EP 465 | Complex Level Standouts

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Toolshed, a podcast covering all levels of professional baseball to help give you the edge in your dynasty leagues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From the MLB draft, all the way to the show, the Toolshed podcast has you covered with rankings, player analysis, and in-depth discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, here's your host, Eric Cross.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, everyone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome into another episode of the toolshed podcast brought to you by Rotobar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is episode 465.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Eric Cross.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a great guest joining us today, but first let's bring in my co-host, Mr. Toby Shulman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be how you do it, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good, Eric.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a really fun episode planned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I love the prospect team episode, so there should be a good one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, go and deep down the prospect levels here, not AAA, not AA, not even high A or low A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to the complex level, talking some complex levels, stands out, so that's easy to end it about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could have weeks ago, whatever it was at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll go over some guys that stood out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the guys that did go up to low A at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of fun names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a great guest to break it all down with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a longtime friend of the show, the most,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the highest amount of guest appearances, I guess you would say, this guy is known across the land for all of his baseball knowledge and wisdom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a host and analyst for fantasy pros and betting pros, co-owner of the in this league pod and creator of the prospect one podcast, Mr. Chris Welsh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: was a boys glad to be here glad to my little in a little corner of the universe I guess I always forget the Arizona side complex side the little baby the baby players that are out there just growing and learning but that I like my little niche area my my Arizona guys obviously the Florida I really wish by the way dream.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for me would be to get out to Florida and just like spend a week just doing complex is I don't need to go to the beach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to go party club and just send me to your two-hour drives between complexes and just let me experience what the Florida ones are because it's second home out here but glad to talk about whatever guys we're going to be hidden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah who needs the beach who needs the party when you get baseball right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially
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[SPEAKER_01]: some great complex level hitters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was always fine, because you know, those are playing dynasty leagues, you know, these are the guys that potentially could be the next top prospects in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some already are on that app as it does now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's always fun to see these guys before they truly make a big in name for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a weird world, and I we've done this before, but it was cool back in the day because when you and Cleg and Eno and I, we all hung out and we went to that backfields of the Rangers, that was like a real experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even though it was instructional league, so it's like a tiny bit different than,
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[SPEAKER_03]: when you're like in a, you know, a scheduled sanctioned game or whatever, but like that was the backfield experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that experience was you go back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's two teams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're seeing some top prospects, alighters over here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jack lighters thrown over on the corner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like that's the weird random stuff that I've experienced all year long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was at it was like the final two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: two days, I went over to the podries, the final two days of rookie ball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just about to end, and they also had a rookie camp going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So as I'm watching, you know, and first of the podries, I don't have a bunch of really great guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying like, uh, birthwick, come in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The whole class come and sits in the stands, but who's coaching with them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie Hammock is coaching with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tim LaCastro is coaching Glenn Hoffman's there, bud black almost through water on me and apologize and I was like, no, that would have been great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so hot out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next day I go to the Dodgers and again, I'm there to see some prospects seeing if we could see any of the new drafted class.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is like the literal final day of complex, while I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And who's coaching the rookie class?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jason Hayward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jason Hayward's out there just like he's managing and then as I'm getting set to film who walks by me Nelson Cruz.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nelson Cruz just walks by me and then Chris I talked to Chris Archer for love and like that's my point the the complex box such a unique experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an experience I love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like to talk about the experience and not just the players sometimes too but that's you got to kind of experience it that when we did that that one time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, instructs and airs on a follow you don't really
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[SPEAKER_03]: vibe and I can't get cross maybe I'm a get Toby Toby has some connection out here now if I can get you guys out here you could experience where you know some days you just go and it's 110 and you're just seeing some weird prospects some days you go and rich hill is throwing 44-year-old throwing to like 17-year-old complex of kids and there's a two-way guy in Joshua and you know it's like that type of stuff happens and I thrive for it and that's why I love going out and I love getting eyes on these guys and trying to highlight or at least you know
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[SPEAKER_03]: boost up a little bit of because we have so much access now with numbers and a lot more information and stuff and data that we can kind of curate pretty quickly who are guys that are shining but that in-person experience I think is still something obviously we cannot replicate without actually being there and there's no cameras and stuff but I'm you can tell I get stoked about doing it and it was a cool experience we got to do across.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely like that day you were mentioned and I was looking over and up there's Alan Jack Lighter and Jack with that going over his pitch grips and stuff like that and I think it was, you know, I'm really, you know, it was broilers and Rangers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like, a journal was pitching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was like a show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like, Dern is like first like, I know they counted like the box score on his B ref page, but it was like his first like outing since being drafted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're like old people, though, because like every time we do a show when there's an extended period of time, this conversation comes up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So someone that's been listening to your show for like five years has heard this like at least four times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, but I'm I'm liking it to just it was that that
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[SPEAKER_03]: rookie balls unique and there's bridgly going on right now which is like another version of instructional league and it's just Arizona is a very interesting spot for just a lot of access and just a lot of like young talented players and there were quite a few players I know some were going to talk about at least on the Arizona side of guys that stood in complex ball
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[SPEAKER_03]: kind of, for me, shockingly, a few of them that stuck around for the time that they did because I really thought they were talented players, but so much might that be about baseball and the, the, the maturation system, the, you get extra roster spots in rookie ball, not wanting to advance players too much, maybe based on what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know
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[SPEAKER_03]: even know what the extent of it is, but there's quite a few like really talented players that didn't, we always focus on the modays who jump rookie ball and go to A and have these create and kind of Griffin, who at 19 gets to the majors, but you know, there are some really talented players that sometimes don't get that boost and stay at a level, and we got to be careful about not necessarily knocking those players, because sometimes I show us like an organizational process that they want to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The reds, I know we're going to talk about one of those reds guys, that seems to be something they specifically like to do, and I don't think it's something
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[SPEAKER_03]: but yeah, there's so much to talk about in rookie ball and so much potential value for like dynasty owners in those players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like there's always, it's like you always do something new every year, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to show you in that absolutely speak to that more than I can's you're out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always good that you see something new every year, something cool, whether it be, you know, like you said, certain guy that's out there, that you never, like Jason Hayward's coaching, like, just, Jason Hayward was the shit for a few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just love, I was super high on Hayward back in this early Atlanta day, as I thought, that was a guy that was one of my early, my home keeper league, one of my early keepers, that we started that league back then, and I was like, don't, no one's getting Hayward from me, and then obviously, you kind of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is that a little bit and wasn't like a stud, but yeah, seeing those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Three years ago, a really one that blew my mind was, it was like, at that time, I want to see it was 26 years old, but like, Corey Ray ended up being the manager for the Cubs out here in Complex, Bonnie did it for two or three years and you're just like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: do you should still be out there playing like you're not you're not just in great shape but you're still young you could make a comeback so whether it's like you know retired stars that just show up I mean I met Mark McGuire a couple years ago when Mark McGuire's kid who now got traded was pitching and yeah the whether whether teams are employing like instructional elements of former players or they're coming to watch or their guests it's just
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, but we love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we love talking everything from the majors down to the draft and rookie ball on this podcast and that's why we love doing this complex type of episode as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of fun names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got 11 names here on the outline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Six in the ears on a complex and five in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start over in Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I start with a guy who led the complex level in hits by a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: by and large.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like 15, the 20 hits about anybody else in the Arizona complex level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Christian Arguelis from the Colorado Rockies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gotten up to low A now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd been up there for 11 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had 333 up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in the complex level, 402, 478, 671 slash on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 88 hits just 57 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had 32 extra base hits, nine moms, 10 steals, almost as many walks as right goes, 30 walks to 31 K's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, really starting to build a big name for himself in the dynasty world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, which thoughts on him?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was one of my favorites to see out here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got a fun video whenever he's brought up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I I mentioned it was over at the Padres facility.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can find you in the search as name or whatever on my Twitter, and he just like Easy smack of this triple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a little bit of win going on, but just annihilates his buff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember correct.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say it was like maybe just in her field, but Easy triple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He puts together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a beautiful swing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really good approach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a tiny bit of hesitation that just built in me, and I think it's the Robert Coloss, hesitation, because when Robert Coloss was out here, monster.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're talking bat speed, everything off of his bat was super hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: really impressive athlete like he kind of had the swagger of it and I think he's definitely got there's been like a sense of being humbled.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Arizona is a really hitter friendly environment, but I think there's some traits to him that I would put over, not just like, colossus, by the way, but like a lot of other prospects in that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back to back years between the Dominican Summer League and the complex league of hitting 400.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a ridiculous feat of being able to do that, showing power, showing speed, showing in-game extra base ability.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe the most important of it, because this is something, even though it can be kind of wonky, so like the wonky pitching that can happen in the Arizona Faldi can be, you know, just really bad pitching, then all of a sudden you can just have like a
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[SPEAKER_03]: injured picture that's going to pitch for like a month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what I'm getting at is you can have all these different experiences.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What could happen with that sometimes is you could still have guys that just have like a big swing and miss approach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Our arguments doesn't have that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's a 12% capercentage across both levels.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A 12% capercentage in the complex league.
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[SPEAKER_03]: An almost 12% walk rate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he was just a beast day in and day out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that team was pretty talented by the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It had, oh, God, De La Cruz.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Alexander De La Cruz or Alexander De La Cruz and forgetting the first name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a point where
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, now I'm forgetting, I got to go look at the, what was the guy's name, very popular.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to kill me if I don't do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't burrito.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dallas was here for a little bit, and then, oh my gosh, I'm so, I'm not doing horror.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to kill myself until I figure what it is here, but that is like strong core of like four or five hitters that they were putting out on the top end of the order.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Argilus was hitting in the middle of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's really where I was trying to get with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As I try to figure out who the guy is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was in the new Bowman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing that's killing me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was in one of the new Bowman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll figure out who it is in a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's destroying me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this really core hitting side built around this guy that doesn't strike out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He gets on base, strong triples, the extra base hits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's where we're getting at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And
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[SPEAKER_03]: I find it a little bit hard to like where you want to pinpoint exactly putting him but I think he has like the material and the stuff to be a guy that looks like a like a top 100 prospect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I want to end up sitting on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of where I'm getting out with him now is he's in that range where I'm like, all right, you know, when my next updates come out and about about a week from now probably next Monday and I'm like, all right, is he toppled 100?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's definitely at least in that discussion, we'll see if he does sneak in for me or not, but yeah, all the tools are definitely there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, extra bass hits for days, guys, even now, you know, hitting 3303 in the first 11 games in low A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: carried over in, you know, and that approach, you know, even more walks than Case and Lowe so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really good approach, you know, the solid power, what a bit speed as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think there's a lot to like here with what are our gosh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ashley and you are that was the name that I would just stop functioning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you are was out here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Dallas was out here for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you had, uh, you had our boy just hitting like in the middle of that crew.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to have to get it or my brain would have literally exploded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I not to ask you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get it eventually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You knew it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see it's face.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could see his face.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think he was one of the more talented.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe one of the more underrated prospects here because we're going to talk about a couple of the big names that we're out here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I guess this was one of those guys that produced day in and day out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I will say there is something to that in the hey day of what I think was like complex.
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[SPEAKER_03]: was like, there was a year where it was a Corbin Carol at CJ Abrams and Bobby Whit Jr. and they were all here, Luis Mattoes, every single one of them was here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there were a bunch of other talented guys, but the thing that would stand out, whether it's a place like the Complex League or a place like the Arizona Fall League, as well, I remember Predomo did this and look at where he's gotten to, is when you see guys produce every single day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously guys can have this big outputs and it's like, oh, here's a two-homer game and then a week later here's a home But like there are these guys at every time you see them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're doing something big and they're doing something special or they're just doing something to improve the team and help He was one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't necessarily say that a hundred percent to all the guys We're gonna talk about here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was one of those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just really think he's a super underrated prospect Maybe maybe the most underrated prospect that came out of the Arizona complex league this this year
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's high praise right there for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Toby, what do you thoughts here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think our gallows is a top 100 guy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the future, I think he for sure could be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you guys mentioned, I mean, with the approach, there's really not a lot to dislike with what he's done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that this complex season really just put them on the map to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think for
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[SPEAKER_02]: those people like, you know, you, Eric and you, well, shoe are already watching these young guys in the complex and in the DSL, you're kind of hesitant to buy into these repeat DSL guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But our goal is to show no sign that he shouldn't be bought into a little bit after this, amazing extent in the complex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the biggest thing for me is if you can just continue to make that really consistent contact as he progresses, should be sure top 100 guy I feel like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he does chase a considerable amount out of the zone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you make contact that doesn't really matter as much, so I'm just kind of eyeballing that contact rate of it, everything else I think is pretty sound right now, the power is not non-existent either, so you kind of hope that maybe develops over time as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Excited to watch as he progresses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I do share a little bit of the skepticism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It comes just to the Rockies in general, and it's almost like, some of their developmental shortcomings overshadow like the site when I get nowadays when, you know, like a, a cool Z-hitter goes to call right on the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at that work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What could they be in chorus on the road?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a, like a penny month summary, and then these kind of mess up their development, so you never get to see them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in course field so yeah me glad it's going to fall down right because this year so hopefully we're not looking at you know 2.0 version here but yeah a lot to like with our galas yeah these definitely been one of the hottest hitters in the lower levels of the miners and you know finishing a season strong right now
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[SPEAKER_01]: in low A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we'll go over to a Cincinnati red now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got that was the number nine pick in the 2005 or 2005, geez, 2025, Major League Baseball draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's steel hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great name for a baseball player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it gives me that whole time baseball player in the 1920s name
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, 288, 387, 518, slash line, 18 doubles, 10 home runs, 24 steels, only caught six times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at these seven amount of walks, 35 walks in 270 play appearances, also a little bit swing a mess here, definitely more so than with our gallows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 65 straightouts in 58 games at the complex gone up to low a for the last 10 games to 12 so far he doesn't have 3 81 OBP 0 extra base hits so far though and 13 k's in 10 games so well it's another toolsy you know middle-end field prospect
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what about the sweetness issues here kind of like, you know, Tyson Lewis before him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, you know, directly comparing the two, but there's another fun, but slightly flawed Midland field project here from the Red.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So where do you foster steel hall?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a guy that's talking about where it seems like the reds just have a thing, you know, like they don't press their guys coming out at like I don't and by the way, I could be have just completely missed it and again the sound down here, but I don't know if they've done anything, not when I look before I say it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, okay, like Justin LeBron, I know he's here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he might have just gotten pushed up to high A.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This looks like the reason because he is on their roster, but like when they get these high school guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just sit them for the bridge leak and they sit them for the season and then they're kind of like Tyson Lewis did the same thing last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He started at complex and then he kind of moved up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they slow roller.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you I saw steel probably more than any of the prospects that we're going to talk about and I think he's a minute on the base path.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've said this multiple times this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I go back to the very first time I saw him, which was in minor league spring training and Emilio Pagot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Emilio Pugon and Brady Singer came out to pitch and it was against minor leaders and Steel Hall was up and Emilio Pugon was pitching and Steel Hall ended up like
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[SPEAKER_03]: think he generated a walk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was a little swing happy, generated a walk, and then he's still like second and third.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he kind of just did that all year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's a menace when he gets on the base paths.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But his bat is really in question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's some like shining moments of it, but where I talked about like arguments who's out there and just consistently just having like really good at bats and stuff, steel didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, a 24% k percentage in complex.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a bit hot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially for theoretical like advanced high school bat he's short-stent, but in A ball he's run that back up to a 31% strikeout rate And that's been his problem like there's some swinging miss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the bat is as advanced as a lot of us feel like it was Castile was kind of like You remember there was like that group was like Daniel Pierce and steel haul and I feel like there was someone else in there that people were kind of getting excited about and
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe there was something more to steal being held back here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was like a really high strikeout, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They really, and my mind kind of punished him a little bit by just staying out here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's, you don't see it often where a guy finishes the entire complex year, but especially someone like steel, someone of high draft capital, someone who he did just turn 19 years old, so it's not like he was out of place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess what I would say is I think he will always be a huge source of base stealing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm concerned with what he's going to be able to do with his bat in less he really like advances each level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You saw he was really, really pull heavy and complex, and that's that's not the case right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, I don't know if it's high-vellow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's struggling with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen some high-vellow struggles out here in a couple different spots that I saw him that he's hitting a lot of opposite field stuff and he's having a lot of strikeout issues and its median contact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just have questions that I don't know if the bats ever are aware and how long it's going to take for him to be super super impactful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do say that of him as a guy that has hit 10 homers and still 24 bases in 58 games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think things are going to slow a little bit and he might take a little bit more time to mature and maybe he is a questionable top 100
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it would be out of character for someone to want to rank a guy like argue this above Steel Hall in Dynastee League.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just have some, I have a lot more questions about the bat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And unfortunately, I had, I've talked a couple of people about this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had two different sides.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had this one group of people out here telling me steel Hall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was one of the best, this is last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the best instructional leagues I had seen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I had another group telling me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the worst that I've ever seen and I really haven't had that with a prospect before where two different people that I trust telling me that he was the best and the worst at the same time I just don't know if there was a moment where I really felt like, oh, this is changed and click I just think the bat is going to the bat is the thing that's going to hold him back a little bit, but if things do work out I do think he's like a 15 30 type of guy, you know, I don't know if the power is going to even get that much bigger, but if he's a fifth
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[SPEAKER_03]: 15, 30, 15, 35 type of guy like there's a lot of fantasy value in that, but he's going to have to hit for average and consistent average if he's going to be a guy that's hitting at the top of the lineup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He did that in complex, but as he's moved to a new level he's hitting to 12.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's see how he adjusts over the next month or so if you can lower that strikeout rate and get that contact back up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think he might be training at least for me because I think I was a little bit high on him training in like a little bit opposite direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I was a little low on him, you know, FYPD time last year, but then I started seeing some reports about, you know, some of the underlying, you know, EV data and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, all right, I think I end up later on in the process, but they came up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he's kind of come as advertising.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know he was, you know, phenomenal athlete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He mentioned this in absolute minutes in the base paths.
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[SPEAKER_01]: getting on stealing bags and doing so at a high clip and thankfully, you know, drugs are good amount of walks so that helps, you know, push up that OPP to get them on base where he can do that damage on the base pad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it definitely, you know, a very fun profile, but, you know, like, you know, Tyson Lewis and I say it a different way, definitely a flawed profile.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Tyson Lewis was like, just like a thick, big dude who just had like crazy, big EVs that the reported, I still know the reality of it, but there was reported what I was at the game and I actually had to literally leave and like 10 minutes later he hits his 118 off the bat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and that was in stadium and like but Lewis is just like it's a little bit different of a vibe of a guy which by the way is very funny because I remember them walking together and they spent the most time together in minor league extended spring training at the end of spring training they were always together was those two but he's just bigger he's more of a future power bat probably speed comes down a little bit where steel hall is like he's going to just he's going to thrive into those stolen bases like that's going to be the thing if he can continue to walk and get on base
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[SPEAKER_03]: a name for himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it depends what your mental approach to him is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're like, wow, 10 homers, 24 stolen bases in 58 games, that means he's a 20 50 guy and it's like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that that's going to quite be like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to be a sub 20 homer guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, it's a great ballpark to hit in and he's going to have to like have solid contact numbers and the strikeout rates can have to get lower for him to be able to steal 40 or 50 bases or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, super interesting profile.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Toby, what are your thoughts on this fun profile of Steel Hall?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I agree with everything well said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the approach and the plate discipline is still very raw, like you mentioned, just a very fresh 19 year old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to think at some point that'll get slightly better, but you see the peaks and valleys with what he was doing in the complex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pop the near 1111 mile an hour max EV and just didn't really show great average exit velocities other than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really for me just can he create more consistent in game power and you know we know that what he's going to do in the basis is it's going to provide but it's really just can that in game power get a bit more consistent for me because I don't really see the overall approach getting miles better any time soon, especially in the red system too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: get on that that's that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely they've a type, you know, like Cleveland's type that Cleveland has a type when we talked about the last episode we got on how and now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where it's like, all right, I think, you know, contact and approach from the figure out the rest later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hit the reds are like, kind of banking on upside, and hopefully every time then they hit on an LED of the cruise and it kind of makes it work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but their hit rates stinks like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was the highest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Collier was so talented.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I mean, Hector Rodriguez has been, I don't want to pick on him at all, because he's been great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he got call of the majors in Alaska.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, there, there's something in the translation of either, like the process getting there or the translation from AAA into the majors,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they have a really great hit rate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Ellie is like a freak in his own thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like where are the rest of the big hits that they have personally developed?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're really slow pacing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of struggles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like do know has been super slow pace, but he's coming together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe this new approach, maybe it's like, let's be really, really slow with a lot of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's let them experience every little bit, go through every bit of adversity, and then start to bring them up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know, I don't, I'm not sure we should have like great faith right now in like the development that they've been putting together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But all they do is put out like fun guys, like Justin LeBron, that's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like one of the most fun potential guys out of this draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know which way it's gonna go, but it's like Newellvy, you know, there's just, so I don't, I don't know, I don't feel super, super positive about like how they've, what their development looks like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If that's an extra little piece for how you evaluate a certain prospect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no absolutely fairly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next one though, we're going to assist him that, you know, many consider to be the best system in all baseball and if another fun lower level guy here, going to the Milwaukee Brewers with Brailin and Tunis 18 years old, the guy that I was actually pretty high on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he signs, and then just had a terrible showing in the DSL last year, I hit 250 and only had one bomb, 55 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just terrible showing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then this year, he has come back with a vengeance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the rookie ball, at the complex, he had 282, 382, 505, 14 doubles, four triples, nine bombs, 13 steals, then up in low A, Wilson, the Warbirds, and they knew team name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like that name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 409, 519, 841 with five bombs and 60Os in the first 12 games at that well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely a fun little power speed blend here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They shown kind of all season, but y'all sweat 81 strikeouts in 58 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely a little bit of a swing and miss issue here with Antonis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But definitely got us, that's fun about getting a little overshadowed by just all the other names in the system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, that pay rates pretty high for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you went for the complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a great, you know, strict outreach show there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you thought's here on Antonis Welsh?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's weird, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just missed and I'm so bummed I missed because that brewer's team was one of the more like every year in complex There's like Maybe two teams a year that seemed really talented and then there's like like really really talented by the way Like there's always like fun guys, but they'll all said and it'll be like wow There's like five guys you want to see and that was with the brewer's and I just kind of missed them a bunch but
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's weird in that like the things that you poke about in complex are things that he fixed in Abel or got better in an Abel because, as you mentioned, 31% capersinage in complex that stinks his average is 282 that doesn't stink, but it's not great according to fan graphs is 61% contact percentage that stinks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but then he goes to a ball that contact percentage went up by like 9% he stopped swinging as much he started pulling the ball more his strikeout rate went down to 22% his average has been up over those 12 games and he's having like this huge power speed combo output but I love a swing I love his approach is like a little there's
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[SPEAKER_03]: early vibes of like a predominant in there to me, but I think there's more power.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a really interesting swing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the stolen bases continue to materialize even though they've been really great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got 19 this year over 70 games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think he's in the the making.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it looks like a guy to me that's going to end up being like a 2015 maybe a, you know, 2020 guy if things work out in a really good range.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I still have questions about the average and I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: the weird output, except I'd multiple people tell me about Antonas, by the way, which is funny, because people weren't at the same token.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we're gonna talk about them, but Alexander Freyos was on this team, and more people were telling me about Antonas, than they were about Freyos, even though Freyos is like the dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think like because of,
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[SPEAKER_03]: these peaks and valleys you got to pay a little bit more attention long term for him because it's like okay DSL bad then he gets good and then complex was like okay with some bad and then it got bet you know so like what's the real story I just want to see a little bit more this could be one of the ones I'm really bummed out about it with however this season goes I guess they can solve a minor league season if they have a lockout and stuff like that so hopefully he continues to roll I just want to lose development on this guy but I think he's got the makings right now of
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, player that can sit like in the top 200 if you want to be really optimistic because of the Brewers, you can make him even a little bit higher, but I got some reservations about the strikeout rate, but I really do like the swing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the swing is like a big air pole type of thing and it's going to generate some some really good potential homers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if the batting average is going to carry as he moves through the system.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like I said, I think generously like as a top 200 guy is the range I would probably put him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think you're doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a really fun bat and I mean, he really just kind of shot onto my radar when I saw the swings he was pulling off early in in low way and I did not know that the EVs were as you know, elite as they were in the complex, I mean, even 90, almost 109 is crazy for a guy like him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he looked at the spray chart, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of doing a lot of damage up the middle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm curious to see like kind of wealth alluded to earlier, you know, can he tap into being a more poll-heavy hitter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already done that in a low-ay, but you know, I'm just kind of holding out to see how sustainable all this production is, like 50% of his flyballs are leaving the yard for homers right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just kind of want to just tread lightly with what he's done in low-ay so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: approach isn't great, but when you have the power that he's shown, you know, I'm intrigued nonetheless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like we talked more with the system, I feel good about Milwaukee fixing some of these issues and like some other organizations like Cincinnati, for example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, except I like them a good bit when he was signed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that power speed blend that he showed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you never know at that time, I never usually talk about the hit tool at that time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I haven't seen these guys, I'll set up the video we get from the DR or your men's way or wherever they're from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I could, you know, me never know how the hit tool is going to go with these guys until they get into game actions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was having unknown at that time and kind of, you know, still isn't unknown for him at this time, even though he's shown me to have a good, there's some good power, they got to run a little bit too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the upside is absolutely there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, he's off to a really good start in low A as well as 18-year-olds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's nice to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you mentioned, well, some of those issues with the K-rated whatnot have come down, granted this small sample size, but still that's encouraging to see, you know, rather have, you see this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even in this small sample size, as opposed to, I'm, you know, 35% K-rated through his first 12 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like to see that, so you know, we'll see if this continues because yeah, he could be guy that definitely shoots up rankings in rest of the season and into next year, next guy here, you know, teammate of his down in a different organization and I almost put this guy on the list is because he spent as many games in low way now as he did in the complex, but his numbers were so stupidly good in the complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to put him on there and that's, you know, then we'll show that a couple of minutes ago, Alex and her free us, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with St. Louis going over in that dust and May, Joe Joe Romero trade along with Josiah Ragset, which was a phenomenal work by Heinblum there in that deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the crap on Heinblum a lot, but he did a lot good in that trade for sure getting those two fun guys, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you free us in the complex level, hit 441, 518, 678, he had 12 home, 12 doubles, 4 home runs, 12 steals, 16 locks to 21 straightouts, that was in 32 games, and he's still down a little bit here in low A, but he still very, very young for the level, and still hitting some bombs, still on some bags, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: approach is so pretty solid but just hitting, you know, a 236, you know, in low-A with an up to 86 since the trade in only four games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, not quite as dominant in low-A, but man, his complex level, you know, showing was really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, what do you think here on Alexander Friass Welsh?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's electric.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, uh, this is, this is the one that got away for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, if I could, I am, this is probably the least, like insanely aggressive I was because I've had
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[SPEAKER_03]: fellas where I would be like our family seal it like every day like I'm every single complex team and that can take a toll on you when it's like the hot as hot as it is I feel like 110 and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This year laid back a little bit on it and was a little bit more picky and choosey and one of the games I think the group the game got like canceled or whatever and I couldn't see but the freehouse was the guy that I had targeted for long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that I wanted to go see because, you know, got reports on it and, you know, then shockingly, he got traded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not expect for him to be involved in a trade because, though, while I think the comparisons that people were doing because of just the similarities of a guy moving, you know, dominating complex and, you know, being able to move up quicker was unfair that people were doing because they look at brewers and they're like, Cheerio and Ma Day and Paynean and they just say,
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[SPEAKER_03]: there's also a reason like why they treat like not to say that they're not into Alexander Friaz but I don't think it was in the same tier so I think there were unfair expectations but I was very bummed because this is a play I would have liked to have seen a whole lot because he absolutely dominated out here and I think he's got an I love his approach I think he's got an electric approach like I think as he matures you know that the low K rate the nice walk rate that feels great he's hitting for average you know obviously for the most part we can
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think this has the makings of a profile that can
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[SPEAKER_03]: be like a lower average, which sure he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is Cheerio?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cheerio's kind of like a 25, 25 type of guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I would not be shocked if Fria's just kind of a consistent 2020 player long term.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think the power is going to continue to catch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's young, but I think those ex-evilocities are going to roll.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's a dude that is going to kind of continue to roll out some really good pull rates as he gets into higher levels.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, he is being challenged.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing, the brewer's pushed a lot of players and he got challenged and you know going to a ball on earth a few things I think the cardinal stuff is tough to say because like it's just too small of a sample said he's got 56% contact rate like that's not to say he's been in the like
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[SPEAKER_03]: mid to higher 70s through out his run with Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's just a little bit too early.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think he's a super, super athletic guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's right on the cusp of being a top 100 player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might get a little bit, then might come back down a little bit if this struggle continues, because you will have to look and say, well, awesome complex level player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But as soon as you got to able the whole thing struggle, that's where I think you're going to start to look at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: us seeing the warts on free us a little bit and saying like all right he's got to be outside the top one 50 or whatever but um i think it's a great organization for him to be and if you're going to go away from the uh the brewers i like the cardinals i love the way they've drafted and i like some of the development on the hitters so i think free us is in a really good spot i'll take any discount i think is actually a really good case to have discounts on a guy like uh free us right now because of some of these struggles but i think there's a lot of things he's
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if the strikeout rates were higher, I would be a little bit more concerned, but they're not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm totally on for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even though we hit 236 in Milwaukee's low aid before the trade, you only had a 20% key rate in 10 and a half percent of walk rate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's still a lot of fun under the hood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the power projection here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think you can really even be, you know, if everything clicked, and he really gets to that potential in that power department, maybe a 25 to 30 home rank guy, just
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they can much, you see, so pretty good, you know, athlete as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think he'll lose a ton of speed even if he does bulk up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's pretty, pretty fun overall profile here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, definitely a really hot name right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, for you, Toby, though, how, how hard, you know, you would you be okay putting free off it in, you know, a prospect record, you know, do you think he's a top 100 guy right now, or are you still waiting to see a look more for them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm certainly waiting to see a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm always hesitant to just throw a rookie ball guy and a guy who's seen just a little bit of low-way into a, into a top 100 ranking or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you can see the makings of that kind of prospect with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing that I love the most about what he's done is the raw power is just serious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that he just excels at taking the ball the other way to just to me proves that he is a more advanced header than I think a lot of people will give him credit for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: pull the ball in the air a little bit more or whatever, but I think that could come over time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that it's a lot easier to teach someone how to pull the baseball than it is to teach them how to take the ball the other way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm just excited to see again how this guy progresses and, you know, to see how that bad-adball profile kind of changes over time, but right now it's just really fun to watch and take it, bats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and as Taylor said, several of just fun guys in two which is acquired in the in this trade with for us in Raxdale, I love Luna as well in that system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They think, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, those Santos, they get a lot of fun names in that system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The system's definitely gotten better over the last couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go back to the Cincinnati Reds here with I got this maybe the most like off the radar name out of everyone we'll be talking about in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is catcher Durvin Morello.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 19 years old, absolutely dominated in the complex, hitting for a lot of power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was tied for the league lead in home runs and second in x-rays, it's overall behind our gallus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 31 x-rays has total, 13 home runs and 13 doubles, five triples as well in 54 games,
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[SPEAKER_01]: OPS, 44 walks to 61 straightouts, it games up in low-A, Daytona hasn't really done much of anything up there, but definitely was one of the best hitters out in Arizona this year, but well, the same time while he was dominant this year, this guy that has been around for the last few years and had a few years in the DSL, so it's taken him a long time to get to even this level where he was at the complex, so
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything to see here with Marielle or do you think this is just another one of those guys that gets hot in the complex one year and then we just never hear from again?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's an interesting thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know it's funny because you guys asked me this and I was like, I 100% song because I saw steel, but I don't really recall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I had to go back and I was trying to look for some video and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I never was there for any big standout things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the strikeout rate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think it's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You bring up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, though he was in in 2024, he was 17 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has been in the system for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was repeated a couple of years in the Dominican summer league.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a little bit of a smaller body guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like, I don't love the strikeout rate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily, I don't want to be dismissive in cherry pick and be like, well, leading the complex and homers is not that impressive while being excited about other guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But
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[SPEAKER_03]: like it's not crazy when you spend your season in complex to be able to generate some homers but you also don't like just fall into it or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean 332 ISO and complex is impressive but it's a you can see the exposure again in Abel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know he's hitting like 138 over 8 games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is a 30 almost 32 percent k-percent inch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are plenty of guys in my time of doing this if your guys have looked that they just got it learn levels like you get to a level I used to comp this is the old Raphael Devours thing if you were around when Raphael Devours was a minor legal Raphael Devours would like play it a level and then he would go up and then he would struggle and then he would learn the level go up
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he would struggle, you know, it's just like he had to like figure out the levels and then he would dominate it and then go up and then he might struggle and then he would figure it out and it's like some guys have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in I'm not in love with Rilo's profile or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a really great like really deeply fantasy player if you want to take speculative shots, but he's a catcher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a lower.
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[SPEAKER_03]: hitting and lower power profile so I don't have like insane interest in him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would love it to see if he can find something at the end of the season so he's not just a complex guy but so far not so good coming off of complex but like I don't think he's I don't think he's in the conversation of the players that we're talking about right now at least from my level of interest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm definitely right there with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like we see a few of these guys every year where if you're just looking at stats, you make, oh, look at this guy, you can be pretty fun, but yeah, this is, I don't think there's a lot there with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is just too much string of the miss in the profile.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great to see him hit from more power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was pretty fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he mentioned that he was second the league and extra base heads, type of league and home runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if we'll get to see this kind of translate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And eight games, not a huge simple size and low-eye,
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[SPEAKER_01]: not a lot to show of most first eight games so we'll see if he can finish season stronger and maybe make an aim for himself next year but he's just one of those guys to kind of file life for now but I don't really have a lot of intrigue here but Toby do you have any intrigue with Merrill?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No honestly other than just you know the power production that he showed in the complex I mean that's pretty much it for me I mean approach is just shaky and other than that I mean I
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's another one of those power hitting reds prospects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that is a bit intriguing, but when it comes down to it, it's not that serious in terms of long-term interest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, totally fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're all kind of in agreement there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last name for Arizona, and before we head over to Florida, probably he'll be looking at the circumstances, rankings, probably the highest ranked in the highest of value guy of these 11.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Luis Hernandez.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with these San Francisco giants, it was their big signing a last international period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was like a standout number one guy in that international period, but I think the most consensus like favorites, you know, one one per se of that class was her name is for most people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's gone after a pretty good start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's sort of going a little bit since he got the bump to low A, wanting to get in one or two three there, but he's 17.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna really hold that against him,
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the complex 54 games there, 288-382-535 slash line, 19 doubles, 5 cripples, 6 bombs, 60s, 25 blocks to 38k.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's showing a little bit of everything here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of the thing with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote the Scouting Report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, not any huge allowed, like singular tool, but it's really good across the board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's kind of showing that you've given you a little bit of everything out of that profile already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, so I think that's another guy that you said you have seen live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, a lot of hype around Hernandez is it warranted?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, so I got right in because I saw him in his third game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he started off his first two hits in professional baseball where home runs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his third hit was a home run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had no singles, no nothing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the one I have on video.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you can find that on my Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: where you just absolute crush.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say it was an opposite field of Homer if I remember correctly as well, you got to love his approach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's super easy easy power slick defender.
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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I want to say in that game he might end up being like three for four.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he just looked from an age to level perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, oh, this guy is advanced.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's playing with that first game, by the way, it was against Steel Hall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the Reds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was Steel Hall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yosargan's Atlas, Luis Hernandez.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's what complex is made for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he 100% stood up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was much better than Yosar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was much better than Steel Hall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He made it super easy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let the ball travel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he'd got his first non-home run hit in that game as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, things kind of rolled.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm not sure what it was, I don't know, I think it just read like some injury and he might have at least might have tapered out a few games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the power kind of decimated the stolen bases kind of went away, still hit for average.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Low strikeouts, so like a proches fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then what you're seeing is he's moved up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're seeing a strikeout rate that's gone a kind of kind of gone up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But something maybe beyond like batting average in the strikeouts because like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you really want to pick on a 17 year old going to, you know, to a ball and and worrying about strike out after it was 16% at a more age appropriate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's more that I, I wonder what the impact is going, like I think you should be a fantastic player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I wondered what is the impact going to be the long term of the type of player that he's going to be because you see the 17 year old kid hitting home, he's not the biggest guy in the world or do they listen to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 510, 170.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably in the general range.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that the biggest guy in the world?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to be the biggest guy in the world, but I'm just not sure if the real life, the counting stats we're going to look at are going to be something that are going to be tremendous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like 11 homers, 23 stolen bases in a 260 average is pretty impressive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Relatively,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like 450 at bats.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I haven't experiment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing 450 at bats, 11 homers, 23 stolen bases.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's solid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's Bryson's stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's stop right now in the majors and stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't consider like we consider he's okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not even he gets the word solid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you go with the parameters of what do you need for a player to be a really good player, like, is Luis Hernandez dramatically better than a 260 average guy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he going to be, you know, and by the way, that's that's not probably a fair comparison because that's not going to be Luis Hernandez the stop of my point was is like in 450 baths, if like 10 to 11 homers in 20 something stolen bases and a 260 average is like solid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: he's got a lot to work to do because I don't know where the impact I think he's going to just like make contact I think long-term the I'm not worried about the k-percentage stuff, but I just don't know is he going to be more than a 2020 guy That might be the cap on who he is, but he just might hit for like really good average So I haven't sold myself on that all of that to be said
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[SPEAKER_03]: After watching him in person, I went really high on the rank and then I had to come back down a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to bring him back down to earth because I do have those questions about what the overarching big counting stuff is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say from a maturity standpoint, one of the most mature bats I've seen in a long time, especially for his age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, you know, we wanted him to be a top 2015 guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, you know, it's more anywhere in the 25 to 50 range.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think he's special.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to discount that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we should pay attention to what's happening in a ball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And really what next year, you know, after having a full season, he played with his buddy, Joe Swar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they played all year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a lot of hype, like, how does he come back off of that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think if you want to be really timid about it, you should treat him as like just around the top 50 guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then if he comes out the gates hot, he's the type of guy that could be a top 10.
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[SPEAKER_03]: overall player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's where he could go, but I am uncertain of the impact of what he does with the ball, what is that, what that's going to be long-term.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it kind of shows up with eight homer six stolen bases in like 67 games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if I gave you the full take on it, but I saw a ton of him thought it was such a mature approach, but I just didn't see where I was like, wow,
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's that's what 65 grade power looks like and that's what 70 grade right Nope done to that I didn't see any that I saw that's what 70 grade defense looks like incredible shortstop and third base ability But I just don't know if it's ever going to I think the sum of the parts are going to be really fun I just don't know if any certain part is going to carry
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of why I was, I mean, I'd like to earn it as nice to do, but that's going to be my number one international I've from last year, and they got to still like a lot of my Francisco run career, because I saw more, at least when you're looking at a fantasy focused ranking regard, there's more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here in the profile with run three even if you know her name is was was a safer so it's really like what what profile You like you like the safer profiles like going for the upside I think for me with these guys this is the internet guys I do lean more towards the upside and just because you you can turn and burn those guys in your nicely League and if you hit you get in a pencil star player
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never saw like star player with Hernandez again super early and you know still a long way to go for his even you know sniffing the major leagues and uh but this way I think guys like you know Joe Swarka saw us have more upside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny level as a little more upside but yeah Hernandez he's gonna be a major leagueer I'm pretty certain about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel very patient about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah yeah just like you mentioned just the maturity and you know the contract abilities and it maybe it's not
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know bigger power speed maybe it's like 15 20 bombs simply a similar amount of steel something like that but that'll still play but yeah that's why I haven't got like super crazy high with him and rankings yeah but you know I think there's a pressure to get there so Toby thoughts here on Lucia and Andos
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a lot of things that he does really well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The approach was well above average.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a really good average exit velocity in the complex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, when you watch him, you obviously look at him, and you're like, this is very obviously a 17-year-old playing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably above where he should be, or not where he should be, but above where, you know, obviously a majority of kids, his age should be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the glove is just ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of the first plays I saw him make in San Jose was like a mani machado S play going into foul ground, off balance throw to first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the gloves were ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm excited to see where he goes long term.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think third base is the plan for him when it gets to the highest level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But already he's just been so fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I saw the videos of him in the complex sitting homers and
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just excited to see what he does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't even say in that about like all these guys, but I really am like, especially Luis Hernandez, out of the entire bunch, like a lot of the stuff that he doesn't do well right now should improve quite a bit, just based on the type of player that he is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do think that the guy's the limit with him and he's already done some things really, really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's probably the highest ranked guy out of this list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, maybe, you know, one of the what are two of the guys are talking about from Florida might get pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think guys like, you know, haul on our fellow shirt are kind of close, but I think Hernandez is definitely, like, in top 50 for a lot of people right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think you're going to just really see a lot of these other guys top 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe one of the one or two of them here and there, but, yeah, I think you'll get rankings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably the highest by a pretty solid margin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, rightfully so, he's a really good ball player, but I'm not sure I actually like that wow factor with Hernandez.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, going over to Florida, got five more names here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were in a rookie ball or a complex level, only fantasy league, which maybe one of those exists somewhere, you know, in my paper or something or a fan tracks,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's um, it Wilburson, depending it probably was like the guy finish, you know, number one overall in a, you know, complex level fantasy league is with the numbers he put up at the complex were just stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He led the league and heads by an absolute mile with 81.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He led the league in doubles with 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You led the league in home runs with 16 led the league in our BI with 67 slash three could be eight, four, 11, 67
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[SPEAKER_01]: and also stole 23 bags as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a well-rounded offensive showcase from Wilbers in the painting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to start making some buzz in the Yankee system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen a lot of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It took every year, a couple of Yankee's prospects, you know, whether it be the DSL or at the complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really pop and then they seem to visit a lot of the following year, but you know, there's a lot of, you know, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: power speed blend here with the pania, but also at the same time, he didn't really walk a lot at the complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He only had 17 walks and 56 games, not a terrible K-Ray, but just a pretty aggressive hitter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how two home runs so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First nine games for low-A Tampa, won't even get 158, and this verse 40 play is there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So really fun numbers, that's for sure,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm not buying it like, should he based on his, because I think people look at the numbers and be like, that's the top 100 guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's 20 to you know, and it's like, nope.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't buy that at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, should he be on like a top 500 list?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, probably somewhere in that middle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think kind of reminds me of Coloss to be honest with you, like the same run of like how Coloss did and rookie ball and how that changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can see the athleticism, the swing is pretty interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just some pure raw powers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this is one of those guys that's 17 years old been in the system for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was with the angels.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But been there with the Yankees.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This next run is shown some big strikeout potential that's out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is the type of guy you speculate on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're in a league that rosters,
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[SPEAKER_03]: three to 400, or even if you want to say 250, I think this is a guy that you can speculate on, but, you know, I'm very hesitant because the pop happened this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The pop happened, you know, as a close to 20 year old in, or you know, even if you want to just say mid-19 year old in complex ball, and he put up some video game like stats, but the 7% walk rate, I don't love, I don't love what the strikeout rate,
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[SPEAKER_03]: could potentially be in where some of the swingers miss swing and miss has been in previous years really low contact rates as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But athleticism through the roof, you know what I was going to say before Luis Hernandez with the Giants was the floor play, and Yoselorgan's Allis is the ceiling play, and a lot of times in the prospect game like nobody wants to hear you talk about floor, I tend to get a little bit more excited about floor, like other people are like, uh, piss off, like I did, I just want all ceiling and it's like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can appreciate all gas no breaks, but I like to break occasionally, and I like some of those players that I think are not just going to be major leagueers, but that can carry me decently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But in that, could I miss on opportunities for those all gas players?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Potentially, this is one that feels like this is all gas.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll listen to the opinion, like really,
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[SPEAKER_03]: good looking athletic profile if he adds a little bit more, you know, weight onto it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of an easy swing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You generate some power.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's stealing bases and put up video game like numbers and, you know, as long as he doesn't completely crater, he's going to probably finish being a 25 guy and you'll get a ton of those, especially sub 20 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I will just throw this out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because of my hesitation, this feels like the prime prospect, the type of prospect that I'm trading in the offseason, and I'm trading in like a top 150 guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm getting that in people are targeting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I can actually center trades around like, well, someone's like, well, but I got to get something good else back, and you're just like, all right, depending on they're like, okay, you know, like, this is the type of guy I'm probably trading, and maybe I'll miss out a little bit, but that would kind of be my approach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe we talk about him as a top two to 300 guy,
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[SPEAKER_03]: guy, that's exactly how I would approach it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's totally fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of way I've been leaning with him as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's definitely fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to see a little bit more patience from him.
58:39.462 --> 58:41.084
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, the approach is a little aggressive.
58:41.104 --> 58:46.748
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see that it's really being exposed against better pictures than what he saw at the complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the definitely is that fun power speed went for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is got like, that could really pop.
58:51.532 --> 58:52.473
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this got it could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: outside my 500 by the sun next year or even top 150 by the sun next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think both of those avenues are possible, but what are what you told me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You being the the Yankee fan here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you getting excited about the pania?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think everybody is as well in the Yankees fan base, but I think mainly just for the fact that he was the return for the Oswald Paratha trade, who just was not handing out with the Yankees, so to see a guy that has intriguing power speed combo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, like, you know, we could live with that trade.
59:23.107 --> 59:32.995
[SPEAKER_02]: But obviously, you know, you pop the hood and there are just some glaring red flag as like a swinging strike percentage and low A so far that's over 20% that's not great to see.
59:33.695 --> 59:34.716
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sure, I already went over like the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Overall swing and miss just is not there right now, but barrels the ball up a ton at least he did that when he was in the complex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, there's fun upside here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's like well said it's all gas no breaks with with Wilson,
01:00:03.555 --> 01:00:06.856
[SPEAKER_02]: buying into heavily, I'm kind of just sitting back and enjoying what I'm seeing right now.
01:00:08.037 --> 01:00:10.318
[SPEAKER_01]: It just say all gas, no breaks.
01:00:10.358 --> 01:00:13.079
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me think of like Ricky Bobby from Talladegan nice for some reason.
01:00:13.539 --> 01:00:17.481
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very sure you'd last that's I think that's the right the right term here.
01:00:18.077 --> 01:00:19.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:00:19.058 --> 01:00:20.539
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was he was all gas.
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:21.439
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd like to go fast.
01:00:21.479 --> 01:00:28.424
[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of feels the same with some of these these prospects where it can just turn out so well or just kind of they fall flat on their faces.
01:00:28.484 --> 01:00:40.453
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen that so many times before, but yeah, the deficit of injury here, but I kind of want to see how some of the rest of the approach, you know, if you make some gains there over the next, you rest of this year and in the next year.
01:00:40.473 --> 01:00:40.533
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
01:00:41.627 --> 01:00:57.921
[SPEAKER_01]: uh next guy though i think for me personally i i think this next guy has the highest like if everybody like everybody hit their ceilings here i get a perfect world like everybody hit their ceilings offensively i think this next guy has the highest ceiling propanacy out of anybody in this episode
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Chris Rodriguez with the Detroit Tigers, you know, guy that was signed in the 2025 International Senate period and had a pretty good showing in the DSL, you know, what 10 to him runs, 10 seals, you know, hit 3.08 and 51 games.
01:01:13.628 --> 01:01:23.853
[SPEAKER_01]: And this year, kind of more of the same at the complex 9 home runs, 8 steels and 48 games, 274, 355, 526 slash line.
01:01:24.214 --> 01:01:35.039
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a guy that you just look at, he just oozes upside oozes this strength of projection, athleticism, all those really fun tools are there.
01:01:35.059 --> 01:01:36.020
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at the, you know,
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:38.482
[SPEAKER_01]: The approach was aggressive last year.
01:01:38.502 --> 01:01:39.703
[SPEAKER_01]: It's aggressive this year too.
01:01:39.723 --> 01:01:42.545
[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't really changed too much in that regard.
01:01:42.565 --> 01:01:47.729
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 11 walks to 42Ks last year, 18 to 64 this year.
01:01:47.809 --> 01:01:56.596
[SPEAKER_01]: So walk race went up a little bit, but still, you know, a little bit more swing and muscle, you'd like to see, you know, from a guy like him, but the upside is absolutely there.
01:01:56.656 --> 01:02:00.039
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what do you see here from Rodriguez?
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.921
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, there's a lot of good, a couple red flags here.
01:02:02.941 --> 01:02:03.762
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think on him?
01:02:04.262 --> 01:02:30.918
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I try to be a little bit quicker with these last ones, but this is like my favorite guy, this is one of my, I mean, outside of like some of the complex Arizona guys, but like this is a really tough one for me because the K rate is astronomically bad, like 33% is really, really bad, but I think this is like some of the best bad speed, I think this is some of the best body projection like I think there's fantasy stud just sitting in there, I think he has a real real potential to be a 2020 guy, 2025, if you will, but
01:02:33.640 --> 01:02:39.022
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he went from Dominican Summer League to complex and raising 10%ile points on his strike out percentage.
01:02:39.062 --> 01:02:43.083
[SPEAKER_03]: Like 32% spad, it's not great contact rates.
01:02:43.103 --> 01:02:47.004
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's got a lot of improvement, but there's so much in the package that I like.
01:02:47.044 --> 01:02:51.465
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where, you know, sometimes there's that pedigree thing because it's like, whoa, you pick on a opinion.
01:02:51.905 --> 01:03:02.829
[SPEAKER_03]: over a couple years that struggles and then comes out hot and then you give benefits to a guy like Chris Rodriguez and it's like, yeah, you know, to be fair, but I think long-term the skill set of Chris Rodriguez is someone I want to bet on.
01:03:03.349 --> 01:03:07.271
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just in love with that bad speed and the way the ball flies out.
01:03:07.571 --> 01:03:13.313
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't have him as a top 100 guy, but if you wanted to play pure upside, you could do that.
01:03:13.413 --> 01:03:16.054
[SPEAKER_03]: He moved away from being a top 100 guy because of the
01:03:20.335 --> 01:03:37.610
[SPEAKER_03]: Moving forward and we haven't seen a jump up by the way like he I think he's continuously playing in bridge league right now Otherwise he would be in April and that's sometimes telling if a guy played complex and stage through like why is that That might be because they're a little bit concerned about these contact rates And that's got to get finished.
01:03:37.630 --> 01:03:41.093
[SPEAKER_03]: So you might not see my name and see him go to April this year.
01:03:41.153 --> 01:03:45.217
[SPEAKER_03]: So Yeah, like I said I still think he's like a top one 50 guy to me, but I'm in on him
01:03:46.224 --> 01:03:49.127
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's been dancing around that 100 mark for me.
01:03:49.167 --> 01:03:59.458
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with a few of those like really fun, yet flawed, you know, like rookie ball level guys, but yeah, I, this guy could be an absolute menace, like for fantasy.
01:03:59.478 --> 01:04:01.820
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, absolutely, you, you, you target it.
01:04:01.841 --> 01:04:04.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Could be one of your top guys on your team down the road.
01:04:04.023 --> 01:04:08.387
[SPEAKER_01]: That that's still many, many years away from happening, but if he could just,
01:04:09.028 --> 01:04:13.451
[SPEAKER_01]: get up to give me like a 72 to 74% contact rate.
01:04:13.691 --> 01:04:16.313
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone on that range was just still like, you know, it's fine, it's not great.
01:04:16.353 --> 01:04:16.873
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
01:04:17.314 --> 01:04:26.020
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, him in that range, you maybe a little bit more, a little more walks to like, you know, you could really see this in that like maybe even a top 10 fantasy profit.
01:04:26.040 --> 01:04:28.381
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that upside is there with those adjustments.
01:04:28.882 --> 01:04:29.642
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens.
01:04:29.662 --> 01:04:31.123
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's easier something than done.
01:04:31.464 --> 01:04:36.507
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if everything comes together with rugby guys, this is a really, really exciting prospect.
01:04:36.547 --> 01:04:37.488
[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt about that.
01:04:38.128 --> 01:04:40.649
[SPEAKER_01]: Toby, you share that same excitement with Rodriguez.
01:04:41.249 --> 01:04:46.632
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you personally blend all the big green flags and the big red flag here with Rodriguez?
01:04:48.492 --> 01:04:51.754
[SPEAKER_02]: With the red flags, I think it's hard to ignore.
01:04:51.814 --> 01:04:54.595
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the hit tool is very concerning right now.
01:04:55.432 --> 01:04:59.535
[SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of the green flags, I mean, he's been exciting for almost two years now.
01:04:59.575 --> 01:05:06.881
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, only DSL player last year to have double digit homers and steals as a 17 year old in the Dominican summer leagues.
01:05:06.901 --> 01:05:07.962
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really cool to see.
01:05:07.982 --> 01:05:11.004
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he comes state side and the slug doesn't dip too much.
01:05:11.544 --> 01:05:12.965
[SPEAKER_02]: Raises the on base percentage.
01:05:13.426 --> 01:05:17.429
[SPEAKER_02]: I know obviously the hit tool just didn't translate well at all.
01:05:17.489 --> 01:05:17.649
[SPEAKER_02]: But
01:05:18.894 --> 01:05:33.244
[SPEAKER_02]: still very young, he's still 18 years old, so I'm not really buying into much to the red flags being detrimental to his development long term, you know, I'm, again, I'm just excited to see how he translates and you know, if he doesn't play,
01:05:34.183 --> 01:05:34.904
[SPEAKER_02]: able this year.
01:05:35.605 --> 01:05:36.746
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's totally fine.
01:05:36.786 --> 01:05:39.168
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, you don't have to rush a guy like him at all.
01:05:39.568 --> 01:05:41.010
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a pretty set out field.
01:05:41.030 --> 01:05:44.974
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like in terms of both who's there right now and the prospects they have coming in.
01:05:45.014 --> 01:05:47.356
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no reason to rush Chris Rodriguez at all.
01:05:47.777 --> 01:05:53.082
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what you have right now in terms of just raw talent with the bat is enough to buy into what he's doing.
01:05:54.787 --> 01:05:57.648
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, moving over to I get a red socket here.
01:05:57.668 --> 01:06:12.354
[SPEAKER_01]: We got one Yankee was a Boston Red Sox prospect in here and I got that was you know, one of the best hitters this year in the Florida complex league and he's now actually been up with low eight Salem for you know, the last like five weeks or so 25 games there.
01:06:13.534 --> 01:06:21.178
[SPEAKER_01]: He's sitting 303, but we're talking about Franklin, from Mara, and they just turned 19 back in the middle part of June.
01:06:21.618 --> 01:06:30.663
[SPEAKER_01]: You got that, you know, hit pretty well last year in the DSL, but didn't hit for really any power, but didn't hit 333, ton of walks, 465 will be the last year.
01:06:31.323 --> 01:06:36.266
[SPEAKER_01]: This year in the complex, like that approach has stuck, I still more walks in straight
01:06:38.487 --> 01:06:51.376
[SPEAKER_01]: He had 427, 549, 718 in the complex, 22 walks to just 13 strikeouts, 6 doubles, 8 bombs, you know, added four steals as well.
01:06:51.857 --> 01:06:58.461
[SPEAKER_01]: And then already as again, 2 bombs with a 303, 446, 449, slash line in low A.
01:06:58.542 --> 01:07:00.803
[SPEAKER_01]: So he just continued his success.
01:07:00.823 --> 01:07:03.065
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, you know, a lot of excitement about him.
01:07:03.465 --> 01:07:18.330
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, him and Delazine and the Red Sox Oregon, you know, the two guys that you think, all right, maybe they can be jumping up into that top three four range in this Boston system, you know, with a lot of those guys, you know, now in the Baltimore system after the Apply Regiment trade.
01:07:18.930 --> 01:07:29.094
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of excitement here, you know, in this, you know, in the Boston, kind of world about Premiere, I guess, you show them pretty solid rock power, you know, good feel to hit, you know, phenomenal approach.
01:07:29.294 --> 01:07:31.294
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we'll see if he's a catcher long-term or
01:07:33.105 --> 01:07:37.712
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, a lot of like here with the bad, so Welsh, where do you think you're on Franklin for Mara?
01:07:38.278 --> 01:07:45.701
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really high contact rates, I think, make him exciting in the 70, high 70s to like 80% of range.
01:07:46.581 --> 01:07:50.102
[SPEAKER_03]: I love from to kind of move off of position that would be great as well.
01:07:50.182 --> 01:07:58.345
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, really solid season, low strikeout rates, high batting average, power is going to kind of continue to develop as his body develops as well.
01:07:58.645 --> 01:08:01.066
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a tremendously exciting swing.
01:08:01.106 --> 01:08:03.947
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's almost an 1100 OPS so far in this season.
01:08:04.287 --> 01:08:06.648
[SPEAKER_03]: He's pulled the living crap out of the ball at every stop.
01:08:07.488 --> 01:08:33.660
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... yeah i think uh... i think for mayor's one of the more exciting players with like a floor is well so i'd like if we were to be ranking the players that we were talking about on this i would probably be like well if you would if you were talking about like an excitement range of like cysticin ability i think like are you this is right there i think uh... Hernandez is right there and i think premiere i think those might be like the three safest players if you can have safe uh... out of these guys
01:08:34.570 --> 01:08:35.950
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I definitely grew that.
01:08:35.970 --> 01:08:38.211
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think Toby thoughts on Primera?
01:08:39.111 --> 01:08:44.012
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, real quick, he just hasn't stopped producing since going to Lowe, and I think that's the biggest thing for me.
01:08:44.872 --> 01:08:51.574
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited to see that he translated well to A ball, and strike out rates really good still.
01:08:52.234 --> 01:08:53.374
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything seems to look good.
01:08:54.815 --> 01:08:56.315
[SPEAKER_02]: Just hoping that he can keep it going, honestly.
01:08:57.298 --> 01:08:58.979
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I absolutely meet me too.
01:08:59.019 --> 01:09:05.421
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I said, he's a, you know, one of the hopes to become a next top prospect with this system, but I like about a lot.
01:09:05.461 --> 01:09:14.144
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be fine to see if he can continue this in low A and maybe into, you know, a full year of full season ball next year.
01:09:14.584 --> 01:09:16.824
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're going to the Tampa Bay Rays.
01:09:16.844 --> 01:09:18.145
[SPEAKER_01]: We got two more names here.
01:09:18.165 --> 01:09:20.746
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll hit these guys quickly before we get out of here.
01:09:21.206 --> 01:09:24.227
[SPEAKER_01]: And another fun race, you know, middle and field prospects.
01:09:24.627 --> 01:09:27.008
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm saying the first time right in Dreamy.
01:09:28.830 --> 01:09:38.275
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like I'm saying it wrong, but in Dreamy and Tune has 19 years old, the middle and fielder for the race at the Complex this year
01:09:42.297 --> 01:09:47.642
[SPEAKER_01]: but eight doubles, seven home runs, 12 steals, more walks, then strikeouts.
01:09:48.042 --> 01:09:52.326
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty solid season then, he's been up with low aid Charleston for the last 10 games.
01:09:52.647 --> 01:09:59.192
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already popped 4x, obviously it's two of which left the yard, so pretty good start at that level as well.
01:09:59.613 --> 01:10:06.239
[SPEAKER_01]: Another guy that's not really one of the bigger names in this show, but had a good showing, what do you think he had here on in tune as well?
01:10:06.817 --> 01:10:12.600
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's kind of deceptive in that like, you know, he's got bad average, but like good contact rates.
01:10:13.281 --> 01:10:15.782
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the the the walk strike out stuff.
01:10:15.802 --> 01:10:18.464
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's going to be key for him kind of a smaller guy.
01:10:18.484 --> 01:10:25.688
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be a lot more hit over like big tremendous tools or whatever, but I I think this is like a median type of player.
01:10:25.708 --> 01:10:28.550
[SPEAKER_03]: If the batting averages don't can don't continue to improve.
01:10:28.570 --> 01:10:30.231
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's the thing that I think has to with him.
01:10:30.251 --> 01:10:31.832
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's going to be the big carrying piece.
01:10:32.312 --> 01:10:50.066
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sold that he's going to be a significant power bat in the major, nor do I really think he's going to be a significant stolen base guy, but you know, a lot can be done off of high batting average, like 15, 15 guys, but the batting average has got to come up, he hit 260 in complex, he's hitting 2, 29 and 8 ball, 256 total on the year.
01:10:50.126 --> 01:10:59.253
[SPEAKER_03]: I just I just want to see those contact rates come in and have a little less like swinging miss on it, but yeah, super interesting guy probably, you know, outside the top 250 for me to be honest,
01:11:00.292 --> 01:11:01.992
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I love the OBP.
01:11:02.112 --> 01:11:04.853
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can be, you know, provide that 1520 steals.
01:11:04.933 --> 01:11:06.794
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I question what were the powers.
01:11:06.814 --> 01:11:13.155
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the biggest dude in the world, but, you know, Tampa Bay, they seem to, you know, get the most out of these types of guys time and time again.
01:11:13.175 --> 01:11:14.956
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, he's in a good system.
01:11:14.976 --> 01:11:18.636
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel confident about him being in Tampa, basis them as opposed to other systems.
01:11:18.676 --> 01:11:22.717
[SPEAKER_01]: So, definitely a name to pop on your radar.
01:11:22.757 --> 01:11:24.258
[SPEAKER_01]: Toby, what do you thought's here on?
01:11:24.738 --> 01:11:26.238
[SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Me, I love him in the name.
01:11:26.258 --> 01:11:27.198
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just a fun interesting.
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:29.379
[SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Me, and Tennis.
01:11:29.935 --> 01:11:50.145
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah i saw a bunch of videos from the complex from him one of my buddies kept posting but uh... so shout out even for that but great cane with avoidance uh... i think there's a more of a ceiling here power wise than people really think with him it will be interesting to see how temp of a allows him to tap into that bullet use that area could the great system for him to be in uh... so i think this is a guy that can tap into more than what we saw this year
01:11:51.175 --> 01:11:55.936
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if he taps in the more power than yeah, definitely would be really, really exciting.
01:11:55.996 --> 01:11:58.857
[SPEAKER_01]: Something you can and dream on that that was terrible.
01:11:58.897 --> 01:12:00.837
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to make a big advantage of that.
01:12:00.857 --> 01:12:01.718
[SPEAKER_01]: That was I'm sorry.
01:12:01.738 --> 01:12:05.478
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, that that started bad as it came out of my mouth.
01:12:05.538 --> 01:12:08.059
[SPEAKER_01]: So, a for effort, not really.
01:12:08.779 --> 01:12:11.660
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, one more name here before we get out of here.
01:12:12.361 --> 01:12:24.433
[SPEAKER_01]: Marconi Hermann with the Washington Nationals got a really good DSL showing and kind of an up and down kind of rollercoaster year at the Complex but still you know some pretty good numbers here.
01:12:24.773 --> 01:12:27.616
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't only get 246 at the Complex but of 425.
01:12:28.937 --> 01:12:38.808
[SPEAKER_01]: O BP 486 slug at seven bombs 11 steals nearly as many walks as strikeouts 39 to 45 in 50 games at the combat.
01:12:38.848 --> 01:12:47.018
[SPEAKER_01]: He has not gone on too low a but I've got to have some some hype around this name, but again, pretty rollercoaster season at the complex.
01:12:47.498 --> 01:12:49.541
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think on Markoning her mom well?
01:12:50.081 --> 01:13:13.023
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's just been kind of one of those examples I've used as a cautionary tale are going nuts with DSL because like he was one of those guys if people were like Mark Mark owner your mom on top one hundred guy DSL and it's just like he doesn't sniff the top one hundred for anybody at this point because those kind of things you know toppled back down but people saw 30 stolen bases they saw a higher walk rate than a strikeout rate and we got excited
01:13:13.223 --> 01:13:16.704
[SPEAKER_03]: not to say that there's not exciting things about him, but that's playing that middle ground.
01:13:16.724 --> 01:13:22.685
[SPEAKER_03]: That's finding that balance between like this is ex August and then figuring out how to like balance it out.
01:13:23.045 --> 01:13:30.967
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, could it pay off if you took him last year and some startup draft that you took him at like 1-10 and he's not returning, but long-term he gets it fixed.
01:13:30.987 --> 01:13:31.547
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I could.
01:13:31.947 --> 01:13:36.969
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, like people, the frustrations people grow with with these guys, like people move off.
01:13:36.989 --> 01:13:38.309
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like Mark Rattney Hermons, nothing.
01:13:38.329 --> 01:13:39.229
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just move off of him.
01:13:39.629 --> 01:13:40.169
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's some
01:13:42.970 --> 01:13:45.912
[SPEAKER_03]: physically is not the most like physically gifted guy.
01:13:46.272 --> 01:13:47.352
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a pretty interesting swing.
01:13:47.372 --> 01:13:49.253
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm wondering if that's going to be more of a double swing.
01:13:49.834 --> 01:13:52.855
[SPEAKER_03]: His strikeout rate went up, but he's still at a 20% k-personage.
01:13:52.875 --> 01:13:58.819
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, he's just got like a knack for that batting average really tank this year and the contact rates weren't overly impressive.
01:13:59.219 --> 01:14:01.160
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think this is like the making of
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:19.482
[SPEAKER_03]: you know it's like right outside the top 200 for me if you want to be a little bit more optimistic that big things are going to happen I'm totally game with that but like I think this is like a sub 2020 guy and I'm not sure where the average is going to sit but if you continue to walk like we've seen lots of guys that have like really high walk rates and can't get the
01:14:20.083 --> 01:14:21.444
[SPEAKER_03]: the batting average to get up.
01:14:21.645 --> 01:14:24.368
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they got to make really good in-zone decisions.
01:14:24.408 --> 01:14:25.729
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not sure he's at that point.
01:14:26.009 --> 01:14:30.434
[SPEAKER_03]: And do those in-zone decisions equal him having like massive power.
01:14:30.494 --> 01:14:31.595
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure that that happens.
01:14:31.635 --> 01:14:35.600
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think he's outside the top, but at least 150, but right around that 200 range.
01:14:36.711 --> 01:14:38.312
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of have him there as well.
01:14:38.352 --> 01:14:42.115
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like the, you know, the approach, like I'm getting on base at a good clip.
01:14:42.135 --> 01:14:43.736
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's solid speed here.
01:14:43.756 --> 01:14:47.019
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's sneaky pop potential here and down the road.
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:48.360
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how that kind of pans out.
01:14:48.440 --> 01:14:51.242
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think he could turn into a fun player.
01:14:51.282 --> 01:15:00.309
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the thing I keep looking at is those contact rates that you see, like, you know, even last year, he didn't really stand out contact last year either.
01:15:00.389 --> 01:15:02.110
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really the extractor here.
01:15:02.150 --> 01:15:04.792
[SPEAKER_01]: If he makes more contact, I think he could be a pretty solid
01:15:06.313 --> 01:15:09.616
[SPEAKER_01]: That we'll see if that can come to fruition here for the next year or so.
01:15:10.477 --> 01:15:17.242
[SPEAKER_01]: Toby thoughts on her mom Like do you see her mom maybe getting to that next level and maybe becoming a top 100 prospect in next year or so?
01:15:17.982 --> 01:15:18.643
[SPEAKER_02]: Top 100.
01:15:18.683 --> 01:15:19.364
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
01:15:19.384 --> 01:15:32.554
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think there's too many question marks at the overall hit tool But like you said really intriguing power upside in terms of just catching barrels and posting average solid EVs It's really the biggest thing within it's just solid power upside and other than that.
01:15:32.574 --> 01:15:33.815
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some things to work on here
01:15:34.295 --> 01:15:35.176
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just to keep it quick.
01:15:35.196 --> 01:15:39.038
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's kind of my short thoughts on Mark O'Neill Hermann.
01:15:40.578 --> 01:15:40.919
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:15:40.979 --> 01:15:43.060
[SPEAKER_01]: That was 11 really fun names.
01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:44.741
[SPEAKER_01]: Some guys, you know, bigger targets.
01:15:44.781 --> 01:15:51.204
[SPEAKER_01]: Other guys, maybe be a little more cautious and hesitant on, but 11 fun names nonetheless that will wrap us up.
01:15:51.744 --> 01:15:53.465
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