Wading Wisdom #18: Peter McLeod’s Ultimate Saltwater Setup

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Welcome everybody to another episode of Waiting Wisdom. Today I'm with Peter McLeod.
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Peter, great to meet you. And the first thing that caught my eye were those
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huge reels that you use for GT fishing apparently.
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Yeah, if you're going to fish for GTs, you need proper reels.
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You need reels which have got a, I like wide arbor reels these days.
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You get a faster rate of retrieve. You need ones which have got extremely powerful
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drag systems on them and with a very smooth startup immersion,
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which is absolutely crucial. Yeah.
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Because otherwise you end up with a thing going off like a gunshot and they'll
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just smash the fly lines. So you do have to be aware.
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I have brought with me today, these are my favorite current saltwater reels,
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which are the Hardy Regent, the Fortuna Regent series. Yeah.
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I've used every iteration that they have made. And so far, this is the sort
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of culmination of everything.
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Yeah. These are the lightest ones I've used so far.
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Thinks I'm a trout. So in terms of when I head out to the Seychelles,
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generally speaking, I'm fishing the outer atolls.
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So I am not carrying a seven or an eight weight because I'm carrying everything
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generally that I'm going to be fishing with.
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So I really just use a nine weight, which I use for bonefish,
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triggerfish, bumphead parrotfish, all the other fish in between,
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permit if they're around and that kind of thing.
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But my main weapon of choice is the 11 weight rig okay and that is my main flat
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gt rig and the main reason i like an 11 is because,
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it's a beautiful rod to fish with it's not quite so brutal
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as a 12 it tends to have a little bit more of a delicate presentation i know
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everybody thinks that gts will just smash everything that you put in front of
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them but that's not actually the case so an 11 weight gives me great flexibility
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it gives me good presentation but it still has the backbone to be able to stop
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a big fish if it's running on the flats.
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However, as you may have seen, quite a lot of the fishing we do is in the surf
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line, where the surf is actually crashing over the top of you quite a lot.
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And in that instance, we're probably no more than 300 yards away from the actual
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drop-off, where it goes straight from the flats down to about 1,800 feet.
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So for that, I need something with really serious stopping power.
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So if I pull some of these out, I'm currently using the Hardy Marksman Z range,
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which is a couple of years on the market, which I like a lot.
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So these, again, they're the sort of latest iteration of the Cintrix resin style rods.
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So we had the Pro Axis and the Zephyrus and the Zane Pro, and now there's this.
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And this has got a lovely kind of matte blank. I quite like that.
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In terms of action, they're probably a little bit easier on the arm than some of the earlier models.
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But most importantly, you can bend them almost double and they don't break.
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And that actually when you're out in the salt is absolutely key because you're
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quite often a very very long way away from a tackle shop yeah so you need to
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make sure that your kit is going to,
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pass muster and it's just
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one of those areas you never scrimp you've got to
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make sure that the kit is absolutely top notch
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yeah if there is a fault in your equipment somewhere a
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giant trevally is going to find it and it is going
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to smash you all over the place i mean i have seen horrendous things i remember
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seeing one client get out of a boat take a shot and he spent at least six months
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preparing for the trip he you know tested all the rods and he had his all reel
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rigged up and everything and he hit the first fish it did a 180 and,
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disappeared off it was not a small fish the line
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got wrapped around the reel seat of a mako reel and it
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ripped the reel off the reel seat smashed the reel
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into the bottom ferrule and took top three sections and the reel he was basically
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just sat there left in just left with the butt nothing left it was like welcome
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to gt fishing so yeah that's that's my kind of my setup here and that's the
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11 that is the that's the 12 of that one yeah the 11 is here.
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Again, I mean, they all look exactly the same, but they are of a standard and the nine weight as well.
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I mean, I've had like 45 pound bon pad parrotfish on the nine weight.
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It's got huge amounts of guts for a nine, yet will still present beautifully
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to a tailing bonefish or a triggerfish on the flats.
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So just going back to these reels, I mean, in one of your previous videos,
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I saw that Katka, she uses the 10,000, which, you know, is perfect.
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I use that on the 11, but when we're talking 12, then this is the really big
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one that I was talking about, which is the 12,000, which will retrieve about
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12 inches on every turn of the handle.
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And there are times when that fish is running towards you.
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That is really useful, really useful.
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What other toys have I got for the salt?
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Let's say with the line, for example, for a minute, what's on there?
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So these are Rio's, Rio Elites.
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This is the Rio Elite GT, the new one i was
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i helped develop the original gt but mostly because
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we had to have a fly line which had a breaking strain which
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was more than 30 pounds so we were looking at
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50 60 pound but they now build them all and their tarp and lines on a 60 pound
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core which is really useful because i've still got bits of fly line which have
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been turned into bracelet from previous previous tangles through a fish where
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the lines has gone off like a gunshot yeah i really like the profile on these,
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it's got a longer belly and allows you to aerialize a bit more line.
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You can be a bit more specific. And I hate short heads. Yeah.
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And the reason for that is I'm
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not against them, but they are built for fishing off the front of a skiff.
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So if you're standing in the surf line and you put out the cast and you haven't
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got it quite right, then you have to strip it all back in again to get to the
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point where the head begins where you can roll it out and then put it out again.
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Whereas the longer belly, you can literally pick the line up straight away and
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put it straight back down again and get the shot.
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So that for me is the line for GT fishing. They've got the new welded loop system on the front.
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So for years, we've never trusted welded loop, cut them off and made our own 50 pound braids.
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But now they have incorporated braid into the weld. Got it. And now they're
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okay, I trust them. Okay.
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So on that is level 120 pound mono.
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No messing around with IGFA reg leaders or anything like that.
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120 pounds, not particularly because of a straight pull snap.
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It's really to do with abrasion resistance.
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So when you are fighting a big GT and he's pushing into the coral,
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you want that extra protection because quite often you'll come back,
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whole lead is frayed to pieces, but you've still landed the fish.
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Whereas if that was on anything lighter, it would just be gone, gone straight away.
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On the 11 weight i'm using the same thing yeah
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same line how much backing do you have on there on here
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these reels take about 250 yards but
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i have got 80 pound spinning braid as my back a big
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bimini twist double loop on it which i can then loop to
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loop the fly line the double braid does then
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not cut into the back end of the fly line and
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when you hear 250 yards i would think you know that's a lot but
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i assume you put it on there for a reason you need every single
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yard and if i'm really honest my older ones had
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350 wow and the old really big 12 000 had 600 on it and there was one instance
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where i lost about 450 of it and you still sort of still managed out the fish
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oh yeah i mean it was still going still going unbelievable he had a bit of tide
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behind him but he was really moving and motoring and it was just like is this thing ever.
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But winding all that back in again was somewhat tiring yeah even if you pick
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up 12 inches exactly in a wind it's a lot it's gonna take a lot of winding because
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you're fighting it at the same time yeah so that's that's good fun,
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On the nine weights, I've done various tests on the bonefish lines alongside,
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but this is actually the permit line, the elite permit line.
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I like that one because it's better for kicking over slightly heavier crabs. Okay.
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And a lot of the fishing in the Seychelles that I do, we're using probably shrimp
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and crab patterns for even the bonefish because they're generally quite large,
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but also triggerfish and the bumphead parrotfish.
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So you want a line which you can still present delicately, just.
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Going to kick over the heavier flies a bit better what's a big bonefish in the
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seychelles a big one is probably 12 oh,
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You will find them up to about 10 in some of the outer atolls.
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Most of them on the inner atolls are probably between five and six average.
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So, I mean, it's a good average size. You don't find really big bonefish, though.
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Like, I mean, you would in St. Brandon's in Mauritius or some of those sort of Pacific atolls.
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So, generally speaking, that's containable. But when you start hitting into
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bumphead parrotfish, which are probably the biggest fish you'll ever see tail on a flat. Nice.
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That's quite exciting. Yeah. Quite exciting. Yeah. so yeah i like that one in
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terms of leaders yep we do something slightly different on that one and we use
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a sort of half fold butt so that almost acts as a sort of tapered tapered leader.
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It's got some give in it yeah so that if you are fighting a bigger fish and if suddenly it turns,
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then you've got a little bit of a bring in there and
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it's just going to take you by surprise yeah
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so that's quite useful and again i crowbar as much 80 pound braid
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on there as i can yeah i think i've got 150 170
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yards on on the nine weight and in terms of uh tidbit strength
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what's sort of an average they're not shy yeah 18 pound yeah no messing around
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yeah you know generally speaking if they see the fly they'll come and eat it
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and the length of the leader that you use um i probably don't go more than about
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12 feet mostly because it becomes uncontrollable yeah especially if it's
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the wind yeah yeah then i don't really want to go any longer most people can
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use nine feet and that's absolutely fine yeah yeah understood yeah,
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okay cool what should i what else do we have spare lines yep i always carry
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spare lines because it's very likely you'll cut at least one or two yeah i don't
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know if you've seen these before the omnispool switch boxes i've heard about
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them i've never really used them these are worth their weight in gold i must
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have a hundred of them with all the different lines because.
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You're spending 120 pounds on a fly line these days you've got to look after
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it yeah otherwise you see them all
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end up scrumpled in a box they sort of semi-salt saturated and it's just
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it's a nightmare so i have all of these they're all labeled
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up and then i've got a handle and the joy
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of these things is you can change a line very quickly in pitching
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boat yeah and you can just pop them off and slide
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them together this way around oh yeah
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that's a neat system and you can pop that between your feet yeah and
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then you can actually wind a fly line yeah really easily so i lost
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probably storing it is way better this way than you
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know just i've got a shelf at home
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and i just got right i'm going on this trip i need that line
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that line that line and that line yeah pick them up yeah and
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then they go straight into my real brief yeah so it's systems
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yeah and it also probably prolongs their lifespan right absolutely
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yeah yeah and that's really important when you are spending that
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amount of money on a guy line and when you say uh spare lines is that because
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sometimes a big fish will cut the entire line on like the wreath yeah exactly
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and it happens quite frequently so you need a couple of spare 12s yeah spare
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11s spare nine i always carry three or four I always carry a couple of dredging
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lines as well in case things get a bit slow and I need to go and fish off the edge.
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Okay. Some bigger dog tooth tuna or something like that. Yeah.
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Those are, they're like eight, nine euros.
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I mean, that's. I get it. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I would highly recommend
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anybody look at these if they haven't discovered them.
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Cool. What else do we have? Pliers?
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Yeah. Every saltwater fisherman needs a decent pair of pliers.
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Yeah. Not because they look cool. Yeah. They kind of do.
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But you really need something which you can tie knots properly with.
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Yeah. A lot of this 120 pound mono. Yeah.
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You basically need to put it on something and you get, you need to pull on the
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tag and tighten the knots up really tight.
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And then you need something to cut them. yeah and we can't use wire or anything
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like that because gts don't like yeah but they're just and for unhooking fish
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too yeah but they're not really long nose so i assume that's not really.
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Most gts hit hit the fly around the edge of the mouth anyway
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they're normally caught in the scissors because they normally hit fly and turn so
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it's uh it's fine you just got to work it out and you know we we're squashing
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all the barbs on the hooks anyway yeah yeah if you do catch a release that yeah
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it makes a lot more sense we've got to look after these things don't look after
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them and then they go back very well but you've just got to be gentle with them
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and careful and respectful yeah that makes sense yeah.
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Glasses glasses i mean if you saltwater fishing
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if you're going to go saltwater fishing with useless glasses don't
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bother yeah they are worth investing in
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i use costas i've got them in about three or
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four different types of lenses my favorites
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are these ones which are the
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green mirror finish which is a really good all-round lens
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based on a copper tint yeah and that's absolutely brilliant for most of the
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fishing that you're going to be doing then these ones which are the blue mirrors
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which are based on a gray finish and that is very good for very bright sunshine
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okay you really don't want to be squinting otherwise you tend to get headaches yeah.
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And then when it rains or it's horrible because it
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does that even in the tropics yeah believe it or not most great cool
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do these are the sunrise mirrors yeah so
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a little more like a low light lens those are like my happy glasses
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yeah you put those on it's like wow yeah okay i can see everything and
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it almost gives you an unfair advantage to be honest and i also use these
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when i'm when i'm guiding here yeah i was gonna say like you know
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that this is my most prized possession and
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i look after those because they're quite hard to find yeah so yeah
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lots of glasses yeah i know that seems quite extravagant but if you're just
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going to get one set yeah go for something copper based or amber based those
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are going to be your base i like mirrors because the reflection just stops your
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eyes getting tired yeah and have you had the experience for example talking
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about glasses that they also give you an advantage in terms of seeing fish?
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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, especially those in low lights,
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as you can often see an extra 30 yard further through the glare than even the
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guide on the polling platform.
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They really are, they're fantastic, fantastic.
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But, you know, if you can't see the fish, especially in the salt.
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You're actually putting yourself at a massive disadvantage and it makes it harder
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for a guide to show you and instruct you where those fish are coming from. Yeah.
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So yeah, glass is absolutely key. Great.
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Okay, cool. I think we've pretty much covered everything when it comes to salt water.
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Flies. Flies. Right. End bit. Very important.
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These, this is a, these are fly wallets. If you're going to start carrying around
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big flies, big patterns, which are. Yeah.
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Jiggy fish. Jiggy snacks. Yeah. You can get 150 flies in one of these. Nice.
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And you can lay them all out. They're waterproof. So if they get soaked,
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the flies don't get soaked. The hoots don't rust.
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Yeah. And you can lay them all flat so they don't end up kind of. Yeah.
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Because the one thing fish really hate is a fish which is not swimming in the right way.
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And it's the surest way to a bad refusal.
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So yeah, these wallets are great. There's a couple of different manufacturers now.
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This one's a FinSport. I'm not sure you can find these anymore,
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but Snobie make a copy, which is really good.
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And then I've just got a few sort of milkfish patterns in the front there. Got it.
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And when it comes to hooks, for example, is there anything that you swear by?
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I'm a big fan of the Gamakatsu SL12s.
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I mean, yes, there's the Chiemco 600SP as well, which is a great hook,
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but I find that actually the TM code rusts faster.
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The Gamma Gatsis often I can wash off and then I can just use the fly again.
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Nice. As long as it hasn't been completely mangled. Yeah.
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And do you tie these yourself or? I used to. Yeah. I'm now very lazy.
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Yeah. I'm afraid. So most of my fly patterns come from Fuling Milk. Yeah.
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And they have got a really good line on GT flies now. Okay. Mostly through one
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of the guys who works for me, Olly Thompson. He used to be a guide down there.
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There are some really great patterns. If you had to pick one,
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is there like a favorite?
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Can I have two? You can. Okay, I can have two.
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So my favorites probably are these split-tone brushies.
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This is great for being on the turtle grass or on the flat situation.
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And then if you are going to then be in the surf line, black or black and purple
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is my really favorite go-to. If I've got any left, here we go.
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Black and purple. I even use that for Huho, where I live.
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Yeah, exactly. And the black and purple, it's an ABC fly. Already been chewed. Nice.
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And yeah, black and purple shows out really well when you're pushing towards
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the blue water and also when those fish are hot and excited and they're coming off the tide.
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Nice. So those would be my two go-to. Cool. Cool. And in terms of size,
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they aren't even that big.
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They're 6-0 hooks. Okay. I do carry some 4-0s and some 2-0s as well because
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if the water gets really skinny on a neat tide,
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you start slapping these things around you want to get a little lighter
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fish then we go down to a bit of a lighter lead material and
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you can also mess around with kind of you know you've got
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GTs on the back of rays you can even go to sort of big mantis
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shrimps okay which are really cool cool and would these only attract GTs or
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would you catch something oh I mean as well both things will attract pretty
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much every right it's predatory look pretty universal blue finter valley love
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those but the majority of the of the other species have i got any dead flies
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in here because i tend to stuff them,
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things like yeah that's an itchy trigger yeah which is tied on an odor hook
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and that's great for trigger fish because they can't bite through it yeah it's
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a it's reasonably heavy it's got lead dumbbell eyes but i mean i fish that for
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bonefish or triggers also turf and fish.
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And then always have a couple of saley saley flies in there just in case on
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the double chain gun cool so yeah that's kind of that's kind of saltwater flies
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yeah i mean yes i could produce boxes and boxes of different other patterns
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for Caribbean and stuff like that. But otherwise, we'd be here all day.