Episode 21 - Final Impact

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You have entered the PM Entertainment podcast. Hello, welcome, and yes,
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your ears are not deceiving you.
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We are back baby.
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Yes, it's an all new episode of the PM Entertainment Podcast.
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The show that rarely wears a shirt prefers a leather
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waistcoat or vest. Set's random doe dudes on people when
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they're just trying to get a vending machine. Dr Pepper
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often takes dramatic shame walks through the streets of downtown
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Vegas before finding an empty fight ring where we can
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relive our former losses, fall to our knees and cry
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out like only a truly powerful man who lost everything
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can do and will do just about anything to avoid
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getting repeatedly headbutted in the man parts in front of
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hundreds of people.
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In other words, we love a good neon.
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Drenched Las Vegas set fight film starring Michael Worth, Lorenzo Lamas,
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and Kathleen Kinmunt. You know, like Final Impact. That's right,
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We're back among the world of Rick Peppin cinematography and
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Joseph Mehe direction, the two action icons who would entertain
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you all weekend in the nineties with their relentless and
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phenomenal releases of pure video ecstasy that brings smiles and
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gleeful hand rubbing whenever you put the vhs in the
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player and were confronted with those two blue, beautiful letters
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of PM Entertainment. I'm your host, John Cross, and don't forget.
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seven six six nine zero zero five to three. We
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are waiting to hear from you, okay. As I said earlier,
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we'll be discussing Final Impact from nineteen ninety two, which
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is written and co directed by Steven Smoke, whose only
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IMDb credits are all PM Entertainment films The Lucky Man.
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He also wrote Living to Die, Street Crimes and Magic Kid,
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and directed Street Crimes. He can also be seen in
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Repo Jake as guitar player back in the guest seats.
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This week, it is those two brothers have Beaten them
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up movies. The Kings of Comeuppance Reviews, that long running
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blog and podcast that strives to find the very last
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action film in existence that they haven't reviewed yet. It's
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Brett and ty Barger, gentlemen. Hello, but wonderful to have
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you two guys back on the show. We were just
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talking before we went live that Comeuppance Reviews. Your blog,
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first of all, I mean, it has got to be
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one of the few blogs on blogger, like still going
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right from.
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Back, it's practically angel fire at this point. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
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we're right next to the Space Jam website in terms
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of longevity, I guess, but yeah, it was it around
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fourteen hundred reviews. I mean, you wouldn't think there'd be
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that many action movies that exist, but there are, and
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we've talked about most of them. But as Taya said,
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we're always looking for a new one because we've seen
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so many at this point, which is why our output
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has slowed down. But we're in case people are wondering
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we are still active. It's just we're not posting one
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a week like we used to.
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What maybe our next one, Brad that guy like a
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shirtless guy.
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Yeah, there's a shirtless guy. The cover actually looks a
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lot like the cover of The Final Impact. Let me
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see if I could find the name. I was like, guy,
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don't we all but relentless justice is that?
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Maybe I was relentless justice.
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This justice that we're experiencing is relentless it.
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So it could be that, or it also could be
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a movie called Streets of Darkness, which I think that's
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what it is. So that's the will probably be the
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next two. Yeah, and if you look up the cover
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of Streets of Darkness you'll know what we're talking about.
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Right, But is so relentless Justice is a is a movie?
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You'll also be.
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Yes, yes, no questions. It might take some time, but
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we will eventually get to.
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Experience I love it. Is there any plan? I mean,
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obviously hopefully Google would let you know if they were
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ever going to shut down the blogger program, But is
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there a plan to export these and publish a giant
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coffee table tome of muffins reviews?
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I would love to do that. I would so love
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to do that that you know, as someone who's a
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fan of physical books, I mean, I would love to
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do that. I think there was a time when I
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was actually more seriously thinking about doing that, but then
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this book came out, which ty, you bought a hardcover
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book with a lot of action content in it, and
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it was very similar. Yes, and I don't remember the
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name of that book or who wrote it, but someone
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wrote a similar book, but that actually interviews with like
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Daniel Bernhard and others. So I thought, well, this is
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maybe the timing's not right, but yes, that would be
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the dream.
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Yes, yeah, I would. I would hit up. I don't
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know if you guys know directly, but he knows mos
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so we could always do introductions. But my buddy Tim
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Gross out in Pittsburgh. He's been writing the gross movie
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reviews for years and years and years, and I think
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he used is it lulu dot com something like that
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to make his books where he basically took his blog.
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I don't know if it's on blogger. His might be
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on blogger as well.
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Actually, you guys might be in competition with him actually
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because he's been going years as well. But his blog
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he publishes you know whatever it is, four hundred reviews
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as a big book'll go on and do the next one.
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So he has like multiple, multiple books and they have
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colorful front covers and you know, designs however you want
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but then inside it's just like a self published thing,
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you know.
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Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I think the guys that did
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the Exploding Hut book did that. I have that book.
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I think it's basically self published or Lulu or whatever
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that company is.
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Yeah, yeah, well they did.
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That, and it's all about the Italian action movies. And
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you know, the rating system is out of how many
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Exploding Huts? And I thought that was really cool that
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they did that. So yes, I am somewhat familiar with that.
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So have you guys gone in your blog?
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Have you gone through you know, you just said sort
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of Italian movies there? Have you gone through as well?
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All the kind of like Italian cup movies from the
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seventies that have actually got.
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A bunch of them, like Hairline Busters, And yeah, well
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I wouldn't say we've done all of them, but we
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definitely have delved into them to a degree.
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Yes, Yeah, Because what's the one with like the twelve
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or fifteen minute car chase the shadows in an empty room?
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Say, shadows in an empty Room? It came out on
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vhs as, but it has an Italian blazing magnum, blazing magna.
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I've seen that movie.
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I don't think we know when we reviewed that.
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So what was crazy is so so blazing Magnum is insane.
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It's when the Italians basically was like, well, let's try
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and do you know bullet or something like that, like
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have a ridiculous car chase and sort of outdo bullet.
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Well, what's funny about that is how they marketed it
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as almost like a horror movie, because Italian horror and
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jallos are also very big at the time. So if
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you see the cover, it's strange shadows in an empty
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room with like a horror s cover, So they actually
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marketed cover. They marketed the film as like a horror movie,
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which is kind of interesting and not very apt, but
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that's how they did it In America.
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I mean, I suppose this is like our Gento's Profondo
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Rousso if Argento's Profondo Rosso had a fifteen minute car
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right and Stuart Whitman shooting everybody with an radius.
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Yeah, every movie could use some store Whitman shooting everybody.
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Not private you know.
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Oh yeah, yeah, Well I strongly recommend if you're looking
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for recommendations, that one's a great one. And then there
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was one that Roger Moore and people.
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Yes, where he comes out at the top of the
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car with a Berzuoka, like it's Roger More with a
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Berzuka coming out the top of a tiny little Italian
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car driving through a quarry.
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So yeah, that movie definitely has its moments.
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Ah, that was great.
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Well, I mean those two I'm a big fan of
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and I forget what the Italian word is it for,
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It's something like police.
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Yeah, yeah, okay.
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Whatever movies I'm I'm a big fan of them.
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That there's a I think rare row video a video yes, yeah,
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I mean at the archive.
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Oh yes, yes. And have you seen Live Like a
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Cop Die Like a Man?
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Oh yeah, that's absolutely best title of a movie.
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Yes, I mean yeah, that's one of my favorites in the.
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Certainly better than Relentless Justice.
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Well that remains to be seen. But you know, I
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mean the title, oh, the titles, like that's a.
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Lot of justice. Its never ending, Yeah, a lot of justice.
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It's like it's like extreme honor and you have.
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I have ever seen that one?
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I haven't, but it's honor to the extreme.
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Extreme honor. But but the Matt the director video connoisseur,
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I think it is a big fan of that film, yes,
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oh yeah, or a certain person in the in film.
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But it's not just you know, Michael, it's other people.
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It's this other guy that's.
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Like, yeah, like live like a cop, die like a man.
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Like that's a movie title is relentless Justice just sounds like, well,
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first of all, there's two the the s at the
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end of Relentless and the s sound at the end
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of Justice. It's just too much. It's it's yeah, a
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lot of siblings, right, And it's it's very similar to
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the running joke in thirty Rock that Jenner is going
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to be starring in a film called Rural duror Yeah. Yeah,
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everyone's always says dur and and relentless Justice to me, like,
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it's kind of like a rural dura. And also, relentless
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is not a good thing. It means there's too much
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of it to something that's relentless. It's it's it's too much.
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It's annoying. You know.
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It's a film series, you know, starting with the Judd
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Nelson one and all the other ones, William Lustig film.
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Oh it's not.
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Is it a fake sequel to those?
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Oh no, no, Well maybe it would be amazing, But
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what if.
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They try and crow bar in.
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Oh, yeah, this is really relentless.
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Five. I know Lea Rossi is nowhere near this movie,
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but like, please believe this is relentless.
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Fine because Leo Rossi is the only one who ties.
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Them all together. Right, yeah, yeah, I have the vhs.
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I have all four vhs for the Wompressive.
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That's very tie. Asked you have all the Yeah, I
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have all four also on vhs.
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Isn't Forsyth in part three?
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Yes he is William Forsyth, the old Billy forth will
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direct hit himself.
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Right, yeah, right, talking about PM.
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Entertainment's direct hit star. Well, gentlemen, to have you here today,
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as I said, and best of best luck with the
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ongoing come up and reviews.
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Thank you.
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I recommend everyone please go to the website. It will
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be linked as always in the podcast description, But go
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to that website if you love action movies. I mean,
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I'm sure you guys have reviewed every single PM Entertainment.
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It's very possible. Certainly a heck of a lot of them.
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And we discussed PM quite often on our podcast too,
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because we do have a podcast, because it's six and
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everyone has to have a podcast. Yeah, yeah, but yes, no, Well,
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I mean, I think we've been big PM fans for
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a long long time.
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Oh. Yes.
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In fact, I went back and reread our our Final
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Impact of You today and it's there is a lot
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of things I'd change about it, Like it's a it's
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an older review, and I think we know a lot
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more about these types of movies now, we've had a
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lot of education since.
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Yeah, well sixteen years ago when we wrote it.
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Yeah, long time ago. But some of the observations are
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valid still. But I mean, it's it's one of our
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older reviews. But I'm sure we'll get into the nitty
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gritty Final Impact quite.
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Oh, we're gonna go We're gonna go way into the
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nitty and pretty pretty much into the gritty as well.
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Good, We're not going to ignore the gritty.
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The gritty and the nitty are going to be happening
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right here on this podcast.
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Tonight, Frank Nitty.
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Also, Yes, isn't there a director video movie called Nitty.
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Nitty The Enforcer? Yeah, that's tremendous.
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That is a movie that exists out in the world.
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You got Yeah, you guys are you guys need an
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encyclopedia of everything you've done because I feel like I
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feel like you're the guys to come to that. If
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I'm like, well, i feel like I've watched all the
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action films in the world. You have you watched these thirteen.
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Well, we're happy to give suggestions. And then something I
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always say, and I've been saying this for years is
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there's always another movie. Always there's no way you can
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move them on.
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Well, Scott Ankins makes about eight a year.
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So the exactly Nicolas Cage right.
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Also, by the way, I want to bring that up
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very quickly because Nick Cage said the greatest thing this
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week when being asked about because he's in the New
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Spider Man Noir, that's and so he was obviously they're
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bringing up the MCU because obviously the new Avengers movie
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is going to have seven hundred and eighty three previous
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class members in it. Uh, And they were sort of saying,
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and I don't know how the Spider Verse thing is
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yet another separate studio, because there was Sony had the
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main Spider Man and then the Main Spider Man the
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main Spider Man films that Sony had them, then they
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shared those with the MCU. But now there's an animated
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and now live action spin off Amazon's I don't really
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understand it, but this is how But she was saying
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to him about like, oh, you know you should be
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in the MCU or is this movie part of the
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MCU or something like that. She's like, if you're not
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in the MCU, you should be and he goes, I
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don't need the MCU. I'm Nick Cage. And I just
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was like fuck and yes, gentlemen, your feelings.
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On that statement?
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Love it? Perfect? Perfect response.
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I mean he can end almost any statement like that,
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or he could oh, we're out of broccoli at the
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grocery store. Well, I'm Nick Cage.
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I don't think broccoli.
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I read broccoli. So I mean, no matter what happens
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in your life, if you are you can say I'm
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Nicholas Cage and that just will end.
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She prey ends most conversations.
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Yeah, Ty, that example is kind of perfect.
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The grocery store being out of broccoli is such a
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Nick Cage situation.
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What I can see it having to deal with that.
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Yes, having to process it mentally. How would my character,
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the character of Nick Cage that I put on over
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the top of my true Lizard form, what would this
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character of Nick Cage? How would he react to the
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lack of broccoli and he's just processing it. And then
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he's like, well, he would probably have a wooden hand,
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and he'd probably spill out his tooth and I've got
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to grow my hair long, and he'd be an alcoholic,
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but he'd also be an ex secret agent and.
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So but he's a vegetarian and he needs his broccoli.
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Yeah, he's a vegetarian.
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And he also can go back in time because of
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reasons he can.
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Yeah, he can look like his characters from Bangkok.
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Dangerous, the long greasy hair.
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But with his wooden hand from moonst exactly.
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And the way he speaks from dead Fall.
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Oh yeah, Well, no, I have to say this movie
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that we're going to be covered Final Impact. This was
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the first time watch for me. I had seen to
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be the Best, and we had covered that on the
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show the previous Michael Wirth movie, but I had not
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yet seen Final Impact. I'd also seen the two Cia movies,
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which obviously also star the married pair of Lorenzo Lamas
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and Kathleen Kinmont. I had never seen Final Impact, so
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it was time to do that. And the Hallelujah The
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Wonderful Gentleman over at Focus media in Switzerland have put
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this one out on a beautiful blu ray which when
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she was there middle of last year, Kathleen Kinmont signed
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a bunch that I actually have a signed Kathleen Kinmont
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Final Impact.
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Look that's great, and any response to her like hey,
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I love that.
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No, not yet, but when I when I post the podcast,
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I'll tagger in it because I have interviews with her,
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Mike Worth, and Lorenzo Lamas. So this is going to
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be We haven't had an interview for a couple of episodes,
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so this is going to come back with three massive
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interviews the stars.
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That is something, all right.
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So we have Oily women Wrestling Nightclub kickboxing match, Michael
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Worth and Gary Daniels fight, Michael Worth versus Dowey Accounts
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fight at the Dr Pepper Machine. Michael Worth and Gary
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Daniels fight a second time, Michael Worth versus Fighter and
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match on the way to Vegas. Jeff Langton beats the
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hell out of an unnamed fighter. Michael Worth versus Art
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Camancho fight. Jeff Langton beats the hell out of another
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unnamed fighter, this time clearly breaking his ribs and he
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even lifting his legs up and repeatedly headbutting his crutch
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in one of the most brutal and painful PM sequences
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I can think of. Michael Worth versus unnamed blonde fighter,
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tournament fight montage Michael Worth and Lorenzo Lammas, spa neon
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graveyard fight between Lorenzo Lamas and Jeff Langton, Final fight
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between Michael Worth and Jeff Langton, gratuitous oiling up ladies
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credit sequence, gratuitous nightclub with staff who have face tattoos,
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multiple graduator's flashbacks to Lamas losing fight, gratuitous montage of
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Lama's training worth, gratuitous gambling montage, gratuitous comedy waiter, gratuitous
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Lamas linate night. Shane walked through Vegas, ending in the
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ring with an on his knees. Giant man screen, So, gentlemen,
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tie first or or bratley the one. What was your
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first experience with Final.
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Impact, h ty you go first?
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Well, I mean I remember watching it sixteen great years ago.
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It was pretty enjoyable because it's kind of like half.
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Punch fighting, you know, underground fighting and like, and that's
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how is how Gary Jane one of the first game
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yells I've ever seen he's hanging around the beginning right.
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Yes he is. Well, I don't mean to, but same experience.
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I mean, the first time I saw it was back
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then was that sixteen years ago, watching it for the website,
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and I guess trying to watch any PM movie we
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could possibly get our hands on, and to refresh myself
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for this podcast, I watched the very same VHS which
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I'm not on video right now but I'm holding right here,
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and on the front cover of I don't know if
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this because they ported this over to the to the
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Blu ray, but it's there's a quote, there's four stars
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and it says kickboxing action with heart and soul. It says,
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says Minnie Madden from Hollywood Alert. Now, let me just
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ask you, guys, what are the odds that that's a
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real person and a real publication.
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I'll say yes, yes.
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No, I think it was. It was probably a name
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of a publication that Roger Corman made up many years earlier,
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and then they're homaging it by having it on the
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front of there.
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It could be, but they kind of telegraphs where they
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were going with this. This is this is very PM
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in the sense that I think either they created or
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were riding the wave of kickfighting, slash punch fighting slash.
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I said this in the review slash, arm fighting slash
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leg fighting movies. But but not just a bunch of
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mindless punching, but trying to put a good plot with
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good acting in it.
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So was.
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There any other movie, Brett in that list of body
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parts that included a fighter who picked the opposition up
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by his legs and then violently headbutted his crotch multiple times?
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Does that only happen in this movie?
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Pre seems like, yeah you could. Yeah, I think there
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might be a first. But see, that's why you always
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have to watch another PM movie because they're they're always
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bringing something new to the table. And that's and they're
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always throwing something at you.
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And they were always like, what if this guy who's
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meant to be a professional athlete, what if he grabs
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him by the legs by the way the referee.
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And the two managers have just they've walked away. Everyone
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has just walked away. They've thrown in the town, they've
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walked away, and this guy is just relentlessly he's dispensing,
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relentless into his crutch.
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Yeah he is. Well, another good thing about this movie.
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I don't I don't know what order you want to
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do this in.
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No, No, we'll jump back. I know I just wanted to.
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I just wanted to bring up the crutch butting.
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Okay, yeah, well I can tell you were just chopping
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at the bit to do that.
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But I know I had to wep that right, and
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I didn't want to forget the never forgot it.
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I never forgot it.
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But it's another thing.
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I mean, there's a lot of good things about this movie,
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a lot of good things. And one of the things
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I like is, and this is true for a lot
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of PM movies and a lot of B movies in general,
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horror and otherwise, the side characters. Like there's a lot
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of really good side characters. And one of my favorites
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is the bad guy Gerard I believe that's his name. Played, Yes,
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his coach. He's like the cigar chomping guy. I loved him, brilliant,
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he was great. He almost stole the movie in his scenes.
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I just I just loved him.
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I don't know who that was.
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Was that Glenn t Rebago.
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I don't know either, corner man, but.
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I don't know if he's considered a corner man or.
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I mean he almost looks like very real to me,
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like he could have been a real corner man.
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Yeah, no, definitely, he's phenomenal coach with the little red
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baseball cap and a cigar, and he's just like, I'll
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leave him to it, let him, let him, let him ahead.
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But that guy's crutch.
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Yeah, just his whole auer was just so great. And
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I mean, obviously, you know, we're living in a post
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Paulie from Rocky World. Yes, so I feel like his
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character is kind of Polly asked, but I feel like
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Poulli had like no conscience, right.
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And this is this is very much PM Entertainment's Rocky to.
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Summer and also with a lot of Karate Kid Oh.
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No, no, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, throw in handfuls
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of other you know, underdog martial arts and or boxing movies.
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But yeah, it's it's that's that's one of the things
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that massively indeared me to it. And in fact, right
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off the bat, I did a little video last night,
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but right off the bat while I was watching the
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first five to ten minutes of the movie, all of
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which again's a fantastic opening. I mean, it's just a
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it's a classic early PM, like opening ten minutes, it
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just nails it. But I was watching and I was like,
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I wanted the movie to be something right, I wanted
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it to be like but what I hadn't counted on
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was it being this movie. And I was so happy,
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Like that lifted me. Meaning what I mean by that
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is I could never have expected like just how great
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this film was going to be, and just how gloriously
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melodramatic and telling novella style this movie was going to
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be while having legitimate, great fight scenes a phenomenal score.
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It was awesome, absolutely, And I even wrote down in
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my notes drama like there's they really went for the
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drama on this. Yeah. And there was especially powerful scene
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which I thought was one of Kalamas's best acting moments
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where he's sort of like in the ring by himself
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and he's like on his hands and knees and it's
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almost like a religious epiphany type of moment. And I thought,
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you know, Lamis is doing it, you know he's really
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going for it. I thought, you know, it wasn't just
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him shirtlessly with a vest walking around, I mean, which
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he does, Yeah, flawless, flawless vest and no shirt wearing.
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Oh I don't.
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I don't think Lamas puts on a shirt.
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In fact, I'll tell you this, I do not think
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Lamas is wearing a shirt until well, unless you count
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the he wears a tank when they go to see
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Jake Gerard fight so that Michael Worth can like figure
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out how he's going to beat him. Lamas is wearing
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a tank, but that's still not a full shirt. Full
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shirt I think he wears is the bit you're talking
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about where he goes on his late night Vegas pity
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walk around around the beautiful lights of Vegas. But with
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this yeahs through.
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00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.680
Well, I just you know, I mean, where can I begin?
487
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.440
I started off talking about the see that's the other thing.
488
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.240
If I can just interrupt myself here. Yes, there are
489
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.279
plenty of dramatic moments, but also there are some funny moments.
490
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.960
It's really all encompassing. Like because the other side character
491
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.640
I want to mention was the wacky waiter.
492
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.039
Oh yeah, no, we should get to him, but I
493
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:24.200
think we should build to him.
494
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.720
Okay, fair enough, because you know, you know, because a
495
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:29.960
lot of movies have a wacky taxi driver, this movie
496
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.519
has a wacky waiter. And but to counterbalance the wacky Waiter.
497
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.279
There was a dramatic.
498
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:37.720
Moment by Robert Beale by the.
499
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.200
Way, Wow, good, good Robert.
500
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:44.599
Robert Beale who plays Michael the choreographer in Sunset Strip,
501
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:49.680
also a PM Entertainment movie, but plays nosy neighbor, although
502
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.519
uncredited in the movie Texas Payback.
503
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:54.599
I've sn that that.
504
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:59.920
Yeah, Sam Jones, Hexa SA Payback. That's a size justice.
505
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.880
Yeah, but no, he goes all the way back to
506
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:11.039
City Lights Days. Having also been Frank Cohen in Contra Conspiracy.
507
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:11.640
You've seen that.
508
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.920
I think you have seen that. Yes, Emperor of the Bronx.
509
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:18.160
Yeah, well that's.
510
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:20.960
What Robert Beale isn't No, but they did make that movie.
511
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.559
Yes, Yeah, but I mean just all right, just trying
512
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.039
to stay organized here. So, like like you were saying, John,
513
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:31.359
the opening moments are really good because.
514
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:40.839
There's title sequence first of all, sexy oiling up women's buttets.
515
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.519
Because that it's not really indicative of what we're going
516
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.759
to see. I mean, this movie is not about female
517
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.240
fighters at all. I think it draws your eye because
518
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.759
they probably figured most of the people watching this movie
519
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.319
are probably men. So you know, that hooks you in
520
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.440
and then you know Michael Worth goes to this Onunderground
521
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.680
Club you know where.
522
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.160
But I think we should talk more about the oily buttocks.
523
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.400
I think, whatever you want, your show man, I think
524
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.599
we should focus more on the oily buttocks. Tyler talk
525
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:13.240
us through.
526
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:19.319
The that's the movie. Forget we got the we have
527
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.920
the shirt. Listen, I got the drama, got the drama.
528
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.519
Forget the pretty dark stuff that goes on later.
529
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:30.359
That was it.
530
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.200
But yeah, but so yeah, when you guys watch this,
531
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.359
so from the credit sequence beginning. First of all, love
532
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.119
a good credit sequence. I forget what movie I was
533
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.400
watching recently, because you know, we don't have credit sequences anymore.
534
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.359
In fact, sometimes you don't even get the fucking title
535
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:48.079
of the movie till.
536
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.839
Like the movie that's right, It just starts right in yeah.
537
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.720
Which is just the weirdest thing where you watch your
538
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.880
movie and then it goes bump bump and gives you
539
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.519
the title of the movie. You're like, no, that doesn't work,
540
00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.720
but no, I may have some good credit sequence. And
541
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.880
then was a modern movie that did a credit sequence
542
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.799
the other day, and I was like, that is a delight.
543
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.680
But when I put this one in and saw that
544
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.359
there was a credit sequence. I'm like, brilliant. Not only that,
545
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.160
but did you get the idea from this movie, especially
546
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.000
the way Rick Pepin is shooting it, because it's utterly gorgeous.
547
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.200
The film is utterly gorgeous from stuff.
548
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.160
Totally agree, because it's moody most of the time. There's
549
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.200
a lot, a lot of darkness. Yeah, and I enjoyed
550
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.480
that as well. I know it's not I mean that's
551
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.519
over lit. It's almost like film noir ash lighting a
552
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:34.119
lot of the time.
553
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:35.359
Oh yeah, completely.
554
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.720
And I don't know if you guys are going to
555
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.759
go down the road of importing the Blu rays or
556
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.799
whether I think Cloudio who works for Focus Media and
557
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.440
I think is Focus Media basically the main guy there,
558
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:51.160
Claudio Oric I think he was saying recently that the
559
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.599
upgraded Prince because he's been doing ten ADP transfers from
560
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.319
a from actual film Prince, so this is this is
561
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.119
a great uh upgrade from the VHS when you watch
562
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.880
these Blu rays. He was saying that he thinks film
563
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.400
Rise is going to upload these to replace the ones
564
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.880
on two B with the high death versions.
565
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.359
I think that's what film Rise are going to do.
566
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.839
If not, if you are thinking of well maybe and
567
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.079
the audience as well. Well, I don't want to spend
568
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.319
all the money importing all the Blu rays if you know,
569
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:28.880
I don't know what the prints are, like, I don't
570
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.559
know what it is, blah blah blah blah blah. If
571
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:35.000
you're hesitating at all, I will one thousand percent guarantee
572
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:40.200
that final impact looks the business on Blu Ray because
573
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:45.559
Rick Peppin's cinematography is popping all over the place. And
574
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.240
then when you've got even the opening credit sequence where
575
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.839
you've got like very close up shots of thighs and
576
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:56.720
crevices and buzzoms and everything else, even in that the
577
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.000
detail and everything and you can see like the poor
578
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.960
of the skin and all that kind of.
579
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.039
Stuff, Like it's really, it's really really beautiful.
580
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.240
So if you were thinking of giving importing the Blu
581
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.319
ray a go and was it worth it, this one,
582
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:14.599
for definite, I would say is worth it of all
583
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:15.480
the Blue rays they've done.
584
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.640
And that's another thing that people maybe don't know or
585
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:22.279
understand about PM. It's it's like they took the time,
586
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.720
you know, you were saying how beautifully it's done and
587
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.039
how much they really care, and this isn't just a throwaway,
588
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.279
punch you in the face movie. This you could tell
589
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.839
it was done with care. You could tell they were
590
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:35.119
really serious.
591
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:35.720
You know.
592
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.200
It's it's you know, so many like disposable movies come
593
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.119
and go, like a lot of things you might see
594
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.240
on two be or what have you. They're really making
595
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:44.119
a movie here, you know.
596
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:45.440
Yes, it's not.
597
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.400
It's like it's very well done and thought out.
598
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.000
Yeah, I think you could put this on if I
599
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.319
don't know, if you were going to do a screening
600
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:02.279
of sort of nineties action films or eighties whatever, you
601
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.599
could play this alongside you know, blood Sport or you know,
602
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.799
any of the other.
603
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.519
Whatever, any of the movies of the day. You could
604
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:13.640
play this against them.
605
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.240
And I don't think anyone would know that one was
606
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.880
a million dollar movie and one was one hundred down.
607
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.759
And a lot of that is down to you know, he's.
608
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.880
Absolutely here the way he shoots this, and I was
609
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.359
so the first thing. I'm really glad you noticed that, guys,
610
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.960
because I wanted to say that this movie felt like
611
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.440
and I don't know whether it was the combination of wow,
612
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.240
well we've got Lorenzo Lamas and he's up and coming
613
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.000
and he's on Falcon Crest and had been in the
614
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.519
Snakey of Films and some other things. So I think
615
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.240
they were potentially thinking, I don't know, if we gloss
616
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.279
up our movie with Lamas, maybe this is going to
617
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.960
take us because they were always trying right like what
618
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.759
takes us to the next level? And I think with
619
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.960
I think from the very opening what we are getting
620
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.279
here in this nightclub sequence that we can talk about.
621
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.279
What we're getting here is.
622
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.639
We're getting the time taken with the cinematography. So they've
623
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.480
lit it properly, and Ken Blakey is actually the gaffer
624
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.760
on this. Ken Blakey would go on to be a
625
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.840
cinematographer in his own right. So you've got Blakie and
626
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.639
Peppin working on this. So they've lit it really well.
627
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:26.679
They're shooting it really beautifully, but they're utilizing the cheapest
628
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.719
of set dressings but in the best possible way. So
629
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.880
when you have that like long shot of Lambas at
630
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:37.000
the bar with the like deep blurred, rich background, they've
631
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.880
all they've done is put like a bamboo plant, like,
632
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.039
you know, so that there's some shadow against the wall
633
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.920
and put him sat at a bar. But you buy
634
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.239
it instantly they don't need to do anything more than that.
635
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.519
When you shoot something well, light something well, and score
636
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.800
something well, you know, a pop plant does a lot
637
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:54.719
of work, do you know what I mean?
638
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.000
Well, that's true. And to be fair, it's supposed to
639
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.679
be like a chintzy, cheesy club, you know what I mean? No, no, no,
640
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.800
So it's not like it's supposed to be something else.
641
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.920
That's what it's supposed to be, because you know Lamas's
642
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.320
character is, you know, he's hit the skids. You know,
643
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.199
he's down and out, he's drinking a lot of he
644
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:12.599
loves his home a cuervo.
645
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.880
As we see, he used to be the champion of
646
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.440
the fucking world exactly.
647
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.360
And there's all these Nick Nick Taylor, who sounds like
648
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:22.519
you should be in Duran Duran.
649
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.480
But right, yeah, none of the names are very good
650
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.000
in this. Like the writer is a really good right
651
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.719
to Steven Smoke. I think he wrote a really great script,
652
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.840
but he did. But Nick Taylor, Maggie, Danny Davis.
653
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.119
Yeah, and there's no like names that really pop out.
654
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.960
I didn't I didn't mean to say I forgot their names.
655
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.159
Yeah, but at one point in the movie, doesn't they
656
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.119
be like and the name that's on everybody's lips today
657
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.360
is and then it's like Danny whatever, You're like, that's
658
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:52.960
not a name.
659
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.039
I can't Yeah.
660
00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:01.360
Yeah, every time they said, all right, right, you're Davis, right.
661
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.079
Danny Davis, I'm not that because it's boring.
662
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.679
I'm surprised they didn't even have a line of dialogue
663
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.559
about that whore.
664
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:16.920
He should be called like Jazz Cummings or something, or
665
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.920
like Smack Dank or something.
666
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.840
You know, at least the bad guy should have been
667
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:27.559
called that. But but in that scene we're first introduced
668
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.079
to Gary Daniels, who obviously we know we.
669
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.519
I just want to sorry, Brett, no, we'll jump very
670
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.719
quickly though. Another thing with the economy of set dressing.
671
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.719
But shut the scene where the first lambus Worth scene is.
672
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:49.039
It is absolutely fantastic. It is word perfect. The acting
673
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.679
is absolutely tremendous. And again what they've done is they've gone,
674
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.280
we'll give him a chancey desk. We'll put some glass
675
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.880
tiles behind him, and we'll the glass tiles, you know,
676
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:08.599
amazing fabulous pink right, will shoot everything in the longest
677
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.880
possible lens imaginable, and we'll have him swiveling his grease
678
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:18.559
backed hair around in a chair and talking to Worth
679
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.079
every line. I'm sorry if Tarantino word for word put
680
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.239
that in a movie and even ironically cast Lorenzo Lamas
681
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.719
now in it. Right, if you like, think of the
682
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.360
scene in Kill Bill two when Michael Madsen goes in
683
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.840
and gets like dressed down by his boss. Right, you
684
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.519
could put this scene between Lammers and Worth in any
685
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.760
Tarantino movie and critics everywhere would be exploding with orgasms
686
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.000
over his incredible dialogue.
687
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.559
Yeah.
688
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.639
Yeah, And that's another great thing about B movies and
689
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.559
the B movies that Tarantino is so influenced by that
690
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:03.199
maybe little bit, but yeah, critics will laud Tuarantine on
691
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.400
to the heavens, but they probably have never seen final impact.
692
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.079
So right, you know, it's once again the B movies
693
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.000
get the short end of the stick, even though there's
694
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.119
so much end part in the pun Worth to them.
695
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.360
Oh completely. I mean the scene and this was the
696
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.840
scene where I was like, oh, it's this movie. Oh
697
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.719
I'm going to enjoy this way more than like because
698
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.880
I'm not a big tournament film guy, right, so I
699
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.159
don't mind watching them, and it's fine, And I've watched
700
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:33.760
a lot of them. But I thought this was going
701
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.519
to be like heavy on the tournament, right. I didn't
702
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.239
really look into what this was before I put it in.
703
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.000
So once I realized it was, oh, over the hill,
704
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.760
like guy who wants to reclaim his glory days and
705
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:51.239
and like young buck upstar, you know, enter this incredibly
706
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:56.840
fast and seemingly not very well organized champion, world champion thing.
707
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.000
I was like, Oh, and then he's got some drama
708
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.159
with his girlfriend and this is happening.
709
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.840
Oh, I'm I'm here for this. This is wonderful.
710
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:11.360
And he wearing your shirt for the first.
711
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.440
Yeah, yeah, I agree. So if you didn't want a
712
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.400
tournament movie, you probably were very pleased at the final
713
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:16.920
fight because you know it's going to come down to
714
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:22.760
Danny Davis and Gerard right it is. Yeah, it's like
715
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.480
it's it's not a fight that goes on and on
716
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.599
and on and on like it might today. It's you're
717
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.360
in and out. It's like a super fast, final climactic fight.
718
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:31.719
And well because.
719
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.159
All you're waiting for is for him to notice that
720
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:38.639
she's there, because she says earlier in the movie, the
721
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.039
only fight Lamba sever lost was the fight I didn't
722
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.599
show up for. Right, and so he got me my
723
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.760
lucky chair for your fight. And then something happens and
724
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.960
we'll get to that in a minute, but something happens
725
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.679
that makes her go, I don't want this fight to
726
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.159
happen at all. And he's like, I'm fighting. I'm fighting,
727
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.519
and I'm killing, and I'm fighting and I'm doing it.
728
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.480
I'm angry, I'm pissed, I'm fighting, right, And she doesn't
729
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.239
show up, and so like for the first bit of
730
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.719
the fight, he's looking over at the chairs empty, and
731
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.920
therefore he's losing. Therefore he's letting his face be pummeled
732
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.239
and blah blah blah, blah blah. And then she comes
733
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.920
and sits down, and as if magic happens, he just
734
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.360
stops winning, winning with the winning, and then he wins,
735
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.280
and then you know, you assume they go home, and
736
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.679
she goes, well, I know that my husband gave his
737
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.159
life for all this bollocks, But do you want to
738
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:33.320
come home with me anyway?
739
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.239
Yeah, or as we call it, and come up and
740
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.760
finding the power. You find the power, You find the power.
741
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.760
And also to that point, which is a good one,
742
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.119
which is she wasn't there at the fight in the
743
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.840
young graveyard and we saw what happened to Nick.
744
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:49.239
Mister Taylor.
745
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.639
But I don't want to. I don't want to necessarily
746
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.480
like I want to build that a little bit.
747
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.400
I understand to say about that too.
748
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.199
Yeah, but no, So we were at the Yeah, so
749
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:04.320
we get this great scene in the pink room. Lama says, Hey,
750
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.440
let's see if you fight as well as you talk
751
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:06.920
or whatever.
752
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:08.519
I think.
753
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.920
Uh, and so you're like, great, this is PM.
754
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.039
We've had. First of all, we've established our stars with
755
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.239
a absolute killer opening scene. We've had oil wrestling, and
756
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.960
now we're going to get our first fight with Michael Worth.
757
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.599
Like, we're not stopping for anything. This is PM.
758
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.440
There are high kicks to be done and ponytails to
759
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.800
be waved about. Ty, why don't you talk us through
760
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.440
this first fight between Worth and Daniels.
761
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.639
I was very happy to see this fight. Hey, look
762
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:42.559
is Gary Daniels, And look like Gary Daniels is winning.
763
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.320
Clearly he would would be worth no problem.
764
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:49.840
Wow, movie.
765
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:51.920
We did kind of see that in a later scene.
766
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.480
There is a bit of a fake out, as.
767
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.880
We say exactly, but yeah, I was. I was really enjoyable.
768
00:41:57.960 --> 00:41:59.920
It's like, hey, I like when you when Gary did
769
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.519
those jobs buying his earlier PM movies like Ring a Fire.
770
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.639
Yeah, it's like, so it was really fun to see
771
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:09.679
him pop up. This is the fun we watch. I
772
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:10.320
have to say.
773
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.880
Yeah. Well, in the in the interview with with Daniels
774
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.719
on the on the Blu ray, he does say, and
775
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.159
it's not a long interview about this particular movie. He's
776
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.880
on other Blu rays, but about this particular movie, but
777
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.440
he did say that, you know, he was always not
778
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.360
hanging around PM, but like PM was one of his
779
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.679
main places to kind of go and see if they
780
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.480
needed anybody, and.
781
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.079
He was you know, they had.
782
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.239
Every intention of making him like the leading man they
783
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.800
ended up making him. But while they were shooting all
784
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.039
these other movies and had all these other scripts coming in,
785
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.239
they were like, do you want to show up and
786
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:49.559
be a hood in this one? Do you want to
787
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:49.920
show up?
788
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.639
You can kind of tell when you watch it that's
789
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.280
what it seems like is happening. It's like, oh, yeah,
790
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:58.239
we could use you for a few minutes, a couple
791
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.599
of scenes, you know, And he worked his way up.
792
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.000
But yeah, like Neck and Neck and cameos in these
793
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.000
early fight films.
794
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.000
But when we first see him. He's doing a very
795
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.039
impressive physical feat, you know, with a split on the rope,
796
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:18.159
which of course will put anyone in mind of Van Dam.
797
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:20.800
He is PM Entertainment's Van Dam.
798
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.880
Yeah. Well that's pretty much my point that you know,
799
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.199
may maybe they couldn't get Vandam, but they got Daniels
800
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:31.960
gonna do the same physical things, and it was exactly so.
801
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.599
You know, again, it's another example of B movies doing similar,
802
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.159
if not better things than mainstream Hollywood.
803
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.760
And there's nothing, by the way, sensible about uh carrying accent.
804
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:49.159
Oh, I wouldn't know. I'll take your word for that.
805
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.519
His valve, his vowel sounds all over the place. It's
806
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:53.000
very odd.
807
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.800
Well but yeah, so you know, we see the fight
808
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.480
and then you think, oh, yeah, Danny Davis or whatever
809
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:03.159
his name is, that you know, it cleans his clock
810
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.519
and it was so easy. But then we in a
811
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.679
later scene we get a reversal to show that what
812
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:10.960
it was all a show.
813
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:16.559
Yeah, But what's so weird about that is that at
814
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.880
the end of the fight, Michael Worth like calls to
815
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.639
Lamas out in the bar and basically says, you know,
816
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.920
I'm invincible, I'm invincible or whatever. Right, to which Lamas
817
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.000
then gets super mad right about that right, tells Kathleen
818
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.519
Kinmont to go home. I mean, look, if you're so
819
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:41.280
angry that some young little upstart shouted I'm invincible, you're
820
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.719
gonna turn your back on Kinmont. I mean, Lambis, I
821
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.679
understand you were married to her and therefore you could
822
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.800
see her any time. But I'm sorry, there's no way
823
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.000
anybody is turning their back on kim Mont. But Lambis
824
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.679
does in this movie, so fair enough. He gets all
825
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.920
mad about it. He sends a couple of dowe accountant
826
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.320
looking guys to beat him up by the ice machine
827
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:03.159
at his motel.
828
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.079
Yeah, doctor Pepper, well yeah, I mean you could almost
829
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.480
argue that if he didn't yell out I'm invincible, this
830
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.840
whole movie never would have happened. That would have happened,
831
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.920
because you know, that really hacked off Nick Taylor. It's like,
832
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:15.880
wait a minute, this kid's not invincible, and I'm going
833
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.079
to spend ninety minutes showing him that.
834
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.079
I'm gonna put I'm going to put my cowboy hat
835
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.719
on and go all the way down to the motel.
836
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.599
I'm not gonna put a shirt on mine.
837
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.960
A shirt would be time for that, No time for shirt.
838
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.400
But I am going to go find my enormous black
839
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.960
pimp cowboy hat and I'm going to go down.
840
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.719
To the motel where Michael Worth is just trying to
841
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:36.199
get ice.
842
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.519
I'm gonna set two Doe accountants on his ass and
843
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.800
then I'm going to say to him, nobody's invincible.
844
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:44.800
Like what really women to be?
845
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.320
Women to think you're like the king of kings and
846
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.039
you're so petty that you sent two guys to beat
847
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:52.800
up some young guy from Ohio.
848
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.639
Well, it might be the funniest scene of the movie
849
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:57.119
because we're.
850
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.559
Yeah, that would Idea enjoyed that as well. And I
851
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.000
thought that was I mean, no offense.
852
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.000
I'm a dooughe person, but yeah, we all are.
853
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:06.119
You wouldn't want me to.
854
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.800
Well, I guess. But again, that could have been done
855
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.159
on purpose because Nick Taylor wants to prove a point,
856
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.559
basically saying, Hey, if these Dowe guys can get the
857
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.199
better of you, maybe you're not so.
858
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:19.280
Invincible, right.
859
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.480
But but yeah, Also I did find it funny that
860
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:29.599
a couple of times Michael Worth calls Nick Taylor old man. Yeah,
861
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.599
it's like Lindall is probably in his thirties. I'm guessing,
862
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.679
but it's like, oh, yeah, you're an old man.
863
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.400
Yeah, it looks like, you know, it looks like he's
864
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:42.199
twenty eight or something, and.
865
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.559
Yeah he looks. I mean, he's probably younger than all
866
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:48.320
of us are right now, and definitely sure. And I
867
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:49.639
just I just thought that was funny.
868
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.719
Well he's hit ahead oil and half.
869
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.840
Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, that's his height. Like with
870
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.239
the oil tanning lotion in his hair, he's probably six
871
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:02.800
feet but if you take all that away, he's probably
872
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:03.719
like five three.
873
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.079
Yeah, very short man.
874
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:05.960
Actually it's his.
875
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.880
First movie with PM, which is why I think it
876
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:10.960
feels a little bit like PM rolled out the red
877
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.320
carpet for him a little bit, just in terms of
878
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.000
how good the movie looks.
879
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.360
And everything, and the fact that he had some dramatic
880
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.880
meat to work with, and the fact that he's front
881
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.000
and center on all the artwork. I mean, this is bam.
882
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:24.440
Lorenzo Lamas is like.
883
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:27.559
Mself. You know.
884
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.559
Also, Also what I love about it is they've gone
885
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.239
They've gone Lorenzo Lamas shirtless, oiled up, and you would think, oh,
886
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.440
you've just done that for the front cover, but no,
887
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:41.519
I mean, talk about truth and advertising.
888
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.000
If you get anything in this movie, you.
889
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:49.039
Get oiled up shirtless, Lorenzo Lamas that is that is
890
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:53.039
a PM entertainment guarantee. They're not titillating you with that
891
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.440
front cover. They're flat out telling you you are getting
892
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:57.360
oiled up shirtless.
893
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:03.159
Lasts another reason to love PM. You know, they tell truth. Yeah,
894
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:04.519
isn't that a britishism?
895
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.159
Yes, they do exactly what it says on the tin.
896
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.400
Yes, But yeah, I'm talking about Kathleen Kimma. I mean, obviously,
897
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.880
I mean they were in a relationship, but she it
898
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.039
was nice to have her here anyway, like they didn't
899
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.280
have to be together. And I would just say she
900
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.400
brightens up the whole movie. You know, anything she's in,
901
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.800
it's almost like a ray of sunshine in that kind
902
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.159
of dark, shadowy world. Like even her wardrobe is very colorful.
903
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.920
The bathing suits, the swimming costumes are like they're insane.
904
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:36.239
They're like they look like stained glass windows if it
905
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.599
was made in nineteen eighty six by Sidney Lauker.
906
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.440
But it's funny because yeah, and so I just appreciated
907
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.800
her presence. And she also puts in a really good
908
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.320
acting performance, you know, especially in the more emotional scenes.
909
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:51.280
Later on, she.
910
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.719
Does although isn't it funny? Like they're all great in it?
911
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.719
This is not a no, None of this is necessarily
912
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.039
a negative. But it's funny because and I've heard other
913
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:04.719
actors say this. I've I've heard other directors say that,
914
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:09.400
I've heard other actors say it that real life couples
915
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.039
often don't have the chemistry you think they would have
916
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.920
on the screen, Like they don't have that intense moll
917
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:20.840
like sometimes the actors who have the best chemistry can't
918
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.800
fucking stand each other in real life, but on screen
919
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.840
it reads as sort of you know, fiery passion or whatever.
920
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.960
Whereas I felt like, well, kim On is doing great,
921
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.679
and she has some cheese ball lines to sell, and
922
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.400
she actually sells them real well, and she's ball in
923
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.280
a bad way. I just mean she's balling a like
924
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.239
melodrama telling novella one liner, Like every line in this
925
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.360
movie is like a one liner, you know what I mean.
926
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.719
Well, yeah, but that's typical for the action genre. I mean, that's.
927
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:52.280
Something quick to say.
928
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.800
Yeah, So I noticed they're they're a couple. You know,
929
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:58.239
they don't have kids, they're a childless couple. So I
930
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:02.880
think when when Danny Davis comes into their life, they
931
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.000
almost see him as like a surrogate son and they
932
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.320
and they both kind of care for him, and and
933
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.760
almost like she's like a mamager in a sense. She
934
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.599
really guides him.
935
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.079
Apparently until after she's had a couple of drinks sorry
936
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.719
for herself. No shit gets real porn hub real quick,
937
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:23.920
it can.
938
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.760
But again, you know, you know if anyone who's had
939
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.719
a long Island iced tea or two like she does
940
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.760
in the movie, you know, those go right to your head.
941
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.800
But what I think is funny, Brett, is that, you know,
942
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.400
I'm a big fan of Kids in the Hall, and
943
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:42.760
they always do those uh those insane either alcoholic or
944
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:48.000
irascible or disagreeable parents like especially dads are always portrayed
945
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.960
pretty badly in Kids in the Hall. Well, what's funny
946
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:56.639
is is how the movie plays out with Kinmont and Lamas,
947
00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:00.679
is that almost every scene descends into some sort of
948
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:05.199
incredibly serious, emotional but you do it to yourself nicky
949
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:06.960
kind of scenes, you know what I mean.
950
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:07.760
Yeah, And.
951
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.360
What I think about that is I always think like
952
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.400
as it goes on, you know, they get drunk. Glamos
953
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:18.519
of a sleepture the prostitute. Yeah, like it's like mommy
954
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.320
and Daddy went off the rails.
955
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.519
Yeah, we is gonna ask you guys, maybe I missed
956
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:25.039
this or maybe he said it, but like, you know,
957
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.400
how she leaves basically leaves him after that prostitute incident,
958
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:33.039
and then she comes back. How did she because of
959
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.960
the Neo Graveyard fight? How did she know that he
960
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.239
was in that fight? Did he say I'm going to
961
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:39.719
go do it?
962
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.599
Or like how she finds she finds Michael work.
963
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.000
But okay, I thought, and he tells her, well, she's
964
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.159
saying that he's playing at the Neon Graveyard tonight, okay,
965
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.159
because I just I wasn't sure how she knew he.
966
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.400
Knew, didn't She bumps. She bumps into someone who tells.
967
00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.840
Her, Oh, okay, all right, did she go down to
968
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:00.679
the like.
969
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.800
The fight room or down to like I think she
970
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.760
goes down to the dressing room or the fight room
971
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:08.280
or something.
972
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.239
And I don't remember that. I mean, it's not important,
973
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.280
but I just I was wondering if you guys remembered,
974
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.800
because you know, she comes back and you know, she's
975
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.800
worried and everything, and it's like, wait, you left, but
976
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.639
now you're back because you knew. I just that one
977
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:22.280
little part.
978
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:23.199
I just know.
979
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:28.800
Well, Brett, you have to remember she's always loved him
980
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.320
and will always love him.
981
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.159
Yeah, so she.
982
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:34.599
Will always love him.
983
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:39.400
That goes without saying, no matter if he treats her
984
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:43.000
really badly often this like doesn't listen to her advice,
985
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:47.280
walks out on her multiple times, fights again, even after
986
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.440
she's begged him not to h dies on her, almost
987
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.679
sleeps from the prostitute. Like that's before he almost dies
988
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.920
or actually dies. Yeah, it's mad that. Yes, they have
989
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.800
this great love affair, but at the same time, you
990
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.920
know he's a he's an idiot, and then he realizes
991
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:11.840
he only realizes his massive litany of mistakes on his
992
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.320
deathbed like a coward.
993
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.519
Yeah no, I mean Nick Taylor definitely has some flaws
994
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.880
as a person. It is kind of hard to see
995
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:21.280
what she sees in him a lot of the time.
996
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.960
Well, I think it's I think it's the lack of shirt. Well, yeah, that.
997
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.039
Has what else could it be? I mean, women can't
998
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:29.559
resist it, they just they're helpless.
999
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:31.320
It's his lack of shirts.
1000
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.920
Was like, I don't want any men with any shirts.
1001
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:36.559
Just take up time and space.
1002
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.960
That's true. If he was just shirtless, I'm not sure
1003
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:41.360
that would work. By the shirt with the vest irresistible.
1004
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.440
I'm done, ye shirt.
1005
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.320
What I loved, guys, is that we start the movie
1006
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:51.639
he's in the leather vest, which I feel like shirtless
1007
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.159
in a leather vest is something of a Lamas.
1008
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:57.679
Like kind of very renegade of him.
1009
00:53:58.199 --> 00:53:58.360
Right.
1010
00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:59.920
Doesn't he do that a lot in the show?
1011
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:00.400
Yeah?
1012
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:04.599
Yeah, And I feel like there are lots of like
1013
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.559
Lorenzo Lamas covers that have him shirtless in a vest.
1014
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:08.239
I don't know why.
1015
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.320
Shirtless in the vest just screams Lamist to me, but
1016
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:12.719
I mean there it is.
1017
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:19.800
Yeah, he's the pioneer of it, often duplicated, never imitation.
1018
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.320
And that's the other thing I have to say, Like,
1019
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.679
you know, I've seen some Lamis films, but I've not
1020
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.599
seen enough of them for me to really know him well.
1021
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.199
And I really appreciated him in this movie. He is
1022
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.880
He is absolutely you know, lamising it to the max
1023
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.960
zone and I'm loving every minute of it.
1024
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.159
Yeah, it is Lamas to the max, you know. And
1025
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.800
like I said, he does get a plenty of dramatic
1026
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.559
time in the sun, but Also what's kind of funny
1027
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.400
is his the reaction shots during the fights. Like in
1028
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.800
any time Danny Davis does something good, he's nodding his
1029
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.320
head up and down when he does something bad, back
1030
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.760
to him not shaking his head from side to side.
1031
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.679
Yeah, clenching his fits and gritting his teeth or like
1032
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:04.679
tutting or whatever.
1033
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:04.960
Yeah.
1034
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:08.079
Yeah, there's a lot of like good reaction bad reaction
1035
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:11.800
to what happens in the ring. And because they do
1036
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.880
that so much throughout the movie, we start to finish
1037
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:27.360
I eventually started to find it kind of funny.
1038
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.760
All right, So now we have some clips of interviews
1039
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:40.360
with Michael Worth, Lorenzo Lamis, Kathleen Kinmann, and Joseph Mahyhee.
1040
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.320
That's right. It is a quad factor, if such a
1041
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:48.119
word exists, of interviews on this episode. And so we're
1042
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.519
just gonna get right down to it. I'll announce each
1043
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.400
person as they come on. I think first up, we'll
1044
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.000
probably do Joseph Mayhee, followed by Lorenzo Lamas because they
1045
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.400
have a story that kind of goes together. Then we'll
1046
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.119
have Kathleen kim on, and we'll finish it off with
1047
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.079
Michael Worth. But thank you ever so much for listening.
1048
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.440
I hope you're enjoying this episode now that we're back
1049
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:13.440
fully back from our little break in between episodes. And
1050
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.199
don't forget, please to rate and review us on wherever
1051
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.440
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1052
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.320
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1053
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.400
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1054
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.199
and don't forget. You can always reach out to us
1055
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.719
at PMN pod at gmail dot com. That's p M
1056
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:35.320
E N T PO d at gmail dot com. We'll
1057
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.880
call us at three four seven six six nine zero
1058
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.000
zero five to three. Please enjoy these interviews.
1059
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:42.960
Thanks, well, we were we were.
1060
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:48.840
Like desperate to get anybody who's known you, so, you know,
1061
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:54.480
because the foreign market and the domestic market, they always
1062
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.199
look for somebody to put on the post. And Lorenzo
1063
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.840
with a face, a good looking guy as a martial artist.
1064
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.920
Do you remember the name of the television.
1065
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:10.440
Renegade Renegade with Kathy Kimmon, who's obviously also in a
1066
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:11.119
lot of your films.
1067
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:15.880
Yeah, so, I you know, so I called I think
1068
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:26.519
I met I met through Eric Strada, Eric Strada, remember remember.
1069
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:27.960
Ericstrada, Yes, from chips.
1070
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.679
Yeah, yeah, from ships. I think I met him, will
1071
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.320
give me his number. I think I'm much sure, but
1072
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.440
I think that's how I met Brenda. So I told
1073
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.519
the renda about the script. We met and I told
1074
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:50.079
him about the the idea of c I A and uh.
1075
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:54.320
And he said, oh, you know, to sit with you
1076
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.719
and talk to you about it. And so we had
1077
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:02.119
a breakfast and not Hollywood, in a restaurant in Hollywood,
1078
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.760
and we had the breakfast and we're talking about it
1079
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.599
and and then he told me he couldn't do the movie.
1080
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.079
He couldn't do the movie because he just got this
1081
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.440
show called Renegade and he's leaving San Diego.
1082
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:17.920
I said, you're moving.
1083
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.119
He said, no, I'm gonna. You know, I'm gonna. You know,
1084
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:21.760
I'm not going to leave my I know, I have
1085
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.239
a house here and go back and forth and giving
1086
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.159
me an apartment there, but I am going to be
1087
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.320
shooting in San Diego for the next couple of years.
1088
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:34.000
I said, oh, it's too bad. And so we walked
1089
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.800
out of the restaurant and right in front of us,
1090
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:44.960
in front of the restaurant with a Lincoln Ford Auto dealership,
1091
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.840
and so we walked we said oh my god, look
1092
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:54.599
at miss Lincoln. And we walked in and he looked
1093
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:58.199
at it and he was very very I think it's right.
1094
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:03.199
Do theterior or something. Beautiful, beautiful car, and you know
1095
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.280
it's in the showroom, you know, And because my god,
1096
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.559
I love this car. This would be great to travel
1097
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.000
back and forth to San Diego. I said, if you
1098
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.960
give me six days, shoot it. You can have this
1099
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:21.679
car right now. He is, what, because because we look
1100
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:26.000
at the price tag a thirty two thousand or something,
1101
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:29.559
there's thirty two thousands. And I said to the guy
1102
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:33.400
opened the glass door, I'm writing your check, but you
1103
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.840
want it? He said, are you serious? I said, I'm serious,
1104
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:38.199
you want it. I write a check.
1105
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:38.760
You can have it.
1106
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:40.840
You go back and forth in San Diego, and you
1107
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.559
give me six days. You know I need you six,
1108
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.039
seven days, eight days, and them k whatever, I'll suit
1109
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.119
you out. He said, okay, and they take the car
1110
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.960
out of the glass doors outside. I write it check
1111
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:56.400
to the guy, give it to him. He gets behind
1112
00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:02.360
the wheels and I said, well, what do I do
1113
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.039
with your agent? People said, don't worry, I'll give them
1114
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.159
the spare tire. That's what you said?
1115
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:14.320
That his ten percent. It's fifteen percent.
1116
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:15.679
Yeah, spare time.
1117
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:16.800
Oh, that's fantastic.
1118
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:22.320
And we didn't have a contract. You didn't have an agreement.
1119
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:22.960
We don't have.
1120
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:28.119
Anything, Lorenzo Lamas, it's been fantastic these last few months
1121
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.440
working on this PM Entertainment project and getting to speak
1122
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.559
to everyone who has worked with Joe and Rick. As
1123
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.239
you can see, I've got my my collection of your
1124
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:43.760
films that you did for PM on VHS, and I
1125
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.599
just got the new Blu ray of Final Impact that
1126
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.960
Kathleen was over in Switzerland signing just about a month ago.
1127
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.760
I think, but I actually wanted to start. You've been
1128
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:56.920
acting in film and TV really since the seventies, but
1129
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.599
in nineteen eighty nine you made the movie Snake Eater,
1130
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.079
which would go on to become a franchise, and this
1131
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.519
was the first time. I think I'm right in saying
1132
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.400
that you would start in an action movie as sort
1133
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.239
of the main lead. What made you want to go
1134
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:13.840
in the action movie direction at that point in your.
1135
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.280
Career, Oh, I was just such a big fan of
1136
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:21.000
the action heroes of the day, you know, Charles Bronson,
1137
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:27.199
Chuck Norris, you know, even the James Bond movies. They
1138
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:32.760
were always James Coburn did his American version of James
1139
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:36.079
Bond in movies called you know, in like Flint and
1140
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:41.800
so forth. And I just always wanted to be in
1141
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:48.199
the in the action genre. But you know, my first
1142
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.840
big break was with Falcon Crust. So that was a
1143
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:55.360
nighttime soap opera, the complete opposite of action movies.
1144
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:56.039
Right.
1145
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.239
So my agent asked me to read a script that
1146
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.679
he was a sent by h John Dunning and the
1147
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:10.559
gang up there in Canada called Snake Eater, and it
1148
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:15.760
just seemed like deliverance. It's like it was another version
1149
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:22.880
of Deliverance with these these uh, you know, basically zero
1150
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.599
brain power hicks living in the in the buyou, you know,
1151
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:34.519
in some fictitious swamp. And I just was intrigued. I
1152
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.400
thought the character Jack Kelly was just what I was
1153
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:38.119
looking for to do.
1154
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:44.960
Yeah, and I know, I think Joseph told me that
1155
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.960
that sort of way he became aware of you was
1156
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:49.400
through Snake Eat It? But how did you become aware
1157
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.239
of PM Entertainment? Joe tells a great story about buying
1158
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:54.480
you a car, which I hope you're going to tell
1159
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.079
me is actually happened.
1160
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.360
He didn't buy the son of a gun. He leased it.
1161
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:04.719
He leased the car, so I had to give it
1162
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.159
back after thirty six months.
1163
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.480
Oh I see, okay, fair enough.
1164
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.800
Right, But that's Joe, you know, I mean, Joe's a
1165
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:13.480
good businessman.
1166
01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:14.320
Yeah.
1167
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.880
I think what happened was that Joe or PM, somebody
1168
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:22.400
over at PM called my agent and sent over Final
1169
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.039
Impact the script. Yeah, and I loved it. I loved
1170
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:29.239
the character because it wasn't you know, I had been
1171
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:34.440
doing action movies. This was like probably nineties, I'm gonna
1172
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:39.039
say maybe ninety three ninety four. I done a few
1173
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:41.559
action movies. I think I'd done two Snake Eater movies.
1174
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:47.400
But what was interesting to me about the character and
1175
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.719
Final Impact was that he was the mentor. He wasn't
1176
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.679
the protagonist. He wasn't the lead action hero. That was
1177
01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:01.559
Michael Worth. So character was sort of like the guy
1178
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.760
that was on the end of his on the end
1179
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:10.079
of his career. You know, that was bitter because he
1180
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.639
lost a fight and started drinking. And it is a
1181
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:19.360
very interesting character for me acting wise, because he had
1182
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.920
all these demons. Right, So I signed on, and I'm
1183
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:24.760
glad I did. That was the first of I think
1184
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.440
a couple of movies I did with Joe and Rick.
1185
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.840
Yeah, you end up yeah doing a Final Impact and
1186
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.800
the two CIA films with Final Impact. First of all,
1187
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.880
what was your impression of PM? I guess as you
1188
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.960
went as you sort of started work with them and
1189
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:43.719
their particular brand, because while there were a lot of
1190
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:47.320
companies out there making action movies in the nineties, for
1191
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.440
certain PM had their own look there and feel, and
1192
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:54.199
I actually think put better quality on screen than a
1193
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:56.199
lot of the others. So how was your feeling about
1194
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.400
working with PM and working with your co star Michael
1195
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.079
Worth as well.
1196
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.480
Right, So, the thing I had done low budget movies
1197
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.239
because of the ones I didn't Canna because of the
1198
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:10.079
snake of the movies. So coming from big budget, you know,
1199
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:14.880
network television to them doing movies that weren't going theatrical
1200
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.920
at the time, you know, they were just doing a
1201
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.840
straight to video was a little bit of a kind
1202
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:26.119
of a change up for me, if you will, less
1203
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:30.320
time to shoot, practically, no rehearsal time, you know, it
1204
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:34.840
was all it was just a different animal altogether. But
1205
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.519
I embraced it because of the opportunities that it gave
1206
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:40.440
me to play roles that I really liked. And it
1207
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:45.400
really had fun playing. Yeah, I mean PM at the time,
1208
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:50.159
being that it was an independent studio, Like you said,
1209
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.639
they really, I mean, Joe really really worked at the script.
1210
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.599
He really really tried to make stories that were compelling,
1211
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:02.280
because without a compelling star characters, you're gonna lose interest
1212
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.039
in the movie. Doesn't matter how many special effects you get, right,
1213
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:07.960
if you don't care about the characters, you don't care
1214
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.239
about what's happening on the screen. Yeah, of course, So
1215
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.320
he really did focus on the characters and and he
1216
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:22.199
cast his movies really well, and I think that's what
1217
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:27.480
set him apart from all the other independent action studios.
1218
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.400
They just they kind of thought of the characters and
1219
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.760
the story maybe as an like an afterthought, and they
1220
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:41.119
really promoted the the machines and the toys and the devices,
1221
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:45.320
you know. So that's my impression anyway.
1222
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:49.239
Rick Peppin was the obviously the producer, but also the
1223
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:53.719
cinematographer for Final Impact and both CIA films. Sadly, I'm
1224
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:55.760
not sure if you knew, but he recently passed away,
1225
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.239
and I just wondered what were your memories of Rick
1226
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.239
on set and also working with him as a director
1227
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.480
for CIA too. What were your memories of Rick Peppen
1228
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:06.159
at that time.
1229
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:10.159
Well you've probably heard this before if you've interviewed anybody
1230
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:16.039
with regards to Rick. But Rick was a very very chill,
1231
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:21.360
calming force on the set. You know, he wasn't a
1232
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:27.039
typical DP that through a tantrum if he didn't have
1233
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.079
enough time to light. He was invested, Let's put it
1234
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:34.519
that way. He was invested in the product, invested in
1235
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:39.360
you know, getting it, getting the shot that he knew
1236
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:40.920
was going to be able to tell the story and
1237
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.719
propel it forward. Very helpful to me as a director
1238
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:50.079
because you know, between the two of us, we knew
1239
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:53.880
what shots we needed and what shots we didn't for editing, right,
1240
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:59.480
So it He was just just a super nice, really
1241
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:02.360
really cool and you know Joe was too, but rip
1242
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:08.159
even more so. Rick was just very calm and very friendly.
1243
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:12.079
We'd laugh at at stuff, you know, just easygoing guy.
1244
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.319
Gary Daniels had a very small part in Final Impact
1245
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.680
and then he went on to have a big career
1246
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:23.359
with PM and it was great because you know they
1247
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.680
would find they would find these these action stars and
1248
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:29.560
and build them up and make movies with them, and
1249
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.520
it was fantastic. But the stunt people that I've worked
1250
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.880
with on PM and I mean and everywhere, really I've
1251
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.840
been very lucky. You know, I've had great stunt people,
1252
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:45.319
very willing to learn, you know, new stuff because I
1253
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.479
was bringing new stuff to these guys. A lot of
1254
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:52.119
the stuntmen didn't have martial arts backgrounds, you know, so
1255
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.600
a lot of a lot of the rehearsal time was spent,
1256
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.279
you know, helping these guys to learn how to take
1257
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.920
a technique to the ground so that you know, nobody
1258
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:08.359
got hurt right and we had time to rehearse. We
1259
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.880
rehearsed a lot of the fight stuff in Final Impact.
1260
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:17.199
Jeff Langton was fantastic. He obviously had big martial arts background,
1261
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:21.119
so our fight was I mean, we could really really
1262
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:26.079
come close with the with the kicks and the punches
1263
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.399
because we both were skilled. You know, we weren't going
1264
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:32.760
to hurt each other, but we made it. We could
1265
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:34.880
make it look real. And the same thing with Mike Worth.
1266
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:37.199
You know, he had martial arts background. So working with
1267
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:40.800
Michael was was easy because you know, we we just
1268
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.720
kind of went back and forth in a very trusting way,
1269
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.239
knowing that you know, the kicks and the punches to
1270
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.600
the head, weren't going to make contact because we had control.
1271
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:53.399
And it really is all about that. It's all about
1272
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:57.199
the control that you have, and the more you do it,
1273
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:01.399
the better you get at that control, you know. So
1274
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:05.359
I never injured anybody on any of the movies or
1275
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.439
TV shows that I did, and that's because we rehearsed
1276
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.479
and there was a you know, a period of time
1277
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.760
where you do everything like half speed, and then by
1278
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.279
the time you feel comfortable and you're ready to wrap
1279
01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:21.439
it up for the take, we all we all knew
1280
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.600
which way we're going to go. Yeah, I know, so no,
1281
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.600
of course, and it looked great and nobody got hurt,
1282
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.600
you know. And I went into tables and I had
1283
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.920
candy guess candy glass bottles broken on my head, and
1284
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:36.920
you know, I went through windows and glass and all
1285
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.760
that stuff. And over the years, you know, downstairs and everything.
1286
01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.520
But you know, it's all about taking the time to
1287
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:50.079
rehearse it, and so the camera operator knows where the
1288
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:51.760
action is going to be, where it's going to start,
1289
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.000
where it's going to end up. So you have to
1290
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:56.119
keep doing the same thing over again because the cameraman
1291
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:59.359
will know where you're going to be So that saves
1292
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:04.960
uh time, and it saves you know, people's bodies knowing
1293
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.560
that they don't have to do the same master, you know,
1294
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:11.119
ten times and be exhausted and then you get sloppy,
1295
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:14.000
and that's when people get hurt, you know. Yeah, they
1296
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:17.279
were really excellent, excellent people. All the people that Joe
1297
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:19.560
and Rick put in front of me as far as
1298
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:23.760
the action goes, were really really good, good stunt people.
1299
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.600
Yeah. I think it's why the films still hold up today,
1300
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.840
sometimes even more so than than some of the movie
1301
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.199
the straight to video movies being made today or straight
1302
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:35.640
streaming movies being made today, because I think there's more
1303
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.880
budgetry constraints these days in terms of way you can shoot,
1304
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.600
how you can shoot, and things like that. To Joe
1305
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.800
and Rick, who were you know, very often blowing up
1306
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:50.760
downtown LA without any permits sometimes, but yeah, that's what
1307
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:51.159
they did.
1308
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.720
They used real, real gas too, I mean yeah, yeah,
1309
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.600
they'd fill fifty five gallon drums with gasoline half full
1310
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:04.399
and then we'd have great weapons people and demolition guys and.
1311
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:07.800
Yeah, didn't seem to be anything they couldn't do. But no,
1312
01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:10.720
so any just any final PM memories and what the
1313
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:12.600
fans say when they come up and talk to you
1314
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:13.560
about the two movies.
1315
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:18.279
Well, the PM memories really are of driving to Las
1316
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.920
Vegas to shoot Final Impact. You know, we all drove,
1317
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:26.239
We all Cara event together, Joseph and his little Mercedes
1318
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:29.439
it's no black Ford door sedan, and Kathleen and I
1319
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:33.840
were in I think my pickup truck and we would stop.
1320
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.399
Joseph would stop, he'd pull over and we'd have cell phones.
1321
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:39.560
He'd pull over and we'd pull over with him and
1322
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:41.760
we go, Hey, what's up. You need gas? He goes, no,
1323
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:46.680
let's shoot something here. So he had Rick with him
1324
01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:49.079
and he'd pull out the camera and we'd use a
1325
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:52.239
gas station and we just stand around and kind of
1326
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.640
walk around and pretend like we were talking to each other.
1327
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.159
And he had this gas station in the background, this
1328
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:01.039
old fashioned from the fifties gas station, and it was
1329
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.960
just impromptu stuff like that. We stayed at the Sands
1330
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:08.600
Hotel and I remember filming that sequence that's scene up
1331
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:12.920
on top of the roof with Michael Wirth where I'm
1332
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:15.520
I think I'm telling him about, you know, the futures
1333
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.159
in his hands and giving him this this mentor like
1334
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:23.640
speech and just looking out over the city lights of
1335
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.039
Las Vegas, the strip, you know at night. Just special
1336
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:29.359
special memories like that.
1337
01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:33.399
And and apart from people like myself, to do people
1338
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:37.319
ask you about your PM films like on the Street
1339
01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:40.079
or does someone do they remember those early action films
1340
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:40.520
that you made?
1341
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.359
Yes, of course they do. I mean the hardcore fans.
1342
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:46.560
They'll come up to me in an autograph show and
1343
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:49.279
they'll they'll ask me about how was it doing the
1344
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:52.960
PM movies and how was it working with these other producers,
1345
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.720
And they're very like knowledgeable about the companies that produced
1346
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:01.680
these movies back in the nineties, and you know, they'll
1347
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:04.239
know the storyline, they'll remember more things about the character
1348
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:05.239
than I'll even remember.
1349
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:07.600
Yeah, And do you like that?
1350
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:08.560
Do you like it?
1351
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:08.720
Was?
1352
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:08.880
That?
1353
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:12.560
Was that era for you? Do you look back at
1354
01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:16.479
those early nines You were taking the steps into action films,
1355
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:19.319
getting more of the maybe the genre that you wanted
1356
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.880
to be in, getting the chance directs and stuff. Was
1357
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.600
that a Was that a really great period for yourself?
1358
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:27.720
Was that something you look back on frequently or you will?
1359
01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:32.880
Yeah, I think that was the high point of my
1360
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:38.479
creativity as as an action star and quite frankly as
1361
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:41.479
a director as well. So yeah, that was that was
1362
01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:43.960
really really a great time for me in my career.
1363
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:49.560
And I'm so thankful that it's preserved on DVD. And
1364
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:53.119
you know, they they have different formats coming out now,
1365
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:57.079
these movies, and I'm just thankful that they'll they'll forever
1366
01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:59.399
be available to watch. You know, if you're a fan
1367
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.079
and and you just feel like watching a cheesy nineties
1368
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:04.960
action movie, I've got plenty of them.
1369
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:09.520
Yeah no, And I have a whole Lorenzo lama selection
1370
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:12.279
in my vhs and my DVDs.
1371
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:14.399
You'll you're one of a lot of fans that would
1372
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:18.000
be jealous of you. Yeah, I mean, they got they
1373
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.560
got the Lorenzo Lamis category. They have Don Wilson's films,
1374
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:24.479
you know, they got Gary Daniels films, they got Olivia
1375
01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:29.359
Grinner's films, you know. Yeah, Jeff speakman. I mean, these guys,
1376
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:32.199
we were all part of that kind of that great
1377
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:36.920
great action genre, you know, that didn't have the big
1378
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:42.960
studio behind them. And you know, so there's a special category.
1379
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:44.880
I'm not sure what to call it, but.
1380
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:47.720
Oh, I mean I call it a golden It was.
1381
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.720
It was definitely a Golden era, especially for the video
1382
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:55.159
shop area. You uh, you know, you're a most people
1383
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:57.479
are from the video shop era. They'll lie that talk
1384
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:01.279
about horror films, talk about action. Those were like the
1385
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:02.079
Two Big.
1386
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:06.119
Ones and those Snake Eater movies. I mean, you got
1387
01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:10.920
you just have to realize that there's a lot of
1388
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:16.000
it that's that's campy and and corny about it, but
1389
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.399
it's really entertaining, you know, those movies looking at them
1390
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:22.920
from today are really especially the first Snake Eater. It's
1391
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:24.479
really entertaining, you know.
1392
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:26.439
Oh it is, No, it's fantastic.
1393
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:29.359
And like I say, the only crime a movie like
1394
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:31.760
this can a movie like these can make is to
1395
01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.000
be boring at any point, and most of them.
1396
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:35.199
Yeah, we weren't boring.
1397
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:36.319
Boring.
1398
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.800
Well, Lorenzo, thanks so much for your time.
1399
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:44.239
Today, terrific. Thank you for being patient with me. And
1400
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.439
the schedule has been crazy the last couple of weeks,
1401
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.079
so I appreciate it very much.
1402
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:55.119
Busy man, All right, take care, no problem, Kathleen Kinmont.
1403
01:16:55.439 --> 01:17:01.680
But yeah, I mean that place was a Bonifi factory
1404
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:09.319
that was such a bustling place to work, and my
1405
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.720
brother ended up working there quite a bit. He worked
1406
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:19.039
on about eighty films for PM and his one of
1407
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:22.000
his best friends, well who he met on PM, who
1408
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:27.920
was already employing Gil Watsworth. You should get these guys
1409
01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:28.640
on as.
1410
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:32.439
Like crew would love would love to yeah.
1411
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.399
Now, and Lorenzo too. I mean, like they found out
1412
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:40.079
that I was married to Lorenzo pretty quickly, and then
1413
01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:44.920
that's when my relationship with Joseph really started to develop
1414
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:51.640
because he really wanted Lorenzo and he started talking to
1415
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.600
me about what Lorenzo would want to do, and I said, well,
1416
01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:58.439
you know, he's a black belt in three forms of
1417
01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:03.720
martial arts, so anything with that. And then I think
1418
01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:05.760
Final Round came.
1419
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:10.960
After Final Impact, yeah, because it's kicked. Yeah, yeah, that came.
1420
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.520
That came out different Direnzo.
1421
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:22.600
Oh yeah, Final Round c A one and two and
1422
01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:25.840
Snake Eater three or four.
1423
01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:32.079
H Yes, Nake Eater to the Drug Buster you were
1424
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.520
in I think was that the first you were in
1425
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:35.119
with Lorenzo.
1426
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:38.239
Yes, yeah, that was the.
1427
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:40.720
First movie we did together with Larry Scott.
1428
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:41.840
That was fun.
1429
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:45.000
Yeah.
1430
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:45.359
Yeah.
1431
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.880
Of course, having come from sort of the world of
1432
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:51.560
independent horror and independent action films as well, having done
1433
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.880
these movies and things with Lorenzo. Obviously you said your
1434
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.640
agent got you the job, but how aware was the
1435
01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:02.359
industry in general, certainly sort of the straight video industry,
1436
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:04.680
of the action industry, or the you know, because VHS
1437
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.199
kind of blew everything up. It gave filmmakers a new
1438
01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:11.840
avenue in a way that maybe the cinema or the
1439
01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.159
you know, big projections weren't doing. How how a where
1440
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.439
were you of sort of PM entertainment or was it
1441
01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:21.359
just you just went in completely doc pop from obviously
1442
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:23.239
the audition and knowing who you were going to be
1443
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:23.600
working with.
1444
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:27.920
You know, I didn't I didn't really know any of
1445
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.640
their movies really, but I knew all the people that
1446
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:31.920
were making.
1447
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:35.359
Their movies making yeah, right, So it was more like
1448
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:38.279
I guess I probably was way more of a pop
1449
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:44.600
culture person who just went to the movies, and on occasion, Lorenzo.
1450
01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.479
And I would go to a Blockbuster and go pick
1451
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:49.479
up a VHS for something that was like, hey, wow,
1452
01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.159
we didn't see this in the movie theater. Where where
1453
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.520
did this come from? You know, Mickey was in this,
1454
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.800
you know, or like oh wow, look it's Eric Roberts
1455
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.640
again in movie number five hundred and seventy two.
1456
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:06.720
Oh, bless Eric Roberts. How many movies has he done?
1457
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:10.399
Eric Roberts? He plays my dad.
1458
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:13.439
So I was always pcited for this movie to come
1459
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.600
out because he's like who doesn't love Eric Roberts And
1460
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:20.159
who doesn't who hasn't already been in an Eric Roberts movie.
1461
01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.880
He's like, he's his own institution. That's quite incredible.
1462
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:28.399
He really is like everybody forget the Kevin Bacon thing.
1463
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:29.840
It's we're all related to Eric.
1464
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.479
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean have three degrees. I'm
1465
01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:36.479
probably three degrees from Eric Roberts. I mean everyone's done
1466
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:37.399
something with Eric.
1467
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.279
He had just worked with him, so I feel like, yeah,
1468
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:45.239
and he plays my dad, which Margot Robbie just had happen.
1469
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:47.960
In Babylon, which was amazing.
1470
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:51.359
Right where I was at at that time of my
1471
01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:55.479
life in my early twenties and just really starting to
1472
01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:01.000
get into the business and work kind of like steadily,
1473
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:05.399
it was just forward momentum for me. I was just like,
1474
01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:10.159
I've done this, that's done. Now this okay, what's this about?
1475
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:13.680
So I never when I looked back at kind of
1476
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.159
my career in all the different parts that I've had,
1477
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.479
and to talk about Bride and Reanimator in Halloween. It's
1478
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.119
almost like another person.
1479
01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:24.840
To me, right, yeah, because you.
1480
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:26.920
Put that outfit on and then you take it off
1481
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:29.479
and you throw it away, and then you get somebody else.
1482
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:29.560
You know.
1483
01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:33.600
Yeah, and they were making the movie, you just put
1484
01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:35.880
it in the closet way way now.
1485
01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:41.159
Of course, and especially with PM, they made so many movies,
1486
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.880
you know, they were making five ten movies a year.
1487
01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:47.119
You know, it's there was no time to necessarily sit
1488
01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:53.319
around and think about it. And finally, Michael Worth, at that.
1489
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:57.680
Point, right before I got that part, I'd always said
1490
01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:58.600
that one of the things.
1491
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:00.800
At that point had been working now for a few years.
1492
01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:04.840
I said, I, if whatever happens in this business, if
1493
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:07.000
I can just get a part in a movie or
1494
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:08.880
a TV show, that if you were to cut my
1495
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.159
part out, you would notice something was missing from the story.
1496
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.000
That was my goal, you know, that was that was
1497
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:16.560
all I wanted to do, is just have a part.
1498
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.119
Like I was doing all these things on Alien Nation
1499
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:22.079
or you know, police Academy stunts or whatever it was.
1500
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:24.359
Or I'd walk in, you'd have a fight scene maybe
1501
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.600
or something else, and if you cut those scenes out,
1502
01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.039
you'd be like you wouldn't really notice it, but that
1503
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:32.359
was my goal. So when and I've read for a
1504
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:35.640
number of leading role films, I just had never booked anything.
1505
01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.560
So when when this movie, when Final Impact came along
1506
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:41.479
at that point, it was called The Flying Dutchman, that
1507
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:46.520
was the screenplay was written by Steven Smoke and so
1508
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:48.439
I read it and I didn't you know, PM. You
1509
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:50.000
got to keep in mind at this point, I think
1510
01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:52.840
PM had done two movies. They had done some comedy
1511
01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:56.239
they had shot in Vegas that Richard Munchkin had directed.
1512
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:58.760
I think maybe Joseph director or Richard did, I can't remember.
1513
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:02.640
And they had done Ring of Fire. And when they
1514
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:06.479
wrote Final Impact or they wrote The Flying Dutchman, they
1515
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:09.479
knew they wanted Lorenzo, but their original idea was to
1516
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.319
do Lorenzo and Don the Dragon Wilson, so Don would
1517
01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:14.479
have played my part in with the Lorenzo. And then
1518
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:16.560
as they were going through it, I think the idea
1519
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:19.840
of Don was so he was a little older, and
1520
01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:23.439
he was also stuck in that sort of like professional
1521
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.880
kickboxing idea that they thought having Lorenzo trained Don the
1522
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.520
Dragon didn't quite you know, it just wasn't ringing for him.
1523
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:31.960
So they decided to open it up.
1524
01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:34.800
I mean, no offense to Lorenzo, but but Don had
1525
01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:37.399
several world titles, right, no, no.
1526
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:40.079
Exactly, and I'll pay I will talk about Lorenzo, but
1527
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.439
he was actually Lorenzo proved to be a really talented fighter.
1528
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:46.640
You no, I know, I just no, I just but
1529
01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:48.520
you're right, I mean, Don the dragon. You know, it's
1530
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:50.800
like this guy's you know, it was the guy. So
1531
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:53.920
I so, so I went out there.
1532
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:54.399
This time.
1533
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:58.000
PM was located out in the valley out near the
1534
01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:02.399
Anheuser Busch factory that was out there, So it was
1535
01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:04.359
pretty I lived in this point, I lived in Marina
1536
01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.399
del Rey, so it was a good little jaunt for me,
1537
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.279
and I'd drive out there, went into the offices there,
1538
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:10.920
and they had they were in a little cul de sac.
1539
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.199
It was a small building. I had like about maybe
1540
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:15.880
five or six offices in it. You know, you walk
1541
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.680
in the they own the whole building or they were
1542
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:21.199
renting the whole building. And and when I went in there,
1543
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:23.439
there was you know, Vince Berdoco was in there. I
1544
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:27.239
think Gary Daniels was in there, Ian Jackline, they were
1545
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.600
these guys were all coming in to read for Danny's part.
1546
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.399
I didn't know, I knew, I didn't know who Gary was.
1547
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:34.399
I didn't know.
1548
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:37.039
I Actually, the only people I knew at that time
1549
01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:41.119
I was aware it was Eric Lee and Lorenzo. So
1550
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:43.359
when I went into PM, you know, like I said,
1551
01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:45.119
they'd only done a couple of movies at this point,
1552
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:47.680
and they and Ring of Fire was you know, I
1553
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:50.720
hadn't even heard of it at that point. So anyway,
1554
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:53.119
I went in there and did a little reading when
1555
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:56.479
Lorenzo was in there, Joseph Murphy was in there, Kathleen Kinmont,
1556
01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:59.560
Katharine Laudner, Eric Lee. I did a couple of one
1557
01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:01.960
scene Lorenzo. Then Kathleen got up it is a scene
1558
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:04.159
with her. And then then they just said to me
1559
01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:06.359
that where you throw some kicks and punches. And at
1560
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.359
this point that's all I was doing. Was like if
1561
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:10.439
I wasn't out trying to get a job as an actor,
1562
01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:13.439
I was you know, practicing training, sparring, whatever. So I
1563
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.439
was really confident in that area. And I just started
1564
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:18.600
doing jump spins and tornado kicks and just you know,
1565
01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:21.439
went through the whole roster and then and left. And
1566
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.039
what's funny about it is is that normally in the
1567
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:28.119
process of a of a of an audition for those
1568
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:30.239
who don't do it, you know, usually go in once
1569
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:33.560
and you'll get called back something usually once twice to retire.
1570
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:35.359
Like when I was doing Batman Forever, I think I
1571
01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:38.920
went back seven times. And for this though, I went
1572
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:41.520
in once and then and then what happens is your
1573
01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.760
manager or the producers call you and say, hey, you
1574
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.880
book the role. Well, what happened to me was two
1575
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:47.479
days later. It might have been on the weekend that
1576
01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.359
this happened. I get a phone call from Eric Lee
1577
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:51.880
and Eric's like, hey, Michael is like, we should start
1578
01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:54.319
talking about fight scenes. And I'm thinking, oh, maybe I
1579
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:56.840
got a call back, and I'm I'm getting brought back in,
1580
01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.079
and you know, he wants to talk about something they
1581
01:25:59.079 --> 01:25:59.359
want to do.
1582
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:00.479
I was in my head.
1583
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:03.319
All of a sudden, here's somebody yelling at Eric off
1584
01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:05.479
the in the phone. I think it was Charlotte or
1585
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.079
somebody going Eric, what are you doing? Charlotte Driver, who
1586
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.079
is one of the producers of the film, and and
1587
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:12.279
he goes, oh, I got to call it back, and
1588
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:13.840
he hangs up. But when it happened was he had
1589
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:16.199
gotten they just decided to use me. He got so
1590
01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:18.840
excited he called me up to want to start putting
1591
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:22.880
together the choreography, and he you know, preceded my manager
1592
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:24.199
finding out or anything.
1593
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:26.560
So that's how I found out. I got the part.
1594
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:30.319
Oh that's funny, that's fun People in the background they're like, no,
1595
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:34.560
not yet, yep, right, tell him yet. Yeah. So I
1596
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:38.960
hadn't come across I mean, I've watched obviously about sixty
1597
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.640
percent of what PM put out so far, and I'm
1598
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:44.199
watching all the others, but I hadn't come across Steven
1599
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:46.239
Smoked before I see that. He did like two or
1600
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:52.239
three with PM early on. Yeah, do you what did
1601
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:54.479
you know about Steven? And how was Steven as a
1602
01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:55.760
director when you were working.
1603
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.760
With What's great about Steven is this is that? So
1604
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:02.760
when we shot Final Impact, he was the screenwriter and
1605
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:04.520
he was kind of going in. He was a friend
1606
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:07.319
of Joseph's too, so Joseph you know, and I think
1607
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:09.920
at that point they were sort of like his deal
1608
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:11.840
with Joseph. I don't know if it was an actual
1609
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:14.520
contractual deal, but just maybe a handshake of a deal.
1610
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.279
Knowing PM Entertainment at that time, he was probably more
1611
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:19.319
of a handshake which was he'd write this film and
1612
01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:23.039
then get the opportunity to direct something later. Because while
1613
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:26.920
we were shooting, you know, Stephen was there throughout the
1614
01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:31.039
whole shoot. At one point there was a sequence in
1615
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.359
Final Impack towards the end. It was after Lorenzo's character
1616
01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:37.760
to spoil the movie here had died and I was
1617
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:42.199
getting ready to fight Jeff Langton's character. There was a
1618
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.359
scene that we shot in a locker room where I'm
1619
01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:46.840
in a locker room like kind of being morose, and
1620
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.279
then Frank Reeves, who plays Stevie, comes in and has
1621
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:51.720
this little scene where he talks with me.
1622
01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:53.680
And it was just a small scene, maybe a half
1623
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:54.600
a page or something.
1624
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.079
But Joseph came up to Steven and said, look, I'll
1625
01:27:57.079 --> 01:27:58.680
give you an hour and you can shoot this scene.
1626
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.720
And so he kind of gave Steve even Smoked, the
1627
01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:03.920
opportunity to direct the scene to sort of like cut
1628
01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.960
his teeth a little bit. Now, the scene got cut
1629
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:07.760
out of the movie, but I don't think that was
1630
01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:10.039
because of Steven's fault. I think they just realized it
1631
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:12.039
was a scene that wasn't moving ahead what they wanted
1632
01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:15.039
to move ahead. But the funny thing about Steve is
1633
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:18.800
is that he he had written a series of books
1634
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:23.119
called Ninja. There were paperback books out in the US
1635
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:27.159
and they were called The Ninja Master and he wrote
1636
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:29.920
under a suitedy them. But I had collected all these
1637
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:32.039
books when I was like fifteen years old, and when
1638
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:33.840
I got on the staid he told me I wrote those.
1639
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:35.760
Books, and that you're kidding me. I go, I love
1640
01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:37.640
those books. I got all seven of them.
1641
01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:40.000
And so it was really kind of a fun And
1642
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:42.359
so Steve and I and I actually hit it off,
1643
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.800
and between Final Impacts and Street Crimes, we spent a
1644
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:47.600
lot of time together and I would train with him
1645
01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.600
and he wanted to learn some martial arts. As a
1646
01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:53.439
matter of fact, Stephen was close to George Lazenbye, who
1647
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:57.720
played James Bond and Magic Secret Service, and George was
1648
01:28:57.760 --> 01:28:59.640
looking for somebody to train him for a movie. And
1649
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.439
I actually trained George for about you know, I don't know,
1650
01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:06.680
it was a month or two and we we we
1651
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.359
uh you know, I kept I was training h h
1652
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:10.840
for this this martial arts part.
1653
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:12.960
We talked a lot about Bruce Lee and James Bond
1654
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:13.239
and all that.
1655
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:20.079
In fact, Steven smoke myself, George, a couple other people
1656
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:22.520
who went to a screening one time of a PM movie.
1657
01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.760
It was Deadly bet is what the film was.
1658
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:28.960
I remember with Jeff Wincott movie and anyway, So the
1659
01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:32.039
point being that Steve and I built this great relationship,
1660
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.560
and so when they were grooming him for Street Crimes,
1661
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:37.479
you know he was he couldn't tell me, but he
1662
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:39.920
had written it for me and he wanted me to
1663
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:41.640
play it. So he just but he couldn't tell me
1664
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.600
until everything was in place. But Stevens a great guy.
1665
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.319
Oh yeah, no, fantastic. Yeah, And it looks like just
1666
01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:49.319
that he just did.
1667
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:52.680
He just directed Street Crimes and Final Impact, and then
1668
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:55.640
he wrote Living to Die, Final Impact, Street Crimes, and
1669
01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:58.880
Magic Kid. So he really only did just work with
1670
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:01.720
PM as as far as I'MDB is concerned. I don't
1671
01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:03.720
know if yeah, yeah, changed his name or did other
1672
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:04.239
stuff or.
1673
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:07.279
Whatever, but yeah, the only thing he directed was Three
1674
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:08.840
Crimes as far as I know. I mean, he did
1675
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:12.319
the one scene in Final Impact. Joseph actually had Lorenzo
1676
01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:14.479
direct the scene in Final Impact too. You know, there's
1677
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:16.560
a scene where I get jumped in front of a
1678
01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:20.399
coke machine and Lorenzo basically directed that scene. So Joseph
1679
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:22.800
was great that way. Murray was like I felt like,
1680
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:26.359
was you know, he was like he was just learning
1681
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:28.479
the ropes himself. But I think he wasn't afraid to
1682
01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:31.239
like let people have their little moments and try stuff,
1683
01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:32.199
and which I oh.
1684
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:34.640
No, he loved. He loved collaboration. I mean that was
1685
01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:39.000
that was Joseph's biggest strength. And I think interestingly enough,
1686
01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:42.039
like speaking to Joseph and Rick especially, and then as
1687
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:44.079
I said, I came out of it having watched the
1688
01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:47.920
Canon documentaries, the big difference between PM and Cannon is
1689
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.720
that Joseph Joseph more than Rick because Rick was more
1690
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:54.439
focused on the technic technology and the technical side of
1691
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.000
photography and the technical side of stuff. But Joseph especially
1692
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:03.199
a lot more collaborative and involved, like just boots on
1693
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.680
the ground, way more than Golum and Globus were, you.
1694
01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.399
Know, hundred percent.
1695
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:12.479
I can tell you that I never went to actual
1696
01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:16.199
film school in my life, but I've always said this
1697
01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:20.039
that PM Entertainment was absolutely my film school. I mean
1698
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:23.039
I had as a as a no name actor, a
1699
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:26.239
bit player, a stuntman, whatever. I'd worked on these giant movies,
1700
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:28.960
you know, Paramount Fox, Warner Brothers, whatever.
1701
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:30.359
But you're always kept on.
1702
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:30.880
The out, you know.
1703
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:32.640
You sit in your trailer and they call you up
1704
01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:34.439
and then they kick you off the set when they're done,
1705
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:38.439
you know. But when I got onto Final Impact, it
1706
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:43.279
was my first time really learning about filmmaking, but learning
1707
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:46.279
from the vantage point of how a low budget independent
1708
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:47.399
film company does it.
1709
01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:50.720
And I came in with completely dumb ideas of how
1710
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:51.119
this works.
1711
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:52.520
In fact, when I found out I had booked the
1712
01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:56.720
role of Danny and Final Impact had, I thought, I
1713
01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:58.439
hung up. I didn't know how much money I was getting.
1714
01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:00.319
I was like, come my god, I get to buy
1715
01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:02.560
my first house. I'm gonna like I had all these
1716
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:06.079
ideas about when I saw my paycheck was I was like, oh,
1717
01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:07.760
I can't buy a house with this.
1718
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:11.039
I may maybe I'll buy a boat or something, but
1719
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:13.399
but uh so.
1720
01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:17.520
But the learning experience I had through watching Joseph and
1721
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:21.640
watching Rick has served me through my career. I mean,
1722
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.760
I'm still utilizing it today, especially like one of the
1723
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.399
things that Joseph had that that I thought was important
1724
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.920
that a lot of directors don't get is the producer
1725
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.079
side of it. Because they were running a company, right,
1726
01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:35.000
so they had PM Entertainment. They wanted to build it
1727
01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:37.720
up and turn it into basically what it had become.
1728
01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.239
And at that point, like you said, it was canon,
1729
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:42.479
it was you know, Roger Corman. There was a number
1730
01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:45.079
of companies that were sort of doing that thing and
1731
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:49.039
being successful, but they were they were like aspiring to this.
1732
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:51.920
But I just I felt like he as a director
1733
01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:54.840
had that producer mindset. And a lot of directors will
1734
01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.000
go in and go I got this vision, I got
1735
01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:00.239
this idea, and they don't think about you know, you
1736
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:01.800
gotta get it done in an hour and a half.
1737
01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:03.760
And it's if you're not gonna get it, what are
1738
01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.720
you gonna do next? And Joseph was always thinking of
1739
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.039
what to do next, And that was one of my
1740
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:09.680
big lessons.
1741
01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:11.279
I was like, Okay, I got it. You know, you
1742
01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:13.359
can't just be stuck on Plan A. You gotta go
1743
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:15.680
to Plan B. I think the other thing that was
1744
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:19.039
so fun about it was was that when we were.
1745
01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:21.039
We were shot in the movie, we started shooting in
1746
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:24.279
La So the first week was done in LA and
1747
01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:26.479
then I just assume we're all gonna hop on planes
1748
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:29.079
and we're gonna fly first class and land in Vegas.
1749
01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:30.159
And do something. He's like, Nope, we're not.
1750
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.840
We're all getting in cars and we're driving to Vegas
1751
01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:35.439
and I and he says, you're gonna go with Lorenzo
1752
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:37.920
and Kathleen so you guys can bond and you know,
1753
01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.600
work on being together. And we're gonna and then we're
1754
01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:43.439
gonna all carpool behind you and we're gonna stop along
1755
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.680
the way and shoot a couple sequences as we drive
1756
01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:48.520
from Los Angeles to Vegas.
1757
01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:51.279
And I was like, oh, that's how you do it.
1758
01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:54.359
As a matter of fact, when we first arrived in Vegas,
1759
01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.159
we didn't even go to our hotels. Normally would go
1760
01:33:57.199 --> 01:33:59.359
to your hotel, get settled in and maybe start shooting
1761
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:01.760
the next day. Joseph said, nope, we're gonna be at
1762
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:04.079
this hotel, you know, wherever the address, right off the
1763
01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:06.800
strips somewhere, and he just said, we're gonna start shooting
1764
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:09.399
this scene. And it was the scene where Lorenzo is
1765
01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:11.399
sitting on the car and I come out of a hotel,
1766
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:14.800
you know, I just I think he's just Gary Daniels
1767
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:16.039
has just beat me up or whatever.
1768
01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:18.640
And I step out and we have this confrontation.
1769
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:21.720
That scene was like we've just pulled into Vegas and
1770
01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:24.079
he just basically told me to put on these clothes
1771
01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:26.039
and we shot it in this parking lot of a hotel.
1772
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:29.880
So that was the kind of way they succeed in
1773
01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:33.039
doing movies in three weeks. You know, the Final Impact
1774
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:34.840
was shot in three weeks or you know, under three
1775
01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:38.800
weeks really, So anyway, Yeah, I mean, I don't know,
1776
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:41.039
I got a little tangent there, but that's that was what.
1777
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:44.199
I behind the scenes stuff we love.
1778
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:45.960
Yeah, I just want I guess what I wanted to
1779
01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:49.359
finish Capital just say listen. You know, Joseph was just
1780
01:34:49.439 --> 01:34:52.000
a had been a huge.
1781
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:53.560
Person.
1782
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.279
I referenced back to I was actually working with David
1783
01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:58.680
Mammott on a script he had written that I was
1784
01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:00.479
going to direct a number of years back, and we
1785
01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.800
were talking because he'd done a movie called Spartan that
1786
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:06.520
Joseph had produced, so he had had an opportunity to
1787
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:07.640
work with Joseph as well.
1788
01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:10.000
And it's just Joseph always popped.
1789
01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:11.800
Up in my head throughout my career whenever I was
1790
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:14.960
making movies, and by actually Final Impact, Street Crimes and
1791
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.119
to be the best would all have elements too, but
1792
01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:21.439
final final impact was such a profound learning experience for
1793
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:24.239
me through doing the way they shot that movie that
1794
01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:26.479
you know, I can't I can't thank them enough for
1795
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:27.000
that stuff.
1796
01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:31.159
Yeah. No, it seemed like, you know that PM was
1797
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:34.079
a place where, like you say, no, you're not going
1798
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:37.640
to buy a first house working on a PM Entertainment film,
1799
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:40.760
but you are going to come out of having worked
1800
01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:45.439
with PM Entertainment, you know, stronger, better, wiser, you know,
1801
01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:47.840
more equipped to go out then and maybe you know,
1802
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:50.600
get get get the bigger role. And a lot of
1803
01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:52.880
the people like yourself who did three or four films
1804
01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:55.159
with them sort of have a lot of the same
1805
01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:58.000
kind of stories where they're like, you know.
1806
01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:00.640
We were in it to the movies.
1807
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.479
We were in it to get what we wanted on screen.
1808
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:04.920
We were in it to collaborate.
1809
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:07.399
It wasn't you know, we were in it to kind
1810
01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:11.880
of make our first mark in the industry, you know,
1811
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:15.399
not necessarily to be like, well, we're just going to
1812
01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:17.359
hitch our wagon a PM for the rest of our career,
1813
01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:18.119
but to.
1814
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:24.479
At least learn use you know, and get your face.
1815
01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:26.840
Out there on a VHS or whatever, you know, as
1816
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:28.800
it goes into the store so that people start to
1817
01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:31.279
learn your name and see your face, and then that's
1818
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.680
the next step. And it's funny because even talking to Spirosatus,
1819
01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:38.119
the stunt guy, he was like, you know, I had
1820
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.159
a decade's worth of reels from PM Entertainment films, and
1821
01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:45.199
weirdly no one would look at them. You know. He
1822
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:47.439
was like, it was really really difficult, he said, But I,
1823
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:50.439
he said, I will always much like yourself, I will
1824
01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:53.800
always credit PM because I got they let me do
1825
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:56.680
stuff on a PM movie, and I learned to do
1826
01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.279
stuff on a PM movie that Hollywood would never have
1827
01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:02.319
given me a child to do. So even if the
1828
01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:04.680
real that I was left, even if I had to
1829
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:07.439
do you know, lower man on the tope pole kind
1830
01:37:07.479 --> 01:37:10.840
of things in Hollywood in order to make that leap
1831
01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:13.600
as he did under the Fast and Furious movies, He's like,
1832
01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:15.600
by the time I got to the Fast and Furious movies,
1833
01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:18.279
all the gags I was doing were gags we had
1834
01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:21.560
done with PM, Like we just knew out of mountain
1835
01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:23.800
them after all that time. So no, it's it's and
1836
01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:25.720
it's one of the reasons why I'm drawn to them
1837
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:27.960
as well, because yeah, I mean, look, I love action movies,
1838
01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:30.479
I love straight to video stuff, I love b movies.
1839
01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:33.359
I love the fact that it's a kind of place
1840
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:36.039
for people to play and come up with weird stuff
1841
01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:40.479
and do different things. But I genuinely like like the
1842
01:37:40.880 --> 01:37:44.640
pm ethos from what I've gathered from speaking to everyone
1843
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:47.000
and just sort of the way they did it seems
1844
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:50.520
to have been a way that I think, sadly probably
1845
01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.520
doesn't exist anymore.
1846
01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:54.520
Isn't possible anymore in the way that they used to
1847
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:54.720
do it.
1848
01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:57.760
Yeah, And well, the other thing is about what you
1849
01:37:57.880 --> 01:37:58.199
just said.
1850
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.880
It's important too about that time period when I did
1851
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:05.279
Final Impact, which was ninety somewhere in ninety one when
1852
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:08.880
we started the production of it. The thing is is
1853
01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:11.720
they weren't you said mentioned straight to video And I
1854
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.159
know that's come like a term for this era and
1855
01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:17.399
these companies, but at that time they were still getting
1856
01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:20.520
their movies in theaters. In fact, we had, you know,
1857
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:25.479
Final Impact had played in Los Angeles and Kathleen and
1858
01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:27.920
I went to see it and I think it was
1859
01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:30.279
Downy or some other but I was playing in two theaters,
1860
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:30.399
you know.
1861
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:32.479
I mean, it was a very limited release, but we
1862
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:33.319
went out there.
1863
01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:34.920
You know, and there was eight people in the seats,
1864
01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:37.840
and you know, we sat and watched Final Impact on
1865
01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:40.000
the big screen and it was great. But this was
1866
01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:42.439
kind of they came into a time where people were
1867
01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:45.319
still trying to get their films in theaters. Once they realized, hey,
1868
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:48.840
we can just go directly to these Blockbuster and VHS rentals,
1869
01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:51.520
and it was quickly it went and shifted in that
1870
01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:54.000
other direction by the time. I mean, I think Three
1871
01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:56.079
Crimes I think did play in a theater as well,
1872
01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:59.560
but you know, it was that shift was quickly happening.
1873
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:00.560
Yeah.
1874
01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:03.760
No, I only say that because you know, when I
1875
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:05.520
was talking to Rick, he was saying, you know, the
1876
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:08.359
big light bulb that went off for them was even
1877
01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:10.359
though they wanted to shoot on thirty five, because like
1878
01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:13.800
you say, they did show up in some theaters, they
1879
01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.119
did have local screenings. They also showed up at film
1880
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:20.760
festivals around the world, and they screened in Asia and
1881
01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:24.399
in Europe and in other countries as big theatrical films.
1882
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:26.720
They just didn't in America in quite the same way.
1883
01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:30.119
But he said he the light bulb moment for them
1884
01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:34.359
was the straight to video model because they wanted to
1885
01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:37.600
distribute their own films yea, But yeah, no, I know
1886
01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:39.840
they screened, and I know I know that they were
1887
01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:42.479
on some cinema screens, but they sort of became known
1888
01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:46.359
as a as a home video company at a certain point.
1889
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:49.920
So you said, yeah, you working with Lorenzo and you were.
1890
01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:53.399
You were talking about obviously his martial arts prowess and
1891
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:55.920
things like that. Talk tell us a few stories about
1892
01:39:55.960 --> 01:40:00.840
working with Lorenzo on on Final Impact and how you
1893
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.880
know his training matched up with your training And I
1894
01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:05.680
don't know whether you helped him or whether he helped
1895
01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:09.399
you anything like that. What was working with Lorenzo and
1896
01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:10.760
by extension, Kathleen, like.
1897
01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:14.840
Well, both of them were very mentorish to me because
1898
01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:17.439
they had already had spent some time, you know, I
1899
01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:21.720
mean they both come from from entertainment families with Arlene
1900
01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:25.119
Dahl and you know, and Dalton and you know, for
1901
01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:28.600
an end of the whole thing. So the their experience
1902
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:30.359
was they were so much more experience than I was
1903
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:31.800
at that point. As a matter of fact, that was
1904
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.000
one thing as an actor that I was continually trying
1905
01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:37.560
to utilize was my I'd never even been to Vegas,
1906
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:39.680
So it was like the whole thing for me as
1907
01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:42.000
an actor was so new and fresh that I was,
1908
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:44.239
and I knew that that was kind of what Danny was,
1909
01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.880
this sort of wide eyed kid that was going into
1910
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:48.439
all this stuff for the first time. So it just
1911
01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:52.640
sort of allowed my experience to play. But Lorenzo was great.
1912
01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:55.600
I love hanging out with them on we were in Vegas.
1913
01:40:55.680 --> 01:40:58.039
We'd spent a lot of time together, Lorenzo, Kathleen and
1914
01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:00.399
I am and Lorenzo and I sparred around few times.
1915
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:03.159
Where he comes from a much more stronger like kadatae
1916
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:06.520
kendo background, so he has a very particular style, which
1917
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:08.800
was great, you know, because mine was much more kung
1918
01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:12.640
fu and tongue sudo and Muay Thai.
1919
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:15.600
And in fact, there's a scene in the.
1920
01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:19.159
Movie where Lorenzo and I it's like where he's kind
1921
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:21.119
of wanting to test himself to see if he's ready
1922
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.359
to fight Jake again, you know, kind of a very
1923
01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:25.439
poignant moment that you don't realize. In the scene, we're
1924
01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.079
on the roof of the sands and he got the
1925
01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:30.239
fire from the mirage across the street in the background,
1926
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:34.760
and Eric Lee was going to who had Art Camacho
1927
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:36.680
with him as an assistant at the time was gonna
1928
01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:39.520
like kind of choreograph a sparring thing, and I said, well,
1929
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.239
how about Lorenzo and I just spar I said, you know,
1930
01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:44.279
he knows how to do it. He fights where he
1931
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.079
comes from. I've been doing it since I was a kid.
1932
01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:48.039
I said, let's just let's just get up there and
1933
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:49.760
we'll spar and we get a couple of little pieces.
1934
01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:51.359
He can come in for some pickups. Because they had
1935
01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:54.159
a very particular way they would shoot fight scenes, you know,
1936
01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:56.720
in this era, you know, that was very interesting.
1937
01:41:57.399 --> 01:41:58.880
But so when you watch the.
1938
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:00.399
Scene with Lorenzo and I on the room, if we're
1939
01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:02.159
actually I just said, was fight a little bit, go
1940
01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:03.880
ahead and just go for it. And we were going
1941
01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:05.880
back and forth and punching and kicking. At one point
1942
01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:08.600
he kicks me and I'm kind of like trying to
1943
01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:10.399
back up away from it, and as it tags me,
1944
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:13.039
I hit the ground and that was totally unintentional, So
1945
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:17.439
we just used it in the scene. But yeah, he's strong.
1946
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:19.479
Lorenzo was as strong. As a matter of fact, I
1947
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:22.000
remember somebody asking me on that set one time. He said, well,
1948
01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:24.199
if you would have pitted all these guys together and
1949
01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:25.039
have them fight, who do.
1950
01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:26.359
You think would be one of the hardest to beat.
1951
01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:27.479
And I said, Lorenzo, He's.
1952
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:30.119
Got such he had such a I felt like he
1953
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:34.920
had such an aggressive style to him and a very
1954
01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:36.039
determined you know.
1955
01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.079
He wasn't like this movie star kid like, No, he
1956
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:42.640
was like he was. He was hardcore man. So but yeah,
1957
01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:43.079
it was great.
1958
01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:45.720
I loved working with him and and then and Kathleen,
1959
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.880
and he really helped me a lot through that experience,
1960
01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:51.880
just because you know about the cues and about showing
1961
01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.600
up on the right at the right time and watching
1962
01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:56.640
the light for your face and this and that, and
1963
01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:57.199
so it was.
1964
01:42:57.399 --> 01:42:57.920
It was great.
1965
01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:00.399
I like both, I have such good experience. We became
1966
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:03.319
great friends after that. I mean, I know, hung out
1967
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.159
with them for years. I was around when he was
1968
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:07.600
getting Renegade started. They would saying, Hey, look at this
1969
01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:09.680
idea we have for the show Renegade. We want to
1970
01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:10.680
pitch over to Stephen J.
1971
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:12.880
Cannell. I was like, oh, that was pretty cool. So
1972
01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:15.000
you know, Lorenzo and Kathleen are grave.
1973
01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:16.880
Nice, very cool, very cool.
1974
01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:33.520
Oh okay, guys, because they appear so often in the
1975
01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:37.640
movie The Fight Crowd. Gotta love The Fight Crowd absolutely fantastic.
1976
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:40.039
Who is your favorite in the fight crowd?
1977
01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:44.079
I haven't answer, but if you want to tie, there
1978
01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:46.880
was a guy that they cut back to countless times,
1979
01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:49.239
no matter which fight it is. Who's sitting sort of
1980
01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:54.800
in the front to the right, who's wearing sunglasses? Yeah guy,
1981
01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:00.239
Because as we talked about Peppin, you know, he had
1982
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:04.159
this moody, smoky dark cinematography and it's dark in there,
1983
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:08.560
and he's wearing sunglasses. It's going before Corey Hart sunglasses
1984
01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:08.960
that night.
1985
01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:10.119
I liked him.
1986
01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:11.359
He was my favorite crowd.
1987
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:12.800
Yeah, he couldn't be beat.
1988
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:16.279
Yeah, well I think I've got to beat Oh. I
1989
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:19.439
think long hair Mustache beats him every time, and twice
1990
01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:23.640
on Thursdays. But with long hand mustache, with the with
1991
01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:26.760
the and he was in every single scene and I
1992
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:29.439
don't know why, but they they put him like center.
1993
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:33.800
So if the crowd is, this whole thing was just
1994
01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:35.319
right in the middle there.
1995
01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:38.520
And while I appreciate you, looked around and found glasses guy.
1996
01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:41.000
And I also on the second watch of this movie
1997
01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:44.039
found glasses guy time. I watched it.
1998
01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:46.239
Mustache hairdo every single time.
1999
01:44:48.399 --> 01:44:52.760
Now we were talking about the Sunshine of Katain Kinmont
2000
01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:56.239
there's a corollary in the character played by Mimi Lessios,
2001
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:01.920
who's the wife of Gerard and and I'm just glad
2002
01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.720
me Me Lesios is here because she ended up starring
2003
01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:06.760
in some movies are some very low bunch of movies
2004
01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:08.600
of her own, like Streets of Rage is.
2005
01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:12.680
At times yea, yeah, Beyond Fear.
2006
01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:15.039
It stars me Me Lessios, So this is sort of
2007
01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:18.640
like early Lessios. And yeah, I mean obviously she's just
2008
01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:20.520
the wife of Gerard. It would have been great to
2009
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:23.840
see her in a fight, maybe with Kinmont because I
2010
01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:26.199
you know, they could both do it. If if there's
2011
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:29.720
one thing this movie is missing, maybe it's that. But
2012
01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:31.079
I was happy to see me Me Lesio.
2013
01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:33.720
Yeah, I see her. I haven't seen it in a while.
2014
01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:38.560
Because all these used to reviews, these old Mini Lesio's movies.
2015
01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.199
And also this movie has something that a lot of
2016
01:45:43.439 --> 01:45:46.760
action movies have, and especially movies like this, which is
2017
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:48.880
an extended training sequence.
2018
01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:54.439
Oh, the montage is in this movie. The montage is
2019
01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:56.800
absolutely delightful.
2020
01:45:57.319 --> 01:45:59.520
Because you know, you don't get to fight Gerard overnight.
2021
01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:03.000
You know, Lamas has to put you through your patient.
2022
01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:07.279
Yeah, we get a we get extended fight montage. Before
2023
01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:11.039
we even leave for Vegas. So we get after the
2024
01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:16.399
melodrama with Kinmont and Lamas by the swimming pool while
2025
01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:19.640
he's grilling something up. But before they go to Vegas,
2026
01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:24.479
we get extended wonderful fight montages with Lamas and Worth
2027
01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:26.159
doing all sorts of stuff in the gym.
2028
01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:29.239
Yeah, this movie wouldn't be complete without that. And it's funny.
2029
01:46:29.359 --> 01:46:31.680
She mentioned the grilling because she says there's like a
2030
01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.039
line of dollar says like, oh, you don't usually grill
2031
01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:40.199
on Tuesdays. That's that's non grill Tuesday, apparently.
2032
01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:43.279
Friday.
2033
01:46:44.039 --> 01:46:49.359
Yeah, so she knows something's up he's grilling on Tuesday.
2034
01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:54.319
Yeah, but I bet you see, I bet Brett.
2035
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:58.479
If you ask anybody's wife or girl or long term girlfriend,
2036
01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:02.239
they would all go no, that rang totally true. If
2037
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:05.520
I came home and my husband was grilling on a Tuesday,
2038
01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:10.239
I'd be like, oh shit, something something gone around the
2039
01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:14.720
world watching that movie when Yep got it. Yeah, I
2040
01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:16.800
think that's what that's. I think that that's exactly.
2041
01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:20.880
I think that's a very observation by the Oh yeah,
2042
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:21.359
oh yeah.
2043
01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:24.680
So yeah definitely oh by Steven Smoke. Yeah, yeah, great,
2044
01:47:26.439 --> 01:47:27.439
it's a great name.
2045
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:28.800
But none of the characters do.
2046
01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:32.720
Well, maybe they didn't want anyone to steal his spine
2047
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:37.079
was Danny Smoke would be kind of cool, right, and
2048
01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:39.880
his observation about the grill is ironic considering his name
2049
01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:43.479
is Stephen Smoke. Yeah right, but yeah, but then you know,
2050
01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:45.840
there was all this antagonism in the beginning where he's
2051
01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:47.680
calling him old man and everything. But then when they
2052
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.439
go to that first gym, he ups this bed with
2053
01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:52.479
the guy from three hundred dollars to two thousand.
2054
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:56.000
Yeah, well that's chewing their drive to Vegas. He said,
2055
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:57.960
you're going to have to prove yourself one more time.
2056
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.079
And how about those shots of them all in the
2057
01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:05.399
car everyone really drove to Vegas. A car with Joe
2058
01:48:05.439 --> 01:48:07.319
and Rick and everyone in it, and then there was
2059
01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:11.479
a car with Lorenzo Kinmont and Worth in it. And
2060
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:13.720
what they would do is that they would pull over,
2061
01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:17.920
stop and shoot a scene of them like driving up
2062
01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:19.800
the road or whatever, and then.
2063
01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:21.159
Carry on driving to Vegas.
2064
01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:23.319
And it's a great thing that PM do to kind
2065
01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:26.520
of make this feel more cinematic, because when you see
2066
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:31.760
that big classic car riding down this long, focused, you know,
2067
01:48:32.159 --> 01:48:35.960
straight road from Los Angeles, to Vegas and that music
2068
01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:38.520
playing John Gonzale is getting to do like some rock
2069
01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:42.880
sacks and driving guitars and stuff like that. I just
2070
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.600
thought to myself, this looks cinematic, This looks this looks
2071
01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:51.279
like and yet all it is is, guys, you drive
2072
01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:54.079
behind us, and when we stop, you stop like and
2073
01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:55.840
then we'll just film you for a bit, get back
2074
01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:58.079
in the cars and keep going because we've all got
2075
01:48:58.119 --> 01:49:03.399
to drive to Vegas anyway. But by doing that, you know, cinematic,
2076
01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.720
it just blows it right, And that's what it is.
2077
01:49:07.199 --> 01:49:10.439
In some lower budget PM films or some films where
2078
01:49:10.439 --> 01:49:13.680
they've spent more money on explosions and things, there aren't
2079
01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:16.960
transition shots, right. You just go from they would go
2080
01:49:17.119 --> 01:49:20.279
from right, we better leave for Vegas to them entering
2081
01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:23.159
the gym where he fights the guy. You know what
2082
01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:29.159
I mean? In this movie, there are transition shots, beautiful
2083
01:49:29.279 --> 01:49:33.279
shots of Los Angeles that Rick Peppin gets through the
2084
01:49:33.399 --> 01:49:36.840
haze and through the smog and with these beautiful pink
2085
01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:41.000
and yellow sunsets, right, just stunning photos of Los Angeles
2086
01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:44.239
that he's getting. And then on this ride to Vegas,
2087
01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.800
he's just blowing it out and making it look beautiful
2088
01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.079
or whatever. Then they have the fight scene where you
2089
01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:54.319
just were talking about the batting, and then you know,
2090
01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:56.000
when he wins the fight and they make all this
2091
01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:59.439
money and Lamis even gives worth a cut of the money.
2092
01:50:00.680 --> 01:50:02.760
They get back in the car and there's more music
2093
01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:04.840
and more car and then it goes into Vegas and
2094
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:07.800
you see the Sands Casino and I'm like, this is
2095
01:50:08.159 --> 01:50:11.680
I mean to me, it just I just saw that elevated.
2096
01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:12.840
The whole dem oh oh, I agree. And it's an
2097
01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:15.039
economic way to do it because they're driving anyway.
2098
01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:15.920
Yeah.
2099
01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:19.319
Yeah, it's cleverly done. It's well done. It opens up
2100
01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:21.319
the movie, like you said, it's not just in these
2101
01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:25.960
little cramped interiors. It gets an open feel. But yeah,
2102
01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:28.000
I mean, but yeah, they're upping the two thousands, upping
2103
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:30.079
the bed to two thousand dollars, which adjusted for inflation,
2104
01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:32.479
is quite closer to like four thousand these days. It
2105
01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:38.159
really it it really It shows that he really believes
2106
01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:42.399
in Danny Davis, you know, and also that scene right
2107
01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:46.880
exactly who but but it it also serves another dramatic
2108
01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:51.920
purpose because after Nick Taylor passes, then that that trainer
2109
01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:54.920
guy kind of fills in as Danny Davis' corner man.
2110
01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:56.880
So it's like, oh, it's a good thing that guy
2111
01:50:56.960 --> 01:50:58.960
is around. It's like, all of a sudden, he's there,
2112
01:50:59.079 --> 01:51:01.880
like with very little to no explanation during the final
2113
01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:05.279
Gerard fights, like, Okay, he's the guy who's now coaching Danny.
2114
01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:08.720
So it definitely made sense for that reason too.
2115
01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:12.000
Right, Yeah, we have to meet him at that point
2116
01:51:12.199 --> 01:51:14.439
because he has to be established that he's going to
2117
01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:18.600
show up. Well, he shows up before the fight in
2118
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:24.239
the Neon Graveyard. That's why he's in town when that's
2119
01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:27.760
why he's in town when Worth fights Gerard at the
2120
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.760
end of the movie, and why he steps in because
2121
01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:32.920
he was there for the Neon Graveyard.
2122
01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:35.319
Fight, right right, and that all makes sense. And also
2123
01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:37.560
if you look at the marquee, which I'm sure you
2124
01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:40.680
guys noticed, it's it. I believe it's at the Sands
2125
01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:43.399
where it says Eric Lee's Kickboxing Championship.
2126
01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:45.840
It does when they first go to the sands at
2127
01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:48.279
the end of that driving sequence that I talked about,
2128
01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:52.039
what they get to the sands and the first sign
2129
01:51:52.119 --> 01:51:53.359
you see says Eric Lees.
2130
01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.439
Yeah, right, because he and for those that might not know,
2131
01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:58.520
he did all the fight choreography on this movie and
2132
01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:01.199
I think other movie. So the fact that that it
2133
01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:04.560
was kind of a nice little shout out, Oh yeah.
2134
01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:04.920
No, I loved it.
2135
01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:07.600
Yeah, it was a little kind of hitchcocky and nod
2136
01:52:09.079 --> 01:52:10.319
to the guy behind the scenes.
2137
01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:12.600
Okay, so now can we talk about the wacky waiter.
2138
01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.159
Yes, well the wacky way that takes. Yeah, so we
2139
01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:18.600
get the Camacho fight right. Oh and by this point,
2140
01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:21.800
lamas just to keep the shirt. Shirt.
2141
01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:26.560
He's wearing a blank denim jacket and his cowboy hat.
2142
01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:30.640
No shirt, yeah, no shirt, no time, no time, no
2143
01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:33.079
time for shut He hasn't had any time between driving
2144
01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:36.439
to Vegas and sitting down by the pool, whereas Kinmont
2145
01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:38.359
has had three costume.
2146
01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:42.560
Changes, she had plenty of time to do that.
2147
01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:46.840
He doesn't do constant changes that. No, no, no, he's like.
2148
01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:49.319
The jacket.
2149
01:52:50.439 --> 01:52:52.239
Yeah, there's a couple of different vests. That's about as
2150
01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:56.279
far as it goes. But uh no, I'm just kidding.
2151
01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:58.079
We don't have to talk about the wacky waiter. But
2152
01:52:58.159 --> 01:52:59.920
I did think that it was funny that the movie
2153
01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:03.760
took the time to have this wacky waiter character who
2154
01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.840
is selling all these different desserts and saying like that, oh,
2155
01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:11.600
the maceadamia nuts will will dance around in your mouth
2156
01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:14.119
and all this stuff. And I thought, and here's all
2157
01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:18.479
these funny sayings for his desserts. And that's something you
2158
01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:20.560
have to love about this movie is that they took
2159
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:23.640
the time to include these quirky, funny characters.
2160
01:53:24.399 --> 01:53:27.840
And I think there's still a part so Smoke co
2161
01:53:28.039 --> 01:53:34.760
directed with Joseph may Right and Joe was.
2162
01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:37.479
You know, his first love was comedy. That's what he
2163
01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:38.199
wanted to write.
2164
01:53:38.359 --> 01:53:40.840
Like the first movie he writes is Hollywood in Trouble,
2165
01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:45.880
which is sort of this wacky comedy, and everyone looked
2166
01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:48.199
at it and went make action films. Nobody wants comedy.
2167
01:53:49.119 --> 01:53:50.239
So occasionally when I.
2168
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:53.800
See a scene like this where it stops, not only
2169
01:53:53.920 --> 01:53:57.439
to me, does it fit into the you're talking about
2170
01:53:57.439 --> 01:54:01.319
Bill Luster earlier, but Phil fit into the Bill Dustig,
2171
01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:06.199
Larry Cohen, Jim wood Orsky, all those guys who were
2172
01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:09.720
making especially Larry Cohen, who always wanted to be a
2173
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:11.760
borsch Belt comedian. I mean he always that's what he
2174
01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:13.680
always wanted to be. Always wanted to be a guy
2175
01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:16.960
doing stand up in the Catskills in the fifties, like
2176
01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:20.640
that's what he always wanted to do. All those guys
2177
01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:24.279
take time out in their movies to have you know, wacky.
2178
01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:29.199
I was just watching Wanorsky joined the other night. Oh yeah,
2179
01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:34.319
I was doing it for the dtv CE podcast. We
2180
01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:42.439
were watching Victim of Desire. We Nsnauser and Mark Singer
2181
01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.880
and Shannon Tweed. We were doing a Shannon Tweed double
2182
01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.479
bill and in the midst of it, my old and
2183
01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:51.359
dearly departed, but my old dear friend Peter Spellas, who
2184
01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:54.920
I absolutely love an a door and was very happy
2185
01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:56.279
to be able to call him a friend for a
2186
01:54:56.319 --> 01:55:00.239
little of his life. He has a scene as sort
2187
01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:05.399
of a wacky mortician and with a little pulley with
2188
01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:06.039
ribs on it.
2189
01:55:07.399 --> 01:55:10.800
Yeah. And that's the reason why I love those directors
2190
01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:12.920
so much. I mean, you mentioned Les dig Cohenna Minorsky.
2191
01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:14.880
I love those directors and that's one of the me too,
2192
01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:18.079
fa Yeah, yeah, me too. And that's part of the
2193
01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:19.079
reason why is.
2194
01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:22.279
You know, but I would I would put Joseph Maye
2195
01:55:22.439 --> 01:55:25.039
in that group now, because very often he would put
2196
01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:26.760
in a little comedy scene.
2197
01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:29.800
And also, you know, I mean, when is this ninety two?
2198
01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:34.760
All right? So uh, it's it's a little pre it's
2199
01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.560
not pre Tarantino. There's been a couple of like kind
2200
01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:40.880
of Tarantino as things that have come out, but not
2201
01:55:41.199 --> 01:55:44.520
enough for this to be influenced. But there is a
2202
01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:48.239
certain thing where I guess they go, well, we've put
2203
01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:50.319
a little bit of sex in there, or sex appeal.
2204
01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:53.000
We've got a whole lot of fights in there. We've
2205
01:55:53.079 --> 01:55:58.560
got the sort of machismo and you know, I've got
2206
01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:01.119
to do it for honor and for you know, revenge
2207
01:56:01.159 --> 01:56:04.600
and for whatever, all that kind of malarchy, and then
2208
01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:07.039
we better throw in like a little comedy scene because
2209
01:56:07.039 --> 01:56:09.479
it's about you know, not only has it been real dark,
2210
01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:13.479
because right before this scene, they're at the fight where
2211
01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:21.079
Gerrard absolutely decimates his opponent, I mean, breaks his back,
2212
01:56:21.279 --> 01:56:25.000
breaks his ribs the headbuts his cock several times.
2213
01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:28.680
It's it's and what's weed is I understand that.
2214
01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:31.319
The whole purpose of that particular scene is to build
2215
01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:35.640
him up as an absolute ruthless bastard, not only to
2216
01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:39.159
be taken down later on, but also to pose just
2217
01:56:39.319 --> 01:56:43.680
what a threat he poses to Lamas to worse to
2218
01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:46.439
everyone in this group, Like this guy is a maniac.
2219
01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:48.960
And what I What was weird was both times I
2220
01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:51.600
watched it, because I kind of watched it last night
2221
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:53.920
and then I watched it today kind of you know,
2222
01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:57.520
fast forwarding some bits but watching other bits just to
2223
01:56:57.640 --> 01:57:00.199
kind of keep my head sharp on the whole thing.
2224
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:04.119
And even today I was watching it and I'm like,
2225
01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:07.960
that's a real I understand that others could laugh at it,
2226
01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:10.560
but that's a real brutal scene.
2227
01:57:10.720 --> 01:57:12.279
Like that hit me every time.
2228
01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.039
It's the same thing with the dramatic scene with Lamas
2229
01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:20.760
and the flashbacks. So those punches look really are real. Yeah,
2230
01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:23.640
so no, they definitely took time with that as well.
2231
01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:26.800
And yeah, and so yeah, when the wacky waiter shows up,
2232
01:57:26.840 --> 01:57:28.199
you're right, it's a palate cleanser.
2233
01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:32.920
It's a breath of fresh air. Guy beaten, probably close
2234
01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:33.359
to death.
2235
01:57:33.800 --> 01:57:35.920
Yeah yeah, so, but you're right, it's a it's a
2236
01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:38.960
total entertainment in that sense where it's like, yeah, we
2237
01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:43.079
have drama, you have comedy, you have action, you have romance.
2238
01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:46.319
I suppose talking about the comedy. What about the the
2239
01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:49.960
second montage in the movie, is that a wacky gambling
2240
01:57:50.079 --> 01:57:53.359
montage where Worth is a wizard, he has a system.
2241
01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:55.840
Yeah, how does he have a system.
2242
01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:57.840
He's never been to Vegas before and all of a
2243
01:57:57.840 --> 01:57:59.079
sudden he has a system.
2244
01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:01.760
True, and he said, oh I'm very good with numbers.
2245
01:58:02.720 --> 01:58:02.880
Wow.
2246
01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:05.800
Okay then but yeah, I love that montage.
2247
01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:07.800
Yeah, that was a lot of fun. It really it's
2248
01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:09.199
like the calm before.
2249
01:58:08.920 --> 01:58:11.279
The storm because then we got the drum sequence.
2250
01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:11.600
Yeah.
2251
01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:13.399
I think that's why they did that. It's like, okay,
2252
01:58:13.439 --> 01:58:16.479
we can also have a little bit of fun here.
2253
01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:18.359
And there's like the pit bosses looking at him like,
2254
01:58:18.399 --> 01:58:20.039
oh I don't like you kid, right.
2255
01:58:20.319 --> 01:58:22.479
Well, there's alsobody that. What's nice about it is it
2256
01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:24.840
also rings true. It's another thing that rings true to
2257
01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:28.399
me is that when you go on a binge, right,
2258
01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:33.159
a bend, an alcoholic spree, right when you're doing something
2259
01:58:33.319 --> 01:58:35.880
like that, it does start. So the first half of
2260
01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:37.039
the montage is all.
2261
01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:37.760
Happy and everything.
2262
01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:40.359
It even ends with you know, Kathy Kim winning some
2263
01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:43.920
money and everyone's smiling and it's all wonderful, right, But
2264
01:58:44.119 --> 01:58:46.960
then there's that point in the evening where the where
2265
01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:49.960
the booze turns, you know what I mean, whether where
2266
01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:52.600
there's always that point and when there's always that bit
2267
01:58:52.640 --> 01:58:54.920
where you have that wondering too many where you're like, Oh,
2268
01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:57.600
shouldn't have had that one, you know, I should have
2269
01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:01.720
stopped it too or whatever to three. And so I
2270
01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:05.079
felt like that whole transition into kind of the dark side,
2271
01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:06.680
from the light side of the moon to the dark
2272
01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:08.760
side of the Moon. I thought it was done really well.
2273
01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:11.640
Oh, I agree, because it's realistic, Like you said, things
2274
01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:14.880
can happen that way, and the fact that it had
2275
01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:19.920
the comedy and the drama and fighting with the emphasis
2276
01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:24.079
and honor and redemption and all that. It definitely reminded
2277
01:59:24.119 --> 01:59:26.720
me of like a Hong Kong film from this time,
2278
01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:29.800
because I am a fan of those like and they
2279
01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:33.079
had those ingredients too. Now words Murkhy and the Gang
2280
01:59:33.239 --> 01:59:36.600
influenced by that, It's unlikely, but you never know. I
2281
01:59:36.640 --> 01:59:38.760
just think it's interesting in parallel, you know, when you
2282
01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:40.279
look at some of the movies coming out of Hong
2283
01:59:40.359 --> 01:59:43.239
Kong at that exact same time in the nineties, and
2284
01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:45.279
I think parallels can be drawn there.
2285
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:50.600
Yeah, but I loved the idea that she would show
2286
01:59:50.680 --> 01:59:54.199
up drunk to his room, yeah, the worst room, and
2287
01:59:54.359 --> 01:59:59.520
then and then Lambas would show up drunk later also
2288
01:59:59.600 --> 01:59:59.960
to work.
2289
02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:00.800
Yeah.
2290
02:00:01.600 --> 02:00:03.640
I thought that was just I thought that was just
2291
02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:08.319
a really nice uh a symmetry. Well, because Paul Worth
2292
02:00:08.359 --> 02:00:11.000
has got to fight the fight of his life tomorrow.
2293
02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:14.520
The fight is life tomorrow. And mum and dad are bickering,
2294
02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:16.119
you know what I mean, And that's what it is.
2295
02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:20.159
It's so like Mum and Dad are drunk. Dad's almost
2296
02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:23.640
made off with a prostitute. Yeah, and Mum is trying
2297
02:00:23.680 --> 02:00:28.840
to make eyes at me. Yeah everything is wrong here. Yeah.
2298
02:00:29.039 --> 02:00:31.880
Well, but Michael Worth, what's interesting, there's a bit of
2299
02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:34.960
foreshadowing to that, to show to show his honor. If
2300
02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:37.079
you remember when he very when the first scene when
2301
02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:40.800
he walks into the that sort of oil wrestling club
2302
02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:43.920
or whatever it is, and the hostess says like, oh,
2303
02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:46.159
you can oil up a woman for twenty bucks, and
2304
02:00:46.199 --> 02:00:47.000
he's like yeah.
2305
02:00:48.279 --> 02:00:52.039
Oh, he's so offended by that. Yeah, it's so funny.
2306
02:00:52.119 --> 02:00:53.560
He's so he's so.
2307
02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:58.399
Squeaky clean, yeah, naive about the whole thing. She's like,
2308
02:00:58.479 --> 02:01:00.239
you can oil up a woman And instead of being
2309
02:01:00.319 --> 02:01:03.960
like that sounds amazing. You've seen the buttocks and boobs
2310
02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:09.960
on these brawls. Credit yeah, credit, Michael, listen to me,
2311
02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:12.399
watch the credits. And then when she says do you
2312
02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:15.159
want to oil up a woman, you just say yes.
2313
02:01:15.560 --> 02:01:17.880
In fact, at any point you say yes to that,
2314
02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:20.239
unless like me, you're happily married, in which case you
2315
02:01:20.279 --> 02:01:21.319
can't say that ever again.
2316
02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:25.199
But parallel to that is then when Kathleen k comes
2317
02:01:25.239 --> 02:01:28.399
on to him, he is a gentleman and doesn't take
2318
02:01:28.439 --> 02:01:30.920
advantage of her, and he kind of puts her to
2319
02:01:31.039 --> 02:01:33.560
the side and puts a blanket over her, and so
2320
02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:35.760
it's like he won't oil up a woman. He won't
2321
02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:37.319
do anything with Kathleen Ky.
2322
02:01:37.640 --> 02:01:42.079
It could also be because he's in love with Lamas, which.
2323
02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:44.000
Would also explain why you wouldn't want to touch a woman.
2324
02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:44.760
You know.
2325
02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:47.960
Well, I wasn't No, I wasn't necessarily saying homosexual love
2326
02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:51.319
with with Lammis. I'm just saying I think I think
2327
02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:53.760
Worth is sort of asexual. But I mean if in
2328
02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:57.119
terms of I agree with that because he's too honorable
2329
02:01:57.239 --> 02:02:01.840
and he's too Ohioan, and he's too squeaky clean and whatever.
2330
02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:05.239
I think after he wins the fight and he levels
2331
02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:09.640
up and gets his power still frame freeze frame at
2332
02:02:09.640 --> 02:02:12.840
the end of the power freeze frame, I think once
2333
02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:15.600
that happens, all bets are off, and I think him
2334
02:02:15.640 --> 02:02:19.680
and are going back to the homestead to play.
2335
02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:23.359
No, I know, I think that is what's gonna happen.
2336
02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:25.880
That's kind of hinted that that might happen, that he
2337
02:02:26.039 --> 02:02:29.000
might kind of take Lamas's place, although she.
2338
02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:34.520
Hugs him like they don't do it. I think two reasons.
2339
02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:36.399
I think, first of all, one of the reasons why
2340
02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:40.039
the end fight is so short, or short comparatively, is
2341
02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:44.319
because the end of the movie is really Lamis's death.
2342
02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:47.840
We understand as an audience that he has to triumph
2343
02:02:47.880 --> 02:02:50.680
over Gerrard to like to power up and get his
2344
02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:53.840
end freeze frame and all the rest of it. But really,
2345
02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:57.479
if we've been invested in this whole thing, the true
2346
02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:00.479
emotional end of the movie is is I'm was saying,
2347
02:03:00.520 --> 02:03:02.920
I just realized on my deathbed, what did he say?
2348
02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:04.880
Did anyone remember or write down what he said?
2349
02:03:05.159 --> 02:03:07.159
I didn't write it down, But he says like, winning
2350
02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:13.199
doesn't mean revenge, it means you guys feel in a blanket.
2351
02:03:13.439 --> 02:03:13.960
Yeah, I don't know.
2352
02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:17.800
I think it's honor over revenge or something more honor.
2353
02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:22.359
But what's interesting, though, let me ask you. I have
2354
02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:25.039
a question for both of you, which is you know
2355
02:03:25.279 --> 02:03:29.159
everyone's saying you know and Gerard is this machine, he'll
2356
02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:31.640
kill you in the ring, and the other trainer says,
2357
02:03:31.640 --> 02:03:33.920
don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. And
2358
02:03:34.039 --> 02:03:36.680
of course we know what happened in the past. Why
2359
02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:41.079
does Lamas do you think agree to the Neon Graveyard fight?
2360
02:03:41.239 --> 02:03:41.319
Now?
2361
02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:46.199
My personal opinion is that it's it's a masochistic sense
2362
02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:48.359
of like I want you to beat me, I want
2363
02:03:48.399 --> 02:03:52.159
you to almost kill me, like like a masochistic impulse.
2364
02:03:52.960 --> 02:03:55.439
I think it's that, But I also think part of
2365
02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:56.119
it is.
2366
02:03:57.600 --> 02:04:00.479
And and Kim Mort says this, it's a certain point
2367
02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:04.199
to worth about seeing the like giddiness in Lambas again
2368
02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:08.319
and seeing like he feels younger now, he feels more
2369
02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:12.640
like the you know, braggadocio of youth, and that he
2370
02:04:12.760 --> 02:04:13.760
can whip.
2371
02:04:15.039 --> 02:04:17.279
I think there's part of it. I don't discount what
2372
02:04:17.359 --> 02:04:17.760
you're saying.
2373
02:04:17.800 --> 02:04:20.880
I do think there's I think Lamas from the moment
2374
02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:25.520
he you know, is not able to uh have sex
2375
02:04:25.600 --> 02:04:27.319
with the prostitute for whatever reason.
2376
02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:29.760
Yeah, which is interesting that they did that, which they
2377
02:04:29.800 --> 02:04:31.840
said he has like a rectile dysfunction, which they kind
2378
02:04:31.840 --> 02:04:34.119
of hint at and she's like, oh, you're no, you're no.
2379
02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:37.279
Champion and she walks out that very interesting. Most movies
2380
02:04:37.279 --> 02:04:39.399
wouldn't go there. And I appreciated the movie for that.
2381
02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:42.359
Well, because it's a few purposes. First of all, it
2382
02:04:42.479 --> 02:04:48.000
says that he only has a rectile function for Kathleen kinmart.
2383
02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:49.319
And yeah, true, yeah, good point.
2384
02:04:49.399 --> 02:04:50.760
Yeah, right, so it does say that.
2385
02:04:51.039 --> 02:04:54.039
It also the get out of jail free is.
2386
02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:58.159
We can take Lamas right up to the line as
2387
02:04:58.239 --> 02:05:02.119
storytellers of being almost about to sleep with the prostitute.
2388
02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:06.479
And because he doesn't, and because we also give Lamas
2389
02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:09.000
a weakness. In other words, he's not able to just
2390
02:05:09.399 --> 02:05:13.560
become massively erected at.
2391
02:05:12.279 --> 02:05:13.199
The drop of a hat.
2392
02:05:14.000 --> 02:05:16.119
It has to be with someone that he truly loves
2393
02:05:17.399 --> 02:05:20.079
that gives him an emotional weakness in a good way.
2394
02:05:20.119 --> 02:05:21.640
And I don't mean weakness in a bad way.
2395
02:05:22.399 --> 02:05:25.840
An emotional softness to him that we haven't seen before,
2396
02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:29.439
and a physical softness. It's the penis.
2397
02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:34.239
Of Lamis's emotions.
2398
02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:37.159
But we give him a little humanity, and I think
2399
02:05:37.239 --> 02:05:41.039
by doing that it means the audience doesn't hate it,
2400
02:05:41.159 --> 02:05:43.079
you know, because at this point the audience is kind
2401
02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:45.399
of Lamas has beaten up the audience a bit with
2402
02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:46.159
what a bastard.
2403
02:05:46.199 --> 02:05:49.279
He's been yea as we talked about, Yeah, because I
2404
02:05:49.319 --> 02:05:52.680
did write down when Kavin Kim sees them training together
2405
02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:54.399
and she says like, oh, I haven't seen him like
2406
02:05:54.479 --> 02:05:56.720
this in a long time, like he's been reinvigorated.
2407
02:05:56.960 --> 02:05:58.600
Yeah, I think he's full of piss and vinegar. I
2408
02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:00.479
think he wants to I think he wants to take
2409
02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:03.479
the crown back. And I think he thinks that Jarard
2410
02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:05.640
is all, you.
2411
02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:09.680
Know, and that's because of Danny Davis. Like you could
2412
02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:11.960
almost say it's because of Danny Davis that he feels
2413
02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:15.239
that way and then gets himself into that completely.
2414
02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:17.720
And I think there's a part of Worth that is
2415
02:06:18.800 --> 02:06:20.680
doing what he's doing and the reason why he says
2416
02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:23.640
that Cathain Kim on I am absolutely fighting tomorrow. There's
2417
02:06:23.640 --> 02:06:25.000
no way you can stop me kind of thing.
2418
02:06:25.199 --> 02:06:27.000
Maybe he feels guilty that, Yes.
2419
02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:30.359
I think I think the whole the whole end of
2420
02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:36.079
this movie is we redeem everybody that needs redeeming, Like
2421
02:06:36.840 --> 02:06:40.640
Worth gets redeemed and from his guilt, and Lammis gets
2422
02:06:40.720 --> 02:06:45.960
redeemed from his quest or vengeance or whatever, he gets
2423
02:06:46.039 --> 02:06:47.880
redeemed from his quest.
2424
02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:51.359
For exactly this movie is working on all those level
2425
02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:54.119
sets it apart from just your stupid beat him up.
2426
02:06:54.359 --> 02:06:56.239
There's so much to talk about here. And I did
2427
02:06:56.319 --> 02:07:00.760
write I did write down Redemption, Revenge, Renewal, Vigoration or
2428
02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:01.560
the four rs.
2429
02:07:01.800 --> 02:07:04.640
Well, because it's what's interesting is it's a love triangle.
2430
02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:10.880
It's it's a mother and father parallel. It's a you know,
2431
02:07:11.079 --> 02:07:14.359
fish out of water with can't teach old dog new
2432
02:07:14.399 --> 02:07:15.720
tricks story.
2433
02:07:16.479 --> 02:07:19.920
Uh you know, it's it's a rocky underdog thing.
2434
02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:21.079
You know.
2435
02:07:21.239 --> 02:07:25.279
It's so yeah, yeah, but it pulls.
2436
02:07:25.079 --> 02:07:25.680
Them all off.
2437
02:07:26.159 --> 02:07:28.479
Like that's the reason why I'm saying this is not
2438
02:07:28.640 --> 02:07:31.159
to be like, well they shoot for the moon and
2439
02:07:31.279 --> 02:07:34.159
only reach you know, Wyoming or whatever. No, they they
2440
02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:36.520
I think in this one they shoot for the moon
2441
02:07:36.680 --> 02:07:38.279
and they shoot past it.
2442
02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:41.239
Yeah, no, I agree, and a yeah, the synthesis of
2443
02:07:41.279 --> 02:07:46.840
all those elements, mainly because of Stephen Smoke's screenplay is
2444
02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:48.079
successful in all that.
2445
02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:51.359
And Gonzalez is score.
2446
02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:54.159
I mean, Gozales is school, and there's it's funny because
2447
02:07:54.199 --> 02:07:57.760
there are you know, there are some scores on PM
2448
02:07:57.840 --> 02:07:59.840
entertainment films where you watch them and you go, okay,
2449
02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:00.359
I get it.
2450
02:08:00.439 --> 02:08:03.319
They only had money for a keyboard and a drummers
2451
02:08:03.600 --> 02:08:03.880
or whatever.
2452
02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:06.079
Right, And that's fine and it is what it is.
2453
02:08:06.520 --> 02:08:09.079
But there are some scores, you know, Steel Frontier I.
2454
02:08:09.119 --> 02:08:12.359
Talk about all the time because it's just absolutely fantastic.
2455
02:08:13.159 --> 02:08:15.760
But then this one I would put like if if
2456
02:08:16.720 --> 02:08:19.319
And we've been saying this, me and Corey Danner who's
2457
02:08:19.319 --> 02:08:21.960
writing the book on PM and wrote the book on
2458
02:08:22.199 --> 02:08:25.720
fandam's director Sheldon Leeditch, Cory Danner and I talk about
2459
02:08:25.720 --> 02:08:28.079
this all the time, but we want the soundtrack, the
2460
02:08:28.199 --> 02:08:30.920
PM Entertainment Soundtrack album and I.
2461
02:08:31.880 --> 02:08:34.840
Oh my god, as a vinyl collector and CD collector,
2462
02:08:34.880 --> 02:08:36.199
I would be so on board.
2463
02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:38.760
For that, wouldn't you. Wouldn't that be amazing? Like just
2464
02:08:38.880 --> 02:08:41.720
think of like Shotgun of Jones Midnight.
2465
02:08:43.079 --> 02:08:45.359
Oh yeah, note are two of our favorite songs, right Ty,
2466
02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:52.840
absolutely the Shotgun of Jones or the other one Warrior.
2467
02:08:53.560 --> 02:08:56.720
Yeah, it's by the same artist as well. Who appears
2468
02:08:56.960 --> 02:09:03.479
in one of the one of the Chance series is.
2469
02:09:04.279 --> 02:09:07.079
That Rouge that's how you pronounce it.
2470
02:09:07.680 --> 02:09:13.840
He plays the Native American character in the John's film Jacobs.
2471
02:09:14.439 --> 02:09:17.159
Oh, and he comes back.
2472
02:09:17.199 --> 02:09:19.920
I think he's in the other two Chance movies as well.
2473
02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:23.600
I know who you're talking about Oh God, his name
2474
02:09:23.640 --> 02:09:25.399
is slipping in my mind, but I know who you're
2475
02:09:25.399 --> 02:09:29.960
talking about. And but that would be good. Well, there
2476
02:09:30.039 --> 02:09:34.319
is a CD of Steve McClintock songs, and he's sort
2477
02:09:34.319 --> 02:09:37.840
of like the AIP equivalent. I mean, he did a
2478
02:09:37.880 --> 02:09:40.920
lot of great songs of the Action International Pictures And
2479
02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:45.359
if you ever finish with your PM obsession, you might
2480
02:09:45.399 --> 02:09:47.039
want to move on to a IP because they did
2481
02:09:47.119 --> 02:09:52.720
some amazing work stuff there. But but yeah, so if
2482
02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:55.279
they can make a Steve McLintock CD, they can definitely
2483
02:09:55.319 --> 02:09:57.680
make a John Gonzales CD or Finyl.
2484
02:09:58.560 --> 02:10:00.800
Yeah, I would want some Gonzales there. I'd want some
2485
02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:05.199
Jim Halfpenny on there. Yeah, there's there's lots of stuff.
2486
02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:08.800
And and you know, the more the more time I
2487
02:10:09.399 --> 02:10:14.000
spend watching PM films, what I'm what I'm enjoying more
2488
02:10:14.079 --> 02:10:16.840
than anything is that, you know, because I'm sixty five
2489
02:10:16.960 --> 02:10:20.119
movies in now, sixty six movies out of whatever they've done,
2490
02:10:20.239 --> 02:10:23.720
like ninety or whatever, ninety five or whatever they ended
2491
02:10:23.800 --> 02:10:28.439
up doing, the fact that I'm still being surprised, the
2492
02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:31.159
fact that I'm still being overjoyed, the fact that I'm
2493
02:10:31.239 --> 02:10:35.119
still being you know, thoroughly entertained like all of those things.
2494
02:10:35.239 --> 02:10:37.520
Not that I don't expect to be, but you also
2495
02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:39.560
expect to become a nerd a little bit to it,
2496
02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:41.800
and just sort of softened a little little too.
2497
02:10:41.800 --> 02:10:43.600
It's a great feeling.
2498
02:10:44.359 --> 02:10:45.680
Yeah, but it's fantastic.
2499
02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:46.760
These movies are great.
2500
02:10:47.720 --> 02:10:50.920
You didn't expect to be headbutted in the cross today, no,
2501
02:10:51.960 --> 02:10:52.199
like that.
2502
02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:56.800
That was like I understand that that was meant to be, like, oh,
2503
02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:00.119
this will be like a funny ending move, like like
2504
02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:01.960
a beat him up on a computer thing or whatever.
2505
02:11:02.199 --> 02:11:06.560
But to me, I was like Jesus, like, please leave
2506
02:11:06.600 --> 02:11:07.239
the full.
2507
02:11:07.760 --> 02:11:10.399
Low and and just to go back to what you're
2508
02:11:10.399 --> 02:11:14.960
saying before. There's there's a lot of great Vegas landmarks
2509
02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:19.199
and cinematography once they get to Vegas. And I did
2510
02:11:19.359 --> 02:11:21.680
want to mention. I mean, I don't know if this
2511
02:11:21.760 --> 02:11:23.359
is burying the lead here, but Ty and I have
2512
02:11:23.479 --> 02:11:25.079
both been to the Neon Graveyard.
2513
02:11:25.239 --> 02:11:26.039
Yes, we went there.
2514
02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:28.479
Well fantastic. What was it like, guys?
2515
02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:31.279
It was actually really amazing, very hot.
2516
02:11:32.840 --> 02:11:35.680
But Ty, you have a bit of an anecdote, a
2517
02:11:35.800 --> 02:11:36.920
short one about this.
2518
02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:40.399
Well we went so okay, So I asked the tour
2519
02:11:40.520 --> 02:11:43.840
guide do you know about Final Impact, they had a
2520
02:11:43.880 --> 02:11:45.199
fight seeing Neon Graveyard.
2521
02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:49.640
He said, what, they didn't even know that they shot
2522
02:11:49.720 --> 02:11:50.319
this movie there?
2523
02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:52.439
Really no, I have no idea.
2524
02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:55.479
Well maybe maybe p of Entertainment didn't tell them.
2525
02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:01.000
Yeah, well maybe not. But what it's funny about this
2526
02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:05.600
is how when Gerard says, like, okay, a fight you
2527
02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:07.600
and me at the Neon Graveyard, it just kind of
2528
02:12:07.600 --> 02:12:11.000
says that almost like apropos of nothing, which is very
2529
02:12:11.079 --> 02:12:13.560
funny if we've actually been to the Neon Graveyard, because
2530
02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:16.920
the Neo Graveyard is actually a museum, Like it's basically
2531
02:12:16.960 --> 02:12:19.239
a museum. So that would be like if someone like
2532
02:12:19.319 --> 02:12:24.760
this killer, brutal punch fighting guy said you me at the.
2533
02:12:24.880 --> 02:12:26.359
Louver, Yeah, let's meet.
2534
02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:31.640
It's like it's picking a museum for a seeing, which
2535
02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:33.760
I thought is funny. But if anyone who ever goes
2536
02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.840
to Vegas should definitely go to the Neon Museum because
2537
02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:39.319
it is really cool. Yeah, and also there's a lot
2538
02:12:39.359 --> 02:12:41.960
of scenes in the Mirage is where we stayed. And uh,
2539
02:12:42.119 --> 02:12:46.039
there's even a scene in early in the when they
2540
02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:48.680
first get to Vegas where he said where Lama says
2541
02:12:48.720 --> 02:12:53.000
to Danny Davis, oh, the volcano at the Mirage is
2542
02:12:53.039 --> 02:12:55.239
starting in five minutes and he goes it is uh
2543
02:12:55.760 --> 02:12:58.000
and then just to show kind of like his naive
2544
02:12:58.119 --> 02:13:00.520
take because you know people might not you know, the
2545
02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:04.960
Fipolagio has the fountains, the mirage has this volcano which
2546
02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:08.119
I saw and is really cool too, and it's I
2547
02:13:08.199 --> 02:13:11.000
can feel the heat, and it's like this sort of
2548
02:13:11.039 --> 02:13:13.239
show the type thing they do outside of the mirage
2549
02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:17.880
and then later on their training and in the background
2550
02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:20.720
you can see the Mirage volcano. So it's almost like
2551
02:13:20.840 --> 02:13:22.920
it goes from when he's kind of playing off his
2552
02:13:23.039 --> 02:13:26.520
naivete to the point where he says, hit me, punch me,
2553
02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:28.479
give me everything you got, and in that in that
2554
02:13:28.640 --> 02:13:32.159
scene you can see the Mirage volcano in the background.
2555
02:13:32.680 --> 02:13:32.840
Oh.
2556
02:13:33.000 --> 02:13:36.880
I mean the photography throughout the movie is fantastic, But
2557
02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:41.600
I think Vegas has a special place in Joan Rick's hop.
2558
02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:43.840
But it just reminds me of some of the wings
2559
02:13:43.880 --> 02:13:45.600
Hauser movies.
2560
02:13:45.359 --> 02:13:47.479
That are Living Die.
2561
02:13:47.520 --> 02:13:50.880
There's some great Vegas footage in that film and one
2562
02:13:50.920 --> 02:13:56.600
of my personal favorites, Dancer Die, that has some good
2563
02:13:56.680 --> 02:13:58.439
Vegas stuff in it. So yeah, well so.
2564
02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:04.800
Munchkin who directed Down So Die as a professional gambler Vegas.
2565
02:14:05.439 --> 02:14:07.600
Oh well say that would explain a Vegas connection. So
2566
02:14:07.880 --> 02:14:10.760
but yeah, there's a lot of great Vegas stuff, you know,
2567
02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:14.039
just the way it's shot and the locations are great.
2568
02:14:14.079 --> 02:14:15.880
And I love that these that he had graveyard and
2569
02:14:17.239 --> 02:14:19.880
that was just really cool and and a little funny
2570
02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:21.800
because he says I'm going to fight you basically at
2571
02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:22.239
the museum.
2572
02:14:22.399 --> 02:14:23.119
It is kind of funny.
2573
02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:28.359
And another little tidbit about me, the first city or
2574
02:14:28.399 --> 02:14:31.399
the first place I ever landed in America as an
2575
02:14:31.399 --> 02:14:35.239
immigrant was Nevada, Las Vegas, Nevada, and I lived in
2576
02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:37.520
Las Vegas for the first eighteen months that I lived
2577
02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:38.039
in America.
2578
02:14:39.399 --> 02:14:41.199
So you're just like Joseph Murray.
2579
02:14:41.760 --> 02:14:45.560
I am, Yes, I am, I am. You know, I'm
2580
02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:52.239
just not as impressive here is entrepreneurial or wonderful.
2581
02:14:53.960 --> 02:14:56.479
But just since you have the Blu Ray in front
2582
02:14:56.520 --> 02:14:58.279
of you, just I don't want to get too wonky
2583
02:14:58.319 --> 02:15:00.479
about this, but what does it say the run time
2584
02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:01.920
is on the Blu Ray?
2585
02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:06.560
Because now you're asking me something, I'm trying to read
2586
02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:12.279
it in German as well. Well, I don't think it
2587
02:15:12.359 --> 02:15:15.279
has it on the back of the it has it's
2588
02:15:15.319 --> 02:15:20.760
full HD tts. Oh, the Blu ray is one hundred minutes.
2589
02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:22.720
The DVD is ninety seven minutes.
2590
02:15:23.319 --> 02:15:25.960
M okay, that's interesting. The only reason why I ask
2591
02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:29.760
is that I've I got a couple of different running times.
2592
02:15:29.880 --> 02:15:32.840
They're very slight differences. But on the tape, on the
2593
02:15:32.920 --> 02:15:36.000
VHS tape it says ninety nine minutes. On the VHS
2594
02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:38.760
box this is ninety seven minutes. And then just from
2595
02:15:38.840 --> 02:15:40.760
my own timing of it, I think it's like ninety
2596
02:15:40.800 --> 02:15:44.199
eight pre credits. So in case there's people out there
2597
02:15:44.239 --> 02:15:46.079
that care about that or what things that might have
2598
02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:47.960
been cut from the movie, I just want to see
2599
02:15:48.199 --> 02:15:50.319
if the Blu ray matches the VHS in terms of
2600
02:15:50.359 --> 02:15:52.359
the running time more or less.
2601
02:15:52.439 --> 02:15:55.960
I mean it's ninety nine minutes. Yeah, It's all I
2602
02:15:56.159 --> 02:15:59.920
know is that what Claudio is working off is print.
2603
02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:04.399
So not only did PM films play on the big
2604
02:16:04.479 --> 02:16:07.079
screen in other countries, right, so in Asia and Europe
2605
02:16:07.119 --> 02:16:12.119
and other places, they were theatrical films, but also they
2606
02:16:12.399 --> 02:16:18.039
always played all the film markets and film festivals, so
2607
02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:20.279
they played they would play like the market at cann
2608
02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:22.279
and they would do the AFI and all that kind
2609
02:16:22.319 --> 02:16:22.720
of stuff.
2610
02:16:23.199 --> 02:16:26.920
So and around the world as well.
2611
02:16:26.960 --> 02:16:29.439
They would do you know, film festivals in Dubai and
2612
02:16:29.520 --> 02:16:33.040
places as well, like George Shamir, their overseas sales agent
2613
02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:36.319
would basically do all the traveling while they were making
2614
02:16:36.360 --> 02:16:40.840
all the movies, and so there were prints out there.
2615
02:16:41.639 --> 02:16:43.440
They don't know where the negatives are, but there are
2616
02:16:43.479 --> 02:16:48.399
prints out there. So Cloudio is working with the prince. Again,
2617
02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:50.680
they don't know where the negatives are because when PM
2618
02:16:50.799 --> 02:16:54.440
was sold, it was just sold wholesale and wheck Joseph
2619
02:16:54.520 --> 02:16:55.120
left with nothing.
2620
02:16:55.840 --> 02:16:59.680
Well, you know, that's unfortunately not uncommon. There's a lot
2621
02:16:59.719 --> 02:17:04.000
of these where the prints are basically are they're unknown
2622
02:17:04.079 --> 02:17:08.559
as to where they are, and discovering film print is
2623
02:17:09.319 --> 02:17:12.280
something that people are out there looking for like Viniger
2624
02:17:12.319 --> 02:17:16.280
Syndrome and other people. They're working on film preservation as
2625
02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:19.239
far as the actual prince of the movie. So yeah,
2626
02:17:19.680 --> 02:17:21.799
sadly that's not an uncommon story.
2627
02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:25.520
So the person who wrote a shotgun of Joones's song
2628
02:17:25.760 --> 02:17:29.440
at Midnight Warrior and who was in the way, he
2629
02:17:29.520 --> 02:17:34.000
was in Shotgun, but he was also in the La Heat,
2630
02:17:34.159 --> 02:17:38.440
Angels of the City, l A Wece and Chance run
2631
02:17:38.520 --> 02:17:42.360
of John Chance Films which star and we're also I
2632
02:17:42.440 --> 02:17:44.840
think Angels of the City was directed by Lawrence Hilton
2633
02:17:44.959 --> 02:17:48.280
Jacobs and Angels of the City what a phenomenal film,
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Absolutely fantastic. That'll be coming up soon on the PM
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Entertainment podcast. Actually we've got that planned. But he wrote
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the soundtrack to Midnight Warrior Shotgun and his name is
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Jasterio Coviare.
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Yes, yes, thank you for that would have driven me crazy,
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so I'm glad you brought that up.
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Yeah, but Gonzales does the score here, and how about
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that freeze frame fist pup over the closing credits, the
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saxophone just comes wailing in and does not quit.
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I get that.
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Yeah, No, it's great, and it's almost would have been
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weird if they didn't do a freeze frame. It's like,
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you know, a freeze frame. It's like if it would
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have been totally satisfying if there wasn't a freeze frame.
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It's like it's made for a freeze frame.
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Almost like when Michael Worth the end of their his
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second fight with Gary Daniels when he gets taught the
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lesson and he goes up to Lorenzo Lamis and it goes,
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so when do we start then? And Lorenzo goes we
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already have, already had.
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If he hadn't have said.
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We already have, you would have been so disappointed, Like
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it's the only answer you want as an action fan
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watching the movie.
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Absolutely, and that's what's good about this movie, if we're
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going to put a capra on things, is that it
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delivers what you want. It hits, hits those sweet spots you.
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Know, Yeah, Tyler, as we're wrapping it up, then favorite scenes,
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favorite moments, favorite lines, anything jumping out to you.
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Yeah, Neon Greveguard favorite seam definitely, because you know we've
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been there, and you.
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Finally get kind of the Lorenzo because you kind of
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get you get Lorenzo fighting with Worth, and then you
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get with Worth, and then you get Lorenzo fighting with Girard,
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so you kind of get the Lambas fights.
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You want exactly. That's what I wanted and delivered. Yeah,
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And of course the Oily women in the beginning of.
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Course, right, everyone's favorite scene in the movie, right and start. Joseph.
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Joseph when this movie came out, probably said to Rick,
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if only we had focused more on the Oily women,
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we might have had a hit.
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Well. Yeah, so.
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I guess if I'm getting that same question. Then sorry,
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I know, you know, it's it's hard to pick just.
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One, but I mean, yeah, I'm happy to have more
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than one.
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I mean, all I would say is like the scenes
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with the with the interesting side characters, like I said,
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the Gerard's Gerard's coach slash cornerman and the wacky waiter,
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and and I appreciate that the movie went there as
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I was saying, and and the fights are pretty bone crunching,
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and you and you know, you have the themes of
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honor and redemption and drama and kind of the whole package.
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It's just kind of it really came together. And I
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appreciated that.
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Better on rewatch sixteen years later.
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Oh, definitely better. It makes me want to go back
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and rewrite the whole review. But but yeah, I mean
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I would suggest it to people, even people that aren't
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familiar with PM. I'd say, you've never seen a PM
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movie or only a few, this is a great one
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to start with.
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Yeah, so this goes definitely into the list of movies
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to show a PM new b. Yeah, I would say
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this one. I would say Last Man Standing, and I
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would say Steel Frontier. I think you could send now
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Steel Frontier you would at least have to know the genre.
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I guess you would at least have to know the
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sort of post apocalyptic mad Max Italian, you know, Attack
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the Bronx or whatever, those kind of things, Escape the
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Bronx or whatever.
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Those kind of movies. You have to at least know that.
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But I still think you could probably show people Steal
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Frontier and they get they'd get the idea it's.
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A Western, And I agree because for whatever reason, that
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has like definitely more of a professional, almost mainstream look
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to it.
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Right, That's what I mean. This one, Steel Frontier and
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Last Man Standing. I think you could show it in
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a movie theater and people be be like, where's this movie?
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Bin Omel. I think people watch him be like, how
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do we not know about this?
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And Steel Frontier has Chicken Boy.
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The Chicken Boy is the best.
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Yeah, so you know, yeah, well that is Brian Huckerberg. Yeah,
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02:22:16.799 --> 02:22:22.399
if you Culture Cafe follow him on YouTube and Instagram
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02:22:23.040 --> 02:22:26.079
for movie reviews, physical media collections.
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Yeah he's a really nice guy.
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02:22:27.840 --> 02:22:32.079
Yeah, great guy. Yeah, Brian. Oh he's sweet, sweetest, the best.
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I agree with everyone. I think this is as I said,
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it's I'm not a big fight guy. Fight film guy.
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So this has gone right into my like top three
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of all time fight films. I absolutely loved it. It's
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certainly shooting into my top ten, top fifteen of pmn'
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stavment films. I don't know. I haven't gone back to
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my list yet or rated this movie or anything yet,
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but I've got to imagine it's going to fall somewhere
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in the top ten, top twelve of my PM entertainment
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films because I absolutely loved it. This was one of
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those where I was like, oh this is I had
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no idea this movie was still out there waiting for me.
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It was such a lovely surprise. Yeah, Ty, any ratings
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or anything that you want, any final words? Ratings?
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Not in this time? Well how do you enjoy it?
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You know?
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C I A one and two. Have you done those yet?
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We haven't done those yet.
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No, So that's some more Lama Lama's uh greatness waiting
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for you.
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We had O. J. Simpson in the first It is true.
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I mean I've watched both of them, and what my
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favorite thing is it says something. There's a great quote
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on the on the poster for one of them that
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02:23:53.479 --> 02:23:58.440
says Kennathleen Kinman is the next female Arnold Schwartzenegger. And
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I'm like, who's the other female Arnold Schwarzenegger, Because if
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you say the words she's the new one, there must
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have been one, the first one. Who's the first one.
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02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:12.760
What they mean is she's the new Arnold Schwarzenegger. But
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she's female, right, that's what they mean.
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02:24:15.920 --> 02:24:20.239
Right, Maybe they're talking about Mimi Lasios. They need to
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be more specific.
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I guess maybe they're a big left.
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There is a very small like kind of asterisk.
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It's like, we mean me Lasio's. It's like, yeah, we
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or we mean Cynthia Rothrae. And they could be a
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somewhat of a reference to or Karen Shepherd. Yeah, yeah,
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for sure, there's a few.
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But for her to be like the new Femalezeger, I'm like,
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was that other female?
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And plus that's not much of a comment on her femininity.
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I mean, you know, but she is.
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Badass in Part two, so that that that little fight
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scene she has in the grocery store at the beginning
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02:24:58.879 --> 02:24:59.200
is great.
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02:24:59.440 --> 02:25:01.559
Oh no, in her action scenes, she can she can
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really fight. She has really good physicality and that should
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have been shown off a bit more, not just in
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PM but just in general.
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And of course Lama's directed Part two.
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So ah interesting, all good.
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02:25:14.079 --> 02:25:16.840
Well, brett Ty, thanks ever so much for joining us
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on this. I told you we'd get to the nitty
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02:25:19.360 --> 02:25:24.200
and the gritty final impact film. I had to, dude,
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02:25:24.239 --> 02:25:26.440
I had to do this justice because I had to
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do this relentless justice as it turned out, because I
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02:25:30.639 --> 02:25:33.159
loved it so much and it was such a wonderful surprise.
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And I'm glad we got to give everyone their props
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because they all deserve it.
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Yes, yes, and I'm glad we could have been hero
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02:25:40.760 --> 02:25:44.040
and we're here for this episode. So so thanks for
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02:25:44.159 --> 02:25:44.559
having us.
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We will have you back. Everyone go listen to the show.
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Everyone read their blog and all the best fellas you
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02:25:51.559 --> 02:26:05.680
Thank you so much. Podcast The
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