The Truth About Iran Zolal Habibi Exposes Human Rights Abuses and the Path to Freedom

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Our foundering fathers here in this country brought about the
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only true revolution that has ever taken place in man's history.
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Evolved the idea that you and I have within ourselves,
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the god given right and the ability to determine our
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own destiny.
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The United States of America the greatest nation in history,
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ordained by our founders to be guided by divine providence,
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but today we are witnessing the orchestrated disintegration of America.
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Take a few seconds and take a look around your town,
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your state, look at your country and your world, and
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boldly ask what in the hell is going on?
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Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
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We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream.
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The only way they can inherit the freedom we have
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known is if we fight for it, protect it, defend it,
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and then hand it to them with the well taught
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lessons of how they in their lifetime. Let's do the same.
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Welcome to the podcast Project Third Eye Opened, where we
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dare to question with boldness the events that are unfolding
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around us that others won't. At the end of the day,
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it is we the people who will decide the destiny
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of the Nation. Now introducing your host, Tony ll.
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Greetins, Gretins, Greetines, one and all. This is Tony L.
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And I'm bringing you a very very special and timely
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production here, a project that I open timely is I
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guess to be an understatement, as you soon discover. I'm
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sitting here with Halal Habibie, human rights and woman's rights advocate.
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She's a member of the NCRI, which is the National
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Council of Resistance of Iran. She's an expert commentary on
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Iran the alternative and democratic change. She's been an advocate
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for over twenty five years. And maybe what started all
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this was a loss, well not lost, but tragic loss
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of her father.
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Done a massacre in nineteen eighty eight.
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And just to give y'all before I introduce her, how
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important Iran is.
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That many people may not know just how important. They're
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one of the long longest.
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Existing continuously occupied, not occupied, but where people lived.
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Longer than over to what I have.
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Over eighty eight eight thousand years. Oh, Iran one of
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the longest countries.
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Ever, longer standing.
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Yes, yes, yes, and that's amazing if you think about it.
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They were. If people do not know the history they.
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Were pressure the Persian dynasty and only recently changed rectually
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recently nineteen thirty five it became Iran, and there's there's
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some controversy around that in regards to the relationship with
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Iran and uh Nazi Adolf Hitler, but that could be
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another conversation. That's interesting because that's one of the things
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I'm really really curious about, that, the whole Iman and
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Arian nation kind of thing. But yeah, so Iran is
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big time and I think is it Daniels, the biblical Daniel?
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Is his crypt there or the David.
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I think it's David David. I did not know that.
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That just tells you the commonalities that we have a
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lot of people just don't understand when they look at
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Iran today.
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So with that further Ado introduce yourself to the folks.
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Well, first of all, thank you for having me, and
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I'm got to be here on project or IM opened
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and I would like to greet your the audience people
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who are tuning in, just to give a short explainer
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as you As you mentioned, I am a activist with
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the Iranian Resistance, the National Council Persistance of Iran and
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a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, and I have
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been a long time activist for the People's Madriving Organization
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of Iran or known as m K in the US
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to most and as you said, I mean, I've I
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got introduced to the situation in Iran and what's going
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on as from very early on because my father was
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a writer and a human rights activist, So I became
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aware of what was happening in Iran even as young
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as I was, like two three years old. But so
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it really shaped who I am today understanding, you know,
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the fact that our country lives, our people live under
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tyranny and a dictatorship and the continuous fight for freedom
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in Iran. The people of Iran have been fighting for
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freedom for one hundred and twenty years now, but they've
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never given in, and they've never given up, and they
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continue continue to fight. And today, as we are recording,
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I'm not really sure when this will be aired exactly,
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but today's mark marks day thirteen of the nationwide uprisings
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in Iran, and the brave people of Iran have taken
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to the streets in the uprising that started with the
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economic situation, but it has spread like wildfire and is
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currently the main demand of the Iranian people is to
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overthrow the Malahs, and they have a lot of hope
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and inspiration and aspiration to be able to see finally
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a democratic republic and in Iran, a secular democratic republic
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in Iran, for people can live in freedom and democracy
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and have a lot of the rights that we might
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take for granted at times, but there are a lot
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of people around the world who are denying those rights.
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So it's a very important, as you said, time frame
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and very timely interviews. So thank you for your time.
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I totally agreed. Totally agreed.
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Now, I find that it's interesting about you when we
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was getting on you're pretty much American.
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I was born and raised in the US.
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Yeah, but you have such a passion for your people
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that you are kind of fighting for them at arms length,
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based on to your father, based on your mother is
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very much an advocate, and I kind of think it
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kind of passed through her to you because kind of
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you say, skipped over your brother.
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So tell the why are you so passionate?
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I mean cause, again, to siblings at least, I don't
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know how many other siblings you have, but you said
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your brother just okay, your brother. It's like Okay, I'm
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good over here, but you you're like, that's my home.
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Tell people, what's really really driving.
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You to this. I think that even though I was
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born and raised abroad, I don't think there has been
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a day in my life that I haven't thought about
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my people and what is happening anyone. And I think
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that it's just the perspective or the lenses that you
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look through. I could have easily said, well, I've actually
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never been to Iran, so there's no connection there. My
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mom came to the when when she was fifteen. My
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dad was like, twenty two twenty three. You know, we
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grew up here, we were raised here, we should and
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our family has already paid enough of a price, so
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let's just concentrate on our own lives. But for me,
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it wasn't that.
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It was that I had the.
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Privilege of being in a family that I was introduced
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to the realities on the ground, and you run. From
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early on, From very early on, my parents always try
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to keep me informed, even as a child. They would
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explain it to me in a method for to be
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understandable for a child, and they would never tell me
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what's wrong and what's right. They would explain to the
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situation to me and they would say, what do you think?
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And they made me make those choices myself, you know.
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And I think that I grew up understanding that freedom
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is not something that's given to you on a silver platter.
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It's something that you have to fight for and it's
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something that you have to cherish and hold very dear
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when you have it, and you have to really say
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guarded with your life, with everything, because that's what matters
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at the end of the day. Those those principles, those
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values that you live by. And I think that my
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parents were great role models for me because I think, yeah,
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maybe I didn't have the chance to grow up with
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them on day to day basis, and they didn't teach
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me what's important in life through their words, but through
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their own actions. The fact that they put everything, I mean,
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they put Iran and the freedom of their people before
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everything else in their lives, even their most cherished position possession,
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which would be me, me and my brother like their children. Right.
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But I think that that is what helped really shape
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who I am today, and that connection. I think that
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when I look back, I remember spending like, for instance,
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my spring breaks, going to the US Congress to try
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to inform, you know, members of Congress, like this is
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what's going on in your run. And I remember the
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first time I got a signature from a congressman. I
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was twelve and it was spring breakneen ninety three, and
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that was that was, you know what, I felt like,
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I need to do something for my people. I need
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to do something for those who are living under tyranny
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and dictatorship. And so that really set the path. But
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I think, yeah, over the years, there have been a
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lot of crossroads that I have come to, and I
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had to make a choice each time. But I'm today,
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I'm prouder than ever of every decision that was made
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that I've we've reached this point and we see today
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that they reading people you know, are risking everything and
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they're coming to the streets for freedom, for democracy and
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to be able to really regain place in history and
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be able to for once for the country to be
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people's sovereignty after you know, centuries really in a way,
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because the people of Iran had a revolution in nineteen
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seventy nine, they overthrew the Shah, which was a classical
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dictatorship with its savak and it's you know, it was
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notorious back then for executions and torture, but unfortunately it
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was replaced by the Mullas who were ten times worse,
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and they've continued those torture and executions and unfortunately, twenty
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twenty five there were over two two hundred people executed
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in Iran.
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That point, I'm curious, because you definitely zibit extreme passion
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for the ideal of freedom and the American idea. I'm curious,
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how do you see the American people's connection with freedom
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and the ideal that was given to us by birth
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and how they're treating it compared to reflection of what's
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going on in our raq in Iran where they still
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are fighting for that. But you are kind of caught
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in between and you're able to see both. Are you
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impressed with the American people today or you're like, what
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are y'all doing?
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That's a hard course, you know, else question to answer.
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But the reality is that I think that we take
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for granted what we always have. That's just human nature.
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And as I said before, I think it's really important
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to safeguard that freedom and democracy that you have. That said,
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I think that if we reflect on what's happening on
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the streets of Iran today. It will take us back
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to you know fore fathers and the fight fight that
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they had against you know, how they fought for their independence,
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how they fought against the monarchy, how they fought against
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you know, for their independence and for liberty and those values.
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I mean, when you look at the US Constitution and
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how it came about, you know, some of the basic
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things that have been written in there that has served
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as a blueprint or for the US. I think that
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maybe today and American society, there might be a lot
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of internal fightings and things like that, but at the
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end of the day, I think that for the most part,
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people if they just push aside all the noise and
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you know, they concentrate on what it is that exists
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and what are those bases, I think they for the
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most part, people will understand the value of how the
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fundaments that this country has been built on. I'm not
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saying it's perfect. Yes it was you know centuries ago.
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Times have evolved, situations have changed, but a lot of
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the basics are still the same. It's like an Iran well,
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a lot of you'll hear a lot of Iran and
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say the first human Rights declaration was from Iran five
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thousand years ago, and that is correct. The basis of
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the current International Human Rights Charter comes from Iran from
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five thousand years ago. But right now our people are
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being denied their most basic human rights, So you can't
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It's not something as we were joking before, but it's
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not something that you inherent, it's not hereditary. It's something
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that you have to understand what it is that you have,
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and you need to value that. You need to be
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able to build up on that and evolve it over time.
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But you need to understand that there's a price that
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comes with it. You need to understand that. Unfortunately, there
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are millions around the world who who do not have
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that possibility or the luxury of actually living in a
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place that you can voice your thoughts freely, even if
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it's not popular. I mean, yeah, we're not human kind.
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We're not supposed to all be exactly like. Yes, there
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are different you know, mindset, there are different methods of thinking.
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And that's the beauty of our society if it's you know,
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if we could have that diversity, and that is what
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helps human beings push forward and evolve and over time
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in society for it to evolve. So I think it's
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really important to understand those basis and sometimes you just
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have to maybe step back and look at the scene,
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you know, look at the image and look at you
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know what at the end of the day, this is
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We have a saying in varsity that we say this
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life isn't passing, so it's not eternal, and just look
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at you know what is the What are you? What
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are you contributing to humankind at the end of the day.
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I think I consider myself very lucky to be part
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of it, being born in a time and a place that,
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due to the circumstances, I have the possibility to really
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make it impact on, you know, on the the future
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of not not only my own destiny, but the future
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of a country and the destiny of our people and
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if you know, the be able to be in that
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turning point for our history. So for me, that's always
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I think the greatest accomplishment I can have is if
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I could be just you know, one of those building
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blocks on the path to a free Iran, a democratic ran,
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a democratic republic that we can be proud of and
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we could take pride again in saying that, yes, we
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are Iranian. Just to go back on what you said
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about the name Iran, Iranians have always called Iran Iran
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the but in Western culture they called it Persia, and
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that comes from the city of because Iran. You know,
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if you our ethnicity, when you go back and our ancestors,
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there is the there are three tribes that was the Parse,
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Parts and mod which create the Aryan race whatnot. So
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Pars is today the province of Farce, which Chiras is
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like the center of it. That's where the name Persia
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came from. It's it's so that's where it's rooted. The
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Parts were the ones who actually migrated to India and
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then the mod are the ones who migrated to Europe.
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So that's like the history of it. But the Iranians
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have always called Iran Iran. I mean, as I could
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do with Hitler. But unfortunately you are right. The the
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transfer of the name has to do with that. And
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the fact is that, unfortunately this is something that some
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people try to forget. But at the time the shaw
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E which was they were, they actually boasted on the
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fact that they have that connection with Hitler. And they
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I mean even right now on the on the Facebook,
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I think OF's daughter. You can find that letter that
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Hitler wrote for and they had they posted and fortunately
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they don't think that that's something to be ashamed of.
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But that is Unfortunately, that's the mindset of the monarchist
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and I'm sorry, but that's and that's why we want
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to push away. I mean, they made people. That's why
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they keep on saying. You look, we don't want it.
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We don't have to choose between two dictatorships, one a
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classical dictatorship and one the molas when which both don't
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believe in you know, people's sovereignty. It's hereditary system and
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whatnot that we re opposed. They ready, people are looking
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for to move forward, come into the new century with
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a democratic republic. So football.
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I Ran always been called Iran, yeah, right, since the beginning,
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since the beginning, okay, So the rewriting of the map,
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that's on us.
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Yeah, that's because they knew the city of Parts like
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that province and so it was Persia. But it's that
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used to be the capital of Iran back and the
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you know central okay, two thousand years ago. So the
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Parts first province was the capital of Iran at that time,
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and so that's where it's derived from Persia the lenses.
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So Hitler don't have anything really to do with the
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name of the country being Iran. But there was some
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communication in nineteen thirty five between Hitler and the Shah.
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Yeah, probably that's that's where that you know, the shop
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was emphasized on changing back the name just because he
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had that connection so.
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Well. And that's fascinating. I mean, I love history, as
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the public can tell.
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But but in regards to your point and people having
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more reverence for what we have in regards to freedom
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that is not guaranteed. And that's why I think the
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monologue by Reagan it is so poigny and almost prophetic,
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because he's basically says the same thing, that that that
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that freedom is not handed down through the blood s green,
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that it has to be protected, has to be fought for,
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it has to be preserved for the next generation, and
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they need to be taught that as well, so it
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can be passed down like we used to do orally,
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you know, so it's not you know, relegated to the
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history books and like.
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Remember when the God of thy Uh, you know, so.
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Twenty two thousand citizens were executed in one year that
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being last year, What do you see is coming next?
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As you said, it was two two hundred people were
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executed last year. Unfortunately, since the beginning of the uprisings
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till now, over one hundred and fifty currently people have
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been executed aside from those who are being killed on
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the streets, because the Iranian regime knows that that is
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the only way it can keep itself afloat by spreading
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fear in society and having executions. But what's coming next
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is I think that the Iranian regime for a while now.
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I think if you even go back in twenty twenty
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two with the uprisings that took place an I run
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after that, how many knew that the next uprising can
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mean it's the end of this regime.
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So they have been.
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Preparing for three four years, probably more because from the
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twenty nineteen uprisings, I think they had this understanding that
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next time it's going to be the overthrow twenty nineteen.
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COVID bought time for the regime in twenty twenty because
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everyone knew that after that uprising, you know this it's
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a powder keg waiting to explode. That was that has
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been the situation of Iran for a few years. Now,
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that's a question.
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Wasn't there an uprising under the Obama administration?
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And Obama promise to back through uprising and then he says, nah,
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I'll take.
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My mind thousand in two thousand and nine, yeah, right right,
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two thousand and nine, the people of Iran came took
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to the streets. One of their slogans was Obama, Obama,
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are you with us or with them? And unfortunately President
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Obama actually extended his hand in a message to how
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many and said, you know, we don't want to see
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your overthrow, just don't kill the people on the streets
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and whatnot. And unfortunately, at that time, uh huh, the
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Iranian regime got that green light that you know, no
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one's going to do anything. Really, they will give empty
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messages of that nice and solidarity and whatnot, but they're
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not going to actually do anything. And what they did
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was but the regime at that time also feared that,
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you know, uprisings can lead to something because they know
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that the people everyone don't want this regime. That's a
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given even for the regime itself, even based on their
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own statistics, ninety percent of the population opposed this region
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and its entirety, so it's not something thing that is
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not known to the regime or to the people. Back
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in two thousand and nine, unfortunately, and the height of
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the uprisings at that time, the MK, the PMO, MK
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People's Madrid Organization everyone, they were in Iraq at that time.
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They had a city, it was called Ashaft. They were
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under US protection actually, and the US turned their back
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on them and turned their security to the Iraqi forces
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who were under the guide of the Aradian regime. And unfortunately,
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in the height of the risings they were attacked.
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Two that's that, that's strike too, right so, and then
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came the most recent one, you say, in twenty toy
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of twenty.
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One the uprisings, right, no, so two thousand and nine.
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And then there was one at right like right now
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in December twenty seventeen, so it was two thousand and nine,
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and then December twenty seventeen, beginning of twenty eighteen, and
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then twenty nineteen. In November twenty nineteen, which is called
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the Bloody in November by Iranians, that there were uprisings.
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The regime shut down the internet for five days and
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they massacred people on the streets, like one thousand, five
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hundred at least, there was a lot more that we
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don't have the numbers. Just one second so were actually
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killed in the streets. That was November twenty nineteen, twenty
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twenty COVID happened. So the region really was glad about
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the shutdown, and that's why they actually did not allow
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any kind of aid to come into Iran. The region
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didn't want it because they wanted people to stay at
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their house and that's fortunately over six hundred thousand people
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died from COVID in Iran, so right, and then there
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was twenty twenty two uprisings with the death of Massa
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Amini and then today.
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So the twenty twenty seventh of twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen,
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was there any impression that the United States was going
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to come in on the side of the people or.
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Biden? I guess twenty nineteen? Or was that was that Trump?
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I was, I was present, I think yeah, twenty nineteen
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it was Trump. Twenty twenty two was Biden?
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Right? So what was that any impression that United States
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come in?
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No, it was it was same rhetoric and same Yeah,
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it was. It's unfortunately what we've seen is that it
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really doesn't make that much of a difference. Is they
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think of their own benefits or intentions. So it's unfortunately
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hopefully this time it will be different, and it seems
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different just because they have reached the point. I think
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that not only the US, but also a lot of
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the European countries have also reached that understanding that this
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regime is not someone that you can negotiate with.
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So how how has the reaction of the United States government,
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going back to Obama to now, how has that shaped
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the people's mindset and how based on your opinion, how
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has that shaped the reason?
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Well, Iran has always played a very important role in
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the geopolitic politics of the region. Geopolitically is it has
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always had an important role, and I think that is
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what the international community and also countries pay a lot
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of attention to just because historically, like for instance, when
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doctor Mosadev, who was the only democratic government that we've
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actually had in Iran, tried to nationalize the oil and
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push out US and the British you know, independent you
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know dependencies, Well, that started whole movement in the Middle East,
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and we saw Egypt follow and others and so that's
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not something that unfortunately at that time the US and
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UK wanted. So that's why they had the kudata against
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doctor Mosadev and had him overthrown and brought you know,
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Ma Madas of Pahlavi restored his power.
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And you know, so people who may not be meeting
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with these names that you're throwing out because I'm so
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I guess, my, I guess awareness of a man came
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under the Shaw and Jimmy Carter and all of that.
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So the names that you're throwing.
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Out, it's from before that, before that.
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Okay, wow, okay, because because I heard that Iran used
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to be the mecca of the Middle East, very sophisticated people,
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more freedoms, even even for women, if if if I'm
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if I'm correct.
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But then the Shaw.
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Wasn't perfect, but I do I did hear that he
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was very generous to the Jewish population there, so he
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wasn't all, you know, crazy, but he definitely was a benevolent.
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But so give us how does that all fit in?
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And then you kind of talk about how I ran
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or the Middle East really didn't want the United States
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in their business.
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So this is the thing that from Mahmad parame his
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father who he was brought in by the British. So
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from the beginning this dynasty that they had, the Panhamme dynasty,
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it was really a puppet government. It wasn't so it
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always first and foremost took into consideration the interest of
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like at that time, the UK, his father and then
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mom add as a pallab because and then he was
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actually taken out when he was due to a lot
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of different issues. But the reality is that the UK,
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he's not serving their interests anymore and he was more
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aligned with Hitler and everything, so they had him taken
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out and they brought his son. Right, his son was
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brought in. He was mostly supported by the US. So
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that's like that ship. But it's for an intervention that
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brought them into power. It's not that people wanted them, right.
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The reality is that this is where people get it wrong.
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You shouldn't have to compare between bad and worse, or
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our choice is not between bad and worse. Yes, the
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Shaw he was a classical dictatorship who was also dependent
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on foreign interest or the US at that time. His
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I mean he still was a dictator like for instance,
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maybe people didn't have a dress code like they do
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under the Mulas, you know, like women being not having
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the right to choose their own clothing and whatnot. But
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it wasn't like they had like Iran was a democracy.
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There was a subvawc which actually especially when mom and
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a Zapana he came into power, he ruled with the Savak.
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The subvak was the secret police. If you do a
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search even like back if you look now, like at
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that time, Iran was the number one violator of human
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rights back in the nineteen seventies under the Shah, because
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the subvac was executing people and there was you know,
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torture and there was all the reports still exist if
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you go back into if you just search an Amnesty
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International's website, right, the reports from back then still exist.
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And that in fact Harter when he came into power,
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he had this polity of human rights. Right. So President
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Carter told the Shaw, you know you need to stop,
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you need to back off torture and execution. And the
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Shaw did because he needed he was to be happy
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with him because he had the experience of his dad
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that he was put aside when he didn't follow. And
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within eighteen months that island of stability. That actually there
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was a dinner at New Year's Day in nineteen seventy
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eight in Iran that President Carter said, Iran is the
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island of stability in the region. And that island of
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stability fell apart within a few months because people wouldn't
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fear execution and torture and they knew that if at
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the end of the day, you might die in the
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protest when you go to the streets because of like
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just in one day, the Shaw killed over one thousand,
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five hundred people in one protest. He did that because
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that's how he wanted to keep his power. But everyone
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you if you are arrested in the protest, they don't
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have torture and execution anymore. So that fear of the
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Savak fell and then people came to the streets and protested,
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and within a year the show was gone. So that
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is the you know that existed during the shows. Now
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they try to give you this rosy image of Iran.
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People were free, people were you know, wore whatever they wanted.
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Yvon was beautiful and whatnot. Iran is even today Iran.
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Themanian people are very educated. Yvon has the highest brain
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drain in the world right now. Look at all the
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top tech companies or big companies in the US, you
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will find at the head, you know, and the CEO level,
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there are a lot of Iranians. Iran is a very
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rich culture country and its culture and it's you know,
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it has the capability to become something really big. But
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even right now, I mean, the education level in Iran
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has gone up under the Mullas, but it has nothing
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to do with the Mullas. It's just the people who
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are that's the culture of the country. So it's it's
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not it has doesn't have to do with the who's
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in power really, So.
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With that point, the mothers have to sign off on it.
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I mean, I mean, one one of the things that
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that's that's incredible to me in this country is that
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since the federal government has tooken over education or education
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and as.
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A as a society has.
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Gone down, so they have a lot of influence on
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what's what's taught in government schools. So the Mullas must
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sign off on people being educated it or they would
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not be educated well.
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Right the regime at the beginning of the after the revolution,
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they knew that that the place that was the heart
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of the revolution were the universities. The Mullas understood that,
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they understood that the elite, Yeah, the elites who created
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the revolution at the beginning, for the students. So he
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knew that this is Homiani knew that that's like the
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hotbed that I need to watch out for because they're
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the ones who are going to be the first to
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turn her against me. And that was the case. And
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so from within the first few months, everyone was like, look,
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we didn't revolt for Islam. We revolted for freedom and democracy.
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We didn't want an Islamic state, we wanted, you know,
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a democratic republic. Any run what is this? And Homani
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when he came, he kept on saying, oh, I don't
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want to have any role in the politics. I'm just
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going to go to home and continue my studies and whatever.
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I'm just the far figure for the people. Everyone like,
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you know, just that rhetoric that he was feeding people.
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So what he did was when he saw people were like, no, no, no,
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this is not what we we voted for. Immediately Homini
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shut down the universities for three years and they called
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it the cultural revolution. Why because at that time Master Rajabi,
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who was the leader of who is the leader of
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the Imanian resistance, the People's majority. He was holding classes
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on evolution and the importance of evolution in the fight
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for democracy, like understanding it and comprehending all of this
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in Tehran University, and it was being tipped and then
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broadcasted in like different schools around the country. Everyone was
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listening in even Iranian students who are in the US
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at the time, they were getting these cassettes and listening
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to it and they were you know, it was creating
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like this whole movement of people who were aware, and
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you know, the elite were becoming more and more aware
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of what is happening and what needs to be done
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and what is the roadmap. And so Homani understood that
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that is like the greatest threat to its existence. So
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it shut down the universities for three years. And then
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there was also the Iran Iraq war that Homiani sent
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children to the minefields to open the minefields. Four hundred
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and fifty thousand children were sent to the minefields. Yeah,
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and because instead of buying like mind sweepers, that's how
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how much it valued actual human lives in the future
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of the country. So the regime, the regime does has
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not given people a lot of opportunities. But the reality
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is like, for instance, Iran is ahead in science and math. Uh,
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it's always been that way than like for instance, right,
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guess whatever, So the vision the people, Yeah, just just
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I think this sentence will might help understand that people
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everyone have looked at higher education as a way to
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defy the regime. So it's it's kind of like a
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method of resistance. Even right now, and universities you have
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more female students than male. It's not that they're giving
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more possibilities. They see it as a way to rebel
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against the regime. There are you know, admission tests and
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things like that, but they go and study for it
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and they pass it, but they want to they use
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it as a defiance against the regime. So the revision
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wants higher education.
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That's my point.
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Does not happen in Afghanistan, That's not necessarily happen in
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Saudi Arabia, That's not happen in Sudan to my understand.
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So I guess my point is the fact that this
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is happening based on what you're saying in Iran is
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because the government is allowing it to happen.
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No, what I'm saying is part of our culture, like
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higher education is like that. It's part of our culture.
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And the people everyone have forced it upon the regime.
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The regime doesn't give anything to the people. The people
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force it upon it, right, and it's been forced on.
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As I said, the regime shut down the universities for
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three years. They did everything that they can to stop,
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you know, and they were forced to reopen it. It
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wasn't just like they gave it to the people. Everything
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is fought for is a push against the regime, and
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the regime has to give in on some things, not
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to give in on other issues. You know, they have
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to keep their backs, choose their backs.
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This is not happening in Afghanistan.
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This is not happen. Multiple difference, there's a cultural difference, right.
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But my point is, and all education has gone down
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since the government has too took an over education. So
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my point is if the government did not want this
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to happen, it would not be happening because just as
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they have stopped you from doing other things, what's to
622
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say intellectually that they could not have stopped this from happening.
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If they had, the region would have been overthrown in
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a long time ago, because what are they going to
625
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.199
do with Iran is a very I mean, if you
626
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look at the population has doubled what it was at
627
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the time of the revolution, So it's a country like
628
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population wise, what are you going to do with these
629
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.119
young people if they don't have the possibility to go
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to university and follow up on higher education, what are
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you going to do with them?
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Well, well, again, the same thing that's happened here in
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other countries. The government could have the educated the population
634
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made them dumber, like what has happening here in America.
635
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.559
It's not like it's beyond the wom of possibility, because
636
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government does have the power to allow things to happen,
637
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or disifies things to happen.
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Or corrupt what they want to happen. Like the educate miseducate.
639
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They have done that, they have tried to do that,
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and they continue to do that too. But as I said,
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the people, everyone look at it as a way of
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resisting to educate the family itself. You know, the parents
643
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push for those that education and for they try to
644
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also keep their children in from that. Look, this is propaganda,
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This is ideological misconceptions of the this is the reality,
646
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So just concentrate on this part. So, I mean the
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regime has tried to utilize it and miss abuse it.
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That's a given. I mean, the propaganda that is fed
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to people from when they're in kindergarten any run, it's
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just ridiculous if I if I start telling you about that.
651
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But what I'm looking at as like the bigger picture
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of the Iranian people because they looked at it as
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a way to defy. They knew education is exactly one
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hundred and eighty degrees opposite of the Mola's backward mindset,
655
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so they looked at it as a way to resist.
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And so that's why families always have really been like
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education has always been part of our culture, but specifically
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00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.679
this time they look at it as a way to
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also defy the regime. And it's it's part of you know,
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as I said, it's part of the culture too. So
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it's something that their team couldn't push away. They had
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to choose, as I said, they have to choose their battles.
663
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They can't when you know, fight on all fronts. They
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can choose.
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How is in the.
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United States viewed by the rounding of people based on
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your understanding.
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The Iranian people have. They have nothing against the US
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or Americans or anything like that. But I think that
670
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we've learned a lesson, and that's like a really important lesson,
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is that the Iranian people don't want when it comes
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to governments, they don't want for an intervention. They want
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to be a country that's in peace in French, you know,
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brotherhood with all other nations. But the reality is that
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we're not looking at let's see if the US is
676
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going to support us or not know. We understand, we
677
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know that that's like a red line. Independence. Keeping our
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independence is like really important. We don't want for an
679
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.119
intervention because we think that the people of your own
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have the capablit and the capacity to bring about change.
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Missus Rajavi, the President Laked of the National Council of
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Resistance of Iran, stated twenty years ago at the European
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Parliament that there's a third option on irun. The solution
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is not appeasement or war. It's supporting the Iranian people
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in their organized resistance to be able to create change
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and because the people around have those capabilities. But unfortunately,
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because of the positive appeasement towards the Mulas they have
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been used as the number one bargaining chip at the
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table for decades now. So if you put aside that
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00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:38.519
positive appeasement, we have the possibility to bring about that change.
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And that's what you're seeing brewing on the streets of
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Iran today.
693
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So you missed the how the women are picking up
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the flag in this revolution, Well, the man the.
695
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Men are also finding it's not that's exactly that's I
696
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think the important issue that you're raised the women of Iran,
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because the Uranian resistance actually came about the importance of
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women in empower women empowerment and women in leadership back
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00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.639
in nineteen eighty five. So from nineteen eighty five till now,
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the Iranian resistance, specifically the People's Majority Organization of Iran,
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00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:29.679
has been it's something that has evolved, but the lead
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00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.920
women have always been in leadership roles, and right now
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the complete leadership council of the People's Majority Organization of
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00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.519
Iran are all women. But that doesn't mean that the
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men have become passive or they're sitting back there. In fact,
706
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they have now taken up much more roles than they
707
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used to and because they feel like this has actually
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changed their own mindset and it has emancipated them as
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human beings to see women as goal to themselves, and
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that just really that's very freezes your energy. It frees
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your mind once you're able to move out of that mindset,
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which is unfortunately a male dominant, you know, mindset, and
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to be able to see everyone as actual only as
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human beings, and see them in their capability and the
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capacity that they have. And that because I think that
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the Manian regime has systematically, really they have suppressed women's
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systematically any run, because they said if we Homeni's idea was,
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if we're able to control half of society, we have
719
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complete grip over you know, the society. So women have
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been suppressed systematically so much that it's like a spring.
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The more pressure you put on a spring, when that
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pressure is released taken off, there's so much energy that
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is really right, and that's what we're seeing. That's why
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you see women taking up those roles because they have
725
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nothing to lose. They're treated as second class citizens. What
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they're living is not life, it's just they're alive. Right,
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So these women once they see that they're taken seriously,
728
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that they are seen as equals that they have so
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much potential to come and give and find new methods.
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I mean, one of the things that we're seeing is
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we're seeing a generation of female leaders in the Ranian
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Resistance who they work hand in hand. You see the
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growth of teamwork. You see the growth of people who
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really pay a price for one another, They sacrifice for
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one another, but they take one another's hands and pull
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them forward and push them forward. And that it's like
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a never ending cycle of giving and pushing for and
738
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so that creates this momentum that we see on the
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ground and around. So in fact, it's not like it
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doesn't come from a like a feminist point of view.
741
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It comes from seeing humans as equal beings point of view.
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So we're not saying that male you know, male dominance
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should be replaced with like female dominance or something like that.
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You know, it's not that's not the issue. The issue
745
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is seeing all of us as equals and to being
746
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able to push forward together and changing our mindsets and
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those backward ideas that we we have in society and
748
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pushing that away and to be able to you know,
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really base everything on that with that.
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First of all, I don't believe an equality because I
751
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think nothing's equal us strains that I don't have and
752
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I got streched you and have, so no, no, such
753
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that's equal.
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But mhm women, the woman' ego is.
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Based on security, like y'all want your ya. Generally, females
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wanted to feel safe.
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They they.
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Mh jennery give to another person's another group.
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Just so they could bring feel that security, whereas a
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man senetically speaking uh a more condition to fight.
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This based on principle, So I find it interesting that.
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Women, according to you, are looking for a fight and
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the men are coming up second behind that. Particularly looking
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at your culture as received from the outside, that women
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are supposed to be bringing up the wear, not standing
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beside the man, but bringing up the rear of the man,
767
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like several steps.
768
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So how how does this come to reality in Iran?
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Well, that's actually I think this is something that needs
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its own today because it's a I think it's one
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of the most beautiful and amazing things that this movement
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has accomplished. The reality is that missus Vradjevi is a
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trailblazer when it comes to gender equality. And the reality
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is that that those what you said, we're all those
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lenses that we have that women are this and men
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are this. No, they're all human beings in nature. I mean,
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first of all, we have to understand everyone makes choices,
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and those choices are based on unfortunately how we are
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raised and the culture that we grow up in and
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all of that. But we can make that decision. It's
781
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a with with our knowledge, you know, it's something out
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of choice that you you can make that decision to
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take a different path. And that's what we have done. Yeah.
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Is it easy? No, because, like, for instance, women they
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have been taught so much like you can't do this,
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you can't do that, You're not strong enough. Men are
787
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stronger this. You have that all in your head growing up.
788
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That's not lady like, this is this, this is that.
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But you can overcome all of those and it doesn't
790
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have to be you don't have to do it yourself.
791
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You could do it as a collective. You can do
792
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it together. Right, Just to give you one example, I mean,
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I think if there's one realm that people think that okay,
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women might not be able to, it's like in the military, right,
795
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the people's will join an organization around had the National
796
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Liberation Army, the full command of that army, which was
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the biggest independent national liberation army of the world, and
798
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it had the possible It accomplished things that no classical
799
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.800
army has been able to accomplish. When they were fighting,
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it was led by women, and women drove tanks. Women
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were in every position at a time. In two thousand
802
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and three when the US invader and Iraq, a lot
803
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of the people from the army who did come into
804
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contact with the MUK at that time, they were in
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odd especially the females, are like, we're not allowed to
806
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do any of the things that your commanders are allowed
807
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to do, even if we are the highest position available
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to women in the US Army or in the US military. So,
809
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and these were for some of them it was offense.
810
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You know, they take offense. And I mean because they
811
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saw these are Muslim women who are ahead of them
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when it comes to the understanding of equality. And so
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I think a lot of it is mindset that we have.
814
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But for us, this is a necessity in our fight.
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We can't overthrow the Mullahs with their misogynous views if
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we still believe in some parts of what they think,
817
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If we think that there might be some truth to
818
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that there is no truth to that. I think that
819
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this is a new phenomen I hope that one day
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the world will be able to hear more about it.
821
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Right now, we're so involved in the fight to overcome
822
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this vision, over throw this vision, that we haven't had
823
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the time to speak about it as much as we
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should be.
825
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First of all, I want to make clear my position
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is that women can't do it, and I'm not saying
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that there's not exceptions, because there's always through our history.
828
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We had the Amazon Amazon women, so there's always been
829
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an Africa so called Africa. There's been instances of women leaders.
830
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:50.559
If you go back in our history.
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00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.559
So I don't want anybody to miss what I'm saying.
832
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I'm not saying women can't do it. I'm saying that genetically.
833
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You you can't.
834
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We write genetics. Genetics is what it is.
835
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I mean women generally, they they lean more towards security,
836
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and men lean more towards defense.
837
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:18.239
Men want to blow stuff up. Generally, generally women want to.
838
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:24.480
Build things because their mothers right. When when you want
839
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:28.079
to build a country, that helps.
840
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Right to have what I'm saying, I'm saying we all
841
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have our roles to feel that's what I'm saying. And
842
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.239
like I said, I'm not saying women can't do it,
843
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:42.639
but as a general popular a general population, well, your
844
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.760
uh describement, it's more of an acception to the.
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00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:47.480
Rule than the rule.
846
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:50.840
Actually, we've proven that it's not an exception to the
847
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.880
rule because it's systematically right now in our system. So
848
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.920
we've shown that you can overcome. It's a lot of
849
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:01.199
it is really the It's genetic is one thing, but
850
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culture is another. And that's what we've been taught. It's
851
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:10.760
not the reality necessarily. Genetics. Yes, genetically, you could say
852
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.559
men are their bodies are stronger than women in certain areas.
853
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:18.239
That's fine, that I mean, that's reality. We we aren't
854
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.280
finding that reality. In fact, we're like, okay, fine, Like
855
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:28.760
for instance, a tank the what is it called, the
856
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:35.239
the stick shift, Like it's hard to control that right
857
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:39.320
because a woman's uh hand is a lot weaker than
858
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.639
a man's. They figured it out a way for it.
859
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.360
They they're like, Okay, let's make something that you can
860
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:48.400
use to make this easier so you can overcome those things,
861
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:51.639
those obstacles. It's not an issue because that's genetics. That's
862
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:57.320
what we're talking about but that mindset. You can change things.
863
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:04.360
But to that point, the sticks as it was had
864
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:05.679
to be modified.
865
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.519
For them. We did some modifications on it.
866
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:13.519
That makes a difference.
867
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.119
So I'm not again things should be modified. The environment
868
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:22.679
can't be changed for the woman. That's not what I'm saying,
869
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:24.800
that it can't be changed for the women. But I'm
870
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.039
saying there are differences and the fact that that stick
871
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.599
had to be modified for the woman, just as in
872
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:39.000
some cases the Marines training had to be augmented or
873
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:44.679
modified where the requirements had to be reduced for the woman,
874
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:45.599
for woman.
875
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.360
To pass more. Okay, it had to be modified first,
876
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:50.760
That's all I'm saying.
877
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.679
But as you said before yourself, each one has some
878
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:03.599
strength and strength that women have, so that's not important.
879
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.840
What's important is breaking that mindset first that I can
880
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:08.280
do this.
881
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:09.599
Of course.
882
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.679
We can, we must, and that is what we've pushed
883
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:17.559
forward with and that's why us here today on day
884
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.719
thirteen of the uprisings. I'm very short on.
885
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:23.760
So so.
886
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:30.119
Tell the people how do they follow you and keep
887
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:33.119
it with you? Maybe maybe get into the fight. I
888
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:36.960
think that this this is a very pivotal point and
889
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:41.400
Iranian history. Tell people how they can connect with you,
890
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:43.920
and and like I said, keep up, keep up.
891
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.920
With what you're doing well.
892
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.039
I think if you search my name on the engine
893
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:56.159
both in X and Instagram, you'll find my and LinkedIn happy.
894
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.079
But for people who.
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01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.400
U z O l A l H A b I
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01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:10.159
b I UH the handle for on X on Instagram,
897
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.280
it's A A S h U R A f I
898
01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:20.039
number fever it's it's it's not very easy to say
899
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.320
it this way, so I'll just there's the name. It's
900
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.920
a lot easier. And then but for resources, there's the
901
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:28.559
National Council of Resistance Everyone. As I said, so n
902
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:33.559
c R dash Iran dot org. And there's also n
903
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.760
c R I U S dot org, which is the
904
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.920
US office. And there's also the website of Mayam Rajavi,
905
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.880
the president elect of the movement that I think she's
906
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.440
an inspiration to a lot of people. So it's Mariam
907
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.280
dash Rajavi dot com. Or you can also use mayam
908
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.599
Rajivi for change dot com uh to learn more and
909
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.679
right now on follow the uprisings in you run. There
910
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.639
are a lot of accounts who covering it. It's really
911
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:05.719
important to verify your sources because there's a lot of
912
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.880
fake news going around, and we go to the uprisings
913
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.880
in Iran, but you can follow, as I said, the
914
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.159
n c R I, but also like for instance, on
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01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:20.320
Instagram their accounts it's called Iran uprisings or Iran. These
916
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:23.119
are really good sources and re sources that you can
917
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.840
use to learn more about what's going on in Iran
918
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:27.559
and on the ground.
919
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.039
Zo I definitely do appreciate your time. It's been a
920
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:38.960
very enlightening conversation for me. It's I'm quite sure it
921
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.280
has been enlightening for my listeners, I hope. So if
922
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:44.480
there's anything I can do for you, if you want
923
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:48.320
to come back again, let me know, because we left
924
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:50.360
a lot, a lot of meat on the bone.
925
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:51.159
That's to say at.
926
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:53.880
Exactly.
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01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:58.199
So thank you again and peace be on to you.
928
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:00.800
Thank you very much, really appreciate it.
929
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:30.119
Good Thanks for listening to today's show, and don't forget
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01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.320
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01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:47.000
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01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:12.760
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