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Speaker 1: Hands. Do some Mr Fancy fans the Flames need in the film. News is the chance it's a t L Around the League Light of flame Boys, pig Skins hot tonight. Welcome back to another edition of the A t L Debate Club, Just kidding. Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast, presented by new era Dan Hans is here and to my left, the reason why we rolled out that O G theme song. It's just me and the great Mark Sessler today in the studio. What's up about that? Fell right to me? I mean, I don't know why we don't go back to this tu Man format more often. It feels pure. Do you mean, like perpetuity, just moving forward? Yeah, I mean maybe when they wipe out the entire like digital side of our news operation, we wind up at some local radio station in San Diego doing something like this. Well, you know what, it's good to have options and this is reps because West West out today. Greg back in the field. Where's Greg today? Greg? I believe is in uh San Diego, excuse me, Los Angeles, Costa Masa, outside of San Diego. All right, A lot of different things. He's with the Rams today and uh, he'll be back with us on Friday, hopefully West as well, but we'll see. But today it's just you and me, Mark and they are show. If you are newer to the show, you may not be aware. And we even have Alex Welke behind the glass. Was original producer that the Around the NFL podcast started as the A t L Debate Club with Mark and I tacked onto the back of the Dave Damagek Football program eleven or twelve minutes, you know, at the end of a hundred and eighty minutes show by Dave solid also is it's one way to describe it was early episodes of our Let's put it this way. We we tried to go back and listen to some of these shows on our website. They are no longer findable for the most part on our site. Is that a bad thing? Not really. I think the league at some points said scrub this out of existence. So well they're not gonna scrub this baby. Guess we're back anyway. This is also a video show today, So if you check out NFL dot com slash a t N video uh, this will go up live nine thirty pm Eastern, six thirty Pacific. If you ever see figure it out. What do you want from me all the night for you? You know? Anyway, big show today, big show, just the two of us, but a lot to talk about. Uh. In Texans camp, some bad news for their offense involving will Fuller their Firmer former first round pick. So we'll get into what went on down there. Uh, And then our training camp spotlight series will roll on with the New York Jets in their murky quarterback situation. Had to squeeze this Jets segment in while cragging West for away. Yeah, this is the perfect time. And Wilk, really, nice job. If you're watching this video show, has this labeled a j Ets ugly? Ugly ugly? How about your ugly bro feels cure at nice job, Wilk. I want your quarterback, by the way, Mr usc And finally, uh, a little talk about the newing of Patriots. It's always fun to talk. Should be fair and balanced about the Pats and what's going on. A very difficult first world problem they're dealing with. Yeah, they've been through a lot, and I think we'll dig into that. It's I think you're gonna it's gonna generate some sympathy for that club. Yeah. So all that coming up, including we wanted to hit it on our last show, we're not able to get to it. Just too much talking. That's one of the problems with our podcast is that we talked too much. And sometimes that that we can go the route where it's a you know, a hundred and forty minute podcast, or we just have to cut down the show. Well, what else would we be doing on an audio radio program. Just the amount amount it's too much. And I speak for myself as well as the rest of you. I thought I did a fine job, and then I don't think I overspoke. I I was very controlled in the last episode, a considerable amount of speaking from you as wal Mark, as I studied. You know, it's go back and track study every show and and track it like a like a picture, like charting pitches for some saber Metrics, little saber Metrics strongly disagree with your findings. Um. Anyway, so we had a bump mail bag on Monday show. But today's show, we will bring the mail back bag and good way to I like to say interface with the listeners. Yeah, I mean, I think last week we were kind of struggling for last show for a for a topic it was a bit of a patch of an idea and somehow it's existed into a second show. Yeah, and uh, finally we'll we'll cap the show with the return of a satellite hero who has to get something off his chest. I'll leave it at that. I'll leave it at that. But before we do any of that, we got to catch up on the news. And uh, to do that, we say hello to Sully behind the glass. Fellas. This is a jam packed one. It's gonna be a good one today, I hope. So a lot of people behind the glass. Uh, let's see just me and Mark, Mark and I go way back. Let me let me Hey, so you asked me the question. Now let me go through the process. Okay, okay, I mean Mark and I friends. I love each other ups and down to the years. What I was hanging out. They like each other, miss my other buddies, be minus be might a show today? All right, here we go. Let's do some news. No days, all no days, all no days all. Okay, let's get this show back on track. Uh, we'll start with Yes, the Houston Texans bad news. There wide receiver Will Fuller the first round pick in two thousand and sixteen broke his collar bone. Mark. I know you'd like to say clavical during practice, no clear timetable for return. This is coming from rap sheet ESPN first report of the development. UH twenty three years old. UH forty seven catches last year. Maybe underwhelming considering the amount of hype about him coming to Houston, but a lot of that, you would say, Mark probably points to their issues a quarterback. They're hoping to really get him and Hopkins side by side going this season and now, especially a clavical injury. It brings the mind Carlos Rogers way back in the day with with the Lions. It's an injury that can come back and haunt you. Um. Of course, Tony Romo another example bad news. You like to say classical. I think I prefer the more common man version of color bone, which I think more people understand. The Simpleton's classical I called the color bone Braxton, Miller, Jal and Strong. These guys are gonna have to step up now across from DeAndre Hopkins. You know with Fuller he was he was so fascinating to watch early in the year. Last year two yard games out of the gate. Never came back and repeated that I mean he he really I think struggle with drops that was a huge issue for him to focus on this offseason. But it's bad news for whether it's Tom Savage or especially if it's Deshaun Watson that wins this this battle. That's something you're losing, your deep threat. This is what's been missing in that offense for so long, and now they're missing it for a good long time. But it's just the two of us. If you can help me out, I said Carlos Rodgers, Charles Rogers, I have to understand that when you're speaking, I'm basically just thinking about what I'm gonna say. So I'm I'm rarely gonna help you out on I got you, I got you. I caught myself there. But now with Fuller out, DeAndre Hopkins again a lot of pressure on him to be the entire offense. He was able to be that two years ago. Last year maybe not so much. And now they have to put the focus on to Braxton miller Um former quarterback to a third round pick um fifteen catches last year. They're gonna need some people to step up in this office. Well, how about Jalen Strong, who has really been I think pretty underwhelming. I mean that's where these guys as a group have to make it happen. Uh, moving on more injury news. This one very tough for the Rams. Defensive end Dominique easily Um has suffered a torn a c l in practice. Rap Sheet reported it. It is the third time he has torn and his a c l uh twice in college and now he's got to try to rehab for a third time. The first round pick of Bill Belichick back Belichick back in two thousand and fourteen. They cut him early last season, but he had a nice year with the Rams. Kind of an under unheralded guy on a bad team, and now you have to wonder if his career is in doubt. It's hard to come back from that. Many a cls that's been done, but it's hard. Well it's been done by Thomas Davis and just a few others. I mean, it's it is a It puts him into a rare group and not a pleasant group. And uh, you know the Rams. Meanwhile, it looks like Ethan Westbrooks someone enough to step up for them. But they are paper thin. They're rather thin. I know, everyone says, you know, hey, Wade Phillips coming in everything with their thin at a sort of every level of their defense right now. So it's it's a big challenge for them out of the gate, and they can't afford to lose any more of these guys. Our buddy Pepper Spray is very high in the Rams defense with Wade Phillips. I would not put anything past son of bum. But you're right, they are not a team that could take a bunch of injuries. Don't have Aaron Donald on the field right now. He'll be there though. Uh. Moving on other injury news. This one originally to little pulled back the curtain move in our pre pro pre PROD meeting we called industry talk. Uh, we were going to lead with this one. Sterling Shepherd gets carted off Giants practice with a lower leg injury. And you know this is always very bad news. Uh. Percent of the time when you see the tweets coming out down on the field, a cart coming out to get him, he's crying on the field. Almost always it seems to be a c l injury, season ending injury some kind. This turned out alright, low ankle sprain for Sterling Shepherd, which is much better than the dreaded high ankle sprain, which can cost guys weeks and weeks, so we don't know how long he'll be out. Ben McAdoo said he's going to see how the receiver responds to initial treatment and go from there. But Shepherd seems to have dodged a major bullet because I think a lot of Giants fans, I would think, when they saw that said, oh my, this guy's yeah, because because the people who were there, and people didn't see the injury, but they saw, like you said, the response afterwards, and it was pretty fatal the reporting, and it seemed like, wow, the Giants had just lost a really important second year player for them, Brandon Marshall suddenly enough to have a huge season if he's out, and it's not the case. And it's funny. It reminds me when we during these training camps, because all these teams are active and these injuries start happening invariably. That's sort of the breathless reporting where we were We're pumping out a post and it talks about all the possible negatives for the Giants, and three hours later they're fine. Because so the Giants, Yeah, we Mark and I were talking about this downstairs. I've noticed, and I'm very happy for Stirling Shepard. He's a young, ascended player and we you don't want him to have a bad injury. But certain franchises for whatever reason. I said, what I said to Mark was, you know, if if this guy was a promising Jets receiver, promising Browns receiver, you know, his his ankle is broken or the knee shot. Teams like the Giants, they're just those teams that are run better but also seemed to get some breaks. It ends up being not so serious. Right. If it's the Jets, it's like the entire you know, uh kitchen slash dining area catches on fire and you lose half your defense. I mean, it's a totally different scenario for the Jets. In other news, Jordan read the Washington Redskins receiver Um he was put on the pup list. There was not a lot of concern going around at the time. Was expected to be a short stay, but now Redskins coach j Gruden announced that the tight ends injury might be something that they really have to be concerned with. Because Reid went to Charlotte to see a specialist about his toe injury. Uh, there's no timetable for his return. This is nothing new, Mark, Yeah, the dreaded no timetable for return. I mean, he missed four games last season with a concussion, had a shoulder injury, He's had lower body issues. Read is one of the more explosive tight ends in the league. But he can't stay healthy. This is the reverse of what we just talked about where it started. As you know, we're not concerned, we're being cautious with Read, and a week later, you know, the scope of what's happening is getting more concerning. The guy has missed eighteen games over four seasons. When he's on the field, Kirk Cousins is at his best. I mean, the offense absolutely needs Read out there. And to lose him, you know, the concussion thing is a whole separate issue because that at any moment seems to completely derail his career. But if they don't have him on offense, if this becomes a lingering thing that goes into September and on and on, they are not the same attack on any level. You know. Other news, Leonard Fournette is the first round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Um Mark I have a question. Yes there's a there's a we're gonna get to it in a second, but uh, in your whole life. I want you to gues estimate this. Uh. And I know you weren't, nor was I a superstar high school or collegiate athlete. But I'm just curious how many trophies, uh, you acquired from let's say you know, t ball through it, we'll go even softball, like our shield championship. I'll count even though you were more I don't know if the advisor role this season, how many trophies do you think you've acquired in your life? I mean almost none for individual performance. I mean I would never be ranking high on that on that ladder, but you know I was on multiple team playing constantly some sort of team sport throughout my entire youth. So I'm thinking thirty thirty, that's that's a fair number. I would say I would put myself in the twenty seven. That feels right, a little less than what I would have accrued like people like Sully in the millennial generation with all the participation trophies, it's probably in the thousands. I would think. For you, Yeah, we uh, quite a few participation trophies. We didn't get nothing. It was like you failed son. Back to the coal mine for you, right, yeah, Anyway, I bring this up because Leonard four Nette of the Jaguars. Um, he's he's gained hundreds of trophies potentially. I don't know some of the reporting here's little dodgy, but the man had many, many trophies, and he's somebody that does not look back in the past. So he thought of an idea or someone thought of an idea for him. Him and the people at Metrics, which there's a supplement company marked you vouch of them on any level. I mean I know of them, Okay, I'm not tied into the mone any anyway, he's the only guys who care about anyone's right, Um, sup sup coup at Metrics. Uh. They came with the idea, what if we melt down your trophies, bra and turn them into weights for a local Jacksonville High school. And the initial reporting over a Big Cat Country a Sports Nation blog for the Jaguars was that for Net had seven hundred trophies that he donated, which you did the math. Well, I wasn't this got on my radar because again playing sports all year round, and I was given a trophy for every team I was on. It took years and years to get into what would be maybe thirty range seven hundred. I mean, you'd have to be splitting yourself into like multiple people and playing multiple sports at the same time. Just and I understand he did track and you get individual ones for that, but seven hundred to me, because we all tried to break it down, it seemed like if you have about a ten eleven year winter as a youth athlete, and he's like, exactly, it's not you know. This was that there was a limited time here. You've got to be getting sixty to seventy trophies a year, which it's like you're a salesman if you have a bad month, if you are a crew in two or three trophies a month. How does this end to be getting like trophies for finishing dinner. I mean it would have been have to be just basic life functions. Oh, you woke up this morning, here's a trophy. I called it out, and I was right, you nailed it, because they the writer of that piece eventually said that some of the trophies were donated, but the other point I wanted to make about this is this is one of those stories that make me feel kind of dimwitted because I can't process how a trophy can be melted down into composite parts and turned into weightlifting equipment. And then there's this video that that was posted along with this Q and A in which these like regular looking dudes are just like, oh yeah, we just take the composite part, to take the trophy dust put it off together one two three. It's like, am I stupid? Well? I I get caught up the same thing because a lot of the trophies I had, maybe now they're very you know, rich material, but a lot of times the Golden athlete, you know, you know, hitting a tennis racket or shooting a basketball probably off the rin like is it was made of plastic A lot of time it wasn't like high quality like you know, silver and gold. So you're you're melting it down and it just feels. I think it's a very nice thing to do for Rains high school, no questions there, but overly complex process. Why not maybe donate actual weights? Again, I don't want to, you know, a very nice thing that they've done so well disrespect, disrespect, just melting down. Let's move on. It kept me up, cost your time, your manter struggles, struggles to sleep in general. I don't need this. You need this on top of it. I don't need that. I don't need that. All right. Uh news for the Seattle Seahawks camp Chancellor. Remember when he uh um sat out a couple of games over money couple of years ago. Yeah, that wasn't pretty. And now you don't have to worry about that anymore because Chancellor this week signed a three year, thirty six million dollar contract extension. Uh million guaranteed. Does that count towards my five million curse for contracts? Not really right, it's a little off ringe. It's a three year deal and the million is guaranteed as opposed to the total that. No, he's in the clear, officially in the clear. Everybody, don't worry about it anyway, Raps, she'd have the numbers Chancellor coming off, coming up in the final year of a five year deal he's signed back in ESPN first reported, Seahawks later confirmed the signing. I will bring in Sally on this. So you are a Seahawks fan, uh I heard buzz I heard some whispers that maybe Cam was maybe on the other side uh last season, maybe not quite the player anymore. I think he needs Earle. I think he needs Earl Thomas. Those two together really really good. I think it was you can almost double the quarterback rating when both of them aren't playing. UM, So that duo needs to be together and that that's that's a huge move for Seahawks. I think with the Seahawks in telling you too, because there are whispers that Earl Thomas, who has I think two years left on his deal, could talk about retirement. He's talked about retirement, but he also that was that was almost the same way that you talk about retirement as the shield manager when you know you've got to get out of that, out of the phrase that you're just in. And he did the same. But if they if they extend Thomas down the road, it tells you with Richard Sherman, that they absolutely are not ready to kind of move on from the legion of booms primary stars, that they still believe that if these guys can stay healthy, because Chancellor and Thomas have not often been healthy together, not fully healthy, and if you can get them back in that way, I agree with you, Sully, that there that this defense can still be. This is the last piece of the main core of the Seahawks that are together through Bobbies Bobbies locked down, uh, Michael Bennett's lockdown, so that that defense is there have been there have been, you know, discussions whispers in the past that Peake Harold at some point could decide to move on. So you wonder if maybe when all these contracts come up, that Pete Carroll says, I'm gonna go out with all these players, my player boy Tom Cable finally got a takeover football guy. It seems possible. Clock's ticking for sure, And I will I will also say I always enjoy it when fans like Sully refer to players that they root for by their first names. Yeah I did, Oh yeah, Bobby. Bobby is looking good this year. Bobby that I can't believe I did that. Sorry, I'm really excited about Bobby this year. Anyway, Thank you, Sully. Good Seahawks information. Hey, that Colin Kaepernick still doesn't have a job, folks, And everyone should know that the Ravens there's still thinking about it. They want to know that's going to the Ravens nest. And again a statement released by the team, a statement, just make a decision. Here it is, we are going through a can we get our missive music by any chance? I might putting me on the spot too much, a lot of pressure on selling. Here we go. This is from general manager Ozzie Newsome. We are going through a process and we have not made a decision. Steve Shaddy has not told us we cannot sign Colin Kaepernick, nor has he blocked the move. Whoever is making those claims, he's wrong. Like the Azzie Knewsom is a double negative up top. He has not told us we cannot say it's he's confused me? Is he's saying the opposite. I think they're trying to confuse you. I mean, it's clear that there's some we I mean, it's clear there's intense discussions going on about this because this has become something a total life of its own. You know, by the way, when Colin Kaepernick finally gets on a team, at some point, the world's gonna move on three weeks into that, we're gonna have focus on new things. The fact that he's not the fact that the Ravens are going back and forth with this is only putting it under a bigger microscope. Do we need this statement? I do not need it. But there are a lot of things I don't need, but this would be one of the things I do not need. There were reports that that the owner of Rashadi had made the decision that he didn't think Kaepernick was worth the trouble. So it sounds like, I mean, it's probably not hard to connect the dots here. Aswering my own question that the owner, because the owner can do whatever he wants, says, hey, put out a statement letting everyone know I am not the bad guy here. I am not the one saying Colin kapern camp be on the team. But I'm also not the guy saying that he is going to be on the team. I think it's because I think it's the coach and the GM probably really want this guy on their team. They need it. You've got Ryan malle You're you're You've got Ryan Mallett position to start at Joe Flacco isn't in there. That's an absolute disaster in a season ender. So I think that the the football people really want this, and it's the people concerned about sponsorship, concerned about their fans. They got hundreds of calls to the complex. That's why this is so complex. Let's move on. Terence Newman. By the way, one thing I liked how you turn Ozzy Newsom into like a British war general from the Revolutionary War. Thank you, it's well done. I appreciate that. Mark. Thank you for noticing. Terence Newman is is a rarity and rarity in the NFL. Uh he is a thirty eight year old NFL quarterback place for the Vikings and uh he has never been to the super Bowl. And uh he he equates that, uh to the parallels of another life quest, you know, getting to the super Bowl to him is the same as and this comes from the Star Tribune. Getting hot babes in college. You might get, you might get eye contact, maybe a smile, and then never hear from her again. Right, So I'm chasing this hot babe known as the Lombardi Trophy. I got a couple of looks at one point in time, distant glances, no smiles. Yet I'm trying to get up close and personal to that babe. That's it. I gotta end it on that. I mean, I'll tell you what and if you're watching the video show Lombard trope is pretty sexy. It is kind of a babe. But I will I will say, you have to be a near forty year old NFL player to be dropping hot babe. You would never hear that from a first or second year player. I will say this, you're running. That I had with this post is I wrote the quote. The quote is great, and there was really nothing else to say. I ran out of other content. I realized after offering to write this post that there was a sentence of two that I tacked on, and I thought, I'm not sure the world needed more than just the quote. What am I doing here? Just let it stand alone? Yeah? What are some other kind of outdated terms? Uh? Descriptors? Fox? Oh she's a real Fox? Yeah that's out. That's out. Um, bad news for Connie Fox. That that didn't carry over? Uh, Babraham Lincoln? Was that ever? Like a real that wasn't in my that wasn't in my Lexiconda was using babysaurus rex? Is that around it? I mean I did not call a person this necessarily about definitely not something that I had leaned on. I mean it's over, rot baby, I mean it's been over. It's he pulled it out of he pulled it from the grave. Let's put it back. Put it back, let it be. That's a beautiful woman. That feels kind of that feels also awkward. I don't know who you're telling this to you, but I'm sure you know I've talked with you outside of work. I know what terms you you like to use for people in general, people that you like or dislike. All right, let's move on, um Robert Kraft. Ah. Meanwhile, on the throne of vis New England Patriots won their fifth Super Bowl title in the Craft era uh back in February. Uh. And guess what what Craft says there is no more room for Super Bowl banners at Gilette Stadium. I mean, you gotta you gotta have some onions to come out and say this to to a public that could be filled with Jets and Browns fans. Onions. This via the Boston Herald. We had a problem. We had no more room uh to put banners, so we had to change the construction around. So we have a surprise for our facts. Oh, I am so excited did for this freaking surprise. I cannot wait until we get to see on the first game of the Year Thursday Night, about a month from now. I can't wait until the pregame show where uh your boy Bob Costas breathlessly describes how they built an entire new wing at Gillette Stadium to house the Super Bowl banners. You gotta have some onions. Well this gets this is I mean, as a Jets fan, Danny, for you, this is just another chapter in the absolute, you know inglorious scenario between your team and there's I will say this, how about women with grace, with dignity, Well, with doing your job. That's out the window. They's talk about do your job. This isn't part of the You can't see that this franchise has been through a trying off season. You suddenly realize that this sort of what ten by fifteen foot cloth banner, there's nowhere to put it. You can't see that that would cause some sort of turmoil inside the building. You're totally heartless. Again that trial that they're going through and that Belichick chant at the parade. Yeah, your cadence is to be a little quicker than that bill. They don't have everything figured out. They think they have everything figured out. Even the drunken mass has had a hard time keeping up with that. Yeah, so all right, let's just move on because I'm very upset. Now. Uh, here's something I want to talk about. I think it's time. You know, we visited it last week. This is something to keep tabs on. Uh, it's time to check in on the Pressure Valve. Absolutely. I mean there's a lot going on with Brown's second year tight End Seth de Valve. The buzz continues to build as we delve deeper into camp. We're in the second week of Brown's camp and the promises there. That's why I want to examine it further in this week's edition of Oh I'm doing it again again. All Right, we're gonna take you through some documented set the Valve News July. Patrick Max of The Brown's official website tweets in quotes Hugh Jackson, praising second year tight end set the Valve, says he's stronger, big than last year. In quotes, he's hungry and younger because as well he is. J NFL Network Fantasy analyst Marcus Grant watches coaches film of second year tight End Seth devalves two highlights from last season and tells me in a private MySpace chat, Seth DeValve is as if Rob Gunkowski and Kelen Winslow had a baby and send it to be tutored in a distant land by Ozzie Newsome. You have private and MySpace chats with other dudes. In two thousand seventeen, Marcus and I do we go? We go deep on the fantasy. You know that's almost suspicious. I find it suspicious, but I'm I wanted to be honest. There's almost no Internet footprint for anybody on my space anymore, so I feel like that's where you would go where a Forredsick's team would not be able to dig it up? Would you rather than I create lies in my reporting? This is how we how we contact each other. August one, Veronica Lily from Veronica Lily Sports on the web dot Net tweets that Seth DeValve was leaving Brown's camp for his spartan Furniture List studio apartment and discovered a kitten hobbling in pain through a green meadow. DeValve ran to the kitty cat, picked up the tiny animal, and cradled it in his six ft three two d forty five pound frame, placing the baby animal back on the grass. Devalves showed no outward emotion as the kid. He bounced around at full speed, darting to and fro completely healed total gentle giant move right there. August two, following a fourteen catch two hundred and eighty seven yard five touchdown performance in practice, second year tight end set de valve Tell's teammates he can't join them for a fish fry at Cody Kestle's apartment because he has somewhere to be. ABC News reporter Alexis Benz later files a story about a six ft three, two hundred forty five pound mystery man we're in a number eighty seven Browns jersey and being seen fleeing a Cayuga Heights warehouse and intense superhuman speeds. Cleveland police later entered the warehouse and discover a band of twenty two white collar criminals tied up and gagged on the floor of the building. Authorities later revealed that these white collar hoodlums, a band of greedy x C e O S and accountants, have been working on a plan to strip the United States of all flying creatures owls, eagles, hummingbirds, swallows. Robin seagulls everything, which would pave the way for insects to destroy all of America's crops, allowing these greedy whites to control the food trade and turn our nation into a gaggle of vapid zombies. When police found this horde of tied up white collar criminals, white collared, white collared whites, they discover a message spray painted on the floor of the warehouse which reads, please be kind to animals. That's all we have from Pressure Valve. One one more thing. The reporter from ABC what was her Alexi Spends from ABC News in Cleveland. You don't go reporting live that you know, there was an unidentified male. He's wearing a jersey with his name on it. Together. She does not operate, uh, solely in the sports world. I don't think she connected those dots. I've connected the dots for you. That was another edition of Pressure Valve. That was a good one. Mark. I'm just it's just it's what's out there. It's what I'm hearing, and I got a good feeling he might make the practice squad across my fingers for your team. The arrow is pointing up. Let's move on, all right, It's time for today's training camp Spotlight presented by New Era. And uh, you know, Mark, the New York Jets stop me if you heard this one before. They have quarterback problems. Well, I mean I feel like since about age twelve that's been the case for them. Age twelve age Well, where was that like nineteen sixty nine. I don't care, you can't ken O'Brien was a quarterback problem they've always had. Concluding ken O'Brien is not a not a potentially perfect solution. Yeah, anyway, that nothing has changed. In fact, you know the story that there's a lot of ideas about scam for Sam and the idea that the Jets are tanking to to get the first overall pick, whoever that may be. We don't know who's gonna come out next year, blah blah blah blah all that. So right now the Jets have to forgot who's gonna who's gonna be their quarterback? And this is what it's come down to. And this is how I see, Mark, you could jump in whenever you feel it's appropriate. Uh, I might just let you fill a buster for five minutes here. So Josh McCown, the thirty eight year old journeyman. You're you're very well aware of his abilities or lack thereof. Um, he is considered the favorite. But I really do feel and I feel like this speaks I speak for a lot of Jet fans out there too, that, uh, if Christian Hackenburg can play at all, if he can, if he shows the any progress in camp, um, you just put him in day one because you just gotta see what it is there. There's nothing with Josh McCown to get out of it now. I will say this to Mark. One voice I really respect in in the coverage of the Jets is rich Tomini who said that it is short sighted. He believes it's shortsighted to put uh a young quarterback in before he's ready. I don't care if you if you're a team that's rebuilding, if you don't put in a quarterback that knows what he's doing, uh, it's gonna mess up all the other progress of your young players. You try to try to understand what you have on your team. Do you want to keep going forward? Um? Do you think that is the better way to look at this? Which makes Josh McCown, assuming he's not a complete disaster and training camp the right guy right now for the Jets. Josh McCown has dominated first team reps in camp so far, which that can all change. But I don't think that you can go into meetings with your players and your fellow coaches if Hackenburg or Bryce Petty look very average, which is very possible, and say we're gonna start someone other than Josh McCown because you're you. I get, I get what the potential plan here by the front office is that you're gonna probably get that number one pick. Josh McCown is two and twenty over the past three seasons. He has played for the two thousand and four teen Bucks and the Browns on the past to two years, three of the worst teams we've seen in the last decade, and so here he is on maybe even the worst of that group. But you cannot simply roll out Christian Hackenburg in week one and try to sell that to your fans and your better and players as a solution. Well, I don't know if that's a solution, but I think the Jets, even the Jets would be willing to admit, Okay, we're a little worried whether this Hackenburg thing is gonna be a total disaster second round pick last year. But I think like if and Hackenberg has shown progress. We've seen reports that that he's looked good, that he's gone through four practices without throwing an interception, which I know seems like nothing, and it is nothing mostly, But there's the same guy that he was being mocked for hitting reporters with Aaron Passes, who looked not even close to already in the preseason where he got last year. So it's better than the other way, where it's like Christian Hackenberg has looked like Blake Bortle's combined with Ryan malt. So my thing is as long as he if he shows enough that they don't feel like they are just giving themselves zero chance, just roll with it, because how much more how much more development are you gonna get for the younger guys with Josh McCown. Josh McCown is a limited passer. Here's the thing, and there are there are a handful of teams that have young quarterbacks, are not good football teams and are in the running for one of these big time college quarterbacks in the next year's draft. So I think for every one of those teams, you have to play your young quarterbacks. If the season doesn't get off to a good start, you have to see Christian Hackenburgh. You have to see if you're Cleveland de Shaun Kaiser before you decide to go draft someone at spot one, two or three in the draft. So there's a lot of logic to play Hackenburg. I don't think Petty is part of that equation at all. I think he is very much in the reps. He's barely he's barely done the outside looking in here as he should be. He's kind of like a two three type quarterback. I think that's what it comes down to. It's it's uh, if you get if you get Hackenburg, just as long as you get him enough starts where you can make a real evaluation, what is that? What about the seconds, eight games, the second half of the year, something like that. And if if you really think he needs half a year to come in after sitting out last year, that tells me a lot too. So what the organization feels about Christian Hackenburg will a lot of that will be illustrated by how long it takes them to play him. Where are you on the peace scale When it comes to Josh McCown, who by the way Josh McCown has had a couple of games where he's been very competent, and he is. I do believe in Josh McCown, if you're at a better team around him, that he could win you five or six games if that happened with the Jets, if he gets them into a situation where instead of going oh and nine, like everyone predicts that they're three and six, and they get to four or five wins. I mean, what's your concern level that this whole plan is going to blow up in the face because they're not gonna be bad enough. You said, pea scale, pea scales ten because the Jets. No one's better than the Jets and messing up being bad but also not being bad bad enough to get a good pick. That's why Marcus Mariotte is not their quarterback right now. A couple of late meaningless wins a couple of years back. So yes, the peace scale level is high. Just another reason why not to have m account in there. The only thing you do is hurt you in the long term. Oh my god, it's gonna be a wild season. I said it downstairs at the news room yesterday. This is the first time in my life as a Jet fan. I'm openly waiting for the season to be kind of over. I'm excited about the next chapter, which is the draft next May, next April. I just want to get through this intact. Here's how I feel for your dad who just retired. He finally has time. Life is going to be fantastic. He has time to really sit down and dig in with the Jets, enjoy a football season without having to worry about what's coming on Monday with work. And he's gonna watch a Ripe disaster. They're gonna go to and fourteen and he's gonna watch every snap because he's that kind of fans. Yes he is. At least he has the Yankees. That was today's training Camp Spotlight presented by New Era. Speaking of New Era, UH, their NFL Training Collection has a great combination of innovative performance and style, with features like you have a Beauvy protection, moisture wicking and cooling technology. There's no reason. There's no reason you shouldn't make the New Era NFL Training Collection a part of your daily tire. Available at retailers like Lids, NFL Shop and Dick's Sporting Goods in your favorite team, except not my favorite team. They put everyone else's favorite team on the on the table here, let's move up next. Well, you know, we had a lot of a lot of technical difficulties that we're dealing with in this show. Mark. Not only is it just you and I, we're missing bodies. But original plan was to have uh connor or come in today do a little or you kidding me? Uh? He had something to get off his chest, and he really did. It's never good when he's not able to get things off his chest. In fact, when we tried to get the segment off the ground, we saw what kind of state he was in. And now he has to take that back into his household. Yeah, I think he may now have a second issue to get off his chest, which was the entire experience he just spent with the two of us. Yeah. Yeah, something tells me he's going to keep his podcasting exclusively to the Heat and Light podcast going forward. Well, he was not, He was not happy, but um, anyway, so we had the issue we're not gonna have Connor on. Also another issue we part of having Connor on, we're gonna get Patrick Kagogo, who is up on the second floor. Uh, he's working on the creative producer side. And we're gonna get the axe man in here. We call him the axe man, that's what that's what you call him. And now I will do yeah and um and have him way all away on his axe during or you kidding me? Uh, And and we're gonna still have him on because why why not. We gotta get Kagango in here. He's got his axe, he's got his amp. So let's welcome Patrick Kagango onto the round the NFL pokast. Hey, Patrick, give us a little bit of a riffage. Very nice, very nice? Can you put your headset on? Patrick? Uh? Kagogo And we had a little issue. Um, we wanted to ramp things up with Kagogo and or you kidding me? So not only yeah and not only that segment not happening, we also wanted to get Uh to really increase the Kagogo experience. Uh. So he said, Hey, let's get a fog machine in here for his riffage, and Uh and Sully and walk behind the glass doing their job. They said, let's let's workshop this thing. Let's let's make sure it works. So yesterday, uh, Tuesday, they brought the fog machine into the studio and fired it up. It fire is a good word because it set off the smoke alarms and it led to the evacuation of every employee at NFL Media. We're talking five people, could be a thousand. I have no idea during the busiest day potentially that we've had in like six or something. If you're watching the video show, we have audio. We have video footage taken by yours truly, truly, no triple source needed, boots on the ground. We have some photographs here and um so, no fog machine, no connor, no, are you kidding me? But we still have Kagongo and uh hey, how about some more sweet riffage? Sure so, Patrick, just so you know we're trying. No, this is really entertaining, this is fun. Things happen. Did we interrupt your day when the fire alarm went off? For you? I would imagine you were busy when this when this occurred? No comment? Yeah, well it's what this podcast generates. No revenue essentially for the league. That probably costs them four and a half five thousand dollars. So yeah, anyway, it was nice working with you guys. So here we go. Um, we're gonna do the mail bag instead with kagango. It doesn't make any sense. There's no connective tissue. You're getting more cogango though. Yeah, but we we have an axe man ready to shred. You got to use them. So at some point maybe this will be we could do this together, Mark, when it feels right for a shred. Uh, you know shred. You you and him work in symphony. I'm going to allow you to to point out you two are. You've got a thing going on, a mutual artistry. So I don't want to interrupt. I will answer the questions when I'm asked to pass the buck there, Mark, Okay, then let's get into it. We'll start and thank you to everyone that's said in questions. Uh, we'll start with the O'Neill factor. At the O'Neill factor wearing an unfortunate Boston Red Sox cap. What's more likely? Brady Brady wins seven rings? I assume he means Tom Brady. Uh, Aaron Rodgers wins four rings, Jamis Winston wins two rings or Trabiski mahomes Kaiser Watson win one. Oh. I kind of like this, Okay, so let's break it down. Brady's got five right now, he's turning forty tomorrow actually, but there is there is no ceiling on the roof or whatever m J said. So we don't know how much long you're gonna hanging on. The Patriots heavy favorites to get six this year. So that's interesting. Rogers has one still one, sitting on one, not getting any younger. That's that's aggressive. Winston wins two, It's hard to even begin to try to process that. We don't know really where his career is going, although it's off to a good start. And then Trabiscuit, mahomes Kaiser Watson just one out of the four of those names. What do you think so that not the bottom forsom? One of them needs to win one. Basically, yes, I am going to go with that because the concept of Brady winning two more, Winston winning two, or Rogers winning three, it's hard to get to multiple super Bowls. You could be Jamis Winston win one and never get back. Look at Cam Newton. We don't know what will happen with Cam Newton. I don't love this forsom. I don't know anything about them yet. One of them is a Brown's second round pick, So you're you're giving him like equal shot at the other three. I just think you're asking four people to do one thing more than one person to do thing multiple times. I think I that's a Greg Rosenthal type answer. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I feel like if you were someone that drove to the desert and like to talk about things, uh, maybe hang out with Spice Rack for a night at the pool. Brady makes the most sense just because that team is historically dominant. People are talking nineteen and no, so he's only two away. Rogers needed to get a second one at some point, Winston, I don't know, so I'm gonna go with Brady. So guess what, Patrick Kaganga, The Patriots win yet again? A little throne of ease. All right, we do a little better than that? Oh sure, I mean we got you here? All right? Moving on? Here we go. This run from Neil Ricard. I'm sorry if I get the names wrong. It looks like he's drinking a tasty beverage rocking Ricard. If the Packers fail again in the playoffs or fall short of them, will we finally see the end of Teflon dom. That's defensive coordinator dom Caper's, Mike McCarthy and or GM Ted Thompson, Mark Well fall short could create changes. I I don't think you get rid of Mike McCarthy. I think dom Caper's is a candidate to retire after this season. And Ted Thompson, you know, he got a voice of confidence from from ownership this offseason. But they've got some talented younger guys in the front office that they could they could raise up. So why am I continuing to Well, I was assessing. I'm gonna say no. I think if you're Green Bay, they they're not an organization that kind of throws throws things in the blender very often. So you give him one more shot. He's Teflon dom for a reason. Uh, he's going nowhere. Ever, Mike McCarthy well loved that building. Uh, it seems like and Thompson is not going anywhere. In fact, I would think fail in the playoffs also, that could be losing in the Super Bowl, but I'm assuming it means another divisional loss or maybe they get to the conference title game. Whatever. But to answer the question, nobody's going anywhere, especially not Teflon. Don Patrick sounds like a Packers fan he was excited about that rift. By the way, this is the stupidest thing we've ever done. Well, listen, we are using all our resources to the maximum we've got. You know, we're missing people. We've added an excellent musician, a guitar man. Next tweet Ryan Dieter at the Deep sixty three? When can we expect the fantasy Extravaganza's Mark's favorite time of year, and it also is the time where we get to send Mark over to his fantasy corner where it's a very violent place, a lot of crime. Where's the crime rate right now? At Maybe we'll find out later this month, yea, and more research on that. It's heavy. Yeah, it's like it's very bad. It's Chicago. Yeah, En, let's do some let's read up on its um anyway, the answer to that is in three weeks. Next up matt Rose and at Maddie Rose. Mattie Rose has to say this will the Shield three pet with the current skipper or next summer Willie George Seafort jump in and take credit for the dynasty. Um, I'll take this one, Mark, Yes, I I am as you should. I hung up the cleats on the famous tweet. Now, um, if some if I did. If I don't come back and someone else steps in seaffort for Walsh style and wins the Super Bowl, I think a part of me will be very kind of bummed out. I miss out on that. So Kaganga play me the Blues. I got the retirement. I'm telling you right now, you are coming back. I can feel it. I just I think it's time to step away. I think it's time. And at Falcon's underscore, Andy, which book or film has had the greatest impact on you? That's a good one, Marco. I'll throw with you on this. You know. I took a look at this one before, and it kid always rotates for me. I love the book of Fans Notes West and I love it. We both equally love it. I love the book on the Road. I love the film Thin Red Line. But I as a kid, I didn't even discover the nerd line until, like I was an adult. So there's many favorite movies and books in my life. Yeah, I would say the early works um of Chuck Klosterman definitely led to me going through a phase in the mid two thousands where I was unconsciously plagiarizing his writing style, which everyone goes through those phases. I think when you're writing, when you fall in love with the writer. Um uh More recently, I don't know, I don't and I can't really speak to it. There's a lot of music that I feel has had a huge impact in my life, But in terms of book or film, I don't. I don't don't really set up. I'll tell you one documentary, Sherman's March. Looking up on Netflix. It is insane. Netflix sounds an amazing library. Next up, Jeff Rhino at, Next up, Jeff Rhino at I g in l a fire. Okay, Brady and Belichick fall off this season hashtag slight regression and retire. Which coach slash QB combo has best chance to form the next dynasty? I kind of like this one. What do you got Mark, Hugh Jackson, Deshaun Kaiser sticking with that it's a bit. It is not a bit because the answer is Todd Bowles and Christian Hackenbud. I feel like Jeff Rhino did not get the analysis he was looking for there. I'll throw a real one out there. Let's go with uh, let's see, I can't do it. I wanted to go Marcus Mariota. I can't get behind uh, I can't get behind Malarkey. I'm sticking with my answer. I fully believe it. You do you honest? I fully believe it all right. Next up, I know you don't believe that Joe dirt at Papa Timber. Now that Legarret Blunt is a member of the Eagles, how do you think it will affect his starting spot on the Patriots? Love it? Ah? He will be starting for New England by Halloween. Clever but also insightful. Moving on. This one is from uh Pones? Is that right? Poems at Enrique Pones? A lot of ways you can take this one out of the four games in the UK this season, which will be the best slash worst matchup? Okay? Do you have the you have the schedule? Mark? I do? Okay. Let's let's let's go through the games one by one. Okay, So Baltimore Ravens first, Jacksonville Jaguars. I don't go with the app because give me a break on one of the being at home team. So it's basically you get to watch three to six Blake Worlds interceptions. Justin Tucker, Uh, just go and goat on the field. See see to see minus. I put that at number four out of the floor. Uh. The next one is Arizona Cardinals l A Rams little sauce a little bit. What do you think of little jet leg little? Yes, you're right about that. I like that one. I made that my second, my number two. Okay. I didn't want to go fully in order here. I mean, if the if the Rams are or saucy this year, if if McVeigh in all seriousness, if if McVeigh comes in there and he was impressive at the end of all or nothing, and Goth makes strides and that defense looks good. They lost easily, but the Aaron Donald will be back and the Cardinals bounce back. The Vision game, there is also a flip side where the Cardinals are in in uh gradual decline here and the Rams are still the Rams, and it's a bad game. You get like a ten nine score. I'm with you, though I haven't heard the other two games yet, but right now it's one interdivisional two. So alright, so you've got Saints Dolphins, Saints Dolphins to seven and nine teams squaring off. I mean, I I actually enjoyed watching the Dolphins for part of last season, the Saints or eternally on my radar. Yeah, the Dolphins. Was just cheap shot at the Dolphins. I enjoyed doing that, but could be a shootout, could get excited there, definitely could to potentially too bad defenses. I put that number three. Okay, I'm gonna put that ahead of the last game. I think that's the number two game for me right now, or number one, because I haven't heard the last one. Well, the last one is the Vikings versus the Cleveland Browns. Dan all right, well, listen, locked in Loaded is my number one game. I like it. I like the idea that, uh, maybe this is the Browns back bounce back season and the Vikings it's early enough in the season they might be really frisky early on. I'm we're talking to defensive slugfest, playoff implications or draft implications. Okay, one or the other. Moving on. Tristan Cuss Cuss, Hello, rights, does Mark drink rose? That's very I mean, that's just a straight up question for you. Mark. That feels insulting. Um. I will be honest though, if it were in there, if we're the last thing in the house and it were like midnight and We're Saturday night and I needed, you know, something to top off the evening with. I might, but I don't even know if I've ever had rose. There's no I'm not really. My boss drinks it eternally, NonStop. It's a Sunday drink. There you go. He drinks it at brunch your Sundays afternoon, not brunch Sunday afternoon. You're chilling. The weekend has been a little live. It's your rose guy. Down wind down, there you go. That's when I start with the vodka. So I you know, we're in different worlds here. But don't let a little advice to everyone. Don't let anyone ever booze shame you. If you like something, drink it. Everybody else f off. See Kaganga's loosening up now and I really like it. Chris Boulding at Sea Boulding, Which NFL player would you want to pick you up from the airport? Um, I'll start with this one. I think it would depend. Uh. Handsome Henks behind the glass, Hansome Henk, you want to jump on here, come on, come on through. I think is here and he's very he's a very powerful third floor entity. Now he's a genuine shadowy league figure at this point of his career, which is a compliment but also a friend friend, but that's could be fading as he gets more powerful. The only thing I've said it many times, the only thing standing between Henry uh and becoming the commissioner one day is his accent. Well, this sport allow an Englishman to actually be the ace of the league. I believe you would be a great commissioner. Can we get past stereotype? The final frontier for the NFL is international domination. So why not say We're going to throw you and Olive Branch rest of the world and have someone from outside the United States. Well, I don't think that's going to be acceptable. The big issue is is what you can hear right now my voice? Wait, but you have a really good American I wouldn't say really good and entertaining American accent Texan. Can we just hear? Yeah? And I can't imagine the commissioner. I'll give you the line. Ready, here we go? Um I am. I am excited and honored to be named as Roger Goodell's successor as the NFL Commissioner. I'm excited and honored to be the commissioner the NFL. Okay, so you're also from I don't think I don't think I could do that. I don't think we could keep that going for twenty years. Three press conferences, we have a couple more um uh mail bad questions, So I figured exciting. So this one was, which NFL player would you want to pick up from the airport? Um? Why? Just that's a better question, open ended. Why would I be picking a NFL player up from an apple? Would you want to would want to pick you up? To pick me up? Why would they be picking me? Well, I think we need to worry. Let's worry about the larger life logic of this and just sort of drill down and answer the question. Yeah, I think it would be if you want, if you want meat and potatoes, a long trip, I just want to get home. Drew Brees, he's just gonna he's not gonna be an entertaining conversationalist. He's gonna have ways set up. His phone will be charged, he'll pick you up, the car'll be clean, he'll take you home. If you want. Kind of a wild card, I don't know. Throw throw one out for me, mark a wild card for me. A lot of times, like you're flying home, your vacations over, you're feeling depressed. You always want to extend that vacation one more night. So I want Marcel Darius, who was nailed for essentially like drag racing a couple of years ago. He's gonna make it interesting. Los Angeles is gonna be ours like that. I live very close to the airport as well, so I don't with him. That would be literally over in a minute and a half. We'd be home. Well, if you to get home really quick, you get Sheldon Richardson just like that. Um, let's move on with the next question. This from Logan Newsome at Pick Up the Chisels. That's a good one. What are the chances of Dan getting behind a hashtag cancel the Warriors hashtag say basketball type movement. It's not, yeah, it's it's fair Logan, because of course that is. I'm really pushing hard to get the Patriots out of the NFL. UM. I don't know if it's it's gonna happen, but the pay the Warriors are getting into that realm now and port Hank, who is ultimate fear when he goes on check, is that they will swerve to talk about the NBA. First time we've ever talked about the end of the day on the show. But yeah, the same, it's the same situation. You want to have enough competitive balance where you don't go into a new season with a ninety percent chance knowledge of who's gonna win the Super Bowl. Uh so, yes, I would get behind that movement. But I'm also a sad Knicks fan, so I have no horse in the race either. It's not like an affects me on any level. Shout out to Frank. Shout out to Frank. He is the truth. Him and porzingis do it right. This guy's full of surprises. A much more vibrant campaign than I could get behind. Is canceled. The National Hockey League entirely remove it. Is it still going? Why? Why would you so many people love the sport? It is time? Well, this is my campaign. I'm not saying everyone else needs to get behind it. These are things that are annoying to me. Hockey would be one of them. Goodbye. You should know that in my ear, Wilkes said next tweet, as you were beginning to rebuttal there, so he's not really plugged in. I can't get behind it. Either next biggest reveal about hockey. By the way, I was watching some of the whatever, the Final that whatever they call it, and the Stanley Cup. There are only three quarters in a hockey game, period, so it couldn't be couldn't be right exactly. You haven't finished yet, boy, I'm with you. Any any detracting element that you can drum up, I will gets a bad bad job by hockey periods periods. Uh, Simon Dixon at ziggy zep I live in Australia and chose chose to support the Jets several years ago. Uh, what are your life's biggest regret. We'll start with you on that one mark that's dark. Um, your biggest regret, I don't. I don't feel like I have a huge lingering regret, probably like when you're young, Like I was way too uh kind of like rigid in my thinking, and I think I would like if I could go back and be like twenty three for like two weeks, I would take every risk possible, ask every girl out, go to every single bar, go to multiple countries, like get lost in Ibiza for like fourteen days. I mean, I would just redo this carefully planned like section of my youth. Did it feel carefully planned at the time, No, I don't know. I mean, I you don't know what in Arizona for There were elements I'm not saying. I mean, I don't know how much, how much more, how many more risks you could have taken? Okay, there were some things that did happen. It wasn't non risk taking, but more I was definitely, um, it was definitely, really really bad with women, um, all through through high school into college and I, as I learned later on, is that you just have a little bit of confidence in yourself. Um. So similar to what you were saying, that's not my biggest Everyone who's young is like super beautiful, even if you don't think you are. When you're young, you are, so you gotta ride with it. I do like the idea of the people that are like absolutely no regrets, no regrets, shut up, fool uh any regrets? Patrick? Besides coming on our show tonight, I have no regrets. I'm in a good space. I just got engaged. So, Henry, we know you have young many I have a lot of regrets. I try not to look at them too too closely because it makes me sigh. How about a band any your homeland. Do you ever feel that everything? Yeah, I mean you know what we we the the thing that got me expelled from my homeland is probably the biggest regret when it wasn't really it wasn't really expelled. Can you play something kind of about regret. I don't regret doleful Vinny house plan our friend, uh Vinny, uh Dan, I missed the toaster if game. If the game is dead and will no longer be played and tucked away collecting dust, may I buy it? I love you? I write hits uh Vinny does right right hits um if you check check them out and look him up on Twitter. Um. I would like the toaster games that will come back. But it's all about uh West and whether he wants if he wants it. It's about with West wants if the fire is still in his belly, and it was, and that's not even it. That's not a I'm not insulting West. It was very clear and he would acknowledge it that he had lost that edge, that feeling that he wanted to compete. The second it comes back, I'd be all for it. The show potentially or that game show. I should say if that's what we want to call. It ran its course in West's mind at this stage, he'd have to he'd have to change. But it is our ark of the Covenant, the toaster itself. We're not gonna send it. We love you any but we're not gonna send it to anyone listener to possess it. It is unpossessed. As as a as a big fan of the podcast, I missed that. But I also admire the fact that you guys like great British sitcoms. You know, you knew when it was time to pull the plug. You know, let's let's move on and do something different. And you've evolved and you've gotten new bits shot at American Television by the way, Yeah great, And uh finally, uh this one from a friend of the show, a frequent guest of the show, the great Lindsay Rhodes, who gave birth to a beautiful baby girl recently. She will be coming back soon. She has a question, how much do you guys missed me? A so much? Be even more than a cee. We're bringing the pot to your house up front of the season. You're not invited. Uh D all the above click that real what I'm going to e we're shorthanded today. We could have used Liz Lindsay in the studio. Stop slacking, get in here, get like the Lions, the Lions taking their time to start their training camp. Lindsay, alright, you have you have two kids. Now, nice maternity to leave. Let's get to work. Come on, we need you write. The season is about to stop. So we miss you. What are you doing? We miss you, Lindsay, but get back here, Shredditt Kagango, Thank you, Patrick Kagango. You did it. Just that sound American. Lindsay will be she's she's just awakened from a slumba. Well she's at this point she will have completely written us off. Patrick, thank you for joining us, Thank you for going with the audible there Henry stopping by. However short, it was great, Toe, we enjoyed it. H visit from a third floor figure Maybe gets all the way to the big chair. Probably not, probably probably not, but it's good. Keep working on it, Keep working on it. Maybe you could define the odds. We will be back on Friday with another show. Thank you to everyone to remember that you can check us out NFL dot com. Slash a t N video uh Tonight Wednesday, nine thirty eastern sixty Pacific UH. And you can watch this this bizarre show unfold on videos. So until hear from us again, this is Dan Hansons signing off four Handsome Hank, Quiet Storm, Kagongo, Wilk and Sully Behind the Glass plus show till Friday