Tech Difficulties | With Michael Westmore | TNG 4.18 "Identity Crisis" | T7R #311

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Lieutenant Paul Hickman is a family man with two kids.
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Lieutenant Commander Susannah Lytton, almost married Paul Bagro and Jordi
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enjoys the bachelor's life a little too much, or so
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he says, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Seventh Rule.
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Was Sir Rock Lofton.
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Hello, Hello, my.
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Name is Ryan T. Huskin. Today we're doing a review
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of Star Trek the Next Generation, Season four, episode eighteen,
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Identity Crisis. Story by Tim Dehaz teleplay by the Brannon Braga,
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directed by Winrich Colby. This was March twenty third, nineteen
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ninety one. Where were you? And we've got a very
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special guest with us today, everybody, if you can believe it,
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this special guest is known as a makeup artist and
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makeup effects supervisor the world around the world renowned person.
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We're stalling because he disagreed friga pree evident. How you
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doing today, Sarrock.
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I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm excited to talk
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about this episode. I had a lot of fun with it,
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and you know, obviously having the legend Michael Westmore himself
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here as well as you know, an honor because this
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is this is this is one of the best, uh,
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one of the best episodes as far as keeping that
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mystery and suspicion going. I felt like we're reaching a
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point on this show, at least in this segment of
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the fourth season where we've gotten a lot of horror.
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It seems it seems like this show is taking a
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slight horror twist. And I don't know if that was,
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you know, relevant to the rise of these horror films
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and the success of those movies in the box office,
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The Night thirteen, you know, in those kinds of movies.
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But if it feels like this show and the like
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I want to say, the last three episode block or thereabouts,
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we've taken the horror twist where it's like you're watching
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the episode feeling like, you know, you don't want to
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watch it alone at night. Let's put it that way.
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It's like this maybe watch it in the day die
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like we're doing. It makes me feel fine, but I'm
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not into being scared too much. So scary movies and
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horror films my cup of tea. But it is in
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the tradition, in the line of the kind of mystery
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that we used to feel with the original Star Trek
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series for me, that that's one of the things I felt.
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Yeah, you know what else makes me feel fine? Summer breeze.
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So I think you too. So everybody, we are waiting
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on mister Michael Westmore. He's got some technical difficulties, but
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he'll be joining us in just a second here. Obviously
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you know who he is, multiple multiple time award winner,
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and he's basically a legend in this industry and he's
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a legend, world renowned. Oh there he is, mister Michael Westmore.
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How are you okay, sir? Good?
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Thank you.
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We've got a lot of wind right now in LA
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and the San Fernando Valley, so I think that might
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be affecting her Wi fi.
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If you wanted to get me on the phone too,
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it's okay.
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Okay, but this is working right now. So okay. First
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of all, just thank you so much for hanging out
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with us, Michael, because you always are so gracious with
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your time and we really appreciate you and value your time. So, Michael,
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when they first gave you the script, do they give
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you notes on what they want it to look like
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or do they just kind of say make whatever you like.
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We trust you.
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He's like, I'm not telling.
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What a bummer hey everybody. Well, we ran into some
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technical difficulties, so I don't know if Michael Westmore will
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be able to join in again. It's very very windy
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in LA, so it's kind of messing with people's WiFi
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for the last couple of days. Anyway, Michael Westmore did
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a phenomenal job. Srong, right, Yes.
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He did, Yes he did. And I can tell you
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maybe some of the questions I had for and you know,
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for example, I wanted to know what that mask and
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that outfit behind you was made out of. You know,
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it had that iridescent kind of Were they filming it
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with a black light? Is that some kind of black
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light you know, paint job or makeup job. That was
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kind of one of the things I wanted to know
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about because it looks amazing on camera and it does
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kind of have that iridescent feel to it where it's
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you know, it just looks amazing. So that was one
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of my big questions. What the material of the of
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the takeup was?
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Should I pick this up?
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Yeah, yeah, I do it. Maybe he's got the answer, all.
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Right, So we spoke with mister Michael Westmore and he
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gave us all the information we needed over the phone.
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Apparently the technology just doesn't work sometimes we apologize for that.
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But basically, in a nutshell, six hours was how long
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LeVar Burton was in the makeup chair.
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Wow.
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Six hours. And you know, Siraki, you and I were
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wondering if that was you know, like black light, if
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they painted him with black light. And yeah, he said
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that the paint that they used was like black light
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paint that would glow. And also the contact lenses were
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were made, you know, contact lenses that would glow and
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you put drops on them. So they would put these
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contact lenses in add some drops and then they were
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like yellow contact lenses. When you add the drops, those
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would make them glow. I don't know how that works,
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and if you were here, he could probably explain it.
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But that's what he said.
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Pretty amazing, right, sounds like it was a miserable thing
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that I mean to put all that stuff on, you
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know what I mean, the drops, the contexts that all
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that makeup painting, I mean cheese. Six hours, you know
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that that means to take it off in order to
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preserve it. It takes probably another two or three hours. Yep.
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That's what. That's nothing Wes Moore said. Was that he said,
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and then to take it off and to clean them up.
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It was two hours more So, LeVar bur.
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Is an eight hour day, just all makeup eight hour day,
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full day worth of work, just getting in and out
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of that thing.
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An eight hour day bookending your workday. That could be eight, ten,
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twelve hours exactly. I know he does not look fondly
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upon this episode. LaVar Burton must really LeVar must have
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hated but he got.
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He got an episode centered around his character that wasn't
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weird or super creepy. It actually made him look like
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a normal guy for the first time in a long time.
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Great relationship, great friendship. Yeah, and just to finish up
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on the Westmore stuff. He I will tell you this
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that when we spoke on the phone, he said, oh yeah,
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identity crisis. Oh yeah, So I don't want to speak
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on his behalf. But he seemed to be remembering like,
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oh boy, that was that was quite a task. I
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don't remember exactly how he said it, but oh ah,
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this would have been great to show him we actually
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have everybody Jordy LaForge ready to join us. It's LeVar
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Burton everybody please welcome LeVar Burton.
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Oh wow, oh wow, I have the actual for those
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of you listening, and I've got the actual action figure
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of this character.
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Uh yeah. Did Michael Westmore happen to name the species
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of this thing? He happened to know what it was or.
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He kept calling them and we didn't get a chance
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to find out why. But he was calling them the DJs,
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no way, he said it like three times he said,
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oh yeah, and then the DJs. We did this and
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with the DJs, like, I wonder what the DJs means,
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and we'll never know what the DJs were. We could
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ask later, but yeah, the DJs, he said. Those other
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people the DJs were just like full bodysuits. So that
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was quick in and out right. But we could help.
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We could obviously tell which parts were like make up
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heavy and which parts were body suit shoots. You know.
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Yeah, I wanted to congratulate him in unfortunately would give
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a chance to you know, do the full interview as normal,
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but I really wanted to congratulate in on the makeup.
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The believability level was high for me. It did not
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look like it was dated or like something like, oh,
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that's old school doesn't even look like it works today.
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You know, like when you see the original Gorn from
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the Star Trek, you know, the original series, and you're like,
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not so you know, scary looking.
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Not too scary enough.
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But this makeup was scary looking. It was. It gave
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me creepy vibes, like what if this were to happen
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to somebody and this is you know, because it made
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you kind of visualize this character who starts off, you know,
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such a beautiful person. The Jordie's friend here will Commander
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Susannah Lyton, Yes, Susannah Lighton. We though did a very
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good job in this episode for a person who just
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is introduced at this moment to have that kind of
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chemistry to make it feel like she's has camaraderie with
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these people. I felt like there was a level of comfort,
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comfortability with Riker and with Jordie that made her feel
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like she's always been, you know, having this kind of
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ongoing friendship with people. So Ferda established that so early
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on without actually being a regular cast member.
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That was pretty good mm hmm. And she had some
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moments in the makeup chair for sure too. We didn't
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get a chance to find out about that but assuming
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that was a few hours, I mean she didn't get
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like the full well, she kind of did have a
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full face of makeup for a little while.
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It was a full face in that hand.
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I was wondering about the hand situation too, because what
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was it that it was like when they were in
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the full body suit, we also saw like the full hand,
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but it kind of came together and was like really
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long and all that. And I was hoping to find
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out from Wes more of like if that's more wardrobe
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when it's like a full body suit, if that's I
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think it's still makeup effects. But it looked like it
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wasn't just like gloves. It was like kind of full,
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you know, there was like filler in there to make
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it look abby and long enough. I'm just curious about
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what what's in there, what that process is, because even
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that stuff, you have to custom make a glove that
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can fit like that, you know, and that can go
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long and has like weird nails and all that.
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But it had it like a gelatin type feel to
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it right in between, like the way it was molded
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into one kind of nub or something. It felt like
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some some gelatine action there and made me think of
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a jump justtick ah.
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So you wanted to lick those alien fingers?
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No, No, I have already licked them. They were job
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just sticks. They made out of the same material. Problem, gotcha.
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But yeah, very good job. And actually that kept and
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I mean the commander that we were talking about, that
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full facial makeup that she was in at one point
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that was pretty detailed too. Like it was it looked
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it was. It was one of those moments where I
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had to pause it and draw it. I like the
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over accentuated upper kind of lip where it was like
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a huge, bigger piece on there, the nose ridge kind
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of looking reptilian to some degree. I felt like this
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was like a This felt like a transformation into some
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kind of reptile. And I'm sure that if we had
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a chance to ask Michael westmore about it, he would
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have mentioned probably some reptilian inspiration behind. I felt like
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lizard lizard reptile kind of vibe, because you know, you
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have those lizards that are able to change color camellia
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some of them, Yeah, and some of them are iridescent,
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I think to some degree.
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So this is fun. Just to back up with what
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mister Michael Westmore said, I wanted to look up like
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you know what it says online because this is all
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things that he must have said in the past. So
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just to close out the makeup talk, here are some
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of the points. One, it took four makeup artists six
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hours to apply the full Tarchanan three species makeup to
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LeVar Burton. According to Michael Westmore, it was the longest
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makeup ever done on the next generation, so it sounded
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like it six hours, sounds like the longest, but that's
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confirmed six hours and it was four makeup artists. Unbelievable.
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Then on top of that, it says the west Moore
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made makeup and prosthetics were so intricate that LeVar Burton
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needed a nurse on hand when removing and reapplying for
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bathroom stop.
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Uh.
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And then lastly, yeah, this episode was nominated for an
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Emmy Award for Outstanding Achievement and Makeup for a series.
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Of course, that happens all the time with Michael Westmore's
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He's used to those.
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And Tartani in three is what you said there?
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Call Tarchain Tarshannon or tar tart Shannon anyway, counselor Troy
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wasn't in this episode either. Okay, so that was kind
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of like the trivia of.
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Four makeup artists six hours. That's that means if one
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person was applying it, this is a twenty four hour
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make up Yeah.
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That's it. Round the clock. So anyway, everybody, you can
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understand why we wanted Michael Westmore for this episode because
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this is like, you know, it was nominated for an Emmy.
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It was like the longest anybody's ever been in the
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makeup chair, and you know, it looks amazing. It was different.
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It wasn't just like a forehead piece or a different outfit.
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They basically said, go for it, go nuts, do something
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totally new and unique and different. But we'll talk more
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about this episode. We're going to take a quick break.
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I bet you Michael's WI file then work all of
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a sudden. But anyway, we'll take a quick break and
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On the seventh Rule. Everybody, welcome back to the seventh Rule.
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Was Sorock the game changeer Lofton Yeah hello, who during
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the break, by the way, said that he wants to
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break that record. He wants to be in the makeup
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chair for nine hours, so oh yeah, we have that.
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He says he wants seven makeup art is a designated
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cheeseburger and grapes person that just feeds you.
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Yeah, not to mention that nurse.
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Yeah, okay. So here are the trivioids of the week
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and Paul Hickman as a family man with two kids.
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Lieutenant Commander Susannah Lytton almost married Paul Bogo, which I
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thought was weird that they named two characters that were
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not in the show and they were both called Paul.
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I wonder if they knew they were doing that. Jordi
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enjoys the bachelor's life too much. Lieutenant Warf is certainly away.
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Team is being watched. Lieutenant Commander Data is strongly motivated.
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All that was cute to solve this mystery. Susannah Lyton
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has developed an extreme sensitivity to light. Beverly Crusher crushes
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some medical technobevel All right, before we touch those, though,
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do you want to point out very quickly, Michael Westmore
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has a documentary coming out by four fifty five Films.
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It is about Michael Westmore and the legendary Michael Westmore family.
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So check that out. Four fifty five films, Michael Westmore documentary.
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That's the people that did this great documentary to the Journey,
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The Voyager documentary, the premium, the premiers are coming out
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right now, the screeners, and it's basically done. It's a
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great and great documentary. Check it out. You can still
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get anything you want from there's DVD's, Blu rays. You
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can find that anywhere. Just look up Voyager documentary on
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any social media and I think that's that. They also
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did Deep Space nine documentary featuring sarac Lo often the
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captain's close ups for the love Spock, all kinds of
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stuff anyway, Soroc. Yeah, Paul Hickman's a friend of mine too.
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It was weird that they said, Really, I have a
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very good friend. I produced a couple of films with him.
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His name is Paul Hickman, good pal, and he is
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also a family man, and he also has two kids.
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I don't think he's in Starfleet, but I thought that was.
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But so of course, you know, I texted him and
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I gave him the line I said, uh, I texted
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him the line. I said, I know Paul Hickman. He's
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a family man, he has two kids. He texted me back.
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He says he would never steal a Space shuttle unless
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he was having an identity crisis, so of course he
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knew exactly what I was talking about and referring to
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because he's a Star Trek fan too away.
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Its great.
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So what did you think of Jordian Commander Susannah Lytton
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and the fact that he had like a normal friendship
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with a woman.
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Finally, this dude is not a creep and not doing
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like predatory behavior, just normal hangout talk, conversational stuff. He
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wasn't awkward, he wasn't nervous, and if he's just like
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that on a date, then he would be fine.
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You know.
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It's it's it's the nerves that get to him. To me,
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this was the most normal conversation I felt like he's
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ever had with a woman so far in the four
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and a half seasons I've been watching this show, and
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it was refreshing because I think Jordi is a charming
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person who really cares about his work and is not
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not as creepy as he has he has been perceived
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to be or written to be in this You know,
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he's he's like a good guy. You know, he's he's
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a he's a kind of a blue collar guy. He
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doesn't skip skip any steps. He's all about you know,
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he's the only guy that can check data on informational stuff.
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Nobody else can check data. Everybody else says they bow
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down the data.
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Data like, okay, sounds good.
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Okay, that's that's good with me. Said, data comes exactly,
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and data comes in. He's like, have you tried this?
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He's data.
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I've tried this. I did the UV spectrum, I did
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the infra red magnum, I did the electro scam, I
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did bro.
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Who do you think you're talking to?
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Man?
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Yeah, exactly, and data has no comeback to that. He's like, well, well,
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you know, you did try everything that I would have suggested,
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so you have nothing else Like data, a computer has
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nothing more to say. Well, but you didn't try this, right,
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He was like, all the answers, all the basis covered.
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So that's Jordy. He's like, he's smarter than it can be, right,
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and that's just his natural love and passion for the thing.
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he seems wise and mature. Like it's just funny that
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you know, they needed this storyline and they're like, oh,
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we'll use it with Jeordi. We need a character that's
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kind of like this. But then the problem is that
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the way LeVar Burton plays this character doesn't really feel
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like what they're writing for the character, Like we've already
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kind of like, sure, our minds can connect it, we
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can if we want, but it's not like an automatic
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feel like we go, oh, yeah, yeah, that that tracks.
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That sounds like something Jeordi, you know what I mean. Like,
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from what we know about Jordi, he seems like a
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good guy. Maybe he'd be a little awkward around women.
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Sure we could see that that happens to a lot
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of people. But but it's almost like the way a
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LeVar comes off versus the way they try to write
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these specific just these specific parts of certain episodes. Not
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everything else works, so he leaned into all the other
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stuff and nails it, And then they write this other
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kind of thing and it kind of feels like it
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contrasts a little bit with how we feel LeVar plays Jordi.
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Either way, it's so funny.
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Well, to me, the way I would have played him
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in a relationship wise, if I was gonna write for him,
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I would have wrote that there was a you know,
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somebody in engineering who also was attracted to him, who
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was an attractive person attracted to him, but he was
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so nerdy and focused on the ship's engines and stuff
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that he doesn't even pick up on those signals that
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she's flirting with him. That would make more sense to
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me the kind of guy that Jordi is. Jordie would
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be like, pass me the compressor, nebulizer or whatever the
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hell it is, right, and she's trying to look flirty,
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and he totally doesn't get it because he's like in
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love with the engine, right, or in love with the You.
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Like to compress things?
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Huh?
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Oh you like nebulizers? And he's like, yeah, that's what
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I said. Can you pass it please? Oh you like
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to pass things?
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Huh. But never exactly That would have played better for
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me in like relationship wise. He just seemed like a
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nerd who loves ships, right, who loves the ship and
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it's engine and the engineering of it. So uh, And
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that's okay, But the whole like the way they've played
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him kind of an almost creep level kind of borderline,
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you know, herb a little bit it was not really
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working well for me. This relationship felt what real somebody
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who truly cares about somebody the way he had the
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concern for her. I thought the scene where he visits
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Uh visits her in the hospital when she's starting to
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undergo this transformation, instead of being repulsed by the look
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that she has, he still leaned in on her, grabbed
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her by the hand. He wasn't afraid to touch her
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for example. There was little moments like that to me,
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but showed his compassion and sensitivity as a human being.
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For you know, his friend that he you know, he
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talks with all the time. So he grabbed her by
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the head and said, you know that's going to be
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all right. I'm going to try to figure this out.
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Just little moments like that shows me his character.
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You know, I'm looking at the picture of the actor
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that played Paul Hickman, and he doesn't look that far
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from my friend Paul Hickman to actually he kind of
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looks like him. It's so weird anyway. Also, I wanted
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to point out the reason I was looking at the
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characters was we got another Nurse Ogawa episode. Suddenly we
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finally have a second doctor a nurse, but a second
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person in sick Bay that's there for more than one episode.
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We're finally, we finally have somebody, and it's like this
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nice comforting feeling of knowing like that there's like a
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second person in there that we know and we recognize
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it's not just always somebody that just walks around like
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hands or something. And like, if this kind of feels
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likes kind of like a lonely role for Gates McFadden,
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if like all of her scenes are just her talking
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to a bunch of featured extras and then the guard
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walks in and she explained it to him. But what
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if she actually has somebody that's always kind of the
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same person that has lines, that can run some lines
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back and forth with her. Everyone's well, suddenly it kind
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of opens it up, and it feels like such a
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better role all around, wouldn't you think?
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Yeah, like I said, anytime they introduce the whole depth
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of the people that are on that ship, there's a
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thousand people on that ship, right, there's over a thousand people. Yes,
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you know, so I like to get the little bit
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of a slice of life from the people outside of
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the name characters that are also on that ship serving
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with them. It's like, this is where Lower Decks essentially
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gets its its ideas from the There's a whole bunch
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of people on this ship that nobody's even talking about, right,
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they're just background people, right, They're like you, they're the ship,
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the night Shift, or the guys that are just you know,
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doing doing the jobs that no one else wants to do.
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But show us the slice of that too as well.
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And I thought that this Commander Layton character worked well.
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I liked her character. Actually I thought she was going
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to die off in this episode, and surprisingly I was like,
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well this this red Shirt didn't die and you know,
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and perhaps would even be brought back later on. I
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could see this character easily being future possible love interest
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for Jordy.
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You know, by the way, when you said night Shift,
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of course, we all thought of the Commodore's hit song
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on the night Shift, all right. So another character that
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I wanted to talk aboot was Ensign Graham. We got
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another and Ensign Helm of the week, right, Ensign Graham
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played by a Norwegian actress, Mona Grout. And guess how
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many episodes she's in.
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One?
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You know, you know, Next Generation So well, Yeah, it's
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either one or it's two. That's it. That's the entirety
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of it. So we never see her ever again. It's
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like they just have every two weeks or every week
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they have the helmsman of the week, and that person's gone,
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and it would be so great if they just but again,
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they can't just have the same person there all the
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time because they're basically featured extras and those people are busy,
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they're working. They're not gonna they're not gonna be on
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retainer for six months for you know, an eighty dollars gig,
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right right.
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Uh. We also had a Dennis Madalone side that the.
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Other Yes, sir, of course, he took a majority as
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he did.
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Brilliant physical Jordy. I thought that was great. I was like,
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there's his hair was short, so you know, he didn't
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have the loan greatest American hero slinging hair in that scene.
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It was nice and short. He took a nice little
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uh stomach bump, you know, and and and sold it
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very well. So I thought that was great too.
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To see.
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Dennis met Alone danger totally.
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I always love seeing it, but I always have to
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pause it because I only met the guy a couple
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of years ago, so I always have to like pause
482
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.440
and go, wait a minute, is that? Yeah, that's it,
483
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.319
you know, because I've only seen him thirty years after this,
484
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.640
you know, but that's the guy. We recognized, that fellow anywhere.
485
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:09.160
He's always there.
486
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.839
Yeah, So what did you think of? I mean, there
487
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:20.119
was no Troy. What I really liked, though, was Crusher Gates.
488
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:25.079
McFadden did really well with the technobabble. She had medical technobabble,
489
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.519
which is just as hard as starship technobabble, you know,
490
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.200
and she knocked it right out. She just blurted the
491
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.119
stuff out as if she knew what the hell that meant.
492
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.480
And I thought that was really impressive.
493
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.160
Yeah, it was so impressive that it made me look
494
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.039
up some of the words because I was like, is
495
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.799
this she really saying stuff? Or is this you know.
496
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.880
One of the things she said, she said, the skin
497
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.519
has a my medic ability or something something about a
498
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.680
mometic and I was like, what the hell's mametic? So
499
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.480
relating to her constituting an element of a culture or
500
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.400
system of behavior that has passed from one individual to another,
501
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:09.000
so by imitating or other non genetic means. So anyways,
502
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.519
it was like it's a real work, right, yeah, one
503
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.400
that I don't come across too often. But I had
504
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.519
to go and do my little backup on it. But
505
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.000
she was just going through those words. You know, she
506
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.720
mentioned the viral crochet or something to that effect. You know,
507
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:27.480
it's a viral crochet. I'm just thinking crochet, like we
508
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.039
crochet and some viral stuff.
509
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.319
I know she means like I think it was like
510
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.279
Craig kresh, which is like, I know, the word in
511
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.559
French clash is like a baby's you know, like what
512
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.640
they what are those cribs or what they sleep in
513
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.519
or like, you know, whatever like that, So maybe that's
514
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.640
what it meant, like it's a place where the thing
515
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.519
develops and grows.
516
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.440
Very nice. But she was spitting it off like she
517
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.240
you know, she was on top of it, so I
518
00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:00.200
did like her medical technobabble was one point.
519
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:01.880
Although I will say the one thing that she said,
520
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.680
and I don't know how it keeps sneaking in. It's
521
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.960
kind of like how everybody pronounces omicron differently, like sometimes
522
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.759
they say omicron yes, she said sen sores. I'm like,
523
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:13.599
what's going on?
524
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.599
Some day I wrote in my notes to just I
525
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.880
was like, it's sendsorce today, ha sensors.
526
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.519
It's every week they pronounce it differently, they go back
527
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:23.000
and forth.
528
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.119
I wrote it in my note too. I was like
529
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.880
sandsor huh uh. Yeah.
530
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.279
I did like.
531
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.839
Herst scenes a lot. I thought also that Patrick Stewart
532
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.160
did a great job in this episode as Captain, just
533
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.000
making the deliberations, making the right calls. When Jordy kind
534
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.000
of makes an appeal to him and says, Captain, you know,
535
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.640
what would you do sitting and sick bay and wait
536
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.160
to die or would you try to figure it out?
537
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.079
I thought he made a great appeal. I thought that
538
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.200
Captain Picard made the right movement saying, you know, go
539
00:30:55.240 --> 00:31:00.839
ahead and try to solve this Jordy. I enjoyed this episode.
540
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.480
At some point I thought it was going to be
541
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.759
a doesn't Data do a Sherlock Holmes.
542
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.359
Yeah.
543
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.759
At one point I was like, I hope this don't
544
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.160
do the SHERLOCKO because he because he started to become
545
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:13.640
really interested in it, right.
546
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:15.559
Oh, you're right.
547
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.720
What if he said, nah, this is a job for
548
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:24.200
Surelock great and then walk Jordan and he's like, Watson's
549
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.640
not supposed to have three fingers Jordy came down. But
550
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.200
that brings up my next point that I wanted to
551
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:35.079
ask you about, which is why was Data not helping?
552
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:37.920
And I understand that Jordi said no thanks, I don't
553
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:42.920
need the help, But like, if two people have presumably
554
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.839
died or disappeared, a third is dying, a fourth, a
555
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.680
very valued crew member and friend of the crew, has
556
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.920
this disease and is going to die. And why is
557
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.680
Picard not putting everybody on this?
558
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:02.559
Why?
559
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.160
I mean, Crusher's working on it, Jordie's working on the mystery.
560
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.400
Why doesn't he have Data working on it? Why isn't
561
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.480
Riker doing an away mission? Why isn't Troy trying to
562
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.079
sense if there's another being in him? Like that's all
563
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.359
hands on deck. One of your senior staff is dying,
564
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.000
and he's like, all right, so you you got the
565
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.200
you know? And then why would Jordie also say no thanks, Data,
566
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.119
I don't need your help. Of course you need Data's help.
567
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.359
He can help everybody with anything. He's a he's a
568
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:36.680
very very useful tool. He can do anything. That was
569
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.920
just so weird. What Data should should have been in
570
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:41.519
there working with him.
571
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.599
I felt the same way about the use of the
572
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:51.559
rest of the crew. For example, when Jordie is rewatching
573
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:56.480
the film trying to solve the mystery, I'm thinking, why
574
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.039
isn't the rest of the crew doing that too, Like,
575
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:03.000
why is it on Jordy to have to rewatch the
576
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.799
film and try to solve this mystery? Why is not
577
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.319
why is it Riker in there, you know, with data
578
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.079
trying to like solve this mystery of you know, what
579
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.680
other entities in the room or what could have caused
580
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:17.480
this contagion?
581
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.960
And even wharf can be helpful. Warf is chief of security,
582
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.839
which means he deals with mysteries. He deals with you know,
583
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.240
invaders or burglars or any you know, because there's another
584
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.640
shadow in there, there's something going on. Well, you're a
585
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.480
security officer, what do you think happened?
586
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:33.720
Right?
587
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.519
I mean I thought that they should have all been
588
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.319
in that room together trying to watch that tape to
589
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.759
collective le my mind's working together figure out did they
590
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.039
all touch the same thing, did they all eat the
591
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.599
same you know, what did they all do you know
592
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.519
that caused this or was there another presence of something?
593
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.480
You know? I felt like it was on Jordy to
594
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.680
figure that out and he's the one that's about to be,
595
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.960
you know, transformed. It. It felt a little bit strange,
596
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.920
and since we're picking apart little things, I like to
597
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.639
add one more to that too. And this was my nitpick.
598
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.000
I thought that earlier in this season, on this show,
599
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.280
at some point or another, that we saw that Jordie's
600
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.280
visor was able to detect ultra violet.
601
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:27.119
True light.
602
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.400
I thought he was able to look at something and
603
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.199
see ultra violet light, and all of a sudden, when
604
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.840
he was on that away mission looking on the planet,
605
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.960
he would have been able to see the ultraviolet these
606
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:48.000
individuals that are basically invisible except for the ultra violet spectrum.
607
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.599
I thought that Jordie's visor would be able to see that.
608
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:57.000
That's interesting because I think they saw it because they
609
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:02.280
were emitting an ultra violet light. So does that mean
610
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.280
he could see the I don't know. I don't really
611
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.320
know how that stuff works, but maybe that works. But
612
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.639
I feel like his visor should be able to I mean,
613
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:11.880
we do know, it's been well established his visor can
614
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:15.079
see things that we can't, So that would have been
615
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.800
another wrinkle in this story that would actually made it better.
616
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.679
If he says, you know, I thought I thought I
617
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.639
saw something on the planet, but then it was gone,
618
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.800
you know, it's you know, my visor. And then that
619
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.199
could be part of the solution where they say, well,
620
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.840
maybe the reason your visor saw it, well, let's let's
621
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.280
look at the seven things that your visor can see
622
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.880
that we can't see and then start kind of narrowing
623
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.159
it down that way. That would have been a really
624
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.960
fun way to do it, is you know, using his visor.
625
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.119
Oh and also, yeah, when he turns into the alien,
626
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.039
he's not using a visor anymore and he can see theoretically, right,
627
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.199
So maybe it's not all that bad. Maybe it's like, hey,
628
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.280
they should have covered that. They should have said, you
629
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.760
should have said, bro, I got I could see for
630
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.719
the first time ever.
631
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:04.119
This is and that was my other nitpick on this episode,
632
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.400
and that is when Jordie transforms into this chameleon Tarkanian
633
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.039
DJ whatever.
634
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:13.519
Uh.
635
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:23.519
This commander lighton Is walks up to this alien and says, Jordie,
636
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:29.119
it's me. It's Susie, Susanne, you know, I understand what
637
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.679
you're going through and don't worry and just come with
638
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.000
me and it'll be all right. And I'm thinking, does
639
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:43.280
this thing speak English, like like this is an alien.
640
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.559
This is a completely different life war, right, you also
641
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:46.199
do it in.
642
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.480
They're pretty good friends, but like he's also pretty good
643
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.480
friends with like Ryker and Wharf too. He's been working
644
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.079
with every So I mean, like she shouldn't be like, uh,
645
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.760
step aside, boys, I'll take care of this, and they'll
646
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.119
be like, wait, he knew you for two weeks back
647
00:36:59.159 --> 00:36:59.960
in the day. That's cute.
648
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.559
But and even her reasoning like I'm the only one
649
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.039
that can find him, and I'm like, why because you
650
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.559
can see in the dark or something like what.
651
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.320
Are your your.
652
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.920
Instincts would know where they are because you were one
653
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.519
of them. For a second, I didn't that the logic
654
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.840
behind why you would be the one to find them
655
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:23.239
wasn't explained. You know your eyes still adjusted to that,
656
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.840
and do you still have the you know, rednal d
657
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.559
D able to see like they can see something. Give me,
658
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.920
give me some science behind why you are the only
659
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.000
one that can find them.
660
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.079
That's a good point. Maybe she still could see at
661
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.480
that level. That's interesting. But you know they're just trying
662
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.840
to give the guest star kind of like the arc
663
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.360
and how she could become the hero. You know, I
664
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.400
get why they did it, But yeah, I didn't really
665
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.159
make too much sense. Well, let's talk about the home
666
00:37:54.239 --> 00:38:00.639
run of the episode. S rock Loften, who gets the
667
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.639
home run of today's episode? Would you say?
668
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.519
Yeah? You know, even though we couldn't get him on
669
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.719
today and have him on, Michael Westmore gets the home
670
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.800
run for this. This episode was driven by the makeup.
671
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:19.679
It made it. It sold the script to me. And
672
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.280
the mysteriousness behind these creatures, you know that was built
673
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:27.400
up with the footprints and whatnot. And this riddle, this
674
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.119
mystery to be solved, all comes down to the execution
675
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.719
of the makeup, which I think Michael Westmore did a
676
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.760
fantastic job, which is why I have him on the
677
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.719
Mount Westmore.
678
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:45.079
Very good. All right, you know I have to agree
679
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:50.800
with you. Michael Westmore home run easily home run Wi
680
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.320
Fi strikeout, Wes Moore home run.
681
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:56.599
Yeah.
682
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.760
So for all the reasons obviously, you know, not just
683
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.559
that he applied this great makeup, but just being able
684
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:04.920
to like put it together of saying, hey, we need
685
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.960
four makeup people, we need this, and that we need
686
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.159
a nurse. This is how much we need you know, Like,
687
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.239
there's a lot more to it than just being good
688
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.960
at makeup. You also have you're basically like a producer too.
689
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:18.800
You know, you're also you know, it's kind of like
690
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.760
a desk job without a desk in a lot of
691
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.079
ways sometimes. But anyway, Big time stuff by Michael Westmore
692
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.960
are really cool. Okay, let's give a special thanks to
693
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.119
some of our pals here. One of them's not our pal.
694
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:40.480
Guess which one. Homer Brazelle, Doctor Anne, Marie Siegel, Eve
695
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.280
England out in Wales, Youvet Blackman, Tom t J. Jackson
696
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.840
Bay out in Missouri, Titus Moller, doctor Mohammed Nor Tierney, c. Deekman,
697
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.639
anil O Palatt. You'll see him on the other side.
698
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:55.639
Joe Balserati, Mike Goo, doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent. I
699
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.679
bet she'll have a limerick ready for us on the
700
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.679
other side. Faith Howell, I'm looking at who's in the
701
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.639
in the door waiting. Edward Foltz, my live from Tokyo,
702
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:10.280
will be joining us next. The Matt Boardman is also
703
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.800
coming up. Alison leech Hide will be coming up as well.
704
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.199
Chris McGee is coming up. Boy, what a live, What
705
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.599
an all star cast we've got. Justin Weir, Jake Barrett,
706
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:28.320
Henry Unger, Julie Menasfi, Jed Thompson, doctor, Susan V. Gruner,
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00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:34.679
don't see her, Glenn Iverson, Dave Gregory, Tim Baum, Chris Sternet,
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00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.840
Dylan Powell, Peter Draymore, Chris Garis, and of course everybody's
709
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.360
pals Jason Oaken and greg Ka Wickstrom. Well I don't
710
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.159
see that, mate. All right, everybody stick around. We've got
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719
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Look who's joining us. It's Melissa Longo and her band
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of shirt wearers like Terry Schwent, Chris McGee, anil O Palette, Be,
721
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.599
Matt Boardman. They're all wearing Melissa's shirts. It's amazing. Also
722
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joined by Jason m oakin his shirt's comfortable. My is
723
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:46.199
live in Tokyo. And Alison leech Hide I think has
724
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.119
a Star Trek shirt of the Month shirt on. That's awesome.
725
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:58.800
Jake Cisco guesses the IMDb score. O, let's see, this
726
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:04.000
was a good episode, old, I kind of just under
727
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:10.199
an eight at a seventh night? Does anybody else have
728
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:11.639
a guest that doesn't already know?
729
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:13.920
Seven?
730
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.199
It was seven three is what I was going to say.
731
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Yeah, seven five. Well, unfortunately, I think you've all overbid day.
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I know, I know it is. Let me make sure
733
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:36.320
I've got this correct. Six point seven.
734
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:41.760
Six point seven kind of rude, kind of rude the
735
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.239
way Jason blinked right there, He's like, that's about right,
736
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:44.960
that's not rude.
737
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:45.679
That works.
738
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.480
Again, that was a general guest, not my personal opinion.
739
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.280
Yeah, that's come later. O.
740
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:57.360
Right, what do we have?
741
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:57.639
Oh?
742
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.800
Non appearance mentions? Do we get any? I didn't see
743
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:04.679
any or hearing? Okay, unless one of the two Palls
744
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.280
shows up at some point, or Paul Robo or whatever
745
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.840
it was, and some kind or some sort.
746
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:17.800
Of indeed, uh, do you got some Melissa Melissa?
747
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:19.039
Oh?
748
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:23.840
Yeah, Well, Doctor Crusher says some kind of parasite.
749
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.519
How many times.
750
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.519
There were a total of five in this episode, starting
751
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.920
off with the Forge postulating on the disappearances in the
752
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:43.480
turbo lift with light and says some sort of compulsion
753
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:44.840
like a post if not a command.
754
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.519
Then the Forge, confused by Lightings change up behind to
755
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.400
search through the records for commonality, says, that's not how
756
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.000
you felt before. It was your idea to look for
757
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.599
some sort of commonality. It's two good one third one
758
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.599
is in Sick Bay Door Crusher, when Nurse Ogawa demonstrates
759
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.559
Lightin's new you know ability with the skin, says her
760
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.719
skin is simulating light, a radiant reaction, some sort of
761
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:13.639
memetic ability, and then yes twice Starctor Crusher mentions the
762
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.039
parasite in that way when she just first discovers it,
763
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.559
says they're in the thymus some sort of parasite, and
764
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.559
later explaining it to Lighton says, we've removed some kind
765
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:28.320
of parasite from your thymus. So I have total wow.
766
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.119
It felt like an episode that was going to have
767
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:33.119
that a ton because they're trying to figure out what
768
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.480
the thing is. What the point I'm trying to make,
769
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.440
Melissa is, what did you think of this episode well.
770
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When I looked at IMDb, I was really surprised that
771
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.280
it was a six point seven because I really enjoyed
772
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.079
this episode for several reasons. And I'm not going to
773
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.239
get into the plot holes because there are some there's
774
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.719
some scientific holes, but you know, we're watching people and
775
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:06.960
living in space. So but what really stuck out to me,
776
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:14.079
aside from the incredible makeup job that was everywhere in
777
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:20.360
this episode, it was stunning, stunning, and I love the contacts,
778
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:28.360
was the relationship between Jordie and Commander Lighten, and they
779
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:35.000
both had such strong acting choices in this episode. The
780
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:40.840
scene where they're in ten Foard together really established their
781
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relationship and how it's been built when they when they
782
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were working together previously five years ago. I love that
783
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:56.079
she calls him little brother, and you feel that when
784
00:45:56.199 --> 00:46:01.280
she's reaching up to him for help when she starts transforming,
785
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.000
and then again when he hugs her at the end,
786
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.440
you felt it that was genuine concern for each other.
787
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:19.320
The transformation that Susanna made was incredible. From when we
788
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.719
first see her in the first scene, she's confident she's upright,
789
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:28.199
and then her apprehension and fear and all of the
790
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:33.280
stuff that comes with this unknown thing that's going on
791
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:37.320
with her body. It was really good and so for
792
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.360
those things, I really enjoyed this episode, and it made
793
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:48.280
the mystery all that more important. So oh and I
794
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.800
have to say that I love that they cast an
795
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ensign at the helm that had a different kind of accent.
796
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That was fun Norwegian, I believe.
797
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.000
Yeah, I like seeing that kind of thing.
798
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.440
I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of her in
799
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:13.400
the future. Stuff. Thank you very much, Malisa Longo. We
800
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.159
hope to see much more of you in the future
801
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:21.360
and constantly. Right, Jason m oh good, Jason m Oakin
802
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.119
is here, everybody? What's up? Jason? What did you think
803
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:25.440
of this episode? Top five?
804
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:31.679
Not quite? I make it no secret. It's not my favorite.
805
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.760
Certainly not bad, but it's not one of my favorites.
806
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.280
I think what holds it together certainly, as Melissa, as
807
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.000
you said, it's to make up in the performances. I
808
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.119
thought the performances were wonderful. Frankly, anything you know, any
809
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.039
episode of that features LeVar, it's just wonderful to watch
810
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.519
him that he's not always given the best stuff to do, unfortunately,
811
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.960
but this was you know, one of the better ones
812
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.599
for him, and certainly the performances to you know, some
813
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of them it was shot was very very interesting to me.
814
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I think. I think in some ways what I what
815
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I find interesting is that the script itself felt a
816
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.199
little creepier than the actual episode, and I think at
817
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some level it was for me that I was missing.
818
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It's sort of this kind of creepiness, a little bit
819
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of an unusual type kind of sci fi story. There
820
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.840
was something that was a little bit of a disconnect
821
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.800
for me in terms of how it read and versus
822
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.360
how it looked on the screen. It's a little better
823
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.760
than I remembered it, certainly once I started looking at
824
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it a little bit more carefully. But something, and I
825
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.079
can't quite put my finger on it. There was a
826
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bit of sort of creepiness and urgency in the script
827
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that didn't feel watching it. And you know, one of
828
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the things that they've added to the story was at
829
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.559
the very beginning of Act five you have the captain's
830
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log given basically a ticking clock of an hour. That
831
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seemed to have been an addition post shooting, because it's
832
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.119
not in the script at all. I think they needed
833
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.000
to add I think they may have felt it was
834
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.719
a little bit, you know, they needed a little bit
835
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.719
more urgency there, so that was added afterwards. Maybe that's
836
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to me a little bit of a sign something may
837
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.599
may have been a little off here, But overall I
838
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:08.960
think it's it's certainly, you know, a decent midst season episode,
839
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and again, you know, watching wonderful performances is always exciting.
840
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.199
Great stuff. Thank you very much, Jason m Oakin. I
841
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.360
feel like you've got something saved for the next segment too.
842
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.599
The way you're just kind of seem like a guy
843
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.360
that's holding an ace in the hole right now, and
844
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.039
I don't know what it is, but thank you very much, Jason.
845
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Anil O Palatte is calling us from Georgia, the country
846
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:35.960
or the state, who knows. I don't even know if
847
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.280
that's true. But what do you think of this episode?
848
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.920
It's funny you said that, Jason, because I agree you
849
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.039
do you ever see like a cat and it just
850
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.559
doesn't like another cat, Or like you see a person
851
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.320
somewhere and you're like, I don't like that person and
852
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:51.559
you don't know why. That's kind of how I feel
853
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:55.000
about this episode, Like it has all the things, like
854
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.800
it looks great. It's got lots of Jeordy. I love Jeordy,
855
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.039
like it's it's got a good sci fi concept. But
856
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.840
there's just something missing. And I think it's what you
857
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:09.119
said is I don't like it. I guess it leaves
858
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:13.679
me not feeling something like it's not scary enough. It's
859
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.599
not maybe strange or weird enough, you know what I mean.
860
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.280
You kind of know where the plot is going, like
861
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.639
we're going to get Jordie back, everything's going to reset,
862
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:28.000
So it's kind of missing something between all those elements
863
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.639
that that's kind of how I feel about it. I
864
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.239
think it looks great, and I love the Holidack scenes
865
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.800
where they're using it like as an investigation tool. I
866
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.880
think that's really great. We don't see a lot of
867
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:41.239
that on Star Trek in general.
868
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.280
But I think.
869
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.480
Probably my head candidate is they would be using it
870
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.760
all the time because it makes recreating like a crime
871
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:53.000
scene or an accident or you know, anything they need
872
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.360
to investigate so super simple. Like they would be using
873
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.519
it all the time. So yeah, So I don't know
874
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:04.280
it has everything, but it's missing something for me. Yeah
875
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:06.480
makes sense to me.
876
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:13.400
O'Neil. For many many years, I did not like this episode.
877
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.119
We didn't even have a chance to get into that
878
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.800
at the beginning, but yeah, I didn't. I don't know why.
879
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.480
I just never liked it, you know, I haven't seen
880
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.239
it like twenty years or thirty years. And then when
881
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.199
we're coming up on this, I was like, oh, yeah,
882
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.280
that episode I don't like. I was like, oh, it's
883
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.559
not so bad. But that was the impression I had.
884
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.320
I remembered it, And I don't know why. My is
885
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.639
live in Tokyo, but we do like her. What do
886
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:40.400
you think of this one?
887
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.920
You know, for me, the hint about what the episode
888
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.719
was about came right at the end, when the last
889
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:52.000
vestiges of Georgie's humanity allowed it to be pulled back.
890
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.159
Because to me, I think back about what was happening
891
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.000
in this show, and just to give a bit of back,
892
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.239
I think, like when I was in junior high school,
893
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.480
there were the Moonies who were trying to recruit people,
894
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.000
and their parents are trying to recruit them back and
895
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:10.400
kidnap them back and reprogram them. Patti Hurst kidnapping high School.
896
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:12.960
We had the People's Temple massacre with a thousand people
897
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:17.400
dying drinking the kool aid in college. I remember walking
898
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:20.639
around campus and seeing the stand set up by the
899
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.199
Hadi Krishnas, and I was go over there and I'd
900
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:24.960
hang on to eat their sweets, and they gave me
901
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:26.480
a copy of the bog by Gita to read, and
902
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:27.280
I was like, cool.
903
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:28.679
That's all right. I had dinner up their temple one
904
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.039
time that you can say in chant if you want.
905
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.960
I'm like, nah, I'll just stick for the vegetarian dinner,
906
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:33.800
which was awesome.
907
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.199
And free, and in college that meant a lot to me.
908
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.360
Other things that can get us roped in. Drugs are
909
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:43.039
a big one. Even love gets you roped in in
910
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.079
a lot of ways. I found this episode to be a.
911
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.920
Metaphor really in its entirety, taking its entirely, not taken
912
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.920
as the you know me on varicos veins or the
913
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.800
other makeup. The whole thing was a metaphor for giving
914
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:00.760
up common sense, or for giving up our autonomy. I'm
915
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:05.480
no longer acting based on a fact based reality sort
916
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:05.800
of thing.
917
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:11.440
You know people were, People have given this up for beliefs.
918
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.119
Look at look at the millennia of people killing each
919
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.079
other because of their beliefs in an afterlife or for
920
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.840
addictions or for emotions. I think the episode was, in
921
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.039
certain ways maybe a word of caution, a reminder that
922
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.880
we need to stay vigilant and true. So I found
923
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:28.360
it a very thought for booking episode.
924
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:36.679
Actually meon vericos veins perfect, Thank you very much, my
925
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:41.360
live in Tokyo, Chris McGee, what is up? What do
926
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:42.800
you think of this one?
927
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.719
So that was your takeaway from what I said was
928
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.840
the young that's the whole book.
929
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:55.519
Sorry, I very much enjoyed this episode.
930
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.960
Perhaps not one of my favorites, but definitely up there
931
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.800
pretty close. One of the things that makes it really
932
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.239
stand out to me is the fact that the director
933
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.800
I recalled in I assumed the DP as well maybe
934
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.199
made some interesting choices in this episode, such as the
935
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.039
long establishing shot of the outposts on the planet, the
936
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.280
close up shots of Susannah's eyes opening, long stretches of silence,
937
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.239
Jordie's point of view as he walks into doctor Crusher's office,
938
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:29.159
data assembling the beacon. All these things just seem very unusual,
939
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.119
and sure they do slow down the episode, but I
940
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:35.159
appreciate the break from the same old monotonous blocking and
941
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.360
staging and such that we're used to. List of things
942
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.800
that I appreciate in the episode. I appreciate that unusual
943
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.199
opening cold open with the recording of an old away
944
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.559
mission instead of an enterprise flyby with the captain's loga
945
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.360
like that re used to I also liked that they
946
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.320
were consistent with the timeline in terms of the uniform,
947
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.800
just reusing the ones from seasons one and two for
948
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:03.440
the mission log footage. As Malise had pointed out, Jeordie
949
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.400
caring for Susannah, especially as she began showing those or
950
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.159
these signs of her transformation, is another example of why
951
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:16.280
Jeordie's my favorite character. I love Beverly clearing her throat
952
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.400
to get data to admit the truth about fearing for
953
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.239
his friend in the best way he can. And I
954
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:26.760
love watching Jeordia as that Neil had mentioned investigate the
955
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:30.159
mystery by working with the computer and having conversations with it,
956
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especially on the Holidack.
957
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I don't know why.
958
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:36.639
I just enjoyed seeing that. In terms of the effects,
959
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:41.199
the effect that really blew me away was the shadow
960
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:44.320
on the wall on the holid deck with seemingly nothing
961
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:48.679
casting that shadow. I think that was I think personally
962
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.639
expertly done, and I'd love to know the tricks involved
963
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:57.000
in making that happen back in nineteen ninety one. One
964
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.719
that pick I'll bring up here is that at the
965
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:03.400
end and when Picard says he's going to place beacons
966
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.039
in orbit and on the planet to warm people away,
967
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.840
wouldn't those beacons be kind of tantamount to a form
968
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.000
of genocide? I mean, there's probably a better word for it,
969
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:17.079
since if the creatures can't reproduce because there are no
970
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.400
new hosts, then they would eventually die out, would they?
971
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:23.159
Not sure?
972
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.760
But for the memorial quotes a very short one this time.
973
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.400
It's one that I quote often when I get frustrated
974
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.079
with my PC, and that's the forage saying multiple times
975
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.719
in this episode, all right computer.
976
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.840
Yeah, good point. You're like sterilizing a species basically, as
977
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.719
Kerry calls it, extinction. Cool, good stuff, Thank you very much,
978
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:58.519
Chris McGee, Carrie Schwent aka Crafty Bears here Carrie pop quiz.
979
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:00.320
What did you think of this episode?
980
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.840
I like it, like it more more this time than
981
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:12.440
I have before, which I'll get to in a moment.
982
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.360
But yeah, the makeup work is fantastic. LeVar is a
983
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.119
trooper and a half having this the makeup took six
984
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.280
hours and four different people to apply it to him,
985
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:26.679
and somebody had to follow him around like whenever he
986
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:32.440
needed to use the little Commander's room, and that could
987
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.800
not have been fun for him to do. And she
988
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.920
is a trooper and a half for going through that.
989
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:41.239
I love the use of the holidays. If you look closely,
990
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:46.280
the people when they were freezing did as best a
991
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.840
job as they possibly could singing still and is your Eagle?
992
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.000
I can see the movie just a tiny bit, but
993
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.880
it's enough that can easily be forgiven given how they
994
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.280
filmed it. Filmed it back then. I kind of feel
995
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:00.639
like this episode almost has like an ex Files kind
996
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.800
of kind of quality to it, Like I can see
997
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.960
Mulder and Scully like investigating this. Hence by background, this
998
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.920
is Mulder and Scully's office with his pencils, and they
999
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.519
throws up there when he gets bored, for when he's
1000
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:16.400
when he's thinking. The couple of couple of the couple
1001
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:17.079
of guest starts.
1002
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:17.760
We got a.
1003
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.880
Tiny bit of Dennis Madalone. He actually has a couple
1004
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.039
of lines. He's the the guy that Jority knocks over
1005
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.800
in the in the transporter room. I thought he did
1006
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.960
an excellent job and a little bit more on the
1007
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.039
ensign that that Malise Melissa pointed out. Yeah, I love
1008
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.559
her accent. Also love her accent, and she was the
1009
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.800
reigning Missed Universe at the time. At the time when
1010
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.199
when she filmed this episode, and I checked her IMDb,
1011
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.320
she only has four four acting credits total on her
1012
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:50.719
i m dB in this episode is one of them.
1013
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.079
I thought she did great.
1014
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.280
Yeah, I thought she was very cool.
1015
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.000
And apparently two of the the tar Cannons in like
1016
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:05.239
the Folk full full makeup were local ladjs named Mark
1017
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:05.960
and Brian.
1018
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:08.239
I've ever heard.
1019
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:14.880
Rocky, and apparently on the call sheet they had time
1020
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.280
set aside for them to do interviews with the various
1021
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:20.920
cast members. I found that on Memory Alpha. That's thought
1022
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:26.119
that was very very cool. Now we all probably anybody
1023
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.480
who was here and who has maybe seen it, remember
1024
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:34.760
how intensely I reacted to Galaxy's Child and how Jordy
1025
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.400
was Belie in particular, I remember her reaction quite quite
1026
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.199
quite vividly. This episode makes me feel so much better
1027
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.920
about Jeordi, because this is how a healthy relationship with
1028
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:51.719
a woman looks like. You can see their friends said
1029
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.800
that they've been friends or agents, and how easily they
1030
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.800
bantered with one another, just how comfortable they feel around
1031
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.880
each other, and how well they take care of each other.
1032
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.239
It actually reminds me a little bit of my my
1033
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.599
husband and I at times. And I can honestly see
1034
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:12.280
in the in the future her and Joy possibly being
1035
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:14.960
being the one that he gets married to and has
1036
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.119
children with, because as far as I know, it's never
1037
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.360
not completely confirmed because we never hear the name and
1038
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.679
we never see her in in Picard. So in my
1039
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:31.320
head she is who she who actually Marrits. That's that's
1040
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:35.119
that's my head head cannon anyway. But the scene with
1041
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:40.960
Beverly and Data is just so so sweet. He cares
1042
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.079
and he and she knows he knows he cares, and
1043
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.119
she calls it, calls him out on it, and just
1044
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.239
I thought it was just super super adorable and Beverly
1045
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:55.920
and slight side note, Beverly and there's a Gawa totally
1046
01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:01.559
coming and Clutch figuring out how to say save Susannah.
1047
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:05.639
With her figuring out the light thing and Beverly doing
1048
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.360
her they're doing their detective work, finding the little parasite
1049
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:13.400
and the that limus. I will get to my Limerick
1050
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.159
in a moment because it's it was inspired inspired by
1051
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:20.119
inspired by data. I was going to save the question
1052
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.639
that Chris brought for things oftime set. I completely one
1053
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.639
hundred percent about Picard and the warning, the warning movies,
1054
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:34.400
not not knowing anymore about how how they how they pergrey.
1055
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.960
Are there any creatures on the planet that they could use,
1056
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:41.599
maybe to adapt to that? Potentially? Sadly we will we
1057
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:46.199
will never know. But for the for the Limerick, Data
1058
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:52.480
has some feelings. I have concerns about my best friend.
1059
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:56.400
If I fail. Is this where his story ends? I
1060
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.840
have great motivation to stay here at this station and
1061
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.079
see that his health is well on the mend.
1062
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.800
Thanks very much, Carrie. Go ahead.
1063
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.840
Sorry, when Data goes to check on Jordy and engine engineering,
1064
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.480
he could have stayed with him. He could have helped
1065
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.679
he could have helped him out in the holiday and
1066
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.519
he's just way to find Jorty in the holiday after
1067
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:27.039
he went all invisible. Turn the holiday program off, because
1068
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.719
then Jordy would be the only one left there. You
1069
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.360
wouldn't have to search all the treame. Just cut the
1070
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:33.480
holiday program down.
1071
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:38.480
Good point, good stuff. Thank you very much, Carrie Schwent,
1072
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:40.480
and you answered the question star Rock, and I had
1073
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:46.320
Michael Westmore kept calling those aliens the DJs, and we
1074
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:48.440
didn't know why he was calling him that, and you know,
1075
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:50.599
he had the technical difficulty so he didn't get a
1076
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:53.719
chance to ask him that. But now you answered that question.
1077
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:55.440
He said their names were Mark and Brian. They were
1078
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:59.920
actually local DJs. Get it now, all right? Thanks very much.
1079
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.559
Alison leech Hide loves her clothing from Garrick's Clothiers. What
1080
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:07.280
did you think of this episode? Alison?
1081
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:13.719
I have always liked this episode because it is a
1082
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.440
Geordie episode, and it is and he does a great
1083
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:20.119
job as always, and it was wonderful to see him
1084
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:24.000
have a true friendship with somebody from his past happens
1085
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:24.719
to be female.
1086
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.639
We gave the overused plot device of him having bad
1087
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:34.679
Romance's arrest, which is great. I very much appreciate that.
1088
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:39.239
I think the actress who played Susanne Lytton was quite lovely.
1089
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:43.199
I'm not sure about her hairstyle, but she was quite lovely,
1090
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:49.599
and I like the mystery I missed Troy in this episode.
1091
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.000
I do think she would have been useful in this
1092
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:58.320
episode because you know, Georgie is going through something where friends,
1093
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:02.159
colleagues from the past are literally doing stuff exceedingly out
1094
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:06.000
of the ordinary and disappearing like that's a lot, and
1095
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:09.480
she could help with the mystery of why they're doing
1096
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:11.559
that before we get to this whole medical thing. She
1097
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.400
could have at least helped in the beginning. My favorite scene, though,
1098
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:21.000
is still going to be Data and Crusher. That is
1099
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.559
so sweet. And I thought Pressure was great in this
1100
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:27.239
episode too, So I'm pretty much gonna be echoing what
1101
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.679
everyone said because those were all the great points, and
1102
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.719
the makeup and lighting in this are fabulous and should
1103
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:36.000
have won the Emmy, not just got the nomination.
1104
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:36.760
I think that's.
1105
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:37.480
Where I'll come.
1106
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.639
Excellent. Thank you very much. Alison leech High calling in
1107
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:47.920
from a fair. That's cool. The map Ordland doesn't know
1108
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:50.960
what a fair is because he said it sounds very
1109
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:58.519
non marital. What did you think of this episode?
1110
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:05.639
This episode? It's interesting because in the history of my
1111
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.639
watching Next Gen, I just I always remember this. There's
1112
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.199
like certain episodes that are like kind of like a
1113
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:17.400
black hole, like a void, because they're not as talked
1114
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.760
about or they weren't shown as often, you know, when
1115
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:24.840
it was in syndication or whatever, and and I don't
1116
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:28.960
know why. This episode always has that anomalous feeling to
1117
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:32.719
me when I watch it, but it does. I remember
1118
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:34.320
the first time that I watched it, I was I
1119
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.320
was at my friends and we were in his basement
1120
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.280
watching it, and I always the beginning always kind of
1121
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:44.400
gave me some like Aliens vibe with the with the
1122
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:45.400
outposts there.
1123
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:45.760
You know.
1124
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.960
I don't know why, but it always felt like, you know,
1125
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:52.559
this is something that could fit within like the Aliens
1126
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:59.239
universe of stories, right, But yeah, I don't like, you know,
1127
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.480
like ryan'said, like like Jason and like an Aneil. You know,
1128
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.039
it's just there's a lot of good pieces to this episode.
1129
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:08.719
And but for some reason, when I think about it,
1130
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:11.119
I always kind of have a negative connotation to it.
1131
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:12.559
But when you watch it, you're like, oh, yeah, it's
1132
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.360
actually not that bad because there's.
1133
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:16.639
A lot of really good stuff.
1134
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.320
Like you know, everybody's talk touched on a lot of
1135
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:21.880
really good things, and I think it's great. The relationship
1136
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:25.360
between Jordie and Susannah reminds me of the relationship that
1137
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.239
I have with one of my managers from a store
1138
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.960
that I worked at all what twenty two years ago
1139
01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:37.079
now at this point, even about twenty two years ago,
1140
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.880
and I mean to this day, she and I still, like,
1141
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.800
you know, our thing was to work Christmas. Even we
1142
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.360
still send to each other, you know, Merry Christmas. I
1143
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.440
remember that time we were, you know, and she always
1144
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:51.320
called me the little brother. She never wished she had right.
1145
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:56.840
So but so I like that. I like that finally
1146
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.400
we get to see Jordie have a relationship, a long
1147
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.760
standing relationship with someone where we didn't have to make him,
1148
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.280
you know, weird and awkward and and maybe even a
1149
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:12.320
little creepy about that. That interaction that he had with her,
1150
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:16.119
Like it was, it was a genuine reaction, and you
1151
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.679
definitely felt that they had a history together that was
1152
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.480
built on mutual respect and just I don't know, I
1153
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:27.159
would say a genuine love for each other because of
1154
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:31.719
of you know, their experiences and that friendship. So but
1155
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:36.679
you know, makeup's great. I love the mystery aspect of it, uh,
1156
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.880
you know. And and and honestly, how I think to me,
1157
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:46.519
one of the scariest things is that there are things
1158
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.239
out there that are unknown to us that can affect us,
1159
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.039
you know, And how terrifying would that be to know
1160
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:58.239
that you you know, you've watched other people that you
1161
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.760
have served with start to disappear and start to have
1162
01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:07.039
things happen, and that fear that must exist inside of you,
1163
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:10.480
knowing that you could be next at any moment, And
1164
01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:15.440
I applaud the fact that despite all that, Jordi is
1165
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.880
still able to, like, I don't know, find the courage
1166
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:23.319
and strength to figure out is what is going on?
1167
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:24.079
You know?
1168
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:26.479
I just I don't know's that's one of the coolest
1169
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:29.479
aspects of this episode to me, So you know, top marks.
1170
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:32.079
I don't know why it's such an anomalous episode for me,
1171
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:33.560
but I do enjoy it.
1172
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:39.159
Yep, that's how I feel too, Thanks very much. The
1173
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:46.159
Matt boardman Jake's final take srock your final thoughts on
1174
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:46.600
this one.
1175
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.720
Yeah, you know, it's funny that these last few episodes
1176
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:55.439
got like scary vibes to it because we're coming up
1177
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.920
on Halloween, and I did get Halloween vibes in this
1178
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:03.720
particular episode. So it's funny that this series is taking
1179
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:07.600
kind of a horror turn in this middle of the
1180
01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:10.239
season for the fourth season. But I'm enjoying it. I
1181
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:15.279
liked this episode. I got also felt like Final Destination
1182
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.600
kind of vibes when they were saying there's only the
1183
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.159
only two left and there's everybody's you know, one by
1184
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:23.039
one is getting taken out. That kind of gave me
1185
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:27.800
final destination vibes. The music I thought was great and
1186
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:31.159
this as well. It was eerie. It was it just
1187
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.760
played well complimented the mood that they were setting for
1188
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:37.840
this episode. So shout out to the music in this.
1189
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.359
And then I guess I wanted one line in this
1190
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:50.600
episode where Data and Crusher are having that scene between
1191
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:53.039
each other and he says, I'm an Android and then
1192
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.000
then he you know, strongly motivated to solve this mystery.
1193
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:03.800
I wanted doctor Crush to say no shit, Sherlock, because
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he plays Sherlock Holmes all the times. I thought it
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would have been like a nice little moment right there.
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But yeah, No, I thought this episode was great. It
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was enough of a mystery that makeup just was off
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the chain. I like the unusual opening for it with
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the playback on, you know, the away mission, just little
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touches like that, and also thought that Rick Colby as
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director did a good job of kind of showing me
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this set in another new way. I'm very surprised at
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how I can be watching the show so many years
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now and still get a feel that I'm in a
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new space or seeing a new angle, all these different
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all these years later. So I thought he did a
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great job of giving me some kind of newness to
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it with the Holodecks scene and with the away mission sequences.
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So yeah, I didn't know what to expect, but I
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did enjoy it.
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Nice. Well, everybody, that's it for us, if you can
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believe that, it's been a fun time. Kind of a
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mixed bag, it seems, but it seems to be some
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themes about great makeup, great acting, and everything else is
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like hey, star Trek. So thank you to the Matt, Alison, Carrie, Chris,
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My Aneil, Jason, and Melissa of course for myself, Srock Lofton,
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Melissa Longo and Aaron Eisenberg. Thank you all for hanging
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out with us. We really appreciate it. We'll see you
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next time, and until then, always remember the seventh thrill.
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I was just messing up the seventh roll.