Martha Wright

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Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Caprio. Do
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you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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all you had to do was get a little creative
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and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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imagine into your life? Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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we will share manifesting, tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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Here's your host, Melissa Caprio.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa, creating the
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life you crave.
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How's everybody doing?
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I cannot believe that we are in September already, although
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it doesn't feel like it because it's so hot.
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It's, oh my God, so hot here.
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But this year is like flown by. I say that
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every year that this has been the most wild year.
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So maybe I should stop saying that so 2027 can.
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Be a little bit calmer.
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But we are already in September of 2026, and it's
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just flown by. But so many exciting things are happening,
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even with all the craziness. Today I have a really
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interesting guest. She's a medicine woman and a healer, Martha Wright,
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and she's going to join me in just a couple
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of minutes to my regulars who join me every week
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and send me emails and send me manifesting postcards. Thank
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you so much. I really, really appreciate you. If you're
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joining me for the first time, I am an author.
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You can see my book behind me, but I'll hold
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up a copy. It's called Postcards to the Universe, Harness
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the Universe's Power and Manifest Your Dreams. And I have
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people create manifesting postcards and they send them to me
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and then I photograph them. And I am making an
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affirmation oracle deck. I have a homemade one already done.
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I pull cards.
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I do little readings, little oracle readings. I would love
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it if you.
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Would go over to my Postcards to the Universe channel
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on YouTube and you could see those videos. I try
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to keep the oracle card readings around three minutes because
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I know people don't have a lot of time and
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don't have a lot of patience just to see what
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the day's affirmation is. And I started pulling a card
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before each show. So today's card is, I am open
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to love. So this card is asking you, are you
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open to love? Now, I'm talking about any kind of love.
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This is not necessarily romantic love. Is your heart open
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or are you keeping your heart closed? Are you closing
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your heart off to loving yourself, to loving others, to
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loving your community? to loving what you do, to loving
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family and friends. This is a reminder for us to
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open up our hearts and be open to love. There's 52,
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I think there's 52 cards.
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I'm terrible with numbers. 52 cards in the deck.
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And I am in process of writing the booklet that
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goes along with it right now. So it will be available.
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And what I do is somebody sends me a card.
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I set the space. I set an intention. I play
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high frequency music or really nice, beautiful, uplifting music.
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I set candles. I sage the space. And then I
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look for things.
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That I have to add to the card and it's
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meeting to help push the wish forward into the universe.
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So I'm sort of like helping hold the dream for
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the person who submitted the card. And this one is,
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I am open to love. And they're just, they've been
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really fun to make. And it taps into my creative
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side because my background is in photography. So that is
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something that, that I love to do and I keep doing.
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And I do those readings on my YouTube channel. I
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started doing tarot readings. I'm in learning astrology right now.
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I'm taking courses in astrology. So you'll see me talking
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about more of those. And I do short 10, 15
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minute reading, not readings, just inspirational talks, like whatever comes
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up in my mind.
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I'm a Gemini.
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I'm a Gemini with Mercury and Gemini. So communication is
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my thing. So thoughts are popping into my head constantly.
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And if there's something I want to talk about, you'll
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see my face and I do a short video. So
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I would really love it if you would go over
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there and subscribe and follow me.
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All right.
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So let me talk about our guest today, Martha Wright.
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She is a medicine woman. She is a healer. She
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is a coach and a guide whose work brings together
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Celtic spirituality, shamanic energy healing, psychology, somatic awareness, executive coaching,
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and grief-tending Known for blending deep compassion with a grounded,
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empowering approach, she helps people reclaim their agency, strength, and
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their self-awareness and move with life with greater presence, confidence,
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and connection.
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Welcome, Martha. I'm so excited to talk to her today.
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And I'm going to have her whole bio listed underneath
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this video, and you can see all about her and
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where you can contact her on her website.
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So it's marthamw.com, Martha?
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Yeah.
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That's correct. Yeah. MW could be Martha Wright or Medicine Woman. Okay. Oh, right.
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That's perfect.
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So all of that information is going to be in
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the description so people can go right to you if
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they want to find out more about you. So thank
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you so much for joining me today. I'm really excited
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to talk to you.
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I'm so jazzed to be here. Thank you for having me.
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So let's talk about, I always start What led you
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into the work that you're doing right now? Because there's
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usually a story, a projection in your life. You were
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going one way, something happened, and it completely took you
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somewhere else. So I'm always interested in people's origin story
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of how they're doing the work they're doing.
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So I have had a lifelong calling to working with spirit.
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When I was seven, my family, we were on a
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trip to Nepal. We were in Kathmandu. And I walked
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into a temple. And when I walked in, like, I
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blinked and everything got slower. And I opened my eyes.
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And it was just me and, like, 50, 70 monks
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sitting in rows chanting. And there was incense and candles.
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And I said, I'm home. And I blinked again. And
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I opened up. And it's 1992 again, or 91. And
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I'm surrounded by neon fanny packs and tourists. And I
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was like, and my mom said, what did you say?
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And I said, I'm home. And she was like, whatever.
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And so then we kept walking. And so then, you know,
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nothing changes, right? I just become a kid and I'm
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a kid. And then around 15, I had an out
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of body experience that felt deeply astral. And, and then
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that freaked me out. So that put me right back
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in the spiritual closet.
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Yeah.
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And then around 23, I started having these like astral
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projection moments and, and I didn't know what to do
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with it. It kind of spooked me. So I, I
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kept getting these knocks at the door. And finally, around 25,
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my friend's mother did Reiki on me. And that was
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the first time I'd ever experienced energy work, to my knowledge,
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of course. And I had been across the world and
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had these amazing experiences. But that blew me away. And
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in that moment, she got over my solar plexus. And
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this massive... Well, she saw a lion, but I saw
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this rageful cave woman just like... pissed off and she
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jumped out of me and disappeared and I was like
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uh what is it where is she gonna put her
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back in what is happening call the police and um
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and she was like I saw a lion I think
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that was your inner strength and I was like okay
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what do I do and she says I don't know
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and so I started learning Reiki and then I became
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a Reiki master teacher um started trying to find community
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ended up in some new age platforms that just didn't
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feel right for me. And there's nothing wrong with them.
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They just weren't for me. Um, because there was this
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other divine plan for me. Right. And so then after
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I became a mom, um, the phone started ringing again
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and I was like, hello, new phone, who this? And
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spirit was like, it's us. And I was like, I
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don't know. I'm kind of busy and not sleeping.
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And they were like, this is the perfect time.
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You'll be all right. When could it be better? Right.
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And so, um, So I began my first shamanic apprenticeship
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and that was in Egyptian Mysteries. And that's where I
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learned a lot about the Akashic and started learning about
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energy and shamanic journeying and everything that kind of these
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core shamanic principles and then dove into core shamanism as
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like a personal self-study. And then from there, I felt
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this need to deepen and anchor more, but I didn't
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know where to go. And so I didn't want to
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go down to South America, Central America, because I didn't
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feel that ancestral calling to me. So I went with
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my bloodline and that was Scottish and Irish. And so I,
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I went that way and I, I did a couple apprenticeships. Um,
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and then, and at the same time also became a
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breathwork teacher, which is important because I do believe it's
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so great when we can anchor the energy work into
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the somatic body. Um, But then in the Celtic, the
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second apprenticeship, I was in a guided journey. And it
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was like, at the end of this year-long journey, we're
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going to meet the goddess who called you here. And
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I was like, sweet. It's going to be Bridget. That's
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a Bridget's cross, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed that over you.
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Yeah.
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I was like, everyone loves Bridget.
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And so we've been there.
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And I don't. feeler and i was like martha stop
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trying to control this shit you know you can't yeah
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and so all of a sudden i heard this name
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five in my ear and i said oh no wait
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i think i know that name oh no and i
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started getting nervous and she's one third of the goddess
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morrigan or morrigan and so the goddess of death the
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prophecy of battle and fury you know war battle fury
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And five is the aspect of her who keens, who
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cries and grieves and mourns as these soldiers are going
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to battle. Or will the archetypal energy of the Banshee
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that comes from her will scream and wail at someone's
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house in the middle of the night to let people
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know someone's about to die. Which, by the way, is terrifying, right?
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You have this veiled woman in the middle. Of course
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people were scared of her. Of course being a keener
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became very fringe because you're of this other world connection
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and it's not one that people are super excited about.
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But sure enough, I did a nine-month deep dive in
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keening with my teacher. And that was it. I mean,
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this is where I am now. And so I'm writing
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a book about the death to rebirth process with Irish goddesses.
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And I do keening retreats. But everything all relates. My
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energy sessions are a bit of Reiki, a bit of Akashic,
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a bit of grief tending and wildness, that wild woman
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who came out of me. She knew I needed to
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get back to my roots as a keening woman, but
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I needed all of these other things, the breathwork, the energy,
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et cetera, to hold that. I needed that information to
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really understand what I was doing, how it was happening,
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and how it's supporting. So yeah, that's my origin story.
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No, that's a beautiful story.
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I have always felt a connection to that Celtic even
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though I have none in this lifetime, I'm Italian and
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the deep lineages and Sicilians and Italy and all that.
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But when I was in Ireland and England, I felt
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like I had been there before. So I'm assuming this
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is a past life experience because it felt very, I
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felt very connected to the land. And I drove through
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Ireland and I remember staying in a lot of places
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and You know, people telling us, of course, about the fairies,
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which happened to happen. I had three pairs of earrings
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taken that I've never had happen to me anywhere else
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except for Ireland.
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I've lost one. Because they were shiny.
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And then I remember someone mentioning.
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You may hear the keening.
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Because we were driving not in the, we weren't in
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the cities.
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We were in the countryside.
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We were in the farmlands and where the stones, there
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were all these stones everywhere. circles and all these places.
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So I remember thinking, oh my God, if I hear
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the woman, the banshee genie, I'm going to have a
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heart attack.
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Take all the earrings you want.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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But, but it fascinates me, the mythology, the lore, the
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ancestry there. So the fact that you found through your
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lineage that you have a connection and you're exploring it,
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I think is, really interesting. So, well, we have to
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now explain what is keening because people may not know
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what that means.
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a keener, so a bonkeensha, which means woman keener, farkeensha,
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which means male keener, because there were male keeners too,
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but the bonkeensha or the mana, the women keenshas, the
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keening women would be hired by a family after the
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loss of a loved one. And they would come to
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the wake, which would typically be a three day affair.
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And there's three of the women and they would cry
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and there'd be one lead woman and they would all
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be wearing black and the black lace veils or silk
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or whatever they could make, you know, linen. And so
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the veils they would wear and they would tear at
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their hair and they would scream and they would beat
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their hands against a table or a chair and they
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would wail and sing and sing beautiful songs and laments
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and also dirges and then talk. Oh, you know, Patrick,
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why'd you have to leave us? You know, you were
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a good father. And what they were doing, it was
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so performative, but it was purposeful. Because through their performance,
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they would evoke this deep grief that would otherwise just
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stagnate or maybe be buried under the distraction and productivity
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of life. And they unearthed it in those moments so
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that people could really cleanse and release their emotions. And
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then when they left, they were ready to move on
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and get back to living. And this is, you know,
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it's not, this yes is practice in Ireland and Scotland
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and to some degree, possibly also in Wales and Isle
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of Man, but we don't have records, at least not
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to my knowledge, not yet. But this is an ancient
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practice that was around the world. We see it in Egypt.
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it's amazing to, that this is such a deeply natural process.
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And it speaks to the fact that I don't have
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to explain the history to tell someone, do you know
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when you grieve so hard, like you just are crying,
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you feel such a hit in your heart that you
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lose connection to the moment and something in your bones
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just seeps out and it just pours out of, and
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you don't even know who you are when you're doing it.
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That's the key. So it's, it is, you know, when
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we think about it, it is overwhelming. It's not something
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people are like, yeah, sweet. I'm going to go lose
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myself to crying and screaming later. Like people aren't like
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jazz to do it.
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But it is absolutely transformative. And so the keen was
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largely suppressed and kind of eradicated, but then two women,
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one in Ireland named Mary McLaughlin and one in Scotland
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named Madge Bray started reviving the practice, studying the old
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folk songs and started writing books, speaking songs, And so
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they have taught students. And so I learned from my,
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my mentor and it's, but the way I learned is
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much more shamanic. And so rather than singing to evoke
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the grief for me, it's channeling. And then where, you know,
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where there's music, there's drumming, there's chanting. And I do
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sing and tone and do vocables, but I don't have
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songs because I'm not a formal seeker. And then it's
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a lot of movement, breath and permission and, because the
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truth is, is that we all have this inside of us,
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but we don't always feel safe to let it out.
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And we don't always know that we're able and allowed to.
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And so that permission piece is pretty, pretty impactful.
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Yeah, no, I mean, and I imagine it doesn't have
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to just be the deep grief of death, right?
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It could be any kind of deep grief.
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It could be going through a divorce or, you know,
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the ending of a friendship, a deep connection to you.
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So go ahead. What were you going to say?
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I mean, it could be grief. It could be rage.
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It could be some pleasure. I've definitely heard. And so
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I do retreats in person. I've done group keens virtually
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and in person as well as individual person in person
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and virtual. So it just depends on the person and
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what they need. But I've absolutely heard people having orgasms.
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Not because they're touching themselves, but because there was this
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sense of delight that was in their body that they
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couldn't experience in the moment they were in. And so
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it was repressed and suppressed. And so now that all
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of this stuff is coming out, that comes out too.
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And what's underneath all of that, underneath releasing all this
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pent up emotion that's been stuffed down into the recesses,
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I feel like I said that like an English lit professor,
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the recesses, the recesses of our body. Right. What's underneath
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that is our wildness, this true aspect of self that's
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like intuitive and connected to nature and to each other
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and divine and aware and remembering that we came here
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for a reason and we came here to live. And
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so it helped that wildness, that wild woman that was
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in me who was first angry and but then became
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who I am now. It's all about learning how to live.
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And it's, it's, that's one of the most beautiful things
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about the keen is it really helps that it's very empowering.
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It sounds it, it sounds like you're really helping people
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move that energy through their bodies to release it. Because
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I know just from, you know, losing people in my life,
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you know, there's an expectation, a societal expectation. You grieve, you,
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this amount, somebody dies, you grieve, you're allowed this amount.
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And like, we don't really want to see it. You know,
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you can cry the first few days, but after that,
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you know, here's your, we send a basket of, you know, fruit,
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you know, we come to the service and then people
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don't want to, you know, people remove themselves from you
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when you're grieving. That's a big, like, we're not taught
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how to handle the grieving process and we're not taught
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how to support other people who are grieving. So it
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sounds like healing can be a very healing practice.
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Absolutely. And I think it's beautiful when we remember that
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in these extremely vulnerable and tender moments that we are
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worthy of love. We were born worthy of love and
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we're willing, sorry, we're not, well, we are willing, but
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we are, we are capable and able to receive love.
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And sometimes that love is not through I'm so sorry.
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I'm so sorry this happened to you. Or it's going
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to be okay. No, it's just witnessing. Just witnessing someone
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as they are and saying, I see you and I
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hear you and I'm holding space with you. I'm right here.
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I'm not walking away. I'm holding your hand. What do
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you need right now? And it's like, I mean, that
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can be amazing. Yeah.
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No, you're right.
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And I want to ask you, what happens to us
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emotionally or even physically when grief is, you know, given
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a sound, we're allowed to express it instead of being
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holding it silently in our bodies.
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How does that manifest?
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Oh, okay. Well, um, in keening. So I've heard so many, okay.
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I'm sorry. I just got really excited.
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I love that because that is you're doing what you're
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supposed to do. That's how you know, when you get
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super excited about talking about your work, you're, you're where
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you're supposed to be.
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Oh, thank you.
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Yes.
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Oh, Thank you. I'll pay you later. No, I'm kidding.
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Sorry.
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So, right. So I have seen it in all sorts
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of different ways. So it can be for some women
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or men or individuals, non-binary people. For some people, it's
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silence and it's stillness because they constantly had to do,
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they had to go and fix and be ready and
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pull up your bootstraps. So for them, silence and stillness
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is revolutionary because For others, it is screaming words that
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were never heard, that were never able to be said
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or never received openly, or chants and statements. But a
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lot of the times, it is this crescendo of starting
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to moan and move and just kind of swaying and
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just like, you know, it could be as subtle as like, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh.
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And then it starts to move more and maybe they
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move or maybe they're not moving. But then it goes
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into this open mouth expression. And for some people, it's
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very audible. And for some people, it's a silent scream.
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I tend to go silent scream because I don't want
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to burn out my vocal cords because I do a
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lot of talking. But this act of opening the mouth
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and letting this energy out. And so what it looks like,
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it could look totally different each time. It totally depends
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on what your body is processing at that point. And
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so it, yeah, a lot of times as well, the
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beautiful thing about the somatic body is that as we
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are processing the energetics of perhaps a trauma or a
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repression or something that was conditioned in us, our body
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might somatically shake. And this is why the movement is
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so important, because if we stay still, our body's like, well,
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we don't feel safe. We're not able to move. Well,
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so the more that we move, the more likely we're
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able to kind of stretch or even shake out or
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just kind of, you know, push back and forth. And
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what we're doing is our body is softening the bones,
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the joints, I should say, the muscles and the fascia
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where the energy had been stored. And so a lot
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of times when people hold grief, grief is in the lungs.
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And so if we're constantly breathing in the upper chest,
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because that's what we do in a very hyper productive
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and hyper vigilant society, when we breathe down into the lungs,
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which is how we begin the keen and how we begin,
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you know, activating healing breath work. That's when we start
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to tap into that energy that's been stored in there.
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And so it's really quite beautiful. And so people will
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have different body aches, maybe, um, based on, you know,
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if you look at traditional Chinese medicine, like if there's
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a lot of rage, they may feel it underneath the
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right lung. And I'm like, okay, well, there's your liver,
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you know? And so it's, again, it's, this is kind
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of a non-answer, but there is no one way to
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do it. And that's something else I love about it
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is that there's no predicting, controlling, there's just allowing. And
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it's all beautiful.
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Now it's so fascinating.
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And now that we're realizing that our emotions store physically
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in our bodies, right? And we're getting more and more
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proof of this. One of the hardest times I ever
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grieved was when I was going through my divorce. I
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also was moving homes and I also lost the job
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I loved at the same time. It was a three
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or one hitter, right? So, and of course I went
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through the grief and the crying and everything, but years later,
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now I was no longer actively grieving that, but years
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later I gave up smoking and I used to love
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to smoke cigarettes. So I had an emotional attachment to
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it and I grieved it. I got double pneumonia. I
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got so sick. And I didn't know it at the time,
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but now I can see that all that stored grief
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from what had happened years before. And then the giving
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up of something that I'd done since I was a
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teenager that I loved. It was my, I mean, I
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really enjoyed it and I never.
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Had a problem. I was never sick. You know, I
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emotionally grieved it.
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It had to come out and I got very, very
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sick and it took a while to get that out
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of my body. Yeah.
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So it's fascinating.
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Yeah. It is.
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The body is so intelligent and we have these layers
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of intelligence, right? We have our, our physical somatic, you know,
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kind of animal instinct wisdom. And then we have our
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trauma responses, which, you know, are going to in our
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conditioned responses, which are learned within, within all of that
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deep within all that is that soul wisdom, that intuition.
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And it's like, all of that is felt to the body.
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All of that is felt through embodied senses. And so
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like when we, constantly live, I work with university students
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during the day and, and well, not every, well, yes,
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I do. And so when we live life behind screens,
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we are becoming disembodied because we're not thinking about how
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does my body feel in this space? How is my
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body reacting to another body, to a, to the confines
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of a hallway? I did it again, the confines of
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a hallway versus a large room. You know, we don't,
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we're not feeling as much. And so when we start
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to think about Well, how do I feel? How do
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I know my intuition? How do I hear it? Well,
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you have to feel it.
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Well, not everyone.
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Sometimes people hear it. Some people see it. Of course,
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we know these different psychic senses, but it is truly
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all embodied. We need to be connected to our body.
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And a lot of the times that relates to unearthing
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and releasing tenderness and grief, because like you said, those
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cigarettes were your best friend. You didn't say that. I
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said that for you.
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No, they were. I did say that.
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No, because they were with me when I would drink
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and party and have a good time. They were with
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me when I was stressed. They were with me with
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my coffee. They were in my car as I was
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listening to music.
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Yeah. That's it. They helped you through some really tough stuff.
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And then you had to say goodbye to them. And
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it's like, well, shit. Exactly. Exactly.
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Exactly.
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I was not expecting to get as sick as I was,
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but now looking back, I'm grateful for the experience because
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I released a lot.
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I released a lot.
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And on that note, let's take our break. And then
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when we come back, I have so many more questions
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for you.
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All right. Stay tuned and we'll be back in just
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a couple of minutes.
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who is a medicine woman, a healer, a shamanic energy.
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Coach, or Celtic.
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I don't even know like how you even describe yourself
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with everything that you do. And we've been talking about
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keening and you talk about how keening with the rewilding.
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So how is the rewilding work into that?
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So, and it's actually perfect because that's exactly what I
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was getting ready to talk about right before the break.
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So what happens is as we are releasing so much,
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whether it's grief, rage, fear, otherwise conditioning, you know, expectations
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of ourselves, as we release those things and they somatically
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and energetically leave the body, we open up space within
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ourselves for something new. And so that wisdom that comes
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from our soul self, that confidence and desire to be
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present and live that we feel as we're connected to earth,
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you know, that starts to fill in and backfill those spaces.
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And so our wildness is something that we're born with.
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It is this, it's not about being wild. Does it
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mean like, you know, drive through someone's front yard and
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be like, you know, I'll do what I want. Right.
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That was a terrible example, but nonetheless, it's not what
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wildness is. Wildness isn't about necessarily breaking convention, but it's
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about realizing convention is adopted. It's about living and navigating
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life with intuition at the forefront, with connection, divine connection,
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soul connection to soul family and people, as well as
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to the divine and the earth and the living nature.
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That's connection. So wildness is being the most you, authentic soul,
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physical combination you. And that becomes more possible as we
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make space for it to sit inside of us. I'll
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just say briefly as an example, I went through a
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massive cognitive behavioral shift where I was doing all this
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healing and over years it finally got to this point
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where In my heart space, my heart throne was my
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12 year old self, the first age where I experienced
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a trauma that made me afraid of the world. And
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she was wearing a pantsuit and had a briefcase and
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she's like, I'm going to be an adult now. And
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I looked at her, I was like, oh my gosh.
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And she's like, it's okay. We've done the work. I'm
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not sad. She was, but I'm ready to leave my job.
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I was like, yeah, no, of course. And so in
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that moment, she left and I had my somatic release.
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It was beautiful. And then I said, but what fills
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it now? And my inner elder came in and was like,
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move aside. I've got this. And so that's essentially this
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visual concept of what we're doing. We're taking the traumatized
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or the pained, the burdened self and making space for
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them to step away from that burdensome job or role
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that they've been doing and making space for an inner
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wiser elder version of ourselves to take space and say,
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we're going to do this together and you're held and
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loved and we can be wise together.
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That's really beautiful.
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I imagine this work would be very, very powerful for
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people who have deep traumas, especially from childhood, that they just,
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they've done the counseling, they've seen the doctors, they've taken
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the medications, they've done the talk therapy and all of that,
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but it's still there. It's still deep inside. I imagine
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that this work would be extremely healing to get that
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trauma up and released from the body.
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Absolutely. And I think there are some times where, you know,
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people come to me when, when they've tried other things
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and it doesn't always work. It doesn't mean they have
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to do that first.
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Right.
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But and so there may be times where we're just
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doing a standard energy session. Of course, I know I
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don't control what happens. But, um, within reason that, let
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me explain that differently. I don't get to decide what
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the person experiences, right? It's their body that's open. It's
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their soul and spirit's working through me. Um, but there
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will be times where people, you know, I'll be just,
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just so tenderly. So with, with permission, um, and consent,
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just gender, tender touch to the body and just channeling.
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And then I might start humming cause I'll feel the
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keen comes through me and I'll channel the keen. And
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then all of a sudden they just start weeping. And it's,
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you know, for some people, it's things they know. And
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they're like, I know exactly what this relates to. And
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other people, it's so repressed or it happened when they
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were drugged and they don't know. But yeah, this is
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a tremendous way to, it's like therapy on steroids. You know,
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you don't have to talk about it or know what's
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going to happen. You just have to be open. And
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it's quite a lot like a psychedelic healing experience, but
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without plant medicine.
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Without plant medicine. Now, do you see people one-on-one?
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How do you like to, I know you lead people
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through these journeys and you do talks and everything, but
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do you see a client on a one-on-one basis and
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work with them?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. So I can, I prefer to work with
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people for a period of time, whether it's three sessions
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or a year long, you know, depending on the person's
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lived experience and what they're trying to work through, it
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will dictate kind of the pattern that we meet. But
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I've met with people and had, amazing experiences virtually across
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the world, as well as in person. And some people
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who've done both in person and virtual, and they can
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attest to the fact that, yeah, the energy still works.
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Healing still works. I just miss that. I don't get
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my Martha hug at the end.
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Yeah.
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No, as somebody who has had sessions with other healers remotely,
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it definitely does still work. The energy travels. You don't
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have to be in the physical space. I was going
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to ask you if you saw people remotely because this
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is the world that we live in now, right? So
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there's people that can connect with you, who resonate with you,
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that can be living in another country and can work
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with you, which is really, really, I think that's the
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good thing. That's the great.
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Thing about the internet. It has some beautiful things.
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It has some not beautiful things, but it has some
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beautiful things. It reminds me of the rewilding reminds me
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of the woman who run with wolves book. The, that book,
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I read that book when I was at the lowest
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point in my life and it did, it shifted something
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inside of me, the stories, the connection about women and
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what we're supposed to quote unquote be and who we
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really are. And, you know, I mean, we call, we
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call earth mother nature. It has this feminine divine. We
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are wild and we, they have been trying to tame
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us forever. And I think people like you and People
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like me who have these conversations and just bring this together,
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there is a reason this is happening because.
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It is waking up. Don't you see that?
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I do. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And not to make it,
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you know, that book is seminal. And I recommend it
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to everyone.
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Me too.
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And I think you're right.
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There's something in the stories and her unpacking the stories
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that is medicine.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Um, and I love it. So yes. And, and I
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think what's beautiful is that we're seeing this, not just
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in women, of course, it's a large majority, but we're
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also still seeing it in men. You know, I know
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the manosphere is taking over the internet, but there's also
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a whole opposition to that in the sense that there
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are a lot of men out there who are really
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tapping into their feminine energy. And it's not about gender, right?
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Because we have women who have, we were both and
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non-binary people still have these energies in them, call them
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yin and yang, moon and sun, whatever you want. But
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We all have it. But ultimately what we're saying here
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is that we are tapping into the reality that this
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whole time, no matter what blinders or perceptions, spirit has
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been around us, has been through us, and has been
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living with us. And so when we start to open
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up to that yin, that moon, that feminine, we start
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to feel that connection. And that's what I mean when
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we're talking about about feeling connected with nature.
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Yes.
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Go on a hike. Absolutely. Sit by the river and
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pray if you want, but also let the tree speak
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to you, ask the Hawk what it sees, you know, and,
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and listen, it's, it's amazing. And so I'm absolutely seeing
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this and I'm seeing a lot of people waking up
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And the Internet is kind of a kind of a
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wild crap shoot. You don't know who or what you're
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going to get.
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It's the wild, wild west right now. It hasn't figured
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itself out yet.
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But for those who are newly awakening or, you know,
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I don't know if I love that term, but are
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newly intrigued by something that their soul has been calling for. Right.
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I ask them to practice discernment to the best of
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their ability to find out what's best for them. And
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it may not be what's right in the big picture world.
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You may work with a teacher who has 10 social
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media followers, but they're exactly who you're supposed to work with.
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Exactly.
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00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.679
Yeah. Because there's soul resonance, you know, and there's something
723
00:39:02.739 --> 00:39:04.500
in them that's going to wake you up. And there's
724
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.380
something in you that's going to wake them up in
725
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:09.280
a new way. You know, I learned from my clients
726
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.809
just as much as they learned from me.
727
00:39:11.250 --> 00:39:11.909
It's amazing.
728
00:39:11.969 --> 00:39:12.889
It's reciprocity.
729
00:39:13.460 --> 00:39:17.000
Well, we're all connected, right? We're all connected on some level.
730
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.780
So we need each other as much as we don't
731
00:39:20.980 --> 00:39:23.409
like to admit. We do need each other for the
732
00:39:23.469 --> 00:39:26.869
progress and the strength of humanity in the world, right?
733
00:39:26.929 --> 00:39:29.510
So we have to collectively work together. And I think
734
00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:32.989
we need to what I love about what the keening
735
00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:37.949
does is the holding of the space for somebody else.
736
00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:43.679
And I am a symbolism person, right? So like the
737
00:39:44.289 --> 00:39:46.429
Talking to you and reading about you, that was the
738
00:39:46.469 --> 00:39:47.530
book I thought of, right?
739
00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:49.610
Just the women who run with wolves.
740
00:39:49.769 --> 00:39:53.070
And I happen to be re-watching Call the Midwives right
741
00:39:53.110 --> 00:39:57.909
now on Netflix. And about the work that they did
742
00:39:57.929 --> 00:40:02.360
at the time. And watching, it's so beautifully done. Because
743
00:40:03.070 --> 00:40:06.280
they are holding the space for those women. And when
744
00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:09.619
you were doing the somatic, the moving, and the moving
745
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:10.219
and the energy.
746
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:11.639
I was imagining.
747
00:40:12.329 --> 00:40:15.769
the birthing scenes that I've been watching happen as I'm watching,
748
00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:19.449
rewatching this show and them holding the space.
749
00:40:19.530 --> 00:40:21.389
And some of these women literally.
750
00:40:21.139 --> 00:40:25.340
Keening as they're birthing, or if they're losing their babies
751
00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:29.659
and these women and these sisters who are holding the
752
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.519
space for them, I'm like, yeah, that we need to
753
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.380
bring that back. We need to bring that needs to
754
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:40.199
come back because it's, It is so powerful for anybody.
755
00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.260
Just, I highly recommend watching it. Yeah. So just, so
756
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:44.559
I look at the symbolism.
757
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:44.940
Okay.
758
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:45.619
I just so.
759
00:40:45.500 --> 00:40:48.219
Happen that I'm watching that and then she's on my
760
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:52.250
show and you know, and you're talking about talking to
761
00:40:52.289 --> 00:40:55.309
the trees and, and I have animal Oracle decks and
762
00:40:55.349 --> 00:40:57.349
I always pull a card. Cause I'm always like, what
763
00:40:57.409 --> 00:41:00.030
is that animal here to teach me? What is this message?
764
00:41:00.190 --> 00:41:01.250
So I love that.
765
00:41:02.300 --> 00:41:04.860
Yeah. Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, I agree. There's something
766
00:41:04.940 --> 00:41:09.880
very powerful in being willing to become vulnerable to be
767
00:41:09.940 --> 00:41:13.050
seen and also to be seen. You know, I think
768
00:41:13.070 --> 00:41:15.670
a lot in our modern world, we are more than
769
00:41:15.710 --> 00:41:17.650
capable of putting on a bit of a mask and
770
00:41:17.710 --> 00:41:21.010
being vulnerable on a screen, but we're not seeing people
771
00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:26.269
receive us. And so being, being open to seeing someone
772
00:41:26.329 --> 00:41:28.050
just sit there with you and saying, I see you
773
00:41:28.110 --> 00:41:32.309
and I accept you as it's, it's profound. It's really beautiful. Yeah.
774
00:41:33.070 --> 00:41:35.469
Now, when you work with people, do you ever work
775
00:41:35.530 --> 00:41:39.900
in small, intimate groups in person? And people will be
776
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.719
having experiences and other people in the group kind of
777
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.159
help hold them up and hold the space for them?
778
00:41:46.179 --> 00:41:52.530
Yes. So when I do in-person retreats, especially with the women,
779
00:41:52.710 --> 00:41:55.130
groups of women I've worked with, a lot of the
780
00:41:55.170 --> 00:41:57.030
times they don't know each other. There may be someone
781
00:41:57.050 --> 00:41:58.710
who knows each other. But here's the thing. This was
782
00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:02.059
something that's really magical about the Keen group. Is that
783
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:05.500
when we begin, I give this whole explanation of like,
784
00:42:05.619 --> 00:42:08.460
what is this? What are we doing? Why is this revolutionary?
785
00:42:09.050 --> 00:42:12.730
How is this going to work? And then here is
786
00:42:12.769 --> 00:42:15.690
your veil. And our black veil that I give to
787
00:42:15.789 --> 00:42:20.469
every individual person is to say, when we put this on,
788
00:42:21.250 --> 00:42:24.260
we go from being an individual with an individual life
789
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.360
and individual problems to being a collective individual. That yes,
790
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.119
we still have the stuff in our body and that's
791
00:42:30.139 --> 00:42:34.070
what we're focusing on. Absolutely. And also as we work
792
00:42:34.130 --> 00:42:37.869
on our stuff energetically through our sacred sisterhood that exists
793
00:42:38.010 --> 00:42:41.750
all around this world or our sacred brotherhood or personhood,
794
00:42:41.769 --> 00:42:44.670
depending on the group, right? But as we put this on,
795
00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:49.469
we feel our stuff and someone energetically around the world
796
00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:53.320
is receiving a healing because they are connected to that
797
00:42:53.449 --> 00:42:58.329
form of grief, that frequency of pain or rage. And
798
00:42:58.409 --> 00:43:01.039
not only that, but it's really the women in the room.
799
00:43:02.059 --> 00:43:04.400
And so as we put the veil on, we go
800
00:43:04.460 --> 00:43:07.940
from being individuals to being sisters. And so as the
801
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.989
keen works through me, five is who channels through me.
802
00:43:11.130 --> 00:43:13.570
And so as I'm drumming and I'm singing and I mean,
803
00:43:14.369 --> 00:43:16.289
my eyes are closed a lot because I'm trying to
804
00:43:16.329 --> 00:43:19.960
stay focused, but, you know, letting her through and she'll
805
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:23.289
be like, move that one and bring her here. And
806
00:43:23.329 --> 00:43:25.329
so I will pick someone up and I let them
807
00:43:25.349 --> 00:43:27.010
know in advance, like, I'm going to be moving you.
808
00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:28.880
It's not me and I apologize in advance if I
809
00:43:28.909 --> 00:43:30.980
drive you nuts, but it's five and she's doing it
810
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.559
to push you forward in the discomfort to let it out.
811
00:43:35.179 --> 00:43:36.699
So I will move. And so a lot of times
812
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.639
we'll have two, maybe even three women and they're holding
813
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:44.059
each other's hands. They're rocking together. One time, oh, I
814
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.380
had this beautiful woman who was so strong. I mean, 60s.
815
00:43:49.329 --> 00:43:52.710
decades of tending, had multiple siblings, took care of them,
816
00:43:52.750 --> 00:43:55.030
had multiple children, took care of them, takes care of
817
00:43:55.050 --> 00:43:58.889
her husband, takes care of everyone, never complains. And finally,
818
00:43:58.909 --> 00:44:00.550
towards the end of the Keene Bible, it was like
819
00:44:00.929 --> 00:44:04.150
her turn. And I was like, whoa. And she was like, everybody.
820
00:44:04.190 --> 00:44:07.170
And she took seven or eight other women holding her,
821
00:44:07.530 --> 00:44:10.469
whether it was holding her or a hand on her ankle.
822
00:44:10.929 --> 00:44:13.460
And we were all swaying and I was chanting and
823
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.000
I was encouraging her like, breathe, make a sound, make
824
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.829
a sound. And So she was like, I am making
825
00:44:18.889 --> 00:44:21.530
a sound. I said, no, make a sound. And she,
826
00:44:21.550 --> 00:44:24.110
this is five, right? Five doesn't take any prisoners. She
827
00:44:24.150 --> 00:44:24.949
didn't give a shit. Right.
828
00:44:25.030 --> 00:44:28.519
I'm sorry. No, that's okay. You're allowed. I curse a lot.
829
00:44:28.539 --> 00:44:29.469
So don't worry about it.
830
00:44:30.739 --> 00:44:32.800
She was like, I am making a sound. I said,
831
00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:36.940
make a sound. And everyone was like, why? And I
832
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.619
started crying.
833
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:40.349
She just started.
834
00:44:42.070 --> 00:44:45.349
And the coolest thing happened, Melissa, right after she let
835
00:44:45.369 --> 00:44:49.000
it all out. boom, boom, boom, boom, thunder. There was
836
00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:51.539
no storm, no storm.
837
00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:57.059
I just got goosebumps. It was nuts. It was nuts.
838
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.280
And I'm completely addicted to this now.
839
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:03.070
No, it's beautiful.
840
00:45:03.139 --> 00:45:05.690
And I think on some level it's easier to do
841
00:45:05.769 --> 00:45:09.329
with strangers than people, you know, because people, you know,
842
00:45:09.369 --> 00:45:11.940
you feel like will judge you. You'll have to have
843
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.260
conversations later. Like I didn't know that, you know what
844
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.989
I mean? And, but with people you, you don't know,
845
00:45:18.050 --> 00:45:19.869
you sort of, there's almost like you allow them more
846
00:45:19.949 --> 00:45:22.530
grace to just be who they are without putting any
847
00:45:22.630 --> 00:45:25.750
judgment on it. So I would prefer to be in
848
00:45:25.789 --> 00:45:28.389
a group without people that I know very well.
849
00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:31.090
And you know, and what's so fun is like afterwards.
850
00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:33.030
So there's some quiet time after and we eat and
851
00:45:33.070 --> 00:45:34.590
I say, look, you don't have to talk. You can
852
00:45:34.610 --> 00:45:37.360
just be here. But after, you know, as we're eating
853
00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:41.030
because food is necessary afterwards. People at some point, this
854
00:45:41.070 --> 00:45:45.739
happens every retreat. At one point, someone says, that was nuts.
855
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:48.059
That was bonkers.
856
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.599
And everyone is laughing.
857
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.099
And then what were you? I think I was holding
858
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.800
one of you at some point. And then they all
859
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:56.820
start piecing together their experience. And it's really cute. And
860
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.650
then so it's like the opposite happens. They come in strangers.
861
00:45:59.750 --> 00:46:01.909
And at the end of the night, they're already so
862
00:46:01.989 --> 00:46:04.210
close because they've shared something deeply intimate.
863
00:46:05.309 --> 00:46:10.159
And it sounds like collectively they're clearing things. heavy energy
864
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.090
from the planet, right? Like if we're all connected, then
865
00:46:14.250 --> 00:46:17.789
all energy, we're tapped into the energy of everything, right?
866
00:46:17.849 --> 00:46:20.809
So when you're having these events and you're doing this
867
00:46:20.869 --> 00:46:25.269
kind of work, they're collectively clearing that energy off of
868
00:46:25.329 --> 00:46:26.369
the earth plane.
869
00:46:26.409 --> 00:46:27.710
And that's very powerful.
870
00:46:27.809 --> 00:46:30.739
Like if you think about it from that perspective, which
871
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.300
is beautiful. So what I wanted to ask, because I
872
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.840
can't even believe I could talk to you for like
873
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:41.070
two hours. If you're holding ancestral patterns, like let's say
874
00:46:41.570 --> 00:46:43.969
you've had a pretty good life and you're like, I
875
00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:46.849
don't have traumas. I was raised, I was fed well,
876
00:46:46.929 --> 00:46:50.920
I was loved well, I never lost anybody, but I
877
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.039
have this pain or this sadness or something. And I,
878
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.619
it could be an ancestral pattern that I'm holding. How
879
00:46:58.659 --> 00:47:01.900
do we, how could that be? This ritual help us
880
00:47:01.940 --> 00:47:02.340
with that.
881
00:47:03.409 --> 00:47:06.590
Oh, absolutely. So what's beautiful about this is because the
882
00:47:06.670 --> 00:47:10.570
energetics of the keen, it is an ancestral tradition. And
883
00:47:10.690 --> 00:47:14.280
so just inherently, you know, it depends on the individual,
884
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:19.119
but inherently there's going to be some aspect of spiritual support.
885
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.900
So whether it's an angel or a soul contract of an,
886
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.269
you know, that relationship, like a guide. your well and
887
00:47:27.289 --> 00:47:30.449
spirit ancestors absolutely there. You just have to ask right
888
00:47:30.530 --> 00:47:32.150
for them to be there. Like, Hey, if you want
889
00:47:32.170 --> 00:47:34.730
to show up, that'd be cool. But what's nice about
890
00:47:34.750 --> 00:47:37.969
it is that, you know, the, the intention is to
891
00:47:38.050 --> 00:47:41.610
heal the body and the energetics. And so as we
892
00:47:41.670 --> 00:47:45.369
move into that intention, the very thing that we may
893
00:47:45.449 --> 00:47:48.989
be wanting to work on that is ancestral will naturally
894
00:47:49.050 --> 00:47:51.260
come up and we may witness a story that's not
895
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.800
ours because I remember many times, many keen I did
896
00:47:55.820 --> 00:47:59.769
in my first year in my apprenticeship. She, I was
897
00:47:59.829 --> 00:48:01.869
tasked with the challenge of keen for the men in
898
00:48:01.909 --> 00:48:03.949
your life. And I was like, but what do you mean?
899
00:48:03.989 --> 00:48:05.869
And she was like, just take it for what it is.
900
00:48:05.909 --> 00:48:07.210
Like whatever it means to you is what it means
901
00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:09.389
to you. And I was like, okay. And so I
902
00:48:09.409 --> 00:48:11.530
got into, you know, I was moving, I was journeying.
903
00:48:11.590 --> 00:48:13.239
I was, you know, starting to kind of get in
904
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.000
the right vibe of it. And the men of my
905
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.750
life who showed up were generations, 15, 20, 50 generations ago. Wow.
906
00:48:21.769 --> 00:48:24.630
And it was the men who were forced to leave
907
00:48:24.670 --> 00:48:27.489
their family to fight a war that they didn't want
908
00:48:27.530 --> 00:48:29.909
to fight. They just wanted to live. They wanted to
909
00:48:29.969 --> 00:48:32.090
till the land. They wanted to tend to their family
910
00:48:32.150 --> 00:48:33.820
and they wanted to love and be loved.
911
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:34.469
Yeah.
912
00:48:34.510 --> 00:48:37.039
But then they were forced to fight by on pain
913
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.260
of death. Right. So either they die at war or
914
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:41.199
they die in front of their family because they won't fight.
915
00:48:42.179 --> 00:48:44.800
And they were like, I don't I'm not this person.
916
00:48:44.860 --> 00:48:48.400
And so that that was heavy. That was heavy. And
917
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:52.980
it felt so related to. to my people pleasing that
918
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.139
I had as a wounded healer. This idea that like, well,
919
00:48:56.860 --> 00:48:59.000
I just want to make sure people like me. So
920
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.260
that was a huge part of that. And it made sense.
921
00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:06.909
Of course, you have to make people happy. Otherwise, pain
922
00:49:06.929 --> 00:49:10.570
of death, right? And so I think it can totally work.
923
00:49:11.090 --> 00:49:13.030
And the nice thing about my shamanic practice is that
924
00:49:13.090 --> 00:49:15.070
I can be in the right vibe. And so as
925
00:49:15.510 --> 00:49:18.070
the intention is made, if the individual feels like they're
926
00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:21.260
kind of not... you know, ready for this kind of work,
927
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:22.960
I don't know how to do it. I don't ever
928
00:49:23.019 --> 00:49:25.500
feel anything when I'm doing meditation work or journey work.
929
00:49:26.139 --> 00:49:28.300
That's why I'm here because I can see and hear
930
00:49:28.340 --> 00:49:31.030
and feel the things that spirit and your ancestors are sharing,
931
00:49:31.070 --> 00:49:33.289
sharing with me and, and your guides. And I can
932
00:49:33.329 --> 00:49:36.909
help guide you to those things, which is really quite lovely.
933
00:49:36.929 --> 00:49:37.010
Yeah.
934
00:49:37.579 --> 00:49:40.389
Yeah, it is. I would say like for those who
935
00:49:40.590 --> 00:49:43.190
maybe don't know what they would need to keen, we
936
00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:45.730
can always keen for the land exactly like you said earlier,
937
00:49:45.809 --> 00:49:48.150
because there's so much in the land that needs to
938
00:49:48.210 --> 00:49:50.550
be released. So we can keen for the land too.
939
00:49:51.010 --> 00:49:51.409
Yeah.
940
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:54.320
And I'm glad that you said that more men are
941
00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:56.920
coming to you too. That makes me happy that men
942
00:49:56.980 --> 00:50:02.099
are wanting to tap into their own traumas about around
943
00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:06.050
what masculinity is supposed to look like and dominance for
944
00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:09.139
them and you know, and how they've cut the feminine
945
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.800
sides of themselves off because society, you know, calls you
946
00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:17.440
names and, you know, men don't cry, you know, boys
947
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.139
don't cry. And that's a terrible thing that we've done
948
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.690
to young men who grow up to.
949
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.570
Be grown men, right?
950
00:50:24.909 --> 00:50:29.170
Because it manifests as rage and it manifests as pain
951
00:50:29.309 --> 00:50:29.849
and then.
952
00:50:30.190 --> 00:50:33.210
Hurt people hurt people. So that's- That's right. Mm-hmm.
953
00:50:33.619 --> 00:50:33.900
Yeah.
954
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.559
So I love that men are actually doing that because yeah,
955
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.820
you watch certain things that you watch, you don't even
956
00:50:39.860 --> 00:50:41.119
have to watch anything on the internet.
957
00:50:41.139 --> 00:50:42.820
You just got to hover for a half of a
958
00:50:42.909 --> 00:50:45.329
second and the algorithm catches you. And then that's all
959
00:50:45.349 --> 00:50:47.650
you see. And you're like, no, no, no. And then
960
00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:51.130
I'll put in funny animal videos, funny animal videos. And
961
00:50:51.170 --> 00:50:52.050
I get that all going.
962
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Yeah. You know, I think my number one challenge for
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men when they first start working for me, for me,
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with me, Is I say, you know.
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It's easy.
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It's easy and almost borderline lazy to rely on rage.
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Rage is so socially acceptable. It is social clout and
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it is what gets people to respect me and listen
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to me. What's underneath that rage? Because very likely is
970
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a little boy who's being yelled at by his dad
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because he didn't play baseball, because he didn't get an
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A on his test, because he cried when something broke.
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Because he wanted a puppy, but his dad said he
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doesn't deserve it. Or you know what I mean? Yeah.
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It's these little boys that just didn't cry. It's epic.
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It's epic. As soon as you let them, give them
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that permission and hold space for them. It's pretty beautiful
978
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to see that unfolding. Sometimes it takes multiple sessions.
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Of course.
980
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Of course. It's possible.
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There's, you know, we are complex, you know, and then
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if we're connected to the ancestors, you know, there's a
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lot of complexity there. It's not, it's not a one,
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you know, take a pill and I'm all of a
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00:51:59.230 --> 00:52:01.570
sudden a different person. We don't, that's not the way
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it works.
987
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Right. Right.
988
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You got to be willing to do the deep work.
989
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Yeah.
990
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You got to be willing to do the work.
991
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Yeah. And usually what happens is, is the pain becomes
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so great that that spirit, pushing it. You don't have
993
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to wait for you to be in that much pain
994
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to do the work. You can do it while you're
995
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in a really happy, good place. So you don't have
996
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to be in that much pain, but usually we don't,
997
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we wait until we're in so much pain. We're on
998
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.469
our knees going, God help me. And then God helps you.
999
00:52:34.570 --> 00:52:38.389
Something shows up and you go, let me look at this.
1000
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Yeah, exactly.
1001
00:52:40.150 --> 00:52:43.010
The phone will keep ringing. You just, and the thing
1002
00:52:43.070 --> 00:52:45.530
is the message just gets louder. So it'll start with
1003
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an intuition and then it starts with an intuitive nudge
1004
00:52:47.949 --> 00:52:50.000
and someone yelling at you. And then there's someone yelling
1005
00:52:50.059 --> 00:52:51.659
at you in a car crashes, you know what I mean?
1006
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And then it's like, now then you're in the car
1007
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and I don't mean to be making a joke, but
1008
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quite often spirit will, like you said, they'll shut you
1009
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down and put you in a bed if you won't listen.
1010
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.099
And they'll be like, you're going to listen.
1011
00:53:02.539 --> 00:53:03.420
You're going to listen.
1012
00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:03.619
Yeah.
1013
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:03.719
Yeah.
1014
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:04.559
Right.
1015
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:07.340
I'm here to help you, but you're so stubborn. You
1016
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won't listen. Totally.
1017
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So for anybody who is just listening right now, what
1018
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can they gently do to help them with their grief?
1019
00:53:22.130 --> 00:53:25.010
And like, what's a gentle step somebody could take if
1020
00:53:25.030 --> 00:53:26.769
they're going through deep grief at the moment?
1021
00:53:26.789 --> 00:53:29.190
That's a great question.
1022
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Um, Hmm.
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Remember that grief and grieving is a process because it
1024
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is not, like you said, it's not a one-time thing
1025
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and then we move on. It's a process. And as
1026
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you feel it, you will discover more about yourself. And
1027
00:53:48.269 --> 00:53:51.929
that is also part of the process. And that it's
1028
00:53:52.110 --> 00:53:55.280
okay at a time of grief to not actually feel sad.
1029
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It's okay at a time when you're grieving to have
1030
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days where you feel joy or just feel stable. That's also...
1031
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totally normal. And that grief is going to look very
1032
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different for some people than it will for you. And
1033
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so to remember not to try and meet other people's
1034
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expectations for your grief process, because that is just going
1035
00:54:15.590 --> 00:54:18.750
to confuse yourself. And this is about really listening and
1036
00:54:18.789 --> 00:54:22.989
making space for what you need. That's really beautiful.
1037
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.920
Yeah, and you are allowed to see, even if you're grieving,
1038
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:30.300
you're allowed to have moments of joy and express that.
1039
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Because the person that you lost, say, in death, wouldn't
1040
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want you to stop experiencing joy, right?
1041
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We have to remember that, you know?
1042
00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:45.389
Like, I know there's a guilt, especially, you know, with
1043
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parents who lose their children. I'm speaking, you know, my mom,
1044
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because I lost my sister. four years ago. And I
1045
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.179
remember at first, like she didn't want to laugh again
1046
00:54:55.300 --> 00:54:58.400
because she felt guilty. And I'm like, Tony, my sister
1047
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with special needs, was the happiest, most loving person you
1048
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would ever met. If anybody wants you to be happy
1049
00:55:04.369 --> 00:55:07.170
and loving and being in joy, it's my sister.
1050
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And she knows that, right? I'm like, so mom. it's okay.
1051
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She would want you to, that doesn't mean you love
1052
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her any less or you don't miss her. Right.
1053
00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:18.599
So I think people forget that.
1054
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Yeah.
1055
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Yeah.
1056
00:55:20.289 --> 00:55:23.530
So it's been so wonderful talking with you today. Oh
1057
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my God. I just, we could talk forever.
1058
00:55:25.889 --> 00:55:28.769
So Martha can tell people how to find you, how
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to connect with you and how to reach you.
1060
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:31.179
Yeah.
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So my website is Very easy. Go to that one. Martha, mw.com.
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I'm a little, I type a little too many words.
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So if you're overwhelmed by it, just go to the
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contact page and just send me a message. Um, that
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will email me and then I'll email you back. I
1066
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can also connect with people on WhatsApp. Um, and on Instagram,
1067
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I'm Martha medicine woman, all spelled out and you can
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reach me on there with a DM and, but yeah,
1069
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my website, join my mailing list. I'll have a book
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coming out next year. I'm going to be teaching breath
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work soon in November. So every November.
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Yeah.
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Please reach out to me.
1074
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Thank you so much. Thank you, Martha. What a great conversation.
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I really appreciate it. All right, everybody.
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Thanks for listening to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa,
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creating the life you crave and wishing everyone a wonderful
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week filled with joy, abundance, and love.
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Peace.
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Bye-bye, everybody.