Andy Thomas

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intro We just talked for another two hours on
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a different podcast. So talking is hard Talking
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is difficult. It's good thing. This is an audio
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only medium. It's good thing We uh, yeah, we
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got a good we got a good one about Hollywood
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coming to you But it's informative It is informative,
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but that's not what this is. This is something
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else. This is not. I was going to say it was
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also very personal. This is not informal, informative
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or personal. What, this intro? This, whatever
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it is, you and I are doing right now. Oh no,
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it's not great. The episode doesn't suck. No,
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the episode's great. We recorded it on a different
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day and when it was the only thing we did. So,
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you know, we were sharp. It's on point. Prepared.
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Not now. Clear and surprisingly easy to masturbate
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to. Wow. What is that from? The Jim Downey norm
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joke. Okay, right. About the alien penthouse
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magazine, right? The pictures are sharp, clear,
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and surprisingly easy to masturbate to. If you
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want to hear a good podcast, go listen to Jim
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Downey on Conan. Yeah, that's a good one. Anyway.
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Hey, what do we have going on? I don't know man
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snow like I mean, it's just nopocalypse as they
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say it's fine It sucks, but it's fine. It's not
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ice bunch people got ice. Yeah, you might be
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stuck inside I ran out of power briefly, but
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that was fine. You ran out of it. You used I
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used it up Man, I gotta get better with my power
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usage or rations your power better. No Duke broke
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my power Yeah, that's really ridiculous. I was
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zero degrees But didn't they like plan to break
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it basically and something broke doing some street
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work, right? So it's their fault. Yeah, so they
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were like, it wasn't just that it was cold and
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like there was a storm It was like hey, we fucked
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up. No, it was pre now. There's a I got text
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It was like hey, you know in a couple days, there's
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gonna be the worst store snowstorm You're not
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gonna have power for some of that. So we're your
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energy company So yeah, this is also the energy
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company that undercharged many people and then
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made them pay them back. Yeah so like one month
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I had like Almost an a thousand dollar energy
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bill. Yeah monopolies are awesome. Aren't they?
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Yeah, and they were just like sorry It's fucking
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stupid. I'm just a corporation Okay, what do
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we have what do I want to talk about? We're about
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to have Some new stuff come out. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
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tell us about that can't yet. Oh shit. You gotta
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see it But there are every things that match
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We're we're gonna have some cool things coming
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up that I don't want to discuss these things.
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You're too far from them Are these things to
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wear? Some. Is this what you're talking about?
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Some are to wear, some are not. Some are just
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to look at? Some are to have, they're items.
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Some to eat? No, nothing to eat. Okay. But we
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have a couple interesting projects in the works
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right now. I'll talk about one, because I ordered
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it, we got a couple skateboard decks. Really?
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Yeah. Alright. With our shit on them. I like
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that. Yeah. That sounds cool. They will be cool.
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You can use them, you can hang them on a wall,
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doesn't matter. We also have some other things.
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I don't want to talk about them because they're
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secret those other things They might not pan
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out. So if they don't pan out I don't want to
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be like we're gonna have this and then never
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do it actually for someone who operates the way
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you do That's probably for the best. What do
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you mean? Because you know, you're a gung -ho
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go fast kind of guy Sometimes if you plan it
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out too much, you're gonna lose stuff in the
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process You know, sometimes, you know, you have
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an idea and you just doesn't they can't all be
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winners like There's been a couple things I've
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been like it's a great idea and then I Do the
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first steps then I get to the point where I have
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to make it and I go. Oh, this isn't even possible
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Yeah sick Should I checked into that It doesn't
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matter. Um, there's you know, it's the middle
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of winter, but there's some Bike shows and events
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that are coming up. I want to talk a little bit
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of shit. I saw a video From an event in California.
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It's all a lot of familiar faces um and i saw
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a lot of people that i just got real annoyed
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at because they pretend these are not the familiar
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faces i want to clarify um those people are fine
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partially because i know they actually uh know
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how to work on a motorcycle you know what i mean
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this is a video of a bike show it's video of
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a bike show where none of the bikes run None
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of the bikes probably I don't know California
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bullshit. There's a lot of people dressing up
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for Instagram and Yeah, you know looking like
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they're sub plan sub playing They're cosplaying
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the subculture cosplaying a subculture. Yeah,
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and it's it's very silly. There's There was one
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guy in there that three different people including
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myself picked out as being just dogshit. That
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was pretty funny You look that poor guy such
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a dick. Sorry if you're out there if you're listening
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to this Yeah, I don't know man, but if you want
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to go to some stuff that's not that You should
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check out take a shit on one thing and then throw
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you another Yeah, you should check out a party
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at the pen. I enjoy that definitely not dogshit
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No, and many of the bikes do run Not all of them
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though. Yeah, not all of them. You don't like
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that. I don't like that, but I do like the event.
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It's a good time. It also happens in the summer.
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I like that. Yeah, June 6th and 7th. We have
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an episode with Luke Morris from Part of the
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Pen from like two months ago that we get way
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more into that. Do go pretty into that in depth.
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Yeah in July if you're in the Northeast, there's
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a show called idle hands Okay done by the lowlife
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podcast guys. All right, we're gonna have like
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a little episode of them Talking about it coming
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out. Okay and then In October My personal favorite
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is Germantown hoedown. That's really good one
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3 4 5 2 3 4 whatever the weekend of that is.
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Yeah That is in Maysville Germantown, Kentucky
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All of those bikes that are there run. That's
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right every single one because people rode them
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there So that's it's a fun time. It's a good
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weekend. It's very old school in terms of bike
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events And how they're set up. It's a great event
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That would be going to check out check them out
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on Instagram check out all these on Instagram
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And if October seems like it's too far away It
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sneaks up on you. It does. As we learned last
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year. You weren't there for that joke, but it's
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funny. Isn't it great when people tell like inside
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jokes that you were not privy to? I was just
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sharing it with the guests. No, I enjoyed it.
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But there's like four people in the world that
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know what that means. They're bricked up right
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now. Anyway. Yeah, so you know, we got a bunch
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of that. Got a bunch of stuff, man. Stuff and
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things. Once it gets to be warmer, it'll be a
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lot more fun. But anyway, this is an episode
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with Andy Thomas. He just put out his debut record.
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It was produced by Dave Schools from Widespread
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Panic. And he was wearing one of our shirts in
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a picture that they posted for the promo of this
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album. Just want to point that out. Would you
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like everyone to know that Dave schools was wearing
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one of your shirts? I just said it It was a dead
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shirt. I made a while ago But this album by Andy
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Tom is called Highway Junkie. It is out now.
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It is a rock and roll record Would you put it
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that way? I say I would say it's a rockin record
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Yeah, awesome He he'll be you know, you can check
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out his tour dates That'll be a now he's playing
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Florida coming up. So if you're in Florida go
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check that out. Um But you can look into his
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tory dates on his socials and his website Are
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you laughing? I I just forgot all that and you
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remembered it very nicely. Yeah. Yeah, you want
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to know how nope It's on the boss It's a good
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thing you've got them every for it No, this is
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this is my secret before we do an intro for a
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musician I go to their instagram and see if they
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have tory dates published And then I go, oh Florida,
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we'll bring that up. It's a very good move. It's
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a very good move. Yeah, it's fucking classy.
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This is why the PR people reach out to me. This
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and this mess intro. And all the editing. And
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all the editing. But yeah, you can see more of
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him on his socials and his website. You can find
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his website on his Instagram. You can also listen
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to the record wherever you get your records.
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Yeah, do that. Here's the episode. Here it is.
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Okay, so now it's being recorded we have thanks
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for moving the day that we did this yeah a bunch
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of snow Yeah, and I don't I do not do snow. I
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don't love it. It's still around Where do you
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live? Boyden Beach, Florida, South Florida Okay.
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Yeah, you don't do snow No, not anymore. I grew
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up in Virginia and actually my sister just Texted
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our family group chat today first snow and like
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her kittens paws in it, I was just like, I was
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like, no, thank you. Where in Virginia did you
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grow up? Goochland County, just outside of Richmond.
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OK, I grew up in DC and my dad lived in Fredericksburg.
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Oh, cool. So I always have to ask. I went to
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school out in Goochland and then I lived down
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in like, you know, around the fan in Richmond
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for, you know, probably a decade or so after
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that. I've been to Richmond exactly one time.
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Even though we were that close. Yeah, only it
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was for a wedding. It seemed cool I don't know.
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I don't know that much about Richmond, Virginia,
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honestly Yeah, it is cool. I mean it was a good
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place to grow up. I just had to I just had to
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get south Did you did you start playing music
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there? I did. Yeah Yeah, I started playing music
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when I was like 10 Okay, my dad always played
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for fun and had a strat around the house and
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you know he'd play along he didn't really have
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a band or anything he just like kind of played
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along with like Eric Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughan
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the best I always thought it was cool so I think
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I think I was in like third grade I like sparked
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the interest I was like man I really want to
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play so I saved up some kind of you know whatever
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was coming in at that time birthday money or
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I don't know something like that and bought a
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real cheap Yamaha strap. Realized I couldn't
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play the note. I threw that in my little pig
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nose amp in the back of my closet. I was like,
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well, you know, it wasn't for me. And then I
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think like in fifth grade, I saw some buddies
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play like our talent show. And I was like, man,
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I really want to do that. So I pulled it back
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out. And I was like, you know, I Just after school
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started, I was like, yeah, let's play guitar,
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let's play guitar. And then basically just like
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stole always like Skinnerd and Stevie Ray Vaughn
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and albums and just like every day after school
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was just like huge 90s headphones into the receiver.
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I could hear the record playing back to me. So
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it was like it was fairly quiet, but you know,
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I was just like we're in everything that I could
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So did those your dad's records? I'm always interested
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in like what people grew up listening to because
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it affects them as adults So what your parent
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what were your parents into and is that why you're
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playing what you're playing? Yeah I mean that
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music always stuck with me. I mean it for the
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most part. It was like it was skinnered one more
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from the road It was, the first Stones I heard
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was Love You Live. So it was like all these live
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versions of like my favorite artists. It was
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Stevie Ray Vaughan, Clapton, Frampton. Just like
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a lot of the Southern rock and blues stuff. And
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in the car, my parents had two seats, well, maybe
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three CDs. It was Travis Tritt Trouble. Dixie
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Chicks, Wide Open Spaces, and then that was like
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both of their car CDs and then they'd like compromise
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on Garth Brooks. Nice. Fantastic. That one more
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for the road record is fucking incredible. Dude,
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it was the first life -changing record for me,
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for sure. I was like going to school. listening
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to that, you know, like Needle and the Spoon
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from that album, and I'm just like, man, this
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song fucks. I gotta tell them. All day at school,
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I'm like, I gotta figure this out when I get
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home. And I just like, it's such a good building
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block for like a guitar player, because it's
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like, you got the like, three killer guitar players
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to learn from. You know, I'm like, picking up
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the strat, learning the Ed King, Steve Gaines
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stuff, then I'm like, picking up the Les Paul.
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Learning the Gary stuff and then of course Wasn't
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too long before I was like I was like I needed
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an explorer Learning all the Alan common stuff
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and it's like getting so much education from
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one band, but you know, like three monster players
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It was it was sick. Well, they also like you
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can hear how cool of a band that is through the
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record You know what? I mean, like just let's
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get there saying Just the vibe with like that
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T for Texas when he introduces Steve Gaines and
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he's like we'll show you how an oakey plays or
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something yeah yeah yeah even though there's
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like the stage banner is just like stuck in my
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head it's like let's do some old home and yeah
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yeah dude ronnie van zandt yeah i love i love
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it all well that dude like i get interested by
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certain leading dudes right because like Mick
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Jagger you look at him and you're like perfect
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front man you know but then you look at like
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Ozzy Osbourne or Ronnie Van Zandt and you're
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like how do they do I don't know like on paper
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you're not a particularly great front man you
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know you're not like crazy energy but you're
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amazing you don't have like the best voice in
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the world it's a good voice but it's not the
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best right you know you're not the best looking
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yeah you're not the best looking dude alive but
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for some reason whatever they had going on sold
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the entire package of the band. Definitely. You
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know, and that's frontman confused me. I mean,
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I think, you know, the songwriting plays a big
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part. And then I mean, some of those guys are
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just like great, like leaders. It's just like,
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you know, they're just very, you know, very convincing.
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You know, everything is I don't know that, you
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know, obviously like Ronnie Manson had to be,
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you know, very convincing of his vision and idea
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to the band, but then it's also to the audience,
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you know, so he believes in them and the audience
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believes in them. And it's like, that's powerful.
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Like one of the things we we've been doing polls
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on our Instagram stories. So like we had like
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an actor's one and like a band and musician one
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and all that. And the thing that interested me
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the most was like the actor was Clint Eastwood.
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and the band or musician in general was Leonard
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Skinner and I started thinking about it and I
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was like it's like the same thing like they're
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really similar because they appeal to like middle
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of like middle America entertainment kick -ass
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guitars Clint Eastwood two guns shooting people
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on the ground but also people like you know high
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art coastal elite people right will be like there's
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subtext to it you know so that shit fascinates
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me because you know they're Acts that like encompass
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the entire range of what people are looking for
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in art, you know Yeah It's a cool. It's also
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profoundly American You know, like there's not
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another place so you're growing up in Richmond,
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Virginia, when did you leave there? February
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2021 Oh, so you like started like as an adult
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there, too Oh yeah, yeah, I've been down here
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for almost four years. Okay, so what's the scene
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in Richmond, Virginia about? Like what's that
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like? Richmond's got a cool scene. I don't know,
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I'm not too hip to what it's like or how it's
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become in the past like four years, but I mean
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like really trying to make a splash with I had
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a band with my brother like in my 20s. which
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actually my old man played bass for when we were
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getting our start. But coming up with that band
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around town, the music scene was just thriving.
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You could go out and see a kick -ass band seven
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nights a week. People wanted to go see music.
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People were partying. People were out all night.
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It was a cool scene. And a lot of like, I feel
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like a lot of the venues that you could go see
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that at close since like COVID. Yeah, it's the
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same in DC. Yeah, that's the same in Athens,
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Georgia. Yeah, like all the spot like the spots
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like, like aren't there anymore. You know, from
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the 2020 mark. So it's like, you know, that I
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know that has a lot to do with it. And then people's
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people's minds. changed since then too. You know,
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it's like, this has changed how people, I don't
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know, go out, spend money, what's living now.
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I mean, shit. I love getting to bed by nine now.
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It's awesome. Whenever I agree to go do something,
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and then that day comes, I go, fuck! Checking
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the time, like, this was fun, but it's time to
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go! How old are you? 34. Okay, so I'm 29. And
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when I grew up, like in DC, you know, I didn't,
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I was like in the punk thing, we had like a third
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wave of it. And we were like, this is the shit
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I never heard about Richmond in any capacity.
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But also I wasn't listening to like Southern
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rock or Americana live. It was all punk like
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skate shit. Were you guys like traveling to DC
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to see shit? Or was it like a small encompassed
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scene in Richmond itself? I definitely drove
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up to go see some shows at like 9 .30 and I'm
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trying to think where else. Like Black Cat shit?
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What's that? The Black Cat? Have you ever been
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there? No, I haven't. Okay. Most of the places
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again are fucking closed. I mean, you see, I've
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played like, you know, Hamilton live, all the
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spots on the wharf, Pearl Street. Union State
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Union stage Yeah, so I left DC in 2018. No 2014.
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That was a lie And the last time or one of the
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last times I was there I went down to that waterfront
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Yeah, I was just like what in the fuck is this
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like? This didn't this was nothing It's dude,
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it's entirely concocted like it didn't exist
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Yeah, it was nothing there. And then I'm walking
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down and this is a whole fucking town. It just
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came up. Yeah, and like the anthems down there,
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which is where a lot like Charlie Crockett whenever
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he goes to DC plays the fucking anthem. All right.
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Yeah, that's why. Yeah. I'm Charlie. We just
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we just saw him on my birthday. I was out in
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Idaho and he played the whatever it was called
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Soldier Field or something. It's like an old
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prison venue. He played on my birthday and we
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had a day off. I was like, we're gone. He's a
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great show. I mean, shit. I've seen him almost
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every like, kind of step along his path. I saw
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him open for BJ Barham and Richmond from American
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Aquarium solo to like, you know, a few people.
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Better the first time I saw him was like 2018
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and every time I'm like, this is better. This
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is better It was good before but it's just constantly.
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Yeah evolving, you know, and I think that's I
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don't know I'm not a musician, but I think as
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a musician it's probably Definitely evolving,
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you know the band songs it I mean every time
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I was like blown away even more so do you not
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like steel shit, but like get inspired by seeing
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other people play and try and morph it into your
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act? Yeah, 100%. It seems, I mean, it's not stealing.
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It's just, yeah. Yeah, I love, I mean, you know,
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I love going to see music, but, you know, in
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the back of my mind, it's, you know, it's always
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like doing some homework, trying to, just trying
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to see what works or like what made me, what
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moved me. And like, how can I, how can I do that?
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You know, from my point of view. Right. Yeah,
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to me, like with live shows, I'm a big, like
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grateful dead guy. Right. And so, you know, I
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went down a rabbit hole when I was like, I think
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it took me until I was like 20 to get to click
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for it to click. And it was it was it was that
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that is it 76 the dead set double disc album
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that like did it for me. Oh, no, that's 72. It's
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also skull and roses in there and a couple others,
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but it's not that one. Okay. Once that shit clicked,
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I went down the fuck. I mean, I was I was full,
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you know, I was couldn't get enough dead learning
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like the whole catalog. I mean, it was all it's
00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.960
such a good vocabulary to learn as a musician.
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That's a good way of putting it. Yeah. I mean,
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it's again, that's like a profoundly American
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band as well. Like everything they're doing is
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a different aspect of American music. Yeah. Often
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morphed together. You know, I also always find
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it interesting how people get into the dead,
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like what makes it click. Like I had heard them
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and there was shit I liked. And I was at an open
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mic night with my buddy and he was playing. This
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was like 2019. And this lady who was also his
00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:57.809
drug dealer at the time did sugary. And for some
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reason, this drug dealer hippie lady doing sugary,
00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:04.450
I was like, wait a fucking second. Dude, that
00:24:04.450 --> 00:24:06.430
was one of the songs that did it for me too,
00:24:07.210 --> 00:24:11.009
man. Of course, I knew like, you know, the ones
00:24:11.009 --> 00:24:14.250
like everyone kind of knew, but it was like the
00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:19.250
sugary of that album. I was like, what is this?
00:24:19.289 --> 00:24:22.359
I was like, this is awesome. Don't know. Yeah
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.519
that that that was a monumental song for me I
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.519
think that one gets a lot of people for some
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reason, you know, cuz it's not like one of the
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:35.660
main cuts, but it's still around You know, you're
00:24:35.660 --> 00:24:37.420
not listening to like caution. Don't step on
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the tracks being like, oh It's a horrible fucking
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entry point, okay When you left Richmond to move
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to Florida, was that a musical choice or a weather
00:24:56.230 --> 00:25:00.950
choice? Or COVID? It was a life choice, dude.
00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:04.190
I had to get out, get the fuck out of Richmond
00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:10.789
and I just had to, I needed something new to
00:25:10.789 --> 00:25:14.970
spark something new. And I actually, I went down
00:25:14.970 --> 00:25:17.609
to visit my brother and Ended up just staying.
00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:19.630
I just didn't take my flight home and I was like
00:25:19.630 --> 00:25:21.849
I'm gonna figure out a way to make this work
00:25:21.849 --> 00:25:24.950
Did you already love the South like because there's
00:25:24.950 --> 00:25:26.670
something special about the South I fell in love
00:25:26.670 --> 00:25:29.849
with Athens, Georgia when I was 18 And I lived
00:25:29.849 --> 00:25:31.910
I spent about 20 years there and there's just
00:25:31.910 --> 00:25:34.829
nothing like it Specifically Athens, but also
00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:37.150
specifically the South in general just has a
00:25:37.150 --> 00:25:38.730
certain magic to it Did you already love that
00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:40.250
when you moved to Florida or did you discover
00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:43.809
it there? Well, I feel yes, I love the South
00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:48.079
and just I feel like, I feel like I'm so far
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:54.900
south. It's like New York again. That's good.
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:58.440
Yeah. My old Jewish grandma lived down there.
00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:02.480
But, um, I mean, of course the weather's great,
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.779
but I was just like, man, I wasn't playing music.
00:26:06.099 --> 00:26:10.359
I was, I was doing tile and bathrooms for a buddy.
00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.720
And I was like, I just told my dad I'd go home
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.670
and like, When I got back, I was going to start
00:26:16.670 --> 00:26:20.950
working for the place he worked for like being
00:26:20.950 --> 00:26:23.670
a lead for like deck builds and stuff. And I
00:26:23.670 --> 00:26:27.230
was just like, I would, the main thing is I wasn't
00:26:27.230 --> 00:26:29.250
doing music. And I was just, you know, it's just
00:26:29.250 --> 00:26:32.670
drinking and doing blow and just the same old
00:26:32.670 --> 00:26:35.450
shit. And I, you know, it had this trip planned.
00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:37.829
Um, I was visiting my brother. We went to go
00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:41.910
see the Eagles and I booked us a little acoustic
00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:45.859
show. Down there and at the end I just like crashed
00:26:45.859 --> 00:26:48.599
with them for a couple of days. I was I was just
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:54.059
like Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna go home I
00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:56.559
Think I'm gonna make this work and his landlord
00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.819
at the time was was like a big influence on that
00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:04.680
He was an older guy He was like, what are you
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.140
going back up north for it's February breathing
00:27:08.140 --> 00:27:10.880
up there it's like some work i got some stuff
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.099
around the house you know we'll figure it out
00:27:13.099 --> 00:27:17.660
with your bro and oh man i just said fuck it
00:27:17.660 --> 00:27:22.660
yeah i gotta do this i'm just gonna go back home
00:27:22.660 --> 00:27:25.940
and just do the same old shit and it was it was
00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:28.519
the best decision of my life which then led to
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.319
the next best decision of my life which was getting
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.460
sober okay yeah i did i did that too that was
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:41.339
a big help Yeah, so I didn't move I didn't move
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:44.720
down to the silver capital of the world to get
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.960
sober But I just happened to land right and then
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:53.319
later on Just you know personal choice You gotta
00:27:53.319 --> 00:28:03.119
come by it naturally Yeah, yeah Life I definitely
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.619
love down here and it's an it's I mean I love
00:28:05.619 --> 00:28:10.740
going home to off the road sure I Like flying
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.279
in and driving in and seeing palm trees in the
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:18.079
Sun out Yeah, I mean it's shit and cold outside
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.619
here right now and it kind of bodes me out for
00:28:20.619 --> 00:28:24.680
six months. Yeah, I'm Coming to Kentucky Which
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.259
is basically Cincinnati. Yeah. Yeah, it's just
00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:32.480
across the river from since II I've definitely
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.160
been there. Have you played Southgate House in
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.599
Newport? I don't know. I know I've been there.
00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:45.460
I cannot remember why. A lot of people say that.
00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:50.079
Yeah, I think it's my 75. Yeah, there's a certain
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.119
vortex around here because it's the thing with
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:57.559
the most gas stations for a little while. So
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.960
you moved to Florida, then you ended up going
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.980
off and having a solo career, obviously, and
00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:09.099
recording an album. What was that process like
00:29:09.099 --> 00:29:11.880
from deciding to stay there to actually getting
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:19.579
the album done? Well, I say I fucked off for
00:29:19.579 --> 00:29:22.480
like a year. I got a job down here. I was, you
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.319
know, having fun, enjoying the new, you know,
00:29:26.539 --> 00:29:33.930
place, life. Then the day after my 32nd birthday,
00:29:34.029 --> 00:29:38.529
I was like I'm gonna get sober and I'm gonna
00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:42.730
make a record and I'm just gonna go like full
00:29:42.730 --> 00:29:47.930
force with us like just all in So it took me
00:29:47.930 --> 00:29:52.450
from that point. It took me about a year of like
00:29:52.450 --> 00:29:56.009
Getting in a lane blinders on head down writing.
00:29:56.210 --> 00:30:01.039
Yeah every day I basically just started like
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.039
working as much as I could and writing as much
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:09.480
as I could. And then probably a little over a
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.000
year went by and I was sitting on like 30 songs
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.240
trying to figure out my next step. And I just
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.000
like snapped at work at Buckingham Depot. And
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.630
I was just like. Let me see what Dave's school
00:30:22.630 --> 00:30:25.210
is doing if he wants to produce my record. So
00:30:25.210 --> 00:30:27.750
I just like started, I just started making moves.
00:30:27.789 --> 00:30:29.930
I was like, I didn't even think about anything.
00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:33.630
I just, from that point on, I just started like,
00:30:33.910 --> 00:30:37.950
I'm just like, yes, yes, do this, do this. Like,
00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:41.650
and shit just started rolling. How do you know
00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:45.130
Dave? From Richmond, he's a Richmond native as
00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:49.470
well. And we met. We met probably like 12 or
00:30:49.470 --> 00:30:52.849
13 years ago. I was playing with some of his
00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:57.509
high school buddies, like Little River bar gig.
00:30:57.910 --> 00:31:03.029
And he came out and just to see us play. And
00:31:03.029 --> 00:31:05.809
I met him, you know, like set break or after
00:31:05.809 --> 00:31:10.170
something. And so we met then. And then right
00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:14.890
before COVID, my brother and I's band did an
00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:20.259
EP with him. We like just came back from a European
00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:23.039
tour went and straight in the studio with Dave
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.579
cut a few songs and then Basically by the time
00:31:27.579 --> 00:31:30.480
we were ready to like do something with it COVID
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.400
hit the band imploded we had like no money to
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.940
do anything with it. So it kind of was just like
00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:41.940
a Bummer like an unfinished thing So that was
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:43.940
that was one of the main reasons why I like circled
00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:48.990
back Okay went with Dave I was like, we got some
00:31:48.990 --> 00:31:51.750
unfinished business. Let's go make something
00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:56.890
great. Fuck yeah. I mean, he's also in a pretty
00:31:56.890 --> 00:32:00.329
fucking good rock and roll band. Yeah, this little
00:32:00.329 --> 00:32:03.470
band from Athens, Georgia called Widespread Motherfucking
00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:06.950
Panic. Yeah, that was another one. Oh yeah, I
00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:12.930
forgot. Yeah, he forgot. That's another... I
00:32:12.930 --> 00:32:15.849
like like two jam bands, and it's the Dead and
00:32:15.849 --> 00:32:19.349
Widespread Panic. um really like i think all
00:32:19.349 --> 00:32:21.890
the other ones can fuck off like i tried to like
00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:24.910
fish and i just couldn't uh i went to a show
00:32:24.910 --> 00:32:30.269
and everything just didn't do it um but i mean
00:32:30.269 --> 00:32:33.930
although widespread is like clearly a rock and
00:32:33.930 --> 00:32:36.890
roll band in a lot of ways you know and they
00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:40.190
got the rock and roll they got the swamp they
00:32:40.190 --> 00:32:43.630
got the you know they got the georgia thing it's
00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:48.130
tough let's get you know it's good songs They
00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:50.650
jam, but they you know, they rocked here. It's
00:32:50.650 --> 00:32:53.349
fucking awesome Yeah, I mean there's like the
00:32:53.349 --> 00:32:56.569
panic in the streets tall boy is one of my favorite
00:32:56.569 --> 00:33:00.109
things anyone's ever put on record Just cuz the
00:33:00.109 --> 00:33:01.789
whole time like I'm like, I'll be driving and
00:33:01.789 --> 00:33:07.410
I'll look down. I'll be like I'm going 95 It's
00:33:07.410 --> 00:33:11.970
cuz the song Like rock and roll does you know,
00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:13.849
Sammy Hagar wrote a song called I can't drive
00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:19.680
55 about that exact phenomenon When I was like
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.299
12, I saw that video on VH1 and I was like, oh,
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.039
rock and roll is cool. But so you get in the
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.619
studio with him. I'm always curious about people's
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:34.960
production style, you know, because some producers
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.059
are like real hands on with it and like help
00:33:37.059 --> 00:33:39.980
craft the songs. Other ones are like just making
00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:43.900
sure it sounds good. What was the process look
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:47.799
like with Dave at doing the production? Abe's
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.960
leans more to the making sure it sounds good.
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.440
Making sure Vibe is on. Word for word, he'll
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:04.339
say, I'm just listening for Hank Nance. Which
00:34:04.339 --> 00:34:11.800
is a big thing. He's listening for Vibe. He's
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:17.840
a great captain. I'm a construction guy. He's
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.800
like, he's my GC. You know, I get the vision
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.460
how I want to remod, you know, build the house.
00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:28.800
Like he he's my GC and like he he brings it all
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.139
together. Makes it happen. Sees my vision. It
00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:34.960
helps me achieve that. Where did you actually
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.559
do the recording? Virginia Richmond space bomb.
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.500
OK, so are you doing like a live band thing or
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:49.650
is it track by track? No, so I put my band together
00:34:49.650 --> 00:34:53.949
Flew everyone in that wasn't already in Richmond
00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:57.369
and we banged the record out in nine straight
00:34:57.369 --> 00:35:02.750
days Done. Okay So like a lot of good rock and
00:35:02.750 --> 00:35:06.610
roll bands record live and fast like we recorded
00:35:06.610 --> 00:35:10.710
So it was court. It was four of us the core for
00:35:10.969 --> 00:35:13.570
The only other folks I brought in were a couple
00:35:13.570 --> 00:35:15.849
background singers and they were all from Richmond
00:35:15.849 --> 00:35:20.409
But yeah, the core four of us which Josh Schilling
00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:25.030
on keys Stephen Campbell on bass and Mark Henderson
00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:29.750
on drums We were all in the same room, you know
00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:34.150
10 feet or less from each other Recorded everything
00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:38.309
on the floor and we got done tracking and we
00:35:38.309 --> 00:35:44.949
did 12 songs We did three songs a day. So in
00:35:44.949 --> 00:35:48.190
four days we were done, like we had our songs.
00:35:49.989 --> 00:35:54.829
And then after that, we just had like some vocal
00:35:54.829 --> 00:35:57.250
days where I did six songs one day, six songs
00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:00.510
another. I was also sick as fuck this whole time.
00:36:01.289 --> 00:36:08.269
Of course. Sick as fuck. But I'll get back to
00:36:08.269 --> 00:36:13.460
that. But yeah, we did like, if I record, you
00:36:13.460 --> 00:36:15.320
know, I record everything on an electric guitar.
00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:17.880
So I went back and did like a couple of acoustic
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.980
things and like some slide. And then if Keys
00:36:20.980 --> 00:36:23.940
did organ on the floor, he went back and did
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:27.840
piano and vice versa. And other than that, some
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.760
percussion and some background vocals and it
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:36.699
was done. You were sick. You said you'd get back
00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:39.940
to it. I wanted you to get back to it. Before
00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:42.500
I go somewhere else. So right before we went
00:36:42.500 --> 00:36:46.380
into the studio, we went to St. Augustine for
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:48.460
three nights of panic from my brother's bachelor
00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:53.420
hang. So we went to St. Augustine three nights.
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.780
We like golfed all day. The three panic shows.
00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:01.929
And I got home. I could feel something coming
00:37:01.929 --> 00:37:05.429
on like the last day and on the ride home, but
00:37:05.429 --> 00:37:09.889
I got home and I got some kind of woke panic
00:37:09.889 --> 00:37:16.489
COVID doom there and my girlfriend had just got
00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:20.690
back from a work trip or something and she got
00:37:20.690 --> 00:37:23.510
home and she thought she had like the flu or
00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:26.369
something and I had some kind of like woke COVID
00:37:26.369 --> 00:37:31.349
flu or some kind of thing. Um, so yeah, you know,
00:37:31.429 --> 00:37:33.949
I wouldn't I wasn't partying, you know, it's
00:37:33.949 --> 00:37:38.929
not like I did a bunch of below and got the Columbia
00:37:38.929 --> 00:37:44.190
flu or something. Um, so like we both got home
00:37:44.190 --> 00:37:50.190
and like gave each other this, like, you know,
00:37:50.349 --> 00:37:54.690
double sick virus, yes, super virus. And I was,
00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:57.429
I was laid out for the next week, couldn't move.
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.019
So I was like laid out and I'm like, I can't
00:38:02.019 --> 00:38:05.360
believe this before the week before this So I
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.260
like literally could not move and like basically
00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:14.639
Until the day I had to Drive it to rich when
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.559
I went up a couple days early to get some shit
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.139
together And I like barely had enough energy
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:21.099
just to you know, get up there and do that. So
00:38:21.099 --> 00:38:25.619
I was like coming off this crazy week I'd like
00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:28.199
not felt like that and by the time we got to
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.159
the first day You know, I was fine. I wasn't
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.579
gonna get anybody sick by this point, but I was
00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:37.679
still like Coming off of this and like didn't
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.739
take some while to recover Yeah, didn't feel
00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:44.079
100 % right and then we get there and it's March
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.519
in Richmond and it's literally snowing pollen
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.300
It was like oh man I know it gets bad and like
00:38:52.300 --> 00:38:56.210
I'm you know, she gets covered in Yellow and
00:38:56.210 --> 00:38:59.730
but my allergies are real bad And it was raining.
00:38:59.730 --> 00:39:04.150
I mean it was So on top of coming off of that
00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:08.449
I get like all congested like How am I gonna
00:39:08.449 --> 00:39:12.289
sing at the end of this fucking week? so That
00:39:12.289 --> 00:39:15.889
was just a lot. I got you know, of course we
00:39:15.889 --> 00:39:19.070
kept you kept rolling and you know, I didn't
00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:24.039
But you did it and it sounds good. Yeah Congrats.
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.739
The greatest things come from people who are
00:39:27.739 --> 00:39:30.880
sick and shit like that. I'm like, no, they don't.
00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.820
Thanks for the encouragement. You're just trying
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:42.880
to be nice. So you get that record done and it's
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.579
your solo debut record, right? Yeah. Okay. I
00:39:46.579 --> 00:39:52.440
didn't miss something. With a solo debut record,
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.780
what does the plan look like to get it in front
00:39:55.780 --> 00:40:00.079
of people and have it like, make a splash? I
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.019
mean, I've sent it to every industry folks, folk
00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:07.639
I know, and asked them to pass on to everybody
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:11.079
I know. But I mean, I brought on a great PR team,
00:40:11.860 --> 00:40:15.400
which is why we're doing this. Yeah, that is
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:22.110
how that works. you know, just like kind of put
00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:27.329
every penny I've had, you know, I have into,
00:40:27.329 --> 00:40:29.849
well, one, making the best record I could, but
00:40:29.849 --> 00:40:32.789
also in the release side, as far as, you know,
00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:38.289
radio promoters and PR and making sure I'm on
00:40:38.289 --> 00:40:42.170
top of, you know, the lovely social media. And
00:40:42.170 --> 00:40:45.909
I've got a couple of, you know, industry friends
00:40:45.909 --> 00:40:49.829
that are in my corner and helping out. Yeah,
00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:52.570
just trying to get this thing to go as far as
00:40:52.570 --> 00:40:55.469
it can. Does that aspect come naturally to you
00:40:55.469 --> 00:40:57.929
or is that a big pain in the ass? You're like,
00:40:57.949 --> 00:40:59.590
no, I just wanted to make the art. I don't want
00:40:59.590 --> 00:41:01.889
to have to sell the art. Or is it like, well,
00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:06.070
this is part B of my plan? Well, I've embraced
00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:14.050
it. Yeah. I mean, I used to, you know. You know,
00:41:14.269 --> 00:41:17.599
despise like that that whole. side of it, but
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.260
then, you know, then I, since I was like, well,
00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:23.059
if you want to do anything with this business
00:41:23.059 --> 00:41:28.719
and. You don't have that luxury. Yeah. No, no,
00:41:28.820 --> 00:41:33.099
no. Are you independent or do you have a label?
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.380
I'm independent. Okay. So you like, especially
00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:41.500
don't have that luxury. No. Yes. Uh, I mean,
00:41:41.980 --> 00:41:45.980
with, with a PR company, at least like, It's
00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:49.579
not entirely alone. You know because we talked
00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:53.500
to a Lot of people like even like pretty big
00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:56.199
-name people that do like it's like them and
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.599
their wife You know and they're doing all of
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.079
it and like a good example that is John Moreland,
00:42:01.219 --> 00:42:04.099
right? But like he got to a point where It's
00:42:04.099 --> 00:42:06.300
kind of gonna be alright, you know, he's John
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:12.400
Moreland people are aware of him But to get there
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.260
without having Like label money, even though
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:19.639
label money is oftentimes smoke and mirrors and
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.679
bunch of strings and shit, right? But they do
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.719
put you in front of stuff sometimes if they care
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.000
about you It's hard for musicians to figure out
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.420
how to go about actually telling people that
00:42:31.420 --> 00:42:38.199
they exist You know And I'm just gonna be relentless
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.250
Yeah, like in marketing Basically the old the
00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:45.150
old rule which I think doesn't apply anymore
00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:47.210
is someone has to see something three to five
00:42:47.210 --> 00:42:49.869
times before they buy it I think it's more than
00:42:49.869 --> 00:42:51.590
that now because how much shit gets pushed at
00:42:51.590 --> 00:42:54.289
you, you know, but that's the other thing It's
00:42:54.289 --> 00:42:56.610
like I used to really hate social media, you
00:42:56.610 --> 00:42:59.769
know overthink it be like, you know, oh, you
00:42:59.769 --> 00:43:04.130
know This is my post for the day kind of, you
00:43:04.130 --> 00:43:06.590
know kind of like mentality now I'm like shit's
00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:09.050
just fucking news and like who cares if you post
00:43:09.050 --> 00:43:13.519
fucking 15 times a day It's like, people probably
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.199
still won't even fucking see it. I mean, it's
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.940
like, it's just like a new talent now. So I'm
00:43:19.940 --> 00:43:23.039
just like, all right, let me push this out. Let
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.980
me push this out. Yeah, like, like, who cares?
00:43:28.099 --> 00:43:30.639
I'm just like, kind of have to let go of any
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.800
kind of overthinking. Sure. Oh, yeah, I always
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.059
tell people. And this comes up when we deal with
00:43:37.059 --> 00:43:40.119
like, Artists that are on a label, especially
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.480
and have like a label style manager You know
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.619
where I post a lot doesn't fucking matter, you
00:43:47.619 --> 00:43:50.500
know, we have 250 ,000 followers or whatever
00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:53.000
if I post something I love y 'all's Instagram.
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.139
Oh, thank you. But like literally all I'm doing
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:58.300
is I'm Every time I open it up. I'm like, I always
00:43:58.300 --> 00:44:01.039
see something cool. It's like fucking I don't
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.400
even see it's y 'all yet, but it's like Lord
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:10.610
George Billy J. Shaver or some hot chicks on
00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:14.250
bikes. I'm hitting the like button before I even
00:44:14.250 --> 00:44:18.010
see us y 'all and I'm like, no. That's the thing.
00:44:18.469 --> 00:44:22.710
That's the trick that I post three, four times
00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:25.269
a fucking day, different shit in that category.
00:44:26.309 --> 00:44:28.630
And then if we deal with a musician, like I said,
00:44:28.769 --> 00:44:31.039
with like a... manager, manager and a label,
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.300
I'll be like, Hey, I'm gonna do this. And they'll
00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:35.599
be like, No, that's not we have these things
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.460
scheduled for these days. And it's like, Hey,
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.039
it doesn't fucking matter, guys. Like, we have
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.940
more reach than you do. And we're not doing any
00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:49.500
of that shit. So maybe, maybe just do it my way
00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:52.320
for once, you know. But I don't know, man, I
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.860
think the big thing is, I figured this out. What
00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.360
year is it? Okay figured out three and a half
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.199
years ago Because it happened like right around
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:05.360
my wedding so I can always know but I figured
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.380
out how to trick people into Following us and
00:45:09.380 --> 00:45:11.139
like liking our shit on Instagram because if
00:45:11.139 --> 00:45:13.800
you look at big companies that only post ad shoots
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.159
their engagement sucks Like we post ad shoots,
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.739
but the ad shoots are cool. You know what I mean?
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.179
And like they look really fucking good. But also
00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:25.280
it's like, hey, last night, I posted a video
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.659
of Hoyt Axton and his band. And like the dude
00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:29.519
was playing slide guitar with a fucking bottle
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.960
of Lone Star. Right? That's the shit. People
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.719
just want to see cool stuff. Right. And it applies
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.599
to musicians, too. You know, people just want
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.500
to see cool shit. And then eventually they'll
00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:44.400
be like, hey, this is a lot of cool shit from
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.280
the same source. Maybe I should look into that
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.739
source. Right. That seems to be the national
00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:51.599
progression of it, but they got a fucking see
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.000
it so many times now Yeah, you know attention
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.960
span is gone. It's it can be it could be very
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:04.619
aggravating but As I'm sure you know, yeah Like
00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:08.039
as a musician and this fucking this fucking song
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.239
that probably cost me 20 grand Hey, it's coming
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.130
out, you know two fucking likes Yeah Because
00:46:17.130 --> 00:46:19.769
if you try, people don't care too. That's the
00:46:19.769 --> 00:46:21.670
other thing. Whatever you try the hardest on
00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:23.329
is going to get the worst engagement. I don't
00:46:23.329 --> 00:46:26.610
know what that rule is, but yeah, dude, it fucking
00:46:26.610 --> 00:46:30.630
happens every time. This is brilliant. Everybody's
00:46:30.630 --> 00:46:33.269
going to love this. Yeah. If you put great effort
00:46:33.269 --> 00:46:34.889
into something, no one's going to give a shit.
00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:37.289
If you post a picture of Jerry Reed smoking a
00:46:37.289 --> 00:46:39.369
fucking cigarette and playing cards, they're
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going to fucking love it. You know, so I stopped
00:46:43.949 --> 00:46:47.309
giving a shit like. yeah this but the spontaneous
00:46:47.309 --> 00:46:52.050
shit always seems to like the most natural spontaneous
00:46:52.050 --> 00:46:55.449
shit always seems to go the farthest or work
00:46:55.449 --> 00:46:57.789
the best i think it's subconscious to people
00:46:57.789 --> 00:47:00.010
in a lot of ways you know they can tell that
00:47:00.010 --> 00:47:03.650
it wasn't like it's genuine yeah and a lot of
00:47:03.650 --> 00:47:06.590
the other shit you see on social media is not
00:47:06.590 --> 00:47:10.449
genuine you know it's like whether it's a straight
00:47:10.449 --> 00:47:14.650
-up lie or it's like really concocted for some
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.320
end game, people can subconsciously tell. I don't
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know. But what, as a musician, what ways do you
00:47:24.619 --> 00:47:27.480
utilize social media? What gets the best results
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.760
for you when you're trying to tell people you
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:39.280
exist? Just being straight up honest, like what
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I was just saying, any kind of idea that I've
00:47:43.059 --> 00:47:46.639
had or like I should I should do that and just
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.280
like do it real quick and like post that that
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.340
usually ends up being better than like Oh the
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:58.179
the videographer I paid to get this Show or this
00:47:58.179 --> 00:48:00.679
studio footage and then you know put this song
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.559
behind it all that that you know does it never
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.300
does nearly as good as it's like the you know
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:14.409
more like either vulnerable or like Just like
00:48:14.409 --> 00:48:18.289
straight -up authentic or you know natural Would
00:48:18.289 --> 00:48:20.869
that be like you talking or like what does that
00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:22.849
look like? I'm trying to help other musicians
00:48:22.849 --> 00:48:24.769
who are trying to figure it out to right now
00:48:24.769 --> 00:48:28.230
Yeah, I mean I think that I think that the talking
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I think you know the face visual talking thing
00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:34.710
can go a long way, but like I mean the the post
00:48:34.710 --> 00:48:39.429
I had Get the most engagement just like in the
00:48:39.429 --> 00:48:42.900
last couple weeks as I I was like at work and
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:47.039
my day job and I just like went by I was like
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.380
at the Home Depot where I called Dave and I was
00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:52.639
just like and I thought about it and I was like
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.500
oh shit that happened one year ago today I just
00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:58.679
literally I was like well that's that's a cool
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.059
memory so I just like literally took a fucking
00:49:01.059 --> 00:49:04.019
picture in front of Home Depot I was like year
00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:06.480
ago today I was sitting right here fucking bummed
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.750
out and snapped and like basically got things
00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:13.789
rolling with Dave and like people love that shit.
00:49:14.289 --> 00:49:18.150
That's awesome. Yeah. And then, I mean, I'm like
00:49:18.150 --> 00:49:20.389
in a like fucking work shirt, like covered in
00:49:20.389 --> 00:49:22.829
dust, like fucking hairs pulled back. Like it's
00:49:22.829 --> 00:49:28.530
just like literally this awful picture. Well,
00:49:28.690 --> 00:49:31.190
what a great story. People can also relate to
00:49:31.190 --> 00:49:32.969
that. Like a lot of people that listen to that
00:49:32.969 --> 00:49:36.230
genre of music. Right. Probably are also at Home
00:49:36.230 --> 00:49:41.840
Depot covered in dust. yeah you know it's uh
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.480
because like at this point there's i think there's
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.280
two different types of music you know there's
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.460
like mass market music and there's music that
00:49:49.460 --> 00:49:53.179
people like intensely connect with and unless
00:49:53.179 --> 00:49:56.380
you have the money to be like shoved in every
00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:59.940
tiktok you have to be the fucking other one right
00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:04.340
yeah you know um and a big aspect of that is
00:50:04.340 --> 00:50:07.829
playing live i think too Yeah, what does that
00:50:07.829 --> 00:50:09.969
look like for you? Like what kind of vibe are
00:50:09.969 --> 00:50:15.909
your live shows? I mean it's been pretty pretty
00:50:15.909 --> 00:50:18.590
energetic. I would say like pretty pretty rock
00:50:18.590 --> 00:50:23.409
and roll energetic I've I leaned into some Well,
00:50:23.409 --> 00:50:26.170
I leaned into like just you know all about the
00:50:26.170 --> 00:50:28.230
song with this record anyway, so like I have
00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:33.000
a couple Couple more like singer -songwriter
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.380
like straight -up country soft like there's a
00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:37.679
duet on the album. I've never done that before
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:45.320
in my life, but like So now but you know, I Like
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.380
to think it's it's about the you know listening
00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:53.760
experience and You know and all about the song
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.719
but I mean, it's a it's a rowdy fucking time
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:03.590
overall I like to break it down and stuff. You
00:51:03.590 --> 00:51:06.030
gotta bring it down to bring it back up. But
00:51:06.030 --> 00:51:09.630
I mean, it's a pretty high energy rock show,
00:51:09.869 --> 00:51:12.829
I'd say. I think watching the way people structure
00:51:12.829 --> 00:51:15.550
their sets is always interesting. Because if
00:51:15.550 --> 00:51:17.369
you see enough shows, you can start tracking
00:51:17.369 --> 00:51:20.650
what's going on. And obviously, if you've seen
00:51:20.650 --> 00:51:24.380
Dead in Company, you know that in the... Like,
00:51:24.579 --> 00:51:29.900
I saw him out in Vegas with my dad and like they
00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:34.159
did Darkstar into fucking Drums in Space and
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.039
I was like, hey man, this is gonna be a shit
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:42.380
50 minutes for you. Just heads up. Hey, this
00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:45.539
next hour you're not gonna dig. Cause I know
00:51:45.539 --> 00:51:47.820
it's coming. Drums in Space is gonna hurt. But
00:51:47.820 --> 00:51:50.320
you gotta let them do it. Cause that's the order
00:51:50.320 --> 00:52:21.909
of the fucking thing, man. the the the see dead
00:52:21.909 --> 00:52:24.710
and co at the sphere. And then I saw fucking
00:52:24.710 --> 00:52:28.070
Johnny blues guys just playing on the Sunday
00:52:28.070 --> 00:52:32.210
after the dead's last show there was on the Saturday
00:52:32.210 --> 00:52:34.670
and Sturgill was there on the Sunday. I was like,
00:52:34.909 --> 00:52:41.230
we're going for two days. Oh, dude, it's a, this
00:52:41.230 --> 00:52:42.969
is a funny thing that I've been thinking about
00:52:42.969 --> 00:52:46.110
for about two days now. I posted a reel of Sturgill
00:52:46.110 --> 00:52:50.079
from like 11 years ago, right? Um, And someone
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.139
commented about how they don't like his live
00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:55.599
shows now because he acts like Elvis and shreds
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.039
like Dicky Betts. And I was like, hey, that seems
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.960
like the best possible for anyone could do. It
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.519
seems like you just described the best possible
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.119
entertainer in the world. I want that. Yeah,
00:53:10.460 --> 00:53:13.769
I thought you'd appreciate that. fucking want
00:53:13.769 --> 00:53:17.510
the best shit that could possibly be made. But
00:53:17.510 --> 00:53:19.690
man, man, I still I haven't seen Sturgill yet.
00:53:20.550 --> 00:53:23.650
I was going to at one point, but I ended up being
00:53:23.650 --> 00:53:25.909
in LA when the show was in Nashville. So that
00:53:25.909 --> 00:53:29.570
didn't fucking work. Yeah, it's hard. But I fucking
00:53:29.570 --> 00:53:33.949
want to. You know, back in like the meta modern
00:53:33.949 --> 00:53:38.030
days, like 10 years ago, but I saw I think in
00:53:38.030 --> 00:53:41.590
2020 or 20. Yeah, I guess it was. It was 2020.
00:53:41.769 --> 00:53:45.750
He was on like the Willys road tour with the
00:53:45.750 --> 00:53:49.329
Bluegrass band he just put out. That was sick.
00:53:49.389 --> 00:53:52.070
So I saw the Bluegrass band, I guess was technically
00:53:52.070 --> 00:53:56.730
the first time I saw them live. And then out
00:53:56.730 --> 00:54:01.730
in Vegas was the new old band. It's all the guys
00:54:01.730 --> 00:54:05.550
from that metamodern record era. I mean, they
00:54:05.550 --> 00:54:07.550
seem to be doing a bunch of really cool shit
00:54:07.550 --> 00:54:11.440
right now. You know and like I actually I have
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:13.659
seen him. I saw him at farm aid. He played with
00:54:13.659 --> 00:54:15.860
Bob Weir and the Wolf Bros as a surprise. That
00:54:15.860 --> 00:54:20.619
was fucking dope Yeah, I love how he's tacked
00:54:20.619 --> 00:54:24.699
into the Dude, it's awesome. Like when they were
00:54:24.699 --> 00:54:29.039
in San Francisco this summer and He came out
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.559
and did morning do with them. It's like that
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.420
was that's fucking incredible That was the shit.
00:54:35.420 --> 00:54:39.480
Yeah, man. I don't know. It's a It's a good it's
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:41.559
a good crossover, but it's also one that makes
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:44.159
a lot of sense I think if you're into like both
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.619
of the bands, you know, cuz a lot of people disregard
00:54:47.619 --> 00:54:50.300
the dead as a hippie band and it's like no it's
00:54:50.300 --> 00:54:53.739
an Originally an outlaw biker fucking band, but
00:54:53.739 --> 00:54:57.260
it's all like it's the it's not that really and
00:54:57.260 --> 00:55:01.780
it's also like all the genres you like They're
00:55:01.780 --> 00:55:05.420
playing at once. Yeah, you know, but you're writing
00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:10.159
it off because of the fans doing acid right really
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.079
um but anyway so now that you got this record
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:20.739
coming out which is january 23rd yeah january
00:55:20.739 --> 00:55:24.639
23rd i'm announcing the record oh okay oh so
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.159
it's not coming out on january 23rd yeah um i
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.079
knew that we had to put it out after january
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.440
23rd i thought that was a number that was important
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.559
okay January 23rd, I'll be releasing the title
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.659
track and announcing that the records coming
00:55:39.659 --> 00:55:43.300
record droughts March 27th Okay, so it comes
00:55:43.300 --> 00:55:48.059
out March 27th Not January 23rd when you're listening
00:55:48.059 --> 00:55:53.619
to this, right? So What do you have support dates
00:55:53.619 --> 00:55:56.159
for that record coming up as well? Yeah, are
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.019
you touring a lot for it? I will be I'm working
00:55:59.019 --> 00:56:03.210
on those right now actually So there will be
00:56:03.210 --> 00:56:05.510
support dates and by the time this podcast comes
00:56:05.510 --> 00:56:08.329
out, you can probably go to your website I imagine
00:56:08.329 --> 00:56:13.050
and find those dates Yeah, that makes sense I
00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:17.510
Don't know So you'll be supporting the record
00:56:17.510 --> 00:56:20.710
record will come out What are the cool shit you
00:56:20.710 --> 00:56:28.010
got coming up? Trying to think and in the near
00:56:28.010 --> 00:56:31.929
future as of when this will drop Either one,
00:56:31.949 --> 00:56:38.389
it doesn't matter. What's cool? Well, end of
00:56:38.389 --> 00:56:43.030
January. End of January, I'm doing a week in
00:56:43.030 --> 00:56:49.809
South Florida with the boys, which will be right
00:56:49.809 --> 00:56:53.530
after I announce the record and drop the title
00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:57.730
track. So that'll be cool. We're hitting Bonita
00:56:57.730 --> 00:57:28.980
Springs, Boca, Stewart, Key West. the the I have
00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:32.960
no clue what the fuck goes on. If I move again,
00:57:33.260 --> 00:57:35.139
it's definitely going to be farther south and
00:57:35.139 --> 00:57:37.340
it'll probably be the Key West and I'll live
00:57:37.340 --> 00:57:40.820
out my, to quote Johnny Blue Sky as my Scooter
00:57:40.820 --> 00:57:45.840
Blues. Scooter Blues era, where I'm just say
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.119
fuck it all and just live on an island. Have
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.840
you ever seen the movie Night Moves with Gene
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:56.139
Hackman? No. Why have I not seen that? It was
00:57:56.139 --> 00:57:58.260
like, it was... They get the times Arthur Penn
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:02.880
made it. But he's like an L .A. detective who
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.199
ends up in Key West. And it's just like some
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.000
weird Key West shit. It's a good movie. I'd recommend
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:13.159
it around tonight. It's a fucking gene hack,
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.599
but it's not going to suck. Right. OK, so you
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.400
got those dates. You have other dates coming
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.940
up that will be announced by the time this comes
00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:24.739
out. Anything else you want people to know about?
00:58:27.940 --> 00:58:31.900
Tell your friends about Highway Junkie. Give
00:58:31.900 --> 00:58:38.579
me a spin. Come see a live show. Listen to the
00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:41.900
record all the way through. It's definitely a
00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:45.599
story. I like that. Would you call it a concept
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:48.800
album? I wouldn't say it's a concept album, but
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.260
it just naturally became that way. It was all
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:57.570
the songwriting and basically my life. post sobriety
00:58:57.570 --> 00:59:04.250
and moving to Florida and just, you know, love,
00:59:04.510 --> 00:59:08.650
you know, I found love and my girlfriend when
00:59:08.650 --> 00:59:12.530
we met, you know, she was a single mother and
00:59:12.530 --> 00:59:16.010
had a six month old. So like I became like a
00:59:16.010 --> 00:59:21.349
father figure. Wow. Congrats. Between, you know,
00:59:22.070 --> 00:59:25.969
like, you know, dad and, you know, really working
00:59:25.969 --> 00:59:32.090
my ass off all the time and you know sobriety
00:59:32.090 --> 00:59:35.650
and stuff like all this all this songwriting
00:59:35.650 --> 00:59:39.190
was like it was it was new it was new for me
00:59:39.190 --> 00:59:45.429
to write about you know meaningful and you know
00:59:45.429 --> 00:59:47.389
deeper things i mean i was always just like writing
00:59:47.389 --> 00:59:51.550
about fucking chicks and blow you know not really
00:59:51.550 --> 00:59:54.570
and not thinking about it you know and it was
00:59:54.570 --> 01:00:00.090
like you know that's that's fun but like um you
01:00:00.090 --> 01:00:04.329
know i always you know felt like i had more to
01:00:04.329 --> 01:00:08.489
say and it took took some clearing up to to get
01:00:08.489 --> 01:00:12.610
to that point so not a total concept album but
01:00:12.610 --> 01:00:16.230
it kind of morphed into that i mean records i'm
01:00:16.230 --> 01:00:20.510
a highway junkie baby records repeat people's
01:00:20.510 --> 01:00:23.989
uh Like the songwriter's existence, you know,
01:00:24.230 --> 01:00:27.789
like Everyone we talked to and when I asked them
01:00:27.789 --> 01:00:30.329
about that they give like the same answer like
01:00:30.329 --> 01:00:33.230
it's not a concept album But but it tells but
01:00:33.230 --> 01:00:36.190
it does tell a story of who I was right? It's
01:00:36.190 --> 01:00:39.429
like that's what records are man. There was or
01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:43.550
am or you know Yeah, I mean this this record
01:00:43.550 --> 01:00:48.570
is a hundred percent fucking me that's and I'm
01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:53.400
to put it out Just had it like through that last
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.519
question. I had a nuts deja vu moment and I'm
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:57.820
shocked because I was freaking I was like, I
01:00:57.820 --> 01:01:03.239
think I dreamed this exact fucking thing So,
01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:05.800
I don't know what that was about but thank you
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.480
for coming on talking to us We appreciate your
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.800
time, man. Thank you guys for having me and hope
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.940
to connect with you. I'm y 'all's way Yeah, come
01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:16.659
play the Southgate house. It's a great venue.
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.440
Oh Yeah, hang on one second