Cheap 'n' Deep

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Brian Wringer: In this episode, we talk about music new and old.
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Robin Dean: New and old!
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Brian Wringer: We recap the Smokies.
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Robin Dean: Smokies!
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Brian Wringer: We grab a baguette from the bag.
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Robin Dean: Fuck the Oxford comma!
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Brian Wringer: And we get cheap and deep.
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Robin Dean: Deep!
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Brian Wringer: That was absolutely ignorant. I love it. Hi, Robin. How you doing, Robin?
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Robin Dean: I am good, Brian. What about you, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: I'm good. Just got back from a great trip. We'll talk about it in a little bit.
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Brian Wringer: Okay, under opening announcements, news, corrections, and banter, what do we got?
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Robin Dean: Saw a comment on the website that I did not publish. I just deleted it.
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Robin Dean: But the fact was, I was like, that's worthy of a shout out.
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Robin Dean: So shout out to Larry for the typo, double exclamation point regarding,
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Robin Dean: oh, wait, I'll read it verbatim first.
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Robin Dean: I hope this guy talks the way he types.
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Robin Dean: Typo, it route 191, not 491. That's on our Devil's Highway article.
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Robin Dean: If you go to TRO.bike, click on the search icon up top,
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Robin Dean: type in Devil's Highway or Devil highway,
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Robin Dean: whatever you want, you'll see a very long article from the very first time any
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Robin Dean: one of us had ever been on said sphincter clenching dirt road with pavement underneath.
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Robin Dean: What used to be Route 666 in Arizona, aka Devil's Highway, as it were, was relabeled U.S.
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Robin Dean: Route 191, but it is still there. It's still called Devil's Highway.
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Robin Dean: Be safe out there, folks. Bring friends. Bring a tracker.
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Brian Wringer: There's a good taco stand at the south end.
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Robin Dean: Mm-hmm.
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Brian Wringer: A lot of marbles on that one. A lot of fun. Got to be on your A-game, that's for sure.
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Brian Wringer: What's your random song of the minute? Or do you... You said something about
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Brian Wringer: Radio.Tro.Bike. What's going on there?
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Robin Dean: If you go to Radio.Tro.Bike in your web browser, that'll take you to our YouTube
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Robin Dean: playlist that was supposed to show everything we discussed, but I just like
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Robin Dean: collect all the songs in there. So that's what I've been doing.
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Robin Dean: I got two for you, actually.
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Robin Dean: One came up the other night. Don't Fear the Reaper came on and a friend asked, who wrote this song?
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Robin Dean: Like they were quizzing me. I was like, it's Blue Oyster Cult.
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Robin Dean: He's like, yeah, yeah, all right, cool.
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Robin Dean: But that didn't, that's not the
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Robin Dean: song that I think of when I think of Blue Oyster Cult, believe it or not.
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Robin Dean: The song I think of when I think of Blue Oyster Cult is Veteran of the Psychic Wars.
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Robin Dean: So if you're in the mood for some hyper melodramatic, dark 70s-ish rock noise
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Robin Dean: from the heavy metal soundtrack, the movie Heavy Metal, check out Veteran of
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Robin Dean: the Psychic Wars by Blue Isher Cult.
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Robin Dean: But the one that really dug in to my ear was,
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Robin Dean: This week, got to say, given the mood of the world right now and some interesting
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Robin Dean: things happening in our life here, Pyramid Song by Radiohead.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: But you're leading the show, so you got to up the game. I demand that you not
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Robin Dean: only have a song, random band, Brian. Prove yourself now.
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Brian Wringer: Random band of the minute. I have just discovered, like this week,
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Brian Wringer: a band called Wet Leg from England.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: Isle of Wight, actually, in England is where they're from.
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Robin Dean: Oh, she's important.
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Brian Wringer: Yes.
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Robin Dean: Go on.
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Brian Wringer: So let's talk about the sound. They have a really interesting,
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Brian Wringer: unique sound, kind of some stuff I've never heard before.
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Brian Wringer: And to this wizened old rock
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Brian Wringer: and roll veteran with ringing ears it's really
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Brian Wringer: refreshing to me when i hear people and kids
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Brian Wringer: you know i mean these are you know these are younger people doing new
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Brian Wringer: things with two guitars bass drums and
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Brian Wringer: somebody screaming it's as basic as you get it's as old as time but they're
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Brian Wringer: doing something new something interesting and they're finding fresh ways to
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Brian Wringer: just rock out with the basics i love it very weird very quirky sound you really
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Brian Wringer: have to listen like you have to listen to figure out what's going on it's not
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Brian Wringer: just three chord blues and you're done and
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Brian Wringer: As Robin may have hinted, the lead singer is both insanely hot and kind of scary.
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Brian Wringer: Anyway, look up Wet Leg. All you cool kids probably already know about Wet Leg,
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Brian Wringer: but all you old heads, all you old rockers, all you old metal heads,
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Brian Wringer: you should take a look at these kids and see what they're doing. It's pretty wild.
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Robin Dean: Do you have a particular song you approve of most?
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Brian Wringer: Mangatoo or Mangatoot? You know, make sure you get a video that's a live performance
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Brian Wringer: of Mangatoot. It's hilarious.
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Brian Wringer: And they've also got some actual videos they put together. Your mom is hilarious.
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Brian Wringer: I just think it's creative. They're doing new things. I love to see it.
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Brian Wringer: And some of you old farts who listen to Blue Oyster Cult should go check it out.
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Robin Dean: That means I got to be hip and trendy next week with something better.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, I know.
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Robin Dean: What else is good?
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Brian Wringer: Just got back from a trip to the Smoky Mountains, do some street riding down there.
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Robin Dean: Damn skippy.
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Brian Wringer: Three killer days of street riding.
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Brian Wringer: What we do is we base in Newport, Tennessee, hanging off the northwest end of
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Brian Wringer: the Smoky Mountains National Park.
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Brian Wringer: And the cool part about that is this area isn't really known to motorcyclists
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Brian Wringer: all that well, so it's not crowded. It's not a lot of that going on.
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Brian Wringer: But the hotel, the best western in Newport, we want to give them a shout out. They're fantastic.
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Brian Wringer: They've got a huge parking lot, plenty of parking for trailers.
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Brian Wringer: Yes, we trailer, we're lame. And I don't have unlimited vacation time.
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Brian Wringer: Everybody else I went with is retired.
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Brian Wringer: So did around 800 or 900 miles in three days.
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Brian Wringer: Met up with our old friend and your friend, Joe, who lives down there now.
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Brian Wringer: And we've been going there for years. And we finally gave Joe enough crap about
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Brian Wringer: never showing up and riding with us on these trips that he finally showed up.
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Brian Wringer: Got to ride with him for a little bit. And again, Tim was able to get some break-in
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Brian Wringer: miles and really get to know his new Triumph Tiger Sport 800 with all the touring stuff.
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Robin Dean: What's his consensus?
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Brian Wringer: He kind of likes it. It's all right, from what I hear.
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Robin Dean: Do you still have a cigarette dangling out of his mouth?
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah. Like when we're getting ready, you know, that's why he wears a flip-up helmet.
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Brian Wringer: You know, got to flip it up, get a fresh one going, and off we go.
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Robin Dean: Then close the helmet, let it clam bake the helmet.
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Brian Wringer: A couple of things we learned during this trip. So one of the couple of mistakes
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Brian Wringer: made in the routing, I took care of the routing.
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Brian Wringer: You know, I led the rides and all that stuff. None of us really give a crap
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Brian Wringer: if we ever ride the dragon again.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, no.
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Brian Wringer: It kind of sucks. You know, you've been there, done that. It's crowded. It's kind of lame.
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Robin Dean: It's a trophy for anyone who's never done it or anyone who just doesn't know
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Robin Dean: any better and never got beyond it.
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Brian Wringer: East of Newport, we're in that area around hot springs and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: Helene and all that damage was in the fall of 2024. The spring of 2026,
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Brian Wringer: they're still working on it. It's incredible how much devastation there is in some areas.
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Robin Dean: Really?
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Brian Wringer: 19 W is a highway in Tennessee that passes into North Carolina as well.
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Brian Wringer: It's an incredible road in the mountains and it's all new because that valley
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Brian Wringer: just got scrubbed clean.
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Brian Wringer: And it's crazy when you look around there, there's still a lot of damage and
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Brian Wringer: you can see where the water was.
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Brian Wringer: There's a town called Hot Springs, North Carolina. It's at the northern end of 209.
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Brian Wringer: Fantastic road, amazing road. It's got some dipshit name. I don't know what
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Brian Wringer: it is. The Rattler or something.
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Robin Dean: That's part of Sevens.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, 209, fantastic road. Hot Springs is a really cool town,
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Brian Wringer: but yeah, it got flooded pretty good during the, in 2024.
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Brian Wringer: And the downtown is still rebuilding. You know, they're coming back,
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Brian Wringer: but it's slow. It's not a fast process. It's really sobering.
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Brian Wringer: So one of the mistakes we made was I kind of had these routes that are kind
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Brian Wringer: of like a big stick and then a flower at the end.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know what you call those, but where you have to kind of commute over
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Brian Wringer: a large area and then you get to some good stuff and ride around and then you come back.
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Robin Dean: The dandelion?
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Brian Wringer: The dandelion. Maybe that's a good word for it, yeah. So we did that from Newport
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Brian Wringer: and then over to Gatlinburg and through the park a little bit and then on to
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Brian Wringer: the Foothills Parkway, you know, and some other stuff.
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Brian Wringer: It's debatable whether it's worthwhile. However, that middle section,
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Brian Wringer: the new section of the Foothills Parkway between Townsend and Wears Valley.
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Robin Dean: All support is Evans.
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Brian Wringer: Epic. Unbelievable. believable there's an
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Brian Wringer: old section that's from 129 it's kind
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Brian Wringer: of you know you come off the dragon in about five miles you you turn on foothills
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Brian Wringer: that's been there a long time and then they finally opened up the new section
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Brian Wringer: which is an incredible mountain road i mean they should close it down and charge
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Brian Wringer: admission i would pay up i mean it's crazy it's so good i'm
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Robin Dean: Loading up the sevens route now because i'm wondering how much of the sevens
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Robin Dean: rides did you do you see you already named the rattler.
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Brian Wringer: We did the dragon stuff yeah yeah yeah
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, we came across the park on one day on 441, which sucks because it's all
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Brian Wringer: just slow, but it's scenic.
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Brian Wringer: So, yeah, you guys probably, you know, you went around on 28,
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Brian Wringer: 129, you know, and all that stuff. Came over the foothills and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: So then at the end of the foothills, you end up basically right outside of Pigeon
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Brian Wringer: Forge, which if you thought Gatlinburg sucked, Pigeon Forge is a degree of suck.
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Brian Wringer: So anyway, you got to deal with that. So we're working on that.
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Brian Wringer: And next time I think I'm going to put together routes that go a little more north of Newport.
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Brian Wringer: We're going to try to avoid Asheville because that's a big suck.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, get a little further east into some of those mountains and maybe not
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Brian Wringer: even hit the dragon and all that stuff.
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Brian Wringer: Because it's just, we've been there, done that. We all looked at each other
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Brian Wringer: and be like, you know, we've been riding down here for 25 years.
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Robin Dean: You don't want to shit on it if it's a Monday through a Thursday.
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Robin Dean: You look at Sevens, we're talking about 1,700 miles of...
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, we were there. We were at the Dragon on Friday.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: So it wasn't bad, bad. And I, you know, we had pretty clean, pretty clean runs.
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Brian Wringer: So like we came in that way and then we left that way. We did a little loop
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Brian Wringer: on 28, but the construction really screwed that up.
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Brian Wringer: That's what, that is what it is. So yeah, we need to figure that out.
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Brian Wringer: So, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff where there's very few people out riding.
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Brian Wringer: There's no lot of traffic, but getting more into the mountains east of Newport
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Brian Wringer: between Newport and Asheville, a little bit north of Newport and stuff like that.
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Brian Wringer: So can't wait for next year. We'll get into that. We usually alternate a dual
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Brian Wringer: sport year with a street year.
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Brian Wringer: So next year for dual sporting, it's going to be interesting.
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Brian Wringer: The Foothills Parkway is actually, there's like a third segment that's all by
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Brian Wringer: itself over between 32 Cosby and I-40 south of Dewport.
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Brian Wringer: And they're supposed to connect that with the other parts.
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Brian Wringer: And you can see on maps where the land has been purchased, but there's no construction.
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Brian Wringer: So I don't know if that will ever happen in our lifetimes, but it would be absolutely epic.
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Brian Wringer: And it'd be a fantastic way to get from, you know, the west to the east.
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Brian Wringer: One other note is we saw a lot of car people there. So there was a huge mini
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Brian Wringer: rally. So there were mini Coopers everywhere around the Dragon area.
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Brian Wringer: And then we also saw the Fast and Furious guys. And they're all,
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Brian Wringer: I don't know why they do this.
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Brian Wringer: They're like absolutely nose to tail. They're maybe six feet from the car in
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Brian Wringer: front of them. or they go driving anyway in these big conga lines.
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Brian Wringer: I don't, you don't know why either, do you?
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Robin Dean: Well, some of it's just like tourism. I think there is a service nearby that
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Robin Dean: allows you to rent supercars.
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Robin Dean: Where? I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: Could be.
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Robin Dean: But,
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Robin Dean: We were, I've still, I've told this story before where we took a break in the
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Robin Dean: middle of North Carolina, in the middle of nowhere, one of the legs that just
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Robin Dean: sort of pops off of the Blue Ridge Parkway there out in the middle of nothing,
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Robin Dean: just standing there, taking a break.
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Robin Dean: Travis rolls in on a single disc on his NC700X, pours water on the caliper.
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Robin Dean: You can hear it boiling off. So we're taking a long break.
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Robin Dean: And then all of a sudden we hear all this pop, pop, pop, pop,
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Robin Dean: pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, all this noise. So out of nowhere,
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Robin Dean: there's a Bentley, Koenig-Sig, a McLaren, I think it was a Porsche 911 GTR,
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Robin Dean: their Le Mans race car type thing.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, okay. Yeah.
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Robin Dean: A CLK and then a Rubicon. And I would say the Rubicon was the poor guy,
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Robin Dean: but the thing was the Rubicon that actually meant Rubicon.
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Robin Dean: And they drove by, nobody spoke and we kind of watched and they went up the
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Robin Dean: hill and then somebody looked at the others and we're like, well, that happened.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, back to absolute silence.
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Brian Wringer: We're probably having more fun anyway. So, yeah, we did see a batch of German.
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Brian Wringer: So they tend to cluster by nationality for some reason.
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Brian Wringer: And we saw a batch of German cars go by while we were stopped,
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Brian Wringer: you know, letting people smoke and pee and all that.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, a few miles later, there was a BMW car had like, like,
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Brian Wringer: I don't know why it wasn't that, you know, wasn't there was nothing challenging
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Brian Wringer: going on in that particular place. But anyway, they decided to spin out,
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Brian Wringer: and there's oil all over the place.
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Brian Wringer: I don't think anybody was hurt, but the airbags were popped,
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Brian Wringer: and the car was definitely done for.
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Brian Wringer: And we were far from sell signal. And I'm like, good luck with that.
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Brian Wringer: I guess you got plenty of help. Bye.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, overall, great trip. We had great weather. It was a little bit cool.
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Brian Wringer: Most of the time. So it wasn't sweaty. So that's always good.
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Robin Dean: While listening to you talk about these things, I was just in Ride With GPS,
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Robin Dean: my preferred route planning and mobile navigation turn-by-turn directions app.
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Robin Dean: And I just went to load up Trip 7s.
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Robin Dean: And when I look at Trip 7s in the column view, I can see the line.
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Robin Dean: I can probably use it on my navigation app.
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Robin Dean: But when I tried to load it to figure out where you were
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Robin Dean: in terms of roads you had ridden that were in relation to the
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Robin Dean: trip sevens tour it doesn't show the line it
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Robin Dean: shows all the stops gas and food
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Robin Dean: and lodging but it doesn't show the line and then
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Robin Dean: i looked at the distance i think it was still loading but look at the distance markers
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Robin Dean: it said starts at zero miles ends at zero miles so
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Robin Dean: i may have to have a little chit chat about that issue i'm not
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Robin Dean: sure what's going on fortunately i believe i already have the gpx file downloaded
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Robin Dean: so god forbid i should have to switch over to osmond and for our listeners if
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Robin Dean: you need a fallback for voice turn by turn whatever not that everybody wants
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Robin Dean: that kind of thing if that's your sort of thing that's the what is it brian
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Robin Dean: if that's the sort of thing that's your sort of thing that's.
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Brian Wringer: The sort of thing that's your sort of thing it's the sort of thing that you
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Brian Wringer: might find to be your sort of thing
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Robin Dean: Osmond will give you the same thing for free but it's a little more convoluted so.
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Brian Wringer: Next up we normally have listener questions or questions from the wild and inspiration
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Brian Wringer: did not strike our listeners nor did it strike us start the french music
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Brian Wringer: We're going to do the alliteration grab baguette and see what we get.
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Robin Dean: You got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Number nine.
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Robin Dean: Esclamation points after baguette. Well done. In many T's and many E's.
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Brian Wringer: Is it alliteration or assonance? I don't know. Anyway, it's alliteration and
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Brian Wringer: assonance grab baguette.
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Brian Wringer: So I'll generate a random letter unless you want to do the honors.
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Robin Dean: I don't work. Not when it's your turn to work. I sit.
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Brian Wringer: We're spinning, we're spinning, we're spinning, we're spinning.
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Brian Wringer: And our letter for the week is F as in F word. All right.
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Brian Wringer: So the alliteration grab baguette for this week is F equals fricking frack.
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Brian Wringer: When you have to helicoil, the helicoils helicoil.
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Brian Wringer: So I'm guessing we're talking about those disasters, mechanical stales,
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Brian Wringer: those things that make you say naughty things.
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Robin Dean: Oh, that's the only thing that's there. It could be anything.
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Robin Dean: So it's when there doesn't need to be a problem, but don't worry, you can make one happen.
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Robin Dean: I know that I wrote the helicoil thing from that time that one of the machined
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Robin Dean: torque screws that just holds a plastic cover over the ignition coils on my
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Robin Dean: previous bike went in diagonally and just augered everything out.
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Robin Dean: So then the gap in communication between Brian and I left out a few very real
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Robin Dean: and very important details about my power drill.
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Brian Wringer: Yes. Yes, it did.
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Robin Dean: I may as well have gone at it with wood screws.
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Brian Wringer: Stop just grabbing the damn switch. Oh, it's not variable speed.
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Robin Dean: There's an episode of The Simpsons where Homer jumps into quicksand.
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Robin Dean: And then I think Marge or somebody else says, Homer, that's quicksand.
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Robin Dean: And he says, that's okay.
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Robin Dean: I'll just pull my feet out with my hands.
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Robin Dean: And now I pull my hands out with my face and bloop and just buries himself in a quick.
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Robin Dean: I've seen this happen to people. I can promise you it's happened to me before
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Robin Dean: where just the domino effect of misfiring reason just arrives you at.
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Robin Dean: And now you don't have a machine anymore. Welcome to the roadside, right?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: What are your thoughts on this?
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Brian Wringer: Two things. One of them is when you're doing a valve check or you're reassembling
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Brian Wringer: or whatever, where you have to remove the camshafts, there are these little
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Brian Wringer: things called dowel pins.
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Brian Wringer: They're like a little hollow, precisely made pin.
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Brian Wringer: And what these things love to do is come out of the cam cap that they're in.
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Brian Wringer: They like to come out of the part they're in and they like to go down deep into
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Brian Wringer: your engine, into the depths and the bowels of your crankshaft.
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Brian Wringer: And you can't just leave it there. You have to get it out.
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Brian Wringer: This has happened to me more than once. I've been very fortunate to be able
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Brian Wringer: to fish it out again with a magnet.
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Brian Wringer: There was bad language. There was despair. There was touch and go. It was a bit dicey.
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Brian Wringer: Second thing is, and this has happened on multiple motorcycles,
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Brian Wringer: looking at you, Suzuki, is the crispy critter effect where, oh,
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Brian Wringer: here's a bad connection.
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Brian Wringer: Here's a fried connection because Suzuki likes to use cheap, crappy connectors.
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Brian Wringer: Even on their modern bikes, they
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Brian Wringer: like to use cheap, crappy connectors and overload them with electrons.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, here's the problem. No, no, no, no. here's a problem keep digging i think
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Brian Wringer: the last one i worked on and it was again it was a fairly new suzuki boulevard what
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Robin Dean: Is your problem.
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Brian Wringer: It has just had to keep digging because you know the stator connectors were
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Brian Wringer: roached and then there's another connector that connects the stator connectors
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Brian Wringer: to the harness for the regulator and those were roached you just had to keep
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Brian Wringer: following And then finally to find all the,
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Brian Wringer: all the little crispy carbonated critters among the connectors.
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Brian Wringer: And it's just like, come on, Suzuki.
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Brian Wringer: They've done this for five decades, at least they had the same guy working on
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Brian Wringer: the electrical design or something. I don't know what's going on.
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Robin Dean: If you found the problem and you think that you've arrived at the entirety of
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Robin Dean: it, you found the starting point.
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Robin Dean: It's, it's the fitted sheet on the bed. You have not pulled the entire sheet
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Robin Dean: until you've pulled the entire sheet.
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Robin Dean: That problem ends somewhere and you need to understand both sides of it. Marshmallow wires.
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Brian Wringer: It's a little bit like when they take x-rays and they send the image to a radiologist.
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Brian Wringer: They don't tell the radiologist anything.
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Brian Wringer: The radiologist, she's supposed to look at this image and say,
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Brian Wringer: what do you see that's wrong and right here?
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Brian Wringer: And describe what you see. you have to really go in like you're looking for
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Brian Wringer: problem A, problem A, problem A
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Brian Wringer: especially when you know on the older the motorcycle the more overlapping multiple
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Brian Wringer: things you you have so especially when you work on an old bike you just have
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Brian Wringer: to like okay here is the here's the x-ray look at this and tell me what's wrong
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Brian Wringer: okay well there's a broken bone here that's obvious but over here there's a
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Brian Wringer: you know there's an enlarged or something you know that you have to keep looking there's
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Robin Dean: A mass of suzuki infecting it yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It's all fixable but you have to know about it. The big freaking frack has been
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Brian Wringer: that onion you have to peel.
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Robin Dean: Once you buy into a brand because you've decided you wanted to buy that particular
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Robin Dean: machine, you do learn these things, but it takes buying into that brand to eventually understand them.
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Robin Dean: Am I afraid to buy a Suzuki? No,
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Robin Dean: because I know this. I know what you are describing. I understand that.
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Robin Dean: It's also one of those things where if you wait long enough,
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Robin Dean: and affordability is not necessarily a factor. These bikes are pretty affordable.
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Robin Dean: But whatever it is that they installed, it's always one shelf above worst.
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Robin Dean: We're swapping it out for something significantly better or halfway to significantly
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Robin Dean: better is a drastic improvement worth investing in.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: This is a fun thing to war story through, But there's also a positive side of
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Robin Dean: this is that when you buy the bike, know the reputation of what their pitfalls are.
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Robin Dean: You got the top side, you got the low side, the goods, the bads.
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Robin Dean: And then if you know enough about the bads, how to address them,
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Robin Dean: then there's kind of a system for that too.
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Robin Dean: Case in point, braided lines, you know. Or, you know, I actually like my Showa
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Robin Dean: suspension. It's completely non-adjustable.
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Robin Dean: And I don't have enough brain power to care. It just makes me happy to ride the thing.
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Robin Dean: And I'm good. I know that when I replaced the stock seat with the $800 Corbin
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Robin Dean: switch out for both rider and passenger, I'll take a seat on it and I'll know.
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Robin Dean: But ignorance is bliss can apply if you know what you're doing to what you purchased.
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Robin Dean: In the case of what Brian's talking about, that ignorance won't be so blissful
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Robin Dean: if it starts to crap out on you.
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Robin Dean: But knowing that it's going to is something you can probably kind of ready yourself for.
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Robin Dean: So it's still worth it.
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Brian Wringer: This came from a text that I got while I was on the road. I was in a pickup
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Brian Wringer: and we were on the way back from Tennessee to Indiana.
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Brian Wringer: I thought it was a really interesting question. And we actually chewed this
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Brian Wringer: over quite a bit because there's nothing else to do when you're driving through Kentucky.
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to call it hyper hypotheticals. And so this was the question as I
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Brian Wringer: understand it. And you may need to correct me on this.
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Robin Dean: Go on.
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Brian Wringer: The premise is such, never mind what happened, but gun to your head.
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Brian Wringer: If you had to buy and live with just one brand new motorcycle,
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Brian Wringer: not used, brand new, got to buy it, what's the cheapest one you could be happy
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Brian Wringer: with? Was that the question?
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Robin Dean: That was the question. I will add to it and say, what is the floor?
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Brian Wringer: Absolute floor.
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Robin Dean: You're personally invested in the purchase. You're willing to do it,
00:25:02.966 --> 00:25:06.546
Robin Dean: but it's the absolute rock bottom floor of what will make you be like,
00:25:06.646 --> 00:25:08.806
Robin Dean: yeah, I'm happy and it'll do.
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Brian Wringer: I'm happy enough. And so you immediately dive into metaphysics with, what is happiness?
00:25:15.206 --> 00:25:17.106
Brian Wringer: What is the meaning of happiness?
00:25:17.426 --> 00:25:18.726
Robin Dean: What is quality?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. And then we go crazy.
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Brian Wringer: So you have to think about what you need a motorcycle to do at the absolute minimum.
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Brian Wringer: What do you need in order to get through life with a smile on your face occasionally?
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Brian Wringer: And the biggest one for me is thinking about, you know, do I want it to work
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Brian Wringer: on the dirt, the street, the track, or all three, you know, which is incredibly rare to get.
00:25:38.850 --> 00:25:41.870
Brian Wringer: And how you're using it, you know, whether you're just getting back and forth
00:25:41.870 --> 00:25:45.550
Brian Wringer: to work, whether you're going to the grocery store, whether you need long-distance
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Brian Wringer: highway travel to be in the portfolio, that's a tough one with some of these.
00:25:49.510 --> 00:25:53.330
Brian Wringer: And a big one is you just have to be honest and look inward,
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Brian Wringer: grasshopper, and decide how much power do you need.
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Brian Wringer: Ohm. Ohm, yeah. And the other part of this, okay, you think about happiness.
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Brian Wringer: You think through the metaphysics. What does the word cheap mean?
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Brian Wringer: So I kind of arbitrarily set a ceiling of $10,000, and most of the ones I was
00:26:13.550 --> 00:26:15.850
Brian Wringer: talking about are well under that.
00:26:16.070 --> 00:26:19.570
Brian Wringer: Some of them get pretty close. So we had to ponder that a little bit.
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Brian Wringer: So for me personally, maybe not so much Robin, the question is, can I do without dirt?
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Robin Dean: Oh yeah, because you're only buying one. I didn't think about that.
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Brian Wringer: So if you're buying one, for whatever reason, your life has become a tabula
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Brian Wringer: rasa, a blank slate and a piece of paper.
00:26:37.050 --> 00:26:41.170
Brian Wringer: You have nothing else except I've got a credit score that will let me get one
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Brian Wringer: new bike and then I can build from there.
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Brian Wringer: That's kind of the thing for me I found is I would have to,
00:26:47.290 --> 00:26:50.210
Brian Wringer: kind of give up i would have to give up dirt except under
00:26:50.210 --> 00:26:53.450
Brian Wringer: some circumstances where i would have to badly compromise
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Brian Wringer: street or maybe even track so and one of the things i'll say right up front
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Brian Wringer: is everybody's going to say oh you need to get a klr 650 well i don't like the
00:27:01.530 --> 00:27:07.230
Brian Wringer: new ones i've got an old one i think it's great i've done god awful amounts
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Brian Wringer: of work and money on it to make it into what i want a pretty decent off-roader yeah
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Robin Dean: I'd rather road warrior a dr.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah so it's kind of, I think the newer ones are just too big, too heavy.
00:27:19.290 --> 00:27:22.650
Brian Wringer: They've got all this plastic that's all delicate. You know, there's no protection.
00:27:23.330 --> 00:27:23.710
Robin Dean: Rubbermaid.
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Brian Wringer: Rubber made would be an improvement they're the fuel injected they're complicated
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Brian Wringer: that's kind of off the table I'm not really interested
00:27:30.264 --> 00:27:32.984
Brian Wringer: in a new KLR although a lot of people are a lot
00:27:32.984 --> 00:27:36.224
Brian Wringer: of people should be it does a lot of things well enough
00:27:36.224 --> 00:27:41.084
Brian Wringer: that kind of thing so anyway let's get into it first thing on the table is we're
00:27:41.084 --> 00:27:44.524
Brian Wringer: going to go cheap or we need to look at like Chinese we need to look at CF moto
00:27:44.524 --> 00:27:49.704
Brian Wringer: so CF moto is probably the best of the crop of Chinese manufacturers out there
00:27:49.704 --> 00:27:55.944
Brian Wringer: and i got a link here so the obvious one that does include some dirt capability is the ibex 450
00:27:57.204 --> 00:28:00.764
Brian Wringer: it's 44 horsepower it's 6400
00:28:00.764 --> 00:28:06.824
Brian Wringer: 6500 bucks so it's pretty reasonable for some 44 horsepower which is more than
00:28:06.824 --> 00:28:11.864
Brian Wringer: a klr which is a lot less than any street bike but it can do street it can do
00:28:11.864 --> 00:28:16.244
Brian Wringer: dirt track days would be kind of hilarious because it'd be so slow for that
00:28:16.244 --> 00:28:18.704
Brian Wringer: it might be doable i don't know i
00:28:18.704 --> 00:28:20.764
Robin Dean: Think it would be your turn and just changes a lot.
00:28:20.764 --> 00:28:21.384
Brian Wringer: Yeah
00:28:21.917 --> 00:28:25.357
Brian Wringer: I can picture Blackhawk on Nobbies. I can see that happening.
00:28:25.557 --> 00:28:31.317
Brian Wringer: And then if you look a little closer at their website, you'll see that the 450NK,
00:28:31.317 --> 00:28:35.057
Brian Wringer: it's the same engine, a little more power, a little retuned,
00:28:35.197 --> 00:28:39.557
Brian Wringer: 50 horsepower, and a naked bike for $53.99.
00:28:39.877 --> 00:28:41.297
Brian Wringer: So $1,100 bucks less.
00:28:42.377 --> 00:28:47.437
Brian Wringer: $5,400 bucks, you get a bike that's 50 horsepower and a twin.
00:28:47.697 --> 00:28:51.217
Brian Wringer: It can do street. It could do a track day like at a small track.
00:28:51.217 --> 00:28:52.977
Brian Wringer: Can't do dirt, that kind of thing.
00:28:53.237 --> 00:28:57.937
Brian Wringer: That's kind of interesting. If you really needed to be as cheap as possible,
00:28:58.337 --> 00:28:59.677
Brian Wringer: you could get by with that.
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Brian Wringer: With each of those, I would really miss something. I looked at some of the others,
00:29:05.697 --> 00:29:07.217
Brian Wringer: Suzuki, Yamaha, Triumph even.
00:29:07.577 --> 00:29:16.497
Brian Wringer: The rock-bottom new bike at Suzuki is the 2026 model is the SV650 ABS, but that's $8149.
00:29:17.757 --> 00:29:24.157
Robin Dean: 2026 SV 650. They have not changed it beyond that. It's the same good news for
00:29:24.157 --> 00:29:26.857
Robin Dean: everybody who owns an SV at this point because,
00:29:27.463 --> 00:29:31.183
Robin Dean: It's the current generation, but that trellis frame and that entire setup is
00:29:31.183 --> 00:29:33.763
Robin Dean: identical across the board. Parts forever.
00:29:34.123 --> 00:29:38.423
Brian Wringer: Parts forever. A lot of fun. Obviously, it would be a great track bike.
00:29:38.903 --> 00:29:43.563
Brian Wringer: Obviously, it'd be a great street bike. 70 horsepower, which is plenty to be entertained.
00:29:43.843 --> 00:29:49.163
Brian Wringer: And the other option here with Suzuki is $1,100 more gets you on a GSX-8S,
00:29:49.343 --> 00:29:52.783
Brian Wringer: which is kind of the naked version of Robin's bike, the GSX-8R.
00:29:53.183 --> 00:29:59.123
Brian Wringer: So, $9,249, 83 horsepower. and, as I put it, pointy penetrating prominent proboscis.
00:29:59.543 --> 00:30:00.043
Robin Dean: That!
00:30:01.103 --> 00:30:06.743
Brian Wringer: That's getting dangerously close to 10,000, but 92.49, he could be pretty happy with that.
00:30:07.043 --> 00:30:14.263
Brian Wringer: And the thing is, Robin has already kind of been through this exercise and ended up with the GSX-8R.
00:30:14.623 --> 00:30:15.323
Robin Dean: It's true.
00:30:15.623 --> 00:30:18.083
Brian Wringer: Yeah, like you've already had this conversation with yourself,
00:30:18.143 --> 00:30:21.083
Brian Wringer: and that's where you landed. Money versus capability.
00:30:21.523 --> 00:30:27.043
Robin Dean: Yes, and comfort and maintainability, and access and simplicity,
00:30:27.263 --> 00:30:29.803
Robin Dean: modular, what power do I want?
00:30:30.263 --> 00:30:34.323
Robin Dean: What handling do I want? If you start with the rider, where do you want to be seated?
00:30:34.763 --> 00:30:38.483
Robin Dean: And then beyond that, it's like, what am I going to go through as an owner of
00:30:38.483 --> 00:30:40.763
Robin Dean: this machine? So far, it's been okay.
00:30:41.343 --> 00:30:44.743
Brian Wringer: Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing. Like, I don't know what the ergonomics are of any of these.
00:30:44.903 --> 00:30:50.023
Brian Wringer: You know, an SV650 just may not work for my legs and knees.
00:30:50.103 --> 00:30:56.383
Brian Wringer: I don't know yet. On the Yamaha side, the 700cc engine really is where you land
00:30:56.383 --> 00:30:58.743
Brian Wringer: on this, the MT-07 XSR 700.
00:30:59.083 --> 00:31:03.103
Brian Wringer: They're both $85.99, getting pretty high there, 74 horsepower.
00:31:03.583 --> 00:31:06.623
Brian Wringer: Both are great for street track, no dirt.
00:31:07.203 --> 00:31:12.943
Brian Wringer: The Tenera 700 would be really in my happy place, but it's about $11,000. It's $10,999.
00:31:14.473 --> 00:31:17.513
Brian Wringer: So then you just have to choose between modern or retro styling.
00:31:17.753 --> 00:31:22.673
Brian Wringer: And I'm thinking retro, the XSR, it's got to get the nod here. If it had to be Yamaha.
00:31:22.953 --> 00:31:25.553
Robin Dean: It's a very easy to adapt bike.
00:31:25.913 --> 00:31:31.173
Brian Wringer: Yeah. Well, the XSR has a round headlight, but it's a weird LED thingy.
00:31:31.453 --> 00:31:32.673
Brian Wringer: I think you'd get used to it.
00:31:33.093 --> 00:31:33.293
Robin Dean: Sure.
00:31:33.633 --> 00:31:37.353
Brian Wringer: And of course, the Yamaha has the, if you're really, I think we're going to
00:31:37.353 --> 00:31:39.553
Brian Wringer: start seeing a lot of those R7s on track.
00:31:40.273 --> 00:31:43.393
Brian Wringer: The sport bike based on that same engine. it just
00:31:43.393 --> 00:31:46.173
Brian Wringer: makes a lot of sense and the pricing makes a lot of sense i think
00:31:46.173 --> 00:31:49.713
Brian Wringer: just real quick here triumph has the trident 660
00:31:49.713 --> 00:31:56.013
Brian Wringer: at 89.95 94 horsepower and all the that triumph detailed goodness that they
00:31:56.013 --> 00:32:00.213
Brian Wringer: have the stainless lines the quick shifter you know triumph gives you a little
00:32:00.213 --> 00:32:04.793
Brian Wringer: more content a lot of ways so that bike's a hell of a bargain but that's that's
00:32:04.793 --> 00:32:07.093
Brian Wringer: pushing the 10k limit a little bit.
00:32:07.533 --> 00:32:10.733
Brian Wringer: 94 horsepower, plenty for anybody to be happy with, I think.
00:32:10.953 --> 00:32:17.013
Brian Wringer: I rode, I didn't ride a Trident, but I rode the Tiger Sport 660 and it's a fantastic engine.
00:32:17.393 --> 00:32:21.493
Brian Wringer: One of the interesting ones I spotted was a Honda CB750 Hornet.
00:32:21.633 --> 00:32:27.033
Brian Wringer: And what's interesting is for 2026, they only offer that with what they call the E-clutch.
00:32:27.513 --> 00:32:34.913
Brian Wringer: Oh, I'm not entirely sure what that is, but basically you don't need the clutch lever.
00:32:35.213 --> 00:32:40.713
Brian Wringer: You shift and the bike handles the clutching bit for you. I don't think I would
00:32:40.713 --> 00:32:42.553
Brian Wringer: like that. I don't think I could be happy with that.
00:32:42.853 --> 00:32:46.353
Robin Dean: And in fact, I don't want anything that I don't understand right out of the gates.
00:32:46.473 --> 00:32:50.773
Robin Dean: We've invented another new clutch system that's engineering for engineering's
00:32:50.773 --> 00:32:54.893
Robin Dean: sake, or we think it's going to cater to the Americans that don't want to learn how to use a clutch.
00:32:55.273 --> 00:33:00.653
Robin Dean: Dear America, read a book, then also maybe learn to drive a stick shift car.
00:33:00.973 --> 00:33:02.393
Robin Dean: That's all I'm asking for us
00:33:02.393 --> 00:33:06.753
Robin Dean: to improve. We can improve the state of the nation with those two things.
00:33:07.013 --> 00:33:11.333
Robin Dean: Go get three books and start reading one of them and learn to drive a stick
00:33:11.333 --> 00:33:12.933
Robin Dean: shift car. Have a nice day.
00:33:14.293 --> 00:33:21.453
Brian Wringer: Robin's rant for the day and and the thing is in 2026 it looks like the e-clutch
00:33:21.453 --> 00:33:27.353
Brian Wringer: is mandatory on the hornet this year but i think last year's model had a standard
00:33:27.353 --> 00:33:32.853
Brian Wringer: clutch so it's weird how they're kind of moving that around it's kind of it's kind of odd why
00:33:32.853 --> 00:33:35.733
Robin Dean: Are we even still talking about this it's not on the table.
00:33:35.733 --> 00:33:40.413
Brian Wringer: Last i'm going to talk about is the kawasaki kle 500 it's getting a lot of press,
00:33:41.473 --> 00:33:45.433
Brian Wringer: 6599, 51 horsepower, which is more than a KLR. Okay.
00:33:45.813 --> 00:33:49.973
Brian Wringer: It can do, it can do mild dirt. You know, you don't, it doesn't have the ground
00:33:49.973 --> 00:33:54.793
Brian Wringer: clearance or whatever to do gnarly, gnarlesome stuff, but you can go bomb around
00:33:54.793 --> 00:33:58.293
Brian Wringer: the dirt roads, KLR style, just fine. Fairly lightweight,
00:33:58.872 --> 00:34:02.832
Brian Wringer: Yeah, the only thing that would be lacking, it'd be a little tough on a track,
00:34:02.832 --> 00:34:06.992
Brian Wringer: but then again, it could also be just a lot of inappropriate fun to go to a
00:34:06.992 --> 00:34:12.032
Brian Wringer: shorter track day and just pass people while you're on knobbies,
00:34:12.532 --> 00:34:14.252
Brian Wringer: give them those hang loose while you're leaving.
00:34:14.252 --> 00:34:18.832
Robin Dean: I like that one a lot, man. That's a good-looking machine. Properly ready for
00:34:18.832 --> 00:34:24.952
Robin Dean: some entry-level ADV, as it would be in my case, but just a cool... It looks capable.
00:34:25.272 --> 00:34:29.872
Brian Wringer: It can do a lot of things. And, you know, nevermind the Kawasaki's imagery with
00:34:29.872 --> 00:34:32.192
Brian Wringer: the rally rider and so forth.
00:34:32.372 --> 00:34:36.232
Brian Wringer: But, yeah, there's a lot of interesting things about it. And if you don't,
00:34:36.372 --> 00:34:40.132
Brian Wringer: if you're not bombing, I mean, it'll do 80 on the highway.
00:34:40.272 --> 00:34:44.272
Brian Wringer: A KLR will do 80 on the highway and it has, you know, 15 less horsepower.
00:34:44.592 --> 00:34:46.972
Brian Wringer: It can do it. It probably won't like it.
00:34:47.312 --> 00:34:51.472
Brian Wringer: And the other thing is I think the KLE will have a lot of accessories available.
00:34:51.652 --> 00:34:53.192
Brian Wringer: I think these are very popular.
00:34:53.512 --> 00:34:56.472
Brian Wringer: I think they are and they're becoming very popular. and I think they're going
00:34:56.472 --> 00:35:00.352
Brian Wringer: to get a lot of people putting luggage on them and stuff like that. So that's part of it.
00:35:00.652 --> 00:35:04.772
Brian Wringer: Same with the SV650. You can get anything you need for them.
00:35:04.812 --> 00:35:07.292
Brian Wringer: They've made them for years. They really haven't changed much.
00:35:07.612 --> 00:35:11.592
Brian Wringer: You know, something like a Triumph, maybe a lot. CF Moto also has a lot of accessories
00:35:11.592 --> 00:35:13.692
Brian Wringer: popping up for it. They're pretty popular.
00:35:13.912 --> 00:35:17.572
Brian Wringer: People are taking the money they saved and putting it in the Farkles.
00:35:17.992 --> 00:35:18.612
Robin Dean: Disco balls.
00:35:18.992 --> 00:35:23.912
Brian Wringer: So if you did not end up with the GSX-8R, where would you be? You did this exercise.
00:35:24.632 --> 00:35:26.612
Robin Dean: I, yeah, sort of.
00:35:26.912 --> 00:35:27.512
Brian Wringer: Part of it.
00:35:27.976 --> 00:35:36.696
Robin Dean: Let me correct you a little bit on that one. I was still definitely involved with the R1200RS.
00:35:37.176 --> 00:35:42.616
Robin Dean: That bike had done me no wrong. I had sculpted it into my own.
00:35:43.016 --> 00:35:46.276
Robin Dean: Over the course of owning it, there were a lot of things where I was like,
00:35:46.276 --> 00:35:48.176
Robin Dean: am I happy with this bike? Yes, I am.
00:35:48.476 --> 00:35:52.176
Robin Dean: And then every now and then I'd put on a fresh tire and a weak layer.
00:35:52.176 --> 00:36:00.136
Robin Dean: I get a notification about my TPMS battery was gone bad and you can't swap out
00:36:00.136 --> 00:36:04.856
Robin Dean: the batteries and have to order the eBay version because the news were like
00:36:04.856 --> 00:36:09.396
Robin Dean: 125 per wheel or some atrocious. I don't know if that was combined or not.
00:36:09.536 --> 00:36:16.656
Robin Dean: Or like the fact that, no, you can't replace the heated grip gels that wear down from your hands.
00:36:16.796 --> 00:36:19.596
Robin Dean: Can't do that. You have to buy the entire heated grip system,
00:36:19.596 --> 00:36:22.016
Robin Dean: which is about $300 a day.
00:36:22.176 --> 00:36:25.496
Brian Wringer: So BMW ownership is kind of a thing, isn't it?
00:36:25.676 --> 00:36:30.236
Robin Dean: Kind of a thing, especially if you get all the fixings, because it's just more stuff that can break.
00:36:30.396 --> 00:36:33.896
Robin Dean: And I had always collected my thoughts on this over the course of ownership with that.
00:36:34.716 --> 00:36:38.976
Robin Dean: Every bike from then on is going to be a modular build. So...
00:36:39.211 --> 00:36:44.731
Robin Dean: Do you want the jib jorb shabadoo? No, I do not. I want the bare bones machine.
00:36:45.011 --> 00:36:48.871
Robin Dean: I want it to be made of Legos and Lincoln logs.
00:36:49.111 --> 00:36:50.791
Brian Wringer: And I'll take it from here. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:50.831 --> 00:36:55.091
Robin Dean: I got this right. Nice. So when I arrived at this state of mind,
00:36:55.111 --> 00:36:59.051
Robin Dean: which was basically the day after I bought it, though, I was still like,
00:36:59.131 --> 00:37:01.771
Robin Dean: I'm going to live it up with this thing for over 117,000 miles.
00:37:01.771 --> 00:37:07.251
Robin Dean: All of a sudden, sitting down to record an episode of this show with my then
00:37:07.251 --> 00:37:11.871
Robin Dean: co-hosts, Travis Burleson and Tim Clark, one of them popped up the image,
00:37:12.011 --> 00:37:13.751
Robin Dean: and they said, hey, Robin,
00:37:14.051 --> 00:37:18.231
Robin Dean: they just knew, check this out. And immediately I was like.
00:37:18.871 --> 00:37:19.771
Brian Wringer: Dreamweaver.
00:37:21.271 --> 00:37:22.311
Robin Dean: Yeah, Dreamweaver.
00:37:22.651 --> 00:37:23.171
Brian Wringer: Swing.
00:37:23.631 --> 00:37:27.171
Robin Dean: I was like, I'm going to have this bike. And here we are.
00:37:27.431 --> 00:37:30.531
Brian Wringer: You didn't go through this process. You went through a different process.
00:37:30.531 --> 00:37:33.871
Robin Dean: Very different process i looked at that bike and i said that
00:37:33.871 --> 00:37:36.811
Robin Dean: bike i want the base model and injected bike
00:37:36.811 --> 00:37:40.451
Robin Dean: of course but i definitely want the abs which
00:37:40.451 --> 00:37:46.291
Robin Dean: i think it came to stock anyhow everything beyond that i don't care base model
00:37:46.291 --> 00:37:51.791
Robin Dean: i knew i could turn it into a module build so when this episode tonight started
00:37:51.791 --> 00:37:57.691
Robin Dean: i remembered that i needed to come up with an answer and i remembered that I had,
00:37:57.711 --> 00:38:01.091
Robin Dean: that I had like three on the docket, and then I realized,
00:38:01.351 --> 00:38:03.791
Robin Dean: no, there's only one answer for this, for me personally.
00:38:04.431 --> 00:38:08.151
Robin Dean: One bike, one bike only. We're not talking about an apocalypse.
00:38:08.611 --> 00:38:12.191
Robin Dean: If we deal with an apocalypse, that's a different conversation.
00:38:12.191 --> 00:38:13.611
Robin Dean: We should discuss that at some point.
00:38:13.691 --> 00:38:18.051
Robin Dean: You're stuck with the post-apocalyptic motorcycle. Which one's that going to be?
00:38:18.671 --> 00:38:21.031
Brian Wringer: Zombies going to eat you. What you're going to ride? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
00:38:21.411 --> 00:38:22.791
Robin Dean: Different question. Maybe the Ibex.
00:38:23.171 --> 00:38:23.511
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:38:24.016 --> 00:38:28.356
Robin Dean: Tenere 700, something like that. We're recording this in 2026, so I'll say it that way.
00:38:30.116 --> 00:38:34.156
Robin Dean: 2026 Kawasaki Ninja 650 ABS in lime green.
00:38:34.536 --> 00:38:41.036
Robin Dean: The most Acme motorcycle that I could possibly pick is, strangely enough,
00:38:41.216 --> 00:38:43.256
Robin Dean: my preferred riding posture.
00:38:43.376 --> 00:38:45.476
Robin Dean: It's not an RR in any way.
00:38:46.116 --> 00:38:49.796
Robin Dean: It's a straight-up modern standard with a slightly forward tuck.
00:38:50.076 --> 00:38:53.236
Robin Dean: There's not a lot of work to it. It's just such a simple machine probably
00:38:53.236 --> 00:38:56.016
Robin Dean: simple access they're probably going to make it forever i'll always
00:38:56.016 --> 00:38:59.356
Robin Dean: have parts that's the one i'm going with 650 and how many horsepower it's like
00:38:59.356 --> 00:39:07.116
Robin Dean: 59 what was it i saw the the stats 67 60 67 67 to 68 horsepower at 8 000 rpms
00:39:07.116 --> 00:39:15.236
Robin Dean: parallel twin it's just a good looking piece of bullshit that i know somebody out there is like 8.
00:39:15.236 --> 00:39:18.196
Brian Wringer: 200 bucks according to kawasaki.com.
00:39:18.476 --> 00:39:23.196
Robin Dean: That's what I'm looking at right now. But I would say challenge accepted if
00:39:23.196 --> 00:39:25.816
Robin Dean: we were going to go write some twisties on this thing. That's it. That's my answer.
00:39:26.296 --> 00:39:31.056
Brian Wringer: Good to know. So do they have a naked version of that? They have a Z650.
00:39:31.796 --> 00:39:36.056
Robin Dean: Naked Ninja Kawa. I need to put Kawasaki in there. Otherwise,
00:39:36.056 --> 00:39:39.696
Robin Dean: my search history will show up. We don't need to talk about that.
00:39:39.976 --> 00:39:43.796
Brian Wringer: They've got the Z650, which is a naked version for $76.99.
00:39:44.336 --> 00:39:44.736
Robin Dean: Sure.
00:39:45.156 --> 00:39:46.256
Brian Wringer: So that's interesting.
00:39:46.816 --> 00:39:50.736
Robin Dean: I'd like a windshield and a full fairing. You like a naked, you want clean air.
00:39:51.036 --> 00:39:54.956
Brian Wringer: Yeah, I want air up my nose. That's interesting. I didn't consider that one.
00:39:55.036 --> 00:39:58.716
Brian Wringer: That could be very livable. Again, street track, zero dirt.
00:39:58.996 --> 00:40:01.196
Robin Dean: It's just American cheese made in Japan.
00:40:02.563 --> 00:40:03.363
Robin Dean: High calcium.
00:40:04.123 --> 00:40:07.803
Brian Wringer: There's also something like you went from a bike with 100 and whatever the hell
00:40:07.803 --> 00:40:10.523
Brian Wringer: horsepower to a bike with about 80 horsepower.
00:40:11.463 --> 00:40:12.223
Robin Dean: Changed nothing.
00:40:12.663 --> 00:40:15.843
Brian Wringer: And so, yeah, some people are like, oh, you got to go bigger and a hundred horsepower.
00:40:15.983 --> 00:40:17.403
Brian Wringer: And it's like, no, you don't.
00:40:17.583 --> 00:40:22.023
Robin Dean: I need an $800 seat. That's what I'm going to be buying next for this thing if I get a chance.
00:40:22.303 --> 00:40:23.663
Brian Wringer: So you're saying your butt hurts.
00:40:23.983 --> 00:40:26.983
Robin Dean: I just wouldn't do an iron butt or a tour.
00:40:27.483 --> 00:40:31.803
Robin Dean: I wouldn't do any straight line distance transport on the seat.
00:40:31.803 --> 00:40:35.063
Robin Dean: I wouldn't try to get to your house from New Mexico riding that bike without
00:40:35.063 --> 00:40:39.083
Robin Dean: a seat upgrade interesting but as far as riding the twisties now man I'm busy
00:40:39.083 --> 00:40:42.543
Robin Dean: working you know moving around all good lap.
00:40:42.543 --> 00:40:48.143
Brian Wringer: Times are probably identical I've chased you on both bikes and there's no difference
00:40:48.143 --> 00:40:56.843
Robin Dean: Just us doing our thing yeah I do feel a future bike being another big badass
00:40:56.843 --> 00:41:02.963
Robin Dean: aerodynamic sexy true-to-form low-angle sport tourer, but it will be a base model.
00:41:03.183 --> 00:41:07.263
Robin Dean: And if I can get them to replace the forks with stumps of wood,
00:41:07.423 --> 00:41:09.983
Robin Dean: that's what I'll start with before I start turning it into my machine.
00:41:10.343 --> 00:41:12.963
Robin Dean: Won't be doing the ESA ever again, any of that shit.
00:41:13.503 --> 00:41:13.843
Brian Wringer: Interesting.
00:41:14.283 --> 00:41:15.403
Robin Dean: Are we ready for...
00:41:15.403 --> 00:41:16.443
Brian Wringer: I'll work with you.
00:41:16.783 --> 00:41:20.763
Robin Dean: It's that time again, and we just need to make sure we're filling enough words
00:41:20.763 --> 00:41:24.783
Robin Dean: in to talk while the music gets started because Jordan's on his way.
00:41:24.923 --> 00:41:28.383
Robin Dean: It's time for us to have another sit-down, perhaps a little bit more diagonal
00:41:28.383 --> 00:41:33.183
Robin Dean: than usual, because, you know, good wine, strange liqueurs, whatever he's got
00:41:33.183 --> 00:41:36.323
Robin Dean: in the bottle that happens to be next to him, who knows, it might be urethane.
00:41:36.423 --> 00:41:39.843
Robin Dean: But the point is, I know he's sipping on it, and I know he's chipper about it,
00:41:39.923 --> 00:41:44.643
Robin Dean: and it's time for Jordan to talk to us more about the history of William Dunlop
00:41:44.643 --> 00:41:47.303
Robin Dean: and his amazing career. You ready for this, Brian?
00:41:47.723 --> 00:41:49.143
Brian Wringer: I'm ready. Let's go for it.
00:41:49.523 --> 00:41:50.363
Robin Dean: Take it away, Jordan.
00:42:11.278 --> 00:42:18.538
Jordan Liebman: 1976 is an important and noteworthy year where Joey won a 250cc race at the
00:42:18.538 --> 00:42:22.438
Jordan Liebman: International Northwest 200, and Joey got his first international podium,
00:42:23.058 --> 00:42:28.118
Jordan Liebman: taking third behind Ian Richards and Tony Rutter at the Northwest 200.
00:42:28.318 --> 00:42:30.898
Jordan Liebman: So this is an international podium for him.
00:42:31.198 --> 00:42:39.358
Jordan Liebman: So in 1976, he's campaigning a 500cc Yamaha TZ500 in addition to his 250cc and
00:42:39.358 --> 00:42:41.918
Jordan Liebman: 350cc Yamahas with Ray Racing.
00:42:42.338 --> 00:42:48.238
Jordan Liebman: Joey took the 500cc Irish Championship. He wins every round he entered and he
00:42:48.238 --> 00:42:53.178
Jordan Liebman: was completely unbeaten at Mandelo Park. Tandegree, he took first place.
00:42:53.558 --> 00:42:57.198
Jordan Liebman: These are the first place wins in 1976 in Northern Ireland, in Ireland.
00:42:57.578 --> 00:43:02.678
Jordan Liebman: He won at Mandelo Park. He won at Tandegree, first place. First place at the
00:43:02.678 --> 00:43:05.378
Jordan Liebman: Scurries, which is some Irish word.
00:43:05.738 --> 00:43:09.378
Jordan Liebman: I used to think it was Scarborough, but it's not. It's the Scurries.
00:43:10.118 --> 00:43:13.918
Jordan Liebman: Bagadoui is another race course he wins first place at. He takes first place
00:43:13.918 --> 00:43:17.298
Jordan Liebman: at Kirkostown and at Dundrad, he took first place.
00:43:17.678 --> 00:43:21.438
Jordan Liebman: And basically, he seemed unbeatable. And now the worst of the world is starting
00:43:21.438 --> 00:43:22.718
Jordan Liebman: to take notice, a little bit.
00:43:22.878 --> 00:43:25.738
Jordan Liebman: He's setting lap records at these race courses in the process.
00:43:26.218 --> 00:43:28.478
Jordan Liebman: He competed and won at
00:43:28.833 --> 00:43:31.633
Jordan Liebman: jerby and the southern 100 meet on
00:43:31.633 --> 00:43:34.513
Jordan Liebman: the isle of man again not the main mountain course but he would
00:43:34.513 --> 00:43:37.673
Jordan Liebman: eventually win the high record of 40 wins on
00:43:37.673 --> 00:43:43.353
Jordan Liebman: the the southern 100 course on the isle of man so you know he won 26 times at
00:43:43.353 --> 00:43:49.693
Jordan Liebman: the isle of man mountain course he won 40 times on the basically the mini the
00:43:49.693 --> 00:43:54.833
Jordan Liebman: golf cart course or whatever the four and a quarter mile course uh and at that
00:43:54.833 --> 00:43:56.273
Jordan Liebman: time he beat Ray McCulloch,
00:43:56.453 --> 00:43:59.313
Jordan Liebman: which was his hero of the Dramar Destroyers,
00:43:59.593 --> 00:44:02.973
Jordan Liebman: fair and square for the first time in his life. That's 1976.
00:44:03.513 --> 00:44:09.993
Jordan Liebman: On the UK mainland, Joey wins at Croft in England and took first place in Scotland at East Fortune.
00:44:10.253 --> 00:44:12.913
Jordan Liebman: So these are, you know, he's not just winning in Ireland now,
00:44:12.993 --> 00:44:14.453
Jordan Liebman: and now he's winning in Scotland and England.
00:44:14.853 --> 00:44:19.653
Jordan Liebman: Despite his successes, he wasn't getting rich because the purse at these races
00:44:19.653 --> 00:44:22.433
Jordan Liebman: was maybe 20 or 30 pounds UK per win.
00:44:22.653 --> 00:44:26.493
Jordan Liebman: He's doing it for fun still, You know, and he's got some sponsorship.
00:44:26.713 --> 00:44:29.453
Jordan Liebman: He's probably making more money with the sponsorship than he is from winning these races.
00:44:30.213 --> 00:44:33.513
Jordan Liebman: Restaurants make money on Saturday and Sunday, and they pay the overhead on
00:44:33.513 --> 00:44:34.753
Jordan Liebman: Monday through Friday, right?
00:44:35.113 --> 00:44:41.233
Jordan Liebman: That's what they say. So the most significant event of 1976 was Joey's debut at the Isle of Man TT.
00:44:41.593 --> 00:44:45.153
Jordan Liebman: He did race at the Isle of Man TT in 1976.
00:44:45.533 --> 00:44:50.013
Jordan Liebman: This is his seventh year of racing, technically his sixth year of actually racing,
00:44:50.093 --> 00:44:54.593
Jordan Liebman: because like we said, 1970 was a dud. In 1972, it was barely anything because
00:44:54.593 --> 00:44:56.553
Jordan Liebman: he just got married and started trying to make kids.
00:44:57.173 --> 00:45:03.973
Jordan Liebman: The Isle of Man TT, 1976, was considered the British round of GP racing until 1976.
00:45:04.393 --> 00:45:08.073
Jordan Liebman: It's a 37.73-mile-long race course.
00:45:08.551 --> 00:45:13.111
Jordan Liebman: On the Isle of Man, it's got 300 corners and has all the hazards of everyday roads.
00:45:13.371 --> 00:45:17.771
Jordan Liebman: There are no safety features, just stone walls, houses, trees,
00:45:18.211 --> 00:45:21.891
Jordan Liebman: street signs, bridges, and you're on your own.
00:45:22.031 --> 00:45:25.111
Jordan Liebman: It's considered to be the most dangerous race course in the world.
00:45:25.351 --> 00:45:31.271
Jordan Liebman: And in 1976, this is an interesting side, Giacomo Agostini, Barry Sheen,
00:45:31.371 --> 00:45:39.371
Jordan Liebman: and Phil Reed, who actually won the race in 1976 petitioned and said that the race was too dangerous.
00:45:39.631 --> 00:45:44.031
Jordan Liebman: Phil Reed, they considered him to be a hypocrite for voicing against the TT
00:45:44.031 --> 00:45:48.891
Jordan Liebman: racing and said they stripped the Isle of Man TT as being a GP race.
00:45:49.351 --> 00:45:52.471
Jordan Liebman: And so they had to promote it in a different way.
00:45:52.711 --> 00:45:57.631
Jordan Liebman: They switched the British GP to Silverstone, which is in England,
00:45:57.631 --> 00:46:02.471
Jordan Liebman: and that was all pedigree factory race machines, and so the Island Man was going
00:46:02.471 --> 00:46:05.671
Jordan Liebman: to stick with the semi-production thing, all right?
00:46:05.711 --> 00:46:09.791
Jordan Liebman: We're not having machines that the regular run-of-the-mill guy can't buy,
00:46:10.271 --> 00:46:13.291
Jordan Liebman: close to stock, resembling stock, as we say.
00:46:13.651 --> 00:46:17.851
Jordan Liebman: The course was stripped of its GP status due to the racer protests of these
00:46:17.851 --> 00:46:22.631
Jordan Liebman: three, Giacomo Agostini, Barry Sheen, and Phil Reed, and it was replaced by
00:46:22.631 --> 00:46:25.271
Jordan Liebman: the British Grand Prix at Silverstone in England in 1977.
00:46:25.851 --> 00:46:28.251
Jordan Liebman: I think there was something political and sketchy about that.
00:46:28.351 --> 00:46:31.551
Jordan Liebman: I think they were all in on it and somebody got paid, you know,
00:46:31.631 --> 00:46:34.531
Jordan Liebman: just to move it to Silverstone. It's just too sketchy.
00:46:34.911 --> 00:46:38.871
Jordan Liebman: And they've been racing the Isle of Man since 1907, I think it was.
00:46:39.291 --> 00:46:41.771
Jordan Liebman: And all of a sudden they lose their credentials.
00:46:42.511 --> 00:46:46.211
Jordan Liebman: Many Isle of Man TT fans thought that Phil Reed was a hypocrite for voicing
00:46:46.211 --> 00:46:50.151
Jordan Liebman: against the TT after racing and winning there in 1976.
00:46:50.911 --> 00:46:56.591
Jordan Liebman: And as a result, after he spoke out publicly, after winning this race,
00:46:57.031 --> 00:47:03.111
Jordan Liebman: the Isle of Man police would chase Phil Reed's Rolls Royce off the streets when
00:47:03.111 --> 00:47:07.771
Jordan Liebman: he parked it in front of their hotel and saying, there's a feeling about here, meaning that
00:47:08.155 --> 00:47:12.975
Jordan Liebman: If he left his Rolls-Royce parked on the street, something bad might happen to it.
00:47:13.135 --> 00:47:17.475
Jordan Liebman: Because they just, you know, he basically just took away their main pastime there.
00:47:17.735 --> 00:47:25.115
Jordan Liebman: In addition to that, some of the gas stations refused to sell Phil Reed gas for his Rolls-Royce.
00:47:25.395 --> 00:47:27.675
Jordan Liebman: You're not welcome here, effectively, right?
00:47:28.095 --> 00:47:34.355
Jordan Liebman: Some local Isle of Man residents even threw stones at him. It got ugly.
00:47:34.915 --> 00:47:39.595
Jordan Liebman: Still, the tourist trophy races carried on without the championship points,
00:47:39.595 --> 00:47:42.875
Jordan Liebman: and it became a specialist event for pure road racing.
00:47:43.095 --> 00:47:50.795
Jordan Liebman: It still felt like GP racing, and everybody knew that the Isle of Man lap record by heart
00:47:51.149 --> 00:47:54.889
Jordan Liebman: Like every year you knew who the top lap record was.
00:47:55.049 --> 00:48:01.669
Jordan Liebman: And so until 1976, the lap record of the Alamanteet was held by Mick Grant at
00:48:01.669 --> 00:48:05.189
Jordan Liebman: 109.82 miles per hour, average speed.
00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:13.069
Jordan Liebman: And that year it was beat in 1976 by John Williams at 112.27 miles per hour.
00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:17.749
Jordan Liebman: This is 37 some plus miles where the average speed was 112. and 12.
00:48:17.909 --> 00:48:22.529
Jordan Liebman: And he's going over bridges, hard left and right hand turns,
00:48:23.249 --> 00:48:25.449
Jordan Liebman: You know, downhills and uphills and whatever.
00:48:25.629 --> 00:48:30.709
Jordan Liebman: And in the mountain area, his average was a buck 12.77 miles per hour, right?
00:48:31.029 --> 00:48:34.509
Jordan Liebman: And this is a number that eventually Joey's going to beat. But this is Joey's
00:48:34.509 --> 00:48:35.629
Jordan Liebman: first year of the Isle of Man.
00:48:35.789 --> 00:48:39.269
Jordan Liebman: And really, nobody wins their first year of the Isle of Man,
00:48:39.309 --> 00:48:42.389
Jordan Liebman: no matter how good you did in Northern Ireland and elsewhere.
00:48:42.829 --> 00:48:45.609
Jordan Liebman: It's cutting your teeth, getting your chops.
00:48:46.089 --> 00:48:48.729
Jordan Liebman: Joey didn't make the lap record on his first go at
00:48:48.729 --> 00:48:51.889
Jordan Liebman: the mountain course of course but the first time joey raced
00:48:51.889 --> 00:48:55.069
Jordan Liebman: the course on his 250 cc yamaha and he
00:48:55.069 --> 00:48:57.949
Jordan Liebman: didn't even know the course yet and it was in the wet
00:48:57.949 --> 00:49:02.429
Jordan Liebman: so it was raining okay and they're still racing in the rain he comes up on vala
00:49:02.429 --> 00:49:06.609
Jordan Liebman: crane which is a area in the race course and he doesn't know where to go left
00:49:06.609 --> 00:49:12.389
Jordan Liebman: or right so he actually has to slow down to let experienced racers pass him
00:49:12.389 --> 00:49:15.909
Jordan Liebman: to follow them to find out where to go and then he passes them again once he
00:49:15.909 --> 00:49:17.149
Jordan Liebman: figures out, you know, the race course.
00:49:17.269 --> 00:49:22.509
Jordan Liebman: So this is how you end up 18th at your first Isle of Man race because you got
00:49:22.509 --> 00:49:24.269
Jordan Liebman: to stop to let these guys pass you.
00:49:24.489 --> 00:49:28.269
Jordan Liebman: Oh, we mean to go right here, right? I mean, he just didn't know.
00:49:28.469 --> 00:49:33.609
Jordan Liebman: I mean, if you got to go by seeing a pub in Northern Ireland or England or somewhere
00:49:33.609 --> 00:49:37.069
Jordan Liebman: in between, you're going to be rubbernecking because there's pubs everywhere.
00:49:37.609 --> 00:49:41.769
Jordan Liebman: After his first rate, he would go out there at night in his car, like we
00:49:43.750 --> 00:49:47.950
Jordan Liebman: Try to learn the course better. And he'd do as many laps as he could before sunrise.
00:49:48.290 --> 00:49:53.110
Jordan Liebman: And so after Joey learned the course, he takes out his friend,
00:49:53.310 --> 00:49:57.710
Jordan Liebman: Johnny Ray, which is the guy, his sponsor, out in his Ford Mondeo.
00:49:57.950 --> 00:50:00.790
Jordan Liebman: And Joey now knows the course. He learned it.
00:50:01.110 --> 00:50:06.370
Jordan Liebman: He's a savant for learning courses. And he takes his Ford Mondeo out,
00:50:06.630 --> 00:50:11.530
Jordan Liebman: going full speed, downhill into Balacrane, smokes the brakes,
00:50:11.550 --> 00:50:14.430
Jordan Liebman: so his brakes are no longer any good, and failed.
00:50:14.710 --> 00:50:22.930
Jordan Liebman: He would make this annual habit of taking random people out in his car at night on the race course.
00:50:23.230 --> 00:50:27.010
Jordan Liebman: He called it the late night lap treatment, right?
00:50:27.070 --> 00:50:30.550
Jordan Liebman: So you find yourself in the passenger seat of Joey's car going,
00:50:30.590 --> 00:50:35.030
Jordan Liebman: you know, a hundred some miles per hour around the Isle of Man after several beers and shots.
00:50:35.390 --> 00:50:39.410
Jordan Liebman: And to him, it was just fun and games. And he scared the shit out of Johnny Ray.
00:50:39.830 --> 00:50:44.430
Jordan Liebman: Literally at this one point, he turns off the headlights because he knows the course so well now.
00:50:44.790 --> 00:50:48.310
Jordan Liebman: This is Joey. You know, he's a local boy. He is a good old boy.
00:50:48.430 --> 00:50:51.150
Jordan Liebman: He's Bowen Luke Duke, right? But he's from Northern Ireland, right?
00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:55.370
Jordan Liebman: But I mean, for the passengers, it might as well have been a reason to break
00:50:55.370 --> 00:50:57.090
Jordan Liebman: out the handy wipes, if you know what I mean.
00:50:57.390 --> 00:51:00.670
Jordan Liebman: So he did the best he could at his first year of the Isle of Man,
00:51:00.790 --> 00:51:05.950
Jordan Liebman: and the best he could do was at 18th place in the 500cc race on his TZ500.
00:51:06.530 --> 00:51:12.730
Jordan Liebman: He did a 16th in the 250cc race with a maximum lap speed of 102 miles per hour.
00:51:12.730 --> 00:51:18.410
Jordan Liebman: So he was still 10 miles per hour short average of the fastest lap.
00:51:18.610 --> 00:51:21.350
Jordan Liebman: But, I mean, for his first year to do that,
00:51:22.163 --> 00:51:25.023
Jordan Liebman: That's fine you know his first year there
00:51:25.023 --> 00:51:27.963
Jordan Liebman: but he loved the experience and he said he'd definitely be back
00:51:27.963 --> 00:51:30.863
Jordan Liebman: so he went and all he did all these things he's with the armory
00:51:30.863 --> 00:51:34.043
Jordan Liebman: armada frank kennedy and merv robinson they all
00:51:34.043 --> 00:51:37.563
Jordan Liebman: come back and his brother jim jim uh dunlop and
00:51:37.563 --> 00:51:41.383
Jordan Liebman: you'd think nothing big of it because you know they didn't win anything but
00:51:41.383 --> 00:51:46.023
Jordan Liebman: this is northern ireland they need something to cheer for and they have these
00:51:46.023 --> 00:51:49.703
Jordan Liebman: local guys they just did the isle of man and they're freaking heroes right and
00:51:49.703 --> 00:51:54.743
Jordan Liebman: they come back and he was shocked by the publicity that it
00:51:55.138 --> 00:52:00.538
Jordan Liebman: generated. He called it back home in beer-soaked Northern Ireland in Ulster.
00:52:00.738 --> 00:52:05.258
Jordan Liebman: The Armoy Armada had become so popular that Joey's sponsor, John Ray Racing,
00:52:05.638 --> 00:52:09.818
Jordan Liebman: decided to take out ads on local buses to raise support, and there was lots
00:52:09.818 --> 00:52:13.938
Jordan Liebman: of friendly rivalry between the Armoy Armada and the Deromara Destroyers.
00:52:14.298 --> 00:52:19.278
Jordan Liebman: The 1977 season was Joey's eighth year of racing, not consecutive, as I said.
00:52:19.878 --> 00:52:25.218
Jordan Liebman: David Wallace was there to capture it on film, and Joey's accuracy was legendary.
00:52:25.638 --> 00:52:32.098
Jordan Liebman: When locating a place to film from at a jump over a bridge, David Wallace stopped
00:52:32.098 --> 00:52:36.158
Jordan Liebman: to ask a race fan nearby where he should set up his camera.
00:52:36.558 --> 00:52:40.018
Jordan Liebman: The race fan answered him, and it's basically summed up Joey,
00:52:40.438 --> 00:52:41.998
Jordan Liebman: that he was just this disciplined.
00:52:42.858 --> 00:52:49.138
Jordan Liebman: Seeing dozens of racers on this race course, he says, they land all over the place except Joey.
00:52:49.278 --> 00:52:54.718
Jordan Liebman: Wherever you see Joey land on lap one, you could put a coin down on the spot
00:52:54.718 --> 00:52:58.258
Jordan Liebman: and he'll hit it on every lap after that. So imagine that.
00:52:58.478 --> 00:53:01.358
Jordan Liebman: He's jumping over a bridge and these guys are flying all over the place.
00:53:01.578 --> 00:53:04.318
Jordan Liebman: You could never guess where the front wheel is gonna land after jumping over
00:53:04.318 --> 00:53:08.598
Jordan Liebman: this bridge. And every single time Joey's front tire lands exactly the same spot.
00:53:09.038 --> 00:53:13.558
Jordan Liebman: That's how Joey raced. Joey was fast and fearless, but he didn't fall off that
00:53:13.558 --> 00:53:16.938
Jordan Liebman: often. You can't afford to fall off. You're pretty much paying for everything yourself.
00:53:17.538 --> 00:53:22.218
Jordan Liebman: Mervyn Frank did most of the falling off, and both of the latter spent most
00:53:22.218 --> 00:53:24.638
Jordan Liebman: of the 1977 season on the sidelines.
00:53:25.078 --> 00:53:29.438
Jordan Liebman: Joey had to carry the flag for the team. At the 1977 Cookstown 100,
00:53:29.818 --> 00:53:36.518
Jordan Liebman: Joey beat Ray McCulloch, Joey's hero again, fair and square, in the Premier 500 race.
00:53:36.878 --> 00:53:40.938
Jordan Liebman: Until then, being ahead of Ray McCulloch made Joey think he was in danger.
00:53:41.118 --> 00:53:45.878
Jordan Liebman: So it is at this point that Joey's actually beating Ray McCulloch,
00:53:45.878 --> 00:53:47.878
Jordan Liebman: and it scares the shit out of him.
00:53:48.018 --> 00:53:53.418
Jordan Liebman: Because if he's beating Ray McCulloch, he's in his mind doing something really fucking dangerous.
00:54:17.419 --> 00:54:18.859
Robin Dean: Every word of that was worth it.
00:54:19.399 --> 00:54:22.739
Brian Wringer: Excellent. Back when men were men and sheep were scared. Yes.
00:54:23.359 --> 00:54:27.679
Robin Dean: All right. Afterwards, I don't know what we're going to talk about next time.
00:54:28.099 --> 00:54:31.439
Robin Dean: It'll be a surprise. We'll make it good. It'll be great. Whatever it is.
00:54:31.819 --> 00:54:34.019
Robin Dean: Maybe we'll do an article read if I have to figure something out.
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.759
Robin Dean: Whatever. It's okay. We'll make something good happen. We'll keep you all entertained.
00:54:37.259 --> 00:54:38.799
Robin Dean: Maybe we'll get deep into tires.
00:54:39.259 --> 00:54:39.819
Brian Wringer: Oh, cool.
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:41.059
Robin Dean: You all set to go?
00:54:41.299 --> 00:54:42.059
Brian Wringer: Let's get out of here.