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Speaker 4: Night after six, good morning to you. Welcome to Wednesday on 5AA Breakfast, the 28th of October. We have a jam-packed program this morning. Have a listen to this. We're going to be talking more about the Crows childcare venture that if you missed yesterday, our jury was highly sceptical of. We thought it felt a little odd as a diversification of revenue for the Adelaide Football Club, but they're getting into the childcare business in Mount Barker. The mayor is going to join us to discuss that after 6.30. The Business Council of Australia says SA is the best place to do business. This is a measure they use to determine how much regulation and red tape there is in the way of doing business. So it's a specific area of it. South Australia is the best. Does it surprise you as a business owner in South Australia? Maybe you think it's gotten a lot better. We'll be chatting with the Business Council a little bit later in the morning. We're off to Tel Aviv because in the next 30 minutes, polls close there. We don't do a lot of Israeli politics, but this one will have ramifications for Australia and the world. Benjamin Netanyahu looking to be returned The polls have it on a knife edge. We probably won't know this morning because they always do coalitions. But in the event he is kicked out, what does that mean for the war with Iran? What does it mean for the policy on Gaza? What does it mean for the way the world treats Israel and that part of the world? So there's lots that will come out of that, and we'll get into that after seven. Sean Fuster, David Koch, Tony Blair's former media guy, Alistair Campbell, who hosts, I think it's the most popular politics podcast on planet Earth. The rest is politics. It's going to be a big morning, Stace, and good morning to you.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 4: A lot of politics going on. A lot of politics. I was thinking last night, are we slipping as a media? How has the Torrens to Darlington story not yet had a gate affixed to the end of it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Is it Torrens to Darlington gate? Is it the cumbersome nature of T2D? T2D gate. T2D.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't roll off the tongue, does it?
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Speaker 4: It doesn't roll off the tongue. Bikey gate?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, bikey gate.
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Speaker 4: South Road gate?
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Speaker 5: South Road gate, yeah.
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Speaker 4: I feel like once upon a time we would have had a gate on this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Earlier in the week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: We want to know from you this morning on 8223 0000. Text us on 0408 1395. Put gate on the back of something that is an issue in your world.
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Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 4: So, for example, last night I was getting berated over a cupboard door gate.
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Speaker 5: Oh, are you one of those?
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Speaker 4: See, you're already against me. Why do you leave it open? I didn't even say anything else. You knew the scale of what was going on and the story.
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Speaker 3: Just.
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Speaker 6: Close it.
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Speaker 4: I'm not aware whether they're open or closed.
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Speaker 7: But when you take something out and you've completed your task at that cupboard, just close it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I move straight on to the next task.
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Speaker 5: Oh, man.
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Speaker 4: Cupboard door gate in our household was getting a good run last night.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay. At the moment, we're milk gate.
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Speaker 8: Oh.
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Speaker 5: We're going through a lot of milk.
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Speaker 4: Like Molly related?
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Speaker 5: Yes, Molly related.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 5: And- I don't know why, but it's neither of our responsibility.
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Speaker 4: To get milk. So you're constantly out of milk.
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Speaker 5: Constantly out of milk. So, yeah, last night Ben had to go down to the shop to get milk.
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Speaker 7: And I think we don't buy enough at the grocery store, so we probably need to, you know– amend our processes and procedures throughout the week. Maybe we should get ICAC involved to do an evaluation, not an investigation.
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Speaker 4: It's not an investigation. No, it's an evaluation.
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Speaker 7: It's an evaluation of our milk buying processes to prevent late night milk runs.
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Speaker 4: Your milk procurement process. 8223 0000 or 04808 1395. Describe something as a gate-style controversy in your world.
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Speaker 7: I have a theory that every house has a dishwasher gate.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: Because there's one person, I've seen a meme that says this, there's one person that stacks it like a Swedish architect.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And one person stacks it like a drunk raccoon.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm the raccoon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I figured that. You didn't have to tell me.
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Speaker 4: You've been doing the show for long enough now. Some things are becoming clear.
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Speaker 5: I would never understand how you put something in and you don't take.
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Speaker 7: Note of where it goes. So then for next time, you just know it goes back in that same spot.
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Speaker 5: But no.
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Speaker 4: No. A lot of people texting and saying South Wales should be Tunnelgate. That's a good one. Tunnelgate. Phil and David, Tunnelgate.
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Speaker 5: Tunnelgate.
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Speaker 4: Thank you. This one's interesting. Somebody says, I keep getting told off for leaving the gate open. So I actually have Gategate.
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Speaker 5: Gategate.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Rob says, should we pay for our roads? Tollgate, which leads to, do we rename tollgate?
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Speaker 10: Tollgate.
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Speaker 4: Which is a good point. Becomes very confusing in that point.
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Speaker 5: Oh, Simo in Canmantoo has ants in the caravan gate.
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Speaker 4: Ants in the caravan.
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Speaker 5: That's quite specific.
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Speaker 4: Simo, we need more information. That sounds like a humdinger of a fight.
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Speaker 5: Can you prevent ants in the caravan? Maybe you're leaving the door open.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Leaving food around.
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Speaker 4: Someone had honey.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Crumbs? Doesn't take much.
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Speaker 5: Not cleaning up after yourself?
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Speaker 4: Doesn't take much.
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Speaker 5: Oh, Machiavellian gates.
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Speaker 4: Machiavellian gates.
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Speaker 10: Yep.
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it's suggested to me that the Premier reads more Machiavelli than you're reading Machiavelli, I think, which is not a great thing.
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Speaker 7: I just thought it was interesting to hear the Premier's hierarchy of where things sit because he said it's local government, state.
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Speaker 5: Government, federal government, God, then the AFL. And I thought, well, maybe that's how you see the world, but it's not how I see the world.
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Speaker 4: You don't have the AFL above God? No, not in my life. The AFL has the AFL above God. Albo has the golf sewage works gate. Yes, he made them. The Mayor Colfer, yes, that oversaw it with regard to $ 6 million. $ 6 million? Staggering amount of money. 8223 0000, kept the text coming in as well. What is a gate-style disaster, controversy, scandal event? Low-level scandal would be great. What's the lowest-level scandal that we can affix gate to to make it sound like it's something very, very serious? We'll get to some more of your suggestions right after this.
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Speaker 3: All for you.
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Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: 19 after 6, thanks to the creativity of listeners, we've resolved the issue over the South Road gate suffix. Tunnelgate is what it shall henceforth be known as. And now we're taking suggestions for low-level gate-related dramas in your world. Michael and Ross Trevor is on the line. Morning, Michael.
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Speaker 12: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 4: What's your issue?
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Speaker 13: Then what do we talk about then when it comes to the brand of Squeaky Gate with that olive oil brand?
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Speaker 5: Oh, squeaky gate gate.
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Speaker 13: That's going off on a tangent. But, you know, it's interesting talking about gate is probably not many people realize that Watergate has a funny place. It's actually located in Washington at a neighborhood called Foggy Bottom.
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Speaker 4: Is that right?
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Speaker 14: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 4: Have you been to Foggy Bottom, Michael?
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Speaker 13: No, I deliberately didn't want to go down that path.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 13: But it is interesting that we talk about Gators associated with scandals, and then the location of Watergate in Washington, D.C. is at a place called Foggy Bottom. It's really ironic, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Good on you, Mike. It is peculiar the degree to which the name of a hotel intricately linked to a U.S. presidential scandal has become... just shorthand for scandal in Australia.
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Speaker 5: There would be people who use the term gate not knowing the.
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Speaker 4: Significance of it. Absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 6: And where it came from.
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Speaker 3: Watergate, yeah.
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Speaker 4: All right, there's some good gates coming through on the text line.
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Speaker 3: There are.
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Speaker 7: Mike in Taringi, and I think this is one in every house, where did you put the remote gate?
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Speaker 5: Why do TVs only ever come with one remote?
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Speaker 4: So many hours of my life have been spent looking for remotes. It's sad.
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Speaker 5: It's really sad. It's ridiculous. Peter says, Western and Northern beaches, Sandgate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well, sand carting. It's 2026. We have artificial intelligence solving cancer and we can't fix sand on the beach.
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Speaker 5: Sand on the beach.
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Speaker 4: Can someone just type it into chat GPT, please?
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Speaker 5: Happens every year. It's just. Andrew, I have my neighbours filling my bin full of crap gate.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did that gate last week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. Brent, sorry, thanks for the offer.
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Speaker 7: He said, on Stacey's milk gate, I'll have to drop off a 10-litre bladder of milk to help out Ben. Yeah, he'll appreciate that. In the middle of the night, milk runs. That's Brent the Milky. And, oh, I like this one. Stacey, yours doesn't have to be milk gate, but simply we've changed our position on the amount.
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Speaker 4: That's a good point. Do you acknowledge the scandal?
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Speaker 15: No.
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Speaker 5: We've changed our position on it.
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Speaker 4: You've just changed your position?
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Speaker 5: We've done an evaluation.
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Speaker 4: How about this one? I was talking to my partner's mobile phone while cleaning our pool. I had the phone tucked into the neck of my T-shirt. It fell out into the pool. I tried scooping it out. It fell again. Third time lucky to retrieve it. I was in the doghouse for a week. We moved on to laughter after that and recovered the contents. Phone gate was suddenly born.
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Speaker 16: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Had to buy a new phone.
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Speaker 5: That's hard.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is hard. 8223 0000 for your gate-related dramas at home. You can text us 210 to 4808 1395. The weather for this Wednesday. What a variable feast. 6.6 outside at the moment. 6.6. 5.6 degrees. The apparent temperature is 5.6. That is a morning that would be entirely comfortable in early July.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, what's going on?
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Speaker 4: Top of just 18 today. Top of just 18. It is a cool one. uh then it changes a seven degree increase in our forecast maximum temperature as we move to tomorrow 25 the forecast top no rain looks like a pretty lovely day actually tomorrow and then we we spring is full spring uh friday 28 with a drizzle drops back to 23 on saturday with a shower or two uh Mostly sunny Sunday. Pretty good day Sunday. 25, the expected top. 27 on Monday with up to five millimetres of rain. And Tuesday back to 22 with maybe a drizzle around. But a lot of grizzly sort of inconsistent weather over the course of the next seven days.
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Speaker 5: Can't work it out.
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Speaker 4: Now, this is interesting. Paddy's got a query on this. There's some rumours about– we've got the round one fixture out now, the AFL season, and the AFL have made Thursday night football into a thing. Thursday night football is a very big, big TV night, not in terms of live attendance. People don't particularly love it because kids can't go. People in the country can't go. It's hard to get back for work the next day. Wednesday night football. Where do we stand on Wednesday night football, folks?
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Speaker 5: So round one, there's a Wednesday night game.
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Speaker 4: Wednesday night. That's right.
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Speaker 5: Footy is five days of the week that week.
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Speaker 4: Is there a Thursday night game in the round one fixture as well? There is. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I love Thursday.
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Speaker 5: And Fort with another Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, that's, yeah.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be.
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Speaker 4: Interstate sides who finish bottom six. Crows fans know this. You just get congratulations. Welcome to Sunday Arvos and early Saturday games.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Wednesday night football gate. 8223 0000. Do we think this is a good idea? Yes or no?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I love Thursday night football the moment they made it a thing. It just felt right. Wednesday feels too early.
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Speaker 5: Too early.
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Speaker 4: So the teams get named on a Tuesday then for that game.
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Speaker 1: Nah.
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Speaker 4: The rhythm of it. The rhythm of life is disrupted too much. I'm generally in favour of just more sport on more nights of the week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of people are.
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Speaker 4: But Wednesday night feels really early.
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Speaker 7: Maybe the Premier was right. The AFL is God. They just want people to talk about it all the time.
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Speaker 4: Oh, no, they do do that.
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Speaker 5: Seven days a week.
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Speaker 4: Midweek sport is for NBL games and Asian Champions League fixtures for Adelaide United. We should be playing Uzbekistan or something or other on Wednesday night. their local boonie-odd core or something or other. Wednesday Night Football, folks, yes or no? Give us the verdict. We'll just do a snap poll right now. 8223 0000 or 0408 1395. Snap poll, yes, no, to Wednesday Night Footy. We might get our first vote from the expert himself in Tom Wren, who's just joined us in the 5AA Breakfast Studio. Gliderol Garage Doors, over 50 years strong, all colours, all styles, all street appeal, gliderol.com.au. Do you like the idea, Renny?
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Speaker 6: No, it's a no for me. I quite like the Richmond Colton Thursday night. I'm happy that they're changing it up.
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Speaker 4: I don't mind it.
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Speaker 6: I think they nailed the gather round fixture, but I'm not sold on a Wednesday night.
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Speaker 8: You?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 4: It feels too early in the week.
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Speaker 5: Is it going to be a regular thing or is it just for round one?
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Speaker 4: There's a fixturing issue, isn't there?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Round one. There's some weirdness around the MCG and availability, I think.
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Speaker 6: I think that's it. And there's talk about Monday night football potentially as well, but I like Thursday night. I've come around to that, but Monday night I'm not as big. I know viewership would be amazing.
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Speaker 4: I'd take Mondays over Wednesdays. Totally.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd take Mondays over Wednesdays, but I'd keep Thursdays over Mondays.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 6: Wednesdays are midweek. It just feels like there needs to be a couple of days where we love sport nuffies overthinking.
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Speaker 5: I'd take Monday over Thursday over Monday.
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Speaker 4: We're going to release our days of the week tears to watch AFL football.
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Speaker 6: Now, remember we've had the talk about showdowns potentially being sold to the MCG and we.
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Speaker 3: Sort of laughed it off and fobbed it off.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Looks like Essendon's about to... sell its Dreamtime game, which is against Richmond. It's going to be announced today to WA. So I saw this.
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Speaker 5: Can you explain the significance?
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Speaker 7: I'm not totally across the Dreamtime game, but is it a big rivalry like the showdown?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's not as big as that, but they get 85,000, 90,000 fans there, and it's the celebration of, you know, Indigenous football and culture, and it's a big game. It's just a home game for two big Victorian clubs. And they're selling it to WA.
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Speaker 4: Who pays? Is it the WA government pays for this?
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm guessing it must be.
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Speaker 4: Geez, they've got too much money in Western Australia. Yeah, don't they? Just buying random games of football.
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Speaker 6: And what does it say about Essendon? You know, we always sort of say, yeah, North Melbourne, understand Hawthorne have gone to Tasmania.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely.
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Speaker 6: But where are Essendon?
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Speaker 4: Essendon, one of the big clubs in the AFL.
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Speaker 6: Maybe things are changing, aren't they?
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Speaker 4: Or have changed.
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Speaker 5: Do they need the money?
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Speaker 4: Probably.
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Speaker 17: Are they in?
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Speaker 5: Are they having financial issues? Do they need to get into childcare?
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Speaker 6: I think it's probably– I think they're probably just not the powerhouse. They're just probably not the powerhouse we once thought they were or they once were.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, they haven't been relevant for 20, 25 years. That's right.
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Speaker 6: And so, you know, your kids that are growing up now, they're still too young to get a team. But, you know, for the last 10 or 15 years, a lot of kids would say– Oh, my God, Fresno.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Because they tend to jump on the winners.
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Speaker 4: It does say something about, you know, in an economic sense, the natural free distribution of capital. There is spare capacity clearly in WA and there's excess footy in Melbourne. We've got a lot of teams there and there's a lot of money and a lot of people in Western Australia. It sort of feels like a natural realignment could occur at some point. Absolutely. Yeah, no doubt.
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Speaker 6: And people would laugh at you again probably a few years ago, but it's– Not out of the question.
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Speaker 11: No.
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Speaker 4: I totally agree. Hey, tell us about the cricket.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 6: So I was fired up last night.
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Speaker 1: You were.
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Speaker 6: I was sending you texts. You're probably asleep going, what if he texts one more time?
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Speaker 4: You were raging.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 6: And I don't think I was the only one. Australia's decision to bowl when they picked a spinner. So you pick a spinner to bowl fourth, to bowl last. And then we win the toss and we forfeit that right. We were bowling first on a road. We've ridiculed teams in the past that have come out to Australia and bowled first so they don't expose their batsmen. And that's exactly what we did. And South Africa had Australia by the absolute throat. One for 203. And then Mitchell Stark did this very late in the day.
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Speaker 3: There he goes again. Mitchell Stark.
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Speaker 4: 20 times. Five wickets in an innings in test matches for Australia.
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Speaker 3: He's an absolute champion.
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Speaker 6: Given the chance in this test match to come back, he has swung them right back into it. A great call. That audio thanks to Fox. So in the last 15 minutes of the day, he took four wickets. South Africa were one for 200. They were cruising. They were looking at 450, 500 plus. All of a sudden, all out for 329.
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Speaker 14: That's it.
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Speaker 6: Australia has to bat now. And this is it. So Pat Cummins, I mean, he was copying it. And I know that social media is a dangerous thing to sort of go by, but it was lighting up. And people were saying how this is embarrassing, worst ever decision by a captain.
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Speaker 4: And, you know, all the.
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Speaker 6: Decisions that the Australians have made and things they've done. He was copying it, Andrew McDonald. But Mitchell Stark may have just saved the day for them with that spell late in the day.
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Speaker 4: Maybe. It gives you a sense. If Australia gets bowled over 150 and we lose this test, all the build-up to summer is going to be unbelievable back here.
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Speaker 6: It could be career-ending. It's ironic, Will, that eight years ago, Sandpaper Gate ended careers. Same venue, very different circumstances, could end some again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well said.
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Speaker 6: So it's going to.
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Speaker 4: Be a fascinating few days. There's a lot riding on this next day of cricket.
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Speaker 6: They will be praying for one of these Travis Head rear guard hundreds in quick time to get them off.
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Speaker 5: To a flyer.
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Speaker 4: Well, we'll be watching with interest.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be amazing.
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Speaker 4: Looking forward to your analysis again tomorrow morning, Randy. Yeah, can't wait. Good on you, mate. Thanks, guys. We are getting a whole stack of texts through with people's thoughts on Wednesday Night Football. We'll reveal the results of our snap poll this morning. Do you like footy? AFL on Wednesday nights. One off. Ben Jordan made the point on the text line because the MCG is not available today. because of the 150th anniversary test that week. So that's why we're talking about Wednesday Night Football for that first round. Wednesday Night Footy. Too early? Well, just right. 8223 0000. Let us know. Results next.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown.
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Speaker 3: Metro Homes.
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Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: 20 to 7, 150th anniversary test means the MCGs aren't available and we get a longer first round of the AFL season. Wednesday night football. We're asking you, is Wednesday night football generally a good idea? The AFL likes to run these things up the flagpole. We're doing a snap poll at the moment. If you're just tuning in, 8223 0000 or 044808 1395 with a simple yes or no. Um, There's a few really good ones here. Dave Lloyd, I think, manages to articulate exactly what the problem with Wednesday night football is, though.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 5: No to Wednesday night football.
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Speaker 7: Thursday would feel like a Friday, but it isn't a Friday, so the whole week is ruined.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 4: That's the worst feeling in the world. When you wake up on a Wednesday and you think, oh, yes, it's Thursday, except then you're stuffed.
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Speaker 8: Yep.
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Speaker 4: That point on your week is out of whack.
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Speaker 5: Imagine that every week.
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Speaker 4: Broadly speaking, have we received anyone who likes the idea of Wednesday Night Football yet?
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Speaker 5: No, we haven't. Not one person.
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Speaker 4: To give you some indication of the way the poll's running. So keep your votes coming in. We might find someone who likes it. 8223 0000 for your thoughts. A lot of people called that number yesterday on a football adjacent story that we had for our trial by jury. This curious business venture with the Adelaide Football Club have partnered with Cool Beans to enter the childcare space with a football centric childcare centre to be constructed in the Mount Barker area. We put it to the jury, just asked people do you think this is good business or weird? I think overwhelmingly people thought it was odd for a football club. Notwithstanding, there is obviously a massive need for childcare services and a big need for all sorts of services in Mount Barker, the fastest growing part of South Australia. That much we get, it's just in terms of a decision that a football club would take. A high-risk enterprise, and if you're just trying to turn over a few extra bucks, there's got to be easier ways to do it. Anyway, that's the football side of it. David Leitch is the Mount Barker District Council Mayor and joins us now. Mayor, good morning. I imagine you're more interested in the manner in which this fills what I guess is a void in Mount Barker when it comes to this kind of service and others because, gee whiz, they can't pack any more people in where you guys are at the moment, can they?
00:20:49
Speaker 9: Good morning, Will. Good morning, Stacey. We can pack a lot more people in Mount Barker. And we're only 30% of the way through our growth cycle.
00:20:58
Speaker 4: So how many people have you got right now?
00:21:00
Speaker 9: In the town of Mount Barker itself, it's close to 30,000.
00:21:03
Speaker 4: So you can have 100,000?
00:21:06
Speaker 9: We're going to be, the region will be 100,000.
00:21:07
Speaker 14: Okay.
00:21:08
Speaker 4: So you've got a couple of, have you got one or two early learning centres there at the moment?
00:21:14
Speaker 9: We've got two at the moment.
00:21:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:21:15
Speaker 9: And there are other childcare facilities around the town. There's one run by the council. There's another independent one. So the people up here who move up here are all people like you two. They have kids and they're pretty good at doing it.
00:21:32
Speaker 7: And so is this going to be a new centre? childcare centre or is it an existing one that's rebranded?
00:21:40
Speaker 9: No, Stacey, it's going to be a brand new centre. It's being built by Leighton, who are reputable, very good builders of commercial properties up here. They're already doing some other work in Mount Barker. Then they'll come across to the Summit Sports and Recreation Park. We've got a piece of land there that's surplus to our needs and we'll be putting a brand new childcare centre. Even I could kick a footy from the childcare centre to the oval that we've got in.
00:22:06
Speaker 4: This is a weird question in the context of a childcare discussion, David. What's the Crows power fan distribution in Mount Barker like? Are you 50-50, 60-40? Where would you put the line at?
00:22:16
Speaker 9: It's 51-49 because the mayor is a poor power support.
00:22:20
Speaker 4: Oh, so you're a power majority. How do you feel about this sort of Crows brainwashing unit in the local childcare centre?
00:22:28
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, it is a problem, but you do know that the mayor does have some powers of his own. I will be, when I go up there to do the opening, I'll be saying the Crows are a very good team, but yeah, I don't mind having a bit of influence.
00:22:48
Speaker 4: So sounds like you're actually pretty well serviced for the childcare, David. If you could get someone, you know, anyone partnering with some other sort of public service or public good up there, what are you crying out for the most?
00:23:03
Speaker 9: We need something for the young people in this town to do besides looking at their screens when they come home from school. So one of the great things about what the Crows are proposing is it's not going to just be the childcare. They'll be holding training sessions up here with the kids. They'll be having things like the open parachute to support some of those children that struggle a little bit. There'll be all sorts of opportunities for children to mix with the AFL stars that they adore and there's a lot more to it than just.
00:23:33
Speaker 15: A child kid.
00:23:34
Speaker 5: Can you opt out of the Crows uniform?
00:23:37
Speaker 9: Well look, we're in a democracy here but I must admit this is a pretty strong step for the Crows to actually come up here and do this. It works in other states. The people that run Cool Beans already do this up in the Gold Coast very successfully and I can imagine there'd be quite a queue of parents wanting to make sure that the future young AFLW or AFL men's players, if you start them young, that's how to get them.
00:24:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one way to look at it. Thank you, Mayor. The Mount Parker District Council Mayor, David Leitch.
00:24:15
Speaker 7: I've got to say, I mean, we had this discussion yesterday. I think it's strange and I think it's a risky venture for the Crows to get into.
00:24:22
Speaker 5: It's not exactly low risk.
00:24:24
Speaker 7: But As a Port fan, if it was the only option for you, you'd send your kids there through gritted teeth going.
00:24:31
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say you'd quit your job and just stay at home and look after them.
00:24:34
Speaker 5: They would be on the cards.
00:24:37
Speaker 4: Now, Wednesday Night Football, the results are in. 25% of you said this.
00:24:42
Speaker 10: Look, largely yes, Will.
00:24:47
Speaker 4: Which means 75% said.
00:24:49
Speaker 18: No one thinks that this behaviour will be welcome, tolerated or accepted here in South Australia.
00:24:54
Speaker 4: So by the Minister Joe Sockarch measure, the nose have it, 75% of people are against the concept of Wednesday night football.
00:25:04
Speaker 7: I like this text. Morning, Stacey and Will, about the Crows childcare venture. Is that what they mean about organic growth? There goes another 25 to 30 years for a flag.
00:25:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, the rebuild.
00:25:15
Speaker 5: Waiting for the next generation.
00:25:17
Speaker 4: This is a long plan for the rebuild. Don't worry, the 2056 side is going to be dynamite. Let's go to Simon Timicky at the Weather Bureau. Simon, good morning to you.
00:25:28
Speaker 10: Morning, Will.
00:25:29
Speaker 19: Morning, Stacey.
00:25:30
Speaker 4: How's Wednesday looking for us?
00:25:32
Speaker 19: Yeah, look, certainly a very clear start to the day and a little bit colder than yesterday too. We've had an overnight minimum temperature 6.5 degrees at about quarter past six this morning. And around the suburbs, even a little bit colder than that, down to 4.6 degrees at Mount Lofty, 5.4 degrees at Parafield. Currently in the city, sitting on 7 degrees and expecting a maximum of 18 degrees. I think it'll be mostly sunny over the Adelaide Plains today. Looking at the satellite picture, though, a little bit of cloud pushing up from the south, just pushing up over the Fleurieu Peninsula. So we might see some of that cloud push up over parts of the southern suburbs and the hills at times. So a bit more cloud about those areas, but I think over the plains should be a mostly sunny day. Maximum temperatures around the suburbs, expecting 19 for Elizabeth today, 17 for Glenelg, 16 for Mount Barker and 18 degrees for Noarlunga. Things will get a little bit warmer over the next couple of days and plenty of sunshine around on Thursday too. A mostly sunny day with generally light winds tomorrow down to 10 degrees overnight, so not quite as cold as this morning. And a bit warmer too, 25 degrees the maximum for Thursday.
00:26:42
Speaker 17: Friday even a little bit.
00:26:43
Speaker 19: Warmer again, 16 degrees for the minimum, 28 degrees for the maximum. Probably see a bit of sunshine at first on Friday, but see some cloud increase. during the day and maybe one or two showers around later in the afternoon and into the evening and then on Saturday likely to be one or two showers around probably in the morning 17 for the minimum 23 for the maximum on Saturday still maybe a very slight chance of a shower on Sunday but most of the day should be dry I think 25 degrees then some showers to start off with early next week on Monday and Tuesday 27 for Monday 22 next Tuesday.
00:27:18
Speaker 4: Will Good stuff, Simon. Thank you, Simon Timkey there at the Weather Bureau. Let's head to Safe Bowl. Senior Constable Kimberley Broad joins us. Kimberley, there's been a crash at Vale Park last night.
00:27:28
Speaker 20: That's right. It was just after midnight. Police and Emergency Services were called to the intersection of North East Road and Ascot Avenue at Vale Park after a BMW sedan had crashed into a Stobie Pole. Now, the driver and passenger, they're two 16-year-old boys from Prospect and Dernancourt. They sustained minor injuries in the crash and were treated at a hospital. The intersection was blocked for two hours while police investigated the crash and cleared the scene. The driver has subsequently been reported for causing harm by dangerous driving and also driving unlicensed. He'll be summoned to appear in court at a later date.
00:28:04
Speaker 5: And there was a pursuit of a drive-in in Glandor last night.
00:28:08
Speaker 20: That was 10 o'clock last night. We had Southern District Patrol's attempt to stop a Holden sedan drive on Weymouth Avenue at Glandore after it was seen acting suspiciously in the back streets. Now, the drivers refused to stop and sped off, but Paulair ended up tracking the Holden as it travelled along Anzac Highway into the western suburbs before it came to a stop at a home in Finden, and the driver was arrested. So we've searched the car and allegedly located methamphetamine and other drug paraphernalia, but that driver's a 33-year-old man from Finden. He's been charged with driving while disqualified. dangerous driving to escape police pursuit and also possession of that controlled drug. So he's been refused bail and he will appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court later today.
00:28:52
Speaker 4: All right, good stuff, Kimberley. Thank you, Senior Constable Kimberley Broad there from SAPOL. Let's check traffic for the first time on this Wednesday morning. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is coming to Adelaide May next year. You can join the waitlist now.
00:29:08
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00:29:16
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:29:20
Speaker 4: 6 to 7, it's Kerala at smartwatch time. We have one of these wonderful products to give away. Stacey's got a wheel to spin. Every number corresponds to a birth year. If it's yours, simply be the first caller through.
00:29:32
Speaker 20: On 8223 0055.
00:29:32
Speaker 4: The number is 1800. which means the year is 1943. I reckon we've had 1943 a few times.
00:29:54
Speaker 8: Really?
00:29:54
Speaker 4: The weighted wheel theory is very popular among our conspiracy theorist listeners. And frankly, I count myself among them when it comes to the weighted wheel. There are some numbers that come up a lot. 1943 is a lot, which is great. But there's a lot of people born that time. They all deserve a Carol emergency watch. Heard from the Steeles the other day. Oh, yes. They looked like they were climbing a mountain somewhere. They're doing wonderful things.
00:30:13
Speaker 5: Having a great time.
00:30:14
Speaker 4: Good on them. They've created this great product for families that makes people feel comfortable and everyone feel happier and more independent. It's a great product. I think there's people calling through, so I don't need to spruik it anymore. They're already calling in the 1943ers. They get the drill. I think they get spun up once a week.
00:30:29
Speaker 7: Can I just read this text out quickly on the Crows Child Care Centre from Rob in Alberton? He says, As a Crows supporter living in Alberton, the Crows Child Care story reminds me of my three girls going to the local primary school and having a note sent home from school before the showdown, being told the kids could celebrate on the Friday by wearing their port gear or casual clothes.
00:30:49
Speaker 4: LAUGHTER That is excellent.
00:30:53
Speaker 5: That's gold.
00:30:54
Speaker 4: That is South Australia in a nutshell.
00:30:59
Speaker 5: You go to school in this suburb?
00:31:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:31:01
Speaker 5: You must support locals.
00:31:02
Speaker 4: You can wear your footy gear as long as it's this team or you can just wear anything else. Rob, that's brilliant. Thank you. Let's talk about something else that's– If not uniquely South Australian, it's certainly something that South Australia is number one on at the moment, and that is the Business Council of Australia's Regulation Rumble Rankings. So this is the method by which they look at the way in which red tape, regulation, and things make doing business more complicated. South Australia has finished top for the fourth consecutive year. Victoria's bottom. which Bran Black, Business Council of Australia CEO, just at first blush makes me think that this is totally legit. Bran, good morning to you.
00:31:45
Speaker 14: Good morning.
00:31:45
Speaker 18: Thanks for having me on the show.
00:31:47
Speaker 4: So take us through, because I reckon we'd probably have a few South Australian small business owners that might raise an eyebrow at this. What is it that sets SA apart from this regulation standpoint?
00:32:01
Speaker 17: So it's a really good question and what really makes South Australia excel is the overall quality of its planning system so that means we can get more homes built here faster but also the overall quality of its regulatory arrangements and we look at six different settings but specifically what stands out for SA is the competitiveness of its payroll tax rates and thresholds, its stamp duty and land tax settings, and then also its business licensing requirements, which are very comparatively low relative to other states.
00:32:36
Speaker 4: Okay.
00:32:37
Speaker 5: So it's purely about owning and operating a business in SA.
00:32:42
Speaker 17: That's absolutely right. And I acknowledge what you said before in terms of there being a lot of businesses that would no doubt be saying, well, I'm doing it tough right now. How does this reflect where I'm coming from? What we would say is that where you've got better settings for regulation and for planning, that means you've got a better prospect of riding through tough times. And we know that times are tough right now for businesses all around the country and really in all shapes and sizes.
00:33:13
Speaker 4: Is this a story about analysing the business environment in this way, Brian? Is this a sort of story about federalism as well? It does. I mean, it's peculiar that we have six different and set of regulations for businesses to operate in the same country?
00:33:30
Speaker 17: Yeah, it is a really interesting question because we find ourselves caught from time to time between thinking, well, wouldn't it be great if we just had one system across the board? But on the other hand, it's good to be able to drive a little bit of competitive federalism, if I can say that.
00:33:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yep.
00:33:45
Speaker 17: If you look at your payroll settings, we like the fact that states are going to compete with one another on who can have the lowest payroll rate and and kick it in at the highest possible threshold, meaning, of course, ideally you're capturing fewer and fewer businesses. We want states to be competitive on that. But what we don't want states to be competitive on is the kind of settings that sit behind that. So what type of payments are captured? It's that sort of thing that creates a nightmare for payroll managers and officers within companies around the country. And if you could have consistency on those types of issues, that would be terrific.
00:34:24
Speaker 4: Is there momentum in a positive direction, broadly speaking, when it comes to regulation in Australia at the moment, Brian?
00:34:31
Speaker 17: Look, we've got too much. There's no two ways around that. If you look at federal regulation alone, it costs about $ 160 billion a year. That's almost, well, it is the equivalent of almost 6% of our GDP. So there is an enormous amount of work that we need to do to start reducing regulation in a meaningful way. What we have consistently said is that the federal government should set a target to reduce regulatory costs by 25% by 2030. That is the same target that the EU and the UK have already put in place. We would make the point that every state and territory in Australia should be doing the same thing. As we've just mentioned, businesses are doing it tough. If we can give governments the discipline of actively seeking to reduce regulation and then that ultimately means that businesses don't have to spend as much time and money on compliance. And that translates into lower costs for customers, which is better for everyone.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: Okay. Well, good to be number one. Bram Black, the Business Council of Australia CEO on the Regulation Rumble Report that has, again, South Australia on top. I was reading a fascinating blog that is adjacent to this, Institutional Economics by Stephen Kirchner, who wrote about the $ 42, 000 that it cost him to put a step in his house. He was converting his attic in New South Wales into a spare room and he had to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars for heritage reports, safety inspections, a host of things that are just manufactured, not someone designing it, not someone making it, not him even paying for a fee, paying for a report into the heritage design of the street. What do we know about the character of these homes? That costs $ 3, 000. And it itemizes the process. To put one step. To put a step in to allow him to use an attic. The reason it was such a great read is because it encapsulated neatly the productivity problem we have in Australia, the over-regulation problem we have in Australia at the moment, how these things that should be simple are are hugely difficult and don't benefit anyone.
00:36:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:36:49
Speaker 4: No one benefits from any of that stuff unless you work directly in that field. And that's why these rankings are really important because businesses deal with that every single day.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:36:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so true.
00:36:58
Speaker 4: 5AA news time. Back in a moment.
00:37:02
Speaker 3: Knock down. Build two.
00:37:03
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes.
00:37:05
Speaker 5: Sell one and move on.
00:37:06
Speaker 2: Keep the other as an investment.
00:37:08
Speaker 3: Metro Homes.
00:37:09
Speaker 2: They do it all for you.
00:37:10
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:37:16
Speaker 4: Eight after seven, the sun is up and shining on another late October Adelaide morning. You've tuned in at a good time too. Sean Fuster, David Koch coming up this hour. We've got Robbie Williams tickets to give away. Had a lot of fun. Hotly contested the Robbie Williams tickets. You've got to be on your game to win them, but there will be an opportunity to do precisely that a little bit later. June from Golden Grove was on her game before seven o'clock, having been born in 1943 and therefore the recipient of a Care Alert smart watch. June, good morning and congratulations to you.
00:37:45
Speaker 16: Thank you so much.
00:37:47
Speaker 4: Golden Grove certainly wasn't there in 1943. June, have you always called Adelaide home?
00:37:51
Speaker 16: I was born in Scotland.
00:37:53
Speaker 4: What brought the family out here?
00:37:55
Speaker 16: In 1951.
00:37:58
Speaker 4: And so why did they come here?
00:37:59
Speaker 16: Better life.
00:38:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, better weather, better life. Always northern suburbs?
00:38:06
Speaker 16: No, well, I lived around Port Adelaide, Seaton, down that way. I lived at Seaton when there was no footy park there.
00:38:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, pre-Westlakes and pre all that development.
00:38:18
Speaker 16: Yes, straight across the road I lived.
00:38:20
Speaker 4: Do you have any memories of the boat trip out here in 1951?
00:38:24
Speaker 14: Yes, yes.
00:38:25
Speaker 16: I was eight and I was the first one on the ship because I needed to go to the toilet.
00:38:31
Speaker 4: Is that right? Do you have fond memories of that ship ride? I just imagine it was a long time, wasn't it?
00:38:39
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:38:40
Speaker 16: We left in November, which was very cold over there. And my sister and I, we had no swimming pool on the boat, but my sister and I used to help the crew with the cabins, like putting the water in the little containers, you know, that hang over the sink.
00:38:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:38:58
Speaker 16: And we would take laundry down to the laundry room. We had a great time.
00:39:03
Speaker 10: Wow.
00:39:03
Speaker 14: Great time.
00:39:04
Speaker 5: How long was the journey?
00:39:05
Speaker 17: About six weeks.
00:39:07
Speaker 4: Six weeks. Yeah, it's a long time. Do you ever go back to Scotland at all, June, and see family?
00:39:12
Speaker 16: I've been back twice.
00:39:13
Speaker 21: Yeah.
00:39:14
Speaker 16: Wouldn't live there now, sorry.
00:39:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:39:18
Speaker 16: Lovely place to visit.
00:39:19
Speaker 4: Yes, it is. It's a very pretty place. It's hard to give up on the Australian summers, though, isn't it?
00:39:23
Speaker 14: Yes.
00:39:24
Speaker 16: And my family originally from the country, like Loch Fyne was where my great-grandfather lived, which is the Mull of Kintyre.
00:39:35
Speaker 3: Oh, cool.
00:39:36
Speaker 14: Beautiful.
00:39:36
Speaker 16: I still remember all that when we used to go. And we used to go to visit my father's uncle, and he lived at Denard. And right behind his place, he was a gamekeeper, and he lived there. right behind a big hill, and we used to climb that, and that was where the kings used to be crowned.
00:39:54
Speaker 3: Early, way back in Scotland.
00:39:57
Speaker 4: Wow. What a wonderful bit of both Scottish and family history, June. Lovely to chat with you this morning. Congrats on getting the Carolette smartwatch, and really nice to meet and chat with you. June from Golden Grove, having been born in 1943.
00:40:10
Speaker 5: Six-week journey.
00:40:11
Speaker 4: Yeah. Eight years old's a good sort of age to have memories of that kind of stuff. Helping out the boat, being the first one on. It's unfathomable that it takes six weeks to get anywhere now.
00:40:20
Speaker 6: To get anywhere.
00:40:21
Speaker 7: No, unless you're doing a road trip and it's about the journey, not the destination.
00:40:25
Speaker 5: That's right.
00:40:25
Speaker 7: Now, if you have to travel for two days, two planes is annoying.
00:40:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, people complain about 17 hours on a plane. It's happened quickly in the space of one lifetime.
00:40:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has.
00:40:36
Speaker 4: 11 after seven. This is interesting. This is just lopped on our desk this morning. The Stop the Chop billboard at the Britannia Roundabout has been chopped off. Matt Monty from the Adelaide Parklands Association just put out some information about this. According to the Parklands Association, the stop-the-chop billboard at the Britannia Hotel was taken down after 36 hours. Now, they say this, I don't know how they know this, but the removal follows a direct intervention by the venue's owners. Despite the fully pay-for billboard receiving prior approval, the association say it's the second time this year that a pre-approved public advocacy campaign has been censored. In July, a similar billboard was banned at Adelaide Airport despite initial clearance. Was it banned? The airport said promoting... Political campaigns.
00:41:25
Speaker 5: It was a political reason.
00:41:27
Speaker 4: Well, it was also a commercial reason, was it not? Because the airport has a pretty obvious stake in major events taking place in South Australia.
00:41:35
Speaker 5: Well, they didn't say that.
00:41:36
Speaker 7: And then I've driven past through the airport recently and they still have the Bob Brown Foundation anti-logging... ads up on that.
00:41:46
Speaker 4: Billboard at the airport. Yeah, that's why I think it's a commercial decision.
00:41:49
Speaker 5: But why didn't they say that then?
00:41:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe they felt it was- Just say the.
00:41:52
Speaker 7: Airport supports major events because it benefits us. I think people would understand that.
00:41:56
Speaker 4: I think so too.
00:41:57
Speaker 5: No one would begrudge them that.
00:41:58
Speaker 4: Because you're right, otherwise it's inconsistent.
00:42:00
Speaker 5: Then it's lying.
00:42:02
Speaker 4: So the Parklands Association saying it's a pattern. We can't speak on behalf of the venue. They say they know that the venue protest. I presume the Britannia Hotel people have this politically charged billboard that they would fear makes it look like that's their perspective.
00:42:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, and often those billboards aren't owned by the venues. The actual advertising space itself, they might pay the venue to rent that space above their site, but the venue itself doesn't own the ad.
00:42:31
Speaker 5: But I don't know if that's the case in this situation.
00:42:33
Speaker 4: It's not exactly free speech under threat.
00:42:36
Speaker 5: If you're paying for it. Is it free? If you have to pay to have your speech.
00:42:40
Speaker 4: Rating someone's commercially owned space to broadcast a message and them deciding it's not a place for it is not an infringement on your right to freedom of speech. You can still protest. You can still say whatever the hell you want.
00:42:51
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:42:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:42:52
Speaker 7: I would think surely a decision should be made before the ad is approved and money's been taken.
00:42:58
Speaker 5: That's strange.
00:42:58
Speaker 4: That's very strange.
00:43:00
Speaker 5: If you work in that industry and you get it. campaign come to you saying, can we advertise this? Don't you have the discussion prior to accepting money and approving?
00:43:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, so something weird has happened. Yeah, that one's worthy of further consideration. That's just come in whilst we've been speaking. This came in a little earlier, but we just want to flag this this morning. Have a listen to this.
00:43:18
Speaker 21: The Sheraton Fiji Golf and Beach Resort, $ 2, 113, 000.
00:43:20
Speaker 3: The Sofitel, $ 2083, 706 is the amount.
00:43:21
Speaker 21: The Hilton $ 1, 051, 091.
00:43:31
Speaker 1: The Radisson Blue, $ 19, 166. Okay, so you get the picture.
00:43:33
Speaker 9: This is a lot of money that's been spent on hotels in Fiji.
00:43:35
Speaker 3: This is for the pre-COP 31 climate summit in Fiji. The Sheraton sounds lovely.
00:43:39
Speaker 10: $ 2.
00:43:39
Speaker 1: 1 million?
00:43:39
Speaker 20: $ 2.
00:43:39
Speaker 4: 1 million. They weren't living there for six years. At one hotel. No, at one hotel. And that's right, there are other hotels there as well.
00:44:03
Speaker 7: I think it was $ 35 million, the total bill.
00:44:09
Speaker 4: $ 34. 6 million was the total for the summit and the event from Australian taxpayers.
00:44:16
Speaker 7: Taxpayers have paid this for Chris Bowen and a whole bunch of other public servants to go and stay in hotels.
00:44:24
Speaker 4: And look, I generally have an open mind when it comes to expending money on international relations and things because if you don't, someone else will, and when that someone else carries favour, you generally have problems in your neck of the woods that will cost a lot more down the track. No big names turned up to this. It was a pre-meeting for COP31, which is about the environment. There is no justification for this level of expenditure.
00:44:52
Speaker 7: You know the other point that I took out of it? Remember how we were maybe going to have a COP conference?
00:44:58
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:44:58
Speaker 7: Imagine other governments coming here and spending $ 35 million in our hotels.
00:45:01
Speaker 4: That would have been nice.
00:45:02
Speaker 5: How good would that have been?
00:45:03
Speaker 4: That would have been quite an infusion of cash. I'm just trying to calculate what would the room rate have been at the Sheraton Fiji? Of course they'd bump it up. They must have.
00:45:13
Speaker 5: When they see a booking from the Australian government.
00:45:16
Speaker 4: We would have booked out the whole hotel. What's a room cost? I don't know. $ 15, 000 a night.
00:45:20
Speaker 7: And we'd like all meals included because we'll be too busy. We don't want to cook any meals or.
00:45:25
Speaker 5: Worry about that.
00:45:26
Speaker 4: Staggering. A staggering amount of money on that one event. 16 after 7. Let's head to Israel because polls have closed there in an election that is being watched right around the world. Benjamin Netanyahu looking to be returned. The biggest turnout. We'll actually get Ben Downey to confirm this. It was on track to be the biggest voter turnout since 1973. Possibly the biggest ever. The main contender, Gardie Eisenkot, was a former defence minister in the government there. Irrespective of what the polls say, the exit polling and the counting, this one will take a while because a lot like a lot of continental European countries... Israel has a proportional representation system, so no one has ever had a majority. No one's ever won majority.
00:46:11
Speaker 5: They always have coalitions.
00:46:12
Speaker 4: They always have coalitions. So it'll take a while to work out, but Ben Downie's on the ground in Tel Aviv for Seven News and joins us now. Ben, good morning to you. Do we have any numbers yet, any sense of how this is going to play out?
00:46:25
Speaker 18: It goes, good morning. I'm at Benjamin Netanyahu's food party, HQ, as more of these results come in. Now, we've had exit polls from the main Israeli TV stations, and they tell a pretty mixed story. Anyone hoping for really a definitive result will be disappointed. The short answer is Benjamin Netanyahu, for the near future, will remain prime minister until a governing coalition can be formed.
00:46:48
Speaker 4: Is party.
00:46:48
Speaker 18: Look, Good Party has the most seats going by these polls, but the coalition has fewer than the opposition's coalition, which means Netanyahu doesn't really have a path to the magic number of 61 seats required the former parliamentary majority in the Israeli Knesset. Gadi Isenkot, the former IDF chief of staff, you mentioned, he's sitting in coalitions two seats or three seats above, depending on your poll, 53 to 50 against Netanyahu. Also, not without a clear part of the party. What does that mean? Well, one of the real stories emerging right now is the overwhelmingly surging Arab vote with the two majority Arab parties reaching around between 17 and 18 seats. They currently sit as potential kingmakers going forward. So what's likely to happen, even as more of these results come in, one of these two coalitions is going to have to compromise and break an election promise and potentially do a deal for parliamentary supply with one or two of these Arab parties to get from 50 or 52 seats to over 61 or greater.
00:47:49
Speaker 14: Now, there's.
00:47:52
Speaker 18: The presumptive, the leader in this election polling, they'll have 30 days to form a governing coalition. If they can't, then the opportunity will go to the person whose coalition has come second. Fail to do that again, and we could be back at another poll. But the overwhelming intention from the Israeli president, the prime minister president, Isaac Herzog, is to have some kind of result without going back to a second poll. What does it mean in the short term? Benjamin Netanyahu survives. The referendum on his time in office, though, was actually rejected. We just don't have someone who has a clear mandate to take over.
00:48:28
Speaker 5: So will either of.
00:48:30
Speaker 7: The major parties form a coalition with those Arab parties that you mentioned?
00:48:34
Speaker 5: You would think not.
00:48:35
Speaker 3: No.
00:48:37
Speaker 14: No, you won't.
00:48:38
Speaker 18: I mean, Benavent Gnani's coalition is the more right-wing one. It has support from ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Haredi community. As you might imagine, they are completely opposed to forming any kind of coalition with Arab parties, as well as some of the far-right ministers, Bezalel Smotrich and Ismail Ben-Ghazi, are actually sanctioned by the International Criminal Court, and they're actually in restaurants out for those individuals. Now, they refused, if they were to, if Netanyahu were to do a deal with Arab parties, then those parties in his coalition would then break. But then you've got Guarding Eyes, who, now he has a broad support, now he's made a pledge that he won't go.
00:49:19
Speaker 13: To these Arab parties to supply.
00:49:21
Speaker 18: But because his party has actually got fewer votes than they were anticipating, there might be some actual trouble there to say, hey, look, you voted for me, I made this pledge, but we're expecting.
00:49:31
Speaker 12: To have a greater turnout.
00:49:32
Speaker 18: We don't have that. It might provide him some kind of a struggle to actually go to some of these Arab parties and form some kind of coalition. That is all academic at.
00:49:41
Speaker 4: This stage, though.
00:49:42
Speaker 18: We are very much days away from getting a definitive coalition being sorted out. At this stage, it looks like Netanyahu doesn't have the numbers he returned to. However, he has survived or defied political gravity before. He has snatched victory from the jaws of electoral defeat. This now is not just a case of raw numbers and arithmetic. It's also a case of negotiation for positions in a potential government or cabinet positions. He might be able to offer someone what pledges he might be able to offer someone. His party has gone and actually made formal complaints about improper conduct, about Arabic polling stations and also talked about potential vote corruption as well. So that's the narrative people have to keep an eye on. This race is far from being run yet. We'll get some more results coming in over the next few hours. But I'd say wait around the days, weeks, even longer.
00:50:37
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, Ben, that was a great wrap, mate. Thank you. Ben Downie for Seven News in Tel Aviv. We'll have more On that, on 7 from 6 o'clock tonight, there's a potential to shape the region, the outcome of that. But from everything Ben said, we're not going to know probably for 30 days of negotiation and wrangling and trying to form together, cobble together some sort of coalition. Very foreign kind of concept here in Australia. There was the Gillard minority government that took– I mean, people complained about the length of Rob Oakeshott's speech on that day. And that actually felt like it went for 30 days, but it actually didn't.
00:51:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's a concept that might become less foreign to us as the political.
00:51:20
Speaker 7: Landscape continues to fracture and different minor parties now become major parties.
00:51:26
Speaker 5: And maybe we need.
00:51:28
Speaker 7: To look to Europe to get a bit more used to the concept of coalition government.
00:51:32
Speaker 4: I think that's quite an astute observation. All right, 22 after seven. Let's check traffic and we'll come back with more in just a moment here on 5AA Breakfast. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is bringing exclusive performance at Rundle Mall this Friday.
00:51:45
Speaker 3: Knock down. Build two.
00:51:46
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
00:51:53
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
00:51:55
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:51:57
Speaker 4: 27 after 7, Sean Fuster shortly. We'll go around the courts with Sean and then before 8 o'clock, David Koch, the... compare the market economic director and Port Adelaide Football Club chairman will be on the program. A huge day today for people with mortgages, for people anticipating the movement of the RBA on Melbourne Cup Day, maybe people with savings accounts that they'd like to see earn some more interest because the inflation data is going to come out. Kosh, you'll give us a sense of which numbers to look at. There's not really any anticipation of good news.
00:52:36
Speaker 14: No.
00:52:37
Speaker 7: However, the last time we spoke to Koshi, when the unemployment numbers came up, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he said this puts a rate rise down to 20%. It was, and now it's back up to about 60%.
00:52:49
Speaker 5: Why does it change so quickly? Do we all just need to stop buying Halloween decorations? Will that solve the problem?
00:52:55
Speaker 4: I think that would help.
00:52:57
Speaker 7: Do they take that into account? Because I know they do the seasonally adjusted- Yes. Inflation figure.
00:53:03
Speaker 4: They do take it into account.
00:53:04
Speaker 5: They take that out.
00:53:05
Speaker 4: Trim mean is their preferred measure these days, which takes out all the volatile things.
00:53:09
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:53:09
Speaker 4: The things that are going to shift. Holidays over Christmas, for example.
00:53:13
Speaker 5: Christmas spending.
00:53:13
Speaker 4: They adjust for all that kind of thing. That's the idea behind it. But, yeah, we'll find out a little bit later today with the CPI stuff.
00:53:23
Speaker 19: Yeah.
00:53:24
Speaker 5: A lot of people. Really waiting to see.
00:53:27
Speaker 4: The other thing that directed it was the Reserve Bank governor made some comments, sorry, that I was going to say publicly that suggested they were hawkish when it comes to what their next move will be. So I think that adjusted people's expectations as well.
00:53:42
Speaker 5: The thing that kills me, and I'm sure most mortgage holders about this, is.
00:53:47
Speaker 7: We know it takes a while for an interest rate rise to kick in, to actually settle into people's budgets. It takes a couple of weeks for the bank to actually put your rate up and then it takes a few weeks after that for it to actually have an impact on household budgets and change some consumer habits. So it feels like the previous rate rise hasn't even started to be felt yet.
00:54:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:54:07
Speaker 7: And then they're going to make a decision now right before Christmas and they don't have another meeting.
00:54:11
Speaker 5: Until next year.
00:54:13
Speaker 7: So if they make a decision to put rates up now, that's impacting everyone for the next three months at a really hard time of year before we've even felt the impact of the last one.
00:54:23
Speaker 4: Merry Christmas. 29 after 7. 5AA news on the way back in a moment.
00:54:29
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
00:54:30
Speaker 2: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
00:54:37
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
00:54:39
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:54:41
Speaker 4: 21 to 8, Robbie Williams tickets up for grabs a little bit later this morning. Get thinking about the kind of things you'd like to see in your neighbourhood. That's the clue I'll give you for after 8 o'clock this morning. Robbie Williams tickets up for grabs. We'll take a whole stack of calls and give them away after 8. Let's go around the courts. In a criminal... Nope, that's one. It's time to go around the courts.
00:55:06
Speaker 11: We're Sean Fuster on 5AA Breakfast.
00:55:09
Speaker 4: The jury's our court. This is the actual court. In fact, this is a federal jurisdiction we're going to talk about this morning. Sean Fuster, the Chief Court Reporter of the Tizer, is on the line. Sean, good morning.
00:55:18
Speaker 9: Good morning, guys.
00:55:19
Speaker 12: That was the extended edition you're about to play.
00:55:21
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly right. I'm glad we've got you on to talk about this story, Sean, because I think our listeners would have a lot of outstanding questions about it, and it is the first of its kind. The young man who's been found guilty of breaching this federal law, and I think that's worth talking about briefly to set this up, the federal law regarding... AI deepfakes. He was found guilty, didn't go to jail. That's the subject of some conversation as well. But this is a very new law, isn't it? And it is a federal law.
00:55:51
Speaker 12: It is indeed a new law. It is indeed a federal law. There is a state law.
00:55:55
Speaker 10: That goes with it as well.
00:55:56
Speaker 12: And that was all part of the sentencing when it came to William Hamish Yates. And A few weeks ago here on the show, we all talked about this case, and I said to you at the time that I wondered out loud what the sentence was going to be, because when a judge is faced with the task of sentencing for something for the very first time, they set a precedent. And that precedent is then used by courts, in this case around the country, as a yardstick by which to measure the behavior of the next person that comes along. And we know from experience that judges like to sentence in a way that means there is always room for a worse case to turn up. Judges never like to use the maximum sentence. They always like to say, well, what if someone comes along who's worse than this set of offending and the sentence needs to be higher? If I sentence at the upper range and set a precedent for that upper range, then what room is there left for my brother and sister judges to sentence someone who comes along who is arguably worse? And I worried. And I said to you all, the listeners, I worried what kind of sentence we were going to see for Yates as a result of this. Well, the sentence we saw kind of merges in those concerns that I had with some concerns that we've talked about a lot before, both on this show and on Just Lawful. The big one being a previously undiagnosed case of autism. And that has really become almost a chestnut in defence in South Australia at the moment, this idea that, well, if you've done something completely abhorrent, such as spending months on end plastering an innocent woman's face on pornographic images of her, making AI deepfakes of her doing things, truly awful things, spreading them around not only South Australia but around the world with completely disgusting captions that I cannot put to air or in print, but trust me, they are awful, currying favour with the Andrew Pate misogynist manosphere by doing this, trying to ingratiate yourself with and seek validation from those people. Well, if you've got previously undiagnosed autism, perhaps you didn't know the wrongfulness.
00:58:06
Speaker 4: Of your actions. Previously undiagnosed. Doing a lot of work in that sentence. Sure. I spoke to someone who was in court as well, and they said, whatever you are imagining this is, it's way worse in terms of the stuff that's been created. And none of it's broadcastable, but it's horrific and it's awful. And it's not as though this, not that this is a defense, but it's not as though this was just made and sent out into the world. Her name was attached to this stuff, was it not?
00:58:33
Speaker 12: That's right. Her name, her graduation photo. And while we can't put out to air the sort of grotesque vulgarity that was involved in this, I'd like listeners to try to understand for a minute. Imagine someone taking the worst and most offensive pornography you can think of. Now imagine them putting your face to it, your name to it, telling the world that that is what you were doing, that is you in that image, and then encouraging others to to speak to you, contact you, and try to get you to expose yourself to.
00:59:05
Speaker 17: Do more of it.
00:59:07
Speaker 12: It is an absolute level of fraud. and humiliation that I think people will have trouble imagining invading their lives.
00:59:15
Speaker 7: The other thing I struggled with when I was reading about this, Sean, was the judge, and tell me if this is correct, saying it wasn't motivated by malice because this person man, kid, whatever we want to say, was desensitized by the online content that he was seeing.
00:59:32
Speaker 5: So he was part of this Andrew Tate manosphere.
00:59:34
Speaker 7: And because he, you know, got so deep down into the manosphere that he was desensitized to it.
00:59:39
Speaker 5: So, you know, he wasn't actually doing it with any malice. He just thought it was normal.
00:59:43
Speaker 12: That's exactly what the judge sent us on the basis of. She was satisfied by the evidence from psychologists that because of everything you just said, but also, again, that previously undiagnosed autism is and a previously undiagnosed compulsive sexual behavior disorder, he had no malice in his heart when he spent months doing this to this young woman.
01:00:04
Speaker 5: That is an absolute joke. So he won't serve any time?
01:00:09
Speaker 12: Unless he does something wrong, he won't serve any time. He's got a fully suspended sentence, what the federal jurisdiction calls a recognizance order, which for our purposes is the same as a suspended sentence. There's a certain amount of money hanging over your head, and a two-year jail term hanging over his head. And for the next three years, if he does anything wrong, a judge has the option of activating both that penalty financially and that sentence and sending him away to jail. So as far as he's concerned, if he keeps his nose clean for the next three years while he, and I shudder at this, continues to pursue his career at Adelaide University to become a lawyer, someone who apparently doesn't know right from wrong is going to become a lawyer in this state, and Maybe that's a commentary that I should leave alone at that spot right there. You've got this person who, for the next three years, if he keeps his nose clean, it's all over for him. As for the victim, there's.
01:01:01
Speaker 3: No end to this for her.
01:01:02
Speaker 12: Her photograph is out there forever.
01:01:05
Speaker 4: This is a disgrace. So, Sean, the thing is, let's circle this back to the start of this conversation. The imagined worst case version of a crime is the thing that the judges don't ever want to box themselves into. I mean, a lot of times when you've used that description, I thought I get that in terms of this is a serial killer. They killed three people, but what if they'd killed six? I actually struggle to think of how you can be much worse than the circumstances described in this story when it comes to creating an AI deepfake. It wasn't just one on a, you know, I'm not trying to diminish any form of offending, but I imagine on the lower end, one image shared a group of friends is a crime and should be punished and That's low rent. I actually struggle to imagine how you can do AI deep faking to affect someone's life in a way that's much worse than this.
01:01:54
Speaker 19: And how about we look at the law then?
01:01:56
Speaker 7: If a case is committed that is a worse case, why don't we change the law to ensure a bigger maximum sentence can be applied? Why not try and protect these people now when something just becomes an offence? Because now all I see we've done is given future offenders a blueprint on.
01:02:12
Speaker 5: How to get off.
01:02:12
Speaker 11: Hmm.
01:02:13
Speaker 12: And I can't disagree with either of you.
01:02:16
Speaker 7: Just say you've got autism. Just say, oh, I've been impacted by the manosphere. Andrew Tate told me to do it.
01:02:21
Speaker 5: And you get off. You don't have to go to prison.
01:02:23
Speaker 12: And I can't disagree with either of you because the thing about this is the reason why this isn't the worst case ever is because of what Stacey identified there, the lack of malice, because of what we just talked about then, the overriding previously undiagnosed condition. So theoretically, if the next offender doesn't have those things, Well, then the sentence is more severe because they did it maliciously and they did it knowingly.
01:02:46
Speaker 17: But because this.
01:02:47
Speaker 12: Poor young private school graduate who wants to be a lawyer didn't know all of these things, didn't realize all of these things about himself, well, he gets the court's sympathy, their mercy, their leniency in a way that someone who knows what they're doing and maliciously goes out to do it wouldn't. So that's why you've got to leave room for that, according to the court. We don't look at the effect on the victims. We don't look at the effect on the survivor. We look at the circumstances of the.
01:03:15
Speaker 5: Offender to determine what's worse.
01:03:18
Speaker 4: What is the maximum sentence, Sean?
01:03:21
Speaker 12: Maximum sentence is seven years.
01:03:23
Speaker 4: So seven. Seven years in jail, custodial sentence. That's right. This is two years suspended. It's not even considered at the midway point of the seriousness that you could you can attribute to this.
01:03:40
Speaker 12: It's less a yardstick and more a stepladder, really. A very, very small stepladder, a comedically small stepladder in terms of considering what happens in the next case. I mean, some prosecutor somewhere is going to have to argue with the next case that this matter, that Yates' matter, shouldn't even be considered by a court because of those underlying mental health issues, because of the underlying neurodevelopmental issues, because of the underlying neurological issues, because they're going to have to argue now, well, Yates is a one in a million. We can't base everything on his judgment, because if a prosecutor can't make that argument, then every case from here on in will be sentenced on the Yates scale. So this kid who wants to be a lawyer, he's set a precedent now. He's going to be in the law books forever, whether he likes it or not, just not in the way anybody wants.
01:04:24
Speaker 4: That poor girl. Imagine being that girl and her family, and that's happened to her. And the courts in this country have said it doesn't rise to the level of offending, that that requires time spent in jail. What an absolute offence to that poor family.
01:04:40
Speaker 12: Guys, I want to commend her and her family. They are some of the strongest, bravest, most noble, most poignantly speaking people I've had the terrible privilege of encountering in court. The way that she held herself together yesterday while this was going on, having to listen again in court for what was done to her in order to arrive at this sentence, the way that her family and her friends backed her up. She has all the support in the world. I just hope she now gets all the privacy in the world to heal as much as is capable from this and figure out how she chooses to go forward, knowing that this is the outcome that's come from the courts.
01:05:18
Speaker 4: God, it makes your blood boil. That's just ridiculous. Sean, remarkable.
01:05:23
Speaker 5: Thank you, I think.
01:05:23
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking this inside the court.
01:05:26
Speaker 12: As always, thanks, guys.
01:05:27
Speaker 4: Sean Fuchs to the Chief Court Reporter for Tizer. Len sent through an interesting text. I often wonder this. How do people on the autism spectrum feel about this? Because there's this sort of, aside from the specifics of this case, this kind of demonization, I think, inadvertently, of people that are on the spectrum, you can't tell right from wrong.
01:05:49
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:05:50
Speaker 7: And people on the spectrum, I don't know, I don't want to speak for them, but I think would be highly offended by this idea that you can commit a crime. turn up to court and say, I'm on the spectrum. I'm like these people.
01:06:01
Speaker 6: Sorry?
01:06:02
Speaker 7: We're not– I would think people on the spectrum would say, that's not us. A lot of people on the spectrum know right from wrong, and it's a spectrum, so obviously there's more severe and less severe cases, but yeah.
01:06:15
Speaker 4: How much time and effort legislators have spent writing a law to protect people from this new scourge of AI deepfakes, this comes up, and this is how it's interpreted by the court.
01:06:24
Speaker 5: Immediately, yeah.
01:06:27
Speaker 4: Nine minutes to eight. All right, let's check traffic. David Koch coming up in just a moment. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is coming to Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
01:06:35
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
01:06:35
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01:06:43
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast. And they will never tear us apart. David Koch on 5AA Breakfast.
01:06:58
Speaker 4: Port Adelaide Football Club Chairman and Compare the Market Economic Director, David Kosh. Koshy, good morning to you.
01:07:05
Speaker 10: Good morning to you from McLaren Vale, about to get on the big duck with the spirit of the Couronne.
01:07:13
Speaker 4: Oh, lovely.
01:07:15
Speaker 10: Big day ahead of regional board meeting for South Australian tourism.
01:07:18
Speaker 4: Were you there yesterday, Koshy, or were you just there last night?
01:07:22
Speaker 10: No, I was there yesterday, visited. Wera Wera, Maxwell.
01:07:28
Speaker 4: Jeez, it's a tough life, isn't it?
01:07:29
Speaker 10: Spoke with the industry. Wera Wera has a medieval catapult.
01:07:35
Speaker 4: Is that right?
01:07:36
Speaker 10: And I got to fire it. Only a watermelon. It wasn't a sort of big steel ball or anything.
01:07:44
Speaker 4: How far does it go?
01:07:45
Speaker 10: How good is that? It went about 150 metres.
01:07:50
Speaker 7: Wow.
01:07:51
Speaker 10: And I'd set up two goalposts. or AFL post and sailed through.
01:07:57
Speaker 4: There you go. Don't worry about orcas. We've got the catapult ready to go. I love it. Hey, Koshi, so today's CPI Day, so we're getting the September quarter inflation data. A lot of this is not going to be a surprise because we know a couple of things are true. Petrol went up in the quarter and some of the discounts started to come off in the quarter as well. Does that mean this is going to be the last nail in the coffin for a Melbourne Cup Day rate hike?
01:08:22
Speaker 10: 3.6% underlying inflation is the magic number. It's been stuck there. Not the headline rate. This is the underlying rate, trim mean, that the Reserve Bank look at. It's been stuck on 3.6% for a couple of months now. It is just not shifting. And what the trim mean does is takes out all the volatile elements of the basket. So it will water down the increase in petrol prices, for example. because some of those are just one-off increases and they settle down again. And now oil prices have been between $ 90 and $ 120 for a while, and it's reflected in the petrol price. So it's sort of smoothed that out. So the trim mean is the important one, 3.6%. If it comes in above that, well then, yes, I think it will be the final nail in the coffin. If it comes in at 3.6%, I don't know. I think with rising unemployment, that will be in the back of the Reserve Bank's mind and they could just hold off. If it comes under 3.6%, have a quiet sort of toast. of your favourite beverage because that will indicate to the Reserve Bank that maybe inflation is starting to slow down and that's a really good thing and that will keep rates at least on hold for a while and give the prospect of a rate cut sometime.
01:09:59
Speaker 14: In the future.
01:09:59
Speaker 10: So that's the signpost if you like to look out for today in the inflation figure.
01:10:08
Speaker 5: I was hoping I'd be more hopeful after this chat, Oshie.
01:10:11
Speaker 4: Does the result make note?
01:10:13
Speaker 7: Do we know how long it takes for a rate rise to impact the economy, to have its full effect?
01:10:20
Speaker 10: Well, your household budget, it impacts within a week because of all the variable home loans in Australia. We have the highest level of variable home loans basically in the world. So The impact is really immediate to our spending if you've got a home loan because the mortgage repayments go up. That's why interest rates aren't nearly as powerful in managing the economy in the US because only about 3% of their home loans are variable mortgage rates, would you believe? They're all 10 up to 30 and 50-year mortgages, some of them all fixed.
01:11:01
Speaker 4: Amazing.
01:11:01
Speaker 9: So they don't care.
01:11:03
Speaker 10: I know. That's it. That's why it makes such a big difference here. Now, interestingly, though, you've got some Reserve Bank board members, economists of the Reserve Bank, all sort of putting us through a bit of a softening up process over the last week. That's one of the things I fear at the moment, their language coming out saying we may need to go again.
01:11:27
Speaker 12: Are they.
01:11:29
Speaker 10: Are they just warming us up for one? So that is not a good sign, but it is probably one of the most important CPI figures in a long time out today.
01:11:40
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Koshy. Give us plenty to look to when those numbers come out in a couple of hours' time. David Kosh, Port Adelaide Football Club chairman and Compare the Market economic director. I just want to mark the point. We have received so many texts today People outraged about our chat with Sean Fuster around the courts. We will read a couple of them out because I think they deserve to be read out. Really well-written, long paragraphs of outrage. But people can't believe that in Australia, a sentence like the one we've just heard with regard to new AI deepfake laws can be the one that sets the standard for conduct in that space because the details we just heard were horrific. And the sentence, certainly in the view of our listeners, is that it is pathetic that's coming up in a moment.
01:12:25
Speaker 2: Knock down bill two with metro homes sell one and move on keep the other as an investment metro homes they do it all for you will.
01:12:34
Speaker 11: Goodings with stacy lee this is five double a breakfast.
01:12:39
Speaker 4: 11 minutes after eight breaking eight coming up in just a moment we've got robbie williams tickets to give away as well that's happening this half hour then after 8 30 he's the host of the most popular politics podcast on planet Earth, Alistair Campbell, former Director of Communications in the Blair Labor Government in the UK, coming to Adelaide for an evening with Alistair Campbell, who'll be on the program after 8.30 today. Looking forward to that. But we really want to do some texts on a range of subjects, as it turns out. One on the chat with Koshi we just had about the RBA and inflation data out today. Sim says, the texter, without a name, pondering this situation... I'm thinking it's people like me who are retired, have worked, paid mortgages, saved, struggled, gone without, raised children, too long to mention, and now have money, and now we're spending like drunken sailors, adding to inflation.
01:13:29
Speaker 5: It's quite reflective. Again, like you point out in that text, it's not your fault. You've worked your whole life.
01:13:36
Speaker 4: No, you've earned it.
01:13:36
Speaker 5: You're in retirement, you've saved your money, and you've got money to spend.
01:13:39
Speaker 4: There's an economic think tank called the E61 Institute that did a really interesting analysis the other day about the 12% super guarantee that we have now, saying... that this working generation now who have lived it, who live with 12%, will likely retire richer than they ever were when they worked, which feels like a misallocation of monies.
01:13:57
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:13:58
Speaker 4: So when you're trying to buy a house, when you're trying to raise kids, you'll be worse off financially than when you just stop working altogether as a result. It's food for thought. Scott says, I just looked up Wirra Wirra's catapult. It is indeed called the catapult when it, in fact, is a trebuchet, a very specific type of catapult. Why would you just have called it that, Scott in Modbreed? Sorry, Scott. Scott's a halberd, not a spear guy. I love medieval weapon-related pedantry, Scott. Three stars. Now, I tell you who doesn't get three gold stars, and that is the judgment in the case of the first AI deepfake. This new law that came in in 2024 went to trial. The details too horrific to talk about. The person, the victim identified clearly in images sent around the world. So not just a fake image, but fake with words and her name to be identified and sent everywhere. I mean, good luck erasing that from the internet. You can't. Suspended sentence. People are fuming and we're with them. Guy says, let's hope the DPP appeals this disgraceful sentence. My wife and I were screaming at the Channel 7 News report. This is where the justice system sits in Australia. Soft sentences, no consequences for unacceptable behaviour. We are a joke.
01:15:13
Speaker 5: Can I just read this text?
01:15:15
Speaker 21: Yeah.
01:15:15
Speaker 7: They want to stay anonymous because they say, my son is autistic and he is furious about this type of defence. He is the first one to say that his father and I have always insisted that just because he's autistic, it's not a free pass to do whatever he wants. For his privacy, I wish to remain anonymous. And it's echoed by this text saying, people on the autism spectrum would be insulted that this is a get out of jail free card. My son is on the spectrum and he's highly functioning. He's highly intelligent. He's very aware of right from wrong and in fact could probably recite the law if needed. This smells like a lawyer looking for all options at the expense of those with autism.
01:15:55
Speaker 4: It feels as though we drafted a law to protect the very person that was a victim in this case and it has failed. So you can go back and change the law, I think, a federal law. And in the absence of an appeal, Ben Jordan and others are saying the DPP, like in the NEMA case, maybe this is one to have a look at. Because again, to Sean Fuster's point, whenever now someone gets charged under this offence, they're going to spend the entire case arguing about why this judgment needs to be set aside. So I think in the first instance, this law's not working.
01:16:25
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:16:26
Speaker 4: If this can happen, it's not working.
01:16:27
Speaker 7: Because that guy who committed a more serious offence, he got off. So my client shouldn't even be considered.
01:16:34
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:16:34
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:16:35
Speaker 6: All right.
01:16:36
Speaker 4: Let's hope it gets appealed. Thank you for all those very well-crafted texts. It's time for Breaking A Note.
01:16:46
Speaker 7: Adelaide City Council met last night, which always provides us with some good Breaking A Note content. And last night's relates to a motion that was put forward about not accepting sponsorship, the council not accepting sponsorship from oil and gas companies. And then it took a couple of twisty turns along the way. Aman Abrahimsadeh is a councillor and joins you this morning.
01:17:14
Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Aman. Thanks for your time.
01:17:17
Speaker 22: Good morning, Stacey. Good morning, Will, and to your listeners.
01:17:20
Speaker 7: So the original intent of this motion, I imagine, was to send a message about, you know, council not wanting to take money from oil and gas companies.
01:17:31
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:17:34
Speaker 22: Look, there were probably two parts to the original motion which was brought in. And I'm just going to remind you and your listeners of the article that was published in the paper a couple of days ago. And that was essentially around the fact that we have Santos Tour Down Under that takes place in the city. But there are a number of councillors who have happily accepted Santos Tour Down Under tickets, whether it's to races, to dinners and other events. And so when I saw the motion come through the chamber last night, there were two main components to it. One of them was to stop advertising on council-controlled signage or council-owned property. And the other component, which you alluded to, was the sponsorship, not to accept any sponsorship from businesses that are, I guess, in the business of extracting oil, gas and coal. And so I thought, you know, councillors in there have the right and prerogative to take certain positions and introduce motions like this. That's fine. But I wanted to bring some balance to the equation and say, if you are going to stop council from... advertising on council-controlled signage on council-owned property, then why don't we make it fair and stop accepting hospitality offerings, whether that's tickets to races, tickets to dinners, or any other events, where a sponsor is a business that is extracting oil, gas or coal. So you can't have the cake and eat it. You can't just say, no, these are the standards that we will have. Well, let's stop accepting all of these free tickets that councillors have in the past, happily accepted. And I'll be honest, I'll go on the record and say, yes, if you look at the council benefits register, I have accepted tickets in the past and there are some of the councillors that actually supported this motion, which in my opinion doesn't really, well, we won't get to that, but there are plenty of people who will happily take a position and say, we don't like those businesses that extract oil, gas and coal, but they have taken tickets to events. Well, from July next year, if the motion continues through and if the next council, which kicks in from April next year, if the next council doesn't change direction, then this is something that we will see get implemented.
01:20:16
Speaker 10: And I'm not sure... It.
01:20:18
Speaker 22: Will have implications. And my interpretation of it is, you know, we've got all of these polls throughout the city. And if it's, you know.
01:20:30
Speaker 22: Tour Down Under season, you will see all of these flags that get put up and, you know, it will clearly display Santos Tour Down Under event, Santos being the major sponsor of the event. So I don't know what that means for Tour Down Under post-July next year. I don't know what that means for BP Grand Final post-July next year. And they're the only two events and races that sort of come to mind. I don't know whether if there are other events where we have a sponsor that has, yeah.
01:21:04
Speaker 4: Santos. Let's just talk about Santos for a second, shall we? The biggest company headquartered in Adelaide employs about 700 people on Flinders Street and there's people on the Adelaide City Council that want to act like these guys are people traffickers.
01:21:18
Speaker 1: I reckon if.
01:21:20
Speaker 4: No, go ahead, Armand.
01:21:21
Speaker 22: No, no, I was going to say that Our council administration highlighted that, Will, so I think that's a very fair point because we have an economic development strategy that talks about bringing people into the city. If there are workers that are coming into the city, you give them good amenity, you give them a good experience. So we've got all of these other policies and strategies that want to bring people in the city and there are, as you rightfully highlighted, there is Santos, there is BHB, there are so many other energy and utility companies that are bringing so many workers into the city. But on the other hand, we're saying, oh, no, what do I want to do with these businesses? So, look, I try to make it fair. And again, I'll be honest and transparent and say the overall motion, even in its amended form, I did not support because I just thought it, personally, I thought it's hypocritical.
01:22:16
Speaker 14: Yeah.
01:22:17
Speaker 4: It's hypocritical and it's self-defeating. It's a cutting off your nose to spite your face. Wait, do they think Sea Shepherd are going to fill up that building on Flinders Street? Seriously.
01:22:28
Speaker 5: And it's not just the building, it's the event.
01:22:29
Speaker 7: Imagine if the TDU didn't go through the city. Imagine if they weren't, the TDU didn't have their, what's it called? You know, on Victoria Square, they take over the festival part.
01:22:39
Speaker 5: Imagine if they headquartered that in Unley.
01:22:42
Speaker 7: Or Norwood instead and just didn't bring any racers or cyclists into the city and told them, you know what?
01:22:47
Speaker 5: Don't rent a hotel in the city.
01:22:49
Speaker 7: Get an Airbnb in the suburbs because Adelaide City Council doesn't want us there.
01:22:52
Speaker 4: This is turbocharged university student politics.
01:22:56
Speaker 22: And I think they're very good points. And I think the stakeholder that I'll be, I guess, you know, keeping an eye on to see what their reaction is, that is the state government.
01:23:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:23:09
Speaker 22: Because if they're involved in... in these sorts of events, which it sounds like they are. I'll be keen to see what their reaction is. And yeah, I would say probably to you and to all of your listeners, watch this space, particularly over the next few months to see exactly what happens here and watch the tour down under post-July next year, watch the BP Grand Final post-July next year to see what those events look like and what sort of implications this policy position has.
01:23:42
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:23:42
Speaker 6: All right.
01:23:43
Speaker 4: Thank you, Aman. Aman Abarif Mazzadeh, City of Adelaide Councillor.
01:23:51
Speaker 5: So this text, I think, sums it up. Where is it? South Australia, the self-sabotaging state.
01:23:57
Speaker 4: It is. Total self-sabotage. We want people to come into the city, but we don't want them to drive a car. We want people to come into the city, but we don't want the 700 people that work and our biggest employer in the city.
01:24:08
Speaker 14: Yep.
01:24:08
Speaker 7: We want them to come to the city, but not for an event that's sponsored by a big oil and gas company, without which sponsorship that event might not be able to take place in our city to bring people in.
01:24:20
Speaker 4: And you know what? You've got the freedom to be an environmental crusader, and good on you. You can do that in Australia. We have a free speech and a political system where all rights and all views can be represented. But we have succeeded the best in this country. If this is your desire, we've had the best success transitioning to net zero, and it comes on the back of gas firming up the grid. It's not possible without that.
01:24:49
Speaker 7: We could not survive without gas right now. We are surviving without coal, but we could not survive without gas.
01:24:54
Speaker 4: I've been doing this for 12, this is our 12th year, and it's breathtaking. The Adelaide City Council, I mean, I doffs my cap. They're still throwing 100-mile-an-hour fastballs.
01:25:04
Speaker 5: You're wondering how they can get worse and worse.
01:25:06
Speaker 4: They can still do it. Now, good on them. They can still do and say the most outrageously stupid things. All right, let's check that one. Seriously, Santos, treading like the bubonic plague there on Flinders Street. Unbelievable. Traffic. No, actually, before we do that, I've lost my way. Paddy's upset. I'm upset. Let's give away some Robbie Williams tickets to get this thing back on track, shall we? Robbie Williams is back and bringing his Britpop tour at Adelaide Oval. Tickets are on sale from today. Head to FrontierTouring.com to get yours. Now, a lot of, not in my backyard, nimbyism in the news at the moment with the data centre in the hills. We've got, what was that, racquetball business that was, whatever they call that. That's a big issue at the moment. We want to know what something that you do want in your backyard is. What's something you want in your suburb? It could be anything. It could be food. It could be a service. You know what? Be as creative as you like. I don't want to lead the winners.
01:26:02
Speaker 5: What do you, yes, in your backyard.
01:26:04
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01:26:15
Speaker 5: Rosanna Mangiarelli here from 7 News.
01:26:17
Speaker 7: Join me and Will Goodings for Adelaide's leading news hour, 7 News, tonight at 6 o'clock.
01:26:25
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:26:33
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:26:37
Speaker 4: All right, let's give away some Robbie Williams tickets. We're wanting to know what you want in your backyard. Graeme in air, what would you like in your neighbourhood?
01:26:44
Speaker 8: Oh, Will, hi, Stacey.
01:26:46
Speaker 14: How are you?
01:26:46
Speaker 3: Good.
01:26:48
Speaker 12: Good, good.
01:26:48
Speaker 18: I'm a drummer. I've been a drummer for a long, long time, and I could do with a couple more music shops around the area.
01:26:55
Speaker 4: All right, music shops. Thank you, Graeme. Bill and Shelton, what do you want in your area?
01:26:59
Speaker 14: I want a McDonald's a lot closer to me, a Big Mac, a sausage sizzle.
01:27:03
Speaker 4: Now we're talking.
01:27:03
Speaker 12: Sausage and bread McMuffin, chocolate sundaes.
01:27:06
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Bill.
01:27:07
Speaker 22: Stop.
01:27:08
Speaker 4: Paul in West Lakes, what would you like in your backyard?
01:27:10
Speaker 8: I'd love a set of the old medieval stocks, and whenever councils make silly decisions, one of them gets nominated to go on stock duty where we can all go and throw maybe some tomatoes at them or something.
01:27:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, chuck a lettuce at someone. Good stuff. All right, Vinnie in Grange, good morning. What do you want in your neighbourhood?
01:27:27
Speaker 10: Good morning, folks.
01:27:27
Speaker 14: How are you? I reckon I'd like to have a fruit and veg swap. Don't waste fruit. Oh, I like that idea. And you swap over, you know, dealing and wheeling.
01:27:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, too many lemons, swap it for a zucchini from your neighbour.
01:27:41
Speaker 4: I like that. Nice one, Vinnie. Travis, what would you like in your backyard?
01:27:44
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, I would love a designated concert area, something similar to the Sydney Music Wire Bowl in Melbourne, so we could have concerts constantly going on and we'll wear you there at Christmas time.
01:27:56
Speaker 4: Very good, Travis. Thank you. Robbie in Hyde Park, what would you like in your backyard?
01:28:01
Speaker 18: Oh, good morning, guys.
01:28:02
Speaker 16: I would love, I want the kids off iPads and gaming.
01:28:06
Speaker 18: I really want a really cool skate park for scooters and skateboards. Jump, ramp, the whole lot.
01:28:13
Speaker 4: Good idea, Robbie. That's good. Great suggestions there.
01:28:16
Speaker 5: Some great suggestions.
01:28:17
Speaker 4: Some good yimbyism. Who wins the Robbie Williams tickets?
01:28:20
Speaker 5: I reckon Vinnie for the fruit and veg swap.
01:28:23
Speaker 4: Vinnie, you've got Robbie Williams tickets coming your way. These tickets are worth $ 500. This is unbelievable, these tickets, to go see Robbie Williams, the Britpop tour that's coming to Adelaide Oval. Tickets are on sale, so head to frontiertouring.com.
01:28:38
Speaker 3: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metronome.
01:28:40
Speaker 5: Homes.
01:28:40
Speaker 2: Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
01:28:44
Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
01:28:46
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
01:28:48
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:28:50
Speaker 4: 18 to 9. We've been contacted by the state government with regard to Breaking 8 this morning and the council motion that would see Advertising that emanates from oil and gas producers banned, which would have direct ramifications for at least two major events in Adelaide, the Santos Tour Down Under and the BP V8 Grand Final Sprint. The state government says if council bans the promotion of the TDU's naming rights sponsor on council property, it risks jeopardising the future of the tour village in Victoria Square, which attracted more than 70,000 visitors to the CBD during this year's event. Councillors cannot vote to shut out a major sponsor and simply assume There'll be no consequences for the event or the city businesses that benefit from it.
01:29:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, those city businesses that pay their rates to Adelaide City Council to keep the council going.
01:29:36
Speaker 4: Arman made the point that state government intervention will be an interesting thing to watch here, and I think they've fired a shot across the bow there. 17 to 9, if you are a lover of digesting political podcasts and so forth, you will well know the rest is politics now. podcast co-host Alistair Campbell. If you followed British politics at all, you'll know him as the Director of Communications in the Blair Government, a forthright thinker of the state of politics in that country and indeed around the world, who is coming to Adelaide on the, what was it, two weeks time basically, the 18th of November at the Festival Theatre, and he joins us now on 5AA Breakfast. Alistair Campbell, good morning to you.
01:30:14
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: Great to have you on. It's such a fascinating time to talk politics in the world at the moment, and I want to start with one of the topics you're broaching at the talk when you come here, the rise of populism. And we're seeing it almost uniformly. It started with Donald Trump and Marga and reform in the UK, the AFD in Germany, One Nation here in Australia. To what do you put down this seemingly uniform rise in a country with all these disparate domestic political issues?
01:30:44
Speaker 3: Yes.
01:30:46
Speaker 21: Well, I think there is a kind of international element to it.
01:30:48
Speaker 1: I think they support each other.
01:30:51
Speaker 21: They use each other's ideas and tactics and methods. I think you've got to wind back a fair bit. I think it's weirdly, I think it probably started with Berlusconi in Italy. I think he was one of the first guys who worked out that. you know, getting your hands on the levers of media and allying that to a populist message. And you throw in, you know, one of your most famous sons, Rupert Murdoch, and the way that he transformed.
01:31:16
Speaker 1: The way that media operates.
01:31:18
Speaker 21: But I think if there's one thing that maybe is, there's no one single cause, but if I had to, if you forced me to name one, I would say it's the global financial crisis. and the feeling that a lot of people have that they didn't cause it, the people who caused it, they got bailed out, and the public who had nothing to do with it, they paid the price. I think a lot of it goes back to that, because that's what has led, in some degree, to the sense that living standards just aren't rising across a lot of the major democracies.
01:31:50
Speaker 17: In the world.
01:31:51
Speaker 21: And then I think the other thing is I wouldn't underestimate just how much having Trump as the loudest, most powerful person politician on the planet as yeah and the politics he represents I think that does have an effect around the world but I think it's beginning to I think it's beginning to go backwards I think there's a sense that you know you take the three elections we've just had this week you know they've all been pretty bad for Trump and his side of policies Brazil Bolsonaro losing Serbia the students getting rid of Vucic and now I think in Israel it's not that great for Netanyahu.
01:32:25
Speaker 7: We're talking here in Australia at the moment about a law to stop the algorithm on social media. And I wonder how much of a role you think that plays. Who do you think is responsible for that sort of rise in populism and dissent in political debate?
01:32:41
Speaker 5: Is it social media? Is it populism? Is it the politicians? Maybe it's, you know, journos and the media?
01:32:46
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:32:48
Speaker 21: I think it's a bit of all of it, but I don't think it would have– I think it's been exacerbated and fueled by the advance of technology. I could be wrong, but I think we will look back on the social media phenomenon a bit like we now look back on smoking. I think we'll just think, what was all that about? How did we allow that to happen? And I think the reason why the AI debate is becoming so difficult is because it's a lot of the same people who are kind of making the big bucks out of it. And they're sort of saying, yeah, well, you know, if you're a young person, you never get a job because AI does it. Well, don't worry, we'll sort of think about you later. So I think tech, I think the tech bros, the tech bosses never really explaining or understanding that with a change as big as that, you've got to take people with you, not just as consumers, but also as citizens. And I think, you know, the reason I got very, you know, when I met Peter Malinowskis, your Premier, when the first time I went to Adelaide a.
01:33:51
Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, his.
01:33:54
Speaker 21: Stance on social media and on funding in politics was what really sort of drew me to the politics that he was trying to take through. Because I think politics is hard enough without the kind of hate and the abuse and the online division that is now just a part of it for all of us.
01:34:10
Speaker 4: Do you feel like, Alistair, you've got a sort of, from the outside, a handle on the current state of Australian politics at the moment?
01:34:18
Speaker 1: I do my best.
01:34:20
Speaker 4: What's your view on it? Is anything from your perspective, does anything distinguish us from some of those broader patterns we're seeing in the Western world?
01:34:30
Speaker 21: Well, I've always been a great admirer of two aspects of your political system. One is the voting system, but even more so is the compulsory vote. And I've always felt that the compulsory vote would be part of the armory that protected you against extremism and populism of the right or of the left. And that doesn't seem to be the case right now. Now, I think as long as the governing parties and the mainstream parties kind of get their act together and really start to deliver for people in a very difficult environment. But also, I think, expose the populists for what they are. I've yet to see a populist leader anywhere in the world who's actually made their country or their region better. I've seen plenty of people who've managed to exploit difficulties, create and exploit division, create and exploit a sense of grievance. But then whenever, we're seeing here in the UK with reform, reform have won loads and loads of local councils. They're almost uniformly turning out to be a complete disaster. Nigel Farage is, you know, one of the kind of key populist figures around the world. uh, he, I think he's on the slide now because the money stuff is really, really, really starting to hurt. And so Trump, because Trump has got away with so much, I think he's going to, he's going to crash as well in the end, but because he's got away with so much, the populists think they.
01:35:54
Speaker 1: Can do what the hell they want. And that's what you've got to stop. And that's what you've got to expose.
01:35:59
Speaker 4: So if you sort of described a kind of horizon on the rise of, of, of these populist movements, I wonder what you forecast when it comes to, Russia and Putin, who I think I really enjoyed you once describing as the author of Lying as Strategy. What horizon do you see on the conflict in Ukraine?
01:36:18
Speaker 21: Well, this winter is going to be truly horrible for the Ukrainians, I think. I think they're having to come to terms with the fact that we'd like to maybe think that America could be relied upon to stay in the right place on it. I think it's hard to make that case right now. Europe has got to step up. Europe has absolutely got to be at the heart of it. I think it was the kind of things you think was encouraging today that the Norwegian, the Finnish president and prime minister of Norway and the Finnish president had a direct conversation with Putin. Because what's happened in the last couple of years is that Donald Trump and Putin's got Donald Trump exactly where he wants him. And Donald Trump has got himself in a position where it's almost like unless he says or does something, in relation to Ukraine nothing can happen well that's nonsense Europe I think has got to get itself into a position where it's it's where the Russians understand that Europe is in this for the long haul. Um, now would it be easier if the Americans were completely on board and didn't appear to be just sort of doing Putin's bidding?
01:37:23
Speaker 1: Of course it would. Of course it would. But I think that, you know, this, this winter is going to be tough. No doubt about it.
01:37:29
Speaker 21: Everybody wants this damn thing to end, but Putin's got to know that it cannot be ended on his terms.
01:37:35
Speaker 1: Cause I think that would be dangerous for, for the whole of Europe.
01:37:38
Speaker 10: Hmm.
01:37:39
Speaker 4: You mentioned you met our Premier Peter Malinowskis previously. You are chatting with him in conversation with your event coming here to Adelaide. What do you know of his politics? What do you like or want to explore with him when you're up there chatting?
01:37:56
Speaker 21: Well, what I was really, I really was impressed for the first time I met him because like within five minutes of meeting him, he was telling me about how he wanted to get social media under control. And he was telling me he wanted to get politics, money out of politics, big money out of politics. And it seems to me he's made massive progress on both of those. And in the social media thing, I mean, you know, it reminds me a little bit of when the Irish government was the first to ban smoking in public places in the workplace. And people thought they were crazy. Ireland's a real smoking, drinking culture. You must be crazy.
01:38:29
Speaker 1: They did it. It worked.
01:38:30
Speaker 21: And now it happens all around the world. And Peter Malinowski has had a similar effect in relation to social media. It went from South Australia, it went federal, and now it's happening in different parts of the world. So that was what impressed me. And I've kept in touch with him. I think he's a really smart guy.
01:38:46
Speaker 1: I know he's got issues.
01:38:47
Speaker 21: And, you know, I've had actually quite a few people saying, hope you're going to talk to him about the Stop the Chop campaign because we're really angry about trees being chopped down.
01:38:55
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I will. I will, for sure, because I love trees.
01:38:59
Speaker 21: But, you know, I think he's always, he's somebody, it seems to me, he understands the value and the importance of explaining and sometimes, yeah, taking really difficult decisions, but you've got to have You know, you've got to have an argument. You've got to give people a reason to believe and trust in you. And I think he's a very, very impressive politician.
01:39:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to have you guys in conversation about these issues and more. Looking forward to you coming to town. Alistair, great to chat with you. Thanks for your time this morning.
01:39:29
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. All the best.
01:39:31
Speaker 4: Alistair Campbell, the host of the Rest Is Politics podcast and, of course, former director of communications in the Blair Labor government in the UK. That show is on the 18th of November at the Festival Theatre if you'd like to buy tickets to get along. Let's check traffic. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond Musical is coming to Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
01:39:49
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
01:39:50
Speaker 2: Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment.
01:39:55
Speaker 3: Metro Homes.
01:39:56
Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
01:39:58
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:40:04
Speaker 4: Three to nine. Let's have a look at the fuel situation to round things out on this Thursday morning when I refresh my screen. Breakfast. The petrol information, thanks to RAA. We love RAA. Get RAA road service. Don't get stuck on the side of the road. There it is. And the news, not so good compared to yesterday. The Yugo St Mary's South Road, $ 2.
01:40:24
Speaker 15: 13. 4.
01:40:24
Speaker 4: The Liberty at Camden Park, Morfitt Road is $ 2.
01:40:26
Speaker 20: 17. 5.
01:40:26
Speaker 4: The BP North Brighton on Brighton Road, $ 2. 19. 9. The diesel at Chep's Cross is probably the cheapest. The BP there on Main North Road, $ 2.
01:40:41
Speaker 3: 64. 5.
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Speaker 4: So marginally up from yesterday. Again, petrol is going to be a big talking point over the course of the day when we get the CPI data that comes out. And we'll get probably some real crystal clear clarity around the Melbourne Cup Day rate rise this afternoon. You'll hear it on 5AA, of course, as that information does come to hand. But you never know. Maybe there'll be some surprise in the data. The way the RBA is talking, they're certainly not forecasting it, though.
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Speaker 5: I just always try and be hopeful. I hold out a little bit of hope.
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Speaker 4: Yep, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: 3.6 is the number we want to see.
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Speaker 4: Cheer on 3.6. Cheer on 3.6. All right, stick around. Graeme Goodings is coming up after 9 o'clock, and we'll catch you tomorrow morning from 6 o'clock on Thursday. We'll see you then. Is that a love trick?
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Speaker 4: Night after six, good morning to you. Welcome to Wednesday on 5AA Breakfast, the 28th of October. We have a jam-packed program this morning. Have a listen to this. We're going to be talking more about the Crows childcare venture that if you missed yesterday, our jury was highly sceptical of. We thought it felt a little odd as a diversification of revenue for the Adelaide Football Club, but they're getting into the childcare business in Mount Barker. The mayor is going to join us to discuss that after 6.30. The Business Council of Australia says SA is the best place to do business. This is a measure they use to determine how much regulation and red tape there is in the way of doing business. So it's a specific area of it. South Australia is the best. Does it surprise you as a business owner in South Australia? Maybe you think it's gotten a lot better. We'll be chatting with the Business Council a little bit later in the morning. We're off to Tel Aviv because in the next 30 minutes, polls close there. We don't do a lot of Israeli politics, but this one will have ramifications for Australia and the world. Benjamin Netanyahu looking to be returned The polls have it on a knife edge. We probably won't know this morning because they always do coalitions. But in the event he is kicked out, what does that mean for the war with Iran? What does it mean for the policy on Gaza? What does it mean for the way the world treats Israel and that part of the world? So there's lots that will come out of that, and we'll get into that after seven. Sean Fuster, David Koch, Tony Blair's former media guy, Alistair Campbell, who hosts, I think it's the most popular politics podcast on planet Earth. The rest is politics. It's going to be a big morning, Stace, and good morning to you.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 4: A lot of politics going on. A lot of politics. I was thinking last night, are we slipping as a media? How has the Torrens to Darlington story not yet had a gate affixed to the end of it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Is it Torrens to Darlington gate? Is it the cumbersome nature of T2D? T2D gate. T2D.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't roll off the tongue, does it?
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Speaker 4: It doesn't roll off the tongue. Bikey gate?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, bikey gate.
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Speaker 4: South Road gate?
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Speaker 5: South Road gate, yeah.
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Speaker 4: I feel like once upon a time we would have had a gate on this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Earlier in the week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: We want to know from you this morning on 8223 0000. Text us on 0408 1395. Put gate on the back of something that is an issue in your world.
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Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 4: So, for example, last night I was getting berated over a cupboard door gate.
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Speaker 5: Oh, are you one of those?
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Speaker 4: See, you're already against me. Why do you leave it open? I didn't even say anything else. You knew the scale of what was going on and the story.
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Speaker 3: Just.
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Speaker 6: Close it.
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Speaker 4: I'm not aware whether they're open or closed.
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Speaker 7: But when you take something out and you've completed your task at that cupboard, just close it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I move straight on to the next task.
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Speaker 5: Oh, man.
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Speaker 4: Cupboard door gate in our household was getting a good run last night.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay. At the moment, we're milk gate.
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Speaker 8: Oh.
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Speaker 5: We're going through a lot of milk.
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Speaker 4: Like Molly related?
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Speaker 5: Yes, Molly related.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 5: And- I don't know why, but it's neither of our responsibility.
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Speaker 4: To get milk. So you're constantly out of milk.
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Speaker 5: Constantly out of milk. So, yeah, last night Ben had to go down to the shop to get milk.
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Speaker 7: And I think we don't buy enough at the grocery store, so we probably need to, you know– amend our processes and procedures throughout the week. Maybe we should get ICAC involved to do an evaluation, not an investigation.
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Speaker 4: It's not an investigation. No, it's an evaluation.
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Speaker 7: It's an evaluation of our milk buying processes to prevent late night milk runs.
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Speaker 4: Your milk procurement process. 8223 0000 or 04808 1395. Describe something as a gate-style controversy in your world.
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Speaker 7: I have a theory that every house has a dishwasher gate.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: Because there's one person, I've seen a meme that says this, there's one person that stacks it like a Swedish architect.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And one person stacks it like a drunk raccoon.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm the raccoon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I figured that. You didn't have to tell me.
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Speaker 4: You've been doing the show for long enough now. Some things are becoming clear.
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Speaker 5: I would never understand how you put something in and you don't take.
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Speaker 7: Note of where it goes. So then for next time, you just know it goes back in that same spot.
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Speaker 5: But no.
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Speaker 4: No. A lot of people texting and saying South Wales should be Tunnelgate. That's a good one. Tunnelgate. Phil and David, Tunnelgate.
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Speaker 5: Tunnelgate.
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Speaker 4: Thank you. This one's interesting. Somebody says, I keep getting told off for leaving the gate open. So I actually have Gategate.
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Speaker 5: Gategate.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Rob says, should we pay for our roads? Tollgate, which leads to, do we rename tollgate?
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Speaker 10: Tollgate.
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Speaker 4: Which is a good point. Becomes very confusing in that point.
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Speaker 5: Oh, Simo in Canmantoo has ants in the caravan gate.
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Speaker 4: Ants in the caravan.
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Speaker 5: That's quite specific.
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Speaker 4: Simo, we need more information. That sounds like a humdinger of a fight.
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Speaker 5: Can you prevent ants in the caravan? Maybe you're leaving the door open.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Leaving food around.
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Speaker 4: Someone had honey.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Crumbs? Doesn't take much.
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Speaker 5: Not cleaning up after yourself?
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Speaker 4: Doesn't take much.
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Speaker 5: Oh, Machiavellian gates.
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Speaker 4: Machiavellian gates.
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Speaker 10: Yep.
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it's suggested to me that the Premier reads more Machiavelli than you're reading Machiavelli, I think, which is not a great thing.
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Speaker 7: I just thought it was interesting to hear the Premier's hierarchy of where things sit because he said it's local government, state.
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Speaker 5: Government, federal government, God, then the AFL. And I thought, well, maybe that's how you see the world, but it's not how I see the world.
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Speaker 4: You don't have the AFL above God? No, not in my life. The AFL has the AFL above God. Albo has the golf sewage works gate. Yes, he made them. The Mayor Colfer, yes, that oversaw it with regard to $ 6 million. $ 6 million? Staggering amount of money. 8223 0000, kept the text coming in as well. What is a gate-style disaster, controversy, scandal event? Low-level scandal would be great. What's the lowest-level scandal that we can affix gate to to make it sound like it's something very, very serious? We'll get to some more of your suggestions right after this.
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Speaker 3: All for you.
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Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: 19 after 6, thanks to the creativity of listeners, we've resolved the issue over the South Road gate suffix. Tunnelgate is what it shall henceforth be known as. And now we're taking suggestions for low-level gate-related dramas in your world. Michael and Ross Trevor is on the line. Morning, Michael.
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Speaker 12: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 4: What's your issue?
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Speaker 13: Then what do we talk about then when it comes to the brand of Squeaky Gate with that olive oil brand?
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Speaker 5: Oh, squeaky gate gate.
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Speaker 13: That's going off on a tangent. But, you know, it's interesting talking about gate is probably not many people realize that Watergate has a funny place. It's actually located in Washington at a neighborhood called Foggy Bottom.
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Speaker 4: Is that right?
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Speaker 14: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 4: Have you been to Foggy Bottom, Michael?
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Speaker 13: No, I deliberately didn't want to go down that path.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 13: But it is interesting that we talk about Gators associated with scandals, and then the location of Watergate in Washington, D.C. is at a place called Foggy Bottom. It's really ironic, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Good on you, Mike. It is peculiar the degree to which the name of a hotel intricately linked to a U.S. presidential scandal has become... just shorthand for scandal in Australia.
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Speaker 5: There would be people who use the term gate not knowing the.
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Speaker 4: Significance of it. Absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 6: And where it came from.
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Speaker 3: Watergate, yeah.
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Speaker 4: All right, there's some good gates coming through on the text line.
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Speaker 3: There are.
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Speaker 7: Mike in Taringi, and I think this is one in every house, where did you put the remote gate?
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Speaker 5: Why do TVs only ever come with one remote?
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Speaker 4: So many hours of my life have been spent looking for remotes. It's sad.
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Speaker 5: It's really sad. It's ridiculous. Peter says, Western and Northern beaches, Sandgate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well, sand carting. It's 2026. We have artificial intelligence solving cancer and we can't fix sand on the beach.
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Speaker 5: Sand on the beach.
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Speaker 4: Can someone just type it into chat GPT, please?
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Speaker 5: Happens every year. It's just. Andrew, I have my neighbours filling my bin full of crap gate.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did that gate last week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. Brent, sorry, thanks for the offer.
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Speaker 7: He said, on Stacey's milk gate, I'll have to drop off a 10-litre bladder of milk to help out Ben. Yeah, he'll appreciate that. In the middle of the night, milk runs. That's Brent the Milky. And, oh, I like this one. Stacey, yours doesn't have to be milk gate, but simply we've changed our position on the amount.
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Speaker 4: That's a good point. Do you acknowledge the scandal?
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Speaker 15: No.
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Speaker 5: We've changed our position on it.
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Speaker 4: You've just changed your position?
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Speaker 5: We've done an evaluation.
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Speaker 4: How about this one? I was talking to my partner's mobile phone while cleaning our pool. I had the phone tucked into the neck of my T-shirt. It fell out into the pool. I tried scooping it out. It fell again. Third time lucky to retrieve it. I was in the doghouse for a week. We moved on to laughter after that and recovered the contents. Phone gate was suddenly born.
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Speaker 16: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Had to buy a new phone.
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Speaker 5: That's hard.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is hard. 8223 0000 for your gate-related dramas at home. You can text us 210 to 4808 1395. The weather for this Wednesday. What a variable feast. 6.6 outside at the moment. 6.6. 5.6 degrees. The apparent temperature is 5.6. That is a morning that would be entirely comfortable in early July.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, what's going on?
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Speaker 4: Top of just 18 today. Top of just 18. It is a cool one. uh then it changes a seven degree increase in our forecast maximum temperature as we move to tomorrow 25 the forecast top no rain looks like a pretty lovely day actually tomorrow and then we we spring is full spring uh friday 28 with a drizzle drops back to 23 on saturday with a shower or two uh Mostly sunny Sunday. Pretty good day Sunday. 25, the expected top. 27 on Monday with up to five millimetres of rain. And Tuesday back to 22 with maybe a drizzle around. But a lot of grizzly sort of inconsistent weather over the course of the next seven days.
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Speaker 5: Can't work it out.
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Speaker 4: Now, this is interesting. Paddy's got a query on this. There's some rumours about– we've got the round one fixture out now, the AFL season, and the AFL have made Thursday night football into a thing. Thursday night football is a very big, big TV night, not in terms of live attendance. People don't particularly love it because kids can't go. People in the country can't go. It's hard to get back for work the next day. Wednesday night football. Where do we stand on Wednesday night football, folks?
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Speaker 5: So round one, there's a Wednesday night game.
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Speaker 4: Wednesday night. That's right.
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Speaker 5: Footy is five days of the week that week.
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Speaker 4: Is there a Thursday night game in the round one fixture as well? There is. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I love Thursday.
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Speaker 5: And Fort with another Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, that's, yeah.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be.
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Speaker 4: Interstate sides who finish bottom six. Crows fans know this. You just get congratulations. Welcome to Sunday Arvos and early Saturday games.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Wednesday night football gate. 8223 0000. Do we think this is a good idea? Yes or no?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I love Thursday night football the moment they made it a thing. It just felt right. Wednesday feels too early.
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Speaker 5: Too early.
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Speaker 4: So the teams get named on a Tuesday then for that game.
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Speaker 1: Nah.
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Speaker 4: The rhythm of it. The rhythm of life is disrupted too much. I'm generally in favour of just more sport on more nights of the week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of people are.
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Speaker 4: But Wednesday night feels really early.
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Speaker 7: Maybe the Premier was right. The AFL is God. They just want people to talk about it all the time.
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Speaker 4: Oh, no, they do do that.
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Speaker 5: Seven days a week.
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Speaker 4: Midweek sport is for NBL games and Asian Champions League fixtures for Adelaide United. We should be playing Uzbekistan or something or other on Wednesday night. their local boonie-odd core or something or other. Wednesday Night Football, folks, yes or no? Give us the verdict. We'll just do a snap poll right now. 8223 0000 or 0408 1395. Snap poll, yes, no, to Wednesday Night Footy. We might get our first vote from the expert himself in Tom Wren, who's just joined us in the 5AA Breakfast Studio. Gliderol Garage Doors, over 50 years strong, all colours, all styles, all street appeal, gliderol.com.au. Do you like the idea, Renny?
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Speaker 6: No, it's a no for me. I quite like the Richmond Colton Thursday night. I'm happy that they're changing it up.
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Speaker 4: I don't mind it.
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Speaker 6: I think they nailed the gather round fixture, but I'm not sold on a Wednesday night.
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Speaker 8: You?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 4: It feels too early in the week.
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Speaker 5: Is it going to be a regular thing or is it just for round one?
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Speaker 4: There's a fixturing issue, isn't there?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Round one. There's some weirdness around the MCG and availability, I think.
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Speaker 6: I think that's it. And there's talk about Monday night football potentially as well, but I like Thursday night. I've come around to that, but Monday night I'm not as big. I know viewership would be amazing.
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Speaker 4: I'd take Mondays over Wednesdays. Totally.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd take Mondays over Wednesdays, but I'd keep Thursdays over Mondays.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 6: Wednesdays are midweek. It just feels like there needs to be a couple of days where we love sport nuffies overthinking.
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Speaker 5: I'd take Monday over Thursday over Monday.
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Speaker 4: We're going to release our days of the week tears to watch AFL football.
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Speaker 6: Now, remember we've had the talk about showdowns potentially being sold to the MCG and we.
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Speaker 3: Sort of laughed it off and fobbed it off.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Looks like Essendon's about to... sell its Dreamtime game, which is against Richmond. It's going to be announced today to WA. So I saw this.
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Speaker 5: Can you explain the significance?
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Speaker 7: I'm not totally across the Dreamtime game, but is it a big rivalry like the showdown?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's not as big as that, but they get 85,000, 90,000 fans there, and it's the celebration of, you know, Indigenous football and culture, and it's a big game. It's just a home game for two big Victorian clubs. And they're selling it to WA.
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Speaker 4: Who pays? Is it the WA government pays for this?
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm guessing it must be.
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Speaker 4: Geez, they've got too much money in Western Australia. Yeah, don't they? Just buying random games of football.
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Speaker 6: And what does it say about Essendon? You know, we always sort of say, yeah, North Melbourne, understand Hawthorne have gone to Tasmania.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely.
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Speaker 6: But where are Essendon?
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Speaker 4: Essendon, one of the big clubs in the AFL.
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Speaker 6: Maybe things are changing, aren't they?
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Speaker 4: Or have changed.
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Speaker 5: Do they need the money?
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Speaker 4: Probably.
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Speaker 17: Are they in?
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Speaker 5: Are they having financial issues? Do they need to get into childcare?
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Speaker 6: I think it's probably– I think they're probably just not the powerhouse. They're just probably not the powerhouse we once thought they were or they once were.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, they haven't been relevant for 20, 25 years. That's right.
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Speaker 6: And so, you know, your kids that are growing up now, they're still too young to get a team. But, you know, for the last 10 or 15 years, a lot of kids would say– Oh, my God, Fresno.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Because they tend to jump on the winners.
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Speaker 4: It does say something about, you know, in an economic sense, the natural free distribution of capital. There is spare capacity clearly in WA and there's excess footy in Melbourne. We've got a lot of teams there and there's a lot of money and a lot of people in Western Australia. It sort of feels like a natural realignment could occur at some point. Absolutely. Yeah, no doubt.
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Speaker 6: And people would laugh at you again probably a few years ago, but it's– Not out of the question.
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Speaker 11: No.
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Speaker 4: I totally agree. Hey, tell us about the cricket.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 6: So I was fired up last night.
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Speaker 1: You were.
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Speaker 6: I was sending you texts. You're probably asleep going, what if he texts one more time?
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Speaker 4: You were raging.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 6: And I don't think I was the only one. Australia's decision to bowl when they picked a spinner. So you pick a spinner to bowl fourth, to bowl last. And then we win the toss and we forfeit that right. We were bowling first on a road. We've ridiculed teams in the past that have come out to Australia and bowled first so they don't expose their batsmen. And that's exactly what we did. And South Africa had Australia by the absolute throat. One for 203. And then Mitchell Stark did this very late in the day.
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Speaker 3: There he goes again. Mitchell Stark.
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Speaker 4: 20 times. Five wickets in an innings in test matches for Australia.
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Speaker 3: He's an absolute champion.
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Speaker 6: Given the chance in this test match to come back, he has swung them right back into it. A great call. That audio thanks to Fox. So in the last 15 minutes of the day, he took four wickets. South Africa were one for 200. They were cruising. They were looking at 450, 500 plus. All of a sudden, all out for 329.
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Speaker 14: That's it.
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Speaker 6: Australia has to bat now. And this is it. So Pat Cummins, I mean, he was copying it. And I know that social media is a dangerous thing to sort of go by, but it was lighting up. And people were saying how this is embarrassing, worst ever decision by a captain.
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Speaker 4: And, you know, all the.
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Speaker 6: Decisions that the Australians have made and things they've done. He was copying it, Andrew McDonald. But Mitchell Stark may have just saved the day for them with that spell late in the day.
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Speaker 4: Maybe. It gives you a sense. If Australia gets bowled over 150 and we lose this test, all the build-up to summer is going to be unbelievable back here.
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Speaker 6: It could be career-ending. It's ironic, Will, that eight years ago, Sandpaper Gate ended careers. Same venue, very different circumstances, could end some again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well said.
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Speaker 6: So it's going to.
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Speaker 4: Be a fascinating few days. There's a lot riding on this next day of cricket.
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Speaker 6: They will be praying for one of these Travis Head rear guard hundreds in quick time to get them off.
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Speaker 5: To a flyer.
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Speaker 4: Well, we'll be watching with interest.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be amazing.
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Speaker 4: Looking forward to your analysis again tomorrow morning, Randy. Yeah, can't wait. Good on you, mate. Thanks, guys. We are getting a whole stack of texts through with people's thoughts on Wednesday Night Football. We'll reveal the results of our snap poll this morning. Do you like footy? AFL on Wednesday nights. One off. Ben Jordan made the point on the text line because the MCG is not available today. because of the 150th anniversary test that week. So that's why we're talking about Wednesday Night Football for that first round. Wednesday Night Footy. Too early? Well, just right. 8223 0000. Let us know. Results next.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown.
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Speaker 3: Metro Homes.
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Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: 20 to 7, 150th anniversary test means the MCGs aren't available and we get a longer first round of the AFL season. Wednesday night football. We're asking you, is Wednesday night football generally a good idea? The AFL likes to run these things up the flagpole. We're doing a snap poll at the moment. If you're just tuning in, 8223 0000 or 044808 1395 with a simple yes or no. Um, There's a few really good ones here. Dave Lloyd, I think, manages to articulate exactly what the problem with Wednesday night football is, though.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 5: No to Wednesday night football.
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Speaker 7: Thursday would feel like a Friday, but it isn't a Friday, so the whole week is ruined.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 4: That's the worst feeling in the world. When you wake up on a Wednesday and you think, oh, yes, it's Thursday, except then you're stuffed.
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Speaker 8: Yep.
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Speaker 4: That point on your week is out of whack.
00:19:29
Speaker 5: Imagine that every week.
00:19:31
Speaker 4: Broadly speaking, have we received anyone who likes the idea of Wednesday Night Football yet?
00:19:34
Speaker 5: No, we haven't. Not one person.
00:19:35
Speaker 4: To give you some indication of the way the poll's running. So keep your votes coming in. We might find someone who likes it. 8223 0000 for your thoughts. A lot of people called that number yesterday on a football adjacent story that we had for our trial by jury. This curious business venture with the Adelaide Football Club have partnered with Cool Beans to enter the childcare space with a football centric childcare centre to be constructed in the Mount Barker area. We put it to the jury, just asked people do you think this is good business or weird? I think overwhelmingly people thought it was odd for a football club. Notwithstanding, there is obviously a massive need for childcare services and a big need for all sorts of services in Mount Barker, the fastest growing part of South Australia. That much we get, it's just in terms of a decision that a football club would take. A high-risk enterprise, and if you're just trying to turn over a few extra bucks, there's got to be easier ways to do it. Anyway, that's the football side of it. David Leitch is the Mount Barker District Council Mayor and joins us now. Mayor, good morning. I imagine you're more interested in the manner in which this fills what I guess is a void in Mount Barker when it comes to this kind of service and others because, gee whiz, they can't pack any more people in where you guys are at the moment, can they?
00:20:49
Speaker 9: Good morning, Will. Good morning, Stacey. We can pack a lot more people in Mount Barker. And we're only 30% of the way through our growth cycle.
00:20:58
Speaker 4: So how many people have you got right now?
00:21:00
Speaker 9: In the town of Mount Barker itself, it's close to 30,000.
00:21:03
Speaker 4: So you can have 100,000?
00:21:06
Speaker 9: We're going to be, the region will be 100,000.
00:21:07
Speaker 14: Okay.
00:21:08
Speaker 4: So you've got a couple of, have you got one or two early learning centres there at the moment?
00:21:14
Speaker 9: We've got two at the moment.
00:21:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:21:15
Speaker 9: And there are other childcare facilities around the town. There's one run by the council. There's another independent one. So the people up here who move up here are all people like you two. They have kids and they're pretty good at doing it.
00:21:32
Speaker 7: And so is this going to be a new centre? childcare centre or is it an existing one that's rebranded?
00:21:40
Speaker 9: No, Stacey, it's going to be a brand new centre. It's being built by Leighton, who are reputable, very good builders of commercial properties up here. They're already doing some other work in Mount Barker. Then they'll come across to the Summit Sports and Recreation Park. We've got a piece of land there that's surplus to our needs and we'll be putting a brand new childcare centre. Even I could kick a footy from the childcare centre to the oval that we've got in.
00:22:06
Speaker 4: This is a weird question in the context of a childcare discussion, David. What's the Crows power fan distribution in Mount Barker like? Are you 50-50, 60-40? Where would you put the line at?
00:22:16
Speaker 9: It's 51-49 because the mayor is a poor power support.
00:22:20
Speaker 4: Oh, so you're a power majority. How do you feel about this sort of Crows brainwashing unit in the local childcare centre?
00:22:28
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, it is a problem, but you do know that the mayor does have some powers of his own. I will be, when I go up there to do the opening, I'll be saying the Crows are a very good team, but yeah, I don't mind having a bit of influence.
00:22:48
Speaker 4: So sounds like you're actually pretty well serviced for the childcare, David. If you could get someone, you know, anyone partnering with some other sort of public service or public good up there, what are you crying out for the most?
00:23:03
Speaker 9: We need something for the young people in this town to do besides looking at their screens when they come home from school. So one of the great things about what the Crows are proposing is it's not going to just be the childcare. They'll be holding training sessions up here with the kids. They'll be having things like the open parachute to support some of those children that struggle a little bit. There'll be all sorts of opportunities for children to mix with the AFL stars that they adore and there's a lot more to it than just.
00:23:33
Speaker 15: A child kid.
00:23:34
Speaker 5: Can you opt out of the Crows uniform?
00:23:37
Speaker 9: Well look, we're in a democracy here but I must admit this is a pretty strong step for the Crows to actually come up here and do this. It works in other states. The people that run Cool Beans already do this up in the Gold Coast very successfully and I can imagine there'd be quite a queue of parents wanting to make sure that the future young AFLW or AFL men's players, if you start them young, that's how to get them.
00:24:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one way to look at it. Thank you, Mayor. The Mount Parker District Council Mayor, David Leitch.
00:24:15
Speaker 7: I've got to say, I mean, we had this discussion yesterday. I think it's strange and I think it's a risky venture for the Crows to get into.
00:24:22
Speaker 5: It's not exactly low risk.
00:24:24
Speaker 7: But As a Port fan, if it was the only option for you, you'd send your kids there through gritted teeth going.
00:24:31
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say you'd quit your job and just stay at home and look after them.
00:24:34
Speaker 5: They would be on the cards.
00:24:37
Speaker 4: Now, Wednesday Night Football, the results are in. 25% of you said this.
00:24:42
Speaker 10: Look, largely yes, Will.
00:24:47
Speaker 4: Which means 75% said.
00:24:49
Speaker 18: No one thinks that this behaviour will be welcome, tolerated or accepted here in South Australia.
00:24:54
Speaker 4: So by the Minister Joe Sockarch measure, the nose have it, 75% of people are against the concept of Wednesday night football.
00:25:04
Speaker 7: I like this text. Morning, Stacey and Will, about the Crows childcare venture. Is that what they mean about organic growth? There goes another 25 to 30 years for a flag.
00:25:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, the rebuild.
00:25:15
Speaker 5: Waiting for the next generation.
00:25:17
Speaker 4: This is a long plan for the rebuild. Don't worry, the 2056 side is going to be dynamite. Let's go to Simon Timicky at the Weather Bureau. Simon, good morning to you.
00:25:28
Speaker 10: Morning, Will.
00:25:29
Speaker 19: Morning, Stacey.
00:25:30
Speaker 4: How's Wednesday looking for us?
00:25:32
Speaker 19: Yeah, look, certainly a very clear start to the day and a little bit colder than yesterday too. We've had an overnight minimum temperature 6.5 degrees at about quarter past six this morning. And around the suburbs, even a little bit colder than that, down to 4.6 degrees at Mount Lofty, 5.4 degrees at Parafield. Currently in the city, sitting on 7 degrees and expecting a maximum of 18 degrees. I think it'll be mostly sunny over the Adelaide Plains today. Looking at the satellite picture, though, a little bit of cloud pushing up from the south, just pushing up over the Fleurieu Peninsula. So we might see some of that cloud push up over parts of the southern suburbs and the hills at times. So a bit more cloud about those areas, but I think over the plains should be a mostly sunny day. Maximum temperatures around the suburbs, expecting 19 for Elizabeth today, 17 for Glenelg, 16 for Mount Barker and 18 degrees for Noarlunga. Things will get a little bit warmer over the next couple of days and plenty of sunshine around on Thursday too. A mostly sunny day with generally light winds tomorrow down to 10 degrees overnight, so not quite as cold as this morning. And a bit warmer too, 25 degrees the maximum for Thursday.
00:26:42
Speaker 17: Friday even a little bit.
00:26:43
Speaker 19: Warmer again, 16 degrees for the minimum, 28 degrees for the maximum. Probably see a bit of sunshine at first on Friday, but see some cloud increase. during the day and maybe one or two showers around later in the afternoon and into the evening and then on Saturday likely to be one or two showers around probably in the morning 17 for the minimum 23 for the maximum on Saturday still maybe a very slight chance of a shower on Sunday but most of the day should be dry I think 25 degrees then some showers to start off with early next week on Monday and Tuesday 27 for Monday 22 next Tuesday.
00:27:18
Speaker 4: Will Good stuff, Simon. Thank you, Simon Timkey there at the Weather Bureau. Let's head to Safe Bowl. Senior Constable Kimberley Broad joins us. Kimberley, there's been a crash at Vale Park last night.
00:27:28
Speaker 20: That's right. It was just after midnight. Police and Emergency Services were called to the intersection of North East Road and Ascot Avenue at Vale Park after a BMW sedan had crashed into a Stobie Pole. Now, the driver and passenger, they're two 16-year-old boys from Prospect and Dernancourt. They sustained minor injuries in the crash and were treated at a hospital. The intersection was blocked for two hours while police investigated the crash and cleared the scene. The driver has subsequently been reported for causing harm by dangerous driving and also driving unlicensed. He'll be summoned to appear in court at a later date.
00:28:04
Speaker 5: And there was a pursuit of a drive-in in Glandor last night.
00:28:08
Speaker 20: That was 10 o'clock last night. We had Southern District Patrol's attempt to stop a Holden sedan drive on Weymouth Avenue at Glandore after it was seen acting suspiciously in the back streets. Now, the drivers refused to stop and sped off, but Paulair ended up tracking the Holden as it travelled along Anzac Highway into the western suburbs before it came to a stop at a home in Finden, and the driver was arrested. So we've searched the car and allegedly located methamphetamine and other drug paraphernalia, but that driver's a 33-year-old man from Finden. He's been charged with driving while disqualified. dangerous driving to escape police pursuit and also possession of that controlled drug. So he's been refused bail and he will appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court later today.
00:28:52
Speaker 4: All right, good stuff, Kimberley. Thank you, Senior Constable Kimberley Broad there from SAPOL. Let's check traffic for the first time on this Wednesday morning. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is coming to Adelaide May next year. You can join the waitlist now.
00:29:08
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00:29:16
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:29:20
Speaker 4: 6 to 7, it's Kerala at smartwatch time. We have one of these wonderful products to give away. Stacey's got a wheel to spin. Every number corresponds to a birth year. If it's yours, simply be the first caller through.
00:29:32
Speaker 20: On 8223 0055.
00:29:32
Speaker 4: The number is 1800. which means the year is 1943. I reckon we've had 1943 a few times.
00:29:54
Speaker 8: Really?
00:29:54
Speaker 4: The weighted wheel theory is very popular among our conspiracy theorist listeners. And frankly, I count myself among them when it comes to the weighted wheel. There are some numbers that come up a lot. 1943 is a lot, which is great. But there's a lot of people born that time. They all deserve a Carol emergency watch. Heard from the Steeles the other day. Oh, yes. They looked like they were climbing a mountain somewhere. They're doing wonderful things.
00:30:13
Speaker 5: Having a great time.
00:30:14
Speaker 4: Good on them. They've created this great product for families that makes people feel comfortable and everyone feel happier and more independent. It's a great product. I think there's people calling through, so I don't need to spruik it anymore. They're already calling in the 1943ers. They get the drill. I think they get spun up once a week.
00:30:29
Speaker 7: Can I just read this text out quickly on the Crows Child Care Centre from Rob in Alberton? He says, As a Crows supporter living in Alberton, the Crows Child Care story reminds me of my three girls going to the local primary school and having a note sent home from school before the showdown, being told the kids could celebrate on the Friday by wearing their port gear or casual clothes.
00:30:49
Speaker 4: LAUGHTER That is excellent.
00:30:53
Speaker 5: That's gold.
00:30:54
Speaker 4: That is South Australia in a nutshell.
00:30:59
Speaker 5: You go to school in this suburb?
00:31:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:31:01
Speaker 5: You must support locals.
00:31:02
Speaker 4: You can wear your footy gear as long as it's this team or you can just wear anything else. Rob, that's brilliant. Thank you. Let's talk about something else that's– If not uniquely South Australian, it's certainly something that South Australia is number one on at the moment, and that is the Business Council of Australia's Regulation Rumble Rankings. So this is the method by which they look at the way in which red tape, regulation, and things make doing business more complicated. South Australia has finished top for the fourth consecutive year. Victoria's bottom. which Bran Black, Business Council of Australia CEO, just at first blush makes me think that this is totally legit. Bran, good morning to you.
00:31:45
Speaker 14: Good morning.
00:31:45
Speaker 18: Thanks for having me on the show.
00:31:47
Speaker 4: So take us through, because I reckon we'd probably have a few South Australian small business owners that might raise an eyebrow at this. What is it that sets SA apart from this regulation standpoint?
00:32:01
Speaker 17: So it's a really good question and what really makes South Australia excel is the overall quality of its planning system so that means we can get more homes built here faster but also the overall quality of its regulatory arrangements and we look at six different settings but specifically what stands out for SA is the competitiveness of its payroll tax rates and thresholds, its stamp duty and land tax settings, and then also its business licensing requirements, which are very comparatively low relative to other states.
00:32:36
Speaker 4: Okay.
00:32:37
Speaker 5: So it's purely about owning and operating a business in SA.
00:32:42
Speaker 17: That's absolutely right. And I acknowledge what you said before in terms of there being a lot of businesses that would no doubt be saying, well, I'm doing it tough right now. How does this reflect where I'm coming from? What we would say is that where you've got better settings for regulation and for planning, that means you've got a better prospect of riding through tough times. And we know that times are tough right now for businesses all around the country and really in all shapes and sizes.
00:33:13
Speaker 4: Is this a story about analysing the business environment in this way, Brian? Is this a sort of story about federalism as well? It does. I mean, it's peculiar that we have six different and set of regulations for businesses to operate in the same country?
00:33:30
Speaker 17: Yeah, it is a really interesting question because we find ourselves caught from time to time between thinking, well, wouldn't it be great if we just had one system across the board? But on the other hand, it's good to be able to drive a little bit of competitive federalism, if I can say that.
00:33:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yep.
00:33:45
Speaker 17: If you look at your payroll settings, we like the fact that states are going to compete with one another on who can have the lowest payroll rate and and kick it in at the highest possible threshold, meaning, of course, ideally you're capturing fewer and fewer businesses. We want states to be competitive on that. But what we don't want states to be competitive on is the kind of settings that sit behind that. So what type of payments are captured? It's that sort of thing that creates a nightmare for payroll managers and officers within companies around the country. And if you could have consistency on those types of issues, that would be terrific.
00:34:24
Speaker 4: Is there momentum in a positive direction, broadly speaking, when it comes to regulation in Australia at the moment, Brian?
00:34:31
Speaker 17: Look, we've got too much. There's no two ways around that. If you look at federal regulation alone, it costs about $ 160 billion a year. That's almost, well, it is the equivalent of almost 6% of our GDP. So there is an enormous amount of work that we need to do to start reducing regulation in a meaningful way. What we have consistently said is that the federal government should set a target to reduce regulatory costs by 25% by 2030. That is the same target that the EU and the UK have already put in place. We would make the point that every state and territory in Australia should be doing the same thing. As we've just mentioned, businesses are doing it tough. If we can give governments the discipline of actively seeking to reduce regulation and then that ultimately means that businesses don't have to spend as much time and money on compliance. And that translates into lower costs for customers, which is better for everyone.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: Okay. Well, good to be number one. Bram Black, the Business Council of Australia CEO on the Regulation Rumble Report that has, again, South Australia on top. I was reading a fascinating blog that is adjacent to this, Institutional Economics by Stephen Kirchner, who wrote about the $ 42, 000 that it cost him to put a step in his house. He was converting his attic in New South Wales into a spare room and he had to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars for heritage reports, safety inspections, a host of things that are just manufactured, not someone designing it, not someone making it, not him even paying for a fee, paying for a report into the heritage design of the street. What do we know about the character of these homes? That costs $ 3, 000. And it itemizes the process. To put one step. To put a step in to allow him to use an attic. The reason it was such a great read is because it encapsulated neatly the productivity problem we have in Australia, the over-regulation problem we have in Australia at the moment, how these things that should be simple are are hugely difficult and don't benefit anyone.
00:36:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:36:49
Speaker 4: No one benefits from any of that stuff unless you work directly in that field. And that's why these rankings are really important because businesses deal with that every single day.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:36:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so true.
00:36:58
Speaker 4: 5AA news time. Back in a moment.
00:37:02
Speaker 3: Knock down. Build two.
00:37:03
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes.
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Speaker 5: Sell one and move on.
00:37:06
Speaker 2: Keep the other as an investment.
00:37:08
Speaker 3: Metro Homes.
00:37:09
Speaker 2: They do it all for you.
00:37:10
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:37:16
Speaker 4: Eight after seven, the sun is up and shining on another late October Adelaide morning. You've tuned in at a good time too. Sean Fuster, David Koch coming up this hour. We've got Robbie Williams tickets to give away. Had a lot of fun. Hotly contested the Robbie Williams tickets. You've got to be on your game to win them, but there will be an opportunity to do precisely that a little bit later. June from Golden Grove was on her game before seven o'clock, having been born in 1943 and therefore the recipient of a Care Alert smart watch. June, good morning and congratulations to you.
00:37:45
Speaker 16: Thank you so much.
00:37:47
Speaker 4: Golden Grove certainly wasn't there in 1943. June, have you always called Adelaide home?
00:37:51
Speaker 16: I was born in Scotland.
00:37:53
Speaker 4: What brought the family out here?
00:37:55
Speaker 16: In 1951.
00:37:58
Speaker 4: And so why did they come here?
00:37:59
Speaker 16: Better life.
00:38:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, better weather, better life. Always northern suburbs?
00:38:06
Speaker 16: No, well, I lived around Port Adelaide, Seaton, down that way. I lived at Seaton when there was no footy park there.
00:38:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, pre-Westlakes and pre all that development.
00:38:18
Speaker 16: Yes, straight across the road I lived.
00:38:20
Speaker 4: Do you have any memories of the boat trip out here in 1951?
00:38:24
Speaker 14: Yes, yes.
00:38:25
Speaker 16: I was eight and I was the first one on the ship because I needed to go to the toilet.
00:38:31
Speaker 4: Is that right? Do you have fond memories of that ship ride? I just imagine it was a long time, wasn't it?
00:38:39
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:38:40
Speaker 16: We left in November, which was very cold over there. And my sister and I, we had no swimming pool on the boat, but my sister and I used to help the crew with the cabins, like putting the water in the little containers, you know, that hang over the sink.
00:38:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:38:58
Speaker 16: And we would take laundry down to the laundry room. We had a great time.
00:39:03
Speaker 10: Wow.
00:39:03
Speaker 14: Great time.
00:39:04
Speaker 5: How long was the journey?
00:39:05
Speaker 17: About six weeks.
00:39:07
Speaker 4: Six weeks. Yeah, it's a long time. Do you ever go back to Scotland at all, June, and see family?
00:39:12
Speaker 16: I've been back twice.
00:39:13
Speaker 21: Yeah.
00:39:14
Speaker 16: Wouldn't live there now, sorry.
00:39:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:39:18
Speaker 16: Lovely place to visit.
00:39:19
Speaker 4: Yes, it is. It's a very pretty place. It's hard to give up on the Australian summers, though, isn't it?
00:39:23
Speaker 14: Yes.
00:39:24
Speaker 16: And my family originally from the country, like Loch Fyne was where my great-grandfather lived, which is the Mull of Kintyre.
00:39:35
Speaker 3: Oh, cool.
00:39:36
Speaker 14: Beautiful.
00:39:36
Speaker 16: I still remember all that when we used to go. And we used to go to visit my father's uncle, and he lived at Denard. And right behind his place, he was a gamekeeper, and he lived there. right behind a big hill, and we used to climb that, and that was where the kings used to be crowned.
00:39:54
Speaker 3: Early, way back in Scotland.
00:39:57
Speaker 4: Wow. What a wonderful bit of both Scottish and family history, June. Lovely to chat with you this morning. Congrats on getting the Carolette smartwatch, and really nice to meet and chat with you. June from Golden Grove, having been born in 1943.
00:40:10
Speaker 5: Six-week journey.
00:40:11
Speaker 4: Yeah. Eight years old's a good sort of age to have memories of that kind of stuff. Helping out the boat, being the first one on. It's unfathomable that it takes six weeks to get anywhere now.
00:40:20
Speaker 6: To get anywhere.
00:40:21
Speaker 7: No, unless you're doing a road trip and it's about the journey, not the destination.
00:40:25
Speaker 5: That's right.
00:40:25
Speaker 7: Now, if you have to travel for two days, two planes is annoying.
00:40:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, people complain about 17 hours on a plane. It's happened quickly in the space of one lifetime.
00:40:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has.
00:40:36
Speaker 4: 11 after seven. This is interesting. This is just lopped on our desk this morning. The Stop the Chop billboard at the Britannia Roundabout has been chopped off. Matt Monty from the Adelaide Parklands Association just put out some information about this. According to the Parklands Association, the stop-the-chop billboard at the Britannia Hotel was taken down after 36 hours. Now, they say this, I don't know how they know this, but the removal follows a direct intervention by the venue's owners. Despite the fully pay-for billboard receiving prior approval, the association say it's the second time this year that a pre-approved public advocacy campaign has been censored. In July, a similar billboard was banned at Adelaide Airport despite initial clearance. Was it banned? The airport said promoting... Political campaigns.
00:41:25
Speaker 5: It was a political reason.
00:41:27
Speaker 4: Well, it was also a commercial reason, was it not? Because the airport has a pretty obvious stake in major events taking place in South Australia.
00:41:35
Speaker 5: Well, they didn't say that.
00:41:36
Speaker 7: And then I've driven past through the airport recently and they still have the Bob Brown Foundation anti-logging... ads up on that.
00:41:46
Speaker 4: Billboard at the airport. Yeah, that's why I think it's a commercial decision.
00:41:49
Speaker 5: But why didn't they say that then?
00:41:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe they felt it was- Just say the.
00:41:52
Speaker 7: Airport supports major events because it benefits us. I think people would understand that.
00:41:56
Speaker 4: I think so too.
00:41:57
Speaker 5: No one would begrudge them that.
00:41:58
Speaker 4: Because you're right, otherwise it's inconsistent.
00:42:00
Speaker 5: Then it's lying.
00:42:02
Speaker 4: So the Parklands Association saying it's a pattern. We can't speak on behalf of the venue. They say they know that the venue protest. I presume the Britannia Hotel people have this politically charged billboard that they would fear makes it look like that's their perspective.
00:42:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, and often those billboards aren't owned by the venues. The actual advertising space itself, they might pay the venue to rent that space above their site, but the venue itself doesn't own the ad.
00:42:31
Speaker 5: But I don't know if that's the case in this situation.
00:42:33
Speaker 4: It's not exactly free speech under threat.
00:42:36
Speaker 5: If you're paying for it. Is it free? If you have to pay to have your speech.
00:42:40
Speaker 4: Rating someone's commercially owned space to broadcast a message and them deciding it's not a place for it is not an infringement on your right to freedom of speech. You can still protest. You can still say whatever the hell you want.
00:42:51
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:42:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:42:52
Speaker 7: I would think surely a decision should be made before the ad is approved and money's been taken.
00:42:58
Speaker 5: That's strange.
00:42:58
Speaker 4: That's very strange.
00:43:00
Speaker 5: If you work in that industry and you get it. campaign come to you saying, can we advertise this? Don't you have the discussion prior to accepting money and approving?
00:43:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, so something weird has happened. Yeah, that one's worthy of further consideration. That's just come in whilst we've been speaking. This came in a little earlier, but we just want to flag this this morning. Have a listen to this.
00:43:18
Speaker 21: The Sheraton Fiji Golf and Beach Resort, $ 2, 113, 000.
00:43:20
Speaker 3: The Sofitel, $ 2083, 706 is the amount.
00:43:21
Speaker 21: The Hilton $ 1, 051, 091.
00:43:31
Speaker 1: The Radisson Blue, $ 19, 166. Okay, so you get the picture.
00:43:33
Speaker 9: This is a lot of money that's been spent on hotels in Fiji.
00:43:35
Speaker 3: This is for the pre-COP 31 climate summit in Fiji. The Sheraton sounds lovely.
00:43:39
Speaker 10: $ 2.
00:43:39
Speaker 1: 1 million?
00:43:39
Speaker 20: $ 2.
00:43:39
Speaker 4: 1 million. They weren't living there for six years. At one hotel. No, at one hotel. And that's right, there are other hotels there as well.
00:44:03
Speaker 7: I think it was $ 35 million, the total bill.
00:44:09
Speaker 4: $ 34. 6 million was the total for the summit and the event from Australian taxpayers.
00:44:16
Speaker 7: Taxpayers have paid this for Chris Bowen and a whole bunch of other public servants to go and stay in hotels.
00:44:24
Speaker 4: And look, I generally have an open mind when it comes to expending money on international relations and things because if you don't, someone else will, and when that someone else carries favour, you generally have problems in your neck of the woods that will cost a lot more down the track. No big names turned up to this. It was a pre-meeting for COP31, which is about the environment. There is no justification for this level of expenditure.
00:44:52
Speaker 7: You know the other point that I took out of it? Remember how we were maybe going to have a COP conference?
00:44:58
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:44:58
Speaker 7: Imagine other governments coming here and spending $ 35 million in our hotels.
00:45:01
Speaker 4: That would have been nice.
00:45:02
Speaker 5: How good would that have been?
00:45:03
Speaker 4: That would have been quite an infusion of cash. I'm just trying to calculate what would the room rate have been at the Sheraton Fiji? Of course they'd bump it up. They must have.
00:45:13
Speaker 5: When they see a booking from the Australian government.
00:45:16
Speaker 4: We would have booked out the whole hotel. What's a room cost? I don't know. $ 15, 000 a night.
00:45:20
Speaker 7: And we'd like all meals included because we'll be too busy. We don't want to cook any meals or.
00:45:25
Speaker 5: Worry about that.
00:45:26
Speaker 4: Staggering. A staggering amount of money on that one event. 16 after 7. Let's head to Israel because polls have closed there in an election that is being watched right around the world. Benjamin Netanyahu looking to be returned. The biggest turnout. We'll actually get Ben Downey to confirm this. It was on track to be the biggest voter turnout since 1973. Possibly the biggest ever. The main contender, Gardie Eisenkot, was a former defence minister in the government there. Irrespective of what the polls say, the exit polling and the counting, this one will take a while because a lot like a lot of continental European countries... Israel has a proportional representation system, so no one has ever had a majority. No one's ever won majority.
00:46:11
Speaker 5: They always have coalitions.
00:46:12
Speaker 4: They always have coalitions. So it'll take a while to work out, but Ben Downie's on the ground in Tel Aviv for Seven News and joins us now. Ben, good morning to you. Do we have any numbers yet, any sense of how this is going to play out?
00:46:25
Speaker 18: It goes, good morning. I'm at Benjamin Netanyahu's food party, HQ, as more of these results come in. Now, we've had exit polls from the main Israeli TV stations, and they tell a pretty mixed story. Anyone hoping for really a definitive result will be disappointed. The short answer is Benjamin Netanyahu, for the near future, will remain prime minister until a governing coalition can be formed.
00:46:48
Speaker 4: Is party.
00:46:48
Speaker 18: Look, Good Party has the most seats going by these polls, but the coalition has fewer than the opposition's coalition, which means Netanyahu doesn't really have a path to the magic number of 61 seats required the former parliamentary majority in the Israeli Knesset. Gadi Isenkot, the former IDF chief of staff, you mentioned, he's sitting in coalitions two seats or three seats above, depending on your poll, 53 to 50 against Netanyahu. Also, not without a clear part of the party. What does that mean? Well, one of the real stories emerging right now is the overwhelmingly surging Arab vote with the two majority Arab parties reaching around between 17 and 18 seats. They currently sit as potential kingmakers going forward. So what's likely to happen, even as more of these results come in, one of these two coalitions is going to have to compromise and break an election promise and potentially do a deal for parliamentary supply with one or two of these Arab parties to get from 50 or 52 seats to over 61 or greater.
00:47:49
Speaker 14: Now, there's.
00:47:52
Speaker 18: The presumptive, the leader in this election polling, they'll have 30 days to form a governing coalition. If they can't, then the opportunity will go to the person whose coalition has come second. Fail to do that again, and we could be back at another poll. But the overwhelming intention from the Israeli president, the prime minister president, Isaac Herzog, is to have some kind of result without going back to a second poll. What does it mean in the short term? Benjamin Netanyahu survives. The referendum on his time in office, though, was actually rejected. We just don't have someone who has a clear mandate to take over.
00:48:28
Speaker 5: So will either of.
00:48:30
Speaker 7: The major parties form a coalition with those Arab parties that you mentioned?
00:48:34
Speaker 5: You would think not.
00:48:35
Speaker 3: No.
00:48:37
Speaker 14: No, you won't.
00:48:38
Speaker 18: I mean, Benavent Gnani's coalition is the more right-wing one. It has support from ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Haredi community. As you might imagine, they are completely opposed to forming any kind of coalition with Arab parties, as well as some of the far-right ministers, Bezalel Smotrich and Ismail Ben-Ghazi, are actually sanctioned by the International Criminal Court, and they're actually in restaurants out for those individuals. Now, they refused, if they were to, if Netanyahu were to do a deal with Arab parties, then those parties in his coalition would then break. But then you've got Guarding Eyes, who, now he has a broad support, now he's made a pledge that he won't go.
00:49:19
Speaker 13: To these Arab parties to supply.
00:49:21
Speaker 18: But because his party has actually got fewer votes than they were anticipating, there might be some actual trouble there to say, hey, look, you voted for me, I made this pledge, but we're expecting.
00:49:31
Speaker 12: To have a greater turnout.
00:49:32
Speaker 18: We don't have that. It might provide him some kind of a struggle to actually go to some of these Arab parties and form some kind of coalition. That is all academic at.
00:49:41
Speaker 4: This stage, though.
00:49:42
Speaker 18: We are very much days away from getting a definitive coalition being sorted out. At this stage, it looks like Netanyahu doesn't have the numbers he returned to. However, he has survived or defied political gravity before. He has snatched victory from the jaws of electoral defeat. This now is not just a case of raw numbers and arithmetic. It's also a case of negotiation for positions in a potential government or cabinet positions. He might be able to offer someone what pledges he might be able to offer someone. His party has gone and actually made formal complaints about improper conduct, about Arabic polling stations and also talked about potential vote corruption as well. So that's the narrative people have to keep an eye on. This race is far from being run yet. We'll get some more results coming in over the next few hours. But I'd say wait around the days, weeks, even longer.
00:50:37
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, Ben, that was a great wrap, mate. Thank you. Ben Downie for Seven News in Tel Aviv. We'll have more On that, on 7 from 6 o'clock tonight, there's a potential to shape the region, the outcome of that. But from everything Ben said, we're not going to know probably for 30 days of negotiation and wrangling and trying to form together, cobble together some sort of coalition. Very foreign kind of concept here in Australia. There was the Gillard minority government that took– I mean, people complained about the length of Rob Oakeshott's speech on that day. And that actually felt like it went for 30 days, but it actually didn't.
00:51:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's a concept that might become less foreign to us as the political.
00:51:20
Speaker 7: Landscape continues to fracture and different minor parties now become major parties.
00:51:26
Speaker 5: And maybe we need.
00:51:28
Speaker 7: To look to Europe to get a bit more used to the concept of coalition government.
00:51:32
Speaker 4: I think that's quite an astute observation. All right, 22 after seven. Let's check traffic and we'll come back with more in just a moment here on 5AA Breakfast. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is bringing exclusive performance at Rundle Mall this Friday.
00:51:45
Speaker 3: Knock down. Build two.
00:51:46
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
00:51:53
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
00:51:55
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:51:57
Speaker 4: 27 after 7, Sean Fuster shortly. We'll go around the courts with Sean and then before 8 o'clock, David Koch, the... compare the market economic director and Port Adelaide Football Club chairman will be on the program. A huge day today for people with mortgages, for people anticipating the movement of the RBA on Melbourne Cup Day, maybe people with savings accounts that they'd like to see earn some more interest because the inflation data is going to come out. Kosh, you'll give us a sense of which numbers to look at. There's not really any anticipation of good news.
00:52:36
Speaker 14: No.
00:52:37
Speaker 7: However, the last time we spoke to Koshi, when the unemployment numbers came up, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he said this puts a rate rise down to 20%. It was, and now it's back up to about 60%.
00:52:49
Speaker 5: Why does it change so quickly? Do we all just need to stop buying Halloween decorations? Will that solve the problem?
00:52:55
Speaker 4: I think that would help.
00:52:57
Speaker 7: Do they take that into account? Because I know they do the seasonally adjusted- Yes. Inflation figure.
00:53:03
Speaker 4: They do take it into account.
00:53:04
Speaker 5: They take that out.
00:53:05
Speaker 4: Trim mean is their preferred measure these days, which takes out all the volatile things.
00:53:09
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:53:09
Speaker 4: The things that are going to shift. Holidays over Christmas, for example.
00:53:13
Speaker 5: Christmas spending.
00:53:13
Speaker 4: They adjust for all that kind of thing. That's the idea behind it. But, yeah, we'll find out a little bit later today with the CPI stuff.
00:53:23
Speaker 19: Yeah.
00:53:24
Speaker 5: A lot of people. Really waiting to see.
00:53:27
Speaker 4: The other thing that directed it was the Reserve Bank governor made some comments, sorry, that I was going to say publicly that suggested they were hawkish when it comes to what their next move will be. So I think that adjusted people's expectations as well.
00:53:42
Speaker 5: The thing that kills me, and I'm sure most mortgage holders about this, is.
00:53:47
Speaker 7: We know it takes a while for an interest rate rise to kick in, to actually settle into people's budgets. It takes a couple of weeks for the bank to actually put your rate up and then it takes a few weeks after that for it to actually have an impact on household budgets and change some consumer habits. So it feels like the previous rate rise hasn't even started to be felt yet.
00:54:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:54:07
Speaker 7: And then they're going to make a decision now right before Christmas and they don't have another meeting.
00:54:11
Speaker 5: Until next year.
00:54:13
Speaker 7: So if they make a decision to put rates up now, that's impacting everyone for the next three months at a really hard time of year before we've even felt the impact of the last one.
00:54:23
Speaker 4: Merry Christmas. 29 after 7. 5AA news on the way back in a moment.
00:54:29
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
00:54:30
Speaker 2: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
00:54:37
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
00:54:39
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:54:41
Speaker 4: 21 to 8, Robbie Williams tickets up for grabs a little bit later this morning. Get thinking about the kind of things you'd like to see in your neighbourhood. That's the clue I'll give you for after 8 o'clock this morning. Robbie Williams tickets up for grabs. We'll take a whole stack of calls and give them away after 8. Let's go around the courts. In a criminal... Nope, that's one. It's time to go around the courts.
00:55:06
Speaker 11: We're Sean Fuster on 5AA Breakfast.
00:55:09
Speaker 4: The jury's our court. This is the actual court. In fact, this is a federal jurisdiction we're going to talk about this morning. Sean Fuster, the Chief Court Reporter of the Tizer, is on the line. Sean, good morning.
00:55:18
Speaker 9: Good morning, guys.
00:55:19
Speaker 12: That was the extended edition you're about to play.
00:55:21
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly right. I'm glad we've got you on to talk about this story, Sean, because I think our listeners would have a lot of outstanding questions about it, and it is the first of its kind. The young man who's been found guilty of breaching this federal law, and I think that's worth talking about briefly to set this up, the federal law regarding... AI deepfakes. He was found guilty, didn't go to jail. That's the subject of some conversation as well. But this is a very new law, isn't it? And it is a federal law.
00:55:51
Speaker 12: It is indeed a new law. It is indeed a federal law. There is a state law.
00:55:55
Speaker 10: That goes with it as well.
00:55:56
Speaker 12: And that was all part of the sentencing when it came to William Hamish Yates. And A few weeks ago here on the show, we all talked about this case, and I said to you at the time that I wondered out loud what the sentence was going to be, because when a judge is faced with the task of sentencing for something for the very first time, they set a precedent. And that precedent is then used by courts, in this case around the country, as a yardstick by which to measure the behavior of the next person that comes along. And we know from experience that judges like to sentence in a way that means there is always room for a worse case to turn up. Judges never like to use the maximum sentence. They always like to say, well, what if someone comes along who's worse than this set of offending and the sentence needs to be higher? If I sentence at the upper range and set a precedent for that upper range, then what room is there left for my brother and sister judges to sentence someone who comes along who is arguably worse? And I worried. And I said to you all, the listeners, I worried what kind of sentence we were going to see for Yates as a result of this. Well, the sentence we saw kind of merges in those concerns that I had with some concerns that we've talked about a lot before, both on this show and on Just Lawful. The big one being a previously undiagnosed case of autism. And that has really become almost a chestnut in defence in South Australia at the moment, this idea that, well, if you've done something completely abhorrent, such as spending months on end plastering an innocent woman's face on pornographic images of her, making AI deepfakes of her doing things, truly awful things, spreading them around not only South Australia but around the world with completely disgusting captions that I cannot put to air or in print, but trust me, they are awful, currying favour with the Andrew Pate misogynist manosphere by doing this, trying to ingratiate yourself with and seek validation from those people. Well, if you've got previously undiagnosed autism, perhaps you didn't know the wrongfulness.
00:58:06
Speaker 4: Of your actions. Previously undiagnosed. Doing a lot of work in that sentence. Sure. I spoke to someone who was in court as well, and they said, whatever you are imagining this is, it's way worse in terms of the stuff that's been created. And none of it's broadcastable, but it's horrific and it's awful. And it's not as though this, not that this is a defense, but it's not as though this was just made and sent out into the world. Her name was attached to this stuff, was it not?
00:58:33
Speaker 12: That's right. Her name, her graduation photo. And while we can't put out to air the sort of grotesque vulgarity that was involved in this, I'd like listeners to try to understand for a minute. Imagine someone taking the worst and most offensive pornography you can think of. Now imagine them putting your face to it, your name to it, telling the world that that is what you were doing, that is you in that image, and then encouraging others to to speak to you, contact you, and try to get you to expose yourself to.
00:59:05
Speaker 17: Do more of it.
00:59:07
Speaker 12: It is an absolute level of fraud. and humiliation that I think people will have trouble imagining invading their lives.
00:59:15
Speaker 7: The other thing I struggled with when I was reading about this, Sean, was the judge, and tell me if this is correct, saying it wasn't motivated by malice because this person man, kid, whatever we want to say, was desensitized by the online content that he was seeing.
00:59:32
Speaker 5: So he was part of this Andrew Tate manosphere.
00:59:34
Speaker 7: And because he, you know, got so deep down into the manosphere that he was desensitized to it.
00:59:39
Speaker 5: So, you know, he wasn't actually doing it with any malice. He just thought it was normal.
00:59:43
Speaker 12: That's exactly what the judge sent us on the basis of. She was satisfied by the evidence from psychologists that because of everything you just said, but also, again, that previously undiagnosed autism is and a previously undiagnosed compulsive sexual behavior disorder, he had no malice in his heart when he spent months doing this to this young woman.
01:00:04
Speaker 5: That is an absolute joke. So he won't serve any time?
01:00:09
Speaker 12: Unless he does something wrong, he won't serve any time. He's got a fully suspended sentence, what the federal jurisdiction calls a recognizance order, which for our purposes is the same as a suspended sentence. There's a certain amount of money hanging over your head, and a two-year jail term hanging over his head. And for the next three years, if he does anything wrong, a judge has the option of activating both that penalty financially and that sentence and sending him away to jail. So as far as he's concerned, if he keeps his nose clean for the next three years while he, and I shudder at this, continues to pursue his career at Adelaide University to become a lawyer, someone who apparently doesn't know right from wrong is going to become a lawyer in this state, and Maybe that's a commentary that I should leave alone at that spot right there. You've got this person who, for the next three years, if he keeps his nose clean, it's all over for him. As for the victim, there's.
01:01:01
Speaker 3: No end to this for her.
01:01:02
Speaker 12: Her photograph is out there forever.
01:01:05
Speaker 4: This is a disgrace. So, Sean, the thing is, let's circle this back to the start of this conversation. The imagined worst case version of a crime is the thing that the judges don't ever want to box themselves into. I mean, a lot of times when you've used that description, I thought I get that in terms of this is a serial killer. They killed three people, but what if they'd killed six? I actually struggle to think of how you can be much worse than the circumstances described in this story when it comes to creating an AI deepfake. It wasn't just one on a, you know, I'm not trying to diminish any form of offending, but I imagine on the lower end, one image shared a group of friends is a crime and should be punished and That's low rent. I actually struggle to imagine how you can do AI deep faking to affect someone's life in a way that's much worse than this.
01:01:54
Speaker 19: And how about we look at the law then?
01:01:56
Speaker 7: If a case is committed that is a worse case, why don't we change the law to ensure a bigger maximum sentence can be applied? Why not try and protect these people now when something just becomes an offence? Because now all I see we've done is given future offenders a blueprint on.
01:02:12
Speaker 5: How to get off.
01:02:12
Speaker 11: Hmm.
01:02:13
Speaker 12: And I can't disagree with either of you.
01:02:16
Speaker 7: Just say you've got autism. Just say, oh, I've been impacted by the manosphere. Andrew Tate told me to do it.
01:02:21
Speaker 5: And you get off. You don't have to go to prison.
01:02:23
Speaker 12: And I can't disagree with either of you because the thing about this is the reason why this isn't the worst case ever is because of what Stacey identified there, the lack of malice, because of what we just talked about then, the overriding previously undiagnosed condition. So theoretically, if the next offender doesn't have those things, Well, then the sentence is more severe because they did it maliciously and they did it knowingly.
01:02:46
Speaker 17: But because this.
01:02:47
Speaker 12: Poor young private school graduate who wants to be a lawyer didn't know all of these things, didn't realize all of these things about himself, well, he gets the court's sympathy, their mercy, their leniency in a way that someone who knows what they're doing and maliciously goes out to do it wouldn't. So that's why you've got to leave room for that, according to the court. We don't look at the effect on the victims. We don't look at the effect on the survivor. We look at the circumstances of the.
01:03:15
Speaker 5: Offender to determine what's worse.
01:03:18
Speaker 4: What is the maximum sentence, Sean?
01:03:21
Speaker 12: Maximum sentence is seven years.
01:03:23
Speaker 4: So seven. Seven years in jail, custodial sentence. That's right. This is two years suspended. It's not even considered at the midway point of the seriousness that you could you can attribute to this.
01:03:40
Speaker 12: It's less a yardstick and more a stepladder, really. A very, very small stepladder, a comedically small stepladder in terms of considering what happens in the next case. I mean, some prosecutor somewhere is going to have to argue with the next case that this matter, that Yates' matter, shouldn't even be considered by a court because of those underlying mental health issues, because of the underlying neurodevelopmental issues, because of the underlying neurological issues, because they're going to have to argue now, well, Yates is a one in a million. We can't base everything on his judgment, because if a prosecutor can't make that argument, then every case from here on in will be sentenced on the Yates scale. So this kid who wants to be a lawyer, he's set a precedent now. He's going to be in the law books forever, whether he likes it or not, just not in the way anybody wants.
01:04:24
Speaker 4: That poor girl. Imagine being that girl and her family, and that's happened to her. And the courts in this country have said it doesn't rise to the level of offending, that that requires time spent in jail. What an absolute offence to that poor family.
01:04:40
Speaker 12: Guys, I want to commend her and her family. They are some of the strongest, bravest, most noble, most poignantly speaking people I've had the terrible privilege of encountering in court. The way that she held herself together yesterday while this was going on, having to listen again in court for what was done to her in order to arrive at this sentence, the way that her family and her friends backed her up. She has all the support in the world. I just hope she now gets all the privacy in the world to heal as much as is capable from this and figure out how she chooses to go forward, knowing that this is the outcome that's come from the courts.
01:05:18
Speaker 4: God, it makes your blood boil. That's just ridiculous. Sean, remarkable.
01:05:23
Speaker 5: Thank you, I think.
01:05:23
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking this inside the court.
01:05:26
Speaker 12: As always, thanks, guys.
01:05:27
Speaker 4: Sean Fuchs to the Chief Court Reporter for Tizer. Len sent through an interesting text. I often wonder this. How do people on the autism spectrum feel about this? Because there's this sort of, aside from the specifics of this case, this kind of demonization, I think, inadvertently, of people that are on the spectrum, you can't tell right from wrong.
01:05:49
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:05:50
Speaker 7: And people on the spectrum, I don't know, I don't want to speak for them, but I think would be highly offended by this idea that you can commit a crime. turn up to court and say, I'm on the spectrum. I'm like these people.
01:06:01
Speaker 6: Sorry?
01:06:02
Speaker 7: We're not– I would think people on the spectrum would say, that's not us. A lot of people on the spectrum know right from wrong, and it's a spectrum, so obviously there's more severe and less severe cases, but yeah.
01:06:15
Speaker 4: How much time and effort legislators have spent writing a law to protect people from this new scourge of AI deepfakes, this comes up, and this is how it's interpreted by the court.
01:06:24
Speaker 5: Immediately, yeah.
01:06:27
Speaker 4: Nine minutes to eight. All right, let's check traffic. David Koch coming up in just a moment. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is coming to Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
01:06:35
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
01:06:35
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01:06:43
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast. And they will never tear us apart. David Koch on 5AA Breakfast.
01:06:58
Speaker 4: Port Adelaide Football Club Chairman and Compare the Market Economic Director, David Kosh. Koshy, good morning to you.
01:07:05
Speaker 10: Good morning to you from McLaren Vale, about to get on the big duck with the spirit of the Couronne.
01:07:13
Speaker 4: Oh, lovely.
01:07:15
Speaker 10: Big day ahead of regional board meeting for South Australian tourism.
01:07:18
Speaker 4: Were you there yesterday, Koshy, or were you just there last night?
01:07:22
Speaker 10: No, I was there yesterday, visited. Wera Wera, Maxwell.
01:07:28
Speaker 4: Jeez, it's a tough life, isn't it?
01:07:29
Speaker 10: Spoke with the industry. Wera Wera has a medieval catapult.
01:07:35
Speaker 4: Is that right?
01:07:36
Speaker 10: And I got to fire it. Only a watermelon. It wasn't a sort of big steel ball or anything.
01:07:44
Speaker 4: How far does it go?
01:07:45
Speaker 10: How good is that? It went about 150 metres.
01:07:50
Speaker 7: Wow.
01:07:51
Speaker 10: And I'd set up two goalposts. or AFL post and sailed through.
01:07:57
Speaker 4: There you go. Don't worry about orcas. We've got the catapult ready to go. I love it. Hey, Koshi, so today's CPI Day, so we're getting the September quarter inflation data. A lot of this is not going to be a surprise because we know a couple of things are true. Petrol went up in the quarter and some of the discounts started to come off in the quarter as well. Does that mean this is going to be the last nail in the coffin for a Melbourne Cup Day rate hike?
01:08:22
Speaker 10: 3.6% underlying inflation is the magic number. It's been stuck there. Not the headline rate. This is the underlying rate, trim mean, that the Reserve Bank look at. It's been stuck on 3.6% for a couple of months now. It is just not shifting. And what the trim mean does is takes out all the volatile elements of the basket. So it will water down the increase in petrol prices, for example. because some of those are just one-off increases and they settle down again. And now oil prices have been between $ 90 and $ 120 for a while, and it's reflected in the petrol price. So it's sort of smoothed that out. So the trim mean is the important one, 3.6%. If it comes in above that, well then, yes, I think it will be the final nail in the coffin. If it comes in at 3.6%, I don't know. I think with rising unemployment, that will be in the back of the Reserve Bank's mind and they could just hold off. If it comes under 3.6%, have a quiet sort of toast. of your favourite beverage because that will indicate to the Reserve Bank that maybe inflation is starting to slow down and that's a really good thing and that will keep rates at least on hold for a while and give the prospect of a rate cut sometime.
01:09:59
Speaker 14: In the future.
01:09:59
Speaker 10: So that's the signpost if you like to look out for today in the inflation figure.
01:10:08
Speaker 5: I was hoping I'd be more hopeful after this chat, Oshie.
01:10:11
Speaker 4: Does the result make note?
01:10:13
Speaker 7: Do we know how long it takes for a rate rise to impact the economy, to have its full effect?
01:10:20
Speaker 10: Well, your household budget, it impacts within a week because of all the variable home loans in Australia. We have the highest level of variable home loans basically in the world. So The impact is really immediate to our spending if you've got a home loan because the mortgage repayments go up. That's why interest rates aren't nearly as powerful in managing the economy in the US because only about 3% of their home loans are variable mortgage rates, would you believe? They're all 10 up to 30 and 50-year mortgages, some of them all fixed.
01:11:01
Speaker 4: Amazing.
01:11:01
Speaker 9: So they don't care.
01:11:03
Speaker 10: I know. That's it. That's why it makes such a big difference here. Now, interestingly, though, you've got some Reserve Bank board members, economists of the Reserve Bank, all sort of putting us through a bit of a softening up process over the last week. That's one of the things I fear at the moment, their language coming out saying we may need to go again.
01:11:27
Speaker 12: Are they.
01:11:29
Speaker 10: Are they just warming us up for one? So that is not a good sign, but it is probably one of the most important CPI figures in a long time out today.
01:11:40
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Koshy. Give us plenty to look to when those numbers come out in a couple of hours' time. David Kosh, Port Adelaide Football Club chairman and Compare the Market economic director. I just want to mark the point. We have received so many texts today People outraged about our chat with Sean Fuster around the courts. We will read a couple of them out because I think they deserve to be read out. Really well-written, long paragraphs of outrage. But people can't believe that in Australia, a sentence like the one we've just heard with regard to new AI deepfake laws can be the one that sets the standard for conduct in that space because the details we just heard were horrific. And the sentence, certainly in the view of our listeners, is that it is pathetic that's coming up in a moment.
01:12:25
Speaker 2: Knock down bill two with metro homes sell one and move on keep the other as an investment metro homes they do it all for you will.
01:12:34
Speaker 11: Goodings with stacy lee this is five double a breakfast.
01:12:39
Speaker 4: 11 minutes after eight breaking eight coming up in just a moment we've got robbie williams tickets to give away as well that's happening this half hour then after 8 30 he's the host of the most popular politics podcast on planet Earth, Alistair Campbell, former Director of Communications in the Blair Labor Government in the UK, coming to Adelaide for an evening with Alistair Campbell, who'll be on the program after 8.30 today. Looking forward to that. But we really want to do some texts on a range of subjects, as it turns out. One on the chat with Koshi we just had about the RBA and inflation data out today. Sim says, the texter, without a name, pondering this situation... I'm thinking it's people like me who are retired, have worked, paid mortgages, saved, struggled, gone without, raised children, too long to mention, and now have money, and now we're spending like drunken sailors, adding to inflation.
01:13:29
Speaker 5: It's quite reflective. Again, like you point out in that text, it's not your fault. You've worked your whole life.
01:13:36
Speaker 4: No, you've earned it.
01:13:36
Speaker 5: You're in retirement, you've saved your money, and you've got money to spend.
01:13:39
Speaker 4: There's an economic think tank called the E61 Institute that did a really interesting analysis the other day about the 12% super guarantee that we have now, saying... that this working generation now who have lived it, who live with 12%, will likely retire richer than they ever were when they worked, which feels like a misallocation of monies.
01:13:57
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:13:58
Speaker 4: So when you're trying to buy a house, when you're trying to raise kids, you'll be worse off financially than when you just stop working altogether as a result. It's food for thought. Scott says, I just looked up Wirra Wirra's catapult. It is indeed called the catapult when it, in fact, is a trebuchet, a very specific type of catapult. Why would you just have called it that, Scott in Modbreed? Sorry, Scott. Scott's a halberd, not a spear guy. I love medieval weapon-related pedantry, Scott. Three stars. Now, I tell you who doesn't get three gold stars, and that is the judgment in the case of the first AI deepfake. This new law that came in in 2024 went to trial. The details too horrific to talk about. The person, the victim identified clearly in images sent around the world. So not just a fake image, but fake with words and her name to be identified and sent everywhere. I mean, good luck erasing that from the internet. You can't. Suspended sentence. People are fuming and we're with them. Guy says, let's hope the DPP appeals this disgraceful sentence. My wife and I were screaming at the Channel 7 News report. This is where the justice system sits in Australia. Soft sentences, no consequences for unacceptable behaviour. We are a joke.
01:15:13
Speaker 5: Can I just read this text?
01:15:15
Speaker 21: Yeah.
01:15:15
Speaker 7: They want to stay anonymous because they say, my son is autistic and he is furious about this type of defence. He is the first one to say that his father and I have always insisted that just because he's autistic, it's not a free pass to do whatever he wants. For his privacy, I wish to remain anonymous. And it's echoed by this text saying, people on the autism spectrum would be insulted that this is a get out of jail free card. My son is on the spectrum and he's highly functioning. He's highly intelligent. He's very aware of right from wrong and in fact could probably recite the law if needed. This smells like a lawyer looking for all options at the expense of those with autism.
01:15:55
Speaker 4: It feels as though we drafted a law to protect the very person that was a victim in this case and it has failed. So you can go back and change the law, I think, a federal law. And in the absence of an appeal, Ben Jordan and others are saying the DPP, like in the NEMA case, maybe this is one to have a look at. Because again, to Sean Fuster's point, whenever now someone gets charged under this offence, they're going to spend the entire case arguing about why this judgment needs to be set aside. So I think in the first instance, this law's not working.
01:16:25
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:16:26
Speaker 4: If this can happen, it's not working.
01:16:27
Speaker 7: Because that guy who committed a more serious offence, he got off. So my client shouldn't even be considered.
01:16:34
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:16:34
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:16:35
Speaker 6: All right.
01:16:36
Speaker 4: Let's hope it gets appealed. Thank you for all those very well-crafted texts. It's time for Breaking A Note.
01:16:46
Speaker 7: Adelaide City Council met last night, which always provides us with some good Breaking A Note content. And last night's relates to a motion that was put forward about not accepting sponsorship, the council not accepting sponsorship from oil and gas companies. And then it took a couple of twisty turns along the way. Aman Abrahimsadeh is a councillor and joins you this morning.
01:17:14
Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Aman. Thanks for your time.
01:17:17
Speaker 22: Good morning, Stacey. Good morning, Will, and to your listeners.
01:17:20
Speaker 7: So the original intent of this motion, I imagine, was to send a message about, you know, council not wanting to take money from oil and gas companies.
01:17:31
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:17:34
Speaker 22: Look, there were probably two parts to the original motion which was brought in. And I'm just going to remind you and your listeners of the article that was published in the paper a couple of days ago. And that was essentially around the fact that we have Santos Tour Down Under that takes place in the city. But there are a number of councillors who have happily accepted Santos Tour Down Under tickets, whether it's to races, to dinners and other events. And so when I saw the motion come through the chamber last night, there were two main components to it. One of them was to stop advertising on council-controlled signage or council-owned property. And the other component, which you alluded to, was the sponsorship, not to accept any sponsorship from businesses that are, I guess, in the business of extracting oil, gas and coal. And so I thought, you know, councillors in there have the right and prerogative to take certain positions and introduce motions like this. That's fine. But I wanted to bring some balance to the equation and say, if you are going to stop council from... advertising on council-controlled signage on council-owned property, then why don't we make it fair and stop accepting hospitality offerings, whether that's tickets to races, tickets to dinners, or any other events, where a sponsor is a business that is extracting oil, gas or coal. So you can't have the cake and eat it. You can't just say, no, these are the standards that we will have. Well, let's stop accepting all of these free tickets that councillors have in the past, happily accepted. And I'll be honest, I'll go on the record and say, yes, if you look at the council benefits register, I have accepted tickets in the past and there are some of the councillors that actually supported this motion, which in my opinion doesn't really, well, we won't get to that, but there are plenty of people who will happily take a position and say, we don't like those businesses that extract oil, gas and coal, but they have taken tickets to events. Well, from July next year, if the motion continues through and if the next council, which kicks in from April next year, if the next council doesn't change direction, then this is something that we will see get implemented.
01:20:16
Speaker 10: And I'm not sure... It.
01:20:18
Speaker 22: Will have implications. And my interpretation of it is, you know, we've got all of these polls throughout the city. And if it's, you know.
01:20:30
Speaker 22: Tour Down Under season, you will see all of these flags that get put up and, you know, it will clearly display Santos Tour Down Under event, Santos being the major sponsor of the event. So I don't know what that means for Tour Down Under post-July next year. I don't know what that means for BP Grand Final post-July next year. And they're the only two events and races that sort of come to mind. I don't know whether if there are other events where we have a sponsor that has, yeah.
01:21:04
Speaker 4: Santos. Let's just talk about Santos for a second, shall we? The biggest company headquartered in Adelaide employs about 700 people on Flinders Street and there's people on the Adelaide City Council that want to act like these guys are people traffickers.
01:21:18
Speaker 1: I reckon if.
01:21:20
Speaker 4: No, go ahead, Armand.
01:21:21
Speaker 22: No, no, I was going to say that Our council administration highlighted that, Will, so I think that's a very fair point because we have an economic development strategy that talks about bringing people into the city. If there are workers that are coming into the city, you give them good amenity, you give them a good experience. So we've got all of these other policies and strategies that want to bring people in the city and there are, as you rightfully highlighted, there is Santos, there is BHB, there are so many other energy and utility companies that are bringing so many workers into the city. But on the other hand, we're saying, oh, no, what do I want to do with these businesses? So, look, I try to make it fair. And again, I'll be honest and transparent and say the overall motion, even in its amended form, I did not support because I just thought it, personally, I thought it's hypocritical.
01:22:16
Speaker 14: Yeah.
01:22:17
Speaker 4: It's hypocritical and it's self-defeating. It's a cutting off your nose to spite your face. Wait, do they think Sea Shepherd are going to fill up that building on Flinders Street? Seriously.
01:22:28
Speaker 5: And it's not just the building, it's the event.
01:22:29
Speaker 7: Imagine if the TDU didn't go through the city. Imagine if they weren't, the TDU didn't have their, what's it called? You know, on Victoria Square, they take over the festival part.
01:22:39
Speaker 5: Imagine if they headquartered that in Unley.
01:22:42
Speaker 7: Or Norwood instead and just didn't bring any racers or cyclists into the city and told them, you know what?
01:22:47
Speaker 5: Don't rent a hotel in the city.
01:22:49
Speaker 7: Get an Airbnb in the suburbs because Adelaide City Council doesn't want us there.
01:22:52
Speaker 4: This is turbocharged university student politics.
01:22:56
Speaker 22: And I think they're very good points. And I think the stakeholder that I'll be, I guess, you know, keeping an eye on to see what their reaction is, that is the state government.
01:23:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:23:09
Speaker 22: Because if they're involved in... in these sorts of events, which it sounds like they are. I'll be keen to see what their reaction is. And yeah, I would say probably to you and to all of your listeners, watch this space, particularly over the next few months to see exactly what happens here and watch the tour down under post-July next year, watch the BP Grand Final post-July next year to see what those events look like and what sort of implications this policy position has.
01:23:42
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:23:42
Speaker 6: All right.
01:23:43
Speaker 4: Thank you, Aman. Aman Abarif Mazzadeh, City of Adelaide Councillor.
01:23:51
Speaker 5: So this text, I think, sums it up. Where is it? South Australia, the self-sabotaging state.
01:23:57
Speaker 4: It is. Total self-sabotage. We want people to come into the city, but we don't want them to drive a car. We want people to come into the city, but we don't want the 700 people that work and our biggest employer in the city.
01:24:08
Speaker 14: Yep.
01:24:08
Speaker 7: We want them to come to the city, but not for an event that's sponsored by a big oil and gas company, without which sponsorship that event might not be able to take place in our city to bring people in.
01:24:20
Speaker 4: And you know what? You've got the freedom to be an environmental crusader, and good on you. You can do that in Australia. We have a free speech and a political system where all rights and all views can be represented. But we have succeeded the best in this country. If this is your desire, we've had the best success transitioning to net zero, and it comes on the back of gas firming up the grid. It's not possible without that.
01:24:49
Speaker 7: We could not survive without gas right now. We are surviving without coal, but we could not survive without gas.
01:24:54
Speaker 4: I've been doing this for 12, this is our 12th year, and it's breathtaking. The Adelaide City Council, I mean, I doffs my cap. They're still throwing 100-mile-an-hour fastballs.
01:25:04
Speaker 5: You're wondering how they can get worse and worse.
01:25:06
Speaker 4: They can still do it. Now, good on them. They can still do and say the most outrageously stupid things. All right, let's check that one. Seriously, Santos, treading like the bubonic plague there on Flinders Street. Unbelievable. Traffic. No, actually, before we do that, I've lost my way. Paddy's upset. I'm upset. Let's give away some Robbie Williams tickets to get this thing back on track, shall we? Robbie Williams is back and bringing his Britpop tour at Adelaide Oval. Tickets are on sale from today. Head to FrontierTouring.com to get yours. Now, a lot of, not in my backyard, nimbyism in the news at the moment with the data centre in the hills. We've got, what was that, racquetball business that was, whatever they call that. That's a big issue at the moment. We want to know what something that you do want in your backyard is. What's something you want in your suburb? It could be anything. It could be food. It could be a service. You know what? Be as creative as you like. I don't want to lead the winners.
01:26:02
Speaker 5: What do you, yes, in your backyard.
01:26:04
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01:26:15
Speaker 5: Rosanna Mangiarelli here from 7 News.
01:26:17
Speaker 7: Join me and Will Goodings for Adelaide's leading news hour, 7 News, tonight at 6 o'clock.
01:26:25
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:26:33
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:26:37
Speaker 4: All right, let's give away some Robbie Williams tickets. We're wanting to know what you want in your backyard. Graeme in air, what would you like in your neighbourhood?
01:26:44
Speaker 8: Oh, Will, hi, Stacey.
01:26:46
Speaker 14: How are you?
01:26:46
Speaker 3: Good.
01:26:48
Speaker 12: Good, good.
01:26:48
Speaker 18: I'm a drummer. I've been a drummer for a long, long time, and I could do with a couple more music shops around the area.
01:26:55
Speaker 4: All right, music shops. Thank you, Graeme. Bill and Shelton, what do you want in your area?
01:26:59
Speaker 14: I want a McDonald's a lot closer to me, a Big Mac, a sausage sizzle.
01:27:03
Speaker 4: Now we're talking.
01:27:03
Speaker 12: Sausage and bread McMuffin, chocolate sundaes.
01:27:06
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Bill.
01:27:07
Speaker 22: Stop.
01:27:08
Speaker 4: Paul in West Lakes, what would you like in your backyard?
01:27:10
Speaker 8: I'd love a set of the old medieval stocks, and whenever councils make silly decisions, one of them gets nominated to go on stock duty where we can all go and throw maybe some tomatoes at them or something.
01:27:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, chuck a lettuce at someone. Good stuff. All right, Vinnie in Grange, good morning. What do you want in your neighbourhood?
01:27:27
Speaker 10: Good morning, folks.
01:27:27
Speaker 14: How are you? I reckon I'd like to have a fruit and veg swap. Don't waste fruit. Oh, I like that idea. And you swap over, you know, dealing and wheeling.
01:27:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, too many lemons, swap it for a zucchini from your neighbour.
01:27:41
Speaker 4: I like that. Nice one, Vinnie. Travis, what would you like in your backyard?
01:27:44
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, I would love a designated concert area, something similar to the Sydney Music Wire Bowl in Melbourne, so we could have concerts constantly going on and we'll wear you there at Christmas time.
01:27:56
Speaker 4: Very good, Travis. Thank you. Robbie in Hyde Park, what would you like in your backyard?
01:28:01
Speaker 18: Oh, good morning, guys.
01:28:02
Speaker 16: I would love, I want the kids off iPads and gaming.
01:28:06
Speaker 18: I really want a really cool skate park for scooters and skateboards. Jump, ramp, the whole lot.
01:28:13
Speaker 4: Good idea, Robbie. That's good. Great suggestions there.
01:28:16
Speaker 5: Some great suggestions.
01:28:17
Speaker 4: Some good yimbyism. Who wins the Robbie Williams tickets?
01:28:20
Speaker 5: I reckon Vinnie for the fruit and veg swap.
01:28:23
Speaker 4: Vinnie, you've got Robbie Williams tickets coming your way. These tickets are worth $ 500. This is unbelievable, these tickets, to go see Robbie Williams, the Britpop tour that's coming to Adelaide Oval. Tickets are on sale, so head to frontiertouring.com.
01:28:38
Speaker 3: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metronome.
01:28:40
Speaker 5: Homes.
01:28:40
Speaker 2: Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
01:28:44
Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
01:28:46
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
01:28:48
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:28:50
Speaker 4: 18 to 9. We've been contacted by the state government with regard to Breaking 8 this morning and the council motion that would see Advertising that emanates from oil and gas producers banned, which would have direct ramifications for at least two major events in Adelaide, the Santos Tour Down Under and the BP V8 Grand Final Sprint. The state government says if council bans the promotion of the TDU's naming rights sponsor on council property, it risks jeopardising the future of the tour village in Victoria Square, which attracted more than 70,000 visitors to the CBD during this year's event. Councillors cannot vote to shut out a major sponsor and simply assume There'll be no consequences for the event or the city businesses that benefit from it.
01:29:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, those city businesses that pay their rates to Adelaide City Council to keep the council going.
01:29:36
Speaker 4: Arman made the point that state government intervention will be an interesting thing to watch here, and I think they've fired a shot across the bow there. 17 to 9, if you are a lover of digesting political podcasts and so forth, you will well know the rest is politics now. podcast co-host Alistair Campbell. If you followed British politics at all, you'll know him as the Director of Communications in the Blair Government, a forthright thinker of the state of politics in that country and indeed around the world, who is coming to Adelaide on the, what was it, two weeks time basically, the 18th of November at the Festival Theatre, and he joins us now on 5AA Breakfast. Alistair Campbell, good morning to you.
01:30:14
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: Great to have you on. It's such a fascinating time to talk politics in the world at the moment, and I want to start with one of the topics you're broaching at the talk when you come here, the rise of populism. And we're seeing it almost uniformly. It started with Donald Trump and Marga and reform in the UK, the AFD in Germany, One Nation here in Australia. To what do you put down this seemingly uniform rise in a country with all these disparate domestic political issues?
01:30:44
Speaker 3: Yes.
01:30:46
Speaker 21: Well, I think there is a kind of international element to it.
01:30:48
Speaker 1: I think they support each other.
01:30:51
Speaker 21: They use each other's ideas and tactics and methods. I think you've got to wind back a fair bit. I think it's weirdly, I think it probably started with Berlusconi in Italy. I think he was one of the first guys who worked out that. you know, getting your hands on the levers of media and allying that to a populist message. And you throw in, you know, one of your most famous sons, Rupert Murdoch, and the way that he transformed.
01:31:16
Speaker 1: The way that media operates.
01:31:18
Speaker 21: But I think if there's one thing that maybe is, there's no one single cause, but if I had to, if you forced me to name one, I would say it's the global financial crisis. and the feeling that a lot of people have that they didn't cause it, the people who caused it, they got bailed out, and the public who had nothing to do with it, they paid the price. I think a lot of it goes back to that, because that's what has led, in some degree, to the sense that living standards just aren't rising across a lot of the major democracies.
01:31:50
Speaker 17: In the world.
01:31:51
Speaker 21: And then I think the other thing is I wouldn't underestimate just how much having Trump as the loudest, most powerful person politician on the planet as yeah and the politics he represents I think that does have an effect around the world but I think it's beginning to I think it's beginning to go backwards I think there's a sense that you know you take the three elections we've just had this week you know they've all been pretty bad for Trump and his side of policies Brazil Bolsonaro losing Serbia the students getting rid of Vucic and now I think in Israel it's not that great for Netanyahu.
01:32:25
Speaker 7: We're talking here in Australia at the moment about a law to stop the algorithm on social media. And I wonder how much of a role you think that plays. Who do you think is responsible for that sort of rise in populism and dissent in political debate?
01:32:41
Speaker 5: Is it social media? Is it populism? Is it the politicians? Maybe it's, you know, journos and the media?
01:32:46
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:32:48
Speaker 21: I think it's a bit of all of it, but I don't think it would have– I think it's been exacerbated and fueled by the advance of technology. I could be wrong, but I think we will look back on the social media phenomenon a bit like we now look back on smoking. I think we'll just think, what was all that about? How did we allow that to happen? And I think the reason why the AI debate is becoming so difficult is because it's a lot of the same people who are kind of making the big bucks out of it. And they're sort of saying, yeah, well, you know, if you're a young person, you never get a job because AI does it. Well, don't worry, we'll sort of think about you later. So I think tech, I think the tech bros, the tech bosses never really explaining or understanding that with a change as big as that, you've got to take people with you, not just as consumers, but also as citizens. And I think, you know, the reason I got very, you know, when I met Peter Malinowskis, your Premier, when the first time I went to Adelaide a.
01:33:51
Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, his.
01:33:54
Speaker 21: Stance on social media and on funding in politics was what really sort of drew me to the politics that he was trying to take through. Because I think politics is hard enough without the kind of hate and the abuse and the online division that is now just a part of it for all of us.
01:34:10
Speaker 4: Do you feel like, Alistair, you've got a sort of, from the outside, a handle on the current state of Australian politics at the moment?
01:34:18
Speaker 1: I do my best.
01:34:20
Speaker 4: What's your view on it? Is anything from your perspective, does anything distinguish us from some of those broader patterns we're seeing in the Western world?
01:34:30
Speaker 21: Well, I've always been a great admirer of two aspects of your political system. One is the voting system, but even more so is the compulsory vote. And I've always felt that the compulsory vote would be part of the armory that protected you against extremism and populism of the right or of the left. And that doesn't seem to be the case right now. Now, I think as long as the governing parties and the mainstream parties kind of get their act together and really start to deliver for people in a very difficult environment. But also, I think, expose the populists for what they are. I've yet to see a populist leader anywhere in the world who's actually made their country or their region better. I've seen plenty of people who've managed to exploit difficulties, create and exploit division, create and exploit a sense of grievance. But then whenever, we're seeing here in the UK with reform, reform have won loads and loads of local councils. They're almost uniformly turning out to be a complete disaster. Nigel Farage is, you know, one of the kind of key populist figures around the world. uh, he, I think he's on the slide now because the money stuff is really, really, really starting to hurt. And so Trump, because Trump has got away with so much, I think he's going to, he's going to crash as well in the end, but because he's got away with so much, the populists think they.
01:35:54
Speaker 1: Can do what the hell they want. And that's what you've got to stop. And that's what you've got to expose.
01:35:59
Speaker 4: So if you sort of described a kind of horizon on the rise of, of, of these populist movements, I wonder what you forecast when it comes to, Russia and Putin, who I think I really enjoyed you once describing as the author of Lying as Strategy. What horizon do you see on the conflict in Ukraine?
01:36:18
Speaker 21: Well, this winter is going to be truly horrible for the Ukrainians, I think. I think they're having to come to terms with the fact that we'd like to maybe think that America could be relied upon to stay in the right place on it. I think it's hard to make that case right now. Europe has got to step up. Europe has absolutely got to be at the heart of it. I think it was the kind of things you think was encouraging today that the Norwegian, the Finnish president and prime minister of Norway and the Finnish president had a direct conversation with Putin. Because what's happened in the last couple of years is that Donald Trump and Putin's got Donald Trump exactly where he wants him. And Donald Trump has got himself in a position where it's almost like unless he says or does something, in relation to Ukraine nothing can happen well that's nonsense Europe I think has got to get itself into a position where it's it's where the Russians understand that Europe is in this for the long haul. Um, now would it be easier if the Americans were completely on board and didn't appear to be just sort of doing Putin's bidding?
01:37:23
Speaker 1: Of course it would. Of course it would. But I think that, you know, this, this winter is going to be tough. No doubt about it.
01:37:29
Speaker 21: Everybody wants this damn thing to end, but Putin's got to know that it cannot be ended on his terms.
01:37:35
Speaker 1: Cause I think that would be dangerous for, for the whole of Europe.
01:37:38
Speaker 10: Hmm.
01:37:39
Speaker 4: You mentioned you met our Premier Peter Malinowskis previously. You are chatting with him in conversation with your event coming here to Adelaide. What do you know of his politics? What do you like or want to explore with him when you're up there chatting?
01:37:56
Speaker 21: Well, what I was really, I really was impressed for the first time I met him because like within five minutes of meeting him, he was telling me about how he wanted to get social media under control. And he was telling me he wanted to get politics, money out of politics, big money out of politics. And it seems to me he's made massive progress on both of those. And in the social media thing, I mean, you know, it reminds me a little bit of when the Irish government was the first to ban smoking in public places in the workplace. And people thought they were crazy. Ireland's a real smoking, drinking culture. You must be crazy.
01:38:29
Speaker 1: They did it. It worked.
01:38:30
Speaker 21: And now it happens all around the world. And Peter Malinowski has had a similar effect in relation to social media. It went from South Australia, it went federal, and now it's happening in different parts of the world. So that was what impressed me. And I've kept in touch with him. I think he's a really smart guy.
01:38:46
Speaker 1: I know he's got issues.
01:38:47
Speaker 21: And, you know, I've had actually quite a few people saying, hope you're going to talk to him about the Stop the Chop campaign because we're really angry about trees being chopped down.
01:38:55
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I will. I will, for sure, because I love trees.
01:38:59
Speaker 21: But, you know, I think he's always, he's somebody, it seems to me, he understands the value and the importance of explaining and sometimes, yeah, taking really difficult decisions, but you've got to have You know, you've got to have an argument. You've got to give people a reason to believe and trust in you. And I think he's a very, very impressive politician.
01:39:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to have you guys in conversation about these issues and more. Looking forward to you coming to town. Alistair, great to chat with you. Thanks for your time this morning.
01:39:29
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. All the best.
01:39:31
Speaker 4: Alistair Campbell, the host of the Rest Is Politics podcast and, of course, former director of communications in the Blair Labor government in the UK. That show is on the 18th of November at the Festival Theatre if you'd like to buy tickets to get along. Let's check traffic. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond Musical is coming to Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
01:39:49
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
01:39:50
Speaker 2: Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment.
01:39:55
Speaker 3: Metro Homes.
01:39:56
Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
01:39:58
Speaker 11: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:40:04
Speaker 4: Three to nine. Let's have a look at the fuel situation to round things out on this Thursday morning when I refresh my screen. Breakfast. The petrol information, thanks to RAA. We love RAA. Get RAA road service. Don't get stuck on the side of the road. There it is. And the news, not so good compared to yesterday. The Yugo St Mary's South Road, $ 2.
01:40:24
Speaker 15: 13. 4.
01:40:24
Speaker 4: The Liberty at Camden Park, Morfitt Road is $ 2.
01:40:26
Speaker 20: 17. 5.
01:40:26
Speaker 4: The BP North Brighton on Brighton Road, $ 2. 19. 9. The diesel at Chep's Cross is probably the cheapest. The BP there on Main North Road, $ 2.
01:40:41
Speaker 3: 64. 5.
01:40:41
Speaker 4: So marginally up from yesterday. Again, petrol is going to be a big talking point over the course of the day when we get the CPI data that comes out. And we'll get probably some real crystal clear clarity around the Melbourne Cup Day rate rise this afternoon. You'll hear it on 5AA, of course, as that information does come to hand. But you never know. Maybe there'll be some surprise in the data. The way the RBA is talking, they're certainly not forecasting it, though.
01:41:09
Speaker 5: I just always try and be hopeful. I hold out a little bit of hope.
01:41:12
Speaker 4: Yep, absolutely.
01:41:13
Speaker 5: 3.6 is the number we want to see.
01:41:15
Speaker 4: Cheer on 3.6. Cheer on 3.6. All right, stick around. Graeme Goodings is coming up after 9 o'clock, and we'll catch you tomorrow morning from 6 o'clock on Thursday. We'll see you then. Is that a love trick?
