5 YRS AGO NXT ON USA POST-SHOW: NXT Takeover In Your House including Fatal Five Way for NXT Championship, Mercedes Martinez vs. Xia Li, more

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Post show.
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On today's way Keller Pro Wrestling Post Show five years
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ago Flashback for Saturday, June thirteenth, twenty twenty six. We
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jumped back to the June thirteenth, twenty twenty one episode
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of p WT Talks NXT with Nate Limberg and Tom Stout.
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Talked about NXT takeover in your House, including the Fatal
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five way for the NXT champ and Chip MSK and
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Bruns and read against Legato del Fantasma, Meorcedes Martinez against
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Zaiya Lee, Raquel Gonzalez against Ember Moon, Cameron Grimes against
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La Night, William Regal, calling for a change at NXT,
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and more. Nearly an hour and a half of analysis
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here of NXT from five years ago. This week, let's
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get to it.
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All right. It is Sunday night. It is normally Wrestling
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Night in America. However, this has been a takeover of
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Wrestling Night in America by PWT Talks NXT. I am
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your host for the evening, Nate Lindberg, and you can
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follow me on Twitter a Nate Lindberg. I am from
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PWT Talks NXT on the Tuesday daily cast where we
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take your calls and your emails shortly after NXT goes
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off the air. I also do the NXT Hits and
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Missus column. I have one written up for tonight and
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I would be posting it shortly, maybe shortly after this
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podcast ends or if not, first thing in the morning.
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I also have with me tonight mister Tom Stoup. Tom
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say hey.
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Hey, yes at Tom Stoup on Twitter. I survived another
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COVID Restling Center takeover, and I'm here with you to
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talk about it. Nate, my happy pill, I return it
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to you magic all right.
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I'll see what I can do. I will see what
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I can do. I'm not nearly as grumpy as Tomas tonight.
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I'm actually not that grumpy at all. I actually kind
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of enjoyed the show. So I'll give you a little
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bit of a spoiler for the hits and Missus collum anyway,
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with the exception of one match, and I'm sure we'll
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get into that later. So let's start. Let's start by
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getting into actually before we start, and I always tend
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to do this, I start to jump into the main
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event before giving out the ways that you guys can
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get a hold of us. That would be five one, five,
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six oh five, nine, three four five and hit one
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and that will put you in the queue and let
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me get let me know that you want to talk.
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You could also email us at PW. I knew I
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was going to do it, PW Torch NXC at emailed
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and get those emails in. Let us know what you thought, questions, comments,
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anything like that. Now let's get in to the main event.
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So main event was the Fatal five Way for the
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NXT Championship, and we had Karen Cross versus Kylie Riley
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versus Pete Dunn versus Johnny Gargano and Adam Cole and
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this this, in my opinion, was this wasn't my favorite
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match of the night by any stretched the imagination. It's
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kind of one of the reasons that I don't like
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multiperson matches for a plethora of reasons that I have
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brought up on PWT talks, NXT and other shows in
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the past. Usually, you know, you'll you'll have two people
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just fighting in the ring and a bunch of other
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people sleeping outside the ring, and that's kind of what
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I felt like happened a lot in this match. I
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actually felt it was like a series of one on
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one matches for a lot of the times, rather than
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one match with five people in it. You know, but
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hey is what it is, I guess going you know,
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coming into this, I really only saw a couple outcomes,
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and caring cross to defending successfully defending was one of
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those two outcomes that I saw. The other was Adam
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Cole getting a little bit of an upset win, but
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I gave that a pretty small chance at happening. I
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thought this was a you know, a decent match for
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a five way. Like I said, not my favorite favorite match,
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but I think it it certainly raises you know, carrying
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across the stake a little bit here, Kyle O'Reilly, I
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was I kind of had a feeling he might it
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was either going to be him or Gargano to take
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the pen or not pen. Obviously it's a submission loss here,
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or pass out. But I had a feeling it was
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going to be Kyler Riley to take the loss or Gargano,
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And I was kind of hoping it was going to
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be Gargano because I think he could have played off
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a bit a little bit better with everything that's going
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on with the way and just kind of his frenetic
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character Kyler Riley, I felt like, if you know, obviously
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I didn't think he was gonna win, but I didn't
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want to see him, you know, lose. I don't think
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he I didn't think he could really take another high
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profile loss like that with the character and that the
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journey that he's on. So I'm curious to see what
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happens with that. But before I keep blathering on and
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on and on, Tom would.
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Yeah, I suppose it will be a thing to see
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whether Kyle and Adam reignite their issues since they were
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involved in the in the finish together with with Dunn
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and Gargana on the outside.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if I expect that though, because.
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You know, Kelly was the one who who saw the
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writing on the wall that you know, with the short
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build here and what I what I've been calling a
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very lazy decision to just throw everybody in, which is
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basically an admission that you don't have a a contender ready,
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that they were going to use this match to try
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to beef up someone's singles contention, and it seemed like
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the main person they were focusing on was Cold because
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he's the other biggest personality in there, uh, you know,
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after the champion, so or you know, along with the champion.
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I'll say, but you know, just looking at what you're
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talking about, I mean, the bell rang and I blinked,
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and all of a sudden there were only two people
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in the ring and three people were sleeping, and I'm like,
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what come on, man, are we really doing the nineteen
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ninety Ninja Turtles thing where they finally show down with
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Shredder and they just take nim one by one like so,
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I think the highlight of this, where I will be forgiving,
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is that the highlight of this was when you saw
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the pairoffs of the one on one potential matches coming
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out of this, even not involving Cross, Like I really
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enjoyed what Cole and Gargano did together, and we've seen
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them restle each other over and over again, and they
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kind of made me want to see it another time.
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But the one that stood out to me the most
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was actually, and I don't expect them to go this direction,
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but it.
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Was actually Pete Dunn who.
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Looked for a second and then went on to do
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other things like snapping cross his fingers at every but
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he looked for a second like he was going to
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make Cross pass out, which is a pretty big spot
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to give somebody before all three other guys in the
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match left on him. So that was the main one
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that I came out of this going like I kind
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of want to see Don versus Cross now because of
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everyone there, I feel like he's the one who has
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the argument that he had the champion pins, not that
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he had to pin the champion or you know, had
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him beat not that yet to beat the champion, but
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he just about did so, so I think that it
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could be utilized as a crucial step toward the next
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big match, which you know, we have to presume is
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now on July sixth, because they can't go a couple
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of weeks without you know, accelerating us toward another big event.
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But yeah, I think if we look at a takeover
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main event as a stepping stone to the next thing,
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which is not the case traditionally, and just forgive it
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that it at least did accomplish what it probably was
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setting out to do.
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Yeah, I agree, I think, uh, you know, I'm a
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little bit it was a little bit surp Well, I
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guess surprised isn't the word, because they've been doing this
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quite often lately. But uh, but you know, to see
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the Great American Bash happening though, Like I think it's uh, well,
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it's only three weeks to really build it and then
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it'll be you know, four weeks from now, if I'm
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not mistaken, or is it two weeks to build it
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in three weeks? Yeah, I think that's it too. Uh
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Now we got three shows, Yeah, we had three shows
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before that, so you know, it is going to be
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interesting to see where they go with that and how
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they're gonna you know, run that in. I'd kind of
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like to see them. I would love to see them
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stop you know going to these uh these shows, like
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the big shows all often you know, the name shows
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and kind of work back towards, you know, telling long
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term stories, but I guess it is what it is now.
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With that, Kelly will probably be joining us in a
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little bit. He has uh he's going to be on
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the Triple H media call, so he'll be joining us
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hopefully as long as you know we're still going by
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the time that's over. He'll be us to let us
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know what happened there, give us a little bit of
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a scoop on all of that.
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Hey everyone, longtime PW Torch commist Sean radikin here to
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it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there?
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Then I bring on a special guest for the second
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So with that, I guess we'll go over to the
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phone lines. Let's go over to area code for one
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zero for one zero, go ahead, stage name where you
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come from?
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It's Reverend Keith in Baltimore. How are you, gentlemen?
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I thought it might be, but I still don't have
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all of the phone numbers memorized. I wasn't sure. I
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didn't want to call it out. Keith, how are you doing?
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My friend?
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Doing well?
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Doing well?
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With a very impressive NFP take over one to the
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shortest d I can remember in recent years. I thought
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that there was a lot of laying out as you're
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just missing in that fatal five way nine of it. However,
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I have to give carrying across a just see he
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said that everyone would take the toll, and they all did.
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They all did, absolutely, they all did. He definitely definitely
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came out victorious and looked, in my opinion anyway, look
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pretty strong.
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Yeah.
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I almost wondered at the beginning with him standing in
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the center, which was a pretty good visual of exactly
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what he had asked for to take them all on
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at once. I have expected them all to jump him
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right at the beginning so he could nap for most
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of the match and then just come back in with
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a couple of suplexes.
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At the end.
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And there were definitely considerable stretches of it where he
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wasn't involved. But you could say that about just about
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any of the competitors. So it's another cross match where
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we can't come out on the other side criticizing too
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too much of you, like there's the dominant character that
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plays into how he worked matches, but we can't criticize
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that he's doing a poor job of presenting that.
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I don't think now hear you definitely here you for us.
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Also, it was very formidable of Pete done to get
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the bidden end on Cross, and as you said, he
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had a strong case for a one on one singles
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match with Boss at the Great American Bass. Also, I
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would like to see Adam Cole go one on one
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with Cross. So those are two of the options which
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we'll probably be seeing in the weeks and months to come. Now,
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I want to just say this, I thought that the
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match of the night, in my opinion, was the ladder match.
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I was really shocked, especially becoming the bumps that both
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men took Stephy that spot which was Shane with man Esque,
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which we saw a Grime's leap off of that platform
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on what's the Dame h you know they say Eli's
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wait la night.
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That was very.
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Impressive and both guys worked hard in the twenty two
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minutes that they would give him, and to me, the
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White Man won. I know a lot of people were
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expecting the camera and Grimes to come away with the
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van so to heat the walk out and pass. We
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paid the paddo, but I think that it's better for
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Grimes to Chase after that sell get the fans an
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opportunity to warm up to him.
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Heard going on, right, I'm sorry, I.
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Said it again.
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I don't I heard it.
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Sorry.
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I went to go.
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I went to go open up Kelly's report, uh so
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I could get match times, and then Wade Wade just
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started blasting through my computer speakers. UH so, I apologize
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for that. I didn't mean for that to happen.
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That was fantastic. I also surf on even though you
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know we got our VIP memberships.
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I also up on the free site so Wade can.
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Get those ad impressions. You're welcome, miss.
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Yeah. So I apologize for that, apologize for that. Need
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to cut you off there.
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I'm surprised Wade isn't recording the uh the the podcast
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where he does the uh the show with either Rich
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Back or Todd Martin at this time, but I'm sure
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he'll be doing that shortly the round up the roundtable. Yes,
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back back to what I was saying, I really was
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impressed with that ladder match.
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Now.
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I really wasn't expecting too much out of it, and
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I was even surprised if they booked it's knowing that
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they had the money in the Bank ladder match coming
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up next month. But what were your thoughts on the
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ladder match? What were your thoughts on what I just
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stated about having Cameron ground shaped in order to become
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fully fully invested as a babyface side of fans and
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not having him go over tonight? What are your thought.
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Those have been my thoughts for a while now, almost exactly.
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I've wanted I actually kind of was advocating for Ellie
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Knight to win this for a couple of weeks. I
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was for a couple of weeks now, but I've wanted
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to see him winning because I thought it would be
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a little bit more intriguing to see Cameron Grimes lose
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and then uh see La Knight kind of heal it
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up with with the million Dollar Championship and then have
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Cameron Grimes try to get it, try to get to
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chase after it and see you know what kind of
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highjinks they get into, you know with that and you know,
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with with Ted DEBIASI involved as well. I thought that
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could make for some great TV and that was really
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that was the direction I wanted to see. I think
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with the million Dollar Championship is that's a heel, that's
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a heel championship, you know, at its core anyway, always
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has been, so I felt like it was you know,
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it was going to be. It should have been around
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you know, the waist or over the shoulder of a heel.
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So I'm glad to see that that's the direction they
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went with tonight. And I'm really curious. I'm really curious
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to see how how this all plays out, you know,
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in the future, and and and what they're going to
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actually do with Cameron Grimes and if he is going
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to try and go after this or if he moves
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on to something else. My bet and my money's on
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him trying to actually like capture the title and you know,
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like he was robbed or something like that. But I
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I agree, I think this was kind of my uh,
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this was my match of the night, I think as well.
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And I was not expecting that. I was really coming
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into this with with the with I was really looking
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forward to Martinez and Lead to be honest with you,
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as I Lee is, and I was kind of hoping
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that might be my match to night. I might be
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a close second, but but I think this really was.
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I I appreciated the way that they used the ladders
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in the match, and they slowed the pace. They slowed
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the pace down it and I even put in the
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Hits and Missus column, like I felt like it was
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a really good blend of an old school style wrestling
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match and a modern wrestling match, you know, with with
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Cameron Grimes, Southern roots, Elie l A. Knight or Eli
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Drake you know in in uh you working at n
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w A and and kind of their style of wrestling.
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Kind of appreciated that and it made sense, you know,
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with the two of them kind of having things slowed
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down a little bit. But I really appreciated a lot
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of the spots. That last spot that Cameron Grimes took
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onto the two ladders on the ramp there was was
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brutal looking and I thought that was a great way
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to end the match. So, yeah, Tom, what do you
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think about the match and everything Rev Keith was talking about.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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For a while there with the Women's Championship match, I
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was thinking, okay, runaway match of the night, and then
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it got a little just it wasn't overboard, but it
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got just schmazy enough for me toward the end that
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I really have to tip the scale in the favor
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of this match. And we're talking about a show that
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opened with a match where nobody sold anything until the
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very end, and ended with a match where people were
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selling all over the place for no reason other than
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they were supposed to at that moment. So here's a
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match that, like you said, they took their time, they
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sold like crazy, the moves meant something, and they did
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not overstep by doing too many crazy spots. So the
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final spot that ended it was still a believable moment.
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It wasn't just another latter spot that they had been
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doing the whole time. And I, you know, I've said
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on our daily cast that the storyline has been embarrassingly
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bad to the point where it has diminished both of
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the competitors, but I still believed in them enough that
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I was looking forward to the match itself if not
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much else on the card.
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And well, that's not true.
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I actually, like I texted you or in our group chat,
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I mentioned that I actually went into this optimistic sort
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of saying, like, you know, the Yeah, I've got my
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issues with the build and their philosophy right now and
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going into these builds, but you know what, I'm just
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looking to have a good time tonight, and this was
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the main one that I thought would deliver because of
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the talent of the two guys involved, and I think
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they proved that much more that they are worth investing
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in because they can outwork bad storytelling even when they
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get involved in that.
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So this definitely rose to the occasion.
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And one of the nicer touches was I forget whether
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they mentioned it during the match, but definitely before the
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match and definitely on the pre show for whatever that
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is worth, whatever little that is worth. They were starting
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to bring up the history of the million dollar title,
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which people have more nostalgia for than it's worth, I think,
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But they were especially circling around the fact that stone
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Cold was the you know before he was stone Cold
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right before. He was the last person to hold that then.
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And so while I was thinking, if La Knight doesn't
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win this, and I agree, the right guy won because
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Grimes can go on the chase now and they I mean,
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one of the one of the nicest highlights of this
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was that Grimes worked babyface so nicely. I felt, yeah, yeah,
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and really, much as I vehemently disagree with how much
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they've packed that tiny little warehouse shoulder to shoulder.
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I don't.
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I don't care if they're running tests in the parking
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lot and doing the mask. They've got everybody crammed in
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there like sardines and it's a tiny little room, and
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I could, I could go off even more on that.
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I'm I'm going to force myself not to right now
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and try to stay on points. But even though I
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disagree with that, he was playing off the crowd so well,
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and it really felt organic and genuine, like the crowd
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was really fueling what he was doing and he it
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was like a a give and take with them so
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he can go on the chase and continue that. While
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while I was thinking, if Grimes won this, that's a
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sign that Ellie Knight is going to rurs backdown because
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he just seems like he should be there, even though
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we say that sort of stuff about people around takeover
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time all the time anyway, But now that he's got
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that belt, they are speaking his name in the same
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breath as Stone Cold Steve Boston. That seems like a
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pretty major like, hey, we believe in this guy kind
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of thing.
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No absolutely, and yeah, I agree. I think if if
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l A. Knight was to have lost us, I think
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that that that would have been my presumption as well,
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that he was probably the main roster bound he uh he,
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he certainly feels main roster ready, you're already he's uh
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his just his presentation, his his ring style, his uh uh,
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his mic ability, everything is is phenomenal. So I wouldn't
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have been surprised. But I think, uh, like I said,
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I think this this definitely was the right person to
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win to win here tonight. So Keith, what any follow
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up or anything else for us tonight?
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You remember it's l A Night.
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I like him.
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Yeah, definitely, definitely always did. He definitely a main loster talent,
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and I was surprised that they even sent him down
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to NFC when they signed him because of all the
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years of experience that he has and he's so great
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on the mic that he's always been an excellent promo.
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So I don't see him staying in NXT beyond maybe
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the next six months at the most. He'll probably be
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on laws snap Down, like you said, but if they
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did here, I like the presentation of Zaia Lee Uh.
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She looked good tonight and her first win at an
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NXQ takeover, And I also like the fact of how
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that closing angle after UH Mercedes had lost, they had
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that angle with Tanshi and we know we all know
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as cary Q. So it'll be interesting to see where
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they take this because that this feud will continue, you know,
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beyond tonight. So I don't know if they're gonna have
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UH Tanshi feud with Mercedes or have Mercedes get some
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help from one of the other women on the rock.
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And they had tag team matches, but you could tell
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that this feud is far from over. What were your
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impressions of daia else performance and the lingering fee.
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So this h this was this is probably my second
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favorite matches the night. To be honest with you, I've
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I've really been invested in the Zia Lee and Boa
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storyline since since Bo was coming down to the ring
487
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with with the letters. You know, it was something that
488
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:16.000
really kind of really hooked me right from the get go.
489
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And I know, not necessarily with everybody, but certainly certainly me.
490
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That was those ways I took it, and I really
491
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liked it tonight. I really liked how they brought out
492
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and they showcased the Mayan class at twenty seventeen their
493
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:32.799
match there, and just how how handily I guess uh
494
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.039
Zai Lee lost during that match, and then contrast that
495
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.920
to tonight uh Zaioeel I thought looked great. She got
496
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.559
a lot of offense in on Martinez. Obviously she got
497
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.400
got the win over Martinez, and you know, Martinez right
498
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:47.839
after the match, I mean she got some of her
499
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.119
heat back by you know, doing that beat down on
500
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.119
Boa and Zai Lee, uh right before you know, I
501
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:57.839
mean late yeah me, what is that late ye ming.
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May may Ye May Ying may Ying co workers may
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ling may leg right, Yes, I can never yeah, yeah,
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may leg ling recently and I wish I could remember
505
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.160
what it was, but I was like, why are you
506
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:12.480
all coming out of the woodwork now?
507
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.240
I know righty Uh, it's.
508
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Gonna be bad when I have to like refer to
509
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her at work. I mean, I screw it up.
510
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.519
But hey, Karen, Yeah, Karen Q.
511
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:23.279
Just look at me like peheads.
512
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.039
Yeah, just think of k Karen Q.
513
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:31.079
But but yeah, like you know, I definitely think you're
514
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:32.640
onto something. I think you're on the right track where
515
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.079
this is is going to be leading to a match
516
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.680
with Karen Q. It's that was something we were kind
517
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.799
of advocating for and talking about, thinking that might be
518
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.920
happening before this match here with Zaia Lee. I thought
519
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.160
the match with Zayi Lee may even happen on TV,
520
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.960
and then we'd get a match with with Mayying on
521
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.480
on this show here. But maybe they'll be saving that
522
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:54.119
for the Great American Bash and they'll kind of be
523
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:57.799
building that up over the next few weeks. Personally, I
524
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.640
really like this. I like the presentation of me Ying afterwards.
525
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.920
You know, it's very mysterious and uh, you know it's
526
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.519
I don't I there's a place for hokiness and and
527
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.400
stuff in wrestling, and I I have been one to
528
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.000
try to keep it out of NXT, like you know,
529
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:16.920
when they brought the zombies in, you know, for the
530
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.839
Hello Halloween and all that, Like I I didn't like that,
531
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.720
But there's a place for hokiness in wrestling, and I
532
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.440
feel like this kind of tots the line between, you know,
533
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.359
the reality that we're supposed to believe wrestling believes in,
534
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:35.039
and that like supernatural, you know, like Undertaker ask whatever
535
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.319
to personally, I really, I really dug it, Tom, would
536
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:40.519
you think so?
537
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.079
I've I've sung Zias Praises quite a bit. Uh. It
538
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:51.519
really pains me to disagree, quite thoroughly in fact, because
539
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.240
I I felt, just watching the match the one time
540
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:01.680
live pretty clear Zaia needed Mercedes in that match to
541
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:08.000
carry her through it step by step, and it seemed
542
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.319
transparent when she was dominating on offense in the way.
543
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.759
If if anyone heard what I said on.
544
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:23.200
Just Yesterday's Just Yesterday's NXT eight years back about the
545
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:30.039
Big E Bo Dallas match, it was weird because Big
546
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.880
E had to change the way he wrestled to make
547
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480
it believable that Bo could get one up on him
548
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.079
at any point. Big Ee has wrestled every single other
549
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.799
match in NXT to this point as a completely different way,
550
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.319
and then all of a sudden he had to behave
551
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.359
differently to make it believable that that bo could dodge
552
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:56.000
him and knock him down. And I felt that way
553
00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.640
about Sadies here, that she didn't seem like herself with honest.
554
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.000
There was an element of me though.
555
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.559
That because they do.
556
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:10.759
Seem like they are on different tiers, so you almost
557
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.440
expected Sadies to be working down to Zia, but it
558
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.680
really created a dissonance I think where it felt like
559
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.480
Sadie's was just not herself, and then she does the
560
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.559
favors so beautifully you almost think that she's, you know,
561
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.839
on her way out of the promotion, which you know,
562
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:28.799
again take over time.
563
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:29.359
Could be possible.
564
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.519
I hate that I'm always the one that says that,
565
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.960
and when other people say it, I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
566
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:36.720
you always go to that knee jerk, but I say
567
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:42.000
it constantly. She she died on the canvas for Zia
568
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.599
to put her over in that way, and then for
569
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.359
the post match she popped right back up as if
570
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.680
she had just made her entrance and was fresh as
571
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:54.440
a daisy. And they do the whole chair thing. So
572
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.680
so Zia then didn't get as much out of it
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00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.680
as I felt she should because she's she needed may
574
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.079
Yan to step in and that Yes, I agree with
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00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.599
what you guys are saying about the direction, and I
576
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.119
do think realistically that is probable. What I would prefer
577
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.200
to see is if may Ying continues to just sit there.
578
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.440
But now since we've seen on a special event that
579
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:24.119
she will get involved, there is now this added mystique
580
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:31.039
to whatever Zaya does next, where maybe maybe her opponents
581
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:36.240
is thrown off worrying about hurting Zaia too much because
582
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.319
they don't want Mayying to get involved, and there's just
583
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.759
sort of that it increases the ominous tension, like when
584
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.640
the camera's not on may Ying and you kind of
585
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.559
forget she's there. Maybe now you won't forget she's there
586
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.000
as much because she, you know, she can have an
587
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.880
effect until the next time she actually does, and then
588
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:53.039
they can push it forward.
589
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:53.440
A little bit more.
590
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:54.319
You know.
591
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.279
I think I'm on board with that too, because the
592
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.480
more I think about it, like once once maying actually
593
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:01.200
does you know get out of the chair and get
594
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.799
involved and is in a match? What I guess, really,
595
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.759
where do they go with it from there. I think
596
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.319
with the direction that you just pointed out, they could
597
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.519
get a little bit more out of this whole ominous
598
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.359
thing and you know, build that for you know, another
599
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.519
quite a few months before they actually do that reveal.
600
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.759
So I think that might even be a better direction.
601
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.240
I do kind of want to say a median hot tag.
602
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:24.640
Yeah, yeah, right, that.
603
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:25.240
Would be nice.
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What else, Yeah for us, Sarah, Actually we do. We
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do have a few other calls here, so if you
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get something else quick, but otherwise.
616
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Move on one other thing. Uh, since I've already talked
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about the one one is matched, I'll lead to the
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telsion dollars in balloons, topics that you got to discuss later.
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I do want to close by saying this, I feel
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strongly that William Reebood is about to resign now. I
621
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can see them replacing him with either Sean Michael, someone new,
622
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.559
or maybe even promoting Malcolm Divining because you know that
623
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.680
State took him off TV he was managing Tyler Us.
624
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.039
I don't know what happened to Tyler Rucks. You haven't
625
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.799
heard anyone missing him. I know they have a flu
626
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.799
of new talent on two or five Lives, but you
627
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.160
know you haven't seen Malcolm Divining, so he could be
628
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.839
a candidate for the next GM. It just seems like
629
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.559
Reboot is getting more and more frustrated by the day
630
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to reach the monks, and he has totally off control
631
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of this promotion, so I could see him resigning. What
632
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.799
are your thoughts on that? And I'm gonna let you
633
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.720
guys go because I don't want to hold up everyone else.
634
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.000
Thanks for taking my call as a great show and
635
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.599
real thought soon all.
636
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.319
Right, Keith, thank you very much for all of that.
637
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.799
So with that, I I think you might be onto
638
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.519
something here too. With William Regal and potentially wanting to
639
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.359
move on. It's it's actually funny that this happened tonight
640
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.160
before NXC Takeover started. A buddy of mine stopped by.
641
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.640
Is actually my old roommate, and you know, it used
642
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.119
to be tradition for us on Wednesday nights back in
643
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.119
the day to sit down and watch NXC, and he
644
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.519
hasn't really watched wrestling since, but he was surprised to
645
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.960
see William Regal's face show up, you know, as a
646
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.759
couple of times on on the TV while he was
647
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.559
still here. He left right after the first match, but
648
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.279
you were talking about it, and I happened to mention
649
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:51.839
to him that, you know that the show has been
650
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.640
really chaotic lely and they've been kind of having this
651
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.160
back backstory where Regal can't keep the you keep the
652
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peace and everything. I'm like, I wondered if he might
653
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:00.920
even be you know, I've been doing this for years.
654
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I wonder if he might be moving on. And then
655
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.240
they played this right at the end of the show.
656
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.960
I thought that was thought that was interesting. I like
657
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.719
the idea about Malcolm Bivens. I didn't actually he was
658
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.599
not somebody I thought of off top of my head
659
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.000
and I'm actually I'm actually disappointed in myself for not
660
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.760
thinking of it. I think that's a he'd be he'd
661
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.400
be great in that role. Shawn Michael is somebody that
662
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.760
I think could potentially do it as well if he'd
663
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:24.159
But I don't know if he'd really want to be
664
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.079
on TV much. I feel like he's probably pretty content
665
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.800
with just being you know, behind the scenes and you
666
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.599
know and doing the you know, doing what he's doing
667
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.119
behind the scenes and coaching and things like that. H Tom,
668
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:36.599
do you think so?
669
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.760
Oh, shoot, I ruined it. I was going to open
670
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with with a tear in his eye, since that's how
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that's how it was.
672
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:46.079
It was.
673
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.159
You know, it got me a little bit since reading there,
674
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.960
since the very very beginning.
675
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I mean, he's the dude who went out on.
676
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.440
Elimination Chamber twenty ten, which I only remember because I
677
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.960
did the then in Now with Frank and and he
678
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.440
was the one that went out there and announced that
679
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.159
a little show called NXT was going to be starting
680
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.159
up in ECW's time slot, and uh, and then you know,
681
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.760
he stuck around as an announcer sometimes wrestler, and then uh,
682
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.840
after Dusty became the general manager. So he's he's been
683
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.679
there since the very beginning, and it's just like again.
684
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.760
NXT eight years back, we had William Regal back on
685
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.079
commentary after a few weeks away, and both Kelly and
686
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.039
I were like, man, feels like home having hear in
687
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.519
his voice again. It's it's just it's just nice. He's
688
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.840
he's been so excellent at everything he's done. And uh yeah,
689
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.400
I mean I don't think they would do this if
690
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.400
they weren't going to transition over to a different general manager.
691
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.079
So I say, let the Samoa Joe rumors commence.
692
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:54.800
Oh man, I didn't even think about that, that's uh.
693
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.119
And I'm the one that I'm the one that mentioned
694
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:58.719
it earlier in the week. You might have known about
695
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.599
it before I brought it up, but I I, uh yeah,
696
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.840
that's that's a good one. I like that because, man,
697
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.400
he did such a great job when commentary on RAW.
698
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:08.719
I would I would love to.
699
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:09.280
See him that role.
700
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If it wasn't gonna be in a wrestling role, I'd
701
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.280
love to see him bag wrestling. But I could certainly
702
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.719
handle that, all right.
703
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:15.719
I think he has the.
704
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Same kind of presence. The same is too strong of
705
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.000
a word here, but I think he has a similar
706
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.039
presence to William Regal, And that may sound like a
707
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.119
weird thing to say, but Regal always kept those brass.
708
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.159
Nuts on his desk, it always seemed.
709
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And you, of course, we got this with the Cashisono
710
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.480
storyline way way early on eight years back. I'll stop
711
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.239
saying that now, but it always seemed like if he
712
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.760
really wanted to, he could pop off and knock Gargano out.
713
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.119
He could have still taken it to Cole if he
714
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.800
wanted to. That's the way he came across. And Joe
715
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.760
is going to bring that as well. I think if, if,
716
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.599
if he was in this role. So yeah, I think
717
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:57.000
it would be.
718
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.719
A great fit, absolutely, because I mean, he's he's not
719
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.480
in a place where people think of him as retired
720
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.079
or anything. And I don't know if he's. I don't
721
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.840
think he's come out and said that either, but he
722
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.159
obviously hasn't been wrestling due to injury and things like that,
723
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.119
so he still has that mystique about him where if somebody,
724
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.199
you know, tries to cross him backstage, he may you know,
725
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.960
try to kick their ass, you know, similar to having
726
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.280
the brass necks out on the table. So yeah, I
727
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one hundred percent agree with you there. I think that
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would be a great fit. Let's let us move on
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00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.760
the line here. Let's uh, let's go to a it's
730
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.480
either skyper international call. So if you hear the word unmuted,
731
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you are now unmuted. And let us know who you
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are where you call it from.
733
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.760
Hey, guys, hitting from London, Ontario.
734
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How you doing, Hey, what's going on and how you're
735
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:42.199
doing tonight?
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Good?
737
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:44.400
I'm all right.
738
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.679
I sent you an email, but I thought i'd try
739
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:48.840
my luck to call in and if you didn't get
740
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.400
to the topic, I'd just read it out. So I'll
741
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.400
just read out what I wrote here. I just had
742
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.119
some thoughts on the main event, which is really the
743
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.599
only match I really paid attention to tonight, and sure
744
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.239
it was a fun main event, I don't doubt that.
745
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:06.920
I want to highlight some things.
746
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.679
This is the first takeover in front of an appreciable crowd, right,
747
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:14.679
And what were the most popular chance during this match?
748
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.280
It was Adam Cole. Adam Cole, So yes, they cheer
749
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.880
for the heel that has arguably been the most despicable
750
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.920
of this match, and I don't blame the fans. However,
751
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.800
the second most popular chant I think was this is
752
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.360
awesome or fight Forever? Because of course, no one is
753
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.599
emotionally invested in this match, right, So this may have
754
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.360
been a good showcase of athleticism, but in my opinion,
755
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.679
this main event was an epic failure in terms of
756
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.280
casting the right people in the right role and building
757
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.119
the right story for.
758
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:47.960
This kind of match.
759
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.559
I mean, do you mindine how much better it would
760
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.159
have been if at least Adam Cole had been cast better,
761
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.440
or if there was better story building up someone like
762
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.880
Johnny Gargano. I feel like this was a very far
763
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.760
cry from Takeover Fatal four Way in twenty fourteen, which
764
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.039
had Neville, Zane, Kidd and Breeze. The match had a
765
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:11.559
much better build up. I don't know if it was
766
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.480
quite as athletic as this match was, though, but I
767
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:18.400
had almost perfect casting and there was crowded investment. Everyone
768
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:23.280
was behind Sammy's Zaine finally winning his his big match,
769
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.559
And I still remember, you know that match from seven
770
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.480
years later, and I don't I'll remember this one in
771
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:30.360
a couple of weeks.
772
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.039
Your thoughts, So I got to I can't really disagree
773
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.400
with with a lot of what you said. You know,
774
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.400
I think I haven't seen that take over the fatal
775
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.159
four way from Takeover twenty fourteen back since it happened.
776
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.119
I don't think I've watched it since, but I mean
777
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:52.320
I remember it myself. I remember that just the emotional
778
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.719
like investment in Sammy's Ain's win, you know, and if
779
00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:00.280
I remember correctly, like I said, it's it's been whilst
780
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.239
I have watched it. But I mean, I think you
781
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.039
could have made a case for everybody in that match
782
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.440
to have win, you know, to have potentially won. I
783
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.960
think it probably would have come down to Zain and No.
784
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.800
Well I think two that probably would have clinched it.
785
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But I think you still could have made a case
786
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:19.599
if my memory is accurate. But yeah, I certainly agree
787
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.880
this is definitely a far It was a far cry
788
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.320
from it, you know. Like I said earlier tonight, it
789
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:26.920
was really only Adam Cole and Karen Cross that that
790
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.480
you really thought might even come out of this. And
791
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.960
even then it was I really didn't see Carrion Cross losing.
792
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.840
I didn't see him losing the belt this early into
793
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.519
his his second run as as champion. Would it would
794
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.440
kind of be it wouldn't really look all that great
795
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.519
for him. I don't think if his his name was
796
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.679
down for a two time NXT champion, but the first
797
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.639
time made to relinquish it. The second time it was like,
798
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.199
you know, a supremely short reign if they had to
799
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.440
do it to bring up the main roster.
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Whatever.
801
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But but yet, I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily agree
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with you.
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If you're listening to us on the Apple podcast app,
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811
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thank you so much for listening.
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Tom. What do you think?
813
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Yeah, I do remember the build to that Fatal four
814
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:34.719
Way being excellent and I a good, good show as
815
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:41.039
I recall overall. But yeah, I think if we were
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00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.679
in a situation where we came out of the undisputed
817
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.119
Arab breakup with Kyle O'Reilly in the heel role and
818
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.360
I'm Cole in the babyface role. We would be questioning
819
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:56.039
what could have been if they had tried O'Reilly as
820
00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:00.519
a babyface. But since we are seeing the way we're
821
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.639
seeing it, it does seem like flipping it would have
822
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.599
been the.
823
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:06.360
Better way to go.
824
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.519
I've argued over and over again how Cole could just
825
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:13.280
be an electric baby faith and you it's so obvious
826
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.880
that the crowd is uh wanting him to.
827
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.280
Uh to wrestle that role.
828
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.559
That's where the crowd naturally feels he is.
829
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:27.440
And even though we haven't seen it except in manipulative ways,
830
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.519
I still hold that I think he could really generate
831
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:35.800
sympathy in in incredible ways on like Sean Michael's levels.
832
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.239
And I mean this is awesome stuff.
833
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:45.039
Yeah, it greats at my soul, But I mean these
834
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.360
these are I said it over and over again. These
835
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.559
are the exact same people that have always been going
836
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.800
to the Full Sale shows and ever since I was
837
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:55.840
going to the shows.
838
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:58.639
The last time I.
839
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:03.880
Can remember that group of people feeling like we were
840
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.920
having a genuine, like emotional moment watching a big match
841
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:14.599
was Champa and Alistair Black. There was just speaking for myself,
842
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.599
there's just a sense going into that taping that the
843
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:18.400
title was going to change hands that night, even though
844
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.400
the angle hadn't been booked yet. There was just a
845
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:25.679
sense like it's Champa's time, it's happening tonight, and during
846
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.719
that match, everybody is just I don't know how it reads.
847
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.599
I don't remember it reading particularly effectively through the camera
848
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.039
when I watched it back, but everybody is on their
849
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:41.760
tiptoes on the bleachers trying to see what's going on.
850
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.559
And it's possible there was a both these guys or
851
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.159
on this is awesome chant because they're almost always is
852
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.559
or fight Forever or whatever. It's just sort of like
853
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.679
it's what people know to chance when they're really into something.
854
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.440
But what I primarily remember are people the ebbs and
855
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.519
flows in just the cries of excitement and when something
856
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.360
huge would happen, and then the hushes when we felt
857
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.639
something huge was about to happen, and then the the
858
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.320
just the outburst when Champa won. It was it was
859
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.599
like nothing else I've I've experienced at a at a
860
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:19.639
wrestling event, you know, sure, pops like that, Yeah, like
861
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.719
like when Stone Cold came out for the Reunion show,
862
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.760
or when John Cena May made evented against Seth Rollins
863
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.239
at a summer Slam heat wave to or just for
864
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.719
two little examples from me, like got that John Cena entrance,
865
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.199
Like my head my vision rattled inside my head because
866
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.159
it was so loud. I thought that was having a
867
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:41.079
stroke or something.
868
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:42.159
But see it.
869
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:47.440
Yeah, but you know, but that champ of victory over.
870
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.559
Aulster Black was just like it was so special and
871
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.400
you felt it so much. And I don't I don't
872
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.239
know if we've had another moment like that with this
873
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.199
particular crowd since then. But they still want to get
874
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.360
noticed on TV. And I know, I know I crap
875
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.400
on them so much, and I tried to hold back
876
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.880
on that before, especially since I used to see them
877
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:11.519
once per week.
878
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.559
But I ain't going to those shows anymore.
879
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.119
So, you know, it's just they want to be seen
880
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:19.760
on TV. They want to be heard on TV, and
881
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.320
that's the way they know how to do it. Unfortunately. Yeah,
882
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.760
it's it's encouraged by the producers. When they're showing the
883
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.800
video packages or going to commercial the producers are out
884
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.800
there hyping them to do these exact things and like
885
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:34.719
offering free T shirts if they do it.
886
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.360
Well, okay, well then I guess I guess they're getting
887
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:39.760
what they're asking for then, you know.
888
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.800
But at least we didn't have I thought I heard
889
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.159
it during the Million Dollar Man's entrance. But at least,
890
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.840
for all my other arguments about it, at least we
891
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.559
didn't have any more fake crowd noise tonight. I can't
892
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:51.360
take any more of that.
893
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.760
Yeah, it was, it was. I get to admit it
894
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.599
was really nice to have a large crowd is you know,
895
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.639
and we can get into COVID and everybody be impacted
896
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.320
in there like sardines if you wanted to. But in
897
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.440
terms of wrestling and wrestling presentation, it was really nice
898
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.639
to have a crowd of that size anyway. Obviously it's
899
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.000
not like WrestleMania was, but it was nice to get that,
900
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.480
you know, instant feedback and hear that from the crowd.
901
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.119
I do have to admit, so hid and what else
902
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:21.559
do you? What else do you have for us tonight?
903
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.480
Or should we should we move on? Yeah?
904
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:26.519
I don't really mind that. This is an awesome chance
905
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.880
if it's overshadowed by something else, And of course I
906
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.039
don't expect everything to be epic. But the reason I
907
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.039
started that fatal four way pay per view is because
908
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.599
you know, the yel still retained and that wasn't going
909
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.599
to be the ultimate culmination of a match. That was
910
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:43.519
just building up to the next pay per view. But
911
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.840
at the same time you still had, you know, a
912
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.159
level of investment for a B show pay per view
913
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:54.079
that I think is sustainable. But yeah, I don't really
914
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:56.400
have much else to say about this show. I'll let
915
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.599
you guys move on to some other callers. Hope you guys,
916
00:46:58.920 --> 00:46:59.800
guys have a good night.
917
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.400
For good night, all right, man, you do the same,
918
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.159
You do the same, appreciate the call, and uh, all
919
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.079
right with that, we will go over to six two three,
920
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.760
six two three if the switchboard. Okay, there we go,
921
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.039
let me click on you now go ahead, stage nape
922
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:15.760
where you're coming from?
923
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.119
Hey nay, hey Tom? Try again?
924
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:18.800
Hey nay, hey Tom.
925
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.360
This is Brian conf from Phoenix, thirty year senior PW
926
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:22.800
TOWRS VIP subscriber.
927
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.039
How are you not too bad?
928
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:26.599
Brian? How are you doing tonight? My friend?
929
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.480
I'm doing great, Thanks, and I'll keep it quick because
930
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.320
I'm going to keep the thing, keep the lines going.
931
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.480
I enjoyed the car tonight. I thought all the matches,
932
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.679
uh did they did good work on all the matches
933
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:40.679
I called in a little bit late in night, so
934
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.800
I'm not sure how much you covered the women's title
935
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.800
match and Ramon against Raquel Gonzales, but not necessarily the match.
936
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.159
And maybe you did talk about this before yourself and Tom,
937
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.440
but did you talk about who you think is the
938
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.000
next challenger for Raquel? And I as I actually let
939
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.360
me interject something first, because I knew Tom's had exploded
940
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.079
when he heard and saw the date for Great American Bash,
941
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:07.440
because I know this is the short runway I like
942
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.760
to call it. And I'm sorry I probably missed the
943
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:11.079
brand that.
944
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:11.519
You had on that.
945
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:11.880
Tom.
946
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.880
I definitely bit at it a little bit a little bit,
947
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:21.199
did Nate. And I'm sure Kelly will take his turn later.
948
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.519
But good, good topic because we haven't talked about this
949
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.320
match yet, and and it's always a pleasure to hear
950
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.480
from you, Brian, because I because I don't think I've
951
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.079
actually said it to you live before. I really love
952
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.039
the emails that you send into the VIP show and
953
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.000
I look forward to recording it every single week because
954
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:40.440
of those.
955
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:41.679
So thank you well.
956
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.960
You put so much detail into it. So and we're
957
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.199
talking of course about the Saturday actually go ahead and
958
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:50.519
run it down. Tom, I'm sorry a little bit scattered.
959
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:53.960
You know what, I've already plugged it like three times tonight,
960
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.880
so I'll share everybody, But thank you, well.
961
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:01.199
You know what, I haven't back, Thank you very much.
962
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.159
Snake talking about seven years back, I don't know what
963
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:03.480
that is.
964
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.320
Yeah, right, I will say sometimes the show actually goes
965
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.400
longer talking movies versus talking to talking about the actual
966
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.079
NXT episode, which is kind of funny.
967
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:13.719
That's true.
968
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.079
I listened back this week and when we switch over
969
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.840
to movies, it's that's a halfway mark.
970
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:24.280
Oh wow, Well me NXC to put more content on
971
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.440
their shows and it wouldn't happen like this right as well.
972
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:28.039
I don't know.
973
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.440
They should never switch to a two hour format. It's
974
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:31.400
a failing formula.
975
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.360
Yeah, so don't let me get on because I know
976
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.159
what your triggers are time. Your triggers are longer shows,
977
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.679
and of course you just talked about the the CWC
978
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.760
and House show actually in person, in person events. I'm
979
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.360
not going to get your two triggers. Oh your third
980
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.559
trigger is is full sale. I'm not going to hit
981
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.440
that third trigger, So don't.
982
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:53.320
Mention Tony storm on me.
983
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:55.800
I'll tell you this is gonna be.
984
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.320
A great night for you.
985
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:56.599
Huh.
986
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.559
So, like you said, let's go to the well. Actually,
987
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.679
I want to stick with the subject really quick though. Again, Tom,
988
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.760
and Nate and Kelly of course too. I listen to
989
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.760
the program every week, the live cast program, I should say,
990
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.599
and I know how you all three feel about it,
991
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:17.679
about these short runways. Again, I always like to say
992
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.360
that as far as between these pay per view events
993
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.639
or network specials, what do you want to call or
994
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.000
even like a USA special, I should say that as well.
995
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.960
I have a more different opinion of it. And it's
996
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.199
just that, you know, if you talk about all the
997
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.360
matches tonight, all the matches tonight had at least a
998
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.039
little bit you know, you could say the five person
999
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.679
main event for the title or the main title, I
1000
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.039
should say, you could say that that was thrown together
1001
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.039
pretty quick. But you know, you can piece some things together.
1002
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:48.440
I can understand that, but everything else almost you can
1003
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.320
backtrack at least a couple of weeks, it's not several weeks.
1004
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.159
So that's the way I look at it. And again,
1005
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:56.760
you know, it's something we can talk or debate about.
1006
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.400
Are you a fan of aw looking to sit back, relax,
1007
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.519
and listen to some like minded podcasters who share your passion.
1008
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:12.880
Do you want to be topped off the ledge after
1009
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.199
a segment that has you wondering what the heck are
1010
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:15.679
they thinking?
1011
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.639
Do you want to join a discussion on what AW
1012
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.280
is doing right and what they could do to improve?
1013
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.400
Then join me Joel and me Greg for the All.
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1019
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But if we go back to.
1020
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.039
The match I want to talk about Inmbramoon versus Raquel
1021
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.559
Gonzales and again the match was I thought the match
1022
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.840
was really good. But my question really is my question
1023
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.159
is I should say, is who do you think is
1024
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.480
next for Raquel? Could it be you know again short
1025
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.920
and Runway? Could it be a rematch for m Ramon
1026
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.480
because she had a visual She didn't have a visual pin,
1027
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.760
but she had the pin until the Code of Kai
1028
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.039
broke it up. So My question is who do you
1029
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:16.440
think is next for Raquel?
1030
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.679
You know, I think in this this just because of
1031
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.039
what happened tonight, I'm thinking of maybe Shazi with with
1032
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.119
Ember and Shazi's you know their you know their affiliation
1033
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.039
and that tag team uh and then her interference tonight,
1034
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:34.000
I'm thinking that might be it. They could easily tell
1035
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.960
that story. It's not really my favorite direction, but I
1036
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.599
think that kind of makes the most sense, or at
1037
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:41.639
least what makes what's making the most sense in my
1038
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.599
brain at the moment. Tom what what about? What do
1039
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.559
you think? Because I think Corbin's about the chime in ha.
1040
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.199
I am worried there is someone obvious I am forgetting about,
1041
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.360
and it's not Frankie Money because I feel like they
1042
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.400
should keep her away from the title for now. I know,
1043
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.639
while EO was still champ, I was saying they could
1044
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.760
rock her right to it, but I think Raquel is
1045
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:03.039
going to hold this for a while, and I don't
1046
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:05.400
want to see Frankie losing her first attempt, which is
1047
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.360
something I've said about a lot of other people before,
1048
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.920
like Matt Riddle and then what did he do?
1049
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.800
But I feel like.
1050
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.320
Ultimately I agree with you. I think Shasi is the
1051
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.960
logical choice built into the story already anyway, and then
1052
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.039
they did what they did tonight when she ran out
1053
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.760
and took out Dakota. It's also in the back of
1054
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:30.440
my mind that they could run back EO. Granted, EO
1055
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:35.280
does feel like she's separated enough from her title run
1056
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.880
that I'm not sure I would vouch for it, but
1057
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.320
it does feel like something they could do. Actually, you know,
1058
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.480
like in my mind, I'm talking myself out of it
1059
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.920
as I'm saying it. So no, I don't think that's
1060
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.639
a good idea. Never mind scratch the past thirty seconds,
1061
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.119
scratching to be doing her own thing right now. Shasi's
1062
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:56.559
up next.
1063
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.280
Yeah, and I you know, and one thing that wanted
1064
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.800
to bring up and before I gave Corbin a treat
1065
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.400
and sent him off so he can not bark at
1066
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.880
me as I'm talking what I you know, One thing
1067
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.000
I want to say is I cannot wait to see
1068
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:14.719
Dakota Kai and kel Gonzalez finally split. Not that you know, Tom,
1069
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:16.639
you brought this up a little bit ago earlier tonight,
1070
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:20.679
you know, the finish well, the match kind of eventually
1071
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.639
started getting a little bit too Schmausy and I and
1072
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:26.599
I completely agree. I want to see Raquel be dominant champion.
1073
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:28.639
I don't want to see her little friend kind of
1074
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.519
interfere on her behalf all the time.
1075
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.639
And you should have Raquel should have kicked out of
1076
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.440
that eclipse. That was That was when the match went
1077
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:38.800
downhill was when Raquel didn't kick out of the eclipse.
1078
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:39.840
She needed Kai to help her.
1079
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.400
Yep, exactly exactly, And uh yeah, that that's what I
1080
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.239
would really like to see. So I I I am
1081
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.119
really advocating to see a Dakota Kai and Raquel Gonzalez
1082
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.079
split and then you know, eventual match here where Raquel
1083
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.559
does go over and still retains as long as it's
1084
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.760
relatively soon, if I'm hoping it's sooner rather than later.
1085
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.239
But I think that's ben really keep her kell strong
1086
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.800
and it's going to make her look dominant because right
1087
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.400
now where she has to have her you know, have
1088
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.159
to have her little friend come and help her out
1089
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:11.119
all the time, it kind of takes away from what
1090
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.239
they're trying to do in my opinion, and that is
1091
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.800
bills her to be this monster monster champion, monster heels.
1092
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.800
So that's that's at least where i'd be advocating, but
1093
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.559
I think, yeah, I think shots he is probably the
1094
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:23.239
next logical choice.
1095
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.440
Yeah, whether it's an alternate option or whether it's a
1096
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.719
wrinkle in the storyline you're laying out. I forget whether
1097
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.480
I've actually said this on the air, but probably just
1098
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.719
because she doesn't have the CWC stink on her yet,
1099
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.519
I've started to miss Tegan, which is a weird sentence
1100
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:43.239
to say out loud.
1101
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:44.599
He's so vanilla.
1102
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.679
But I kind of like want to see her back,
1103
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.440
just because it seems like it would be something fresh,
1104
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.679
but that know, and be an option depending where she's at.
1105
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.599
I have to look at a calendar to see what
1106
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.639
her rehab is like and then google a couple of things.
1107
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.679
But yeah, no, definitely, And you know, it's like she's
1108
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:04.480
not somebody that i'd thought of for in a while.
1109
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.760
But uh no, I I agree. I actually would really
1110
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.239
like to see her come back and see what she'd
1111
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.679
slide in here, because she you know, yeah, she wasn't like,
1112
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.639
you know, really moving the needle all that much. But
1113
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.400
I feel like, like you said, she doesn't have that
1114
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.079
stink on her right now from from this past year
1115
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.119
of wrestling, so you know who else, Yeah, we.
1116
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.239
Haven't thought of in a while.
1117
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.400
Who oh man, see, I don't even.
1118
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.079
So I had the search for that one.
1119
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.280
Yeah right, they brought her in with We didn't get
1120
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.840
Zoe Stark either, like you haven't a while.
1121
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.039
Like Strange said this on Blake and Style, if they
1122
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.280
had wanted to, they could have put Zoe Stark in
1123
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:44.920
that match tonight. You know, Ember did fine, and and
1124
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.440
like I suggested earlier, I thought they were doing an
1125
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:51.239
excellent job before before the match went downhill, I thought
1126
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.559
it was a really really it. My little like log
1127
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.880
line about it would be that it fits in the
1128
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:05.000
the enviable pantheon of NXT Women's Championship matches, which is
1129
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:08.400
a good place to be. So I felt they achieved
1130
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.119
that before the end. But they had Zoe Stark in
1131
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:13.800
a position where if they wanted to, they could have
1132
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:15.599
run with her. But then they had to go fifty
1133
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.800
to fifty with Tony Storm, and then they had to
1134
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.320
just like job her out to Kandas in Indy for
1135
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:20.840
no reason.
1136
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:24.400
Yeah, all right, Brian, do you have anything else for
1137
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.639
us tonight or should we move on to our last
1138
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:27.119
call to night.
1139
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:29.239
We're gonna move on to the last call night in
1140
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.880
one second. Ray hasn't been seen on TV in a while,
1141
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.559
and which I don't have a problem with because you know,
1142
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.440
you can't put people on TV every week. So as
1143
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:43.360
I look through the women's roster on NXT, like you said,
1144
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.360
nobody really is jumping out the Tiga Knox thing is
1145
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.760
a little is intriguing. I would agree with that part too.
1146
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.400
And I will say this and I'll let you go,
1147
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.519
is that I do miss the finest called ConA Reef.
1148
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.719
You know, hopefully he will heal hell soone and we'll
1149
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:00.360
see him back again. So name Tom is always always
1150
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.440
great talking to both of you, and appreciate you having
1151
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.039
me on, and I hope you both have everybody out
1152
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:06.320
there by the way to have a really good night
1153
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.800
and stay safe out there. Thanks a lot, guys, all.
1154
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.280
Right, Brian, as always, we certainly appreciate it, all right,
1155
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:14.719
And so we will go over to Darrell before we
1156
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.960
do that. Before we head over to Darrell, Kelly should
1157
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.199
be joining us here pretty soon, So if you're waiting
1158
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.639
to hear from Kelly and what went on on the
1159
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.519
media call, he will hopefully we'll be on shortly after
1160
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.679
we speak with Darrell. Darrell, what's going on tonight, Man
1161
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.039
tonight doing well, doing well?
1162
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:35.320
What did?
1163
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.280
What did you think of Takeover in your house?
1164
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:50.320
Mediocre show, probably in the bottom third shows that I
1165
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:54.119
haven't seen. I haven't seen most of all, So I
1166
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:56.320
guess that taking the show.
1167
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.119
But a bit of a bit of a bit of
1168
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:02.320
a thumbs down from you tonight.
1169
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:11.679
Yes, it's all right. My first was Reniking AMSK and
1170
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.199
they continue to get do they They probably need to
1171
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.039
do something that doing sharing the same way sweet here,
1172
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:20.880
probably what you guys do.
1173
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.920
Yeah, so this is actually the one match we haven't
1174
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.599
talked about yet. Tonight was uh uh m s K
1175
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.079
and Bronson Reid verse. We got a little fantasmal winner
1176
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:34.360
take all for the North American and NXT tag team titles.
1177
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.159
So I with with M s K.
1178
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.079
I I agree. I think they've got to do something
1179
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:42.800
to kind of switch it up and and and kind
1180
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.719
of make them a little bit more fan friendly. You know,
1181
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.119
we we've talked Tom. Tom brings us up quite a bit.
1182
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.119
You know, it's like you know, the you know, Nash
1183
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.880
Carter's dad died and we're supposed to know get sympathy
1184
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.320
on me, and that's horrible, and I'm sorry. I feel
1185
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:58.960
bad your dad died and then all that, But that's
1186
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.000
that really can't be the only reason we're trying to
1187
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.360
get behind these guys. I you know, I'm kind of
1188
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.880
I think more high, more high on them than most are.
1189
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.679
I kind of like what they're doing. I don't mind
1190
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:13.840
their gimmick or they're in ring style. I wish they'd
1191
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.559
slow down, but I mean, knowing that that's what NXT
1192
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:18.679
is going forward with a lot of their tag teams now,
1193
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:20.960
is that, you know, more high flyer stuff, Like, yeah,
1194
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.039
it kind of is what it is, so I'm okay
1195
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.639
with it. But overall, it does not seem like they're
1196
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.639
connecting with the fans, and that that kind of did
1197
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.639
seem pretty obvious tonight too, so I think they do.
1198
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.159
They've either got to do something where, you know, they
1199
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:36.719
either do a heel turn and and try to work
1200
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:38.880
back up to a babyface, or they have to do something,
1201
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.920
you know, to kind of connect more and resonate more
1202
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.559
with the fans. I like, I liked, you know, I
1203
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:48.760
like Bronson Reid here tonight and in Legato as well.
1204
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:51.039
I mean really I like I like the match in general.
1205
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.280
You know, this was the one match that like I
1206
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.079
said earlier tonight, a friend of mine sat down and
1207
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.760
watched with me, who he hasn't watched wrestling since probably
1208
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:03.639
twenty seventeen, so you know, this is a first time
1209
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:06.079
he sat down watched with me, and he actually really
1210
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.039
enjoyed this match. I think that is probably why I
1211
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.519
enjoyed this match a little bit more than I may
1212
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:16.039
have normally. I'm not super always high, always super high
1213
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.119
on six man Taggs, but I think I was kind
1214
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:21.360
of just feeding off of his his investment into it.
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01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.679
But I I think this was also the way to
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01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.599
go in terms of the uh, the the outcome here.
1217
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.360
I didn't really want to see Bronson Reed lose his
1218
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.639
his North American title right now, you know, this soon
1219
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.159
into his his tenure. And really the same thing with
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01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:40.519
the tag titles, Nor did I want to see them
1221
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.880
be you see the title switch in a match like this,
1222
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:46.760
you know this this this type of a gimmick match.
1223
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.320
I think they could have done it and Logatto, if
1224
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:51.719
Logato took it, they probably could have used it to
1225
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:53.440
get quite a bit of heat on them, you know,
1226
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.639
winning all the titles in one match. But how do
1227
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:59.639
you determine who's the best, You know, competitor or who's
1228
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.360
the best team. If you've got a weird gimmick match
1229
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.840
like this, I just personally don't necessarily like it. However,
1230
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.639
as far as far as the actual match itself went,
1231
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:12.119
I did like the match, with the exception of some
1232
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:16.480
of the main rostery things. It got like there was
1233
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.800
a point where a couple I think it was both
1234
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:22.039
members of MSK did suicide dives and immediately after Bronson
1235
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.880
Reed does one, and everybody's all standing outside the ring
1236
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:27.800
ready to catch him, and yeah, things like that. Just
1237
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.519
it did seem a little bit too main rostery for
1238
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:33.760
my personal tastes. I like to see a little bit
1239
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:37.000
more old school tag wrestling, you know, when there's tag wrestling.
1240
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.599
But you know, overall, I didn't think it was a
1241
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:44.840
bad match, you know, especially to open the show. I
1242
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.559
thought this was a perfect match to open the show.
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01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.199
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With that, let's go, Let's go over to Kelly. Kelly,
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01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.079
what did you think of this match now that you're here?
1257
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:37.039
Okay, so I thought it was an okay opener. I
1258
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.280
mean putting myself and putting myself in the shoes of.
1259
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:42.559
The booking.
1260
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:44.800
They got to be happy that they got the reaction
1261
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:47.679
they did. But you're in front of a crowd and
1262
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.760
that's great and you're getting some reaction. Some of it
1263
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:52.880
is what you would hope for, some of it is not,
1264
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.039
but at least you're getting a reaction to all of it.
1265
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.280
This match for me was behind the eight ball because
1266
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:05.639
I don't like the gimmick. I can kind of appreciate throwback,
1267
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:07.559
which was the winner.
1268
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:07.840
Take all.
1269
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.199
All Championships on the line match they did at in
1270
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:16.480
Your House three with the two singles champions against the
1271
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.320
two tag champs. I think it was Shawn and Diesel
1272
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:20.960
against Owen, and.
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01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.159
I could probably forgot about that.
1274
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:27.119
Yeah, Owen and Bulldog, I think it was at that time,
1275
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:29.000
but then there was. It was like a screw job
1276
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.960
because like somebody had to sub in. It was either
1277
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.320
Owen and Yoko or Owen and Bulldog. The other one
1278
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.960
subbed in and they lost. And so the next day
1279
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:42.400
they did a dusty finish where they said, well, this
1280
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.559
wasn't really the tag team champions, so they nullified the
1281
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:50.920
tag title change. So I didn't mind that as a throwback,
1282
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:53.320
but I guess I would have liked that if they
1283
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.400
had actually brought that up, if that's what it was
1284
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:58.559
going to be. I thought this match was. It was
1285
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.440
a spotfest if you're into that sort of thing, which
1286
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.760
is what I wrote in my in my recap, kind
1287
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.159
of subtly hinting.
1288
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:10.599
At it's it's not mine necessarily. I think that this is.
1289
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.559
I think this is less main rostery than more just
1290
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:19.880
what tag wrestling mostly is. In NXT in twenty twenty one,
1291
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:25.079
we had one heat segment on Wes Lee and it
1292
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.960
was brief in a thirteen minute, thirty one second match.
1293
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.760
It was it was not much of the match I
1294
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:35.599
thought it was. It was okay, perfectly acceptable wrestling, got
1295
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.079
the crowd into it. But I think the bigger issue
1296
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:44.119
for me was I never believed any of the championships
1297
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:47.119
were in jeopardy on this show, and that's a bigger
1298
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:51.599
show problem. But as a as an opener, I'm glad
1299
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:52.440
the crowd liked it.
1300
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.519
I thought that it was something that I will not
1301
01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:56.599
remember in one week.
1302
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:02.039
Yeah, I can't say I disagree with you. There Ton,
1303
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:02.840
go over to you.
1304
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:09.599
I think with fewer tags and a couple more reckless injuries,
1305
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:11.800
we would have had an aw match on our hands.
1306
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.599
That's that's how little I cared for it. I think
1307
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:20.360
this is wrestling junk food. Like you drive past Taco
1308
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.679
Bell so many times and then you're just like, you
1309
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:27.159
know what, I I think I'm going to stop there again.
1310
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:29.960
I kind of liked that, and then you eat it
1311
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:31.360
and you're just like, ah.
1312
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.599
Yeah, yeah, no this Why did they do that to myself?
1313
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:35.960
Yeah, it's.
1314
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:38.639
There's there's no.
1315
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.960
Sustenance, there's no substance, there's it's just you know, they
1316
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.559
they cram it full of ground.
1317
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.159
Beef and and pico de gayo, and you know, you
1318
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.280
leave full and then.
1319
01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.360
You crab your brains out and you're empty again.
1320
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.719
It's just I hope you're putting quotation marks around the
1321
01:06:58.760 --> 01:06:59.440
words beef.
1322
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:05.840
I learned from Triple H how to do those perfectly. No,
1323
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:09.960
I yeah, this was a big dud for me. And
1324
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.199
like I suggested earlier, like nobody sold a damn thing
1325
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.159
the entire match until the very end when they had
1326
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:19.199
to because they were losing. This This was a giant
1327
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:19.760
thumbs down.
1328
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:21.840
And you know what, I agree with Durrell's point.
1329
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:24.119
I almost forgot because I was like eight minutes ago
1330
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.760
or something, But yeah, I would I would agree with
1331
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:31.199
Durrell ranking this in like the if if we're breaking
1332
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.360
it up by thirds, I would say this is in
1333
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.360
the third tier of takeovers.
1334
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:37.519
Just off the top of my head.
1335
01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:40.119
And you know, in our retrospective, I will have to.
1336
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:45.079
Reevaluate some of the earliest ones that had like Camacho
1337
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:52.719
on them, But I think only like disliked Vengeance Day
1338
01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:58.239
and thirty one more than this. Although you know, as
1339
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.360
you've heard, I've been pretty forgiving. We have a lot
1340
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:02.280
of things, but there was, there were enough negatives to
1341
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.679
it that I do agree with Darrell's rankings there.
1342
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:10.400
All right, Darrell, do you have anything else for us
1343
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:12.920
or should we go on to Kelly's media call?
1344
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:19.880
Yeah, the last thing would be the sense of direction,
1345
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:26.720
no direction going no further. Nobody has no direction like
1346
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.840
somebody like Kyler Rider who probably don't need another type
1347
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.359
of shot for the rest of his career. For a while,
1348
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:35.800
the only two people out of that Americon looked good
1349
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.159
Kee done and Adam Cole and the champ because he's
1350
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.800
a champ. But where is how are we going to
1351
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:47.319
get back on the own something where we see direction
1352
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.119
and you can see what's coming up next of what
1353
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.520
she would be mixed because Luke and Knight right now,
1354
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.079
the only people who have a direction are probably a
1355
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.359
tag team because she or who wasn't even on the
1356
01:08:58.359 --> 01:08:59.199
car himself.
1357
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:05.359
So all right, and thank you very much as always.
1358
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:08.840
So I mean there are a few people who definitely
1359
01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:10.840
have direction. I mean I feel like Elle Knight, Cameron
1360
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.520
Grimes the direction there tag team champs and you know,
1361
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.439
you know, and even Legato I feel like, you know
1362
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.720
they could probably that UD might even continue to go,
1363
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.720
but you know, yeah, with like a lot of people
1364
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:23.840
in the main event here tonight, even you know they
1365
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:32.479
like you know, like Cameron Grimes, Camen Grimes or Cameron
1366
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:36.479
Grimes or Ellie Knight. Uh, they've definitely got somewhere to go.
1367
01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:39.279
Let's let's go over Tom with the sew what you
1368
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:41.319
think of what what he had to say.
1369
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.079
It's it's definitely a problem in.
1370
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.479
Do I want to say most definitely the the major
1371
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:53.199
two singles divisions. I mean, you heard Brian ask Us
1372
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:55.119
who we think is up next for the for the
1373
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:57.880
women's championship, And sure we agreed on a top pick,
1374
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.479
but then we also like listed the rest of the
1375
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.640
division as possibilities because on Tuesday it's just sort of
1376
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:10.119
like a plateau of challengers, a lot of them really good.
1377
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:15.279
But it's it's plausible that on Tuesday they could just
1378
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.159
pop anybody into that spot and it would seem agreeable,
1379
01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:20.800
like oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that seems fine for
1380
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:24.680
another three week build and and uh yeah, I guess
1381
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.079
I said the same thing about like Pete Dunn seeming
1382
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:28.920
like the only person who came out of the match
1383
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:33.359
tonight with an argument to carry on carry on with
1384
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:39.279
cross Oh boy, so so yeah, it's definitely a problem that,
1385
01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:44.119
you know, apart from the code of with regal, there's
1386
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.640
very little about this show that hooks you to watch
1387
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.960
the next one. I am a strong believer in that,
1388
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:55.000
on top of you know, satisfactory finishes. As we most
1389
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:59.880
often here argued, every single wrestling show is an advertisement
1390
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:02.600
of the next wrestling show, and you do that through
1391
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:07.479
storyline hooks. You know, no matter how big the pay
1392
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.199
per view is, you have to make me watch want
1393
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:13.680
to watch the next one, and this tonight's show is
1394
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.560
definitely lacking in that. So we have to look to
1395
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.800
stuff like, oh right, champin Thatcher are feuding with g
1396
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:22.920
I V. They're probably the next number one contenders. Oh right,
1397
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:26.720
Swerve is on his way up. Which belt is he
1398
01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:28.359
gonna go for? It's probably gonna be.
1399
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:28.760
One of them.
1400
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.279
And so yes, those things are going on, and thankfully
1401
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:37.920
that does have a place on the show. But as
1402
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.600
you know, people are probably sick of hearing hearing me
1403
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.319
say by this point. This is one of the many
1404
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:47.800
issues of constantly rushing headlong toward a big show after
1405
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.720
big show after big show, because you don't have time
1406
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:56.039
to build up those you know, those contenders in the
1407
01:11:56.119 --> 01:12:00.520
background as much like you know Zoe Star we were
1408
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.159
talking about, could have been in that kind of position,
1409
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.840
but they used her differently or haven't used her and
1410
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.840
cooled her down, you know, say for the issues we've
1411
01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:13.960
had with her, seemed like some people were enjoying her
1412
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.760
and she just disappeared. They could have been keeping her
1413
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.279
on a back burner, so so on.
1414
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:18.800
And so forth.
1415
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:24.039
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All right, and just to keep things moving on because
1437
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.640
we're actually coming up to time limit here on blog talk.
1438
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:32.640
We got about twenty minutes left before all of a sudden,
1439
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:35.279
the show will go away. Kelly, Let's talk about the
1440
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:37.399
media call that you just left.
1441
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:42.399
To join us. Okay, so it wasn't a juicy one.
1442
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:47.199
He was lobbed a lot of softballs triple h. Obviously
1443
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:51.760
the media call here, But as a bonus, Shawn Michaels
1444
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:56.000
was on this one too, so they both answered a
1445
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:59.399
lot of these questions. Once again, I was too late
1446
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.680
getting in my star one and did not get a
1447
01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:03.840
question on.
1448
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:08.239
Which was too bad. But but what are you going
1449
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:10.880
to do? He opened by saying he liked the show.
1450
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:11.600
He always does.
1451
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:17.399
Justin Barroso, who was there today from Sports Illustrated. He
1452
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.680
he was on the pre show and Triple H actually
1453
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:23.920
talked about he wants to get some of us who
1454
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:27.479
are on these media calls on pre shows and said,
1455
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:30.439
we'll be inviting you a lot of you to be
1456
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:35.680
on these pre shows, so that's cool. He lobbed a
1457
01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.920
couple of huge softballs. He said that he was lots
1458
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.479
of moving pieces in the main event.
1459
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:45.520
How do you gauge what you think of a match.
1460
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:48.880
Like this, and he just talked about, you know, it
1461
01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:52.680
was four sports cars and one monster truck and they
1462
01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:57.439
talked that was that was Shawn Michaels. That was his
1463
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:03.319
main takeaway from here. Triple Ah thought they all delivered.
1464
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:06.640
They didn't linger on this match, and the only thing
1465
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:09.680
I can say is later on, Triple H talked about
1466
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.880
how he says the best stuff is always one on one,
1467
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.479
and he even said that in a relation to a
1468
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.920
question about this match, and said, it's always best when
1469
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:20.720
you have the time and you have the proper build
1470
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:22.239
to get to a one on one.
1471
01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:23.279
That's what we want to do.
1472
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:30.840
So he was passive if he ever gets on something
1473
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:35.079
that he thinks is imperfect. It's passive at best, and
1474
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:37.520
you can tell that he would have preferred to do
1475
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:42.079
a one on one given the time. I felt coming
1476
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:45.359
out of this that Pete Dunn might be next again,
1477
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.479
partially because of the shine he got, partially because he
1478
01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:52.760
was somebody they lingered on being pissed off outside the
1479
01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:55.279
ring about the about the finish.
1480
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:57.600
So uh yeah, that was that was that.
1481
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.079
Jim Barcelona asked out the ladder match. He said, what
1482
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:06.760
does La Night represent now? And they didn't say a
1483
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:08.600
lot about that because they don't want to talk about
1484
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:11.239
the booking and where this is headed, but they kind
1485
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:12.960
of it was kind of amusing.
1486
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:16.359
Triple H talked about how no.
1487
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.560
Actually it might have been. HBKA was saying, they started
1488
01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:26.399
this storyline with Ted Diviasse before anyone had contacted him,
1489
01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:28.239
like they this this went.
1490
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:28.920
I just wonder.
1491
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:33.600
I was wondering that they had not yet contacted him
1492
01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:39.199
and were doing these vignettes. And then Trips and HBKA
1493
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:41.840
started talking and they said, do you think he would
1494
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.199
do this? Like, do you think he'd want to be involved?
1495
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:47.880
And so what happened is so much bigger and so
1496
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.319
much more organic than they thought was going to happen.
1497
01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:54.880
And in the last media call that I did just
1498
01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:58.079
a few days ago, somebody asked about divase being around.
1499
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.640
Triple H said specific there are guys who show up
1500
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:04.640
and they don't want to be involved with the talent.
1501
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:08.079
That's not something they want to do, and they're either
1502
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:11.239
not made for it or they're prima donna whatever.
1503
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:14.399
But he said DBAs is extremely giving.
1504
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:17.359
I'm not surprised by this given the everything I've ever
1505
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:22.520
heard about him, but he said that that DBAs was
1506
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:28.039
very giving to these younger talent. He talked about also
1507
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:32.199
how when Sean and he got into the business at
1508
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:35.439
slightly different times, but quite a while ago, now, you
1509
01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:38.319
didn't want to admit that you were a big fan
1510
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.000
of the business, that you were a big fan of
1511
01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:42.560
the people you were working with, because you'd be called
1512
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:47.239
a mark and you would be incessantly, incessantly.
1513
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:47.319
Ribbed and.
1514
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.680
Mean spirited jokes would be made at your expense for
1515
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:54.720
being a mark for the business. And it's not like
1516
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:59.159
that now, and people come in and they essentially mark
1517
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.119
out over people like Todd Pettingill just saying it's so
1518
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.520
cool to meet him and you know, that's a blast
1519
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:06.920
for Todd too, because he hasn't done this for so
1520
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:10.840
many years and he just so this question became a
1521
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.279
launching pad for them to talk about the bigger changes
1522
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.199
in pro wrestling culture behind the.
1523
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.000
Scenes that have been very positive.
1524
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:24.159
Another guy, the next guy, asked about Todd Pettengil who
1525
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:27.439
was on this was a guy from Metro UK and
1526
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.680
I can't remember his name, but I should Alistair or something.
1527
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.760
Todd, Pettingill and pette Gil.
1528
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.279
He had interviewed petting Gil who said he was open
1529
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:38.800
to more in NXT and so this guy asked.
1530
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:43.079
Is there more for pettent Gil on this show?
1531
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:46.760
And there was a bit of a silence because I
1532
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.479
think that this is probably in your house. Seems like
1533
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.680
the obvious place to use him. He said, Nostalgia's good,
1534
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.159
but you know, missed out too much nostalgia. Then all
1535
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:57.760
of a sudden, it's just the thing, and then why
1536
01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:00.479
is it happening? But he did make a today he
1537
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.399
really likes Todd and he's open to that, but it
1538
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:08.239
has to be the right situation. Seaun ross sapp asked.
1539
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:12.680
He mentioned this was the first multi man in the
1540
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:16.399
last seven years. There have actually only been two Multiman
1541
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.359
NXT Championship Chip matches. I'm taking Seaun ross SAPs word
1542
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:24.399
for this, and the other one was the the The
1543
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:25.920
Ironman match last year.
1544
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:28.640
And he said the pace changes.
1545
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.279
This is where Triple H said, we would prefer the
1546
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.880
storytelling of one on one. Another guy asked about Tian
1547
01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:39.960
Shah and talked about it being so different in comparison
1548
01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:43.199
to what classically has been on NXT. Asked if there
1549
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:50.479
was any hesitance about bringing this storyline in. Triple H
1550
01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:53.359
is a big fan of variety, and I thought it
1551
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:58.279
was worth trying. Triple H s our HBK said some
1552
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.720
of these workers are larger than life and some are not.
1553
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:06.520
And then I will tie this in with something that
1554
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:11.000
was asked earlier about Zaia Lee and how.
1555
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.880
Justin Barrosso thought she really knocked her match out.
1556
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.560
Of the park or performance out of the park, given
1557
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:21.319
that this was somebody who was not, you know, four
1558
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.880
years ago, hadn't wrestled the match four and a half
1559
01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:29.079
years ago and did not know really what WWE was.
1560
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:33.640
And they went to China and they talked about they
1561
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.600
were they were looking for talent, and she showed up
1562
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:42.000
and didn't really know what it was, and so they explained,
1563
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:44.000
and she didn't speak a lot of English at that time,
1564
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:49.199
and so they were trying to explain it, and somebody
1565
01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:53.319
said it's kind of like Kung Fu theater and she goes, oh, okay,
1566
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:57.840
I get it. And he said she went from not
1567
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.840
knowing what the product was in about one week knowing
1568
01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:03.560
it's what she wanted to do with her life. She
1569
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:07.520
also was interviewed there and they asked her, like, what
1570
01:21:07.960 --> 01:21:09.039
do your parents know about this?
1571
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:10.079
Do they know you're doing this?
1572
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:16.479
And she said no, And she acknowledged that she might
1573
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:21.359
be disowned if she went and did this because being
1574
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:24.199
a woman in her very small villagy in China and
1575
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.880
all this stuff like away was not this isn't something
1576
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.960
you do. And I don't know the end of that story.
1577
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:37.960
I don't know how Zilee and her family's story ends.
1578
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:40.399
Or does not end.
1579
01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.880
But that was something where she fell in love with
1580
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:45.960
it so much, so fast she knew it was what
1581
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:48.079
she wanted to do. And by the end of the week,
1582
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.439
Triple h said, if she hadn't been called upon to
1583
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.680
go join us, I think she would have been crushed.
1584
01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:58.760
Jason Powell asked about.
1585
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:03.119
His question was odd?
1586
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:10.119
He said, I don't want to be insulting, but is
1587
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.520
something missing? What's the state of the brand? And he
1588
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:14.960
didn't really offer any specific so it was a really
1589
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.680
hard question for them.
1590
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:20.800
To want to answer. Triple H. Did the Triple H spin? Yeah,
1591
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:22.359
I don't even have to tell you what that was.
1592
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:23.399
You kind of know.
1593
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:27.359
HBK said, this is the kind of he doesn't take offense,
1594
01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:29.479
and this is the kind of thing that he thinks
1595
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:32.720
is a decent problem to have because people are holding
1596
01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:36.720
you to a very high standard. If you're not, what
1597
01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:40.079
if they hold NXT to a very high standard, then
1598
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:45.840
he understands that that when you're not at your very peak,
1599
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:49.079
people want you to be. And he talked about his
1600
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:52.239
own career and having matches and people saying, well, it
1601
01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.840
wasn't a match at the year candidate, and he goes, well, yeah,
1602
01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:56.199
it was unforgiven.
1603
01:22:57.359 --> 01:22:58.479
And that's what he said.
1604
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:03.640
And I think they did the best with considering how
1605
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:06.800
vague a question it was. He was asked about MSK.
1606
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:10.399
The callers said that he thought that they had a
1607
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:14.560
sort of DX vibe, and he was asked if they
1608
01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.159
asked for any input on that. All I know about
1609
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.399
MSK and this is when I jumped in, that's what
1610
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:24.039
we were talking about. MSK has been very very happy
1611
01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:28.239
that Triple H and Sean have just let them be
1612
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:31.760
who they are. They enjoy that the fact that they
1613
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:36.800
haven't been asked to change that. And I think it
1614
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:41.039
was Sean who said when we were younger, what was
1615
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:43.119
told to us is just go out there, and if
1616
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:46.520
you go too far, we'll pull you back, because and
1617
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:49.199
that's what's said in acting too. If you're not doing enough,
1618
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:51.279
there's not much I can do for you. If you're
1619
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:54.880
doing too much, we can pull you back. That gets
1620
01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:57.640
into a bigger question on MSK, and I think the
1621
01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:59.720
bigger issue with MSK is that they did not have
1622
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:01.039
a hero's journey.
1623
01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:03.800
They were given too much too soon.
1624
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:07.199
In a time where fans don't necessarily accept that. And
1625
01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:11.479
then the last caller asked about William Regal and what
1626
01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:14.880
does he do with talent backstage? What's he meant to you?
1627
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:19.359
And as you would assume, the answer is a lot.
1628
01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:24.960
They're big fans of William Regal, not a surprise, but
1629
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:28.840
obviously we're trying very hard to not give away where
1630
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.920
that particular story is going.
1631
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.600
And he thanked everyone for being fans for a year
1632
01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:37.800
and a half. Go to the show and enjoy it.
1633
01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:41.159
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1634
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:41.920
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1635
01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:46.399
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1654
01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:40.840
He sounds so defeated nowadays with that kind of thing,
1655
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:44.840
even through the spin, Like it's funny to hear that,
1656
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:48.640
you know, you said, Sean Michaels said, I like being
1657
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:52.560
held to that high standard. Where on the last conference call,
1658
01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:56.800
per your report on it, Triple H said, try not
1659
01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.520
to think about it too much, like just just enjoy
1660
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:04.279
it off your brain basically, like that's that's that's funny.
1661
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:06.159
Yeah.
1662
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:07.159
I think.
1663
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.560
He's in a tough position because he's not going to
1664
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:15.680
publicly say this stuff when he's got to go face
1665
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:20.800
a roster of thirty Yeah, and then I don't know
1666
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:23.159
what people are thinking when they ask him these questions
1667
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:25.760
and what he's going to say on this particular podcast,
1668
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:32.119
Like it's hard to catch somebody like that unaware. I
1669
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:35.159
just I don't know what they're expecting him to say,
1670
01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:39.840
although I feel like the right answer is, well, we
1671
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.000
made a lot of changes that I wish we hadn't
1672
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:47.079
made when we felt the need to throw shit at
1673
01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:50.359
the wall every second because we were up against a
1674
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:53.920
ew and now we're trying to find our way back home.
1675
01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:56.960
But they're not going to say that, so I don't
1676
01:26:57.000 --> 01:26:57.840
I don't know what they want.
1677
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:02.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the did did you say that there
1678
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:07.079
was a suggestion that there have only been two uh
1679
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:11.399
NXT championship matches that weren't singles matches?
1680
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:15.279
Sean ross Sapp said there was only that the only
1681
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:20.239
mall time man in the last seven years was the
1682
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:21.640
Iron Man match.
1683
01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:27.520
But I wondered more, Yeah, that's what that must be
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01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:31.279
it in the last several okay, in the last several years,
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01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:33.760
because just earlier, just before you hopped on, we were
1686
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.199
even talking with Hittin about the fatal four way.
1687
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:43.479
I actually read Hittain's email and that four way is
1688
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:48.720
my favorite four way ever, bar none and uh and
1689
01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:50.680
it is the one that I think of in my
1690
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:53.920
head all the time, complete with spots, which is not
1691
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.319
something I usually remember. Uh but that, but that four
1692
01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:00.520
way is my favorite four way ever. Though there was
1693
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.520
one on the main roster a handful of years ago
1694
01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.880
in Intercontinental that was wonderful with.
1695
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:09.840
Mis as the champion and h and Sammy and Kevin
1696
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:10.680
I think.
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01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:15.720
Oh yes, I think that Kevin Owens reposted that recently
1698
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:21.119
on Twitter. Anyway, but yeah, I know we're running out
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01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:23.000
of time. I wanted to ask you since we talked
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01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:26.039
about it before you came on. In relation to what
1701
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:31.479
was said about Zia Lee on the call, I've I've
1702
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:33.960
wondered if part of the strategy with her is, you know,
1703
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:36.239
they've they've had a lot of time to see what
1704
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:38.720
she can bring and see what her her progress is
1705
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:43.880
and and maybe it's it's the undertaker situation where you
1706
01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:47.840
put you put this sort of mystical character on her
1707
01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:53.000
because it can cover up some other stuff. And I
1708
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:56.000
think my argument I I was not very high on
1709
01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:58.199
her performance. And I hate saying that because I just
1710
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:00.760
I think she's wonderful and so many ways, but I
1711
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.520
just I did not think that she looked like she
1712
01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:06.680
was doing anything other than being carried by Mercedes tonight.
1713
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:07.520
That was my take.
1714
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:10.880
And so like, it's fine that you're doing it. I'm
1715
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:15.319
very interested in Chansha, but maybe just keep it on TV.
1716
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:17.760
It's okay for it to just be a TV thing.
1717
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.840
You don't need to put it in this spot, unless
1718
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:23.760
with the caveat that they might be doing something with
1719
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:27.000
this may ying situation that she comes alive at big
1720
01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:29.399
matches or whatever. I sort of laid out earlier what
1721
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:31.479
I feel like I would like to see them do
1722
01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.760
with that versus what is probably more a realistic thing
1723
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.720
that Keith and Nate were talking about. But I after
1724
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:40.960
all of that prefacing, I'm curious what your thoughts on
1725
01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:46.560
Zia's performance are and in relation to what they said
1726
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:47.039
about her or.
1727
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:49.840
On the call, very very similar to yours.
1728
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:53.239
I also felt that Mercedes carried this match, but I
1729
01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:58.640
also think the absolute universe of Mercedes and I know,
1730
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.399
I know at this point she's going to get stuck,
1731
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.640
never holding this championship, But man, oh man, would I
1732
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:07.880
love to see a Mercedes Martinez just giving two or
1733
01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:13.399
three months of her as champion talking down to poor
1734
01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:16.800
girls who try to get up in her business because
1735
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:20.079
she's just so cool and I feel like she's not
1736
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:21.239
even trying, she's.
1737
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:22.359
Just legit that.
1738
01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:29.000
And I felt that this match worked because partially it
1739
01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:31.760
was not very long. It was seven thirty eight, pretty
1740
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:34.479
very short for a takeover match.
1741
01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:41.720
Non Sylvester Lafort because he's been on Takeover too.
1742
01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:47.520
Jesus thought for a while, Yeah, well we're thinking about
1743
01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:49.000
him now because he just showed up.
1744
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:50.319
On NXT eight years back.
1745
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:53.920
And I'm glad you mentioned that I've been forgetting.
1746
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:54.479
To plug it all night.
1747
01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:58.359
Always such fun stuff. Right now, we got to plug that,
1748
01:30:59.319 --> 01:30:59.720
but you know.
1749
01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:01.119
He's done it a million times.
1750
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:07.000
I thought the Zaia stuff was fun, and I too,
1751
01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:11.520
in my recap, said this this was TV stuff. But
1752
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:16.479
when you put five main event or five top guys
1753
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:20.000
all in one match, then you've got a little more room.
1754
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:27.159
And you've got people like EO just coming back, SHATSI
1755
01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:28.119
just coming back.
1756
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.359
And you've got extra room, what are you going to do?
1757
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.319
This is definitely one of the weirder matches they put together,
1758
01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:37.079
but I thought that they kind of earned this takeover
1759
01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:41.960
spot because Maying stood up and did stuff. I think
1760
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:47.119
that that's why this was saved. What surprises me is
1761
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:52.359
if this was going to be a may Ying showcase,
1762
01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:58.920
is that they also put Zaia over Mercedes, because they
1763
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.760
could have had Mercedes in this match and then run
1764
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:04.720
into the buzzsaw, which was may Yang, which I thought
1765
01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:05.319
they could do.
1766
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.600
But I didn't know how invested.
1767
01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:10.840
They were in Zia, But apparently the answer is they're
1768
01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:11.880
very invested in both.
1769
01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:15.079
I was also very very amused in how.
1770
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.640
Zia got away relatively scott free.
1771
01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:23.600
She took the chair shots, but the big chair shots
1772
01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:24.600
were all on Bola.
1773
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:32.000
She was more than happy to smack a dude with
1774
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:37.039
that chair, and in Zia got away a little bit,
1775
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:40.399
a little bit, a little less the worse for wear, so.
1776
01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:42.680
I felt the same.
1777
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:45.279
I think Zia continues to be a work in progress.
1778
01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:51.439
I like the progress. But once we see what Karen
1779
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:56.720
Q can do in the ring, if she really kills
1780
01:32:56.760 --> 01:32:59.319
it in there, I'm very worried about.
1781
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:02.159
What that does Anxilee spot on the card, can you
1782
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:04.520
say that? All right?
1783
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:07.119
Well, I hate to cut things short, but we have
1784
01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:09.880
about oh exactly a minute and thirty seconds left before
1785
01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:12.079
blog Talks just kicks us off and ends the show.
1786
01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:14.279
So with that, that's going to be the end of
1787
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:16.800
our show. In this episode of Wrestling Night in America,
1788
01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:19.760
I'm meet Lindbergh and I was your host tonight at
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01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:22.319
nied Lennenberg on Twitter. I do the NXC hits and
1790
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:25.920
missus as well as PWT talks NXT with these two idiots,
1791
01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:28.199
and I will go to one of these idiots, Tom, who.
1792
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:29.840
Are you at? Tom Stoup?
1793
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.239
And as you know, Nate, I kind of dread how
1794
01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:34.520
I'm going to come off on these shows because after
1795
01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:37.680
takeovers in these days, I'm usually so grumpy. But if
1796
01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:39.560
I may say so, I think we actually had a
1797
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:42.800
damn good post show tonight, and I thank the callers
1798
01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:43.760
for their contributions.
1799
01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:46.800
Absolutely, I think I agree. I think we did have
1800
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:48.520
a good show, and thanks to all the callers, and
1801
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:52.239
thanks for thanks to Kelly for showing up fashion really late.
1802
01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.159
It's what I do, man. I have my drinks at
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01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:58.279
home and then I show up later. My name is
1804
01:33:58.319 --> 01:33:58.720
Kelly Wells.
1805
01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:00.560
You can find me all over social media, ad Spooky
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Milk or Spooky Milk dot games. You should listen to
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