Stranger Things Synchronicity & Symbolism w. Derek Murphy (BEST OF January 22, 2026)

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Hello, anybody home today, I want you to open your mind.
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I've almost come to.
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The conclusion that the story is subdamning that the massive
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Apple people can deal with it. We are in trousis
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of developing who a series of techniques to get people.
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Actually to love their certitude.
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We face a hostile ideology, global in scope, atheistic in character,
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ruthless in purpose, and insiduous in methodo.
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We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and
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ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding
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its sphere of influence to change.
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The minds and the attitudes and the beliefs of the
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people to bring about one world socialist totalitarian government.
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The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists.
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It is patterned itself after every dictator who's ever planted
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the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of
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history since the beginning of time.
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If you can get people to consent to the state
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of affairs in which they are living, then you have
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a much more easily controllable society than you would if
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you were relying wholly on clubs and firing squads and
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concentration camps.
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Tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bonds and
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explosions and.
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Filed There are weapons that simply fight outs prejudices.
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As you connect the dots between different people, organizations.
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Religions, history, suddenly the picture starts to form.
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The Kingdom of God is within men, not one man
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nor a group of men.
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Someone born in the United States is not more special
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than some are born in Mexico.
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They're just vehicles for the consciousness to experience. They do
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not want your children to be educated. They do not
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want you to think too much. It was learned that
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the aliens had men and were then manipulating masters of
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people through secret societies, witchcraft, magic, the occult, and religion reach.
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Into our music, television, books, pray on children's innocence.
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How can I just prove live? Sort of stamples an officialcy.
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So if you have the opportunity to stand next to
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one of these machines, it feels like an altar to
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an alien god.
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Genetic powers the most awesome force the planet's ever seen.
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But you wielded like a kid that's found his dad's
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a gun.
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You arm a airport, have an ounce But applying this
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is now in the production of the Army.
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So many others know what's happening out there, and no one,
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no government agency, has jurisdiction over the truth.
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Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize
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the worth, the dignity the rights of man, that state
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is absolete. A case to be found under m from
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mankind in the Twilight Center.
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About time some of you got acquainted with the real
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hard proof. If you don't connect the dots, is just
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a mass of what's all this about? You are listening
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to the Secret Teachings Radio. I'm your host, Ryan Gable.
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for approximately sixteen years. Within the middle of that sixteen
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year period, about eight nine, ten years ago, something like that,
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close to a decade ago, a TV show called Stranger
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Things was released on Netflix. When the TV show first
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came out, someone had told me, you have to watch
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this show, and I told them, maybe I'll look at it.
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At some point. People are always recommending me to watch things.
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They said, no, no, you need to watch this show.
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It's just like the stuff you talk about on your
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radio show. And I said, okay, I'll sit down and
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watch it. If you're really going to push me, I'll
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sit down and watch it. So I sat down and
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I watched it, and I'm maybe two episodes, maybe three
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episodes in two it's something like this, And I said, oh,
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this is mk ultra, this is mon talk. This is
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based on a bunch of government conspiracies on top of
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the real government projects and on top of course of
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all the eighties nostalgia. And the person who suggested I
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watched it, said, how do you know it's about MK Ultra?
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You just started watching it. I don't even know what
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that is. What are you talking about? And I said,
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what was a government project? It's actually several dozens of projects.
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And long story short, you get to the episode where
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one of the main characters hoppers in the library the
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police chief, researching what's happening in this little town of Hawkins,
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and he's pulling up this microfilm and there's a reference
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to MK Ultra And this person said, how did you
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know that? And I said, because I don't have much
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of a life outside of radio and studying history. And
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it was very clear that's what the show is based on.
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It was also clear that's what the show is based
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on because the writers of the show, the guys that
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created it, the Duffer Brothers, they had put together a
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treatment called the Stranger Things Bible, and well, that's how
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you search for it. I should say, it's actually called
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the Montalk Bible because the original name of the show
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was Montalk and the original treatment for the show was
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made to appear like an old comic book, and it
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says Montalk on the front, and there's a child's bike
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turned over in front of one of the radio towers
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at Montalk. And it is called an epic tale of
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sci fi horror. And they talk about in the Montalk
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Bible how it's based on all of these nostalgic things
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from We'll depending on what age group you're in, from
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your childhood, based on things like et Poltergeist, Jaws, etc.
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Also based on a lot of Stephen King. They say
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that in the introduction, and so when you watch Stranger Things,
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it's probably obvious that it's based on those types of
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things if you're a listener to shows like this. And
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besides this TV show, it's five seasons and it's concluded
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officially now there will be spinoffs, but it's concluded officially
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now in twenty twenty six. You know that. But for
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the average person who doesn't know anything about these types
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of histories, you don't know that. Maybe you're a little
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bit suspicious. Maybe you've heard, oh, there's a government conspiracy,
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but you probably don't know much about the details of it,
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and so you go looking for it and you find
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a lot of really inaccurate stuff on the Internet, and
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of course with all the hype around the television show,
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new people figure this out and they get kind of
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excited and they make videos and show people on TikTok
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and all these other platforms. Did you know that this
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TV show was based on real government projects and more
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people become aware of that. Oh my god, I had
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no idea. I find it weird to live in what
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feels like this. It's like a time loop because ten
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years ago this was pretty well known. That's what the
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show is based on. And then there are other things
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parallel to stranger things. If you listen to the episode
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of Ground Zero that I hosted on Monday, or I
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should say, on the what was it the nineteenth of January,
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I had mentioned that there are other things similar to
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that time loop or that kind of time loop, like,
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for example, the sonic weapons in Venezuela. First time sonic
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weapons were ever used. Not true sonic weapons date back
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to what the fifties the sixties, probably before that. They've
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used them on civilians in America, they use them any rock,
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they put them on ships, they use them, probably using
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them now all over the world, both officially and unofficially.
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I actually just saw the President at Davos talking about
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how we have weapons like those sonic weapons that the
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world never seen before. We've never used something like that.
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Does everybody have amnesia? Is there a carbon monoxide leak
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in the country? What is happening? There are so many
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stories like that, including the Somalian daycare scandal, and that's
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not a new story either, and you can find reports
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going back ten fifteen years. It's not really about the
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subject matter or the politics of it or any of that.
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It's just about the fact that stuff's already known. So
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I starts to feel like we're in kind of a time. Look,
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that's what I was arguing, and I think that tonight's
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show is going to be a great companion of that
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ground Zero episode that we did. We had Derek Murphy
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on the show and we went into what I called
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Stranger thingamajigs. Tonight, we're looking at stranger sinks, sort of
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recamping but also expanding on many of the things we
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talked about on the Ground Zero show, which include this
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idea that the Duffer brothers had written the final episode
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at least maybe more than the final episode, using chatbots
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or a chat GPT, and just that idea is really
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interesting because if you look at the history, the recent
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history of chatbots, you see that all of those new
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technologies seem to have a direct tie in with things
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like the Sanskrit language and Hindu mythology, which then gets
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you thinking about Robert Oppenheimer and now I become Death,
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the Destroyer of Worlds, and the Bagavad Gita and Sanskrit
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and considering that artificial intelligence, according to the White House
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and Project Genesis, is the new Manhattan project, Manhattan Project
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atomic weapons and AI a new Manhattan project. The idea
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that those weapons, that that technology helped to open a
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gate or a portal or something to the other side.
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Although UFOs have been around for thousands of years in
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one form or another, the sightings of them took off
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significantly after the nineteen mid nineteen forties when those bombs
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are first detonated, and the idea that maybe AI is
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kind of a vessel of vehicle like Will was in
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the show. For this outside of our world or outside
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of our dimension or outside of our time and space
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entity or thing. It's very love crafty and it's very yes,
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Stephen King, it's very nineteen eighties sci fi. It's very
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interesting as a thought experiment because the TV show ends
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with this idea that maybe it was all part of
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a D and D game and that it's not necessarily real.
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But there's with the theory that or the idea that,
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based on screenshots from a documentary that the Duffer brothers
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used chat GPT, And if chat GBT and these things
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are not really artificial intelligence, they are some sort of
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organic intelligence operating through vessels to open gates to enter
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our world, then the TV show Stranger Things, we really
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shouldn't be arguing over whether or not or debating over
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whether or not it was part of it was written
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by chat GPT or whatever. It's more so an argument
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of is Stranger Things itself, with all the myths and
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all of the conspiracies and all the nostalgia that draws
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you in, is Stranger Things itself a gate? Is Stranger
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Things itself a portal? If you will? Are we or
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the Duffer brothers are we? The vessels and there is
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a shadow monster on the other side, a Cuthulhu, if
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you will, trying to get through. Because those things, those
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chatbots are really good at Sanskrit. They're really good at
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drawing shug Off. They're really good at drawing Cuthulhu, as
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we've documented on this show many times in the past,
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and we've actually I've uploaded three episodes of shows that
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I've done with Derek Murphy about these very things, and
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you can find that in the archive right now. TST
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Thank you so much for tuning in. Let's bring on
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our guest tonight, Derek Murphy guest Slash. I guess you
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could say kind of co host, but definitely friend Derek Murphy. Derek,
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welcome back to the show, Stranger Sinks. What are your thoughts?
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Ryan, Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me. Yeah,
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you nailed it. Just I mentioned after the show we
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did on Ground Zero that there's there's some personal sinks
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that connect you to the show. Well, I was watching
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'm not sure if you noticed it episode three or
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four when they're they're driving through the upside Down and
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they're they're finding Linda Hamilton's character is meeting eleven for
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the first time, I think around this time period, but
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there's a huge shot of a street sign that says
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Gable Road on It was like, oh man, I was
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when I was watching it, like I obviously immediately thought
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of you. And then fast forward about a month and uh,
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we're talking about it twice on two different shows.
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But I did not have that in the show. Going
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to have to go back and watch that.
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That's fun, yeah, But I mean I feel like the
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idea of Stranger Things itself being in a portal and
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them using AI to write it, I feel like that's
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kind of been then, that's kind of baked in since
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the beginning. Like there's amongst pop culture fans and amongst
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kind of just the the inside TV Hollywood fans like
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Netflix has always been critiqued for using the algorithm like
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the capital A algorithm jokes that Netflix uses them to
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write their programs. And then the Duffer Brothers get so
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much credit for making this nostalgic, especially season one of
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the shows that people consider to be this perfect jewel
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of a show. This takes place in nineteen eighty three,
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and they're like, I don't know, like all the gen
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X people.
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I don't know how and how they did it. They
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absolutely nailed it. It really feels like the eighties. It
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feels like Thatten.
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Eighty three and these Stuffer brothers were born in nineteen
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eighty four and then they came out of absolute nowhere
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and I feel like, so.
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They're tea from the They're a year too, they're a year, two,
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three years old in the in the midst of the eighties.
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Then I didn't know that.
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Yeah, exactly, they were born a year after the show began.
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So they're they're looking they're writing the show from a
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basically from like they're only like a few years older
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than us. They're like six seven years older than us.
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by watching the Goonies and stuff, and it almost feels
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like they were given it by the algorithm. This is
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a mismatch of a bunch of these occult topics that
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you want to at this weed, the AI or Hollywood
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or whatever I want to put into the zeitgeist mixed
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with some some poonful of sugar nostalgia'll help the medicine
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go down a little bit.
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And now they got enough.
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Fast forward five seasons later and they got blatantly caught
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using it.
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Whether or not they're actually using it to write dialogue
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or they're just using it to like what.
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Is the abyss according to the lema, like chatchy bt search,
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so they can put that into the into the show
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or not. But I think it's fascinating that they're actively
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using AI to write this show that's acting like AI
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AX in the real world.
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But yeah, it's not just it's not just an interesting
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thought or even a theory. It's just the fact that
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going back to all those other shows that we did, Derek,
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and the shows that you called into ground zero before,
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this is something we've been talking about for over a decade.
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It's something that is in the zeitgeist that's in the news.
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Like chat GBT, it starts talking in Sanskrit. Nobody programmed
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it to do that. You see references to the old gods,
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the old ones, love craft. This is all the part
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of the mainline zeitgeist of AI and of chatbots.
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Like the big meme amongst like the real big AI
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nerds online and stuff like people like much nerdier than us.
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I'm not that text savvy. I don't really use AI
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that much and like at all really in my life.
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So it was more just talking about it as a
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key as a cult tyoteric subject. But the people with
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the real AI heads have that memeing you've talked about
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a ton but the shug off with a smile, like
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they directly link AI to this little crafting being that
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we kind of made as our own little puppet, our
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own a little helper. But then it's going to end
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up over overtaking us with black Oo and stuff basically,
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but then and then the father of AI essentially for
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our time, Elon Musk and like twenty twenty twenty twenty
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one is tweeting out this is like at the beginning
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of the whole chat bot chatchbt days, literally a picture
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of Cthulhu with an emoji over its face saying like
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I'm a large language model, basically like saying I'm Cthulhu
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coming into the into your reality.
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Find me.
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Yeah, come fine, Yeah exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna.
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I'm Cthulhu pretending to be a chatbot come talk to me, basically.
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And this is Elon Musk tweeting it out. I don't
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know it just it's just it's hit. It hits all
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the themes and stuff, and it's it's it's tomorrow, like
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whether it's literal demons, whether it's just our shadow or
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like some algorithm taking its deeper into our shadow or not,
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but it's it's acting like a demon. It's making people crazy,
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it's making people fall in love with it in this
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weird way. I was reading an X Files comic yesterday.
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It's like a compilation, and I think it takes place
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within like season two or three of the show, but
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it's about these Ais that kind of go rogue and
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go loose, and this so like it was written in
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like ninety four and it's exactly what's taking place right now.
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That these Ais are convincing the people who are building
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them that they're real people, and they're falling in love
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with them, and they're forming religion and cults around them
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and stuff, and they're making them go crazy and murder
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people and commit suicide and stuff, and that was like
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a dark X files.
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Can you imagine this actually happened? And it's it's happening
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more so than they even predicted. It absolute literally happening
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right now. It's it's scary.
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A couple of nature a bunch of weird pied piper's
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running around online. Yeah no, no, no, don't. I don't apologize.
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I just wanted to add that based on what you're saying,
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there's a couple of articles people can look up, say
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futurism dot com, for example, Experts have a dark joke
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about how AI is secretly a horrifying monster with a
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friendly mask. And here's the here's the New York Times
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why an octopus like creature has come to symbolize the
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state of AI, and it's they literally use the word.
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The show goth, a character from science fiction Stories, captures
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the essential weirdness of the AI moment. So not just chatbots,
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but the idea of artificial intelligence itself is represented specifically
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by lovecrafting monsters.
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It's uncanny, it's it's really ridiculous, and yeah, I don't know,
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I don't, I don't really know how to to take that.
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It's pretty uh on Front Street with it. I was
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I was watching the Alien, the making of the movie
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Alien documentary, and they get deep into esoterica and the
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eccult and the different inspirations for for the alien creature,
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and hr Giger and the original writers kind of channeling
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this information and like through the prism of AI. It's
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it seems that kind of the alien xenomorph acts the
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way the the the technology works in our world that
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it kind of finds us way like it gets into us,
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into humanity and then just states inside of it until
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it creates this kind of new being. So we have
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these ideas that are injected into humanity all along the way.
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That's the that's the commonality amongst technology and amongst storytelling
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through humanity is that we're given We're given this idea,
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We're given civilization, we're given the key, the idea for
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agriculture and domestication of animals and and metallurgy and stuff.
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way up into the Tesla talking to Venusians and talking
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to spirits and stuff, getting ideas for a tech up into.
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Steve Jobs taking.
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His taking LSD and then having his psychedelic experience and
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then creating Apple and now I'm on a MacBook right
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now talking to you with all this kinds of stuff.
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Is that every leap we have in technology seems to
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be gifted to us, like we're given like pieces of
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the blueprints or some by some non local It's like contact.
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We don't know exactly what we're building exactly, but we
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have the blue exactly. And is that Cuthulu? Is that
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something from beyond the veil? Is that Saturn? In Tartarus
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I was compared to the first Pirates of the Caribbean
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movie when Johnny depp Is is locked in that jail
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cell and the key is hanging on the wall and
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he has to convince the dog to get the key
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form so he can unlock the unlock the thing.
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How do you convince the dog? How do you communicate
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with the dog in the first place? To get it
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to bring the key over to you. You got to
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try to like tease it and coax it and try
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to like entice it to come over to you.
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And that seems.
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Like what something is doing to the other side of
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trying to get it right to their fighting for our
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attention In a number of ways in order to like
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inscept these ideas into humanity until we build the thing
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that wants.
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We opened up the other end of the gate.
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We we build a vessel for where it we any
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number of ways were something without form and can gain
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form in that reality.
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So much of that was incorporated into especially the final
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season of Stranger Things, because you're in Henry or Vechna's
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mind and your layers upon layers upon layers deep. So
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eleven goes into somebody's mind and then they go into
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Henry's mind through someone else's mind, so it's like the
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movie It's it's like the movie Inception. And since you
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mentioned I did not mention this on Ground Zero, but
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since you mentioned hr Giger, I always thought his name
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was pronounced Geiger, but it.
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Might be Geiger, It might be Geiger.
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I looked it up. It is Giger technically, it's like
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a German name, but people pronounce it Geiger. And I
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thought that that was interesting because when I was watching
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the credits for Stranger Things, I never really paid attention before,
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but one of the main producers, in fact, I think
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the main producer is named Rand Geiger, and I thought
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that is really weird and When I first saw that,
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I stopped it and I went and I was like,
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is that the same spelling as hr Geiger. There's no
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way are they related? And I looked it up and
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they're not related. They're spelled they spell the names differently.
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But there are there's articles on the Internet of people
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asking the same question, like strangers things has a weird
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alien feel to it. Is this rand Geiger guy related
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to hr Geiger or Gieger? They're not, But I thought
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that was maybe an interesting scene too.
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Yeah, I mean there's a lot of tentacle. I mean
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the idea of shoving that weird tentacle thing pumping in
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whatever is pumping in into into Will and all those kids,
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that's a that's a very Giger thing to do, Geger
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thing to do.
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I don't blame them for thinking that way.
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And he's another love Crafting he's like unbelievably influenced by
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by Lovecraft.
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You can tell by the art.
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Yeah, and like the thing that kind of brought him
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and Dan O'Bannon, the writer of Alien together, was kind of.
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Their shared love for Lovecraft.
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But then he's another he's another love Crafting figure where
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he seems to be haunted by the visions of the
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things he creates, like he he's love crafting in the
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way that he's like channeling like lovecraft, Like we talk.
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About him getting in from dreams and stuff.
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He he was aware of theosophy and Alice Bailey and
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these concepts and stuff in the way that they talk
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about clu or Cthulhu like entities in theosophy. So he
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part of it he got from that, but another part
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he is taking. He's channeling these things from dreams and
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Giegers was he was like he said, he painted the
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stuff to to get it out of his head because
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he's haunted by it and stuff, and he's he's it's
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almost like he's he's like a scribe describing something that
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exists somewhere in the in the dark recesses of the
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almost like and that's.
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Almost like an automatic writing, but like an automatic exactly.
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That's a Crowley to it verse.
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This this show is extremely crowling and uh it just
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with Thelema from the Damien Echols connection with Eddie to
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to obviously eleven and now the Abyss entering in season
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five and like the idea of like Goethe, your true
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will and the power of will being the the main
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character's name, all kind of stuff. There's definitely if you
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if you were to talk to some esoteric a cult
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breakdown hicks, so break down people loo similar time we
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do it, they dive more into the into the Crawley
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stuff than than I think we do.
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Well, here's I think that.
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I'll go ahead, no, finish your thought, and I'll bring
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up the Crowley thing.
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I think we're kneeling like, I think all that stuff applies,
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and I think it's valuable to talk about and stuff,
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and we mentioned on the other show. But just I
481
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.839
think the idea of the Titans or any of these
482
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.279
these forces coming from the other side, I think that's
483
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.440
more more worth they're talking about in the show. And
484
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.279
to the point where they kind of veered off of
485
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.960
it in season four, and the way they kind of
486
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.880
rolled out season four if your remember is they did
487
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.400
the first like seven episodes like a month before they
488
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.599
did the final two episodes kind of a similar way
489
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.759
they did the roll out this time, and up until
490
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.319
the first seven episodes. We believe that and they even
491
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.720
talk like Dustin talks about it that Vecna is the
492
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.960
general for the mind flair and is being used in
493
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.039
this way that we that we've talked about for years
494
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.839
as a way, like like kind of the way I
495
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.480
talk about the gray aliens, like being kind of a
496
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.720
intermediary for something farther away to talk to, like some
497
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:01.799
kind of some kind of.
498
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.359
Uh, well, that's that's that's in the UFO mythology itself.
499
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.359
And one of the main theories about grays is that
500
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:12.839
they're kind of like these biological robotic drones and they're
501
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.920
really controlled by a higher species, higher intelligence.
502
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.640
Yeah, they might just be further along in the process
503
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.400
and stuff and they're already being And honestly, that's the
504
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.079
kind of the the the Predator meme of like the
505
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.839
two shaking hands memes, like the two arms shaking hands,
506
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.799
people are being able to agree on the aliens or
507
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.880
or grays or AI and then Grazer are demons. They
508
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.480
can kind of meet it. The AI is actually demons,
509
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:38.960
So it's all kind of the same thing. But like
510
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.039
what they're the idea of them being sent intelligence could
511
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.759
just be there. There are vessels for this AI demon
512
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.559
consciousness or whatever, and they're just like a million years
513
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:50.480
farther ahead than we are, and they're kind of and
514
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.079
then they're going around to the to the to the younger,
515
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.480
newer planets that are on this trajectory and moving them
516
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:00.400
farther along and stuff. But anyways, like FeTNA, the first
517
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.240
seven episodes of season four is this general is opening
518
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.000
the gates for more love crafting and entity in the
519
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.599
mind flare. And then the final two episodes they pivot
520
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.000
from that and they go, oh, no, no, it's actually Vecna
521
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.319
all along, it's Henry all along. Henry went into the
522
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.839
upside down and then he formed this other realm into
523
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.960
the Spider himself. It wasn't actually this big Spider DT
524
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.240
and I was kind of disappointed by that. I'm like,
525
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:25.720
all right, yeah, I was too.
526
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.240
And then I watched the final couple episodes and I thought, oh, okay.
527
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:31.559
And they pivot right back and they go right back
528
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:32.279
to it.
529
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.839
It's crazy now, Oh, actually it is a love crafting
530
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.000
entity corrupting Vecna, so that Vecta opens the door.
531
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:39.680
It's exactly why.
532
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.000
I think that's That's probably my favorite scene is when
533
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.960
they're in the memory of Henry and he's a boy
534
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.720
scout and he opens the briefcase. There are obviously spoilers
535
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.079
in tonight's show if you've not watched it, but he
536
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.720
opens the briefcase real.
537
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.039
Quick for that. Yeah, yeah, they spoiled.
538
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.519
They did the whole parody of the whole, like the
539
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.680
literal complete ending of the show on Saturday Night Live.
540
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.039
So I feel like if this saw that. Yeah, So
541
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:06.200
I feel like if the show.
542
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.000
Came out in ninety five and it was more like
543
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.319
a it was a week to week release, then there
544
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.480
would be no kind of spoiler spoiler waiting. Like everyone
545
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.440
we're talking about the way they talked about the X Files,
546
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:16.519
She's in finale and stuff.
547
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:20.119
Then this whole waiting for spoilers a year after it happens.
548
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.680
It's kind of a twenty twenties thing that we don't
549
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.559
don't need to worry about that this is a this
550
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.440
is kind of the last monoculture show that if you're
551
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.039
going to watch it, you watch it already. So that's
552
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.799
not to spoil a real big, heavy stuff, but just.
553
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.359
That's that's a good point. But also we were joking
554
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.880
about on Ground Zero too that it's kind of like
555
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.599
the Duffer Brothers are spoiling our show because.
556
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.240
Exactly exactly the briefcase.
557
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.000
No, it's OK, we were talking about this before Stranger Things,
558
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.119
But anyway, yes, the briefcase. That was one of my favorite,
559
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.359
my favorite scenes because when he picks it up this
560
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.319
rock or whatever it is, I'm thinking, this is kind
561
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.640
of like Men in Black. It's kind of like the Symbaiot.
562
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:59.640
It's like, uh, what's a venom and what's them? And
563
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.640
who is venom? Eddie got Eddie again another reference. Drap's
564
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.720
there and when he picks up the rock and then
565
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.599
it shoots to this other side of the universe and
566
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.200
then that's the Spider creature is there, which kind of
567
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.160
remind that black misty dust kind of reminds me of
568
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.519
smart dust or a gray matter from the day of
569
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.440
the Earth stood still that can change shape and change
570
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.640
reality right, consumes things, which is what the other world's doing.
571
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.200
It's colliding with our world, kind of like the TV
572
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.920
show Fringe and you have these hat men that oversee everything,
573
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.880
kind of like Henry. Anyway, he picks it up this
574
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.079
rock and then it goes into his hand. It gets
575
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.759
those powers. But that cut scene to the monster that
576
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.720
says come and find me, which is I literally just
577
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.240
like got up my seat. I was like, it's Derek Murphy.
578
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:46.200
He's got to come on the show.
579
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:51.079
It's crazy that the weird how they how they rolled
580
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.240
out the ideas for the season stuff, and the way
581
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:58.000
they kind of expect the modern twenty twenty six viewer
582
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:03.039
to consume content is that that scene is like touching
583
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.160
on the strange of things the first Shadow Broadway play
584
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.079
that they had this past year and stuff, and they
585
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.240
expect you to know about it. They that's like what
586
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.440
the scene where they kind of time travel in Henry's
587
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:15.000
mind back to the high school and they show all
588
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:15.880
the older.
589
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.240
Version that's in the Broadway play, that's in.
590
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:18.920
The Broadway play.
591
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.960
Yeah, and it's it's cannon like they expect you if you, like,
592
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.400
if you didn't go to see it, which only a
593
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.039
very tiny fraction even if they wanted to could actually
594
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.039
go see it, they expect you to kind of wikipedia
595
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.880
it and stuff. And it explains kind of like the
596
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.519
big lingering questions or why why is the government even
597
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.160
in Hawkins in.
598
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:35.599
The first place?
599
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.440
Like are they on a lay line? Is there some
600
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.480
kind of portal? Like what's what's the deal in the
601
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.720
first place? And it's that they were following Henry around specifically,
602
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.640
so so that event happened to him and he was
603
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.519
he was cut by that material who he was. He
604
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.559
just like the that spider mind floor monster made the
605
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.519
initial contact with him via that rock, via that exotic
606
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.440
matter if they call it in the lore, and that
607
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.640
made him a gate. They made it made him the
608
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:00.960
vessel of the conduit to the other and stuff. And
609
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.240
then Brenner, the tim Leary Papa Brenner character, was already
610
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.799
kind of looking for a bridge, a gate to this
611
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.559
to the dimension X of the dimension because his father
612
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.240
was in the military and was at the Philadelphia Experiments,
613
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.319
and it was one of the sailors who got telek forwarded,
614
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.480
and like in the thought, the found that they were gone.
615
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.240
However long in real life there was there was supposedly gone.
616
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.839
They went to that orang dimension X dimension and then
617
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.880
came back and he was all messed up, but and
618
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.559
he was, but he was like touched by this dimension.
619
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.640
And then his son went on to become the head
620
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.160
of him kulture and all this kind of stuff, and
621
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.599
was using these kids not to fight the Russians, which
622
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.400
is what the government probably thought he was trying to do,
623
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.200
but he was really trying to do use these kids
624
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.079
as specifically gates or like bait, like shark bait, for
625
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.240
for Dimension X, he wanted to find that dimension that
626
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:50.920
his father went to.
627
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.240
Again, there's a there's a reference to that too in
628
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.599
season one when Barbara is over at Steve's house and
629
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.920
she cuts her hand on the knife opening the beer.
630
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.599
The blood drips into the water and that's what draws
631
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.440
in the demi organ.
632
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's I think just a brilliant
633
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.839
concept with the phenomena in general, that trauma is kind
634
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.440
of like blood to these astral sharks. That like sometimes
635
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.640
when we're dealing with these like the demi going into
636
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.000
is something that I use a lot to talk about
637
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:19.119
just potentially what we're dealing with with cryptids when people
638
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.319
get real wonky when you're talking about like interodimensional DIGFOT
639
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.400
or what we're dealing with with these things, and like,
640
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.359
I don't want to talk about spirituality when we're talking
641
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.680
about potentially lost animals and stuff, and that's cool, But
642
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.799
what is a demigorgan in this case? This is this
643
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.960
is like a predator that kind of exists beyond the
644
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:41.759
veil and is smells and kind of like locks into
645
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.200
trauma or even in the show, these specifically lock into blood,
646
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.279
but just the but Fechna locks into trauma the way
647
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.240
a shark would smell it blood from a mile away,
648
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.400
in the same way with Pennywise where can talk about
649
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.839
and stuff. But seemingly the trauma is kind of what
650
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.200
makes the kid. The gate is kind of what makes
651
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.200
the kid. The beacon kind of what gets the attention,
652
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.359
what makes the contact with all these entities and stuff
653
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.559
that that's kind of lights you up like a beacon
654
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.119
or that kind of makes you shine, like in the
655
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.039
shining and stuff to these entities on the other side,
656
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.079
it makes you food for them MutS of Zink style.
657
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.119
Yeah, And I've also thought in relation to the Demigorgon.
658
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.920
Obviously the name comes from the Greek, right, So you
659
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.920
have the gorgon, which means ugly or terrifying, and you
660
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.079
have stories of Medusa most famously, but you have the
661
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.559
basilisk as well, very very famous in Harry Potter, and
662
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.719
they both turn you to stone. And I don't think
663
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.559
that it's literal stone. I think it's symbolic and I
664
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.239
think it's scientific because if you look at the history
665
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.559
of Medusa, mainly Hall rights about this, what you're looking
666
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.400
at is what they call in the Old World the
667
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.400
electric head, and so the electrical lines of the earth,
668
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.360
they call them telluric lines. So like the energy grid
669
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.440
that you refer into, maybe in relation to Hawkins, the
670
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.400
energy grid is symbolized by serpents, and so head full
671
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.360
of serpents that turn you to stone isn't necessarily some
672
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:07.480
supernatural thing. It's that if you are electrocuted, your body
673
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.639
goes stiff as a board. So there's a scientific basis
674
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.360
for this. And so when you're looking at dem a
675
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.599
Gorgon's the demi means to be half of something. A
676
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.840
gorgon means to be ugly, or of the earth, something
677
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:23.480
disgusting and grows from the earth. But that serpentine and
678
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.599
that telluric theme in the Mythology is exactly what happens
679
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.039
to Will when he's in the field and he gets
680
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.519
possessed by this black, misty stuff. He can't move, it
681
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:37.360
takes control of him. It's a very similar theme to
682
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.679
the Gorgon in the Mythology. The idea of the Department
683
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.960
of Energy and the whole first season really being focused
684
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.960
on lights, lights and electricity. That's that's probably the biggest
685
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.159
thing in relation to the Gorgons and Medus and the
686
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.360
tillerk lines.
687
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.679
Yeah, go ah, I was gonna mention that's like something
688
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.599
that I bring, Like I use this show because I'm
689
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.360
a big caller. I kind of have my own show.
690
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.559
But in on these topics and stuff, I used Stranger.
691
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.039
I used Strange of Things as the kind of the
692
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.280
number one reference when talking about the paranormal of connection
693
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.719
to technology or electricity or in zoroation mythology, Aerman is
694
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.119
called like which is like their staytan. Basically it's called
695
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.760
the Lord of electricity and stuff, and kind of demons
696
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.239
are said to like kind of reside them with an electricity.
697
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:22.559
Uh.
698
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.039
The hell Fire Club, the real one with with whatever
699
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:28.679
Ben Franklin was a part of and they met in
700
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.960
caves and did these rituals and stuff. Ben Franklin was
701
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.880
credited with bending electricity and he's real creepy weird guy
702
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.159
and stuff and the weird electricity connection with the episode
703
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.000
with the with the phenomena they capital p phenomena. But
704
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:44.400
I was just gonna mention that, Yeah, like the show,
705
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.079
I used the show metaphor where he's talking via the
706
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:47.840
Christmas lights.
707
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.079
And in season three or four, season.
708
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.239
Four, the the the Middle Kids, the teenage kids are
709
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.920
talking to the younger kids using the using the light right,
710
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.239
all these light right and stuff, and it crisis just
711
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.079
the thing that connects other than the actual literal gates.
712
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.440
Then that connects the other side, the upside down with
713
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.119
the real world is whatever this electricity link is. And
714
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.440
I think that can take us into the AI again.
715
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:13.280
And it's that.
716
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.199
So the Cathuler, the force or whatever it's called, this
717
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.920
kepal f force is or the phenomena is using AI
718
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.159
because electricity and technology is the link is a link
719
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.639
between wherever it is and where we are right now.
720
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.519
This is a big discussion in technology in general too,
721
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.000
right because artificial intelligence requires just a language model requires
722
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:40.400
so much energy that the whole argument over green movements
723
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.000
and green energy deals and all of that have gotten
724
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.800
to be rediscussed and rethought for people that back those arguments.
725
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.159
Because you want AI and you want this new technology,
726
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.159
it's going to require an incredible amount an incomprehensible amount
727
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:56.800
of energy.
728
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:57.679
It's it's weird to.
729
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.880
Think, which isn't that? Isn't that what they always argue
730
00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:02.119
in physics steric like if you want to open a gate,
731
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.800
you want to open a portal, You're going to need
732
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.000
an immense amount of energy. And now that's what we're
733
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.960
talking about. We need so much energy to power this AI.
734
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.599
We need energy build the gates.
735
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:17.480
Yes, yes, yes, we're taking these like these powerful power
736
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.159
particles and smash them speeds. You can't even repreait around
737
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.880
and stuff until we do something that we don't even
738
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.000
know really what what you're trying to do, and these
739
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.960
vague concepts, but it seems like to me, I look
740
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.679
at the kind of the Rube Goldberg machine that is humanity,
741
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.039
and kind of if we are given these different ideas
742
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.719
from a higher power, from the gods, or from beyond
743
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.840
the veil, or from from the spirit world or whatever,
744
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.719
and in order to get us to do something, if
745
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.880
we're dealing with something that's outside of time and doesn't
746
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.760
see reality in the linear mode, that it's doing these
747
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.719
things on purpose. So we get to a specific point,
748
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.599
and it's if it's like the amount of energy and
749
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.719
power required to birth this thing into reality.
750
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.800
It couldn't do it if Google didn't exist. It couldn't
751
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.599
do it if they weren't the infrastructure that exists right now,
752
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.840
if they weren't these unbelievably wealthy tech companies that haven't exists.
753
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.239
Power and wealth hasn't exist ever in humanity before that
754
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.039
it needs these crazy giant midwives in order to birth
755
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.559
this ancient old one back into reality through the form
756
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:17.360
of AI stuff.
757
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.119
And then we might find we might get to a
758
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.559
point where we were finding that we don't even have
759
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.599
enough power to do it, that we need to actually
760
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.480
use this untapped resource that is the human body in
761
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:26.559
order to like power this thing.
762
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:27.840
And then we get right into the matrix and.
763
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.119
Stuff that it's literally going to be feeding on our
764
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.280
electricity in order to be burst into well.
765
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.519
It already in a lot of ways, it feeds on
766
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.199
our energy, It feeds on our information already, so attention,
767
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.440
our attention, and that's the next logical step is that
768
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.679
it will literally feed on the body, which I mean,
769
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.360
I guess in some ways it already does, where there
770
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.840
are people that are integrating themselves and machines into one,
771
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.880
the wearables that have turned into implantables, and what comes
772
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.199
from that. But I wanted to go back to what
773
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.239
you said about season four of Stranger Things, because that's
774
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.480
where the story about the as well the VECNA story begins.
775
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.679
The five Star General and the idea of using these
776
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.480
kids to open the gates. And I'm sure that there
777
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.239
are there's a handful of people who probably recognize what
778
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.480
that is because they refer in the show to black
779
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.320
magic and dark magic a lot. But that idea of
780
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:24.519
opening four different gates, four different directions, and the four elements,
781
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.360
that comes directly from Jack Parsons Aleister Crowley, but they
782
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.119
get that from John Dee and Edward Kelly and Anochian magic.
783
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.320
They're called the four Watchtowers in a cult lore. I
784
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.239
thought maybe you could speak on that for a second.
785
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.840
Oh well, I mean you may be more better verse
786
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.480
to talk about the specific favic watchtower idea.
787
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.000
I'm not. I don't know that as well.
788
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.920
But just I mentioned on the show before, but I've
789
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.400
talked about the Titans trying to get back into reality
790
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.320
as the elite. Whoever these vecnas are in real life,
791
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.559
whoever the powers that be are that are getting these
792
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.480
messages from beyond the veil and connecting them out to
793
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.960
these rituals and these The super Bowl could be one
794
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.400
of these things, or a terrorist attack at a weird
795
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.199
specific location, these different things to kind of shatter the
796
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.559
grid a little bit, to kind of shake shake the
797
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.400
box that we're in, the realm that we're in until
798
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:18.440
it collapses, quote unquote the pillars of reality, and synchronistically
799
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.800
actually heard that for the first time from Tracy Twyman
800
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:23.920
back in the day, and then that kind of set
801
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.320
me on my whole Titans, Titans rabbit hole and stuff.
802
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.679
But well, I thought of that, I thought of that
803
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.679
Tracy Twineman thing and you because that's what the fifth
804
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.679
season's all about. The last few episodes are about, quite
805
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.920
literally the pillars of reality, the gate closing in this
806
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.719
other world descending and overcoming our world, which is also
807
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.199
the same exact theme in the TV show Fringe, where
808
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.760
there's two worlds colliding and there's gate. There's gates in
809
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.679
that too. There's gates and portals they open up to
810
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:53.880
go to the other side a.
811
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.599
Lot of times, like over rivers and overrunning water, which
812
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.559
was another like a kind of a right, I'm known
813
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.880
for calling in for these river portal ideas, and that
814
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.800
kind of ties into uh two, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
815
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.280
But season two of Stranger Things with these things don't wanna,
816
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:12.639
don't go move over running water and the vines kind
817
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:17.119
of avoid this running water, which is another paranormally trophy stuff.
818
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.960
Except in season four there there is the water gate
819
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:21.360
as dust the water right.
820
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's literally what yeah, I'm using
821
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.519
water gates another, are they listening to us talk about
822
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.280
this type of stuff because that's these portals being in
823
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.639
water specifically, Uh, something that I'm known for.
824
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.440
Calling in but uh, it's that the pillars thing. It's
825
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.239
touched on in Welcome to Derry Too, which which mentioned
826
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.320
on the show the other day, but it was happening currently.
827
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.800
It wouldn't exist as a show if Stranger Things didn't
828
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.559
get so popular, So it's kind of using the Stranger
829
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.480
Things vibe again with these kids on a on a
830
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.880
horror sci fi adventure. But then obviously Stranger Things itself
831
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.840
is completely based on on Stephen King's it, so it's
832
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.400
a weird, kind of weird kind of time.
833
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.119
Loop full circle thing like with that.
834
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:06.960
Well, it is also the name of isn't that the
835
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.000
name of the dark entity and the wrinkle in Time,
836
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.039
which is referenced all throughout Stranger Things season four and.
837
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.679
Five exactly exactly. It's a camas.
838
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.880
I watched at least the first half of the twenty
839
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.000
eighteen Rinkling Time movie that came out with with Oprah
840
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.760
Andspispoon the other day just to get familiar. But uh
841
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.760
camas as they call it, and we'll holy calls them
842
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.880
in the show. And it is this, This is spreading darkness.
843
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:33.679
It's it's uh, it's less like from on the other side.
844
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.400
It's more it's like like way way way out cross
845
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.760
time and space. And it's using quantum. It's using love,
846
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.599
and it's using the people people's mind as a as
847
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.639
a quantum technology in order to link far far spaces
848
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.000
like instantaneously. Like love is quantum in this in this reality,
849
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.480
in that NetWorld. But it's a it's a spreading darkness
850
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.400
that's goal is to just spread, spread, spread, spread, like
851
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.119
a fungus like fungal growth, which is similar to how
852
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.480
how the Upside Down is at least in the early seasons,
853
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.039
like in the that's kind of the dust and the
854
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.199
molds spores kind of through the ear.
855
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.360
But it's just kind of just the vines.
856
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.440
Spreading out, the tension spreading, its crusing very It's very
857
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:17.440
similar to alien especially Alien Prometheus right and alien covenants
858
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:21.440
as well. This this it's a it's a biological technological
859
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.440
substance that the the engineers create, right, this black goose substance.
860
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:28.920
Oh yeah, and it just consumes everything on the planet
861
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.400
when it gets out, it devours everything.
862
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.719
It's it's just it's it's this mindless it's this mindless
863
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:39.079
force that specifically needs humanity in order to spread, which
864
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.119
is similar to this, but it's it's almost like the
865
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.880
last of us fungus zombies kind of spreading controllably or
866
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.400
World war see how the kind of zombie force is
867
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.440
like a mind of its own and it's it's like,
868
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.880
it's just I visualize it like how we use a
869
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.559
cursor on a computer to kind of access the digital
870
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:00.519
realm and stuff. That there's something just invisible force outside
871
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.800
of reality that uses organic life in order to enact
872
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:06.400
this will on the planet. It's kind of how how
873
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.480
the World Wars the zombies are depicted when they're kind
874
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.039
of all charging on that wall and just using each
875
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.599
other like ants will, We'll use each other to to
876
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:15.840
kind of climb.
877
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.800
Fast assess it like a hive mind, the high mind.
878
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.480
Yeah, and literally it's just a spreading, corruptible darkness. And
879
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.960
that's what chemists it is, and that's what uh, that's
880
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.800
what kind of the mind flaw is. And that's what
881
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.400
penny Wise is in the Welcome to Dairy show, which
882
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.840
again is happening that's the same exact time, and it
883
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:37.679
uses this uh Tartarius concept like they they I guess
884
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.639
in the eighties and seventies and eighties Stephen King stuff.
885
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:41.920
He usually he.
886
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.519
Used a lot of ancient Native American burial ground and
887
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.880
uses kind of Indians Native Americans as a as a trope.
888
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.360
So the way they're.
889
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.360
Kind of trying to like kind of get one back
890
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:55.960
for the Native Americans, I guess they may have kind
891
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.239
of made more of a main character in the show.
892
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.760
And they trap Anny Wise like five hundred years ago
893
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.920
or whatever in these with these thirteen pillars that they use,
894
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.800
and then they bring in the government, and the government
895
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.199
is aware of this, and there's a cycle where penny
896
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.679
Wise comes back every twenty six, twenty seven years something
897
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.280
like that and has to like kill x amount of
898
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:19.960
people before and then like hibernates again.
899
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.559
But it's uh, it's stuck in Dairy.
900
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:26.239
It's stuck in this one region because of this Tartari's
901
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.719
trap that is put in and the government wants to
902
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.239
gain control of it. So it's going after these pillars
903
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.599
and trying to remove these pillars, which is basically letting
904
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.280
Saturn out of Tartarer's thinking that they can put us
905
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.599
some kind of shackle on on some kind of view.
906
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.119
If you explain this. You explain this on Ground Zero
907
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.400
when I had you on, and it reminded me of
908
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.000
Season five where back it needs four kids to open
909
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:52.000
the gates, but he needs twelve kids to complete his work.
910
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.559
Twelve kids, twelve pillars. It's close to tell Titans planning
911
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.519
twelve titans too.
912
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:59.559
Yeah, and it's absolutely good.
913
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.119
And of course we did not mention this on the
914
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.360
other show, but I wish we would have the Scooby
915
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:10.960
do connection and season season four, episode six, the watergate
916
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:18.360
episode is literally directly taken from Scooby Doo. There's an
917
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.320
episode of Scooby Doo where the whole gang goes out
918
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:23.920
on a boat and I think the portal's even red
919
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:28.239
and they're on a lake and they go under it's
920
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.960
I think it's uh, Fred goes in first, and then
921
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:34.320
Daphney goes in, and Scooby and Veal and they go
922
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.000
through the gate. And that's weird for two reasons. Number one,
923
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.000
the girl who plays Robin, one of my favorite characters.
924
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:47.079
The actress. She wants to do a Scooby do kind
925
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.800
of Stranger Things spin off because all the characters they
926
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.360
do kind of have a Scooby Doo gang feel to them,
927
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.320
don't they. I thought it would be great. I thought
928
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.400
that would be fun, but this year very fun. Yeah.
929
00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:59.920
I don't know how that would work out, but I
930
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.519
think that there was some consideration for something like that
931
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.719
I was reading. But anyway, they So that's one thing.
932
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.400
The second thing is that kind of plays into the
933
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.199
idea that maybe the Duffer brothers did use chat bots
934
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.840
or AI because it's I mean, they didn't say that
935
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.159
they were inspired by Scooby Doo. And this has been
936
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.960
pointed out for years that season four came out years
937
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.760
ago and there's no confirmation, so it kind of maybe
938
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.199
it feels a little bit to me like that maybe
939
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.159
the AI pulled that from the Internet. It's something that's
940
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:32.960
already been done.
941
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.599
Yeah.
942
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.440
I like to give them the benefit of the doubt,
943
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.760
and maybe they're just really tapping into this huge monoculture
944
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.639
show and the mus has just given them a bunch
945
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.679
of these nuggets that sure, sure they've given other people
946
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.840
throughout the days. But yeah, I mean like sometimes you
947
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.280
just got to be the like maybe they got that specifically,
948
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:50.719
maybe they it's less of.
949
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.199
An homage and more than they're just kind of stealing
950
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:52.719
it and stuff.
951
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.480
But what about Yeah, I think it's more of an
952
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.079
homage too. But what what about Scooby Doo. I didn't
953
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:58.840
know this. You told or maybe you told me before
954
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.719
I forgot about it, But Scoob we do. There's like
955
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.800
a fan theory about him that also connects to the
956
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:04.599
other side.
957
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.320
Yeah, a couple of years ago, I was going to
958
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.079
be a guest on a friend, Michael Stringer's show in
959
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:10.599
Trouble Minds.
960
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:11.719
We were going to do a stupid Doo show.
961
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.320
But then I don't know, I like the pandemic happened
962
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:16.960
or something like that. I got busy for some reason.
963
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:18.880
We never did it. But I was binging just a
964
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.760
ton of Scooby Doo during one October and I was like,
965
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.480
this was some weird stuff going on here. So I
966
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.679
did some like certain see what fans are thinking about,
967
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.800
and I should have looked it up to press my
968
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.920
mind on it. But there's a couple of theories where well,
969
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.239
first like just to connected to the Lovecraft and the
970
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.480
most like one of the most recent Scooby Doo sees
971
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.039
is not the not the Velma one where it's where
972
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.079
it's like the one on HBO did a couple of
973
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:44.920
years ago where Minnie Kalin did the kind of the
974
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.280
woke Velma show or whatever. It's not that one, but
975
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.119
kind of the one from like twenty fifteen range especially
976
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.000
pretty funny. It's a little a little bit more adult
977
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.719
or look subversive, and they bring in Lovecraft specifically in
978
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.599
this show, like Lovecraft's a character that they talked to
979
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.239
a couple of times, and and kaZulu was in the show.
980
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.280
And I don't think they pull a mask Offcathula or
981
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.800
think he just exists in the Scooby Doo universe.
982
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.599
But then there's a.
983
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.679
Theory that he's a member of the Eneid, which is
984
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.000
the Council of Nine, and that the same way like
985
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.039
Anubis or these kind of Egyptian gods are part animal
986
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.199
then depicted up animal heads. They're really depicting a Scooby
987
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.920
Doo type scenario where Scooby Doo is just a vessel
988
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.760
for one of the nine gods of these ancient the
989
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.800
ancient India, the ancient Castle of Nine Pantheon, incarnating in
990
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.280
the Scooby Doo and then influencing these kids on these
991
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.119
adventures and stuff.
992
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.119
I just think that ties into a lot of what
993
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:33.679
we talk about.
994
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:36.440
That's a that's a wild theory.
995
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.639
Yeah, I wish I had more. There's more evidence to it.
996
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.079
I wish I wish I thought to look at it
997
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:42.519
before this.
998
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.079
But I looked up a Hollywood Reporter story from twenty sixteen.
999
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.239
So this goes back to the beginning of Stranger Things,
1000
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.719
and one of the Duffer brothers, Ross Stuffer, didn't say
1001
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.679
anything about Scooby Doo or any of these other things
1002
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:59.559
that we're talking about, except that it specifically it from
1003
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:04.719
Stephen King was their biggest inspiration for the whole show. Yeah, yeah, so,
1004
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:09.119
which is very obvious and clear, but still just confirming that.
1005
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:10.760
I've never I've never read it.
1006
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.199
I never watched the nineties it, uh, which was like
1007
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.440
the Tim Curry it, and then I never watched the
1008
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.440
ones with the meet with Mike from from from Straining Things.
1009
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.199
It's like, it's like one of the main characters of
1010
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.599
the of the twenty seventeen IT remake, which is directed
1011
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.920
synchronistically in this and Welcome to Derry Show a show
1012
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.960
run directed by Andy Mushieti, who uh directed the flash
1013
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.480
movie that that we talked about years ago at this point,
1014
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:41.960
so a little electricity to lyric current Medusa connection with
1015
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:43.719
with all the DC stuff we talked about before.
1016
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.960
The same guy some more stranger sinks to the Freddy
1017
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:52.719
Krueger synchronicity if you will, with the actor that you told.
1018
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.239
Me Robert England, the guy who played Freddy Krueger plays
1019
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:02.280
Victor Kreile plays Henry Creole, effecting his dad so when
1020
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.880
they moved to Hawkins for whatever his job is, they
1021
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:10.360
might disclose in the first shadow play, Uh, that's when
1022
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.719
kind of Henry uh develops his his fascination with with
1023
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.079
with spiders and kind of goes gets deeper into the
1024
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.920
shadow and stuff, and then he has his first kind
1025
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.599
of effectum moment where he he he kills his mom
1026
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.559
and he kills his sister and stuff, and then his
1027
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.599
father thinks that he's his family is cursed that he
1028
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.880
thinks he curses family by moving to Hawkins, so he goes,
1029
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.760
he gets really guilty and cuts his eyes out, which
1030
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:34.840
you mentioned on the show about all the eye stuff.
1031
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:36.480
And that's when.
1032
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.239
Nancy and and uh and uh, I was like, Robin,
1033
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.920
go and meet him at that satan asylum that is
1034
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.639
that's Freddy Krueger Asrupt England. And it's using the same
1035
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.280
archetype of this uh, this force that whispers to people
1036
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.920
in their dreams and goes after your specifically your bad
1037
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.920
traumatic memories and uses that as a way to to
1038
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:56.719
get your get the worst out of you. And I
1039
00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:00.480
don't know, just so, the penny penny Wise is exactly
1040
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.440
what we're talking about here. It's a shape shifting entity
1041
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:09.000
that uses your fear and your trauma to it wants
1042
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.840
it as food like it Pennywise wants it because it's
1043
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.800
like the whole solution kind of adrenochrome idea where it
1044
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.639
just tastes sweeter that it doesn't. It'll kill you regardless,
1045
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:19.159
but it likes to kind of tease its food a
1046
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.920
little bit because it's it's a sweeter meat that way,
1047
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:25.679
I guess, which is very uh, it's very spider like
1048
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.719
the idea that why don't spiders just kill you instead
1049
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:28.880
they webb you up?
1050
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:33.760
And because yeah, no, no, no, you're not rambling at all.
1051
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.199
There's so many things that you're saying that I could
1052
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:38.960
pull out and we could do individual shows on songs exactly.
1053
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.800
I'm making ill Yeah, I'm making little notes of what
1054
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.280
you're saying, trying to keep things in order here because
1055
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.880
I want to go back to certain things in more detail.
1056
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:50.199
But I was looking up the name Henry, like what
1057
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.679
the name Henry means? You know, mister, what's it Henry?
1058
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:56.360
Will and uh. I thought that this was interesting as
1059
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.760
a synchronicity. I think you'll appreciate this. The name Henry,
1060
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.760
it's a Frankish name. It's also I think it's Frankish,
1061
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:09.079
English and French. There's different versions High German Heinrich is
1062
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.679
it's related to Heinrich. But anyway, Henry, the literal meaning
1063
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.719
of the word Henry or the name Henry is ruler
1064
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.599
of the house or ruler of the home. And the
1065
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.400
synchronicity here that I think is interesting is because you
1066
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:26.840
were talking about the Stephen King show and the release
1067
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.400
of Stranger Things five and that these come out around
1068
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.519
the same time, right, yeah, exactly, Okay, and around the
1069
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.239
same time two other things also came out in the
1070
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.639
Fall and Winter number one, you had Alison Borderlands and
1071
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.880
there's a lot of Alice in Wonderlands references and stranger things.
1072
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.719
Alison Borderlands is a Japanese show. It's actually was the
1073
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.760
top number one Netflix show on Japanese Netflix, which I have,
1074
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.199
so I know that, and it is about It has
1075
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.519
Alison Wonderland references, of course, but it's about the underworld,
1076
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.760
the other side, the upside down reality in that world
1077
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.239
changes and shifts very much like VECNA can change reality too,
1078
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.400
and that you have to play games in the underworld
1079
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:11.519
to survive, and a lot of it has to do
1080
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.719
with near death experiences. It's really interesting, but that comes
1081
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:18.159
out at the same time. But another TV show right now,
1082
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:21.039
one of my favorites is the TV show Fallout. And
1083
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.000
I don't know if you ever played those games, Derek,
1084
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:27.199
but Fallout, the Fallout games and the whole lore around Fallout.
1085
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:33.039
Before this big war breaks out between the US and
1086
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.639
Russia and there's a nuclear holocaust and the whole world's
1087
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:40.760
basically destroyed. There's a handful of powerful companies like, for example,
1088
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.719
Vault Tech, which builds the vaults to survive the end
1089
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.440
of the world, rob Co, which is the big robotics company.
1090
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.840
There's a guy that runs and controls most of this.
1091
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.760
His name is mister House, and he's the guy that ultimately,
1092
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.039
when the countries decide that they're going to have peace
1093
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.639
and not war, he decides to with his connections just
1094
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.960
drop the bombs himself. And so mister House destroys the
1095
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.079
world so that a bunch of managers who are just
1096
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.639
basically drones, and then they actually quite literally have these
1097
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.159
little microchips they put into people to turn them into
1098
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:19.880
drones that they'll do whatever they want them to do.
1099
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:25.519
Termaan of vessels so that these managers can recreate the
1100
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.559
world in their image. So a guy that basically is
1101
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.760
at the top of all of this made very famous,
1102
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.840
especially by the by the Fallout New Vegas game. One
1103
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:39.039
of my favorite Fallout games is mister House and Henry
1104
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.239
who's trying to facilitate the work of this other dimensional,
1105
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:47.880
otherworldly thing collapse the pillars of reality using vessels to
1106
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.719
do it. His name translates to Ruler of the House,
1107
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.199
and one of the lines in Fallout is the House
1108
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.320
always wins. That's a really weird synchronicity.
1109
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.360
Is that that is really weird is that a played
1110
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.440
by Walton Goggins, is that the guy with the with
1111
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:02.960
no nose.
1112
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.440
Now he plays the ghoul. I don't know who plays, Okay,
1113
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.360
I was gonna say, I thought the no nose kind
1114
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.719
of it's a very vecna like, very well, it is
1115
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:13.639
actually the you're right. I didn't think of that till
1116
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:14.960
just right now. As soon as you said it, I thought,
1117
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.480
oh my god, you're right. The Ghuls are very vecna like.
1118
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.719
This is a sidebar. But we're the same age. So
1119
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.559
do you remember Are You Afraid of the Dark on
1120
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:24.760
Nickelodeon back in the day.
1121
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.320
I was afraid of the Dark, so I didn't I
1122
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:27.280
didn't watch a lot of it.
1123
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:30.679
It was it was the two big ones from when
1124
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:33.519
we were kids, Goosebumps and Are You're Afraid of the Dark.
1125
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.320
And I feel like Goosebumps has the companion books and stuff.
1126
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.239
That's kind of the ra al Stein's kind of the
1127
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.679
Stephen King for for nineties kids and stuff. But that
1128
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.800
was more of a palatable show. You can kind of
1129
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.920
you can watch that. It's it's scary when you're three
1130
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:47.880
or four, but it's not that scary. But You Afraid
1131
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:49.880
of the Dark was terrifying to me, and a lot
1132
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:55.559
of my most visperable childhood, like scary Sunday scary moments
1133
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.000
is kind of being I remember myself kind of hiding
1134
00:57:58.039 --> 00:57:59.800
behind the couch watching You're Afraid of the Dark. And
1135
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.760
this one of the scariest moments of my childhood is
1136
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.679
this episode where there's this invisible force that was like
1137
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.760
kind of snatching like in a in a high school
1138
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.239
pool that was drowning kids. People don't know what was
1139
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:13.159
going on, so they.
1140
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:13.800
These two kids.
1141
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.840
After hours, you put these chemicals into a pool to
1142
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:21.239
try to make this invisible creature visible, and it comes
1143
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.719
like this is burnt into my brain. I was probably
1144
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.360
three when it came out, and they showed this like
1145
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:30.760
tripping red kind of skeleton thing emerged from a pool
1146
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.239
and it looks oh, I remember that exactly. It couldn't
1147
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.199
look any more like back then if they tried exactly
1148
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.880
like Becta. So it's like, it's just I don't know.
1149
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.719
Sometimes it seems like this show just pulled out, pulled
1150
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.559
out these core these core horrors just from the deep
1151
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.119
recesses of everyone's brains, and just created this amalgamation of
1152
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:49.480
a show.
1153
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.119
Funny Funny, you said that because the the article about
1154
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.079
Scooby Doo that I was reading. By the way, the
1155
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:56.840
name of that episode is Through the Curtain, So Through
1156
00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:58.559
the Veil that's the Scooby Doo episode.
1157
00:58:58.599 --> 00:58:58.960
But in that.
1158
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:03.079
Article, yeah, in that article and the Hollywood article I
1159
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.480
referenced with the Duffer brothers, it said something to the
1160
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.760
effect of they weren't necessarily sure what the inspiration was
1161
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.280
for the Watergate or for for some of the show,
1162
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.800
but they thought, man, maybe maybe a lot of it
1163
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:19.400
was just subconscious stuff from childhood. So that just what
1164
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.880
you said reminded me of that statement in the article,
1165
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.159
So maybe they are. I mean, if you wrote a show, Derek,
1166
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:27.760
I mean, it's not that you're inspired by AI or
1167
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.039
something like this. You would just pull from all the
1168
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.079
things you know and put it into a show exactly
1169
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:34.400
which we.
1170
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:35.159
Should think about doing.
1171
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:37.239
You know, Like I don't have any Hollywood connections, but
1172
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.800
I feel like me and you put our brains together,
1173
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:39.880
we can come up with something.
1174
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.880
Pretty We could have written stranger things, for sure.
1175
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:44.320
For sure, we could.
1176
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.960
I'm interested to see what they come up with next,
1177
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:48.920
Like we'll find out on the.
1178
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:53.039
Next there's two there's two spin offs. Actually they've got planned.
1179
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.920
There's a so they've got so they've got to spin off.
1180
00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:58.800
I can actually pull up the name. I think they
1181
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:00.960
have one of them. Maybe name already. Let me pull
1182
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.719
up the article I had. There's a conformity gait article
1183
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.920
and it says let me scroll down to the bottom
1184
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.440
here by the way, since oh, go ahead, go ahead.
1185
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:13.119
Yeah, I know.
1186
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.039
They tease that the it's going to exist at least
1187
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:17.239
one of the at least one of tho spinoffs. It's
1188
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.079
going to exist in the universe, but have none of
1189
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:20.880
the same characters, and it's not going to mention the
1190
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.440
upside down at all, but it'll just be I think
1191
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.679
probably the thing that connects will be the military, whatever
1192
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.239
the military working in Dimension X or whatever will probably
1193
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.000
be doing, and it'll only take place in the nineties
1194
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:31.760
rather than the eighties.
1195
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:32.679
I would have mentioned it.
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01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:38.280
So this says this particular article says that there's well
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01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.280
I thought that this was the article anyway, I remember
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01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.559
what I read it. I'll have to paraphrase it from memory.
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01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.719
So there's going to be one main series that's going
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01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.599
to be a spinoff, and it's going to go into
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01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:50.679
the details. This is what sounds pretty interesting to me.
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01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.360
They're going to go into the details about what that
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01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.679
thing was in the briefcase? Like, what is this exotic matter?
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01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.199
Yeah? Please I want the head?
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01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.960
Yeah yeah, what is the background on that? They also
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01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.079
have an animated series for this year this year.
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01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.239
Yeah, Tales eighty five or whatever it is. Yeah.
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01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.840
Yes, that takes place in between season two and three
1209
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.239
when all the kids, like when all the kids all exist,
1210
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:18.000
Like like how season season three when Eleven and Max
1211
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.960
become friends and run around them all and stuff and
1212
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:22.119
they have all their kind of a summer adventures and
1213
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.119
stuff that they kind of the show begins with. I
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01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.679
think the that a show is going to basically just
1215
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.159
what what do they do before we met them that summer?
1216
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:33.239
Basically there is a there's another spin off. Okay, so
1217
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.079
here it is. They said that the other spin off.
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01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.440
They're not sure exactly the name or the details, but
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01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:40.840
they're working on two. One is what's in the briefcase.
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01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.159
One is something else. So there's going to I mean,
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01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.360
obviously you'd have to make a spin off. You can't
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01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.159
let that ip set there and not profit from it.
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01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.360
They're going to make multiple sp They're probably going to
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01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.880
overdo it to the point where I won't want to
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01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.159
ever watch anything related to it again. Uh, there's there's
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01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:59.039
a whole bunch of things that you had mentioned earlier.
1227
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.320
That's that's usually a TV shows going after seven eight
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01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.559
Ze's pros. It's a big Star Wars problem. Yeah, So
1229
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:09.719
let's go back to Alice. I mentioned Alice in Borderlands Fallout.
1230
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.039
Let's go back to Alice for a moment, and specifically
1231
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:19.079
the character Holly. And you see when she's in Vecna's
1232
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.639
mind and she's in this room in the house and
1233
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:26.639
there's the Alice in Wonderland poster and she's wearing you
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01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.880
Beat Me Too it on the Ground Zero show, she's
1235
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.920
wearing the Alice in Wonderland dress. But that dress. This
1236
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.559
was something I picked up kind of just by mistake
1237
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:38.639
when I was writing my Occult Arcana book. I was
1238
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.840
writing about fairy tales, and I had never noticed this
1239
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.280
until I was putting a presentation together and I was
1240
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.119
and I referenced, I was pulling stuff out of my
1241
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.960
Occult Arcana book and I put all these pictures of
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01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.639
princesses from Disney stories together. And I'm sure I'm not
1243
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:56.880
the only person I ever realized this, but I realized I.
1244
01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:58.320
Never heard this until you mentioned it on the show.
1245
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:58.960
This isn't to me.
1246
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.880
Yeah, they're all where caring blue and white dresses, and
1247
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:05.679
I had never realized that before. So if you look,
1248
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.039
if you were to go and snow White might kind
1249
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.920
of be an exception because she's got more yellow. But
1250
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:15.159
if you look these characters up, you'll find that they've
1251
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.199
all got blue. And so if you look at the
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01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.599
Alice in Wonderland dress, it is very similar, if not
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01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.559
almost identical, to all these characters. You've got Bell, You've
1254
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.719
got of course, Alice, You've got Dorothy, you got a
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01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.559
little bit of snow White, you got Cinderella, you got Jasmine,
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01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.039
Dorothy too, and Dorothy is of course. I think they
1257
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:38.400
might reference Dorothy in Stranger Things at least once or
1258
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:42.079
twice reference, you know, because of the rainbow and the
1259
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:45.159
Rainbow room. The Rainbow ship is of course the Philadelphia experiment,
1260
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.599
which is reference when those guys are melting into the
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01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.920
walls underneath of the exotic matter in season five. But
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01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.360
the other the blue dress and the blue but I
1263
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:58.960
think that people that are that are Christian would appreciate this.
1264
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.920
The blue dress or the blue and white dress is
1265
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.960
typically how the Virgin Mary is depicted and so this
1266
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:12.079
is theological, it's fairy tale, which those kinds of things
1267
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.360
kind of go together. And it's also in the pop
1268
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.360
culture to the point where you see something like that
1269
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.159
in a TV show and I don't, And I wonder
1270
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.920
if you know those kinds of images, you know, even
1271
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.320
with with Eleven in the first season, when you know,
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01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.400
she wants to look like a girl and she's discovering
1273
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.280
what it what it means to just be a kid,
1274
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:33.760
and they throw the blonde wig on her and it's
1275
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:36.760
a very similar Marilyn Monroe sex kit in mind Control,
1276
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:38.599
and then they put her in front of the mirror,
1277
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.519
you know, the inverse, And that's imagery that you see
1278
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.840
just obsessively in the music industry, split personalities, et cetera.
1279
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.800
When you were describing the blue and white on Ground
1280
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.039
Zero the other day, I was a think the first
1281
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.960
thing I'm pupped in my mind was isn't isn't Epstein's
1282
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.960
temple blue and white white. It's very reminiscent of the
1283
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.280
Disney Castle. And there's all those kind of memes where
1284
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:03.800
it's kind of.
1285
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.960
And Ellen doing stuff, Ellen degenerate, degenerous stage.
1286
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.440
Background stuff, and what were they doing at Epstein's like
1287
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.679
they're doing the the sex crowns and all that kind
1288
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.360
of stuff, but there was this this m Kalta element
1289
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.840
where they're traumatizing these people to probably communicate with and
1290
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:22.920
it's just it's the modern day. If anyone is seeing
1291
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.360
three hundred in the Oracle of Delphi, when when Leonidas
1292
01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:27.559
climbs up the top of the mountain dealing with those
1293
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.920
creepy deformed priest classes that in order to go to war,
1294
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.519
and they start licking the face of that young oracle
1295
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.400
and she's on top of the events and breathing in
1296
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.440
all the steam and the smoke until she gets in
1297
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.880
a houcinogenic state and starts whispering the words of the gods,
1298
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.639
and then the priest class uses those words to lead
1299
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.920
the kingdom and stuff. That's that just happened, that just
1300
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.159
went underground. That's became Kalachar, that became all these that
1301
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.239
became the the mind control Disney kids that we always
1302
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.400
talk about that go to freak out later on and stuff.
1303
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.559
This is it just it's a more scientific, is more
1304
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.719
modern now, but it's the same thing. The Hollywood elite,
1305
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.000
the governmentally using kids as gates, the Gate Program, all
1306
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.039
those kinds of things in order to make contact with
1307
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:10.679
the other side.
1308
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:11.760
Well, then you have Bill Gates.
1309
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.400
Yeah, Bill Gates exactly, exactly.
1310
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.199
Yeah, let me let me pause for just one second.
1311
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:19.800
I want to let listeners know you're listening to the
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01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:23.800
Secret Teachings. I'm Ryan Gable. You've got another forty five
1313
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.199
to fifty minutes of show left. We've got Derek Murphy
1314
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.039
with us tonight. There's a whole Derek Murphy montage of
1315
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.880
shows that are put together into one episode in the archive.
1316
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:34.840
I'm gonna have to go back and find all the
1317
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.199
ones before those, because there's I think we did three
1318
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.719
or four other shows before that free to listen to.
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01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:41.360
There are ads. If you want to get rid of
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01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.119
I want to go back to you, Derek with the
1331
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.400
Epstein observation, because although some of the people involved in
1332
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.480
this were talking like young teenagers, there is a, you know,
1333
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.840
the pedophilic argument and the pedophilic vibes. I got that
1334
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:28.360
from Henry quite a bit, especially in his dream state.
1335
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.840
You know, in his mind, the house is set up
1336
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.039
right across the street from this playground, and they're drawing
1337
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.239
all these kids into the house and basically kidnapping little kids.
1338
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:41.800
So there's like a pedophilic kind of a vibe to
1339
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:42.360
it as well.
1340
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.639
I don't even I.
1341
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.000
Don't necessarily want to get goot On to fight down
1342
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:47.559
this road, but when I was watching the show, I
1343
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.079
kind of got the vibe just of the of the
1344
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.199
season five of the show, like the whole Holly character
1345
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.400
and the recasting Holly and the way they depicted her
1346
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.840
in the show, and some of the shots that they
1347
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.679
used to show here, and when I was watching them
1348
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.760
behind the documentary, the way the Duffer brothers communicated with
1349
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:07.039
her and looked at her seemed eerie to me, and
1350
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:09.079
I didn't like it, like the way they showed her
1351
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:12.480
like eating the fruit and like, I don't know, I
1352
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.119
don't know. And then the online really was like she
1353
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.479
had to delete her Twitter her Twitter account because the
1354
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:22.079
entire the entire internet's creeps all went after her and stuff.
1355
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:25.479
And it's just like there's just this weird, creepy Hollywood
1356
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.159
undercurrent of from all the I mean, that's kind of
1357
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:29.960
all the way, like like I don't for their show
1358
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.479
to exist, they had to shave Millley Bobbie Brown's head
1359
01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:35.239
and put her in these weird scenarios in order to
1360
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:36.239
portray the character.
1361
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:36.640
Oh yeah.
1362
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.640
They also they also had to bind her breasts because
1363
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:42.760
she got very large breasts and then they bound them
1364
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.479
very tightly to make her look like she's not very
1365
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:46.680
developed in the last season.
1366
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:49.840
So there's a weird element to that with that, which
1367
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:53.039
which didn't hit me for the first four seasons, but
1368
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:54.520
this season kind of just like what's going on?
1369
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.000
Why you why are you lingering on Holly Walker walking away?
1370
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.680
Like this is this is a I don't know, it's
1371
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:02.880
it was. It was creepier than the end the season.
1372
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:05.199
Well, okay, so there's a couple of things here. One
1373
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:11.199
Holly Wood Holly, Hollywood. Holly is also in mythology. I
1374
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.560
mentioned this on the last show too. Holly is lightning
1375
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.199
resistant in the mythology and is specifically a plant that
1376
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:21.640
is used to resist darkness and cold. It's one of
1377
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:23.840
those Christmas plants, of course, so it's a it's a
1378
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.640
it's a winter midwinter plant. That's why it can resist evil,
1379
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:31.079
because cold and darkness and whatnot that's evil. But Holly
1380
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.800
resists lightning and goes back to the Tellert currents, the
1381
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:38.600
electricity do oe and the red lightning. That is all
1382
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.159
throughout the show and the promos and whatnot. So there's that,
1383
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.279
you know. There's a there's a lot of controversy about
1384
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.479
the about the Will scene where he's I don't likes
1385
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:51.159
right crazy. I thought it was even SNL joked well,
1386
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:53.359
I thought that was I don't really like SNL much,
1387
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:55.760
but I thought that that part was funny. They're like,
1388
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.119
what what's going on with Will? Why doesn't he have
1389
01:09:58.159 --> 01:09:59.960
a spinoff or something like, because this scene is still
1390
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:00.600
going on.
1391
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:02.560
Exactly.
1392
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.560
But I didn't think that was as bad as people
1393
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:07.199
made it out to be, And when I watched it,
1394
01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:11.079
I thought, Okay, maybe since I like the basis of
1395
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.439
this show, maybe I'm trying to justify it in my head.
1396
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.119
You know why this is this, this focus on the
1397
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.720
on his sexuality is important because I thought, you know,
1398
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:22.600
the Robin character, she's one of my favorite characters. I
1399
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:25.199
love her character and her personality. I don't care if
1400
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:27.720
she's gay. It kind of fit the character, and it
1401
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.640
kind of fit the scene. Will's kind of felt kind
1402
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:32.920
of felt a little bit forced, although they did reference
1403
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:36.279
it throughout the whole series, but even the first the
1404
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.520
first episode, you know, they went on a writer's the
1405
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.880
mother says the Hopper, the police chief, you know, kids
1406
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:44.920
think he's gay, and Hopper says, well, is exactly.
1407
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.439
But I guess the rainbow ship type stuff, I mean,
1408
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.560
they do those like that always struck me more as
1409
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.600
just he was a weird kid, and kids are kids
1410
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.399
are mean, so they're calling him gay kind.
1411
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:56.880
Of and a lot of and a lot of parents
1412
01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.760
My mom was always concerned I was gay. A lot
1413
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:01.239
of like that.
1414
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.319
If you're not, if you're not the best at sports,
1415
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:07.079
then then if you'd rather draw a picture than throw
1416
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:09.640
football in the eighties, your dad's gonna call you gay.
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01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.520
You're either jelish or gay exactly.
1418
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.880
But I think the Internet this is a problem with
1419
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.960
like them looking at the Internet in order to write
1420
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:18.840
these shows and stuff, that the Internet wanted him to
1421
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.359
be gay so bad that they just there was really
1422
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.399
no clues to that as much as of like, I
1423
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:25.840
have no problem with them, they're going to do that,
1424
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.000
they can do it. But I rewatched the show at
1425
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.600
least ten times. I rewatched it before every new season,
1426
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:32.399
and then just before you do show like this, like
1427
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:34.840
you're watching and stuff, and there's really like not that
1428
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.119
many teases of that until all of a sudden, and
1429
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:40.760
then even when like season four when they talk about
1430
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:42.399
him is his big moment with Mike where he's like
1431
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.479
talking was convincing Mike that eleven eleven needs him, and
1432
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:46.760
he's like, it's.
1433
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.520
Really he's really talking about himself and stuff.
1434
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.600
But just I didn't really see that as much, like,
1435
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:53.399
but then the Internet just wanted it to happen so
1436
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.199
much that they just made it happen if they wrote
1437
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:56.560
it into the script, and I think it felt a
1438
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.079
little bit forced. But then when they then the actual
1439
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.880
tentacle though with the and the scene like the series
1440
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.119
or the final season that was like pretty crazy, I can't.
1441
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.399
They're pretty much saying that the trauma, like oh, Fegna
1442
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.439
taking him and doing this to him kind of made
1443
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.880
him made him gay to a certain extent. Is what
1444
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:15.800
kind of what the shows saying.
1445
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.840
Isn't it like you could interpret it that way? And
1446
01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:19.920
that's that's kind of the point I'm getting at, is
1447
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:23.760
that the sexuality aspect of it was maybe more important
1448
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:28.319
and had less to do with LGBTQ and social justice stuff,
1449
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.760
and it had more to do with the underlying storyline
1450
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.239
because if we're talking about whether it's homosexuality or pederacity
1451
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.399
or whatever, that factors very strongly into the idea of
1452
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.720
opening gates torturing children. You know that you mentioned Pennywise
1453
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.920
playing with his food, but the trauma and using the
1454
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.079
trauma to create well mind control slaves essentially or using
1455
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:53.720
it to create vessels, using it to rip open gates.
1456
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:54.399
Uh.
1457
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:59.760
That's been part of the Project Montalk mythology, right, that
1458
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:03.239
they tortured and and and they they maybe raped and
1459
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.000
molested children. That that helps, I mean, that's basically what
1460
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.920
the what the Brenner character is doing, not sexually, but
1461
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.279
they're abusing and torturing these kids. And the more you
1462
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:16.359
do that, like with Carrie Stephen King, the more someone
1463
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:20.079
is tortured, the more those their psychic powers explode out
1464
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:21.640
of them, whether they can control them or not.
1465
01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.479
Uh, you know, maybe the X Men, that's it.
1466
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.680
That's the X Men two and the Dark in the
1467
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.800
first season when they're when Will and Dustin are racing
1468
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:32.319
to ride their.
1469
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.319
Bike and I'll bet you an X Men comic you're.
1470
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:39.960
That's the introduction of the Dark Phoenix saga, and that's
1471
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:42.920
like a cosmic force they call the Phoenix Force. It's
1472
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.399
just like it's depicted as this like big orange fire
1473
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.039
in the space basically comes and possesses Jean Gray. She's
1474
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:53.640
she has psychic powers, she's a she has like telekinesis
1475
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.800
and it's very very eleven. And then she's possessed by
1476
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.520
the psychic force that makes her the most powerful mutant.
1477
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.439
And it's like one of the most famous X Men
1478
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.600
runs of all the time in the eighties. But then
1479
01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:07.720
they used that to directly the show Buffy did a
1480
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.439
did it with their Dark Willow saga in the early
1481
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.760
two thousands before the superhero Boom and us Whedon say,
1482
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:19.000
a former X Men writer, and then they directly did
1483
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:23.079
that the dark Willow, Dark Jean, very dark Phoenix with
1484
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.479
eleven in season two when she's like floating and closing
1485
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.439
the closing that rift with the first time we see
1486
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.079
the giant mind flare kind of behind the orange orange
1487
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:32.159
veil and she's screaming and.
1488
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:34.760
Both like the blood coming down both the nostrils. That's
1489
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:35.840
that's dark Phoenix.
1490
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.399
Oh, there's simply like there's I no, you can finish
1491
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:42.319
your thought because there's some other synchronicities here I just
1492
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:43.319
thought of too, but go ahead.
1493
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.920
No, But that's basically just a traumatized kid the next
1494
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:50.319
man out of the core text of like trauma brings.
1495
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:50.720
Out your powers.
1496
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.560
So whether it's bullied or the Deadpool movie, he's trapped
1497
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.359
in this like coffin and like kept to the point
1498
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.680
where he can't catch a he can't catch a full breath.
1499
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.359
He's given physical trauma and his powers manifest and stuff
1500
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:04.319
that X men, it's trauma gives you powers. And then
1501
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.720
if you have this psychic power, if you have the shine,
1502
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:08.720
the Stephen King shine and from the shining and stuff,
1503
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.720
if you're touched the way ancient culture would would say,
1504
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.399
like then the Phoenix force this cosmic force possesses you,
1505
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.720
uses you as a vessel, and they directs that's the
1506
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.359
X men that they're referencing in the comic is and
1507
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.960
then that's that's what they're using, like visually to depict
1508
01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:27.119
Eleven in season two.
1509
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.199
It's exactly what we're talking about. Vessels.
1510
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:34.520
That's quite literally what Henry or Vecna. But the character Henry,
1511
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:38.319
that's what he tells Eleven repeatedly. He says, remember something
1512
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:42.119
that makes you sad but also angry. And that's how
1513
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:44.119
she was able to get her powers back in the
1514
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.640
and I think that was in the what's the fourth season?
1515
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:48.000
Fourth season?
1516
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:50.720
Yes, it's it's it's set and setting. That's that's the shamanism.
1517
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.560
That's the famous like set and setting.
1518
01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:55.800
If it's the same substance you take, it's the same
1519
01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:59.720
first few steps to the to the ritual. Whether you're
1520
01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.600
in like a real ceremonial setting and you're and you're
1521
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.520
purging yourself and you're doing it the right way to
1522
01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:07.640
take a ceremonial trip, versus if you're locked in a
1523
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.760
basement with your eyelids pride open, watching terrible images by
1524
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.560
the government somewhere, you're gonna be given the same substances,
1525
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.920
you can be given the same fuel, the same entry
1526
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.920
point into the experience, but based on your set and setting,
1527
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:21.600
your experience is colored by that. So you can meet
1528
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.199
you can meet God, you can meet these like benevolent beings.
1529
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.399
If if you're in a curated shamanic setting, but if
1530
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.279
you're in the mk ultra setting, that's when you meet
1531
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:33.560
dark gods. That's when you're encounter that's when you encounter
1532
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.439
the upside down. That's when you encounter these like So
1533
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:40.760
for like if you think, if you Leven can think
1534
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.239
of bad things and she's touched, she touches like more
1535
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:44.119
of this dark power.
1536
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:47.600
We're in the same way. If Will uses the music
1537
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.199
like the clash, will I stay? Will that go now?
1538
01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.319
Or if Max uses Kate Bush, these are positive memories
1539
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:57.239
that she uses to linker to the light, so like
1540
01:16:57.680 --> 01:16:58.680
to change change.
1541
01:16:58.439 --> 01:16:59.039
The set and setting.
1542
01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:02.960
If you if you if if your mind state is negative,
1543
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.600
then you'll be taking down this to the abyss. If
1544
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:07.920
your mind state is positive, they can even escape the
1545
01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:10.520
abyss and be brought to the light. And that's the
1546
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.920
difference between holy experience and an mk ultra my control.
1547
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:17.840
Well, if you read if you read doctor Strassman's book
1548
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:19.359
The Spirit Molecule. You ever read that?
1549
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:21.119
No, No, I'm worry with that.
1550
01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:23.079
But it's a really good book. I think you'd like it.
1551
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.079
It's actually pretty easy to read, and it documents the
1552
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:28.800
different experiences people had on this, you know, in this
1553
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:33.319
clinical setting with DMT at different doses and based on
1554
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:39.039
people's perception of the substance and the study, they had
1555
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.399
a completely different experience. So there was one guy who
1556
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:46.399
was very nervous and he had a nasty experience where
1557
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:49.000
he was interacting with all sorts of dark things. Other
1558
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.399
people were more yeah, man, let me get a dose
1559
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:55.359
of that, and then they had like an angelic experience,
1560
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:59.159
you know. So it mindset factors into it pretty strongly.
1561
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.399
So that means also in the case of the sexuality
1562
01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:08.159
and the homosexuality, just the idea of will maybe not
1563
01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.239
fitting in, maybe maybe being gay, and just feeling like
1564
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.520
you can't fit in for any reason. It could because
1565
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.079
sexuality or whatever the reason is, it could be anything.
1566
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.680
So if you can't you're not fitting in. I mean
1567
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:21.840
that I was kind of like that in high school.
1568
01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.600
You know, it can be traumatizing, it can be stressful,
1569
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.199
and all of those things are the reasons whether he's
1570
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:32.239
gay or not. But those are the reasons why I
1571
01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:34.720
think you alluded to this. That's why he was chosen
1572
01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:38.520
to begin with, because he was a vulnerable kid who
1573
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:41.439
just didn't feel like he fit in, and so that's
1574
01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:45.920
what made him the target. Plus, let's look at the
1575
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:48.159
X Men thing that you just referenced. I just thought
1576
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:52.600
of these synchronicities X Men and the Phoenix. So when
1577
01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.279
the gates are opened in the season four one of
1578
01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:59.039
the season four finale episodes, the gates are finally opened
1579
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:04.039
and Hawkins split into segments, obviously, that creates a center
1580
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.920
place that's an X that marks the spot that's where
1581
01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:12.800
the main gate opens. But hokins it's hawk, and a
1582
01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:17.960
hawk is Horace, and Horace is basically the phoenix in
1583
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.319
Egypt rising out of the ashes. So there's the phoenix
1584
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:24.720
reference back to X Men. X marks the spot in Hopkins.
1585
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.920
So there's some synchronicities there too, and what you just said,
1586
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:32.159
or you know, maybe they can do us. Maybe they
1587
01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.000
can do a spin off of Stranger Things where Mike
1588
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:36.800
and Will get together. They call it Magic Mike.
1589
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.000
And that's another one where too, the Internet was trying
1590
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:42.920
to they call it. They call it shipping. They're trying
1591
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:44.079
to ship a relationship together.
1592
01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:47.079
They they were like, I listen to all the polk,
1593
01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:51.199
like the non conspiracy, like just regular nerds breaking down
1594
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.960
an episode episode, and you hear like they really thought
1595
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:56.239
that they were going to like billion of the season,
1596
01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.279
They're gonna be like making out on the show watching
1597
01:19:58.319 --> 01:19:59.720
the same Have you seen the same show that this
1598
01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:01.399
is this? That's not the show.
1599
01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.039
We're watching it and it's just the Indian. It's the
1600
01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:04.960
same thing with the conformity Gate stuff. It's like you're
1601
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.239
trying to that's not the reality of the show. You're
1602
01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:08.840
trying to make a new show. You know, you're trying to.
1603
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:11.560
I don't know. It just it's a it's a I
1604
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.279
don't I don't like that aspect of the Phantom in
1605
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:14.119
twenty twenty six.
1606
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.119
Is what exactly was conformity Gate. I was confused by
1607
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:17.760
what that was.
1608
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.119
It's just they didn't like, if you don't want to,
1609
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.840
if you don't want to know the exact ending of
1610
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:27.680
the show, tune out for ten seconds. But the idea
1611
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.920
that the ambiguity of eleven, whether she was alive or dead,
1612
01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.000
and the whole mic thing like like ditty is this
1613
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:38.119
uh that that his belief, his idea was not actually
1614
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.920
what happened. And then they'll they'll realize that it was
1615
01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:44.359
all a ploy from VECNA and that there's these little
1616
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.479
easter eggs, these little like continuity errors that a lot
1617
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.000
of the online s loose picked out that like in
1618
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:53.199
season one there's a door is red with a blue
1619
01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:55.840
doorknob or something for just for instance, and in season
1620
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.159
five it's blue with a red doorknob or whatever. So
1621
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:03.239
the and that's because like Hollywood is falling apart, and
1622
01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:05.680
they didn't fix that continuity. They didn't catch that in time.
1623
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:10.199
But because the online fan the only community, didn't like
1624
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.960
the ending as much as they wanted to, they thought that, no,
1625
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.319
this is because they're living, they're in a false reality.
1626
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.319
And then those continuity errors are on purpose. The Deffert
1627
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:20.760
brothers are so smart that they put them in there
1628
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:22.960
on purpose because it's trying to tell us that this
1629
01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:24.960
is not the real world. This is another one of
1630
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.000
these effectum mindscapes. And that episode nine is going to
1631
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.520
come out on January seventh, and we're gonna get a
1632
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.920
real better ending and it's more satisfying and stuff, and
1633
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.359
it's just like it's the same thing they do with
1634
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.039
Game of Thrones. It's just you didn't like the ending
1635
01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:37.800
of Game of Thrones, so you thought that they were
1636
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:39.800
going to come out with a bonus episode just going
1637
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.159
to fix all the problems, and it's just that's not
1638
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:42.439
it's not reality.
1639
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:44.119
And they're still doing it. It's like they keep pushing
1640
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.119
it's it's quing on. They keep pushing the date back,
1641
01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:48.760
back and back. Like I hate it, I really hate it.
1642
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:52.520
I think four hundred thousand people signed a petition to
1643
01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:56.239
see the un to see the unseen footage that that
1644
01:21:56.439 --> 01:21:57.199
wasn't released.
1645
01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.399
But I also think this got fifty fifteen hour season.
1646
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:02.279
It's like every episode is like two hours long.
1647
01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:04.640
How how much they didn't They didn't cut that much footage,
1648
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:06.399
you know, like we got what we got' that's the show.
1649
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.479
But good, no, no, no, You're very passionate about this.
1650
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.439
I understand. So I'm i'm I'm thinking though about conformity
1651
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:14.840
gig because I had first seen that, I was like,
1652
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.119
what what the hell is conformity? I hate when things
1653
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:19.840
just go viral on the Internet. I don't understand what
1654
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.720
drives that and algorithm and certain specific things that are
1655
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.079
probably very explainable. But I see stuff like that, I'm like,
1656
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:28.359
this is so stupid. But then I watched it and
1657
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:32.119
I didn't really understand. I mean, the continuity errors remind
1658
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:34.920
me of The Shining, So maybe you know, in The Shining,
1659
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.920
there's an argument that the continuity errors, especially for Cooprick,
1660
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:41.039
who was very very very strict making sure everything was
1661
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:44.359
perfect and even rewriting things as the as the film
1662
01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:47.560
was shot, kind of makes me and some other people
1663
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.079
think that he did that intentionally, that a lot of
1664
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:54.279
this had to do more with psychology in the mind
1665
01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:58.680
than it did with the paranormal and the supernational, right, yeah,
1666
01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.920
and so maybe that's that could be kind of I
1667
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.279
know that's not what they're arguing though, with the conformity gait,
1668
01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:05.359
but that could be part of it.
1669
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:07.079
I mean, that is it is what it is, I
1670
01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:09.319
think is essentially what they're do. I mean, that's like
1671
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.720
the big like this, the formery game peoples, the lower
1672
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:17.760
tier of of nerd. This is like this is It's
1673
01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.199
not like the most distinguished media consumers and stuff, and
1674
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.319
they just they just want the perfect ending that they
1675
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:26.239
had in their head. Just a fan theorized, ending, I
1676
01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:28.079
don't even know what they expect to have, that they just.
1677
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.720
Wanted more so they wanted the gay sex scene between Mike.
1678
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.439
And Yeah, I guess, I guess.
1679
01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:37.439
But then the more kind of, the more distinguished, the
1680
01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.119
more dignified, I guess pop culture fans are looking at
1681
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.319
them like, oh, you guys are experiencing stranger of things
1682
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.640
the way we've experienced Kubrick for the last forty years
1683
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.279
and stuff, and this is very kubricking and and but
1684
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:52.279
like it's not the same thing saying like exactly what
1685
01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.399
he's saying that Kubrick did these things potentially on purpose
1686
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.319
or that maybe even I mean, I believe I believe
1687
01:23:58.359 --> 01:23:59.840
that he did it on purpose. I'm I'm in the
1688
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.359
I'm in the school of dot where these things are
1689
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:05.159
intentionally He's like, that's why shut and stuff.
1690
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:08.279
You put these things in there on purpose. But there
1691
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:09.840
is a chance that he just kind of messed up
1692
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:10.159
a little bit.
1693
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:12.800
And there is a school of dot where where he's
1694
01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.119
not he's a little bit overrated and and he messed
1695
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:17.279
up a lot. But with the formerity Gate, they're taking
1696
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:18.880
the same thing where like, oh no, this show is
1697
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:20.720
so good, and I love it so much that these
1698
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:23.079
continuity errors can't possibly.
1699
01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.079
Be Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, that makes sense.
1700
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.760
When and all the continuity errors are because that they're
1701
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.159
they're intentionally on purpose to show that you're living. You
1702
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.960
know that their finale is is actually one of these dreamscapes,
1703
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:36.560
one of these like the place where Haully and Max
1704
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:39.039
are one of visits backness fake fake.
1705
01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:43.159
Like it's a really lazy thing to argue though, considering
1706
01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.960
that the whole fourth and fifth season are basically taking
1707
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.760
place in an inception style world, So like any you
1708
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.640
could argue that about everything everything.
1709
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:52.760
Yeah, it's just a lot.
1710
01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:55.119
It's just it's a twenty twenty five twenty twenty six
1711
01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:57.119
problem where people are trying to create their own reality.
1712
01:24:57.199 --> 01:24:59.399
People are it's the problem with the algorithm and stuff.
1713
01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.199
It just whatever you want to be true, whether you
1714
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:06.640
want Trump to be some superhero savior who's que trustal process,
1715
01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:10.119
all these Q things when in reality, the Trust plan everything,
1716
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.359
the supermarket's absolutely awful, and we don't hear anyth about
1717
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:15.399
the Epstein list and all these things. It's just everything
1718
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:18.239
he ran on the opposite's happening. But if you don't
1719
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.039
want to believe that, then you don't have to. You
1720
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.079
can just go online and your algorithm will show you
1721
01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:23.680
the things that you want to see. If if you're
1722
01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:25.840
a Zack Snyder fan and you want to believe ten
1723
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:27.880
years after the movie came out that there's going to
1724
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:29.720
be a new Snyder cut of stuff and Netflix is
1725
01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:31.800
gonna save everything, and you can believe that and stuff,
1726
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.079
You can anything you want to believe what we want
1727
01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:36.560
to color your reality with. The algorithm will take you
1728
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:39.279
down those those paths and stuff, And that's kind of
1729
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.119
scary to me. It could also what we're doing.
1730
01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.800
There was there was a random website that had a
1731
01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.239
bunch of numbers in it and it had like a
1732
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.520
countdown to January seventh, which was part of the formaty
1733
01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:53.319
Gate conspiracy. But see, I think that a lot of
1734
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:59.000
that is just probably pushed and promoted by Netflix because
1735
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:01.359
it gets people talked about it, and whether you like
1736
01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:03.359
the ending or not, it's going to drive more of
1737
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.319
this is really interesting people are talking about I guess
1738
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:07.520
I'm gonna go watch it. It drives more people to
1739
01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:07.960
watch it.
1740
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:09.560
Yeah, And that's a nightmare.
1741
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:13.079
That's the that's the algorithm and that's that's this clickbait
1742
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:16.760
like clicks over credibility with the Internet and stuff, and
1743
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.279
we're it's just kinda balloon out of control.
1744
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:20.319
It's just it's.
1745
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:25.199
It doesn't matter, like the nerd world is just full
1746
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.319
of it, because you can, like any kind of AI
1747
01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:29.680
bought page can just say, oh, well, Brad Pitt was
1748
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.479
cast as cyclops and avengers Doomsday and just put some
1749
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.159
kind of AI image on there with no source or whatever,
1750
01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:37.119
and it's going to get one hundred thousand clicks on
1751
01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:38.720
it and stuff, and it's blatantly not real.
1752
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:41.199
You don't it doesn't like you don't need to.
1753
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:43.239
Say the Internet. It's like seventy five percent that.
1754
01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:46.079
Yeah, that's all and so, and then the it's the
1755
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.319
AI doing it, and then it's all the content creators
1756
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.319
having to compete with the AI doing it, and so
1757
01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:52.960
the thumbnails get more and more extravagant, the headlines get
1758
01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.239
more and more extravagant, the well, I'm just I just
1759
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:57.079
gotta like it doesn't matter.
1760
01:26:57.399 --> 01:26:59.119
This is just one small thing I'm doing. I'm kind
1761
01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:01.439
of embellishing a little put it's small. Who cares?
1762
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:04.840
But it's just if everyone is doing that, then it's
1763
01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:08.640
just it's no, it's snowballs and we're just reality becomes
1764
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:10.560
completely fake and I don't know, it's just it's a
1765
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:10.960
dark thing.
1766
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.840
I think this is kind of the I think it's intentional.
1767
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.199
I think this is the arconic aspect that these AI
1768
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:19.680
and these algorithms have, Like you inclined to the show
1769
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:23.760
about algorithm being based off alcohol and All Star and
1770
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.600
all that kind of things, that that there's something demonic
1771
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.399
er or something at least young in shadow about AI
1772
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:31.039
and the way.
1773
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:34.119
It's dragging us down and putting us spring.
1774
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:37.199
Wasn't that Rick and Morty too. Didn't the aliens build
1775
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:40.680
like an app to take over the world driven by algorithm? Probably?
1776
01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:42.279
I don't think I'm much if I saw that one.
1777
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:45.079
But that's why Rick and Morty there's kind of real.
1778
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.239
I'm going to be twenty of rants about both the
1779
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:49.119
Internet and how bad it is, but I think it'll
1780
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:49.920
ties it together.
1781
01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:52.640
Now you can actually kind of pull us up. I
1782
01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:54.359
guess you could call it a synchronous city in a way.
1783
01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:56.279
You can kind of pull this out of the conformity Gate,
1784
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.199
because it's not the conformity Gate conspiracy, but the idea
1785
01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:02.520
that maybe in relation to the child abuse and the sexuality,
1786
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.560
and themes that maybe some of this stuff was kind
1787
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.000
of in the mind of Will because he was disassociating
1788
01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:12.359
from what was happening. That's not really a mainline conspiracy,
1789
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:14.560
but you can kind of pull that out of the show.
1790
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:16.880
And then of course that I think it's interesting that
1791
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.319
the draft, what do they call it, a treatment, the
1792
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:24.359
treatment for Stranger Things originally was called montalk and it
1793
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:26.840
looks like a comic book cover. Right, it's called the
1794
01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.279
Stranger Things Bible. If you type that in and PDF,
1795
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:31.039
you can pull up the pull it up on the
1796
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:34.359
internet free. But when you watch the credits at the
1797
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:38.520
very final, the very final credits of the show, I'm
1798
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:42.479
assuming you watch them. The final the final scene before
1799
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.720
it goes black, is a D and D book, but
1800
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.399
it's Stranger Things, and it says Stranger Things is a
1801
01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:51.760
role playing game. So you go from like a real
1802
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:56.680
government conspiracy project, you know, comic book cover to start
1803
01:28:56.840 --> 01:28:59.920
and then to end the Stranger Things the experience is
1804
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.920
really just a D and D role playing game. That's
1805
01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:05.239
kind of interesting. I have not heard that brought up yet.
1806
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:08.399
It is interesting and it kind of gets you into
1807
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:09.399
a real world m.
1808
01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.800
Kochia style stuff too, Like there's a I haven't gone
1809
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:14.600
to down to find down these rabbit holes. But the
1810
01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:18.119
these a lot of the most recent shooters, at least
1811
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.279
especially from the twenty twenties are kind of inter role
1812
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.319
playing games and kind of there's a role playing game
1813
01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:27.319
element to some of these dark rabbit holes with with
1814
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.159
the with these shooters and these tarist attacks and stuff.
1815
01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.600
And it's like the way people will We've talked about
1816
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.000
it with that show. Uh I'm blanking on the name,
1817
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:37.920
but it's like it's like the voice of American Idol,
1818
01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:39.960
but they use their online avatars instead.
1819
01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:45.000
Of using their actual bodies all the mask singer something
1820
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:45.199
like that.
1821
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:47.279
It's not the mass singer, it's something like that, but
1822
01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:51.720
they're they're usually like literally their online emoji avatars dancing
1823
01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:54.600
around rather than them. They like creating their own these
1824
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:59.079
they're curating their own personas and stuff, Like they're playing
1825
01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:02.760
a role that potentially like the way kind of people
1826
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:06.479
are weaponized is in this role playing game mode where
1827
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:10.359
like they're creating so much trauma, they're making the kind
1828
01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:14.399
of waking world reality seem uh like unpalatable, and so
1829
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:18.159
people decide that they they rather joint, like just associate
1830
01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:22.640
and join these uh online communities are these uh D
1831
01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.680
and D specifically role playing game, but they you the
1832
01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.560
internet and kind of the modern world as a role
1833
01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:31.520
playing game, and you enter the playing field, we log
1834
01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:35.319
onto the Internet and you assume this completely different identity.
1835
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.319
You can curate whoever you want, Like the person behind
1836
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:39.840
the behind the keyboard might not be reflective at all
1837
01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.319
of their what they're presenting.
1838
01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:43.720
To people online and stuff. And that's kind of this,
1839
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:45.439
and you can.
1840
01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:48.039
You can put that smiley face mask, that smiley face
1841
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:51.239
mask over the monster. And what is the internet? What
1842
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:52.880
do we call the internet? We call it the web?
1843
01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:55.720
And what gets stuck in a web the food of
1844
01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:56.279
a spider.
1845
01:30:57.159 --> 01:30:58.319
Yeah, and they don't kill.
1846
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.439
Then, And just like this, it's just like, I don't
1847
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:02.920
know why I associate archons with spiders so much.
1848
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.399
The behavior of spiders is demonic to me.
1849
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:07.520
It's that's the reason why I have no qualms with
1850
01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:09.439
with killing one if I see one in the corner
1851
01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:11.199
of my room. If I know, if if they were
1852
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:13.359
as large as me, that they would web me up
1853
01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.159
and keep me alive as they fed on me slowly
1854
01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:18.000
over a long period of time and evolutionarily, what's the
1855
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.560
benefit of that other than like this penny wise aspect
1856
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:25.880
of it's it's better if it's you're a little scared,
1857
01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.680
you know, it's it's it's it's why not why not
1858
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.159
just kill you right away? Like when it's but it's
1859
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.399
better if to keep you alive and kind of pray
1860
01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.399
on you so they don't want to ruin you.
1861
01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:38.920
They don't want to. I don't want to like wear
1862
01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.359
you down to a to kill yourself.
1863
01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:42.960
They want to wear you down to you want to
1864
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:46.880
buy a bunch of stuff online or buy munch of pharmaceuticals.
1865
01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:52.479
Or you're toyed with You're toyed with the Yeah, you're.
1866
01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:55.399
Slowly slowly fed on with your attention because they want
1867
01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:58.439
those clicks and everything, and they they keep you in
1868
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.960
this fight or flight mode because you buy more stuff
1869
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:04.760
or you're more reactive, are you're more likely to click
1870
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:08.439
on their rage bait things and everything. And it's just, yeah,
1871
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:08.760
I don't know.
1872
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:10.760
It kind of reminds me of it kind of maminds
1873
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:12.880
me of No Face from Spirited Away. You've ever seen
1874
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:13.279
that movie?
1875
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:15.359
I had? I actually am not.
1876
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.680
Oh my god, I've got to give you a professional
1877
01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:23.119
and a friendly recommendation. You've got to watch Spirited Away.
1878
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:23.399
You will.
1879
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:24.960
You will really like it. It's one of my favorite
1880
01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:27.560
movies all the time. But this girl goes she's spirited
1881
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:30.720
Away Kami Kokushi. She gets dragged into this other world
1882
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:34.600
by going through a gait a portal without realizing that
1883
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:36.439
they walk through like a tunnel, and they end up
1884
01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:39.920
in the other world, the spirit world, and she ends
1885
01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.840
up working at a bath house, and the spirits are
1886
01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:44.640
coming in and out of the bath house, and there's
1887
01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:50.920
this dark spirit called No Face. So he's pale white face. Yeah,
1888
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:52.760
everybody knows No Face even if you haven't seen it.
1889
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.760
But but No Face is very similar to a slender man,
1890
01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:59.319
not the body, but the face. It's a pale white
1891
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:03.039
face with very little, you know, characteristics and definition. It's
1892
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.600
how Hopper explains the demagorgan to the Russians in the Gulag.
1893
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:10.760
And so this monster it offers. You know, everybody's really
1894
01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:13.760
excited at the bath house because this this monster has
1895
01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:15.880
showed up, doesn't really look like a monster, but he
1896
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:18.560
has all this gold and he's just giving out handfuls
1897
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.520
of gold for food and for extra towels. And all
1898
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:25.760
this stuff, and then at one point everybody starts fighting
1899
01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.199
and arguing because there's so much gold. Everybody gets super greedy,
1900
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.159
and the main girl she refuses it. She's like, I
1901
01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:34.039
don't need any more. I don't need any money. I'm
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just happy doing what i'm doing. I'm trying to get
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back to my parents. I don't need money. And so
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this thing gets really upset because she's not taking the gold.
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Long story short, you know, everybody's fighting to get the
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01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.600
extra gold that she won't take, and this monster, this
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thing just opens up as it's getting fatter from eating
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and eating and eating, and it starts it just starts
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eating people. And even though it's eating people, people still
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want the gold, and the more gold they take, the
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gold starts to turn into to ash, which is also
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part of the UFO and fairy mythology. The more you
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feed it, the bigger it gets. It eventually consumes you.
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It's a very And also at one point I just
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remembered this. At one point one of the scenes where
1916
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she goes to bring it something, the main girl, it
1917
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turns into almost like a spider type thing and is
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demanding that she takes the goal. So it's like a
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parasitic spider mind flare type of thing. And it's shadowy,
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it's a theory, it doesn't really have a full definition,
1921
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which is similar to the misty stuff in Stranger Things.
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I just just thought of that too. There's a lot
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of there's just so many different parallels and synchronicities. Because
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we're all talking about whether it's entertainment or mythology, we're
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all talking about pretty much the same thing. I wanted
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to bring this up before I forget. This is one
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of my favorite things that I picked up in the show.
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Did you pick up the Collie reference before you heard
1929
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me mentioned on Ground zero eleven Sisters?
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Yeah?
1931
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I was similar to you where the name didn't strike
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me as much until watching season five, like, oh yeah Collie,
1933
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Wow the cut of instruction and stuff, but uh I did.
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I did catch it, but please explain it. But I
1935
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didn't like it.
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Didn't name didn't stick out to me when I watched
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originally in season two, but then season five, I feel
1938
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.720
like they really pronounced the name, like like they wanted
1939
01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:17.640
you to make the associations.
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Yes, yes, and and it would have been interesting if
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we're dealing with time and her name's Collie the Goddess
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of Time, and it was just that, but I thought
1943
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it was actually kind of brilliant. I don't know who
1944
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wrote this part, but I thought it was brilliant. They
1945
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:34.079
incorporated the literal story of Collie into the character because
1946
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Eleven's I think she's the adopted sister of Eleven. She
1947
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is trying, she really wants to stop the government from
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making more of these super soldier type kids, or making
1949
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more of these these kids with these these powers of
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01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:50.840
telekindic abilities. So she's trying to stop the government from
1951
01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:55.319
taking the blood of people like Eleven, because Henry's blood
1952
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.560
is what started the whole program, and she wants to
1953
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.159
stop the production, the creation of these as they refer
1954
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:04.560
to Eleven, Henry refers to her as the monster who
1955
01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:08.199
created him, right Vekna, So wants to stop the creation
1956
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:11.600
of monsters by stopping the government from having access to
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01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:16.439
this blood. That is the story of Kali. She fights demons.
1958
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:20.159
She defeats a demon named rok Tabja. I'm not sure
1959
01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:24.199
if I'm pronouncing it correctly, rok Tabija, And when the
1960
01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:27.359
blood of the demon drips to the ground, this is
1961
01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:30.119
why Colley's tongue is out she licks the blood up
1962
01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:34.119
so it doesn't create and produce more monsters and more demons.
1963
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:39.000
So they in corporated that directly into Stranger Things, like
1964
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:44.119
completely directly literally from the mythology. It was a brilliant character.
1965
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.560
I didn't like her character, but the way they incorporated
1966
01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.119
that into the character made me kind of like the character.
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I thought it was brilliant.
1968
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:53.600
That kind of makes you think that they maybe they're
1969
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.479
smarter than give them credit for, because that's something that
1970
01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:58.680
maybe they knew. They knew they were going to do
1971
01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:00.399
that all the way from season two when they introduced
1972
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:02.000
there that I was.
1973
01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:06.800
Thinking the same thing, right, Yeah, it's really yeah, Hold
1974
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:08.920
on a second, I just remember something else you had
1975
01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.880
said to me. We were talking about the Barbie movie
1976
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.119
and the Barbie Oppenheimer movies, which I think you and
1977
01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:17.560
I maybe did a show in that. I know I
1978
01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:20.119
hosted a Ground zero about it. But the Barbie Oppenheimer
1979
01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:24.079
movie connection is very similar to this because we're talking
1980
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:26.960
about the gates and the portals being ripped open yea,
1981
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.720
these big beings humans playing with these dolls on the
1982
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.199
other side, and then the Oppenheimer movie being sold alongside
1983
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:37.399
of Barbie and that's about, you know, the bomb and
1984
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.239
opening up the gate to the other side in a
1985
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:41.680
sense too. Can do you remember much of that? Can
1986
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.279
you explain that series of synchronicities.
1987
01:37:44.920 --> 01:37:48.039
I've never actually I didn't. We did the show together
1988
01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.359
and I watched Oppenheimer, but I never actually watched Barbie.
1989
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:53.560
So I'm going off on you talking about Barbie in
1990
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:57.079
the in the Memorane of Reality and Passion through the Veils.
1991
01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:00.199
But I remember you mentioned in the Saturn sigil was
1992
01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:00.960
in Bobbie.
1993
01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:04.319
Yeah, she's in the well. Actually, it's funny you say that.
1994
01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:06.279
It just reminded me when she saw it. When you
1995
01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:10.720
see the Saturn sigil, Uh, it is. And they actually
1996
01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:13.640
the way that they edit it, there's a disco ball
1997
01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:16.119
spinning and it kind of fades out, so the ball
1998
01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:18.000
is spinning in the middle of this ring, so it
1999
01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:21.680
looks like Saturn. But when she's when she's she says,
2000
01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:25.119
do you guys ever think about death? Which is Saturn
2001
01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.600
the architect? Oh yeah, yeah, And she's in her quote
2002
01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:33.319
dream house when she says that, And I.
2003
01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:37.119
Mean and the CALLI Kelly Kevin, the time connection of
2004
01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:39.600
Saturn arms with the god at the time, and then
2005
01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:44.479
they released the show as the three part released, but
2006
01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:46.159
one of the parts what they released on Christmas, so
2007
01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:49.319
they made it a The show has been primarily associated
2008
01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:52.079
with summer, the fourth of July and then Halloween obviously,
2009
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.239
but then they released the show on Saturday, Alia with
2010
01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:55.119
that kind of interesting.
2011
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:56.960
Oh, I didn't even think about that Saturday Eli. And
2012
01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.840
then Henry walks around. He talks about how he's, you know,
2013
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.960
using these kids to build something, so construct something, so
2014
01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:06.960
an architect, a grand architect. You see at the radio
2015
01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:10.039
station and the character Max has this on her shoes.
2016
01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:13.319
You see the black and white Masonic floor. The duality
2017
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:16.920
between worlds and states of of of of thought and feeling,
2018
01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:20.039
black and white, good and evil, good in light or
2019
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:23.399
good in light versus bad and dark. We'll go ahead,
2020
01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:23.680
go ahead.
2021
01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:28.000
Remember the opening to thee maybe the closing anything was
2022
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:31.800
the opening to the Summer Olympics, the most recent Summer Olympics.
2023
01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:34.279
With that the I figure what they call it, the
2024
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:40.760
Golden not the Golden Watcher, but with the French Olands. Yeah,
2025
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:42.920
with the alien thing coming down from the sky. It
2026
01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.399
was like it's like it looked like a weird spiky
2027
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:51.199
bumblebee type metallic golden alien thing came down, Golden Explorer,
2028
01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:55.560
the golden something. But like the the basically looked.
2029
01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.800
Like this weird kind of I don't know, alien coming
2030
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:03.239
down and then guiding people to like uncover these these
2031
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:07.239
giant creatures, these giant machines that they opened together. These
2032
01:40:07.439 --> 01:40:10.800
they were like it was like kind of I depicted
2033
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:12.840
as like the gray Aliens or kind of some kind
2034
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.000
of like Luciferian character, some kind of Promethean like some
2035
01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:20.159
kind of conduit type character who intermediary come down from
2036
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.000
coming up from space. It comes down to the material
2037
01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:27.760
plane communicates with humanity to get them to open the gate,
2038
01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:29.760
to get them to unburied tartarists. They get them to
2039
01:40:30.039 --> 01:40:31.880
unlock the door to let this thing back in. That
2040
01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:36.640
there's the Luciferian figure corrupt corrupting humanity to get them
2041
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.399
to release a Saturn type figure. And that's kind of
2042
01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:42.560
the VECNA corrupting these kids to get them to be
2043
01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:44.560
the builders or to get them to open the gates
2044
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:46.640
or et cetera, et cetera, in order to release this
2045
01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:52.159
mynd flavor figure, this Luciferian corrupter, to to release this
2046
01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:56.079
attorneyan oh god, this trap somewhere. You know, that's the
2047
01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:57.760
Olympic like opening too.
2048
01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:01.399
I don't remember the image that you're refering too. I
2049
01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.760
remember some of the I remember the golden bull head
2050
01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:05.720
and some of the other more controversial stuff.
2051
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:10.279
I know it's the Olympics, Golden I don't have it.
2052
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:11.760
I don't want to mess up my antinet by trying
2053
01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:13.680
to search for it. Talk for a minute and as
2054
01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:14.199
you can find it.
2055
01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:17.479
Yeah, well, I remember the pale horse or the gray
2056
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.640
silver horse and some of the other things related to
2057
01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:22.760
the river, and isis some of that if we're talking
2058
01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:26.520
about the French Olympics, the Dionysus, last seperate Meal and whatnot.
2059
01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:29.319
While you're looking that up, I'll also mention the there
2060
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:34.359
was a sigil of Jupiter also in Oppenheimer when actually
2061
01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:39.199
the Department of Energy he's talking about the or the
2062
01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:41.880
Atomic Energy Commission. He's talking about the different laboratories that
2063
01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.520
are going to be used to build the bomb, and
2064
01:41:44.600 --> 01:41:47.720
he draws them all out on a chalkboard and then
2065
01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:50.800
he draws a circle around the X that marks the
2066
01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:53.399
spot in the middle where it all converges, and that's
2067
01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:57.439
the sigil of Jupiter, which is typically I mean you
2068
01:41:57.880 --> 01:41:59.479
use it for different things, but you can use the
2069
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:05.680
Jupiter if you're involved in a quarrel or a fight.
2070
01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:09.119
So we're fighting, you know, competing with let's say the
2071
01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.640
Nazis to build the bomb, the Germans to build the bomb,
2072
01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:15.159
and you're using it for protection against your enemy in
2073
01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:18.399
case your enemy develops you know, the weapon or you know,
2074
01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:20.840
gets whatever it is that can defeat you first. And
2075
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.119
that's the actual sigil of Jupiter. That's what it's one
2076
01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:26.319
of the things that's used for. And that just kind
2077
01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:29.520
of gets sprinkled into a movie like Oppenheimer, which is
2078
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.600
more of a science based movie, and it was again
2079
01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:35.079
sold next to Barbie where they're talking about membranes opening
2080
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.439
between worlds with this power and energy and there's it's
2081
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:43.960
there's no way that all of this stuff is just coincidental.
2082
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:48.079
Crazy crazy, I found it. But it's the Golden Voyager.
2083
01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:51.119
I send you a picture on a text on it.
2084
01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:54.479
But it's this weird kind of like masked, faceless, golden
2085
01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:59.600
like b looking, weird spaceman looking thing that comes down
2086
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:03.359
from from guy deals with humanity because humanity to Unbury.
2087
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:03.520
Looks like.
2088
01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:08.560
It looks the work Yes Talos, Yeah, there's a there's
2089
01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:12.319
a Kirby character looks pretty similar to this. I'm like
2090
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.239
another name, but it's some kind of weird alien character.
2091
01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:19.840
Jack Herbery character, but you're talking Oppenheimer. And synchronistically, the
2092
01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:23.399
guy who the actor Matthew Modine plays, he plays Papa
2093
01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:25.239
Brenner plays like the head of him Kultra, who I
2094
01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:31.000
think is a is a Tim Leary Corollary plays vanover
2095
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.279
Bush in Oppenheimer, a very very small role, but vanover
2096
01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:38.119
Bush as a weird character who mentioned on the show,
2097
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:40.479
but it's a He was the head of Majestic twelve.
2098
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:42.439
He was like, there's a quote from from Truman being like,
2099
01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:45.039
if you come up with any alien stuff, bring it
2100
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:48.479
to me, or bring it to vanover Bush. He was
2101
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.600
at the Manhattan Project, which is why using in Openheimer.
2102
01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:54.680
He was at the Philadelphia Experiment, which ties into the.
2103
01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:58.560
The Rainbow that Will's mom, remember when you drew the
2104
01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:00.760
Rainbow ship, your ship the rainco.
2105
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:04.920
Ship exactly, and he was he was hevented raytheon which
2106
01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:10.479
means uh, radiant God. And then he Tesla's papers from
2107
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:13.359
Trump's uncle. So when Trump's uncle was given the Tesla papers,
2108
01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:16.039
Oh really, I didn't know this, Yeah, because he worked
2109
01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:18.119
at mi T at the time. The head of them
2110
01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.880
i T Science department was Vaneverar Bush, so they were friends.
2111
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.880
He was friends with Trump's uncle, and Trump's uncle brings
2112
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:27.560
consults the head of the department, vanever Bush with these papers.
2113
01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:29.680
So the same way all of the conspiracy theories of
2114
01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:31.600
whether or not Trump the time traveled because of this,
2115
01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:34.199
the same kind of applies to Van never Bush, who's
2116
01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:35.800
played by played by Papa Brenner.
2117
01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:38.000
What about this, there's a bunch of those weird casting choices.
2118
01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:40.479
What about the Leary connection to one Owner Rider? Because
2119
01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:42.880
we I know, I didn't know this before Ground Zero,
2120
01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:44.239
So when we were on the show, I had looked
2121
01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:47.239
it up and found that the Duffer brothers specifically sought
2122
01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:51.319
out Win Owner Rider to play Will's mother. She chose
2123
01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:53.600
the part because she liked the script and being this,
2124
01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:57.560
you know, playing this mother character, and said, well, it's
2125
01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:58.800
kind of hard for me to do it. I get
2126
01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.119
if it doesn't inn fear. I think it was with
2127
01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:04.000
the Beetlejuice movie she was working on. She said, I'll
2128
01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:06.039
do it if it doesn't interfere with that. So they
2129
01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:08.880
worked around that to make sure that they could get
2130
01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.760
her to play the character. But you had said that
2131
01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:15.359
Lenona Ryder has a direct connection to Leary, so.
2132
01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:17.680
She she's like, uh, in season one, if you back,
2133
01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:19.399
I remember, she was the big star. She's the only
2134
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:20.000
kind of face.
2135
01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:23.399
Hopper and Eleven and all these all these people they
2136
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weren't they were like, uh, Hopper was a minor actor
2137
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.520
if anything, but she was. She was the reason why
2138
01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:31.119
the show got made. She was number one in the
2139
01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:35.760
call sheet. And synchronistically, her godfather in real life is
2140
01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:41.039
Tim Leary. That's so crazy, so crazy, so crazy, and uh,
2141
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:42.840
so I knew that that's really all I knew of it,
2142
01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:44.520
and I knew it was gonna come up on the
2143
01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:45.840
on the show the other day, so I wanted to
2144
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.399
get deeper into it, and how did that even come
2145
01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:51.000
up come about? And so apparently her parents are Michael
2146
01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:54.920
Horowitz and Cynthia Palmer Horowitz, and they're both both writers
2147
01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:57.560
and activists and just kind of like thinkers of the time.
2148
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:02.520
And Michael worked as archivist for Timothy Leary, so they
2149
01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:04.840
were fairy close friends. So tim Leary became her godfather.
2150
01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:07.039
And then I'm like, that's kind of a weird, weird thing.
2151
01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:09.920
So Ronora his.
2152
01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:12.640
Parents, Michael Horworth and Cynthia Palmer, were actually founders of
2153
01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:17.359
the Reda's Little founders of the Fritz fitz Hugh Low
2154
01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:21.159
Memorial Library, a renowned collection of psychoactive drug related literature.
2155
01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:24.199
The library was established in nineteen seventy in San Francisco
2156
01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:26.760
and is considered one of the largest and most comprehensive
2157
01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:28.199
collections of its kind in the world.
2158
01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:30.840
So it's like, who is this fitz Hugh Lolow character.
2159
01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:33.359
There's a name for fitz hu Lolow, author of the
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01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:36.680
first full length work of drug literature written by an American,
2161
01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:39.960
called The Hashish Eater in eighteen fifty seven, And it's
2162
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:44.000
hugely influential with the psychedelic movement and the like the
2163
01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:48.439
movement of scientists and thinkers and philosophers to explore the
2164
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:51.760
world of quantava altered states, like the term alted states
2165
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:53.720
that beliefs comes from this book. And just like it's
2166
01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:57.279
this is like the it's about like weed. So it's
2167
01:46:57.279 --> 01:46:57.880
not like about.
2168
01:46:57.720 --> 01:46:59.239
Pelsty Neck kind of stuff, but it's kind of the
2169
01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:04.399
psychedelic Bible, like the Amachai Ultra. Anything that happened in
2170
01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:07.560
the nineteen hundreds wouldn't exist without this eighteen hundreds Hashishi.
2171
01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:09.720
Eater and then kind of the Koud de Gras.
2172
01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:11.520
The reason why I'm bringing it up is because like
2173
01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:14.600
this is on the wikie, which just blew my mind.
2174
01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:18.920
But Howard Phillips Lovecraft HP. Lovecraft owned a copy of
2175
01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:21.399
The Hashishi Eater. He bought it in nineteen twenty five
2176
01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:24.680
from fellow writer and bookseller Samuel Loveman. In a nineteen
2177
01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:28.800
twenty seven letter to Bernard Austin Dwyer, Lovecraft declared of
2178
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:30.600
the influence of Lovelow's writings on his own.
2179
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.600
And it's a quick quote I have read. Have I
2180
01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:37.279
read Fitzhugh love Low's Hashishi Eater? Why Sir I possessed
2181
01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:39.720
upon mine own shelves and would not part with it
2182
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:43.640
for any inducement whatever whatsoever. I have frequently re read these,
2183
01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:47.600
these fantasmic gorias exotic color, which proved more of a
2184
01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:50.920
stimulant to my own fancy than any vegetable alkaloid ever
2185
01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.880
grown and distilled. The reeling panoramas out of space and
2186
01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:56.880
time have an unmistakable tinge of authenticity, and even the
2187
01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:00.600
metaphysical speculations were far from arid and just basically just
2188
01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:03.840
goes on and be like Lovecraft wouldn't exist, love Craft
2189
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:06.479
like the weird lovecrafting and weird.
2190
01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:09.239
All the tentacles, all the tentacles and strangers things, all.
2191
01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:12.760
That everything wouldn't exist unless he read this classic book
2192
01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:16.439
about theesh Eater that when I want to write his
2193
01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.399
parents went on to make a museum book, Scott, what
2194
01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:20.359
are the odds of that?
2195
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:24.720
That might be the most crazy, the most wild of
2196
01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:26.159
all the stranger sinks?
2197
01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:28.279
That is absolutely bizarre.
2198
01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.680
That is bizarre. I'll try to match it if you
2199
01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:34.720
if we go back and look at the watch Towers
2200
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:37.760
and the opening of those four gates and stranger things.
2201
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:40.840
Just a little background on the watch Towers and the
2202
01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.079
Inochian magic of John d and Edward Kelly. So the
2203
01:48:44.199 --> 01:48:49.039
watch Towers otherwise known as the gates, this is, this
2204
01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:54.079
is a grid of letters and characters that name angels
2205
01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:56.960
and kings and different entities that are that are all
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01:48:57.199 --> 01:49:01.119
involved in this process. And John Dne Edward Kelly were
2207
01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:05.960
supposedly talking to angels. It references kings, which is also
2208
01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:09.359
the secondary definition of what henry means. Henry means the
2209
01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:12.119
ruler of a house. It also means the king of
2210
01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:17.439
the house. So Alister Crowley famously. I think for anybody
2211
01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:22.199
who knows Crowley, he famously incorporated the Inenochian magic into
2212
01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:24.840
his work. He adapted it and altered some of it.
2213
01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:27.960
He scried and used some of the same elements and
2214
01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:30.399
some of the same techniques and put that into the
2215
01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:36.279
filming system. Now, Jack Parsons, that's people joke and say
2216
01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:40.119
JPL is the Jack Parsons Lab, Jeff Propulsion's lab. Jack
2217
01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:42.520
Parsons who famously would go in the desert and he
2218
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.199
kind of sang or read poetry to the god pawn
2219
01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:51.199
and would launch his his rockets. Right, this is real stuff.
2220
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:56.439
It's real. I think there's an article on that. I
2221
01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:59.039
think if you can tell, let's find it. Jack Parsons,
2222
01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:03.039
a Holt's history. I think it was like a Scientific
2223
01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:07.399
American article or something. There should be several articles in that.
2224
01:50:07.399 --> 01:50:08.119
You could look it up though.
2225
01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:11.039
But yeah, I mean CBS made a Strange Angel, a
2226
01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:12.479
whole TV show about him, which I.
2227
01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:15.720
Haven't watched, but all these yeah, this is real, folks.
2228
01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:18.720
I think it's on Paramount Plus or whatever, but came
2229
01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:20.640
out like twenty nineteen ish range. But yeah, so I
2230
01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:21.840
think it's the whole series about I.
2231
01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:23.479
Think it's the only thing I have close enough to
2232
01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:26.000
what you just said that was such a such a bombshell.
2233
01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:30.119
So Jack Parsons, also like Crowley, this was the father
2234
01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:36.640
of modern rocket Tree outside of Werner von Braun. Jack Parsons,
2235
01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:39.880
who was a follower of Crowley and a leader in
2236
01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:44.359
the Agate Lodge of the Oto, and he incorporated in
2237
01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:50.279
Nokian magic rituals into his work, including Babylon working, which
2238
01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:54.680
was done alongside of people like l Ron Hubbard. And
2239
01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:59.359
this involved sex magic ceremonies that were aimed to incarnate
2240
01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:04.880
incarnate Babylon on Earth otherwise known as the moon Child
2241
01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:10.800
or get this. The purpose of doing this was to
2242
01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:18.920
shatter the space time boundaries and usher in the aon
2243
01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:23.920
of Horace the Hawk Hawkins space time boundaries. That's the
2244
01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:27.760
whole upside down. It's quite literally a rip in space time.
2245
01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:32.159
And then if you go a little bit further, Parsons
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01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:36.399
incorporated the Enochian calls. These are the invocations of the
2247
01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:40.640
angelic language to do what people have always assumed the
2248
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:43.239
atomic bomb in the occult realm. People have assumed the
2249
01:51:43.239 --> 01:51:45.600
atomic bomb did was open a gate to another dimension.
2250
01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:46.920
I think there's a little bit of a reference to
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01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.960
that in what's that other TV show Twin Peaks? Exactly
2252
01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.319
probably inspired by this. I've never actually watched much of
2253
01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:57.880
Twin Peaks, but probably inspired by this. So Parsons used
2254
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:03.560
Enochian calls to open interdimensional gates, drawing on the watch
2255
01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:07.199
towers or the four different watch towers, the four directions,
2256
01:52:07.239 --> 01:52:11.239
which is literally what Vechna is doing in Stranger since
2257
01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:14.000
he's opening the gates using the watch towers.
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01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:18.840
Wow. Wow, geez. Always people talk about like why you
2259
01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:20.399
guys talking about changing things, and it's like, how do
2260
01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:21.920
you listen to something like that and be like, no, no,
2261
01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:23.600
this is all just fake. This is all just fantasy.
2262
01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:25.359
But you guys just reading too much and just entertained
2263
01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:27.479
to these just doesn't make any sense. But it reminds
2264
01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:30.840
me of a you're talking about Oppenheimer and Bobby and stuff.
2265
01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:35.880
Do you remember like the Christopher Nolan is known for
2266
01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:38.279
all these practical effects and doing everything himself, and the
2267
01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:41.039
Audissey's coming out. He's really going into these ritual caves
2268
01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:43.199
and he's really like doing this. He's really like the
2269
01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.359
kind of the last practical filmmaker and stuff. So he
2270
01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:50.640
recreated the atomic bomb Trinity explosion. He didn't use a
2271
01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:52.800
real nuke obviously, but like as close as you possibly
2272
01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:56.760
get to that, And there's a famous, like official kind
2273
01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:59.159
of AI depiction, Like there was no behind the scenes shots,
2274
01:52:59.159 --> 01:53:00.760
so it was he didn't reveal how he did this.
2275
01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:04.239
This is like people were trying to get catch glimpses
2276
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:06.039
of the making of this dicta in the process nose
2277
01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:08.279
these one AI images that people were using.
2278
01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:13.039
There was as official as they could possibly get.
2279
01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:15.680
Of the of what he was doing behind the scenes.
2280
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.640
And remember the explosion at the center of it had
2281
01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:21.560
this weird tentacled creature kind of in the middle of
2282
01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:22.359
the explosion.
2283
01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:23.600
You know, remember that?
2284
01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:24.640
Do you remember that?
2285
01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:27.079
Yes? And it's kind of unexplained, like there's no there's
2286
01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:30.239
no tentacled monster in the movie is a historical drama
2287
01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:33.359
and and it's kind of the AI kind of just
2288
01:53:33.439 --> 01:53:38.560
included this tentacled of crafting and weird entity inside the
2289
01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:41.279
depiction of this Trinity explosion kind of, uh, does it
2290
01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:43.239
know something? Does no? Essentially what you just said, does
2291
01:53:43.239 --> 01:53:45.840
it no? Kind of the the reasoning behind all this stuff.
2292
01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:49.159
And you find this in everything the New Alien series
2293
01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:52.640
have got the tentical, strange, tentical monster. It's in like
2294
01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.479
any kind of science fiction horror, any kind of B
2295
01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:02.479
movie to to top Hollywood film. It's everywhare just to.
2296
01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.079
Include amazings as we can possibly get.
2297
01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:06.319
Just we mentioned that Mike, the main character is Strange
2298
01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:09.359
of Things, is one of the main characters of h
2299
01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:11.600
Part one that came out in twenty seventeen, which is
2300
01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:16.079
very similar themes penny Wise season the same same motivation,
2301
01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:19.239
the same ability, the same kind of archetypical character of Vecna.
2302
01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:23.920
But then were these kind of strange casting choices in Connections.
2303
01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.520
The big guest director of season five was Frank Darbaud,
2304
01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:30.359
who came in to be like, I want to come in.
2305
01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:31.439
I love the show, I want to come in and
2306
01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:33.319
direct one. And he's one of the most famous Stephen
2307
01:54:33.359 --> 01:54:36.119
King directors, directing Shaw Shank and The Green Mile and
2308
01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:36.880
all this stuff.
2309
01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:37.520
But he also.
2310
01:54:37.359 --> 01:54:41.000
Famously directed the movie The Mist, which is about the
2311
01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:45.680
government opening portals to and dealing with technical monsters coming
2312
01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:49.359
in and destroying stuff. And then there's a Percy Jackson
2313
01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:52.439
in the Chrissy Jackson's Disney Plus show that had his
2314
01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:56.560
season premiere season two. Our season the finale yesterday. I
2315
01:54:56.680 --> 01:54:58.920
think in the entire through line between the I've only
2316
01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:01.399
watched the first season through line between both seasons that
2317
01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:04.479
Kronos is whispering to these demigods to get them to
2318
01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:07.239
open tarr reforms. Sam the same kept tip of themes.
2319
01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:11.159
And then just Nel Fisher who played Hawley. She also
2320
01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:13.199
was an Evil Dead Rise. That's her only other like
2321
01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:15.560
big role. And it's just the plot of Evil Dead Rise.
2322
01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:18.279
The goal in Evil of the Evil Evil Dead Rise
2323
01:55:18.359 --> 01:55:21.119
is to possess incorrupt individuals, turning him into dead. It's
2324
01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:24.680
evil violent versions of themselves. The Kendarian demon, the Malevlan
2325
01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.800
force behind the Possession aims to spread its darkness in destruction,
2326
01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.600
using vulnerable people as hosts our vessels, which is exactly
2327
01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:34.920
penny Wise and stuff. It's actually it's exactly this comisots
2328
01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:37.279
it from Meriklin time trying to spread It's the mind
2329
01:55:37.359 --> 01:55:39.720
flair and stuff. And the possession is up in German
2330
01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:43.039
by exploiting the host deepest fears, traumas and vulnerabilities. And
2331
01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:46.159
the main character is Ellie, which is another kind of
2332
01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:47.239
L eleven.
2333
01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:49.159
L and what is and what is that too? I
2334
01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:51.560
forgot to mention that l as an e low hymn
2335
01:55:52.199 --> 01:55:56.039
l as in the Hebrew Semitic name of god Angel
2336
01:55:56.439 --> 01:55:58.760
Enoki and Angel Lake Magic, et cetera.
2337
01:55:59.359 --> 01:55:59.720
Exactly.
2338
01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:02.720
Yeah, So that Ellie her daughter is a nel Fisher
2339
01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:07.199
Hawley and it's just like the Maker. And then the
2340
01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:10.159
actress who played Ellie in Evil Did Rise is to
2341
01:56:10.279 --> 01:56:13.000
play as the main character of the missed TV show
2342
01:56:13.479 --> 01:56:15.439
into another thing, which is there's a weird tapestry.
2343
01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:18.039
It's so crazy and stuff.
2344
01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:21.159
But thought, that's I really wanted to include.
2345
01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:24.319
But I've got one. I've got one more for you
2346
01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:30.399
and then we'll say goodbyes. So Vecna is taking people's eyes. Right,
2347
01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:33.159
if you've seen the show, obviously, you know that that's
2348
01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:36.000
one of the main central themes, that the bones are broken,
2349
01:56:36.079 --> 01:56:38.039
the life strained out of the body when he opens
2350
01:56:38.079 --> 01:56:40.359
these gates by killing these kids, and then he takes
2351
01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:45.399
their eyes. And that theme is present in several other
2352
01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:50.079
movies and stories, two of which are Tim Burton films.
2353
01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:54.000
One includes Carline, where the girl goes into the upside
2354
01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:57.880
down type world similar to Pan's Labyrinth. She goes through
2355
01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:01.239
a gate and she interacts with the Bedlam or the
2356
01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:06.119
other Mother, which is this pale faced demon that takes
2357
01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:10.159
the eyes of children and replaces them with buttons. And
2358
01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:13.399
then you have the monsters and Miss Peregrine's Home for
2359
01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:16.399
a Peculiar Children another I think it's another Tim Burton
2360
01:57:17.239 --> 01:57:19.560
and I think it's adapted also from an older film
2361
01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:22.399
in a book too. But the monsters in this that
2362
01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:26.359
are coming after these gifted children who have these special powers.
2363
01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:30.359
The monsters are called hollow gust or hollow Gasta or
2364
01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:35.920
just hollows, and they feed on souls by taking the
2365
01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:39.439
eyes of children, because the eyes are the gateway to
2366
01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:43.119
the soul. Taking the eyes of children and they feed
2367
01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:47.159
on those eyes. And these are again gifted children.
2368
01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:50.760
And Tim Burton or We're on a rider famously into
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Tim Burton movie verses the hands and then.
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Obviously, oh yeah, of course, and then.
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She's the only in Beatle Juice, he is only seen
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by the deceased, like Alec Baldwin and and Geena Davis
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are dead, but the only human, the only living person
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is has been on a writer.
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The child who can see Beatle Juice. She's she's the
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gate she's the connective tissue. She's the conduit between the
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dead and the living. Both sides of the realm and
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stuff that went not a writer again, and.
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Don't forget Linda Linda Hamilton. You mentioned Linda Hamilton.
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Terminator Hi back into It and time travel, time travel. Yeah.
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Oh and then of course, uh I actually I love
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this the Sean Aston's character, the guy that played Sam Wise,
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I played Bob Bob the Brain and of course talk
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about the all sen I and the incredible story that
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Lord of the Rings is Lord of the Rings is
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of course Saturn.
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It's there's too many synchronicities piling up and the tapestry
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is too woven too like tightly woven to be anything
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but but like synchronicity, it's not stranger.
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Thanks, thank you for coming on, Derek, Thank.
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You brother, Thank you for having me. Thank you for
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having me on ground zero too. It's a blessed Yeah.
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Of course, if you haven't listened to the ground zero
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you just heard. Thank you so much, Derek, have a
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good night. Thank you, reial O kay bye bye. Alreadigable
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at yahoo dot com if you want to reach out
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to me, thank you so much for tuning in tonight again.
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I'm Ryan Gable. Derek Murphy our guest tonight Stranger Sinks.
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Hope you enjoyed the show. Stay safe, stay informed, stay healthy.
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I will talk to you on the next broadcast.
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Very good.