Mango: What's going on guys? Welcome back to another episode of Hey Dad. I'm Mango. The Mac Daddy of Dad. That's right. And Jules here. Jules here, of course. He's a dad too.
joel: We're we're still hanging on to this. Hey dads, what's up? As you can see, we're still hanging on this stupid soundtrack. he's a dad too. Thanks, buddy.
Mango: Yeah. So one time Joel can't shut up. let's get to
joel: I mean I was
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joel: Yes, we do need it for other people to find us so that we can give you amazing advice as much as we always do.
Mango: Right. R and I hold on. I I have a dog who is either trapped or I don't know what he's doing.
joel: Where is he at?
Mango: He's underneath the sunroom furniture, underneath the couch. And he's just like whining. And I no, he's fine. He's
joel: Alright, we'll go check on him. Go yeah, go check on him.
Mango: he's looking at me. He's just being a dickhead. Yeah.
joel: he just wants some attention.
Mango: Yeah, he puts himself under there and then he's like, I'm kinda stuck, but
joel: Well. He's like
Mango: not.
joel: he's like our dog. Sh she stands in the kitchen if it's eight thirty at night and it's time to go to bed and she just barks and then I wanna punch her in the face.
Mango: Yeah, it's like, what are you doing? You know what's going on. You know how this works.
joel: Right.
Mango: Anyways, we got a few things to get to. We have things that our parents said to us that actually didn't matter. There's a coach in hot water for disciplining a kid. What could he have possibly done? And what is something dads need to learn about daughters? And on the, I don't know, on the back end, or maybe we'll get to it. closer, but short term versus long term decisions, mostly financially. we'll get to those in a minute. Yeah.
joel: You know how we love those finances.
Mango: We were talking about them earlier today and I was like just thinking about all kinds of stuff and I was like, man, this is this might be kind of interesting and throw around. but yeah, dude. So what have you been up to? It's been a week?
joel: Well, we're in the full swing of everything. I've been man,
Mango: Swear to god, if you say work.
joel: I I mean, realistically, yeah, I've been working. I haven't been getting home till late, but we're in the full swing of all like I think every family has like what their busy season is for what like what their kids do and ours is a hundred percent full swing. Like our kids during the summer all do swim and like a few things, but it kinda I don't know, it seems like it's not so busy. But now, you know, with Riley's gymnastic, her tournaments start mm next week. Charlie had her first cheer competition and those are we have a hundred of those now. And then Wesley Basket Wesley's basketball started, so we've been doing that. And then just trying
Mango: Is he?
joel: to find time to do things that I trying to entertain the kids besides that. I'm a terrible I am so bad at finding something for them to do when we don't have something scheduled. if we don't have something scheduled, I'm like, all right, well, let's just sit at home.
Mango: Let's do something I want to do. I just wanna sit at home.
joel: I know it's I know it's I I really do. I I would love I mean we talked about it last week. I i if they if everybody went away for you know, a month, I wouldn't do anything for a week just to I don't know, not have to do anything. yeah. I bet it was
Mango: Yeah, let me tell you, it feels pretty gray.
joel: wonderful. but your family's back, right? You guys are re re reunited. Now
Mango: Yeah, they're they're back. Yeah, they're they're back.
joel: Now every time you guys separate and then get back together, do you have to go to court for that or is this like a one of those what's the common commonwealth marriages? Is that what it's called? Commonwealth marriage?
Mango: Well, let me tell you, it all depends on if I either did absolutely nothing around the house cleaning wise
joel: Okay.
Mango: and just legitly looked like I lived like a bachelor the whole entire time.
joel: Which is what you did.
Mango: That's what I d well, you know, the last two days is when crunch time came and I was like, All right, I guess I should do dishes, some
joel: Well I I'll have to get some things done.
Mango: laundry, you know, maybe I don't know. Bleach the bathroom or something. Make it smell like I did something.
joel: That's a straight up guy move right there. Mm smell. Turn on a candle. Like, look, I cleaned. Yeah. Spray the Did
Mango: That was right. Yeah. Don't you smell that
joel: you ever did you ever So when you had your you never lived on your own yeah, you lived on your own. You lived on your own at f at the at Garfield. Yeah.
Mango: Psalm. I've lived on my loan for a while, years.
joel: Did you ever use Febreze and just spray it into the carpet so it smelled like you cleaned?
Mango: Yeah, dude, I had two dogs. Yeah.
joel: yeah, hundred percent.
Mango: It's me. It was me and two dogs. I literally had a 32-inch TV on the floor in my living room. I had a fold-up chair that I sat in with my dogs,
joel: Yeah.
Mango: and that was my living room.
joel: yeah.
Mango: no joke. And then
joel: I know, I remember.
Mango: I had a futon bed in my bedroom. It was a pretty big futon bed, honestly. probably double the size of a normal one. I don't know what that would be called. Maybe I guess a full twin? I don't know.
joel: Yeah, I think a fool I think it's called a fool. Yeah.
Mango: Yeah. So I would just basically I grill all the time. Even in the wintertime, I'd just go outside, grill some stuff up, drink some beers. Yeah. And then
joel: we do that and I love gr yeah. I love grilling. I grill all year long.
Mango: some I'd go out on dates and stuff. Some people might come see my house. They'd be like, Wow, this is
joel: So you gotta febreeze the shit out of everything.
Mango: this is minimalist here. yeah, I'm not home ever. I have my dogs,
joel: Right.
Mango: I hang out with them when I'm home and then All they need a T V to listen to while I'm gone. So they got a TV.
joel: Yes, yeah, you're supposed to leave the yeah, you should leave the TV on for dogs.
Mango: yeah, dude. So I I then when I met Trisha, still didn't have furniture. but I had I had a buddy who was getting rid of his couch and stuff and it was a nice couch. And I asked her, I was like, Hey, do you know anybody wants a couch? She's Yeah, you You need a couch. I was like, yeah, I guess I sure, I guess I do, yeah. I was like, I all right, I'll go pick it up.
joel: yeah. You know, we we could use one in the living room.
Mango: Yeah. So
joel: I'm a I'm a big fan of making the house smell good all the time. And I know this sounds weird, but I'm a huge candle. I love candles. I f
Mango: Dude, me too. I get candles all the time.
joel: so so do I. I freaking buy every time. Sarah's like, Why do you buying another candle? I'm like, We need them. We need candles everywhere. So
Mango: Dude, my last candle I bought, let me tell you, Junior's mint. Yeah.
joel: Hold on. I could get behind that. we went to Costco and they had candle warmers. Have you seen them?
Mango: I'm not a big fan of him, but yeah, son of.
joel: dude, I freaking love it. You don't have to light the candle and it smells the whole
Mango: I I like
joel: damn room.
Mango: I like the flame. I like the flame, the ambiance of it.
joel: Well, I d I don't disagree with you. I do enjoy the flame. And I if I have a candle sitting somewhere besides under my candleworm, I have two I bought two of the candleworm. One's for upstairs, one's for downstairs. And I turn them on every day. 'Cause they have little timers on them so you can turn them on for two
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: hours. So as soon as I get home I turn on for two hours. Every one of
Mango: Yeah, we got one. I don't like I don't use them. Trucia uses it. She used to use it.
joel: Frickin' love
Mango: I'm a candle guy, I'll like
joel: I love candles. Yeah. Well,
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: it we we one year we were at Christmas with Sarah's family and we always do the like white elephant gift thing. But
Mango: Right.
joel: we don't do the shitty gifts. We all everybody kind of does a good gift, right? And
Mango: That's nice of you guys.
joel: yeah. And Sarah's cousin her his Wife's dad always coming. He's a big bourbon guy. So he always brings bourbon, right? All the time. And I always try to fight for it. Right. So last year he brings bourbon. Someone opens up a candle and a candle warmer. And I, it was my turn to open. And everybody was like, he's he's gonna steal the bourbon. And I said, Yeah, you're right. I'm going to steal. And I grabbed the candle and the candle warmer and everybody went, What the hell are you doing? And I'm like, Listen, and Sarah's just like she's just sitting there. She's not doing anything. She's like, Yeah, dude, he loves candle. and then it got stolen from me and I ended up with freaking bourbon. I didn't want bourbon. I wanted the candle and the candle warmer.
Mango: Kinda feel like you were playing the long game though and you actually kinda wanted the bourbon.
joel: No, I did not. Because I I think it was a regular bourbon. I think it was something that I can get regularly. So I wasn't terribly worried about it. But I wanted the candle warm I was so mad. I wanted the candle warmer. So yeah. I am too. I love candles.
Mango: Yeah, I'm all about it. I just finished up all my gravel work.
joel: all eighty seven ton of it?
Mango: Yeah, dude, it was a lot. I Bobcat broke. We had to fix a belt.
joel: No no no. S you broke the bobcat. The bobcat didn't break. You broke the bobcat. Yes. Yeah.
Mango: Well, i it was on my watch while I was using it. So Bobcat broke, buddy came over, we fixed the the belt in it. Mainly he did, I just supervised. And
joel: What belt what belt is on what
Mango: Ooh, what is that belt called? It is it's the belt that would operate your bucket and everything. Basically it's it's your
joel: okay. Wait, that's not a that's not a hydraulic line?
Mango: it is a hydraulic line, but it's your it operate it's a belt that operates everything. It's a I can't remember what it's called
joel: It doesn't matter. I was just curious. nice.
Mango: But anyways, you can't you can't move it, you can't do anything. yeah, so we did that. And then I finished up. I was like, all right, I'm done. I'll take the bobcat back to my buddies on the next day. So I pulled around to my driveway, have it lined up with the trailer. I was like, you know what, I'll put it on the trailer tomorrow. Go to sleep, go to work, come home, get everything ready, get all the straps out. Get all the chains out and then I'm in my garage and I look down and I'm like, What is what what's all that fluid underneath the bobcat? There's a puddle of just fluid. And I'm like, my god. That thing's leaking oil. It's gotta be leaking oil. So I start it up, I get it up on the trailer, and smell what the fluid is, I'm like, okay, must be hydraulic fluid. It's hydraulic fluid. All there's no hydraulic fluid in it at all. Check that and I was like, of course, of course something else breaks. Call my buddy and I was like, hey, guess what? Something else broke. And I was like, I got hydraulic fluid all over my driveway. And he's like, Don't
joel: Nice.
Mango: worry about it. He's like, it was leaking on me before and then it just quit. So It must have just finally busted.
joel: So you you got the brunt of it. Well, because he probably
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: he probably use it here and there, not he he hasn't made a garage pad and then you just put it under the stress enough to where it finally
Mango: I don't know how much he's used that one 'cause he had an older one that was not hydraulic, so you really had to use some muscle to operate it. And then
joel: If it's not hydraulic, what would it be? Pneumatic.
Mango: Yep. Something like that.
joel: Air.
Mango: But it was like you really you have to use use muscle and have to force the stuff. See here. do it that way and see what it's called. What is there? man, it's really Compact track loader. All electric skids steer loader.
joel: gonna say it's not electric. If it was electric
Mango: No.
joel: it wouldn't be I would say pneumatic would probably be the only one that would be
Mango: think so. Anyways, so
joel: Yeah. Either way.
Mango: I got done. I was like, what is going on here? It just sat here overnight. There's no trail or anything from me moving at the point A to point B. I was like Started leaking after I shut it off. So anyways, I got that all done. Now I gotta build the grass.
joel: Yeah, you do.
Mango: And I'm not really looking forward to it 'cause it's gonna be a pain. I know it is.
joel: Well, looking at the weather you got two three weeks that you you're gonna you need to do it. 'Cause the weather's gonna be
Mango: And
joel: freaking perfect.
Mango: I I I'm gonna use probably pressure treated wood for the base. Yeah, yeah. I think that's how I think that's where I'm gonna
joel: talked about that, yeah. You don't
Mango: go.
joel: do you need a base?
Mango: I do, yes.
joel: It it's it does it can't just sit on the gravel.
Mango: Hmm No, because I'll I'll have to level it out and then drill through and then I'll put my studs through there. So it'll just go through the whole thing
joel: Yeah. 'Cause you just don't want it to yeah.
Mango: and then level out. Yeah. So I don't know. It'll be alright. It it seems the best way to go. That pressure treater lumber should last for as long as I'm here. So I don't know how long I'll be here. I could be
joel: I don't know, man. On gravel it might be rough. You could be gone tomorrow.
Mango: I could be gone tomorrow. Yeah, so that's my project that I'm still working on.
joel: Do you think do you think Trisha will be gone tomorrow? Again?
Mango: Well, she gets a car.
joel: well I didn't mean I didn't I didn't mean it like dead. I meant it as she's gonna leave you again. When's her next horror show?
Mango: Hm no, I think they're over until next year. So fourth season is the
joel: Is done. So now she has to stay at the farm every other week just to keep an eye on the horses or to keep an eye on the horses?
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: I did quotation marks there as listeners 'cause I think it, does she move she it's like you have a custody battle of if she stays at the house, she doesn't stay at the house?
Mango: Yeah, totally. It's like just like that. It's on paper.
joel: Okay. I just want to get your relationship figured out.
Mango: horse season's over. There's nothing else going on. the next travel plan is Wisconsin in December. That's for
joel: That's for Christmas though, right?
Mango: Christmas. And then snowboarding after that. Which
joel: Yeah, which you royally screwed up the date on that.
Mango: You screwed up the date.
joel: No, you screwed up the date. I was actually gonna try and go.
Mango: I'm sure you were.
joel: I was. I was totally in. I told Sarah, I was like, I want to take you guys snowboarding, but I want to go this year because it's Michigan and it's not that far. And if I have to drive, I can drive for up there and go for three days and come home. It doesn't matter. So I was like,
Mango: Why can't you go?
joel: Because there's a cheer competition that's in Cincinnati. And then the next day there's a cheer comp or a gymnastics competition that's in Toledo.
Mango: Hey, guess what?
joel: Toledo is halfway there.
Mango: No, there's gonna be another cheer competition after that one. Actually, there's gonna be a hundred more after that one.
joel: No, no, no. The so the problem is not that there are competitions. The problem is the distance of where the competitions are.
Mango: Dude. So you just say, Hey, my kids sick, they're not gonna be there. That's it. Kids get sick.
joel: That's that's the problem. I'm not yeah, I mean kids do get sick, but the whole point of doing gymnastics and to do cheer is to do the competitions. So why would we bail?
Mango: Okay, well have your mother in law take
joel: Again, the drive she doesn't even want to drive six minutes from her house to here. Why would she want to drive
Mango: I get it.
joel: an hour or two and a half?
Mango: Well, you just say sorry, we'll have to figure it out because I'm not gonna be here. That's what you do.
joel: Yeah. Yeah, Mango, that's how life works and that's why your wife leaves you every other week. Okay.
Mango: I mean, professionals don't make every single game.
joel: Professional nope, that's completely different. That's a horrible analogy on how to Yeah.
Mango: is it is it?
joel: Yes. Because professionals get paid to do their thing.
Mango: Okay, sorry. Semi pros also don't make it. Also, college students don't make it to every single game.
joel: Still doesn't it still doesn't work because they're in call
Mango: Why doesn't that work?
joel: because they're in college to be there. So there's
Mango: They they still don't make a dairy.
joel: Because of injury or something, they don't just take a day off. Especially in gymnastics. Gymn listen, I'm gonna tell you right now.
Mango: Did you shirt?
joel: Cheerleaders and gymnastics compared to every other athlete, I would take on strength, I would take cheerleaders and gymnasts over probably most athletes.
Mango: Okay, but what happens if they didn't get?
joel: Then I don't see the point of doing it. They're doing their competition. Plus I think the Toledo gymnastics
Mango: What no no what what happens if they don't go and they miss a competition? What happens?
joel: the competition still goes on.
Mango: I know, but what happens?
joel: Nothing.
Mango: What? You're telling me nothing happens if you miss a day? Whoa. What?
joel: I knew what I I knew what you were doing, but that's that kinda defeats the whole purpose of joining a team to go I'm gonna go to the practices, but I think I'll skip a few here and there.
Mango: It's not a feud. You're just saying, hey, Dad's got something to do.
joel: I know. unfortunately that's but to me it's more important to do that than it is to go on snowboarding.
Mango: What happens when they have a job and they're on a team and they don't make it?
joel: Dad doesn't have to drive there. That's not my problem then. That
Mango: What do you mean what do you mean? Why would did you?
joel: because they'll be old enough to have a job. I don't have to worry about it. Okay. Well. They have a they have a car. I'm gonna buy a car and they're gonna drive. See, now you're just trying to justify me going on a now you're just
Mango: How do you they could be sixteen? They could be seventeen. What do you do? What happens? Well well the cars broke down. What what happens? Cars cars break down all the time.
joel: trying to find excuses so that I can go on the snowboard trip. I know.
Mango: I'm not finding excuses. I'm asking you questions. What happens when the car breaks down? Cars break down. That's why we have car shops.
joel: They still have to they still have to find a way to work. no. then dad cancels his plans with his friends and take makes sure his kids are taken care of. That's what.
Mango: Yep, but no, but then you'd be part of a team too, so then you're leaving your team.
joel: I how am I a part of a team? It's a it's not a team.
Mango: Well if you're I'm guessing you'd be on a golf trip or something, so you're part of a golf
joel: I was com I was referring to a snowboard trip. But also on a golf team, it's not on a golf on a golf trip is not a yeah.
Mango: okay. Well, that those those three hold on, those four those four days out of the whole year, you're right. It's probably gonna come up on those days that that would
joel: Yeah.
Mango: happen.
joel: And then I'm gonna bail on you. 'Cause I love my children more than you.
Mango: No, but what if you're already up there?
joel: But what if what if I'm not? What if you're not?
Mango: What if you are? What happens?
joel: What if I'm not?
Mango: But what happened?
joel: But what if something happens? I'm just I'm just trying to do what you're doing. I'm just trying to
Mango: Absolutely nothing happens. You were right on the first time. Nothing happens.
joel: make start making things up. But what if
Mango: Yeah. Mine are all logical things.
joel: Buddy, listen, it it doesn't work that way. In your world it may work that way, but in my world it does not. That's not that's the completely defeat that's defeating the purpose. No. A
Mango: does. Has a kid ever missed a competition? I'm just asking a question. Don't don't be like just asking the question. Just answer the question. Have they done it?
joel: a good, responsible kid, no. They don't miss. And that's what my children are. Well, what I'm telling
Mango: I'm not asking a good response. I'm asking if any kid has ever missed the competition.
joel: you is my kids are part of it and they will make their stuff as long as they're not hurt or sick. They will not skip out. Dude, we can do I don't want to do this anymore. You could do this all day long because you want you you're trying to prove you're trying
Mango: But what happens if they got hurt? What happens to the team? What happens to the team, dude? What happens to the team? Can they not still compet
joel: to prove a point but you're not you don't have a point to prove. Okay?
Mango: I already did. You said nothing happens. You already answered it. Nothing happens. Listen back. Just listen back. Yep. And if they missed it, nothing would happen. Nothing would happen.
joel: I didn't answer it. Listen, I can't go on the trip. I can't go on the trip because my kids have things to do that it that involve me Yeah, if they missed it, I I would be upset that they missed it.
Mango: Some college would be like, remember when you missed that time and competition
joel: Yeah.
Mango: in February?
joel: hell, the way things go now, they check your Facebook to
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: see if they want to hire you. So yeah, that could happen.
Mango: Yeah. Ha ha ha.
joel: Moving on.
Mango: Alright, move on. Let's get to your let's get to your coach story about that. Because it's just
joel: Yeah, move let's just move on to the kids and being shitty.
Mango: Yeah. All right. So go ahead. This is your these are your stories.
joel: what but do you have the video that you're gonna play?
Mango: I got the video. Yep.
joel: Okay. So, I believe this was in Ohio. I don't remember exactly where, but there was a football coach who the kid came into practice late and basically he tried to teach the kid a lesson about being on time. He's part of a team. and he was just I trying to make him responsible. And so he made him stand on a box in the middle of practice while everybody was I believe they were warming up. I we'll have to watch in the video. But
Mango: Was this a game or practice?
joel: no, it was just practice. he was late to practice. And so as they're warming up, he's giving a speech and like the parents kind of said that it was berating the kid. and making him embarrassed. Well, play the video and then we'll talk about it. How about that?
Mango: All right. Pull the video up here. We got sound.
joel: All the video up.
Mango: I got no sound on that, but no sound.
joel: I got no sound.
Mango: There we go.
joel: There we go.
Mango: Alright, hold on. Dude, that's that's so ridiculous
joel: Okay.
Mango: of that coach. That is that is over the top ridiculous shit to be like I we had a teacher that did that same shit when I was in school, was like, you're gonna be a loser. This is what exactly they said. They said all of you are gonna be losers, you're all gonna be working at McDonald's, and you're not gonna make anything of your lives. And you know what we did? We literally
joel: Yes.
Mango: were sitting there like kind of laughing, like full of shit, teacher. Like you're mad. Sorry, you're
joel: It
Mango: mad.
joel: he's on the extreme end of it. Yes, because if you play it and continue, which you don't have to if you don't want to, but he
Mango: No, I know, I will. I just
joel: okay, play play it to the end. Okay. That's that's the end. Okay, but so in there hold on. I
Mango: Okay, hold on. So that dude
joel: in that part, right I don't know why it didn't play, but he says, you're gonna be a loser, you're gonna make nothing of your life. And then it pauses
Mango: Yeah, you're gonna be a piece of shit.
joel: and then he says, probably a criminal. Now, I didn't want to talk about it because of the extreme part. of it. I wanted to talk about the part of do you think the kid should have been punished that way, but not berated as bad as he was? Because I believe he should I'm okay with him like if it was my kid and the coach and he came home and he said, Hey, I you I was fifteen minutes late to practice. Coach made me stand on a box in the middle of practice and made everyone work out. Now, if I saw the video and he didn't like talk to him like that, I'd be like, Yeah, dude, you're part of a team. You're not supposed to be late. You should take responsibility for yourself and understand that you've affected the whole team. So there should be punishment for it. Should the coach have said some of the thing like called him a called him a loser? He didn't call him a loser. He said he because he was referring to the whole team. He was like, You're gonna be losers. You're gonna, you know, he was trying he was trying to
Mango: Yeah, he went off talking specifically to him and then it went broad to everyone. Right. Now,
joel: Yes, as it was brought down. Yeah, right.
Mango: dude, standing on the box is fine. that's not a big deal. That's a good punishment because then everybody around you who's on your team is like, dude, y actually, them working out while he's standing on a box, that really doesn't make anybody mad. Because you're working out anyways. That's what you're supposed to do. He's just standing there.
joel: No, it's supposed to embarrass him.
Mango: Yeah, and it really doesn't because you the goal is to have your teammates get mad, not mad, but hey, dude, we're getting on you. Don't be late again. So what you should have done was be like, hey, what I did in the police academy when somebody messed up, everybody do planks until they correct what they just did. Because then you are like, I don't want to do planks. These
joel: yeah. Right.
Mango: are the stupidest things ever. And you're looking at the clock and you're like, dude, hurry up. Do what you need to do so we can stop doing planks. Because this is ridiculous. And then everybody's like, hey man, don't do that again. But if you're just working out, which you're already doing, and he's just standing on a box, who cares?
joel: Well, I think the reason that it most people don't do it that way is because then it turns into full metal jacket and you get beat with s
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: you get beat with a soap and a sock because you caused an issue.
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: I I do get where like I do get the part of hey, they have to do something because you screwed something up because that's usually the you know, I think that's the main thing that we've been taught with like team sports. one person does it, everybody's affected, everybody pays. so I I'm more okay with making him stand there and watch and understand
Mango: That's fine.
joel: while he's while he's there. And I don't think I think his speech was
Mango: It's not a punishment.
joel: a I think his speech was a little over the top, but I don't think it was worth being fired. Maybe suspended or or something.
Mango: No, I don't I don't think he should be fired or actually I don't think anything should happen to him just be like, Hey, that was a little ridiculous, I'll do that again. But
joel: Yeah. Right. hey listen, we you punish him but the speech is is the the catch all of of where you screwed up. So
Mango: Standing on a box, dude, I don't even how would that make you feel bad at all? I'm like, all right, this sucks. you guys keep doing you. I'm gonna stay on this box. So he tells me to get off. Who cares?
joel: Okay, but but but if you're late every practice and you have to stand on a box every time, maybe eventually you're gonna stop being late. Maybe. Maybe someone with sense, maybe someone that's not defiant like Mango, but maybe someone would go, All right, I don't wanna stand on this box anymore, so I'll s I'm gonna stop being late. Or if that doesn't work, then you change your tactic of what you're doing for him being late, you know.
Mango: It's like some kid being like, man, I got suspended for two days. gotta set a home. This is the worst. This is the worst thing.
joel: I yeah, I never I never understood I never understood some of the push. So I was at work. This happened to me when I was working construction one time. I I we were working, we were building what were we we were building a restaurant and I had to miss a day. I don't remember what happened. I had to miss a day. I get there the next day and for my work they decided that I had to be basically the safety watcher for the day. So I wasn't allowed to work. I had to sit on the roof, right by the edge where the caution tape was, because we we didn't have an edge. Everybody was working, doing paneling and everything. I had to sit and make sure that they didn't get too close to the edge. That was my job the whole day. And I sat there going, You do understand this doesn't it? this doesn't make me mad at all. I have to sit here all day. You're
Mango: Right.
joel: still paying me. I don't have to do anything but sit here and watch these guys. this is not a punishment. I don't yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. this is this is
Mango: Getting too close, dude. Getting too close.
joel: not and then yeah, the the suspension or the I I mean I think in school suspension makes more sense than out of school suspension.
Mango: Yeah, 'cause you can't hang out with
joel: Do you n
Mango: your friends.
joel: Right. That's right. You you have to Is there a prop was there a I got a note up on my thing?
Mango: Yep, your connection is unstable. Is everybody in your house using Wi Fi right now? Let's see, ask them ho ho Okay, well Joel just dropped off. he should be back. He's got an unstable connection. And I think he's back. I don't know, you just left. You seem fine now. That's okay.
joel: okay. well na well well now you're gonna have two recordings or two two tracks again.
Mango: That's not a big deal.
joel: okay. So I just I I think the I think the thought process of the punishment has always kind of been ignorant.
Mango: Yeah, so to me it would be okay, you're late. Guess what? You get to stay longer. Nobody wants to stay longer. That sucks. I don't want to do that. Or like
joel: Yeah, that's where I would be at. Yeah. Yeah. that was that was I had a boss when we when we when Clint and I worked together at the paint shop, we could take an hour lunch, but it meant we had to stay a half an hour l over over working because we had yeah. So
Mango: Yeah, there's these the punishments are so done. It's like a cop dude, right? on administrative leave with pay. no. He's on administrative leave with pay and you
joel: yeah. Right.
Mango: especially the ones who know are gonna get fired. It's like the dudes
joel: Right.
Mango: had a month off with pay. He's really suffering right now.
joel: Yeah. It just it's kinda weird. I don't I don't know what the thought process behind it is, but I don't know. We'll s we'll just start big companies and start proving you know, we'll just set better rules and then people will take notice and
Mango: But again, so he was late for practice. Yeah, sure, su
joel: Multiple times though. He had been late multiple times.
Mango: sure, yeah, that sucks. Now how did that affect the team? How did that affect
joel: Are we going back to this again? We're going we're going
Mango: the team?
joel: Well, because they had to sit and deal with it and now they are out of a coach. They yeah. Maybe they
Mango: What do you mean? They had to work out like they were gonna do anyways.
joel: weren't gonna work out. Maybe they maybe he made them all work out and he had to watch, I love I love when you try to justify things.
Mango: What do you mean? He was late. I'm just saying what happened? Nothing. Nothing happens.
joel: Well realistically, if you're gonna view everything like that, nothing happens ever. Nothing. Nothing. What happens if I miss the snowboard trip? Nothing. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. No, I don't. I don't. I missed nothing happened. No,
Mango: You miss out on life. You missed out on a great trip. That's what happens. You that is what happens. That's literally what happens.
joel: it happened it nothing happened for me. I didn't miss anything because I didn't go. I didn't miss
Mango: You missed out.
joel: it. So I didn't go. So then what happens? But then what happens?
Mango: There are there are things that happen, there are consequences.
joel: But what then what happened? Stab you. I'm gonna
Mango: So if you have a job and you get fired, you lose money. That's a problem.
joel: stab you.
Mango: If you get kicked out of school, that's a problem. If
joel: Yes.
Mango: you get kicked out of college, that's a problem. That's a lot of money gone.
joel: Mm now you gotta you
Mango: Yeah, what? It's money down the drain. You don't get that money back 'cause you got kicked out.
joel: even if you do graduate college, there's still money down the drain. Unless you do yeah. Unless you go for something that actually needs college.
Mango: No. Unless you go for something cool. But yeah. So there are actual consequences, but when it's such bullshit like that, it's like, what's gonna happen? Like, there's literally nothing that doesn't affect your life in the long run at all. And they can sit there and say, like, well, it's because you can't show up for this one
joel: Well, but I th I do th it's
Mango: time for this one thing. That means you're gonna be a loser forever. No, no, it doesn't.
joel: Right. It just means you need to learn. I do think it's a good lesson to teach somebody. I think it's a very good lesson to teach them. That if you're part of something and you're given a specific time to be there, then you should be there. That's just accountability. That's fine. So I don't I don't I mean, I think the lesson still needs to be taught, but yeah, then like the speech of you're a loser is not
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: like it it it doesn't like you said, it doesn't guarantee it. You're not gonna be a loser. You're not gonna be a criminal. You're not that there it doesn't prove anything. It just means you need to do better, set an alarm and
Mango: I don't know that these coaches aren't creative at all. It's like, okay, you you you're just mad.
joel: Yeah, but do f
Mango: You're just an angry person who
joel: Football coaches, all football coaches, all football dads are crazy footballs. they act like it is the only thing happening in the world. You had the pee-wee football dads. my God. You're watching some of the pee-wee football dads and they just they're screaming and and acting like this is the Super Bowl of every week. And man, it's it's insane to watch the the I don't know the givea shit that they have about. Nothing that's no kid has ever gone to the NFL out of.
Mango: Doesn't matter.
joel: Right.
Mango: It's it's like people's road rage. the bet my favorite thing to do. My favorite thing is when somebody gets pissed off at me for whatever reason, they think I cut off or I'm going too slow or whatever it is. And they flip me off and I just smile and wave at And they get so mad. And they
joel: That's what I do. I always sm I know.
Mango: s I had one guy, he was beating his dash and slowing down, and I'm just putting my hand outside and wave and smile.
joel: Hey hey, how's it going? I do the thumbs I do thumbs up. I always do thumbs
Mango: okay. That's good too.
joel: up. Like, you're doing great. That was a great job. Yeah,
Mango: I like the wave because I can exaggerate the wave.
joel: that's true too. Yeah. I'll wave sometimes.
Mango: But yeah, dude.
joel: It's thumbs up. It's most of the time it's thumbs up, but I do like the wave. It's fun. Like Forest Gump wave.
Mango: Yeah. That's my favorite. And it's the same thing with teachers, dude. some of those some of those not teachers I got them a couple of fights with some teachers, but it's like what are you gonna there's this thing
joel: You got into an argument with someone, you argued like to no end.
Mango: Yeah. I had a teacher that had braces and I was like, What are you doing? Are you are you lecturing me with braces? Like what?
joel: Although, let's be honest, adults with braces is kinda weird.
Mango: D it's weird. It's weird.
joel: My sister had and I found it awkward. Yeah.
Mango: Yeah. look, go fix your teeth. Do it. But just know it's gonna be weird. I'd rather you just look a little weird, you know, in the short term. Go fix that shit. But it's gonna look weird.
joel: Yeah. So then if you would rather them fix it, why would you berate them about teaching with braces on? 'Cause you're an asshole. a little kid.
Mango: Because that's weird. Because it's weird, dude. It's weird. Dude, there is that mentality, dude, the mentality I'm sure some kids got it. I had it. It's what are you gonna do? Like what you're an adult. What are you gonna do to me?
joel: I mean that's yeah. I could see that. I don't know. I'm kinda on this thing to where I'm like,
Mango: Yeah.
joel: I think you should respect the people who are trying to teach you something, but also question why they're doing what they're doing. So it's not being so abrupt with it, if you didn't like
Mango: Yeah, I d
joel: that they were teaching with you, then you say, Hey, I don't like it. Put a piece of paper in front of your mouth while you're talking to me. No.
Mango: a hundred percent I I was an asshole kid for sure. I'm not saying I was smart in any way, but it's like it's it was very easy to tell that like there's not a lot you can do. You can sit there and say, Okay, well I'm gonna give you a detention. For what? 'Cause you have 'cause you have braces. You're giving me a detention because you have braces.
joel: Well, because you're because you're being disruptive and disrespectful. So it's
Mango: No, I was again and the here's the argument is I was just pointing something out that is distracting to me.
joel: But then you got into then you got into an argument
Mango: And I get a detention for that
joel: that was distracting to the class. That
Mango: Mm mm discussion.
joel: that was disruptive. Who had the discussion? You and the teacher? No one else?
Mango: Mm. Yeah, because that's how that starts. The teacher asked me a question of why I'm not doing something.
joel: Is a discuss but yeah, but a discussion yeah, but for you to justify it to not be a disruption, then the whole class should be a part of the d discussion. They weren't.
Mango: They were observers. There's an A B conversation discussion. They are observing the conversation.
joel: You're you're really good at making bullshit excuses to explain your situations. You know that?
Mango: Dude, I basically graduated by talking my way into graduation. No joke.
joel: Yeah. Yeah. No, I c yeah. I can believe that.
Mango: I I failed English. I had a English class my senior year. I did absolutely nothing in that class. And I think I had like a month. I think there's a month left of school and my counselors call me down and they're like, Hey, you're not gonna graduate 'cause you're failing English. And I was like, Okay, that's dumb. just give me a final and I'll just pass that. well, we don't do finals here because it was vocational. So you do two years at high school, two years at the vocational. So there's no finals there. And I was like, that's dumb. Just give me a book and I'll show you I can read. And they're like, that's not how it works. I'm like, that is exactly how this world works. I read
joel: It's it sounds Yeah.
Mango: what is out there in the world, and that's how that works. And they're like, that's not how it's gonna work. I was like, all right, well, I'm telling you right now, I'm probably gonna graduate. So I called because you're still a student at your other your home school. So I called
joel: Correct. Yes.
Mango: up my homeschool and I said, Hey, Thursday, I'm not going to graduate or walk. And I'm pretty sure we can figure out how I'm going to do that. And my counselor at the homeschool is like, Well, we can do correspondence. I was like, That sucks. I don't really want to do that. And he's like, Well, he's like, if you do correspondence, we'll still let you walk. And I was like, I still don't want to do that. And he's like, All right. Let's figure out what's all the classes you've had. And I was like, blah blah blah blah blah. I had this this this and then team leadership. I took a team leadership class. He was like, dude, right there. That's an English credit. I was like
joel: Ha ha ha.
Mango: I was like, Yes, it is. And then the vocational school was like all you had to do was no no no no they were like well you're not we're s we're not gonna give you the The the
joel: The vocational graduation.
Mango: yes, what I study for and passed. cause you go there for the career part, right? So you get certified in everything you do. So
joel: Correct. Yeah.
Mango: my paper was already printed out. My teacher already had it. He was retiring that year. I don't even know if he's still alive, so I don't care about talking about this. He's led, I don't care. Here's your paper. You passed you did everything you were supposed to do in here. Here's your paper. I was like, Cool, thanks.
joel: This was at the at the j at the vocational school or at the at our at a high school?
Mango: At the Javis.
joel: At the Javis, yeah.
Mango: Yeah. So they told me I was gonna graduate. And I was like, come on, I'd probably go on to. And then my homeschool said, Yeah, team leadership, that's an English class. We'll count that. So I didn't have to do anything extra. And then the Javis,
joel: Right.
Mango: where I would get my all my certifications, my teacher gave them to me. He's like, dude, you did everything else. He's like, I care about The school says you did everything I told you to do.
joel: Right. Yeah. Yeah, because when you do when you graduate from the JBS, you graduate with a certificate and whatever you took, you don't get you don't graduate f with the credits of the things that you took for school.
Mango: You do because you still have to get all your credits in for your English, your science, your math.
joel: Well yeah, but those those account to your high school graduation.
Mango: Those count to your diploma and everything or whatever it is. Yeah, so you
joel: Yeah. So
Mango: need to take those at the vocational school too, because that's where you take those at now. Because you don't go to the high school anymore.
joel: Well, that's just because that's where you're I know, I did my senior year at the Jibbis. Yeah. So
Mango: okay. Yeah. So then I went to college and then I tested out of all the English. And I went back
joel: I I d yeah, right.
Mango: over to the Javis and said, I gave him my paper. I said, Hey, this is weird. I tested out of all the college courses in English. And they s they said, all you had to do was just do
joel: See, this is the problem, Mingo. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Mango: what you were supposed to do. And I said, I did. I learned how to read.
joel: Yeah. This it this is ex this is a perfect example of why people get frustrated with you because you keep nagging. You didn't have to go back to the school to show. You just wanted to. Yeah, you did. Going back, no
Mango: I didn't act. No, they they came to me and said, You're not going to this is not gonna happen for you and I said, I think I will.
joel: Yeah, but then you went then you went to the college, you passed out past the college courses, and you went back and proved to them that
Mango: Mm, yeah.
joel: you're that you did it. You didn't have to do that.
Mango: Yeah. I know, but I wanted to
joel: Yes, I know.
Mango: I wanted to prove to them that I could do that I was able to read.
joel: I think you were able to read.
Mango: It it's I don't know. It it's funny 'cause it's like th there is this thing of why if you're proficient enough in something, why do I need to take four credits? No. I don't need to take four credits of that.
joel: I don't think I don't think we have enough time on this episode to talk about the education system. The education
Mango: Ha ha.
joel: system is so flawed. I can't the I can't stand the way that the kids do their work now because it's all online and I it it is homework for me to figure out how to access it to see if they're even doing their work. And it's like I shouldn't have to I shouldn't have to worry about that. I have to double check and see if their assignments are done and a it's the education system is so flawed. It's been flawed for a long time. Well but, you know.
Mango: Alright. Let's move on from that because I don't want to talk about how awesome I am.
joel: Well, it wasn't about you. It was about punishment of a kid. And
Mango: That's right.
joel: we can agree that if you're late, you're gonna be a loser and probably a
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: criminal. no. We can agree that being late should not be accepted, but there are better ways to go about it. But I also don't think this guy should lose his job.
Mango: And Joel, look, what happened to me? Look at what happened? What happened? All right.
joel: Everything. You're slowly losing friends. I gotta stopwatch.
Mango: Ha ha ha. let's get to the the things that our parents said to us that actually didn't matter. this was your thing. How did you
joel: So
Mango: how did this come about?
joel: so I was laying in bed the other night and Charlie Charlie is a 13 year old girl and she pushes every button that I have in my entire mind and it drives me nuts. Well the bathroom, the kids bathroom is right next to Wesley's room and she was showering and I was trying to get Wesley to go to sleep and I'm laying there and the shower is just running. And running and running and running. And it annoyed me that she was in there that long just to be in there that long, right? Because it listen, I get it. A hot shower is very nice, and you want to stay in there for a while.
Mango: Sure.
joel: We have a hot tub for that. Just go get in a hot tub. Okay. you don't have to you do have to, but you take a quick shower.
Mango: Then you gotta take a shower again after the hot tub.
joel: But so I got to laying in bed thinking I should go in there and yell at her and say, You're taking such a long shower, you're gonna waste water and you're gonna raise my water bill. And I started laughing
Mango: Ha ha ha
joel: because my water bill lasts my your water bill is three months at a time, right? Yeah, your water bill is three
Mango: I d I don't know. I got a well.
joel: your okay. So water bill is three months at a time, and I think my water bill was like a hundred and thirty dollars for three months. Okay.
Mango: Hundred and thirty. I guess
joel: Yeah.
Mango: that's not bad. I don't know. When I used to live in the city it was every month I get a bill, but
joel: No you you no you didn't.
Mango: Every month. And then it
joel: In Troy?
Mango: mm-hmm, 'cause if you didn't pay it on the third month, I think they come and shut shut you off. And again, as a bachelor, this would happen often because I'd freak to go pay it.
joel: 'Cause you did I don't know why you would be I don't know why yours was like that because in Troy when we lived in Troy, it was every three months.
Mango: No, mine was every week or
joel: That's
Mango: every month.
joel: that's weird. But anyway, so ours is every three months, but it's $130. So it's you know, forty doll forty-five dollars a month. So even if she did take that shower for three months, my bill would have still only been like 260 bucks. You know what mean? It wouldn't have been it there was no such thing as it wasting water. It's still, you know, it's going back into the plant and they're retreating it anyway. So it's
Mango: Right.
joel: you know, it's whatever. But it's All the crap that we say to our kids just to get them to like or just they ask for something and we just make up bullshit excuses, right? So I have I have a couple ones. So like your your kids come to you and they want to have a sleepover, right? And you tell them, no, it's not a good it's not a good night for that. We just we have so much stuff that we have to do tomorrow. We have to be here at like one o'clock. Or we have to do this, or we just you you just make up the dumbest excuse so that you don't have to have nineteen kids in your house because you just don't want to deal with any kids at night, right? I always thought that one was funny.
Mango: Sure. My my mom never used that one.
joel: Never use the tonight's not a good night for it.
Mango: No, but I was also an only child, so
joel: You are you're a spoiled brat. It's probably why you f argue like you argue. Okay. So so another one that kinda makes me laugh is and Sarah is really good at this and I don't I think Sarah thinks it's true, but so you know how when you're driving at night and someone turns on the overhead light and you say, You gotta turn it off because
Mango: yeah. They say it's illegal.
joel: it's illegal. You gotta turn that off 'cause it it's not illegal. You're just annoying the shit out of me, right?
Mango: Rah.
joel: You usually making me you're just going, seriously, it's not or like you're out and everybody's hungry and you go, We don't have the budget. We have food at home. And you're like, realistically, I just don't wanna go through a drive-thru or get out of the car and sit in a restaurant or wait on food. I just wanna go home. So I don't
Mango: I think most people would rather go through the drive through there 'cause they don't want to cook.
joel: that's yeah, it's possible you I that's an older ec older thing of we're not eating out 'cause we don't have the money. Bullshit. You have
Mango: Yeah.
joel: you had money to buy me seventy five squishy toys, but do you you don't wanna go out to eat?
Mango: Like the quit running in and out. We're not trying to heat the outside.
joel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mango: one. I like the I think we talked about earlier you didn't like it. I liked it. Don't pick your nose 'cause it's gonna make your nose bigger.
joel: wait yeah, but that's like saying, what's the if you keep if you if you if you yeah, parents lie all the time.
Mango: This is a parents lying to you.
joel: if you keep if you keep looking at me like that, your face is gonna get stuck. Yeah, you keep making yeah,
Mango: you keep making faces is you're gonna get stuck like that.
joel: your face is gonna get stuck like that. and then yeah, the heating the outside, turning the lights on and off, like You're wasting
Mango: Yeah.
joel: electricity. You're not wasting electricity. I just don't want the l damn lights on. Turn off.
Mango: Or that well, back in the day the light would just blow because of the energy going not now, because of the LED lights, but
joel: Yeah, yeah, but okay. Let's get no bullshit. Let's talk about that. Because LEDs, when you buy what's it say on the box about the bulb? How long is the bulb gonna last?
Mango: I don't know.
joel: They say fifteen years. This bulb will last fifteen years. Dude, they blow all the time. They I change those lights just as much as I hell yeah, all the time.
Mango: I don't think I've changed my lights in years.
joel: I ch I change lights all the time. look, there's one out right now.
Mango: What do you are you going to the dollar store or Dollar Tree to get
joel: No, d
Mango: these?
joel: no man, I'm bomb Costco.
Mango: Wow. Costco's probably get from the Dollar Tree. I don't know.
joel: Probably. No, but even if you get the even if you get the ones from Lowe's, they you they still I have lights blow all the time. And
Mango: Crazy.
joel: have you seen the new lights that have the switch where you can change the wattage on them?
Mango: well I d I don't know. I I have a dimmer switch in my wait, wait, wait. no. Okay.
joel: No, no, no. The bulb it the bulb itself has a switch on it now, so you can put it at 3,000 looms or 50,000 looms, right? And it and and a bunch in between. So you can adjust the light, right?
Mango: Yeah.
joel: So now when you put one of those on and it starts going out, it turns into a strobe light. It's having a stroke. It just
Mango: wait, I so my smart lights are like that when they're connecting. Fucking just flashes.
joel: They just s stroke out.
Mango: Cause it's trying to connect. And
joel: Yeah.
Mango: then when it finally connects, then you can turn it up and do whatever. I don't know.
joel: I don't know. I don't I just I thought it was funny about I w I was laying in bed and thinking about it and I'm like, man, parents really do just lie to their kids as much as possible for shit that they don't want to do.
Mango: It's pretty much.
joel: can we go to the park today, Dad? no, no, we yeah, I g I gotta s I gotta finish this. So But I don't know, I don't
Mango: I gotta finish this. What's this? This is this stuff I'm working on. It's too complicated for you.
joel: you're because Molly's so young, I guess you haven't really experienced this yet, but it's like I get very bored when I go to the playground or something with the kids 'cause it's not it's not like it used to be when you were a kid and you could just swing all day. you just swing and you go, Yeah, I don't this is I'm done with it. I don't wanna swing anymore Or Dad, come
Mango: dude, I like it.
joel: don't climb yeah, at the moment, but I don't know. I just gets
Mango: Now dude, that's just fun to me. when we go so when we go, I usually do my hike first and then on our way back to the car, 'cause there's like seven parks that we pass, we
joel: Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: hit like two or three of and then I put her in a swing and then I swing next to her. Dude, I like I can chill on a swing all day, dude. It's not a big deal.
joel: No, that's what I'm saying is at her age, I w when me and the kids would go, yeah, I could swing all day because you're you're like swinging. But now, like when they wanna like get up and go over here and go do this, and I'm like, Man, I just I don't want to go do any of that. I don't
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: that's not what I wanna do. Like so Wesley and I went over to the skate park with our bikes earlier in the summer and it was frustrating because I could be there all day, right? But he's just not interested in it. Like he likes
Mango: And you're like poser
joel: Yeah. A poser. He j he likes riding his bike, but he doesn't like doing the jumps or anything. And I'm like I could tell he was getting bored, so I got like I got all like down in the dumps. I'm like, God dang it, now we gotta go home and I actually wanna be out. So I was doing
Mango: did you show like was there anybody else there?
joel: w yeah, there was a few people there was a couple skateboarders and
Mango: Yeah, but on their buying bikes. Cause know, you you gotta
joel: No, there wasn't.
Mango: see somebody doing something cool and you're like, whoa And then you wanna like try and figure out how to do that.
joel: Well, that was that was the thing is like we went over to the indoor park one time, about a month ago or so and there was people in there, but I was also doing stuff. I was like trying to teach him how to do tire taps and I was doing three sixties and stuff and they he just wasn't interested. He just didn't care.
Mango: I think there's all there's I don't know. I think there's also a thing of like you see somebody else, not my dad doing it necessarily, maybe, but
joel: Yeah.
Mango: you see I don't know, maybe a thirteen year old doing something sweet on the bike
joel: Yeah, maybe someone around your age would
Mango: And then you're like, Whoa, that's cool. And then they s then, they start trying to figure out how to do that. And then now you're doing it with them and you're showing them the basics. And then he's like, Whoa, dad, you can do that and you're like, Yeah.
joel: That's what that I we were going down the street and I bunny hopped the sewer and he's like, What? You can do that? And I'm like, Yeah, yeah.
Mango: Yeah.
joel: And then and then I pulled a three sixty and he's like, What was that? And I'm like, Okay, cool. We're gonna be in but then he wa I was like, Well just try something, like jump the curb. And he's like, No, I'm not nah I'm good.
Mango: So he's afraid.
joel: yeah, kinda a little afraid, but he just he wouldn't even ride up on it. he just wouldn't adventure. But then it's like I tried to get him to go. I'm like, hey, you want to go ride our bikes? And he'll ride around the block. And I'm like, what do you want to go do? And he's like, it's just, we can just ride around the block. And I'm like, this is not riding your bicycle.
Mango: He's I don't know. There there might be just the fear factor there just being scared to.
joel: Yeah, maybe we'll see. he's Wesley is Wesley is very smart, so I think Wesley's gonna be a I think he's gonna be a very smart kid in the what he does.
Mango: risk assessment. He's gonna be a insurance guy who's
joel: No. He I think he's gonna be a freaking engineer. Yeah.
Mango: It's still risk assessment.
joel: He's really into planes right now. so we'll see how that goes, but
Mango: Yeah. There's gonna be many phases before
joel: I th yeah, there's gonna I know, I j was it I was just explaining this to Charlie. I was trying to explain to Charlie like she's in charge of her own life to an extent, you know. I can still say no, but like if she doesn't make a decision, it's her fault. I was trying to explain that to her and like you're gonna choose to do this and choose to do that all the time. So a and we talked about it. We got a whole nother life to live. How much time do they
Mango: Yeah, yeah.
joel: have? What how much time do they have? They have so much time in the whole world to do things.
Mango: They all probably have three lives to live.
joel: At the moment, yeah. They could do three
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: they could have three different careers easily.
Mango: Well no, I'm saying, you know, there'll be forty five No, they'll get the fifty and then they'll have another fifty years because of technology and everything that's
joel: You think you think technology o you think by the time our kids are in their thirties, technology will advance enough that the average lifespan would go from seventy what's it at? Seventy four right now?
Mango: It's something like that.
joel: Yeah, I think it's seventy four for men and seventy seven for women. You think it'll expand to over a hundred?
Mango: Yeah. There was there was a I don't remember who the scientist was, but it was Neil deGrasse Tyson quoted the
joel: It was, yeah.
Mango: scientist who talked about how the first person who will probably live forever has already been born.
joel: I don't believe that.
Mango: Why you can just we're we're literally able to turn cells off.
joel: We can what?
Mango: We can turn cells off and off.
joel: Do you mean?
Mango: So I take like hair growth, right? You could turn a cell
joel: I knew you were gonna use hair growth. I just saw the video on this. Yes. You can change the receptors on it to make like yeah.
Mango: Yeah, so you can take the aging cells and say, Hey, let's reverse this. Or let's slow
joel: Yeah, but when
Mango: it down or let's speed it up or whatever you want to do.
joel: Yeah, but there's still gotta be a lifespan on it, right? So, like me as a human being, by the time you live forever, are you you anymore? Or do you just have new parts? Right? Because your heart your
Mango: No. It would be
joel: heart is designed not to last forever. So you'll have to get a new heart, right? And then you're
Mango: There's that thing, right? No, you you can literally it's already happening that you can go get a replica of your heart, your say it's your heart, it's your DNA, it's your blood, it's all you. You're just replacing it. That's that whole reason of so mad. When Molly was born
joel: I haven't heard anything about this. I d yeah, the stem cell you didn't do the umbilical cord.
Mango: So they take it from the umbilical cord and then they freeze it and then later on when she's an adult or whatever, she needs a kidney or something. She has it right there. Then you don't you need no drugs, you need nothing.
joel: Yeah, but isn't it super expensive to do that?
Mango: No. No, you wait what part?
joel: So i they have to store it. You have to pay for it to be stored.
Mango: It's like a hundred dollars a year. Yeah.
joel: really? I thought it was way more than that.
Mango: I'm sure it it probably fluctuates but somewhere around there, yeah.
joel: Yeah, you'd be stupid not to do that. Why didn't you do that? really? I heard about it a long time ago.
Mango: That's why I was so mad. I was like, Why didn't nobody tell me about this? Nobody fucking told me. Dude, I was so mad. I was like, I would have signed up for that immediately.
joel: Yeah. I mean, stem I understand that the science, like stem cells and peptides and everything are really coming along. But and I guess the argument is, and this was a Neil deGrasse Tyson thing too. He was explaining that in the last seventy years we have two times Two X'd our lifespan only because of science. Huh? Yeah. Because ten thousand years ago
Mango: Well yeah. Yeah.
joel: ten thousand years ago from the or whenever the first, Neanderthals were discovered, their lifespan was twenty years, right? And even all the way into like nineteen twenty, the average lifespan was only like thirty-five or something like that.
Mango: This is definitely older than that.
joel: No, it wasn't it wasn't high.
Mango: no, I'm not saying it was high. I sure it was over thirty. Sure. Let's just go with that.
joel: Yeah, maybe maybe fifty, but it wasn't it w yeah, it wasn't a lot. And then in the nineteen seventies it jumped up to seventy years old. So it's like,
Mango: Vaccines.
joel: yeah, within a hundred years we science has changed our lifespan two times. So you think in the next 20 years they'll change it let's just say two more times. That's going to that's going to two hundred years old, right?
Mango: Well, you're you're actually you're actually doing more than two times because you're exponentially quadrupling every time. It's just like the processors and stuff and computers, they more than double almost every couple years. And then you take what science normally does, and then you compare that with the AI that will help and assist to move it along even faster.
joel: I don't know. I that's you're getting you're getting at Chris level technology right here. Okay. You're g you're getting at futuristic
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: stuff that I just I could see it would be awesome. I I hope that we get to technology that gives me I'd love to live a a hundred years. I'd love to live a hundred
Mango: But there's also
joel: years from now.
Mango: there's a jellyfish that basically lives forever. Once it gets so old, it changes its like whatever and then it starts getting young again. And then it keeps doing it. Yeah. Virtually
joel: N yeah. Yeah, it never dies. Yeah. It reverses and then it goes back up. Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: the only way it dies is if it gets eaten or something happens to it.
joel: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. it would be I would if the science has proven I would do it, I'd live another hundred years and then assess and see. I love living.
Mango: Make me a vampire, dude.
joel: That's what I say. I I totally like if vampires were a real thing, I I would find one out and go, I I wanna be a vampire because
Mango: It sucks not seeing sunlight again unless I'm behind something, but what's the payoff?
joel: Well, but that's that's a fairy tale. Maybe in the maybe they do figure it out, but
Mango: Dude, I'll go wake boarding at night. What's gonna happen to me?
joel: yeah. right. Yeah, I completely agree.
Mango: All right. What what is something dads need to learn about?
joel: Ooh, well I okay, so this is not I don't know if it's something that they need to learn. It is something that I learned that I know a lot of dads don't do it. And it's a very useful skill, especially if you have it even if you have daughters. No, I've never learned that. It's never gonna happen. So so
Mango: I'm gonna shut up. Nah. Just get it. Did you even try, dude?
joel: there is a group on TikTok called the Secret Dad's Life. And they host a thing called Pints and Ponytails. Okay.
Mango: What is what's this called? Secret what?
joel: The secret dad sorry. I think it's called the Secret Life of Dads.
Mango: did Zach and Cody make it?
joel: No. Yes. They're The Secret Life of Dads. I don't know who it is. They're a TikTok group on TikTok. But anyway, they host this thing called Pints and Ponytails. And basically you go in and you learn how to do your daughter's hair. So I think this is gonna come in handy for you. I don't know, have you ever tried to do anything with her hair yet?
Mango: I put in like a ponytail and stuff.
joel: Yeah. Right? And brushing it and then the what
Mango: But I I can braid, so
joel: so can I. that was the other thing. That was the reason that I was bringing it up is like how many dads out there do you think you n think can do a ponytail or have come up with conventional ways to do it? So the the one that I saw that's the best is you put a hair look at that, I have a hair tie. Put a hair tie on a vacuum and then you
Mango: yeah.
joel: vacuum her hair and then you put her hair in a ponytail. Is it so
Mango: Very clever.
joel: Very clever. And then learning how to braid. I think, being a dad, I think it's something you should do. So then you already know how to do that. So that's perfect.
Mango: Yeah. I can French bread too. It's been a while but
joel: I can't I French braid always it was too tedious for me and I couldn't
Mango: Ha ha ha ha.
joel: do it. And then the other thing, the the worst nightmare of it all is brushing the hair. yeah, you can grab her hair and you can put it in a ponytail real quick, but when you have to brush their hair in the morning, if you don't learn how to brush a girl's hair, you are screwed. You're talking about eternal fights with your daughter.
Mango: I just got done brushing Molly's hair before I got on here.
joel: Yeah, there you go. that's right, because she's at home this week.
Mango: Well that's right. Yep.
joel: no, I just thought it would be a cool skill and a cool thing to talk about for dads because even if you're not a single dad, you're gonna need to know how to do it.
Mango: Yeah. I don't hmm I don't know if that's gonna be the hardest part about girls, but sure. Yeah.
joel: No, I did it's definitely not the hardest part. It's not the hard listen, the hardest part, the hardest part is a 13-year-old girl upstairs who you remember how we were talking about last episode about what's the number one cause of child abuse in the home? It's a 13 year old daughter, okay? That
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: is because you know what? I want to have a good relationship with my with her. I want to have a good relationship with all my kids. And I try to go in and I try to calmly talk to her about situations. Cause she's a girl, she has her situations with her friends and yada yada. And I try to dad the conversation up and it is straight up, dad, you don't know you're never listening. You don't know what you're talking about. Get out. And I'm like, dude, I was seriously just trying to talk to you and just, help. You you can't help. You have there is no helping. I can't wait until she I can't wait until Molly.
Mango: G getting out is helping.
joel: straight up mangoes you. It is gonna be the best day ever. To where you're tr
Mango: Dude, it's gonna be fun.
joel: you're trying to yeah, because you two it's gonna be a it's gonna
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: be the calmest argument about so then what really happens? So then what's the result? And it'll just be back and forth of the same shit over and over.
Mango: Yeah, Trisha's gonna hit it.
joel: yeah, a hundred percent she is. I don't know, do you think Molly's gonna have the do you think she's gonna have your mentality? Ca can you tell at the moment?
Mango: No, she's like man, when she's around other kids her size, sh she doesn't really want anything to do with them. It's kind of like whatever I'm gonna go over here. Like but people in general, like she's cool with. She'll like look and watch and everything. But
joel: Yeah.
Mango: for some reason comes to playing with like another kid.
joel: Well but she spends a lot of time around adults though, doesn't she?
Mango: Yeah.
joel: Yeah.
Mango: she's around kids too, but all the kids are five, seven, ten, thirteen.
joel: that's a good mix. 'cause my kids did the same thing. My kids were at a babysitter for all the way until they started school. Hell even for a little bit after
Mango: Yeah, but your
joel: school.
Mango: other than Charlie, your kids always had other kids in the house.
joel: yes. Yeah yeah yeah that does that does Yeah.
Mango: So there's a you're you're playing with there's a kid to play with all the time.
joel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all Molly has is you.
Mango: Yeah, which I play, but I get on the floor. We go have
joel: You do
Mango: fun.
joel: you do get I it's I wanna know like n not I wanna know. I'm kinda trying to think of at what age will she start doing shit where you're like, no, I'm not gonna do it.
Mango: like what? What wouldn't I do? Why wouldn't I go do it?
joel: so like, okay, so I have trouble with Wesley and playing basketball because I don't know where he got this from, but he is very confident and very cocky. I don't know where it comes from.
Mango: Sure. That's wow.
joel: and so we'll go outside and we'll play basketball. And I only play for a little bit. We only
Mango: Beeball dude. It's be ball.
joel: play for a little bit because I'll, you know, use It's not competitive for me. So I'm a competitive person. So it's like I can't I could dribble this ball all day and you never get it. And you would get mad and we would get bored and then we no go never go play basketball. So I can only play for a little bit, shoot it, and then I go, Okay, buddy, you're you're on your own. I I don't want to play anymore. So I think you're gonna like it's like at what age does Molly start doing stuff to where you're like, Yeah, no, I don't wanna I don't wanna do this anymore. And you just
Mango: Well see, I wouldn't be that way. It would be more of like I would do that for a while. in your situation, I'd be like, Can't touch me. Mm-mm, can't touch me. Mm-mm. But then No, I know. But then
joel: You you would only do it for a little bit though, trust me, because that's exactly what I did. Yeah.
Mango: I would, tame it way down. I'd like trip and be like, man, dude, you got me. Whoa. you're doing great, dude. I can't believe you got me. Like I
joel: yeah, no, I'm not I'm not gonna give them false hope at winning things because people give up. I'm not doing that.
Mango: it's more of like a You would I I guess the way I would equate it
joel: I know you're training.
Mango: is like this. It's like it w it would be like if we're me and Molly were out snowboarding and I she's like, You never fall. I'm like, I know, right? But then three runs later I'd go do something that I'd know I can do, but then I'd just fall. And then she'd she'd question it. She'd be like, You're just making me feel better or did you actually fall? I'm like, I actually fall, you saw me fall.
joel: Right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mango: But it's always right there of like
joel: I would I get that situation, but I
Mango: No, you did it for me, but but then that's fun because then we both laugh and then it's a thing of like we all
joel: Yeah. But I also see I also see you only doing things that you wanna do, but making Molly do them so that you can do them.
Mango: No, I mean I'll make anything
joel: Like snowboarding.
Mango: I'll make anything.
joel: No, that's good. because my my thought process is like I want to I wanna competitively play and like make you better so that we can actually play it, but I don't want I don't wanna try to dumb it down and then me fall on the ground. 'Cause who knows I might not get up. I might not be able to get up from a false trip. Okay.
Mango: don't get me wrong, if it comes to horses, it's like I don't know how I could make that fun because it's a single person s sport. Like I can't I'm not on the horse. I'm not riding a horse beside you. I'm not I'm not in the ring with you.
joel: Sure. Yeah, but you can still make that an active activity. Do are you guys gonna try to do you think Trisha will try to swing that way of like you guys owning a horse and her being at the horse farm and do you do you? No,
Mango: Yeah. Yeah.
joel: I d I yeah.
Mango: Trish already has a couple of horses. So yeah.
joel: I guess I didn't I guess I never really thought about her owning horses.
Mango: Yeah, she owns horses. Yeah. So yeah, I mean
joel: Okay. Well you know, cause every time we get together, Trish talks so much that I you just it's hard to keep a it's hard to keep track of. Yeah.
Mango: I know, you're like, shut up.
joel: You think I talk too much, you should guys should meet Trish. It's just unbelievable. I'm
Mango: Yeah, so there's things like that of basketball. I'm I'm not into the basketball. I don't I don't care about basketball. So if she wanted to play basketball, I can go make that fun. I can make that fun. I'm there.
joel: yeah.
Mango: I'm i I'm interacting with the sport. physically interacting. I'm not just sitting on some sideline being like, Yeah, go.
joel: no, trust me, I hate sitting I hate watching me and one of the other dads, I texted him and he's like, Aren't you so excited we get to go through this shit again this year? And I went, Yes. Yes I am. 'Cause you sit there
Mango: And then you're gonna be like, I have the ability to not be here for this one, but
joel: Not gonna skip out on my kid's stuff, Mango. I need
Mango: Just go get some milk or cigarettes or something, man. He'll be back.
joel: what I need that shirt that says, I'm just a dad who always come home with the milk.
Mango: Ha ha ha. But now it's it'll be oops.
joel: Riley hasn't asked me that in a long time. Riley used to ask me that every time. She said, Dad, are you gonna go get the milk and come home?
Mango: It's gonna be a sad moment when she never does it again. You don't ask me if I'm ever coming back.
joel: They don't. They they I fought with her the other day. I fought with her the other day because I have been taking her to Tumble on Tuesdays because it's a longer drive and Cheryl doesn't want to drive it. Right.
Mango: Yeah. Do you guys tumble your way there?
joel: Yeah. it's all flippity, floppity
Mango: Sorry.
joel: all the way. so the other day I I'm working on a bathroom and I needed to, I'm I'm out of town working, and I'm like, man, it's gonna be hard for me to get back. And Sarah goes, Riley asked my mom if she would take her to Tumble. And I went, What? What did you do? Like why did you why did you ask why am I not good enough to take you to Tumble anymore? So when I came home, I went to Riley and I went, so you don't want me to go to Tumble anymore? Like you don't want me to take you at all? Like what's the deal with that? Am I not good enough to take you to Tumble anymore? Like are you all grown up? Like what's going on? And she's like, No, just, Nene hasn't taken me in a while, so I just said she could take me and I went, okay. I see how it is. It's all grown up. Don't want anything to do with dad anymore. I'm
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: I'm gonna hundred percent guilt trip my kids.
Mango: So did you not go? Did you not go to that one?
joel: To tumble the other night? No, I was working. How many times do you think you can bring this up in the episode again? About fifty-five more? Yeah, bailing.
Mango: It's really weird, huh? Feel like you were bailing on your kid then. It's weird.
joel: I always bailing. I just pick my I pick the things I want to bail on. Realistically, I'm just making shit up. I don't have anything going on. I just don't want to go with you. I don't want to spend face to face quality time with you. I like our time on a video chat, but I don't wanna
Mango: Yeah, sure, sure.
joel: say The guilt trip.
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: Sarah and I were talking about this in the r car ride last night going to get food. We can't wait till the kids get grown up so that we can go to each one of their houses and do the exact same thing that bothers us that they do in our house. So so
Mango: what what would you do? Not throw shit away?
joel: I I told I told Charlie, I said, I can't wait till you get your first apartment. I'm gonna come over and open all of the cabinets. I'm gonna leave the doors open. I'm gonna pull
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: the cereal out. I'm gonna make everything. I'm gonna I'm gonna half eat the cereal. I'm gonna leave it on the counter. I'm gonna go sit down. I'm gonna just sit there. And then when you say dad, why didn't you put this away? I'm gonna go, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm coming back to it. I'm gonna get it. I'll get it here in a minute.
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: And then I'm gonna leave and not put it away.
Mango: What are you gonna break though? You gotta break something.
joel: That's what yeah I did I said yeah. I said w I told him I was gonna leave I was gonna take all the toothpaste lids off the toothpaste and just spray toothpaste all in the sink. Just everywhere.
Mango: Yeah.
joel: you know, realistically, my kids are good about not breaking things. We don't really have a lot of broken things. We just have a lot of not put away things.
Mango: I thought you're just gonna say things that don't work.
joel: yeah, we just have a lot of things that don't work though. We don't if it's cheap, it breaks, but those are usually just small toys. But no, my kids are usually pretty good about broken not broken things.
Mango: So you bail in on tumble you or whatever. I'm sure is it tumble is that called Tumble You? Or am I just making shit up?
joel: Let's tumble you.
Mango: I thought that was the organization or something. Maybe it's from a movie. I don't know why Tumble
joel: For for w I don't know what Tumble U is either. So Riley goes to a cheerleading gym for Tumble class, but then she does gymnastics at the Y. We do not go to Tumble U. I think Tumble U's on Netflix. I think it's a thing on Netflix. I think so. Yeah, I think it's
Mango: Is that what it is? I must have read it somewhere. I don't know. For some reason it's in my head.
joel: I think it's on a yeah, I think it's on Netflix. Anyway.
Mango: Alright. Anyways, so when it comes to like kids' sports, they're expensive as hell. We've talked about how expensive they are. And there's this thing I was thinking about of like short term and long term financial stuff, just because I was talking about financial stuff today and what happens? Well, I'll just ask you. You're in a you would be the hypothetical situation is
joel: Girls, I was thinking of girls at thirteen. Sorry. Go ahead.
Mango: What I don't
joel: You were asking me a question and you were putting me
Mango: No
joel: on the spot. And I was just telling you what I was thinking about as a teenager.
Mango: Okay, so I was like I don't wanna know why you're thinking of girls at thirteen. That's weird, dude.
joel: Shit. Okay, go ahead. Anyway.
Mango: so your kid wants to do, say, football, right? I wanna play
joel: Okay. Okay.
Mango: football, I wanna play football. it doesn't matter what grade they're in, it's all expensive. Yeah. I I'm I'm guessing fifth grade and up gets pretty expensive. I'm guessing under fifth grade is you're just staying local, but
joel: No. No. B ours goes to sixth Pee Wee goes to sixth grade and it's all like it's like five hundred or more dollars plus fundraisers
Mango: Yeah. Okay. So
joel: and everything, yeah.
Mango: So yeah, okay. So football's expensive say they're in seventh grade, eighth grade, where it's like exponentially a lot more.
joel: In the s it's school, yeah.
Mango: Yep. And you just can't afford it. Because it's either this, it's either you do that and you you're you're either you're going to create debt somewhere.
joel: Okay.
Mango: Either you go into debt doing that or You just pay for it without debt, but then debt's gonna come somewhere else 'cause that money's gone. And you don't have enough either way. So you spend all these years paying for school, or not school, but the school sports. And you're doing the travel stuff because they have to travel, you have to pay for that, you gotta have food on the road, all this stuff very expensive. Or do you think long term of like And again, th this is just a factor and the many things here, but these are things that people have to think about. You're you're going to create this financial debt over sports to you can always rationalize it and say, Well, it's building character, it's doing this or that. To me, you can build character without sports. Like
joel: Okay.
Mango: you have school that you have to go to, you have friends, you I don't know, maybe you go to church or something. There's all these other outside things that don't cost thousands of dollars a year to do that build character, that build who you are. Hmm. So you do these things and then you're like, I can't afford it, can't afford it, but we're gonna find the money somewhere. Usually that money becomes debt. Debt usually will keep traveling. So, okay, they're twenty years old now. they've been out of school for two, three years. There's a lot of debt there for all those years, over five years of a sport, thousands
joel: Right.
Mango: and thousands of dollars. Plus all your regular life stuff, right? 'Cause
joel: Right.
Mango: you're you're you're you're pulling from somewhere to pay for something else and you're just getting to a hole. And then that creates this long term debt thing. And then when you're gone, who's gonna get that debt? Obviously you don't take on the debt, don't sign the papers, but you're leaving nothing behind. Because of these little things that add up, like sports. But you're like, but my kid has to have it. Not really. If you can't afford it, that's a bad financial decision to do. So then you're leaving your kid nothing later on, but it builds character.
joel: Yes. But it builds character.
Mango: So it's like then there's not even just that. It's like then when your kid gets older. You're gonna put them in a position that now they have to take care of you. And that's not necessarily fair. I know, right?
joel: Damn right, I just let play all these sports. They should
Mango: So then now they're pulling money out because they're trying to figure out how to take care of you in your later years. Because you were doing so much for them, doing everything you possibly could, which is really just falling into debt. And then now you have this going on. So sure, the short term kid's super happy. You got to do what you want, you got to play the football all the way up to whenever. And again, that's just a minor thing, but still that's thousands and thousands of dollars. When,
joel: Sure.
Mango: on the other hand, if you want to play football, you don't have to do it through the school. There are so many other options that are way cheaper that I've looked up.
joel: football's probably the worst sport for you to choose for that 'cause there's really not private clubs for football. But if you were to say hockey, basketball, baseball, a lot of other things, then yeah, there's different avenues than not doing it through the school. But football is primarily a like school program.
Mango: Well, again, as I was looking it up 'cause I was like, are there alternatives for football? And there are. There's stuff like for around us, there's stuff like the I don't know necessarily this place does it, but s something like a Lincoln Center. There are places like that that have their teams that
joel: Maybe. Yeah.
Mango: are community that you go play. And you would play these other teams, but it's way
joel: Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: che like I mean a fraction of Cost.
joel: I'm sure. So that we we face this, this is an all in one problem with baseball. So the fact that all of these parents start doing travel ball with baseball because it gives their best their kid the best opportunity at the shot to play baseball. Well, number one, there's more baseball is probably the hardest professional sport to get into because there are thousands and thousands of people Who go through the farm league system and the independent baseball league system and the adult league baseball system and the you know, there's so many people in the baseball system that the likelihood of them becoming a professional is astronomical, right? So you put all this money into baseball, you know, you're trying finding the way you're wasting the money, you're you're not going on vacation because you have to pay for baseball and you're justifying it that way, right? You're going, We couldn't go on b on vacation because we had to pay for baseball. No, dude, you could have just said screw baseball and went on vacation. What's gonna what are they gonna remember more later on the line? Because realistically they're not gonna be a professional athlete, right? So why are we s
Mango: It's funny.
joel: why are we going into debt to to do this because we think he's, has the best opportunity. Well
Mango: Yeah, just a a side note there, because I I just recently heard it like a few weeks ago. I don't know why was listening to something about baseball, but there have just for perspective of this, there have only ever been twenty two thousand eight hundred and forty-nine major
joel: Correct.
Mango: league baseball players since the start of the National League in eighteen seventy six. That's it.
joel: that have that have played in a major league baseball game. So if you're in the farm if
Mango: Yep, that's how many players there have been?
joel: if you're in the farm system, you're considered a major league baseball player, but you've never played in a major league game. So that that but the stat is twenty two thousand people have only ever played in a major league baseball game. That doesn't even fill a major league baseball stadium in the history
Mango: No, no, but that's
joel: of baseball.
Mango: but what you're yeah, that's that was that was the whole point. But no, these are what you said, they're considered that. That is the major league baseball players. That is the players. Everyone who's
joel: Yeah, the players who have
Mango: ever been considered a major league baseball player since the n eighteen seventy
joel: No, not no. Not cons there's
Mango: six.
joel: there's twenty two thousand baseball players in the major league system right now. It's major league players who have played in a major league game. Because technically you're not a major league player. You're just a minor league player if you play if you don't make it to the major league game. But your stat is still yes. There's only been twenty-two thousand major league baseball players. Not even enough to fill one of the stadiums that they play in in the history. Right.
Mango: Right. Yeah, that w that's what they were talking about was that it doesn't even fill a stadium.
joel: In the history of baseball. So the thought process that you thinking spending all this money to give your kid this opportunity because they enjoy baseball is insane. And it ruins all the sports because now there's no one in the rec league. You don't there there's no camaraderie in the rec league. Everybody treats it like it's a travel league, but their parents don't want to pay for it. So it's, it's just rec league baseball. And then you get one team that has 10 kids on it that can play baseball. And all the other rec league teams are kids who have never even played, who just wanna try to play baseball. So it makes it no fun for any of them. And then it widespreads through all these sports through the same way. And you're and it's all because financially, hey, we're just gonna, Find a way for us our kid to to do I dude, it it's if your point was to make is it a good financial decision to try to make your kid play athlet athletics, no, it is not.
Mango: No, no, not it's not you trying to make your kid play. It's your kid comes to you and says, Hey, I want to do this. And that thing costs a lot of money. You don't have that kind of dough.
joel: Yeah.
Mango: And it's like, what do you do? Do you go into debt for it?
joel: Right.
Mango: Not usually a great way to go. And it sucks that you but there's alternatives of hey, you wanna try this sport? We can go try this sport, but we're not gonna do it this way, sorry.
joel: Right. we need to find a better way to do it so that we're like there's no reason to financially strap us for something that for just a memory of a lifetime that you lived a while ago.
Mango: Yeah. And then it's just gonna put you in it it's just gonna put you in the hole. And again, there's no reason for I've seen the prices of some of those sports or schools. It's there's no reason for it to be that much. There's
joel: Dude,
Mango: absolutely no reason.
joel: here this is I don't I d I don't understand it either. Sarah and I have this argument all the time because Sarah loves cheerleading, which is fine. I appreciate that she loves it. The problem that I have,
Mango: She had fear later?
joel: huh? Yeah, she was a cheerleader. the problem that I have with it is sideline cheer for rec league football. So the Pee Wee football league for a kid to play I think is two hundred and fifty or three hundred dollars, maybe even more. It might be four hundred and fifty dollars. Okay. For them to play football. The how much do you think it costs for the sideline cheerleader to be a sideline cheerleader who has practiced twice a week and shows up on the home games and that's it?
Mango: I I'm gonna say double that.
joel: It's it's the same amount. It's four hundred and fifty dollars. They don't get to keep their uniform. They get pom poms. And and when you go watch the practices, they're volunteer moms who just volunteered who were trying to relive being cheerleaders but can't organize it. Like it there's no there's no
Mango: Dude, that's the other thing. Volunteer coaches.
joel: there's no reason for well because they don't because if you were gonna pay coaches, you would have to you would have to up the entry fee by tenfold.
Mango: No, you would pay what you're paying now.
joel: No, no, because because okay. If you if you made all the cheerleaders, some some of the teams only have four or five girls, right? But then you tell the you tell the person who's gonna coach the team, hey, you get a thousand dollars for the season. Right? Because it you can't you can't
Mango: Well no, I I just assume it would be somebody who works for the school.
joel: no, it's not school affiliated.
Mango: your cheer's not.
joel: The the Pee Wee football's not either. Pee Wee football has nothing to do with the school. We're just it's just the fire they're just called firebirds because that's this, kettering firebirds. So it has nothing to do with the school. It's still a Pee Wee program. There's a board, there's an everything, right? So
Mango: okay. I got ya. Sure.
joel: the volunteer coaches, you can't afford because realistically, look at the high school. If you want to be do you know how much the golf coach gets paid for high school golf coach?
Mango: Why would I
joel: I I think it's fifteen hundred or two thousand dollars for the season. Would you volunte would you do that?
Mango: I'm sure there's gotta be a little bit more perks to that.
joel: Nope. There's no perks. And it's a trust me. I was
Mango: Wait, who who is he though?
joel: who is he? What do you mean?
Mango: is he a science teacher? Is he a so our track coaches were
joel: So if if a yes, if a teacher does it, they get priority. But if no teacher volunteers, then they hire out of the community. But if a teacher wants it, then that person gets fired because teacher gets priority, right? So yes, if a teacher is doing it, they get an extra two thousand dollars to do it, then that's you know, that's usually where they end up doing it. Because I was I was one person away
Mango: But what I'm saying is there's no reason
joel: from being hired. I was one interview away from being hired as the as the golf coach here and a teacher s said he wanted the job and they just said we have to give it to him
Mango: So yeah.
joel: and I went, okay. But the details of doing that was there was a whole lot of work to be done that was not worth
Mango: Sure.
joel: the pay.
Mango: But what I'm saying is again, you're saying the uniforms, right? Uniforms should not be that much money. They just shouldn't be. I mean most of the
joel: They're not. They're not. No, but that's the thing is in these in these sports, they have to get the latest greatest package and the dry fit and the Nike and the it's the it's the organization choosing it, going, We have to look good, we have to do this. first of all, maybe find coaches that can coach and aren't arrogant, dads who think they know football and just volunteer to coach, and then you lose every game. Because that's what happens.
Mango: Again, it doesn't matter how you look, it's a skill, talent.
joel: Yeah, right? I I agree. So I I the the youth youth program youth athletic programs that are in this country are just as bad as the education system. It's all screwed up. And
Mango: Keep throwing more money at it.
joel: you just take a there's a guy on there's a guy on TikTok who he always does these videos, and he'll do like this is nineteen seventy and our the baseball team The parents, this is what I need you to do. Nothing. The kids are gonna play baseball today. Then it goes to goes to nineteen yeah.
Mango: Pick up at five.
joel: Goes to nineteen ninety and it goes, Hey, we're gonna do this fundraiser just so that we can get new shirts. and and you gotta sell twenty bags of or you gotta sell ten pop bags of boxes of chocolate, ten bars of chocolate, right? That's your fundraiser. You gotta raise this much and that's all you gotta do. And then it gets to now and it's like, hey, we've signed ourselves up for a tournament in Puerto Rico. That's gonna be $2,000
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: for you guys to get to. And then since we're already in Puerto Rico, we're gonna take a cruise liner ship over to Cozumel, Mexico, because there's a tournament the next day that we can get into for $5,000 because they're gonna cut us a deal. And it's like, and everybody's like, yeah, let's do it.
Mango: And then we got nationals in Ohio, that's ten grand. It's nationals.
joel: Yeah, right? the financial the financial burden that we put ourselves in just doesn't make sense. It's stupid.
Mango: That's what I mean. I wouldn't I I wouldn't do it. Like even like if Molly was old enough, she's w fourteen and was like We I I need get this horse and it's twenty grand. No. No no. Sorry, no. But he need it. No. Not just No.
joel: Man, I think I think you're full of shit on this. I do I th I think you will figure it out. Because the type
Mango: Mm no.
joel: of dad that you are, you're gonna be like, all right. We'll we'll but I don't think I think you you're pretty financial you're pretty wise on your finances. I think you would figure it out without going into debt or making it a burden onto her in the long run.
Mango: But that's the thing. If there's not a pathway to do it, then it's a no. there
joel: yeah.
Mango: there's always I like we were just saying, there's a way to do the thing. And the then usually that way is debt.
joel: Usually, yes.
Mango: Yeah. So if there's not an actual way outside of debt, then it's just not doable.
joel: Man, I can't wait to ha I can't wait. I can't wait for 13 years from now when we have this conversation. And you
Mango: Ha ha.
joel: go, I'm buying a horse. And I go, Yeah, I know. Because there's no
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: way you're gonna tell there's no way that Molly's gonna come to you and ask for a horse. And knowing your background, Trisha's gonna go, Yeah, we're gonna figure it out. And you're gonna go, go, what, no, what? And then she's gonna go, Yeah, we're gonna figure it out. And you're gonna figure it out. And if not, they're just gonna leave you again. Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha
Mango: there's there's there like legitly the only w obviously thirteen years from now, whatever, if I was making exponentially more money, then there's a pathway to it, then yeah, of course. If it's feasible, yes. But if it's if
joel: Right. That's what I was.
Mango: if the decision is okay, we could do it, but would have to finance this much. But there's this much over here, and I sit here and say, Well, we could handle taking care of this over here and we can do it this way. And then realistically, no, no, I couldn't. On paper, sure, but then there's no cushioning. Because again,
joel: Sure.
Mango: most people will say, sure, we can financially do this. Okay. Technically, yeah, you can, but you're going to strain yourself if anything comes up. If something comes
joel: Yep. Yeah yeah.
Mango: up, you're You're done. You're screwed. And then
joel: I don't know. I I I get your side of it. I do see where you go, Hey, financially this is a stupid decision. But then when it comes to that parent decision, you go, fuck, I'll figure it out.
Mango: But there's that long term run of where I don't want her to be thirty, thirty eight years old trying to take care of me. Cause that is a
joel: I think that still happens anyway. And in thirty years you're gonna be somebody's gonna have to take care of you.
Mango: But I mean in the financial sense of
joel: Yeah, I get ya.
Mango: like, hey, I n I need you to do this. Dad, no, I ha I got this going on. Okay, I was sit over here without the help I need. Like
joel: Mm-hmm.
Mango: now. So what do you rather have the horse when you were thirteen or now you gotta deal with this forever and for the rest rest of my life?
joel: I'd rather have the horse when I was thir I'd rather have the horse when I was thirteen, Dad. Why not? Why can't we have the horse? But but what if
Mango: No. That's not how money works here in this house.
joel: it did but what if it did?
Mango: Yeah, what if the world's made of candies and nuts? The world would be made.
joel: Ha ha ha
Mango: If the world was made of ifs and buts, the world would be made of candies and nuts.
joel: Yes.
Mango: Yeah, so I I don't know. I I think there's a there's definitely a thing of parents being like, but I got to, it makes my kid happy. If they don't do that, they might end up on the streets or whatever excuse you have, it's an excuse.
joel: I don't know. I I don't I I w I'm totally at the point where I'm like screw it. I'll I I will give my kids anything. I like I don't care anymore.
Mango: But again, then the long term effect happens and then they could end up being screwed. And you
joel: Sure. They could. Yeah.
Mango: could screw them as an adult.
joel: Yeah. What did I just see? I just saw this guy. He was he said he said, You're making a big deal about my kids going to school. Hell my kids can no, this is what it was. He said, so you have to be a bad parent to have a famous child because if you don't If you if you don't love your kid, then it creates this great artist or this great person who resents you and just builds this awesome career, right? And he goes, Screw it. I love my kids. They I don't need them to build an awesome career. I'm gonna give them whatever they need. If you're gonna say they can are gonna fell out of school, fine, whatever. I love them. They're gonna, they're not gonna have daddy issues. They're gonna be perfectly fine. I'm I'm not worried about having to do this or do that for them because I love my kids. And he just kept going on this rant about how that that he he goes, you compare a world of kids not having great situations, but your unloved kid who built this huge business is gonna take care of my kid because he's gonna give him a job because and yet he still gets to come home to his loving dad at dinner.
Mango: Ha ha ha. Sure. then there's that there's that realistic point of what happens if I don't know something happens and they need you to they need you to sign off
joel: Not my problem, I'm gonna be dead.
Mango: on something and you're like no bank's giving me anything you need to go ask somebody else
joel: No no banks giving me I think I I think if you you know, our job is to always try to figure out how to make it to where I mean, realistically, having kids, you're you're never done. Even when they grow up, when they leave, whatever, you're still taking care of Yeah, you may get to a point
Mango: That's why I'm saying
joel: well, you may get to a point to where you need their help, but hopefully you made your financial decisions well enough to where it doesn't make a burden on them. A and they got to do
Mango: That's what I mean,
joel: and they got to do the sport. maybe.
Mango: Maybe. I'm not saying you can't. Some people can, some people can't. All I'm saying is, ooh,
joel: we got Echoey.
Mango: those are tough choices that people don't mm always necessarily they make the choice. They do make a choice, but they they
joel: They do make their choice.
Mango: don't think it out long term, I I I think.
joel: We're dude, we're such a we're such a society of instant gratification. Nobody thinks the long term like that. Nobody thinks if I take out this ten thousand dollar loan so that they can play baseball, that eventually they're gonna have to sacrifice something else. That's just it we're just instant gratification people that we just don't think about it that way.
Mango: True. Yeah. Whatever. And then that's what the that's people with credit cards, man. That's why the the the the people who travel for free all the time or buy shit for free off of Amazon all the time is because the people who don't pay their bill. Or they make the
joel: yeah.
Mango: the bare minimum payment and they never get out of it.
joel: Yeah.
Mango: And it's like, wait, that's how the other people get their free stuff.
joel: Hundred percent. But that's the other thing is it people like people with the instant gratification like I need, I need, I need, and then they can't afford it. Dude, I don't need new stuff. I can go buy the thing off of that person for fifty bucks 'cause they're in desperate need and it still works. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Mango: Yeah. Or any like I'm a I'm big on furniture, dude. I I have never had a loan for furniture, any kind of furniture. Like I I it's never made sense to me to be like, I'm gonna get this couch and I'm gonna make payments on a couch.
joel: So so we when we bought our house, we went and bought new furniture, but we got it so we had the money to pay for all of it, right? But they gave us the option to get the credit card at no interest to make payments. And we knew we could afford to make payments at no interest and not lose that giant amount of money while we're moving into our house. So we did do that. But that was a smart, you know what I mean? We thought about that.
Mango: Yeah, if you if you are good at that and you pay
joel: Yeah.
Mango: that off before that interest hits, sure. Like that yeah, okay. But
joel: Yeah, that's we've done that. We did that with that's what we did with the hot tub. When w so with and again, we sold our old house. We made a shit ton of money on it. We lived with my mother in law until we found our new house. We put our down payment on. We had a huge chunk of money. We wanted to we wanted to buy something for us. Sarah and I both had always wanted a hot tub. We went and looked at We had the cash. We could have gr paid right there. We could have paid for it.
Mango: Sure. I
joel: What they said.
Mango: would say a hot tub's a little different than a couch or mattress or whatever, but yeah.
joel: you'd be surprised because the furniture in the hot tub were damn near about the same, you know, it was the hot tub.
Mango: I guess
joel: But anyway, my point is, is we did the same thing is because they said, Hey, you're approved for a credit card at no interest, you have two years to pay it off, you know, yada yada yada, as long as you pay. And we went, Okay, well, we don't have to take that huge chunk of money. We'll just set it on automatic payments and we'll pay it and and it goes away. So we We have done I can't say that I haven't done loans on furniture or on things, but it's been I've made sure that they're smart financial decisions when we I just did it with my furnace. I did the same thing with my furnace.
Mango: That's that's slightly different in the sense of saying, I'm gonna we're gonna buy this five thousand dollar whatever couch and seat. And then
joel: Yeah.
Mango: you put it on a credit card you have. So then
joel: Yes. Yeah.
Mango: you already have the interest on it, and you're not gonna pay that off right away. 'Cause if you if you pay that off at the end of the month, okay,
joel: Great.
Mango: cool. Do it do that. Get those points. Do whatever, yeah, for sure.
joel: Right.
Mango: normally that's not what happens. It's they're like, well we'll stretch this out and it's like you that
joel: Not not ninety percent of the time. Yeah.
Mango: couch became like a eight thousand, nine thousand dollar couch. Like
joel: Probably more than that, yeah.
Mango: and then you d you get in that hole and it's like I don't know.
joel: Yeah, it's stupid.
Mango: Couch and lamps and like ba you know what I put it as like the rent center type of stuff. If you're making
joel: random
Mango: payments on furniture or like PlayStation or stuff like that.
joel: Yeah, yeah.
Mango: Don't. and I'm not saying rent a s I'm just saying even if you put it on a credit card or something and you're not paying that off extremely quickly and that shit rides
joel: What people do, man.
Mango: for a year
joel: Yeah.
Mango: You probably didn't need it that bad. Go find a couch. Go
joel: You probably didn't.
Mango: your friends probably got a couch that's pretty nice. And they upgraded.
joel: Fucking go to a pawn shop, man. You get that shit for nothing.
Mango: But I totally understand not like getting a couch or something off of the marketplace off a stranger. I dude, I understand that. Like don't don't do that.
joel: yeah, I do too. Yeah, I get ch I get I get it. I do get it. Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: But I don't know why. I don't know why like furniture is weird to me to be like I'm gonna make payments on a couch. I don't know why that's now again, not like your situation's different. That's a zero percent if you
joel: it makes perfect sense. It it makes perfect sense. Why would you go spend, a shit ton of money yeah.
Mango: Yeah, but to be like, I'm gonna put this on a card that has twenty five percent interest or whatever and then not pay it off for a year or whatever. I don't know. I I don't know. That's all I got. It's just weird to me. And maybe it's not weird to a lot of other people. Maybe it's like a normal thing. They're just like, yeah, getting a couch in love seats.
joel: No, I get I get it. If you can make like you've said it, you've said it more than once and enough times. If you can manage it, it's fine. But 90% of the time, it's not. People don't manage it.
Mango: Yeah. It was too bad 'cause their kids gotta go play football.
joel: 'Cause her kids gotta go put football's a bad football's a bad example. Football's really not the most expensive one. hockey, hockey trumps just about everything. Hockey is unbelievable.
Mango: I I that
joel: I have a buddy down here who he has twin boys who play on the same team and he spends twenty grand a year.
Mango: Yeah. We we have a buddy that has kids in it and they're like, yeah, we gotta pay to rent the rink and stuff and I'm like, What? Like what? That's not like in the cost of the sport. You kinda need the rink.
joel: Yep. Yeah. It's insane. And and the thing is, is you go you go as a supporter. Like we go and watch Wesley's the same age as as the two boys, and we go and watch them, and there are some kids on there that you go, you're you why are you forking out the money for you can barely skate? Why are you
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: you know what I mean? There are some kids on this team that you go, that's not You shouldn't be on that team.
Mango: Do that and hockey at the junior level, so what is that, twelve and under?
joel: I don't know. They all have they they all have their names and age and yada yada yada.
Mango: Yeah, I think it's twelve and under. It's so ridiculous. w I forget what the rule is, but it's like if if the puck crosses the line before a player does, it's a foul or something, and then it resets. Shit happens
joel: What resets?
Mango: like the face off. Yeah.
joel: Well that's a that's a rule in regular hockey. It's called offsides, but
Mango: Off sides, that's what it's. But no, no, it it's it's slightly different for Pee-Wee
joel: Yes.
Mango: or whatever, because it's I'm sure I'm like butchered it, but it was something like ever all the players are at one end, they sh hit the puck, the puck crosses the line, the center line, and then the player crosses its penalty, or it's vice versa. I don't remember which one. It happens every twenty seconds. And I'm like, this is a pointless.
joel: Right. The every Yeah. The modified the modified rules of underage sports is just stupid.
Mango: Dude, the hockey game was pointless. It was constantly offsides, offsides, offsides. What we're not even playing a game.
joel: Yeah. Yeah. Well soccer soccer soccer's the same way.
Mango: Soccer.
joel: Yeah. Wesley did it one year. Thank
Mango: I I like watching hockey.
joel: f I like watching hockey.
Mango: Yeah. I can watch hockey. That's not the pee wee hockey or whatever. That's
joel: Right.
Mango: that's ridiculous. Get that get that outta here. You're spending all that money for every twenty seconds being off sides.
joel: Plus realistically, all the
Mango: Soccer, I'm out.
joel: parents do all it's a par it's just a party for the parent. It's like a weekend vacation every other weekend. That the parents just tailgate and get hammered.
Mango: Good. They probably look at their bank account or another shot.
joel: Yeah. You mean the n non existent you mean they look at the zeros in their bank account?
Mango: Yeah, dude. It's so much money. But whatever.
joel: So much money.
Mango: I mean And again, I'm not knocking
joel: Two
Mango: anybody for doing like getting their kid into sports and stuff. It's just the long term
joel: Sure sounds like it.
Mango: effect of it can be devastating.
joel: It could be yes, you're not wrong there.
Mango: Anyways, let's go ahead and wrap this up. I gotta wake up early and it's gonna be Friday. And this will come out on Monday.
joel: Will it?
Mango: Hopefully. I don't think I'm like that busy this weekend. Trisha wants to go to the Sasquatch
joel: Okay.
Mango: Festival. And S
joel: Where's that at?
Mango: I think it's in Salina. I guess apparently there's a couple of them going on. There's one in Salina. There's one in Hawking Hills. There's one somewhere else. I didn't even know this was a thing, Bigfoot Festivals?
joel: I didn't know it was in Ohio. I could imagine somewhere else. just that that was
Mango: Don't you know Bigfoot's here in Ohio? Didn't you know that's the big thing right now?
joel: this year. That was the first time ever. Okay, whatever. We've talked about this.
Mango: Anyway, so
joel: Of all of I think Bigfoot are aliens. I'm cool with existing, but
Mango: Aliens. So we might do that this weekend. So I don't I don't think I have a lot going on. I gotta clean the boat. So haven't done that. I gotta winterize it. And yeah, so I should be able to get this out by Monday. Monday,
joel: All right.
Mango: Monday, Monday. And Joel's gonna do nothing. he is now. Dude. All right.
joel: I was just fucking with you. what am I doing this weekend? We have a fall festival that we are going to and I am
Mango: Yeah.
joel: working I'm working all weekend. I gotta close a swimming pool
Mango: Wow.
joel: and then I have to run electric for a bathroom exhaust fan.
Mango: Cool. Let me tell you guys something about the last episode that came out.
joel: cake. I can't wait.
Mango: This guy, this guy named Jewel, never stops talking, always talking. And I step away from the mic for just a few minutes and he doesn't know what to say. He just freezes. Nothing.
joel: I didn't free I talked I talked and then I realized that I was rambling and saying nothing so I went I'm done
Mango: See? He got put on the spot. He didn't know what to do. And then I had to edit.
joel: Yeah. I d well because I wa it was very it was very unexpected and I didn't
Mango: Hence being put on the spot.
joel: well number one, I wanted I wanted to bash you, but I'm a better person than you are. And so I
Mango: Did so great at it.
joel: only bashed real quick for a little bit and then I went I can't really think of any dumb things that he's done that I need to bash. And I didn't want to go to the he likes dudes because that's stupid. And
Mango: Ha ha ha. Yeah, dude, all your gay jokes suck.
joel: yeah, I did yeah. I didn't I 'cause I don't want to do I didn't want to do gay jokes 'cause they're
Mango: Yeah.
joel: just it's old and used up and there's better ways to make fun of you. So much better ways to make fun of you.
Mango: Like a like one of those guys from the YMCA.
joel: yeah, old all and
Mango: Hold him use that.
joel: used. Never mind. and so I ran out of things to quickly say, and then we had just got the episode started, so we didn't really have a topic, and I didn't have anything to riff on, so I ended up not saying anything.
Mango: He said, I don't have anything else to say. And
joel: I got nothing else to say.
Mango: then I had to go through and edit. Then he came back. He came back and said a couple more things. And then he was like, I don't, I don't have anything else. And then dead silence. Again.
joel: Yeah. Yeah. Dead silence.
Mango: From the guy who always talks, who's always loud.
joel: I dude. I if you give me a topic to talk about and I get responses, then I'll just keep talking. But if I don't if I don't get responses, that's probably why I couldn't be a radio host. Like talk I'd have to have a second so that I could have responses in a conversation because I don't know if I could just talk to Yeah, all right. Yeah. Okay. So
Mango: Alright, I'm gonna step away real fast for a minute and go ahead and put this on me.
joel: so thanks for listening to the episode. This is the End of the episode. I mean you're just shaking back and forth. I'm ending the episode. So you can find us on
Mango: Okay, I'm back. I'll listen to what you did.
joel: I didn't do anything. I was gonna end the episode. I was saying I was yeah.
Mango: okay. All right. Go ahead. Take us out of here 'cause I gotta wake up early.
joel: You're the one that you actually are the one that kept talking tonight. So listener, when you get a hear this, and Mango is the one that talked all night long. But
Mango: Shut up, bitch.
joel: Yeah. all right. Yeah. So you guys can find us on all our social medias. And if you have any comments or requests, go ahead and send those over to heydadhd at a o l dot com. And TikTok and Instagram. What are those handles, Mango?
Mango: Your you're you're taking us out. What are you talking about?
joel: no, no, no. See, that's what you always do to me is you say half of them and then you send it over to me. And I'm like, why doesn't he just say all? Why
Mango: You didn't even say half of them.
joel: doesn't he just say all of them?
Mango: You didn't even say half. You just immediately gave it over to me.
joel: No, I know. That's because that's what I was I w my point was is you just
Mango: my goodness.
joel: sign it right over and I'm like, he just said the username. So what what is the whole point of him making me
Mango: I'm so used to having you say the TikTok one because I always have, 'cause I can never remember it. I know. All right, so
joel: Because it was different. But n but now that it's not different, so all right, well with that being said.
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joel: You already said YouTube. don't forget don't forget X. There's so do I saw someone used X to Rob Schneider posted something on X.
Mango: Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider
joel: Yeah, it was about
Mango: in
joel: what was it? He wa it was something political about
Mango: He's gotten very political.
joel: it was about France. And he he said
Mango: Imagine.
joel: he said, isn't it great how you voted for free education, free health care, free all this, and then all the people were tearing down your city. Looks like it's really working well, isn't it?
Mango: Rob Schneider in France.
joel: Rob Schneider. I met him once at the airport. Anyway, all right. We're out of here. We need to go to bed.
Mango: do we?
joel: Think so.
Mango: That's a show. That's a show. All right. We
joel: We got claps.
Mango: will see you guys in the next one. Bye.
joel: Later
joel: We're we're still hanging on to this. Hey dads, what's up? As you can see, we're still hanging on this stupid soundtrack. he's a dad too. Thanks, buddy.
Mango: Yeah. So one time Joel can't shut up. let's get to
joel: I mean I was
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joel: know if we need it so that we can keep operating because we're doing it for free so it's not like we're losing anything. And w and we'll still keep talking to each other and making stupid videos. But it'd be nice to
Mango: Of course, but we n we need it we need it for other people to find us, to push us out there, and that helps with
joel: Yes, we do need it for other people to find us so that we can give you amazing advice as much as we always do.
Mango: Right. R and I hold on. I I have a dog who is either trapped or I don't know what he's doing.
joel: Where is he at?
Mango: He's underneath the sunroom furniture, underneath the couch. And he's just like whining. And I no, he's fine. He's
joel: Alright, we'll go check on him. Go yeah, go check on him.
Mango: he's looking at me. He's just being a dickhead. Yeah.
joel: he just wants some attention.
Mango: Yeah, he puts himself under there and then he's like, I'm kinda stuck, but
joel: Well. He's like
Mango: not.
joel: he's like our dog. Sh she stands in the kitchen if it's eight thirty at night and it's time to go to bed and she just barks and then I wanna punch her in the face.
Mango: Yeah, it's like, what are you doing? You know what's going on. You know how this works.
joel: Right.
Mango: Anyways, we got a few things to get to. We have things that our parents said to us that actually didn't matter. There's a coach in hot water for disciplining a kid. What could he have possibly done? And what is something dads need to learn about daughters? And on the, I don't know, on the back end, or maybe we'll get to it. closer, but short term versus long term decisions, mostly financially. we'll get to those in a minute. Yeah.
joel: You know how we love those finances.
Mango: We were talking about them earlier today and I was like just thinking about all kinds of stuff and I was like, man, this is this might be kind of interesting and throw around. but yeah, dude. So what have you been up to? It's been a week?
joel: Well, we're in the full swing of everything. I've been man,
Mango: Swear to god, if you say work.
joel: I I mean, realistically, yeah, I've been working. I haven't been getting home till late, but we're in the full swing of all like I think every family has like what their busy season is for what like what their kids do and ours is a hundred percent full swing. Like our kids during the summer all do swim and like a few things, but it kinda I don't know, it seems like it's not so busy. But now, you know, with Riley's gymnastic, her tournaments start mm next week. Charlie had her first cheer competition and those are we have a hundred of those now. And then Wesley Basket Wesley's basketball started, so we've been doing that. And then just trying
Mango: Is he?
joel: to find time to do things that I trying to entertain the kids besides that. I'm a terrible I am so bad at finding something for them to do when we don't have something scheduled. if we don't have something scheduled, I'm like, all right, well, let's just sit at home.
Mango: Let's do something I want to do. I just wanna sit at home.
joel: I know it's I know it's I I really do. I I would love I mean we talked about it last week. I i if they if everybody went away for you know, a month, I wouldn't do anything for a week just to I don't know, not have to do anything. yeah. I bet it was
Mango: Yeah, let me tell you, it feels pretty gray.
joel: wonderful. but your family's back, right? You guys are re re reunited. Now
Mango: Yeah, they're they're back. Yeah, they're they're back.
joel: Now every time you guys separate and then get back together, do you have to go to court for that or is this like a one of those what's the common commonwealth marriages? Is that what it's called? Commonwealth marriage?
Mango: Well, let me tell you, it all depends on if I either did absolutely nothing around the house cleaning wise
joel: Okay.
Mango: and just legitly looked like I lived like a bachelor the whole entire time.
joel: Which is what you did.
Mango: That's what I d well, you know, the last two days is when crunch time came and I was like, All right, I guess I should do dishes, some
joel: Well I I'll have to get some things done.
Mango: laundry, you know, maybe I don't know. Bleach the bathroom or something. Make it smell like I did something.
joel: That's a straight up guy move right there. Mm smell. Turn on a candle. Like, look, I cleaned. Yeah. Spray the Did
Mango: That was right. Yeah. Don't you smell that
joel: you ever did you ever So when you had your you never lived on your own yeah, you lived on your own. You lived on your own at f at the at Garfield. Yeah.
Mango: Psalm. I've lived on my loan for a while, years.
joel: Did you ever use Febreze and just spray it into the carpet so it smelled like you cleaned?
Mango: Yeah, dude, I had two dogs. Yeah.
joel: yeah, hundred percent.
Mango: It's me. It was me and two dogs. I literally had a 32-inch TV on the floor in my living room. I had a fold-up chair that I sat in with my dogs,
joel: Yeah.
Mango: and that was my living room.
joel: yeah.
Mango: no joke. And then
joel: I know, I remember.
Mango: I had a futon bed in my bedroom. It was a pretty big futon bed, honestly. probably double the size of a normal one. I don't know what that would be called. Maybe I guess a full twin? I don't know.
joel: Yeah, I think a fool I think it's called a fool. Yeah.
Mango: Yeah. So I would just basically I grill all the time. Even in the wintertime, I'd just go outside, grill some stuff up, drink some beers. Yeah. And then
joel: we do that and I love gr yeah. I love grilling. I grill all year long.
Mango: some I'd go out on dates and stuff. Some people might come see my house. They'd be like, Wow, this is
joel: So you gotta febreeze the shit out of everything.
Mango: this is minimalist here. yeah, I'm not home ever. I have my dogs,
joel: Right.
Mango: I hang out with them when I'm home and then All they need a T V to listen to while I'm gone. So they got a TV.
joel: Yes, yeah, you're supposed to leave the yeah, you should leave the TV on for dogs.
Mango: yeah, dude. So I I then when I met Trisha, still didn't have furniture. but I had I had a buddy who was getting rid of his couch and stuff and it was a nice couch. And I asked her, I was like, Hey, do you know anybody wants a couch? She's Yeah, you You need a couch. I was like, yeah, I guess I sure, I guess I do, yeah. I was like, I all right, I'll go pick it up.
joel: yeah. You know, we we could use one in the living room.
Mango: Yeah. So
joel: I'm a I'm a big fan of making the house smell good all the time. And I know this sounds weird, but I'm a huge candle. I love candles. I f
Mango: Dude, me too. I get candles all the time.
joel: so so do I. I freaking buy every time. Sarah's like, Why do you buying another candle? I'm like, We need them. We need candles everywhere. So
Mango: Dude, my last candle I bought, let me tell you, Junior's mint. Yeah.
joel: Hold on. I could get behind that. we went to Costco and they had candle warmers. Have you seen them?
Mango: I'm not a big fan of him, but yeah, son of.
joel: dude, I freaking love it. You don't have to light the candle and it smells the whole
Mango: I I like
joel: damn room.
Mango: I like the flame. I like the flame, the ambiance of it.
joel: Well, I d I don't disagree with you. I do enjoy the flame. And I if I have a candle sitting somewhere besides under my candleworm, I have two I bought two of the candleworm. One's for upstairs, one's for downstairs. And I turn them on every day. 'Cause they have little timers on them so you can turn them on for two
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: hours. So as soon as I get home I turn on for two hours. Every one of
Mango: Yeah, we got one. I don't like I don't use them. Trucia uses it. She used to use it.
joel: Frickin' love
Mango: I'm a candle guy, I'll like
joel: I love candles. Yeah. Well,
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: it we we one year we were at Christmas with Sarah's family and we always do the like white elephant gift thing. But
Mango: Right.
joel: we don't do the shitty gifts. We all everybody kind of does a good gift, right? And
Mango: That's nice of you guys.
joel: yeah. And Sarah's cousin her his Wife's dad always coming. He's a big bourbon guy. So he always brings bourbon, right? All the time. And I always try to fight for it. Right. So last year he brings bourbon. Someone opens up a candle and a candle warmer. And I, it was my turn to open. And everybody was like, he's he's gonna steal the bourbon. And I said, Yeah, you're right. I'm going to steal. And I grabbed the candle and the candle warmer and everybody went, What the hell are you doing? And I'm like, Listen, and Sarah's just like she's just sitting there. She's not doing anything. She's like, Yeah, dude, he loves candle. and then it got stolen from me and I ended up with freaking bourbon. I didn't want bourbon. I wanted the candle and the candle warmer.
Mango: Kinda feel like you were playing the long game though and you actually kinda wanted the bourbon.
joel: No, I did not. Because I I think it was a regular bourbon. I think it was something that I can get regularly. So I wasn't terribly worried about it. But I wanted the candle warm I was so mad. I wanted the candle warmer. So yeah. I am too. I love candles.
Mango: Yeah, I'm all about it. I just finished up all my gravel work.
joel: all eighty seven ton of it?
Mango: Yeah, dude, it was a lot. I Bobcat broke. We had to fix a belt.
joel: No no no. S you broke the bobcat. The bobcat didn't break. You broke the bobcat. Yes. Yeah.
Mango: Well, i it was on my watch while I was using it. So Bobcat broke, buddy came over, we fixed the the belt in it. Mainly he did, I just supervised. And
joel: What belt what belt is on what
Mango: Ooh, what is that belt called? It is it's the belt that would operate your bucket and everything. Basically it's it's your
joel: okay. Wait, that's not a that's not a hydraulic line?
Mango: it is a hydraulic line, but it's your it operate it's a belt that operates everything. It's a I can't remember what it's called
joel: It doesn't matter. I was just curious. nice.
Mango: But anyways, you can't you can't move it, you can't do anything. yeah, so we did that. And then I finished up. I was like, all right, I'm done. I'll take the bobcat back to my buddies on the next day. So I pulled around to my driveway, have it lined up with the trailer. I was like, you know what, I'll put it on the trailer tomorrow. Go to sleep, go to work, come home, get everything ready, get all the straps out. Get all the chains out and then I'm in my garage and I look down and I'm like, What is what what's all that fluid underneath the bobcat? There's a puddle of just fluid. And I'm like, my god. That thing's leaking oil. It's gotta be leaking oil. So I start it up, I get it up on the trailer, and smell what the fluid is, I'm like, okay, must be hydraulic fluid. It's hydraulic fluid. All there's no hydraulic fluid in it at all. Check that and I was like, of course, of course something else breaks. Call my buddy and I was like, hey, guess what? Something else broke. And I was like, I got hydraulic fluid all over my driveway. And he's like, Don't
joel: Nice.
Mango: worry about it. He's like, it was leaking on me before and then it just quit. So It must have just finally busted.
joel: So you you got the brunt of it. Well, because he probably
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: he probably use it here and there, not he he hasn't made a garage pad and then you just put it under the stress enough to where it finally
Mango: I don't know how much he's used that one 'cause he had an older one that was not hydraulic, so you really had to use some muscle to operate it. And then
joel: If it's not hydraulic, what would it be? Pneumatic.
Mango: Yep. Something like that.
joel: Air.
Mango: But it was like you really you have to use use muscle and have to force the stuff. See here. do it that way and see what it's called. What is there? man, it's really Compact track loader. All electric skids steer loader.
joel: gonna say it's not electric. If it was electric
Mango: No.
joel: it wouldn't be I would say pneumatic would probably be the only one that would be
Mango: think so. Anyways, so
joel: Yeah. Either way.
Mango: I got done. I was like, what is going on here? It just sat here overnight. There's no trail or anything from me moving at the point A to point B. I was like Started leaking after I shut it off. So anyways, I got that all done. Now I gotta build the grass.
joel: Yeah, you do.
Mango: And I'm not really looking forward to it 'cause it's gonna be a pain. I know it is.
joel: Well, looking at the weather you got two three weeks that you you're gonna you need to do it. 'Cause the weather's gonna be
Mango: And
joel: freaking perfect.
Mango: I I I'm gonna use probably pressure treated wood for the base. Yeah, yeah. I think that's how I think that's where I'm gonna
joel: talked about that, yeah. You don't
Mango: go.
joel: do you need a base?
Mango: I do, yes.
joel: It it's it does it can't just sit on the gravel.
Mango: Hmm No, because I'll I'll have to level it out and then drill through and then I'll put my studs through there. So it'll just go through the whole thing
joel: Yeah. 'Cause you just don't want it to yeah.
Mango: and then level out. Yeah. So I don't know. It'll be alright. It it seems the best way to go. That pressure treater lumber should last for as long as I'm here. So I don't know how long I'll be here. I could be
joel: I don't know, man. On gravel it might be rough. You could be gone tomorrow.
Mango: I could be gone tomorrow. Yeah, so that's my project that I'm still working on.
joel: Do you think do you think Trisha will be gone tomorrow? Again?
Mango: Well, she gets a car.
joel: well I didn't mean I didn't I didn't mean it like dead. I meant it as she's gonna leave you again. When's her next horror show?
Mango: Hm no, I think they're over until next year. So fourth season is the
joel: Is done. So now she has to stay at the farm every other week just to keep an eye on the horses or to keep an eye on the horses?
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: I did quotation marks there as listeners 'cause I think it, does she move she it's like you have a custody battle of if she stays at the house, she doesn't stay at the house?
Mango: Yeah, totally. It's like just like that. It's on paper.
joel: Okay. I just want to get your relationship figured out.
Mango: horse season's over. There's nothing else going on. the next travel plan is Wisconsin in December. That's for
joel: That's for Christmas though, right?
Mango: Christmas. And then snowboarding after that. Which
joel: Yeah, which you royally screwed up the date on that.
Mango: You screwed up the date.
joel: No, you screwed up the date. I was actually gonna try and go.
Mango: I'm sure you were.
joel: I was. I was totally in. I told Sarah, I was like, I want to take you guys snowboarding, but I want to go this year because it's Michigan and it's not that far. And if I have to drive, I can drive for up there and go for three days and come home. It doesn't matter. So I was like,
Mango: Why can't you go?
joel: Because there's a cheer competition that's in Cincinnati. And then the next day there's a cheer comp or a gymnastics competition that's in Toledo.
Mango: Hey, guess what?
joel: Toledo is halfway there.
Mango: No, there's gonna be another cheer competition after that one. Actually, there's gonna be a hundred more after that one.
joel: No, no, no. The so the problem is not that there are competitions. The problem is the distance of where the competitions are.
Mango: Dude. So you just say, Hey, my kids sick, they're not gonna be there. That's it. Kids get sick.
joel: That's that's the problem. I'm not yeah, I mean kids do get sick, but the whole point of doing gymnastics and to do cheer is to do the competitions. So why would we bail?
Mango: Okay, well have your mother in law take
joel: Again, the drive she doesn't even want to drive six minutes from her house to here. Why would she want to drive
Mango: I get it.
joel: an hour or two and a half?
Mango: Well, you just say sorry, we'll have to figure it out because I'm not gonna be here. That's what you do.
joel: Yeah. Yeah, Mango, that's how life works and that's why your wife leaves you every other week. Okay.
Mango: I mean, professionals don't make every single game.
joel: Professional nope, that's completely different. That's a horrible analogy on how to Yeah.
Mango: is it is it?
joel: Yes. Because professionals get paid to do their thing.
Mango: Okay, sorry. Semi pros also don't make it. Also, college students don't make it to every single game.
joel: Still doesn't it still doesn't work because they're in call
Mango: Why doesn't that work?
joel: because they're in college to be there. So there's
Mango: They they still don't make a dairy.
joel: Because of injury or something, they don't just take a day off. Especially in gymnastics. Gymn listen, I'm gonna tell you right now.
Mango: Did you shirt?
joel: Cheerleaders and gymnastics compared to every other athlete, I would take on strength, I would take cheerleaders and gymnasts over probably most athletes.
Mango: Okay, but what happens if they didn't get?
joel: Then I don't see the point of doing it. They're doing their competition. Plus I think the Toledo gymnastics
Mango: What no no what what happens if they don't go and they miss a competition? What happens?
joel: the competition still goes on.
Mango: I know, but what happens?
joel: Nothing.
Mango: What? You're telling me nothing happens if you miss a day? Whoa. What?
joel: I knew what I I knew what you were doing, but that's that kinda defeats the whole purpose of joining a team to go I'm gonna go to the practices, but I think I'll skip a few here and there.
Mango: It's not a feud. You're just saying, hey, Dad's got something to do.
joel: I know. unfortunately that's but to me it's more important to do that than it is to go on snowboarding.
Mango: What happens when they have a job and they're on a team and they don't make it?
joel: Dad doesn't have to drive there. That's not my problem then. That
Mango: What do you mean what do you mean? Why would did you?
joel: because they'll be old enough to have a job. I don't have to worry about it. Okay. Well. They have a they have a car. I'm gonna buy a car and they're gonna drive. See, now you're just trying to justify me going on a now you're just
Mango: How do you they could be sixteen? They could be seventeen. What do you do? What happens? Well well the cars broke down. What what happens? Cars cars break down all the time.
joel: trying to find excuses so that I can go on the snowboard trip. I know.
Mango: I'm not finding excuses. I'm asking you questions. What happens when the car breaks down? Cars break down. That's why we have car shops.
joel: They still have to they still have to find a way to work. no. then dad cancels his plans with his friends and take makes sure his kids are taken care of. That's what.
Mango: Yep, but no, but then you'd be part of a team too, so then you're leaving your team.
joel: I how am I a part of a team? It's a it's not a team.
Mango: Well if you're I'm guessing you'd be on a golf trip or something, so you're part of a golf
joel: I was com I was referring to a snowboard trip. But also on a golf team, it's not on a golf on a golf trip is not a yeah.
Mango: okay. Well, that those those three hold on, those four those four days out of the whole year, you're right. It's probably gonna come up on those days that that would
joel: Yeah.
Mango: happen.
joel: And then I'm gonna bail on you. 'Cause I love my children more than you.
Mango: No, but what if you're already up there?
joel: But what if what if I'm not? What if you're not?
Mango: What if you are? What happens?
joel: What if I'm not?
Mango: But what happened?
joel: But what if something happens? I'm just I'm just trying to do what you're doing. I'm just trying to
Mango: Absolutely nothing happens. You were right on the first time. Nothing happens.
joel: make start making things up. But what if
Mango: Yeah. Mine are all logical things.
joel: Buddy, listen, it it doesn't work that way. In your world it may work that way, but in my world it does not. That's not that's the completely defeat that's defeating the purpose. No. A
Mango: does. Has a kid ever missed a competition? I'm just asking a question. Don't don't be like just asking the question. Just answer the question. Have they done it?
joel: a good, responsible kid, no. They don't miss. And that's what my children are. Well, what I'm telling
Mango: I'm not asking a good response. I'm asking if any kid has ever missed the competition.
joel: you is my kids are part of it and they will make their stuff as long as they're not hurt or sick. They will not skip out. Dude, we can do I don't want to do this anymore. You could do this all day long because you want you you're trying to prove you're trying
Mango: But what happens if they got hurt? What happens to the team? What happens to the team, dude? What happens to the team? Can they not still compet
joel: to prove a point but you're not you don't have a point to prove. Okay?
Mango: I already did. You said nothing happens. You already answered it. Nothing happens. Listen back. Just listen back. Yep. And if they missed it, nothing would happen. Nothing would happen.
joel: I didn't answer it. Listen, I can't go on the trip. I can't go on the trip because my kids have things to do that it that involve me Yeah, if they missed it, I I would be upset that they missed it.
Mango: Some college would be like, remember when you missed that time and competition
joel: Yeah.
Mango: in February?
joel: hell, the way things go now, they check your Facebook to
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: see if they want to hire you. So yeah, that could happen.
Mango: Yeah. Ha ha ha.
joel: Moving on.
Mango: Alright, move on. Let's get to your let's get to your coach story about that. Because it's just
joel: Yeah, move let's just move on to the kids and being shitty.
Mango: Yeah. All right. So go ahead. This is your these are your stories.
joel: what but do you have the video that you're gonna play?
Mango: I got the video. Yep.
joel: Okay. So, I believe this was in Ohio. I don't remember exactly where, but there was a football coach who the kid came into practice late and basically he tried to teach the kid a lesson about being on time. He's part of a team. and he was just I trying to make him responsible. And so he made him stand on a box in the middle of practice while everybody was I believe they were warming up. I we'll have to watch in the video. But
Mango: Was this a game or practice?
joel: no, it was just practice. he was late to practice. And so as they're warming up, he's giving a speech and like the parents kind of said that it was berating the kid. and making him embarrassed. Well, play the video and then we'll talk about it. How about that?
Mango: All right. Pull the video up here. We got sound.
joel: All the video up.
Mango: I got no sound on that, but no sound.
joel: I got no sound.
Mango: There we go.
joel: There we go.
Mango: Alright, hold on. Dude, that's that's so ridiculous
joel: Okay.
Mango: of that coach. That is that is over the top ridiculous shit to be like I we had a teacher that did that same shit when I was in school, was like, you're gonna be a loser. This is what exactly they said. They said all of you are gonna be losers, you're all gonna be working at McDonald's, and you're not gonna make anything of your lives. And you know what we did? We literally
joel: Yes.
Mango: were sitting there like kind of laughing, like full of shit, teacher. Like you're mad. Sorry, you're
joel: It
Mango: mad.
joel: he's on the extreme end of it. Yes, because if you play it and continue, which you don't have to if you don't want to, but he
Mango: No, I know, I will. I just
joel: okay, play play it to the end. Okay. That's that's the end. Okay, but so in there hold on. I
Mango: Okay, hold on. So that dude
joel: in that part, right I don't know why it didn't play, but he says, you're gonna be a loser, you're gonna make nothing of your life. And then it pauses
Mango: Yeah, you're gonna be a piece of shit.
joel: and then he says, probably a criminal. Now, I didn't want to talk about it because of the extreme part. of it. I wanted to talk about the part of do you think the kid should have been punished that way, but not berated as bad as he was? Because I believe he should I'm okay with him like if it was my kid and the coach and he came home and he said, Hey, I you I was fifteen minutes late to practice. Coach made me stand on a box in the middle of practice and made everyone work out. Now, if I saw the video and he didn't like talk to him like that, I'd be like, Yeah, dude, you're part of a team. You're not supposed to be late. You should take responsibility for yourself and understand that you've affected the whole team. So there should be punishment for it. Should the coach have said some of the thing like called him a called him a loser? He didn't call him a loser. He said he because he was referring to the whole team. He was like, You're gonna be losers. You're gonna, you know, he was trying he was trying to
Mango: Yeah, he went off talking specifically to him and then it went broad to everyone. Right. Now,
joel: Yes, as it was brought down. Yeah, right.
Mango: dude, standing on the box is fine. that's not a big deal. That's a good punishment because then everybody around you who's on your team is like, dude, y actually, them working out while he's standing on a box, that really doesn't make anybody mad. Because you're working out anyways. That's what you're supposed to do. He's just standing there.
joel: No, it's supposed to embarrass him.
Mango: Yeah, and it really doesn't because you the goal is to have your teammates get mad, not mad, but hey, dude, we're getting on you. Don't be late again. So what you should have done was be like, hey, what I did in the police academy when somebody messed up, everybody do planks until they correct what they just did. Because then you are like, I don't want to do planks. These
joel: yeah. Right.
Mango: are the stupidest things ever. And you're looking at the clock and you're like, dude, hurry up. Do what you need to do so we can stop doing planks. Because this is ridiculous. And then everybody's like, hey man, don't do that again. But if you're just working out, which you're already doing, and he's just standing on a box, who cares?
joel: Well, I think the reason that it most people don't do it that way is because then it turns into full metal jacket and you get beat with s
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: you get beat with a soap and a sock because you caused an issue.
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: I I do get where like I do get the part of hey, they have to do something because you screwed something up because that's usually the you know, I think that's the main thing that we've been taught with like team sports. one person does it, everybody's affected, everybody pays. so I I'm more okay with making him stand there and watch and understand
Mango: That's fine.
joel: while he's while he's there. And I don't think I think his speech was
Mango: It's not a punishment.
joel: a I think his speech was a little over the top, but I don't think it was worth being fired. Maybe suspended or or something.
Mango: No, I don't I don't think he should be fired or actually I don't think anything should happen to him just be like, Hey, that was a little ridiculous, I'll do that again. But
joel: Yeah. Right. hey listen, we you punish him but the speech is is the the catch all of of where you screwed up. So
Mango: Standing on a box, dude, I don't even how would that make you feel bad at all? I'm like, all right, this sucks. you guys keep doing you. I'm gonna stay on this box. So he tells me to get off. Who cares?
joel: Okay, but but but if you're late every practice and you have to stand on a box every time, maybe eventually you're gonna stop being late. Maybe. Maybe someone with sense, maybe someone that's not defiant like Mango, but maybe someone would go, All right, I don't wanna stand on this box anymore, so I'll s I'm gonna stop being late. Or if that doesn't work, then you change your tactic of what you're doing for him being late, you know.
Mango: It's like some kid being like, man, I got suspended for two days. gotta set a home. This is the worst. This is the worst thing.
joel: I yeah, I never I never understood I never understood some of the push. So I was at work. This happened to me when I was working construction one time. I I we were working, we were building what were we we were building a restaurant and I had to miss a day. I don't remember what happened. I had to miss a day. I get there the next day and for my work they decided that I had to be basically the safety watcher for the day. So I wasn't allowed to work. I had to sit on the roof, right by the edge where the caution tape was, because we we didn't have an edge. Everybody was working, doing paneling and everything. I had to sit and make sure that they didn't get too close to the edge. That was my job the whole day. And I sat there going, You do understand this doesn't it? this doesn't make me mad at all. I have to sit here all day. You're
Mango: Right.
joel: still paying me. I don't have to do anything but sit here and watch these guys. this is not a punishment. I don't yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. this is this is
Mango: Getting too close, dude. Getting too close.
joel: not and then yeah, the the suspension or the I I mean I think in school suspension makes more sense than out of school suspension.
Mango: Yeah, 'cause you can't hang out with
joel: Do you n
Mango: your friends.
joel: Right. That's right. You you have to Is there a prop was there a I got a note up on my thing?
Mango: Yep, your connection is unstable. Is everybody in your house using Wi Fi right now? Let's see, ask them ho ho Okay, well Joel just dropped off. he should be back. He's got an unstable connection. And I think he's back. I don't know, you just left. You seem fine now. That's okay.
joel: okay. well na well well now you're gonna have two recordings or two two tracks again.
Mango: That's not a big deal.
joel: okay. So I just I I think the I think the thought process of the punishment has always kind of been ignorant.
Mango: Yeah, so to me it would be okay, you're late. Guess what? You get to stay longer. Nobody wants to stay longer. That sucks. I don't want to do that. Or like
joel: Yeah, that's where I would be at. Yeah. Yeah. that was that was I had a boss when we when we when Clint and I worked together at the paint shop, we could take an hour lunch, but it meant we had to stay a half an hour l over over working because we had yeah. So
Mango: Yeah, there's these the punishments are so done. It's like a cop dude, right? on administrative leave with pay. no. He's on administrative leave with pay and you
joel: yeah. Right.
Mango: especially the ones who know are gonna get fired. It's like the dudes
joel: Right.
Mango: had a month off with pay. He's really suffering right now.
joel: Yeah. It just it's kinda weird. I don't I don't know what the thought process behind it is, but I don't know. We'll s we'll just start big companies and start proving you know, we'll just set better rules and then people will take notice and
Mango: But again, so he was late for practice. Yeah, sure, su
joel: Multiple times though. He had been late multiple times.
Mango: sure, yeah, that sucks. Now how did that affect the team? How did that affect
joel: Are we going back to this again? We're going we're going
Mango: the team?
joel: Well, because they had to sit and deal with it and now they are out of a coach. They yeah. Maybe they
Mango: What do you mean? They had to work out like they were gonna do anyways.
joel: weren't gonna work out. Maybe they maybe he made them all work out and he had to watch, I love I love when you try to justify things.
Mango: What do you mean? He was late. I'm just saying what happened? Nothing. Nothing happens.
joel: Well realistically, if you're gonna view everything like that, nothing happens ever. Nothing. Nothing. What happens if I miss the snowboard trip? Nothing. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. No, I don't. I don't. I missed nothing happened. No,
Mango: You miss out on life. You missed out on a great trip. That's what happens. You that is what happens. That's literally what happens.
joel: it happened it nothing happened for me. I didn't miss anything because I didn't go. I didn't miss
Mango: You missed out.
joel: it. So I didn't go. So then what happens? But then what happens?
Mango: There are there are things that happen, there are consequences.
joel: But what then what happened? Stab you. I'm gonna
Mango: So if you have a job and you get fired, you lose money. That's a problem.
joel: stab you.
Mango: If you get kicked out of school, that's a problem. If
joel: Yes.
Mango: you get kicked out of college, that's a problem. That's a lot of money gone.
joel: Mm now you gotta you
Mango: Yeah, what? It's money down the drain. You don't get that money back 'cause you got kicked out.
joel: even if you do graduate college, there's still money down the drain. Unless you do yeah. Unless you go for something that actually needs college.
Mango: No. Unless you go for something cool. But yeah. So there are actual consequences, but when it's such bullshit like that, it's like, what's gonna happen? Like, there's literally nothing that doesn't affect your life in the long run at all. And they can sit there and say, like, well, it's because you can't show up for this one
joel: Well, but I th I do th it's
Mango: time for this one thing. That means you're gonna be a loser forever. No, no, it doesn't.
joel: Right. It just means you need to learn. I do think it's a good lesson to teach somebody. I think it's a very good lesson to teach them. That if you're part of something and you're given a specific time to be there, then you should be there. That's just accountability. That's fine. So I don't I don't I mean, I think the lesson still needs to be taught, but yeah, then like the speech of you're a loser is not
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: like it it it doesn't like you said, it doesn't guarantee it. You're not gonna be a loser. You're not gonna be a criminal. You're not that there it doesn't prove anything. It just means you need to do better, set an alarm and
Mango: I don't know that these coaches aren't creative at all. It's like, okay, you you you're just mad.
joel: Yeah, but do f
Mango: You're just an angry person who
joel: Football coaches, all football coaches, all football dads are crazy footballs. they act like it is the only thing happening in the world. You had the pee-wee football dads. my God. You're watching some of the pee-wee football dads and they just they're screaming and and acting like this is the Super Bowl of every week. And man, it's it's insane to watch the the I don't know the givea shit that they have about. Nothing that's no kid has ever gone to the NFL out of.
Mango: Doesn't matter.
joel: Right.
Mango: It's it's like people's road rage. the bet my favorite thing to do. My favorite thing is when somebody gets pissed off at me for whatever reason, they think I cut off or I'm going too slow or whatever it is. And they flip me off and I just smile and wave at And they get so mad. And they
joel: That's what I do. I always sm I know.
Mango: s I had one guy, he was beating his dash and slowing down, and I'm just putting my hand outside and wave and smile.
joel: Hey hey, how's it going? I do the thumbs I do thumbs up. I always do thumbs
Mango: okay. That's good too.
joel: up. Like, you're doing great. That was a great job. Yeah,
Mango: I like the wave because I can exaggerate the wave.
joel: that's true too. Yeah. I'll wave sometimes.
Mango: But yeah, dude.
joel: It's thumbs up. It's most of the time it's thumbs up, but I do like the wave. It's fun. Like Forest Gump wave.
Mango: Yeah. That's my favorite. And it's the same thing with teachers, dude. some of those some of those not teachers I got them a couple of fights with some teachers, but it's like what are you gonna there's this thing
joel: You got into an argument with someone, you argued like to no end.
Mango: Yeah. I had a teacher that had braces and I was like, What are you doing? Are you are you lecturing me with braces? Like what?
joel: Although, let's be honest, adults with braces is kinda weird.
Mango: D it's weird. It's weird.
joel: My sister had and I found it awkward. Yeah.
Mango: Yeah. look, go fix your teeth. Do it. But just know it's gonna be weird. I'd rather you just look a little weird, you know, in the short term. Go fix that shit. But it's gonna look weird.
joel: Yeah. So then if you would rather them fix it, why would you berate them about teaching with braces on? 'Cause you're an asshole. a little kid.
Mango: Because that's weird. Because it's weird, dude. It's weird. Dude, there is that mentality, dude, the mentality I'm sure some kids got it. I had it. It's what are you gonna do? Like what you're an adult. What are you gonna do to me?
joel: I mean that's yeah. I could see that. I don't know. I'm kinda on this thing to where I'm like,
Mango: Yeah.
joel: I think you should respect the people who are trying to teach you something, but also question why they're doing what they're doing. So it's not being so abrupt with it, if you didn't like
Mango: Yeah, I d
joel: that they were teaching with you, then you say, Hey, I don't like it. Put a piece of paper in front of your mouth while you're talking to me. No.
Mango: a hundred percent I I was an asshole kid for sure. I'm not saying I was smart in any way, but it's like it's it was very easy to tell that like there's not a lot you can do. You can sit there and say, Okay, well I'm gonna give you a detention. For what? 'Cause you have 'cause you have braces. You're giving me a detention because you have braces.
joel: Well, because you're because you're being disruptive and disrespectful. So it's
Mango: No, I was again and the here's the argument is I was just pointing something out that is distracting to me.
joel: But then you got into then you got into an argument
Mango: And I get a detention for that
joel: that was distracting to the class. That
Mango: Mm mm discussion.
joel: that was disruptive. Who had the discussion? You and the teacher? No one else?
Mango: Mm. Yeah, because that's how that starts. The teacher asked me a question of why I'm not doing something.
joel: Is a discuss but yeah, but a discussion yeah, but for you to justify it to not be a disruption, then the whole class should be a part of the d discussion. They weren't.
Mango: They were observers. There's an A B conversation discussion. They are observing the conversation.
joel: You're you're really good at making bullshit excuses to explain your situations. You know that?
Mango: Dude, I basically graduated by talking my way into graduation. No joke.
joel: Yeah. Yeah. No, I c yeah. I can believe that.
Mango: I I failed English. I had a English class my senior year. I did absolutely nothing in that class. And I think I had like a month. I think there's a month left of school and my counselors call me down and they're like, Hey, you're not gonna graduate 'cause you're failing English. And I was like, Okay, that's dumb. just give me a final and I'll just pass that. well, we don't do finals here because it was vocational. So you do two years at high school, two years at the vocational. So there's no finals there. And I was like, that's dumb. Just give me a book and I'll show you I can read. And they're like, that's not how it works. I'm like, that is exactly how this world works. I read
joel: It's it sounds Yeah.
Mango: what is out there in the world, and that's how that works. And they're like, that's not how it's gonna work. I was like, all right, well, I'm telling you right now, I'm probably gonna graduate. So I called because you're still a student at your other your home school. So I called
joel: Correct. Yes.
Mango: up my homeschool and I said, Hey, Thursday, I'm not going to graduate or walk. And I'm pretty sure we can figure out how I'm going to do that. And my counselor at the homeschool is like, Well, we can do correspondence. I was like, That sucks. I don't really want to do that. And he's like, Well, he's like, if you do correspondence, we'll still let you walk. And I was like, I still don't want to do that. And he's like, All right. Let's figure out what's all the classes you've had. And I was like, blah blah blah blah blah. I had this this this and then team leadership. I took a team leadership class. He was like, dude, right there. That's an English credit. I was like
joel: Ha ha ha.
Mango: I was like, Yes, it is. And then the vocational school was like all you had to do was no no no no they were like well you're not we're s we're not gonna give you the The the
joel: The vocational graduation.
Mango: yes, what I study for and passed. cause you go there for the career part, right? So you get certified in everything you do. So
joel: Correct. Yeah.
Mango: my paper was already printed out. My teacher already had it. He was retiring that year. I don't even know if he's still alive, so I don't care about talking about this. He's led, I don't care. Here's your paper. You passed you did everything you were supposed to do in here. Here's your paper. I was like, Cool, thanks.
joel: This was at the at the j at the vocational school or at the at our at a high school?
Mango: At the Javis.
joel: At the Javis, yeah.
Mango: Yeah. So they told me I was gonna graduate. And I was like, come on, I'd probably go on to. And then my homeschool said, Yeah, team leadership, that's an English class. We'll count that. So I didn't have to do anything extra. And then the Javis,
joel: Right.
Mango: where I would get my all my certifications, my teacher gave them to me. He's like, dude, you did everything else. He's like, I care about The school says you did everything I told you to do.
joel: Right. Yeah. Yeah, because when you do when you graduate from the JBS, you graduate with a certificate and whatever you took, you don't get you don't graduate f with the credits of the things that you took for school.
Mango: You do because you still have to get all your credits in for your English, your science, your math.
joel: Well yeah, but those those account to your high school graduation.
Mango: Those count to your diploma and everything or whatever it is. Yeah, so you
joel: Yeah. So
Mango: need to take those at the vocational school too, because that's where you take those at now. Because you don't go to the high school anymore.
joel: Well, that's just because that's where you're I know, I did my senior year at the Jibbis. Yeah. So
Mango: okay. Yeah. So then I went to college and then I tested out of all the English. And I went back
joel: I I d yeah, right.
Mango: over to the Javis and said, I gave him my paper. I said, Hey, this is weird. I tested out of all the college courses in English. And they s they said, all you had to do was just do
joel: See, this is the problem, Mingo. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Mango: what you were supposed to do. And I said, I did. I learned how to read.
joel: Yeah. This it this is ex this is a perfect example of why people get frustrated with you because you keep nagging. You didn't have to go back to the school to show. You just wanted to. Yeah, you did. Going back, no
Mango: I didn't act. No, they they came to me and said, You're not going to this is not gonna happen for you and I said, I think I will.
joel: Yeah, but then you went then you went to the college, you passed out past the college courses, and you went back and proved to them that
Mango: Mm, yeah.
joel: you're that you did it. You didn't have to do that.
Mango: Yeah. I know, but I wanted to
joel: Yes, I know.
Mango: I wanted to prove to them that I could do that I was able to read.
joel: I think you were able to read.
Mango: It it's I don't know. It it's funny 'cause it's like th there is this thing of why if you're proficient enough in something, why do I need to take four credits? No. I don't need to take four credits of that.
joel: I don't think I don't think we have enough time on this episode to talk about the education system. The education
Mango: Ha ha.
joel: system is so flawed. I can't the I can't stand the way that the kids do their work now because it's all online and I it it is homework for me to figure out how to access it to see if they're even doing their work. And it's like I shouldn't have to I shouldn't have to worry about that. I have to double check and see if their assignments are done and a it's the education system is so flawed. It's been flawed for a long time. Well but, you know.
Mango: Alright. Let's move on from that because I don't want to talk about how awesome I am.
joel: Well, it wasn't about you. It was about punishment of a kid. And
Mango: That's right.
joel: we can agree that if you're late, you're gonna be a loser and probably a
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: criminal. no. We can agree that being late should not be accepted, but there are better ways to go about it. But I also don't think this guy should lose his job.
Mango: And Joel, look, what happened to me? Look at what happened? What happened? All right.
joel: Everything. You're slowly losing friends. I gotta stopwatch.
Mango: Ha ha ha. let's get to the the things that our parents said to us that actually didn't matter. this was your thing. How did you
joel: So
Mango: how did this come about?
joel: so I was laying in bed the other night and Charlie Charlie is a 13 year old girl and she pushes every button that I have in my entire mind and it drives me nuts. Well the bathroom, the kids bathroom is right next to Wesley's room and she was showering and I was trying to get Wesley to go to sleep and I'm laying there and the shower is just running. And running and running and running. And it annoyed me that she was in there that long just to be in there that long, right? Because it listen, I get it. A hot shower is very nice, and you want to stay in there for a while.
Mango: Sure.
joel: We have a hot tub for that. Just go get in a hot tub. Okay. you don't have to you do have to, but you take a quick shower.
Mango: Then you gotta take a shower again after the hot tub.
joel: But so I got to laying in bed thinking I should go in there and yell at her and say, You're taking such a long shower, you're gonna waste water and you're gonna raise my water bill. And I started laughing
Mango: Ha ha ha
joel: because my water bill lasts my your water bill is three months at a time, right? Yeah, your water bill is three
Mango: I d I don't know. I got a well.
joel: your okay. So water bill is three months at a time, and I think my water bill was like a hundred and thirty dollars for three months. Okay.
Mango: Hundred and thirty. I guess
joel: Yeah.
Mango: that's not bad. I don't know. When I used to live in the city it was every month I get a bill, but
joel: No you you no you didn't.
Mango: Every month. And then it
joel: In Troy?
Mango: mm-hmm, 'cause if you didn't pay it on the third month, I think they come and shut shut you off. And again, as a bachelor, this would happen often because I'd freak to go pay it.
joel: 'Cause you did I don't know why you would be I don't know why yours was like that because in Troy when we lived in Troy, it was every three months.
Mango: No, mine was every week or
joel: That's
Mango: every month.
joel: that's weird. But anyway, so ours is every three months, but it's $130. So it's you know, forty doll forty-five dollars a month. So even if she did take that shower for three months, my bill would have still only been like 260 bucks. You know what mean? It wouldn't have been it there was no such thing as it wasting water. It's still, you know, it's going back into the plant and they're retreating it anyway. So it's
Mango: Right.
joel: you know, it's whatever. But it's All the crap that we say to our kids just to get them to like or just they ask for something and we just make up bullshit excuses, right? So I have I have a couple ones. So like your your kids come to you and they want to have a sleepover, right? And you tell them, no, it's not a good it's not a good night for that. We just we have so much stuff that we have to do tomorrow. We have to be here at like one o'clock. Or we have to do this, or we just you you just make up the dumbest excuse so that you don't have to have nineteen kids in your house because you just don't want to deal with any kids at night, right? I always thought that one was funny.
Mango: Sure. My my mom never used that one.
joel: Never use the tonight's not a good night for it.
Mango: No, but I was also an only child, so
joel: You are you're a spoiled brat. It's probably why you f argue like you argue. Okay. So so another one that kinda makes me laugh is and Sarah is really good at this and I don't I think Sarah thinks it's true, but so you know how when you're driving at night and someone turns on the overhead light and you say, You gotta turn it off because
Mango: yeah. They say it's illegal.
joel: it's illegal. You gotta turn that off 'cause it it's not illegal. You're just annoying the shit out of me, right?
Mango: Rah.
joel: You usually making me you're just going, seriously, it's not or like you're out and everybody's hungry and you go, We don't have the budget. We have food at home. And you're like, realistically, I just don't wanna go through a drive-thru or get out of the car and sit in a restaurant or wait on food. I just wanna go home. So I don't
Mango: I think most people would rather go through the drive through there 'cause they don't want to cook.
joel: that's yeah, it's possible you I that's an older ec older thing of we're not eating out 'cause we don't have the money. Bullshit. You have
Mango: Yeah.
joel: you had money to buy me seventy five squishy toys, but do you you don't wanna go out to eat?
Mango: Like the quit running in and out. We're not trying to heat the outside.
joel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mango: one. I like the I think we talked about earlier you didn't like it. I liked it. Don't pick your nose 'cause it's gonna make your nose bigger.
joel: wait yeah, but that's like saying, what's the if you keep if you if you if you yeah, parents lie all the time.
Mango: This is a parents lying to you.
joel: if you keep if you keep looking at me like that, your face is gonna get stuck. Yeah, you keep making yeah,
Mango: you keep making faces is you're gonna get stuck like that.
joel: your face is gonna get stuck like that. and then yeah, the heating the outside, turning the lights on and off, like You're wasting
Mango: Yeah.
joel: electricity. You're not wasting electricity. I just don't want the l damn lights on. Turn off.
Mango: Or that well, back in the day the light would just blow because of the energy going not now, because of the LED lights, but
joel: Yeah, yeah, but okay. Let's get no bullshit. Let's talk about that. Because LEDs, when you buy what's it say on the box about the bulb? How long is the bulb gonna last?
Mango: I don't know.
joel: They say fifteen years. This bulb will last fifteen years. Dude, they blow all the time. They I change those lights just as much as I hell yeah, all the time.
Mango: I don't think I've changed my lights in years.
joel: I ch I change lights all the time. look, there's one out right now.
Mango: What do you are you going to the dollar store or Dollar Tree to get
joel: No, d
Mango: these?
joel: no man, I'm bomb Costco.
Mango: Wow. Costco's probably get from the Dollar Tree. I don't know.
joel: Probably. No, but even if you get the even if you get the ones from Lowe's, they you they still I have lights blow all the time. And
Mango: Crazy.
joel: have you seen the new lights that have the switch where you can change the wattage on them?
Mango: well I d I don't know. I I have a dimmer switch in my wait, wait, wait. no. Okay.
joel: No, no, no. The bulb it the bulb itself has a switch on it now, so you can put it at 3,000 looms or 50,000 looms, right? And it and and a bunch in between. So you can adjust the light, right?
Mango: Yeah.
joel: So now when you put one of those on and it starts going out, it turns into a strobe light. It's having a stroke. It just
Mango: wait, I so my smart lights are like that when they're connecting. Fucking just flashes.
joel: They just s stroke out.
Mango: Cause it's trying to connect. And
joel: Yeah.
Mango: then when it finally connects, then you can turn it up and do whatever. I don't know.
joel: I don't know. I don't I just I thought it was funny about I w I was laying in bed and thinking about it and I'm like, man, parents really do just lie to their kids as much as possible for shit that they don't want to do.
Mango: It's pretty much.
joel: can we go to the park today, Dad? no, no, we yeah, I g I gotta s I gotta finish this. So But I don't know, I don't
Mango: I gotta finish this. What's this? This is this stuff I'm working on. It's too complicated for you.
joel: you're because Molly's so young, I guess you haven't really experienced this yet, but it's like I get very bored when I go to the playground or something with the kids 'cause it's not it's not like it used to be when you were a kid and you could just swing all day. you just swing and you go, Yeah, I don't this is I'm done with it. I don't wanna swing anymore Or Dad, come
Mango: dude, I like it.
joel: don't climb yeah, at the moment, but I don't know. I just gets
Mango: Now dude, that's just fun to me. when we go so when we go, I usually do my hike first and then on our way back to the car, 'cause there's like seven parks that we pass, we
joel: Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: hit like two or three of and then I put her in a swing and then I swing next to her. Dude, I like I can chill on a swing all day, dude. It's not a big deal.
joel: No, that's what I'm saying is at her age, I w when me and the kids would go, yeah, I could swing all day because you're you're like swinging. But now, like when they wanna like get up and go over here and go do this, and I'm like, Man, I just I don't want to go do any of that. I don't
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: that's not what I wanna do. Like so Wesley and I went over to the skate park with our bikes earlier in the summer and it was frustrating because I could be there all day, right? But he's just not interested in it. Like he likes
Mango: And you're like poser
joel: Yeah. A poser. He j he likes riding his bike, but he doesn't like doing the jumps or anything. And I'm like I could tell he was getting bored, so I got like I got all like down in the dumps. I'm like, God dang it, now we gotta go home and I actually wanna be out. So I was doing
Mango: did you show like was there anybody else there?
joel: w yeah, there was a few people there was a couple skateboarders and
Mango: Yeah, but on their buying bikes. Cause know, you you gotta
joel: No, there wasn't.
Mango: see somebody doing something cool and you're like, whoa And then you wanna like try and figure out how to do that.
joel: Well, that was that was the thing is like we went over to the indoor park one time, about a month ago or so and there was people in there, but I was also doing stuff. I was like trying to teach him how to do tire taps and I was doing three sixties and stuff and they he just wasn't interested. He just didn't care.
Mango: I think there's all there's I don't know. I think there's also a thing of like you see somebody else, not my dad doing it necessarily, maybe, but
joel: Yeah.
Mango: you see I don't know, maybe a thirteen year old doing something sweet on the bike
joel: Yeah, maybe someone around your age would
Mango: And then you're like, Whoa, that's cool. And then they s then, they start trying to figure out how to do that. And then now you're doing it with them and you're showing them the basics. And then he's like, Whoa, dad, you can do that and you're like, Yeah.
joel: That's what that I we were going down the street and I bunny hopped the sewer and he's like, What? You can do that? And I'm like, Yeah, yeah.
Mango: Yeah.
joel: And then and then I pulled a three sixty and he's like, What was that? And I'm like, Okay, cool. We're gonna be in but then he wa I was like, Well just try something, like jump the curb. And he's like, No, I'm not nah I'm good.
Mango: So he's afraid.
joel: yeah, kinda a little afraid, but he just he wouldn't even ride up on it. he just wouldn't adventure. But then it's like I tried to get him to go. I'm like, hey, you want to go ride our bikes? And he'll ride around the block. And I'm like, what do you want to go do? And he's like, it's just, we can just ride around the block. And I'm like, this is not riding your bicycle.
Mango: He's I don't know. There there might be just the fear factor there just being scared to.
joel: Yeah, maybe we'll see. he's Wesley is Wesley is very smart, so I think Wesley's gonna be a I think he's gonna be a very smart kid in the what he does.
Mango: risk assessment. He's gonna be a insurance guy who's
joel: No. He I think he's gonna be a freaking engineer. Yeah.
Mango: It's still risk assessment.
joel: He's really into planes right now. so we'll see how that goes, but
Mango: Yeah. There's gonna be many phases before
joel: I th yeah, there's gonna I know, I j was it I was just explaining this to Charlie. I was trying to explain to Charlie like she's in charge of her own life to an extent, you know. I can still say no, but like if she doesn't make a decision, it's her fault. I was trying to explain that to her and like you're gonna choose to do this and choose to do that all the time. So a and we talked about it. We got a whole nother life to live. How much time do they
Mango: Yeah, yeah.
joel: have? What how much time do they have? They have so much time in the whole world to do things.
Mango: They all probably have three lives to live.
joel: At the moment, yeah. They could do three
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: they could have three different careers easily.
Mango: Well no, I'm saying, you know, there'll be forty five No, they'll get the fifty and then they'll have another fifty years because of technology and everything that's
joel: You think you think technology o you think by the time our kids are in their thirties, technology will advance enough that the average lifespan would go from seventy what's it at? Seventy four right now?
Mango: It's something like that.
joel: Yeah, I think it's seventy four for men and seventy seven for women. You think it'll expand to over a hundred?
Mango: Yeah. There was there was a I don't remember who the scientist was, but it was Neil deGrasse Tyson quoted the
joel: It was, yeah.
Mango: scientist who talked about how the first person who will probably live forever has already been born.
joel: I don't believe that.
Mango: Why you can just we're we're literally able to turn cells off.
joel: We can what?
Mango: We can turn cells off and off.
joel: Do you mean?
Mango: So I take like hair growth, right? You could turn a cell
joel: I knew you were gonna use hair growth. I just saw the video on this. Yes. You can change the receptors on it to make like yeah.
Mango: Yeah, so you can take the aging cells and say, Hey, let's reverse this. Or let's slow
joel: Yeah, but when
Mango: it down or let's speed it up or whatever you want to do.
joel: Yeah, but there's still gotta be a lifespan on it, right? So, like me as a human being, by the time you live forever, are you you anymore? Or do you just have new parts? Right? Because your heart your
Mango: No. It would be
joel: heart is designed not to last forever. So you'll have to get a new heart, right? And then you're
Mango: There's that thing, right? No, you you can literally it's already happening that you can go get a replica of your heart, your say it's your heart, it's your DNA, it's your blood, it's all you. You're just replacing it. That's that whole reason of so mad. When Molly was born
joel: I haven't heard anything about this. I d yeah, the stem cell you didn't do the umbilical cord.
Mango: So they take it from the umbilical cord and then they freeze it and then later on when she's an adult or whatever, she needs a kidney or something. She has it right there. Then you don't you need no drugs, you need nothing.
joel: Yeah, but isn't it super expensive to do that?
Mango: No. No, you wait what part?
joel: So i they have to store it. You have to pay for it to be stored.
Mango: It's like a hundred dollars a year. Yeah.
joel: really? I thought it was way more than that.
Mango: I'm sure it it probably fluctuates but somewhere around there, yeah.
joel: Yeah, you'd be stupid not to do that. Why didn't you do that? really? I heard about it a long time ago.
Mango: That's why I was so mad. I was like, Why didn't nobody tell me about this? Nobody fucking told me. Dude, I was so mad. I was like, I would have signed up for that immediately.
joel: Yeah. I mean, stem I understand that the science, like stem cells and peptides and everything are really coming along. But and I guess the argument is, and this was a Neil deGrasse Tyson thing too. He was explaining that in the last seventy years we have two times Two X'd our lifespan only because of science. Huh? Yeah. Because ten thousand years ago
Mango: Well yeah. Yeah.
joel: ten thousand years ago from the or whenever the first, Neanderthals were discovered, their lifespan was twenty years, right? And even all the way into like nineteen twenty, the average lifespan was only like thirty-five or something like that.
Mango: This is definitely older than that.
joel: No, it wasn't it wasn't high.
Mango: no, I'm not saying it was high. I sure it was over thirty. Sure. Let's just go with that.
joel: Yeah, maybe maybe fifty, but it wasn't it w yeah, it wasn't a lot. And then in the nineteen seventies it jumped up to seventy years old. So it's like,
Mango: Vaccines.
joel: yeah, within a hundred years we science has changed our lifespan two times. So you think in the next 20 years they'll change it let's just say two more times. That's going to that's going to two hundred years old, right?
Mango: Well, you're you're actually you're actually doing more than two times because you're exponentially quadrupling every time. It's just like the processors and stuff and computers, they more than double almost every couple years. And then you take what science normally does, and then you compare that with the AI that will help and assist to move it along even faster.
joel: I don't know. I that's you're getting you're getting at Chris level technology right here. Okay. You're g you're getting at futuristic
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: stuff that I just I could see it would be awesome. I I hope that we get to technology that gives me I'd love to live a a hundred years. I'd love to live a hundred
Mango: But there's also
joel: years from now.
Mango: there's a jellyfish that basically lives forever. Once it gets so old, it changes its like whatever and then it starts getting young again. And then it keeps doing it. Yeah. Virtually
joel: N yeah. Yeah, it never dies. Yeah. It reverses and then it goes back up. Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: the only way it dies is if it gets eaten or something happens to it.
joel: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. it would be I would if the science has proven I would do it, I'd live another hundred years and then assess and see. I love living.
Mango: Make me a vampire, dude.
joel: That's what I say. I I totally like if vampires were a real thing, I I would find one out and go, I I wanna be a vampire because
Mango: It sucks not seeing sunlight again unless I'm behind something, but what's the payoff?
joel: Well, but that's that's a fairy tale. Maybe in the maybe they do figure it out, but
Mango: Dude, I'll go wake boarding at night. What's gonna happen to me?
joel: yeah. right. Yeah, I completely agree.
Mango: All right. What what is something dads need to learn about?
joel: Ooh, well I okay, so this is not I don't know if it's something that they need to learn. It is something that I learned that I know a lot of dads don't do it. And it's a very useful skill, especially if you have it even if you have daughters. No, I've never learned that. It's never gonna happen. So so
Mango: I'm gonna shut up. Nah. Just get it. Did you even try, dude?
joel: there is a group on TikTok called the Secret Dad's Life. And they host a thing called Pints and Ponytails. Okay.
Mango: What is what's this called? Secret what?
joel: The secret dad sorry. I think it's called the Secret Life of Dads.
Mango: did Zach and Cody make it?
joel: No. Yes. They're The Secret Life of Dads. I don't know who it is. They're a TikTok group on TikTok. But anyway, they host this thing called Pints and Ponytails. And basically you go in and you learn how to do your daughter's hair. So I think this is gonna come in handy for you. I don't know, have you ever tried to do anything with her hair yet?
Mango: I put in like a ponytail and stuff.
joel: Yeah. Right? And brushing it and then the what
Mango: But I I can braid, so
joel: so can I. that was the other thing. That was the reason that I was bringing it up is like how many dads out there do you think you n think can do a ponytail or have come up with conventional ways to do it? So the the one that I saw that's the best is you put a hair look at that, I have a hair tie. Put a hair tie on a vacuum and then you
Mango: yeah.
joel: vacuum her hair and then you put her hair in a ponytail. Is it so
Mango: Very clever.
joel: Very clever. And then learning how to braid. I think, being a dad, I think it's something you should do. So then you already know how to do that. So that's perfect.
Mango: Yeah. I can French bread too. It's been a while but
joel: I can't I French braid always it was too tedious for me and I couldn't
Mango: Ha ha ha ha.
joel: do it. And then the other thing, the the worst nightmare of it all is brushing the hair. yeah, you can grab her hair and you can put it in a ponytail real quick, but when you have to brush their hair in the morning, if you don't learn how to brush a girl's hair, you are screwed. You're talking about eternal fights with your daughter.
Mango: I just got done brushing Molly's hair before I got on here.
joel: Yeah, there you go. that's right, because she's at home this week.
Mango: Well that's right. Yep.
joel: no, I just thought it would be a cool skill and a cool thing to talk about for dads because even if you're not a single dad, you're gonna need to know how to do it.
Mango: Yeah. I don't hmm I don't know if that's gonna be the hardest part about girls, but sure. Yeah.
joel: No, I did it's definitely not the hardest part. It's not the hard listen, the hardest part, the hardest part is a 13-year-old girl upstairs who you remember how we were talking about last episode about what's the number one cause of child abuse in the home? It's a 13 year old daughter, okay? That
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: is because you know what? I want to have a good relationship with my with her. I want to have a good relationship with all my kids. And I try to go in and I try to calmly talk to her about situations. Cause she's a girl, she has her situations with her friends and yada yada. And I try to dad the conversation up and it is straight up, dad, you don't know you're never listening. You don't know what you're talking about. Get out. And I'm like, dude, I was seriously just trying to talk to you and just, help. You you can't help. You have there is no helping. I can't wait until she I can't wait until Molly.
Mango: G getting out is helping.
joel: straight up mangoes you. It is gonna be the best day ever. To where you're tr
Mango: Dude, it's gonna be fun.
joel: you're trying to yeah, because you two it's gonna be a it's gonna
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: be the calmest argument about so then what really happens? So then what's the result? And it'll just be back and forth of the same shit over and over.
Mango: Yeah, Trisha's gonna hit it.
joel: yeah, a hundred percent she is. I don't know, do you think Molly's gonna have the do you think she's gonna have your mentality? Ca can you tell at the moment?
Mango: No, she's like man, when she's around other kids her size, sh she doesn't really want anything to do with them. It's kind of like whatever I'm gonna go over here. Like but people in general, like she's cool with. She'll like look and watch and everything. But
joel: Yeah.
Mango: for some reason comes to playing with like another kid.
joel: Well but she spends a lot of time around adults though, doesn't she?
Mango: Yeah.
joel: Yeah.
Mango: she's around kids too, but all the kids are five, seven, ten, thirteen.
joel: that's a good mix. 'cause my kids did the same thing. My kids were at a babysitter for all the way until they started school. Hell even for a little bit after
Mango: Yeah, but your
joel: school.
Mango: other than Charlie, your kids always had other kids in the house.
joel: yes. Yeah yeah yeah that does that does Yeah.
Mango: So there's a you're you're playing with there's a kid to play with all the time.
joel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all Molly has is you.
Mango: Yeah, which I play, but I get on the floor. We go have
joel: You do
Mango: fun.
joel: you do get I it's I wanna know like n not I wanna know. I'm kinda trying to think of at what age will she start doing shit where you're like, no, I'm not gonna do it.
Mango: like what? What wouldn't I do? Why wouldn't I go do it?
joel: so like, okay, so I have trouble with Wesley and playing basketball because I don't know where he got this from, but he is very confident and very cocky. I don't know where it comes from.
Mango: Sure. That's wow.
joel: and so we'll go outside and we'll play basketball. And I only play for a little bit. We only
Mango: Beeball dude. It's be ball.
joel: play for a little bit because I'll, you know, use It's not competitive for me. So I'm a competitive person. So it's like I can't I could dribble this ball all day and you never get it. And you would get mad and we would get bored and then we no go never go play basketball. So I can only play for a little bit, shoot it, and then I go, Okay, buddy, you're you're on your own. I I don't want to play anymore. So I think you're gonna like it's like at what age does Molly start doing stuff to where you're like, Yeah, no, I don't wanna I don't wanna do this anymore. And you just
Mango: Well see, I wouldn't be that way. It would be more of like I would do that for a while. in your situation, I'd be like, Can't touch me. Mm-mm, can't touch me. Mm-mm. But then No, I know. But then
joel: You you would only do it for a little bit though, trust me, because that's exactly what I did. Yeah.
Mango: I would, tame it way down. I'd like trip and be like, man, dude, you got me. Whoa. you're doing great, dude. I can't believe you got me. Like I
joel: yeah, no, I'm not I'm not gonna give them false hope at winning things because people give up. I'm not doing that.
Mango: it's more of like a You would I I guess the way I would equate it
joel: I know you're training.
Mango: is like this. It's like it w it would be like if we're me and Molly were out snowboarding and I she's like, You never fall. I'm like, I know, right? But then three runs later I'd go do something that I'd know I can do, but then I'd just fall. And then she'd she'd question it. She'd be like, You're just making me feel better or did you actually fall? I'm like, I actually fall, you saw me fall.
joel: Right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mango: But it's always right there of like
joel: I would I get that situation, but I
Mango: No, you did it for me, but but then that's fun because then we both laugh and then it's a thing of like we all
joel: Yeah. But I also see I also see you only doing things that you wanna do, but making Molly do them so that you can do them.
Mango: No, I mean I'll make anything
joel: Like snowboarding.
Mango: I'll make anything.
joel: No, that's good. because my my thought process is like I want to I wanna competitively play and like make you better so that we can actually play it, but I don't want I don't wanna try to dumb it down and then me fall on the ground. 'Cause who knows I might not get up. I might not be able to get up from a false trip. Okay.
Mango: don't get me wrong, if it comes to horses, it's like I don't know how I could make that fun because it's a single person s sport. Like I can't I'm not on the horse. I'm not riding a horse beside you. I'm not I'm not in the ring with you.
joel: Sure. Yeah, but you can still make that an active activity. Do are you guys gonna try to do you think Trisha will try to swing that way of like you guys owning a horse and her being at the horse farm and do you do you? No,
Mango: Yeah. Yeah.
joel: I d I yeah.
Mango: Trish already has a couple of horses. So yeah.
joel: I guess I didn't I guess I never really thought about her owning horses.
Mango: Yeah, she owns horses. Yeah. So yeah, I mean
joel: Okay. Well you know, cause every time we get together, Trish talks so much that I you just it's hard to keep a it's hard to keep track of. Yeah.
Mango: I know, you're like, shut up.
joel: You think I talk too much, you should guys should meet Trish. It's just unbelievable. I'm
Mango: Yeah, so there's things like that of basketball. I'm I'm not into the basketball. I don't I don't care about basketball. So if she wanted to play basketball, I can go make that fun. I can make that fun. I'm there.
joel: yeah.
Mango: I'm i I'm interacting with the sport. physically interacting. I'm not just sitting on some sideline being like, Yeah, go.
joel: no, trust me, I hate sitting I hate watching me and one of the other dads, I texted him and he's like, Aren't you so excited we get to go through this shit again this year? And I went, Yes. Yes I am. 'Cause you sit there
Mango: And then you're gonna be like, I have the ability to not be here for this one, but
joel: Not gonna skip out on my kid's stuff, Mango. I need
Mango: Just go get some milk or cigarettes or something, man. He'll be back.
joel: what I need that shirt that says, I'm just a dad who always come home with the milk.
Mango: Ha ha ha. But now it's it'll be oops.
joel: Riley hasn't asked me that in a long time. Riley used to ask me that every time. She said, Dad, are you gonna go get the milk and come home?
Mango: It's gonna be a sad moment when she never does it again. You don't ask me if I'm ever coming back.
joel: They don't. They they I fought with her the other day. I fought with her the other day because I have been taking her to Tumble on Tuesdays because it's a longer drive and Cheryl doesn't want to drive it. Right.
Mango: Yeah. Do you guys tumble your way there?
joel: Yeah. it's all flippity, floppity
Mango: Sorry.
joel: all the way. so the other day I I'm working on a bathroom and I needed to, I'm I'm out of town working, and I'm like, man, it's gonna be hard for me to get back. And Sarah goes, Riley asked my mom if she would take her to Tumble. And I went, What? What did you do? Like why did you why did you ask why am I not good enough to take you to Tumble anymore? So when I came home, I went to Riley and I went, so you don't want me to go to Tumble anymore? Like you don't want me to take you at all? Like what's the deal with that? Am I not good enough to take you to Tumble anymore? Like are you all grown up? Like what's going on? And she's like, No, just, Nene hasn't taken me in a while, so I just said she could take me and I went, okay. I see how it is. It's all grown up. Don't want anything to do with dad anymore. I'm
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: I'm gonna hundred percent guilt trip my kids.
Mango: So did you not go? Did you not go to that one?
joel: To tumble the other night? No, I was working. How many times do you think you can bring this up in the episode again? About fifty-five more? Yeah, bailing.
Mango: It's really weird, huh? Feel like you were bailing on your kid then. It's weird.
joel: I always bailing. I just pick my I pick the things I want to bail on. Realistically, I'm just making shit up. I don't have anything going on. I just don't want to go with you. I don't want to spend face to face quality time with you. I like our time on a video chat, but I don't wanna
Mango: Yeah, sure, sure.
joel: say The guilt trip.
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: Sarah and I were talking about this in the r car ride last night going to get food. We can't wait till the kids get grown up so that we can go to each one of their houses and do the exact same thing that bothers us that they do in our house. So so
Mango: what what would you do? Not throw shit away?
joel: I I told I told Charlie, I said, I can't wait till you get your first apartment. I'm gonna come over and open all of the cabinets. I'm gonna leave the doors open. I'm gonna pull
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: the cereal out. I'm gonna make everything. I'm gonna I'm gonna half eat the cereal. I'm gonna leave it on the counter. I'm gonna go sit down. I'm gonna just sit there. And then when you say dad, why didn't you put this away? I'm gonna go, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm coming back to it. I'm gonna get it. I'll get it here in a minute.
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: And then I'm gonna leave and not put it away.
Mango: What are you gonna break though? You gotta break something.
joel: That's what yeah I did I said yeah. I said w I told him I was gonna leave I was gonna take all the toothpaste lids off the toothpaste and just spray toothpaste all in the sink. Just everywhere.
Mango: Yeah.
joel: you know, realistically, my kids are good about not breaking things. We don't really have a lot of broken things. We just have a lot of not put away things.
Mango: I thought you're just gonna say things that don't work.
joel: yeah, we just have a lot of things that don't work though. We don't if it's cheap, it breaks, but those are usually just small toys. But no, my kids are usually pretty good about broken not broken things.
Mango: So you bail in on tumble you or whatever. I'm sure is it tumble is that called Tumble You? Or am I just making shit up?
joel: Let's tumble you.
Mango: I thought that was the organization or something. Maybe it's from a movie. I don't know why Tumble
joel: For for w I don't know what Tumble U is either. So Riley goes to a cheerleading gym for Tumble class, but then she does gymnastics at the Y. We do not go to Tumble U. I think Tumble U's on Netflix. I think it's a thing on Netflix. I think so. Yeah, I think it's
Mango: Is that what it is? I must have read it somewhere. I don't know. For some reason it's in my head.
joel: I think it's on a yeah, I think it's on Netflix. Anyway.
Mango: Alright. Anyways, so when it comes to like kids' sports, they're expensive as hell. We've talked about how expensive they are. And there's this thing I was thinking about of like short term and long term financial stuff, just because I was talking about financial stuff today and what happens? Well, I'll just ask you. You're in a you would be the hypothetical situation is
joel: Girls, I was thinking of girls at thirteen. Sorry. Go ahead.
Mango: What I don't
joel: You were asking me a question and you were putting me
Mango: No
joel: on the spot. And I was just telling you what I was thinking about as a teenager.
Mango: Okay, so I was like I don't wanna know why you're thinking of girls at thirteen. That's weird, dude.
joel: Shit. Okay, go ahead. Anyway.
Mango: so your kid wants to do, say, football, right? I wanna play
joel: Okay. Okay.
Mango: football, I wanna play football. it doesn't matter what grade they're in, it's all expensive. Yeah. I I'm I'm guessing fifth grade and up gets pretty expensive. I'm guessing under fifth grade is you're just staying local, but
joel: No. No. B ours goes to sixth Pee Wee goes to sixth grade and it's all like it's like five hundred or more dollars plus fundraisers
Mango: Yeah. Okay. So
joel: and everything, yeah.
Mango: So yeah, okay. So football's expensive say they're in seventh grade, eighth grade, where it's like exponentially a lot more.
joel: In the s it's school, yeah.
Mango: Yep. And you just can't afford it. Because it's either this, it's either you do that and you you're you're either you're going to create debt somewhere.
joel: Okay.
Mango: Either you go into debt doing that or You just pay for it without debt, but then debt's gonna come somewhere else 'cause that money's gone. And you don't have enough either way. So you spend all these years paying for school, or not school, but the school sports. And you're doing the travel stuff because they have to travel, you have to pay for that, you gotta have food on the road, all this stuff very expensive. Or do you think long term of like And again, th this is just a factor and the many things here, but these are things that people have to think about. You're you're going to create this financial debt over sports to you can always rationalize it and say, Well, it's building character, it's doing this or that. To me, you can build character without sports. Like
joel: Okay.
Mango: you have school that you have to go to, you have friends, you I don't know, maybe you go to church or something. There's all these other outside things that don't cost thousands of dollars a year to do that build character, that build who you are. Hmm. So you do these things and then you're like, I can't afford it, can't afford it, but we're gonna find the money somewhere. Usually that money becomes debt. Debt usually will keep traveling. So, okay, they're twenty years old now. they've been out of school for two, three years. There's a lot of debt there for all those years, over five years of a sport, thousands
joel: Right.
Mango: and thousands of dollars. Plus all your regular life stuff, right? 'Cause
joel: Right.
Mango: you're you're you're you're pulling from somewhere to pay for something else and you're just getting to a hole. And then that creates this long term debt thing. And then when you're gone, who's gonna get that debt? Obviously you don't take on the debt, don't sign the papers, but you're leaving nothing behind. Because of these little things that add up, like sports. But you're like, but my kid has to have it. Not really. If you can't afford it, that's a bad financial decision to do. So then you're leaving your kid nothing later on, but it builds character.
joel: Yes. But it builds character.
Mango: So it's like then there's not even just that. It's like then when your kid gets older. You're gonna put them in a position that now they have to take care of you. And that's not necessarily fair. I know, right?
joel: Damn right, I just let play all these sports. They should
Mango: So then now they're pulling money out because they're trying to figure out how to take care of you in your later years. Because you were doing so much for them, doing everything you possibly could, which is really just falling into debt. And then now you have this going on. So sure, the short term kid's super happy. You got to do what you want, you got to play the football all the way up to whenever. And again, that's just a minor thing, but still that's thousands and thousands of dollars. When,
joel: Sure.
Mango: on the other hand, if you want to play football, you don't have to do it through the school. There are so many other options that are way cheaper that I've looked up.
joel: football's probably the worst sport for you to choose for that 'cause there's really not private clubs for football. But if you were to say hockey, basketball, baseball, a lot of other things, then yeah, there's different avenues than not doing it through the school. But football is primarily a like school program.
Mango: Well, again, as I was looking it up 'cause I was like, are there alternatives for football? And there are. There's stuff like for around us, there's stuff like the I don't know necessarily this place does it, but s something like a Lincoln Center. There are places like that that have their teams that
joel: Maybe. Yeah.
Mango: are community that you go play. And you would play these other teams, but it's way
joel: Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: che like I mean a fraction of Cost.
joel: I'm sure. So that we we face this, this is an all in one problem with baseball. So the fact that all of these parents start doing travel ball with baseball because it gives their best their kid the best opportunity at the shot to play baseball. Well, number one, there's more baseball is probably the hardest professional sport to get into because there are thousands and thousands of people Who go through the farm league system and the independent baseball league system and the adult league baseball system and the you know, there's so many people in the baseball system that the likelihood of them becoming a professional is astronomical, right? So you put all this money into baseball, you know, you're trying finding the way you're wasting the money, you're you're not going on vacation because you have to pay for baseball and you're justifying it that way, right? You're going, We couldn't go on b on vacation because we had to pay for baseball. No, dude, you could have just said screw baseball and went on vacation. What's gonna what are they gonna remember more later on the line? Because realistically they're not gonna be a professional athlete, right? So why are we s
Mango: It's funny.
joel: why are we going into debt to to do this because we think he's, has the best opportunity. Well
Mango: Yeah, just a a side note there, because I I just recently heard it like a few weeks ago. I don't know why was listening to something about baseball, but there have just for perspective of this, there have only ever been twenty two thousand eight hundred and forty-nine major
joel: Correct.
Mango: league baseball players since the start of the National League in eighteen seventy six. That's it.
joel: that have that have played in a major league baseball game. So if you're in the farm if
Mango: Yep, that's how many players there have been?
joel: if you're in the farm system, you're considered a major league baseball player, but you've never played in a major league game. So that that but the stat is twenty two thousand people have only ever played in a major league baseball game. That doesn't even fill a major league baseball stadium in the history
Mango: No, no, but that's
joel: of baseball.
Mango: but what you're yeah, that's that was that was the whole point. But no, these are what you said, they're considered that. That is the major league baseball players. That is the players. Everyone who's
joel: Yeah, the players who have
Mango: ever been considered a major league baseball player since the n eighteen seventy
joel: No, not no. Not cons there's
Mango: six.
joel: there's twenty two thousand baseball players in the major league system right now. It's major league players who have played in a major league game. Because technically you're not a major league player. You're just a minor league player if you play if you don't make it to the major league game. But your stat is still yes. There's only been twenty-two thousand major league baseball players. Not even enough to fill one of the stadiums that they play in in the history. Right.
Mango: Right. Yeah, that w that's what they were talking about was that it doesn't even fill a stadium.
joel: In the history of baseball. So the thought process that you thinking spending all this money to give your kid this opportunity because they enjoy baseball is insane. And it ruins all the sports because now there's no one in the rec league. You don't there there's no camaraderie in the rec league. Everybody treats it like it's a travel league, but their parents don't want to pay for it. So it's, it's just rec league baseball. And then you get one team that has 10 kids on it that can play baseball. And all the other rec league teams are kids who have never even played, who just wanna try to play baseball. So it makes it no fun for any of them. And then it widespreads through all these sports through the same way. And you're and it's all because financially, hey, we're just gonna, Find a way for us our kid to to do I dude, it it's if your point was to make is it a good financial decision to try to make your kid play athlet athletics, no, it is not.
Mango: No, no, not it's not you trying to make your kid play. It's your kid comes to you and says, Hey, I want to do this. And that thing costs a lot of money. You don't have that kind of dough.
joel: Yeah.
Mango: And it's like, what do you do? Do you go into debt for it?
joel: Right.
Mango: Not usually a great way to go. And it sucks that you but there's alternatives of hey, you wanna try this sport? We can go try this sport, but we're not gonna do it this way, sorry.
joel: Right. we need to find a better way to do it so that we're like there's no reason to financially strap us for something that for just a memory of a lifetime that you lived a while ago.
Mango: Yeah. And then it's just gonna put you in it it's just gonna put you in the hole. And again, there's no reason for I've seen the prices of some of those sports or schools. It's there's no reason for it to be that much. There's
joel: Dude,
Mango: absolutely no reason.
joel: here this is I don't I d I don't understand it either. Sarah and I have this argument all the time because Sarah loves cheerleading, which is fine. I appreciate that she loves it. The problem that I have,
Mango: She had fear later?
joel: huh? Yeah, she was a cheerleader. the problem that I have with it is sideline cheer for rec league football. So the Pee Wee football league for a kid to play I think is two hundred and fifty or three hundred dollars, maybe even more. It might be four hundred and fifty dollars. Okay. For them to play football. The how much do you think it costs for the sideline cheerleader to be a sideline cheerleader who has practiced twice a week and shows up on the home games and that's it?
Mango: I I'm gonna say double that.
joel: It's it's the same amount. It's four hundred and fifty dollars. They don't get to keep their uniform. They get pom poms. And and when you go watch the practices, they're volunteer moms who just volunteered who were trying to relive being cheerleaders but can't organize it. Like it there's no there's no
Mango: Dude, that's the other thing. Volunteer coaches.
joel: there's no reason for well because they don't because if you were gonna pay coaches, you would have to you would have to up the entry fee by tenfold.
Mango: No, you would pay what you're paying now.
joel: No, no, because because okay. If you if you made all the cheerleaders, some some of the teams only have four or five girls, right? But then you tell the you tell the person who's gonna coach the team, hey, you get a thousand dollars for the season. Right? Because it you can't you can't
Mango: Well no, I I just assume it would be somebody who works for the school.
joel: no, it's not school affiliated.
Mango: your cheer's not.
joel: The the Pee Wee football's not either. Pee Wee football has nothing to do with the school. We're just it's just the fire they're just called firebirds because that's this, kettering firebirds. So it has nothing to do with the school. It's still a Pee Wee program. There's a board, there's an everything, right? So
Mango: okay. I got ya. Sure.
joel: the volunteer coaches, you can't afford because realistically, look at the high school. If you want to be do you know how much the golf coach gets paid for high school golf coach?
Mango: Why would I
joel: I I think it's fifteen hundred or two thousand dollars for the season. Would you volunte would you do that?
Mango: I'm sure there's gotta be a little bit more perks to that.
joel: Nope. There's no perks. And it's a trust me. I was
Mango: Wait, who who is he though?
joel: who is he? What do you mean?
Mango: is he a science teacher? Is he a so our track coaches were
joel: So if if a yes, if a teacher does it, they get priority. But if no teacher volunteers, then they hire out of the community. But if a teacher wants it, then that person gets fired because teacher gets priority, right? So yes, if a teacher is doing it, they get an extra two thousand dollars to do it, then that's you know, that's usually where they end up doing it. Because I was I was one person away
Mango: But what I'm saying is there's no reason
joel: from being hired. I was one interview away from being hired as the as the golf coach here and a teacher s said he wanted the job and they just said we have to give it to him
Mango: So yeah.
joel: and I went, okay. But the details of doing that was there was a whole lot of work to be done that was not worth
Mango: Sure.
joel: the pay.
Mango: But what I'm saying is again, you're saying the uniforms, right? Uniforms should not be that much money. They just shouldn't be. I mean most of the
joel: They're not. They're not. No, but that's the thing is in these in these sports, they have to get the latest greatest package and the dry fit and the Nike and the it's the it's the organization choosing it, going, We have to look good, we have to do this. first of all, maybe find coaches that can coach and aren't arrogant, dads who think they know football and just volunteer to coach, and then you lose every game. Because that's what happens.
Mango: Again, it doesn't matter how you look, it's a skill, talent.
joel: Yeah, right? I I agree. So I I the the youth youth program youth athletic programs that are in this country are just as bad as the education system. It's all screwed up. And
Mango: Keep throwing more money at it.
joel: you just take a there's a guy on there's a guy on TikTok who he always does these videos, and he'll do like this is nineteen seventy and our the baseball team The parents, this is what I need you to do. Nothing. The kids are gonna play baseball today. Then it goes to goes to nineteen yeah.
Mango: Pick up at five.
joel: Goes to nineteen ninety and it goes, Hey, we're gonna do this fundraiser just so that we can get new shirts. and and you gotta sell twenty bags of or you gotta sell ten pop bags of boxes of chocolate, ten bars of chocolate, right? That's your fundraiser. You gotta raise this much and that's all you gotta do. And then it gets to now and it's like, hey, we've signed ourselves up for a tournament in Puerto Rico. That's gonna be $2,000
Mango: Mm-hmm.
joel: for you guys to get to. And then since we're already in Puerto Rico, we're gonna take a cruise liner ship over to Cozumel, Mexico, because there's a tournament the next day that we can get into for $5,000 because they're gonna cut us a deal. And it's like, and everybody's like, yeah, let's do it.
Mango: And then we got nationals in Ohio, that's ten grand. It's nationals.
joel: Yeah, right? the financial the financial burden that we put ourselves in just doesn't make sense. It's stupid.
Mango: That's what I mean. I wouldn't I I wouldn't do it. Like even like if Molly was old enough, she's w fourteen and was like We I I need get this horse and it's twenty grand. No. No no. Sorry, no. But he need it. No. Not just No.
joel: Man, I think I think you're full of shit on this. I do I th I think you will figure it out. Because the type
Mango: Mm no.
joel: of dad that you are, you're gonna be like, all right. We'll we'll but I don't think I think you you're pretty financial you're pretty wise on your finances. I think you would figure it out without going into debt or making it a burden onto her in the long run.
Mango: But that's the thing. If there's not a pathway to do it, then it's a no. there
joel: yeah.
Mango: there's always I like we were just saying, there's a way to do the thing. And the then usually that way is debt.
joel: Usually, yes.
Mango: Yeah. So if there's not an actual way outside of debt, then it's just not doable.
joel: Man, I can't wait to ha I can't wait. I can't wait for 13 years from now when we have this conversation. And you
Mango: Ha ha.
joel: go, I'm buying a horse. And I go, Yeah, I know. Because there's no
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: way you're gonna tell there's no way that Molly's gonna come to you and ask for a horse. And knowing your background, Trisha's gonna go, Yeah, we're gonna figure it out. And you're gonna go, go, what, no, what? And then she's gonna go, Yeah, we're gonna figure it out. And you're gonna figure it out. And if not, they're just gonna leave you again. Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha
Mango: there's there's there like legitly the only w obviously thirteen years from now, whatever, if I was making exponentially more money, then there's a pathway to it, then yeah, of course. If it's feasible, yes. But if it's if
joel: Right. That's what I was.
Mango: if the decision is okay, we could do it, but would have to finance this much. But there's this much over here, and I sit here and say, Well, we could handle taking care of this over here and we can do it this way. And then realistically, no, no, I couldn't. On paper, sure, but then there's no cushioning. Because again,
joel: Sure.
Mango: most people will say, sure, we can financially do this. Okay. Technically, yeah, you can, but you're going to strain yourself if anything comes up. If something comes
joel: Yep. Yeah yeah.
Mango: up, you're You're done. You're screwed. And then
joel: I don't know. I I I get your side of it. I do see where you go, Hey, financially this is a stupid decision. But then when it comes to that parent decision, you go, fuck, I'll figure it out.
Mango: But there's that long term run of where I don't want her to be thirty, thirty eight years old trying to take care of me. Cause that is a
joel: I think that still happens anyway. And in thirty years you're gonna be somebody's gonna have to take care of you.
Mango: But I mean in the financial sense of
joel: Yeah, I get ya.
Mango: like, hey, I n I need you to do this. Dad, no, I ha I got this going on. Okay, I was sit over here without the help I need. Like
joel: Mm-hmm.
Mango: now. So what do you rather have the horse when you were thirteen or now you gotta deal with this forever and for the rest rest of my life?
joel: I'd rather have the horse when I was thir I'd rather have the horse when I was thirteen, Dad. Why not? Why can't we have the horse? But but what if
Mango: No. That's not how money works here in this house.
joel: it did but what if it did?
Mango: Yeah, what if the world's made of candies and nuts? The world would be made.
joel: Ha ha ha
Mango: If the world was made of ifs and buts, the world would be made of candies and nuts.
joel: Yes.
Mango: Yeah, so I I don't know. I I think there's a there's definitely a thing of parents being like, but I got to, it makes my kid happy. If they don't do that, they might end up on the streets or whatever excuse you have, it's an excuse.
joel: I don't know. I I don't I I w I'm totally at the point where I'm like screw it. I'll I I will give my kids anything. I like I don't care anymore.
Mango: But again, then the long term effect happens and then they could end up being screwed. And you
joel: Sure. They could. Yeah.
Mango: could screw them as an adult.
joel: Yeah. What did I just see? I just saw this guy. He was he said he said, You're making a big deal about my kids going to school. Hell my kids can no, this is what it was. He said, so you have to be a bad parent to have a famous child because if you don't If you if you don't love your kid, then it creates this great artist or this great person who resents you and just builds this awesome career, right? And he goes, Screw it. I love my kids. They I don't need them to build an awesome career. I'm gonna give them whatever they need. If you're gonna say they can are gonna fell out of school, fine, whatever. I love them. They're gonna, they're not gonna have daddy issues. They're gonna be perfectly fine. I'm I'm not worried about having to do this or do that for them because I love my kids. And he just kept going on this rant about how that that he he goes, you compare a world of kids not having great situations, but your unloved kid who built this huge business is gonna take care of my kid because he's gonna give him a job because and yet he still gets to come home to his loving dad at dinner.
Mango: Ha ha ha. Sure. then there's that there's that realistic point of what happens if I don't know something happens and they need you to they need you to sign off
joel: Not my problem, I'm gonna be dead.
Mango: on something and you're like no bank's giving me anything you need to go ask somebody else
joel: No no banks giving me I think I I think if you you know, our job is to always try to figure out how to make it to where I mean, realistically, having kids, you're you're never done. Even when they grow up, when they leave, whatever, you're still taking care of Yeah, you may get to a point
Mango: That's why I'm saying
joel: well, you may get to a point to where you need their help, but hopefully you made your financial decisions well enough to where it doesn't make a burden on them. A and they got to do
Mango: That's what I mean,
joel: and they got to do the sport. maybe.
Mango: Maybe. I'm not saying you can't. Some people can, some people can't. All I'm saying is, ooh,
joel: we got Echoey.
Mango: those are tough choices that people don't mm always necessarily they make the choice. They do make a choice, but they they
joel: They do make their choice.
Mango: don't think it out long term, I I I think.
joel: We're dude, we're such a we're such a society of instant gratification. Nobody thinks the long term like that. Nobody thinks if I take out this ten thousand dollar loan so that they can play baseball, that eventually they're gonna have to sacrifice something else. That's just it we're just instant gratification people that we just don't think about it that way.
Mango: True. Yeah. Whatever. And then that's what the that's people with credit cards, man. That's why the the the the people who travel for free all the time or buy shit for free off of Amazon all the time is because the people who don't pay their bill. Or they make the
joel: yeah.
Mango: the bare minimum payment and they never get out of it.
joel: Yeah.
Mango: And it's like, wait, that's how the other people get their free stuff.
joel: Hundred percent. But that's the other thing is it people like people with the instant gratification like I need, I need, I need, and then they can't afford it. Dude, I don't need new stuff. I can go buy the thing off of that person for fifty bucks 'cause they're in desperate need and it still works. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Mango: Yeah. Or any like I'm a I'm big on furniture, dude. I I have never had a loan for furniture, any kind of furniture. Like I I it's never made sense to me to be like, I'm gonna get this couch and I'm gonna make payments on a couch.
joel: So so we when we bought our house, we went and bought new furniture, but we got it so we had the money to pay for all of it, right? But they gave us the option to get the credit card at no interest to make payments. And we knew we could afford to make payments at no interest and not lose that giant amount of money while we're moving into our house. So we did do that. But that was a smart, you know what I mean? We thought about that.
Mango: Yeah, if you if you are good at that and you pay
joel: Yeah.
Mango: that off before that interest hits, sure. Like that yeah, okay. But
joel: Yeah, that's we've done that. We did that with that's what we did with the hot tub. When w so with and again, we sold our old house. We made a shit ton of money on it. We lived with my mother in law until we found our new house. We put our down payment on. We had a huge chunk of money. We wanted to we wanted to buy something for us. Sarah and I both had always wanted a hot tub. We went and looked at We had the cash. We could have gr paid right there. We could have paid for it.
Mango: Sure. I
joel: What they said.
Mango: would say a hot tub's a little different than a couch or mattress or whatever, but yeah.
joel: you'd be surprised because the furniture in the hot tub were damn near about the same, you know, it was the hot tub.
Mango: I guess
joel: But anyway, my point is, is we did the same thing is because they said, Hey, you're approved for a credit card at no interest, you have two years to pay it off, you know, yada yada yada, as long as you pay. And we went, Okay, well, we don't have to take that huge chunk of money. We'll just set it on automatic payments and we'll pay it and and it goes away. So we We have done I can't say that I haven't done loans on furniture or on things, but it's been I've made sure that they're smart financial decisions when we I just did it with my furnace. I did the same thing with my furnace.
Mango: That's that's slightly different in the sense of saying, I'm gonna we're gonna buy this five thousand dollar whatever couch and seat. And then
joel: Yeah.
Mango: you put it on a credit card you have. So then
joel: Yes. Yeah.
Mango: you already have the interest on it, and you're not gonna pay that off right away. 'Cause if you if you pay that off at the end of the month, okay,
joel: Great.
Mango: cool. Do it do that. Get those points. Do whatever, yeah, for sure.
joel: Right.
Mango: normally that's not what happens. It's they're like, well we'll stretch this out and it's like you that
joel: Not not ninety percent of the time. Yeah.
Mango: couch became like a eight thousand, nine thousand dollar couch. Like
joel: Probably more than that, yeah.
Mango: and then you d you get in that hole and it's like I don't know.
joel: Yeah, it's stupid.
Mango: Couch and lamps and like ba you know what I put it as like the rent center type of stuff. If you're making
joel: random
Mango: payments on furniture or like PlayStation or stuff like that.
joel: Yeah, yeah.
Mango: Don't. and I'm not saying rent a s I'm just saying even if you put it on a credit card or something and you're not paying that off extremely quickly and that shit rides
joel: What people do, man.
Mango: for a year
joel: Yeah.
Mango: You probably didn't need it that bad. Go find a couch. Go
joel: You probably didn't.
Mango: your friends probably got a couch that's pretty nice. And they upgraded.
joel: Fucking go to a pawn shop, man. You get that shit for nothing.
Mango: But I totally understand not like getting a couch or something off of the marketplace off a stranger. I dude, I understand that. Like don't don't do that.
joel: yeah, I do too. Yeah, I get ch I get I get it. I do get it. Yeah. Yeah.
Mango: But I don't know why. I don't know why like furniture is weird to me to be like I'm gonna make payments on a couch. I don't know why that's now again, not like your situation's different. That's a zero percent if you
joel: it makes perfect sense. It it makes perfect sense. Why would you go spend, a shit ton of money yeah.
Mango: Yeah, but to be like, I'm gonna put this on a card that has twenty five percent interest or whatever and then not pay it off for a year or whatever. I don't know. I I don't know. That's all I got. It's just weird to me. And maybe it's not weird to a lot of other people. Maybe it's like a normal thing. They're just like, yeah, getting a couch in love seats.
joel: No, I get I get it. If you can make like you've said it, you've said it more than once and enough times. If you can manage it, it's fine. But 90% of the time, it's not. People don't manage it.
Mango: Yeah. It was too bad 'cause their kids gotta go play football.
joel: 'Cause her kids gotta go put football's a bad football's a bad example. Football's really not the most expensive one. hockey, hockey trumps just about everything. Hockey is unbelievable.
Mango: I I that
joel: I have a buddy down here who he has twin boys who play on the same team and he spends twenty grand a year.
Mango: Yeah. We we have a buddy that has kids in it and they're like, yeah, we gotta pay to rent the rink and stuff and I'm like, What? Like what? That's not like in the cost of the sport. You kinda need the rink.
joel: Yep. Yeah. It's insane. And and the thing is, is you go you go as a supporter. Like we go and watch Wesley's the same age as as the two boys, and we go and watch them, and there are some kids on there that you go, you're you why are you forking out the money for you can barely skate? Why are you
Mango: Ha ha ha.
joel: you know what I mean? There are some kids on this team that you go, that's not You shouldn't be on that team.
Mango: Do that and hockey at the junior level, so what is that, twelve and under?
joel: I don't know. They all have they they all have their names and age and yada yada yada.
Mango: Yeah, I think it's twelve and under. It's so ridiculous. w I forget what the rule is, but it's like if if the puck crosses the line before a player does, it's a foul or something, and then it resets. Shit happens
joel: What resets?
Mango: like the face off. Yeah.
joel: Well that's a that's a rule in regular hockey. It's called offsides, but
Mango: Off sides, that's what it's. But no, no, it it's it's slightly different for Pee-Wee
joel: Yes.
Mango: or whatever, because it's I'm sure I'm like butchered it, but it was something like ever all the players are at one end, they sh hit the puck, the puck crosses the line, the center line, and then the player crosses its penalty, or it's vice versa. I don't remember which one. It happens every twenty seconds. And I'm like, this is a pointless.
joel: Right. The every Yeah. The modified the modified rules of underage sports is just stupid.
Mango: Dude, the hockey game was pointless. It was constantly offsides, offsides, offsides. What we're not even playing a game.
joel: Yeah. Yeah. Well soccer soccer soccer's the same way.
Mango: Soccer.
joel: Yeah. Wesley did it one year. Thank
Mango: I I like watching hockey.
joel: f I like watching hockey.
Mango: Yeah. I can watch hockey. That's not the pee wee hockey or whatever. That's
joel: Right.
Mango: that's ridiculous. Get that get that outta here. You're spending all that money for every twenty seconds being off sides.
joel: Plus realistically, all the
Mango: Soccer, I'm out.
joel: parents do all it's a par it's just a party for the parent. It's like a weekend vacation every other weekend. That the parents just tailgate and get hammered.
Mango: Good. They probably look at their bank account or another shot.
joel: Yeah. You mean the n non existent you mean they look at the zeros in their bank account?
Mango: Yeah, dude. It's so much money. But whatever.
joel: So much money.
Mango: I mean And again, I'm not knocking
joel: Two
Mango: anybody for doing like getting their kid into sports and stuff. It's just the long term
joel: Sure sounds like it.
Mango: effect of it can be devastating.
joel: It could be yes, you're not wrong there.
Mango: Anyways, let's go ahead and wrap this up. I gotta wake up early and it's gonna be Friday. And this will come out on Monday.
joel: Will it?
Mango: Hopefully. I don't think I'm like that busy this weekend. Trisha wants to go to the Sasquatch
joel: Okay.
Mango: Festival. And S
joel: Where's that at?
Mango: I think it's in Salina. I guess apparently there's a couple of them going on. There's one in Salina. There's one in Hawking Hills. There's one somewhere else. I didn't even know this was a thing, Bigfoot Festivals?
joel: I didn't know it was in Ohio. I could imagine somewhere else. just that that was
Mango: Don't you know Bigfoot's here in Ohio? Didn't you know that's the big thing right now?
joel: this year. That was the first time ever. Okay, whatever. We've talked about this.
Mango: Anyway, so
joel: Of all of I think Bigfoot are aliens. I'm cool with existing, but
Mango: Aliens. So we might do that this weekend. So I don't I don't think I have a lot going on. I gotta clean the boat. So haven't done that. I gotta winterize it. And yeah, so I should be able to get this out by Monday. Monday,
joel: All right.
Mango: Monday, Monday. And Joel's gonna do nothing. he is now. Dude. All right.
joel: I was just fucking with you. what am I doing this weekend? We have a fall festival that we are going to and I am
Mango: Yeah.
joel: working I'm working all weekend. I gotta close a swimming pool
Mango: Wow.
joel: and then I have to run electric for a bathroom exhaust fan.
Mango: Cool. Let me tell you guys something about the last episode that came out.
joel: cake. I can't wait.
Mango: This guy, this guy named Jewel, never stops talking, always talking. And I step away from the mic for just a few minutes and he doesn't know what to say. He just freezes. Nothing.
joel: I didn't free I talked I talked and then I realized that I was rambling and saying nothing so I went I'm done
Mango: See? He got put on the spot. He didn't know what to do. And then I had to edit.
joel: Yeah. I d well because I wa it was very it was very unexpected and I didn't
Mango: Hence being put on the spot.
joel: well number one, I wanted I wanted to bash you, but I'm a better person than you are. And so I
Mango: Did so great at it.
joel: only bashed real quick for a little bit and then I went I can't really think of any dumb things that he's done that I need to bash. And I didn't want to go to the he likes dudes because that's stupid. And
Mango: Ha ha ha. Yeah, dude, all your gay jokes suck.
joel: yeah, I did yeah. I didn't I 'cause I don't want to do I didn't want to do gay jokes 'cause they're
Mango: Yeah.
joel: just it's old and used up and there's better ways to make fun of you. So much better ways to make fun of you.
Mango: Like a like one of those guys from the YMCA.
joel: yeah, old all and
Mango: Hold him use that.
joel: used. Never mind. and so I ran out of things to quickly say, and then we had just got the episode started, so we didn't really have a topic, and I didn't have anything to riff on, so I ended up not saying anything.
Mango: He said, I don't have anything else to say. And
joel: I got nothing else to say.
Mango: then I had to go through and edit. Then he came back. He came back and said a couple more things. And then he was like, I don't, I don't have anything else. And then dead silence. Again.
joel: Yeah. Yeah. Dead silence.
Mango: From the guy who always talks, who's always loud.
joel: I dude. I if you give me a topic to talk about and I get responses, then I'll just keep talking. But if I don't if I don't get responses, that's probably why I couldn't be a radio host. Like talk I'd have to have a second so that I could have responses in a conversation because I don't know if I could just talk to Yeah, all right. Yeah. Okay. So
Mango: Alright, I'm gonna step away real fast for a minute and go ahead and put this on me.
joel: so thanks for listening to the episode. This is the End of the episode. I mean you're just shaking back and forth. I'm ending the episode. So you can find us on
Mango: Okay, I'm back. I'll listen to what you did.
joel: I didn't do anything. I was gonna end the episode. I was saying I was yeah.
Mango: okay. All right. Go ahead. Take us out of here 'cause I gotta wake up early.
joel: You're the one that you actually are the one that kept talking tonight. So listener, when you get a hear this, and Mango is the one that talked all night long. But
Mango: Shut up, bitch.
joel: Yeah. all right. Yeah. So you guys can find us on all our social medias. And if you have any comments or requests, go ahead and send those over to heydadhd at a o l dot com. And TikTok and Instagram. What are those handles, Mango?
Mango: Your you're you're taking us out. What are you talking about?
joel: no, no, no. See, that's what you always do to me is you say half of them and then you send it over to me. And I'm like, why doesn't he just say all? Why
Mango: You didn't even say half of them.
joel: doesn't he just say all of them?
Mango: You didn't even say half. You just immediately gave it over to me.
joel: No, I know. That's because that's what I was I w my point was is you just
Mango: my goodness.
joel: sign it right over and I'm like, he just said the username. So what what is the whole point of him making me
Mango: I'm so used to having you say the TikTok one because I always have, 'cause I can never remember it. I know. All right, so
joel: Because it was different. But n but now that it's not different, so all right, well with that being said.
Mango: You can find us on Facebook at HeydadHD. You can also watch us on YouTube at Heydadcast, where we cast all the episodes. You can also see the videos we play on there and you can see our pretty faces. At least my pretty face. And my bald head.
joel: And a shiny head. I was gonna say something about it.
Mango: you can also find us on TikTok at Heydad HD or Instagram, heydad underscore HD. We post on there regularly. Give us a follow on there. That also helps us out. give us a like and follow us on YouTube and Spotify. That'll really help us out. And I think I know, but I said follow us on there. That'll really help us out there. We we have
joel: You already said YouTube. don't forget don't forget X. There's so do I saw someone used X to Rob Schneider posted something on X.
Mango: Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider
joel: Yeah, it was about
Mango: in
joel: what was it? He wa it was something political about
Mango: He's gotten very political.
joel: it was about France. And he he said
Mango: Imagine.
joel: he said, isn't it great how you voted for free education, free health care, free all this, and then all the people were tearing down your city. Looks like it's really working well, isn't it?
Mango: Rob Schneider in France.
joel: Rob Schneider. I met him once at the airport. Anyway, all right. We're out of here. We need to go to bed.
Mango: do we?
joel: Think so.
Mango: That's a show. That's a show. All right. We
joel: We got claps.
Mango: will see you guys in the next one. Bye.
joel: Later
