Invaders From Mars | Creation Looks Back at Over 50 Years of Partnership | #129

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Hey, everyone, welcome to the Creation Entertainment Podcast. I'm Kit
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Bowen and we've got a great show for you today.
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First up, our co CEO A Adam Allen and myself
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discussed the original nineteen fifty three Invaders from Mars and
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the influence of the movie and its director William camer Menzies,
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which actually inspired the nineteen eighty six take by director
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Tobe Hooper. Then co founders Gary Berman and Adam take
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a look back with a slideshow of memories from Creation's
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nearly fifty five year history. Wow, it's been a long time,
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but they have put out some wonderful, wonderful entertainment for
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us all, so definitely check it out, like subscribe, do
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all that fun stuff below let us know, and stay
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tuned for more. Take care.
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Hi, everyone, welcome to the Creation Entertainment Pop Culture Cinema Squad.
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I'm Adam Alan, joined as always by my illustrious co
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host and it's Kit Pohen.
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Hello everybody, Hey.
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Kidd okay, and Kit. Today we have a very special segment.
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We're going to be doing a comparent contrast of a
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wonderful sci fi property called Invaders from Mars. Now I
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grew up to the original film, but evidently you weren't
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familiar with this property until pretty recently. Correct.
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Yes, and I think this is something that's very near
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and dear to your heart, so I'm excited to hear
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your opinions about it.
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Well. I think that there's a generation of Ulsters like
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me that grew up with the original film and we're
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probably terrified by it, especially when we were kids. And
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then a middle generation that saw the remake by Toby
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Hooper and may or may not have liked that. I mean,
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I think it's a pretty novel film, and then a
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newer generation that might not be familiar with the property
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at all. So this will be hopefully a reminiscence for
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some of you and an education for others of you.
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Levy just kind of if I may, sort of set
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up the plot of Invaders from Mars. It involves a
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young boy, David MacLean, who witnesses a UFO landing in
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the backyard behind his home, and he discovers that aliens
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are taking over the townspeople, including his parents, which is
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pretty shocking, and he tries to alert the Throat, but
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unfortunately they don't believe him until thankfully, the military finally intervenes.
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Now the original version by the Great William Cameron Menzies,
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which is the one that I revere and which we'll
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be talking mostly about from nineteen fifty three. It focuses
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on fear, paranoia, invasion. It kind of reflects Cold War
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anxieties about communism and the law autonomy, and those are
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amazing metaphors to put into this science fiction context. Toby
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Hooper's nineteen eighty six version kind of recreates superficially the
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same storyline, but it's some more action oriented, special effects
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heavy approach, which is more kind of adventure than allegory.
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The remake also adds humor and self awareness and is definitely,
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I think a loving, if somewhat misguided homage. The original
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is very earnest and dream like and deals deeply in metaphors. Yeah,
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so let's just frame the two kit the fifty three
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version kind of a the Karthi era.
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Yeah, I mean, it definitely comes at a time when, yeah,
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that there was a lot of fear about communism, about
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the you know, the red wave or whatever coming through,
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and so this sort of taps into that, but it
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also kind of explores how little we knew about you know,
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outer space basically and the other planets, and is their
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life one of these other planets. So it kind of
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takes a lot from that. I thought the original the
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nineteen fifty three was very sort of kind of advanced
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for its time as far as the science.
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Yeah, I mean nineteen fifty three actually also kind of
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gets ahead of most of the sci fi alien UFO
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trend to get the.
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Four invasions of the body snatchers, which I felt it was,
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you know, similar to as far as.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, before Forbidden Planet, I believe
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before this Island Earth, although I think that Day the
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Earth Stood still predates both of them. Yeah. Yeah, But
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I do love in the original that David's disbelief of
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what he's saying by adults kind of symbolizes this loss
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of trust and authority, and that there's a kind of
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a dreamlike or nightmare like state to the whole work,
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which is versus the Toby Hooper remake, which really plays
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it more playfully.
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And literally he's a little cheesier.
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Now, the fifty three production, for those of you that
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haven't seen and go out and see it. It's really amazing.
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It is stylized, almost surial production design by one of
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the great film directors and production designers, William Cameron Menzies,
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who cut his teeth decades earlier, and we'll talk a
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bit about him. But these long corridors, eerie lighting, minimalist
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sets creates this dreamlike quality, somewhat like some of the
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German Bauhaus and industrial film styles of the mid twentieth century.
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And there were simple special effects that are still effective
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with lots of matte paintings and some practical effects. I
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know we're talking about it, but there are aliens in
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the original that are kind of doofy looking and sort
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of take a little bit away from the suspension of disbelief,
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although kind of the rest of it you can buy
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into pretty darn good, if not for those silly looking aliens.
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The eighty six version of the Hand features modern firs
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time creature effects by the late great and I do
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mean great, Stan Winston. Are beloved Stan who is a
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fixture at many of our creation at Fangoria shows and
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of course has dazzled the world with creatures from Jurassic Park,
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Terminator and many other productions. Read It's some interesting creatures
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and the supreme Martian intelligence, but the Toby Hooper version
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kind of loses the eerie minimalism of the original.
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Yeah, so the original. I mean it's funny because you know,
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if you watch it like I did for the first time,
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it does give that sort of be sci fi film
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of you know, feeling at first and the dialogue still
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to the people are all, you know, very stilted. But
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the more I hear you talk about it, the more
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I start thinking about it. And you're right, it is.
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It's ahead of its time, you know. I mean, if
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you get past the silliness of some of the dialogue
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and whatnot, and and kind of just zone in on
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the production value and also what it's trying to say.
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And some of these characters in the film, the two
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main characters who have to help this little boys, Yes,
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but certainly the character doctor Kelston, he's the one who
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kind of explains, he gives us the sort of low
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down on what they think about what could happen. What
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you know, other planets might have, you know, life on
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and for them, because it's Mars specific, they're saying, yeah,
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life on the surface of Mars may not be inhabitable,
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but if you live underground. Maybe you can have a
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whole you know, a whole.
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Yeah. I mean again, I think that the original is
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more of an allegory. It's a Cold War paranoid does study.
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But there are a lot of interesting facts between the
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two films, one of which is that the young man
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that played David in the original film, Jimmy Hunt, appears
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in a cameo role as the police chief some of
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you might not know in the eighty six remake. And
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I mean David in the original he's sort of wide
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eyed and innocent, and the tone of the film is
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very serious and suspenseful. But David in the eighty six
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version is kind of more outspoken, resourceful, and it kind
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of feels more like an eighties adventure film like E. T. Goody, Yeah,
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something more like that. Yeah. Absolutely.
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I also kind of like in the original David's father,
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it's a scientist of some kind of working for some
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sort of super secret project or something, and I guess
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they sort of allude to that a lot in it.
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But I love how at the very beginning, you know,
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David is very inquisitive and he loves looking at the stars,
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and so he's very you know, he's up like minded
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of his dad and his dad's like.
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But I think it's pretty terrifying how the parents are
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taken over by the aliens, and this idea that your
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parents can become adversaries to you and become hostile and
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not even really know you. I think it goes to
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a very very deep rooted paranoia that we have as kids.
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Yeah, oh yeah.
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The ending of the film, it ends ambiguously. David wakes
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up as if the whole problem is dream has been
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a dream, but then he watches the UFO landing again,
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which creates this loop of fear or sort of a
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profet or that the film the Dream was a prophetic vision.
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But I think the remake sort of you know, it
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does end with that same riff, but seems more playful
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and self reverential and less haunting than the film, sort
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of existential dread.
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Right, how old were you when you first saw it?
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Well, I'm going to guess I was maybe about ten.
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Now did it freak you out?
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Yeah? It they freaked me out. Well, because in the
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movie they take over, they take us over by putting
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in the back of our next which is whenever there's
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something in the back of your neck, it's terrifying. Just
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like the Invaders TV series, they get that thing and
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they put on the back of your neck and then
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you die of a cerebral hemorrhage. So the back of
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the neck thing is always going to scare you. And
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I mean it's again, I think the idea that your
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parents can turn against you, authority figure don't believe you,
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and that the whole world can kind of become like
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a drone society. It feeds into this whole communist the
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loss of self identity state. It's pretty incredible. Anyway, I
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did want to mention before we got any deeper, that
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I had the honor of visiting the set of the
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remake of Invaders from ours, the nineteen eighty six version
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in nineteen eighty five, and this is before Creation moved
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out in ninety two to California. We were still based
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in New York, and I was invited by the unit publicist,
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Scott Holton to visit the production, which was in Long
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Beach in a giant hangar airplane hangar where Howard Hughes
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had assembled and stored the Spruce Goose and Toby Hooper
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had assembled these incredible sets, these interlocking sets, vents of
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the Alien Mothership that were really impressive, and right in
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the middle of all of it was this incredible Stan
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Winston Supreme Alien Intelligence animatronic that was sitting there and
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look pretty intimidating. It's a beautiful piece of work by Stan,
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but I think that the original Supreme Intelligence alien, which
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is sort of this alien figure in a glass globe,
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is really really it's pretty cool as well. Yeah, yeah,
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it's freaky.
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You've met Stan Winston?
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Ye, yes, Stan, Yes. Stan of course was, like I say,
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a frequent celebrity guest at both Creation and Fangoria events
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that we did for many years. And then I had
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a wonderful experience on what we ran Determinator to Convention
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with Jim Cameron, Winston and R. Schwarzenegger in whatever year
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that was. So then a couple of years later we
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got the word that they're working on Terminator three and
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I was invited down to a airplane hangar just south
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of la where old airplane hangars for the aerospace industry
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are still located, even though it kind of a lot
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of them were sort of abandoned, and we were told
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that we were going to have a special visit from
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Stan Winston. So We're in the hangar, and all of
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a sudden, the big doors of the hangar on the
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other side opened up, and the DeLorean drives in. Oh
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my god, and the Dolorian pulls right up to us.
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The gold wing door opens up and out walks Stan Winston. Hi, everybody,
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I want to get you excited about Terminator three, which
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is now in production, but I want to introduce you
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to a friend of mine. So Stan's got this control
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pack with him and he's like pressing some buttons on it.
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All of a sudden, out of the corner of my eye,
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see this big canvas tarp covering something that's huge start
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to rise. Oh my god. And the next thing I know,
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Stan goes over to it. He pulls the tarp off
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and it's the Terminator tank robot from Terminator three, which
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if you remember, was like a terminator with giant gatling
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guns that on like tank treads. Yes, and the gatling
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guns articulate out and then they start spinning around. So
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stand out all this doing with us. We thought the
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Terminator was going to We're just gonna shoot us with
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the gatling gun. It freaked us out.
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That is amazing that you saw that.
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I mean, Stan Winston was one of the industry grains,
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so obviously very grateful to have met him. And he
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certainly did do some incredible work on the remake, and
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I think it was a loving homage, particularly to the
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alien intelligence, but his aliens were completely different, as I
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mentioned the aliens from the original. As you said, I'm
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sure this was a put off for you kid.
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Well, you know, like I said, it's you watch the
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movie and knowing all the movies how movies are today
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kind of thing. When you watch an old film like that,
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you really have to take yourself out of the.
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time that it was made. That's what you really need
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to focus on, not the fact that it might seem cheesy,
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it might seem you know, like I said, stilt and
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all that kind of stuff. You need to just realize, Wow,
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this was made in nineteen fifty three. This is pretty
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amazing for what it is. Right.
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and he's like the Ken Adam of the first half
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of the twentieth century. I mean, I'm a huge ken
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Adam devote the guy that did all the production design
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and set works for the early Bond films, so who
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himself was a student of some of the great architects
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of mid century, like John Lautner and Richard Neutra. But
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the look of the film is amazing, and I think
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that Toby, you know, and Stan were very well intentioned.
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They wanted to do homages of this. For instance, behind
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David's house was this sand pit, and this is where
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the flying Saucer, I was pretty creepy, buries itself in
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this sandpit. And then the way that they get you
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is if you're walking through this area, the sandpit opens
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up and sucks you in. So the sandpit looks almost
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the same in the remake as it does in the original.
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alien ship, which kind of mimics the original tunnels from
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the original film. Your Role, I think a tribute to
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William Cameron Menzie is very distinctive stylized production design.
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about the film and the making of the film, the
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apparently it happened pretty quickly. They wanted to get it out,
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so it was a very sort of short shortened production.
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They just they used all kinds of what we would
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consider normal things to make like inflated balloons were pinned
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on a ton of walls and you know, just just
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all of this. But I think what you were saying
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about Menzies sort of aesthetics is this, you know, dreamlike surrealism.
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So like when poor poor David runs into the police department.
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intimidating desk with the with the police guy there. Yeah,
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so it was very intimidating.
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I have to say, the actor who played David was
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very good.
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the Supreme Martian Intelligence. He controls a race of drones.
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drones get you and they put you, they strap you down,
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and then there's this device that embeds an alien controller
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in the back of your neck, all being witnessed by
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the Supreme Martian Intelligence. Now, in the original, the Martian
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Intelligence is basically they took a guy and put him
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in like a big Bolba's head makeup with syntentacles and
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put him in a glass globe, and I mean, it's
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what you're a kid, it's pretty scary, very terrifying.
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I mean honestly, again, that's another thing I sort of
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thought of myself as being a kid watching this.
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You know, I was pretty scary looking. But I think
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I know. Stan Winston, in a very well intentioned manner,
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decided to create a supreme martial intelligence, which he's a
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bit more of a horizontal aspect, is a bit more squatting,
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ugly looking brain thing, and added some technicals to it
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with animatronics which were pretty cool. But you know again,
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I just was just as enamored by the original design. Now,
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one thing that I liked is that David's mother in
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the eighty six version is played by Karen Black, and
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David is portrayed by her real life son Hunter Carson.
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So that's a very interesting kind of easter egg from
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the film. A lot of our viewers are familiar with
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director Toby Hooper of The Poltergeist and Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
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and he's definitely trying to go with retro sound effects
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and a more saturated color palette reminiscent to fifty cinema,
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to capture the look and the feel of the original,
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even though he's going for this drive in movie nostalgia vibe,
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which is true. I mean, it's it is a love
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letter to the original film, but it doesn't quite get
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the gestolt of the original, right, I.
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Mean, you know, if we are comparing it, it is
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a little, like I said, a little like Invasions of
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the Body Snatchers. And then you know that that nineteen
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fifty six film, of course, also taps into the same
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kind of ideas that we have, except for now it's
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these pod things basically recreate your entire person, and so
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you die as a person and then you become this
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pod people.
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Yeah, but that remake in nineteen seventy eight, which I'm
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sure we'll bring up as well at some point in
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time we talk more about all these.
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Movies we love.
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That one was even creepier than the original.
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I thought, yes, yes, it's a great film. We're going
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to be doing a segment on Body Snatchers of Cinema
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Squad in the weeks to come, so everybody be watching
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for that. We actually had to be actor of the original,
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Kevin McCarthy. We had as a guest at some of
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our early shows, and he was wonderful. In the remake,
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David's teacher, Missus mckelch, was played by the great Louis Fletcher,
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who we love from you Know, One Flew Over the
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Cucka's Nest and other films. She plays this oppressive authority figure,
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which is sort of.
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Letter does very well.
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She's also in Deep Space nine as the kais. She's
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definitely got that vibe and I think it's pretty hysterical
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in the remake that she swallows a frog in front
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of David. That's a that's a fun scene. One of
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the signatures of the original is when you get sucked
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down into the soul pit, there is these otherworldly chorus
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of voices. We're going to talk about it. It's a
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terrified sound. I'm going to deconfer you musicologists. I'm going
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to deconstruct that. But the soundtrack of the original is
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just incredible, and this a total vocal choir that accompanies
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the being caught by the sand pit. It's really very terrifying.
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Yeah, they hear it before they get suck down basically.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, I mentioned the remake is definitely
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in homage there is a special thanks to William camer
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Menzie's at the end of the film.
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Yeah, yeah, Okay, let's take a look to see some
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of the things that are kind of going on in
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the movie that are a little bit different. The look
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of the alien ship is definitely more complicated in the remake.
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Well, I mean, you know, you got to think about
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also in eighty six, they had more technology available to
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them to do special effects, so things are going to,
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you know, look a little more real than they need to.
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Heare that nineteen eighty six is.
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Something now, you know, it's always I mean, there are
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a lot of mathings that are just sort of used
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to evoke the idea of sets and perspective.
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Since I was talking about the vocal choir, I'm going
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to mention that the film's composer, it's credited by a
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guy named ral Krashar, but a lot of it's eerie,
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avant garde texture came from the orchestrator Morton Gould, and
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he also orchestrated these choral arrangements. There are also some
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scholars that have debated that another musician, Danielle Anti Theatro,
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was involved in this as well, and so it's kind
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of about orchestral and choral score, and there are these
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ah and ooh, glissandos that they put a small mixed
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choir together to sort of create that, and they slide
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between dissonant intervals, which really creates this very scary atonal
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choral effect, which was contemporaries at the time, such as
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Bernard Herrmann who did the Theoreman and Dave the Earth
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Stood Still, and even Stanley Kubrick incorporated those atonal choirs
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in two thousand and one of Space Odyssey with Italian
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composer Georgie Legetti. Some of his work is really almost
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an homage to the atonal choir work from Invaders from Mars.
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Yeah, yeah, and then we have Mars Attacks, which I'm
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just saying Mars has always been kind of this very
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let's talk about Mars in general as far as how
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it's been port portrayed in the cinema because you know,
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oh yeah, in the fifties, you know, sci fi Mars
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was Mars because it was read you know, like we said,
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the whole communism cold war thing was definitely at its
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very height in the fifties.
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Now out of nuclear war and all of that, of course,
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You're familiar with the Tim Burton Mars attacks, but are
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you familiar with the Tops cards upon which it is
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loosely based.
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Not really, No, I think I know of them, but
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I'm not very familiar with that.
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Yeah, I mean for those of you of a certain age,
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we collected these Mars Attacks Tops cards in the sixties
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and they were fabulous. Each one was in martial atrocity,
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heaped upon humanity, like burning human flesh, destroying a dog,
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sauces over Parliament, sauces over China, attack of the Giant insects,
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Beauty and the Beast, where he's like grabbing a girl.
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So I thought that that Tim Burton had a great
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time with that source material. But I do find his
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move would be a little mean spirited in spots.
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Yeah, I like the way that to shoot moves like this. Yeah,
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his muse whenever heard that.
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Lisa Marie, there you go. Yeah. Anyway, though we're not
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talking about that, I'm talking about it.
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I'm just saying Mars is always has been, you know,
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definitely in the fifties and sixties was like unknown and
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it represented this sort of you know, horrifying yeah, and
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that you know life there.
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By the way the music of Veders from Mars. The
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atonal qualities and aspects of it inspired of the next
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generation of composers, including Jerry Goldsmith, who used a lot
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of atonal work and Alien Christopher Young, who did the
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score for hell Raiser. So I mean, the original film's
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dreamlike structure kind of replaces realism with these surreal atonal
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auditory cues, which for fifties Hollywood sound design was unheard of.
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So it was really a pretty pioneering blend of orchestral
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disson It's an atonal choral sound design, which again was
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a precursion of movies. Like as I said two thousand
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and one, let's just do a little dive on the
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career of William Cameron Menzies. I know I've been raving
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a lot about him, and I know something about this
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guy's career, and he was a film director, production designer,
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art director, and producer. But I'm kind of fascinated by him.
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He was sort of pioneered modern production design and introduced
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a cinematic visual language that was so distinctive that a
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generation of production designers several generations after him, guys like
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Adam stockhausen Ken, Adam All sort of go Back and
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Borrow from Cameron Menzies. Guy was actually born in eighteen
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ninety six. He was educated at Yale. He attended the
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Art Students League in New York, and he had a
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very strong foundation in draftsmanship, composition, visual storytelling. But he
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I think treated every shot in his movies as a
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kind of a painted composition. As I said, I think
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he had a painterly style to the scenes, and I
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think that that's really what made his film Invaders for Mars,
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as well as his other films look.
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So he was one of the production designers on Going
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with the Wind.
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He was indeed he did I mean some other famous
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films like Douglas Fairbanks, Thief of Baghdad, he did The Dove,
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the Tempest, and not only did win the Oscar for
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Going with the Wind, but he was the first to
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use the title in movies of production designer really kind
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of redefined visual storytelling. I think many directors of photography
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kind of studied his production design.
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I mean he started in nineteen twenty four the Thief
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of Baghdad. I mean, can you I mean that kind
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of stuff, that's.
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Yeah, yeah, he goes back to the silent era, you know, Yeah, No,
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less than the famous producer David O. Selznik credited him
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for going with the Wind its epic visual coherence. Yes,
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and also, Menzies was a pioneer in storyboarding entire films
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a visually before shooting, which went on to become standard
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practice in Hollywood. These day, storyboards have sort of become
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animatics which are rendered digitally. For decades they were storyboards.
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It was really Cameron Menzies that pioneered the use of
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storyboarding an entire film.
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Wow, and then some of his I wonder if he
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also influenced like Disney and things like that, As far
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as I'm.
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Sure, absolutely absolutely. He had a very strong sense of
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geometric composition. There's a lot of bilateral symmetry, strong diagonal lines,
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vanishing points, perspective distortion which creates emotional emphasis. His sets
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often reflected psychological states. I mean this foreshadowed film noir surrealism.
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And again, I think, as you said, it was shot
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quickly and on a very limited budget, but he was
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able to still make Invaders from Ours look like a
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pretty amazing film even with those kinds of challenges. Yeah,
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and again I think it really the look of the film.
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It's a visual metaphor for Cold War fear and childhood paranoia. Yeah,
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so if you're a kid watching this movie like I
483
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was in the early sixties, it's really pretty terrifying, and
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its visual look definitely influenced War the Worlds, which was
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actually later that year the original Gorsch Power War of
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the World's Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which you and
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I discussed. Even Close Encounters of the Third kind owes
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some of its visual language to camera.
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Well, Steven Spielberg, I read it also, I just in
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the about in Vaders from ours. Steven Spielberg Martin Scorsese
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credit this film as one of their childhood favorite.
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00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.960
So yeah, yeah, definitely the original. Again, I think it
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kind of faltered in the look of the alien drones,
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but if you kind of take them out of it,
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pretty much the rest of the film was kind of
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a perfect nineteen fifties study in paranoia, an allegory to
497
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.359
putting that into science fiction, very ahead of its time,
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very dystopian. He was the designer and art director on
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Things to Come From nineteen thirty six, which is still
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considered by film historians a very visionary, way ahead of
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its time movie. Anyway, William camer Menzie's died in March
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nineteen fifty seven in Hollywood, California, but is really considered
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the founding father of a modern production design. Matter of fact,
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Ridley Scott, Tim Burton, Gillmore Del Toro also cite him
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as an inspiration and the people you mentioned. In twenty seventeen,
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the Art Directors Guild posthumously honored him with a Lifetime
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Achievement Award, one of some amazing visual pioneers.
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Pretty amazing.
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00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.960
So I know we're just about out of time. But again,
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I just think that the film loves such an impression
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on me as a youth, and I mean obviously on
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Toby Hooper and Stan Winston, who did their best to
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do this homage to it. Any sort of parting thoughts
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about it and where it sort of fits in the
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milia of fifty sci fi Kid.
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I mean, like I said, it is it knowing the
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pedigree now behind it? I didn't you know you've taught
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me a lot about it this podcast, because I guess
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I watched it with sort of a not as an
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00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.960
attuned eye as you describe it. And so then when
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I when you start describing it to me and the
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things that it accomplished, you know, it's pretty amazing. And
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00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.319
of course the nineteen eighty six it's just it's kind
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of cheesy and fun but probably didn't need to be remade,
525
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but that's okay, you know.
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But I think just the.
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Pedigree behind the original though, is pretty amazing.
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Yeah, And that's kind of why I wanted to do
529
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this piece, is because I just want to give William
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camer Menz's due. And for those of you that are
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sort of sci fi complet us, and many of you
532
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.240
might be too young to have even seen this film,
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00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.279
even in its reruns and rotations, try and find it,
534
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.880
because it's well worth watching two or three times. Again.
535
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If you sort of take the doofy looking alien drones
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out of the equation, I think the rest of the
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film will really resonate strongly with you, and I hope
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that our segment here will also give a sense of
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historic reference to that amazing film and honestly, generations of
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filmmakers that came afterwards that look rather reverentially upon the film.
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So mckit. It's always a pleasure.
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Thanks, Adam, this was a great one.
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I learned a lot one of these things with you.
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You're going to be top lining our Invasion of the
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Body Snatcher's segment, which is coming up shortly. And also
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our viewers can look forward to our top twenty favorite
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and aliens. We'll be doing star down on that and
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00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.599
our top twenty favorite monsters. So I look forward to
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us reconvening for those in the next month or so.
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Kit, take care everybody.
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Okay, well, thanks so much, Kit, Thank you ladies and gentlemen,
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and we'll see you guys again soon.
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Bye.
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Hey, guys.
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I'm Adamnlin, joined by my illustrious partner, Gary Berman, and
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this is Creation Entertainment looks back.
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Hi, everybody, glad to be here, and what are we
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doing today? We're going to look back at some really
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old stuff.
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You know, because we recently moved the Creation offices to
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our beautiful new corporate headquarters in downtown Glendale. And I
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00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.199
came across a treasure trove of photos that you know,
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00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.239
I collect down through the years, because we all know
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I scroll stuff away and I found all these great photos.
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I just thought we'd look at them. Not surprised you was, yeah, yeah,
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I already see the first one. Get your reactions. So
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00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:02.239
without any further ado here is proof that this is
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the longest running partnership and show business history. It could
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almost be at this point. It's just a terrifying thought.
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Really it would be. Yeah, well over fifty year, fifty years.
571
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.760
Well this photo has taken sixty seven years ago.
572
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.199
Well, yeah, but it's hard to believe we didn't have
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a business at that point yet.
574
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.800
Well, we did have a business at eight years old.
575
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.840
We started our first point collecting and selling business at
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the age of eight. That's true. That's pretty crazy. But yeah,
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and then right around that time we started going into
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the city with your dad, who was always so generous
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as long as you were there at what is it
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five point thirty in the morning here.
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I think it was six fifteen, But if we missed it,
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that was it when it go But that I think
583
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:48.679
our time is messed up. We weren't eight.
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00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.760
I think we actually started collecting points at the age
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of eight. Yeah, well we weren't going into Manhattan. I
586
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.639
know I was, Well you were at the age of ten,
587
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.840
but not me. Yeah. Well, of course to Sally mail
588
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.920
and it is always looking at for the security of persona, yeah,
589
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.840
sending you on the subways. But in those days it
590
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.440
was probably a bit safe. It was a bit safer anyway, though,
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00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.760
these it's an amazing shot and the memories of growing
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up in Fresh Meadows. Yeah, yeah, Fresh Metals was important
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to like post war, uh, like post war it became
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the community that that veterans lived in. So it's still there.
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00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.559
I didn't realize it was a veterans community.
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00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.559
It was built for veterans, yes, yeah, and the rent
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was pretty low back then.
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Yeah.
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So I haven't been there in a while, but I
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hear it's completely transformed.
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I didn't find that because you know, my brother's still there.
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00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.599
So I drove through. You know, to me, it looked
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pretty much same incredible photo. You might recognize this, this
604
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.559
is I did recognize that by your dad, the great
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mo Mail. And my dad was a commercial artist. And
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when Gary and I went to him and said, hey,
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we're going to run a comic convention, well, first of all,
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00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.320
he had to valid I think we've already told story.
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00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.719
He had to validate the whole thing, and he did.
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He got us the space we were going to do
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00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.199
the show at the New Yorker Hotel, and so then
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00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.280
we needed some some graphic and art design for the show,
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and so of course my dad. That actually, looking back,
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00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.280
that actually is pretty good. Yeah, just by hands, he
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00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.800
just scratches it right out. The name is funny. The
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art come. It wasn't comic art. It was art. Well
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it was comic, no, I know, but it was. But
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00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.280
we didn't put comic. It should have said comic art. Yeah.
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I'm not so sure why we didn't.
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00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.119
I know, but just a kind of an amazing you know,
621
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look back at dad doing that. And just as I'm
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00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.920
long as I'm talking about my dad, he got together
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00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.360
with the great Wolfman Jack remember that, and.
624
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:48.079
They did a bunch of TV's record sales on television. Yeah,
625
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.519
one of the first direct marketing on TV. Yeah yeah,
626
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:52.119
yeah music.
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00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.400
Yeah. And you know that he also did stuff with
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Claude Davis. No, I didn't know that. My dad sold
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records with Clide Davis on TV. And he comes to
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me one day he says, yeah, I'm working with this guy,
631
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Clive Davis. And I said yeah. He says, I think
632
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:07.920
that guy's really going places.
633
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:11.800
It's amazing that Clive Davis is still alive in the
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00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.239
stories like fifty years old.
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00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:20.719
Ah, that's good. That's our first comic book convention program.
636
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.119
As well as the poster. Yeah, that's a poster. That
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was Ken Smith, right, the.
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00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.960
Great Kennis Smith. He we commissioned him and he did
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00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.440
that in two color variants if you record. Yeah, yeah,
640
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.559
we have the poster up in the reception. Yeah. And
641
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:36.760
the first time we got that, I looked and I said,
642
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what is what is it? I didn't I couldn't figure
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00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.960
out that it was a quarter shot of a devil's hand.
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Ye you know, but yeah, yeah, very nice. Next year
645
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:50.519
that again, was your dad did that?
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00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.039
No? He did that?
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He?
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Oh, I thought, who did that? The great Kelly fris Really,
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00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.719
Kelly friz did for us and it was his slogan, up,
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lads and lassies, when convention's over, there will be plenty
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of time enough. All these years I told you that,
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how do you like that? Kelly Friez? Okay, for those
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00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.840
of you that don't know a science fiction paul illustrator
654
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:19.480
and second, maybe only the Frizetta were right. There were
655
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.719
a few of them. Actually, the pulps predate Boris. These
656
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.239
are more like guys like Hans Bach, right, people like that.
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00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.840
Who was the guy that you there was a science
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00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.559
fiction artist working I think with airbrush and he sent
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00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.840
us like stats of paintings, and he auctioned them off.
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00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.880
Do you remember that space scenes? Well, oh, we're not
661
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.440
talking about the airbrush work of Frank Brunner. No, talking
662
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:52.440
about somebody else if he was famous for like space scenes, yeah, planets. Yeah,
663
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.079
it wasn't Chesley Bonestell, the most renowned of those guys,
664
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.639
but he was good. Yeah. I don't remember their name.
665
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:03.679
We'll figure it out. Ah, that's the first. That's the ankle, right,
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the great James Tarenko. And look at that lovely backdrop. Yeah,
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oh well that's typical of our backdrops back then.
668
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.639
It was like five and draped. I can't put up there.
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But I then imagine when we invite Storenko as our
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first guest, and he says, yeah, how good are you are?
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Recognizing the venue by the back like like I can
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00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.920
almost tell that's the eighteenth floor of the old Pen.
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00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.440
Well you could tell that, but you would be wrong
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because that's the New Yorker Hotel, and I am it
675
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is New York. Yeah, brought it, but they all look
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pretty well. Yeah, sometimes I can tell by the Oh no, no, agree,
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00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.000
you definitely can't. But your memory is good. You do
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00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:48.079
remember that? Yeah, New Yorker. Okay, yeah, the stat Hilton,
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what you mentioned is now gone. It's a big hole
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in the ground. Yeah, it'll be something again, be something again.
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That is Bill Gaines, creator of Man Magazine and eas Economics. Right,
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but yes, and what is he holding in his hands,
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good pen commandments the creation lifetime achievement That's right, that's right.
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00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.480
You know what those Lifetime Achievement awards got, like famous
685
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.280
people to come that normally would't come.
686
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.000
We should actually be in these days. Yeah.
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00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.480
Yeah, we've got like Roger Corman and he showed up
688
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.199
and he's like, where's dinner?
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And I'm like, I mean, you know, Bill Gaines, not
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00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.599
only did we love him for Mad Magazine, but I
691
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.320
mean E C Comms, you're still out of the gold standard.
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Yepm okay, okay, I recognize him. That's Bernie writes him, right,
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Bernie writes him a member of the studio.
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There were for them, Bernie, Mike Kaluda, Jeff Jones and
695
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.559
Barry Winsor Smith and those guys used to come and
696
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.239
bring gorgeous artwork to our shows. Yeah, and they ended
697
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.280
up being like legendary set up at our shows. And
698
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.599
now they're legendary. I mean Bernie writes and you know,
699
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:04.039
to be Swamped was based around his work and nursery
700
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:08.400
crimes and a number of other fantastic things. Incredible artist
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who passed away not too long ago. Bernie passed away, Yeah,
702
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:17.800
very very sweet guy. Barry Windsor Smith. Barry Windsor Smith
703
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who did Conan in the comic books, and yeah, a
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00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.639
bunch of other things, you know, I don't they They
705
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.920
were all maybe ten fifteen years older than us at
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the time we were dealing with them, and we were
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like kids.
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00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.400
I don't remember them being like super nice.
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To us back then. Well we were a little tweed space.
710
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.599
I know, and reasonably that they wouldn't make fun of
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00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.360
us maybe, but I don't remember them being particularly generous.
712
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.679
I think that Bernie was definitely the most personable of them,
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and I thought that Jeff Jones was you know, pretty
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00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.320
dark nic too. Barry is it you know, also maybe
715
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.519
a little bit more of an introvert, But I mean
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00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.920
he was great. And then they moved the studio up
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00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.239
to Woodstock and they were there for a few years too. Okay,
718
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.519
this is only the person on the right is the
719
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.480
person you should focus on. Yeah, right, But who were
720
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.679
the other two? Yeah? Good, good question. Good luck trying
721
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:12.159
to figure that out. I think the guy in the
722
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.320
left work for DC Comics, but I'm not sure.
723
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:14.679
Who he was.
724
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.280
Yeah, okay, but von Boudet as you know, who created
725
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.119
Cheach Wizard and was an underground one of the very
726
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.559
first underground cartoonists. Yeah, I remember that he was with us.
727
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:27.000
He did it.
728
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.599
He had a slide presentation that he would do.
729
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.079
Back then, slide presentations were the latest innovation in technology.
730
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.239
Yeah, like that time that Sid Gannis had a slide
731
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.559
show for the first Star Wars movie. Yeah, and I
732
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.199
take the slideshow carouself from and I accidentally turned it
733
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:49.559
upside all the slides fall out. Yeah, calamity, out of
734
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.760
order scenes. Here's the Star Wars slide show that I
735
00:43:54.039 --> 00:44:00.519
screwed up. Okay, okay, you might not know this, gentleman.
736
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:01.840
I do.
737
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.519
I recognized it? Is that like Tom Fagan.
738
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.360
That is Tom Fagan. I can't believe I got that right,
739
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.480
Great Tom Fagan, well done. Do you know how I
740
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:13.639
know that? You know that incredible story about me going
741
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.880
up to parade viewers that don't know it. I drove
742
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.440
up to Rutland for the Rutland Comic Parade, my car exploded.
743
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.280
A Condly priest put me up at a farmhouse overnight.
744
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:27.800
And the Conley priest turned out to be Tom Fagan.
745
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.480
But was he a real priest. He wasn't a priest,
746
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.320
but he pretended to me that he was a priest. Anyway,
747
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.920
the Rutland Comic Parade was very famous for many, many
748
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.280
many years. Did they still do it up there? I
749
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.800
just read an article that it was mentioned in, but
750
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.119
I don't think so. I imagine he's but I mean
751
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.519
in the sixties, if you're a comic book fan in
752
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.360
the early seventies, it was like, yeah, a huge deal.
753
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:51.039
All right.
754
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.360
So that's stan Lee stand the manly with one of
755
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:58.880
the babulous creation graphic treatments behind him. That was yeah,
756
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.719
we used to do those on my phone court.
757
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:01.199
That's right.
758
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.719
Look how horrible, Yeah, terrible, but how great it was
759
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.119
having stan Ley? Yeah a lot of times, like all
760
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:12.800
the time, and that famous experience of mind with him
761
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.559
down on thirty seventh Street. Oh, you're paying him in
762
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.239
your car. And he brought me down to his car
763
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.199
and I had to pay him in cash underneath the dashboard,
764
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:26.159
passed the cash which is fine, but now he was wonderful.
765
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.719
He's very generous to us as kids, and I wish
766
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.079
that he were around now to see to release a
767
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:32.960
fantastic form.
768
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:34.679
You know, I thought he did pretty good in seeing
769
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:36.440
his stuff translated.
770
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:37.039
He did.
771
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.639
I mean, you know a lot of stuff.
772
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.000
He managed to assert himself into so many of those
773
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.119
early Marvel films. Yeah, I think they asked him that
774
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.960
was pretty great, all right? That is it's perfect that
775
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.039
it comes after that is Jack Kirby, right, the one
776
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:51.119
and only Jack Kirby.
777
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.920
How many years did you get to work with him?
778
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.159
Probably about seven or eight years? Yeah, yeah, until he
779
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.440
passed away. That Jack, of course is I wish he
780
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.280
could be around out to see. He's the one who
781
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.119
missed it, right, he missed the whole thing, and quite frankly,
782
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.320
he was I think more of the idea guy than
783
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:11.360
Stan was. Yeah.
784
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:13.840
I know you always have felt that way, didn't he
785
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.840
did Jack Kirby do sketches for fans at our shows?
786
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.320
I seem to remember that. Yeah, yeah, And again I
787
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.280
was introduced to him through my mom, who taught at
788
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:30.000
Forest Hills with his sister. So it's crazy Sharon Dippity
789
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.159
there he is Yeah, he is, all right, So this
790
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.719
was pretty good. I got all of these because I
791
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.000
had seen this photo earlier. So John Byrne is on
792
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.719
our left and in the middle of George Perez, who
793
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.760
unfortunately passed away not too long ago, and Terry Austin.
794
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.679
Terry Austin was mainly an anchor, right, amazing. Yeah, it's
795
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.280
crazy what you remember. Perez and Byrne were incredible idea
796
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.599
guys art you know, penciler's name, Terry Austin work with
797
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:07.320
John Byrne on X mental. Yeah, he absolutely was Burn's
798
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:09.320
anchor and many of the things that he did.
799
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.880
And George was like ended up with this like amazing
800
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.760
legendary career after we met him, right, yeah, considered one
801
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:18.159
of the best.
802
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:18.880
Yeah.
803
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.119
I certainly think that Terry was considered one of the
804
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.880
best inncors of his era, and both George and John
805
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.400
had huge careers. Yeah, so this was tough, but I
806
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.760
did look at it and remember that that was Frank Miller, right, unbelievable.
807
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:36.800
That's like, you guys are so young there, one of
808
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.559
one of my idols, the great Frank Miller, who you know.
809
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.679
I still think that Ronan was his greatest work. Other fans,
810
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.559
Mayfield is the Dark Knight, but some of our more
811
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.559
casual viewers might not even realize that the whole Christopher
812
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.960
Nolan Dark Knight trilogy was inspired by him. Frank Miller's
813
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.599
Dark Knight, and he did a lot of amazing graphic
814
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.760
works in City. Of course, he he wants to be
815
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.840
a filmmaker. So yeah, Frank, so that would be in
816
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.480
late seventies. Yes, I was just going to say that
817
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.679
I think I may have it. Can I give you
818
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:17.119
a hint? Yeah, this person used rotoscoping? Yeah, okay, I
819
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.559
got it. I know I had it. He's the one
820
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:24.960
who did Fritz the Cat, yes, and also Wizards and
821
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.400
also Lord of the Rings, which was actually Lord of
822
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.920
the Rings. Yes, all right, using rotoscoping in places? I know,
823
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:38.400
I know, I know. Jeez. Well, I'm not going to
824
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:40.719
remember the name during this this no harm. You know
825
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.639
the guy, it's h Yeah, we walked with him. I
826
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.679
remember he was friendly with Phil Sewing and Phil Sewing
827
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.079
and he let Phil do a voice in Fritz the Cap,
828
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.639
which was weird for a public school teacher to well.
829
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.880
Fritz Cat wasn't. Yes, it was was based on Robert
830
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.559
prob No, I know, but it was. I don't think
831
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.159
I saw the film, but I've certainly read enough Fritz
832
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.840
Cat comic books to tell you they were filthy, just
833
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.880
like Robert Prump, who is a genius. Prumb is a genius,
834
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.039
but he had a filthy.
835
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.039
I'm doing pretty good on recognizing people. Okay, well that's
836
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.920
easy because it's us, all right, So where was that taken?
837
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.840
I'm going to guess it was at the No, I'm
838
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.119
going to say it was at the Commodore or the Americano. Okay,
839
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.159
good costume you know cosplay people. Yeah, they really have
840
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.599
added to the show all these years. Define right, And
841
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.239
for people that don't know, we have the Unofficial Guinness
842
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.039
Book of World Records as the most costume competitions of
843
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:47.039
any fan group. Absolutely, I will say that that's probably true.
844
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:52.119
The Master Auctionnaire, let's skip that one. Well, come on,
845
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.360
I had that on my door. Here. You were auctioning
846
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.559
off you know, actually out in first this.
847
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.199
Is you know I I tried to auction off for
848
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:05.920
Action Comic number one, opening bid four thousand dollars.
849
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.440
No one did them. That's so stupid.
850
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.000
I know now it's worth a million bucks.
851
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.360
As a matter of fact, they were just giving one
852
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.400
of those away, one of the one of the Yeah,
853
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:16.960
I was just there.
854
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.360
Yeah you can, you can win Action Comics number one,
855
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.119
but you have to be pulled out of a drawing.
856
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.880
So you literally had one in your hands and yeah,
857
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.840
that's so crazy. Yeah, but yeah, back then, nobody thought
858
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.000
that would be. What were some of the greatest items
859
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:36.519
that you've ever auctioned off? Well, that the Chakram we
860
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.360
see chakm Yeah, the originally did.
861
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:45.320
Yeah good, Uh, Leonard's ears from one of those oh
862
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.119
Arnot Schwarzeneker's jacket Wardmators with the.
863
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.079
Bullet holes, and that was a good one. You had
864
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.119
a couple of other things from Terminator too. You had
865
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.360
like the chip that destroyed the world with sky Net.
866
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.119
Yeah I don't remember that one. Yeah. Yeah, you know
867
00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:58.239
we've had good stuff.
868
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.079
Uh, some signs for by you know, some really famous people.
869
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:07.079
But yeah, that that had to be also the seventies. Okay,
870
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.239
this makes this is great that you got this and
871
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.360
maybe flashing forward a little bit, but I just for
872
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.039
those those of our people that don't know we had stores.
873
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.000
We have three of them at the peak we had
874
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.039
three and you know, like looking back, I was just
875
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.159
thinking about this because I went back to visit my
876
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:26.480
brother there. Yeah, those comics stores were like really important
877
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.760
to the community of kids growing up were into the stuff.
878
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.239
And we've heard a lot of stories about people who
879
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.039
celebrated their fans the first time by coming to the store.
880
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.519
And I'm glad that we did retail and that store
881
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.599
particularly was like the the biggest thing for fans. But
882
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.480
you know, it was it's a tough business. Like there
883
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.599
was a hold up a gunpoint and then someone threw
884
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.840
a giant rock through the window. It's just like really
885
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.920
a rough business. But I'm glad that we did it successfully,
886
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.519
but don't I would do it again. That was on
887
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.719
a corner of Mineola, right, Yeah, a Jerichal term it is.
888
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.800
It wasn't I mean, it was so cool, but it
889
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.800
wasn't safe, and it wasn't really financially successful. I thought
890
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:12.039
it was, but it was well, I mean, that was
891
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:13.960
kind of operating as our office too.
892
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.159
Thought we were doing okay. Now, your dad was in
893
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.800
there with us at one point, which was nice. And
894
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:21.440
Bob Shrek we'll talk about.
895
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:22.440
Yeah.
896
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:25.280
Yeah, but I have I have certainly have fond members
897
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.760
of that. And of course then we also had John
898
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:33.599
Kaglioni and Doug Drexler. Uh did Tracy prosthetic masks display.
899
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.159
It was like a museum too, I've heard people. Yeah,
900
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.440
Drexler shows up one day with the Actually was John
901
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:41.880
Caglioni showed up one day with the mask and says, hey,
902
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.079
you guys like your store. You want to display our
903
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.480
masks in the store. So crazy.
904
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:52.119
That is the version of the store that was in
905
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:56.400
the Glendale Galleria. Yes, and that was fun too. I
906
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:58.800
heard that we were the most asked about store in
907
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.840
the mall when people come in and asked at the
908
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.639
information that's where the store is.
909
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:03.519
That was fun.
910
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:04.760
We were right near the Disney store.
911
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.800
I had heard there was actually Lawrence Julius, but other
912
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.199
than that, we were there. Yeah, that was was that
913
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:12.679
a pop up store.
914
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.039
We did it for the first time during the holiday
915
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:17.920
and we had to give the building ten percent of
916
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.320
ourselves and then it went so well that we stayed on.
917
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.719
But again it was just like, not not the best business.
918
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.840
We're in there, and like Keith was there, this huge
919
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:29.559
guy who was like no one would want to get
920
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:31.920
into the fight with. And I'm like, where's the Captain
921
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.199
brocard jacket? That was there five minutes ago.
922
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.000
Like, people would walk in and they were so good
923
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.920
at shoplifting they would walk out with a four hundred
924
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.280
dollars jacket and we wouldn't even notice it. I know,
925
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.599
that's easy. That looks like a pr shot of Isaac Asimo.
926
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.840
We have three or four photos of the great doctor
927
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.760
Isaac as well if who was a fixture at our
928
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.960
shows for many years until he passed away.
929
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.320
Yeah, he just came because he enjoyed being with the fans.
930
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.400
He would get up there his pulpit and he would
931
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.159
deliver these fantastic Yeah the speeches right amazing talking about
932
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:08.400
the future. If only he could have seen the Foundation today,
933
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:09.880
which is such a great show.
934
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.400
So well, AI, right, wasn't he cut a way before
935
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:14.960
starting that?
936
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.239
You know, the whole hispotix and I robot. So Isaac
937
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:25.760
was in a class by himself. Yeah, he had a
938
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:32.280
thing from my mom. Oh yeah, so I was trying
939
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:35.599
to remember this. I don't think we ever had Frank
940
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.239
Kurbett as a guest, but maybe we did.
941
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:38.639
We did not.
942
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:40.440
This is supposed to trip you up.
943
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:41.760
Yeah, I don't remember this.
944
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.639
This was from the World Science Fiction Convention. Oh okay,
945
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:48.760
she went to another convention. Yeah he was. I actually
946
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:53.360
went to another convention, and so I went there and
947
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.199
I get there to his segment and I missed it.
948
00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:00.480
Oh it's done. The room is empty except for this
949
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.719
one old guy sitting up in the front of the room.
950
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.760
I go up to this old guy and I say, shit,
951
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.280
I missed Frank Corbin's presentation. He says, well, I'm still here.
952
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.480
Oh boy. And it was Frank Herbert sitting alone in
953
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.280
the front of the line. Was security, nothing, just Frank
954
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:18.840
Herbert sitting up in the front of the room. I
955
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:20.880
don't know why he was there. And then after I
956
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.559
pulled my jaw off the floor, I got his autograph.
957
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:24.880
Oh I love you, dude.
958
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.320
YadA, YadA, YadA. This is I think just after did
959
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.119
I get my time? And after the day David Lynch
960
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:36.639
Dune was what ninety eighty three maybe eighty Well this
961
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.639
was before done then if it was, depending upon what
962
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:43.360
that was, but it was, you know, okay, So I was, yeah,
963
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.559
all right, that did t me. I knew he didn't
964
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.239
have the Denny Villeneuve Dune movies are the bomb. I
965
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:53.440
mean Herbert's you know, incredible fiction still resonates even today. Okay.
966
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:56.679
That is Ray Harry Has in the Gray Ray Harry Has,
967
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:01.079
and who came to a couple of our shirts and yeah,
968
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.800
suitcases of his amazing armatures like some of the things
969
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.559
I see. There are things, you know, like the the
970
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:14.719
Gorgon and Gwangie and things from Jason and the Argonauts.
971
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.039
I mean yeah, and he would just like pull him
972
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:23.719
out of the suitcase, right. He absolutely influenced generations of filmmakers,
973
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.719
special effects people. He is maybe not the father of
974
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.800
stop motion animation, but he is was the protege of
975
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.000
Willis O'Brien and therefore really I consider him really sort
976
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:40.920
of the grand the grand guy of stop motion. Okay,
977
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.039
not good enough to see who that is. Maybe this
978
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.000
will help ah, yes it does.
979
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.800
Okay, so I know that's Doug Murray on the right.
980
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.000
That's not gonna help us much.
981
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:00.320
That is Rick Baker, a young Rick Baker had just
982
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.119
done the incredible Melting Man before his career really exploded,
983
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.760
Academy Wood Winner. I mean, you know the stuff that
984
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.280
he did for a Planet, you know, Tim Burton's Plan
985
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:12.159
of the Apes and Mighty Joe Young.
986
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.559
It seems like they were all like young fans who
987
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:18.320
were able to use their talent to get into the business,
988
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:20.119
and the conventions had a lot to do with it.
989
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:24.800
I think it certainly helped. I don't know if you
990
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.039
knew this. Maybe you did. When we were looking for
991
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.920
before we moved to tow seventeen Kenwood, and I was
992
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.159
out going and looking at spaces for offices. Our guy Mark,
993
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.719
who's our real turn for a thousand years, says, I've
994
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.480
got to take you to a place. It's a little
995
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:44.159
beaten up, but you might like it. So it takes
996
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.079
us to this place. I walk in the door and
997
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.679
there's a giant case with Mighty Joe Young's head in it,
998
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:57.480
the Redo Baker Charlie. Immediately I knew it. This was
999
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:01.039
Rick Baker's studio that he was just in the process
1000
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:05.000
of vacate. We didn't move there, no, because the place
1001
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.440
was a shambles. It looked like he had ripped poles
1002
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.199
out of the walls and stuff. It was crazy. I
1003
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.880
don't know what they were doing in there, but one
1004
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.920
of the geniuses. And then of course he had another
1005
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.840
great Adam Male in Broglio, where I had picked him
1006
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.880
up at JFK Airport. My car got a flat tire,
1007
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.800
so Rick and I have to climb over the van
1008
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:27.039
Wick Expressway the crash barrier with his suitcase filled with
1009
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:29.280
his props. He was a good sport about it. He
1010
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.920
was young. I know this and yet another thing I
1011
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.440
can never live down. Okay, I know who this is,
1012
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:44.280
Rob Botein, Rob Boteam, who had a fairly brief moment where.
1013
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.159
He was the hottest guy, like with whalees or something.
1014
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.559
Well, the thing John Carpenter's nineteen eighty two was revolutionary.
1015
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.840
What to do with that? So incredible? So his career
1016
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.199
was just like a lightning and a bottle coming. Well,
1017
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.519
I mean it was you know, maybe three of four years,
1018
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.400
and he was very much in demand, and then he
1019
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.039
kind of dropped off the face of the earth. I
1020
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.480
don't know what happened, but an amazing town.
1021
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.920
I remember him being part of that nice guy and
1022
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:09.400
just I.
1023
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.480
Mean the thing which just blew my mind. Okay, sorry,
1024
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:15.599
this is not meant to look at me and my
1025
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.039
stupid silver lamet jumpsuit, which was inspired by Lost in Space,
1026
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.599
by the way, but rather to look at the two
1027
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.719
guys that are sitting at that table, the second from
1028
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.320
the right and the far right. You have to look well,
1029
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:28.559
I know, I know who they are.
1030
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:35.159
You got Tom Savigni and the guy who produced Maniac.
1031
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.840
He starred in Maniac. Oh, okay, I knew he was
1032
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:48.280
involved with famous count director. I'm not batting. Was pretty
1033
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.639
he was pretty renowned. Okay, what's his name, Joe Spanell? Joe. Yeah,
1034
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:56.679
Slavini brought him to one of our shows. I believe
1035
00:59:56.800 --> 01:00:01.800
this predates No, I think it pre dates the Fangoria shows.
1036
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.400
No, we went to work with Slavini before the fact that.
1037
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.159
I'm not sure about that. Well, maybe it agreed. Yeah,
1038
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:14.360
because the the stupid jumpsuit is the trick. I know,
1039
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.639
that would be creation, that would be creation. We are
1040
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.480
the other two people on the left side, I don't
1041
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.199
recognize them. Well, they were famous back then, I guess.
1042
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.280
But anyway, have you know Savini? Of course, he and
1043
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.639
George Romero pretty well much started the whole zombie thing. Yeah,
1044
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.960
and you know, one of the great prosthetics.
1045
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.360
When the last time you spoke to Savina a few
1046
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.360
months ago, I really text nice.
1047
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:38.039
Yeah. Yeah, you know, he turns up and things from
1048
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:42.920
time to time, does stuff for Robert Rodriguez. I remember
1049
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.679
she was always very nice and supportive and Josephinell, I mean,
1050
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.559
was a pussy cat, even though he was a horrible
1051
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:48.719
murderer maniac.
1052
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:54.039
Okay, that's Bill Mooney who I was thinking we should
1053
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.800
have done like a Loss of Space reunion at Vegas
1054
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.880
this year because there's still a few people, you know,
1055
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.440
obviously Billy. But one of the two sisters are alive.
1056
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:06.480
Right, Yeah, the one closest to my heart who we
1057
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:10.079
have some photos is Jonathan. But and then and you know,
1058
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.079
he's gone, and June has gone a gott Williams has gone.
1059
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:18.039
Yeah, but Mark Goddard is still alive though, right, Well, Okay,
1060
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:19.519
I don't know. I thought it would be good because
1061
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.239
the original series and Loss of Space the same area.
1062
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.760
Very nice, and actually the the Redo of Loss in
1063
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.280
Space I thought was fantastic, the one on Netflix, absolutely sensational.
1064
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.199
I even liked the movie that the Newline did with
1065
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:36.159
Gary Oldman. I remember that that was pretty darn good too. Yeah.
1066
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:43.559
There he is, my beloved Jonathan. I remember him saying that, well,
1067
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.559
Leonard Nimoy isn't going to sit here and doogle autographs
1068
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:47.559
this long like I am.
1069
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:51.320
He felt he was his contemporary. They were right, well, I.
1070
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.920
Mean, Jonathan was a noted character actor in this day.
1071
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.280
He's a lovely guy, but not in the same category
1072
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.960
as Learner Nimoy probably not. I mean, you know, he
1073
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:04.559
was really the hard, very nice, the heart and soul
1074
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.280
of loss and space, I think, and I remember him
1075
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.679
being really nice to He used to send me letters
1076
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:14.440
from his cruises. Yeah, get letters from him every few months.
1077
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:19.119
That is Roger Corman, right, Yeah, Roger came to quite
1078
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.480
a few of our Yeah. Yeah, Roger came to promote
1079
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:26.639
Battle Beyond the Stars, which was his big science fiction bid.
1080
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:29.679
Yeah, to enter into bigger budgets.
1081
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.760
With a young up and coming special effects guy that
1082
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:36.320
was on his team named James Cameron. James Carman and
1083
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.239
Richard Thomas came to the convention to Richard Thomas also,
1084
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.280
and that was pretty well. I think John Boy Sibil
1085
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.800
Danning might have been in that too, yeah, Sybil Danny. Yeah, anyway, Corman,
1086
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.719
you know, we all just passed away recently, sadly, but
1087
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.400
everybody in Hollywood at Marris Corman, he was like, you know,
1088
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.599
King of B movies, King of the B movies. Very nice.
1089
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:58.880
Okay, that's an interesting one.
1090
01:02:59.480 --> 01:02:59.599
Uh.
1091
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.159
Anthony Perkins from Psycho and that was at a Creation show.
1092
01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.559
Yeah, or it could have been at a Frengloria show.
1093
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:08.480
I don't think so.
1094
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.239
What was he had to promote the redo of Psycho?
1095
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:13.119
I think it was the remake of Psycho.
1096
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.239
I think it was just because he was legendary at
1097
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:15.679
that point.
1098
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:20.719
Very nice man. Yeah, that was a pretty good booking. Yeah, great,
1099
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:26.519
Anthony Perkins. Why Grasshopper, you don't recognize him?
1100
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.079
You know what it's it's just because I can't see
1101
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:39.719
that maybe. Okay, that's from Kung.
1102
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:44.840
Fu, right, yes, and also from Kill Bill and also
1103
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:50.559
Horrible Death Right. That's David Garrett Caryah. Okay, do you
1104
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.039
remember which show of ours was at? That was William
1105
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:58.079
Shatner's charity horseshow Yeah, you got it. He wasn't actually
1106
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:03.599
that Hollywood Chartery Horse shows that we co produced chat. Yeah,
1107
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.960
and we had a good run with him twenty five years. Yeah. Yeah,
1108
01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:10.280
and we still support it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, like god forbid,
1109
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.239
at the age of ninety four, Bill could like, you know,
1110
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:14.159
just close the book on that, but he's just going
1111
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:16.639
to just keep doing it. It's great. Yeah, it's fantastic.
1112
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:18.199
All right.
1113
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.800
This is actually a double photo that somehow got married
1114
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.960
into one photo. But there's two different things here for
1115
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.480
you to look at. First, on the left that is
1116
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:32.199
Richard Hatch, right, Richard Hatch facing an old school Sylon
1117
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.800
and the robot dog right right from our one of
1118
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.599
our costume competitions. Okay. And then on the right, I'm
1119
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:46.159
gonna say that Sandell Bargain Sandelberg I got correct, Yes, wow,
1120
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:48.320
statue s gorgeous, sandel Bergman.
1121
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.239
So when Aaron moved here, he got a condo in
1122
01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:56.079
for a bank. It's like neighbor was well, yeah, well
1123
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.000
in the first Conan movie, yeah, Schwartz.
1124
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:00.480
Yeah.
1125
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:05.599
And also in all that Jazz and that notorious Yeah yeah.
1126
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:07.159
Lovely lady.
1127
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:13.760
That is Don Wells from Gilligan's Island, noted actress, and.
1128
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.280
And she's the one that she's the one that I
1129
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:21.639
think fans, you know, of the two her and and
1130
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.960
teen Louise Teana Louise, I think the fans preferred Mary
1131
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.960
Anne the character. Yeah, I think it was all pretty iconic. Yeah,
1132
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:33.320
that actually would have been a great thing to do
1133
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:37.039
a thing with the Gilligan's cast. We we actually worked
1134
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:43.519
with Bob Denver, we did and her. I think that's
1135
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:45.440
the only two from the show we Actually.
1136
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:52.599
That is Noel Neil, who played Lois Lane on the
1137
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:54.480
George Reeves Superman TV show.
1138
01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:57.960
She's one of our favorite games, replacing Phyllis Coats, right,
1139
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.480
because Adam and I watched the show all the time kids,
1140
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.320
and she was great too, great game sensation.
1141
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:05.519
She she came in like I guess the red of
1142
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:06.039
the costumes.
1143
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:07.159
She were on the show all the time.
1144
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.079
And then and then you also, Adam, you worked with
1145
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:12.760
the guy who played Jimmy Olsen.
1146
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:13.440
As Jack Larson.
1147
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:13.800
Yeah.
1148
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:15.519
I don't know if you have a photo that, but
1149
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:16.960
here's there's there's that costume.
1150
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:21.360
Yeah, she was the dog. Very absolutely loved her. Noel Neil.
1151
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:28.079
All right, So that's Patrick McNee, star of the Avengers,
1152
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:30.960
who didn't really appear at the convention.
1153
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.559
He kind of he just walked on state to say hello.
1154
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:37.480
He was like good friends with cham but he was
1155
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:38.559
promoting his book at the time.
1156
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.440
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so he's pretty nice, right, Oh.
1157
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:44.440
Yeah, yeah, I mean the Avengers and and the amazing
1158
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:48.119
Diana Rigg. Yeah, missus Peel, Yeah, whom we never had
1159
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:49.920
as a guest, but I would love to be. She's
1160
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:52.960
pretty awesome. In the Game of Thrones, a thousand years later. Yeah,
1161
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.159
I didn't remember until I was kind of got of
1162
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.199
advanced look at the that Jamie Lee Kers actually appeared
1163
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.199
with us. Am I right, Yeah, she sure did. I
1164
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.719
don't remember that. I believe it was of them. I'm
1165
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.039
pretty sure it was. Wow. Yeah that's great. Yeah, great, lady.
1166
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:17.320
Is that another Academy Award nominee or winner that we've
1167
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:18.079
had our convention?
1168
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:19.559
There have been a lot of them. Yeah, she had
1169
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:25.119
an incredible career still working there. Amazing. Okay, that is
1170
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:31.159
Callen Monroe, who was a James Bond girl and she
1171
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.800
did our conventions. She was also in SYMBD or something.
1172
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:34.119
Yeah.
1173
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.000
Yeah, and she was also in a couple of you know,
1174
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.639
GRADEB science fiction movies and did some work with her
1175
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:46.599
husband at the time, Judd. She was an absolute angel.
1176
01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:50.920
She used to really really classy lady knew how to
1177
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.880
treat us. You know, we were young boys. And yeah,
1178
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:55.960
I mean she came to visit us and when we
1179
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.639
had our little tiny office on Seventh Avenue. Yeah, and
1180
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.079
she was like a Bond girl.
1181
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:05.239
So we went out to that launch and like everyone,
1182
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:06.000
he thought.
1183
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:13.440
She was that gorgeous. Yeah, and really she's so nice. Well, uh,
1184
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:17.479
that's Adam West not wasn't that great for us to
1185
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:19.760
work with. I don't think that Adam is unfortunate we
1186
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.279
had We don't really have to labor it. Well, why
1187
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:26.119
not we We didn't have a good experience with him professionally,
1188
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.399
But you know, I certainly loved Batman and all the
1189
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.600
incredible characters. Being on Batman in the sixties was like
1190
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.000
a huge thing to be an actor, right, Yeah, but
1191
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.079
I mean out of all the all the folks we
1192
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:41.920
grew up watching as kids and loving most of the interactions,
1193
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.680
were you come all off saying, oh this is pretty favorable. Yeah,
1194
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.560
but this is one of the cases where it was.
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01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:49.720
Now we also don't have a photo of him. Got
1196
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.840
to work with Burt Ward and that was fun. I
1197
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.119
thought Burt. Burt was pretty nice, and we also got
1198
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:56.199
to work with this guy.
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01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:57.279
Yeah.
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01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.680
So Frank Gorschen, Uh, I remember it was now that
1201
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.319
was the Statler. Yeah. I think he may have also
1202
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.279
been in one of our Star Truk shows. Yeah, I
1203
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:10.479
think that's why we did book him. Yeah, yeah, because
1204
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.800
he was in that. He was that character with the
1205
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.479
one side as black and ye. Yeah, yeah, that's an
1206
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:22.840
amazing episode. Yeah, he did I remember him doing impressions
1207
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.720
on stage, which of course is what he was most
1208
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:29.319
famous for. Yeah, okay, all right, so that is the
1209
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:34.319
day where we signed our contractor on the official Starlock conventions,
1210
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:38.479
and I think the Fango Flango we kind of bring
1211
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.319
us off for that. And that's Bob Shrek on the
1212
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:44.640
last Some fans might know Bob. He went on to
1213
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:47.359
work for DC Comics for many years and also for
1214
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:51.680
dark Horse. Yeah, wasn't he the editor of Dark Knight,
1215
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.680
wasn't he? I think he was. But I still keep
1216
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.039
in touch with Bob and he's doing well. And the
1217
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.439
car who to the publishers. That's right, Norman. Jacob's not
1218
01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.399
in this photo. But actually after Kerry left the company, Norman,
1219
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.159
we continued to do in best with Norman for several
1220
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:09.079
years afterwards.
1221
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:12.199
I don't remember that they weren't a partnership.
1222
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.560
Carry left. Kerry left really yet to pursue his writing career.
1223
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.760
Oh okay, and Norman stayed on and we continued to
1224
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.960
work with Norman, and quite quite well. Actually, in the
1225
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.880
later years. We really got on well with Norman. He
1226
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:26.840
really started to understand a lot about what we do
1227
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:28.880
and he was good. It was he was a great
1228
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.439
producer pler. Yeah, and of course I don't have a
1229
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.680
photo of him, but Tony Timpone, who was sort of
1230
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:39.840
the figurehead of Thangloria magazine and the Fangloria weekend of
1231
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.199
Harst Convention that we did it is an absolute jem,
1232
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:45.000
incredible to work with. We had a twenty five year
1233
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.000
working experience with Tony that I treasured very much. I
1234
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:52.039
really loved that guy and he was amazing and used
1235
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:54.520
to bring an incredible talent to our shows. Look what
1236
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:59.640
happened to all of them? They're okay, this is really
1237
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.840
hard to read, but this is the notes for Vincent
1238
01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:08.760
Price's appearance his Rider show. That was like one of
1239
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.239
the best highlights ever having Vincent Price as a guess.
1240
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:14.279
But Joe Dante interview. You imagine getting Joe Dante to
1241
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.479
interview with Vincent Price and really did a lot of
1242
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.479
cool stuff, so incredible and Dante jumped at the chance
1243
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:24.520
when we want to Yeah, he said, Vincent Price, I'm there, Yeah,
1244
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.760
come on. So it was pretty amazing. Yeah, that was definitely. Yeah.
1245
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:31.319
Vincent passed away not too long after that, sadly. Yeah,
1246
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:32.920
one of the great Spencent Price.
1247
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:38.199
Well, of course Alvira. Yeah, she was always great to have.
1248
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:42.680
I think she's doing appearances now, but not as the character. Yeah, Cassandra,
1249
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.159
great lady, Cassandra Peterson. And do you haven't recognized the
1250
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:53.680
characters the left of her. I'm gonna guess is that like,
1251
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.319
I'm not good Skeexus or something very good.
1252
01:11:57.640 --> 01:11:59.600
I got it, you got it. I don't know where
1253
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:03.239
I know the Skexes from Dark Crystal and that was
1254
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.359
a costume contest winner, which is why they're in that
1255
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:11.119
photo with Cassandra. Believe she actually Alvira judged that competition
1256
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:13.600
very possibly, but the fact that I got it and
1257
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:17.960
Alvira was no help at all. Yeah, No, that's a
1258
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:19.479
great piece of costume work.
1259
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:19.880
Of course.
1260
01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:24.960
Henson, Brian Henson did a Dark Crystal reboot recently, I
1261
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:29.359
think on Amazon or Netflix, which wasn't really financially successful,
1262
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.560
but I thought artistically it was creatively it was well done. Here.
1263
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.359
Okay, that's a publicity shot, but that's Tom Baker, who
1264
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.000
we worked with, I think maybe a couple of times,
1265
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.399
but definitely in Chicago. That's Chicago, which was the first
1266
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:47.800
appearance that was like sold that and we added another
1267
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:49.039
show and that sold out.
1268
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:52.760
Okay, and that's what we had three weeks. We knew
1269
01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:55.880
that we had Tom Baker three weeks before the show.
1270
01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.279
And this is before the Internet, before our social platforms,
1271
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.439
before all of that. Six thousand people sold out in
1272
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:05.840
three weeks. Yeah.
1273
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.159
Well, if you remember back then, Doctor Who was on
1274
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:13.520
PBS stations and you couldn't advertise on them, but you
1275
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:16.199
could work a deal where you would give free tickets
1276
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.439
out to the PBS station and they would let you
1277
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:19.920
go on air to pitch the convention.
1278
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:22.840
We would literally go to the PBS station. Yeah, I
1279
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.920
went to several. Yeah, I remember going along with John
1280
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:26.720
Nathan Turner.
1281
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:29.920
Yeah, you know, and and the station were pretty generous
1282
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.119
to give us the time, and then damn you'd make
1283
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:35.720
the announcement and you know, Ticketron would go crazy take
1284
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:36.880
a tron in those days.
1285
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:40.960
And we had a brief and fun flirtation with Doctor
1286
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.920
Who fandom. Yeah, a few of those shows. I am
1287
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.159
just chomping at the bit to go and do another
1288
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:48.640
one in the modern era. So I'm still hoping We're
1289
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:50.760
going to do a Doctor Who convention one of these days,
1290
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:53.399
I hope. So that was in the eighties. We ran
1291
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:55.800
a lot of us forty years ago, buddy. You know,
1292
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:58.000
well Tom Baker's still a long.
1293
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.600
J war that is not from a convention.
1294
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.479
No. But when we moved out to California, which was
1295
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:09.840
nineteen ninety, late ninety one, early ninety two, one of
1296
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:11.880
the things that drove me out. One of the things
1297
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:15.159
that drove us out to LA was all the Hollywood
1298
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.000
personalities that were out here. And Jay Ward had a
1299
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:21.479
store that some people might remember. I'm Sunset Boulevard with
1300
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:26.279
a giant Bullwinkle standing outside the store. So in the
1301
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.119
couple of years before we came here, I came out
1302
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:32.039
to look at office space and look at possible places
1303
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:34.800
to live, and I got to meet Jay Ward just
1304
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:38.279
before he passed away. It was unbelievable. Go into his store.
1305
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.680
He's not there. There's a woman at the counter, which
1306
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:43.239
turned out to be his wife, and I started saying,
1307
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.239
Oh my god, I can't believe I'm this Jay He's
1308
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.560
supposed to be here. And she says, you really want
1309
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:51.319
to meet Jane. I said, oh God. So she yells
1310
01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:54.880
to the bad Jay. He comes out from the back room.
1311
01:14:55.000 --> 01:15:03.840
Jay Ward, that's pretty fair there. He was very nice story. Yeah, yeah,
1312
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:07.000
this is not someone that was one of my favorites either.
1313
01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:10.399
But I know we worked with David alone it quite
1314
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.119
a bit. Yeah, in the in the initial Star Wars Seurge. Yeah,
1315
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.359
and he trained Christopher Reied to play Superman. And we
1316
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:20.399
don't have any photos from it, but we did do
1317
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:24.479
that tenth anniversary Star Trek meets Star Wars, which was
1318
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:27.439
the unofficial Star Wars tenth anniversary event.
1319
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:30.319
Yeah, that was just a Star Wars anniversary event.
1320
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:33.800
But we brought Gene Roderberry on stage with George Lucas,
1321
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:39.840
which was pretty evolutionary. Yeah, that was the only time event. Yeah, Okay,
1322
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.560
this will be very difficult, but it is FROMR. James
1323
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:50.880
Bond convention and one of two. One was in New
1324
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:55.439
York and one was in LA. I know that the
1325
01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.319
two women on the left were Bond girls, I think,
1326
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:04.720
And then the gentleman could that it's not the one
1327
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.319
George lazenbye, maybe pause, it's George Listener.
1328
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.600
And then I assume the one on the right is
1329
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:15.720
another condo. But I'm going to guess that I was
1330
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:16.319
going to try to.
1331
01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:17.079
Guess the name of it.
1332
01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.119
Gloria Hendry or something like that is the name.
1333
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:22.720
Of one of the women. Well, inquiring fans find out
1334
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:24.600
and let us know. I think, I'm yeah. It was
1335
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:27.560
great meeting George. And we did two shows for Dan
1336
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.039
Jack for the people that oh N only did the
1337
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:31.640
one in LA and then we did one in New
1338
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.960
York at the Hudson Theater right with Pierce bros That
1339
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:38.359
was for the opening of GoldenEye, which was amame. This
1340
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:40.760
was a legit Broadway theater that we did. Listen it
1341
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.199
was pretty umble. And then we also showed Goldfinger or
1342
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:45.800
reuh what do they call those? Re edited and not
1343
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:51.279
re edited, an improved version of gold cleaned up at
1344
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:55.079
the Director's Guild. So I was I worked with Pierce Brosnen.
1345
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:58.119
And then thirty years later my son worked with him
1346
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.680
on the Sun, which was a show that pros. Yeah,
1347
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.439
my son was actually a production associated on that's very nice.
1348
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:09.960
And then I mean, you know, we had the bold
1349
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:14.800
Finger car. Yeah, that was fun and there's some customers
1350
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.720
so iconic. We also had that lotus that Roger Bore
1351
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.520
drove in that also goes underwater. Oh he did. I
1352
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.119
don't remember that. I might have been New York. I
1353
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:29.880
only went to the LA one. Yeah, yeah, okay, quantumly right,
1354
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.000
So I think we had just moved here and we.
1355
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:38.079
We ranquite the first Quantum Leap show around that time, right, Yeah,
1356
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.920
and Universal Studios volunteered to build a stage, which I
1357
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.119
think was one of the only times the studio actually
1358
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.800
built one of our stages. And it was like really impressive.
1359
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:50.079
There was like an entrance and an exit and it
1360
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:51.199
was like well built up.
1361
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.920
This is the blueprint for it. Yeah, and I remember
1362
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:58.319
that the show was pretty successful and we had Von
1363
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:01.159
Bellisario come right, the guy who created it. Yeah. We
1364
01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:04.600
actually worked with Don Bellisario twice a time. Yeah. And
1365
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:07.800
Don actually and Deborah Pratt has what avery the time
1366
01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.039
worked with us on those shows. They were really great.
1367
01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:13.720
We had a great time. And this is where we
1368
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:15.960
met Scott Bakula, who we went on to work with
1369
01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:19.199
of course on Enterprise and who is when we could
1370
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:22.000
get him because he had such a busy career. An
1371
01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:24.680
incredible guest to have at the Vegas show. I'd love
1372
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:26.800
to have next year. Maybe I'm hoping for that. That's
1373
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:31.000
going to be the thirtieth anniversary of Enterprise, is it. Yeah,
1374
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:36.039
it's crazy. Yeah, that went fast, Yeah, sure did. And
1375
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:38.760
that was on the back of the Quantum leap schedule.
1376
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:42.119
I think it's got our shows that year. Yeah, we
1377
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.199
were pretty busy. Yeah, I mean, you know, we would
1378
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.840
run three four shows in the weekend. It's it's outrageous.
1379
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:47.319
Yeah.
1380
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:52.840
On to the Star trek Era. Oh okay, Well, obviously
1381
01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:55.399
gene Ron and Berry. We've talked about him a number
1382
01:18:55.399 --> 01:18:59.159
of times over the past programs. Yeah, a great bird
1383
01:18:59.199 --> 01:18:59.800
of the galaxy.
1384
01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:04.279
So here we have one of my favorite guests of
1385
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:08.000
walkin Davars Kelly and his wife Carolyn. So you you
1386
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.359
actually got to know them pretty well, right personally?
1387
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:14.279
Yeah, very nice. They were wonderful. I lived in Sherman Oaks,
1388
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:19.159
Grain Leaf and had a nice home, and we used
1389
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:22.600
to go out to the shows and we have a wonderful,
1390
01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:25.640
wonderful time. Of course, of course, let us print that
1391
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:27.760
copy of his poem Big Bird's Dream.
1392
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.399
I just remember he, you know, because we were like
1393
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.880
so young, and he was a veteran of show business
1394
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.520
and he, you know, just like really supportive of what
1395
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:37.239
we were doing.
1396
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:40.000
And he didn't have to be. Now. He was wonderful, complimentary.
1397
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:41.920
I was there that day when he got a star
1398
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:44.760
in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which was well deserved.
1399
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:51.239
Absolutely super young Walter Kane, right, who has.
1400
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.079
The distinction of being the longest running Creation Star Trek
1401
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:59.880
celebrity nineteen seventy nine, So that would make it forty sick.
1402
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:12.479
Okay, So here we have Bill the Forrest and Leonard
1403
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:13.760
Nimoy with you.
1404
01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:19.680
But do you know what this is for? Hmmm?
1405
01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:24.239
I know we had him on stage a bunch of times,
1406
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:25.800
so this is for a specific reason.
1407
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:30.000
Yeah, this is for DeForest Kelly's Lifetime Achievement Award. Oh okay,
1408
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:33.600
the nighttime show, Well, I mean I don't remember what
1409
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:35.920
it was, but I know we we did present it
1410
01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:38.039
with a Lifetime Achievement Award. And I'll never forget what
1411
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.600
he said to everybody. He thanked everybody who loved him,
1412
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:43.279
and he said, and I love you all more than
1413
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:45.520
you say you love me. That's very smith.
1414
01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:53.119
Mark Leonard Star Trek was so popular back then when
1415
01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:55.760
we were running so many shows that you could have
1416
01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:00.399
a convention starring Mark Leonard on Saturday and Lennard on
1417
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:01.279
Sunday and half.
1418
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.399
A thousand people. And of course he was kind of
1419
01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:06.680
a buddy with the Walter Kane and they did a Yeah,
1420
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:08.880
they did a couple of stage shows together the Boys
1421
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.239
of Order, and that was the first time that one
1422
01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:13.399
of the first time to where some of the conventions
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that guests actually did something, you know, beyond signing autogress involved.
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We had to rent this big Rick Shaw that the
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two of them came out on stage, and which was
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01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:26.279
a really funny I like the idea that they were
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01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:29.239
trying to do something good for the audience. Sureon just
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01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.520
oh well, they're both very creative guys, you know Walter
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01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:34.920
of course as a writer, I don't think Walter ever
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01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:37.239
felt like he realized his career in the way that
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he had wanted to.
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We still, well, okay, this was cool because I think
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01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:47.479
it was the most captains we ever had on stage
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01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:51.640
together at one time, four captains, right, So I don't
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01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.319
know if we'll ever be able to have that. It'll
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01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:56.800
be tough, Yeah, it would be very tough.
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01:21:57.039 --> 01:21:59.319
And this is also at a time when captains were
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01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:03.479
I think maybe even more iconic than they are now. Definitely,
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01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:06.359
but that was an amazing moment. Yeah, sure, and they
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01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:08.840
were all great. I do in this avery. He hasn't
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01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.199
been on our stages in a few years. Incredible talent.
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01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:14.239
He did a jazz performance for us that was unbelievable.
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01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:17.199
We're not giving up hope. No, we're still hoping with
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01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:24.720
the sixteenth anniversary, you know, maybe that Okay, this was
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01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:28.439
I think a screening of something right star Trek four
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01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.680
and you got it signed. It looks like a lot
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01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:37.000
of production people, but I can't really see Braziley Whitney.
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01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:39.840
This was at the Paramount Theater on the Paramount.
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01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:40.119
Yeah.
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01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:45.119
Yeah, that theater they have there is really gorgeous. Okay,
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01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.039
so what do we have here? We have a schedule
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01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:54.359
of This is for the Shrine. The Shrine, Yeah, where everyone.
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01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:57.239
This was the last, I think the second to last
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01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:59.039
appearance of the entire cast. I think they did it
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01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:07.159
in in Huntsville, Alabama with us after This is from Huntsville.
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01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:10.359
No, this is from the shrine, but they all appeared
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01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:14.199
one more time for us at with Paramoa at in Huntsville.
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01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:17.399
Yeah. And I mean that that whole Shrine thing was
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01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:24.520
incredible experience. I know exactly what this is. Okay. So
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01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:30.600
that's Nicholas Meyer, director writer, right. And he loved, love
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01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:35.039
love those the blanket right that he kind of created
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01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:38.199
I suppose maybe so he wanted a stewards and merchandise, right,
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01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:40.319
and we did and it was great. Yeah, Nick was
1464
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:43.279
one of one of the best directors. Yeah, definitely. And
1465
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.840
also I guess wrote or co wrote the sixth film.
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01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:53.279
That's amazing. Yeah, that is us from Well. It's just
1467
01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:55.399
a shot of us in front of that beautiful stage
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01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.119
set that we had for many years. This might have
1469
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:02.439
been fifty versuon Well, you could have been I'm not
1470
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:04.079
sure if this is at the Rio. It could have
1471
01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:09.199
been at the I don't know why that's in there,
1472
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:13.079
but famous Gary Burman cartoon. Yeah, which you would leave
1473
01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.039
these scribbles around and I would find them and I
1474
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:21.800
saved them nervous energy. That was our visit to the
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01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:25.760
Drew Carry Show and we did our Drew Carry action figures, which,
1476
01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.800
by the way, our Drew carric Drew Carry doll was
1477
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:35.039
an award winner the worst UH representation of a celebrity
1478
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:41.359
because Uh Tolay Magazine some official play magazine because the
1479
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.920
dog was way too thin compared to Drew Carry.
1480
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.880
Of course, Drew Carry wanted us to make it a
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01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:49.800
little little side.
1482
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:51.439
That was great though.
1483
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:54.159
Being on the set that was like a big hit.
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01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:56.119
And then we also did the Saturny live.
1485
01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:58.680
Dolls, which were a lot of fun. Did they ever
1486
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.960
actually come out? Yeah, yeah, they were sold that toys,
1487
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:04.439
r US and KB Toys all these places now out
1488
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:08.920
of remember that the original models were worth thousands. Uh
1489
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:13.000
there is. Yeah, he's cost a lot of money. Yeah,
1490
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:14.159
that was cool that.
1491
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:19.359
I was like, really fascinating when I first saw this picture,
1492
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:22.640
trying to remember it's from that's Steam Devil in the
1493
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:30.159
middle and Hank Azaria and Harry Sheer. So I know
1494
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:32.720
those two from The Simpsons. But what did they do
1495
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:33.399
with the devil?
1496
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.960
Was it that? I think it might This would either
1497
01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:42.039
have been eight Legged Freaks or Godzilla, one of those
1498
01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:44.640
two films. I think we have another photo which points
1499
01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.399
out what it's from. This is it? Yeah? But but
1500
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:52.319
are they Yeah, you're right, he's stressed in the same thing,
1501
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:54.199
so that we're going to say eight like it Freaks
1502
01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:59.960
because I see Rick Overton, Rick Overton's there, David are
1503
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:07.039
Cat our Cat, and Dean. Okay, I liked that movie
1504
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:09.079
and we had a great time with Dean doing the
1505
01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:14.000
electric entertainment. That was okay.
1506
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:17.119
This publicity shot from Alien Nation. We ran a bunch
1507
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:20.199
of conventions for that and I was like a great show.
1508
01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:21.960
And uh.
1509
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:28.039
That Gary Graham originally ran passed on right, Yeah, went
1510
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.359
on to be in Star Trek and yeah, became a
1511
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.760
fixture of our shows. Yeah, many, we ran a couple
1512
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.119
of these shows. Yeah, I thought I liked that program.
1513
01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:40.359
Who was the show creator, Ken Johnson? That makes sense.
1514
01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:44.680
I don't think we ever had Ken Johnson. This is
1515
01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:49.079
like really cool that we were able to work with
1516
01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:55.239
Roddy McDowell. Yeah, and I definitely, how so that was fun. Well,
1517
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:57.439
you and I know the story, but most of the
1518
01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:00.760
people who watch the show don't know that. And Planet
1519
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.840
of the Apes, the original film came out. I went
1520
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.479
to see it at the movie theater and showed up
1521
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:10.920
at the end of the film. You were walking out
1522
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:15.439
and I was walking in. I guess you walked out
1523
01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:17.680
before the very end of it, because when I walked in,
1524
01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:19.840
the first thing I saw was the statue of Liberty.
1525
01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:20.479
Yeah.
1526
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.079
I probably got dragged out by a parent saying it's over.
1527
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:26.119
And then you came in and ruined the movie because
1528
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:28.880
you saw the end of the first saw the ending first.
1529
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.880
It was funny though, that we came what a great picture.
1530
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.119
Charlie Heston was like a big deal back then.
1531
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:38.560
Doug Murray had quite a few items from the film.
1532
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:39.479
I think he's still does it.
1533
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:42.439
All right.
1534
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:47.039
So this is from the X Files conventions that we did,
1535
01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:50.600
and Charles Nelson Riley did an episode and he was
1536
01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:53.199
a guest at the convention. I remember him being really
1537
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:56.000
really funny on stage, which makes a lot of sense,
1538
01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.479
but really one of our better games. I love the guy.
1539
01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:02.000
And of course who was a picture on the game shows? Yeah,
1540
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:06.640
really great. Yeah, nice that we got to work. I
1541
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:08.640
think this might be the last one we've got in
1542
01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:14.760
this group, right, okay, oh yeah, Jeffrey tambour I didn't
1543
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:18.560
even I didn't know that we worked with him. Max Sedro, Yeah,
1544
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:20.960
but I didn't realize he was part of that and
1545
01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:24.439
he went on to become even really famous, very famous.
1546
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:29.920
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but just it that is
1547
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:33.520
I think that's it. No, that's not it. Wait a minute,
1548
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:36.159
I was in this photo. Well, we've prapped you up.
1549
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:38.159
What happened to me?
1550
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:42.079
There was probably another photo with the three I'm sure
1551
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:43.239
there was. Anyway.
1552
01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:48.439
This was great because Tim Conway came to our convention
1553
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:52.800
because his grand I think his grand daughter was a
1554
01:28:52.920 --> 01:29:01.159
fan of Supernatural of Supernatural and his step order ran
1555
01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:04.600
his career for many years, so she said it up anyway. Yeah,
1556
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:06.600
so we got to meet Tim Conway and we were
1557
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:09.479
able to introduce Tim Conway to Jaron and Jansen, which
1558
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.359
was really cool, and he was like really nice and fun.
1559
01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:15.119
It's like we met a lot of great people in
1560
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:17.520
our career. Yeah, you know, people that we loved as kids.
1561
01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:18.159
It's been fun.
1562
01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:18.560
Yeah.
1563
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:21.159
I'm going to try and find another treasure Trovies and
1564
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.560
will be up on the time. We got it. Thanks,
1565
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:26.239
Thanks Funny, Thanks guys, I'm out here.
1566
01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.960
Was that right? I mean, what an incredible legacy these two.
1567
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:31.840
Have given us.
1568
01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:36.680
Clus I was actually very surprised by how much influence
1569
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:41.119
Emenzies did have on sci fi and special effects, really
1570
01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:45.079
really fascinating stuff. As our last show of twenty twenty five,
1571
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.199
we have Trek to Chicago November twenty second and twenty
1572
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.920
third at the Weston O'Hare Hotel. Definitely if you're in
1573
01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.600
the area, check it out. We have William Shatner, Jerry Ryan,
1574
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:57.960
really good set of talent coming to the show. And
1575
01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:00.680
then in twenty twenty six, guys, guys, we're going to
1576
01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:04.319
be back back on the road with two supernatural events
1577
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:08.399
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1578
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:13.359
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1579
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:17.359
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1580
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:21.520
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1581
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