Ep 32: Navigating a Toxic World with Jeff Hoyt

Jeff hyot Full Audio: The key to an effective detox is getting healthy. The healthier you are, the faster you're going to detox naturally because you have more resources internally to deal with stuff. So it goes back to identifying what is the X factor in your life? Is there something that you need to deal with that you're just putting on the back burner? If you can deal with that, that's going to make everything in your body work better, including natural detox. The healthier you become, the less supplements you need. Welcome to the Healing Blueprint. I'm your host, Jill Brianski. On this podcast, I speak with experts from traditional and holistic healing modalities. And together, we share insights, tools, and practical guidance so you can create your own healing blueprint. Let's move into today's episode and get started. Our bodies are exposed to toxins every day, but how do we get rid of them? Joining me today to help us better understand what it means to detox is Jeff Hoyt. Jeff, thank you for being with us today. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Jill. I'm looking forward to the conversation. Always a good time to talk about some detox. Right. So let's start off with what is detox? why is everybody so consumed with that lately? Yeah. Well, I think just there's more awareness now because living in the twenty-first century, we're just really bombarded with more external source toxic elements than ever before. And there's this awareness that some of the stuff ends up accumulating in our bodies and we want to get it out so it doesn't start causing problems. Right. So really detox is the process of removing unwanted things from your body or even from your life. Right. So if we can detox could technically be, cleansing yourself of, unhealthy people or something. But generally in In the conversation, we're talking about removing heavy metals and environmental toxicants and microplastics and these things that have made our way into the system from outside, escorting them out of the body so that we can live our healthiest lives. Why do we not want these things in our body? What are they doing to our body that we should be even considering getting rid of them? Yeah, they're just, I mean, they're foreign objects. When they come into the body, the body doesn't like them. It tries to process them. It tries, you know, when the body's processing them for removal. That's going to cause an immune response. And then when you have that immune response, that causes an inflammatory reaction. If you're constantly exposed to these things, you have a constant immune response and a constant inflammatory reaction. That's going to result in chronic inflammation. That can result in really any number of symptoms, right? So there's a different places the toxic elements store in the body. So one is the processing center. So that's right when they come in, your body's working on them. That's when you get that stronger immune and risk inflammatory response. And then if the body can't handle the clearance of them, if it just is isn't able to keep up, it doesn't have enough processing power, then it has to do something with them because they're becoming too stressful on the system. So it just tucks them away for storage. And that's what our fat, one of the reasons that we have fat, right? It's it's or fat is a natural space for toxic storage. So then we can end up with all these various toxic elements that are just get stuck in our organs and our tissue for years because the body is really focused on short-term survival. Over long-term thrival, right? So it's prioritizing short-term function. So it's willing to tuck things away that are in tissue that might be might be causing issues. So at that point, it's causing less of the inflammation, less of the immune response, because it's basically hidden from the defense systems of the body. But now it's causing more of the longer-term issues. And the issues are going to depend on where that toxic element is in your body. If it's in your brain, it's going to be causing potentially more cognitive decline and neurological issues. If it's in your liver, it's causing sluggish liver, et cetera. Right. So it just really depends on where it is and what the toxic element is. But yeah, there's the short term and then the long term negative effects of the toxic accumulation in the body. How would someone know where it is in the body? it's kind of tricky. The testing, I mean, it's you you can if you if you have a high level of any toxic element, generally it's going to end up kind of all over the body. Cause the body, in my opinion, likes to kind of disperse the toxicity. So it's not all accumulated in one specific area. Right. So in general, ideally for toxic storage, the body keeps it in general fat. That's a non-vital organ, just in the skin. But there's only so much space, how much storage capacity that you have there. And then the body has to move to organs. Right. So interestingly, a lot of people that are thinner and have less body fat have more signs of toxicity because they have less toxin storage. So if someone is 200 pounds and another person is 150 pounds. And they say they have the exact same amount of mercury in their bodies, the 150-pound individual is going to be much more symptomatic from that mercury, or it's going to be causing more problems because more of that is going to be in vital organ tissue opposed to general fat. Right. So it gets dispersed around. And then the more that ends up in the organs generally, the more longer term issues there's going to be. So if someone's having a problem, let's say they either have brain fog or their system's sluggish or there's inflammation somewhere. Would their first step be let's try a detox? Let's see if a detox will help the system to realign itself. It could be. there's so many things that that could cause inflammation or or immune reactivity. So it just depends on if you know what it is, then you want to go after the thing. if there's something that you know that you need to do, you just don't want to do it. You're like, let me just do a detox first. Go after the thing you know is causing issues, right? And then if you don't know, then detox is a good place to start. Or a lot of people end up with. Going on detox protocols after they've tried a lot of other things and they say, well, I'm eating a clean, clean diet, clean lifestyle. I think I'm doing everything right, but I'm not getting the right results. Maybe it's because it's not about what you're doing right now. It's about some of these toxic elements that have been accumulated in your body from previous exposure. Because the thing is, even if you're free from, you none of us are, but even if we were free from toxic toxicities externally sourced right now, we still have all this stuff in our bodies from before because our body holds onto it. Right. So people that have had amalgam fillings removed from their mouths, a lot of times they're like, I'm good to go because I got rid of the mercury. Well, you got rid of the mercury exposure. You didn't get rid of the mercury that is in your body from the 25 years of exposure. And that just gets stuck there. I've done testing, tested at least three people who had the amalgam fillings removed over 20 years ago, and they still had super high levels of mercury and silver in the tissue. Right. So two of the two main metals in the amalgam. So it just gets stuck there. So if someone is feeling stuck with their health, sometimes detox is the next step because you want to start removing some of the stuff that's basically clogging up the body's machinery, right? The body knows what to do, it works great. But if there's things in there that are inhibiting it from doing its job well or making it work harder than normal to stay balanced, if we can remove those, it just frees up energy. Then the body can start doing what it wants to do better, which can, be cellular repair, cellular energy, mitochondrial function, whatever it wants to do. So I've seen a lot of things. And heard a lot about a liver detox or a digestive detox or doing fasting to just sort of let your whole system detox in a way. So how important is it to know where to detox as opposed to what needs to be detoxed? So let's use the liver, for example. If I were to think like somebody says, you know, I think you need a liver detox because you have too many heavy metals or whatever in your system. How do we know that we're going after the right thing? I mean, it the liver detox is is always a good place to start. I think, well, not always a good place, but it the liver is if you have toxicity in the body, you're gonna have toxicity in the liver because the liver is a big filter, right? So if you've got a bunch of toxins in your brain and your other organs, you're probably gonna have them in your liver too. That's a good start. So if you can clear out your liver, it helps the rest of your body detox too, because it's all connected. You can't really isolate detox. The goal is a full body detox. And it comes down to processing power, right? We we try to isolate things and we identify problems that we have by lab testing or whatever else. And then we say we need to go specifically at this problem. Usually it's a combination of a bunch of problems with all of the body systems working together. So with detox, the problem with accumulation is it's a problem of not having enough energy to deal with toxicity on a daily basis. So if you're exposed to X amount of of heavy metals and toxic toxicity from the environment on a daily basis, if you have enough. Processing power in your body, enough detox energy to deal with it all, then you're not going to get accumulation because it comes in, your body removes it. If you don't have enough energy, then you start getting accumulation, right? So the solution for an effective detox is the inverse of that, where you want to increase the level of energy in the body so it can handle everything coming in and have extra energy to start clearing out the stuff that it put into storage. You put it on the back burner because it didn't have energy at the time, right? So Isolating the detox can be a little bit challenging because it doesn't solve the energy problem. So, for example, if you're when you become sicker or if you have a more of a complex health challenge, a lot of times your body slows down, naturally stops, slows down its detox functions to protect you. Right. So you'd think it'd be the opposite. You'd think, I'm more toxic, my body's gonna detox faster. Usually it's the opposite, that might be initially, but then it usually ends up with a slower detox because your body wants to keep the toxic elements. out of the active processing center and keep them hidden in tissue. So some of the natural detox functions might be like lymphatic drainage. The body might slow down lymphatic drainage. It might slow down sweating. It might slow down bile production, which is one of the ways the liver detox is because the body's trying to stop the removal of the toxic elements from tissue into the process processing center. Cause when they're there in the processing center, they're active and they're causing that stronger immune response and stronger level of inflammation being caused. Right. So With the liver example, liver cleansing can be fantastic. I love liver cleansing, but let's say you're already at max capacity and you can't really handle a lot more toxicity right now, which is why your body's keeping it in tissue. If you take a bunch of, liver detox supplements, which are basically generally going to be like bitters, something bitter that stimulates the release of bile, because the bile leaves the liver, it carries toxicity with it that goes to the small intestine. And the idea is you want to, get that out the system. The problem here. Is that 95% of the bile is recycled? The body naturally recycles most of the bile through this process called enterohopatic circulation. So essentially, if you have liver toxicity and you push out bile through bitter herbs, you're pushing out extra bile, which means extra toxicity, it goes to the small intestine. You've kind of poisoned your small intestine at this point. You might feel terrible. If your body can't clear a lot of that, it just ends up recirculating. And then you feel absolutely awful. And it's like how much of the stuff is actually leaving the body. And that depends on your level of health and what you can clear. So it might be a great idea. It might not be a great idea. It just depends on what you're able to handle. So there's different types of detox for different people, at different levels of health. The healthier someone is, the more of the different approaches to detox they can handle. Someone that's more sensitive to detox or considered too sick to detox often cannot do something like a liver cleanse because they're pushing toxicity out, but there's no room to receive it. How do you determine where someone is and what they have the capacity for? Because I could sit here and say, wow, I feel actually pretty healthy and I think that this is going to be fine, ignoring the fact that yes, my body is inflamed and yes, I do have issues within certain organs. Where is there you had mentioned testing before, like does testing, is testing a part of the process and figuring out what we go after and how hard? Yeah. All right. You cut out there. I think I got the gist of the question though. So essentially it's it sometimes you don't know. Like sometimes we think we're healthier than we are, because you know, a lot of times we're like, well, we're doing everything right. What that doesn't really necessarily equate to like physiological internal health. Like some of the healthiest people I know have the worst lifestyles. And it's not fair. You know, it is what it is. Some of us that are working the hardest are still challenged with some health challenges that we just, you know, it is what it is. But If you start detoxing and you feel absolutely awful, whatever that detox method is, then that's a sign that, okay, one, there is toxicity coming out. So that's good. But it's a sign that, your body is struggling a little bit with the removal process because this the detox reaction, headaches, irritability, joint pain, these signs and symptoms are signals that your body's telling you there's more stuff floating around here than what we're used to or we're comfortable with. So it's going to be a little bit turbulent on the way out. Right. So in a healthier person, Three people could do a liver cleanse. They take some bitter herbs. One of them might feel absolutely nothing, right? Because there was extra toxicity coming out of the liver, or maybe there wasn't anything, and they just didn't, they felt fine. Another person might get a little headache, middle bit of irritability. Fine. Another person might get very, very sick, right? And that's based on one, how much toxicity is coming out of the liver, but also how much energy does the body have to process that extra toxicity. Right. So interestingly, there's so many things that. That affect detox. we're talking emotional health will affect levels of heavy metals in your body because it all comes down to processing power and energy. So someone that has a high level of emotional stress for an extended period of time, it actually inhibits their body's ability to clear physical toxic elements like metals because their body is using up a lot of their energy to process the emotions. So it has less energy to deal with detox, right? So that's why everything is really connected. So when someone has a complex health challenge they've been dealing with for 15 years, maybe it's Lyme disease, maybe whatever it is, they generally almost always end up with high levels of heavy metals and toxicants in their tissue. It's not necessarily because those things were the root cause of their problem. It might be because they were a result of the problem, because their body was so busy for 15 years dealing with the stressor. That was the focus of the body. These other things were sneaking in. The body didn't have energy to deal with it. So the body just kept tucking it away, tucking it away, tucking away into tissue. And then we get all these tests, and everything's wrong with us. So it's like it's hard to identify what was the thing that actually made us sick. But there's this combination, this toxic soup of all sorts of stuff that now is contributing to further decline in health. Right. So it becomes a little bit, a little bit tricky. But yeah, that's why it's it's I don't like the isolated approach where it's like, and even with detox, it's like, mercury is my problem. I, if I can just get the mercury out of my body. Then I'll be great. It's like, well, if generally there's, hundreds, thousands of chemicals and toxic elements in our bodies. We're not usually testing for a lot of them. We don't really know which ones are being the most problematic for us. We just kind of hyper focus on heavy metals because there's more literature and there's you know better testing for it. But if you have an accumulation of one toxic element, that means you probably have an accumulation of pretty much all the toxic elements that you've been exposed to because it comes down to energy and the body not being able. Deal with it. When I'm talking about energy, I'm not talking about physical energy levels. I'm talking about just the ability for the body to make stuff happen, just cellular energy, just resources to get everything done that needs to get done. So where does somebody start? So yeah, differ different approaches. So one, like I said before, if there is something that you know you need to do, do that. And it might be unrelated to detox. So let's say, back to the emotional example. Let's say you've been harboring. jealousy or unforgiveness or something. And you just you're having a really, really difficult time forgiving someone, it's like that could be actually can be your main contributing factor to lack of detox because if it's stressing out your body that much, right? You're holding on to it. If you have maybe breast implants, that's something that is, there's highly, highly common these days, it's like breast implant illness, where you have this constant exposure to toxicity being, coming out of the breast implant, even a root canel treated tooth or an infected tooth. That's poisoning your body every day. Amalgophil, so these things are the big things. But if you're if you're not drinking filtered water, that it would be a good idea to start drinking filtered water, eating cleaner food, not not using toxic cookware. So avoiding the external source toxicity as much as possible is step one because you want to stop the inflow of the toxicity and you want to increase the outflow of the toxicity. So one, if there's something you know to do, getting an air purifier, whatever it is, start doing that. And then for detox strategies, There's a lot of things you can do. So you could put, you know, try the liver. If you want to try the liver detox, get some bitter herbs or something, absolutely fantastic. See how that works for you. I mean, that that could be a great approach for someone. There's, you know, there's homeopathy. There's there's all these other things, right? It kind of just depends on what you're going for. The fasting you mentioned as well can be helpful. It just fasting's a little bit interesting because there's there's short-term and long-term fasting, there's different benefits of each, but actually. After about 18 hours of fasting, your body will retain heavy metals more than before. Right. So it could because heavy metals are similar in structure to ta to essential minerals. So your body will go on a survival mode, especially if you don't routinely fast. Your body goes in survival mode. It starts holding on to everything because it doesn't know when the next meal's coming. So it doesn't let go of go of the essential minerals. It also doesn't let go of the heavy metals, right? So interesting. It sometimes it has the opposite effect of detox when you fast. Now, having said that, as you start burning fat, naturally some of those metals and things are going to be shed. You might have an accelerated microplastic and mycotoxin and detox. And you might have a limited heavy metal detox because the other things are not similar to structure than minerals. So it's nuanced, but fasting can be helpful as long as someone is in a position to do so. And it's not gonna make them worse because sometimes fasting can make you worse depending on liver health as well. The approach that I like is using binders. Because most detox approaches are automatically going to add stress to the system, right? Because they're really designed to mobilize toxicity that was in storage, get it going out of the system, but there's gonna, it's gonna potentially cause a lot of turbulence on the way out. And some people can't handle it. And then they can't continue on the detox because they feel terrible, right? So the binding approach is utilizing things like the zeolite powder we can talk about that goes in and it just grabs various toxic elements that are currently floating around in the system. And it frees up energy. And then the body says, wait, this is great. We've got all this extra energy. Let's start letting go of these toxic elements from the brain, from the kidney, from the liver, start accelerating lib flow, accelerating bile production, start sweating more. Right. So opposed to directly going in and trying to target something specifically, it's more of a non-specific approach where you just go and you grab all this stuff that's there. And then you let the body decide what to do with that extra energy. Right. So, with zeolite powder, it's a very broad spectrum binder. So there's all sorts of binders, right? There's activated charcoal, there's bentonite clays, there's pectins, there's all these things. A lot of them are great for short-term use, but for longer term use, they generally don't work as well because they might be taking out some of the good stuff as well as the bad stuff, right? So for short-term use, great, long-term, maybe not as much. They might be constipating. There's some issues with them. Zeolites are a little bit different. And they, and we're talking about the powder here. So there's nanoin liquids. I don't recommend those, but you high quality purified. Zeolite powder in the form called clenoptilolite. there's a lot there, but clenoptilolite is the form we want to use because there's a lot of other types of zeolites that are not going to be good for us. So, anyway, that goes in and it grabs heavy metals, it grabs mycotoxins, it grabs some of the waste products that our bodies produce, like ammonia and histamine and urea. So it just grabs all this stuff. It'll grab, you know, radioactive materials, it'll grab glyphosate, it'll grab BPA. So it grabs all of these toxic elements. But what makes it so unique is that it's not grabbing the essential nutrients that we want to retain in our bodies, right? Like the other binders. And this works because opposed to just going in and grabbing stuff, it works through a swap mechanism. So the zeolite has this cage. It looks like a honeycomb cage. Inside, there's potassium, sodium, calcium, magnesium. And when it interacts with something more toxic, which is generally heavier, like a heavy metal, it swap the magnesium it has for the mercury. That's floating around, right? So it does if it comes across an amino acid or a vitamin or something, it just leaves it alone because it's not grabbing things it's swapping. And it already has the electrolytes it likes and it's only going to trade them for heavier elements that are the toxic elements. So that's what makes it a little bit unique. It's considered a smart binder, opposed to just, a traditional binder that grabs everything. So the benefit here is one, it can be taken longer term if you're tolerating it well, and it can be taken at higher doses and sometimes relatively high doses. Zeolite powder is needed to get to that deep level full body detox. I actually find this so fascinating. So I had mold toxicity a while ago, and I was told to take a binder and I took a binder and it did not make me feel any better. And I wasn't even sure what it was doing. The mold, thank God, is gone. But what you're saying is actually really interesting because it's grabbing the things that we don't want and it's leaving the things that we do. What does it mean? What is zeolite? So zeolite is a mineral. So it's a naturally occurring mineral. And there's a number of types of zeolites around the world. They're just mined from the earth. Clenoptylolite is kind of the form that we're looking at here. So it's just naturally mined. it's an aluminosilicate by definition. So that's the class of mineral that's in. And that's what gives it this strong negative charge. So this negative charge allows it to swap out for these positively charged toxic elements, which makes it makes it very unique, right? So it's It's interesting because binders, the whole point of binders is to reduce stress on the body, right? With moltox system or you're doing another protocol, you take a binder to mitigate the stress. But a lot of times the binders actually will add stress to your system. And that's because, some people just don't tolerate them well. Sometimes it's constipation, sometimes there's nutrient nutrient depletion. There's just a lot of reasons. That's why usually with our product Zoocharge, people that haven't been able to tolerate the other binders. Are able to tolerate things like Zeo Charge and it does a great job at reducing stress on the system. Right. So it's a little bit different. Of course, when you take a binder, anything can happen because you go in and you grab something, it just stirs the pot, right? It really stirs stuff up a lot of times, and that can make you feel worse in the short term, which is really not the goal of binders, but that's where dosing is crucial. So I discovered the z what I call the zeolite dosing paradox a number of years ago, where if you take a very small amount of our product zeo charge, it's more likely. To cause a negative reaction like headaches or irritability than taking a higher dose. So instead of starting with a super tiny dose and working up, it's generally a better idea to start with a higher dose and work your way down. Right. So it's the opposite of what most people train, but it's because when you take a little bit, you basically go in, you store stuff up, but you've used all the zeolite, you've used all the binder, all the binding capacity, and you've made this mess. Now the body is left to clear the rest of the mess, which takes energy and that can cause symptoms. If you took a higher dose, you go in, you bind stuff, you stir stuff up, you make a mess, but there's extra zeolite there to clean up the own mess, its own mess, essentially, right? So the net effect is a reduction in stress. Because when you take it, you might get some biofilm disruption where you just rip open these toxin clusters. You got all this stuff floating out. You want to have extra zeolite powder there to mop up all of that stuff and some of kind of the the the just the cascade of events that happens when you detox. So there's a bunch of information on that on our website. Zealite Labs.com, there's there's a 40 page document, if anyone cares, that goes into the the logic behind the dosing paradox and all of the the potential reasons why that's occurring. So it's kind of interesting, but it is important because especially someone that's very sensitive, maybe with mast cell activation syndrome or chronic Lyme disease or you know, mold toxicity, someone that's a little bit more reactive to things right now, if they take the micro doses of these products, a lot of times it makes them even worse. And it really defeats the purpose of why they're trying to take them. And this is why I don't recommend anything. I would never recommend a nano zeolite product or a liquid zeolite product, because these are microdose, microdoses of zeolite, right? So you're just taking a very, very tiny amount and a lot of times they make you feel absolutely awful, which is really not what we're going for. It makes a lot of sense to me, even though you're calling it a paradox. And I guess it is a paradox. It actually does make a lot of sense to me. But as somebody who happens to be sensitive to different chemicals, different materials, even different natural products, which this is. I have a hesitancy towards saying, okay, I'm going to take a big dose of this thing. What because, what what is this going to do for my system? Even though logically I understand what you're saying and that makes sense. So have people had reactions to the larger doses of zeolate, even if they tend to be on the sensitive side? Yeah. I mean, everyone has, I mean, people have had reactions to all doses because there's no way to know how you're going to respond. But it's your the chance of having a negative reaction is greatly reduced when you take the higher dose. Right. So way less. So some people will start with because the temptation, and it's not that it's a high dose, it's that it's a normal dose. What people like to do is they want a micro dose. And microdosing is not normal. It's like if you took activated charcoal and you mixed it with some water and you took a sip, I don't think anyone's doing that. that would probably be a disaster too. It's just that people have Thought that that was a good idea to do with zeolite for some reason. So you want to take the proper doses of things. Same with, if someone was on a medication and they took a micro dose of it, sometimes it has the exact opposite effect as the high dose biochemically, right? So it's like you want to get the right dose. So generally what happens is if someone takes, you know, one scoop, let's say of zoo charge and they get a little headache, the next day they'll take two scoops. And a lot of times they don't get the headache or it's less severe. And they say, okay, I'm moving in the right direction. It is better to start with the higher dose than to experiment first with low doses, though, because you don't want to cause the irritation. You want to prevent the irritation from being caused. So what I tell people is one, always take the dose that you're comfortable with. But if you're not comfortable taking at least one scoop, don't take the product at all. Because it's just, you want to understand what you're doing. That's why I've got the education on the site for people to check out to make sure that they, it's something they want to do. but yeah, I'd say, you know, at least one scoop is kind of a minimum, especially for sensitive people. Most sensitive individuals will take between two and six groups, which is 10 to 30 grams of the zoo charge in one single dose. It's not split up throughout the day. And that generally works the best. Now, initially, this is where it's tricky because there's no guarantee there's not going to be a reaction because we don't know what it's binding to in your body. We don't know what your body's response is going to be to that binding process. Let's say you go in and you grab some lead and it disrupts a biofilm. And now you have all these parasites and fungi and things that are just. Released immediately. your body is going to have to deal with some of that stress because the zeolite's not binding to necessarily the parasites or the yeast. It's binding to some of the byproducts of them, but it's not binding to them directly. So there might be a little bit of stress on the way out. So some people will get an initial purging reaction where they might even throw up or have, loose stools or get nauseous, you the first couple of days of taking it. That's not necessarily a bad detox reaction because it's just your body accelerating the clearance of something. What we want to avoid with detox reactions is the redistribution of toxic filaments. So that's where if you took a tiny bit and then you felt terrible because your body just couldn't clear what was stirred up and some of it has to find a new home, opposed to taking a higher dose where you don't get the symptoms. The higher dose was just a more efficient detox for for toxicants like heavy metals. But the microbial issue is where it gets tricky because if you take more, it releases more biofilms and you might have a stronger purging event at least initially, right? So that's all in the dosing paradox. doc document, but it is a little bit nuanced, but just the general rule it like the theory states 10 milligrams of zeo charge is more likely to cause detox reactions than 10,000 milligrams. that's the theory. It's more it's a likelihood. It's a probability game. But there's no guarantees because we just don't know what's in each person and and how they're going to respond. But there are, thousands of people that have been sensitive that have taken the higher dose and it has worked. We also have, on the website there's a link to A user experience podcast essentially where people share their experience of how much they took, what their reaction, did they have reactions positive or negative, et cetera? So we have that resource as well. So people can see in real life, what is it actually doing for people? some of these people are taking 14 scoops a day. Right. So it just, it just goes through the whole gamut of of that. So we've got we try to put those resources because we know it's scary. if someone has mass selectivation syndrome and they're sensitive, and I'm here saying, you just want to take a little bit more, it's That's, you it's it's tricky. I understand it. So we try to put as much information as out so people can be comfortable to do what they want to do. And then of course do what you feel comfortable with. Cause that's gonna have a, you don't want to do something you're not comfortable with because then you have that mental emotional placebo like added effect that could be contributing to potential symptoms as well. So we're talking about the zeolite being affected by the toxicity. In our bodies, right? And you're saying that if there's more toxicity, you almost need more of the product in order to deal with that. So have you noticed anyone who well, let me move from the question. Could anyone actually be allergic to the zeolite? Very unlikely. So it's it's not. And it's so it's not a bioavailable nutrient. That's one thing to understand. It's not working on any specific pathway on the body. It's literally just going through and passing through. So, one concern people will find when they look at, people on social media that have no idea no idea what they're talking about would be something like, zeolites have aluminum in them, so don't take them. So, cause zeolites by definition are an aluminosilicate, right? So there's alumina as part of the str cage structure makeup. There's not free aluminum. It's just part of the makeup. It's not bioavailable. It's not breaking apart. It's also not synthetic immunoreactive aluminum. It's alumina, which is aluminum oxide, which is actually considered a ceramic material opposed to a metal, right? So it's completely different. There's just a lot of information like that. But put I I suppose I've never seen anyone have an allergic reaction to it. Some people will think they might be having an allergic reaction because there can definitely be an increase in histamine response. Because if you go in and you stir something up, And you mobilize the toxicity, then you get that immune response that results in histamine. Then you think you're reacting to the zeolite, you're actually reacting to your own toxicity in your body that was liberated, right? So that'd be kind of the confusion. It's and people actually take it, it binds to histamine. So it can reduce histamine. But the question is: if you take a little bit, you bind to some histamine, but then you stir all this other stuff up. Now you have an immune response that results in extra histamine. So it's all about the net effect, right? Some people it's going to reduce histamine, some people it's going to increase histamine. It's based on your response to the product. So yeah, it's never really directly a reaction to the product. It's a reaction to the detox process. Yeah, I actually did a Google search on it because I had never heard of this before. And exactly what you're saying, the aluminum and this like silicone and all this stuff that people are like, stay away from it. These are the cons and this is whatever. Do you have testing on the product or something? That says this is what it is and it's been tested. So it's not just a theory or just an idea. You have factual data. Yeah. I mean, we're I mean, there's there's no data showing that it's not safe. This is just people saying random stuff with absolutely zero evidence. I mean, there's no silicone in the product, there's no aluminum in the product, it's aluminosilica. So it's naturally occurring silica, naturally occurring aluminum, alumina, aluminum oxide that are combined in a mineral structure. That cannot be broken apart. Right. So there's there's tons of clinical research on clinoptilolite for humans, for animals, and it was used industrially before. And it shows that it is safe, it doesn't cause issues, and it stays intact in the stomach acid. So that's this is the main reason that clinoptilolite, zeolite is used, because it's stable in stomach acid. So if you were using some toxic version of zeolite, then yeah, it's probably going to cause problems. And then there's the problem with a lot of these social media influencers and people that just say things that maybe they haven't researched enough is they do a quick AI search on zeolite, but they don't know how to ask the right questions to the AI because there's, 50 different types of zeolite. And there's synthetic zeolite that's made in a laboratory that's completely different than natural zeolite. So they mix all the information together. Because if you use a synthetic zeolite, they're actually making it out of aluminum. Yeah, that's terrible for you. But that's not what we're talking about here, right? So That's where it gets a little bit tricky. But yeah, what we did just to you know, just to basically prove that it was safe was we did a six month case studies program prior to even launching our company, where we were doing heavy metal testing and we were testing it to make sure that it worked and that it was safe. And that's I you can find most of that on the website just under the the case studies tab, right? So we showed that it was able to reduce all 15 heavy metals that we tested it for from the tissue level. And most of the time it was actually improving vitamin levels. And improving mineral levels at the same time. And that's of course going to depend on your response to the product, because if you effectively remove metals, generally your minerals and vitamins are going to go up. If there's a stressful response, they might go down temporarily. So it just depends on how you're responding. There's a couple of microscopists, so people that use a microscope to analyze blood for a living. They, a couple of them just tried it and they sent in their results to us. So we put those on the case studies page, showing just the improvement in the blood. As well, right? And then we've got, thermography. This there's some other stuff. So essentially, and I've been taking 60 grams, 12 scoops a day for coming up on two years at the end of this year. And before that, I was taking 30 grams a day, right? And it's like my my lab markers just keep getting better. And there's a number of people who have been taking this for years and they get healthier and healthier and healthier every year. Their lab work gets better and better and better. If we were being poisoned, that this would not be the case. Right. It would be going in the opposite direction. You've got a lot of HTMA practitioners that use it. They would know if it's causing some sort of toxicity, which is not right. So yeah, there's there's plenty of proof. It's just there's a lot of like one of th there's just a lot of information that's just not necessarily correct out there, which which is why I go on these podcasts to, just share what I think about it. And I appreciate that. I cannot believe you've been on this for two years. And I imagine somebody listening might say, What how can somebody detox for two years? But even as I say that, you're not detoxing for two years, are you? You're just sort of balancing out what's coming in. Yeah. And I've I so I've I've been on the the really high, well, I would call it a high 12 scoops a day, which is a high dose. I've been on that for two years. I've been on lower doses for four years before that. So six years, six years total. So it's yeah, essentially it's it's It's probably overkill. I don't think I need 12 scoops. I'm doing it to prove a point. One, that I think it's safe and it's not, you know, causing any issues. If I take more than I need, I'm just kind of wasting product because there's going to be unused zeolite cages, then I'm just going to poop out. Right. So that's it because it it grabs whatever your body's currently processing. If there's more than you need, you're just wasting the product. It's not really causing any harm. So it's better to take more than you need than not enough. Right. So mo I don't recommend people take this much because it's just not necessary. But that's just what I've been doing. Once I hit December, I'll be hit, it'll be 24 months on 12 scoops. I'll probably go back to six scoops because I don't think I'm I don't need to be taking 12 scoops. But yeah, essentially some people will take it short term because they just want to, remove some stuff from their body in the short term. Some people will continue on at longer term. It just depends on their goal. if you've had mercury fillings in your mouth for 25 years, your body is not going to let you get rid of all of that mercury in six months because. It's a your body has to slowly let go of these things from tissue because otherwise it would be too stressful on the way out. Right. And what people think is that they can go in with like a zeolite or something and just go rip this stuff out of tissue. That's actually not how it's happening. You're binding in the GI tract and your body is letting go of things from tissue. So that's why if you take, you know, a bunch of zeo charge, it's not like it's just going in and ripping out more stuff. Because that would destroy the dosing paradox thesis, right? That's not how it works. It's just grabbing. What's in the GI tract, and then the body lets go of things from tissue. So that's why taking more doesn't necessarily cause more symptoms. We're potentially taking another detox product, the more you take, the more symptoms you're going to get because it's just trying to push more stuff out. But there's nothing to catch that toxicity that's in your GI tract, which is where most of the toxicity is that you're dealing with on a daily basis. And I honestly can't say that I know anybody that doesn't have any sort of GI issues. Wait, it's not even necessary. So so One of the main things, and no one talks about this, but I think one of the main benefits of ZO charge is it is its ability to bind to your body's own waste products. So, naturally we're producing things like ammonia, which is a highly toxic compound that we produce from protein digestion. If our bodies aren't working properly, then our bodies have a difficult time breaking that down and clearing it. So, for ammonia, for example, is broken down in the liver to a less toxic byproduct called urea. Which goes to the kidney and it's filtered out. If your liver is congested, now you have a reduced ability to break down the ammonia. The ammonia ammonia can build up, that can go to your bloodstream, that can actually go to your brain and cause a lot of symptoms, right? So just binding to these things that aren't even coming from outside, but are just coming from in your own body is I think the number one step to detox because most of the toxicity we're faced with every day is our own internally sourced toxicity from metabolic waste products like the ammonia, urea, histamine. And then microbial waste products. So when we have imbalance, we might have some excess fungus, we might have some excess yeat, some excess, bacteria, whatever it is, they're releasing their own waste products. Those are also adding to our toxic load. So things like lipopolysaccharide and the zoo charge binds to lipopolysaccharide, which is also hugely beneficial because that's highly inflammatory. So binding to those things. And then you have recycled toxicity. We kind of covered it earlier with the liver, where if your liver is toxic, it filters this toxicity into the small intestine through the bile. And then it recycles over and over and over. So when you take the zoo charge, you can go and bind to that toxicity in the small intestine. You prevent it from recirculating. Right. So all of these sources of toxicity that are coming from within us are the number one source of toxicity. If we can clear all that out with a binder, then the stuff that's coming from outside, our body has more energy just to clear on its own. So we just get obsessed with the external sources, but it's the internal production of toxicity that most detox protocols don't look at. I think that's the number one step to really really an effective long-term detox. Yeah, really helpful. This has been an education and I appreciate it. Is there anything else that you think our listeners need to hear? Anything you want to leave them with? I'd say I always say, and most people are like, this is not helpful, but I say it anyway every time. The key to an effective detox is getting healthy. The healthier you are, the faster you're going to detox naturally because you have more resources internally. To deal with stuff. So it goes back to identifying, what is the X factor in your life? Is there something that you need to deal with that you're just putting on the back burner? If you can deal with that, that's going to make everything in your body work better, including natural detox. The healthier you become, the less supplements you need. So it works great. Right. So supplements are to help us in times of, you know, we need extra support. But as we become healthier, we need less. So that's also what we do with Zero Charge. is you you go down on dose over time. So one of our programs, it's called the ultimate Z Love Experience, you it's five months of detox. You do six scoops per day for the first month, once per day. The next month you do five scoops per day. Then you do four scoops, three, two, and then you're done after five months, or you can maintain on one. The idea is you peel off layers of toxicity, you need less support. And that just applies to everything else in your life too. As you get healthier, whatever that means to you, whenever you need to do, then you can start taking less stuff over time, I think, right? And sometimes it's it's easier said than done. We can't just reduce all the stress in our life. it's, it's not feasible. So sometimes when we have higher levels of stress, whether that's internal stress, mental stress, emotional stress, physical stress, that's when we need a little bit of extra support to come in and help our body do what it needs to do because it's extra burdened, right? So healthier you are, the faster you detox. I'll just I'll say that. Amazing. And you had mentioned your website earlier. can you just mention it one more time in case people want to check out your product? Yes, so Zeolite Labs.com and the product is Zeocharge. And then a bunch of information there. It links to our Instagram page. There's some good content in Instagram. then there's a link to all the other stuff from the website. Fantastic. Thanks, Jeff, for being here today and sharing all this amazing information. Thank you so much, Jill. I appreciate it. Keep up the great work. That's a wrap for this episode. Honor what landed, release what didn't. And we'll see you next time on the Healing Blueprint.