737. Christopher Sharp

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Hello, this is Martin Willis from your host, and welcome
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to podcast UFO. I'm really looking forward to our guest tonight,
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Christopher Sharp. I've been in touch with him, well, I
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don't know, maybe over a year about different things.
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Really have loved some of his articles.
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I'm glad that he is one of these journalists that
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actually take this topic of UFO's UAP seriously and so
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there's a lot of there's a lot of great articles.
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He has some great sources to go to Liberation Times
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and you'll see all of that. I try to figure
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out how many actual articles on UFOs and UAP there were,
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and there's I don't know a lot, so check it
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out over there. So I don't have the name of
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the blog yet. This is Saturday ahead of the show,
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so keep that in mind. I had to pre record
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with Christopher because of the time difference. When our show
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airs at eight pm Eastern New York time, it's one
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am for him there, and so he and I are
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recording here on Saturday, and I'm going to just bring
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them right in.
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Welcome Christopher.
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Hey there. Lovely to be of you, Martin. It's good
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to be talking personally. I think we've actually been in
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touch with twenty twenty three because I remember working on
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the Office of Global Access story with the Daily Mail,
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and I believe I was trying to get in touch
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with Jonathan Wage and yes, I'd love to have him.
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I would have loved to have him for that story,
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but unfortunately were unable to get over the line. But yeah,
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it's fine. The story still turned out great, and I
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want to thank you for your reference as well for
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helping me.
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Oh yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.
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Unfortunately, Jonathan is you know, was very traumatized and as
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people have seen him a couple of times on the show,
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you can see his reaction. He is traumatized by the
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whole situation and it did not want to talk to
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any journalists. So it's too bad, because you know, I
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think he has a lot to offer. I believe he's
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very sincere and I think he has a lot to offer,
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and but he he has he has trust issues basically
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because of what happened to him.
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You know, I can understand.
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It, so understandable, understandable. But hey, I think you know,
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since then, since we release that story, I think we've
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hopefully learned a lot more about secrecy in you know,
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what's been going on behind the scenes for all these years.
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Right, right, So where does your since you're writing, you've
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written all these articles all this time, what is your interest?
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How did your interests start in the topic itself?
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Yeah? Sure, if we're going to go way back, you know,
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when I was a child and at primary school and
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he asked me to write a story, a creative story.
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It would always involve aliens and stuff, and I guess
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I was always into that, and I really used to
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enjoy watching the documentaries on TV with people like Georgian
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and yeah, it just really captured my imagination. But I
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guess when I started getting into secondary school and university
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kind of like wither away that interested. And obviously you
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get a professional career in London working in public relations
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slash public affairs, and that's a professional world and it's
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kind of like you'd be even scared to talk about
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something like that because it would affectch your career prospects.
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But I think what happened was I think that you know,
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there were a few things that could of captured my interest. Again,
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I think Bob Bazarre going on Joe Rogan with Jeremy
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I remember watching that on a couch because I was
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sleeping on a couch at the time with my family
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when we were waiting for our new home to be built,
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so my family sleep on a couch. And I'm just
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like captivated by this in Bob Lazar's testimony and how
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much seems to have been backed up by history after that.
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And then I guess what happened is COVID happened. And
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I think that was kind of like a kind of
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a black Swan event. And I could see what was
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happening in China in terms of, you know, the infection
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rate and stuff, and it was like, gosh, this is
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really coming our way. And I think seeing people's reaction
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to something that's never happened before, it's been unprecedented, was
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really interesting to me because I remember talking to one
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of my colleagues at the time and I'm like, gosh,
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we're gonna have to go into lockdown and stuff, and
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because it's happening in Italy and he was like, no, no,
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the Italians say kiss each other on the cheek and stuff.
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It's just their culture. But I don't really think it's that,
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but like people were just kind of people couldn't get
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it in their heads this was going to happen, and
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I guess what happened when COVID occurred. I caught it,
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and I think I remember at the time seeing a
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report on the Pentagon basically confirming the videos released by
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To the Stars Academy were legitimate, and I was like, oh,
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my gosh, this is like really happening as well. It's
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other kind of a potential black swall event. And because
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I think I had been exposed to just how really
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really intelligent people were reacting to situations that had never
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happened before, and seeing like, actually they're not really that
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intelligent when it comes to it, they're critical thinking skills,
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I just kind of blindsided. I started to take interest
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in the UAP topic because I thought, look, it doesn't
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matter how intelligent you are or anything like that. You know,
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all these scientists and you know, skeptics and stuff. Unfortunately,
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we as humans we suffered from group think and people's
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biggest fear is basically being laughed at and stuff like that. Right, well, actually,
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you know this is this is a really really ripe
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topic to get into. And yes, that's kind of how
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I got into it again after COVID.
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Yeah, well it's it is since twenty seventeen the New
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York Times article came out that really had changed about
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everything as far as the way I reacted, because when
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I started this podcast back in twenty eleven, I really
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kept it quiet. I mean, I didn't even tell my
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son for the first three years, and eventually told him
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that I was doing the show on UFOs basically. But
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if the after that article came out in the New
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York Times and people were talking about it openly, then
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I felt like it wasn't a career crusher for me.
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You know, I'm a fine art and antiqu appraiser and
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I go and speak with clients, and you know, you
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have to have an integrity for things like that, So
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you know, I felt like it really diminished quite a bit.
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And as things are today, I really don't care one
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way or the other what someone thinks about me and
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my thoughts about UFOs.
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You know, I don't know.
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Maybe it's just because I've gotten older, but I just
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you know, you can laugh at me.
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I don't care, but I think there's something to it now.
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The funny thing is my sister, my brother in law,
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was a scientist at Los Alamos Labs. He retired from there,
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and when I talked to my sister and my brother
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in law, my brother in law is like, yeah, it's
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very possible they could figure out a way to get
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here that we've never you know, we could never figure
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out how to you know, travel that distance. But maybe
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they figured something out. He's like totally open minded. My sister,
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you know, wants to know what's for dinner. She doesn't
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care anything at all. She's never watched ten minutes. My
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younger sister has watched the show many times and participated
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in chat, but my older sisters wants nothing to do
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with the topic. Think there's nothing, thinks there's nothing to it.
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And it's kind of baffling when someone thinks there's nothing
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to it, and no matter how much evidence there is.
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Yeah, strange, isn't it. It's just like such an interesting
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topic for human psychology as well to see how people
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react things like my wife really is not interesting topic
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as well, you know. So, yeah, it's just the UFO stuff,
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and I think my dad's really got into it. There's
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my brother and stuff. And we were in Cornwall a
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few years back and we saw like a really weird
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object in the sky, but all pointing at it in
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a pub garden and everyone else is just like they
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don't care. It's just like switched off. So yeah, it's
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really strange. I had an interview with Talk TV in
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the UK the other day as well, and one of
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the other guests on the show was a guy called
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Noel Gardiner who was works with a heritage foundation. He
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was a former aid for Margaret Thatcher and Al playing
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to be like Alex. The host said, like his face
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just sunk because he was like, gosh, like I know
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these people like this is real, like and you still
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like live on TV, just someone reacting to this for
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the first time saying gosh, I really need to start
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taking this serious. Yeah. I just find it really interesting
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how people react to it, you know.
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Right now, I noticed on Liberation Times that there's a
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lot of American and a lot of the United States
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articles related to the United States, and it almost seems
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like the UFOs is like a United States centric topic
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in a way, you know, like there's so many there's
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so much more interest or something.
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Why do you think that is.
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I don't think it. I don't think it in terms
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of like the cases and stuff. I think that's really
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really cultural, you know, let's look at the mystery drone incidents.
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You know, that was happening over the UK, it was
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happening in Europe. You know, We've had our fair share
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of instance here and stuff in other countries as well.
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I think in the Muslim world, I think a lot
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of it is caught up in the gin. I've got
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a Muslim friend actually and couldn't care anything about UFOs,
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But all of a sudden, when you start saying that Gin,
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she takes it prey. Seriously, you shouldn't like have flashlights
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and put them in the sky at night, for instance.
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That attracts them. So when they see these things, they
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think GIN. And I think that's a really interesting aspect
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to it in terms of the culture. But yeah, a
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lot of the stories tend to be US centric because
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that's where all the action is happening in terms of disclosure.
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And also, the United States is the world's greatest superpower
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and has been for some time now, and it kind
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of like has a monopoly on this top top to
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some extent, especially in the Western world. So yeah, it's
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a lot of the secrecy has been based there and
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that's what makes it so interesting. And I think the
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other countries that you would look at China and Russia.
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I mean it's very very difficult to kind of get
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access to that because the language barriers and it's more
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closed up in those countries and stuff. So I think
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usd English speaking people in the US and the UK,
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you know, we we kind of like look at these together,
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and you know, we share cases like Rendall Sherman, the
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you know, the the US instance, have happened text work
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and stuff like that.
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So yeah, yeah, it's funny.
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I just had a conversation someone interviewed me for their
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show and he asked me, what are some other countries
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quote as well? And I did say bent Waters, you know,
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for for England, because I can't think of any other
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cases monumental as that one.
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And yeah, yeah, have you ever been to that area?
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No, I haven't actually, but I lived closer to it now.
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I've just recently moved to Cambridgeshire from London and so
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I'm actually quite close to it now. But I mean
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I got a place in Ess is quite a lot
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where some in laws of base and actually it's very
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very close to there. You're just right close to the
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border with Suffolk where it happens. I could actually get
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there quite easily. So yeah, I I should. I should rely,
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I should really get down there. I really really should
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be great to go for a tour there. So yeah,
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I think you just put an idea in my head.
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I think that's a day out.
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Yeah.
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Well, you know a lot of people claim that there's
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still things going on there, and you know, and speaking
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of things going still going on, I saw some type
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of articles somewhere recently where I don't know exactly where
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it was, somewhere in the United States is saying, well,
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the drones are happening again, and it just seems like,
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you know, that was such a mystery in general, you know,
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because of though the FAA said at first that there
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was nothing going on, they had nothing to do with anything.
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Then later they said, oh yeah, it was some testing.
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So I mean they kind of walked it back, which
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I think is to me, you know, I don't want
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to get too conspiratorial, but it sounds like a cover
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up type of situation because I don't think they really
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knew what was going on. I mean, there were base incursions,
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there was all kinds of things happening, and but the
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drone thing is very much a puzzle you know, some
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of them are just regular drones, maybe commercial drones or whatever.
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lives in New Jersey. This about a year ago, and
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it was did not seem like a regular drone to me.
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So yeah, I've had I've had similar testing. I've seen
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similar things as well. It's so the way I go
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about this is that I am I'm kind of like
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on the sidelines in the way because I don't really
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know what it is, so I keep different perspectives, and
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you know, I published articles from Frank Melbourne, who thinks
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a lot of it is kind of like Russian activity.
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I published articles from my friend Mike Morgan, a former
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retired retired detective in the UK, who thinks they're actually
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potentially non human. But you know, I'm kind of like
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of the opinion that these could be Chinese as well,
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high tech Chinese. I mean, if we're looking at the
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draining incidents, I mean we've had them in different areas.
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the logs there as well, just say, they just couldn't
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seem to take them down. And they've been happening in Europe,
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they've been happening across the East Coast as well, and
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some of the bases they're affecting in New Jersey for instance,
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from the the case where you've been seeing lots of
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kind of like UAP or drones whatever off the East coast,
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seen by people like you know, Ryan Grace for instance,
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over the training ranges. You know, it couldn't be that
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these things have kind of like started moving more inland
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now and just kind of like from my understanding, what's
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what's happening. What I'm kind of been told is that
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it is kind of like a mixture between Chinese and
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potential non human craft which are present in these areas.
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Do you remember the guy who like exploded his cyber truck.
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these things were Chinese, are like kind of like anti
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dravitic Chinese things, and it's kind of like basically game over.
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They could have an unliberity payload of the White House.
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he might be hearing a lot more about that potential
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angle in the months to come. In terms of breakthrough
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Chinese technology, I spoke to someone who's very knowledgeable on this.
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I said, well, if it was Chinese, why would they
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fly their most sophisticated craft over the US when they
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could get shot down? And the person basically said to me,
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it's kind of like, you know, us flying a self
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bomber the Amazon over native tribes. We know that they've
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got nothing to counter this, and that's apparently the way
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that the Chinese feel about this. But I feel there
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is something potentially to that, and I do think that
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this technology has potentially been reversed neared by non human technology.
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And look, the CIA is going to be keeping tabs
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on these because you know, just just as we're seeing
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over the test ranges potentially, and I think over Packs
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River as well, where I think they've got UAP material
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where they test a lot of high tech draones. From that,
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the Russians and the Chinese are keeping tabs on these
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areas they have been since the Cold War. They've got
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submarines off the coast from my understanding, and they're looking
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to see if there's any breakthrough technology being demonstrated over
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these test ranges by the US, and the US is
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doing the same thing in China and Russia. They're looking
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at their kind of like their base is where they're
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testing the advanced craft, saying okay, are we observing anything
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that seems to be breakthrough, you know, and potentially linked
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to reverse engineering of you know, alien craft as well.
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From understanding, so it's such a it's a very really
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interesting topic, isn't it.
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It really is.
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And you know, there was there was the drone incident
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over Colorado I think it was four years ago then
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that that probably wouldn't have anything to do with China.
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There was probably a whole separate type of situation, I
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would imagine, But do you remember that in Colorado? I
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think maybe four years ago.
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covering that. From understanding, I'm not too familion the details,
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but yeah, I agree, I think as well, like because
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what you're kind of suggesting there as well is that
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you know, just because we see something in the sky
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that seems weird. It doesn't mean it's all from the
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same origin. You know, like when you see a commercial jet,
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you know it says American Airlines. You can't then just
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like think, okay, there's another gettist guy that's American Airlines
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as well. Now you've got different companies and like that,
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different origins.
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Yeah, yeah, so this is yeah, this is an interesting conversation.
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I'm really enjoying it.
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So yeah, you know, I never really thought about the
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drones being a possibility of some type of reverse you know,
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engineering breakthrough technology. But you know, it's that is an
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angle that there is a possibility. And you know, because
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I would think that if this really did happen, like
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David Grush did say and and others have talked about it,
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it wouldn't just be the United States that these things
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have crashed and been you know, the retrievals weren't just here.
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I wouldn't think, and you.
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Know, people always ask me, okay, so why would technology
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like that crash? You know, it's like the first thing,
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it doesn't make any sense. Something could get here from
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wherever it's coming from and crash.
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How could that be?
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You know, I mean, what do you what are your thoughts,
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how would you answer that question?
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So that's really really good actually, so on the on
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the Chinese aspects. So you know, one of one of
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the reasons for kind of like getting this out, and
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I think you know you would have seen it in
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the age of disclosure, is that the Chinese may have
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made breakthroughs in terms of their own reverse engineering, and
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they now may now you know, potentially be able to
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get ahead of the US and have dominance over this
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because the US the programs are so kind of they
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can't compartmented, and you can't really get enough people to
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look at it and make any breakthroughs from the technology.
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ensure that there's more people looking at this, more engineers,
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more physicists, So that that's one of the aims. And
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from my understanding there is actually I've been told this disclosure.
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If we're going to go there, you can I have
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been told that you can actually provide access to the
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craft and you can actually disclose the fact that you've.
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Got the the vehicles of non human origin, and that
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would would likely not cause a huge national security impact
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in terms of adversaries because I've been told that you know,
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Russia and China have got similar things, so it's kind
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of like, that's fine.
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You know, they've all got kind of like similar things
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that they're working with. The only sensitive thing would be
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how far you've gotten reverse engineering in this technology. That's
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the only sensitive thing. So you may not go as
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far as to say, look, this is what we've managed
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to do, and this is how we've managed to exploit
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this technology. But you could basically say, yes, we have
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this and yeah. I think one of my sources basically
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said you could come.
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Up with like a nuclear regularatory commission kind of like
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models there in terms of controlling access to the craft
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and just deal with it like you would like a nuclear.
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Program, which I think is very really interesting. And then
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in terms of your your question in terms of crashes,
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So from what I understand, there are dog fights between
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different factions of non humans and some of the crashes
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are due to that them shooting each other other. Stuff
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is being seen in space in orbit, and the craft
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in space which basically are being shot in space, shut
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down in space, if you can say, are being deorbited
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and brought back to Earth. But a lot of from
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my understanding, a lot of these vehicles are coming from
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archaeological excavations or from cage systems. That's where a lot
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of these are coming from, rather than kind of like crashes.
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And then in terms of the crashes, in terms of
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rosso I've also been told as well that what crash
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there was actually two human made craft reverse engineered from
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non human craft, stemming from the alleged Magenta crash in
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nineteen thirty three. So what happened was that the Italians
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and Nazis were working on their program and during World
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War two, from what I've been told is that the
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Nazis were working on stuff in Spain, as I say
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to country, and I've got a friend actually who lives
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in the area Marbeo in southern Spain. There was a
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lot of stuff being tested there. And basically the story
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is is that that craft that the Germans and the
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Italians were working on got transferred to argent after the war,
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and the Allies meanwhile, we'll work on their own program
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once they captured rupt and they started kind of like
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working on it in right Patterson. And what happened was
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it was up in the sky and had a dogfight
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with the the Argentine craft and Apparently the things on
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board were kind of like biological curve like clones and
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the Nazis, if you're going to believe this story, which
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is what I be told, the natsers kind of like
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main contact with like basically like a faction of Nordic
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Aliens or something like that, and that to pilot their craft,
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they were using these curve by clones and they helped
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you know, the Germans and the Americans. So the bodies
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on board with like clones. I know, this is so
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far out here, this story is, but I mean I
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reported it, but yeah, it's really interesting because you hear
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Tom Dilologis basically say that he believes that the thing
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that crashed at Roswell was Nazi from Argentina. So yeah,
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it's it's interesting. So I don't know how that story
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way age. I thought i'd get that out there because
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it was interesting. I think that's probably you know, part
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of the secrecy of why it's been so secret for
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so long is because this is all wrapped up potentially
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in kind of like Nazis and what they were doing
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during the war, and it was transferred to America.
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Well that's very interesting. I think of like the Virginia
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case that James Fox did a lot of work on,
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and I was at the Press Club recently when he
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had that event there. But I think of that case
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in particular when you know, there was a lot of
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witnesses and I think also credible witnesses. The doctor there
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that finally came forward, he didn't talk about it for
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you know, thirty somebody and then finally said I was there,
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and you know, he recently had our heart attack.
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He didn't want.
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To go out without telling, you know, his side of
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what supposedly really happened. I think he's sincere. He didn't
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make any money on this. He you know, he he's
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emotional about it and all that. The bottom line is
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that I'm trying to get to a point, and that
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is you know, that was also a crash. You know,
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beings were seen later in the village and around, but
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that crash, it seemed like instantly the military showed up.
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And there's so many crashes you hear about. The military
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seems to show up almost.
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Like they're tracking something.
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And then the Americans show up all over the world.
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You know, someone without any insignia, someone with American weapons,
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with a regular American accent, you know, and Jonathan Wygan
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thought they were from the Duh Department of Energy, and
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that would almost make sense. And I just wonder what
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your thoughts on that general topic would are.
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Yeah. Absolutely, I think when we're talking in South America,
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we were talking about kind of cover there potentially to
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do with kind of counter drug missions. So, you know,
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before the interview were talking Bridge Denial for instance, which
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is a program over South America to stop the the
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drug the drug planes from smuggling drugs over which is
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tied up with the Jonathan Wagent story as well, because
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the the operation that he was part of was part
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of that overall program and overall program led to a
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civilian craft being shot down by the Peruvian Air Force
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working with the CIA which cause a big controversy, and
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there was a report that came out from CIAIG which
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actually identified other instances were not enough diligence is taken
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before they actually shot something down. I think from understanding
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that one of the incidents happened on the exact month
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and year where Jonathan said, you know, he had his experience,
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So I think that's really interesting and I think as
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well that you know, I've reported recently that from my understanding,
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James Clapper and Stephanie O'Sullivan when they were working in
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od and I during the Obama administration, they had previously
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been working on programs to shoot down UFOs and retrieve them,
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and they took those programs with them within the Office
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of the Director of National Intelligence. So and that that
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information has come to me from multiple sources that step
483
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the gas out of the th and James Clapper were
484
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part of this kinectic slash retrieval program of your phase.
485
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.160
Now, wasn't he an age of disclosure?
486
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:15.799
Yeah, that's it?
487
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:23.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's that's something else. Yeah, so.
488
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:29.039
Uh yeah, that's so baffling as far as you know,
489
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:29.960
the retrievals.
490
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:31.480
And you know, a lot of.
491
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.920
Times people will say, well, you know, if you gave
492
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.400
someone an iPhone back, you know, two hundred years ago,
493
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:39.240
they wouldn't be able to do anything with it. They
494
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.759
wouldn't be able to reverse engineer it. Is that where
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00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.680
we are, you know, I mean, I would think that
496
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.079
the technology would be just so alien. Yeah, I know,
497
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.359
it's kind of a punt, but so alien to us
498
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.720
how we could ever figure out how to you know,
499
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.839
get into something and figure out what makes a tick?
500
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.880
Yeah, there there are different perspectives on this, and I
501
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.240
think when we're when we're looking at it, you have
502
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.799
to think what side of the story we are we getting,
503
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.160
you know. So these are just kind of like general
504
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:17.319
questions I like to ask, because we're kind of getting
505
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.039
scope from the intelligence world and from the military world
506
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.720
in terms of what's been happening with the reverse engineering
507
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.480
and the retrievals. But do we really have a lot
508
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.960
of eyes in relation to what's happened within the d OE,
509
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.599
the Department of Energy. I don't know. So this is
510
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.000
the thing, like, so when people say we can't really
511
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.799
understand these craft, this these physics and beyond our understanding
512
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.519
for now or whatever, you know, are we only getting
513
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:55.079
that from a certain viewpoint? Are we only getting this from,
514
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.079
you know, the people who are working on the material
515
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.240
side of it, you know, from the Department of War
516
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.480
for example, or are we only getting it from the
517
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.759
people who are kind of like in the intelligence world,
518
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.119
you know, and they're trying to find out motives origin
519
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:18.519
stuff like that, capabilities. I don't think we've really access
520
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.839
in terms of whistleblowers from the DOE who have kind
521
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.680
of come out basically kind of going into the physics
522
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:32.960
model that they think these craft come from, and you know,
523
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:35.759
the energy systems and stuff like that. I think that's
524
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.960
what's really really interesting, and I don't think we've really
525
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.000
within the UFO community had enough exposure to that. And
526
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.319
because of that, it's difficult to say as well, how
527
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.160
much this technology has been exploited. You get different accounts.
528
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.279
You get some people, as they said, we've not really
529
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.759
made much progress because we don't re understand it. We've
530
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:59.279
made some progress, you know, apparently there is like a
531
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:03.720
TR THREEB type thing that's going around and it could
532
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.119
be a drone, could be could have people on board,
533
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.359
but apparently that is a thing and it's an I
534
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.599
R kind of like capable vehicle. But then you've got
535
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.480
other people basically saying, actually, you know, we've got ships
536
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.279
out in space going to other solar systems and stuff.
537
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:26.200
So it's very difficult to understand. But then again, it's
538
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.720
just from where the whistleblowers are coming from. You know,
539
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.440
are they coming from the DOE, Are they coming from
540
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.880
the DOW, which part of the DOW? Are they coming
541
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.799
from the IC? Okay, which part of the IC? So
542
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.519
you have to as a journalist like or research to
543
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:40.440
just try to see if you could put the puzzle together.
544
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.680
Right, Great, So I'd like to shift gears a little
545
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.880
bit because I know we spoke just before and you
546
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.119
have looked into this, the missing.
547
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.079
McClelland mc how do you say his.
548
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.200
Last name, mill mccats lines, Yeah.
549
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:00.880
The Castland.
550
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.960
Yeah, so yeah, I mean, and this again we're recording
551
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.920
here on Saturday. Who knows, you know, they may find him,
552
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.319
but all of a sudden he becomes missing. And can
553
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.680
you talk a little bit what you know about him
554
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:15.359
in particular?
555
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.039
Yeah. So he was the former commander of the Air
556
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:24.599
Force Research Laboratory. He was kind of like one of
557
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.200
the way guys we've been right, Patterson, And he was
558
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:35.440
an advisor to Tom DeLonge. Oh yes, his UFO efforts
559
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:40.119
the General And I believe that he basically from my
560
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.920
understanding for I mean toal he basically admitted, yes, you know,
561
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:48.680
we've got the Roswell craft. This is what happened. I
562
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.279
think he gave him the Argentina story perhaps as well,
563
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.079
and he gave it all this insight and he helped
564
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:58.759
him put together his advisory team. So he was like
565
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.200
he basically he was in the center of all this,
566
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.880
and you know this has been proven by emails that
567
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.160
it was leaked as part of the death of emails.
568
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.719
His wife is basically confirmed that he worked for Launch
569
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.599
Now as well. So I mean, this is a guy.
570
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.280
I mean, I know that he retired thirteen years ago,
571
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.480
and his wife has basically said, oh, it's nothing you know,
572
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.159
a foreign intelligence service or something like that might need
573
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.199
from him because he retired thirteen years ago. I mean,
574
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.840
come on, this guy. America protects its secrets very very well,
575
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:29.719
and even if he retired thirteen years ago, he was
576
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.719
likely read into stuff and he knows stuff that a
577
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.360
foreign intelligent service would love to know. So the story
578
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.360
is basically that he went missing. I think Friday may
579
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.480
have been And what happens is that he went missing
580
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.360
and he didn't have his He didn't take his phone
581
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:50.679
with him, didn't take.
582
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:53.920
Care of that. That's a really unusual not to take
583
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:54.400
his phone.
584
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.280
Yeah, absolutely, he isn't Avid, because I've been looking at
585
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.039
his Facebook all the time actually kind of like piecing
586
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.079
together who he is. And he loves hiking. You often
587
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.199
see him climbing mountains or going up into the hills
588
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.800
and stuff. That's what he lives or basically loves being
589
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.480
on events and stuff, and so, I mean he's very
590
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:20.599
very good. He knows the area very very well. There
591
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:25.000
were rumors that he had dementia because a RO alert
592
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.039
had been put out, but from my understanding what his
593
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:32.079
wife said, he didn't have dementia. He was very very sound.
594
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.239
He was still very very sharp. And other people that
595
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.800
know him have told me that his wife was a
596
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:45.760
doctor's appointment and that's when he went missing. So yeah,
597
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.480
it's a complete mystery. They've got everyone looking for him.
598
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.960
They got drones, they've got the county sheriff that, they've
599
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:58.079
got Kirtland Air Force Base assistant assisting, they got the
600
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:06.239
US Air Force assisting, the Office of Investigations, and they
601
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.599
just he's completely missing. And it's a complete mystery of
602
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.840
what's happened. Why would he just go alone without his foe,
603
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.159
without his watch and just leave it just like none
604
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.239
of it really adds. I believe that his wife does
605
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.079
not think it was a kidnapping either, but how do
606
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:26.320
you know? And it's interesting cases as well, because how
607
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.639
does the United State Because this isn't just a missing
608
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:33.719
person's case, it's someone of high value, who knows a
609
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.400
lot of the secrets basically, who has got How does
610
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.400
the United States handle something like that? Is it seen
611
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.920
as a national security situation as well? I would love
612
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.880
to ask that, Actually I should ask the FBI that
613
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:51.000
do you see his disappearance as a national security situation?
614
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.800
And of you know, alarm in terms of that. So
615
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.800
it's a very fascinating case. And you know, first and foremost,
616
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.239
I just like he's found me safe.
617
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.800
Right, yeah, me too, and by the time this airs,
618
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.920
that's a possibility. So another I just looked at an
619
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.960
article you just published, which I did like a little
620
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.480
show on it myself, and that is the h you know,
621
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:23.320
Obama talking uh and kind of joking, but it kind
622
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.960
of went viral, so you walked it back and uh
623
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.519
that that was interesting. And but but this is a
624
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:33.079
really nice article that you you wrote on the fourth
625
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.760
and uh, you know, and kind of the fallout and
626
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:41.519
then the reaction and where it could lead, you know,
627
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.840
what what Trump may do with it all and all
628
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.719
of that. But what is your overall, uh general feeling
629
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:49.679
do you think?
630
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:50.400
Uh?
631
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.239
You know, I remember I think it was Bill Clinton
632
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.000
that you know one wanted to get the UFO files released,
633
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.480
or maybe it was Jimmy Carter one of them, and
634
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.559
they always seem to hit roadblocks no matter what has said.
635
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.400
And so how do you think this is going to
636
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:06.880
end up?
637
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.079
I have not.
638
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.400
I got to tell you, I don't watch the news.
639
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.639
I avoid watching the news in general, so I really
640
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:18.440
don't know if there's any movement forward. And that's kind
641
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.519
of your job watching the news. So have you seen
642
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.239
any forward movement on anything?
643
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.960
Yes, yes I have. So people who are working on
644
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:33.159
this right now are very very villish represented persons, very
645
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.119
very bullish on this. He's quite happy with the progress.
646
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.079
Jeremy Corbell, who I speak to, I believe he said
647
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.239
that the Pentagon of the White House, he's been in
648
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.480
contact with like communications people from there and they're wondering
649
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.039
how they get their message straight about this, and he's
650
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.920
basically said, you need to be radically honest and just
651
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.679
provide the truth. And they've got a bunch of different
652
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:04.440
agencies at the moment, all working on this. I think
653
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.280
Burgerson said that, well, it's actually public acknowledge that the
654
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.079
All Domain and Nomni Resolution Office is involved, but there's
655
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:16.320
also places above the or Domain and Nomnly Resolution Office
656
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.559
which involved as well. So a lot of people are
657
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.880
quite skeptical that it's involvement, but yeah, it's all in
658
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.559
hand from my understanding. And meanwhile, the White House has
659
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:35.079
given an approval for Representative Burlerson to go to places
660
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:42.440
where UAP materials allegedly stored, and I reported that I
661
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.639
believe it was last week. Represented Bernison did visit Protuction
662
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.119
River in Maryland, which is an AWARE station and that's
663
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:57.559
where material was supposed to be delivered, let's say, for
664
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.480
Bob Bigelow for the transfer that was going to take
665
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:07.360
place between Buckied Martin and Biggeler. And there was a
666
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.320
hangar that was built at that facility and a crane
667
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.920
and a private runway as well for Bob Biggelers that
668
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.559
he could discreetly get there and get out. And I
669
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:25.960
believe that Representative Burson went to that facility from Minus Downing.
670
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.039
He did see a hangar, he saw a crane, and
671
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.239
he saw the runway as well that Biggler was used.
672
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.840
And basically for him, that kind of like supports the
673
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.239
story that actually there is something to this narrative. I've
674
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.159
seen something physical now that suggests that the infrastructure was
675
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:48.000
there to facilitate something. But I mean there might be
676
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.519
some more to that story. I still need to check
677
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.360
with people to see all the details of correct and stuff.
678
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.639
You know, was that the exact facility for instance, that
679
00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:01.400
was built for this purpose. But yeah, he got approval
680
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.000
from the White House to do that. I think he
681
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.920
should go back to pact Tuxent River as well. I've
682
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.239
been told that there is actually a non human craft
683
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:12.440
at the at the base that has been there for
684
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.559
a number of years now, in addition to the UAP
685
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.039
materials that we're going to be part of the transfer
686
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.320
between Lockheed and bige Ay. But yeah, and if you
687
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:25.199
look at the base as well, you know, Lucky Skug
688
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.039
Works does have a presence there, so it kind of
689
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:29.840
like all makes sense from that perspective.
690
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.239
You know, it's a you mentioned like Lockheed and Bigelow,
691
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.840
these are these are entities that are outside of you know,
692
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.679
government oversight. So in a way, I'm kind of surprised
693
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:48.199
that he was given access to, you know, to this
694
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.039
whole thing, or is going to be given access because
695
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.280
that's been probably the place to hide this type of thing.
696
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.960
Is you know, a private entity, so it can't be accessed. Yeah,
697
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.039
I remember I asked up. I interviewed Christopher Mellan all
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00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:08.239
the way back in twenty fifteen, and he said to
699
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.320
me at that time that if a president wants to
700
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.239
know anything, he will have.
701
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.280
The right to know. They can't keep it from him.
702
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.800
But the only way they could keep it from him
703
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.800
is if it was outside of what they had a
704
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.119
need to know. You know that that type of situation.
705
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:30.519
So you know, again it's kind of like stovepiping getting
706
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.840
it out of reach into private entities.
707
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.000
I mean, I don't know how far we'll get.
708
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.119
Well, well, the thing is, the big thing is is
709
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:46.159
that from an standing say, you know, we only destroyed secrecy,
710
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.039
you know, started treatment an Eisenhower. So if you're a president,
711
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.159
you know part of this initial cover up, you want
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00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.119
to make sure that there is an oversight. We've be
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00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:02.400
in the White House still believe that their oversight within
714
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.719
the White House was created Let's say in certain offices,
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00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.480
you know, let's say National Security Council, maybe two more
716
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.119
offices as well, let's say, and that remains, and that
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00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.320
there are people serving within those offices who do know
718
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:24.239
the truth, that have oversight of the UAP programs that
719
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:29.000
are career bureaucrats and they do not change with administrations.
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00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.159
This is that that's a very very big deal. And
721
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.599
unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk more about that, but
722
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.599
I can say that, you know, there's a good reason
723
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for that. You know, Gary Nolan has basically come out
724
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.920
and said that someone from the White House has threatened
725
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:51.159
him with death. So I'm not gonna I'm not I'm
726
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.199
not going to go there. And also we've heard story
727
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.079
about Mark and Dreison as well. You know, one of
728
00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:00.400
Elon's friends who's an advocate for artificial intelligence, he had
729
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.400
a meeting with someone from the White House as well,
730
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.320
and they told him that, you know, we can put
731
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.159
AI back in the box. We managed to classify physics,
732
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.199
and we can do exactly the same thing with artificial indergence.
733
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.599
So I think there is a lot of power in
734
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:18.760
the White House that is hidden President Trump, that bureaucrats
735
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.320
who have insignificant titles, let's say, are burrowed in offices
736
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.360
that no one really pays much attention to, but they're
737
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.639
very very powerful in practice.
738
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:33.000
Say, I've always wondered how there could be like a
739
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:38.039
generational legacy of something and to say, if there is
740
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.039
some type of cover up.
741
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.519
How that would like to say, we had.
742
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.880
Roswell in a couple of boxes somewhere and you know,
743
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:48.239
and it's known about and it's cataloged and whatever. I'm
744
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:53.079
just how does that move forward, like in a generational legacy,
745
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.320
And you know, I mean it's just it's I don't
746
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.519
really understand how that works. You know, we're talking seventy
747
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:03.199
years you know, yeah for something like that.
748
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.440
Yeah, yeah, I mean from understanding, there was something like
749
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.440
an MG twelve. We had all these powerful people just
750
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:16.280
kind of like coordinating the reaction the secrecy. And since
751
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.320
then it's kind of like devolved into little fieftings and
752
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:25.079
stuff and it's not as well organized now but just continues.
753
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.039
And yeah, like a Right Pats And Air Force space.
754
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.079
I remember talking to someone who had a family member
755
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.840
working now. It's like they were telling me that, yeah,
756
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.679
it's basically an open secret like at right Patterson Air
757
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.360
Force basically working at there, that there there are aliens there,
758
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.599
you know, dead bodies like in the basement. Like everyone
759
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.079
just kind of like knows that Right Patterson Air Force bace.
760
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.079
It's like, yeah, we just know it's part of our
761
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.719
everyday life, you know. So yeah, it's it's an interesting
762
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.639
it's very very interesting to see how it all works
763
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.400
and how it all comes together. You know.
764
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.119
You know, I've told this story a couple of times,
765
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.039
but I think it's interesting. I think you'll find it interesting.
766
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:10.320
In South Carolina, I'm part of a strummers group, guitar group,
767
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.199
and there's a gentleman there that's long retired and he
768
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.559
used to work as a as a civilian at right
769
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.599
pat and he said that he used to have water
770
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.800
cooler talk with all the Project Blue Book guys, you know.
771
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.360
And then he said, and then it closed down and
772
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.440
they were still there, he said, like into the first
773
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:36.440
part of the seventies.
774
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.880
He said, same guys. You know, they were still there.
775
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.559
They were still talking UFOs, you know, which I think
776
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:44.480
is really bizarre.
777
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.880
It's brilliant. I would love to be in these places
778
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.480
just see the conversations that they have. And you know,
779
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.440
we're talking about right pass there space. And I think
780
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.119
one of the things that a lot of people could
781
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.000
like get into is IDEAH forces covering is up. The
782
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:02.880
Air Force is covering up. Yeah, of course it is.
783
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.360
But also the Navy has its certain programs as well.
784
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.039
The Army does remember we make about cave systems and
785
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.360
stuff like that. I'm going to go into the cave
786
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:17.199
system be part of the Army, let's say, and the
787
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.199
DOE as well. Thee is like a really really big
788
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:26.599
one and kind of like look at the national labs
789
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:33.400
aspects and universities at work those national labs. That's really
790
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.079
interesting relationship as well.
791
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.920
Yeah, well, you know, it's funny how the Navy seems
792
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.519
to have the most transparency and you know, the Armed
793
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.480
Force is not the Air Force when it comes to
794
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.360
the United States. The Navy is like, yeah, I mean
795
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.320
the reporting is okay, and you know, on and on
796
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:53.719
and on.
797
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.440
You don't hear anything from the Air Force really to
798
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:56.840
speak of.
799
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.599
So the Navy. So from I understanding, you know, the
800
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.239
Navy was leading with disclosure.
801
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:08.760
If you look at the if you look at the
802
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.159
medias that released from the Pentagon when it was officially
803
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.960
confirmed and they were released, who released that it was
804
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.400
now there which is based at Patucks River.
805
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.480
Uh so is now coincidences apparently where they have the
806
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.039
UFO as well, And that's also where Salvator PaaS was
807
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:34.159
based and he came up with these crazy patents or patents,
808
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.079
isn't that a coincidence, you know that it all came
809
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:42.000
from this particular place, so that that that's something that's
810
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:43.280
really really interested me.
811
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.280
I think with the US Air Force, the most interesting
812
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.199
response I got was James Crapper. James Capper is always
813
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:54.599
the interesting response I get from skeptics. Es say US
814
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.119
Air Force could not deny his allegations from the Age
815
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:02.159
of Disclosure. They just it couldn't. They couldn't deny it
816
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.679
basically that there was like a UFO program above Area
817
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.559
fifty one in the nineties. So that's really interesting. And
818
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:16.000
when I had a conversation with former ARROW Deputy director
819
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:22.599
and acting director Tim Phillips, I tell you it was
820
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:26.480
it was very, very interesting because he seemed unaware of
821
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.920
what Clapper had said in the Agent Disclosed, because he
822
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:33.159
was always saying, Oh, it's circular reporting. Oh you can't
823
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.440
believe these whistle blowers, blah blah blah. And they said, oh,
824
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.920
did you know James Clapper, because I know that Tim
825
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.000
used to work with an O. D and I, And
826
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.920
he said, oh, I love James Clapperho he's a brilliant professional.
827
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.679
He's some night admire And he was saying that when
828
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.639
he was no d and I he used to meet
829
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:50.840
with Clapper I think once a week, and he was
830
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.800
just a brilliant person and he loves the guy. I
831
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.599
was like, okay, sir, Clapper is basically said that there's
832
00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:00.639
a UFO program you're in report with Arrow basically said
833
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.039
that was at the UFO program from Project from blue
834
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:08.320
Book until you know all sap ate it. So like
835
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.480
if he was to tell you there was a program
836
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.440
that was seeing stuff over every fifty one, would you
837
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.440
say that he was a BS person as well? Like
838
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.840
all these are with the global claiming up. Well, I'd
839
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:20.840
have to talk to James about that, he said. I
840
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.960
was like, yeah, please do. If you're still in contact
841
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.320
with me, get in touch. And I said, please let
842
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.400
me know how that conversation goes to him. I'm very
843
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.079
very interested to know. So I think that's really really
844
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.400
interesting and it also tells me as well that James
845
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.840
Clapper was not one of the people that talked to
846
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:45.079
the Arrow. I think that Clapper is a key person
847
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.599
to unlocking this. He has been in Washington, from my understanding,
848
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:50.679
talking to people. I don't know who he's spoken to,
849
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.440
but I think you know, no matter what your political persuasion.
850
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.480
He is someone that carries a lot of weight, you know.
851
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:02.480
And and interestingly as well, I bought his biography when
852
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.719
I did an article about him and Stephanie yourself. Interestingly,
853
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:11.800
he used to work with Bobby ray in Them and
854
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.920
he James Clapper loves Bobby ray in Them because I
855
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.360
think in the early eighties slash late seventies, Clapper was
856
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:27.199
a US Air Force NSA liaison, so he worked between
857
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.559
Bobby ray Inland and another guy who was very, very
858
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:33.840
senior with a US Air Force. So that's how he
859
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:37.719
got that relationship. Going. Yeah, this really Interestingly, you kind
860
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.639
of piece all these things together.
861
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:41.559
Right right, Yeah.
862
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.599
I mean I feel like in some ways, I don't
863
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.679
know what your moral feeling is, but in some ways
864
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.360
I feel like we're really moving forward.
865
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.400
There's really going to be something happened. You know. Trump
866
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.400
just said, okay, we're going to release everything. There's a
867
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.000
lot of interest in it, you know. But I've seen.
868
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.599
This type of thing before, and it seems like two
869
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.840
steps forward, one step back, you know. I'm just wondering,
870
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.760
how do you feel. Do you feel like there's potential
871
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.559
like of actually being quote unquote disclosure.
872
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:20.840
Let's say let's look at it like this. Let's say
873
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.880
the whole disclosure movement we've seen at the moment may
874
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:29.400
be a reaction to a potential breakthrough that has happened
875
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:34.480
with the Chinese in relation to UFO technology. Let's say
876
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.719
that you know Luisondoree, people like that who came out,
877
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.599
we were kind of like part of the reason why
878
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.320
they were trying to get this out is because they
879
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:49.079
had seen signs that the Chinese were outpacing the US,
880
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.719
and that there were signs that there was breakthrough technology.
881
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.119
It was like, gosh, the Chinese can work at this scale.
882
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.760
We don't have anything near close to this. We need
883
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.480
to open these things up. And let's say that Matthew
884
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:06.000
Libelsburg was correct in terms of these apparent drones being
885
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:12.119
of Chinese technology, and it's basically game over if we've
886
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.119
got these pressures. If that is real, if we're talking
887
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.800
about this kind of situation, I think that the US
888
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.800
has no choice. They would need to kind of like
889
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.840
have They would have to have a system whereby you
890
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:34.079
know more what civilians, scientists and engineers could have access
891
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.119
to these to these craft. And I think the US
892
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:41.559
basically has to compleane saying that, yes, we are being
893
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.960
visited by what we think is a non human intelligence,
894
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.440
and we have captured some craft, and we're going to
895
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.920
start a program to open these up for wider research,
896
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:56.880
to ensure that the US stays at the cutting edge
897
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:01.000
of technology and that we that we continue to have
898
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.880
dominance in terms of military tech. I think they have
899
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.559
to say that, and I think we've come close already.
900
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.719
I mean I would have been in your hand off,
901
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.119
like about three years ago if anyone have basically said that,
902
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.880
you know, from the US government had said that we've
903
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.719
seen forty to fifty craft that we can't explain that
904
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:25.599
seemed to be beyond any known human system. We're seeing
905
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.599
stuff in space, we're seeing stuff in the air, and
906
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:33.559
we can't. We have the best scientists, best people looking
907
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:36.280
at this. They can't explain the stuff that we're seeing.
908
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:41.280
We're talking about instantaneous acceleration and signature management and all
909
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:43.679
these things. I would have been in your hand off that, well,
910
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.519
that is exactly what Tim Fidit's former acting head of
911
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:50.880
the eldermin No Nominee Resolution Office, told me two weeks ago.
912
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.159
So we've got that already. So why can't the President
913
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:55.920
now say.
914
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.639
This right right, Well, it will be it will be
915
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.880
interesting to see where this goes. But you know I've
916
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:07.159
said on this show before also that you know, we
917
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.039
have such a political divide in this country that no
918
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:16.440
matter who is president, are they going to believe you know,
919
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.360
if a president announces it, whether it's a Democrat or
920
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:25.119
Republican or whoever's in office, whenever it's announced, how many
921
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.760
people are going to believe it's real or how many
922
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:29.400
people are just going to ignore it and just say
923
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.039
it's bs and move on, you know what I mean.
924
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.199
I guess if we actually could see the technology, and
925
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.920
we could see it, you know, publicly, then that would
926
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:39.960
be what we would need.
927
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:40.760
I'm guessing.
928
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.400
Well, look, I think in the US, this is one
929
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.000
of the rare topics which brings Democrats and Republicans together. Firstly,
930
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:57.000
you know, Barack Obama and Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Republicans
931
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.280
and Democrats. This is the thing that brings more together.
932
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:03.320
So you would have much argument in regards to that,
933
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.199
and what is available to Donald Trump in terms of
934
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:12.480
intelligence can also be made. It could also be gained
935
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:17.920
by Barack Obama. Another former presence still receive briefings, so
936
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:20.400
they could back Donald Trump up, and like you said,
937
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:22.599
you know, I think I think that might be a
938
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.400
key driver. You know, I think you have to I
939
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.559
think you have to provide access to these craft. You
940
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.119
have to say that we've recovered tic TACs as part
941
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.679
of archaeological NISUS potentially and all these other crevic craft sources,
942
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.800
and you know, we need to make this a national
943
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.719
kind of like effort to understand what we're dealing with here.
944
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:42.000
I think they need to do that.
945
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.159
Yeah, and I do agree.
946
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.800
You know, you made a good point because I've actually
947
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:49.960
said that myself. It is very bipartisan.
948
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:50.559
You know.
949
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.199
I was there during the hearings the first two public
950
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.679
hearings in Washington, d C. I was in the room
951
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.079
with David Grush, you know, was there and all that,
952
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:04.840
and I saw, you know, Democrats and Republicans that normally,
953
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.920
you know, fight against each other basically like asking really
954
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.320
really good questions, and you know, all seem seeming to
955
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:14.920
be on the same side. So that was, Yeah, that
956
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.760
made me feel like there was hope and I kind
957
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.559
of forgot all about that, you know when I pose
958
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.639
that question, because I do agree there is it is
959
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:24.480
a bipartisan situation.
960
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:26.519
So if you would go ahead.
961
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.440
And just you know, plug your Liberation Times and you
962
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.880
know your articles and all that, and go ahead.
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No, no, no, just firsty, thank you so much for
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having on. I've really enjoyed this conversation.
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Yes, me too.
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Yeah, you can find my articles on Liberation Times dot com.
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You can find me on x you know my hand
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was Chris uk shop without on the end, and you
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can also see my work and daily mail as well.
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So yeah, just yes, if you read my articles, thank
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you so much. If you're supporter, thank you so much.
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And yeah, let's we're on this discovery mission together basically,
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and yeah.
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That's right, and I know it's late there for you,
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so thank you so much for coming on. And it's
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been a real pleasurable conversation.
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Thank you.
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Likewise, thank you Martin take care of himself
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You too, Yes, all right, all right, So next Tuesday
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we have Jeff Silver on and thank you all for
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hanging in and remember to keep your eyes to