, I don't like duck because all I could picture was this sort of duck going, whack, whack.
00:39:53
Speaker 2: Hello, hello, hello.
00:39:54
Speaker 4: So what about snails and grasshoppers?
00:39:59
Speaker 2: Frogs like chicken. It's a beautiful frog. Frog is delicious. Divine.
00:40:04
Speaker 4: It's so snail, actually.
00:40:05
Speaker 2: It's garlic. Should we go in for lunch?
00:40:08
Speaker 4: Get amongst it, Tim.
00:40:09
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look at you. You're so eating. You'll eat anything that's going.
00:40:14
Speaker 4: Go on.
00:40:15
Speaker 2: We're athletes.
00:40:18
Speaker 4: And we're available.
00:40:19
Speaker 2: And you're available. Thanks so much, guys. That's Mark Kreisel and Luke Dallow. But don't forget to listen back after 6 o'clock.
00:40:28
Speaker 3: And if you did miss any of this, I think you'll find it's worth revisiting. Anyway, we'll be back next with the One Roof Radio show. Peter Norris from AuPair's Partners talking about the cash rate, mortgages, all that stuff.
00:40:39
Speaker 2: Back in a moment, Newstalk ZB.
00:40:41
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