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This has been a week that saw me seemingly doing
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very little, and being embarrassed by that very
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fact. However, when I look back and see a lot
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of time spent editing, preparing guests for the
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future, making new connections, working on the
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website, working on the newsletter, working on
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the Patreon page, and more things, I think to
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myself, I have done a lot of work after all.
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I'm Martin Quibell, known to my friends as Marv,
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and this is Pods Like Us Chronicles. Sunday the
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14th saw me listening to songs in preparation
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for recording an episode of When There Was Fab
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with Ed Chen and starting a clean -up campaign
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on the laptop that's used to record the shows
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with. The laptop was incredibly full, just like
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the Griswold's Christmas tree was full of sap.
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Not only that, but there were quite a few of
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those small USB stick drives, just like the ones
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I'm holding on the camera for the video that
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people listening to it cannot see, that had data
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on, all of which needed consolidating. On Sunday,
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a relatively small three terabyte external hard
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drive showed up. But with my regular lazy Sunday
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self, I left that until Monday and just researched
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for the show that was being recorded later on
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that night. Here is a clip from a future episode
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with Phil Better, the podcast. mogul you know
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new podcasters shouldn't be worried about the
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technology and you know if you don't if you're
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not comfortable with doing video it's still that
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most people still listen to podcast even if it's
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on youtube they will have it on in pot on in
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the on in the background and continue what they're
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doing but not watch the video that's that's a
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stat that that is true yeah it's it's it's i'm
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glad you brought that up it's something that
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Being in the podcasting world, both on the independent,
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because I've been independent working for myself,
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but also working for agencies. Yeah. And it's
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something that is constantly pushed by clients
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because there is that push for it. You know,
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you have Apple now doing the HGTL or whatever
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it's called. Yeah, there you go, the HLS. Then
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you got Spotify just before pushing their own,
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you know. a closed off garden for video and you
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have YouTube, obviously the largest video producer
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in the world right now, or a consumer of videos,
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pushing this idea that you need to have video
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for your podcast. Now I, I started podcasting
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back in 2014 when video wasn't even like Apple
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allowed video, but they didn't really tell you
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how to get Apple video on it back in those days.
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And it was just pure audio. For me, a podcast
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is pure audio. If you don't have an RSS feed,
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you don't have a podcast. You have a TV show,
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a public access show, if you will. That's what
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you have. If you're only uploading to YouTube,
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you just have a TV show. Because for me, YouTube
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is now the new TV. After joining RSS, I was able
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to find reviews from across the world. When I
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did that, I saw a five -star review. from Anastasia
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Lipke from the US that was left on the 1st of
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June this year. Wow, fresh. In the review, Anastasia
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wrote, Great show for anyone in the podcasting
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space. I really love learning from some of the
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great guests that Marv has had on his show. The
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podcasting space is ever -changing, so being
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able to hear from experts in the industry can
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really help me to keep up to date. I highly recommend
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this pod. Well, thank you Anastasia for that
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five -star review. That is most kind. This is
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also the first time that I came across a three
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-star review from the 7th of May 2021 that was
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written by someone who called themselves General
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Public Podcast Randomness. Their review was short
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and to the point, where it said, very confusing,
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lol. Well, that was a little over six months
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into my podcasting journey, and I hope that it
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is less confusing now, more than five years later.
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Nevertheless, thank you to both of you. Reviews
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are great, as are ratings, and I am happy to
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receive any rating in any review, because I will
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take the advice, if there is any, on board. On
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Monday, I moved on with the data consolidation,
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plugging in my 4 -way USB 2 .0. adapter into
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the usb 3 .0 socket of the laptop allowing for
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the three terabyte hard drive and three usb memory
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sticks to be plugged in over the three days from
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monday to wednesday i moved everything from the
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sticks to the new hard drive and transferred
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the data from the laptop to the hard drive as
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well I'm still at a loss as to how there is still
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over 100 gigabytes of use space on the laptop's
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internal hard drive after clearing it of all
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of the videos, all of the music, all of the podcast
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work, all of the documents, and all of the photographs
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that were on there. It doesn't make any sense,
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really. Also during the day, I listened to some
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podcasts, which included an episode of Soda Jerker
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on songwriting, where Bri and Si had a fantastic
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discussion with Sean Ono Lennon about his
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songwriting and music. Now, Sean, as part of
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The Lennon -Claypool Delirium, with his musical
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partner Les Claypool, famous for being in Primus,
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have just recently come out with a new album.
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And I cannot remember for the life of me, because
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I haven't written it in the script over there
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that I'm pointing at that you can't see on audio.
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I haven't written that in there. But something
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about the great parrot ox. But that was the reason
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why he was on there, was to promote that, really.
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But anyway, going back to the script. Sean apparently
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is not a fan of his first solo album, Into the
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Sun. I, however, like a lot of the music on there.
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I was and still am a fan of the band Cibo Matto,
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who incidentally I discovered through a Buffy
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the Vampire Slayer the series. But yes, Cibo Matto,
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of whom Sean was a member, and his first album
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did actually feature the other members of the
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band on there, backing him up. Another podcast
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I listened to was Song Exploder, where they spoke
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with Sir Paul McCartney about the song Ripples
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in a Pond, or Ripples on a Pond, I don't remember
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that either, what the title is, which is from
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his recently released album, The Boys of Dungeon
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Lane. Apparently, the song dates back to more
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than 10 years ago, with the first official studio
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recording being in 2015. There have been two
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albums, I believe, since then that have been
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released, and that was mentioned by the interviewer.
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Again, that was an interesting episode, and it
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was nice to hear a deep dive for almost 20 minutes
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about one McCartney song. Boy, would I love a
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series where they go in -depth for around half
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an hour on individual songs. by Macca, particularly
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the big songs and maybe some, you know, the deep
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cuts as well. Anyway, I've gone off script again.
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On Monday night, there was more recording for
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When There Was Fab, where we discussed the two
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podcast episodes that I've just mentioned now.
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Here is a clip. from a future episode with Rod
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Gordon about his podcast, This Must Be Talking
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Heads. But you're not giving a critique of it.
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You're giving people the information that's there.
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And that gets even more interesting when you
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get to remain in light and it's not just you
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that's talking about the albums and songs. No,
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I got really lucky. Because obviously, too, you
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know, my podcast output lately has not been super
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great. And I've got a new podcast episode coming
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soon, but I think it's been nearly nine months
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since my last one. So I'm deeply ashamed of that.
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But when I started, I was putting out one episode
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every month or something like that. And, you
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know, so I'd only put out a couple, you know,
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like an introductory one, 77, more songs, more
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music. So I was still a bit green and still my
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Instagram account was still sort of growing,
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didn't have much of a following. But I think
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I had done just enough to prove that I wasn't
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there to placate egos. I wasn't there to be a
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lover or a hater. I was trying to just be a fan
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and share everything I'd found. And at the same
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time, the drummer Chris Franz had written a book.
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Apparently it had taken him many, many years.
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And he was sort of starting to promote it. The
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release actually got delayed a little bit because
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of the pandemic and the idea that he couldn't
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go out to a bookstore to do a signing and all
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that kind of stuff that was all just not feasible
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anymore. Obviously, the world sort of found a
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way to move on and eventually his book did come
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out. But he was sort of going on podcasts and
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giving little press interviews here and there.
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And I just noticed that he also seemed to run
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his own Instagram account. Like he didn't have
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a... PR manager or whatever, for want of a better
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word. It seemed to be him. Like the comments
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and the posts and the photos, it seemed to genuinely
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just be an account that he ran. So I took a chance,
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messaged him and said, look, you know, if you
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ever have any time, I'd love to talk to you.
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And I'm also planning to do a podcast, not just
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about Talking Heads, but about Tom Tom Club and
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your other work. So I'm genuinely really, really
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interested in just getting your story about a
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few things. He was very, very generous and he
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sort of... You know, he did have a publicity
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agent or a person that he was working with to
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book things, but he just said to me, look, I'll
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just do it. Yes. So, you know, here's my Skype.
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Just let's set up a time and do it. So I was
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very, very grateful. Really obvious, the thrill
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of a lifetime, obviously. And so not only was
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I already up to Remain in Light, which was also
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a nice little bonus to get him on that episode,
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because I knew that that episode would be one
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that people checking out a Talking Heads podcast
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might jump to just the one about their favorite
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album. And if they like it, they might listen
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to others, right? So I got very, very lucky with
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that. Got to talk to Chris and basically I speedrun
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with him through that album, but then I also
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banked a whole bunch of questions about all the
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Tom Tom Club albums, which I got good mileage
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out of all of that gear as well. And then the
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funny thing happened was also there was another
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podcast that was being done by... I don't know
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if you know the TV show Severance, but the star
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Adam Scott, obviously he's a big star now, but
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he was doing, with another comedian, was doing
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a funny muck around podcast about talking heads
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at the same time. So I kind of, as a joke, said
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to this guy who ran this blog, hey, it's funny
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how there's two talking heads podcasts now, my
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stupid independent one, but also that other big
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one. And he wrote a blog post about it. And then
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the comedian who has a million followers or something
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was like, I'm going to destroy that other talking
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heads podcast. So I can't recommend enough, if
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you run a podcast, getting someone with a million
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followers to post a link to a blog about your
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own podcast because, I mean, I can remember the
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day I was at the park with my daughter. She was
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off playing and I was checking my download numbers
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on my phone and all of a sudden they just, like
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the line went from horizontal, it just went completely
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vertical. And I was like, oh, my goodness, it's
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happening. And I've never had another real big
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spike like that ever since. But, I mean. It just
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all seemed to come together at just the right
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time. And, I mean, you know, just as it did for
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that album for them, I think, it kind of came
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together for me in my silly little show that
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I was making out of my bedroom. So, yeah, I mean,
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that all went pretty well, I think. I woke up
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again ridiculously early on Tuesday morning,
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at 5 o 'clock in the morning, in fact, despite
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setting the alarm for 7 o 'clock. This time,
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though, I did try to get back to sleep, which
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I gave up at around 5 .25. Because, quite frankly,
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it is boring just lying there thinking, I should
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be going back to sleep, but I'm not. Of course,
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I did listen to some more podcasts, but not as
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many as I used to listen to. I haven't got almost
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15 hours of work time in a vehicle to do any
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listening now, to that degree. While doing that,
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I completed the writing of the Podbites newsletter,
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which I posted up an abridged version of on Substack
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for free, and the longer version is always on
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Patreon. During the day, I did some more podcast
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editing. There is a lot of editing to be done
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because I've got the chat with filmmaker Mike
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Davis to finish off, of which I have been calling
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Season 10. before getting on to the seven episodes
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already recorded for Season 11. As well as that,
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there are maybe 12 episodes of the podcast Toppermost
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of the Poppermost to be edited as well? It's
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a daunting thing to look at the fact that I have
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20 episodes to edit, as well as recording and
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editing these Chronicles episodes on top of that.
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It is, of course, well worth it, because I enjoy
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podcasting so much. And that is not sarcasm.
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I actually do. Here is a clip from a future episode
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with Bee France, who presents two shows about
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the rock band INXS. These shows are The
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Superb, INXS Access All Areas, and Listen
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Like Fans. There's so much footage there. Wouldn't
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it be amazing to have like an anthology? of in
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excess, like we've got the anthology of the Beatles
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and have all that there. Well, there is talk,
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especially when I've been talking to our Kirk
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over dinner, that there is going to be some sort
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of doco. And like I mentioned earlier, there's
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a 50th coming up. So we're hoping for big things
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for next year. It's going to be a big year. So,
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yes, I'll bring this in now because. It's a crying
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shame that INXS aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall
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of Fame in America. Yes, yeah. So having a documentary
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and also having the 50th anniversary, we're hoping
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that's going to give a lot of clout and a lot
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more sight for the committee members. So how
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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame works is... There
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is a fan vote, but it only comes to one point.
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The rest, I think there's over 2 ,000 points.
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So really it's a drop in the ocean, but it's
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a bit of fun for the fans. So what we need to
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do more than anything is just get the band seen
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as much as possible and talked about. myself
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and Hayden, who was my co -host in my first podcast,
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which is still going. We're still getting hundreds
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of downloads a day, even though we don't do any
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podcasting anymore at that point. Although, I
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mean, we pop up now and again. But that's what
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I mentioned at the beginning of the show. We're
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trying to get INXS into the rock and roll
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of fame. On the 17th of June, Toboloba Suliamon,
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told us in a Substack post of how in the first
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month of release alone, 80 people have purchased
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O -Trans, the African transcription service,
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of which he rightfully said, the first 100 users
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are not data points, they are conversations.
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They are the people willing to believe in you
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before the rest of the world does. I like that
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positivity. I am so happy that this incredible
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software is doing so well. The continent of Africa
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is one of the fastest growing podcast industries
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in the world, if not the actual fastest. Another
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Substack post from the 17th of June saw Dave
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Campbell asking, Is a 30 second podcast play
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meaningful? Why podcast analytics may need a
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rethink. That was me quoting the title, by the
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way. I can completely understand where Dave is
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coming from, because I do want people to listen
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to entire episodes of my shows. But at the same
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time, it could cause a potential extreme drop
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of revenue from advertising for podcasters. There
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is also the fact that the recent addition of
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chaptering, where people can listen to the bits
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they're interested in, that it might mean them
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not listening to enough of the episode to hit
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the proposed percentage. I think Dave was suggesting
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or proposing around 70%, 75 % of an episode to
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be listened to, to count as a listen, which if
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someone's only listening to one chapter. they're
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not going to get paid because they won't have
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listened to enough to reach that area. So, despite
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my worries that there would be virtually nothing
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to talk about, I actually did have a few things
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going on this week. In fact, I didn't even mention
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that I've also been working on the show notes
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for future recordings of the podcast Toppermost
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of the Poppermost. where I very often get the
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information together on the UK charts for the
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times that we are looking at. I also had a fun
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and informative talk on the phone with Sam Sethi
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of TrueFans, who was giving me some feedback
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on the previous episode of Chronicles, as well
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as some general conversation. So with that, I
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wish all of you podders the best. Pods like us.
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is available anywhere that podcasts can be found,
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and all of the links to the social media and
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email are available on the opening page of themarvzone
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Please rate and review the show on the platform
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on. All feedback is gratefully received, as it
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helps to know if there is anything that needs
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to be looked at. Thank you for listening, and
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I hope you listen again to another episode of
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Pods Like Us Chronicles.
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This has been a week that saw me seemingly doing
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very little, and being embarrassed by that very
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fact. However, when I look back and see a lot
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of time spent editing, preparing guests for the
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future, making new connections, working on the
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website, working on the newsletter, working on
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the Patreon page, and more things, I think to
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myself, I have done a lot of work after all.
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I'm Martin Quibell, known to my friends as Marv,
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and this is Pods Like Us Chronicles. Sunday the
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14th saw me listening to songs in preparation
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for recording an episode of When There Was Fab
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with Ed Chen and starting a clean -up campaign
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on the laptop that's used to record the shows
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with. The laptop was incredibly full, just like
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the Griswold's Christmas tree was full of sap.
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Not only that, but there were quite a few of
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those small USB stick drives, just like the ones
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I'm holding on the camera for the video that
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people listening to it cannot see, that had data
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on, all of which needed consolidating. On Sunday,
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a relatively small three terabyte external hard
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drive showed up. But with my regular lazy Sunday
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self, I left that until Monday and just researched
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for the show that was being recorded later on
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that night. Here is a clip from a future episode
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with Phil Better, the podcast. mogul you know
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new podcasters shouldn't be worried about the
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technology and you know if you don't if you're
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not comfortable with doing video it's still that
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most people still listen to podcast even if it's
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on youtube they will have it on in pot on in
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the on in the background and continue what they're
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doing but not watch the video that's that's a
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stat that that is true yeah it's it's it's i'm
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glad you brought that up it's something that
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Being in the podcasting world, both on the independent,
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because I've been independent working for myself,
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but also working for agencies. Yeah. And it's
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something that is constantly pushed by clients
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because there is that push for it. You know,
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you have Apple now doing the HGTL or whatever
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it's called. Yeah, there you go, the HLS. Then
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you got Spotify just before pushing their own,
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you know. a closed off garden for video and you
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have YouTube, obviously the largest video producer
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in the world right now, or a consumer of videos,
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pushing this idea that you need to have video
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for your podcast. Now I, I started podcasting
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back in 2014 when video wasn't even like Apple
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allowed video, but they didn't really tell you
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how to get Apple video on it back in those days.
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And it was just pure audio. For me, a podcast
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is pure audio. If you don't have an RSS feed,
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you don't have a podcast. You have a TV show,
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a public access show, if you will. That's what
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you have. If you're only uploading to YouTube,
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you just have a TV show. Because for me, YouTube
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is now the new TV. After joining RSS, I was able
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to find reviews from across the world. When I
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did that, I saw a five -star review. from Anastasia
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Lipke from the US that was left on the 1st of
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June this year. Wow, fresh. In the review, Anastasia
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wrote, Great show for anyone in the podcasting
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space. I really love learning from some of the
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great guests that Marv has had on his show. The
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podcasting space is ever -changing, so being
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able to hear from experts in the industry can
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really help me to keep up to date. I highly recommend
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this pod. Well, thank you Anastasia for that
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five -star review. That is most kind. This is
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also the first time that I came across a three
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-star review from the 7th of May 2021 that was
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written by someone who called themselves General
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Public Podcast Randomness. Their review was short
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and to the point, where it said, very confusing,
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lol. Well, that was a little over six months
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into my podcasting journey, and I hope that it
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is less confusing now, more than five years later.
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Nevertheless, thank you to both of you. Reviews
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are great, as are ratings, and I am happy to
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receive any rating in any review, because I will
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take the advice, if there is any, on board. On
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Monday, I moved on with the data consolidation,
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plugging in my 4 -way USB 2 .0. adapter into
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the usb 3 .0 socket of the laptop allowing for
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the three terabyte hard drive and three usb memory
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sticks to be plugged in over the three days from
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monday to wednesday i moved everything from the
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sticks to the new hard drive and transferred
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the data from the laptop to the hard drive as
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well I'm still at a loss as to how there is still
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over 100 gigabytes of use space on the laptop's
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internal hard drive after clearing it of all
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of the videos, all of the music, all of the podcast
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work, all of the documents, and all of the photographs
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that were on there. It doesn't make any sense,
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really. Also during the day, I listened to some
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podcasts, which included an episode of Soda Jerker
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on songwriting, where Bri and Si had a fantastic
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discussion with Sean Ono Lennon about his
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songwriting and music. Now, Sean, as part of
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The Lennon -Claypool Delirium, with his musical
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partner Les Claypool, famous for being in Primus,
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have just recently come out with a new album.
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And I cannot remember for the life of me, because
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I haven't written it in the script over there
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that I'm pointing at that you can't see on audio.
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I haven't written that in there. But something
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about the great parrot ox. But that was the reason
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why he was on there, was to promote that, really.
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But anyway, going back to the script. Sean apparently
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is not a fan of his first solo album, Into the
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Sun. I, however, like a lot of the music on there.
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I was and still am a fan of the band Cibo Matto,
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who incidentally I discovered through a Buffy
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the Vampire Slayer the series. But yes, Cibo Matto,
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of whom Sean was a member, and his first album
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did actually feature the other members of the
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band on there, backing him up. Another podcast
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I listened to was Song Exploder, where they spoke
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with Sir Paul McCartney about the song Ripples
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in a Pond, or Ripples on a Pond, I don't remember
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that either, what the title is, which is from
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his recently released album, The Boys of Dungeon
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Lane. Apparently, the song dates back to more
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than 10 years ago, with the first official studio
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recording being in 2015. There have been two
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albums, I believe, since then that have been
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released, and that was mentioned by the interviewer.
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Again, that was an interesting episode, and it
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was nice to hear a deep dive for almost 20 minutes
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about one McCartney song. Boy, would I love a
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series where they go in -depth for around half
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an hour on individual songs. by Macca, particularly
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the big songs and maybe some, you know, the deep
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cuts as well. Anyway, I've gone off script again.
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On Monday night, there was more recording for
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When There Was Fab, where we discussed the two
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podcast episodes that I've just mentioned now.
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Here is a clip. from a future episode with Rod
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Gordon about his podcast, This Must Be Talking
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Heads. But you're not giving a critique of it.
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You're giving people the information that's there.
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And that gets even more interesting when you
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get to remain in light and it's not just you
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that's talking about the albums and songs. No,
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I got really lucky. Because obviously, too, you
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know, my podcast output lately has not been super
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great. And I've got a new podcast episode coming
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soon, but I think it's been nearly nine months
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since my last one. So I'm deeply ashamed of that.
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But when I started, I was putting out one episode
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every month or something like that. And, you
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know, so I'd only put out a couple, you know,
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like an introductory one, 77, more songs, more
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music. So I was still a bit green and still my
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Instagram account was still sort of growing,
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didn't have much of a following. But I think
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I had done just enough to prove that I wasn't
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there to placate egos. I wasn't there to be a
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lover or a hater. I was trying to just be a fan
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and share everything I'd found. And at the same
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time, the drummer Chris Franz had written a book.
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Apparently it had taken him many, many years.
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And he was sort of starting to promote it. The
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release actually got delayed a little bit because
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of the pandemic and the idea that he couldn't
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go out to a bookstore to do a signing and all
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that kind of stuff that was all just not feasible
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anymore. Obviously, the world sort of found a
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way to move on and eventually his book did come
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out. But he was sort of going on podcasts and
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giving little press interviews here and there.
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And I just noticed that he also seemed to run
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his own Instagram account. Like he didn't have
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a... PR manager or whatever, for want of a better
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word. It seemed to be him. Like the comments
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and the posts and the photos, it seemed to genuinely
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just be an account that he ran. So I took a chance,
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messaged him and said, look, you know, if you
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ever have any time, I'd love to talk to you.
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And I'm also planning to do a podcast, not just
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about Talking Heads, but about Tom Tom Club and
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your other work. So I'm genuinely really, really
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interested in just getting your story about a
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few things. He was very, very generous and he
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sort of... You know, he did have a publicity
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agent or a person that he was working with to
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book things, but he just said to me, look, I'll
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just do it. Yes. So, you know, here's my Skype.
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Just let's set up a time and do it. So I was
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very, very grateful. Really obvious, the thrill
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of a lifetime, obviously. And so not only was
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I already up to Remain in Light, which was also
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a nice little bonus to get him on that episode,
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because I knew that that episode would be one
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that people checking out a Talking Heads podcast
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might jump to just the one about their favorite
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album. And if they like it, they might listen
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to others, right? So I got very, very lucky with
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that. Got to talk to Chris and basically I speedrun
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with him through that album, but then I also
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banked a whole bunch of questions about all the
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Tom Tom Club albums, which I got good mileage
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out of all of that gear as well. And then the
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funny thing happened was also there was another
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podcast that was being done by... I don't know
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if you know the TV show Severance, but the star
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Adam Scott, obviously he's a big star now, but
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he was doing, with another comedian, was doing
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a funny muck around podcast about talking heads
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at the same time. So I kind of, as a joke, said
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to this guy who ran this blog, hey, it's funny
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how there's two talking heads podcasts now, my
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stupid independent one, but also that other big
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one. And he wrote a blog post about it. And then
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the comedian who has a million followers or something
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was like, I'm going to destroy that other talking
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heads podcast. So I can't recommend enough, if
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you run a podcast, getting someone with a million
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followers to post a link to a blog about your
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own podcast because, I mean, I can remember the
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day I was at the park with my daughter. She was
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off playing and I was checking my download numbers
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on my phone and all of a sudden they just, like
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the line went from horizontal, it just went completely
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vertical. And I was like, oh, my goodness, it's
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happening. And I've never had another real big
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spike like that ever since. But, I mean. It just
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all seemed to come together at just the right
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time. And, I mean, you know, just as it did for
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that album for them, I think, it kind of came
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together for me in my silly little show that
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I was making out of my bedroom. So, yeah, I mean,
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that all went pretty well, I think. I woke up
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again ridiculously early on Tuesday morning,
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at 5 o 'clock in the morning, in fact, despite
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setting the alarm for 7 o 'clock. This time,
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though, I did try to get back to sleep, which
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I gave up at around 5 .25. Because, quite frankly,
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it is boring just lying there thinking, I should
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be going back to sleep, but I'm not. Of course,
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I did listen to some more podcasts, but not as
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many as I used to listen to. I haven't got almost
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15 hours of work time in a vehicle to do any
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listening now, to that degree. While doing that,
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I completed the writing of the Podbites newsletter,
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which I posted up an abridged version of on Substack
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for free, and the longer version is always on
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Patreon. During the day, I did some more podcast
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editing. There is a lot of editing to be done
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because I've got the chat with filmmaker Mike
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Davis to finish off, of which I have been calling
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Season 10. before getting on to the seven episodes
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already recorded for Season 11. As well as that,
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there are maybe 12 episodes of the podcast Toppermost
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of the Poppermost to be edited as well? It's
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a daunting thing to look at the fact that I have
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20 episodes to edit, as well as recording and
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editing these Chronicles episodes on top of that.
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It is, of course, well worth it, because I enjoy
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podcasting so much. And that is not sarcasm.
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I actually do. Here is a clip from a future episode
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with Bee France, who presents two shows about
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the rock band INXS. These shows are The
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Superb, INXS Access All Areas, and Listen
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Like Fans. There's so much footage there. Wouldn't
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it be amazing to have like an anthology? of in
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excess, like we've got the anthology of the Beatles
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and have all that there. Well, there is talk,
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especially when I've been talking to our Kirk
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over dinner, that there is going to be some sort
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of doco. And like I mentioned earlier, there's
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a 50th coming up. So we're hoping for big things
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for next year. It's going to be a big year. So,
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yes, I'll bring this in now because. It's a crying
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shame that INXS aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall
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of Fame in America. Yes, yeah. So having a documentary
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and also having the 50th anniversary, we're hoping
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that's going to give a lot of clout and a lot
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more sight for the committee members. So how
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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame works is... There
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is a fan vote, but it only comes to one point.
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The rest, I think there's over 2 ,000 points.
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So really it's a drop in the ocean, but it's
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a bit of fun for the fans. So what we need to
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do more than anything is just get the band seen
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as much as possible and talked about. myself
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and Hayden, who was my co -host in my first podcast,
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which is still going. We're still getting hundreds
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of downloads a day, even though we don't do any
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podcasting anymore at that point. Although, I
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mean, we pop up now and again. But that's what
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I mentioned at the beginning of the show. We're
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trying to get INXS into the rock and roll
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of fame. On the 17th of June, Toboloba Suliamon,
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told us in a Substack post of how in the first
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month of release alone, 80 people have purchased
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O -Trans, the African transcription service,
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of which he rightfully said, the first 100 users
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are not data points, they are conversations.
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They are the people willing to believe in you
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before the rest of the world does. I like that
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positivity. I am so happy that this incredible
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software is doing so well. The continent of Africa
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is one of the fastest growing podcast industries
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in the world, if not the actual fastest. Another
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Substack post from the 17th of June saw Dave
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Campbell asking, Is a 30 second podcast play
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meaningful? Why podcast analytics may need a
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rethink. That was me quoting the title, by the
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way. I can completely understand where Dave is
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coming from, because I do want people to listen
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to entire episodes of my shows. But at the same
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time, it could cause a potential extreme drop
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of revenue from advertising for podcasters. There
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is also the fact that the recent addition of
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chaptering, where people can listen to the bits
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they're interested in, that it might mean them
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not listening to enough of the episode to hit
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the proposed percentage. I think Dave was suggesting
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or proposing around 70%, 75 % of an episode to
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be listened to, to count as a listen, which if
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someone's only listening to one chapter. they're
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not going to get paid because they won't have
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listened to enough to reach that area. So, despite
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my worries that there would be virtually nothing
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to talk about, I actually did have a few things
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going on this week. In fact, I didn't even mention
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that I've also been working on the show notes
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for future recordings of the podcast Toppermost
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of the Poppermost. where I very often get the
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information together on the UK charts for the
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times that we are looking at. I also had a fun
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and informative talk on the phone with Sam Sethi
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of TrueFans, who was giving me some feedback
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on the previous episode of Chronicles, as well
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as some general conversation. So with that, I
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wish all of you podders the best. Pods like us.
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