Is Anthony Fauci Just a Scapegoat? - Gracearchy with Jim Babka 165

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Do you want somebody to tell you what to think
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all the time or not.
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I mean, this is a great question you're asking, because
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it sets, it goes, It ties us directly back to
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why started down this rabbit trail I haven't forgotten, and
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that is is this escapegoat situation. No, we have to
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have some way of arriving at the station where everybody
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understands the truth, or at least enough people understand the
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truth that we heal that there's reconciliation and maybe even
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the potential for restitution for people who deserve it. But
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we can't get there because we went the political route.
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Instead of conflict and aggression, here's governance built on grace.
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Welcome to Grace ArKade with Jim Babka. We've been talking
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to you a couple of times now. Actually one of
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our very early episodes was about this way back in
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the day. Episode forty one was about the Spillover Gang.
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And if you've been following us and our journey through
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the what we've called C plus because we can't use
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the words, you'll know that we have a particular take
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on what has gone on with the shall I say,
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the scientific and medical and research management of what we
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now can say openly is COVID nineteen. Today we're going
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to kind of do a free wheeling conversation because, as
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you all know, Fauci was on the stand the other
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day in front of the Senate and it got messy.
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It got messy, but he took the fifth end. Jim,
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you asked me of offline about this. It's like, do
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I feel sorry or something for him? What was your
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exact question, because I think it's an important place to start.
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Well, I asked if you had sympathy for him?
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Had sympathy? Yes, Well, we need a national scapegoat. Everybody
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who knows scapegoating can go and look at that, but
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somebody needs to stand up and take responsibility and say,
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you know what I could have done better? I blew it.
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I'm sorry, something to say, yes, this happened because of
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something that I didn't handle. Correct. Now we know he
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lied and a bunch of other crazy things that go
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way back, and there's already a case pending somewhere on this. Yeah.
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Well, I mean we've we did an episode just recently
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a couple Yeah, what was an episode the virus in
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the lab league where we talked about David Morenz, Pauci's
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assistant who was under indictment, and so we will put
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that down to the show note. You all also referenced
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the episode forty one already now COVID and the Spillover Gang,
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and I apologize for the quality of the video in
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that this was early in our podcasting career and I
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didn't have as good internet as I have now, and
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Bill has Bill saves us. He does a lot to
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make the editing work here.
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So everything except reproducing what you said using.
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AI, I was wearing a shirt that strobed. If you
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want to know what strobing is, go watch that video. Yeah,
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but I apologize for the video of the content I've
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just rewatched. It is still rock solid. I'm very proud
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of the work we did that day, and even the
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David Moren's episode one fifty nine, they'll both be down
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in the show notes, but I'm proud of both of
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those episodes. But that build. A thing that stands out
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to me about what we did on that episode forty
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one COVID in the Spillover Gang is how right we
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turned out to be.
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Yeah, you were real early and real accurate with your
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with your understanding of the situation. And your prediction about
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what happened down the road. And this was three years ago, people,
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This is like March.
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Twenty twenty three, and we are recording in midsummer, late summer.
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We're getting into late summer already twenty twenty six, So
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we're talking what three three years and four months ago,
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five years ago, four months ago, three years and four
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months ago. So yeah, and there's still people to this
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hour pretending differently. I can you know, I don't believe
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he was is a scapegoat, really no, I do not.
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I know why people think that's the case. But where
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we landed episode forty one and even more emphatically, episode
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one fifty nine. Where we landed in those two episodes
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we talked about truth and reconciliation. I put a finer
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point on it in the second episode that truth and
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truth comes before reconciliation. Truth is a necessary thing before reconciliation.
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So we have to have a justice system in parts,
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so we have a method of getting to the truth.
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And I think, well, I think rand Paul is very
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much going. There's people attacking him and saying that he's
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got an obsession and that he's a stalker, And I
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think what he's doing has been consistent since twenty twenty one,
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because that's when he started to get on This was
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in the summer of twenty twenty one. I think he
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has been consistent in pursuing the truth, and I think
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he's been upset and frustrated by the level of obstruction
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that has been run against him trying to get at
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that truth. And it has been immense And so Anthony
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Fauci has an opportunity to come in and testify again.
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He's no longer a government employee after.
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Decades, decade, it's a long time.
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Yeah. In fact, the last position he had in government
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paid employee of the federal government, he was the second
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highest paid employee of the federal government. The position that
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he had had goes all the way back to the
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Reagan administration and didn't end until Biden, So he was
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on board for a long time. He had an opportunity
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to come in and testify, and they had to get
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a subpoena to get him in. It was scheduled and
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he dropped out with less than about a week to go,
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said I'm not coming, and they had the subpoena him
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to get him there, which is why the setting is
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the way it is. And then let's go in and
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show what just a short clip of what the hearings.
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Were like, Yeah, yeah, from Wednesday, right.
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So that's what he did one hundred I think it
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was one hundred and eleven times? Is he pled the fifth?
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Can I ask a real bonehead question here?
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Yes?
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Why why does he feel it's necessary to not tell
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the truth? Is he planning to do that some other way?
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Will there be a book? I mean, what's the game
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plan here? No?
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Absolutely not? Uh. And it is very obvious because we
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have documentation now that there was a conspiracy to withhold
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information from the country, and there is the possibility of
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a greater conspiracy, which is that many of the actions
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he took starting in January of twenty twenty a lot.
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To put this all in context of people lose track
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of time, the lockdown started and in March, and the
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pandemic of the unvaccinated starts in the summer, late summer
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of twenty twenty one and goes right through the end
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of the year. Those are the two. So you could
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date this all in your head and you can remember
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what things were like. The vaccines basically available all of
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twenty twenty one, and we're already learned that in May
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they of twenty twenty, and they said you could take
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off your mask. So we're back to January of twenty twenty.
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And were all of the actions that he subsequently took,
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or some significant portion of them designed entirely? Was the
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purpose of the pandemic, maybe even the purpose of the
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lockdowns and all the other theater such as the masks
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six feet distancing, which wasn't based in science at all.
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Was this about covering up what had happened in Wuhan?
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It had to be, Jim.
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I suspect it is, and there's a lot of reason
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to believe this. I just want people to know it.
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And I don't want to rehash all the stuff we
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covered in episode forty one, because we did a fantastic job,
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but we didn't have the same knowledge then that we
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have today. And one of the things I'm frustrated about
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Bill is people insulting rand Paul for you know, why
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is he talking about this. The pandemic's over. Why is
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he talking about this happened years ago? It takes this
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long to actually surface the truth. Yes, so the spillover
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gang at the time that I did it I was
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trying to be very very tight and specific, and I
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told everybody that the scientists they needed to be paying
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the most attention to were Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins, who
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was technically Anthony Fauci's boss, he was the head of
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the director of NIH at the time. And then three
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top level all star level take them to the Olympics,
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well known virologists Christian Anderson with scripts research, Eddie Holmes
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at the University of Sydney, and Bob Gary. And I
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suggested very emphatically that up to that time, and it
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has continued to prove true to my knowledge ever since.
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I have not checked everything. I'm not stayed on top
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of this topic, you know enough to guarantee what I'm
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about to say. But it was true at the time
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I said it, and it was true quite a bit
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subsequently that if you looked at any news reporting on
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the subject by the mainstream where they were suggesting that
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this was that lab leak was a conspiracy or that
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the natural or zoonotic explanation was the best explanation of
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the evidence. If you saw that in any The Atlantic
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or the New York Times or whatever. If you saw
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that in prominent rate regime publications. You would find those
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three guys one, two or three of them being quoted
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in the pieces. You would find out that they were
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part of the sourcing. Because this was a small conspiracy,
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it turned out there were a lot of scientists that
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were questioning this, a huge number of them actually, and
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it has grown by the year. They were doing what
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they could to suppress that they were involved in a
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suppression effort, and that's largely what's been revealed now by
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Fauci's diaries. Now the subsequent there is one thing I
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want to recover here, and I did. Actually, I didn't
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make many notes for today, but this is a set
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of notes I did make for myself. The Proximal Origin
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of Stars Kobe two was published in Nature Medicine in
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March seventeen, twenty twenty, so this is the first week
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of lockdowns. That's when that publication dropped, but that means
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it was being written before that. It has five authors,
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Christian Anderson, Andrew Rambot, Ian Lipkin, Edward Holmes, and Robert Gary. Okay,
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now this is really really interesting. When I'm about to say here,
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this is new. I did not say this at the
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time because we did not have in twenty twenty three
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the complete list of people that were in the call.
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You say, the call, Jim, Yeah, the call. So Christian Anderson.
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If we're going back to the episode real quickly, we
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just got to set this tiny piece of context. At
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the end of January, sends a message to Anthony Fauci
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via email and says that I believe he said that.
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Bob and I meaning Bob Gary both think this has
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to lably origin, and Fauci says, don't send any more emails.
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We're going to have a phone call. Okay, that phone
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call now happens on February first. They're saying that the
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lablee couldn't have happened.
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They're saying, okay, so they're taking a position that's opposed
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to science by saying that the lab league could never
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have happened.
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They did motivated work, the kind that a lawyer would
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do instead of a scientist to demonstrate. They worked hard
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to demonstrate. So I want to this is what's new.
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This is what's new. This is one of the things
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we've learned. We now know we have and we've had
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this list for a while that I'm about to give
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We did have it in twenty twenty three when we
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did the Spillover episod. But we've had this list for
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a while, but we learned something new about this list.
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So the February first, twenty twenty call had Jeremy Farrar
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organizing it. He's the director of the Welcome Trust. Fauci, Collins, Anderson,
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Holmes and Gary are all there, as is Rambaut, Faucher,
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Marian Koopman's, Mike Farzan and Ian Lipkin. No, there's going
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to be thirteen depending on how you count thirteen total, okay.
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And because one of the people that was there is
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not technically a science he's the UK Government's Chief Scientific Advisor,
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and that was Patrick Valance. And I mentioned, by the way,
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a person that was not part of the group at
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this time. He wasn't in the club, but he was
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under the tutelage of Eddie Holmes and Bob Gary. Mike
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Warrabee we mentioned in the previous episode because were attempting
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a steel man the other side, and he was the
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guy that was doing the very best work arguing for
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the natural origin zoonotics billover approach. He and he was
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very good at communicating these ideas on Twitter, and he
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was writing studies that at the time were mostly in
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pre print, and that's something we discussed at the time.
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But here's what's interesting about all the people in this call.
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How many of them thought during this call we're on
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February first, Now we didn't know this before. How many
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of them thought natural origin zoonotics bill over? How many.
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Do we know? We do?
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We do now because Faucher recorded it in its diary
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zero Fauci said it was two two, and we know
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who they were. They were Andrew Rambau spelled R M
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B A U T and Ron Fouchet f O U
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believed this, and one of them, Andrew Rambau, ends up
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being one of the co authors of the proximal Origins report. Okay,
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now here's what's significant about this. We have correspondence between
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them in slack channels, email, and we have testimony in
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some cases that has been given before Congress. Christian Anderson
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wasn't sure he was. He was the guy that sent
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the email to Fauci in the first place, saying is
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probably this has to be artificial, this has to be
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lab and he was quoting as he said it Bob Gary.
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He was saying that, you know, this is what Bob believes. Okay,
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so we have some documented proof now that Christian Anderson
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and Eddie Holmes and Bob Gary, three of the authors
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of this report, believed that it was zoonotics Billover. They
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the only person that goes into this report in advance
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leaning this way is the ander rambau So we already
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we talked about this in the last episode. It was
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literally less than a week. We counted it. It was
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five days between the time they decided to write this
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report and the reservations of doubt that were expressed in advance.
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But now it's shorter. It's three on February first. In
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this call, according to Anthony Fauci's diary, only two people
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on this list, and we know which two they were,
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said we think the evidence goes in the in favor
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of zoonotic spillover. Everybody else said, nope, it's leaning the
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other direction. This is a problem. Fauci's not a scientist,
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he's a bureaucrat. He's not a doctor, he's a bureaucrat.
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It's a matter of which hat he's putting on and
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bringing to the show. He's like, holy cow, we have
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an issue. And you start to dig into this you
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find out that, oh my gosh, his fingerprints are all
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over the front end of this.
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You asked me if I have any sympathy for Fauci.
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He made the wrong call, And the sympathy that I
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have for him is the same that I would have
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for anyone else who made the wrong call and then
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later discovered it was the wrong call. He decided, apparently
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that it was in the better interest of the world
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to cover this thing. Ups was revealing exactly what was
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going on and turning the entire resources of the world
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loose and figuring out how to fight it. That kind
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of happened anyway, But he got in the way, and
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so I have sympathy for him making the wrong choice. Jim.
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Does your sympathy change though, when you gain information that
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suggests more than suggests? I mean, there was already a
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lot of evidence and now it's overwhelming. Yeah, No, it
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doesn't change. I made a bad call, So I'm the
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same way as you in this respect. There was a
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police officer who kneeled on a man's neck, leading to
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a summer of protests and riots. Yeah, and I believed
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that that man was guilty, that officer was guilty. I
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believe that the prison sentence that he currently has is justified.
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I believe it sends an important signal. I don't necessarily
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think this is a scapegoat. I understand why people would
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suggest that in that situation too, but I actually believe
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he committed a crime on that spot. And yet there
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were people who were cheering when he was sentenced, and
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I can't join that because I say, well, it's still
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a human being.
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It's a human being.
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It's it's unfortunate that we have to come to this
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point of justice. But I want to be clear. I
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think that Anthony Fauci is a human being. But this
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isn't a mere mistake. This is this is there's he lied,
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and it's criminal what he did. And lots of death
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we could debate the number, but lots of death occurred
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as a result of it. Yep, potentially over a million
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deaths in the United States. I don't actually know that
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I believe that number, but potentially over a million deaths,
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and that makes him culpable and responsible and accountable. And
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accountability is necessary because we have to get to truth
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before we can get to reconciliation. Truth is the predecessor
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to reconciliation. I'm for truth and reconciliation, but you don't
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get reconciliation without the truth.
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Are we ever going to get to the truth on that?
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There's so much that's coming out that's just flow.
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I think he should be prosecuted, yep. I think he
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should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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But he's been pardoned, you know, And that's actually a
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problem because the President of the United States is intending,
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very very seriously. He already knows he's going to do this.
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You could take this to the bank. I'd be willing
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to bet somebody about this. He is going to pardon
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his kids at the end of his term. The entire
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family has been profiting from this current White House run.
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They lost a lot of money under the lawfair that
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was waged against them, particularly after he left office. But
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they have recovered recovered, They've more than recovered. His net
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worth is at an all time high right now as
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I'm talking to you. So I think he's going to pardon.
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So it's very he he made a statement, he said
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out loud, oh, you know, the pardons like one of
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the most powerful things the president has. So I'm not
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going to go up against Biden's pardon. He pardoned Fauci, right,
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He didn't say he won't do anything with it. He talked.
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He started talking some nonsense about auto pen which is
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an irrelevant issue. The pardon, though, I want to point out,
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is federal in nature. It doesn't cover the States. So
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the Florida Attorney General has already said he's going to
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start looking into what can be done there. And so
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I don't know that Fauci's safe from that, And that
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might be one of the reasons he claimed the fifth.
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It would not have covered him perjuring himself in that hearing.
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It covered stuff that happened before buy for that left office.
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Yep, So the fifth legally, the fifth was the right
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thing to do because anything he would have said would
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have definitely been used against him. Yes, yes, okay, so
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I'm in agreement with the fifth. The other thing, though,
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that I'm not quite clear about, is the scapegoat thing.
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So truth and justice I'm down with that, But you know,
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we're not going to draw in quote this guy. But
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he used to be responsible for what he's done, and.
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I don't I don't. I gotta be honest with you,
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as much pain and suffering as he caused, and I
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do believe he caused a tremendous amount of pain of suffering.
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I really do believe that a little bit of a hit.
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In my family, I had an uncle who got who
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fell and had a head injury. He got. He succumed
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to his injuries within a week. Where his wife, who
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I mean they were they did everything together, They were
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separated from each other, and she was not allowed to
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see him in the hospital until they called her in.
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They called her in because they needed to pull the plug,
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and they were not telling her the whole truth about
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what was happening to him while he was in there.
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It was really a disgusting situation. She told them she
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would sue the hospital if they labeled his death of
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COVID death. Now you might say she was hysterical, but
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I think she was doing something rather sound. She had
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not been able to see her husband and that just
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shouldn't have happened. They did this all over the place.
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I have another friend. I just heard from him this
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morning at a great thing happening in his family. But
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he lost his grandmother and they had to watch the
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funeral on the video. Yeah, it's just it's absurd. Punishment
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to me is not what we shouldn't be a punishing adults.
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I don't believe in punishment. It probably sounds too blanket.
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I'm sorry. We don't have time to go completely down
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that rabbit trail. But what we should want to do
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is provide restitution and reconciliation. So victims should be should
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receive restitution, and to the best we can, we should
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try to patch up and heal the fabric of society
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and social relationships in these situations, and justice is part
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of the tools by which we do that. And because
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most people won't take responsibility for the bad acts they do,
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they don't want to. They want to do the crime
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without doing the time, so they won't tell the truth.
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And that's what's happening here. And he's running out the clock.
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Eighty five years old. Maybe the Democrats get the sent
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back and next year he's trying to run out the
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clock so that he can basically stay a step ahead
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of Paul. So he's really playing the time game. But
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the only way we get at that, well, let's put
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it this way. This actually gets to probably the most
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important thing. We'll discuss this whole time. People are not
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seeing truth that's objective and right in front of their face.
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In the same way they're not seeing the truth itself.
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So I'm sitting I watch a lot of YouTube, and
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I'm sitting there's a picture that's kind of burned into
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my brain. I saw this roughly a week ago, and
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it was a picture of a head with a brain
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in it and lines going all over and it's said,
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can we actually see the truth? Or are we all
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just telling ourselves stories? It was pithier and whatever. I
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don't remember the exact wording, but you get the point, right.
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Yeah, it's a good question.
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Is our brain basically a story making machine? So let
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me throw out three quick things. Abortion. You can't have
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a discussion about abortion this country without people lining up
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into their side. And by the way, they all have
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an argument. Everybody knows what they think about abortion. They
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know they all now there are people don't want to
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have that conversation at all. But of the people who
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will have that conversation, they all have a position that
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they can articulate that is clear. And there is not
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a shred of evidence in any way, shape or form
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that you could give them that would move them a micrometer,
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nothing would make a difference. Okay, all right, let's get
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closer to the present though, Let's get closer to something
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that's really happening right now. And we had Renee Good,
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which we did an episode about. We'll put that link
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down to the show notes to you too. You could
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see what happened in that video, but everybody had a
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motivated reason for seeing what they saw, and instead of
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actually seeing the truth of the video or even being
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open to the evidence of the video, most people, most
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of the time, lined up on their predictable partisan team.
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If you believe that ice is a good age doing
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a valuable service, you believed that renee Good was attempting
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to run him over. If you knew anything about driver's ed,
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if you knew anything about the use of force, deadly force,
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if you knew anything about those subjects, you should have
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been on renee Goods side. Just objectively true. But okay,
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maybe that one's so close because of the angle of
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the car that we could have a debate about it.
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But then they shot Alex pretty and the administration, with
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no shame in their game, starts making the most anti
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second amendment case made by a US president. In the
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last fifty years, Barack Obama has been president, Joe Biden
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has been president, Bill Clinton has been president, George H. W.
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Bush has been president, Richard Nixon's been president. This was
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the most anti This is the kind of thing that
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would have set the NRA's hair on fire if it
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had been done anything by anybody else. And they said,
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you're bringing a gun to a protest. He was shot
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murdered in cold blood on a city street, and people said, well,
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you know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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So I just want to say this is across the
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board because now there are people who don't want to
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hear it about Anthony Fauci. All this evidence is in
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front of us, and they don't want to hear any
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of it. They're sticking their fingers in their ears and
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they go, la la la la, la la la la.
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I hear you people, this is not This doesn't help
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because the more you dig in, the less we have
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a democracy, and the more we move toward authoritarianism. Is
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that what you want people sitting on both sides of
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this thing and can't talk to each other. Do you
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want an authoritarian government. Do you want another Hitler? Okay,
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do you want somebody to tell you what to think
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all the time or not?
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I mean, this is a great question you're asking because
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it sets, it goes, It ties us directly back to
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why started down this rabbit trail. I haven't forgotten, and
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that is is this escapegoat situation. No, we have to
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have some way of arriving at the station where everybody
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understands the truth, or at least enough people understand the
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truth that we heal that there's reconciliation and maybe even
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the potential for restitution for people who deserve it. But
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we can't get there because we went the political route.
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So anytime you decide to make this a political thing,
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you're going to begin having division because it's no longer science,
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no longer a scientific question. It's a political question. It's
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not a moral question. It's a political question. You see
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what I'm saying, Like you've decided that you're going to
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use this mechanism. So politics, Bill is about taking sides,
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not finding the truth. It's about your partisan team winning.
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It's about making sure that you score points. So I
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just want you to visualize, like if you're listening to
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me right now, But I'm drawing my finger across the
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middle screen, and above the line is power and below
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the line is truth, and power is heavy. It's grinding
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the truth to nothing. There's a choice that's being made
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when you play politics. You're choosing power over truth, and
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truth has no room because truth is disloyal. Truth isn't
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part of the team. Truth doesn't advance the political cause,
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and people sell their souls and join into a blob
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and they lose their individual agency in the process because
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they've stopped pursuing the quest for truth. So one of
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the biggest spiritual development points in my entire life comes
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when I meet a priest. His name was Father Earl Fox.
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He was an Episcopalian priest, and he said to me
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something that I have never, ever, ever forgotten, and it
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revolutionized my thinking. Our first commitment is always to the truth.
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That's not what they normally teach people in Sunday School.
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But if you read the scripture, it says I am
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the Way, I am the Truth, I am the Life.
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That's Jesus' claim. So if he's making that claim and
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your first pursuit is for the truth, do you think
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you'll find him. It's not a threat. It's not a
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threat to any Christian belief system to say my first
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commitment is to the truth. What is the truth of
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this matter? I want to know what's right or wrong.
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No apologetics can be justified unless we're talking about the truth.
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Truth apologetics are a series of truth discussions. What is
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the truth of the matter.
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appreciate your support. So zapp the state and to have
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a nice day. I appreciate where you're coming from there,
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But we're dealing in two different realms. We are the
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spiritual truth, the grace that we need to extend in
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this situation, doesn't care about what's happened in the world.
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It doesn't care about the physical facts. So if you
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want to talk about that truth, I'm right with you.
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But if you want to talk about the other kind
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of truth, which is well, I saw it this way
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and that's my truth. And then the other guy says, well,
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I saw it this way, and that's my truth. Those
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things are objectively not true.
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Objectively not true, those are not healthy, and yeah, they're harmful.
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To you and they're rful, and that's the situation in
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which we are trying to apply the law of grace.
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Yes, so your relationship and mind starts with an interview
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from you to me to join you and a friend
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of yours, John Crowtech. Yeah, go on a short lived
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podcast you had authentic human outliers. And in that first
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interview that I did with you, one of the ideas
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I discussed with you that day was the idea of
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a media fast. So I'm on this other interview where
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I'm being asked questions about Fausci and I brought this
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up because the host had started to blame the media
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they didn't do a good enough job covering it. And
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I want to say, this is one of the reasons
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I'm not a conservative, by the way, because there's always
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people sitting there going, well, if this institution would have
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done its job, or that institution would have done its job.
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The media, as I told him, is a business, and
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they're after the clicks. They're after the ratings yep. So
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they're not after the truth either. The only way that
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you could get them to want the truth is if
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they're customers, their viewers and listeners. Their readers demanded it.
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Yeah, we've seen the devolution of what people want over
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fifty years, but that's what sells advertising. So who cares
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about the truth. I know there are still newspapers out
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there that do, so forgive me. If you're one of
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those newspapers.
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Well, it's almost by accident when it happens, or maybe
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the stakes are so low that they actually occasionally do
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their job. But I pointed out on this show that
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you think that this is only happening in politics, it
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turns out it's not. So we've had Jerry Boyer on
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this show and he talked about it. He talked about
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this expressly during the interview that we did with them,
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and we could put that one down on the show
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notes too if we want. But Jerry used to appear
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in CNBC and he had an epiphany when he saw
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two boxing gloves coming to the center of screen and exploding.
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Is the opening of his segment. They hit each other
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and exploded, and he's like Oh my gosh, I am
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in the midst of the conflict. We have a better
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word that I use that we use at the Foundation
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for Harmony and Prosperity, which is one of my paying gigs,
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which is that the conflict machine. It's a better term
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to describe politics. It's a system based on coercion where
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there must be losers. You noticed I didn't say winners.
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I said losersone as someone has to be taken from
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and that's what the fight is over. And everybody knows
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how high the stakes are, so you start to understand
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why they're is attracted to this. But I go all
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the way back to the media fast and I say,
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two weeks of work six weeks seems to be ideal.
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And I said, you know, how like if you start
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drinking diet coke, but then you give it up for
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two months, and then you come back and you pick
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up a can, You're like, WHOA why I like this?
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You acquired it, you acquired a taste for it. You
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acquired a taste for it.
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Yep.
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And that's what happens with this media. You get used
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to it just being part of your daily process or
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your weekly process, and you start to not realize what
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it's doing to your mind. But if number one, you
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took a fast for about six weeks, and number two,
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when you came back from that fast, you were aware
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of one thought. This was the second idea I gave
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that this is a conflict machine and that this is war.
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Politics is war by other means. So in the interview
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I did with you, I believe I used this very
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same example because this is when I had the epiphany.
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There used to be a television show called Hardball with
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Chris Matthews, right, and I worked, I ran, I was
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in a group blog all the way back in the
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Oh god, this is almost seventeen eighteen years ago. Now,
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I was sure I would exactly close every post with
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Hardball delenda est as in Hardball must be destroyed, right,
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because what was going on there is that they would
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take let's say, let's say inflation is really hit, and
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now they're doing a story in the price of inks. Oh,
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we just got this brand new report seeing inflation and
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eggs are gone up by this much or whatever. What
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Chris Matthews would do on Hardball is he would translate
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that into a question that was about a family and
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their needs at their table and how those are going
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to be solved. He would end that discussion and instantly
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turn over a new one. What was the impact on
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Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in their race? They're running
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against each other.
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What are they going to do?
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And specifically, he wanted to know how were they going
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to spin it spin meaning literally, how were they going
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to either break from their principles or deceive their base
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to get the votes they needed to win. What was
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the and so instead of the issue being what's the
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impact on you, Bill, what's the impact on everybody here
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in an audience, the question was, what's the impact on
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Mitt Romney? Mittens he's trying to win an election?
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Yep, yep.
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If you have take that, if you take six weeks
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off and that approach to the next time you watch
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CNN or the next time you read the New York Times, boom,
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it's you're gonna see it. You can't unsee it anymore.
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And we talked about this all the way back the
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very first time you interviewed me.
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Yep.
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And that's the thing, and that's what I said during
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this radio interview.
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That media fast will take take pounds off of your thinker.
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You will be so nimble. When you come back from
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that fast, your thinker will surprise you with what it
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sees and how it reports those those observations to you.
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I know, I'm kind of still hung up on this
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scape scapegoat thing. How do we get out of this
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mess with regard to COVID and Fauci, what's the what's
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the reasonable like project the way forward? If we could
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say to the you know, to Washington, d C. Here's
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how to get through this with the best possible results
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for everybody, not just for the people elected to be there.
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What would that be?
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Yeah, I think this is where I want to land
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the plane.
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Is it even possible? I mean, I'm not a cynic.
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You know, I question things, but I still have hope.
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I do too.
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I do too.
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I wouldn't be sitting here talking if I didn't, I
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would go do something else. I believe that what we're
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doing matters, even if our impact seems low. I believe
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it matters to speak the truth. That's why I do it.
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I believe that, by the way, it matters most to me.
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So you know, if I'm sitting here talking to you,
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I got to start to live by what it is
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I said does that make sense?
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It makes sense.
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First, I want to say on the meta level, I
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am enthusiastically in support of Rand Paul in what he
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is doing right now, and he should not stop. And
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I hope he continues. We have to get to the truth,
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and I don't see any other way that that's going
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to happen. I don't even think the Administration's going to help.
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So I hope that he continues to do this and
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that eyes are open while this happens.
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But what does that look like? I mean, we can't
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impeach Bauci, but we can we can bring civil charges
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against him through the states.
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Oh, I think actually it's possible to bring criminal charges
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against him, a big criminal charges. And next week the Senate,
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probably around the time we dropped this episode, the Senate
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will meet to determine what his charge should be. He did.
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They believe he obstructed, so they'll figure out what that
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looks like, and they will send what's called a referral
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over to the Justice Department. We'll see what happens. I'm
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not hoping the Justice Apartment does very much with this
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because of the President's desires to protect the pardon power.
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But we'll see we'll see. You know, there's a moment
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if they can find a way to appeal to Trump's ego.
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There's a moment which he got very mad at Ronda
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at Burke's doctor Burks, when she was in the Oval office,
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and she reaches out to Fauci and he records the
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senator's diary to seek consolation. She wants to be she
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wants to shoulder to cry on, because I was towing
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a line for you and this president. The president really
686
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ripped into them and said, you guys have destroyed my presidency.
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You've ruined you've ruined me. And this happened, by the way,
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I don't know, like May of twenty twenty. This is
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before the summer, and you know, long before the vaccine
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had arrived on the scene. I mean, this is fairly
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early still, but he's starting to realize he's been had
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and hoodwinked, and he was he definitely he was incompetent,
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and circles were run around him. He didn't know what
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he was doing and what he was up against. He
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didn't know what had been done to him right before
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he got there in January, but.
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Nobody was bringing the factual information.
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But I believe your question was what this looks like,
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and I I was thinking, I want Ran Paul to
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continue with this thing. So that's the that's what's happening
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and likely to happen, it should happen.
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That's the bare minimum as far as I'm concerned.
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But I think spiritual individual spiritual health matters. And even
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if the only thing that happens out of what we're
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doing here is that the people who are within the
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sound of our voice are moved to be different. Maybe
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they do the media fast, maybe they see this entire
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equation differently. Maybe they're not bloodlust because I thought even
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some of Rand's social media before this event was a
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little bit off. They want to get to the truth
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and they want reconciliation. That's what justice looks like for them,
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more than vengeance. If we get there, if we start
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seeking the truth first instead of making questions political. If
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we get there and it's only us, and maybe we're
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just a small select remnant for now, but we just
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keep talking to people about what it is, and maybe
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there's a piece that exudes from us because we're aware
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of this. If that's all that comes out of this,
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that's good. You have to recognize you're not God, You're you,
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and you is a lot to manage being me, Oh
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my gosh, really difficult to manage. That's where the real
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healing begins. Before you go save the world, save yourself
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and then find others who also want to save themselves.
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They want to have a spiritual walk that is refusing vengeance,
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which is a lot of what escapegoating mechanisms about. They
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want to be They want to be driven by something
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higher and a bigger goal in the end, which is
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that we don't need to use force against each other
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to get things done, and we are looking out for
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each other because we're motivated by love. It's a concept
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here that we've called grace.