Mega Edition: Opening Statements During Day 1 Of The Chad Daybell Trial (10/18/26)

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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. On
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today's episode, we're going to head up to Idaho, and
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we're going to check in on the Chad Daybell trial
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and see what transpired during opening statements. And to do that,
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we have an article from East Idaho News, and this
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article was authored by Nate Eaton. Headline, First witness takes
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the stand in Chad Daybell's trial. Part one, 825 a.m.
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We're in the courtroom. Members of the public are filing in.
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It'll be full today. A line started forming outside the
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courthouse at 7 a.m. Chad Daybell is sitting at the
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defense table alone. Attorneys and the judge are not in
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the courtroom yet. 8.32 a.m. Larry and Kay Woodcock are
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in the courtroom. So is Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell's aunt.
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Tom Evans, a juror in the Lori Vallow case, is
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here with his wife and another former juror. 8.33 a.m.
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Opening statements in Lori Vallow Daybell's trial were exactly one
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year ago today, on April 10th, 2023. There were also
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10 men and 8 women on the jury in that case. 8.36 a.m.
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Daybell's sitting stone-faced wearing a blue shirt and a blue tie.
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The courtroom has been rearranged, so he is directly facing
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the jury. Prosecutor's table will face the judge. 8.53 a.m.
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Fremont County Prosecutor Lindsey Blake, Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood,
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Special Prosecutor Ingrid Beatty, Fremont County Deputy Prosecutor Rocky Wixom,
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and Defense Attorney John Pryor just walked in. Pryor whispered
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something into Daybell's ear. 8.56 a.m. Judge Boyce is on
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the bench. 8.58 a.m. Boyce reminds everyone of the courtroom
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conduct order. No noises from cell phones, no photos, no video.
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He says if there is a technological issue during the
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trial with a live stream, they will try to get
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things fixed. If there are significant delays, court proceedings will
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continue without the video. And I think that we can
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take a lot from what's happening here in this Chad
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Daybell trial as sort of the template for the way
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the Kohlberger trial is going to be handled as well,
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at least from a logistics standpoint. And what we have
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learned up in Idaho with the Lori Vallow trial and
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now with Chad Daybell's trial, We kind of get an
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idea of how the state plans on handling someone like
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Brian Koberger as well. 9 a.m. Boyce says all 18
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jurors are here. State and defense are ready to proceed. 9.01 a.m.
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Boyce mentions that witnesses are not allowed to watch court
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proceedings unless they are legally classified as a victim. 9.03 a.m.
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The jury enters the courtroom. They each have a notepad
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and are allowed to take notes, but they can't take
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them home. Boyce introduces himself and courtroom staff. 906 AM.
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Clerk conducts roll call. Boyce introduces prosecutors and defense attorney
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and asks them to stand. Boyce tells jurors Daybell has
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pleaded not guilty to the charges listed in the indictment.
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The clerk will read the indictment to the jurors. Boyce
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tells jurors defendant is never required to prove his innocence
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and never has to produce any evidence at all. Well,
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I wouldn't suggest that move. considering it worked out so
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well for Lori Vallow. Highly doubt that that's going to
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be the strategy here. 9.10 a.m. Jurors are sworn in.
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Boyce says normal trial schedule will be weekdays from 8.30 a.m.
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to 3.30 p.m. Recesses will be held in the morning
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and in the afternoon. 9.14 a.m. Jurors get $ 10 a day,
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and after five days, it bumps up to $ 40 per day.
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They're reimbursed for mileage They are fed lunch and snacks
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while they are here. Jeez, $ 10 a day to go
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and be a juror for this case? And then bump
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it up to a measly $ 40? 9.15 a.m. State goes
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first for opening statements because they have the burden of proof.
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Defense can then present an opening statement or wait. After
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all witnesses and evidence are presented, State and Defense will
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present closing arguments. 9.18 a.m. Boyce tells the jurors that
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they must determine Daybell's guilt or innocence based solely on
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the evidence presented in court. He is presumed innocent until
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proven guilty. 9.20 a.m. Boyce says he will not express
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any opinions on witnesses and whether they are worthy to
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be believed. He will not comment on the facts of
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the case. He tells jurors they must follow the court
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instructions regardless of their opinions on those instructions. 9.21 a.m.
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Boyce explains there may be occasional sidebars where he speaks
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with the attorneys in the corner of the courtroom and
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white noise is played. And that's pretty common. So what
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they're trying to do is drown out their conversation so
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it's not picked up by microphones, members of the media,
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or anyone in the courtroom for that matter. So they'll
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bring everybody over to the side, they'll have their little sidebar,
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and they'll pump that white noise into the room. 9.23 a.m.
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Boyce continues with jury instruction. including the importance of weighing
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witness testimony. 9.27 a.m. Boyce reminds jurors not to talk
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about the case with anyone else, to keep an open mind,
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not to reach a decision until the end, and don't
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discuss it with other jurors until the very end in
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the jury room. 9.29 a.m. Boyce finishes jury instruction. Clerk
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will now read the amended redacted indictment to the jurors. 9.35 a.m.
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A few jurors taking notes as the clerk reads the indictment.
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Others listen intently. Chad Daybell sits still with his eyes
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looking down. 9.36 a.m. Clerk finishes reading the amended indictment.
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Boyce reminds the jurors the indictment is not evidence. It's
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now time for opening statements. Rob Wood will give the
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statement on behalf of the prosecutors. 9.38 a.m. Wood asks
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for a hand mic and stands in front of the jury.
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He has a PowerPoint presentation, and there's going to be
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a lot of those throughout the trial, and they're going
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to use those to slam their point home, just like
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they did against Cafuza Lori Vallow. So I expect these
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PowerPoints to be very impactful when it comes to the
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jury and their interpretation of the evidence in this case. 9.39 a.m.
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Two dead children found buried in Chad Daybell's backyard, Woodbegins.
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He says Tammy Daybell was found dead in her bed
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and 17 days later married his mistress on the beaches
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of Hawaii. His desire for sex, money, and power led
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to the deaths of his wife and two innocent children.
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Same exact monologue, basically, that they used against Vallow. Money, power,
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sex were the main motivators that drove Lori Vallow and
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Chad Daybell to do what they did according to Lori
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Vallow's indictment and according to the charges against Chad Daybell. 9.40 a.m.
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He craves significance, Wood said, referring to Daybell. He says
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Daybell was an author and explains the background of Chad
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and Tammy. They had five children, moved to Idaho, where
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Tammy became a beloved school librarian. For this defendant, that
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ordinary existence was not enough. And you can tell right
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from the get-go what the tone and the tenor of
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this is going to be. It was all about power, greed,
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and money. And every bit of evidence that the prosecution
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is going to present is going to lead us to
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that destination. Or at least that's the hope of the prosecution, right?
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But considering what we saw with Lori Vallow and using
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that as a measuring stick, I highly doubt that we're
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going to see any sort of deviation from what we
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saw in that trial. The blueprint is there already for
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the prosecution to get a conviction. So there's no reason
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for them to try and recreate the wheel here. 9.42 a.m.
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There are some tech issues with the PowerPoint and the microphone.
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Wood pauses while they get it checked out. Chapter 2.
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Lori Vallow was a homemaker from Arizona. She was married
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to her fourth husband, Charles Vallow, and was the mother
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of Tylee Ryan and J.J. Vallow. 9.44 a.m. Wood. You'll
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hear about a pivotal date. The day Chad Daybell and
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Lori Vallow met at a religious conference in St. George, Utah.
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That introduction set into motion... what you will hear about,
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and talk about a bunch of batshit crazy people. Imagine
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going to some conference and, you know, talking about the
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end of the world, this, that, the other thing, and
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believing what these people believe. It has to be like
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being on a permanent acid trip. 9.45 a.m. Wood. In
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his thirst for sex, power, and money, Chad created an
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alternate reality where he called themselves James and Elena, or
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as I like to call them, Stunad and Scafusa. Wood
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says he was captivated by Lori's appearance and spoke about
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their sexual encounters on many occasions. More than anything else,
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Chad's obsession with Lori was rooted in her adoration for him.
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He called her an exalted goddess. 9.46 a.m. Wood laying
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out the statement with chapters, Wood says any who opposed
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Chad and Lori were labeled as dark spirits or even zombies.
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The evidence will show this was a convenient narrative to
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dehumanize people who stood in their way. This narrative gave
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them the pretext to remove people from the world for
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their good. Like most knucklehead, religiously driven crazy people, they
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wrap their nonsense up in the shield of, oh, this
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is what God told me, or this is what the
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angel Moroni told me, or insert spiritual figure here. Meanwhile,
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all of that just a ruse to hide the fact
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that these people, like Chad Daybell, like Lori Vallow, are
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using the premise of religion and all this other stuff
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simply to get their own way and to do what
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they want to do and to make it a bit
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easier for them to do it. So if they wrap
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up their bullshit, in this whole entire, you know, religious shield,
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then the people that are around them, they can justify it, right? Well,
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we had to kill so-and-so, or so-and-so is an evil spirit,
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so they have to go. And if you have everybody
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believe in your bullshit, well, before you know it, everybody's
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coming along for the ride. And that's pretty much what
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happened here. All these people that were around them, all
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these folks that were hanging out with Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell,
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going to these silly-ass conferences... I mean, come on, really?
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Chad Daybell is a prophet and he's gonna lead the 144,000, huh? Okay, sure.
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And I'm the Sultan of Brunei. 9.47 a.m. Wood introduces
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Alex Cox and two photos of him appear on the screen.
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Wood references the blessing Chad gave to Alex. Wood says
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text messages will be shown showing Alex told his wife
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he was afraid he was going to be Chad and
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Lori's fall guy. And that's why I've said from the beginning,
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that I think that Alex Wood killed himself with an overdose.
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Why else did he have Narcan in his system? Nobody
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can explain that to me. You're not catching a buzz
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off of Narcan. You're not going to take Narcan because
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you want to get a opioid buzz. So what was
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he doing with Narcan in his system? That's really the
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question that I have. And thus far, there hasn't been
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a good logical reason given to me as to why
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that would be the case. Unless, of course, he was
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overdosing and his wife, if you want to call her that,
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came in there and gave him this Narcan, right? So
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the whole, oh, it was a heart attack seems pretty
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convenient to me. 9.48 a.m. Wood tells jurors Charles Vallow
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was shot and killed by Alex in Arizona. Lori stood
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to get $ 1 million and awaited it. only to learn
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the beneficiary was no longer her. I'll still get $ 4, 000
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a month from SS, Lori texted Chad. Chad responded, it'll
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be interesting to see if it got changed after he
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had two bullets in his chest. Imagine these two fucking
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disgusting animals. And if anybody has ever deserved that helicopter ride, folks,
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I'm telling you right now, it's these two. 9.49 a.m.
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Which shows images of Tylee, JJ, and Tammy on the screen.
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He explains that Daybell said Tylee and JJ were possessed.
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They were found in Chad's backyard. Tammy Daybell, a vivacious
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happy mother, was another individual labeled as a dark spirit
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to be removed. 9.50 a.m. Wood explains Tammy's death and
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Chad cashing in her life insurance policy. Chad and Lori
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then went to Hawaii and rented a condo. You will
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hear from multiple witnesses that Chad predicted multiple times that
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Tammy would die an early death. Yeah, that's not suspect
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or anything, huh? Run around talking about, oh, my wife's
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going to die an early death. Then she dies an
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early death, and you say you just found her there
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like that? Oh, she rolled out of bed? Okay, buddy, sure. 9.51 a.m.
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Wood shows photos of Chad and Lori on the beach.
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He says they were preparing for their wedding well before
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Tammy's death. 9.54 a.m. Wood shows a slide that says
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the collapse of the dream. It lists the attempted murder
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of Brandon Boudreau, concern for the missing children, lies to police,
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unwillingness to produce the children, raccoon text. And remember the
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raccoon text, he said that he had just shot a raccoon.
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But meanwhile, the kids were dead by then. And really
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what he meant was that these kids were killed. At
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least that's what the prosecution has inferred. 9.55 a.m. Wood
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explains that the trial will be lengthy and there will
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be a lot of witnesses. He shows a timeline of
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major events on the screen. It shows when Chad and
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Lori met, Charles Vallow killed, Lori moves to Rexburg, Tylee's
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last seen, raccoon text, JJ last seen, attempted homicide of
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Brandon Boudreau, shooting at Tammy, Tammy's death, Chad and Lori's marriage,
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welfare check on JJ, Chad and Lori lie to police
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and leave town, children found buried, Children found buried on
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Chad's property. 9.57 a.m. Slide on the screen says outline
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of evidence to come. It includes financial evidence, law enforcement testimony,
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unraveling the conspiracy, DNA testing, fingerprints, and the Hawaii police.
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And they're almost following the Lori Vallow template to a
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T here. When we're talking about the evidence presented, how
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they go about it, this is exactly how they went
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after Lori Vallow and how they got that conviction. And
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my guess is when all is said and done, Chad
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Daybell is going to be found guilty. 9.59 a.m. Wood,
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you will hear many of this defendant's own words. You
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will read multiple texts that he and Lori sent back
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and forth. 10 a.m. News slide says, yet unwritten, and
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lists all the charges Daybell faces. Two dead children buried
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in this defendant's backyard. The next month, his wife is
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dead in their bed. 17 days later, this defendant marries
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Lori Vallow. Members of the jury, your verdict will be
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the link that writes the final chapter of this tragic saga.
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Wood finishes. His statement was around 22 minutes long. 10.01 a.m.
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Pryor will give an opening statement after morning break. So
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this seems like the perfect place for us to break too.
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So what we're going to do is wrap up this
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first episode. And in the next episode, we'll pick up
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with Chad Daybell's lawyer giving their opening statement. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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to the program. In this episode, we're going to pick
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up where we left off, up in Idaho, at the
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Chad Daybell trial. So, let's just get right back to it.
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Once again, this article is provided by the East Idaho News,
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and the author of this article is Nate Eaton. 1020 AM,
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back in the courtroom. Chad Daybell is smiling as he
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chats with his attorney. 10.30 a.m. All the attorneys and
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Chad Daybell are in the courtroom waiting on the judge
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and the jury. 10.31 a.m. Boyce is on the bench.
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Jurors are being brought in. 10.34 a.m. Jurors are in.
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Pryor has a handheld mic and stands in front of
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the group. He introduces himself and says he's from Meridian. 10.34 a.m.
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What's important are facts and evidence, Pryor says. He tells
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jurors not to be distracted by speculation, guesses, assumptions, or hunches.
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Pryor says Chad Daybell went on a mission to talk
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to people about his religious beliefs, 10.35 a.m. Pryor says
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Chad served his mission in New Jersey, returned home, and
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then dated Tammy for six months. Then they got married
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and had five children. They moved to Idaho and ran
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a publishing company that was predominantly run by Tammy. 10.37am.
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Pryor tells Jerry Chad wrote books about religious experiences. He
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writes about his premonitions. He writes about good and evil
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and what it means to be good and what it
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means to be evil. He writes about dark and light.
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He writes about death and the coming of the end
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of things and when his savior in his mind is
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going to come back. Pryor says all the books were
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based on fiction. Now, look, it's one thing for Chad
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Daybell to believe this bullshit. The fact that he got
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other people to follow along with him is just crazy
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to me. Now, I know it shouldn't be because there's
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a lot of crazy people out there that are willing
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to believe a lot of crazy shit as long as
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that crazy shit lines up with their confirmation bias. So...
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They're out here thinking that all this stuff is real.
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Then they have a guy like Chad Daybell show up
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talking about how he's a conduit to God, how he's
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talking to angels, all this other bullshit. Well, the people
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who want that to be real, they're going to be
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the ones who believe you, right? And they're going to
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be the ones that follow along with your bullshit. So
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those people are already you know, preconditioned to believe this
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stuff is true. But those of us who reside on
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the plane of reality, we all know that that's a
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bunch of BS. And there's no angels that are coming
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down to talk to people, and certainly not coming down
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to talk to somebody like Chad Daybell. And as far
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as fiction goes, the books might be fiction, but you
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know what else is fiction? The whole entire narrative that
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Chad Daybell is trying to pitch. 10.38am. Pryor says in
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late October 2018, Chad was invited to speak at an event.
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While he was trying to sell his books, this beautifully
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stunning woman named Lori Vallow comes up and she starts
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giving him a lot of attention. She pursued him. She
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encouraged him. She went so far as to go behind
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the booth and help him selling his books. So there
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you see the strategy right away. Daybell and his lawyer, Mr.
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Pryor here, they're going right for the throat. Lori Vallow's fault?
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She's the one who initiated all of the contact that
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we had, and eventually she was the one who talked
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Chad Daybell into this. Is that going to be the
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way that they go and the strategy that they try
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to use? That would be their best bet. Throw Lori
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Vallow directly under the bus. 10.40 a.m. Pryor says that
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after the seminar, there was a 1-2 month break where
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Chad and Lori had no contact. Pryor says Chad had
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a speeding ticket in 2005, but no other background. But
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Lori Vallow was a different story. Lori Vallow was someone who,
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right out of high school, married her first husband. That
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marriage was very short-lived. Very short-lived. So he's inferring here, right?
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And I think that we can tell a lot about
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what their strategy is going to be as a defense
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from just this little bit. And if this is the
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way they're going to go, it's probably the best path
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for them to take. Do I think it's going to
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end up with Chad Daybell, you know, not getting convicted? No,
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I don't believe that. But the strategy used by Lori Vallow,
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that was a losing strategy from day one. If you're
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not going to get up there, you're not going to
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defend yourself. You have nothing to add. Well, I have
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news for you. You're going to prison. 10.41 a.m. Pryor
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mentions Lori's second short-lived marriage. He says Alex Cox, her brother,
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would do anything to assist his sister without question. If
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Alex Cox perceived there was a problem, Alex Cox reacted.
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Pryor says jury will hear testimony that Lori's third marriage
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to Joseph Ryan was tumultuous. 10.42 a.m. Pryor says Alex
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Cox approached Joseph Ryan and shot him with a taser
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in 2007, years before Lori knew Chad. It set the
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pattern for what we are dealing with with Alex Cox.
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Whenever there was a problem with Lori Vallow, Alex Cox
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ran to the rescue. 10.43 a.m. Pryor says Chad and
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Lori had an inappropriate relationship while their former spouses were
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still alive. Pryor tells the jury that Alex Cox shot
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and killed Charles. Prior, says the jury, they will see
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Chad Daybell had nothing to do with the execution of
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Charles Vallow or the shooting of Brandon Boudreau. Maybe not physically,
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but conspiratorially. Behind the scenes, working it out, egging Alex
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Cox on, egging Lori Vallow on. So let's not try
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and set this up and frame it like Chad Daybell
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was just a passenger on this ship. This fool was steering. 10.45 a.m.
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Pryor says Chad had no background and then Miss Texas
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Lori Vallow, a very sexual person, came into his life.
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After that, eventually, yes, there was a murder and there
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was a burial, Pryor says. He says the backyard of
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Chad's property is a four-and-a-half-acre farm. 10.46 a.m. Pryor talks
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about the burial locations of JJ and Tylee. Pryor plans
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to bring forward four experts, including Dr. Greg Hampakian, a
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DNA expert. Hampikian got Amanda Knox exonerated in Italy because
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of DNA evidence, Pryor says. He is the guy. He's
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going to talk a little bit about the DNA evidence
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that was found at the scene. So, of course, it's
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going to be a battle of experts. And they're both,
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meaning prosecution and the defense, are going to try and
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get an expert up there that's pitching their narrative. What
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it's going to come down to, though, are the facts. 10.48 a.m.
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Pryor says Hampikian will talk about several hairs found on
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the plastic of J.J. Vallow. He's also going to say
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there was no DNA evidence, no hair sample of Chad
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Daybell on Tylee Ryan or J.J. Vallow. Pryor says the
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jury will also hear from Dr. Raven, a forensic pathologist,
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who will talk about the circumstances surrounding Tammy Daybell. He
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says she will say there is no indication this was
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a homicide or any other cause of death. 10.49 a.m.
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Pryor says the jury will hear testimony from three to
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four of Chad's children. They're going to talk about their
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mother's health struggle. They're going to talk about their mother's
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use of various medical treatments she would use, oils she
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would put on her leg, medicine and different herbs she
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would take, and that their mother was suffering from a
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number of maladies and she would refuse to see a doctor.
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So that's going to be the narrative? Another one of
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these dudes that trots out their children to try and
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get them off, huh? Is there anything worse than a
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scumbag who uses his kids to try and get him
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out of a crime? I mean, holy cow. Bro, just
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own up to it already, okay? We all know the deal. Furthermore,
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these kids were found buried on your property. And I've
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said it from the beginning. I don't think that Chad
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Daybell was the one who actually killed these kids as
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far as the action itself. But I think that him,
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Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox conspired to kill these children.
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Vallow and Daybell were the ones who came up with
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the plan, and then Alex Cox is the one who
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carried it out. 10.50 a.m. Pryor says the jury will
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hear from Patrick Eller, a data forensic examiner. Pryor says
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the jury will hear testimony that Alex Cox visited the
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Daybell property multiple times, and Eller will present information and
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data to support it. Dr. Eric Bartolink will also testify,
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Pryor says. He is a forensic pathologist. Well, that's all
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fine and well, and you can have all of these
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guys come up and say that there's no DNA from
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Chad found at the crime scene or where these kids
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were buried. That doesn't help you when it comes to conspiracy. Remember,
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conspiracy to commit murder. That gets you the same sentence
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as actually pulling the trigger. And if you remember back
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to the jury selection phase, that's why the prosecution was
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talking about the Kansas City Chiefs and winning the Super
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Bowl and if everybody should get a ring. So it
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was the analogy they were using to set things up
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for all of this conspiracy talk that we're going to
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hear about. 10.52 a.m. Pryor tells the jury to listen
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to the arguments and not make their decision until the
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very end. I'm going to ask you folks to return
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a verdict if not guilty. Thank you, folks. Pryor's opening
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statement was around 19 minutes. 10.53 a.m. Boyce now holding
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a sidebar with attorneys to discuss the scheduling. 10.56 a.m.
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First witness called to the stand is Rexburg police detective
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Ray Hermosillo. 11 a.m. Hermosillo has been a detective with
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Rexburg police for about five years. He was in law
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enforcement for 18 years before becoming a detective in Rob
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Wood is questioning Hermosillo. He says he was contacted on
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November 1, 2019 by Fremont County Sheriff's Office saying there
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was possibly a Jeep in Rexburg that was involved in
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a homicide in Arizona. 11.01 a.m. Hermosillo contacted Gilbert, Arizona
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police and they asked him to seize the Jeep if
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it could be found. Gilbert asked Rexburg to conduct intermittent
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surveillance on the residents. Hermosillo says They surveyed between November
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1st to 4th at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg. 11.02 a.m.
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Hermosillo says Chad and Lori were observed a few times
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at the location. His primary job was to look for
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a Jeep. Wood asked to admit an exhibit for Hermosillo
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to look at. 11.04 a.m. Four photos are admitted into evidence.
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Pryor has some questions about the evidence. Chad scoots the
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microphone over so Pryor can be heard. 11.06 a.m. Pryor
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asks Hermosillo if he went through the Jeep or took
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photos himself. Hermosillo says that he went through the Jeep personally.
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Pryor has no further questions. Boyce asks for a quick sidebar.
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White noise is played. And for those of you who
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were following along during Lori Vallow's trial, you'll be very
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familiar with a lot of the names that are going
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to come up this time around. It's going to be
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a lot of the same people as far as evidence-wise.
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You're going to see a lot of the same witnesses
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Get called to the stand. 11.10 a.m. Boyce back on
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the bench. Wood is showing two photos of the Jeep
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to the jurors. It's a gray Jeep that was registered
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to Charles Vallow, but Tylee Ryan drove it. The next
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photo shows the back of the Jeep with a Texas
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license plate. 11.12 a.m. Hermosillo says he never saw children
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with Lori or Chad. At that time, Hermosillo did not
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know who JJ or Tylee were, and Rexburg police were
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not asked to look for the kids at that time. 11.13 a.m.
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After the Jeep was seized, Gilbert police detectives and crime
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analysts flew to Rexburg. They served a warrant and were
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looking for the infotainment system that contained the GPS locations.
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They came on November 18, 2019, and asked Hermosillo if
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they had seen any children. Rexburg police said they had not. So,
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no children. The kids are missing. Not with Mom, not
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with Chad Daybell, not with any of their friends. So
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where are these kids? Well, now we all know that
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they were dead. But at the time, nobody had any
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idea where J.J. or Tylee was. Hermosillo says Gilbert Police
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asked Rexburg to do a welfare check on J.J. Vallow.
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They were provided with a brief description and where J.J.
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should be, 565 Pioneer Road, where he lived with his mother,
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Lori Vallow. and I think that we're even taking it
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a step too far to call this lady a mother.
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This skafooza should have never been a mother. 1118 AM.
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Wood asked to admit three exhibits. The first is Kane
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and Todd Trahan's birth certificate, place of birth, Lake Charles, Louisiana.
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1120 AM. The second exhibit is an adoption decree for
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Kane and Trahan. Wood asked Hermosillo to read from the decree.
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It says the name of Kanan Trahan is being changed
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to Joshua Jackson Vallow. 1122 AM. Exhibit 3 is Joshua
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Jackson Vallow's birth certificate. 1123 AM. Hermosillo says they received
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a few photos of JJ from Gilbert Police and JJ's grandmother,
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Kay Woodcock. Hermosillo says photos and video of JJ were
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found on Lori Vallow's iCloud account. Wood admits Exhibit 4,
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a photo of JJ Vallow. Pryor asks the source of
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the photo. Hermosillo says it came from Vallow's iCloud. Pryor
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asks to approach. White noise is played. 11.26 a.m. Boyce
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is back on the bench. During testimony, many jurors are
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taking notes. Others haven't written a thing. Some drink water, coffee,
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Diet Coke. 11.27 a.m., which shows the photo of J.J.
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to the jury and gallery. Hermosillo says on November 25, 2019,
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he got a call from the Gilbert police, Detective Pilar.
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He asked Hermosillo to do a welfare check on J.J.
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the next morning. Hermosillo did the check on November 26.
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He and Detective Dave Hope went to Vallow's home. As
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we approached, we noticed the defendant, Chad Daybell, and Alex
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Cox unloading a pickup near the garage area. 11.29 a.m.
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Hermosillo knew who Chad and Alex were. He says he
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got out of the vehicle and made contact with Alex.
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He asked if Lori was home. Alex said she was
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not home. Hermosillo asked if JJ was home. At that point,
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Alex got surprised and a frightened look on his face
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looked over across the pickup at defendant Daybell. Daybell then
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looked back at Alex and said, and initially neither one
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of them answered my question. Well, that's because they couldn't
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answer the question, because this poor kid was already killed. 11.30 a.m.
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Alex eventually said JJ was with his grandmother in Louisiana.
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I informed Alex that it was unlikely JJ was with
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his grandmother Kay, because she was the one who called
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in the welfare check. Hermosillo says, He says Alex looked
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over at Chad, and they both looked at each other.
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I asked Alex where I could find Lori Vallow. Hermosillo says. Alex,
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says Lori, was in apartment 107, the same complex, but
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a few apartments down. Oh, all of a sudden, you
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know where she is, huh? Yeah, none of this is suspect.
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None of these interactions with Alex Cox and Chad Daybell
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that the detective had were anything to be concerned about, right? Right? 11.32 a.m.
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Hermosillo asks for Lori's cell phone number. Alex said he
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didn't have it. Rexburg police knew Alex and Lori were
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siblings and extremely close. When Alex told me he didn't
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have his sister's cell phone number, I assumed he was
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lying to me. 11.33 a.m. Hermosillo and Hope went to
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the apartment to find J.J. Vallow. They knocked on apartment
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107 and there was no answer. Hope knocked on neighbor's doors.
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Hermosillo walked back to his vehicle to call for more detectives.
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He called for more because of the deception from Alex.
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I wanted to figure out exactly what was going on.
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and we were going to start canvassing the area and
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knocking on doors. And at this point, for Chad Daybell,
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Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox, this was the beginning of
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the end. 11.35 a.m. As Hermosillo approached the car, Chad
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drove toward him in a black Chevy Equinox. Hermosillo stopped
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him to talk to him. He asked Chad when was
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the last time he saw JJ Vallow. Chad said it
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was in October in apartment 107 with Lori Vallow. Chad
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told Hermosillo he had only met Lori a couple of
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times and didn't know her very well. Bros out here
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spitting all kinds of lies. That's not very godly of you,
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by the way, Chad Daybell. What would the angels say? 11.36 a.m.
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Hermosillo knew. Chad and Lori were married in Hawaii two
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weeks prior. Hermosillo asked Chad for Lori's phone number. He
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said he didn't have it. Detective Hope saw the two
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talking and walked back towards them. Hermosillo asked again. for
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Lori's number and Chad gave it to him. Chad said
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he felt Hermosillo was accusing him of something and that's
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why he didn't give him the number the first time.
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Oh yeah, well, you're being accused, stupid, because you're guilty.
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That's why you're being accused, you fucking stoonod. 11.37 a.m.
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Hermosillo was not wearing a body camera. As a detective,
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most of the interviews are done at the department in
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a controlled environment with cameras. Patrol officers are assigned body cameras,
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but detectives are not. 11.38 a.m. Hermosillo asked his lieutenant,
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Ron Ball, to gather detectives and responded to the complex.
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Ball arrived with another detective and they began knocking on doors.
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They went to Lori's apartment and nobody answered. Hermosillo learned
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Melanie Boudreau, now Pawlowski, Lori's niece, live right next door.
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Nobody answered that door. 11.40 a.m. At that point, our
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only focus was to find JJ, and we were going
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to exhaust every means to do that. Hermosillo went to
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the prosecutor's office to get a warrant. While he was
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on the way, Detective Hope called and left a message.
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Lori Vallow called Hope back, and they told her to
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open the door. Detective Stubbs and Detective Ball made contact
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with Lori that day. And all of these other people,
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Melanie and the rest of them, Zaluma, they're lucky that
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I wasn't the prosecutor. I would have charged them all.
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In fact, they're lucky they didn't get hit with Rico. 11.43 a.m.
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Hermosillo says police attempted to locate Melanie Gibb, Lori's friend.
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Lori told police that JJ was with Gibb in Arizona.
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Detective Pilar in Arizona went to the Gibb residence at
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around 9 p.m. Rexburg police learned JJ was not there.
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Hermosillo contacted Ball, and they agreed to meet at the
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prosecutor's early the next morning. to get search warrants on
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Apartments 175, Lurie's, 174, Melanie's, and 107. 11.46 a.m. The
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warrants were executed on November 27, 2019. They searched Apartment
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175 first. Everything looked ordinary. There were couches, papers on
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the table. There was food in the refrigerator and food
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in the pantry. Hermosillo said it appeared people lived there.
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but there were no clothes on any of the hangers
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in the closet. J.J. was not in the apartment. 11.47 a.m.
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Police found a child's Star Wars suitcase mixed in with
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the 72-hour kits and an old prescription bottle for J.J.
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There were also some scooters and a small child's bike
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on the porch. Hermosillo sees the Risperidone prescription and the suitcase.
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Police then searched apartment 174. Everything was normal, but no
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signs of J.J., 11.48 a.m., apartment 107 was completely vacant.
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In apartment 174, police found a large amount of cash
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that they seized for safekeeping. In apartment 175, police found
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several different styles of weapons in the garage. Handguns, rifles,
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guns of various calibers, army knives, they were seized for safekeeping. 11.49 a.m.,
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there was no evidence that J.J. Vallow had been in
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apartment 174 or 107. In apartment 175, a storage unit
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rental agreement contract was found. The name of Lori Ryan
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was on the contract and it was a storage unit
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number C-52. Police went to the storage unit. 11.51 a.m.
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Hermosillo explains what was in the unit, photos, family items, etc.
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Would ask for a brief sidebar. 11.52 a.m. We are
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going to break for lunch. We'll be back in one hour.
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So this is where we're going to break as well.
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And in the next episode, we'll pick up where we
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left off and finish up with the first day of
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Chad Daybell's trial. All of the information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
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going to finish off opening statements in the Chad Daybell trial.
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And to do that, we're going to pick back up
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where we left off with that EastIdahoNews.com article that was
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authored by Nate Eaton. 1 p.m. We are back in
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the courtroom. Detective Hermosillo remains on the stand. Chad Daybell
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just walked in and is chatting with Pryor at the
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defense table. Half of the right side of the gallery
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is now blocked off, and the bailiff says the public
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is no longer allowed to sit there. So that's interesting.
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I wonder what went down. 1.04 p.m. Boyce enters the
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courtroom and would ask for a sidebar to discuss an
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evidence issue. Detective Hermosillo remains on the stand. 1.07 p.m.
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Boyce back on the bench and the jurors are being
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brought in to the courtroom. 1.10 p.m. Wood continues questioning
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Hermosillo about the search of Lori's apartment. He asked to
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admit more exhibits. 1.12 p.m. The exhibits are photos taken
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from Lori's residence on November 27th, 2019. Pryor asked what
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time the photos were taken. Hermosillo says between 10 a.m.
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and noon. Pryor asked repeated questions about who took the pictures.
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Hermosillo doesn't know who took the pictures. 1.16 p.m. Hermosillo
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says around 10 people were in the apartment at the
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time the photos were taken but doesn't know who took
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the photos. Pryor objects to having the pictures admitted. Wood
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wants to lay more foundation. 1.17 p.m. Pryor objects again
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after Wood asks more questions. Boyce overrules the objection with
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the exception of one photo and they are admitted. And
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remember a lot of these objections... they know that they're
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not going to be sustained and what they're trying to
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do is set it up for later on down the
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road when they're looking for that appeal. So sometimes when
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you see them object to silly things like that and
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you're wondering why, well, a lot of the time, that's
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the reason they do that, especially in cases like this
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where they know or, at the very least, think their
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clients are cooked. 1.18 p.m. The photos are shown on
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the screen and to the jury. The first picture is
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the front porch area of apartment 175. The next photo
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shows the front room kitchen area. A child's suitcase is
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on the floor along with some other items. If there
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were no kids there, why do you have kids' bikes?
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Why do you have a kid's suitcase? Why do you
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have all these toys? Why do you have pill bottles
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with JJ's name on them? So these are questions that
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my dumb ass is coming up with. You know the
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investigators were all over it. 1.20pm The next photo shows
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pictures on the walls, the TV, papers on the counter.
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The next image is the Star Wars suitcase and some
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72-hour kits under the stairs. 1.22pm The next photo shows
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the top of the stairwell looking down into the bottom
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of the stairs. The following image shows the master bedroom,
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bedding and pillows are on the mattress. 1.23 p.m. The
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next photo caused some red flags for us when we
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were searching the apartment, Hermosillo says. There were a lot
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of empty hangers. It appears to us that she just
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grabbed her clothes, left everything else, and took off. Yeah, well,
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when you're on the lam and you're worried about being arrested,
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you don't have time to clean up. take your gear
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and you go. So Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell, they
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all knew that eventually this was going to catch up
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with them. So what they were going to do is
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go and live their best life until that happened. And
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for Scafusa and Stunad, their best life was walking around
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the beaches in Hawaii. So like I always say, they
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like Hawaii so much, no problem. Let's get that helicopter,
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gas it up. Once Chad Daybell is convicted, which I
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think is going to happen... Let's get him in that helicopter,
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and we can throw him directly in the volcano, and
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we'll be done with it. 1.24 p.m. The next picture
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is the bedroom on the right-hand side. This is where
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police found some of Alex's belongings, including a plastic tub,
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hygiene items, etc. The new photo shows what was in
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Alex's room. Two white Tyvek suits are laid out on
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the floor. The room to the left has twin beds
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with bedding. And to me... I know I've said this
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a million times at this point when we're talking about this,
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but Alex Cox, in my opinion, is the one who
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actually murdered these kids. This disgusting, deranged individual with his
680
00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:19.380
Lannister-type relationship with his sister? Yeah, he was a sick,
681
00:42:19.460 --> 00:42:23.159
degenerate fuck. And the only thing I'm sorry about is
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00:42:23.179 --> 00:42:26.550
that he isn't around to face justice like Scafusa and Stunad.
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And not to digress too far, but there's no way
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you're going to convince me that this dude died of
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a heart attack. Talk about convenient. 1.26 p.m. Wood asked
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to admit a photo of a rental agreement Lori Ryan signed.
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He shows the agreement to the jury. The agreement led
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00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:48.409
police to the storage unit. 1.32. Wood presents more exhibits
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00:42:48.510 --> 00:42:51.730
and asks Hermosillo to review them. They are photos taken
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00:42:51.769 --> 00:42:56.429
in apartment 175 in the garage on November 27, 2019.
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Hermosillo was present in the garage. The items were in
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00:43:00.949 --> 00:43:05.679
the picture. were taken out to be photographed. 1.33 p.m.
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Wood moves to admit the photos into evidence. Pryor objects.
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He asks who took the photos. Hermosillo says Detective Dave
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Hope took them. Boyce overrules the objection and the pictures
696
00:43:17.260 --> 00:43:22.360
are admitted. 1.36 p.m. The photos are shown on the screen.
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The first image shows rifle magazines on the floor that
698
00:43:25.949 --> 00:43:30.550
were inside tubs. There was also suppressors, ammunition, a ghillie
699
00:43:30.610 --> 00:43:34.579
camouflage suit, and some other items. The next photo shows
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00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.559
items found in a black plastic bag. The clothing and
701
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.760
items are laid out on the floor. 1.40 p.m. The
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00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.389
next picture is a close-up of the rifle. The following
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00:43:43.449 --> 00:43:47.389
photo shows two suppressors. The next picture shows knives found
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00:43:47.909 --> 00:43:51.150
among the ammunition in the tubs. The next exhibit shows
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00:43:51.210 --> 00:43:54.269
a handgun in a case found inside the garage. The
706
00:43:54.309 --> 00:43:57.269
next exhibit shows a Halloween mask found in a plastic
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00:43:57.289 --> 00:44:00.090
bag in the garage along with duct tape and rope.
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00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.400
Oh yeah, that's not a serial killer starter kit or anything. 1.42 p.m.
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The next photo shows the rope and the duct tape
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00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.199
in a Walmart bag. The last photo shows Alex Cox's
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00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:17.239
passport found in the belongings. 1.44 p.m. Wood moves to
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admit more exhibits. Pryor's asking about police staging the items
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and what items were photographed. Hermosillo says they took pictures
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of anything they thought was of evidentiary value. So anything
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that might end up being something they use later on
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00:44:33.139 --> 00:44:36.079
to get a conviction, they're taking pictures of it. They're
717
00:44:36.099 --> 00:44:38.340
going to document it. They're going to make sure that
718
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.739
it's included with the evidence and that they're able to
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00:44:41.780 --> 00:44:44.800
go back and say, this was for that. This was
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for this. And this is why this evidence matters. So
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what Pryor is trying to do is to attack the
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00:44:51.969 --> 00:44:56.090
process itself. The evidence gathering process was the chain of
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00:44:56.150 --> 00:44:59.750
custody respected and who took the pictures, blah, blah, blah.
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And for him, when you have a client like Chad Daybell,
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00:45:03.730 --> 00:45:06.829
who's guilty in my opinion, you really don't have much
726
00:45:06.929 --> 00:45:11.010
else to use, right? Loopholes and technicalities is about the
727
00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:13.199
extent of it. So I'm sure we're going to see
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00:45:13.219 --> 00:45:15.739
a lot of that from Mr. Pryor as things continue
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00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:18.820
to progress here. What I do find interesting, though, is
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that they're already framing it and setting it up a
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00:45:21.500 --> 00:45:24.380
little bit to toss Lori Vallow under the bus. So
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that's pretty significant in my opinion. 1.46 p.m. Prior asked
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follow-up questions about the photos. The photos are admitted. The
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00:45:34.369 --> 00:45:37.329
first picture shows a printed email of what was located
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00:45:37.449 --> 00:45:40.980
in the garage. The paper shows names and numbers associated
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with the names. The email was sent from Chad Daybell
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in October of 2018. 1.49 p.m. The photos show continuations
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00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.130
of the emails. The following photo shows books written by
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00:45:54.170 --> 00:45:57.179
Chad Daybell that were found in a tub. The final
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00:45:57.219 --> 00:45:59.820
photo is the cell phone found in a tub in
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00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:03.360
the garage. And for any of you aspiring authors out there,
742
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.969
if Chad Daybell's bitch ass can do it, so can you.
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If this do not confine an audience, anyone can. 1.51 p.m.
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Hermosillo says J.J. Vallow was not located on November 27th.
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The next step was to talk to anyone who would
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00:46:19.869 --> 00:46:23.210
take their phone calls. J.J., who we were looking for,
747
00:46:23.449 --> 00:46:28.050
so we were exhausting every effort to find... JJ, Hermosillo says.
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00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:31.949
They called siblings, family members, anyone who might know the
749
00:46:31.989 --> 00:46:37.469
whereabouts of JJ. 1.53 p.m. Police spoke with Brandon Boudreau,
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00:46:37.769 --> 00:46:41.909
Melanie Boudreau, and Colby Ryan. After speaking with Colby, the
751
00:46:41.969 --> 00:46:47.320
search grew to include Tylee Ryan. 1.55 p.m. Wood moves
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00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:51.980
to enter an exhibit showing Tylee Ryan's birth certificate. 1.56 p.m.
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On December 11, 2019, J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan were
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entered into the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
755
00:47:01.579 --> 00:47:05.889
The FBI, Chandler Police, and Gilbert Police were contacted to
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00:47:05.949 --> 00:47:10.570
help with the search. 2 p.m. Detectives tried to contact
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00:47:10.630 --> 00:47:13.090
Lori Vallow on her cell phone, but it was turned off.
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00:47:13.570 --> 00:47:17.489
Hermosillo says they contacted Chad Daybell by calling his cell,
759
00:47:17.730 --> 00:47:21.369
but it was also shut off. Hermosillo says Lori and Chad...
760
00:47:21.449 --> 00:47:26.079
never contacted Rexburg police about the missing children. So your
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00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:30.000
kids go missing and you don't even bother calling the cops, huh? Yeah,
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00:47:30.019 --> 00:47:31.719
you had nothing to do with it. And the more
763
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.019
we talk about this case, the more we talk about
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00:47:34.059 --> 00:47:37.349
these two people, the more my contempt grows for both
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00:47:37.389 --> 00:47:41.170
of them. 2.01 p.m. Police set up multiple tip hotlines
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so anyone with information on JJ and Tylee could call.
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00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:48.840
Armacillo says they received tips and those tips were all
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00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.760
assigned numbers. They were followed up on by detectives and
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other officers. 2.03 p.m. After police put out a news release,
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they received more tips. 2.05 p.m. Hermosillo learned about the
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00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:05.900
location of Chad and Lori at the beginning of January 2020.
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Eyewitnesses called into the police department and said the couple
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00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.670
was on Kauai. Hermosillo issued cell phone warrants that helped
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00:48:13.710 --> 00:48:19.110
locate Chad and Lori. 2.07 p.m. Hermosillo arrived in Hawaii
775
00:48:19.130 --> 00:48:23.170
on on January 24, 2020. He went to assist in
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00:48:23.230 --> 00:48:26.929
serving a court order to produce Tylee and JJ in Rexburg.
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Lori was served the order the next day. Hermosillo says
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he observed the Kauai Police Department serve two search warrants,
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one on Chad and Lori's condo, the other on their
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00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:42.070
rental car. 2.08 p.m. Hermosillo says everything looked normal at
781
00:48:42.090 --> 00:48:46.050
the condo. There were beach towels, food in the fridge, couches,
782
00:48:46.190 --> 00:48:50.360
everything seemed ordinary, he says. JJ and Tylee were not there.
783
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.019
There was nothing that showed a child or teenager lived
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00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.599
at the condo. And again, that's because these kids were
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00:48:56.619 --> 00:48:59.420
dead already. This lady's out here living her best life
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with Mr. Stunat over here. And meanwhile, these kids are
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00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:08.590
buried in the pet cemetery at Chad Daybell's house. 2.09 p.m.
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Lori Vallow never produced her children to the Rexburg Police
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00:49:12.309 --> 00:49:15.849
Department of Department of Health and Welfare. Wood asked to
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00:49:15.889 --> 00:49:19.929
present another exhibit. 210. The exhibit is a photo of
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00:49:19.969 --> 00:49:25.119
Tylee Ryan taken from her Instagram account. 212 PM. Wood
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00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.239
asked Hermosillo what the phrase proof of life means to him.
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00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.940
He says it's anything they can use to prove the
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00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.559
last time somebody was seen alive. Hermosillo says the last
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00:49:34.579 --> 00:49:37.820
known proof of life for Tylee was taken from Lori's
796
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.260
Lori for Style iCloud account. It was a picture of
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00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:46.820
Tylee taken at West Yellowstone. 2.14. Wood asked to admit
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00:49:46.940 --> 00:49:50.909
more photos. Boyce asked for a quick sidebar. 2.16 p.m.
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The exhibits are admitted without objection. 2.18 p.m. Hermosillo says
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they were unable to find any photos showing Tylee alive
801
00:50:00.300 --> 00:50:03.849
after the Yellowstone picture. So that's just creepy. You look
802
00:50:03.869 --> 00:50:07.869
at this picture of Tylee Ryan, J.J. Vallow, and that
803
00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:11.690
beaver-faced piece of shit Alex Cox standing here at Yellowstone,
804
00:50:12.329 --> 00:50:15.440
and my contempt just continues to grow. Not only were
805
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.059
these poor kids murdered, they were murdered by the people
806
00:50:18.099 --> 00:50:20.340
they trust the most in this world. And to me,
807
00:50:20.380 --> 00:50:23.320
that makes it even more abhorrent. This little boy went
808
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:26.159
with his uncle, thinking everything was all good, and then
809
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.699
his uncle kills him? There is not a hell hot
810
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:33.760
enough for somebody like Alex Cox. 2.21 p.m. Next exhibit
811
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.099
is a photo of JJ sitting on the couch in
812
00:50:36.139 --> 00:50:40.219
apartment 175. The picture was on the Lori for Style account.
813
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.579
And he's wearing the red pajamas that he was actually
814
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:48.579
found in when his remains were located. 2.22 p.m. The
815
00:50:48.619 --> 00:50:53.800
photo was taken September 22, 2019 at 11.46 a.m. Here
816
00:50:53.860 --> 00:50:55.989
is the picture. And when you click on the link,
817
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you'll be able to check these pictures out as well. 2.24 p.m.
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00:51:00.260 --> 00:51:04.070
Rexburg police reached out to the family, FBI, anybody that
819
00:51:04.090 --> 00:51:06.309
would take our calls, in the search for the kids,
820
00:51:06.570 --> 00:51:10.710
Hermosillo says, 2.25 p.m. During the search for the kids,
821
00:51:10.949 --> 00:51:15.050
Hermosillo was aware of an investigation in Fremont County regarding
822
00:51:15.110 --> 00:51:18.619
the suspicious death of Tammy Daybelt, Chad's wife. She died
823
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:23.809
on October 19, 2019. Imagine having all these deaths around you,
824
00:51:24.050 --> 00:51:27.230
all these people who are relatively healthy, and then children
825
00:51:27.250 --> 00:51:30.530
who are definitely healthy, just start dropping dead. Oh yeah,
826
00:51:30.570 --> 00:51:32.949
nobody's going to have any questions for you and your
827
00:51:32.989 --> 00:51:36.230
skafooza-ass girlfriend, wife, whatever you want to call her, as
828
00:51:36.250 --> 00:51:41.449
you're traipsing around on the beach in Hawaii, you moron. 2.27 p.m.
829
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Voice calls for an afternoon break. Court will be held
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00:51:44.849 --> 00:51:47.719
tomorrow from 8.30 to 3.30, but there will be no
831
00:51:47.780 --> 00:51:52.599
court on Friday. 2.56 p.m. We're back in the courtroom.
832
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Jurors take their seats. Hermosillo remains on the stand. 257.
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00:51:57.940 --> 00:52:01.019
Wood asked Hermosillo if he ever executed a search warrant
834
00:52:01.420 --> 00:52:04.960
on Chad Daybell's house in Fremont County. He has. He
835
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:08.760
served the warrant on June 9, 2020. He arrived at
836
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:12.650
around 7 a.m. 3 p.m. Wood moves to admit a
837
00:52:12.670 --> 00:52:16.570
Google Earth image showing Daybell's property. Hermosillo is familiar with
838
00:52:16.610 --> 00:52:19.590
the general layout of the yard and the house. 303 p.m.
839
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Hermosillo says the FBI, the FBI ERT, Evidence Recovery Team,
840
00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:30.659
the AG, Fremont County Sheriff's Office, and Rexburg Police conducted
841
00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:33.400
the search warrant. Boyce asked to have a sidebar with
842
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:36.559
the attorneys about the exhibit, and they go back into
843
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:41.679
the chambers. 3.10 p.m. Hermosillo explains who he was with
844
00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:44.800
when they arrived at Chad's house. They knocked on the
845
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:47.929
front door, and Mark Daybell, Chad's son, answered. He was
846
00:52:47.969 --> 00:52:51.300
eating cereal. Mark said his dad was still sleeping. Mark
847
00:52:51.340 --> 00:52:53.539
let the police in and showed them where Chad was
848
00:52:53.579 --> 00:52:57.780
sleeping in a bedroom above the garage. 3.11 p.m. Chad
849
00:52:57.820 --> 00:53:00.960
asked to get dressed and met officers downstairs. They gave
850
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:03.739
him the warrant, and Chad asked to speak with his attorney.
851
00:53:04.260 --> 00:53:07.409
Chad called Mark Means, his attorney at the time. Chad
852
00:53:07.449 --> 00:53:09.780
sat on a recliner in the front room and read
853
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.409
through the search warrant. He asked if he needed to leave.
854
00:53:12.829 --> 00:53:14.750
Police told him he didn't need to leave, but if
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00:53:14.769 --> 00:53:16.989
he chose to stay, he would be accompanied by an
856
00:53:17.070 --> 00:53:22.619
officer for safety purposes. 3.13 p.m. Chad asked to make
857
00:53:22.659 --> 00:53:25.699
a phone call and went outside. Hermosillo went with him.
858
00:53:26.179 --> 00:53:28.090
Chad asked to sit in the car to make his call.
859
00:53:28.469 --> 00:53:31.590
Hermosillo stood in the grass near the vehicle. Wood shows
860
00:53:31.650 --> 00:53:38.349
a satellite map displaying Daybell's property. 3.14 p.m. Hermosillo uses
861
00:53:38.429 --> 00:53:40.769
a laser pointer to show on the map where he
862
00:53:40.829 --> 00:53:43.230
and Chad were in the front of the home. He
863
00:53:43.269 --> 00:53:46.789
shows where the shop, back driveway, and pasture areas are. 3.16 p.m.
864
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.389
Hermosillo says as the call progressed, Chad had the phone
865
00:53:52.429 --> 00:53:55.150
in his right hand and was intently looking over his
866
00:53:55.190 --> 00:53:57.869
right shoulder. I found it odd. I wanted to see
867
00:53:57.929 --> 00:54:00.690
what he was looking at, so I maneuvered myself to
868
00:54:00.750 --> 00:54:04.519
see what he was so intently looking at. 3.17 p.m.
869
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Hermosillo says law enforcement officers were marking off different areas
870
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.340
on the property. There were some ERT members marking off
871
00:54:12.380 --> 00:54:14.969
a section under the tree right next to the pond area,
872
00:54:14.989 --> 00:54:18.269
Hermosillo says, pointing with a laser to the area on
873
00:54:18.289 --> 00:54:23.280
the map. 3.22 p.m. Hermosillo says ERT members marked off
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00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:26.619
places under the tree near the pond. They marked off
875
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:30.389
a 6x6 section. There was taller shrubs in the middle
876
00:54:30.769 --> 00:54:33.190
of the 6x6 section. It looked like there was a
877
00:54:33.210 --> 00:54:35.710
little bit of grass, the length of sod, and some
878
00:54:35.750 --> 00:54:38.510
dirt protruding through the grass. So if it looks like
879
00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:41.750
there's a burial ground somewhere or anything's been disturbed, you
880
00:54:41.769 --> 00:54:45.030
better believe ERT is going to find out. These are
881
00:54:45.070 --> 00:54:46.829
the best guys in the world, guys and gals in
882
00:54:46.849 --> 00:54:50.250
the world, doing this job. So... When these guys show
883
00:54:50.289 --> 00:54:54.949
up at your property, forget it. You're in big trouble. 3.24 p.m.
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Hermosillo says as they remove the first layer of ground,
885
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he smelled decomposing body. There were white rocks under the
886
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dirt and there were boards below the white rocks. After
887
00:55:05.510 --> 00:55:08.829
the boards were removed, there was a discoloration in the dirt.
888
00:55:09.250 --> 00:55:13.139
It was wet and moist. Chad sits motionless as this
889
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.900
is being described. 3.26 p.m. After they removed the dirt,
890
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police found a black round object. It appeared to take
891
00:55:21.050 --> 00:55:24.309
the shape of the crown of a human head, Hermosillo says.
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00:55:25.329 --> 00:55:27.929
At that point, the ERT team leader made a slit
893
00:55:27.949 --> 00:55:30.210
in the black plastic. He kind of opened it up
894
00:55:30.230 --> 00:55:32.909
a little bit. Underneath the black plastic was another white
895
00:55:32.969 --> 00:55:36.559
layer of plastic. Underneath that, it looked to be brown
896
00:55:36.619 --> 00:55:42.780
human hair, Hermosillo says. 3.28 p.m. Hermosillo says at this point,
897
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Chad was leaving his daughter's residence, Kitty Corner, to Chad's
898
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:48.559
house at a high rate of speed. Police followed him
899
00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:51.500
and took him into custody. Why are you dipping? Why
900
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:56.130
are you driving away at a high rate of speed, stupid? 3.29 p.m.
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Hermosillo says under the tree, they discovered a small body
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wrapped in black plastic. And on that note, Boyce dismisses
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the jurors. There is one additional item Boyce wishes to
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discuss after they leave. 3.32 p.m. Boyce wants to clarify
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stipulations on evidence the prosecutors in defense previously agreed to
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admit without argument. 3.35 p.m. Nothing further to discuss today.
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Court is adjourned. We'll be back tomorrow at 8.30 a.m.
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All right, folks. So there is the first day of
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Chad Daybell's trial, opening statements, and a witness taking the stand.
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So our format is going to be the same throughout
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this whole trial. And that will include a recap each
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and every day of what took place the day before
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inside of the courtroom. But until then, that's going to
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do it for this one. All of the information that
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goes with this episode can be found in the description box.