Ep #75: SAT Test Prep for International Student-Athletes with Jenny Cochran from Arbor Bridge

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Well, listeners, let's talk about the famous SAT exam today on In the Huddle.
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Some people have heard of it in the movies, but aren't quite sure exactly what it is.
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These days, rumors swirl in the world of college recruiting that the once crucial SAT exam score is no longer required at universities in the USA, which is not true, by the way.
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There is nothing quite like the SAT exam to compare to here in Australia.
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It's a test we need to know about, though.
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It's a test that students really can't study for.
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But what you can do is prepare for it.
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And that's exactly where our valued partners, Arbor Bridge, come in.
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So joining me today here on In the Huddle is the lovely Jenny Cochrane from Arbor Bridge program and to talk all things SAT, current trends, study tips, and a whole lot more.
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So we welcome you today, Jenny, and can't wait to dive into this.
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Yeah, thank you so much for having me on.
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I think it is such an important topic.
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I mean, where it's just one piece of the admissions cycle and program, it is a it is a critical piece.
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So I'm excited to talk about it today.
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Yeah, terrific.
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And and I said at the top, which you will not have heard, that in Australia, certainly people have heard of the SAT.
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So I think it's probably not a bad place to start, is just really stripping it back and actually explaining what this SAT is all about.
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There are still a lot of people in Australia who don't really know what it is.
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They may have heard of it in the movies.
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Uh-huh.
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That's about it.
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Right.
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So let's why don't we strip it back first and just explain what is the SAT in principle and what is it testing with these students?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Let's go there.
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And let's just say, first of all, there's so much negativity sometimes around these tests and horror stories, like you said, hearing about it in the movies.
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But I hope what I impart upon today is that it is a standardized test.
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So what happens with college admissions officials is they are evaluating students, students all over the world.
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And so they need to evaluate them on somewhat of a level playing field.
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And when they look at something like the grade point average, there's a lot of variables there that can vary.
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A 4.0 with one student might be different with a 4.0 of another student from a different country, or even with the United States is different state by state.
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So admissions professionals really like this test because it's standardized.
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So it's not the same test on every date, but they at least know that every student that takes the test June 3rd got the exact same test at the exact same time under the same conditions.
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So they have this metric that they can use to evaluate students very equally.
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And like I said, it's just a piece of the admissions story, but that standardization is really important to the higher ed officials.
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It's a test that's broken down by verbal and math, two sections.
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It's it's fully digital.
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In its history, it was on paper.
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So we have a lot of parents that come to us and say, Well, I took it on the paper, but it's fully digital now.
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And the other really cool component of it is that it's adaptive, which means that as a student works into the first module, of whether that be the verbal or the math, they are answering questions that will determine the complexity of the second module.
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Um, so there's a strategy to that.
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So for example, if a student gets more than 22 questions correct, they will actually get a module that's a little bit more difficult for the second half of that section that will allow them to get a higher score.
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If they score less than around 22 questions, right, they will get a lower module, meaning they can still get a high score, but not, you know, nothing going over, for example, like a 1290.
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Fantastic piece of information, Jenny.
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Because that yeah, I was one of those people from the the dark ages who um took it on paper that test.
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So me too.
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So um and yeah, like that, I think that is, it's again, that's a that's great that it's moved with the times.
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I guess everything has to.
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So I think in in Australia, it's it's not something we grow up with talking about the SAT.
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It's not required for our entry.
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However, with so many of our student athletes coming out of Australia wanting to go to America, obviously it's a really important test to know about.
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And so one of the things that I've often thought about the SAT, one one thing that you just touched on is it actually it's a very reasonable test and it's very fair in the sense that it can it it will allow you to or it'll cater to your learning capabilities, I guess, mid-tests.
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I think that's amazing, the online modules that you just talked about.
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So but I think in Australia, the SAT is it's gone through a little, you know, a little bit of a change over the last few years for a little bit of history for those listening.
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The SAT was always the probably back in my day, which was a long time ago again, it was really important.
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Lucky it was it was probably more important than school grades, it felt like anyway.
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So it was America's test, it's America's standardized test, and you gotta do it right, otherwise you're not getting in, kind of thing.
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And then we sort of went across that COVID period recently where TTs couldn't be taken for obvious reasons, and so the GPA became uh the boss, basically, and being the number one, you know, part of the admissions process.
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So now we're even seeing the SAT with a little bit of a comeback, right?
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Because it the rumors are out there that it's, you know, it doesn't count anymore, which we we we field those questions every week.
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But it's making a comeback quite uh in terms of its importance.
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It is, and it's for the it's for the reason that I was stating earlier, is it's this standardized metric that admission professionals can really rely on.
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And I like that you mentioned that it's fair, because it it is fair in that sense, and that it does give everyone the opportunity within those modules to succeed according to their aptitude and and their motivation for the test.
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A lot of universities are going back to the test, is kind of the way that we talk about it, because not only for the GPA that's so variable all over the world, but also the introduction of AI and the essay.
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So the essay has always been a really important factor for the student to be able to use their voice to say something about themselves that might tell the story of why they would fit in for that on that team or why they would fit into the university and what they could add to the campus and what the campus can give them.
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And unfortunately, we're still grappling in higher education with understanding whose voice we're hearing.
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Yes.
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And professionals, higher ed admissions professionals are really concerned about that.
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They're not averse as we all aren't in able to detect what's a voice from the student and what's a voice with AI, nor are they completely against AI.
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They know that students are able to use these tools to better themselves, to be more efficient.
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So there's kind of this weird position that admissions officials find themselves in where they don't want to punish people for using AI, but they also don't know how to see what how authentic the voice was.
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So once again, when we have these variables, they need something that's a tried and true metric that somebody from Australia and somebody from Japan that both took the test in August, they can see what that score is.
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Yeah.
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It's very helpful in that way.
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Absolutely.
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I think we're all learning about AI, aren't we?
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I think we're learning on the run as to how to use it, how not to use it, and how how it's affects all of our daily lives.
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But so SAT college board is no different.
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Yes.
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So, all right.
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So I think one of the things I want to touch on, which I think is a critical when we're talking Arbor Bridge and and what your awesome organization is doing, Jenny.
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I think there is a difference between studying for an SAT exam and preparing for it.
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It's always been my take on it.
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It's one of those hard tests to study for.
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You sort of either know the math and you know the verbal or you sort of don't.
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And so what we don't want students to hear when I say that is great, I can just show up.
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And um, I'm either gonna know it or I don't know it.
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But the key word is preparation.
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And I think that's that's where Arbor Bridge comes in.
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So can you just talk to me a little bit about that, the difference I guess that you see between how do I prepare well for an SAT versus studying for it as such?
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Yeah, it's such an important question to ask.
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A lot of students, a lot of really high-achieving students, will come in and they'll take a diagnostic test with us.
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And we can talk about that when we talk about like a general timeline that makes sense to prepare for this test.
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But they'll come in and they will score very poorly on the diagnostic SAT.
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And they can't believe it, and their parents can't believe it.
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And what we need to explain to students, especially students that aren't familiar with this, is this is not generally a test that's testing you on your content knowledge, but it is a strategic test.
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It is asking students to relay, relate, remember content in a highly stressful, heavily weighted timed situation.
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So they know that students going into this test, or most students, you know, like you should have algebra two done, you should have these concepts in.
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Even if students have those concepts, they need to understand that the preparation for this test is about strategy.
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And it's very different from studying for your chemistry test or your history test.
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That is more rote memorization.
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It is studying specific content that then you are relaying to your teacher.
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This is more about strategy.
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Yeah.
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So there are there are differences too.
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That you know, a lot of international students aren't used to this multiple choice exam type setup.
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And so they to practice that, to just keep practicing the multiple choice setup in a timed manner where you have to move quickly through each question is really important.
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So we're less focusing on, oh, what do you know about circles?
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What do you know about gradients, things like that, and more about what is this question asking you?
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And what's the most, what's the quickest way to eliminate answers within that multiple choice and in those foils and answer the question and move on.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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I love that.
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I mean, a lot of it relates to your athletes, right?
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Like how they play and how they strategize as an athlete is a very, very similar to how they should go about this test.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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Strategy, that's a great word.
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I'm gonna use that for now rather than you know just preparation.
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But part of that preparation obviously is strategy.
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So learning how to strategize and how to take the test is probably what we're focusing on here, rather than what's on the test.
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Yeah, we're talking pacing, we're talking stamina, we're talking about when there's an area that you've noticed you've spent too much time on, leave it.
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Leave it.
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It's also noticing areas that are more heavily weighted, maybe than other areas.
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So just learning all of that is going into that test with that strategy, it can make all the difference.
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That's wonderful.
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And in terms of Arbor Bridge, I think this is probably a nice opportunity to just probably just expand a little bit as to what you do, Jenny, and your team to prepare students in that way.
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And so, like you've even just you provided a few tips there, you know, just saying on how to pace yourself.
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If you don't know that that is even something you need to be aware of, you don't know, right?
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And you're gonna find out the hard way.
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So what what are some of the things that you do?
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You know, let's say we've got a young student from Australia, and obviously we've got a few already that are working with you.
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What's the process from, hey, you know what?
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I think I need Arbor Bridge, I need Jenny and her team to help me here.
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What's the first steps to getting them ready?
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Let's say they got a test coming up in three months.
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Yeah, and I love that you said three months.
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Well, and I'm gonna kind of go a little bit beyond Arbor Bridge and just give your listeners like a bigger view of all the options that are out there.
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Of course, I think Arbor Bridge is the best option, and I'll talk about why I think it can move the needle the fastest for families, but I really think it's important that families are equipped with all options when they're looking at how to prepare for this test.
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Phase one, I would say, is the most important phase, and everybody should do it.
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I don't think there's one person, no, there isn't one student in the two decades that I've been in this industry that I have met that should not do this, is they should take a diagnostic exam.
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And at Arbor Bridge, we offer those for free and we we offer it in partnership with you.
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And we ask the student to take, we give them the test, our test.
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It's a proprietary exam that we have created that mirrors the test completely.
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So it's the exact same amount of time.
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It has the it mirrors that adaptive model, it mirrors the complexity, and we've really tried to crack the code on which questions are weighted more heavy than others based on the, you know, how many methodologies are being asked.
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So we have a brilliant curriculum team that is taking the SAT all the time and then creating our diagnostic test.
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We asked the student to take this test like it's official test day.
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So get up at the exact same time you would get up for the test, take the test at the same time official test time would be at have there's no phones, there's no animals, there's no parents around, there's no music being played.
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You are you are pretending that it's test day.
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Take the test.
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In our diagnostic test, we get the exact same breaks that SAT would give.
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If a student of yours has accommodations for reading or time, extra time, things like that, we set the test for that as well because we want to get the most accurate data for your student that we can possibly give them.
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And that data is this is where you are today.
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This is where you are today.
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And then they can work with you all that says, where do I need to be?
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What is that, what does that athletic director say I need to be, or what is the merit scholarship score I need to make?
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And from there you start develop your plan.
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So the first phase, like I said, Arbor Bridge gives free diagnostic tests.
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And there are a lot of them out there, but a 20-minute test or one that asks you 10 questions is not going to give you an accurate data.
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So I highly recommend contacting us.
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You can contact us through your organization for that free diagnostic test.
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Totally agree.
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And just to quickly jump in, if you if you don't mind, Jenny, just you you just touched on what you're referring to when working with us.
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Student athletes, if you're listening, yeah.
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So at that point in time, you you might have already been talking to coaches and you might have one coach who says, Hey, you're actually going to need a 1350 score on this test.
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You're going to actually have to improve from your last test on the English side of it or the verbal side of it or the math or whatever that you'll get some indicator.
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And that's what Jenny was just referring to.
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You know, once you know those types of things, you can sort of gear your preparation and strategy following that to try and improve those floors.
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Yeah.
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Just I just want to.
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Yeah, and yeah, thank you.
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Because I'm not sure what your listeners are aware, but that's where you and I, that's where we really partner together to help these families.
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Like we're able to say, this is the goal score, this is the score the student needs or has been told they need.
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This is how much time we think that's going to take them.
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We are able to look at the data in that diagnostic report and we can break it down by how many hours they'll are going to need to put in to studying with a tutor or without a tutor to get that score.
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And we have that based on our data that we've been collecting since 2004.
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So if a student needs to go up 100 points in the whole test, this much of verbal, this much of math, we can actually tell you the amount of hours that it would take to potentially reach that score.
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So already you are developing a plan.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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I think, yeah, I mean, yeah, the synergies between that and an athlete, as you say, are pretty clear.
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You know, each goal set plan.
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I think athletes like to practice, you know, what it's going to be like on game day, um, same conditions and things like that.
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So it makes a lot of perfect sense to me.
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So that's really, really good.
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It's good insight.
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So and so so after that diagnostic test, if someone, let's say they've exam day comes, they take their SAT, they get their initial score, obviously you're still involved and and you know, you can give some feedback on that score.
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What's the process from in-between tests?
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Because again, for people listening, a wonderful thing about the SAT exam as well is that when we talk about being a fair test, it is a test you can take multiple times, uh, where your best score will be the most considered.
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You know, so in between test one and test two, for example, Jenny, what types of things can students be doing to improve and how does that work?
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Yeah, this is a really good question.
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Um, because again, that pacing is going to be important for a lot of reasons.
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Um, number one, being able to uh fit in the time to work with the tutor or to do self-study with their already busy schedules.
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And number two is to avoid burnout, right?
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So this is all really important with also the idea of having to meet particular admission deadlines.
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So we like to tell international students to start thinking about taking their diagnostic tests about June of year 10 and then start to create that plan.
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The first official test is the longest phase.
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So let's let's we break this down into three phases because generally the data that's out there is that taking three tests is kind of the sweet spot.
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After three, there isn't a large, there isn't that large of amount of improvement.
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So three is kind of the general rule.
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That rule goes out the door if somebody experienced something on one of those test dates, like they had the flu or their dog passed away the night before and they went in and just bombed the test.
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But in general, three official tests is the sweet spot to see the largest score increase.
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So the first phase is the longest.
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We ask students to prep for two to three months before that first official exam.
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Right.
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They'll get the score back.
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We ask them to take a break.
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Like take about three weeks of a break, maybe even a month, prep for one more month and then take the next exam.
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Same thing.
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Take a little bit of a break after that second exam, prep for one more month, and then take the third.
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So it's the largest chunk is right before that first exam.
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And that's because we're really needing to hit hard on what is this test?
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How do we break the code of this adaptive nature?
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How do we really, how do we understand that one thing about the SAT that's really interesting is that there's more than one way to get to the right answer, too.
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Yes.
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So how do we find out with our own learning style how to get to that right answer?
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Is it a process of elimination?
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Or one thing with the international students we notice is when they're reading the comprehensive text in the reading section, they're bringing in a lot of outside knowledge to then try to answer the questions.
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When really we need to teach the international students, stick to exactly what you're reading and answer questions there.
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No outside knowledge.
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And then we have to go over the grammar and the punctuation with them quite a bit.
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But so sorry, I kind of went off on a tangent there.
00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:12.559
No, no, no.
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That's that's great.
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No, I love that tangent because it's I think yeah, testing in general in schools, I think in Australia is different, you know, or international.
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And yeah, I think what we find with a lot of our students is they do tend to overthink the SAT when they're in it and when especially when they're reading in the reading section.
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Yes, yes.
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Just just focus on what you see and answer it, right?
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And give you the best answer by by process of elimination or whatever the strategy is.
00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:44.079
But yeah, no, but that's that's very that's not a tangent at all.
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That's a that's a good tangent at all.
00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:50.960
I will tell you one we're one other trend that we see with international students.
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So that's on the verbal side, it's usually that they have a little bit more areas for improvement around grammar and punctuation.
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And then again, the reading, comprehension, really just sticking to the text and and staying with that information.
00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:13.759
On the math side, one of the things that we're noticing with students is they don't have any experience with the online calculator that's built into the SAT, which is called Desmos.
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It's a free app online.
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And so one of the first things we do with all of our international students is like get on Desmos and start playing around with it on your own.
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Start to get familiar with it.
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And then we have all these tricks and tools.
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Desmos is really interesting.
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I'll tell you, I took the math section and then and then I had a 30-minute tutoring session with one of our tutors on how to use the Desmos calculator, and my math score went up 45 points.
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Wow.
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Just because I didn't know how to use, I was using my own calculator.
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Um, so that online tool is understanding that and understanding how helpful it is.
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How do we is another big one?
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D-E-S-O-S.
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Desmos.
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Yes, it's interesting.
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A thousand YouTube videos on it.
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And you can play around with it online.
00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:03.279
That's terrific.
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:13.920
And quick feedback for you, just I'm jumping in there, because one of our students who uh was very, to be honest, very nervous about the SAT and in his own words, not the best test taker.
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He's pretty good at assignments, and I'm sure I'm speaking for many here that are listening.
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But he said that Desmos helped enormously and it was a great tip.
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Getting familiar with it on the app, uh watching YouTube clips on your advice.
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Yeah.
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That helped him enormously when it came to his his SET exam.
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:34.640
So good advice.
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I love hearing that.
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Yeah.
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I love that.
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Yeah.
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So good feedback for you there.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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This is all really, really helpful.
00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:47.039
I think so, in terms of there's so much stuff we could talk about here, Jenny.
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I know.
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Yeah.
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.720
Just trying to think of the things that you know our our families sort of need to know.
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I think what I'd be curious to know would be from your perspective, and again, if we're talking international students, typically we're working with a lot of Australians down here and mostly English speaking as a first language countries.
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Um we do work with a few Southeast Asian countries and some in Europe as well, but um typically Australians.
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:16.160
So what what are the what are the mistakes, I guess, or the barriers?
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What are sort of some of the things that you see international students doing that they should be avoiding?
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:24.160
And you mentioned one before about overthinking and things like that.
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Is there anything else that comes to mind as as a little bit of a tip for them to try and avoid?
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:41.039
You know, I think that we mentioned understanding that this test is a test that's out, and uh and I hate to say this, but it's a it's a test that's out to trick you.
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:41.839
Yeah.
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:43.839
I guess right?
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.519
And so so you and I have been talking about how fair it is, and it's not that bad.
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:50.640
So I hate to use this verbiage, but let me explain what I mean.
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It's a test that is out to trick you.
00:23:53.279 --> 00:24:04.079
It is not necessarily they know that you know content, they have your GPA, they see the classes that you've taken, they've seen the rigor that you've chosen, as well as being a student athlete, right?
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.640
That already tells a tremendous story.
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:18.400
So what they do with this test is here's a test with high stakes, it's timed, it takes strategy, it takes maturity and stamina and preparation.
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.799
So to a higher admissions official, that means college readiness.
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:23.519
Yes.
00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:33.039
So when they see the score, I really want to impart upon your audience that it's it's not measuring intellect.
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:36.799
Yes, it's measuring college readiness.
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This is high stakes.
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You are away from your family, you're in a room with other students, you're being timed, uh, the score is official, it's going to be reported.
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:50.319
Like there's just so much.
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:52.240
So, can a student stay calm?
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Can a student recall the information that they've learned?
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Um, can they apply strategy?
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Did they prepare?
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And in the United States, they take the pre-SAT, their second year of post-secondary school.
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So they're already being taught these concepts, they're already being taught the multiple choice, the multiple choice type exam.
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:26.160
So our international students go at this, like we were talking earlier, like, well, I'm a fantastic student and I am a good test taker, but this is unlike those kinds of tests.
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:35.839
So one of the mistakes is going into this thinking that you're a good test taker and taking it as though you would know, understand this kind of test.
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And it takes practice.
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:47.680
I think one of the things in that timeline that we talked about is in between those phases, we recommend at Arbor Bridge that students take practice tests.
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.519
And this is important.
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.240
And there's two different ways to think about this.
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One way of study that's very antiquated, and I don't recommend it, is to get the college board practice tests and take them over and over and over again.
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:11.839
We know as test prep experts that repetitive study like that is going to produce a little result, but not a big result.
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.519
Because you're not learning what the problem is, right?
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.599
You're not learning that pacing is the problem.
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:25.759
You're not learning that this one problem, you get it wrong every time because it's tricking you, because you're always picking what is your first instinct.
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:39.759
So practice tests with a tutor, with somebody who is looking at your last practice test and dialing in on exactly where you need to focus.
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.839
You don't need to focus on everything.
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You may need to focus on one area because that is the biggest bang for your buck.
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.279
That's going to get the most points.
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:47.680
Yeah.
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.319
Maybe you get the trigonometry question wrong.
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There's one question.
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Who cares?
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I mean, let's really focus on the area that's going to be the biggest amount of points.
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:04.160
So a practice test is again that data that we collect with our student.
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:09.440
And then we can say to them, this is the area you've got one month to your next test.
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:13.680
This is the area you focus on, and this is where we're going to spend our time.
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.920
Because we know that their time is limited.
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So we want to spend it wisely.
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:18.480
I love that.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:24.400
Again, that's another sporting analogy right here for a former teacher, but also a former tennis coach, right?
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:30.880
So I can have a student that I'm coaching go play five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten matches on a weekend.
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:32.960
Um, but I don't get to see that.
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.400
I can't diagnose it.
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:39.200
Um and maybe the same results and same things are happening against the same sort of opponents each time.
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:44.559
But it's only when we can get in and really hone in, okay, you know what, it's actually nothing wrong with any of your shots.
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.559
It's actually the way it's the way you're responding or reacting under pressure.
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.000
And there's no different.
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This is no different.
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.599
So I think the message I'm getting loud and clear for you, Jenny.
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.359
And I wish I'd have got this when I was going through Yeah, me too.
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:06.160
Is yeah, treat it like sport, you know, in a sense, you've you've got to be prepared and you've got to take this seriously.
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.160
It's nothing to be scared of, something you're prepared for.
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:10.559
Okay.
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.559
Be prepared, not scared, so to speak.
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.720
I think is a really good little mantra, and yeah, and it's worth it.
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:35.440
You know, I think one thing that we haven't got to yet, and I want to talk about it quickly, is you know, what it can actually do for you in terms of not only getting into universities that you may not otherwise with a lower score get into, but also not only getting in, but getting some fairly substantial academic scholarship, right?
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:44.559
So turning a 1,200 out of 1,600 score into a 1320 could be worth$10,000 US to your mum and dad.
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:45.440
Yes.
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:46.960
You know, that's incredible.
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.160
So it's worth it.
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.240
It's worth doing the prep and doing the diagnostic is the big thing, right?
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:52.640
Yes.
00:28:52.880 --> 00:29:00.000
If that phase one is critical from what you're saying, you got to get that initial test and diagnostics happening.
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:01.839
Yeah, it's an investment.
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:07.920
And we'll talk about that because I think it's an investment with a huge return, depending on the student's goals.
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.440
So one, a diagnostic is there's nothing but a return on that.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:23.680
So when a student takes their diagnostic, they can then come back to you and say, I don't have the time, or or we may not have the funds to bring the score up to this.
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.680
Well, you were already maybe looking at test optional schools.
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.039
So so maybe you don't need to take the test.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:37.920
Like this just gives you, the counselor and the family, the data that you need to decide how important this test is going to be.
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:39.359
So that's the first one.
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.279
Maybe they don't need another score.
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:43.279
Maybe that was the score they needed.
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.079
Yeah.
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:54.960
If a student decides that they they they need that higher score, they might spend something in upwards of$4,000 in tests in tutoring if they need quite a bit, you know, a bit of tutoring.
00:29:55.039 --> 00:30:02.079
But the MyRet scholarship, like you said, is$10,000 a year,$40,000, the return is is huge.
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:18.000
And one thing that we are really good at is because we're not definitely not the cheapest provider, because our one-on-one is so customized, our practice tests and everything we use with the student is proprietary.
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.759
So we don't use anything online, we don't take anything from College Board.
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:23.839
This is all our proprietary material.
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:33.200
We use an algorithm-based diagnostic to help us to plan for the students and plan that entire curriculum with the with the tutor.
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.519
But we also are very good at working within a budget.
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:47.759
So if a student says, Well, I know you said I'm going to need 30 hours of tutoring to reach that score, but this is what my this is what my family can commit to.
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:53.759
We can create a plan that is a self-study plan and tutor plan.
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.519
So we want to help, we're in the business of helping students.
00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:58.079
Yeah.
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:03.839
So if we have a tutor that says, okay, here's your homework for the next three to four weeks.
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.519
These are the things you need to work on.
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.000
Turn it into me before we meet.
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:09.839
Then the tutor will go over that.
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:10.880
They know what to meet.
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:14.559
There's a meeting, and then there's a new self-study plan after that.
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:21.359
So we're really good at working with a student's schedule and their budget and their goals for higher ed.
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.559
That's wonderful.
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:32.640
And I think just that process itself for a student athlete is healthy because, as you said, working around their schedule and certainly with the student athletes we work with, they're busy.
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.599
You know, they're busy competing, they're busy with friends, they're busy with family, they're getting pulled in so many different directions.
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:38.160
Yes.
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.519
So we need to be flexible in our job as well with our student athletes.
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:48.400
And that's, I think we we're aligned very well with you at Arbor Bridge because you seem to get that as well.
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.039
And I think it's incredibly important.
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:52.079
I love what you said there.
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.519
We're in the business of helping students.
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.599
I often say that we're in the business of opportunity.
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.279
Just this is we're in the business of opportunity.
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:58.079
I love that.
00:31:58.960 --> 00:31:59.359
Yeah.
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:00.880
Very, very similar.
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:02.000
I like that.
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:08.160
Because and again, I think to your to your point about not being the most inexpensive offering out there, Jeannie.
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.160
I think anything worthwhile costs money.
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.119
Being a father myself, kids cost money.
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.119
And then they're worth spending money on, you know, if they've got dreams and aspirations.
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.799
It doesn't get much better than in obviously I'm fundamentally biased.
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:25.759
It doesn't get much better than wanting to send your most prized possession to the other side of the world, right?
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.079
That's an important investment to get that right.
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.119
You know, so you know, I think what you guys are doing is awesome.
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:36.960
But also the fact that you you've got that adaptability to customize to to a budget as well.
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.599
It's great.
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.240
Yes.
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:38.640
Yeah.
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:54.079
And I'll tell you one other thing that we try to do for families too, is that if a if a family purchases 30, 45 hours with us because there's discounts built into those larger packages, but the student meets their goal score in 22 hours.
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.200
Well we don't throw away those hours.
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.519
Those hours are kept for that student if they need help when they're in their collegiate studies.
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:08.400
Those hours can be used when they finish their collegiate studies and they want to study for a graduate degree entrance exam.
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:09.200
We do all of that.
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.119
They can come back to us and use those hours.
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:16.880
They can even pass them on to a sibling if a sibling needs academic tutoring or SAT prep.
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.599
So we we never, we never oversell to a family.
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:29.119
But if a student made their goal score and they still had ours, we want the family to be able to use that and that student to use it.
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:37.119
So we have students, we just had a student come back to us that worked with us in their um middle school years to get into boarding school.
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.640
And then they came back to us for SAT prep and they still had ours.
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.799
So we're doing GRE prep for them right now.
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:43.680
Awesome.
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.240
Love it.
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:44.720
Yeah.
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.039
Yeah.
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:46.400
Full circle.
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.559
So I think helping them right through.
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:49.039
Love it.
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:49.680
Yes.
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:50.160
Yes.
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:55.440
I think like any good partnership and relationship, I suppose that that's that's a good sign, right?
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.319
Those things are yeah, I love it.
00:33:58.480 --> 00:33:58.640
Yeah.
00:33:59.119 --> 00:33:59.680
That's awesome.
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:00.880
No, that's really good.
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.039
I think this is really good for our you know, our families to hear.
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:11.119
I guess I guess I just want to quickly touch on something that we've just just touched on a little bit already.
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:17.599
But I think for the family sitting there now, yeah, this is all well and good, but I'm gonna go to a junior college first.
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:25.840
I don't need an SAT, or I'm uh, you know, I'm only gonna be looking at, you know, SAT optional colleges because I don't really want to take the SAT.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:40.639
And yeah, I think you did touch on Jenny, but I guess something from my from me from studying PlayOSA for those who are sort of feeling that way, I I still think doing a couple of SAT exams is worthwhile because you just don't know, right?
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:46.000
And and often when you're taking your initial SAT, you just don't know what it's gonna lead to.
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:57.760
You may get to college in America and and have an amazing time, but you've outgrown the program and you want to transfer a different university, and that university is gonna go back and look at your old SATs and things like that.
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:07.920
So you're gonna wanna know when you look back that when that university looks back, you've you've got an SAT that you've you know you're proud of, that you know you've worked hard for and maximized.
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.679
So I think our advice in general is to take SAT.
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If you're not sure whether it's gonna be a university that's requiring SAT or not, I still think it's worth taking.
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It's a bit of a free hit, right?
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If it's not good enough.
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If you're not good enough to get into that new institution, then by all means go to a an SAT blind university, so to speak.
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But it's it's worth hey, it doesn't hurt to do it and maximize it.
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I think that's the important message.
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Yeah, and we agree with you, and we we love that your students come to us with that, with that already in mind.
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It's a really important card to have because we know that change is inevitable and change in higher ed is is is rapid right now.
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:56.719
A university that you're looking at right now that's test optional could change its mind.
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Yes.
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And change its admission and could go into test required.
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Yes.
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And so, like you said, students should have the freedom to change their mind about where they want to go.
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So having that score is just always going to bring peace of mind.
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And that's what I like to think about it.
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Like you said, it's an easy hit, it's a free hit, it's it brings peace of mind just to have that peace always there so the students can make the best decision for them instead of saying, that's the best decision for me, but I didn't take the test.
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And the other thing about taking it or prepping for it in year 10 and then taking it in year 11 is the content is fresh.
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Yes.
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So if you take two years of junior college and then go back to take the SAT, this is some math that you're gonna have to have a lot of refresher on, especially the math, the grammar, the punctuation, et cetera.
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It's best to take it right then with your peers when you are in a study program that that's preparing you for it.
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So backtracking is a more difficult process.
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So for reasons of higher ed changing, being so dynamic right now and changing their admission processes monthly at times, like they don't change them, but we have universities every quarter that are now saying, now we require the test, or now we're still not going to require it, but it's changing all the time.
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Take the test and have that as just a peace of mind.
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Yeah.
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I will say though, don't take the test without prepping for it, because as an athlete knows, there's muscle memory.
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And just like in their bodies of their muscles and how they play sports, their brain is a muscle.
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And so if a lot of parents send their students in and go, I just want to see how they would do.
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What happens is a student goes in unprepared, they have a horrible experience.
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They don't forget that.
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And so the next time they go in to take it, they their whole body goes, Oh, last time I was here, I didn't feel so good.
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This was not a good experience.
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And already that's clouding the ability to get through this exam.
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So we really ask that students do not take official exams without prepping for it first.
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:14.880
That's a great, great one.
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That's a very common question and a very throwaway line.
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Hey, look, you're just gonna take a base test and just see where we're at, and then get some feedback from there and then go from there.
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I think what we all are saying, which I love, which I agree with, is that let that test be the diagnostic test.
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Yes.
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You know, and then official test.
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I think it's worth that definitely.
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And look, I'll be honest, it probably in the past, you know, many years ago, I probably used to go along with that as well.
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:46.320
So, you know, it doesn't hurt, you know, you can take your test again, but I like what you said there.
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It it's the yeah, the the brain is indeed a muscle, and and so yeah, you you've got some anxiety around a test to begin with, you certainly have to take some some more into it if you haven't enjoyed the first one and haven't got a good score.
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.920
So you might as well give it your best chance if you're gonna do it.
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Yeah.
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I like that.
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That's really good.
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In terms of timing, I just want to wrap up with the timing side of things because year 10 in Australia, which is sophomore year equivalent in the US, we don't call it that down here.
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It's just year nine, 10, 11, 12.
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But what I'm hearing from you, Jenny, and again, it's consistent with what our advice would be, is the back half of year 10 of your sophomore year is the best time to engage.
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:37.760
Let's start thinking, let's start preparing, let's do a diagnostic test with a view to getting an initial test underway, certainly in your junior year or year 11, if we're here in Australia.
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:41.039
And a lot of people in Australia will go, oh gosh, that's early.
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Because it in Australia we do things, we start thinking about university often.
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:52.239
Well, a lot of families don't, but um a lot of families will start thinking about university in their senior year of high school.
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:53.360
Oh, okay.
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:54.400
Okay.
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.159
We do start things like yeah, yeah.
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And I know, you know, the American in the conversation here is very surprised with that because it's so different in America.
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Yes, yeah.
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And it's the one biggest thing that we we have, not just with SAT prep, but sport in general.
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America.
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Kids are preparing for this pathway and being college ready so much earlier.
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So it's just another really important point.
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And the other great thing about doing one early in year eleven is before the real busyness of year twelve in a senior year here in Australia happens.
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You know, where students may have leadership roles, sporting commitments, you know, school formals, dances and things like that.
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Homecoming, we don't have that here, but similar kind of stuff, right?
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Prom night, all that sort of stuff.
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:41.760
Uh-huh.
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Stuff going on here in in and we're busy, busy high schools here in Australia in year 12.
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So get an SAT done in year 11.
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Do the prep before that, do your diagnostic in year 10 if you can, um, is the timeline.
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And then you've got some time up your sleeve to do a second.
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.480
And in your advice, getting a third test at some stage.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And do you recommend doing that within high school as well, by the way?
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Like, you know, we got is it is it okay to do a third test after high school, potentially, if that's the way the the timeline works or yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Um absolutely.
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I mean, I think for your students that we've worked with, other international students, February through May in year 11 is great for that first official test.
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Yeah.
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And I understand that sounds really early, but it it, you know, if they started their prep, if they worked on kind of the prep over the summer, that February through May testing season for the first official is a good time.
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:50.000
Um, it's a great time to take the second test in June of year 11, or that could be the first test as well.
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.920
But like you said, year 12 gets busy.
00:41:54.079 --> 00:42:02.880
The other thing is the mindset in year 12 is a little bit less focused on the test and more about what's going to happen after year 12.
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:14.079
So we do notice like spring of uh year 12, um, not a lot going on in terms of studying for these students because they're so excited about their future.
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:23.760
So if we can, if we can test anywhere in that year 11 just to get those markers, just to get that experience, that would be great.
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:30.000
And then, like you said, taking another test later in in year 12, they already have the experience.
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.239
The prep is a lot shorter.
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.760
Um, it just gets easier after that first official test.
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Sure.
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That's great.
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I really appreciate that.
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:47.920
And um, yeah, it's good to just have that timeline information and we'll we'll make sure this all gets shared and summarized as best we can for families to to access to, Jenny.
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:55.920
But yeah, look, I look from from where I sit, as I said, maybe we can do this again and and talk about um you know trends that we're seeing over time and things like that.
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:59.440
We might get you back on the podcast here, Jenny, at some stage.
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:05.199
But I think for today, I think that's hopefully been really a really good start and helpful.
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:10.400
And um, I guess from a study and play point of view, as a director here, we really welcome this partnership.
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.159
We think it's really, really critical.
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Um, we've been doing this for 20 years, been in the industry for 20 years, just like you, Jenny, who've been doing this industry for a long time.
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And finding like-minded people, but also companies with the right, you know, very similar mission in helping students is difficult sometimes.
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It can be quite a saturated industry, this one.
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:38.559
So we're really glad we came across uh Arbor Bridge and yourself, Jenny, and we're looking forward to our students reaping the benefits of that.
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.079
Yeah, thank you.
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:40.559
Thank you.
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.599
And just so you know, we have one dedicated person uh to study and play USA.
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So your families are all dealing with the exact same uh test prep expert uh when they call.
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You won't get different people all the time.
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Myself and another director, they understand your company, they understand your students, um, they understand the timeline and the challenges that you all face.
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:09.440
So we've dedicated just, you know, a team just for you so that um you have that consistency as well.
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:10.960
That's awesome, Jenny.
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Uh it's really great.
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.800
So we really appreciate your insights today.
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I mean, I've learned a lot.
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I don't work in the SAT space too much within this.
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:20.079
Well, you could now.
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But uh, it's been really insightful.
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And as I said, you know, even just listening to this, if I'd transport myself back in time, it would have been nice to know.
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:32.960
But um, no, really appreciate it.
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:38.800
And and again, yeah, really, really proud of this partnership and looking forward to seeing what it does for our student athletes.
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:41.119
Yeah, and thank you so much for having me on.
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It's an honor.
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.639
And like you said, there's so much more to talk about and new things happening.
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.039
So uh happy to come back on another time.
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:48.239
Awesome, Jenny.
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.039
Well, have a good rest of the week and we'll talk again soon, huh?
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.719
Okay, thank you.