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we all saw that video of Alexander Kaja Cortez a few weeks ago. She was sitting
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out with ABC's Jonathan Carl and she had that sheepish grin with the chicklet
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teeth and out comes the line. Well, one was crazy. Now that interview has garnered
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a lot of attention and she says that she was quoting city councilman Chai Osei.
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And you know, it might be the shortest post-mortem in Hollywood history because
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you know, once daily wire critic Christian Toto wrote a piece this last
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weekend, I wanted to examine with you for a few minutes. He used that quote to
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revisit an era when studios used to treat political fashion like it was a
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production requirement. And his prize exhibit was the 2025 Rachel Ziegler film
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Snow White, which he says lost reported $170 million for the studio and to
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everyone who hates when I win the winged victory came to the Louvre in pieces and
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people still line up to see her and I can only hope that despite my flaws and
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despite my cracks and my breaks and there are many of them, that at every
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premiere and everything I do, people will wait in line to see. Well, they didn't do
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it. So, you know, the studio could say whatever they want. The, you know, Rachel
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Ziegler could take any political position she wants a free country. And
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then, of course, the audience can also keep its wallet closed, which they did.
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Nobody owes a billion-dollar company two hours of attention like it's our civic
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duty. So Holly Holly like it's our civic duty. Hollywood used to understand desire
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so well that Marilyn Monroe's seven-year itch dress drew a three point seven
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million dollar bid in 2011 and end up costing more than four point five
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million dollars when the fees were all paid. People used to really appreciate
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old grammar. When you look up Rachel Ziegler like I did this morning to try
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and find some clips for you. Well, do you think I'm not going to show you the
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photos because they're quite scandalous, but I don't know that anybody would pay
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four point five million dollars for Rachel Ziegler's bikini. I say that
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knowing full well that people pay for like farts in a jar and bathwater and
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all kinds of gross stuff. So I don't want to start your morning that kind of
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content, but but to people do pay for some weird stuff. Highly, highly doubt
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that people are gonna pay that kind of money for something from Rachel Ziegler.
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Ziegler, please. Yeah, they're gonna but they're gonna feel bad if you don't like
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their gold gilded turd. Exactly, Rick. Good morning. The Hollywood Sinai even
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began as Hollywood land in 1923. It was an actually an advertisement for homes
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before the last four letters disappeared during a 1940s refurbishment, which just
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goes to show the town has always been selling something. It's not about whether
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they're selling something. The fight over whether is it is selling stories that we
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want to buy or are they just selling moral permission slips. Now there was an
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indie star opinion column that came out that that argued that Donald Trump's
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2024 reelection effectively ended woke 1.0, which I definitely don't agree with.
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The columnist political judgment was that Donald Trump ended DEI and that woke,
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that was the end of woke 1.0. Now we're in woke 2.0. I don't necessarily agree
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with this timeline because you know the cultural gatekeepers frequently confuse
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applause inside their own buildings with demand outside of it. I don't get the
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impression that many people have really truly learned their lessons and 2024
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might be an inflection point, but it's certainly not the end. They're just
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reshaping it. You could see this in corporations across the country where
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they're just repackaging DEI initiatives and giving them another name.
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Rebuilding trust in Hollywood is going to take more than just one or two good
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movies. It's going to take time. You know woke 1.0 in my opinion peaked in 2020
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after George Floyd died out of after a fentanyl overdose in Minneapolis. So the
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Daily Wire article says that Black Lives Matter spiked that year and you know I
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think that people were demanding accountability for police and they got
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it with badge cameras and now the left is out there arguing that they wish they
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had never put badge cameras on this police because it showed that the police
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often are acting in the best interests of the community and putting down some
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dangerous criminals who we would have never known if they weren't wearing the
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product cameras. Charlie Kirk was shot in 2025 that was still woke 1.0 exactly
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ill ratio. Jimmy Fallon faced what Christian Toto called a woke struggle
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session on his own show in 2020. Some of you might have forgotten there was a 20
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20 year old clip that resurfaced of Fallon using black makeup to imitate
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Chris Rock. So struggle session is what Christian Toto described it at but I
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think the Liberty issue is whether public criticism seeks an explanation or
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is it a ritual confession you know one invites speech but the others makes fear
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the executive producer. I think Christian Toto who wrote this great piece I highly
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recommend it over at the Daily Wire he nails the bigger broader picture but the
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timeline I could say is in dispute. He called Olivia Wilde's 2019 directorial
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debut book smart a candidate for the most overtly woke comedy types capsule so
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you know comedy dies when the audience can see a lesson plan before the whole
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setup of a joke right if we have to feel like we're going to watch a movie or even
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playing a video game people are talking about the new Grand Theft Auto trailer
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where it feels everything the ideology is bolted on to the script and it's it's
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supposed to be escapism but there's no escape we don't get to get away from the
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same moral lectures that we experience in real life and then it's not really
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entertainment. Snow White with Rachel Ziegler losing 170 million dollars is
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probably a painful lesson for Disney but it's not the end. I do think that brand
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loyalty for Disney can overcome these things which is unfortunate because it
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takes a lot of pressure for corporations to change their to change their views
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and to change the way that they do things. Woke 1.0 I think people though the left
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says was like a needed correction but what it really seems like to me is a
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deflection like a way to get away from the risk a way to evade responsibility
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for the behavior of the left during this time period. If you're just tuning in to
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white people at Louis Armstrong no not Louis Armstrong New Orleans International
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Airport last week ice agents arrested Milo Yiannopoulos a British commentator
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spent years in American conservative politics by Friday the DHS said he had
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been deported to the Islamic Kingdom of Britain
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Yiannopoulos legally under the United States through New York City on May 14th
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2019 according to news reports DHS says that he overstayed failed appear for an
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immigration hearing and then received final removal order on July the 22nd now
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we're all talking about what internet fame will mean if you overstay your visa
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Yiannopoulos had publicly supported President Trump's immigration crackdown
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last summer that he put he posted we've got to deport millions and millions and
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millions of people well wasted by his own retard by then of course his career
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had moved from a conservative celebrity superstar to an internship with Marjorie
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Taylor Greene yes Marjorie Taylor Greene hiring a
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legal aliens he also worked for yay aka Kanye West short-lived presidential
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campaign in 2017 he took a self-named troll Academy tour across college
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campuses but in a podcast in 2025 he turned on Trump called the president
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bot paid owned and operated over Israel now sees that he had praised of course
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now form the backdrop to his own removal DHS cited his immigration status and
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missed hearing as the legal basis for why he was kicked out of the country now
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the question is of course should political alliance or opposition affect
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immigration enforcement what records shows that notices that hearing
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requirements and removal procedures were followed we're gonna dissect that with
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Tom pappard in a little bit more detail this morning at 8 30 a.m. now the DHS
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made public statements that answered the timeline question but the question about
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his original entry terms including whether he had a visa are unanswered
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Yiannopoulos is public speech explains the attention around the case the stated
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government grounds are that he allegedly overstayed failure failed to appear for
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court and then had a final removal order now if you followed conservative
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politics ten years ago you couldn't avoid Milo Yiannopoulos he was a brilliant
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writer for Breitbart which now his old colleague Rahim Kasam an old friend of
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mine is alleging that he didn't even write many of his pieces nonetheless
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Milo was everywhere he was doing college campus road shows he was a free speech
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lightning rod he was one of the first people on the right to understand how
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the internet had completely changed politics and he was also one of the very
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first people to ever explain the biology if you will or the anatomy excuse me of
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what the alt-right was before it became what it is today he was frequently
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reckless and he was always impossible to ignore because his antics would always
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make headlines Milo would arrive at events wearing designer clothes pearls
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he had a mystery of his grin he called Donald Trump daddy which drove the left
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insane he was openly gay aggressively Catholic hostile to them feminism
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critical of Islam and delighted by the fact that the left couldn't fit him into
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one of their preferred identity politics boxes that's why he broke out on the
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right and he didn't merely survive outrage he turned outrage into the
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product that he was selling and everybody was done it was buying this
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now on August 27th Milo's American story ended in a very different way it wasn't
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on a college stage it wasn't a CPAC it wasn't at the Breitbart offices it was
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with the immigrations and customs enforcement that took him into custody
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at Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport by the next day
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the Department of Homeland Security said that he had been deported to the Islamic
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caliphate of the UK now the DHS says that Milo leaked he entered the United
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States on May 14th 2019 according to that department he remained in the
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country after his authorized stay expired then failed to appear for an
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immigration hearing and then received a final removal order from an immigration
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judge this past July 22nd ice arrested him at the New Orleans Airport on August
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27th and removed him from the country the next day Milo reported tweeted
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yesterday that he was it from the UK about an advertisement that he got for
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some kind of New Orleans chicken cheeseburger or Milo of course the irony
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is obvious on all this as Milo was a big enthusiastic supporter of Trump's mass
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deportation program last summer he wrote we've got to deport millions and
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millions and millions of people so he argued that without mass deportation
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nothing else in American politics would matter he also called for ice checkpoints
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of places such as supermarkets and broad legal protections for immigration agents
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then on an appearance with Joe Rogan he reportedly stated that he's talking
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about all of the that when he was talking about who needs to be mass
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deported he didn't mean beautiful blonde gay British immigrants and the other
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types of immigrants and Colter famous mass deportation fan is also speaking
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out against this fascinating so now the immigration system that he chaired is
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being used to remove him there of course there's this undeniable live by the sword
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die by the sword moment here Milo demanded that the government apply the
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law ruthlessly and then the government applied it to Milo but I don't think the
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irony is really the end of the analysis on this one because supporting
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immigration enforcement of course should not strip a person of their right to do
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process it doesn't make every government claim automatically true and it
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certainly does not make selective or politically motivated enforcement
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acceptable I have reached out to Laura Loomer to book her on this show and I'm
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told that she will be joining us a little bit later week so we'll hear
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straight from her mouth because she claims that she is the one added Milo
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out and got him deported so we still need to know what type of visa or entry
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authorization Mila Mila Milo received in 2019 when that expired and how and
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when he was notified about his immigration hearing because you know
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why did he fail to appear right big if he the facts here are material to the
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case the Associated Press asked the Department of Homeland Security about
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these original terms and the DHS hasn't provided answer yet so that means that
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doesn't mean that the government's account is false but it does mean the
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public you know we've just gotten a press release and we don't have the
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complete case file so it's hard for me to be able to do anything other than
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mostly speculate here which I'll try not to do rampantly but you know there is a
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difference between saying DHS has identified a legal basis for removal and
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then saying that they've answered every reasonable question about how this case
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was hands and was handled because if it was politically motivated and I think
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there are some questions there because of the speed of this Mila was arrested on
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Thursday and deported on Friday you know many people caught in the immigration
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system will spend weeks and months or even longer in detention but Tom Holman
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the borders are denied that Mila received preferential treatment to get
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out of the country Holman said that the final removal order was already in
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place so ice was able to execute it quickly and that's why he was out of the
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country so fast so you know that might be a perfectly legitimate explanation if
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someone has exhausted the price of the process if they have a final order then
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they can be returned to a friendly allied country that's ready to accept
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them but a rapid removal itself is not necessarily suspicious but when it
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involves a high-profile celebrity I think it's fair to ask whether an unknown
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immigrant with the same record would have been placed on a plane within 24
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hours because I think the political backstory of this makes that question
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important Milo is one of Trump's most colorful most enthusiastic supporters
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calling Trump daddy and he treated his 2016 victory as the triumph of the
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political style that Milo had been practicing online this wasn't just a
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victory for the United States this was a victory for Milo personally but the
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relationship and good feelings between them did not last Milo started breaking
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with Trump during his first term and then by 2020 he was saying that he had
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quote lost everything helping put Trump in office and then he promised to devote
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himself to this destruction of the Republican Party in 2025 Milo went on a
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podcast called Trump bought paid for owned and operated over the president's
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relationship with Israel now Laura loomer of course she's been in a long
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running and a very personal few Milo she publicly celebrated the arrest and
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claimed that she'd been calling for ice to arrest him and then accused him of
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inciting violence against Trump Loomers posts showed that some of Milo's
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political enemies wanted him removed but they don't prove that she caused the
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government to act however we will be hearing from her later on this week we'll
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get it directly from the horse's mouth Laura Loomer said that she'll join us a
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little probably on Thursday so we'll talk to her then now the department the
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DHS say that this was about an immigration overstay this is because he
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missed his hearing and he got a final removal order and you know we don't we
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don't want to invent evidence of political retaliation that we don't have
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we don't have that right now but I also think that we can't pretend that it is it
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isn't possible that political activists are successfully getting their rivals
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arrested and deported there is a possibility of that you know Milo's
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former support shouldn't save him from a lawful removal order his later
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opposition to Trump shouldn't necessarily make him a target I'll ask
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judge Napolitano about this case on Wednesday so I mean immigration law
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cannot become a weapon that competing conservative factions used to settle
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political scores right to understand the why this deportation feels like the
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final chapter of a much larger story you have to remember just how high Milo
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once rose before American politics Milo worked in British tech journalism and he
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co-founded an online publication called the Colonel now that business eventually
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collapsed but it showed a preview of a pattern that would follow him he would
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get rapid attention rapid expansion and then an explosive breakdown so this was
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very common Milo then joined Breitbart in 2014 he found his great political
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opportunity in gamergate the established media establishment media at
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the time presented gaberma gamergate almost exclusively like this was a
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campaign of misogynistic harassment of women in the video game industry but
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Milo argued that this was actually a revolt by gamers against a small
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ideologically uniform video game press that had become contemptuous of its own
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audience and I sided with Milo in that but whatever gamergate was or wasn't I
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think Milo recognized something very important before most Republicans or
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right-wingers or certainly myself did millions of young men felt culturally
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homeless they believed that the media despised them and they were right
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feminist activists blamed them for everything they canceled a rocket
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scientists a physicist for wearing a shirt with anime babes on it the
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traditional conservatives did not understand the world that young
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conservatives were growing up in and but Milo spoke directly to young
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conservatives and then he turned this fight over video game journalism into a
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preview of the political revolt that helped elect Donald Trump he was a
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seminal figure in this movement now you know the Breitbart placed
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Milo in charge of its technology section in 2015 and then he used that platform
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to attack political correctness he attacked feminism he attacked campus
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speech codes Silicon Valley censorship and the growing power of the online left
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then he wasn't a traditional policy intellectual which I think gave him the
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kind of freedom to act and behave in ways that people that from the Heritage
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his behavior was able to shake the narrative of the left and to destabilize
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the foundations that they had built which owned culture until Donald Trump
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came along a little bit later now his college tours were massive Milo would
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arrive on a progressive campus he would say something deliberately offensive he
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would wait for the activists to mob the building he would they would pull fire
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alarms to band his cancellation or they would require hundreds of thousands of
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dollars in security for him to speak there and the more hysterical that the
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left's response became to Milo the stronger that his free speech argument
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looked and everybody who supported Milo didn't necessarily agree with
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everything that he said I think people supported him because he was willing to
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enter places where conservative students felt intimidated and say that the campus
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left did not have the right to decide which political opinions could be heard
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thank him for that he was in many ways he was a hero people like me get upset
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about political correctness is that it kills is that it results in horrible
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things happening there's San Bernardino or Sandy Hook or whatever people said
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oh well we knew but we didn't go there we didn't say anything we didn't want to
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seem racist you know what's something rather them in the UK like 1400 young
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girls were raped and over 10 years and the government report said that the
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reason nobody reported on this the reason nobody did anything about it is
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that the police and the authorities were scared of seeming Islamophobic because
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those 1400 girls were all raped by Pakistani rape gangs that is an example
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of political correctness that with victims you know with real world
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consequences that's you know the serious end of political correctness that's the
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real end aside from the memes and the jokes and the meanness on Twitter that's
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the kind of stuff that I really object to and that's the kind of stuff I think
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that a lot of Trump voters don't like the reason that people like me get upset
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about critical query yeah well done was 2016 that same year Twitter permanently
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suspended Milo following his public food feud with actress Leslie Jones over the
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Ghostbusters reboot reboot excuse me Twitter accused him of participating in
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targeted abuse Milo argued that he was being held responsible for things that
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other users were saying and that the platform was using this celebrity
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controversy as an excuse to eliminate a prominent conservative voice which I
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completely agree with I think that the important political story in this one
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was not that you know a wealthy Hollywood actress saw cruel comments on
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the internet you know famous people have always been mocked and insulted and
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reviewed harshly but the important story was that a technology company claiming
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to operate a neutral public platform had the power to erase a major right-wing
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political commentator from the national conversation it was what really I mean I
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had no offense to Milo but I had been being in suspended from many of these
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platforms multiple times but when someone at his level it's someone with
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with his following with his massive national profile was suspended then
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people started to sit up and pay attention and recognize the attacks on
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our ability to speak online and I think that we all owe him a debt of gratitude
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for such I mean Austin Peterson walked so that Milo Yiannopoulos could run will
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say some of you remember you're getting banned from Facebook and one of my
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Twitter bands was for posting a gif from Twitter's own meme repository of Joseph
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Stalin saying go gulag so that was what I was running a federal campaign now at
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the time of his suspension Milo had more than 300,000 Twitter followers his the
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ban removed his access to that audience but it made him a miter a martyr free
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Milo trended at the time the controversy introduced him to conservatives who had
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never heard of him before and then his peak arrived during the 2016 election
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and the first weeks of the Trump presidency he understood that Trump's
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appeal was not about detailed white pair papers from the care the Heritage
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Foundation it was about defiance of the political establishment at the time
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populism's rise Trump Trump could say the forbidden thing he could survive the
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outrage rage grab her by the hoo-ha and still become the president and it he they
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he would make the people who were attacking him look humorless and weak
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and then by early 2017 Milo had almost everything that a political media
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personality could want he was a senior Breitbart figures Simon and Schuster had
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agreed to publish his book dangerous the announcement that sent advanced sales to
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the top of Amazon CPAC invited him to speak Bill Maher brought him on HBO
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despite a campaign at the time to prevent his the appearance on there but
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then came Berkeley on February 1st 2017 Milo was scheduled to speak at the
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University of California Berkeley which was the symbolic birthplace of the free
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speech movement and the left of course couldn't have that left-wing writers set
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fires they smashed windows they attacked people and forced the event to be
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canceled now the images of this were devastating for the left people who were
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claiming to defend tolerance had used violence to stop an invited speaker from
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talking the university that once symbolized free speech now symbolized
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the use of force to suppress speech Milo did not even have to deliver his speech
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because the writers had made his argument and won his argument for him so
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he was a real victim of censorship but he wasn't wasn't content to defend free
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speech like it was a neutral principle and he often used personal humiliation
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in you know toxic language and escalated shock value that kept himself at the
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center of the news and he did it better than everybody else the strategy made him
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famous but it also meant that his career was always just one terrible clip away
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from collapse and that clip arrived in February of 2017 the old video surfaced
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in which Milo appeared to defend or mise sexual relationships between adult
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men and underage boys Milo said that his remarks had been taken out of context he
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then condemned child sexual abuse and explained that he had been speaking
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through his experience as a victim of abuse and he said that he had been
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molested by a priest and he had developed a dark provocative way of
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talking about his own trauma now but it didn't matter because the language was
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catastrophic for his image as a public figure within a matter of days CPAC
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withdrew his invitation Simon and Schuster canceled his book contract and
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Milo had to resign from Breitbart he went from HBO appearances major public
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publishing deals CPAC invitations in an international coverage of his Berkeley
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riot to losing his most important political and professional relationships
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almost overnight and that was the downfall of Milo Yiannopoulos it wasn't
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the left canceling a conservative the left had been trying to cancel him for
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years but those attempts usually made him more powerful every time Milo handed
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his own enemies material that his own allies believed that they couldn't
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defend now he eventually self-published his book dangerous the book did become a
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best-seller it did reach number two on the New York Times nonfiction list the
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success proved that the audience still wanted to hear from him but selling
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books directly to existing fans was not the same as rebuilding the relationship
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with Breitbart or his CPAC relationship or his access to mainstream conservative
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media those bridges had been burned and the collapse revealed the difference
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between fame which can be temporary and infrastructure which is more permanent
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Milo might have might have had millions of people who knew his name but he no
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longer had a publisher a media company social media access donors event
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organizers or political allies that had converted that attention into a real
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career which just goes to show how important institutions and
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infrastructure are to building a sustainable political movement you can't
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just get by on a personality entirely on your own he also had two million dollars
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in debts reportedly allegedly though so I'm assuming Milo I'm trying to do my
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best to report you accurately a friend his proposed Australian tour was
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cancelled he was producing disputes over money and ticket refunds which became a
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big problem so his provocation machine which once was unstoppable was no longer
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financially sustainable and in 2019 and a brazen active censorship the Australian
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government refused to allow Milo to enter the country after comments he had
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made following the Christchurch mosque massacre now the government may have had
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the legal authority to apply their character tests but I think the free
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speech problem is obvious a Western democracy had used Milo's speech as a
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reason to keep him out of the country that is a blatant attack on the
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individual rights of every single one of us you don't have to agree with Milo's
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comments to recognize the danger of this of this if a government can declare a
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foreign speaker unfit just because of their political interpretation of a
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horrific event might be offensive then immigration authority becomes a back-door
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system of ideological censorship the government does not have to ban the
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speech if it can simply ban the speaker we have more on this and a little bit
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gay Nevada are you good morning rise in freedom I'm Austin Peterson you're
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watching and listening to wake up America show on the 4 Liberty Network
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glad and thankful to have you here a Homeland Security says Milo Yiannopoulos
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entered the US legally in 2019 but that he failed to appear for a July 22nd
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immigration hearing he was arrested on Thursday in New Orleans and then returned
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to the UK Tom Homan said that ice wants to execute removal orders quickly they
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wanted lower detention costs and free beds it wasn't that because multiple
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people tip to ice Laura Loomer is publicly claiming the credit we're gonna
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talk about the downfall of Milo Yiannopoulos my next guest Tom papper from
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the Tennessee Star good morning Tom are you certain party Austin happy to talk
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about deportations always who knew we'd be deporting celebrities under Trump 2.0
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though I think it's exciting well I know you think it's exciting Tom and before
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you get your grin from ear to ear and and the monkey shines begin let's just
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stay out here publicly and on the record that people like Milo Yiannopoulos and
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others have said it for years that there need to be millions of deportations and
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you've publicly celebrated deportations advocated for mass deportations this is
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an obvious hoisting by his own petard clearly correct well I do think that
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maybe it's comical in that nature but I mean Milo Yiannopoulos has been really a
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critic of the Trump administration and on that note I mean five days into the
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administration 2.0 January 25th 2025 Milo Yiannopoulos was complaining that the
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Trump administration was not deporting enough people so it is humorous in that
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regard but I was looking into the mechanics of how the deportation
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happened and really any president would have done this Austin he according to
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what we're seeing from DHS and ice he overstayed a visa that is breaking the
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law then he skipped an immigration court hearing in the Obama administration
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maybe you could get by with that maybe people would ignore you but under the
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Trump administration that's not how it works your name is added to the list of
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people who are in the country illegally and can be deported at any time then he
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had the audacity to go to an international airport and I don't know
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if our viewers and listeners are aware of this but the government is at the
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airport they have the TSA there they have ice there customs and border
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protection is there so of course you're going to be maybe detected if you are an
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illegal alien and you have the brazen attitude that you're going to fly
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domestically in the United States of America and through major airports I
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don't think that there's anything really shocking that happened here except of
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course that it is somebody who in 2016 was a voracious and effective supporter
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of President Donald Trump okay well we're gonna get into that the political
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angle on that one so the home and said that faster removal saved attention
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money in the open beds so do you think that there is there's no political
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motivation whatsoever in the speed of his deportation or do you suspect that
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perhaps his criticism of the Trump administration had a little bit to do
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with the speed well Austin he had virtually no recourse so after you miss
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an immigration hearing and they issue a final order of deportation in absentia
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that means your only option is to launch an emergency appeal it has to be filed
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within 180 days of your immigration case closing to reopen the case based on new
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information and it seems as though Milo did not do that did not decide to do
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that and has been deported so that's really all it comes down to you think of
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the viral famous cases like my beloved Kilmar Abrego Garcia well the reason
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why that was complicated was because he had a withholding of removal order
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signed by an immigration judge that said he wasn't allowed to be deported to his
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home country of El Salvador well Milo enjoys no such protections from the
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United Kingdom though as a formerly gay man being deported to a Muslim country
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perhaps he could have made the argument but he didn't go to his July immigration
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hearing he didn't make that argument so it's not on the record Laura Loomer
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claims that she ripped him she said many people tip to ice any concerns about the
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tip system becoming a taxpayer-payer funded cancellation button Tom I think
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it's just as likely that Raheem Kassam is the person who quote-unquote tipped
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ice he had a similar post to social media though perhaps took a little bit
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longer so he didn't get as much credit and I like Laura Loomer but I don't
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think that anybody can report their enemies to the government and they're
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deported because if you look at the mechanics of this Milo had a visa for
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some reason the visa expired in July of this year he was invited to become
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before Uncle Sam and explain himself and see if they could fix the immigration
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issue he skipped that hearing I don't think people understand how insane that
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is you know if you get a traffic ticket sometimes it'll be a fix-it ticket you
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have to go to court and appear what happens if you skip that meeting well
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some cop is gonna come and knock on your door and arrest you or arrest you while
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you're driving around in public the same thing happened here he skipped a court
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hearing he was given a final order of deportation and absentia and then he
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shows up at an international airport which I don't know like they they had
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flights that night in fact I have a friend who figured out the exact flight
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that he was on they just happened to in Louisiana have flights going from New
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Orleans to London Heathrow Airport once or twice a day and in this situation ice
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has policies in place so you have two ice agents escort the foreign national
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on a commercial flight back to their country of origin and he might have been
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in handcuffs but I don't think that they would have done leg irons and like you
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know hogtied Milo Yiannopoulos or anything like that so in other words what we're
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seeing here is standard operating procedure for a government that takes
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itself seriously okay good to know the ice arrested
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Yiannopoulos at the New Orleans Airport and which placed him in the orbit of
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Kanye because Kanye was performing the city the next day Austin can I tell you
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the conspiracy side of this yeah let's hear it yeah so I'm gonna I'm gonna burn
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some bridges on accident here for some reason the Infowars crew was in New
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Orleans the same night Kanye West was in New Orleans the same night and Candace
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Owens was in New Orleans the same night so apparently there was some big meeting
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that you and I didn't get invited to happening in New Orleans and ice managed
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to keep Milo from attending what kind of difficult disclosure do you think that
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look deserves about this one because he is a very high-profile person
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Holman says that you know he support supports body cameras for ice but he
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couldn't confirm whether or not the the ice the people who detained Yiannopoulos
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were wearing body cameras so do you think that we should eventually get
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recording and disclosure about how this all went down I mean it was in an airport
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so I think body cameras may even be a little superfluous because there's
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probably 360 degree video coverage of every inch of an international airport
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after you know this many years after 9/11 in this country I hope we get the
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video I think that well let me put it this way I think it's important for the
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video to be released but I don't think that we're going to see anything from
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the video except I mean like I don't think that I don't want to see Milo
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Yiannopoulos be embarrassed I'm not just here to dance on his grave but I do
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think that's the only thing you're going to get from that video it's going to be
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very embarrassing for Milo he probably does not want it to come out but it
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probably should in the interest of transparency Milo used to be one of our
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top guys he was the one of the earliest and loudest supporters of President
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Donald Trump way back in 2016 what happened Tom what did this downfall it
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was it with drugs and alcohol running you know poor associations bad decisions
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a cocktail of all of the above but what do you tribute it to Tom you know I
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think there's something that separates us Americans from our cousins across the
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Atlantic and it seems to be a level of drive and ambition that our ancestors
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had that made them cross the Atlantic that there's maybe didn't and I just I
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have many people don't know this thing there's no reason why anybody would know
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it at this point but the first person to interview me when I wasn't just an
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anonymous page on Facebook was Milo Yiannopoulos using my real name and so I I
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do have absolutely a special place for Milo in my 2016 how we saved the
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country book that's going to come out one day when I'm 70 but I think what
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happened with Milo is he didn't have after he would parted ways with bright
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part somebody pushing him I think that Milo show that he was doing all the way
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back in 2018 could have been a success I think so many projects that Milo has
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been associated with could have been a success if he had had a Steve Bannon or
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a Rebecca Mercer or somebody that was going to hold his feet to the fire and
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when that did not happen he wound up sort of becoming that person for other
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individuals be it Kanye West Nick Fuentes etcetera and that is obviously not the
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best way to earn your living and it seems to have not worked out well for
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Milo Yiannopoulos so I don't even like attribute his political changes
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necessarily to a big change in philosophy I think that he was earning a living I
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think he had admitted before that he brought Fuentes and Kanye to Mar-a-Lago
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because he wanted to get revenge on Trump because he felt like he didn't get
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what he deserved for supporting Trump in 2016 so I I don't believe that this is a
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big ideological move on behalf of Milo I think that Milo feels spurned and he
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feels as though he didn't get what he deserved but I would argue it's because
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he didn't have the gumption to go get it one of the arguments that one of Donald
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Trump's supporters gave to me I was on a podcast recently from VDare and they're
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you know very big you know right-wing you know identity politics believers and
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we were talking a little bit about this concept of libertarian nationalism and
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one of the criticisms that the VDare crowd has of Donald Trump is specifically
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that is that there is no sine cure that the that the the reason why the left is
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so culturally prevalent is that they do have a patronage system for their people
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that ensures that the people who are you know the Praetorian Guard if you will of
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their elected officials are protected whereas on the right we have something
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more akin to a marketplace where people can rise and fall now I wonder what your
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thoughts are on that because I found that to be a compelling argument people
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like Marjorie Taylor Greene people like Tucker Carlson people like Miley
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Yiannopoulos all removed from from Trump's or orbit sometimes from mild criticisms
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sometimes because they're truning out entirely but Tom is there an argument to
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be made that the right doesn't protect its own people the that that there is
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too much of a sort of a of a shunning and social social shaming in a pushing out
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or a scapegoating if you will on behalf of the Trump administration rather than
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sort of like bringing all of these people into their orbit or do you think
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that these people should be shunned and shamed and and put outside of the
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circle is a problem and the problem exists and say back in 2018 when Miley
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Yiannopoulos was freshly canceled and essentially cut off from the conservative
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movement and given no opportunity to come back that was the problem then and
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there's many another problem is that you get lots of young people lots of young
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voices in this country that are conservative but maybe they don't come up
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through the young Republicans maybe they never had an internship on Capitol Hill
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maybe they don't have a degree from an Ivy League and so therefore they do not
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get access to the Republican role and I think that people like Charlie Kirk
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really change that in a lot of ways but I don't think that there's enough support
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for those type of young people those type of reasonable voices that are never
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going to be able to compete with the Candace Owens and are never going to get
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any support because they don't have the right bona fides but when it comes to
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that makes sense Tom oh but let me go sorry to cut you off there for just a
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moment because I think that is an important point there because you know
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people like ourselves you know we are competing with the third world online
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you know you've got Tucker Carlson who I you know I attribute a large part of his
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downfall not just of course you know being you know canceled from Fox News
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and pushed out of the president's orbit but you know his desire to stay relevant
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online if you want to stay relevant online you do have to some extent you
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know portray yourself as a friend of the third world or at least the third world
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mindset the biggest news podcasts and you know conservative and right-wing
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political news podcasts are the ones who do pander to the third world the most
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because of course the population makes it such that if you want to have those
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numbers you either have to be a pander to the third world or use perhaps some
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botting or some of these other the things that are happening on I'm not
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saying that like you know the reason why people like yourself and myself are not
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the biggest podcasters in the world are because you know we don't pander to the
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third world that might be part of it but it also might be because of which you've
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identified here Tom that there isn't sort of like you know not necessarily
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signing here but there isn't a proper patronage system and and if Charlie
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Kirk started to change that with turning point USA to a certain extent it hasn't
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really reached the broader movement it's harder for people like yourself to make
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inroads and to build careers having to compete against the third world to some
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extent isn't that the case that's exactly the case I mean look if you are
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a young person in this country at least now if you're in college you can go join
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TPS say you can meet some friends you can network you can learn how to operate
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within the world of MAGA Republican politics 15 years ago when I was in
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college it wasn't quite 15 10 years ago when I was in college you had the
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Republican Party and the young Republicans at my university banned Trump
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from campus because they said that he was nasty so as a result I was just cut
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off from the Republican world I had no opportunity to get involved with my
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local Republican Party because they said by default that I wasn't welcome and
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that really has not changed unless you're an 18 to 22 year old who happens
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to have access to TP USA but with Tucker Carlson it's a different situation
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entirely I mean this is somebody who essentially has chosen his third world
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audience over the access to the administration and people keep forgetting
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this they throw it up with JD Vance all the time Oh JD Vance was defending
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Tucker as recently as such and such time Trump was defending Tucker as recently
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as I believe it was like February of this year he said something to the
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effect of look we've done a lot of shows with this guy it's a shame to give it
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all up implying that it was Tucker's decision to give it all up and it would
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depend on his future behavior but Tucker has continued to behave
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outlandishly bizarre I mean the guy is essentially he has an anti-american
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bias and he will never say anything good about the country in which he lives and
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has given him so many wonderful things over his life so I I think that he is an
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absolutely different case there is no like Tucker had all the access you could
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want he was in Mar-a-Lago on the day of the election in 2024 he interviewed
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Trump he interviewed Elon Musk he interviewed Eric Trump Don Jr. there was
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no interview that he didn't have and he gave that up for the third world audience
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so it's a little bit different when you get a Tucker Carlson making that
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decision at age like 62 or whatever he is versus an 18 year old kid who has the
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wrong opinions about politics on I don't know immigration and so therefore he's
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cut off from the Republican world Tucker Carlson last week called for Donald
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Trump to be removed from office immediately over speculation that the
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administration may be considering the first use of nuclear weapons I mean he
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doesn't even believe in nukes I don't like why is it a big deal or is it that
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the aliens created the nukes or demons created the nukes perhaps I mean the guy
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makes no sense he's logically inconsistent I'm glad that we don't have
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to pretend to like Tucker Carlson I would try to be nice to him too you'll
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probably find tweets of me from like mid 2025 where I was responding to Tucker
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trying to bring him back to earth and then I found out from sources that Tucker
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doesn't look at social media the only way that Tucker engages with the world
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this is a pro tip for people who don't know this part of the reason he's so
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insane he gets text messages and he texts like a girl all day long this is
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what I've heard from multiple sources he texts all day long people send him
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tweets and YouTube videos that's the only way Tucker Carlson gets the news he
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doesn't have a television he doesn't look at social media but people text him
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so he's got a bunch of crazy friends I guess that text him or a bunch of third
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world friends that text him their favorite political news of the day do
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you think that JD Vance should distance himself from Tucker Carlson it's the
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because there is this bizarre business relationship between say Donald Trump
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jr. and Tucker Carlson they have you know they their business is intertwined
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and you know the same the guy what is his name Omid Malik who is like one of
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these rich investors has been involved with of course he's involved with Don
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jr. via public square and he was one of the early investors in Tucker Carlson's
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crazy little crazy person network and of course back when the crazy person
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network launched this is what's so important and everybody forgets it was
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2020 two or three Tucker Carlson was the highest rated person on Fox News the
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highest rated news show on on cable television history actually still holds
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that record to this day now we didn't learn until years later that he was
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carried by his like millennial and Gen X writing team and that he is a crazy
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person who has no discernment of his own if I know many of his former writers
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they're now at some of the best shows and podcasts and conservative media and
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it's no coincidence but Tucker is a crazy person so now I would I think that
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at some point you're going to see a JD Vance distance himself from Tucker but
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Tucker is really a fringe figure like I've said his name so many times I I
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really regret it in a way because he's a weirdo he gets a couple million views
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across platforms the but the average Fox News viewer like my 70 year old aunt and
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uncle they have not seen Tucker Carlson since he was last on Fox News they have
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no idea what he says they don't know he's gone crazy because they don't know
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what content he produces he's basically an irrelevant figure unless like you and
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me and probably a lot of our audience you happen to be enmeshed in the
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political dialogues that go back and forth on x.com yeah that's much to my
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chagrin I sometimes wish I could have the level of aloofness that would come
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from a from a chin that came from frozen damn Tom I love these conversations I
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wish they could go on for hours but I want to give you an opportunity before
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we go to plug your website or anything that you're working on before we let you
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go absolutely of course the best place you can go to follow me is at real Tom
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Pappard on x on that horrible depression misery and fake news generation app and
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if you want to read my latest you can go to Tennessee star calm we've got some
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big revelations we won the Covenant Manifesto lawsuit that's why I was last
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on Austin show but now we're going to be pulling teeth out of the city government
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to make sure they give us each and every document that the law and the court
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decision say we are entitled Tom you're a good man we appreciate you very much
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and so generous with your time we hope to see you again next week always a
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pleasure Austin have a good one you brought up a couple times lumer what is
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That's today's Wake Up America Show.
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