2nd Amendment Is About More Than Guns - Gracearchy with Jim Babka 167

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The origin of gun control laws in the United States
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was to keep guns out of the hands of black people.
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Instead of conflict and aggression, here's governance built on grace.
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Welcome to Grace Arcade with Jim Babka. You're about to
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hear a Second Amendment case unlike any other. In fact,
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Jim's gonna reveal the three things that hardly anyone understands,
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plus two theories that you've never heard before. The second
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one relates to the title of this episode. That is,
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the Second Amendment covers another object, not just firearms. You'll
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want to stay to the end to find out what
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that is. So, Jim, what do you have for us?
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Yeah, we'll get to it there at the end.
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And I this is something I've wanted to talk about
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for a long time and I just finally got around
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to making an episode about it.
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Yeah. So another evergreen episode for those of you who
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are keeping track.
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Yes, yeah, this is one you can come back to
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again and again.
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It will not be bound by time, we hope. But
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first I want to in order for us to get
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to that destination, I think we got to lay out
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some building blocks.
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Yes, absolutely, and there are several of them. You guys
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have become accustomed to this now. So here the first
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one is what is a right?
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What is a right?
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So we talk about rights. Our government grants us rights,
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or the creator granted us rights, or I have my
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rights or the Bill of rights. We talk about rights.
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What are rights? So this is what I would call
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novel theory number one. This is one of the two
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things that you will not hear anywhere else. And at
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some point we'll go much deeper into this subject as well,
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but for today, keeping it simple. Rights are natural, and
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the reason they are natural is that they are attached
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to empathy. They are things that we recognize that we
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want and that we recognize the people we care about want.
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And because we think about ourselves and those other people
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that we care about, we realize that in kind of
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the grand social bargain of things, we want those things,
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and other people are going to have to give us
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those things, and so we all make an agreement that
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that's how it's going to be. A lot of people
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spend time making distinctions between what our negative rights and
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positive rights, and that's because there's a state coercing us,
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and we're trying to figure out what the government should
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be able to do, and we want to limit those
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to the so called negative ones, the things that you
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shouldn't do to other people. But every right that you have,
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including let's say a right to healthcare, can come through
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something like your employer. It is because we have these
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empathies and agreements with one another that we have rights.
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So rights just simply describe what is supposed to come
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to us in the role that we're in and in
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the role of citizen. That includes life, liberty and the
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pursuit of happiness, because we all want those things.
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So life liberty, a suit of happiness. I say those
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are natural rights.
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Those are natural rights, but they're natural because they're inside
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our chemistry. So interestingly enough, in empathy, we have things
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like neurons in our brain. It's sure him to get
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to understand or relate directly to how other people are
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responding to something. If you're like me and you've gone
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and watched the UFC on TV, or you've gone to
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a bar to do it, I've done it several times
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at a bar over the years. We watched the pay
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per view groin strikes in the fight. They always pause
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the fight and they fill the time by replaying the
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strike and every.
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Man in the bar goes right.
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They all clench up right, and that is what's called
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a parasympathetic response. And you have that because of your
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mirror neurons. And it's not just because of mere neurons.
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We also have a chemical, a hormone that runs through
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our bodies that until the nineteen nineties, this is how
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recent this was. It's called oxytocin, not oxycotton, but oxytocin.
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We thought that the main reason for its existence had
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something to do with connecting mother and child in breastfeeding,
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but it turns out that it's the empathy molecule. It's
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the molecule usually testosterone goes down a bit when we
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have it. It's the moment you kind of open up
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to another human being. And it is because of these
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natural events that are part of our chemistry and part
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of our social relationship that we begin to see the
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value of other people, not just us being treated a
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certain way, and we spell those things out as rights.
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The natural ones, I know I'm hitting this again are happiness, harmony,
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and prosperity.
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No, well, yes they are.
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But the classic version of this in the Declaration of
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Independence is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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I'm glad that we made that distinction because they there
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was a point where they said property. No, we don't
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want that. We want the pursuit of happiness. Yes, to
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be the last thing in there.
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Yep.
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And I tried to slide one by you there by
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saying prosperity, but you caught it. Okay, okay, next point,
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self defense is social justice. That's a tough one, man.
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I mean, I'm with you on it. However, however, what.
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Uh, let's start here. Social justice means that you believe
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other people are being harmed or not getting what they're
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supposed to get right, something is being done that is
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pushing them down.
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Yeah, okay.
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Now violence is occurring, and you show up and you
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say I'm gonna take your gun, or I'm gonna take
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your club, or I'm going to take the walls that
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you have, the locks that you have to keep you
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protected and insulated from harm.
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That's me the third party coming in and saying, no, you,
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Jim and this other guy, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this.
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I'm gonna pose this thing on you.
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Yeah, the most fundamental right that you could possibly imagine.
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We talked about life, right, Well, inherent in that right
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to life is self defense. I have the right to
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protect my own person.
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Yes, you certainly do. I agree.
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Yeah.
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So this is kind of the ultimate social justice point.
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If you're gonna say to me, I'm a social justice
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warrior and I care about this happening to the poor
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and this happening to this. If you're going to speak
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up for those things, great, okay, fine, But if you're
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going to say, well, we're going to disarm a population,
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who are you disarming? Who are you harming? And who
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are the people maybe who might need self defense the most,
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who lives in the highest crime areas, for example. So
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I am arguing that self very simple is a very
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simple point. Self defense is social.
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Justice, okay, and I'm done with that, whether you're using
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a you know, AK forty seven or a club or
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just trying to reason with somebody and saying, look, you know,
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this isn't right the situation. So all of those three
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examples are social justice at a self defense level.
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Yeah, And self defense is the most basic.
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Of the most fundamental. We're going to call it a right, Jim. Yes,
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you have a right to self defense. Right to self defense,
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a non enumerated right or are I know I'm splitting
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hairs here, but you know it's important.
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No, it is a right to life, a right to
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life or right to life.
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There we go, arms defined. I'm looking forward to this one.
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This is going.
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This is an essential point to understand where we end up.
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The other novel thing I'm going to introduce today has
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to do with arms. So the Second Amendment protects the
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right to keep and bear arms. We'll get to keep
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him bear in a moment, but for now, what is
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an arm?
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Do you know what an arm is? Bill?
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Well, we will use the last example. It could be
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a gun. Okay, it could be a club, it could
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be it could be your fists. Okay, you know those
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are just sort of attached to you. You're gonna keep
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them one way or the other. Well, there you go.
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What do you have two of attached to you right now? Exactly? Ears? Eyes, arms, hands, arms, legs.
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Right, here's my arm yep right, I've got an arm.
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It's not the longest arm in the world, but I
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can extend the length of it, and I could extend
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my ability to hit with tools. I can pick up
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a club and that gives me even more reach and
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power and a guy of my height. For those of
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you that can't tell, I'm short, I'm just under five
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to six. So you know, a club might come in
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more handy for me in a given situation, or a
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gun might come in more handy for a particular situation.
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So the arms you're talking about are tools that you
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use to inflict harm.
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Let me say it this way, because harm is not
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part of the necessary definition right right self defense and
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security is. So this is what I want to say.
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This is my definition ready, tools that I can hold.
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Another word for holding is bare tools that I can
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hold that help protect my life. Liberty and property.
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Or pursuit of happiness. Well, we're jumping around there, because
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property and pursuit of happiness are We're enumerated the way
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that they are on purpose.
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Okay, I'm gonna they are, and the government shouldn't interfere
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with those things. So pursuit of it seems like this
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is important to you, So let me tell you this
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on it. Property is something that you can defend. Your
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pursuit of happiness is something the government isn't supposed to
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infringe upon. So the reason that it says pursuit of
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happiness in there is that there are a number of
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different things that you can do that are with your
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consistent with your values and your goals that the government
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should not make laws or regulations to interfere with your
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free ability to pursue those things. So we talk about
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pursuit of happiness and context of the government, because happiness matters,
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and your ability to go out and create and innovate
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and build and own and pursue personal goals, those things
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should not be impeded. So that's the pursuit of happiness part.
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We will reflexively jump back to property here in this
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conversation a lot, because that's the subset of things that
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you can defend potentially with violence to preserve your keeping
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of it or your ownership or its condition. Okay, And
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so in that case, we're not really talking about pursuit
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of happiness because we're not talking about a situation where
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somebody cuts you off in track and that suddenly justifies, Hey,
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you know, you made me late or you made me angry,
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and now I can go do something bad to you. Clearly,
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your pursuit of happiness was just interfered with, but you
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wouldn't be justified in doing something violent in response to that. So,
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for now, tools that I can hold and that would
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be bear that help protect my life, liberty and property.
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Okay, I can get behind that. And okay, I hear
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you out there people who have a different idea of property.
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That's fine. But I'm comfortable with your definition. Sovereignty big
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word important, meaning, Yeah.
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I believe in self government. I'm responsible for myself. Sovereignty
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is over something, so I rule myself, I rule my body.
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But the debate that we have in politics has to
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do with who is the ultimate sovereign, who makes the
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final decision, And the concept of the state suggests that
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there are a number of things that other people and
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participate in ruling over me and they become sovereign. But Bill,
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with the Second Amendment, it's abundantly clear that sovereignty is
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with the human, the person. It says that the right
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to bear arms. Here are the keywords are going to
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be very confusing to people. Shall not be infringed, shall
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not be in frenched. So shall is a word of insistence. Yes,
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it's like will okay, and infringed. I want you to
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imagine a circle. Okay, And if you're just listening, in
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your car or wherever. Right now, I want you to
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imagine a circle, and it's like a bubble. And something
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hits the edge of that bubble, that's infringement. So I'm
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not talking about coming to live inside of something or
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popping the bubble or taking it completely away. I'm saying
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that even touching the boundary of it is wrong.
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So it is.
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Explicit and clear that the sovereignty over who has arms,
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who can keep and bear them, belongs to the individual
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keep and bear. So keep means I can own, I
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can possess. I can have it in my home, I
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can have it in a vehicle. I could have it
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in my hand. I can so I could store it.
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It is mine to keep and own. And bear means
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I can have it in my arm, in your hand,
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I can use it. It can be an extension or
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a tool, Okay, an extension or a tool of me.
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So they're very being very very explicit and clear here.
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The militia can't bear arms. It's a group of people, right,
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the individuals inside that militia bear arms, And it says
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shall not be in fringe, meaning that belongs, So that
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keeping and that bearing belongs to persons.
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They are sovereign in this decision, not the state.
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Not the state, just because I'm curious. So are there
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any other things like this where the individual is sovereign? Oh?
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The Bill of Rights is a great document because it
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spells out that every time we make these rights, they
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belong to you.
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So go back one amendment to the first Amendment, and.
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It says very simply, Congress shall make no law, which
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also seems to confuse even the justices in the Supreme
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Court who went to law school. Okay, they can't seem
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to be able to read that part because but one
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of the things in there is your right to peaceably
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assemble or your right to worship. Right, these things belong
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to you as an individual, your sovereign as to how
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they will be used and exercise. Others are not sovereign
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over you as to how they'll be exercised. This is
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explicit and clear.
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I think we should just stop. But Congress should make
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no law and leave it at that. I mean, I
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haven't for a long time anyway. Right, that could have.
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Been the whole Bill Rights. Congress shall make no law
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law that I love it.
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Right, this is about that abstraction again. We've got to
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start talking about the state.
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Yeah, so the state cannot. There's two points I want
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to make about the state real quick. They cannot guarantee security.
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I want you to hear two things I want to
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say about this real quick. When seconds matter, police are
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minutes away, so they can't be there all the time
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for you. That's why you would have an arm, a
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tool that was available to you at the ready. You'd
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be able to keep it so that you could bear it. Okay,
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And then there is absolutely no right to security or
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a response by the authorities if they don't show up.
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You can't sue them for taking too long. You can't
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sue them for failing to show up. Yeah, the Supreme
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Court's already ruled on this. There is no duty or
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responsibility for them to respond, let alone in a timely fashion.
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So the chances that you are on your own in
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a situation and might need to reach for a tool,
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and we called it a tool that I can hold
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that helps protect my life, liberty, and property. That's what
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an arm is. To have that tool available to you
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is to provide for your own security because the state
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cannot guarantee it. And the second thing I want to
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say is the state can absolutely be hostile to your security.
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It can do things to harm you, and it does.
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And so we have tales of police abuse and overreach
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and excessive force. We have tales of war and the
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things that happen in the context of war. And we've
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all seen just this year what the what ice, a
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completely unconstitutional agency has done to human beings, including American citizens.
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So they've shot three of them, now, oh more than that,
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more than that in cars?
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Yes, yes, so the.
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State can be hostile to security, and it doesn't have
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to guarantee you security. Okay, but let's return to this
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question of sovereignty. Let's talk a bit more about this.
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Because there's an article, and this is one of the
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points that you said at the top would be little
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known or rarely understood. This would be the first one
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of those points. I want to go to an article,
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spend a few minutes on this and talk to you
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about an article written by a guy named Gary North,
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who is now to see and there are people who
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do not like him, so just my raising of his
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name will cause some.
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People's hair to stand up.
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I don't believe that when I eat my chicken, I
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don't eat every bit of the chicken. Okay, I eat
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the meat off the bones, and I leave the bones
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and some of the organs on the plate. Right, there's
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only certain parts of the chicken I eat. Okay, you
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don't have to like everything that Gary North ever said,
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you can pick it off. And one of the things
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that he did he wrote to me a mount rushmore
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quality article on the Second Amendment.
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Yeah, it's good. People will take the time. It's worth it.
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It's called in Defense of the Second Amendment. It's five
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pages long and small print.
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That I printed out here.
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But I want to hit just some of the highlights
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that he has here because he is talking about how
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the Second Amendment came to be, why we have it,
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and what it means now, including a really, really super
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important point about practicality. So his argument starts off that
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in the feudal era, knights were the only ones allowed
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to have weapons, and the ruling class above them, peasants serfs,
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did not have weapons. They weren't allowed to have them.
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They also were exempt from serving in war though.
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Well, there the dwars were fought by the people who
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bore weapons, they weren't fought by the peasants.
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Correct, But there's an imbalance that's going on there. Some
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one class has weapons in the other, does it. He
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goes through all of this history in some detail, and
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it's really rather interesting. It's not germane to what we
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need to do here today, except to say that gunpowder,
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the arrival of gunpowder and rifles kind of corresponds to
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the end of an era where peasants are disarmed, where
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powers common people no longer cannot have weapons, and there
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were militaries. He tells this whole story about how as
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guns started arriving on the scene, conscription also showed up,
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and armies started including common people, and they learned how
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to use those weapons, and you couldn't put the cat
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back in the in the bag. Right after that happened,
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this actually then went right along with the right to vote,
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because the levelers show up again in the sixteen forties
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and they say, well, wait a minute, you're putting these
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people out there with guns to fight for the liberty
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the people. You can't take that away from them. They
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have now earned the right to participate in the governing
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and they should be allowed to vote. And so in
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the evolution of these things, I want you to understand
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feudalism goes down, gunpowder shows up. I'm not saying that
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one caused the other, but I am suggesting to you
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that one is on the decline and the other is
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on the upside. And that's probably not completely an accident.
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But as gunpowder and rifles become as arms become a thing,
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and regular people gain access to them, they begin to
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demand the right to vote.
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And so that goes along with it.
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Now, Gary North fast forwards past this point into the
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American Revolution. Do you know how many major battles George
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Washington won, leving you a hint.
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Like two two for those who aren't watching.
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Trenton in seventeen seventy six, by surprise in Yorktown in
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seventeen eighty one, by the French Navy.
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Well, he got credit for things. I don't know if
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he actually saw this won them he got credit.
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For, yes, But the majority of the American Revolution, the
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reason that we won is that other people and other
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locations were using guerrilla warfare, and there had been a
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deal in warfare previous to the fact that a group
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of colonists had guns that you didn't shoot officers. But
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we didn't honor that deal. The American colonists did not
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honor that deal. In fact, they would see the officers
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and they would cause confusion in the ranks by shooting
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one of them up.
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On a horse.
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They were big targets that didn't stay that way very long.
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But there was another area of the wharf of the
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guerrilla warfare that was highly impacted by this fact, and
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that was they couldn't go from the city out into
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the country and raid for supplies because they would get
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shot along the way either coming are going.
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That is, the British couldn't, could not right, they were
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basically depending on ships to bring them.
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That's exactly it. You got it, one hundred percent. They
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had to have supplies shipped in. So now they're sitting
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down making the Bill of Rights, and they wrote up
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an amendment that was based on this colonist behavior, this
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peasant ability to be able to own arms, because nearly
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every American did. It was part of being on a farm.
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It was part of our culture and society to have
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that ability, and it equalized and allowed us to defeat
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the strongest army on Earth. Wouldn't be the last time
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this happens Afghanistan. For the Russians, so Soviets, Vietnam for
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the United States, it wouldn't be the last time that
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that kind of thing happened.
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Arms are an equalizer.
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But the most important point that he makes now in
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the midst of all of this history, and I believe
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I marked this, so I would like to quote it.
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The citizens of the United States are so far removed
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from the citizens of the American colonies in seventeen seventy
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six that it would be inconceivable to organize a military
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resistance to the central government. I do not suggest that
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this be done. I do suggest that there is a
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relationship North goes on right between the ownership of firearms
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and the assertion of political sovereignty. I do insist that
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the right to keep in bare arms is a symbolic
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affirmation of the ultimate political sovereignty of individual citizens over
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the central government. This was understood in seventeen ninety and
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it should be understood today. And he concludes, I do
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not think it is.
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Based on the facts. That seems like a reasonable conclusion
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to me.
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I agree, So please not like there's these weekend warriors
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or these people that fantasize like, oh, well, we could
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stand up to the government, and that's why we have
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these arms now.
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The central government's pretty well armed.
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And it wouldn't be a good thing if we did,
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or that's the way we handle things. There's all kinds
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of things we'll get to work one that Frederick Douglass
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noted in a moment. But there's all kinds of things
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ways that we can respond in the system that we have.
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But we act freer because of it. And I want
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to make a direct comparison. I'm hoping to have a
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guest on a future episode who was in Australia during COVID,
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Because in Australia you could not The lockdown lasted for
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over five hundred and fifty days, and the lockdown rules
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said that you had to stay within a certain distance
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of your home and you could only go out for
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a certain short period of the day for reasons that
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had been approved. So you're basically imprisoned in your own home.
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And if you questioned this on social media, you or
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you protested, you could be physically harmed, including arrest and charge. Now,
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why did this happen in Australia. Australia doesn't have a
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Second Amendment and they had already confiscated a significant number
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of the guns so I'm suggesting that North is right
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that this symbolic representation. There's some thing about the fact
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that you can have a gun that makes all the difference. Here,
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here's how he words it at the conclusion of his piece,
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firearms are marks of political sovereignty. North rights they should
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be defended on this basis, not on the basis of
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some hypothetical revolution which is not going to take place.
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I am saying that such a revolution is not necessary,
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he continues, precisely because the people do possess the right
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to keep and bear arms. We will put that article
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down in the show notes so you could read the
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whole thing for yourself. I think that conclusion is one
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of the most important things that's been written by anybody
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anywhere on the Second Amendment.
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I also want to talk about an old friend. I'll
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not talking to him in yours.
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But Larry Pratt ran gun owners of America for a
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long time, and he saw the Second Amendment as an
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essential right. Now, what do I mean by that. I
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don't mean that what you might think. I mean that
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he thought that it connected to everything else, kind of
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playing off of what North just said. And this is
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the second point that I think is rarely understood that
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the individual right to own and control tools was inherent.
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It's a capitalist right, it's a First Amendment. The Second
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Amendment defends a first set of First Amendment rights. It
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defends a host of other rights. It reinforces and says
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out loud, we are free, and we can not just
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bear but keep. We actually can have things. And these
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rights are things that we own. They're part of us
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as persons. They define us as essentially a person. And
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so he believed that his organization. We worked with him
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several times over the years when I was running Downsize
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DC full time, we worked with him on a still
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do with Gun Owners of America. He's pretty much Larry's
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retired now, but we worked with him again and again
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and again. He was one of our partners, and we
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took a case on campaign finance restrictions Paul VFEC, all
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the way to the US Supreme Court. So he saw
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his Second Amendment defense is not just guns. He wasn't
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just a gun rights organization. It was a human rights organization.
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And this was this if his approach was, if we
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don't have the right to keep in barns, what do
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we have? It's the door to as far as he
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was concerned, to all others, it connected.
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So would he say that the right to keep in
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bear arms is like somehow over all the other rights
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that we have to keeping bear stuff.
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He would say it was essential and it was illustrative
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of everything else.
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I think.
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So it's like a it's like a symbolic right, but
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it's not symbolic because it's it's real. Yeah, but and
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actually own things underneath that umbrella. Court might one day
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be asked to decide when are not owning pets, you know,
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to keeping bear pets?
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Yes, you know.
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Yes is enumerated, but not enumerated specifically by name, implied
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by the enumeration of getting bare arms.
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Yes.
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Yes, I'm stretching here, but.
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I think you're on track.
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And I think the other thing that's obvious in all
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of that is, at the end of the day, if
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they just simply are going to target us and say no,
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and we as a people say wait a minute, you
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shouldn't have done that, that enough of us could form
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a militia and resist. I'm cognizant of the point that
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I think it's no, there hasn't been a moment to
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do that in our lifetimes. As Gary North just pointed out,
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it would be unwise, it would not be shrewd, but.
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There's something about having that kind of says yes.
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So I'm talking to a retired now the retired deputy
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Shaff one day and I knew this guy well enough
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to have this conversation, and I asked, if he got
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an order to go door to door and confiscate weapons,
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would he do it.
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He's a big man. He wobbled and almost fell over.
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It hit him like he's like, oh well, He's like,
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my job requires me to follow orders, but it would
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go against my values and I'd be worried. This is
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what he said, that I might not make it home
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one night if I did that. I am suggesting that
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that concern on his part is healthy, and it was
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missing in Australia during COVID, and it's missing. By the way,
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Bill as we're getting into the next point, and makes
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a great segue in the issue of slavery. Slaves are
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prohibited from having weapons.
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appreciate your support. So zapp the state and to have
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a nice day. Gun control is racist. I have heard
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this before.
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It is true, and I'm going to demonstrate it to
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you now. It's inherently racist. I don't want to just
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say it's racist. It's inherently, definitionally racist. So this is
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the rarely understood point three. You said there were three
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points at the top that most people don't know. This
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is one of the ones that doesn't tend to get
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covered very much. I guess we could say the grace
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point arrives early today. Yeah, here's our grace point. Okay,
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gun control is racist. I'm going to make a distinction.
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I just learned this recently and I can't get it
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out of my head. I've talked with my son about
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this several times since I saw a video where a
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guy described the difference. An African American gentleman described the
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difference between prejudice and racism. Prejudice can take a lot
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of forms. Joe Biden one day stood up and said
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something about how it was amazing how well, Barack Obama
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could talk the implication being in kind of his old
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man prejudice way that you know, a black man shouldn't
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be able to articulate. So well, well, we look at
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Joe and we say he's old, you know, he's from
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a different time, and we recognize some prejudice there, but
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we know that he's not racist, right, He wasn't implying
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that Barrock shouldn't be president.
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Yeah, there's no hatred involved here.
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It's just kind of an ugly, out of date view
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that you believe you're better than somebody. There's some kind
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of supremacy there, and you're kind of making commentary on it.
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Well, this is America, man, that doesn't exist. No.
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Prejudice is probably located in every human to some degree.
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Yep.
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But racism is a different kettle a fish. It is
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prejudice plus policy. Let me say that again. Prejudice plus
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policy equals racism. What I mean is that there are
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types of bigotry that are more threatening or harmful than others.
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Racism is kind of like the worst. It's basically like, Okay,
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I have prejudice and as a result, I'm willing to
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activate the government or some other violence against humans to
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keep them from living, enjoying their life, their liberty, or
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their pursuit of happiness.
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Right I am.
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You're describing the hoa that towes the car, you know,
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that's properly marked and identified, and.
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But I'm describing it happening specifically because of some form
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of bigotry.
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Well, then there's the hoa that won't let people of
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a certain skin color.
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Okay, there we go, right, there we go. Okay, that's
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what racism is. So racism takes everything up to a
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different level. In other words, the state, in this particular case,
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power gets exercised to advance a prejudice against a class
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or group of people's that's racism. We're talking about people
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not being able to get you know, having damage done
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to them by the state.
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Okay, so give me your definition again, just so I'm
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with you.
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Prejudice plus policy, prejudice, prejudice plus power.
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Right, well, prejudice plus force, i'd say, but force.
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Right with slaves, the way it looked is they said
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they took away reading. They didn't want them to learn
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how to read, to keep them disempowered. They didn't want
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them to be able to possess any property, let alone arms.
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We'll get the arms a little bit more in a second.
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They restricted their assembly abilities. Right, So these things were
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taking that we consider to be fundamental human rights were
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taken away for the power of the people who claimed
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to own them, slave owners. When I say that gun
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controls inherently racists, I stand on incredibly good ground because
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Harriet Tubman, were she here, or Frederick Douglass, were they here,
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would agree with me. They know that one of the
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main things, all the way back to the Constitution itself
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and what defined a militia was defined specifically to keep
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them on the outside because of their skin color. These
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were a set of powers that were granted as rights
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to free white people, free white men in particular. Okay,
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so we progress, and we can say that we can
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if we take out the power, the policy, the force,
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like if we can pull that out.
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Harriet Tubman used arms.
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She took arms with her when she went to liberate
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slaves by the way, which she did several quite a
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few times. And Frederick Douglass initially believed that the Constitution
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was a racist document.
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He agreed with William Lloyd Garrison on this.
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But Lysanders Spooner, famous marka anarchist one of the first
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a hero said, No, that right belongs to every person.
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The fact that it spells out that a human right
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exists there means it applies to everyone. It's no accident
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that they're taking it from you. They are dehumanizing you.
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He needs three essential arguments. One, the possession of arms
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was incompatible with slavery. Two, it was a natural right
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and thus illegal to disarm a human the right itself,
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that second Amendment was evidence of why the Constitution was
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a document opposed to slavery. They could begin to use
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that document that way. And it wasn't just Frederick Douglass.
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As time goes by, another African American shows up on
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the scene named Martin Luther King Junior, and he too
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points back to the founding documents and says, you are
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not living up to your creed. You were not living
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up to the contract you spelled out in writing. So
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Spooner is pointing the way, and Frederick Douglass goes, holy crap,
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I agree. And three the third argument, it's hard to
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keep armed men enslaved. It's hard to keep armed men enslaved.
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So these were the three arguments at Spooner made. Douglas
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was moved by Lysander Spooner's arguments, and he goes further.
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He makes two more First, he maintained that marginalized groups
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required physical means of protection, so he viewed arm self
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defense as a fundamental necessity against post emancipation racial violence.
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Blacks in the South experienced tremendous violence, and part of
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how that was able to be carried out was the disarming.
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The origin of gun control laws in the United States
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was to keep guns out of the hands of black people.
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And two after the.
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Civil War, Douglas famously stated that securing true freedom, I
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love this line. I love this here's a guy that
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gets it. Okay, this applies no matter where you're at
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on the libertarian spectrum. By the way, you could be
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all the way to anarchists and still agree with this.
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Securing true freedom for newly freed people required three pillars.
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The ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.
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The cartridge box being the way you carried the way
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you loaded the bullets into the ammop Okay, and so
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the fact that you could vote, the fact that you
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had a right to a jury, and that you by
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the way you could void a bad case, like the
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jury could nullify the case that's in front of them.
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And the cartridge box. These were the things that you get.
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And by the way, I hear echoes of Larry Pratt.
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I just spoke of guns America moments ago in this statement. Right,
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this right is part of the whole humanity picture. And
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if we go back all the way to the beginning
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of the show, this was essential to life. It was
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a self defense was a very very fundamental right.
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Something interesting to me is that they instead of saying
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self defense is fundamental, the framers put it into context
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that was concrete.
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Oh I like that, right, yep. They said that to arms,
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they said, this is what it is.
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You got a gun. That's a fundamental tool of liberty.
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Okay.
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So to wrap up our point, real, SI, I just
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want you to remember five words. Disarming regular people is wrong.
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Not just fire them. Okay. So you mentioned promises up
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in the front of the show. Here we got to
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deliver on a couple of them. Still, well, the main
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one is coming now. It's not just firearms.
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Yes, so everybody, and we even slipped into it, both
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of us did individually.
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During the course of this episode.
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We described guns as arms, and this is how everybody
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thinks of it in the frame. But I gave you
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a definition that said it was a tool of self defense. Okay,
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you had a tool that you can hold that means
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bear that helps protect your life, liberty and property. Okay,
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00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.480
so what else can you carry? I want to go
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back to a story that I first originates in twenty twelve.
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We have a Facebook video link to this from twenty
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fourteen that I will share in the notes, and if
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somebody has a better version of this, they can s
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to me and we will replace it. Okay, I'd be
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happy to put a better link than the quality than
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the one we've got. But it's the story of Marcus
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Jeter in Bloomfield, New Jersey. He gets arrested and the
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police beat him up. He's got his hands up in
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the vehicle, and they accuse him of attempting to flee
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the scene, which goes beyond the evidence it's available. They
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beat him up even after they have him cuffed, and
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they accuse him of attempting. In fact, they've got it
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on recording. One of the officers is doing the narration that.
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Many police officers do. Why are you reaching for my gun? Stop?
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Resisting that type of routine and he takes a beating.
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But another cop had come around the wrong way, pulled
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up and hit his vehicle, which was not in the police.
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Report, actually ran into his car.
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Ran right into it, and his camera was on and
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it caught all of the activity in reality, not just
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the audio recording that they were providing, of the narration
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of the cops behavior at the scene. There were three
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officers involved in this. First, I want to say Marcus Jeter.
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All charges against him were drop when the film came out. Second,
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there were three officers who were subsequently tried and found guilty. Orlando, Trinidad.
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He was convicted of official mixed conduct, conspiracy, falsifying public records,
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and simple assault and received a prison sentence of a
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mandatory five years before parole eligibility and legal appeals subsequently
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upheld the decision. Sean Corter also got five years for
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very similar set of charges, and Albert Sutherland, the third
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police officer on the scene, pleaded guilty to falsifying public
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records in are in agreement to testify against the other two.
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There was a civil settlement that paid Jeter one point
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six million dollars for the violation of his federal civil rights.
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If the film had not existed, says in this report
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that we're linking below, he would have been in prison.
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It was not an If it was a definite, there
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is no way he would have gotten out of it.
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I think this story illustrates a point, and things have
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changed even since then that was twenty twelve in such
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a way that I say can make a point. It's
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a point that I have made in a variety of places,
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but never as part of the central dish like it
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is today. And it's a point that I've made to
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quite a few friends in conversation in more dramatic fashion.
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This is the first time I've come to Gray Sarky
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and shared this point, and I think it is not
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only novel, but revolutionary. And that is the Second Amendment
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is about arms, not just guns. The Second Amendment is
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about arms, not just guns. I hold in my hand
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a device. This is a mobile phone, and on it,
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as you can see, is a camera. And it can
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film video, and it can take pictures, and it can
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record audio and the best that it can do, and
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it is a tool that can be at the end
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of my arm, it can be part of my arm
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it's attached to me, that allows me to bring social justice,
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that allows me to protect property. That sends a signal
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to people who are working for the state as their
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employees that they need to be careful about the violation
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of my rights because this exists and it is a
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legitimate tool of self defense that does not physically harm people.
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So if I pull a.
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Gun, which is a valid tool of self defense, and
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I shoot it, there will be a whole bunch of
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questions about my ability and my wisdom in having done so.
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But this does no physical harm. This device that is
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a part of me, that is an arm, can provide defense.
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Cameras at the scene of market Jeter's to arrest saved
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his life and led to a proper civil judgment. Cameras
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should be treated with special Second Amendment power. We should
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expand our understanding bill of the Second Amendment to include cameras.
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Just the ones at the end of our arms, though
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not the ones on those poles that are like the
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flot cameras scanning the police.
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Those don't belong there. I'm talking about your ability to
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bear arms. I'm talking about your ability to record a scene.
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So I put something in your hand and it's now
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an arm or could.
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Be could be an arm, and I want to I'll
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just throw out this appeal.
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Here, are there any lawyers in the audience.
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I would like to see a federal law that protects
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the individual right to keep cameras and bear that right
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to bear the right to record public officials in their duties,
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in their in their public duties, the ability to be
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able to monitor and record those things.
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He wants advice. You want that enumerated, right.
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I want it enumerated.
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I want and in fact I wanted Congress to speak
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because the judicial brands tends to defer that. The way
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we should understand the Second Amendment now so that it's
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no longer a novel theory, the way we should understand
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it is that this device is also on arm. The
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ability to film from my phone camera is also an arm.
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It is a tool. Let me go back to the definition.
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Let's see if it fits tools that I can hold
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that help protect life, liberty, and property.
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Right. So here it is, and this should be considered
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a tool an arm.
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This tool right here. So if you're a if you
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know how to do this, if you know how to
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write this law, and you want to do it. You
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want to take a stab at it. You know, I'm
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interested in seeing what we could do with that.
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I'm interested.
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We've got the Congress shall make no laws.
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Problem, Congression making no laws.
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I know, I know I'm be facetious, okay, but the
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bottom lines, they haven't made any laws for a while.
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It's all been driven down from the executive for eighteen years.
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I would like to see I'm asking right now so
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that the Supreme Court has a hook or something to
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grab onto you, because they won't do it on their own.
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I would like Congress to say, this is what the
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situation is. These devices, which, by the way, Ice has
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been swiping out of people's hands and beating people up
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for filming, and this administration has been backing that it
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should not be every government official ought to be put
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in their place by this device. They should be following
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the law at all times. They should be abiding by
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our rights, which are part of the highest law of
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the land at all times, because they know these devices
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are ever present.
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No, we don't need a new law then if it's
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already happening, all we need is a case.
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No we need Well, that could work too, somebody could
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You're right, you're right, somebody could make an argument like this.
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I would like to see attorneys begin arguing that there's
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a Second Amendment right to bear phones, to bear cameras.
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I would like to see that as part of the right.
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I mean, we already have and sort of implied rights
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because we can visually see we ask witnesses, well, we
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saw Jeter and this, and people standing around can say,
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you know their version of the story too. That's different
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than bearing arms that you're talking about and including a
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recording device, specifically a video camera as an arm that
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could be tested right now. Oh we need I agree.
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A piece of legislation by Congress would be one way,
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and a case that actually made this argument would be another.
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And I would hope the Supreme Court would want to
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take it up. People could start writing academic articles about
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this idea. I think this is a revolutionary theory and
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it's a much more peaceful way to hold the state accountable.