Bonus Episode: Navigating the Nest: From K-Success

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today at weezteas dot com. This episode of Vice Principal
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in Office is a bonus episode to celebrate the launch
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of the new podcast, Navigating the Nest from K to Success.
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This new podcast is the collaboration between a few fellow
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podcasters from Control Shift, Lead Vice Principal and Office, and
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from Carpool to College. Together, the podcast hosts will bring
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perspectives from school leadership and college guidance, enriched with unforgettable
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real life tales from the hallways. Whether you're a parent,
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an educator, or a student, This new podcast is designed
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to provide valuable insights, hearty laughs, and the confidence you
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need to navigate the nest successfully. Now, let's get learning
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with Navigating the Nest from K to Success. First episode
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charting the course GPS insights for K twelve to post
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secondary success.
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Hello and welcome to Navigating the Nest from K to Success,
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your essential guide through the exciting, challenging, and sometimes comically
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unpredictable world of education. Each episode we bring together a
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unique blend of perspectives from school leadership, college guidance, and
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the unforgettable real life tales from the hallways. Whether you're
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a parent, an educator, or a student, Prepare to gain insights,
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share a laugh, and confidently chart your course from kindergarten
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all the way to personal success. It's time to navigate
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the nest.
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I'm Adam Bush and I'm thrilled to be your host
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today as we bring together three incredible shows to dive
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deep into the world of education. We've got from Carpool
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to College, Vice Principal on Office and Control Shift Lead.
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Today we're tackling the big questions. How do we prepare
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our students for what's next, how do we build stronger
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connections between school and home? And what's the administrator's crucial
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role in all of it?
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Now? Crew, that sounds like an awful lot. Are we
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really ready to tackle this challenge today?
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Oh?
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Yeah, let's give it a shut.
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Well, let's start off with just giving a quick glimpse
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onto what everybody's show is. And if we have some
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listeners that are crossing over, is the point of this
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show here today, then maybe we'll pick up something else
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is another show to listen to. So, Tracy and Tara,
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do you mind giving us a little glimpse into Carpool
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to College?
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Sure, I will start. I'm Tracy Amideo, I am the
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founder of Academic Mentoring LLC, and we have a small practice.
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Tara and I started a podcast about three months ago,
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four months ago, Tara, and it was out of necessity
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because we find that parents of middle school and high
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school students where we are in New Jersey, we're both
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public school educators as well, it's our day job, are
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really lost and anxious and flooded with information yet underinformed
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when it comes to college and career planning. We're not
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just college planning, but we're career planning as well. So
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we put our talent and heads together and here we
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are at from carpool to college.
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Can only imagine how helpful that podcast would have been
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if navigating this is a parent just kind of listening
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to everything that's going on and being a having a
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platform to ask questions that are like for to real
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people like yourself. So I appreciate and plaud you doing.
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I wish I would have heard of this a while ago, though.
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That's thinking the same thing. I got one kid left
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before they're heading off to that decision. So yeah, getting
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a little bit of information for you that is just amazing.
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That is awesome. Lisa, how about you?
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I'm Lisa Hill and I had the podcast vice Principal
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on Officed. I've been in education thirty eight years and
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then I retired twice. The reason I started the podcast one,
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it's a little therapeutic. But the second reason is I
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don't think the average person understands how hard education is
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in all the craziness that happens behind the scenes. So
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it is a comedy. I do have a disclaimer because
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I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. But life is
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crazy and school is tough. So I do this through
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humor and tell some stories, but there's also a little
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nugu and of knowledge that I share to help people understand. Yeah, educators,
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it takes a lot, a lot to get through the
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day and educate today's child.
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I've heard so many educators say that you can't make
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this up right in that book that every one of
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us could write. And yet I don't know if anybody
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would actually buy the books. I'm not sure they'd actually
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believe it. But this stuff actually happens, it does Jim?
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How about control shift lead? What does that bring to listeners?
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Well, we try to keep things meaningful and manageable to
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professionals and the educators and principles out there where we
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want you to have walk away with every podcast with
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something they can control. We at least it kind of
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alluded to this a little bit. You can kind of
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lose sight of what you can and control and you
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think that you are out of control a lot of times.
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So we want to help keep well, keep things to perspective.
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So what can you control? And then maybe something that
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will shift your thinking or challenge your thinking to look
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through a different lens about how do we build capacity maybe,
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or what are those tangible things that we can actually
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influence but we have to change some of our paradigm
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or the way we operate and it comes. And then
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also just something meaningful, manageable and tangible of leadership, so
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that the lead part of that control shift lead is
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really is how do we lean into some of the
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things that we have to navigate as a principle, but
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also keep it in perspective about the leadership role of that.
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So when you take all three of what we just
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talked about right there, I think this is like the
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ultimate come together power podcast.
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I love it and I'm excited about it, and I'm
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ready to get going.
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What do we think? Crew? Are you ready for our
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first topic? It's roll It's role.
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Okay, well, let's kick it off with this first critical topic.
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The world is changing rapidly, and so is the educational landscape.
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Our students are stepping into a future that looks vastly
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different from even a decade ago. So let's discuss the
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evolving landscape of education preparing students for the future. Taren Tracy.
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Perhaps we can start with some insights from carpool to college.
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I mean, how are families navigating these shifts.
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talked about it. It's not really eased yet, but it
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will be soon. And we came across an infographic from
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the World Economic Forum in which they put out a
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plan every two years, a report of up and coming jobs,
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jobs that are on the way out, and what's going
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on with the workforce. And one of the things that
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we really found interesting is that no longer are we
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sending our students off into higher ed saying well, what
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do you want to do with your life? What do
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you want to do? What major would you like to
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be a part of. Now it's more well, what skills
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do you think you'd want to show later in life?
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And what skills do you want to work on in
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order to prepare for a successful career, successful college, you know,
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four years at college. And of course we can't not
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say AI in there, because that's really a huge factor
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contributing to this major shift. And so how does that
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trickle down with what Tracy.
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And I are doing.
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When we're working with the families of students getting ready
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to prepare for college, we're no longer asking them some
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of the questions that would have been asked years ago,
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and we really have to dig deep and try to
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figure out their skill set and where do they feel
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confident in certain areas certain skills, So it could be
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always it's usually always coupled with some sort of technology,
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but those skills need to be applicable to not just
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one major, not just going into education or going into medicine.
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Now they have to kind of pivot in any way
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and be ready.
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For that flexibility.
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So I think Tracy and I were really I feel
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like we could have done ten episodes on this topic about,
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you know, how do we prepare our high schoolers and
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even going it's so far back as middle school to
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get them ready for this changing landscape. And I feel
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like it's really just you have to keep your pulse
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on it, and you have to you're you know, just
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a good focus on everything that is happening on a
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much more you know, It's not something where you can
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just Okay, this is what we want to do for
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the next four years. I have a feeling that students
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are going to be changing their ideas as they make
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their way through, even from year to year in the
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college setting.
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So I don't know, Tracy want to add on to
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that for sure. And we're seeing anxious parents as well
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because they they don't know what they don't know. And
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the whole crux of our podcast is I think Jimmy
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is saying this that we don't want parents to ever
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have to say, oh my gosh, I wish I know
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then that now.
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So when we talk about and we see that families,
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especially in our neck of the woods in the Northeast,
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are outsourcing college planning and it's it's such a paradox
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because they have the world that are we all do?
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We have the world at our fingertips.
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We have too much information to overwhelming.
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It's too much and what does it all mean? So
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Tara and I in our in our practice academic mentoring,
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we really work through that combination of I have a
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clinical background. So the family, first student, first child, first
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paradigm versus what does IVY want to see? You don't care.
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I'm not going to curse. We're gonna keep this g rated.
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But don't care. What is going to be the path
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that is going to allow a child to engage and
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flourish in the world. And we don't we're not soothsayers.
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We don't know what the world's going to look like.
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We know it's going to have a heck of a
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lot more technology, and we need to be prepared to
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have that technology infuse in every facet that we study,
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whether it's through college, whether it's through vocational, wherever your
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next steps are. That's what we're seeing over here.
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Are you finding the parents you work with they're from
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a different generation where high school's preached everyone's going to
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college and that's shifted and so I are you finding
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that parents just don't understand that their child, they might
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not their their final job that they're going to retire,
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might not even exist yet likely doesn't exist yet.
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Yeah, look at us with our genord gen X, and
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you know, homeland security was not a major when we
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right well nine to eleven. Was that shift similarly A
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and big data and data analytics. We're not around when
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we were, so parents only have them, only have that
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frame of reference. But we know it's a bias as parents.
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Tara and I both have kids and my two boys
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in college, and certainly we were not in education. If
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we weren't doing this, we would only have the gigantic
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interns and in our own personal experience, and that from
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whatever we hear on the sidelines at baseball, which which
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is not health you want to be at counter or
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counter force to that.
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It's interesting as you're talking there, just it brought back
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a memory here. Just a few weeks ago, I was
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talking with a friend of mine who's got a son
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that's heading off to play college football there. And as
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a former head football coach, I had many, many, many
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conversations with players heading off to play college football in
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the past, and you know, I always reminded them about
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the fact that this isn't playing a sport anymore. Once
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you get into the college level, it's about it's a lifestyle, right,
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you are completely adjusting to why life is for you. Well, then,
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Halsen and Don he used to think I was pretty
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knowledgeable about this. I could really talk about it. I
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used to work for a Division one football school. I mean,
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YadA adi YadA, right, I could do all of those things.
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And then he started asking me about what about NIL, like, oh, yeah,
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there's that whole new thing. And every single time you
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think you have it, Iena's quote unquote experts, it just changes.
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It changes and changes and changes.
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It is. Actually the next next Wednesday, I'm meeting with
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a former student of mine who is an NIL attorney
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to probably partner. And my concerns are, do families know
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what they're getting themselves into? Do bese kids know? And
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and btw, last I checked, it's still an education, right,
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so let's make sure this kid can graduate in four years.
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It's not the academic scholarship and not be leaving with
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a loss. So it's so true.
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What a great topic to add to your show. I mean,
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if I'm I don't have anybody in that arena, but
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if I did that, another great reason to listen to
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your podcast. I'll try.
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Well, we're talking a little bit about connections and maybe
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it's a good time for us to go on to
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our next topic here. So our next topic is communication
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and collaboration or bridging the gap between school students and parents. So, Lisa,
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from your experience with vice principal and office, what are
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some of the biggest challenges and successes that you've seen
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in fostering these essential relationships that we're talking about.
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Well, often parents only remember what high school is like
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for them, so they can't understand how much education K
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twelve education has changed, and so their lens is it's
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a little foggy. But one thing I did when I
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was doing my research for my PhD, I actually went
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into the prison system and interviewed former students to say,
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what can we do differently in K twelve school? What
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did we miss? You're here, life happens, but what could
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we do differently? And the themes I found with the
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students would be to understand students ask care for that,
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they need nurturing and the world knows very very fast,
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and not all parents can do that. They're busy, they're working,
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you know whatever in life. And so to bridge that gap,
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I've had to spend a lot of time with parents
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helping them learn how to parent or how to communicate
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with their child. And on the same end, I have
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to help teachers understand how to communicate because they don't
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take the time to say, oh, I just need to
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say hey, how are you doing today? And use your
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name and then that will help build that solid foundation
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of culture because that's what kids need. They need to
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feel connected and we could bring the parent in, but
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if the kids not connected, what doesn't matter. So bridging
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that gap, it's taking care of people. Most schools are
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bigger than many small towns in different states, and we
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have a very small group of people trying to run
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this town. So there's a lot of spinning plates and
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you're running back and forth, but you have to take
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that time and keep your thumb on your pulse on
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where where are we at with the culture? How are
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kids connecting? Yeah, you can do pot lucks or provide
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pizza for this or that, feed people all that sort
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of stuff, But if the child's voice isn't at the
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table and they don't feel heard, I don't know how
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we get them connected. And we need to because the
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whole idea behind K twelve school is to get them
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ready for that next step. Like Taren Tracy, you're talking
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about where am I going to go after I graduate
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from high school? Because I think often high school it's like, Yep,
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here's your diploma, see you, good luck. But there is
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a bridge over to post secondary life, and we have
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to continually talk about that and help kids understand because
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in their world they're only thinking about the thirty minutes
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in the day and what's going to happen after school.
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They just don't see the connections. So I think helping
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parents aim kids with what Karen Tracy are doing is fantastic.
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But it comes back to that nurturing and cares because
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once you have that, and I think they're hooked, they
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feel safe and they got to feel safe in schools
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and schools on are always the safe at places right now.
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What I really like about your podcast is that you
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take everything what you just said about connecting with kids,
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connecting with parents, and you do it in a lighthearted
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manner as well, because it's it's while it's a very
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serious matter, serious job, serious approach to how we operate
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with students and their parents, you also bring in the
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humanistic approach to it. So we have the title of students,
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we have the title of parents, we have the title
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of principle, we have all these titles, but when it
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comes down to it, we're humans first title second, whatever
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that title might be. And that's why I think that
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you take that approach when you're a comical way of
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taking real life matters and bringing into a learning opportunity.
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I was just talking with a couple educators yesterday and
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I said, it's K twelve school their children. We have
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to have fun and if you can't laugh, then why bother.
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I mean, you got to have fun on the job,
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and kids for forty hour work week is going to school,
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and so you do have to laugh. And I think
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if K twelve educators didn't laught, they'd go crazy with
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some of the things that we see because some are
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very heartbreaking. But that's why we have to nurture kids
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and just establish that foundation. It's not about pound of flesh.
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You can change behaviors through caring for students.
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Not about a pound of flesh. Because we have educators
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right now who are just struggling. Their emotions are kind
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of blocking them there then they don't know what else
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to do. And we know that in the absence of
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new knowledge, we always fall back to our lowest level
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of training, and that is to bidding out what age
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we are. But punitive isn't really winning anymore. I mean
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punitive hasn't changing the behavior, and so the value and
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the importance that we have to evolve and change into
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or evolve into.
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What.
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So how do we and what you're just describing there
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is really kind of what we have to do is
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lean in.
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I had one new teacher and they said, if you
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could give me any advice, what should I do this year?
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I said, greet every child at the door, used their
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name and my one something, just one little nugget about
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them that you can talk with them about. So he
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started to do that and his attendance went up, behaviors
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went down, Kids were engaged, kids, more kids were signing up.
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The kids were voting with their feet because this teacher
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cared and he had fun with them and it was
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a tough course, but it worked. And he said that
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was the best piece of advice I ever got, because
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kids were like, this is amazing. This guy is fun
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and a very tough subject. And all it took was
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just hey, how are you doing today, Jim Bob, here
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we go.
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I think about that at the middle school level, that
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the connections that you just what Lisa's shared out so
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important that is to those kids.
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Yeah, it really is.
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I will never forget one year. It was a challenging
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group and there were a lot of students in there,
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and all it took was going to a few of
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their games, their baseball games or whatever, basketball games, and
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it changed the entire year, the entire culture of the classroom,
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and it just made for such a wonderful connection with
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those with those kids. And I will never forget that
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because it was fun for me too. It wasn't just
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okay for them, you know, it was a little awkward. Oh,
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here's my teacher coming in. I wasn't expecting to see her.
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But it was fun for me to see them in
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a different way, and it made all the difference.
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Well, I think that's the point. And Lisa, you started
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to talk about this before. Yeah, we can have these
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big events, but it's the little stuff that we're talking
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about here that makes such a huge difference. And we
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weren't going to swear in this podcast. I want to
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mention the word COVID. Sorry Jim, but I remember when
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you personally would do little, you know, tidbits of stuff
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for families during that time. It was very simple. It
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wasn't anything overly efficient. You sent it out on social
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media or something. If I remember right, we might have
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to describe for our listeners of what you did there.
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But it's something little, something really simple, but it goes
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such a long ways and it probably means more than
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that big event does in the first place.
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The podcast that I did there or it wasn't a podcast,
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it was a live videos. See. I don't even know
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what the technology terms are. That's why they had to
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be simple. But that was the time when we our
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parents couldn't come into the building and they didn't know
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what was going on, and so I started doing the
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five minute little live broadcast whatever they wanted. So it
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was a focus of how do we connect with the parents?
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And I think in education we always want to say
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just trust us, just trust us, and what's their kids?
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They're not going to just trusts, So we have to
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lean into that, and we lean into that by listening
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to their voices, like how do I get my kid
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ready for school? Parents are trying to they are trying
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to do the best they know how. They are doing
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the best they know how, and if we don't lean
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into and listen to what they're asking for, then we
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all are missing out and we're causing the problem. Sending
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a newsletter isn't going to be that communication that they need.
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It's got to be the human touch, just like Lisa
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was kind of leaning into. It's that humanistic approach with that.
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I was thinking with my middle son. I remember talking
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with him constantly about the next step in college? What
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should you do?
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And you know, all of those conversations that every parent does,
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and I just I knew where he should go, and
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he just didn't want to listen to dad. But you
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know what, that one teacher said pretty much the exact
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same thing that I was saying at home, and all
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of a sudden, now that's the right thing, that's what
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I'm going to do. And sure enough, that's what he's doing.
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And fine, whatever, I don't know I need to take
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credit for it. I was just glad it happened. But
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that's what it was. It was just a teacher that
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he had a good relationship with that took that five
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minutes to have a conversation going to do next year?
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What do you want to do next year? And all
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of a sudden it became his idea and then that's
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the future. And it's just that's fun to see that
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happen all right, Well, I think that brings us to
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our final but equally crucial topic, and that is the
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administrator's role in student success beyond high school. So we're
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just talking about teachers, talking about all of us having
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that impact we can have on students. Jim, coming from
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control shift lead, how do how do you see administrators'
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best positioning students for long term success not just within
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the school that they're in, but as they move into
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whatever that's going to be in their post secondary life.
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I kind of summarize it into one word intentional. If
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we think about what we need to get to accomplished,
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we need to be intentional. So often the biggest misstep
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that administrators make is they don't make the time to plan, plan,
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What does it look like whatever school they're at, What
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does it look like for that child's experience all the
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way through by looking through their lens, What is it
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experiences look like for the parent all the way through
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that child's experience wherever school they're at or wherever system
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they're at. And so in the absence of that, in
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being intentional with the planning and structure and what does
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it look like, we're we're putting out fires, we're responding
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to phone calls. We have emotions running high for students,
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as Lisa mentioned, for parents, as Taren Tracy mentioned, it
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is it is, it's constant about we have to be
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intentional and then it didn't share that knowledge with everyone.
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When your child leaves, they enter here, when they leave,
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this is what we want them to be prepared to do.
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about our students first of all leaning into being human,
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but also that we talk about being able to handle
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an adjusted change and change is scary for everybody. We
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talk about that, so use our thesaurus and what about
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if we focus on evolving instead of changing, because that's
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what we've had to do as administrators and educators is evolved.
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I didn't know what COVID is, I didn't know what
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AI is was. I didn't even know what Lisa will
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be with beyond this. Sorry, I didn't even know what
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the internet was when I started teaching. I mean, I
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didn't even know what chatting was other than talking. So
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we think about it. We have to evolve and then
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lean into the social media because they're not going away
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and they will evolve. They have evolved and so we
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need to make sure there are students are evolving with that.
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So what does that actually all mean altogether? If the
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student walking away from the schools that I've been part of,
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having the confidence to know what are those options out there?
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How do I navigate it? What does the paperwork look like?
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I mean, as a parent of a high school student
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that just graduated, what does concurrent rolement mean versus AP
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courses versus act versus SAT what does all that mean
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in the world? And knowing where to go to get
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that information? And so when it comes to an administrator
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in how do we prepare our students for that? It
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is preparing this staff to know that we all have
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to not only evolve, but we have to model what
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that looks like and then be be clear with when
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we are making that shift, controlling what we can control,
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making this shift when it comes to needing to and
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then leading by example all the way through that.
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So I never had a problem reaching out to my
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kids principle well part of us, because I was their
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principal for a little while, so.
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You know, that made it pretty easy. It just kind
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of just kind of do a circle.
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But if I am I mean Tracy and Tara, if
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you're coaching parents on reaching out to get additional help,
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and sometimes, like I said before, it's just you need
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to hear a different voice, you know, or another voice.
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How do we bridge that gap? Because whether we like
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it or not, it's like when I bring a kid
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into my office to try to talk with them, it's
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still the principal's office. Whether I want it to be
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or not, it still is. And so sometimes that that
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burriers a little hard to get over. And it's also
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that way for parents. The principal's office doesn't always have
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a great feeling to it for a lot of people,
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how do they get past that? How do you how
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do we bridge that gap in that communication.
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So we always talk about, you know, relationships are everything, right,
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We know this as people of a certain age and experience.
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It really comes down to relationships and for being able
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to mentor students and parents. So we encourage parents to
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reach out to their kid's favorite teacher who's always you know,
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you know, the kid will tell when the kid comes
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home from school, there's always a name, there's always one
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teacher who's that standout right an email reach out, I
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as a school counselor, I veryly believe that the central
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nervous system of every school is the school counseling department
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tied to the administration. It's like it's like the brain
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and the spinal cord school counseling and administration. I mean
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even there's sometimes even roll crossover where you're playing good cop,
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bad Cup, and there's just it's such a strong network
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that the school counselor is critical. And it's tough because
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Tara and I as independent counselors their private practice, school
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counselors are often vilified. Well, I don't know who my
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kid's school counselor is, and you know, it's this mystery
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person behind a curtain. And we never vilify our school counselors.
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We even had that on our website. We know school
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counselors are the most busy, stressed, over utilized resource at
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a school and they're sorry they're not there to answer
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every single question about college planning because they're assessing for
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suicide risk, or they're working with a parole officer who
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just happened to not you know, not announce their visit
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the third time. So you know, so we encourage the
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connection through any means possible listen to your kid. Who
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are they talking about That that's your mentor that's your connection.
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Doesn't have to be a principal. It could just be
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that one of those teachers or coaches coaches.
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Yeah, I like how you leaned into that, and you
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use the word vilified because as a principal to be
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the same concept of you'll never see my child in
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your office. I've never heard that. The very next day,
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that kid was in my office. We were taking a
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selfie and I was asking them which parent do you
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want me to send this to? Because you know, as
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I'm sending it out, because it's like this is a
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safe place, just like the counselor or the office is
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a safe place, and we need to make sure that
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people are clear and what the purpose of it is.
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And this, like I said before, in the absence of
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the truth, people are going to make stuff up. Absolutely,
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So we have to be very intentional about telling our
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story and where it is not just as a counselor,
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not just as a principal, but just an education in general.
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So during COVID, people want our kids back in school
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because they're the educators, they're the professionals. They know how
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to educate our kids. Now, three years later we got
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because we don't say anything, we got people saying what
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books to read, how to read them, what to teach,
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what not to teach, and all that. And the part
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of the problem is educators are so humble that they
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don't they don't they don't celebrate. We're like, oh no,
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we're humble people. This is just what we do. We
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need to stop that, and we need to be start
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selling breading a little bit more, even the smallest things
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about how we how we are celebrating our kids, how
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we are supporting the kids, how we are supporting them
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each other. And in the absence of that, people are
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going to start telling the truth that we need to
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rise up as educators and start telling the story a
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little bit more. Obviously you hit a trigger button there.
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I was with that, but I certainly knew Field it's
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so very important that we do that.
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Yeah, it's funny. I won a couple of awards this
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year and I'm not tooting my own horn, but you.
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Could too your own horn. That's right to your own horum.
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I won Counselor the Year, and then two weeks later
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I won like a Lifetime Achievement.
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You earned, you earned?
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Yes, do you know what my school did? Nothing? It
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was a it was an announcement at a poorly attendant
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faculty meeting. And you know, I wasn't expecting anything anyway.
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But to your point, Jim, we are so we're such servants.
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It's so hard for us to take a step back.
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And now Tyer and I are entrepreneurs as well. That's
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a whole other ball of wax being an entrepreneur, servant, educator, counselor.
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So like, there's a lot of role confusion within us
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in our positions that I think if you said being intentional,
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we need to be intentional in all of our roles,
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in our multiple personality disorders, if you will, in our
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multiple roles, where we are, where our boots are on
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the ground.
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I'm glad to hear Tracy say how counselors are. I've
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always said they're the heart of the school. I wanted
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them at admin meetings because they do have a pulse
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on the school. I got pushed back throughout the years,
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but I thought it was super important. If we're gonna
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raise test scores and improve all the student data, then
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we got to have the counselor at the table because
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they really know what's going on. And to Jim to
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your point about evolving, I think some of the problem
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is we are in a human service field, so we're like, okay,
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we'll just we'll take care of people. But we get
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inside and school leaders right, and we think, and of
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course school leaders can be competitive, but we just have
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to take care of our own little world instead of districts,
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making sure that we're not in silos so that we
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can take care of the child from kindergarten all the
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way through into post secondary life. Because one principle might
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have great ideas, but if they're just in that silo,
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then we're not getting the transition to the next grade
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level or the next building. And that's something I think
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we need to work on in K twelve education.
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You have to be intentional with that too. Culture doesn't
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doesn't happen by what does happen by accident? You know
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what would you hit with that? But you have to
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be intentional so we don't get the silos and we
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have that systemic approach. Great great comment there.
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Now this may be a topic for a new episode,
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but if i'm you know, brand new teacher coming in
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listening to this, I may see if I can get
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out of my contract. Just unfortunately, like, wow, did I
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really sign up for all of the Yeah? Yeah, because
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it is that's the multiple hats that we're wearing, right
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or the multiple personalities. I like the way you said that, Tracy,
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that was great. But just in a quick nutshell, Lisa
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or Jim, if you are the administrator with your new
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teacher coming in and they've got that glassy eyed look
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of fear listening to all of this stuff, or would
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what's a quick little win that a brand new teacher
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coming into this can help their students and start feeling
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that success and then build upon it from there.
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Well, like I said earlier, learning kids' names right away,
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don't tell me in October you still don't know all
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your students. You can learn the names, greet them, know
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something about them, use their actual name because that will
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increase engagement, decrease discipline, so you can have some control.
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Because kids want to police teachers that they like. They're
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ornery when they don't like somebody, and they act out
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with behaviors because they can't explain why they're behaving that way.
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So that would be my advice. Take care of kids.
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Learn their names, get those connections teaching. You'll get there.
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It's fine. Kids are resilient, It'll be okay. So quit
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focusing so much. That's an instructional strategy actually to learn.
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You do that one first, then to me, everything else
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will fall in place.
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Educators want to be perfect right away. New teachers want
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to be even more perfect because they want to show
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that they earned the job and so forth. Go back
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to what Lisa said, take the time. Teaching will come.
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It doesn't happen overnight, and we have to learn with them.
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They also have to have that environment to have that support.
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And so when you education, I'm going to tell you
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the truth has been I have loved ninety percent of
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everything in education. Really. I mean there's ups and death,
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but I really have obviously stated in it for so long,
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but it actually was what got me. It was what's
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saved to me as a youth. And so it is
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such an ode inspiring. I mean this is two days ago,
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you know, when we're recording this. Two days ago, I
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was at the funeral of that one teacher I think
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Terror or Tracy were talking about that one teacher who
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was the difference maker for me in nineteen eighty three
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and has still been in my life in twenty twenty five,
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and you just passed away, and it's like all inspiring.
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You don't have that with any other job. You know,
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there's just just not there. And so take the time,
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learn the students the education that the instruction will come
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as you grow.
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All right, crew, Well, as far as I'm concerned, this
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has been a fantastic discussion we've had today. On this
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episode we're calling navigating the educational Journey from K twelve
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leadership to college bound success. Before we go, I was
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hoping maybe we could quickly hear one key takeaway from
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each of you. So, Tara, how about you start us off.
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What's something you hope listeners remember from our podcast today?
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I would say that it's just that keyword of connection.
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And no matter if you are in the middle school,
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high school level, administrative level, I think as teachers we
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thrive and we love connection and when we're able to
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really focus on that, everything else kind of falls into
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place as best as it possibly can.
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I love it. I love it. Tracy, how about you?
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What's something from your perspective?
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I love when Jim is talking about the evolving versus
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changing and I think in I think every every stakeholder
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in this, from teachers to administrators, to counselors, to children
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to parents, all evolving, and let's give ourselves some grace.
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Lisa, what's your core message from today.
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I hope that educator's, parents, administrators understand. Yes, it is
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all connected, like Tracy said, and it is about getting
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children ready for post secondary life. So it's just not
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the K twelve experience. And how do we make those
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connections all the stakeholders to understand the job is to
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get that diploma in hand, but then take them across
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the bridge and at the next stage of life. And
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there's just so many moving parts, and we talked a
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lot about a lot of them today and I hope
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people can walk away with that, Oh it is, it's connected,
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it is evolving. As Jim and Tracy mentioned.
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That's really good. Jim kind of wrap us up a
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little bit. Well, I had something and then Lisa gave
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me something.
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That's always how it works, right, I was getting chosen
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last and he got to adjust.
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Right of all, Jim, of all is I'm going to
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take what Lisa just said there. It's it's more than
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just a K twelve because I look going to I mean,
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I think that my takeaway is we got to be intentional.
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But and one of the things that as a coach
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to school district leaders, it's it's not coming in and
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telling the district leaders how to do their job and
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then leaving. It's about walking with and when I heard
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Lisa give her synopsis, it's it's really about here's the information.
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We're going to walk with you through this experience, and
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then when this student is you know that one little
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further step, we're going to walk with you to that
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next journey beyond twelfth grade. And I think that's so
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powerful because this group of people that I'm in this
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podcast with not only as we're talking about stories about
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your K twelve experience, but we're talking about being intentional
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with walking with the parents, walking with the students, walking
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with the administrators, so that that next journey isn't isn't scary,
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and it's not a leite, it's an ev andflow.
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Well, thank you everybody for sharing your valuable insight today
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and thanks for letting me host so I could just
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kind of listen to everybody talk.
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That was perfect to my little talk off to the side,
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and I have to share too much. That's awesome. I
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love it.
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I probably should say my takeaway. My biggest takeaway from today,
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honestly is the fact that even if we think we
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might know what it is, it's going to change, and
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so constantly evolving and being prepared to evolve, I think
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is huge. Just like all of us didn't have an
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idea of a PODCAS cast twelve months ago, and here
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we are together in two different time zones, throwing this
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thing to try to put something out there that people
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can use, and again having an open mind and having
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some courage to do something new. I think for our kids,
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especially getting that trade to be something they develop is huge.
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I think that's just awesome. Greach Well again, thanks everybody
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for listening today, Thanks for joining us for this special episode.
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If you enjoyed today's conversation, I highly encourage you to
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check out our individual shows we have from Carpool to
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College with Tara Harts and Tracy Amadeo, Vice Principal on
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Office with Lisa Hill, and Control Shift Lead with Jim
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Wichman and myself Adam Bush. You can find all of
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these podcasts wherever you listen to your podcast. So until
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next time, keep navigating that educational journey, and thank you
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for listening to us today. Thank you everybody for joining me,
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thanks for having us.
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Thank you, And that wraps up another episode of Navigating
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the Nest. We hope you've on valuable insights and a
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dose of inspiration as we explore the diverse facets of
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the educational journey. Remember to subscribe and leave us a
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review to help other navigators find their way to our nest.
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Join us next time as we continue to guide you
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on your path from K to success will kits.
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The dismissal bell is ringing, So until next time, on
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Vice Principle on Office, push in your chair, put your
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name on your paper, be kind to your classmates, put
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your phone away and use your indoor voice or not.
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Thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoyed the tales
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from Vice Principal on Office as much as I enjoyed
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sharing them. And it is also my hope that you
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are not only entertained by this episode, but they walked
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away with the little nugget of knowledge that gave you
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some insight on how working in a school is not
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for the faint of heart. And as I've said before,
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life is short. So you got to do the best
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you can to leave the world in a better place
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than when you got here. And of course, for the
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love of God, see the humor in life. It's a
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lot more fun and a little easier to get through
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the ick in life with a smile on your face.
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Catch you next time on Vice Principle on Office. Next
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time on Vice Principal on Office. Join me your host
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Lisa Hill on September ninth, as I sit down with
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my co host and my mom to take a hilarious
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and heartfelt trip back to when she started school over
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eight decades ago. Hear my mom's stories of chalkboards, recess games,
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and school days that make today's classrooms look like science fiction.
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This is Vice Principal on Office like you've never heard
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it before, So tune in September ninth for before she
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was my mom, she was a student Nana school days.
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Hey students, I mean listeners, Thank you, thanks again for
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tuning in, and if you've enjoyed today's show, please leave
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me a review. It really helps grow the show. And
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don't forget to hit the follow button so you don't
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miss an episode. Trust me, you don't want to be
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late for this detention and listeners. If you've got a
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school story of your own that you think would fit
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Vice Principle on Office, I'd love to hear it. Just
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head to my podcast website and send me your story,
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and who knows, your story might even get a shout
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out in a future episode. Thanks so much for listening
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and for your support. Vice Principle on Office is an
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independent podcast with everything you hear done by me Lisa Hill,
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and support it through buzz Sprout. Any information from today's show,
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along with any links and resources, are available in the
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show's notes, So if you want to do a little
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homework and dive deeper into anything I've mentioned, head over
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to my podcast website and check it out. And a
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big thank you to Matthew Chaiam with Pixabay for the
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show's marvelous theme music, and of course a huge shout
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out to my mother. This podcast is for the purpose
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of entertainment only, like the recess of your day, and
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not a platform for debates about public education. No, you
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never know you can learn something, and just a reminder
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that the stories shared in this podcast represent one lens,
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which is based on my personal experiences and interpretations and
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also reflect my unique perspective through humor. Names, dates and
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places have been changed or omitted to protect identities, and
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should not be considered universally applicable until next time, Keep
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laughing and learning