Mars vs. Pluto: the Pope, Beyoncé, Sinners, and Katy Perry in space

Episode 19

In this podcast, professional astrologers Chani Nicholas, Thea Anderson, and Eliza Robertson look to the sky to make sense of what’s happening here on Earth.

This episode brings you into the astrological group chat to talk about how the Mars–Pluto opposition and new Aries era have landed IRL. Covering everything from the Blue Origin flight to Beyoncé’s birth chart reading, the passing of Pope Francis, and the impact of Sinners’ success at the box office, we look back at how recent planetary power struggles manifested in the collective. Plus, we give a preview of what to expect when Saturn changes signs at the end of May. It’s practical. It’s fun. It’s chatty. And it’s the women x space collab you deserve.

Content warning: Vancouver and New Orleans terror attacks

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Welcome to Down to Astro episode 19

(03:06) - Previous Mars–Pluto predictions: revolution and struggles for power

(05:51) - Venus and Neptune in Pisces: women in space

(17:59) - Defying authority: the role of judges and the law

(20:57) - Violence and tragedy: the Mars–Pluto opposition reflected in recent headlines

(31:12) - The impact of Trump on the Canadian election

(39:02) - The passing of Pope Francis and its astrological significance

(46:17) - Economic turmoil and the role of Uranus

(56:30) - The influence of Venus in Aries: the Met Gala

(01:01:01) - Cowboy Carter and Beyoncé’s astrology

(01:11:20) - Sinners: 1932’s nodal return reflected in cinema

(01:20:50) - Ask us anything: the transition to Saturn in Aries

(01:24:41) - Imagining a new reality with the upcoming Saturn–Neptune conjunction

This episode was recorded on 04/29/2025.

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The song “Midas,” featured in the podcast, was created by NISHA and is available wherever you listen to music.

This episode also mentioned the following creative works:

• “The Astrology Podcast” hosted by Chris Brennan

• “Cowboy Carter” by Beyoncé

• “Cowboy Carter Art Book” by Beyoncé

• The New York Times/Siena Survey

P.S. The transcript for this episode is available here.