Paradigm Shift: The Luigi Mangione Case. Did He Do It?

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All right, guys, welcome back to the paradigm shift.
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Of course, I am Big Rob coming back at you with little Jesse.
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What's happening, buddy?
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Hey man, I think I'm I'm doing better than you are today.
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If uh y'all can't hear out there, Big Rob's got the sniffles.
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So he is a little under the weather, so I might be doing a little more talking than normal.
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You're gonna be doing the heavy lifting today for sure, but absolutely.
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Yeah, that's all right.
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You're never living down little Jesse, by the way.
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So great.
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We got an interesting one today, uh, that we're gonna talk about um a case that has been going viral, really trending, and a lot of controversy around it.
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Uh what do you have for us today, brother?
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Yeah, so in in today's episode, we're going to be getting into the story of Luigi Mangioni.
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He is the uh the guy who's accused of killing the uh United Healthcare CEO.
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Uh and in sort of making a political statement.
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Uh, what's what's really unique with this case is that by all accounts, he was kind of the last person you would think would do something like this.
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But I guess he had a bit of a uh debilitating injury that's supposedly a part of this plot line.
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Um, he's also comes from a very wealthy, very well-connected family, uh, which is very um surprising here.
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And hold on a second.
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So when you say you can't say in the same breath, manioni and well-connected family, are we talking legitimate connections or uh we're not talking like mob connections if that's where you're going.
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Yeah, you need to be a little bit more you know clear about that.
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No, no, we're not talking mob, we're more so talking like uh locally influential and politically connected in the uh Baltimore, Maryland area.
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So illegitimate.
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I I I well, when what when I go through it in this episode, I mean you're gonna see, I mean, they they got some serious pull here that this family that he comes from.
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So um definitely not the guy you would expect to be accused of something like this.
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And honestly, I mean we're gonna kind of break down some of the if we even think he's the guy, and at the end of this one, I mean the shift is gonna have to solve it again.
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If what what we think is is happening here is true or not, and kind of where it goes from here, right?
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Um, yeah, we do we do have some images and stuff like that, uh, that we're gonna be comparing.
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Absolutely.
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And I was gonna say, speaking of the pictures of Manion, the way this thing got on my radar originally was that just about every Reddit post I've seen involving Manzioni is it, I mean, it goes into the stratosphere with likes, and the entire comments section is women that wants to sleep with this guy.
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The whole thing.
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So it's it's it's an interesting story.
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Wasn't I just saying in the last episode we we did that human beings are dysfunctional and we crave dysfunction?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, and you know, I don't know if you've seen this before, but there's a lot of examples of this with like guys that are on trial for like murder or serial killers, and they get sort of like this weird group of groupies that like sends them letters, and before you know it, they're getting like married in jail.
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And it's like, what do you mean you got married in jail?
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And and this this kind of thing actually is very common, like it happens a lot.
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Yeah, it's for I was gonna say, I remember like hearing about this stuff back in like the early 90s, too, even pre-internet.
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You know, this was a common thing with uh what what what do they call it?
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Uh pen pals.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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And and it happened with like the uh the Menendez brothers.
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Uh, there was a serial killer.
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I I think the moniker they gave him was the night stalker, and in the courtroom, he he looks like he's trying to be like one of the uh Rolling Stones or something, and all these women are like all over the sky.
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It's it's weird.
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Uh to say the least.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So with that, you ready to get into it?
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Let's go, buddy.
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All right.
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So to kick this one off, we're gonna say um, who is Luigi Mangioni, right?
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So if you haven't heard of Luigi Mangioni, he is a 28-year-old former valedictorian.
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So basically the smartest kid, the number one smartest kid in his high school, an Ivy League graduate.
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All right.
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So he's born into a wealthy, prominent, uh, highly philanthropic um Italian-American family, as I mentioned, in Baltimore, Maryland.
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Uh, he attended the uh, I guess the Gilman Schools.
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So this is a prestigious school.
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Uh, he was an avid wrestler and well-liked student.
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Okay.
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Um, from there, he went to the University of Pennsylvania.
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He earned a bachelor's and a master's degree in computer science.
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So by all accounts, he is very smart, right?
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Um, he was known basically as a brilliant data and software engineer.
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However, as I mentioned earlier, he suffered a severe back injury that required major uh spinal surgery, leaving him with a debilitating chronic pain.
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And let me just stop there a second to say that for anybody who's had a back injury before, these are like the worst injuries you can ever get.
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I'm sure you've probably had a couple, right?
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I'm actually missing a compression disc in my lower spine because of uh because I was, you know, as you know, I used to be a professional wrestler, so that a lot of impacts.
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Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.
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And so uh Luigi apparently also had some severe spinal issues, uh, and he's had them very young, also, you know.
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So the crime here, let's talk about this.
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So the crime and the accusation.
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So he's accused of targeted assassination of Brian Thompson, who was the 50-year-old CEO of United Healthcare, which was the largest health insurer in the U.S.
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Okay, so this guy is the CEO, biggest health insurance company.
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Now, what happened was on December 4th, two 2024, Thompson was walking towards the New York Hilton Midtown Hotel uh to give a presentation at a company investor conference, and a masked gunman approached from behind, shooting him in the back, and then shot him in the chest while he was on the ground.
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The gunman fled.
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Okay.
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Now, this is interesting.
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Have you ever heard about delay, deny, defend?
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No.
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So this is something that came out of a book.
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So basically, um, the case immediately ignited immense public interest because of the messages left at the scene.
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So three of the spent bullet casings were inscribed with the words deny, defend, um, depose.
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Okay.
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Now it directly mirrors the delay, deny, defend, which is a well-known legal and industry mantra used to criticize insurance companies.
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So it goes back to a 2010 book by a guy named Jay Feynman, which exposes systematic strategies used by insurance providers to maximize corporate profits by intentionally avoiding pay paying out claims.
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Sounds about right.
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Yeah.
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That's yeah.
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I mean, there's a lot of people that feel this way, right?
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Uh, that they they pay for their insurance, they go to use it, the insurance doesn't want to cover their costs, right?
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I mean, so this is starting.
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I'm I was gonna ask earlier what his motivation was, but it's I think it's starting to come together here.
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Yeah, it's it's it's gelling a little bit.
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If it is him, right now, we'll we'll get a little more into this.
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Now, it says here that when he was arrested, authorities found a handwritten manifesto detailing his deep resentment toward corporate health care greed.
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Uh, during his plea hearing, Mangi only explicitly confirmed his motive.
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He spent years dealing with extreme unaddressed pain from a broken back while navigating the bureaucratic brick walls of the health insurance industry.
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Um, he admitted he posed as a high net worth investor to get details on the executive conference so he could target corporate leadership directly.
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Pretty telling, huh?
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Let me just say that insurance is um now.
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This is more directed towards like auto insurance, but insurance is insurance at the end of the day, right?
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It's a it's illegal to not have it, but it's not illegal for them to find any reason possible, any semantic possible to not honor the contracts that they sign with people.
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Insurance is bad faith operating.
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And I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often at the end of the day, to be perfectly honest with you.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, I would tell you so I spent a long corporate career in the insurance world.
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And the first part is people think that when they pay for insurance, well, that means that, you know, if I have a problem, the insurance will be there.
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But the reality is that that policy is like Swiss cheese.
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It's riddled with holes and it's riddled with reasons why they're not going to pay you.
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On top of that, you then deal with uh an adjuster who it's a mixed bag.
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You might get someone great, you might get someone terrible.
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You know, you never really know what you're gonna get in that adjuster space when you file that claim.
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Now, I would then take this one step further and say that as somebody who's been in the insurance world, I can understand for-profit insurance on things like property, auto, you know, kind of that kind of stuff.
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Healthcare, I actually fundamentally disagree with this one.
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I was one of the people in the US that said, yeah, there should be national health care.
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Like, yes, because that would drive down the prices of all of this.
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Because typically, like what happens in the US at least is when you go to use this healthcare, they find every reason possible not to pay it, or every technicality that you've never been told about, uh, all these different things that sort of come up, and it's kind of like a bank account that you pay into that when you go to take a withdrawal, then there's a problem, right?
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That's kind of fundamentally how it is here.
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And the thing is, is the lobbyist side, they try to say, Oh, well, you if you go with private insurance, you get choice.
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Yeah, whoop de doo.
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That that doesn't really do a whole lot if it's not covered, you know?
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Yeah, choice of you know, choice of what at the end of the day.
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It's in my own personal opinion, as far as insurance is concerned, like health insurance, for example, instead of paying into a plan.
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My wife and I talked about this, funny enough, with dental insurance, right?
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And we were like, should we get a third-party dental plan?
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And we we did the math, we did the research, and turned out it would just make more sense for us to just put whatever money it would have cost us to pay for insurance into a separate savings account, and then we would have that lump sum of money if we ever needed it for those purposes for dental dental work, right?
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Because, like you just said, these companies find every shortcut and scheme and scam possible to not pay out the money that you give them.
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So, what doesn't it make more sense for you to do the math, figure or do the research, figure out how much it would cost you to pay for medical insurance, for example, and put that money in a separate bank account instead.
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That way you are in full control of 100% of that money.
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Yeah, that's that's a great argument.
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And and you know what's uh interesting with that is that in the US, if you're paying with insurance, the cost of whatever you're having done is like triple.
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If you're paying with cash, it's a fraction of that, and they'll give you the cash price, right?
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So oftentimes in the US, if you were actually paying with cash, it's a fraction of what they're billing the insurance carrier.
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It's cheaper.
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Yeah, don't pay for it, don't pay for it, man.
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Just just put the same amount if you're if your payment would be 250 bucks a month, I don't know, whatever it is, put that in a separate bank account instead.
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That's your medical fund bank account, right?
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Yeah, no one can tell you you can't touch it, right?
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And you know, another thing too is that if you're paying, at least in the US is how it is, if you're paying into the insurance, then you also get what they refer to as the quote golden handcuffs, meaning you can't leave this job because it's tied to your insurance.
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And if you leave the job, then you lose your insurance, right?
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Whereas if you had your own, basically your own plan, you know, you're just simply investing in yourself and saving, you have all the control and you can actually do what you want.
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Well, think about it like this: if you're putting it into a savings account every month, whatever your payment would be, again, that money is yours, it's your money, right?
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You have full control out of 100% of that money.
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If you pay for insurance, not only do you not have control of that money, and do they find a reason to tell you that they're not going to use that money that you'd be giving them for your health care, they tell you, guess like essentially they're they're stealing your money.
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They're saying, Not only do you not get to use that money, we're keeping it, bro.
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It's ours, right?
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Like, yeah, you the money's not yours, it's gone.
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Yeah, it's it's theirs now, right?
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Well, and and and just think about this too like from a health insurance company perspective, I mean, if if that's like a publicly traded company, they have earnings calls, you're listening to how much money they've made that year, health insurance, yeah, you know, hmm.
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A scam.
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It's a scam.
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Yeah, and it you know what this case tapped into also, which I'll probably get into more because I I think I cover this in a little bit, is that there was a lot of like vitriol, especially online after this happened.
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Of a lot of comments are like, yeah, good, he probably deserved it.
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You know, here's my story, here's how they screwed me, right?
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And there were there's just tons of those, an endless sea of here's how the the health insurance totally screwed me when I needed it, and yeah, this this guy probably did deserve it.
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There was like a lot of that online, yep.
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Oh, absolutely, especially in America, especially in America, yeah, yeah.
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Like, I think it was Chris Rock that said it best in one of his HBO specials.
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Uh, he said, insurance is another word for in case shit happens.
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If shit don't happen, shouldn't I get my money back?
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That's funny.
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Well, it you know, truthfully though, at one point in time, I think it's when I think it was during Obama's presidency that um he was trying to get the public option in in the US.
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So basically it would have meant that yeah, you can choose your private carriers, or you could have the public option, which would be like government, right?
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And I remember distinctly listening to like a radio program or something, you know, I was driving somewhere, and there was a guy on there shouting belligerently, you know, he was like one of these tea party assholes that where are those guys today?
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I have no idea.
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The budget is completely blown to smithereens, these people have just disappeared.
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But this guy was one of these Tea Party people at the time, and he was like, I fought in Vietnam and now I'm fighting again, we're not getting no public option, and it's like, uh, like that.
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That's like the US in a nutshell, like voting against your own interests, you know, that's what we do here.
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Yeah, well, absolutely.
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And it I don't know.
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I don't even get me started on the on the politics of Western culture.
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It's you know, politicians, they they don't care about they don't care about um citizens anymore, not just in the states of Canada.
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Like it's it needs a complete overhaul.
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The entire government, uh they could keep like a lot of the a lot of the rules and laws that got put in place to protect politicians and bureaucrats from you know being legally held accountable while they're on the job.
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That stuff all needs to go.
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Um, you know, like here in Canada for prime ministers, we don't have terms.
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That's gotta change.
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Oh, that's weird.
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Yeah, that's gotta change.
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We we've been living in a liberal nightmare here in Canada for the last over a decade now.
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I think it's been like almost two decades.
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It's it's it's enough.
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Yeah, yeah, that's that's crazy.
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And you know, I would say here in the US, we have we have similar problems where I mean we get these people that are in Congress in their 90s.
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That that's insanity, you know.
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And so I don't know who the hell keeps voting for them again and again and again in their 90s, you know.
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What was the guy who who kept like having seizures at press conferences and seizing up?
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And didn't he just be wasn't he just declared like brain dead or something?
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Like he yeah, that was Mitch McConnell.
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He now he's on the Republican side and he was in the Senate, yeah.
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Like press conference standing there, like he errored out, he went uh and he just like froze, you know.
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And then like and like again, not to get too political, but yeah, I would say it if it was a Republican, Biden.
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Biden was too old, you know.
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A great example on the Democratic side though was um um Feinstein uh from California, she was like 94, 95.
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There's a picture of her in a wheelchair, and and she looks like a skeleton in a wheelchair, you know.
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And there's there's just there's no accountability.
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In my opinion, the way we should be handling politicians is really, really simple, both in Canada and the US.
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If you get elected based on promises and you do the opposite of what you promised, you should be fired immediately.
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There should be a lot of people.
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We would have no government.
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Elizabeth Warren, she was elected under the under the guise of fighting against big banks.
00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:48.400
Last year, she literally had big banks writing her bills she was introducing into Congress.
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That is a blatant slap in the face to everyone who voted for her based on her promises to fight against big banks.
00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:02.559
Why is she not fired and held accountable for doing the exact opposite of what she said she was going to do?
00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:04.400
Yeah, right?
00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:19.359
Like it shouldn't be that difficult if you don't do like listen, I I know that all politicians when they when they campaign, a lot of them make promises and they try to follow through on a lot of them, but you can't fall through on 100% of them, and that's fine.
00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:24.720
Sometimes you try as long as you give it the old college try, and everyone sees that you tried, that's fine.
00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:33.200
Yeah, but if you do the opposite, bro, yeah, you did the opposite of the college try.
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Yeah.
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Fired, right?
00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:39.440
Fired.
00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:45.200
Well, anyway, yeah, so we we got problems with health insurance, right?
00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.279
Um, all right, let me let me get back to some Mangioni facts.
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.000
Yeah, we kind of went off the rails there.
00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.920
So, okay, why the police knew it was him?
00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.759
So uh surveillance tracks, so there is security footage.
00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:06.559
That track the shooter from a Starbucks to the hotel scene and later through Central Park.
00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.160
And I think you may have a few of these shots, right?
00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.799
Yeah, so this is two pictures of allegedly him.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Yeah, it these I gotta say, these two stills.
00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:36.720
Um gosh, I mean, uh, is this even the same guy?
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:42.559
Like, I feel like the nose looks different, the jawline looks very different.
00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:47.759
Uh, his just his eyes and the way his eyelashes are, like this.
00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:51.759
I I get it they look similar, but I don't know, man.
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Do you think that's the same guy?
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.039
That doesn't look like the same guy to me.
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.319
Well, I'm looking at his mouth, right?
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.519
That sounds weird, but I'm looking at his mouth.
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:02.079
Yeah.
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.599
Now the guy, I don't know.
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.160
I just the shape of his mouth.
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:23.279
Just you know, if if I go over to if I go over to a clear picture of uh Mancioni now, it just it doesn't look anything close to the same.
00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:30.880
I mean, look at how defined his chin is, the prominent uh distinction between his chin and his bottom lip.
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:34.960
Yeah, it almost looks like he has a a hair patch there, but he doesn't.
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.119
Yeah, that's how much shadow is there, right?
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:46.480
Very, very distinctive uh feature that's you know, and look, but look how short it is, it's very small, it's a very small patch, right?
00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:54.960
Yeah, now if we go back over here again, it's just not the case, right?
00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:01.359
It's just not the case, it looks completely different.
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:18.400
I I get it that I think what's weird about this is clearly there's somebody who's wearing a similar jacket, and it looks like they have some sort of turtleneck or something on, but it doesn't look like it's the same guy, it looks like different faces.
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:25.839
Like I feel like there should be some sort of facial analysis, like with AI or something, to say, is this the same guy?
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.119
Because it I don't know, it doesn't look like the same guy to me.
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.440
Well, you you should be able to.
00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.839
I'm pretty sure AI can do that now, right?
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:36.960
Yeah.
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:44.960
Anyway, anyway, the problem is you can't ask like grok because grok will just pull from police reports.
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.960
Exactly, it won't actually analyze the two photos, right?
00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:50.960
And that's just it.
00:24:51.039 --> 00:25:02.079
Like, I feel like if you did like a true facial analysis, like you said, you'd be looking at those defining features, or like you know, his cheekbones or his eyes or his nose, his mouth.
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.720
Yeah.
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.880
No, it's it's for me, uh it doesn't look anything like them.
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.759
Right, right.
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:17.440
And and that's that's my other point is that in both of these still shots, I feel like neither one of these actually looks like Man Gione.
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:26.480
Well, it says right here, police apparently were unable to identify the suspect in security footage using facial recognition technology.
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:27.839
Yeah, there you go.
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:29.440
So figure that out.
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What?
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:38.480
So they can't even get like even even their facial recognition technology can't verify that that's man mangione.
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.680
How is that possible?
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:43.839
I mean, this is like a computer.
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.079
What do you mean it can't verify it?
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.359
Well, it's it's I mean, think about the wording of it, right?
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:58.960
Um it's it's unable to um there it's unable to ID him as Mangioni.
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:06.240
That's that's uh just kind of a word salad way of saying it's saying it's not him, right?
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.880
It can't verify that that is him.
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.880
Okay, so it's verifying that it's not him, then is what you're saying, right?
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:24.480
But but but you know what's hilarious is in the stuff that I'm looking at right now, it specifically says how the police knew it was him, and it says surveillance tracks, and it says hostile check-in.
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:30.400
That's exactly what we're looking at right now, where it's saying it's not able to identify it's him.
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:35.279
What unbelievable.
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.400
Anyway, all right, let me let me keep going.
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:43.039
So the 3D printed ghost gun.
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So ballistics match the shell casings at the NYC crime scene to a nine millimeter 3D printed plastic ghost gun equipped with a silencer that was physically recovered from his possession, the ghost gun.
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:12.480
Now, I don't know if you've ever heard of this before, but I guess with 3D printers, you can like print the parts for a gun.
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:24.000
Um, but even still, you are gonna need some metal parts because you can't just use all plastic, or I guess the gun itself would just like explode in your hand, apparently.
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.559
A recoil would just destroy the plastic.
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:35.279
Yeah, so it in a way it's it's like a way of of getting a gun without actually going and officially buying a gun, right?
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:42.000
Um now here's here's some uh fact versus fiction of his arrest.
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.079
So this this is weird too.
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.519
So he was arrested at a McDonald's.
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:59.839
Okay, so that this guy that by all accounts, you know, supposedly shot this CEO and is on the run, gets arrested at a McDonald's of all places.
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.599
Um so it says here on December 9th, 2024.
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.599
So five days, only five days is all he made it, right?
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.839
Um, is that the gun right there?
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.920
That's the ghost gun that he used, allegedly.
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:14.799
Interesting.
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.200
Okay, allegedly, right?
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:32.079
Yeah, according to Pennsylvania criminal uh complaint filed after Manjoni's arrest, police found a black 3D printed pistol and a black 3D printed silencer um in a search of his backpack.
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:40.000
CBS news obtained the photo below showing the weapon police say they found.
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So there you go.
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.720
That is a picture of the gun that they found in his the ghost.
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:54.720
Doesn't look plastic, but no, no, it looks it looks like an actual gun, like a I think a nine millimeter, I think is what what he was going for here.
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:55.599
Yeah.
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:58.240
Interesting.
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.599
Okay, so so going back to the McDonald's, and this is where he was arrested, right?
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:11.519
So supposedly an employee at McDonald's recognized him and thought he resembled uh the photos of the suspect.
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:23.519
And so basically the officers approach Manioni at a corner booth, he's wearing a mask, initially handed over a fake New Jersey ID uh by the name of Mark Rosario.
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:30.000
But sorry, there's a there's a lot of things are popping up that don't make any sense to me.
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:31.359
Yeah, go for it.
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:46.000
So, first off, the most advanced facial recognition technology could not could not identify him in from the photos, but some guy in McDonald's thought it was a perfect match.
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.160
Yeah, first of all, first of all, that's does that doesn't make sense to me.
00:29:50.319 --> 00:30:02.799
First of all, yeah, you know that that tells you that somebody at McDonald's was paying attention to the customers in McDonald's, and many of you ever in your life seen that they can't even make a burger properly.
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:17.200
You know, they can't even keep the McFlurry machine running properly, but they're gonna recognize someone at a booth in the corner of the restaurant, yeah, with a mask on.
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.519
With an early mask, he had a mask.
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.440
I was just gonna say part two of that is that he you said he had a mask on.
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:34.720
Yeah, so you not only did you were you able to identify him from pictures on the television, which facial recognition technology was unable to do, but you were able to do it with him wearing a mask, yeah.
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.400
Fuck my friend, phenomenal work.
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:40.240
What are the odds, right?
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:41.599
What are the odds?
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.519
That doesn't add up.
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:48.319
Well, and one more thing is that was at a McDonald's in Pennsylvania.
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:55.680
So he shot supposedly Brian Thompson in New York in Manhattan, but this is in Pennsylvania.
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.160
They just randomly said that's the guy.
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.359
I want to see how far of a drive that is.
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.319
Yeah, this this'll be this'll be funny to from New York?
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.960
Yeah, from uh Manhattan.
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.079
And and why would he go to Pennsylvania also?
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.200
Remember, I told you the family was from Baltimore?
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.759
Like why is he going to Altoona, Pennsylvania?
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:35.759
No.
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:43.680
You know, maybe maybe this has a tie-in to the University of Pennsylvania somehow, because that's where he went to school.
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.480
It's about five hours away by car.
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.400
Okay, how close is it to the University of Pennsylvania?
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:51.759
Altoona.
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.319
I honestly have no idea.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.599
What's his tie to Altoona, Pennsylvania?
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:34.720
Yeah, it's not even close to it's it's it's two hundred and thirty-seven miles away.
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:36.079
Hmm.
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:36.880
Okay.
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.519
All right, we'll we'll put a tack in that one.
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.119
We'll have to come back to that.
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:44.160
All right.
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.200
So regarding the gun.
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:57.839
So the plastic firearm, uh, skeptics are you'd cannot reliably fire multiple rounds, reload, and function with a heavy metal silencer without shattering.
00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:58.559
All right.
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:12.880
Uh, however, modern ghost guns often utilize 3D printed frames like a Glock 19 clone, combined with factory-made legal metal internal parts, slides, and barrels.
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:20.319
The firearm recovered from his backpack was fully operational, and ballistics proved it fired the lethal rounds.
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:33.599
So the gun, then that he was carrying, ballistics have proven that that gun in his possession was the gun that fired the lethal rounds.
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:35.200
Supposedly, yeah.
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.400
Allegedly, yeah.
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:36.960
Yeah.
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:37.519
Okay.
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:38.079
Okay.
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.000
Well, that that's kind of that sucks for him a little bit.
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.240
Well, here's here's the next point.
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.599
Was he set up?
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.559
So the photo discrepancies.
00:33:48.880 --> 00:34:00.960
So rumors circulated that Manioni was a scapegoat because grainy security images of the shooter running away didn't seem to match his build, and certain facial profiles looked different.
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:12.800
This skepticism helped fuel a massive online response where some internet circles labeled him a folk hero, raising over one million dollars for his legal defense.
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:23.280
Uh, however, the theory that he was set up fell apart when his own unmasked face was tied to the local hostel, and he later carried the literal murder weapon and manifesto.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.079
See, I feel like this reminds me of Tyler Robinson with Charlie Kirk.
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.559
Like, it's almost like too perfect, right?
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:42.239
It's like, okay, so on the one hand, you're telling me this guy is the validictorian, he is the smartest kid in the whole high school, a premier, like private school.
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.480
He is Ivy League educated, bachelor's and masters.
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.800
He knows how to print a gun.
00:34:49.199 --> 00:35:08.400
Uh but then but he's in, yeah, but it's but he's equally a complete moron, you know, and and he's going to go into McDonald's and have the gun on him with his manifesto in the backpack just in case they arrest him, right?
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.199
While he's wearing a mask and they've identified him.
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.719
Let me just put all this evidence in one place for you.
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.480
Yeah, yeah, you know, like again, I mean, he was in Manhattan, right?
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:27.360
Like, how hard would it have been for him to literally go to New York Harbor and chuck that gun into the water, you know?
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.400
Yeah.
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.079
Doesn't again, it doesn't make sense.
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:38.559
Uh this is starting to smell more and more like um scapegoat.
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:39.920
Possibly.
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.280
Now, the it it gets more interesting though.
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:50.480
Um, so he uh Mangioni initially entered a plea of not guilty.
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:56.239
Okay, that is how he initially pleaded, not guilty uh during his arraignments, right?
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.000
Uh now, while they formulated their strategy, right?
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.039
However, it says the case took a massive turn in August of 2026.
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:05.760
Okay.
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.559
So it says here, uh the federal guilty plea.
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.920
Okay, so remember before he said he was innocent.
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.760
Now they're going with guilty.
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:16.239
Okay.
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:24.400
So on August 14th, Mangioni bypassed a trial by pleading guilty to two federal charges.
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:31.440
Those charges are interstate stalking resulting in death, and cyber stalking resulting in death.
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.440
Under oath, he openly confessed, stating, I shot Mr.
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.079
Thompson in Manhattan and he died.
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.400
I knew what I was doing was illegal.
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.840
This is what he says, right?
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:43.280
Just like that, like a robot.
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:43.840
Okay.
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.039
Almost like someone wrote it for him.
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.920
That brings me to the next point: the brilliant legal defense strategy.
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:53.119
Listen to this.
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.559
Mangioni's defense team executed a highly strategic maneuver.
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:11.039
So by pleading guilty to the federal stalking charges without a formal plea agreement, they successfully got federal murder and firearms charges carrying the death penalty dismissed.
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:14.000
Interesting.
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.559
I figured there was a reason why he went that.
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:16.960
Yeah.
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:17.519
Yeah.
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.400
So it says here the double jeopardy fight.
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:32.000
Because he is already pleaded guilty and admitted to the core actions in federal court, his lawyers immediately filed a motion to dismiss all New York state murder charges.
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:45.519
They're invoking a unique New York state law regarding double jeopardy, which blocks the state from prosecuting someone for the same continuous transaction or occurrence that was already adjudicated federally.
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:49.599
Wow.
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:50.159
Yeah.
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:51.840
He's got the lawyers.
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:53.280
He's got the lawyers.
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:53.599
Yeah.
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.920
So it says here now the current timeline.
00:37:56.159 --> 00:38:02.320
Manhattan prosecutors were given until October 9th, 2026, to counter the double jeopardy motion.
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:12.159
The New York State murder trial has been postponed indefinitely, with the next state court appearance scheduled for December 10th, 2026.
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:28.800
So Manioni remains in custody and uh and faces federal sentencing on December 18th, where he faces up to life in prison, though his defense is maneuvering to secure a cap term of 24 to 30 years.
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:29.599
What do you think?
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.239
How old is that?
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:32.400
How old is he right now?
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.480
I think they said he's 28.
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:35.519
28.
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.360
So yeah.
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:38.239
Yeah, 28.
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.079
He'd be what in his 50?
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.400
Uh just hitting 60 when he got out, or just around 60 years old.
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.480
Well, and and think about this too.
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:54.079
You know, just because he gets a sentence of 24 to 38 years, yeah, if he's on good behavior the whole time, he'll get half of that, you know.
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.280
Yeah, so he'll be out probably in his late 40s.
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:02.719
Yeah, maybe maybe a decade he'd be behind bars, you know, and then he'd be out.
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:03.599
Yeah.
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.280
Wow.
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.719
Well, I mean, listen, the motive is there, as far as I'm concerned.
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:19.519
They they did establish motive with the whole, you know, but but you could say that about probably a third of American citizens, yeah.
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:20.880
Right, yeah, for sure.
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:21.840
Easy, yeah.
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.840
I mean, the the that motive is not unique to him, first of all.
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:33.679
Um, the rest of it though, man, I smell bullshit.
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.159
It it feels weird.
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.639
It it feels kind of weird.
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.079
Um, let me get into a few more points.
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:43.840
I got more for you.
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.639
So the digital paper trail.
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:52.320
So I kind of went down the rabbit hole of like, does he even have a 3D printer?
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.400
Like, is there proof of this like anywhere or anything?
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:07.440
Like, and you know, he uh according to his quote under oath, I used a 3D printer to make the parts of the gun and traveled to New York with the gun silencer and magazine.
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.000
Where the hell is a stamp printer, right?
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.400
Yeah, I don't know if anybody's found it.
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.400
I haven't read anything about them confiscating it or anything.
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.320
Exactly, yeah.
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:29.119
So it's a they listen when they when they um find that kind of evidence, did they did they omit all the baby oil for Diddy?
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.559
No, no, no, they they picked it up, man.
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.119
Yeah, they pictures everywhere, baby oil palette after another, yeah.
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:45.760
So why would they not mention um why would they not mention the the 3D printer uh seizure then?
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:55.440
Yeah, and and you know what else is that I don't get a good sense of where he was living at the time of this, and we'll get into that in a minute as well.
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.960
That his mom even reported him missing, like literally nobody knew where he was living.
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.679
So what like did he have an address somewhere?
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.360
I mean, obviously, he had this fake ID for Mark Rosario, right?
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.480
But does that go to an apartment?
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.280
Some we've never heard, no one knows.
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.400
Yeah, where's the printer?
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.920
Well, they again they would have announced it.
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.360
There'd probably be pictures.
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.039
Why are there not pictures of the printer uh on the internet?
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:32.320
Uh, this is the printer that he used to create the create the gut the ghost gun.
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.480
Yeah, pictures of the ghost gun.
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.840
Yeah, that that's right up the alley of what they would do.
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.840
Here, here's the printer he used.
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.239
Yeah, okay.
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.199
It's let me I'm gonna look into that while you're talking.
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:54.000
Yeah, this is very weird, the the thing with the printer, because I feel like this is a huge gap in the credibility of the prosecution.
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.760
Is you're saying he printed this gun.
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:57.280
Well, where the hell is the printer?
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.239
You haven't even showed me where he was living, you know.
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.119
Uh he can't just be like traveling with a 3D printer, I'm assuming, right?
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.119
I mean, this is like a big piece of equipment, right?
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.840
Apparently, everything just fits in that backpack of his.
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.519
They stuffed it all into it's like Santa's sack.
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.960
He's got all the evidence in this backpack, you know.
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.239
Yeah, 100%.
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:26.239
Um, okay, so this is interesting as well.
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:34.880
I was wondering, you know, the guy that he supposedly killed, Brian Thompson, was the United Healthcare CEO, right?
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.960
And I thought, well, why would Manioni target him?
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.440
Did he have United Healthcare?
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.239
No, he didn't.
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:49.599
So he again, he does not have motivation to go after stuff.
00:42:49.920 --> 00:43:04.800
So, yeah, so the story is that he did not have United Healthcare, he had other private insurers, but the prosecution side is saying, well, he targeted uh him because they're they're the biggest health insurance carrier.
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:06.639
That did nothing to him.
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:07.840
Correct.
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:09.840
Quick sidebar.
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:18.719
No public uh reports indicate that authorities found or seized the 3D printer linked to uh Luigi Mangioni.
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:36.159
Uh what was recovered was a partial partially 3D printed Glock style 9mm pistol with metal slide and barrel and printed frame and grip, and a 3D printed slicer from his backpack at the time of his arrest.
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.559
Uh, a handwritten note, we know.
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:45.760
So searches of his belongings and the investigation have found uh by the way, a handwritten letter.
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.000
Uh have found I did it, it was me, right?
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:56.320
Uh they've uh they focus on the gun, writings, and other items in the backpack.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.760
There is no mention in court filings, news reports, or official statements.
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.280
Uh of recovering a printer from his residence storage or elsewhere.
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:08.079
Yeah.
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:09.599
So there's no printer.
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:10.239
Okay.
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:20.079
Now, speaking of there being no printer, uh, one of my questions was why would you carry a gun into McDonald's?
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:20.719
Right.
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:30.320
And what came back was that he has no fixed home base, and he's supposedly been living out of hostels and buses, apparently.
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.800
Um and and so I asked, like, well, were there other targets, right?
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.239
Maybe there was like a list of people to take out.
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.280
No, there was no list that existed.
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:43.039
No one's ever seen that.
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.880
And then here's the here's the one that's really going to get your head scratching.
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.360
I could tell you really want to hear this one.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.400
I asked it, Did anyone else know?
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.440
And to date, there is no evidence of co-conspirators.
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:03.519
So the investigation concluded Mangioni acted as a classic lone wolf.
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:10.639
He funded his travel using large reserves of cash and relied entirely on his own technical expertise.
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.599
No one knew.
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:30.079
How do you have a 3D gun printer and you live in a bus shelter?
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:34.079
I don't know.
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.440
So he's just printing guns in bus shelters, apparently.
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:52.800
Well, the story is that after he got his degrees, he got a job in San Francisco in computer science and did that for I think three or four years, but supposedly had this debilitating back issue.
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.440
And then he just kind of like quit.
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:03.199
But there's like a there's a there's a gap in time here of like multiple months where no one really knows where he is or what he's doing.
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.360
I could probably say the same for me.
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:17.039
Hey, whatever you do, don't take your sack of evidence to McDonald's because they will they will find it.
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:17.599
They'll find it.
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.400
To answer your rhetorical question earlier, why would you bring a gun into McDonald's?
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.079
Maybe he was fed up with them saying that the ice cream machine was broken when it's not.
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:27.760
We all know it's not broken.
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.440
Stop lying to us.
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:36.320
Or how about the fact that you used to be able to get what was it like 50 cent cheeseburgers on Wednesday?
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.000
Bring it back, bring it back.
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.599
That's your thing, McDonald's.
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:41.360
Yeah, McDonald's.
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.239
This is I think McDonald's set him up.
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:45.599
Yeah.
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:46.480
Yeah.
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.239
Um now here's what he apparently has.
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:58.960
So his severe spinal defect is known as spondylosis, I think is how they say this.
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:05.840
Um, which basically causes a vertebra to slip forward onto the bone below it.
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:16.480
So the condition caused him chronic unrelenting pain that severely impacted his mobility and mental health, fueling deep obsession with the flaws of the medical industry.
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:30.159
Now, it says here that despite his extensive Ivy League education, so it's two degrees, uh, Mangione was not actively employed at the time of the shooting.
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:39.280
That he had previously worked as a data engineer, but his escalating back pain and physical limitations forced him to leave the traditional workforce.
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:42.880
Yeah.
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.199
I mean, I I've suffered from back pain.
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:45.760
I get it.
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:50.960
Yeah, I mean, back pain is just miserable, right?
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.559
Um, now here's something that's made him infamous.
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.880
And I think you may have this photo also.
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.880
The uh massive police escort photo.
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.199
I mean, that this thing is like ridiculous.
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:11.360
It's like they got every officer in Manhattan to walk with him down this walkway, and he's the only guy wearing orange, and everyone else is black.
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:17.679
Like it's right off a movie, like they're walking with like Bane, you know, or like your your classic villain.
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.719
Yeah, yeah, like this is insane.
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:21.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.159
I mean, how many people are around this guy?
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:28.480
So you're telling me he has a debilitating back issue.
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:44.719
He he's he's literally cuffed, you know, is is he's got the chains, his feet, and you need this show of force of like a hundred officers walking with him, and he is a confirmed lone actor, yeah.
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.320
No, no, no other assailants.
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.440
Look at the guns they're holding around him, too.
00:48:51.599 --> 00:49:01.119
Like, yeah, really, yeah, like this is like this is it's kind of an entourage hanging around.
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.480
Yeah, this is an insane photo.
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:14.320
I remember when they posted this on Reddit, you know, like it uh usually a Reddit post that does well will have like 20, 25,000 likes on it.
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:25.360
This one had like over a hundred thousand, it might have been two hundred thousand, like it it was way beyond everything else, and he looks like he's a villain right out of Batman.
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.000
Like if he had like the two-faced thing on one side, he could be two-faced right now.
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:39.199
Again, guys, jump on over to the Patreon for the video version so you can see what we're talking about.
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.760
Now, I did find there are a couple people that said they knew him, right?
00:49:46.400 --> 00:50:01.280
So apparently he spent some time in Hawaii at a uh at a surf place, and uh the guy who owned it um said he knowed that Manioni was highly social and active when he wasn't completely incapacitated by back pain.
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:10.800
Um, but he he said that the injury made it so dating and being physically intimate was nearly impossible for him.
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:19.280
Now, another friend in Hawaii, this girl, uh Sarah, says that she confirmed um that his physical decline was agonizing to watch.
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:29.039
She stated he ultimately had to leave the surfing community because hiking and surfing began severely, exacerbating his spinal misalignment, right?
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:31.760
Um, even going back to high school.
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:38.000
So here's a high school friend said that Mangioni was quiet, reserved, intelligent, and a nice kid.
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.559
Um here's another one that knew him growing up.
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:48.000
He said Mangioni was never uh particularly political at all, right?
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.719
He was simply a massive tech enthusiast.
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:51.280
Okay.
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.719
And this is interesting, his mother.
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:55.280
Okay.
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:06.239
So when investigators looked into his background, they discovered his mother had filed a missing person report in San Francisco after not hearing from him for months.
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:18.719
Uh, when contacted by the NYPD, she did not immediately know he was the shooter, but shockingly admitted that, quote, it might be something she could see him doing, unquote.
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:19.599
Thanks, mom.
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:20.639
Thanks, mom.
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.519
Yeah.
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.920
Great, great, right?
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:29.519
Now, earlier when I talked about uh how connected this family is, listen to this.
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:40.000
So in um Baltimore, Maryland, so they own multiple country clubs, Turf Valley Country Club, Hayfields Country Club.
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:48.320
They own Laurean Health Services, a massive network of nursing homes and uh assisted living facilities throughout Maryland.
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:56.719
Um, they have uh they've they have a philanthropic effort where they they've given away something like four and a half million.
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:02.079
They even own, this is interesting, a conservative radio station.
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:12.000
And from that radio station, one of his relatives uh came out of who worked at the station for 10 years, he's now a state representative in Maryland.
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:26.000
Okay, so I have a so my question then shifts to if if they have all this money, if his family has all this money, why was he struggling for with back pain?
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:36.239
Like uh yeah, I get that the you know insurance companies wouldn't honor their end of the deal and stuff, but his family had money to take care of him.
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:45.360
Theoretically, um I would say that what I read it said that he he had this vertebrae issue, right?
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:52.000
And then he he apparently had a spinal fusion, and then he still had nerve pain afterwards.
00:52:52.239 --> 00:53:12.559
Now, just in my own personal experience, I knew a guy that had back surgery just like this, and his story to me was that they had fried his nerves, and this is going back years ago, and at the time he was like loaded on oxycontins daily, and some days he he was great, he was like Tigger, you know, just bouncing around, everything's amazing.
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:18.079
And then other days you'd see him, and he could barely even stand up because he was in so much pain with his back.
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:22.159
So maybe that's something similar to what Mangioni has.
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:23.039
Yeah.
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:32.239
So um, now, in terms of uh Brian Thompson, the guy that was killed, right?
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.519
He was 50.
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:40.239
Um, he and his wife were living in separate houses, though still married.
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:55.199
Um, and so with this thing that occurred to him, obviously it's a murder, but uh like I said earlier, there's been a lot of public backlash of is this tragedy or is this karma?
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:55.760
Right?
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.599
And that's what's kind of come through on Reddit, like really loudly.
00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:01.360
Can it be both?
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:03.760
Yeah, possibly.
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:11.039
Now, an another interesting wrinkle here is sort of the fallout that this has had on like corporate insurance companies.
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:18.800
So a lot of them, in the wake of this event of him getting gunned down in Manhattan, have removed their executives from the website.
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:24.239
So now you're starting to see insurance companies where they used to have like the whole C-suite, right?
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:25.679
Everybody was up there.
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:38.159
Um, now they're not there anymore under the threat of this uh this possible, you know, lone gunman shooter idea that any one of them could be killed at any time, right?
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:43.440
Well, you know what would solve that that easier stop screwing people over.
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.559
Right.
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:46.320
Pay the claims, you know.
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.239
Yeah, pay the claims, exactly.
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:53.039
Operate legitimately in good faith, and uh people wouldn't want to kill you.
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:54.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:25.519
Or better yet, you know, uh maybe people just simply need to have their health care taken care of because I mean, let's be honest, in the US, I mean, the US is probably one of the very few um, you know, I would say capitalist countries around the planet that has the the wealth but doesn't pay for the health care of its citizens, all the other developed industrialized nations do, not the US.
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.199
Yeah, yeah, sounds about right.
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:31.199
All right.
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:38.800
So that being said, this whole case in a nutshell, where do you land on this, man?
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.199
Do you think Manioni did it?
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.599
Do you think the facts add up?
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.119
Um, I don't know where you at.
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.639
Well, for me personally, it doesn't add up.
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:56.000
There's there's way too many um things that don't make sense.
00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:08.239
This has all the markings of like we talked about uh the Charlie Kirk case, the the scapegoat uh type situation.
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.800
That's breaks of it.
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:22.159
You know, the thing though with Charlie Kirk is that Tyler Robinson, by all accounts, you know, supposedly he's intelligent as well, but he kind of they make him look like the Patsy, right?
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:29.679
Usually the Patsy isn't too bright, and they don't realize they're the Patsy, like Sir Han Sirhan or Lee Harvey Oswald, right?
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:50.880
But in this case, you have a documented valedictorian Ivy League graduate, bachelor's and master's computer science, and he's so dumb that he's gonna get arrested at McDonald's with everything in the backpack.
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:56.000
What do most scapegoats have in common?
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:57.920
Right?
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:03.280
Uh when we see these cases, they're lone, they're lone wolves for the most part, right?
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:18.480
Yep, nobody here, nobody's really heard from them or anything for such a long time, so he's got no real connections, no, no romantic relationships, no best friends that he hangs out with every single day, no career, um, nothing, right?
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.400
Easily disposable.
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:27.599
Yeah, it's almost like grabbing a homeless person and and making them the scapegoat, right?
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:28.800
There's no there's no connections.
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:37.840
There's there's very few people in the in the scapegoat, the potential scapegoat's life that's going to ask questions, right?
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:40.480
Yeah, great point.
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:48.480
And and you know the the whole like delay or deny, defend, oppose, whatever it was, you know, from the book.
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:49.920
Where's the book?
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.719
I mean, he must have read this at some point, right?
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:59.360
I mean, do we have like an Amazon account with him that shows he bought the book and read the book, or do we not have that either?
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:08.480
Because I mean, that's that's kind of relevant here that somebody scratched that into the bullets that they used to shoot Brian Thompson.
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.920
Is is the 3D printer not necessary?
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:20.639
Like, would you would you would I would think it would be necessary to establish that chain of evidence.
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:25.440
He had this gun that he said he he created with a printer.
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.280
Do you not need the printer to verify that he created the gun?
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:38.480
Well, remember, they tried to say that the so the supposed ballistics findings were that these bullets came from that gun.
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:40.159
Yeah, where'd he get the gun though?
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:45.679
It's the same case, it's the same argument we had with the the JFK assassination, right?
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:52.800
He had he had the gun, Oswald had the gun, and it was his gun, but no one saw him shoot that gun.
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:53.760
Right.
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:56.320
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.599
So so do we truly have proof that Mancioni shot the gun?
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:06.400
I mean, we have this like grainy camera footage that apparently even a computer can't verify that that's him.
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:17.360
And his statement, his his confession is very, very blatantly like written for him.
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.440
Yes, those are not his own words.
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:40.880
No, no, and and what's interesting is he originally pled not guilty for the purpose of buying time to then find a loophole to then plead guilty, which makes me wonder, you know, you're either not guilty or you are guilty.
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:50.320
And in this case, you're you sort of figured out this weird loophole to get around the worst of the charges, and you know you could get out early, you know.
00:59:52.639 --> 01:00:03.360
I mean, it's entirely possible too that the little birdie flew in his ear and said, You're gonna do it this way, and you're just gonna serve a time and get out, and you're you're gonna be our scapegoat.
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:10.079
Or yeah, we know what happened with uh Epstein, right?
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.320
Well, okay, so thinking about Brian Thompson.
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.880
Why would somebody want him dead?
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:17.519
Right?
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:23.039
And now now, granted, he is the CEO of the largest health insurance company.
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:27.039
Like, I feel like there's maybe a story there that we don't know yet.
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.719
How much was his life insurance worth?
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.599
He was married and living in a different house than his wife.
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:35.280
True, true.
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:36.159
I don't know.
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:41.599
Clearly, the relationship was not um a good one, right?
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.320
So, how much life insurance did he have?
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.400
How much did she benefit from this?
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.159
That's where I would go with it.
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:48.800
I don't know.
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.519
Yeah, I mean, you got to think who has the motive, right?
01:00:51.679 --> 01:01:02.480
And in in the case of Mangioni, it sounds like he got the surgery, he got the actual, it's not like he didn't get it, he got the surgery, right?
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:09.440
Yeah, and it wasn't even the the the guy who the victim wasn't even working for a company that Magione was dealing with.
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It doesn't make sense.
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There's there's there's too much.
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There's too much.
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I can't even he didn't do this.
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I'm sorry.
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So you don't you don't think he did it?
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You think he's innocent, you think they planted the gun?
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This stinks to high heaven, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, my my very first thought when I saw this case was I saw the still frames from the camera, and none of them look like the same guy, you know, like the Mangioni that's in court does not look like either one of the still frames.
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And it's like, well, does that mean that there was like a a coordinated effort here somehow with this patsy to and again, he just goes into McDonald's with his Santa sack of evidence and and they recognize him with a mask on at McDonald's?
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:02.079
Come on, at McDonald's.
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:02.880
Oh, yeah.
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:13.599
Well, they do say that you know that they train people so rigorously at McDonald's that you can actually outsmart facial recognition uh technology, you know.
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They do train you at McDonald's to do that, sort of especially in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.440
Yeah, you know, again, another area he has no connection to.
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:33.679
Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't he go shoot a person who not only did that person not do anything to him, but doesn't even work for a company that did anything to him.
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:35.519
It makes perfect sense, right?
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:36.639
Right.
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:45.199
You know, I I think with this thing, I I keep coming back to also this guy is insanely smart, right?
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:59.599
Why it seems like you know, like everything up until the shooting, you could say, yeah, I sort of can see that, but then everything after the shooting, it's like, no, like none of this matches, you know.
01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:34.960
None of it, and it seems to me as we go through more and more of these cases, um, it's like the people covering this kind of stuff up are either getting they're getting lazier and lazier because it's getting, I think it's just getting, it's we live in a time now where it's so easy to just like I guess the the the easiest way to explain it would be if you put out uh the truth, one truth, and a thousand lies, it's hard to figure out which one's the truth, and that's kind of how these things happen now.
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It's just all these red flags, but nobody cares.
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:39.039
Yeah, nobody cares.
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:42.960
This yeah, sure, throw them away, whatever, put them in jail, right?
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.000
Yeah, okay, but none of the evidence points us.
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That's fine, he's probably guilty.
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:51.440
Yeah, well, and think about this too.
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Let's just think about if this is like a political message, right?
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So he's got the words scratched into the bullets, he kills them.
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That's the point, right?
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I mean, it says it on the that's the message.
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Here it says the message delay, deny, defend.
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You're dead.
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That's the message.
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Why would he then need as a confirming message, need a manifesto?
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:22.880
I did it statement, along with the gun in his backpack.
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Like that doesn't make any sense, you know.
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.280
Make this as easy as possible to convict me.
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:30.480
Yeah.
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:35.440
You know, if I just carry on all the evidence on me, you know.
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:36.639
Exactly.
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:46.880
Like, if if he wanted to be caught, why not just buy the gun legally, shoot the guy, and then they'll know it was you and go turn yourself in.
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.880
But he didn't do any of that.
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Exactly.
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.320
No, it's he didn't do this, doesn't make sense.
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:55.039
I'm sorry.
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:57.280
Yeah, I I don't think he did it either.
01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:59.920
I I feel like somebody is pinning this on him.
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:13.360
And you know, going back to the back pain thing, every every time I've seen him, like like in you know, the courtroom or that photo or any of these things, it's never like, oh man, this guy looks like he's just dying.
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:14.719
He's in tons of pain.
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:19.519
He looks like he's just walking down the street, you know, he looks like he's sitting there absolutely fine.
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And I mean, I'm sure you know as well as I do, like if you have back pain, you're sitting and you sit in bad chairs, it is like awful, right?
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You're cooking exactly.
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So you're telling me he's in a prison cell with a mattress and concrete block, and he's just doing great, and you know, and he shows up and all the women are like, Oh, it's Magione, oh my god, you know, and he's like winking at everybody and shit.
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I mean, come on, man.
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:51.519
Like, does he even have the level of back pain that they're trying to make it look like he has?
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.239
Not from the photos I'm looking at.
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.960
I was thinking that actually when I was looking at the photos earlier.
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He looks like he's in really good shape for somebody like with with the severe back pain.
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:10.639
And you know, he he looks like he's not really having much of an issue here.
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:18.320
No, he he is very athletic, and I mean he looks like he has like a six-pack, maybe even an eight-pack, for all we know.
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Apparently, he spent a lot of time at this surfing hostel.
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:24.480
So he's a he's a surfer.
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Um, he's highly athletic, and and now he's just debilitated to the point of that he's gonna go kill this this guy and have this whole planned so he doesn't get caught, but then he's gonna blatantly get caught.
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:46.320
But he suffers from debilitating back pain, but he's a surfer?
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:47.760
Yeah, what?
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:51.760
Yeah, I don't think so.
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:59.039
Again, it doesn't I refuse to buy it.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, I'll keep my money.
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.000
Okay, okay.
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:10.239
I think I think where I stand on this one is I I think I'm in agreement with you, man.
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.679
I think the shift did it again.
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I I don't see how this is the guy.
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.519
I I think it's a setup.
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.079
The shift solves another one.
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:30.400
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The links in the uh in the description.
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01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.039
Uh, do you have any closing thoughts?
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:51.920
I guess my only closing thoughts would be this is still ongoing, right?
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:56.320
And I think more of this story is going to unfold over time.
01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:02.880
And I feel like large pieces of it are not being disclosed likely purposefully.
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:29.199
And I think they're sort of making him out to be the shooter, but I do wonder if this, you know, quote, backpack or whatever was planted or maybe swapped, or it's it's just I don't know, it's too sloppy for a guy that's this smart and for a guy that's this athletic that has this crippling problem, and then he kills the CEO of the company he's not even dealing with.
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.920
Wouldn't he wouldn't he kill one of them?
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I don't know.
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:37.039
It doesn't add up, man.
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.000
There's there's way too much that doesn't add up.
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.079
So well, he's not guilty.
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Not guilty.
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.720
I'm looking forward to doing a follow-up episode of this, though.
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.920
Um as more evidence comes to light.
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:59.439
Uh, but I think they're gonna try to quietly sweep this one under the rug because it's a he's a pansy or a pot pansy?
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:02.159
Patsy, he's a pansy too.
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.640
Um he's a pansy Patsy.
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:13.840
Um I think they're gonna try to just make this one go away quietly, send him off to jail for a decade and call it a day, right?
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:25.039
Yeah, but yeah, you know what I would really like to know is who who possibly had a motive here, you know, like like you mentioned uh the the current wife that's living in a different house.
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:26.159
Was there a motive with her?
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:27.119
Maybe, maybe not.
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:27.760
I don't know.
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:31.439
I mean, maybe she'd have no motive because she already was living in a separate house.
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.520
I mean, I don't know, but maybe there's someone else.
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:41.359
That's where my mind goes, is uh who's who benefits financially from this, right?
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:42.239
Yeah.
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:44.560
So yeah, great point.
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:51.680
And maybe, you know, here's another thing is we don't really know the state of the company that he was leading, this United Healthcare.
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:59.039
We don't know if there were you know significant investors that took something into their own hands, maybe.
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:00.239
I don't know, you know.
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:06.399
I mean, again, like you said, the the motive has to be around money on this one, one way or the other.
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.720
So who would have the money motive?
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:13.119
Well, not uh not Magione.
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:14.960
No, there's no money mode.
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.039
He doesn't need the money, yep.
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:17.920
Yeah.
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:22.239
Well, I think we've solved another one.
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Like I said, um, I apologize for being uh being this sick.
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Uh my mind is not functioning in full capacity, but uh we will be back, guys, on Wednesday for another exciting episode.
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God bless and shift out.