Eddie Bravo: Developing 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu & Where His Creative Style Comes From | EP 52

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First couple years, no no one had any doubt.
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Jiu Jitsu's number one.
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But then after a while, wrestlers started fing up Jiu-Jitsu guys and neutralizing them.
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And then some jujitsu guys got knocked down, like Conan Silvillera got head kicked by Maury Smith.
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We're going, oh my god, jujitsu's falling apart.
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So all I was trying to do was trying to help jujitsu.
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And we gotta fix this shit.
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We gotta get good at the guard without the fing.
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Welcome to the Angels Warrior Lab.
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I'm BJJ Coral Belt and Dirty Dozen member Dave Meyer, here to draw wisdom from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and the martial arts and explore how it applies to success in business, relationships, your long-term health, and making the most out of your life.
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Okay, hold on to your hats.
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What you're about to hear is a conversation I had with my good friend Eddie Bravo.
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Eddie is one of the most creative and innovative people in BJJ and submission grappling today.
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He developed an entire new system of grappling called 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, which has now more than 200 schools globally.
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Eddie is a black belt under John Jock Mikado, where Eddie and I trained together for many years.
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I saw his potential early and was impressed at how creative and analytical he was, so much so that I actually took some private lessons from him, even though I was senior to him in belt ranking.
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The world first saw the power of his system when he submitted Hoiler Gracie in the 2003 ADCC competition in Abu Dhabi.
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Hoiler was considered to be pound for pound the best fighter in the Gracie family, and for him to be defeated by an American, and one who was just a brown belt at the time shocked the world.
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But it didn't shock me.
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Eddie's technical contribution to submission grappling are without end.
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The lockdown, the truck, the rubber guard, mission control.
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Eddie is an unparalleled creative force in BGJ and submission grappling.
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Eddie launched the Eddie Bravo invitational or EBI tournament with a unique rule set to promote better action.
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He followed that with Combat Jiu Jitsu, adding in palm strikes on the ground, again to push the grappling action.
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He's the author of books, Off the Masks.
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Eddie is a musician, a podcaster hosting Look Into It, where he discusses his, let's say, interesting ideas on various conspiracies.
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There is never a dull moment with Eddie.
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Eddie awarded Joe Rogan, his no-dee black belt, and has been a frequent guest on the Joe Rogan podcast.
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In our conversation, Eddie and I start by me spending a good amount of time sharing lots of stories about the early days of BGJ in the US.
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Then we talk about his creativity on the mat, his competition formats, music, cats, and a huge variety of topics.
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I think you're gonna really find this fun to listen to.
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Now here's the thing.
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Boys will be boys, and there are a lot of F bombs in this interview.
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If that's a problem for you, probably should skip this one.
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But if you're watching on YouTube, those may be silenced out anyway to allow for some paid promotion of the show, which requires that.
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So if you see that, now you know why.
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And so without any further ado, please sit back and enjoy my conversation with my buddy and my brother, Eddie Twister Bravo.
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Eddie, my old friend, thank you for taking the time to come and sit with me, brother.
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You know, I'll do anything for you, man.
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We are family, I would say we're jujitsu brothers, except maybe because once I moved down to the South Bay, I was training more with Higgin and you were still with Jean-Jacques.
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Well, regardless, we're first cousins.
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Well, regardless of that, you were the first guy I rolled with when I walked into the Machado Academy in 1994.
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You were the first guy, and I'm sure it was Johnny.
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Johnny said, go fuck this guy up.
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Because I went in my first day thinking, okay, I wrestled a couple years, and I'm like, and I looked at this and I saw UFC2, I saw Hoist fuck everybody up, but I was still like, dude, I've been in wrestling rooms and stuff.
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I go, this is wrestling.
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I didn't know wrestling was uh considered a martial art.
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I had no idea.
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To me, wrestling was one-on-one football.
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We tackled each other.
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That's not fighting.
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I never looked at wrestling as fighting.
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As a matter of fact, when I wrestled and got into fights in high school, I would double leg dudes, wrestle them, not because I thought I was tough or I thought I could beat them up.
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I used wrestling to survive.
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I didn't think it was fighting.
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I go anybody talk shit on me, even though I knew I couldn't take anybody down in the wrestling room because I sucked, I knew that if you didn't know how to wrestle, I'll fuck you up.
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So when I'd get in a fight, I'd double leg a dude right away and hold him down until the principal broke it up and I survived.
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I thought it was cheating.
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I'm like, whatever.
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I'm cheating, whatever.
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Like, you didn't make me cry in front of the school.
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So when I saw the damn wrestling and takedowns, I was like, You could fight that way?
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When I was watching Hoist going, oh my god, you could take guys to the ground?
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Fuck damn.
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That's legit, and you're not considered a pussy?
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I go, that's for me, because that's what I used to do.
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And when I showed up to Jean-Jacques for the first time, I had been doing karate for like nine months.
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I had one stripe on my white belt, and I thought I was the shit training six months.
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I thought I was like, man, I trained six fucking months, not three, not four, six months.
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You know what I mean?
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I thought, okay, either this jujitsu shit is prehistoric wrestling or super advanced wrestling.
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Because I thought, like, how are they gonna hold me down?
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I wrestled two years, these motherfuckers doing karate.
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Okay, let's see.
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I thought I could just throw people off me if they try to get on top of me.
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So again, I I came in on the fence like either this is prehistoric wrestling, either wrestling wrestlers are gonna fuck these guys up, or it's super advanced wrestling that's gonna overtake traditional wrestling.
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And I went in there, Johnny paired me up with you, and I don't know how many times you tapped me out, but I like to say 27 times because I like I don't remember the exact amount, but I say it like I know like I counted, like there was a like a- That's what it felt like.
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It felt like 27 times.
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Sometimes I say 35 times.
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I go, this motherfucker, I went in, he was a purple belt, and back then, people don't realize the timeline of jujitsu.
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The timeline is like basically jujitsu was born 1994, UFC 2.
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That's when it was born.
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Sure, it was in Brazil and all over the world and Japan for fucking 100 years or whatever.
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But in the United States, nobody knew shit about jujitsu.
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Only a couple people.
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Once somebody in New York, Carly Gracie, I think was in San Francisco.
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He had like six students.
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Nobody knew what the fuck jujitsu was.
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UFC2 blows up, and then all of a sudden, jujitsu's like fucking like Nirvana and fucking smells like Teen Sparrow.
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It changed the fucking world.
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And then everybody joined the there was only a couple of jiu-jitsu schools, everybody joined them.
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Like they like we had the Machados here, and then I think the Hickson, couple guys, but everybody was a white belt, and there was a few blue belts, and there was one purple belt.
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There was no purple, there was like purple belts were like a fucking myth.
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In the beginning, everybody was just it was the white belts and a couple blue belts.
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And if you made it the purple, like how the fuck did you get the purple?
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When I walked in 1994, walked into jujitsu, Dave Meyer, he was the one purple belt at the school.
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There was only one, and then Silvio became a purple too.
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So there was like two.
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Now it's a we that's a weird ass story how he, the Brazilian, ended up in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu through catch wrestling, through Jam Belt.
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Yeah, Silvio is like an anomaly.
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There's only one Silvio.
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Yeah, there's only one, and then there was also what about dudes that were already black belts in Japanese jiu-jitsu, which is different.
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That was you.
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So tell me, I know you probably told the story a million times, but to me, I walk in, you're the only purple belt.
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Johnny says, Dave, wrestle with this fucking new guy, and you fucked me up over and over and over.
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But I didn't injure you.
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No, you didn't injure me.
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Exactly.
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But to me, I loved it because I came from wrestling, and I'm a musician.
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So I understand that when you practice something that you suck at, you can get good at it if you practice it.
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You learn that in wrestling, you learn that in music.
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Practice makes perfect, or almost perfect, or close to perfect.
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Gets you better.
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Yes.
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And so I knew that.
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So when you fucked me up, I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna master this shit.
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And one day, my first goal in jujitsu in the beginning was to be able to fuck up a dude on his first day and do what you did to me, that was my first goal.
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I want to be able to do that to someone who walked in on the first day because I knew the dudes that come in on their first day, that's 99.99999999999.
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Everybody of everybody in the world.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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So if dude comes in, even if he has some athletic background and I can fuck that dude up, that means damn on the streets, if something went down, the odds are in my favor.
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You'd want to put a couple of dollars on my side.
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And that was my first goal is to wreck, to do what you did to me.
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All right.
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On the first day.
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I'm glad your first goal wasn't to do it back to me, which you eventually did.
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No, no, you, you did.
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No, you were you were like, there's no way I'm gonna beat this guy.
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No, it was like there wasn't.
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I thought like one day I'm gonna beat this.
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Like, dude, you were so far ahead of me.
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I'm like, I'm not even worried about you because I ain't gonna run into you at the fucking in the alley.
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I know, I know you ain't gonna be at the raves fucking boom bumping into me.
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It's gonna be some other dude.
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So I wasn't worried about you, right?
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I wasn't worried about the people fucking me up in class because I knew those aren't the guys I have to worry about.
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These are my training partners slash training equipment.
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That's my squat rack, that's my bench press.
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These guys are my workout instruments.
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I'm not gonna fight these guys on the street, these guys are gonna prepare me for the guys on the street.
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So that's how I looked at it.
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So it didn't bother me getting wrecked by you.
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I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be able to do this one day.
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Oh my god, because I've been a pussy my whole life, and now I'm gonna have like non-pussy powers.
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So that's why I got obsessed.
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That's why because of you.
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I appreciate that.
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And I remember, I mean, we talk about just me watching you get better and better, and we'll talk.
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I've got questions about your creativity and stuff.
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You're just I'm so proud.
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I don't have anything to do with how good you got.
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That's your hard work, that's Jean-Jacques, stuff like that.
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But I'm just so proud of you.
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I was so proud when you beat Hoyler.
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I'm so proud of everything that you've done.
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I it's just I really, really have just watched you.
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I'm just so proud of you.
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I appreciate that.
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So I started in jiu-jitsu as a little kid.
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My brother was being bullied.
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My parents, we had a cousin who was at this school in Valley College, this guy named Jack Seki.
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Oh, Jujitsu.
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My parents put in Japan.
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Japanese jujitsu.
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My br my parents put me in.
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I was a little kid, so I grew up doing jujitsu, and I was bullied a bit, and the jiu-jitsu helped me growing up, but I was kind of known as the guy to not fuck with in high school and stuff.
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Really?
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Because there was this one guy, Greg, who tried to bully me in seventh grade in front of all the other guys.
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We were playing basketball, it was like summer school going into seventh grade at Millican Junior High School, and he took the ball, and he's like, I'm not giving you the ball.
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And all my friends look over at me because like David's the jujitsu guy, right?
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And they say, What are you gonna do?
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So I'm like, oh shit.
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And he's just like tough guy.
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Everyone's scared of him.
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I'm like, give me the ball back, right?
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And he goes, No, make me.
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And I'm like, give me the ball back.
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And he said something like, Let's fight for it.
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And I'm like, I don't want to fight.
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And he said, So you're a chicken.
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And I remember saying to him, Well, would you fight a chicken?
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Like, I just wanted to, and he said, like, yeah, and that kind of pissed me off, like, really, like you're a bully?
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And I just walked right up to him and smacked him, his jaw went up, he kneed him in the stomach, took him in a front headlock, pulling him up like he's having a hard time breathing, kneed him in the stomach again, put him on the ground, and I'm like, give me the fucking.
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And I like when I got the ball, and I kind of looked at him and like, you know, gave it back to my friends, and that was that.
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And that story, of course, got all around school.
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That you became a legend.
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Nobody would ever mess with me.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That was nice in high school.
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That was like junior high in high school.
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So I was teaching, I was never doing it for a living, never wanted to do it for a living.
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I was gonna be a musician.
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That's what my dad was a musician.
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My dad wrote songs that were recorded by Billy Holliday.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah, and like all these people of his era, Tony Bennett and stuff like that.
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Oh shit.
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My dad was a musician, like in New York before I was born, right?
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Damn.
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Then he'd moved back out to the West Coast to raise his kids in the sun because he was from California and he got out of the music business.
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Although he did voice coaching for Elvis Presley in the movies.
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I got pictures of my dad with Elvis Presley as his voice coach in the movie.
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So I grew up in the shadow of this like music, you know, thing.
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That's how I got into music.
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I know we didn't, we never talked about it.
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That's the one thing.
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Like, I've known this guy forever, and he I came into jujitsu as a wannabe rock star, and you never brought up music to me.
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It's crazy.
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I always thought it was cool that you did music.
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I remember how long your hair was when you came in.
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Yeah.
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Like you had this braided hair that's even braided, like went down to the center of your back.
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And you used to my the bottom lower back dog.
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I'm telling you, it's crazy.
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Come on.
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And then you would twist it up and wear and like put it in a bun or something, and then wear a shower cap over it to hold your hand.
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Not a shower cap, not a swim cap.
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So this is what happened with that.
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When I got into jujitsu, I had long hair down at my waist.
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Yeah.
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I was like, I'm trying to be a rock star.
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I'm in Hollywood to be a rock star.
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I'm doing jujitsu and martial arts just to stay in shape.
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And I'm into martial arts without even doing it.
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I was like a Bruce Lee fanatic.
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But now I'm doing it to stay in shape because I'm gonna get a record deal and I'm gonna be playing a Detroit Tiger Stadium, and I don't want to be fat and out of shape.
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So I got to do something to stay in shape.
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So the martial arts were just first it was, you know, I tried weightlifting, I'm like, ah, fuck weightlifting.
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And then I got into karate.
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Then I saw UFC 2, and I'm like, okay, karate and shit, let me go to jujitsu.
00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:28.960
So I had long ass hair, so it's hard to grapple with long hair, you know, because imagine, even if you got a superior position, you had long hair down to your waist, you got a superior position.
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I mount, if I mount a guy, but my hair's hanging, he's gonna grab my hair and just yank it and pull it.
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So I always thought, like, damn, my I'm learning this awesome martial art, this ground fighting martial art, but my hair is gonna fuck me up.
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But I kept it and I would tie it up and I would put it in a ponytail and then tie it up like in an Axl Rose Brett Michaels type bandana.
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It was like a black and white one.
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You know those bandanas?
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Yeah.
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There's like blue ones, there's red ones, but they're like gangster bandanas.
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I always had a black one because I ain't trying to claim no gang.
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I didn't want to wear a red one and get killed by a crip.
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I wear a blue one and blood's coming after me.
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I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to get bronze medal, and these want to kill me.
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I wore a black one.
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And then one dude at this was in the valley, but the headquarters, the Machado headquarters was still in Redondo.
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That was the first school.
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The the Valley, the Tarzana school was like a satellite.
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Right.
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And that's where I went.
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And but every now and then, like I would go to fucking HQ.
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I'd go to the motherland, so I could tell the people at the satellite school in the valley that, yeah, I'm going to HQ.
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I'm above you guys.
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Like, I'm actually going to H.
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I'm making that crazy drive from Hollywood to Hermosa Beach in traffic.
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That could take an hour and a half.
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I'm at Redondo one day and it's right on the beach.
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That school was like literally two blocks from the beach.
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Right.
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And a dude there who was like a diver, like a deep sea scuba diver, said, Yo, you should wear a Jacques Cousteau scuba diver.
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That's right.
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Now I remember.
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That's right.
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So it was basically a fucking deep sea diver hood.
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I remember now.
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Like a rubber thing for my hair.
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Because my hair, because it was hard to deal with the hair with the bandana and the hair tied up halfway through rolls.
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I'm always doing my hair.
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I'm always fucking so it was a hassle.
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It must have been so fucking hot.
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So it was a problem.
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So I remember it.
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So grappling with long hair was a problem.
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And the guys that had the long hair, they all did different things.
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And I was doing the ponytail and then the Brett Michaels, and it would just fall off.
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And then he was like, dude, wear a diver's hood.
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And I'm like, what?
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So I put on a I look like I'm Jacques Rousteau about to go do some deep sea diving.
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I remember now.
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But what I did was is I put big ass oversized wrestling ear guards over it to hide the fact that I was wearing a deep sea diving hood.
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Because I didn't need the ear guards.
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I didn't need it.
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Oh protected me.
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Yeah.
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The rubber protected me.
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I had no need for ear guards, but the ear guards would disguise no one knew it was a diverse hood.
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They just see the big ass ear guards and like some thing underneath.
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But if I took them out, I would look like Jacques Rousseau.
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I remember when you finally cut your hair.
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I'm like, geez, that took you long enough.
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97.
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Yeah, it took you long enough.
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But anyway, so I had I was doing Japanese jujitsu.
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I was known.
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I had a club just for the fun of it, but I taught like not a lot of money, nothing like that.
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And then I don't want to tell, I don't want to tell this whole story.
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Basically, a guy walks in and says, Have you ever heard of the Gracie's?
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I'm like, never heard of him.
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What is it?
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And he shows me the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in action.
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And you're you're in your school teaching.
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Yeah, it's it's a class I would teach at a center.
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Oh, okay.
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.279
A guy walks in, he looks like a rough guy.
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He's watching the class.
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I'm like, all right, this is gonna be interesting.
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Afterwards, he said, You ever heard of the Gracie's?
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I'm like, no, who are they?
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Right?
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This we're talking now 1989, like something, or 89.
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Because UFC 2 was 94.
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This is before this is before the UFC win.
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No one had heard of anything.
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And he's like, shows me this tape, and I look at it, and I'm like, oh no, those guys are tough.
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That's jujitsu.
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He's like getting, they're like stomping guys' knees and putting them on the hard floor and then getting onto what I would have called Tate Shihogatami, which is the mount, four corner hold.
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Yeah.
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And like the dudes are tough, but I couldn't appreciate from the tape.
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I'm like, those are like badass jiu-jitsu guys.
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I'm a badass jiu-jitsu guy, whatever.
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And he goes, no, no, no, there's something really good going on.
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And he rolls with me.
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And I have a really hard time with him.
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Now he's a big athletic guy, did some wrestling, but it took me a while to get him.
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So I'm like, how long have you been training?
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And he says, like, three months.
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With who?
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Hickson.
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Oh.
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And I'm like, you're lying.
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And he's like, no, no, I've been taking private lessons with this guy, Hickson.
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I'm like, then there's something going on there.
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It's just unbelievable to me.
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I've been training since I was six years old and had a hard time.
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So he gives me Hickson's number.
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So I call up Hickson.
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Hickson's super nice on the phone and say, hey, I just met one of your students.
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I'd like to come and take a private.
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He's super nice to me, blah, blah, blah.
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And I'm in the valley.
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I would live in the valley, right?
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And he's out in Redondo.
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And he says, it's like, I think it was like$100 or$150 for a private.
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Back then, that was like a month's training, right?
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That was a lot of money.
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And I'm like, man, this guy's good, but he's not that good.
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And I forgot about it.
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I like, I don't care.
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Forget it.
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Then, like two months later, some one of my old students who I know comes back who'd been training with Higgin.
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Higgin uh Machado.
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This is before Jean-Jacques came into the States.
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And he said, dude, have you heard of these guys?
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They're like the Machado's, the Grace.
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Yeah, I just heard of them.
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And but I don't like, I kind of don't like the challenge thing.
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And it was too much money.
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And he goes, No, these the Machado guys are not doing the challenge.
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They're just like cool dudes.
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And I wrestle with him.
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And I beat him.
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But similarly, again, he had been my student.
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He had gotten so good.
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So I gotta check this out, gotta check this out.
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So finally, one day I get over to the Valley School.
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This was before Tarzan, where you started.
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Yeah.
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This was in the Street Village.
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This was Encino, their first school that Chuck Norris arranged for.
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And it was still Carlos Gracie Jr.
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It was called Craig Carlos.
00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:01.599
Exactly.
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That's right.
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And I walk in there, and the first night I went in there, you mentioned about how the like the bad traffic and shit.
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It's a totally rainy night in Los Angeles.
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I walk in there and they say like the Machados can't make it because like the freeways are flooded.
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And there's some purple belt guy from Australia who's teaching the class.
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And like, what's this?
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Like, I'm a black belt.
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I came here to meet these guys, and there's some weird purple belt from Australian named John Will teaching the class in from Australia.
00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:33.599
So I said, Hey, sir, I'm gonna put on a white belt just to respect you, because I'm actually black belt, but you're teaching the class, you're a purple belt, I'll put on a white belt.
00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.319
And he taught a really good class, and then he wrestles with me.
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And he wiped the mat with me, like I did with you.
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Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.
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And I'm like, wait, you're a purple belt?
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How good are the black belts?
00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:47.599
And he said, Why don't you come back and find out?
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The next day I come back, like two days later, and Hagen is there.
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Oh my god.
00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:53.599
And that was my experience, also like yours.
00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:58.319
Hagin is now this we're talking to like a young mid-20s year old Highan.
00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.359
Oh no, no, back then he was like 190.
00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:01.920
Oh, okay.
00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:02.880
And I was 180.
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I mean it was similar size.
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And he was the current four-time champion in Brazil.
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He was in his peak.
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Yeah.
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And super nicest guy in the world.
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Yeah.
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And we start rolling, and he's very respectful, like my jujitsu, my black belt, all that stuff.
00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.079
And he starts playing with me without using his hands.
00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:26.960
And he's putting me in triangles and shoulder locks and shit without and sweeping me without using his hands, just with his legs.
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.000
And he's not getting it.
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I was talking about this drill today for the first time, and like I brought it up today.
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The drill.
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Because everyone's talking about like ecological.
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And I'm like, you know what I mean?
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Live drills?
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It's like, why are you changing why are you calling it ecological now?
00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:40.559
Just live drills.
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Like, oh, they're games now.
00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:42.960
Oh, they're games?
00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:44.240
They're just live drills.
00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.759
It's like standard in jujitsu.
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:46.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:46.960
Oh, they're games now?
00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.000
Yeah, there's nothing to do.
00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:48.880
Exactly.
00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:58.559
Like, like, so we were just talking about that today, and I'm like, you know, the first game I learned was passing the guard, but the guy on bottom could only use his legs and not his hands.
00:21:58.720 --> 00:21:59.599
That's how you get a good guard.
00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.039
Yeah, we were talking about that today.
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He just brought it up.
00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.160
So he would toyed with me, toyed with me.
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I just couldn't believe it.
00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.400
And I remember I had my school, it wasn't my professional school, I was doing it for fun.
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:10.559
And I trained, I signed up immediately.
00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.960
I think Carlos was there too, Carlos Machado.
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Maybe a month or two later, Jean-Jacques showed up for the first time, didn't speak a word of English.
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He was probably in his mid-20s, but he looked so skinny and young.
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And people don't know this.
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He was the main instructor of Gracie Baja.
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Like everybody loved Jean-Jacques.
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When he left, he basically handed the school over to Carlos Gracie Jr., right?
00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.279
Who now does IBGJF.
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And Jean-Jacques is this little guy, doesn't speak a word of English, just smiling.
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And I'm like, what's this gonna be like?
00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:38.559
It's still 89, 90?
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This would have been now 990.
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Okay.
00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:41.119
I think 90.
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Still four years before the explosion.
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:44.400
Yeah, exactly.
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:49.599
And I wrestled with Jean-Jacques, and he's like, well, you know, he's just unbelievable.
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And but he doesn't speak English.
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So all he's doing is just like smiling.
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He's just smiling at me, smiling.
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And so that was how I got into it.
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That's why I got in early.
00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.000
And then I was there when the UFC started out.
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We sat and watched with Machado Brothers, the first UFC.
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.720
I never I never trained with Hoyce.
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It wasn't part of his training because there was like this friction between the Machados over the name, and Hoyce was with Horian.
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:13.599
And there was a little bit of friction going on there at the time.
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But anyway, that's how I got in.
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That's why I was a purple button.
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I was the most senior guy in the valley, but I had started training.
00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:23.680
I also wanted to be, I actually moved down to Redondo Beach to train with like the good guys.
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:24.960
Yeah, the mothership.
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.319
Well, Bob Bass, you know, and that's where the five brothers were.
00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:29.920
And I mean, I could tell you so many stories.
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.680
But I just wanted to say something about the Johnny assigning me on you or whatever.
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.920
There was a rule at that time, like you you want to show people why they're there.
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:38.240
Yes.
00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:38.640
Right?
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.839
So you don't want to hurt somebody, but like you gotta show them why they're there.
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.440
No, no, we do that here all the time.
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.359
A new guy comes in, he wants to try it out.
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I'll send him a guy, go just only get them in stuff that's unorthodox.
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:52.079
That's what I do.
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:58.960
Like when I went and taught Sheik Tak Noon, he flew me out because he flies out a bunch of jujitsu guys back in the day, not so much anymore.
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.519
You know, the creator and the founder of ADCC.
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:02.799
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.200
The prince.
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:04.160
Yeah, the prince.
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:10.880
When I went out there, I was just like, I'm just gonna it, I'm only gonna use stuff that he's never seen before.
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:16.160
Just like twister stuff, yeah, electric chair, rubber guard stuff, just to sell the product, really.
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.039
And that's what you guys are doing.
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:17.920
That's what it was.
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:18.160
Yeah.
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.319
And we had a job to do when you were, you were just like a regular person coming in to check it out.
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.160
But a lot of times, especially before the UFC, yeah, people were coming to fight us.
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:26.559
Yeah.
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.240
And we would tell them, like, that's not us, that's Hickson, you're in the wrong school.
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.480
But you know, the school said Gracie on it, right?
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.640
And people came ready for a fight.
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:41.440
They wanted to fight, and like Higgin would assign me, like he would used to call me his big fish, like, you gotta go through my guy.
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:46.480
And guys would be biting, eye gouging, pressure point, I mean, full contact.
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.079
So you were the gatekeeper.
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:55.759
It's so funny because I was down at John Jocks recently, and you know Mark Armstrong, his black, he was telling people that I was the enforcer, right?
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.759
Yeah, so and it just depended.
00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.720
If the person was really famous, you'd they'd go right to Higgin or what.
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:08.400
But if it's just some Yahoo who wants to fight, and I had this thing where, okay, so they're coming in, they're trying to take my head off.
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.359
Yeah, no problem.
00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:10.720
I'm gonna go in under the radar.
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.799
And I also had a whole lifetime of fighting.
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:14.880
Yeah, so that's why Higgin would kind of trust me with that.
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:20.400
Yeah, so I wasn't just like a blue belt in jujitsu, I was a good black belt hide kickbox I could fight.
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:27.039
I'd get in under the radar, take the person down, you know the story, get on top, get on the mount, they turn their back, slap, slap, slap, choke them out, right?
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:28.240
They're like, I'm gonna go again.
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:28.960
And I'm like, oh.
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:30.319
Three times, always three.
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.000
That's exactly my story.
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:32.960
So here's the thing.
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.480
So then the second time we do it again, but now they're cautious, Eddie, right?
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.720
Yeah, now they're like, well, well, it's not there's something going on here.
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.640
So they're being a little standoff as they're trying to pick their strikes, still trying to take my head off.
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.599
But I'd still get them.
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:48.480
Might get nicked or something, but still get them, or they'd be throwing their spinning back kick or spinning back fist.
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:49.599
You gotta watch out for that shit.
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.680
Take them down, choke them at again.
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.599
Then he says, I want to go one more time.
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:55.599
And at that point, I would say, listen, bro.
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:56.319
One more time.
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.200
You have tapped, I would say you have tapped out twice.
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:04.720
I cannot tap out to your foot when it's a half an inch away from my breaking my face, right?
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.319
So I'm risking injury every time, and I'm I've let you go twice.
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.720
So if you want to go a third time, I will go with you a third time, but I will not let you go.
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:13.920
I'm going to injure you.
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:14.880
So it's up to you.
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:21.680
If you want to do it a third time and you think the third time's a charm and you think you can take me, but I'm not gonna let you tap again, I'm going to break your arm.
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.119
Nobody ever, ever, ever took me on the third one.
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:26.400
And I would have.
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.319
I mean, I fucked up some people's arms.
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.200
We had people come through who needed to be injured, and we would do that back at the time.
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.319
I got stories about that too.
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:38.240
In fact, it's really funny, it's one of the only times I remember Jean-Jacques being upset with me.
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.799
The other one I told you before the story, or before we started recording, and I won't tell that story.
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.240
But so we were supposed to like impress people.
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.599
But sometimes when someone like important would come through, like you have respect.
00:26:49.759 --> 00:27:05.279
Like Bill Wallace, you know, Bill Superfoot Wallace, they had told me the story of Chuck Norris had brought Bill Superfoot to chain and he had some judo stuff and said they were nice to him, and he walked away not really appreciating it, like saying stuff like, Oh, those guys are good, but it's nothing new.
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.880
Yeah, and so they told me, like, don't do that, don't let that go.
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:13.920
So Mike Swain, who was a world you know, judo champion and his Swain mats and stuff.
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:14.799
I knew Mike.
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.039
He came by to train at John Jock's place.
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.880
It was in Tarzana, not exactly where you started, they were in a different uh unit in there.
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.119
Yeah.
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.079
And John Jacques says, Okay, he's yours.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:29.119
But I knew Mike and I respected him, and so I wanted to like be nice.
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:35.119
And so we trained, and he was a good judo guy, but I put him in my guard and almost put him in the triangle, did a few things, whatever.
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.319
I was just showing the stuff.
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.039
I just thought I'll be cool, I'll impress him, but I'm not gonna like I don't want to embarrass him, right?
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:47.039
We're done, and like he's tired, and then Jean-Jacques's looking at me, and I'm like, I want to be respectful.
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:48.799
So Jean-Jacques says, Mike, let's train.
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.799
And Mike says, No, I'm sorry, I'm tired.
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:57.200
And it's like, so he didn't train with Jean-Jacques, he didn't get the best of me, and Jean-Jacques read me the act after that.
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.039
Like, dude, when I set you to train with someone, you gotta show them why they're there.
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:02.079
And I felt really bad about that.
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.119
But Mike appreciates it.
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.119
Mike's a great guy, he understands the power.
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:10.880
And I don't know, like after UFC started, which is when you came in, those challenges stopped.
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.480
The real fight challenges stopped.
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.559
What we then had was Gene bringing Go-Kar's people in, right?
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.759
And all and Bart Vale, I don't know if you know heard that story.
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:21.920
Gene brought in Bart Vale.
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.279
Bart Vale gets on the mat.
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:32.640
This was an encino with Higgin, and throws a spinning back kick and just grazes Higgin's nose, and like Higgin, like, are we fighting or is this grappling?
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.519
And Bart Vale kind of smiled and said, No, no, no, I'm just playing.
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.519
And Higgin was like, no.
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.079
And Higin gets in there, pulls Bart Vale to the guard, and dislocates Bart Vale shorter.
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.119
Bart Vale's gigantic.
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:43.759
I don't know if you remember.
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.400
No, no, I remember.
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.200
It's gigantic.
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:45.599
Yeah.
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.440
So we had we had like challenges, but they after the UFC, they weren't actual fight challenges.
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:57.039
They were more like Gene always bringing some crazy ass guy to see can they beat the Machados?
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.079
Can they beat the Machados?
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.559
Didn't he bring in like Ken Shamrock in once too?
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.160
Oh my god, I was there.
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.480
Okay, so I don't know if it was Geneva.
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:07.200
Yes, that's exactly right.
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:09.279
Okay, this is so funny you remember that.
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.119
I didn't know that Gene set that up.
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.720
Okay, so this was in Redondo Beach.
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:19.680
Higgin calls me, calls Bob, says, gotta get it, gotta get into the school, train today, because Ken Shamrock's coming by.
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.480
And I'm like, cool, I want to roll with Ken Shamrock, right?
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:28.720
So we get to the school in Redondo Beach, and me, I think Rick Williams might have been there, who got his black belt same day as me.
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.400
Maybe Chris Howder might have been there.
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.160
So I don't remember what belt we were at the time.
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:33.839
We were probably purple belts or something at the time.
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:34.720
95.
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:36.640
Brown belts, maybe purple or brown.
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.160
I think I got my black belt in 96.
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.039
Same day as Howder, same day as Rick Williams.
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:46.559
So we're all ready to go, and in comes Ken Shamrock, who we had seen at the UFC.
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.079
Big dude.
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.480
And he's with Funaki?
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:51.440
Is that the guy's name?
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.480
Like the founder of Pancras, a similar Japanese fighter, like these two monsters come in.
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.960
And all these little Japanese guys with cameras, like the press, the media.
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:02.559
It's the Bradano, the little school.
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:03.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.720
So it was kind of hole in wall school, right?
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.960
So they're all sitting in the front on the street side, they're all there, and I'm like, holy shit.
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.480
And then we're we're looking at Higgin like, let me go, Higgin, let me take him first.
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.160
Like, I'm your big fish, I'm your big fish.
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.319
And because we all just wanted the chance to get Shamrock to see if we could.
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.319
And he's like, no, because if there were cameras and stuff, he wanted to be sure this was done right.
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:27.119
Johnny was there, Jean-Jacques was there, Carl, I think he, I think all the brothers there, Carlos was there.
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:31.279
So now I gotta say, Ken was very respectful.
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.160
Like he he was very nice, very contrite.
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:39.519
He put on a ghee, which he didn't have to do, and he started rolling with the brothers with the ghee.
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.480
And obviously, you know, so he started with the Higgin.
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.079
Higin taps him out, of course.
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.000
He may tell this separately, he may remember this differently, but this is how I remember it.
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.519
The Machado, they tapped him out and tapped out the Japanese guy.
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.720
Then Jean-Jacques, the smaller of the brothers, gets in there, taps them out too.
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.960
Did Funaki also put a gi on?
00:30:59.119 --> 00:30:59.359
Yeah.
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:00.559
That's my memory.
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.359
And then, although memory's a weird thing, but yeah, that's my memory.
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:05.440
And then they said, Can we take the ghee off?
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.480
Which I thought was fine.
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.279
And so they did that, and then Higgin rolled with him without the ghee.
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.640
I don't remember how it went, but the Matados definitely did not lose.
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.000
And and I just remember being impressed that those guys came in and they like they checked it out, right?
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.039
They didn't, they they're evil.
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:19.920
You wanted to feel it.
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:20.799
They wanted to feel it.
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.759
Well that rimatch was coming up and he wanted to get a gauge.
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.359
Like, damn, what yeah is this?
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.400
What kind of a danger am I facing here?
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:38.079
Yeah, so but we didn't get like we were all so frustrated because we were all like, I don't know, like dogs held back on leashes, like I want to go, but Higgin didn't unleash us.
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.319
But yeah, I remember that, and that was the kind of thing that would happen all the time back then, right?
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.000
Okay, so enough on stories like that.
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.240
I want to talk about 10th planet and stuff and you.
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:46.559
Okay.
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.839
But I because I could go all day long on and we could sometimes.
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:50.799
I've got tons of stories.
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.880
I got crazy shit stories.
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.119
I can tell you, like, or Higgin would put me to WrestleGuys.
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:56.720
Okay, I'll tell you one that you'll appreciate.
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.240
Rico Rodriguez, right?
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.279
Remember Rico.
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:00.000
He started training.
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.519
Let's see, heavyweight champion, Rico Rodriguez.
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.799
Randy Couture, who, by the way, I'm gonna be interviewing next week at in Vegas.
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:07.440
Hell yeah.
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:07.759
Yeah.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.680
Higgin tells me to come on down.
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.599
Rico's there, I've never met the guy.
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.039
He's big, right?
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.599
He was like two, I don't know, 240, 250, big.
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.440
Depending on what era, Rico.
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.440
Rico came in like over 300 pounds.
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.119
Okay, so he might have been like 280, but that sounded much.
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.480
Okay, so he was around 280.
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:25.839
So I'm like 180, whatever.
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.200
Higgin introduces me to him, says he's a wrestler, wants to train jiu-jitsu.
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:29.759
He's training.
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.160
And I'm just listening to Rico, and there was another Rico too.
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.160
Rico Chopparelli used to turn to this also.
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:36.160
High-level D1 wrestler.
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.640
Super high level, great instructor.
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.160
I took a few classes with Rico Caparelli, but I never, he was never, I don't think he was doing much of jujitsu grappling on the ground.
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.440
I think he was teaching wrestling.
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.480
But Rico Rodriguez wanted to learn jujitsu.
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:48.880
Yes.
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:53.920
So I'm listening to him talk to Higgin, and I'm just, I'm like, I hate this guy.
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.559
Like he's New York, New Jersey, and I could kick that guy's ass stuff.
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.200
And it's like, oh, I've been taking steroids, but I got bitch tit.
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.039
And I'm like, what the fuck is bitch tit?
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.880
And it's like, you know what you get when you have steroids, you get like a breast or whatever.
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.599
And that's like everything about Rico Rodriguez.
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.000
When I met him that day, like I hated him.
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.720
I just thought, like, I'm gonna wreck him, right?
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.680
We rolled, again, Rico might remember it differently.
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.119
My memory was, and he had a Gion.
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.440
This wasn't wrestling, obviously it was wrestling.
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:22.880
He'd smash me, obviously.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.160
Jiu-jitsu.
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.240
Tap him out, tap him out, tap him out.
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:31.519
And then kind of over the days and weeks, we start talking and we end up becoming like really close friends.
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.119
Because I just kind of loved him.
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:41.599
And he'd gone through like a breakup, and I was going through a breakup at the time, and he was teaching over at like uh he he was the managing at Gold's Gym, got me into Gold's Gym.
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.759
So we become like really good friends and became training partners through a lot of that time.
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:46.400
Hell yeah.
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.160
But so sometimes people come into fight and sometimes they end up becoming friends because of it, right?
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:50.960
Yeah, all right.
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.599
But I want to ask you, I can tell you so many more stories about Jean-Jacques and shit like that.
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.680
You know, I went and did judo competitions with them.
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.400
Did you know that?
00:33:58.480 --> 00:33:59.279
I was the fifth brother.
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:00.480
I didn't know that.
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.319
There was no jujitsu, right?
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.960
So Higgin wanted to compete, and Jan Jacques wanted to compete.
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.359
So they would not.
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.960
You guys did Sambo too, right?
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:07.599
They jumped in.
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:08.880
I didn't do the Sambo with them.
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.000
Higgin went to the National Sambo Championship with John Will.
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:12.559
They jumped in.
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.840
Higgin didn't even know the rules and he won, and they took second in the world.
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.199
And there are rules, like you can't do certain things like in Sambo.
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.840
And Jan Jacques also they went to wrestling tournaments.
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.920
They didn't even know the rules of wrestling or whatever.
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.280
They just said can't choke them, can't arm bar them, whatever, get them down.
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.519
They won in like state wrestling stuff.
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:34.559
And in judo, I set them up with judo tournaments, but Hajier is not in, he's the fifth brother.
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.159
He is not really that into competing.
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.039
Hajier is just a musician, guy, whatever.
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:40.719
Nothing is musicians, but whatever.
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.840
So I was the fifth brother.
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:43.360
So I was a blue belt at the time.
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.920
And meet we started going to local judo competitions.
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:55.039
And I went with Hagen one time and I put on a black belt because I was a black belt in my style of jiu-jitsu, I was a blue belt in Brazilian jujitsu, and we wrecked people, man.
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.840
I just dragged them to the ground, tapped them out, whatever.
00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.519
They they got smart pretty quick.
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.840
They would start playing around the line, right?
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.239
So they would try to enter for their throw, give the back, we'd get the back, but then they'd fall out of the line.
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.840
They were smart players to not let the game keep going in the middle.
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.920
And then the referees would like break it really fast because they saw it was going on too.
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.920
But there was one time when I went with all five, all four Machado brothers, like Jean-Jacques, Carlos, John, Higgin, and me.
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.039
I was a fifth brother.
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.760
And it was this five-person tournament, right?
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.519
Where it's five against five, heaviest to lightest.
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.880
Doesn't matter if they're twice your weight, it's just the heaviest to lightest.
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.480
And we ended up taking second.
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.599
I won three of my matches, I lost two, whatever.
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:36.719
We took second place.
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.599
And I remember Jean-Jacques, like, let's get out of here.
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.280
Like it was over, we spent all day there.
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:42.960
And I'm like, no, I want to get the medal, right?
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:43.840
Second place medal.
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.400
And Jean-Jacques looks at me, he's like, second place is the is like the first loser.
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:48.719
Yeah.
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.800
And he says that to me, I'd never heard that before.
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.880
And I looked at him and said, like, well, it's the second winner.
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:56.079
You know what I mean?
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:57.360
Like, I wanted my medal.
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.000
I beat like a Pan Am judo champion that day.
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:00.880
I tapped him out.
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.159
Like, I wanted my medal.
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:03.519
But Jean-Jacques was very serious.
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.119
Jean-Jacques was all about winning.
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.440
So let's just talk about Hoiler for a second, because this ties into that.
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:17.119
So you had gotten so good, and you went to the first ADCC, and it was like the shot heard around the world.
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.239
Before that, the biggest thing I think of in upset was Bob Bass beating Marcio Fertosa.
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.199
They were brown belts, they came for the first Pan Am.
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.599
Marcio Fertosa had never lost a match.
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.119
Bob Bass beat him.
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:34.480
I had a really high pressure match before that with I fought Hickson's top brown belt.
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.000
I had a student and we fought to a 0-0.
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:36.880
What's his name?
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.000
Mark Eckert at the time.
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.280
Oh, I remember that guy, yeah.
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.119
Yeah, that was a lot of pressure on me.
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.159
I mean, I was the right weight because we had Bob Bass was brown belt.
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:45.760
We had Chris Howter, I was the right weight.
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.480
I got put against him.
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.239
I had Higgin in my in one corner.
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.519
Hickson at the police academy in Los Angeles.
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.599
And that was my first tournament.
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:53.920
I fought.
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:55.119
Did you fight in that tournament?
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:55.840
Yeah, that was my first tournament.
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:56.960
Okay, so I was a brown belt.
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:57.280
Yeah.
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:58.559
That's awesome, Eddie.
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.760
So I don't know if you remember this, but it was like a super fight thing, and I pulled to my guard.
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.519
My guard was wicked good back then.
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:10.719
Like I could sweep black belts, and Mark was like super base, as you would expect from a Hickson black belt, right?
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:10.960
Yeah.
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.119
And I just remember it was like quiet.
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.639
You could hear a pin drop, and we're like fighting this technical fight, fighting this technical fight.
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.159
And I kept trying to set Mark up for a sweep because I was tricky.
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.679
And freaking Hickson was in my head.
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.159
Hickson was like, Don't lift your right knee.
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:27.760
Put your weight on your right knee.
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.039
Remove his hand.
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.960
He could Hickson could see everything I was trying to set up and was correctly telling Mark exactly what to do to stop it.
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.000
And I almost wanted to stop the match and say, shut up.
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.440
Like, get out of my head.
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.559
And of course, Higgin was my side, and he couldn't pass my guard.
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.920
And I remember like with like a minute, it was 10-minute matches, right?
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.280
Maybe a minute left, Higgin says to me, David, do you see?
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:50.239
Do you see?
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:51.760
And I'm like, what's he saying?
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.159
And they're like, oh, he can't pass my guard.
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.480
It's not he's not passing that guard, he can't.
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.960
I need to open up now and take some chances.
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:00.880
And so I tried to throw him into an armbar.
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.480
He stands up, he gets away, we get up, I shoot in, double leg, he sprawls again.
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.000
I tried to pull the guard, it ends.
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:06.719
No points.
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.679
He was on top most of the time, because passing my guard, and that used to be what would get you the win.
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.320
But then I did this whole explosion at the end and all this stuff.
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.880
Joe Merera was the referee.
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.639
Everybody's screaming, Dave, Mark, Dave, Mark, he's got Higgin screaming in one ear.
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:21.679
He's got Higgson screaming the other.
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.840
I'm like, I feel bad for Joe Morera, because those are like the two big heavyweights in the world.
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.760
And then they raise Mark's hand because Hickson still had more clout.
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.840
But Mark turns to me and says that was a tie.
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.360
But anyway, the real biggest fight was you against Heuler.
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.920
Higin always said that of the Machado brothers, Jean-Jacques, pound for pound, was better than him, was the best.
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:49.119
But of the whole Gracie family, pound for pound, Hoyler was the best.
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.960
And you beat him.
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:56.400
I'm just wondering how did that like that totally it must have changed your life?
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.079
What would have happened had that gone a different way?
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.599
How would your life have gone differently if that the tap heard round the world?
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.320
Let's just call it that.
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.519
I'd be still DJing at strip clubs.
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.079
Really?
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.000
If that didn't happen, probably.
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.760
That changed my life.
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:11.119
It was so amazing.
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.079
We'll link to it.
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:13.280
People should watch it online.
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:19.519
You had such an unorthodox game, which I'm gonna ask you about the whole thing that turned into 10th planet and kind of where that came from.
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.840
But it was just phenomenal.
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:22.960
It was unbelievable.
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.000
It was luck.
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:25.199
No, I don't think so.
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.000
Do you know what?
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.800
I remember going into it when we knew that fight was happening.
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.760
I was saying, I think Eddie can get him, right?
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.519
I didn't think you were a better overall in all areas grappler than Hoyler Gracie.
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.079
Oh.
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.159
Well, because no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.639
Well, no, because he's been doing it since he was a little kid.
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.400
Well, think that as a compliment.
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.639
He's been doing it since he was a little kid, right?
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.400
So he had this very well-randed game.
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:56.159
But you had developed something that was so specific that you could like, if you can't stop that, I don't care how good you are, I don't care if you're Hoyler Gracie.
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.960
If you can't deal with what Eddie's giving you, you're gonna tap out.
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.280
Gene LaBelle used to say that to me all the time.
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.199
That's why he was really trying to get us in foot attacks.
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.880
He was like, Dave, I don't care how good you are.
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:06.880
A guy's got nothing but a footlock.
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:08.159
You could lose to him.
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:09.280
I don't care if he's a white belt.
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.679
If he's like a black belt at one technique, footlock.
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.679
And he couldn't pass your guard.
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.440
I mean, people can just watch it away.
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.760
He did pass my guard, actually, but I recovered.
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.280
You did jailbreak or something like that.
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:19.679
Exactly.
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.000
But he did he did pass a couple times that I would recover with the jailbreak.
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.079
And that was really what got me the match, that jailbreak.
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.280
Because it was 45 seconds left.
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.599
He was on top in my full guard.
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.679
He was winning on points.
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.599
He didn't have to try to pass my guard and be aggressive.
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:50.719
But because he was aggressive and didn't just ride the timeout and just beat me on points, he knee sliced into my guard and got side control.
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:58.960
I jailbreaked him, which is a side control recovery, and it went right into overhook, into my Jean-Jacques.
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.320
No, it was there was no more no more rubber guard after that.
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:09.679
It was all Jean-Jacques overhook, fake the sweet, he bases, stuffed his wrist, triangle, boom.
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.599
It was all Jean-Jacques, 100%.
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.559
And it was like, I didn't remember any of it when it happened.
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:23.519
I, because I had been playing Rubber Guard before, like a few minutes before, I was throwing Rubber Guard at him, primitive Rubberguard, the beginnings of Rubberguard.
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:30.000
So it wasn't, I was still throwing it up, but it wasn't like it wasn't fine-tuned like it became later.
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.960
But it was all such a blur that I was backstage thinking that I got him with rubber guard.
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.079
Yeah, I was like, oh my God, like shit.
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.079
I can't believe I got him with rubber guard.
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:42.960
He wasn't ready for it.
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:43.760
But it wasn't.
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.039
When I looked back at him, I'm like, oh my God, that wasn't even Rubberguard at all.
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:53.920
It was this Jean-Jacques, straight up, overhook, sweep, he basses, trap that bass, throwing the triangle.
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.280
It was all Jean-Jacques.
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.760
And of course, by the way, not a fluke.
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.760
Many years later, you had a rematch.
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:00.719
The rules were different.
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.000
It was just submission only.
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:03.360
And there was no submission.
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:04.320
But I'm sorry, man.
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:05.599
Go watch the tape.
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:06.880
He was under threat.
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.159
He's like, if he wasn't so flexible, like you mean you would any other human would have died.
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.199
Yeah, the rematch was 11 years later.
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:15.679
Yeah.
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:22.880
And technically it was a draw, but I was really happy with the way the match came out.
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.360
You know, so he had nothing on me.
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.800
He never did anything to me.
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.519
And I was just throwing attacks at him, and he was doing a great job of defending him.
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:38.559
That's really pretty much the whole match was him defending my attacks, which I'm cool with.
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:41.280
I'm happy with the draw.
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:42.320
I think you did great.
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:48.880
I remember Jean-Jacques catching some flack from some of the Gracie family for training you because they did not like seeing his.
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:54.159
But I remember, maybe I'm wrong, the Machado brothers, like Hagan, he was like, You're our boy.
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.079
Like they were very, very proud of you.
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:05.920
And and your student that you brought up is always gonna mean more than the team you came from originally.
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.719
These are also grown people that you bringing up, they're like your children.
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.199
Like I was like John Jacques's son.
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.480
He brought me up.
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:27.280
And if it's between the person that he brought up to Black Belt, of course that that's gonna be mean more to you than the teammates that you came up with in your early years.
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.679
Yes, but Heuler is also a cousin.
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:30.559
There's blood there.
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.159
So but I think it's a good analogy.
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.400
Like Hoiler was a cousin, you were a son.
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:34.800
Yeah.
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:36.320
And that's how you would make that choice.
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:37.440
That's yeah.
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.119
It's always gonna work out that way.
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:48.960
If it doesn't work out that way, like if I had a student I brought up and he was gonna go against one of my old teammates.
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:49.840
Yeah, me.
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:51.280
Of course you'd want your guy.
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:52.320
He's your guy.
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:53.840
Yeah, this is my son.
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.840
I love you, but like this is my like I'm with him every day.
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:58.320
Of course.
00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.119
You know what I mean?
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.199
He takes care of Of my children.
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.480
He's a babysitter.
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.320
I think it was great.
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:04.880
Alright.
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:06.239
So where did this?
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.159
You were the most creative person I ever met.
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:15.679
Which is why, by the way, in jujitsu, which is why I told John to come out from Australia and we took a private from you when we were black belts and you were brown belts.
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:16.880
That was weird.
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:31.280
Because before that, the weirdest thing was Higgin, legendary black belt, and I'm a purple belt, he invited me to come to HQ, which you know, which was Yeah, Redondo.
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.119
Yeah, he goes, come down to Redondo.
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.119
I needed to learn this crazy shit you're doing.
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.519
Which was just the guillotine from wrestling.
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.679
It's a wrestling move that they call the twister.
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:40.880
It was always the guillotine.
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:41.119
Right.
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:47.840
But since the guillotine, the name was already used in grappling, they didn't call it the guillotine.
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:49.519
But in wrestling, it was the guillotine.
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:50.559
They called it the twister.
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.880
Higgin and Jock renamed it the twister.
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:53.360
I didn't.
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.400
There's haters out there.
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:04.159
They'll tell newbies in jujitsu who are don't know the timeline, don't really know the history, go, what is what is this 10th planet stuff?
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:09.360
It's really easy for a hater to show a book, go, look, you wrestled in high school, right?
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.400
And go, yeah, look, he's calling this the twisters, this is the guillotine.
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:13.760
It's the guillotine from wrestling.
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:14.559
Look what he's doing.
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.960
And the you then like the newbie would be like, oh my God, I learned that in ninth grade wrestling.
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.599
He's calling it the twister, go, yeah, he called it the twister.
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.920
He's he's ripping off a move from wrestling.
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.920
And then it's really easy to create haters.
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:26.960
Like, fuck that dude.
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.639
Like, fuck that piece of shit, right?
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:41.840
But in reality, but of course, if it was true that I took a wrestling move, renamed it, and claimed that I invented it, I would have no students.
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:47.440
That would have that would be like a big scandal that would just get crushed instantly.
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.440
Nobody would be able to survive that.
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.199
Yeah, I would have zero students.
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:51.519
Yeah.
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.000
So, but there's people out there that believe that.
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:54.960
No, I remember that.
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:55.519
That's not true.
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.920
I remember I everything you said, I remember it as it was happening.
00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:58.639
You were calling it.
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:05.039
Yeah, so Higgin, I'm a purple, but Higgin, black belt legend, has me out for a private.
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:15.039
He didn't pay me or anything, but it was like the same thing as a private, just me and him, not during class, teaching him what I learned in high school.
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.320
That was a trip.
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.880
And then you were a black belt, but was it John Will or Richard Arden?
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:21.519
John Will.
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.280
John Will, he was a brown belt still.
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:23.440
Yeah.
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.480
So he was a brown belt, you were a black belt, you were helping him.
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.199
You guys.
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:28.880
I think he might have been a black belt.
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.079
You were a brown belt.
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:31.519
I think that was the weird thing.
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:31.760
Yeah.
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:32.960
I think I was still purple.
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:33.360
No?
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:39.920
Maybe whatever it was, we didn't care because I told him whatever you're doing is so unbelievable, we have to see it.
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.039
Yeah, that was crazy.
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.800
To me, that was like, what the fuck?
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.760
I'm not even a black belt, and I'm teaching black belts.
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.280
That was a mind fuck.
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:47.760
It really was.
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.239
I couldn't.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:49.360
I was like, what?
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:50.719
I didn't even get it.
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.079
Over the doorway.
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.119
You remember the sign they used to have leave your ego at the door, man?
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.239
That's an example of that.
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.039
Like, I didn't care what belt you were, what you were doing was good.
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:00.960
Yeah, you you really didn't, man.
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.800
You were always super supportive of not everybody was super supportive of my weird stuff.
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:16.400
Because there was a time where someone high level came up to me and said, Listen, you gotta start learning regular jujitsu because you're doing like, okay, we get it.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:24.239
This weird stuff you're doing, we get it, you got it, but now you gotta eventually you gotta learn regular jujitsu, traditional jujitsu.
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.000
And then Jean Jacques came in and said, Listen, let him do whatever the fuck he wants to do.
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.320
All right, don't stop his creativity.
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:39.519
So Jean-Jacques always pushed, he never tried to reel me in into traditional jujitsu ever.
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:41.280
He loved it.
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.760
He goes, look what this crazy dude's doing.
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:44.639
He loved it.
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.960
He has his fingerprints all over my style.
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:52.639
It was always because I considered myself non-explosive, a non-athlete.
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.320
I'm not gonna go jogging.
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.280
I don't jog.
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.199
I eat whatever the fuck I want to do.
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.440
I never considered myself an athlete.
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.280
I run really slow.
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.119
Girls run faster than me.
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.280
When I played tag in the fifth grade, I couldn't even catch the girls, man.
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.199
I was slow, non-explosive.
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.960
I never considered myself an athlete.
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:19.599
So even in jujitsu, I tried to work around the non-athletic aspects of myself.
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.079
So I try to like just trick people into weird shit.
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.400
Jean-Jacques loved that.
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.079
He was he was into it.
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:36.880
And anytime I would do some weird shit, the whole class would get together with Jean-Jacques, like a group meeting, and they go, How do we stop this weird shit that he's doing?
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.320
And then Jean-Jacques would tell him, and then they would all go, okay, cool.
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:41.679
Then they would stop my shit.
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:47.280
Then I would go by myself to Jean-Jacques and go, okay, now that you taught him how to stop this shit, what do I do?
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:48.719
And he'd go, try this.
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.000
And then I would try that.
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:54.239
And then the whole group would go back to Jean-Jacques and go, he's doing some other shit now.
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:55.360
How do we stop that?
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.400
Then he would show them and it would just go back and forth and so on.
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:05.920
So for me, it was like, as like, wow, these guys are spending all this time on just trying to stop one dude.
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:07.920
No one else is gonna do this shit to them.
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:09.440
It would be better for them.
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:18.239
It would be a better use of their time if they learn how to do what I was doing and not learn how to stop it, because you learn how to stop it.
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.079
Yeah, congratulations.
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:21.440
It's gonna work on one dude.
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:26.079
You spent all this time on me, but you're not gonna fight me in competition.
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.119
So what are you doing?
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.199
Why don't you learn what I'm doing?
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:36.639
So that could possibly what you're learning, you could use it on a hundred people, yeah, instead of just like learning some shit out of stop me.
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:37.519
You know what I mean?
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.519
But everybody was just trying to stop me, man.
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.000
There was only a couple guys that wanted to learn.
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:43.679
Like remember Craig Beecham?
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:44.159
Yeah.
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:45.920
He was like, show me what you're doing.
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:46.559
So he was all in.
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:47.599
Todd White, right?
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.039
He started doing Todd White too.
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:59.519
What I learned really quick in jujitsu is that they weren't jujitsu wasn't organized and wasn't being taught in the same way wrestling was like in high school.
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.440
And I thought, like, damn, they're not even like getting medieval with these drills.
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.199
It's so relaxed.
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.039
They're not systemizing, like most of these moves don't even have names.
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:10.079
There's no system.
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:22.960
It's just that your instructor comes out, shows you a move, you practice it for five minutes, it shows you an option to the move, you practice that, and then one more option just in case they do this, you could do that, and then you roll.
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:46.239
That was I go, man, if this was organized like wrestling, because when I wrestled in high school, even though I sucked, I was aware that this leads to this leads to this system is designed to produce the highest level athlete possible in this particular sport.
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.679
Like the drills, it would there was no lollygag in wrestling.
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.159
It was like a military experience.
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.800
And it wasn't like that with jujitsu, it was the opposite.
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:07.039
So for me, I'm like, man, if they actually like actually put some serious emphasis on drilling and reps and numbers and a system, and let's name everything and let's fucking write.
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.920
If you can't write down the system, you don't have a system.
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.679
But you have a system, but it's not written down, doesn't have no system.
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.599
You're just going off the top of your fucking head.
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.320
What do you got?
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.320
Like a photographic memory or some shit?
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.599
Like those waitresses.
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.719
You there's like 10 people ordering, and she's like, mm-hmm, okay.
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:23.599
No onions, okay.
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.440
My bitch, you better write that shit down.
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.039
You know what I mean?
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.880
So me and Todd White, we decided, like, you know what?
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.679
On the side, let's put together a system.
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.400
We'll put together flows and boom, and we'll practice.
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:50.960
One hour a week, Thursday afternoon, he was a cartoonist and Nickelodeon, and I would show up to the Nickelodeon headquarters right there in Burbank on lunch break when the whole building would leave for lunch for an hour.
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:59.760
He would stay at the gym because I had a gym, and I would bring the mats and we would do drills for 45 minutes and once a week.
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:11.760
And we would just we would structure these drills, and real quick, we realized like shit, within a couple weeks, two, three, four weeks, these drills that we were practicing show up in the sparring.
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:12.960
And we're like, oh shit.
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:14.960
And we would tell each other, is it showing up, dude?
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:15.920
I did it three times.
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.039
Did I do it twice?
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.440
Boom, it worked on him, and it worked on him.
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:29.199
And then I'm like, okay, so then we do more drills, and we were keeping track of the drills we were doing and how quickly they infected our sparring.
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.559
And it was really quick, so we were just obsessed with that once a week, and it made a big difference.
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:41.199
And me and Todd White, as far as Jean-Jacques students, like their purple belts and blue belts, we were the ones that were traveling to Santa Cruz to compete.
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.320
We were the ones going to grappler's quest in Vegas.
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:54.320
That's really where the style came from was the lack of drilling in traditional BJJ compared to wrestling.
00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:00.400
Where like once you learn the power of reps, they're like, oh shit, I could learn anything, I could do anything.
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.559
So you learn like even beyond jujitsu, like, damn, it's everything's about just reps.
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:08.159
I could be a dancer, I could be a fucking real estate agent.
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.400
You just got to put in the reps with the real estate.
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:11.760
I could be a fucking doctor.
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.360
It's just reps and studying.
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.679
So that's what you really learn from jujitsu.
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:30.719
That's why in jiu-jitsu, man, it's very common for your the buddies that you grew up with in jujitsu that stick with it and that are into drills and practicing and adding weapons, they usually become successful in something in their career.
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:30.960
Right.
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.239
You know, I mean, Todd White became like this super huge artist.
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.320
He was a bottom-of-the-barrel cartoon designer for Nickelodeon.
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.320
And then he became like one of the most popular artists in the world.
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:43.920
Yeah, no, that is 100% true.
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.920
That's kind of the theme of this podcast is lessons for martial arts in life.
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:53.119
For me, it's what superpowered my animal nonprofit, which sold for tens of millions of dollars.
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.920
Tell me about your animal nonprofit because I'm getting in into that.
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:57.119
Okay, we'll go there in a second.
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:57.760
We'll go there in a second.
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:58.719
I promise we'll get back to it.
00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:58.960
Okay.
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:06.480
But I just want to say when I had John come out and we took a lesson from you, what was interesting to me, the reason I was saying we need to learn from you was not just that you could beat me.
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:14.800
I mean, sure, but it was specifically that you were creating new things, that you were naming them in interesting ways, and that you were tying them together.
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.559
It's exactly the systematized stuff.
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:18.639
And I don't think that's just a problem with BJJ.
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.400
That was a problem with my jujitsu too.
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:25.039
We're like, here's an escape from this, here's an escape from that, here's a finish, right?
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:26.559
Same thing with catch wrestling.
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:37.199
You know, when I talked to like Eric Paulson, friends with Eric, and he was doing kind of catch wrestling stuff, but even then, these were just like attack, attack, and they would do some flows.
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:44.239
They would do some lock flows, but then the Japanese guys would do lock flows, but without not against like resistance.
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.880
So they would try one of those lock flows on me and they wouldn't get past the first lock because I'd just smash the shit out of them and tap them out or whatever.
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:57.280
But what you were doing is you were doing live resistance stuff, but you were connecting it in this, like you say, systematized way.
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:03.280
And it's funny because people maybe have heard of the rubber guard, which takes some flexibility and shit like that, and they'll say, like, that's a young man's game.
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.920
And I'm like, dude, twister, electric chair, like these that's an old man's game.
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:11.360
Like, you need no flexibility to do most of the stuff you do.
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:13.280
It's like the perfect old man's game.
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.199
Anyway, I was just super impressed.
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.760
And now, but I'm like, when did you start being creative?
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.519
Like, we is this from like your music?
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.119
Are you always creative like that?
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.039
It's like you push against authority, and it's not even necessarily authority.
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:36.800
The way I see you, if I had to just like sum you, no one can sum anybody up, but you do not accept the standard norm just because it's told to you.
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.280
I don't care if that's conspiracies, I don't care if it's jujitsu, I don't care whatever it is.
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:50.000
You look at something your own way, you come to your own conclusion, you analyze it, it's just super interesting to me.
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:51.199
It's just super interesting.
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.360
And then look what it created, like this world.
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.000
I can pinpoint it to two events in my life.
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:06.079
The first one is when I was 11, when I found out everybody wasn't Catholic, because I grew up in a Mexican neighborhood in Santa Ana, California.
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:16.320
They put all the, when all the white people left LA and went to Orange County to escape all the Mexicans, they realized like, damn, we gotta bring some Mexicans to clean our yards up.
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:17.119
You know what I mean?
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:18.880
So they go, okay, cool.
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:24.559
They thought they could escape to El Toro and Mission Viejo, but they had a designated city for the Mexicans.
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:25.519
That was Santa Ana.
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.800
So they put all the labor, the clean, everybody, it was like the Home Depot of Orange County, Santa Ana.
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:31.679
That's where I grew up.
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:32.880
Everybody's Catholic.
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:34.639
Everybody, we had a neighborhood church.
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.679
Our Lady of Pilar, we had a neighborhood church.
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.239
We played all our football games in the parking lot.
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.639
I was an altar boy, all that shit.
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:48.800
I thought everybody was Catholic because when you look at TV and all the sitcoms, different strokes, all that shit.
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:53.039
They had Christmas shows, Halloween, Easter.
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.480
So, like, okay, everyone's Catholic.
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.880
And then I'm 11, and I find out there's Jews, and then there's Muslims, and there's all these other religions.
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:02.960
I'm like, wait a minute, there's other religions?
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:04.800
What are what are all these other religions?
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.400
Like, how do we know we're right?
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.559
And I'm like, wait a minute, the Jews think they're right, Muslims think they're right.
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.719
What the fuck, Hindu?
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:13.119
What?
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:14.320
What are we doing over here?
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.760
So right away I go, oh, okay, I can't believe any of this shit.
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.320
So I became atheist at a young age.
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:25.360
So I thought, okay, this is massive fucking worldwide brainwash.
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.119
So at that point, I started going, you can't trust shit.
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:35.679
And then the next one was I was really into pro wrestling, and my uncle would always tell me, I'm like 12, 13.
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.039
He goes, That shit's fake.
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.559
I go, how do you fake blood?
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:39.840
How do you fake the blood?
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.760
Look, they're picking them up and they're slamming them.
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.760
And my uncle would go, oh my god, you're a target.
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.960
I'm trying to help you.
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:46.960
And so I believe pro wrestling was real.
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.880
I was watching like Hulk Hogan and Iron Chic and all that shit.
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:55.119
B Brian Blair, a Paul Horndorf, all that shit.
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:56.159
I was into it.
00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:06.800
And then in 85, a fucking, they 2020 did an expose on pro wrestling.
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:12.880
They got a whistleblower, a wrestler, an actual real wrestler who's fucking turning on the industry.
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.840
And he got they got him on camera saying it is fake and all this shit.
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:16.719
He goes, you know how the blood is.
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:17.760
I go, what about the blood?
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:30.000
He goes, look, he took a little Xacto knife, wrapped it around, like put a little uh, like you know that ace bandage type shit around a little Xacto knife, and then he hit it in his, he goes, We put it right here, boom, and then we have a distraction.
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:42.960
Like, I'll beat someone down, and they'll be like on in the corner riling up the crowd while I get the fucking, or maybe I get beat down, and I'm on the floor, and I take the little blade out and like fucking cut my forehead.
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.079
I slice it, and then I come up and I'm bleeding.
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:49.679
He said, red turns the green in the pro wrestling world.
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.440
So you want to get green?
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:52.880
We need to see red.
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.519
So he said they cut themselves and he didn't write their own camera and goes, look, we don't even feel it no more.
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.199
He goes, like that, and blood starts coming down.
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.639
He goes, You don't even feel it.
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:02.320
I'm surprised they even really did that.
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:08.400
And they did that on 2020, and then they the the reporter, he's like a little dude, he's a little dude, five, three.
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:15.039
And the the whistleblower, pro wrestler guy, is showing them how you could pick me up and they're like in a ring.
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.000
And he goes, Look, I'm gonna jump up and make it easy for you, and you just use the momentum and you could slam.
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:20.880
So they were doing it.
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.360
So they did this whole 20 minutes your bubble.
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:34.639
Yeah, and I'm like, the best part of that segment was the reporter, the little short guy, he's backstage at a WWE show, maybe Madison Square Garden or whatever.
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.920
And there was a wrestler super popular at the time, Dr.
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.320
D.
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:39.599
David Schultz.
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.079
You could watch this on YouTube, it's still on YouTube.
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:42.800
Dr.
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:43.119
D.
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:51.760
David Schultz, he's about to walk out and do a wrestling match, and the little reporter goes, Hey, what do you think about so-and-so saying it's fake?
00:59:51.920 --> 01:00:01.039
It's all the pro wrestling's fake, goes, fake, and he goes, boom, he slaps him right in the ear, knocks the guy down, the reporter, and the guy gets up again.
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:02.320
He goes, Is this fake?
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:03.760
Boom! Is that fake?
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:05.599
He fucked the guy up twice in the ear.
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.400
The guy ended up suing WWE.
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.559
He's like, fuck, his ears are fucked up.
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.000
He's still like deaf in one ear.
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:13.440
Yeah, and then you never saw Dr.
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:14.960
D, David Schultz again.
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.440
They pulled him and he just disappeared from wrestling.
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:18.480
He was a huge wrestler.
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.960
He disappeared, it was a huge scandal.
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.199
And right there, I was like, oh my god, pro wrestling's fake.
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.840
And then the last one that made me like not like you're talking about me not trusting shit.
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:41.360
The last one was I was super into metal, Slayer, Metallica, all like metal that talked about Satan all the time, but I no one ever thought these metal dudes were actually Satanists.
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.840
We understood that's as 15-year-old kids.
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:49.119
We're like, oh, they're just like it's like a dude who wrote the script or the screenplay for the Exorcist.
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:50.880
No one thinks he's satanic.
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:55.679
He wrote a satanic movie, Exorcist is satanic, but no one's thinking the writer's satanic.
01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:09.679
So that's how kids even looked at Slayer and all these bands that were like creator and destruction, they were writing songs about Satan and hell and total fucking destruction and death and evil and bloodletting and all that shit.
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.280
But we're like, oh, that's a cool story.
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:12.719
It's like the Exorcist.
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.840
But we never thought the bands were Satanists, and they weren't.
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:21.039
There was a couple, maybe King Diamond, a couple, but most of them, they were just, I was writing satanic lyrics.
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.559
I was in speed metal bands.
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.679
I got the satanic Bible to write satanic lyrics.
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.400
I was atheist.
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:33.280
I was like, this is just like uh a facade, and this is like a genre we write about Satan, but no one actually believed in Satan.
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.800
And then 2020, same ABC show.
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.480
They did a show on how satanic heavy metal music is.
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:47.760
And if your kids are listening to Twisted Sister, Motby Crew, and Judas Priest, and like, dude, you guys are on the wrong bands.
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.679
They're going after Motley Crew.
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:56.000
They could they never mention Slayer, they never mentioned like Creator or like the real ones are real talking about Satan.
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:13.599
But they weren't even satanic, but they were straight up talking about like Slayer has a song called Necrophiliac, and that song is about going to a mortuary, pulling out a dead corpse, fucking it, and then and then sending that corpse a soul to hell or necrophiliac.
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.320
And like, but we never thought as kids that they were satanic.
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:17.760
Like, oh, they're writing gross songs.
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.519
I want to write a gross satanic song.
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.360
But now, 2020 is not even going after Slayer.
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.480
They're not even going, they're going after Twisted Sister.
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.760
So I thought, okay, you can't ever trust the news.
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:31.280
They don't know what the fuck is going on.
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:32.800
You're going after Twisted Sister?
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:35.199
And you're going after like Iron Maiden?
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.559
You guys should be going after Slayer or King Diamond at least.
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:39.440
And they didn't.
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.559
So those are the three incidences that like I was like, I see.
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.920
Like, okay, I can't trust the world.
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.400
I think like with the news, you trust but verify, maybe.
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:52.880
That's what Reagan used to say about the Russians or whatever.
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:57.840
Like, but I have had experiences because I've done stuff in my animal work where that was covered on the news.
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.119
And then I look at the article or whatever, and it's like they did not get it right.
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:06.320
So I've had that experience because they're reporters, they're lazy, or they just, you know, people are people, right?
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:11.119
So I don't throw out the whole baby with the bathwater, but I'm right with you that you've got to kind of think for yourself.
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:11.599
Yeah.
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.480
All right, so 10th planet.
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.280
So you win with Hoiler, you start teaching, right?
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.920
Because now you're the hottest thing in the world, I think.
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:25.440
And you create this thing called 10th planet that's I assume built on the stuff that you were writing out with Todd.
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.559
Like it's the systemized stuff.
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:27.039
Yep.
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.679
Okay, it's all no gi, which is great.
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:35.119
Were you planning on creating this kind of empire that you've created now?
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:35.599
No.
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:45.519
The only reason I started 10th Planet was because before that I was writing comedy for the man's show for like six months.
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.800
But before that, I was a strip club DJ for 10 years.
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.199
So for 10 years I was strip club DJ.
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:56.480
Then I got a writing job when Joe took over as the host for the man's show.
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.440
Because originally the man's show was Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel.
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.079
After five years, they took off, but Comedy Central wanted to keep it going with new hosts.
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.199
So they got Joe Rogan, and Joe Rogan got Doug Stanhope.
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.760
And then Joe Rogan brought me in as a writer.
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:16.079
But that was a big fiasco because Man Show didn't want to hire me, Comedy Center didn't want to hire me because I had no experience.
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:21.360
Joe made them hire me because me and Joe, I met him at Jean Jacques through Jiu Jitsu.
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.800
He was a student at John Jacques, that's how we met, and we started writing comedy together.
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:27.199
And I dabbled in stand-up comedy back then too.
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:33.519
So Joe made them hire me, and they they buckled, but they hated me and treated me accordingly.
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:34.639
It was horrible.
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:48.000
So as I'm training for 2003 ADCC, the World Championships, I'm actually working depressed as a writer for the man show because I was like, fuck, I shouldn't have quit my strip club DJ job.
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:49.119
What did I do?
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:49.840
Fuck.
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.480
Because this show gonna get canceled.
01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:54.239
And then what am I gonna do?
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:56.400
Then what am I gonna do?
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.039
Fuck, why did I quit the strip club?
01:04:59.199 --> 01:04:59.599
Shit.
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.760
And they treated me like shit.
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:08.159
I was like, man, my life, I'm like 32, 33, and my life is like, I'm a grown-ass man.
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:09.920
I'm trying to get a record deal.
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:23.440
So I thought by working the man's show, me and Joe would parlay that into like a movie career, make movies, you know, successful sketches on the man show, then we make movies, and then I get my music in that way.
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:25.039
Because it was always about the music.
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.760
I was a strip club DJ until I got a record deal.
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:28.800
That's all it was.
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.079
But then I'm like, damn, I get a chance to write for the man's show.
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:33.519
This is my record deal.
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:37.920
We're gonna make movies, and then I'll fucking sneak my music in through the back.
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.280
No, that's what I thought.
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.000
That was the plan.
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:45.039
Well, it didn't go as planned, and they hated me, and there was not gonna be any fucking movies.
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.760
That show is gonna get canceled, total disaster.
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.280
Meanwhile, I'm training for Abu Dhabi 2003.
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:58.639
So I thought, okay, I'm gonna be unemployed pretty soon, but at least I got a free trip to Sao Paulo and I get to do the world championships.
01:05:58.719 --> 01:05:59.599
I'm gonna give fuck.
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:07.760
Up in the first round, you know, I'm a brown belt and I won the trials, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go get fucked up, but at least I get a vacation.
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.239
People don't remember when you beat Hoyler, the best black belt in the world, you were a brown belt.
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:12.480
Yeah.
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:13.360
Under San Jacques.
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:13.599
Yeah.
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.760
So when I went, I had zero expectations.
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.960
I go to me, it was just a free vacation in Brazil.
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:22.880
I'll get my ass kicked and we'll party.
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:23.599
You know what I mean?
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:23.840
Whatever.
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:29.199
I'm gonna go, I'm going against Leo Viera and fucking who ended up crushing me after I tapped Hoyer.
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.360
Yeah, but I think you were tweaked after the Hoyler match.
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:32.000
I asked talked to you.
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:32.960
He would have still fucked me up.
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:33.679
He would have still fucked me up.
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:34.639
Like Leo Vieira had my.
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:36.800
I didn't expect to win anything.
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:38.079
I was like, free trip.
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.719
I'm gonna be unemployed, but at least I got a free trip.
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:41.760
What's my life?
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.760
I mean, how am I gonna get this record deal now?
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.280
What kind of job am I gonna take?
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:50.079
And then I tapped out Hoyler, got my ass kicked by Leo, but it didn't matter because I still tapped out Hoiler.
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:55.920
Came back, quit the man's show, started teaching at the Bomb Squad, this boxing gym in West Hollywood.
01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:58.000
And I started teaching there.
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:03.119
And I had like 18 students my first night and just struggled.
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:04.719
Joe Rogan helped me, man.
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:05.440
He understood.
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.800
I had to tell him, I go, when I told him I'm quitting the man's show, he understood because he knew how horrible it was.
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:17.199
And even though he went to fucking war for me to get that job, now I'm telling him I'm quitting after he went to war for me.
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:18.000
He goes, I get it.
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:18.639
He understood.
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.559
And he helped me in my those the first year was I was struggling.
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:29.599
But it was only to get back to your point, did I envision having reschools?
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:31.679
No, I had no idea.
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:38.159
My thing was like, oh shit, I could teach this is a cool job until I get that record deal.
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:39.920
So I'll teach jujitsu.
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:40.480
Cool.
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:56.239
I'll just teach people how to kill each other and put each other to sleep until I get the record deal, then I go on the road, and then I'll do jujitsu with my roadies, I'll hire roadies to do jujitsu, and then I'll be touring stadiums and doing jujitsu after soundcheck.
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.199
That was the plan.
01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.159
So when I started teaching jujitsu, it was like, this is just temporary.
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:00.960
I hear you.
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:02.559
I'm gonna get a record deal.
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.480
I was like super deep into music.
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:05.599
It's happening.
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:14.400
But the music never blew up, never got a record deal, all while the jiu-jitsu was slowly growing and growing and growing.
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:20.560
And now that it's all said and done, I'm so appreciative that nobody likes my music.
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:27.760
Oh my god, if I actually wrote good music and got a record deal, who knows where my life would be.
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:36.079
I might have, dude, if I got a record deal in the 90s when I was like at my at my peak at trying to get a record deal in the 90s and the early 2000s.
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.199
If I would have got a record deal and someone would have invited me to P.
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.199
Diddy's parties, I would have gone.
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.079
They go, you want to go to a fucking mansion party, the P.
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:44.960
Diddy's throne?
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:46.640
Like, who wouldn't want to go to that?
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.239
You're in the record business?
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:49.359
Everybody went.
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.359
Thank God I didn't get signed.
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:59.279
I would have gone and who knows, I would have fucking misplaced my baby oil, and then damn, who knows what would have happened.
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:00.159
You know what I mean?
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:01.279
No, I understand.
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.199
Life has a funny way of working out.
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:04.159
Yeah, it's really funny.
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:05.840
So happy no one likes my music.
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:06.399
Oh my god.
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.119
Well, actually, like 17 people worldwide.
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.159
I counted the fans.
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.359
I got 17 people worldwide that like my music.
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:15.920
So when I do my music, it's for those 17 people.
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:19.680
We're gonna talk about music in a second, which leads into my animal stuff, so we'll get there.
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:25.279
But so just on the 10th planet, I'm just curious, because it was always a thing with the Machados.
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:28.399
Like, when someone got a black belt, like Bob Bass wanted to open up a school.
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.239
Bob Bass lived in Redondo Beach.
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.960
That's why he so he wanted to open up a school in Hermosa Beach.
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:34.000
That's like where he was from.
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:35.520
It was really close to Higgins' place.
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:36.720
It became some friction.
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.159
Like, dude, that's too close.
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:40.000
And Bob was like, This is my home, man.
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:40.720
I'm born here.
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:42.399
You're the guys who came over from Brazil.
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:47.039
And I got involved with the Machados and I like brokered this whole deal for all the black belt guys.
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:48.800
Like, look, everyone, here's gonna be the rules.
01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:54.880
If you teach a private on Higgins Matt or Jean-Jacques Matt, you gotta give him a percentage of that private if you're using their school for that.
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:59.760
And if you want to open up a new school, you can open up a new school, but it's got to be like this distance away.
01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:03.359
And and I tried to make it so that it would work for everybody, and we did it.
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.479
And then it like very quickly fell apart because everyone trusted me.
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:07.840
Like I was friends with everybody.
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:18.079
But so I'm wondering with you and like your licensing and stuff, is that an issue where like you don't want two tenth planets to be too close to each other because then they're gonna get pissed at each other or something like that?
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:22.800
Well, the rule is you have to be at least 10 miles away from the city.
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:24.880
Okay, so there's some sort of yeah, yeah.
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.880
Like all of LA, Orange County, and San Diego, that's all taken.
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.720
Like, and then people want to open up a school and they're trying to find spots with maps.
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.920
Look, that's 10.1, and I'm in the fucking corner.
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.319
It's it's it's a constant issue nowadays.
01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:43.920
It is because the territory in Southern California is basically gone.
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.239
So if you want to open up a school, you have a choice.
01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:50.079
I have a couple, one of my black belts here, he didn't want to move.
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:57.039
And he opened up a school in San Pedro where his he's from, and that's in the territory of two of my other schools.
01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:58.960
So he just opened up a school under his name.
01:10:59.279 --> 01:10:59.760
Doesn't call it.
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:00.399
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:01.199
So that's fine too.
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:02.880
He still trains here, I still love him to death.
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:03.920
Yeah, he still trains here.
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:10.239
Gio Vuk, he's my homie, and he has a school, and he just decided not to not to carry the brand.
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:11.520
Yeah, and that's fine too.
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:11.840
Yeah.
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:13.039
There's gonna be a lot of that.
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.960
When people do carry the brand, can they innovate themselves?
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:18.399
Like what's their responsibility?
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:20.399
What do they have to stick to to be part of the brand?
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.600
They can do anything they want.
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:30.239
The requirement for opening a 10th planet school is you have to be a 10th planet black belt, not just a BJJ black belt, you have to be a 10th planet black belt.
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.000
So if you achieve your 10th planet black belt, then I trust you.
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:34.640
Okay.
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.279
And that's been that's done with you.
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:38.800
Or with other black belts.
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:39.199
Oh, okay.
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.720
Do I have black 10th planet black belts that I don't even I've never even met and I don't know their names.
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.479
Because they're like grandson, yeah, exactly.
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:46.720
Dude, like I understand.
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:48.159
There's so many I don't even know.
01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:50.239
Do you ever teach privates these days?
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:50.800
No.
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:51.920
So this is.
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:53.279
I price myself out of privates.
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:54.399
Okay.
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.039
John Will used to call this the fuck you price.
01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:03.279
And he, because what happened with me is I was teaching jujitsu while I was building my animal nonprofit.
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:11.279
So I was taking money for jujitsu, but I was only doing it so I could build my animal nonprofit because that's what I wanted to do for a living once I left music, which we're gonna talk about in one second.
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:13.680
Originally I was gonna change the world through music.
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.119
I always knew I was gonna be a rock music.
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.640
Same like you, I was gonna have a record deal, and we'll talk about what happened there.
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:22.079
But real quick on the fuck you price, I said, I can't teach privates anymore.
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:22.960
And John's like, that's crazy.
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:24.640
And like I don't have the time, like I don't care.
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:28.720
And he's like, Well, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you teach them a private in an hour for an hour?
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:29.600
And I'm like, yeah.
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.680
And he goes, All right, what about half a million?
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:33.199
Like, that's your fuck you price.
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:34.720
So if someone says, Do you teach?
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:40.960
You're saying he said, You're saying to them fuck you, because I'm saying, uh, yeah, here's my price,$5,000.
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.079
But if you'll pay$5,000, I'll happily show up.
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.319
Cash, so I started doing that.
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.159
I mean, it never got up to$5,000, but I made my fuck you price$500.
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.439
And then people would pay it because I'm Dave Meyer and stuff.
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.079
So then I had to raise it because I didn't want to change it.
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:56.479
Exactly.
01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:56.880
That's it.
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:01.279
But his point, but his point was, but there's some you at some price, it's worth it, right?
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.920
I used to do$500 to so I wouldn't do it.
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.239
And then a couple people want paid$500 and go, okay, I gotta get around the thousand.
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:14.239
So I stayed at a thousand file, and then like some billionaire from Saudi Arabia wanted to do it the thousand.
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.479
I'm like, damn, I gotta go five thousand now.
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:17.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:18.479
Because I don't I just don't want to do them.
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:18.880
Yeah.
01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:20.000
Yeah, that's so funny.
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:21.439
I don't want to, I don't have the time.
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:28.319
But if you're gonna, you know, honestly, if someone if someone's gonna give me cash, 2K, I'll do that.
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:29.279
You know what I mean?
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:32.399
But I just don't have the time and the energy.
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.560
I put all my energy into my classes.
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:40.880
I have the same class schedule that I've had since day one for the last 23 years.
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:42.960
I do the same Monday through Thursday.
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:44.239
Boom, it's the same one.
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.399
Friday through Sunday, I'm off.
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:54.640
I might be teaching a seminar somewhere on this plane on Saturday, but as far as my class here, Monday through Thursday, we work.
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.159
The training camp Monday through Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, I'm off.
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.439
If you're not teaching privates, you're still teaching your school, people can come.
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.680
We're sitting here at your headquarters in downtown LA.
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:04.640
I just taught a class.
01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:06.960
Yeah, I love that it's by the way, the headquarters.
01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:13.039
I have this, it feels like people should be sitting around with like headsets on and clicking things, saying rubber guard, you know, whatever.
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:13.600
Twister.
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:14.720
But no, it's awesome.
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.520
It's an awesome school here, and you've been so nice you let me in when I pass through town.
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:18.319
I so appreciate it.
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:19.600
And I love your boys, they're all great.
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:20.079
Hell yeah.
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:21.359
Tough dudes, man.
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:23.840
I'm still I'm 63, but I'm still also.
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.439
Yeah, you still dude, you still get in there and fucking roll with the dog.
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.439
Like, dude, you're you're a bad motherfucker.
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.319
Because I like right now, I'm slow, I've had shoulder problems.
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:35.039
I was gonna ask.
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.760
I had back surgery, I have a titanium plate in my L5S1.
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:40.960
I'm a mess.
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:45.039
But jujitsu is the only way I know how to lose weight.
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.279
So I'm rolling the last month.
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:49.680
I've been rolling every night with fly weights.
01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:51.520
125 pounders.
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:53.760
I need to be able to throw dudes off me.
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.520
If I've struggled with anybody, like where I can't throw them off, it's too much.
01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:58.399
I'm gonna get hurt.
01:14:58.479 --> 01:14:59.920
I know I'm gonna hurt myself.
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:08.800
So yeah, that's what I'm currently doing right now, just rolling with 125 pounders, and you you roll fucking anybody, man.
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.039
And you're seven years older than me.
01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:11.760
That's crazy.
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:18.159
Well, so I've been lucky, and a lot of it is being willing to tap, like that ego stuff.
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.439
Like I've I have protected myself as much as I can.
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.840
I have a diet that is healthy for me.
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.760
I don't push my plant based on anybody else, but I I think I'm healthy.
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:30.239
But also, it is though pick your partners.
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:31.439
Like you said, it's not exactly true.
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:32.880
You said I'll roll with everybody.
01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.920
I used to roll with anybody, anybody, anybody.
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.159
I remember the first day I stopped doing that.
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.800
There was a steroided out black belt that Higgin used to have.
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.520
I'm not gonna mention his name, but the guy was like so aggressive or whatever.
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And we used to have wars and I would win.
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And I remember one day saying, you know what?
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.560
I don't want to go home feeling like this again.
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.079
Like I got nothing to prove with this guy.
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:53.600
And I started, it was the first time I ever said no, thank you, because I would say yes to anybody.
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:57.279
So now I'll pretty much train with anybody, but I'm careful of the size.
01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:58.319
And you know what's happened?
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Now that I look older, I think people are just they assume they need to be careful with me, which they really don't.
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:07.680
So, like where I train in black sheep, guys are respectful, they're nice, they're chill.
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:16.000
So I can train with heavy guys, but they're not gonna put and they can put all their weight if they want to, but if I give them the opportunity, but basically I'm not getting injured from that.
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.199
I don't know if you remember, like, I've had so few injuries, I'm very, very lucky.
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:26.800
I've always been stretching, always had yoga, had yoga since I was a little kid because my mom had arthritis, she had all these medical things, and standard medicine just wasn't doing it for her.
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:27.840
You do saunas?
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:30.479
Oh, yeah, I love saunas everything and cold plunge, I think.
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:31.600
Game changer is a sauna.
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100%, 100%.
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:37.680
But the I've had very few injuries, like knock on wood, and I want like tomorrow I'd get injured.
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:41.520
But one of them was you remember Seth, the big huge wrestler dude down from the valley.
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:42.720
Yes, Seth Goodall.
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.039
He used to go to war with me because he really wanted to beat me.
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:47.119
Yeah, that guy's like 280 pounds.
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:49.760
He was like a Rico Rodriguez size, yeah.
01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:53.039
And one day we're rolling, we're fighting really hard, and he's like going crazy.
01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:54.239
This was many years ago.
01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:07.840
And he like tries to come around my guard, and so I kind of twist to kind of bail out to my hands and knees, and he catches me right as I'm making the twist and does like a body spin right on my floating rib, and like it took the rib right out of place.
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.119
That was the worst injury I've ever had.
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:10.720
It just hurt, it healed.
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:23.199
But aside from like a few things like that, so I wouldn't, if I was facing a 280-pound wrestler guy right now, and he starts to train like that with me, I might just say, dude, calm it down, because I just don't want to sacrifice my body.
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:25.600
But I think it's very smart that you're going with light people.
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:30.880
I think the whole thing about aging, because people talk to me about that a lot, it's the number one thing to me is like pick your partners.
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.479
And we can talk about warm-up and we can talk about all that stuff too, but just pick your partners, just have partners that go chill.
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:45.680
Like you could, if we ever wanted to roll, I'm not uh flyweight, but either someone who has great control who's not good, just understands, like ask people like what's going on.
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.079
When people ask me, can you roll with me?
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:51.439
It's not that I think they're gonna hurt me.
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:58.479
I'm like, if I can just bench press you off, I'm gonna hurt myself going against you.
01:17:58.640 --> 01:17:58.960
I understand.
01:17:59.119 --> 01:17:59.600
You know what I mean?
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:03.279
Yeah because I'm not claiming anybody's gonna hurt me.
01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:09.760
Like, you know, I'm gonna hurt myself if I'm in a fucking war with like Fedor or like fucking Sam.
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.920
That's gonna be a fucking war.
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:16.640
And my shoulder, like I'm I can barely hang with flyweights right now.
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:20.479
I wake up in the morning fucking my back is just frozen.
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.920
Like all like just until recently, my back is starting to warm up.
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:33.359
My back's frozen all day because my muscles, because of the metal that's in my back, my muscles just clamp and they just clamp over that like there's something wrong.
01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:35.680
You got metal in your fucking in your back.
01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:36.800
So that's what's going on.
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:41.119
And my L4 needs to be replaced too, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do it.
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:42.159
I'm just gonna live with it.
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:49.520
Because that surgery that I went through, that was just like they went through the front, dude, and they take all your guts out and they do the back surgery through the front now.
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.039
I ain't doing that shit no more.
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:51.520
I'm good.
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:58.800
Well, listen, so while we're on it, what about what treatments are you taking, you know, peptides, anything like that?
01:18:59.039 --> 01:18:59.680
Anything you swear about?
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:00.560
You know what?
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.439
I I did BP157 a little bit when my shoulders were fucked up.
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:15.600
I had shoulder surgery on this shoulder, and then I had a torn labrum on this shoulder and tried some BP 157, and I don't really don't know if it did anything, to tell you the truth.
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:16.159
I don't know.
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.039
But then I got later I got stem cells and that fixed it.
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:22.960
The stem cells fixed this shoulder and it fixed this shoulder because I re-injured that.
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:29.039
So stem cells work depending on where you get them because there's a lot of ripoff companies in the United States.
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:33.279
The best stem cell company is in Mexico.
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:34.399
CPI.
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:35.840
Go check out CPI.
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.239
That shit fix this shoulder, fix this shoulder.
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.119
I'm like a hundred, a thousand percent sold on them.
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:45.359
But peptides, I don't like who knows what's inside them.
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:46.239
Yeah, no, I know.
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.079
My wife can't even get me to take vitamins.
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:49.279
I'm just terrible sometimes.
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:55.520
I just I think I expect my body will just deal with it over time, and it has, that's worked so far, but it's slowing down.
01:19:55.600 --> 01:20:01.439
I've got a hip thing finally starting to feel right now that I think I'm rehabbing and I think it's actually gonna go away.
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.279
But a lot of guys have gotten hip replacements.
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:06.399
Hajier got two hip replacements, it's like the same day, I think.
01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:07.840
John Will just had hip replacements.
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:09.439
I have two students that have hip.
01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:11.279
Chris Verzog, Connor Eun.
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:14.079
Yeah, and they're they're still on the mats, man.
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.760
Hey, I'll tell you what, you hold out as long as you can because the science gets better.
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:25.359
Of course, you don't want to get yourself really deteriorated, but science gets better, the everything gets better, and I think you can keep training.
01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:30.560
So I don't take anything, I don't take testosterone, I don't take, like I say, I don't take creatine, I don't take anything.
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:32.880
Not that I wouldn't if I thought it would be really helpful.
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.720
I did just get a shot of cortisone in my right knee because I got leg barred like in a world championship surprise dog bar.
01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:43.119
I just caught me by surprise and kind of popped my knee like two years ago and it's still hurting.
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:44.720
And I'm trying to rehab my hip.
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.479
I can't be doing that while my knee is like I need only one thing on the leg at a time.
01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:48.720
Yeah.
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.800
So I just got a cortisone shot a couple days ago, and right now it's you don't want to do that a lot.
01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:55.760
But doctors looked at my knee and said, You know, it's just a painkiller.
01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:57.520
I know, I know, but I'll take it.
01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:58.880
I don't think it's gonna fix anything.
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:03.439
Yeah, but no, and you don't want to do it a lot, but that's like the first time I've done anything in a really long time.
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:13.039
But just before we leave Jiu Jitsu, if you've got a minute for music and and dog eat, one of the amazing ways that you have innovated is in the competition formats.
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:13.840
Just love it.
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:15.520
Like EBI, all that kind of stuff.
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:22.960
Is EBI you mentioned before we talked that maybe it's on a pause because there's some sort of we're in contract negotiations with the UFC.
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:27.039
Okay, so it may or may not end up on Fight Pass in the future.
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:31.760
And I hope it does, but it all depends on how the negotiations go.
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:32.479
Who knows?
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.520
It could end up on fucking ESPN, you never know.
01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:37.199
Well, I love the format.
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.800
The incentives cause people to act the way they act.
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:42.239
That's just the way it is in life, right?
01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:43.359
My wife's an economist.
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.880
Like, you want something good to happen in the world, make the incentives for the good thing.
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:47.279
Yep.
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:47.680
Right?
01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:50.800
And it's that way in rules and you mean in the rules for fighting.
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:53.279
I don't like when there's a referee who's like the third player.
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.560
We used to deal with that all the time, and we would call it like the Brazilian advantage.
01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.680
Like, basically, if I'm fighting a Brazilian, he's got two points when we step on the mat.
01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:00.239
I'm sorry.
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:00.880
Absolutely.
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Always, because it could be a Brazilian.
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:03.520
So I always hated that.
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:09.920
I don't even like when a referee drags guy what like says break and reset like your second Hoiler match.
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:11.600
Like, just drag them over.
01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.439
Don't make guys recreate a complicated position.
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.880
Whatever happened, just dragging guys back to the middle and then like go.
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:23.279
But I basically as little to do with refs as possible is what I like.
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:24.319
Let the two guys do it.
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:24.960
Exactly.
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:28.079
I love the finishes, I love the EBI overtime.
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:31.199
Why did you select armbar?
01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:35.520
I mean, to start for the EBI overtime, the spider web, right?
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:38.159
And back control with a seatbelt.
01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:40.319
There's other versions.
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:46.399
The rear naked choke and or the arm bar is the epitome of jujitsu.
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:55.920
And what I mean by that is if like you had a like a silhouette logo for your school and it was a dude, like you just saw a shadow of a dude on their back.
01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:56.560
You know what it is.
01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:57.760
You know, that's jujitsu.
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.359
Or if you saw an arm bar with like a silhouette, jiu-jitsu.
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.680
But if you saw like a freeze frame of a guard pass, you'd be like, what is that?
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:13.600
Well, no, when I was thinking like a tr a loose triangle position or wrap the ankle 50-50, something like that.
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:14.159
Okay, go with it.
01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:23.439
There's no leg locks at OT because there's enough time, 10 minutes in regulation, because back then it was all leglock spamming and go, okay, let's take it to OT.
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:28.319
And I wanted it to be positions that nobody would be against.
01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:36.079
Like if I would have had, like, okay, let's start in a rubber guard position, or let's start in the twister and go live, they would think I was gearing it for me.
01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:39.840
So I go, let's make it so the Brazilians won't complain.
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:44.319
You either start in rear naked choke or arm bar, nothing unorthodox.
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:49.439
The most basic and traditional, the epitome of jujitsu, will make that the OT.
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:50.800
So you have no complaints.
01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:58.479
If I would have had a rubber guard option or a twister option or a leg lock option, the Brazilians would go, that's some bullshit.
01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.119
I totally get it.
01:23:59.199 --> 01:23:59.680
It's brilliant.
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:00.640
No excuses.
01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:02.399
Yeah, I don't have a problem with those two things.
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.079
I was just wondering, like, how did you settle on those two?
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:05.600
Specifically, so you have no excuses.
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:06.560
Well, I think it's amazing.
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:07.279
I love the format.
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:09.359
And by the way, you're wearing Comeback Jiu Jitsu.
01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:11.119
I love that format.
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:12.720
I don't know if you're still related to this.
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:14.560
No, I know about Denny.
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:20.399
So Denny lives up in my area now, and you know, we're friends, I haven't talked to him in a while, but I remember when he was training for something like that.
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:22.960
But I just think it is the most fun.
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:24.239
I'm not gonna switch now.
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:31.439
We can do another podcast about like real fighting and self-defense because I have a lot of stuff on that and where jujitsu sport is diverging and all that kind of stuff.
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:36.079
But the one thing I would suggest I think should just be part of all jujitsu is slaps.
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:36.880
I'm just sorry.
01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:45.039
If you can't protect your face, then the barambola you're doing or whatever else that you're doing is not really serving you.
01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:51.760
It's getting so far into sport, which I think is fine if you want to do sport, but for me, I would just say any day we're doing jujitsu.
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:57.439
I guess not hard, yeah, but I just kind of make you pay attention to it's a martial art, man.
01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:57.920
Yeah.
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:02.479
That's how it was when we were starting, like when we were talking, like you were even describing how someone would grab your hair.
01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.079
Well, if you were starting now, you wouldn't be worried about someone grabbing your hair because the rules don't allow it.
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:07.680
But we were learning how to fight.
01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:08.079
Yeah.
01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:08.560
Right?
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:09.439
Yeah, yeah.
01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.720
I mean, it's it's real, it was real simple for me.
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.920
I got into jujitsu because of the UFC.
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:20.479
I didn't get into the UFC and already had jujitsu in my life.
01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.279
I got into jujitsu because I saw the UFC.
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:27.119
I saw that jujitsu was the dominant martial art at that time.
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.439
And and it still is if you separate all the martial arts.
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:33.520
It's still jujitsu is still gonna be dominant.
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:39.920
If you take all the martial arts and you put the top dudes that only do that martial art, jujitsu is always gonna win.
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.479
If you don't know how to fight on the ground, easy fight for jujitsu.
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:49.680
But now that everybody is cross-training and everybody does jujitsu, everybody does wrestling, every everybody does striking.
01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:50.720
And the rule set.
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:54.479
I mean, the UFC's five-minute rounds and they all start standing.
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:59.439
Yeah, there's many matches in the UFC where there is no jujitsu.
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:05.920
And it got to the point now with the five-minute matches, if you get the fight hits the ground and there's a minute and a half left, just survive.
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:11.760
Mastering offense in jiu-jitsu is not that necessary.
01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:13.760
Look at Israel Adasania.
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:18.079
That guy's an insane striker, one of the greatest strikers of all time.
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:21.920
His jiu-jitsu doesn't need to be elite, it just needs to be good enough to not get it.
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:29.760
Yeah, it doesn't need to be that crazy because his striking is so out of this world that if he could just survive on the ground, the round's gonna end.
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.159
Maybe you lost that round because you got a takedown.
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:36.640
But next round you stand up and you it's a five-round main event.
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:38.479
You got all these stand-ups.
01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:49.039
So what ended up happening with jujitsu, from my point of view, not everyone's point of view, I was into jujitsu, I was into jujitsu because of the UFC.
01:26:49.199 --> 01:27:02.319
So my jiu-jitsu, I wanted to, it was very important that jujitsu not only represented well in the UFC, but was put in like realistic positions where we get data, like what works and what doesn't.
01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:14.319
And what happened real quick in the UFC was in the beginning, none of these guys Hoyce was fighting except for Ken Shamrock, but most of the guys had no idea how to fight on the ground.
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:14.720
Right.
01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:23.039
So it didn't matter whether Hoyce trained in a gi or no gi or 50% gi, 50% no gi.
01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:43.760
Even if you trained a hundred percent gi, and if you train a hundred percent gi and you're a black belt and you go against a guy who's never had any grappling, and you guys are both no-gi, the jiu-jitsu guy's still gonna whoop your ass, even though it's no gi, even though he's never trained no gi ever, because his opponent has no jujitsu.
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:45.920
So it's not gonna matter.
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:59.039
But if his opponent trained 10 years no gi and he never trained in the gi, and you trained 10 years in the gi, never trained no gi, it's gonna be a problem, right?
01:27:59.119 --> 01:27:59.359
Right.
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.000
There's gonna be a problem there.
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:14.800
So, what happened over the course of maybe 10-15 UFCs as more UFC fighters started training jiu-jitsu, like they didn't in the beginning.
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:20.800
None of those guys, none of those guys trained in the beginning, as time went on, everybody was training jujitsu.
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:24.560
So now all the little details mattered.
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:35.039
And what I started seeing was like, damn, you would see like I saw a Hicks and Gracie black belt go against Matt Hughes.
01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:46.720
And that Hicks and Gracie black belt, he had Matt Hughes in full guard most of the match, but didn't throw up any submission attempts.
01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:50.000
And I was watching this with my buddies who knew nothing about jiu-jitsu.
01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:54.239
I'm like a white belt or maybe a blue belt, going, oh, that guy's gonna kill the two wife.
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:55.439
He's gonna arm bar and watch.
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:56.239
He goes, okay.
01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:57.520
He's gonna arm bar and watch.
01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:58.560
He's gonna arm bar him.
01:28:58.720 --> 01:28:59.600
Yeah, he's gonna arm bar.
01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:02.079
Well, no, no, no, no, no, next round, he's gonna arm bar him.
01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:03.039
He never even tried.
01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:04.079
I'm like, damn.
01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:05.920
I go, what is going on here?
01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:07.359
I was like perplexed.
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.840
I go, why isn't he going for an arm bar?
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:15.359
And then I saw the same thing, I forget what Brazilian it was, legendary Brazilian.
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:27.760
It may have been Fabio Girgel against the Jerry Bolander, who was from Ken Shamrock's Lion's Den, which they were basically like a catch wrestling type school.
01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:32.319
They were doing a lot of grappling, but more catch wrestling based.
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:33.680
And it may have been.
01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:36.560
I remember Romario Sperry, I remember also fought.
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:39.840
So he had Jerry Bolander in the guard, and I'm like, same thing.
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.720
He's gonna arm bar him.
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:41.760
Why are you gonna get a triangle?
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:43.359
We do it all every day in class.
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:44.800
We do it all, it's so easy.
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:46.640
He's gonna, and then nothing happened.
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:54.479
So really quick, I realized oh my god, what's going on is the jujitsu guys, when they practice jujitsu, they're practicing with a gi.
01:29:54.880 --> 01:30:00.319
So when they're doing the arm bars and when they're doing the triangles, the setups are all based on gi grips.
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.800
Yeah, and that's the step number one.
01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:10.399
Like, I'm gonna show you an arm bar from the guard or an omaplata from the guard or a triangle from the guard.
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:18.399
The very first step is gonna be what part of the gi did you grab with the right hand, and what part of the gi are you grabbing with the left hand?
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:19.840
That's number one.
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:24.960
So when your opponent has no gi, your number one step is not there.
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:26.640
That's the problem.
01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:27.920
So it became a problem.
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:29.520
Like, I see what's going on.
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:35.680
These guys aren't really spending enough time, no gi with strikes, setting up the submissions.
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:35.920
Right.
01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:44.880
That when they work their jujitsu training, they're convinced that the gi training is gonna automatically translate no gi with strikes, and that nothing could be further from the truth.
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:50.960
That's why you never really saw all the great guard work that you see every day in class.
01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:53.199
You're not seeing it in the octagon.
01:30:53.520 --> 01:31:04.800
Like why, like you're seeing armbars, triangles, and homoplatos all day in class, but then in the MMA in the MMA with these black belts against wrestlers, no gi, you're not seeing shit.
01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:05.600
Why?
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:10.720
Because they're not spending enough time setting these submissions up without the gi.
01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:14.319
Totally different, and you had strikes.
01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:15.520
Yeah, that changes.
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:17.199
In the beginning, headbuts were legal.
01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.279
That was a whole nother fucking clusterfuck.
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.800
And then elbows and punches, and you don't have collars and sleeve.
01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.359
So to me, it was really clear.
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:34.239
The only way we're gonna be able to fight against this dilemma is you gotta train this shit every day.
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:37.600
You gotta take away the key, because that's the problem.
01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:46.159
That's how I saw it, based on me being the biggest jujitsu fan, me wanting jujitsu to win.
01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:50.319
I never was rooting for the wrestler over the jujitsu guy.
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:51.279
I don't give a fuck.
01:31:51.359 --> 01:32:02.079
If that wrestler was Mexican and he was born in this in the same city my mom was born in, going against a Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy, I'm going for the jiu-jitsu guy.
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:03.439
I don't care if he's Mexican.
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:07.680
In MMA, it's style over blood.
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:09.920
What I care about is the style.
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:13.520
I never was like backing like Mexican fighters because they were Mexican.
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:16.159
I love Brandon Moreno, I love him to death.
01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:19.920
There's some Mexican guys I love the death, but only because your jiu-jitsu is good.
01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:24.640
Brandon Moreno didn't have any jiu-jitsu, I would, I wouldn't be really looking.
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:25.600
Yeah, I wouldn't even care.
01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:30.560
It was very important for me, the jiu-jitsu, because it started off on top.
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:32.880
First couple years, no, no one had any doubt.
01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:34.239
Jiu-jitsu's number one.
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:38.640
But then after a while, wrestlers started finging up jujitsu guys and neutralizing them.
01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:44.079
And then some jujitsu guys got knocked out, like Conan and Silvillera got head kicked by Maury Smith.
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:46.239
We're going, oh my god, jujitsu's falling apart.
01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:49.840
So, what all I was trying to do was trying to help jujitsu.
01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:51.520
And we gotta fix this shit.
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:55.359
We gotta get good at the guard without the ghee.
01:32:55.600 --> 01:33:00.560
So it could be looked at, especially through the eyes of the elders in jujitsu.
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:02.640
Like I was a traitor to jujitsu.
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:04.239
Like, oh I never thought that for a second.
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:05.199
No, no, because you knew me.
01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.720
Yeah, and neither did Jean-Jacques, and I love they they knew what I was.
01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.479
I'm trying to help jujitsu.
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.920
I'm like, listen, are we in love with this fucking gi?
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:16.960
It's like a karate uniform.
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:19.520
Dude, we're getting our asses smoked in UFC.
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:22.079
We gotta fucking do something now.
01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:29.359
So, really, 10th Planet, when I started 10th Planet from day one, tapped out Hoiler, quit my show on the man show.
01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:30.880
It was all like, okay, cool.
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:34.319
So for the next couple years, I'm gonna, it'll be operation.
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:36.960
Let's fix the bottom game in MMA.
01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:39.279
I'll be doing this for like two years max.
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:40.960
I'll get a record deal and then I'm gone.
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:48.720
But until I get that record deal, let me solve some of the MMA bottom game problems that we're having.
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:55.920
Let's develop a real half guard for MMA, real strategy when there's strikes.
01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:57.119
It's a clinching game.
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.159
Everything's gotta be around the clinch because they're striking.
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:01.680
We got to stop the striking, number one.
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:08.720
So you gotta wrap them up and then not only wrap them up for defense, but wrap them up for your offense.
01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:17.920
So the problem is these guys that are practicing in the gi all day, then they go MMA and they don't really spend the time with the overks and underooks, they're clinching.
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.640
They're for sure gonna clinch, whether they're holding on for dear life.
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:22.960
Yeah, they're holding on for dear life and it's all defensive.
01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:23.359
Right, right.
01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:30.960
But what if you could that style was actually offense and the defense was just like a fringe benefit?
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:31.359
Yeah.
01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:32.640
That's what I'm playing.
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:33.039
Yeah, yeah.
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:37.119
My style, I'm getting the clinch when there's no strikes for the offense.
01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:40.079
But if there was punches, I would still be doing the same thing.
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:42.640
And it would defend me without even thinking about it.
01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:44.720
Because I want the clinch anyways for the offense.
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:45.039
Right.
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:46.399
Not just to survive.
01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:49.439
So that was the style I was trying to push.
01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:51.359
Because clinching stops all striking.
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:53.680
Because when they're striking, it's easy to clinch.
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.800
Like in boxing, it's so easy to clinch that you need the referee to constantly separate guys from clinching.
01:34:59.119 --> 01:34:59.920
Why are they clinching?
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:01.520
To stop from getting knocked out.
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:02.880
It works in grappling.
01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:04.960
You clinch to stop from getting knocked out.
01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:05.279
Great.
01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:08.319
But then you yeah, you got to have offense from there too.
01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:08.720
Yeah.
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:14.560
So that's what my whole style is based on is clinching, not for the defense, for the offense.
01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:17.760
And if they're striking, it's just gonna take care of itself anyways.
01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:19.359
You don't even have to change your style.
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:20.560
I think that's brilliant.
01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:24.319
And that's the point I was gonna make when you were talking about the need to train no-gi.
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:32.000
It's not just to train no-gi, it's to develop a style in no-gi that works in MMA, which is exactly what you did.
01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:38.079
So when I think of like mission control, like how it you're it's a full guard, it's a closed guard.
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.279
Anyone who's watching MMA today would say, Whoa, that's a very bad position to be in.
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:43.840
The guy's hovering over you, ground and pound, all that kind of stuff.
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:51.520
But I've been in your mission control, and I'm sure it's a billion times better now than it was back then, where you are locked up.
01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:58.560
Like I am stuck, and what's about to happen if I that I can't stop is I'm gonna get triangled, or I'm going to get armboard.
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:05.520
I can't stop it because you've created these, you've you've set in these steps, which I think is a really important part of jujitsu too.
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:09.920
It's not just you're not like leaping out like I was saying the catch wrestle is just go for this, finish, go for that, finish.
01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:14.079
You're so meticulous that like you do this and then you go to do that.
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:19.680
And then giving them the names, I think, is brilliant too, because that helps people then understand and remember what they're doing.
01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:20.640
That's the whole reason.
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:21.840
Is that why you were doing that?
01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:23.199
Well, that's like wrestling.
01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:24.880
Wrestling, every move has a name.
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:26.479
There's no move that doesn't have a name.
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:28.479
How are you gonna teach something if you can't name it?
01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:29.199
I know, I know.
01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:32.159
When I was learning jiu-jitsu, there were lots of moves that had no name.
01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:42.960
And when and once it got a name, once someone said the term half guard, because there used to just be, and in in my lifetime in jiu-jitsu, in Brazilian jujitsu, you kind of latch onto the guy's leg.
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:44.880
Okay, so now he's halfway out of guard.
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:52.479
But we didn't think of this as like a legit position called half guard that has really good sweeping potential and all that stuff.
01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:57.600
But as soon as someone started calling it half guard, then we started to look at it and say, oh, well, what is this thing called half-guard?
01:36:57.680 --> 01:36:58.720
Look, that's kind of a cool position.
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:01.119
So you got the underhook, you can come out on top.
01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:02.960
So I really agree with what you're saying.
01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:07.359
And the fact that they're fun names and really interesting names, I don't know if you ever regretted any of those.
01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:08.560
Oh, I regret a lot of them.
01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:11.119
I call the uh there's a move called the douchebag.
01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:12.479
I wish I could take that back.
01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:26.079
Like we in regards to Rubber Guard, there's not that many uh UFC fighters in the history of the UFC that have mastered the rubber guard or practiced it enough to actually utilize it, but there have been a handful.
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:27.439
There have been like 20.
01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:33.680
And in all instances, in all MMA, whether it's UFC, Bellator, all that.
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:37.520
Anytime Rubber Guard has been used, and it's been used a lot in Japan.
01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.479
On most MMA fighters don't know how to use it.
01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:42.640
They don't, they just don't have anybody teaching them.
01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:45.199
They've somehow been convinced that it's a waste of time.
01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:54.239
But if you do the data analysis, you'll see that not one person in the history of the rubber guard being used at MMA, and it's been used a lot.
01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:55.680
No one has ever been knocked out.
01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:56.319
Got knocked out.
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:57.840
No one's ever been knocked out.
01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.840
The primary function of rubber guard is just defense.
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:10.159
Like if someone you're on your back, you're a striker, you didn't want to be on the back, but you you have all you have is defensive rubber guard, you get to mission control, get to crackhead control.
01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:11.760
Another name that I regret.
01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:16.800
Regardless of what you name it, if you're doing proper rubber guard, it's impossible to get knocked out.
01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:18.159
Yeah, it's impossible.
01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:25.920
So when in regards to safety first, defense first, and MMA rubber guard, just boom, just make sure you don't get knocked out.
01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:27.199
The referee will stand you up.
01:38:27.359 --> 01:38:31.680
You could look at it like that and get a lot of mileage out of that strategy.
01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:41.439
Or you could learn how to use it offensively, and the D, you don't even have to think about defense because if you're using it offensively, the defense is automatic and you don't have to think about it.
01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:42.720
It's just like automatic.
01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:43.439
Yeah.
01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:44.479
So are you?
01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:47.359
You mentioned someone you're with Fedor tonight.
01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:49.920
Are you training people right now on that specifically?
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:50.479
Yes.
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:51.199
Oh, yeah.
01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:53.439
Fedor is one of my top guys.
01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:56.800
Fedor, Dom Lobo, he's a rubber guard master.
01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:58.640
We're working on rubber guard all the time.
01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:03.680
People can say it worker works for a dozen, whatever, but I know that it's just noises.
01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:05.680
I got guys like Dom Lobo.
01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:07.119
Shit, you don't think his rubber guard works?
01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:09.039
Get in his rubber guard, you're telling me don't work.
01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:10.239
He fucks people up.
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:12.720
He has, and maybe you could find the B-roll.
01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.520
You could find Dominic Lobo, Dom Lobo.
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:23.039
He was in combat jujitsu, and he knocked out a guy in a gogo platter, just had a go-go plata, choke at him, and knocked him the fuck out.
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:23.760
Have you seen that video?
01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:24.239
No, I haven't.
01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.600
Oh yeah, it's like it's one of the most viral jujitsu videos ever.
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:28.800
You need to b-roll that shit.
01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:29.359
We'll get it.
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:31.439
Dom Lobo, Go-Go Plata.
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:37.520
You could go to his Instagram, uh, Dominic Lobo, BJJ, watch the Gogo Plata knockout.
01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:44.079
It's never been done in the history of the fucking world, not even in Greco-Roman times with fucking Thanos.
01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:44.640
Yeah, yeah.
01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:45.279
All right.
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:46.319
This has never been done.
01:39:46.479 --> 01:39:48.000
People still have doubts with RubberGuard.
01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:52.720
It's because you have to have an instructor that is good at it.
01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:56.720
And there ain't that many people that are good at it that will teach you the right way.
01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.880
Because there's instructors that are actually good at it, but they're not teaching it the right way.
01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:03.279
It's a long process, but it's worth it.
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:06.159
Look into Richie Boogeyman Martinez.
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:09.279
You could put his highlight rail, last no-gee worlds.
01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:13.359
He four matches and everybody rubber guarded and finished them.
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:15.760
Four guys in a row, the exact same way.
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.560
Nobody had any kind of offense or any kind of attack allowed.
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:25.199
He goes out there, wrestles a little bit, pulls guard, and then just attacks and it's over.
01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:25.760
Four guys.
01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:26.960
And this is a nightmare.
01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:30.399
Yeah, it was no-gee worlds, IBJ JF at the black belt level.
01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:31.199
Boom.
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:39.760
At the time when you were getting better than me, purple belt, brown belt for you, my only defense against it was stay out of your guard.
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:40.319
That was my thing.
01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:42.079
It's like don't go into Eddie's guard.
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:44.399
And by the way, don't go into his half guard either.
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:45.520
Like, I don't know what to do.
01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:46.399
Pull him into my guard.
01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:47.840
You know, that's the only thing I could do with that.
01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:49.199
That's a good strategy.
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:51.600
Yeah, but we sailed past that.
01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:54.159
Could we talk about music for a minute?
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:54.640
Yes.
01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:55.359
All right.
01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:58.640
So I'll share with you a little bit about my my music history and stuff like that.
01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:00.319
But it's a lie that people don't like your stuff.
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:01.760
I actually found you on Spotify.
01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.239
I really liked a lot of the stuff that I was hearing, at least on Spotify.
01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:05.600
I don't know where else your stuff is.
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:06.560
There's a few songs.
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:09.920
The last album I released is on Spotify and Apple Music.
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.359
It's called Hook Thieves.
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:13.119
The album is called Jar of Lies.
01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:16.159
It's like a parody on Alice and Chain's Jar of Flies.
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:18.560
It's a parody album, Hook Thieves.
01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:34.720
I liked it.
01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:35.359
Thank you.
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.520
A link between music and martial arts.
01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:41.199
For me, I think my music I've been a musician since I was a little kid.
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:51.199
My dad left high school in San Diego, went out to New York, got into like show biz, we're talking like the 40s kind of thing, and started doing songwriting.
01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:55.439
And he wrote songs, a song called For Heaven's Sake, that was recorded by lots of people.
01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:58.479
Billy Holidays, like stuff like he was in that whole world.
01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:03.680
And then he moved out to the West Coast, did some stuff with Elvis, I mentioned, and then kind of left that business.
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:06.720
So I knew I'm gonna be a musician when I grew up.
01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:08.560
And I'm also like this really altruistic guy.
01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:09.439
I'm gonna save the world.
01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:10.880
I'm gonna like write music.
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:15.199
Either I'll make a lot of money and help the world, or I'll write songs that inspire people, help the world.
01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:19.600
And so like when I went to I did go to college, I graduated high school, went to UCLA.
01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:22.000
I didn't buy a book because I didn't care about my grades.
01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:24.239
I just wanted to learn because I want to be an educated guy.
01:42:24.399 --> 01:42:26.960
So I will took classes that I wanted to take.
01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:33.119
I didn't care what my grades were because if anyone would ask me, it's like I'm not going, I'm not becoming a lawyer after college or something.
01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:34.319
I'm gonna be a musician.
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:36.079
And I was playing in bands.
01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.640
And then through high school, I was on Dr.
01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:39.199
Demento.
01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.279
I played in this joke band called the Abysmal Pepto.
01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:41.760
Remember Dr.
01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:42.239
Demento?
01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:42.880
Yeah, I do remember.
01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:44.640
We had a song who was like number four on Dr.
01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:45.279
Demento.
01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:46.319
I got all this stuff I can play for.
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:50.560
We're gonna hear a song next about a remarkable robot from Chicago.
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:51.359
Dr.
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:52.560
Demento.
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:04.479
I was born with a test tube at my home's in Chicago.
01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.920
I've got my Rex on the forehead and a stone in my heart.
01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:14.640
Went to Israel for a year after I graduated college because my girlfriend was there for a year studying, and so I had nothing to do.
01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.039
I was just kind of hanging out with her because we were hiding from her parents.
01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:18.159
They didn't want us to be together.
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.680
So she went to take a year in another country, and I went there too, and they didn't know I was there.
01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:26.479
And I started of teaching jujitsu there, training jiu-jitsu there, Karab Maga stuff in Israel.
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:34.479
But started this band called Something from Nothing, and we were like the hot shit for foreigners, for expats who were in Jerusalem.
01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:35.840
It was really great.
01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.279
Goodbye, misery.
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:00.479
Oh my god.
01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:17.600
Anyway, but when I came back, that's when I really got serious with music, and I knew like I was gonna be in music and got involved in this band that had been called Curves that had been signed, had an album out under Capitol Records, but didn't get promoted because the same AR guy had Jay Guiles band or something, and they were promoting him instead.
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:23.279
So I played for years, and we had this rehearsal space out in Chatsworth, and I was keyboards at that time.
01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:29.520
And actually, our manager was Tom Skeeter, who was Rick Springfield's manager.
01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:30.000
Remember him?
01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:31.520
Kind of a candy rock, you know?
01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:32.319
He was his manager.
01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:35.520
He's like seven years old and he's shredded and he's yoked right now.
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:36.479
Is he still around?
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:37.920
He's shredded, he's playing now.
01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:41.840
He's big, he's like big now, he's making a resurgence, and he his body looks like he's 30.
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:42.640
That's crazy.
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:43.920
Yeah, see what he's doing.
01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:44.960
Yeah, he's shredded.
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:50.319
So, but but Tom Skeeter also owned Sound City, which it was the big recording studio out in the valley.
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:54.720
I don't know if you remember Metallica recorded there, yes recorded there, all these bands recorded there.
01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:58.800
So we had access to that to do demos, and we did some demos, and Sha'll play them for you sometimes.
01:44:59.039 --> 01:44:59.760
Really good.
01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:11.119
Do not know you belong with a love.
01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:16.800
But like I said, we were good, but not great, and you had to be great.
01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:37.199
And we had a big list, we would play the whiskey, we would play the Roxy, we would play like the Palomino and stuff, and we could fill the place, so they loved it because we had people that can't would come and dance and stuff, but we just I just got soured on it because and then my guys in the band, we were all friends and stuff, and they wanted fun, but they were mainly mainly more, I think, out for the girls and what most people are out for.
01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:45.039
Yeah, but I like wanted to save the world, and so that's how I moved away from that and then started to move into what I wanted to do to save the world, which is the animal stuff.
01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:50.800
But for what I've always thought with the music and jujitsu is okay, first timing.
01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:55.279
Yeah, timing is important, intensity, volume, right?
01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:57.760
So if I want to sucker you in, I turn down my volume.
01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:01.760
It's like how you lean in when the music goes in, and then suddenly you get hit with like the loud thing.
01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:03.039
I do that in jujitsu.
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:08.880
Just all these different things I do with music where I think music and jujitsu kind of, and I wonder, do you see those parallels?
01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:09.920
Do you feel those parallels?
01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:11.359
How you're creating your system?
01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:33.359
Well, the parallels that I see are when in regards to music, I was mixing everything: metal, hip-hop, EDM, chick singers, acoustic, the pesh mode, the cure, nine and snails, slayer.
01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:36.880
I was really into mixing everything up together.
01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:42.720
I was doing hip-hop metal with keyboards and piano 10 years before Lincoln Park.
01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:43.840
I was doing that way shit.
01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:48.800
So when people hear my shit now, they go, oh, Lincoln Park, they go, dude, I was doing that way before Lincoln Park.
01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:50.479
I was doing that shit in the early 90s.
01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.600
And the first Lincoln Park album came out in 2000.
01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:57.279
So that's how I correlate that with jujitsu.
01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:07.439
With like jujitsu, I was open to mixing things, cross-training, catching catch wrestling, jujitsu, yeah, whatever worked, Indonesian wrestling, if there's a good move there.
01:47:07.600 --> 01:47:12.800
So I was always open to all forms of grappling.
01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:17.199
Jiu-jitsu is always number one, but I look, I look at The Twister's a wrestling move.
01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:18.560
That's not even a jiu-jitsu move.
01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:20.399
The Brazilians thought I made that up.
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:22.079
They thought I came up with that move.
01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:24.560
I'm like, dude, that's a high school wrestling move.
01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:26.319
Yeah, that's how my music is.
01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:30.479
My music is a mixture of everything that feels good to me.
01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:32.319
Not like I don't like all music.
01:47:32.399 --> 01:47:33.199
I'm not mixing in.
01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:38.479
I'm not like a jazz guy, I'm not an opera guy, I'm not a funk guy.
01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:45.199
I like, I was a metalhead that like goth, and I like like trance EDM too.
01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:46.319
Dark wave.
01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:52.000
I got my I'm not into blues, I'm not into jazz, I'm not into that shit.
01:47:52.079 --> 01:47:53.760
People are into that, that's not me.
01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:59.920
I'm into metal, goth, new wave, dark wave, that kind of shit.
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:02.000
You know, so but I mix all that shit.
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:03.840
I mix it all in together.
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:10.079
I don't mix everything, but I mix in a lot of different genres, and that's how my jujitsu is pretty much.
01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:11.439
I totally see that.
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:16.399
Yeah, for me in music, we were never, we were straight ahead pop rock, danceable, rock band, or whatever.
01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:20.239
I like a lot of the stuff that you're saying too, but I am a blues kind of classic rock.
01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:20.960
I mean, Zephyr.
01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:22.720
Most people love blues, you know.
01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:23.039
Yeah.
01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:26.399
My heroes love, like one of my heroes is Ace Freely.
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:27.119
He was all in blues.
01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:27.840
Of course, of course.
01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:28.399
But I wasn't.
01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:31.760
I like what he took from blues and made it hard rock and metal.
01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:38.479
I like that, but I don't like a Mexican, I don't like mariachi, I don't like uh samba, you know what I mean?
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:39.439
I don't like any of that.
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:43.600
I just metal, rock, goth, EDM.
01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:49.760
I love electronic stuff as long as it's has like a epic feel to it with a little melancholy vibe.
01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:52.319
I was gonna say that doesn't lend itself to live performance.
01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:56.319
It does, but then you're being more like DJ and like managing the stuff.
01:48:56.479 --> 01:48:57.199
Do you do?
01:48:57.359 --> 01:49:01.840
Did you ever, other than the DJing, which is in its own way a live performance, right?
01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:05.199
Do you ever play music live or are you doing all recording?
01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:15.760
Yeah, like the album I just released is a it's like an acoustic parody, political, funny, dirty type little fun band.
01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:20.319
I generally produce music for real singers and real rappers.
01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:23.039
I make the music, put it all together, I produce it.
01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:28.479
I do write a lot of like joke songs that have never, I never thought of putting on an album.
01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:29.840
They're just like for my friends.
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:38.000
And we're here with my coo, we like jam here, and I'll we'll just I'll come up with like dirty shit, violent shit, racist shit.
01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:41.039
It just never thinking to release.
01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:41.920
I've always done that.
01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:43.119
And my voice sucks.
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.520
So I would like, I'm not gonna like, why would I release this?
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:46.720
This is just for my buddies.
01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:50.079
And if the song is funny enough, it doesn't matter that your voice sucks.
01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:58.319
But during the scandemic, man, songs were just pouring out of me, just like left and right, like never before.
01:49:58.479 --> 01:49:59.680
So I wrote all these crazy.
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.039
Songs during the pandemic, scamdemic, sorry.
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:04.159
Excuse me.
01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:12.479
Then Armon would start playing piano during it, like we would just be like, and then they turned into like songs that we'd play at parties, UFC parties.
01:50:12.640 --> 01:50:14.399
And then I thought, damn, how many songs we got?
01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:16.239
And I go, let's make an album.
01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:17.840
And it was like not planned.
01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:18.880
We had all the songs written.
01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:20.239
I go, dude, we could do an album.
01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:25.119
So did an album, put it out, but it's parody comedy album.
01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:26.319
Again, it's a hook thieves.
01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:30.800
Hook thieves on Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube.
01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:32.800
The album's called Jar of Lies.
01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:47.520
The lyrics are ridiculous, but I try to counterbalance it by making the music as epic and as pretty and beautiful as possible so that you don't really notice that the lyrics are ridiculous.
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:48.239
Yeah, no, I know.
01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:49.359
So it's a joke in itself.
01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:51.119
The music is a joke in itself.
01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:59.279
Like trying to, it's so the lyrics, but if you make the music cinematic enough, it could make it.
01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:00.399
You take it seriously.
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:02.640
Yeah, you might not even know that it's a joke.
01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:07.920
There's some people that might like a song or two, and they don't have no idea that they're liking it for the wrong reasons.
01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:10.720
They think I'm saying this, but I'm actually saying the opposite.
01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:11.680
And you just have to do that.
01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:12.720
That is very funny.
01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:19.039
This is reminding me a little bit about my days with the abysmal peptos, which was maybe a little bit more the doctor and mentor, which was a little bit more silly.
01:51:19.119 --> 01:51:23.680
But we had a song, I don't know if I'm gonna have to cut this, but called Chainsaw Love.
01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:26.000
I won't whine you and I won't dine you.
01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:32.479
But when all the boys decline you of your beauty, I'll remind you I will take you to my tower and treat you like a queen.
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:36.159
And the word between comes up and it has to do with the chainsaw.
01:51:36.399 --> 01:51:39.520
So, and people would go crazy because it's such a sweet song.
01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:41.279
So I'm like playing the piano guitar.
01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:47.439
It's this beautiful song, and you're like, it's like you're setting someone up for for a knockout, and then you're suddenly jamming a chainsaw.
01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:51.520
It's just like I love that's no that that's what this whole album is.
01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:59.920
We are in your HQ, we're sitting by Cage, we've got the mat over here, but we are in a corner where there is a piano and there is guitars.
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:01.520
Like you've also got your music stuff right here.
01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:02.159
It's like your love.
01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:02.960
Yeah, yeah.
01:52:03.039 --> 01:52:08.640
After class, it's not uncommon that we do some karaoke and we jam those songs on the album.
01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:15.119
We played live, we've done a few gigs with Barn Venice and then the one in Torrance, a couple gigs.
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:17.039
One in Austin, we did a gig.
01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:18.000
Nobody showed up.
01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:19.520
You got a mailing list?
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:20.239
No.
01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:23.760
You put it on your socials?
01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:24.960
I'm not even trying, dude.
01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:30.479
Yeah, I put out an album, didn't send it to any record companies, record executives, AR people.
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:31.520
Like the music doesn't have to be.
01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:32.880
This business is so different now.
01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:38.720
Back in the day when I was involved in it, there was a lot, you know, there was a lot of shit and stuff going on.
01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:42.000
But the main thing was you just wouldn't own it, you would lose your soul.
01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:43.439
Like you wouldn't get the money from it.
01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:47.199
Playing live is the only way you'd really make any money, unless you became like a big star.
01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.319
But I think it's become democratized a lot with Spotify and shit like that.
01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:51.680
People can put their own stuff on there.
01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:52.560
I think that's a good thing.
01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:53.199
Yeah.
01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:54.159
AI.
01:52:54.479 --> 01:53:02.319
So my experience with Suno, I had some friend who was doing some stuff with AI, and I'm all into AI, I'm using it for lots of things, whatever, it's a tool.
01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:06.239
And he said, Hey, we it can like make your song really great or something.
01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:07.279
Like, what are you talking about?
01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:09.840
So I have tons of songs that I've never recorded, right?
01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:16.720
I have songs like about animal stuff that I care about that's like expressing something I believe in, like this one, like who's afraid of the big bad wolf?
01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:25.520
And it's talking about why people are scared of wolves, and then it goes and talks about hey, wolves are really cool, and then like who's afraid of a shark, and like what how sharks are scary, but they're actually kind of cool.
01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:26.960
But then it talks about people.
01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:28.000
Like, what do people do?
01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:37.119
We kill sharks, we kill wolves, we like rape our mates, and it's like this turnaround thing, like members of the human race, hold a mirror to your face, now you're looking at the big bad wolf.
01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:38.960
And it's just cool, I'm never gonna record that.
01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:40.399
I got all these things I'm never gonna record.
01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:44.079
He says, put it on a guitar, just sing it, like Aki, whatever, sing.
01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:51.359
I give him a couple of these songs, and you notice if you know sooner, and he gives it back to me, and it's like totally produced, it's amazing.
01:53:51.520 --> 01:54:05.600
And I just like almost brought tears to my eyes, like, because I it's the first time I've like had that reaction to like a technology because I thought, wow, this has the ability to take something I wanted to say and help me say it in a way that I don't ever have the time to do it.
01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:21.680
Now, I just didn't totally agree with exactly you know the production, and I don't want to spend time on Suno like tweaking this and tweaking that, but I could see the value, not in AI originating music, which maybe it'll do at some point, but it's all derivative.
01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.119
It can, it can.
01:54:23.279 --> 01:54:35.279
But in taking something that is human written, and in the same way I would have gone on with my buddies and worked with them to get it the way I wanted, it would have taken weeks, or I could go pay someone else to arrange it or whatever.
01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:37.520
I'm just giving it to someone else to arrange.
01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:42.640
That someone happens to be an AI, but I just thought that was it blew me away.
01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:42.880
Yeah.
01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:43.359
I loved it.
01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:44.560
Yeah, I'm all into it too.
01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:47.119
I'm fell in into it the same way.
01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:50.800
I produced maybe 10 different projects.
01:54:51.039 --> 01:55:17.760
And each project I was writing my heart out, putting together these songs, and then the project fell apart, didn't get a record deal, but the the plan was like, oh shit, with these shitty little four-track task cam songs that I'm producing, like the dream is to get signed to a major label and get major label production with a high-level producer taking these shitty little four-track demos and and giving them same song, same lyrics, but that's everyone's goal.
01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:19.119
That's every songwriter's goal.
01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.119
That's everybody that's ever been in a band.
01:55:21.199 --> 01:55:21.439
Right.
01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:28.960
Their goal is to get a major record label to sign them and then get major label production.
01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:36.880
And then have your song that you recorded in your fucking garage with either a ghetto blaster or a little four-track or eight-track task camp.
01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:37.359
Task camp.
01:55:37.840 --> 01:55:38.560
Yeah, that's what I did.
01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:39.840
That's I did that my whole life.
01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:46.960
And then you don't get signed, that project goes you know down the twos, but you still have all those songs, and then you have a new project, new songs.
01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:54.800
Hopefully, can I get these songs on a major record deal and to have it sound like Rick Rubin produced it?
01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:55.920
That didn't work.
01:55:56.079 --> 01:56:02.239
And then the next project, another 10 songs, fails, falls apart, break up, arguments.
01:56:02.479 --> 01:56:03.439
Next project.
01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:06.399
So I've had all these projects over the last 40 years.
01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:10.239
I was three deep in projects by the time I started jujitsu.
01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:13.359
I was like, dude, I was making music through my whole teens and everything.
01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:18.079
Project after project, nobody signs me.
01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:21.600
There's no rec major record labels signing me.
01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:26.560
There's no Bob Rock producing my shit, making it sound like a million dollars.
01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.439
It still sounds like$30 production.
01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:35.359
AI gets a bad rap for like AI evil, AI demon, AI this.
01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:36.560
And it can be.
01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:40.720
In regards to music, you think like AI music bad.
01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:46.159
Like you think it's just black and white, but you don't understand how to compose music.
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It's a two because it is bad if you use AI to write your lyrics and to write your music.
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Like AI can do that.
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AI can write your lyrics.
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You just prompt it.
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Say, hey, write a song about a guy, meets a girl, and the girl leaves the guy because she finds another dude and guy is depressed.
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And then the music, you make it sound like 80s synthesis.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And boom, 20 seconds, you got a song.
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Yeah.
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That's those songs suck.
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And it's like, oh, AI is writing music.
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Writing music is easy.
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Writing lyrics is easy.
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Kids write poems.
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It's not that hard.
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But AI is never gonna write a song for you, like where it wrote the lyrics and it wrote the music, and you're gonna put it on repeat.
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It's not gonna happen.
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There's no way AI can do that.
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Impossible.
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It's not gonna write its song.
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If you're putting on an AI song on repeat, you're yeah, you're not discriminating taste.
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The songs you put on repeat come from human experiences.
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AI can't do that.
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But it's not black and white.
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Production.
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You could take a song, and this is what I'm doing, this is what you're doing.
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Songs that I wrote 25 years ago that are just sitting collecting dust in the archives of my hard drive of music that I will never go back and reproduce that shit.
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I don't have time.
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You know how much money it costs to do one song high level?
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Because I am doing high-level shit.
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I have high-level engineers now.
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Now I do Danny Lohner.
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I pay him and he makes high-level shit, high-level major, but it takes forever for one song.
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It might take two years.
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By the time we get together, we get together for two days, and then he's doing all other shit, and then we get back to six months later, and then it takes forever.
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No, it's later.
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So now with AI, with Suno, you could take all those songs, and I'm that's what I'm doing.
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I've been doing this for like six months, taking all the songs that were not gonna do anything.
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Past projects that I'm not gonna redo.
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I don't have, I would like to redo it.
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I would like to see how it would sound with major label because I still got this old songs, I still keep track of them, but I ain't gonna do it.
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It's gonna cost too much money, too much time.
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But now I could take those old songs uploaded to Suno, and it takes the song, a completed song, with lyrics and vocal melodies and the same chord structures, the same music.
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You tell it what you want, and then you it give it pops back the same song, but if it was signed a major label with major label production, insane, the masterings done, yeah, everything, the mixing, the production, same song.
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I know.
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Yeah, I know.
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That's what brought tears to my eye.
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Yeah, so that's what I'm doing.
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Yeah, so what I'm doing is I'm taking all the projects that I've done before and having Lana Del Rey sing them.
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I love it.
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Oh Lana Del Rey versions of all my old songs.
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So no matter what it is, whether it's a rap, it's Lana Del Rey rapping.
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Whether it's speed metal, it's Lana Del Rey doing speed metal.
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Whether it's like all the the I produced a lot of actual Lana style songs.
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I've done a I was doing Gina, but the first female vocalist I was working with, first four songs we did was in 2000.
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Lana Del Rey was like 11.
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We were already doing that, like super sexual, like old style, not doing vocal gymnastics like, you know, because like Lana Del Rey isn't singing like like Christina Aguilera.
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She's not singing like Beyonce, she's not doing vocal gymnastics, which I appreciate and which is amazing.
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But I like vocalists that are just all soul, like Lana Del Rey and like Gina, my first vocalist.
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So when I listen to Lana Del Rey, I'm like, oh my God, that's what Gina was trying to do, but we didn't have the major label production, but Lana's doing what me and Gina were doing.
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So what I'm doing now is all my shit, Lana Del Rey.
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I got a playlist on YouTube.
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I have like, I've done a million songs already, a million versions, but I have like the top 23 Lana Del Rey covers.
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So basically, the playlist is called If Lana Covered.
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So basically, every video is gonna be If Lana Covered, Social Distancing by Hook Pete.
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That's what I'm I'm obsessed with now.
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So now all these old songs that I would have never resurrected, now I get to see what they sound like if they're if I would have got signed.
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So that's the beauty.
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So I put them all on a playlist called If Lana Covered.
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And then all the songs, If Lana covered Tonight It Ends by Smoke Serpent, If Lana covered Falling Under by Temple of Mere, all these different projects that I produce.
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And then you want to say, oh, that's AI, that's fake.
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Why don't you go in the description, click the link, and you'll see what who wrote that song?
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You'll see the AI write that song, or did I write that song?
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So I'm having fucking fun with that, dude.
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I fucking love it.
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Put it on shuffle.
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Smoke a number, if Lana covered playlist, smoke a join, put it on shuffle, boom, and then come back and talk to me.
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I love it, man.
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I really love it.
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It's a great use of AI.
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Hell yeah, I love it.
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Yeah.
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And AI can never fuck with jujitsu.
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AI can take over every job.
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That's exactly it ain't taking over jujitsu because what people pay for, the reason why there's money in jujitsu is for the rolling.
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You can't have AI rolling.
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100%.
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You know what I mean?
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The true interpersonal AI ain't fucking with jiu-jitsu at all.
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Yeah, your job is secure.
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Oh my god.
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Like, I don't have to worry about that.
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I love AI.
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Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying.
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All right, just before I let you go, animals.
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What's the cat cafe you said you're doing?
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Yeah, I got currently I have 13 cats, and we're using my house right now as a cat rescue.
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And out of the 13, six are actually mine.
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Seven are fosters that we're fostering.
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And we're just we're just trying to, me and my wife trying to save as many cats as possible.
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And we are definitely doing the groundwork for a cat rescue slash cafe.
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Yeah.
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We want to open up a cat cat face rescue where you go, you hang out with the cats, it's Wi-Fi, you have coffee, cat cafe.
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If you get attached to one, you could adopt it.
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And we're like, that's what we're doing.
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I love a couple of cats.
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Like we're just we got like five cats out here in the back at night.
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I feed them every night.
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The alley cats.
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I'm I'm obsessed with cats.
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I love cats.
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Okay, if I didn't love you before, which I did, I love you double now.
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I think because anybody so okay, so cats are like when I feed cats, like every night, dude.
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I'm fucking broken after training.
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Dead.
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I can't even sometimes I can't even hang out.
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I'm like, I just need to go home and go to bed.
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But it feels so good that there's no way I'm not gonna feed those fucking cats.
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If I have food, there's no matter how tired, I'm gonna go get them.
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They're high, they're hiding behind these buildings and shit.
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As soon as I click the clack, clutch, they all come out, boom.
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And then it's it feels so good to feed a cat.
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It feels so good.
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Like you're bonding with them, like you're feeding them and they get closer.
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Every time you feed them, they get closer to you and they trust you more.
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I fucking love that.
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That's what I love about cats, is they'll only show you love if you show them love.
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Yeah, you're like dogs, dogs are like like a reflection of God.
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A dog will love everybody unconditionally, like God.
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And it's weird, the dog is God backwards.
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So like a like a dog is like a reflection of God.
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Like, damn, they just love you, no questions asked, and they love everybody.
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Yeah, a stranger comes over, they love you.
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Cats are not like that.
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A cat's are a reflection of you, not of God, because a cat will do for you what you do for it.
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If you ain't gonna give that cat no love, the cat don't give a f about you.
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He can care less about you if you care less about it.
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But if you show it love and you feed it and you pet it, then it gives you love back.
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I like I'm obsessed with that.
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I'm obsessed with the personal connections I have with all my cats.
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Every cat is a different.
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We cuddle a different way, I pet them a different way, they act a different way.
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Every cat is totally different, they all got their own personalities.
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Litters are my favorite.
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Like we had a litter of four recently, and just bringing them up, they're like two months.
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Watching them with cats is like it's insane what you can learn from cats, how amazing they are, because like a dolphin, a baby dolphin, learns everything from their mother, learns how to hunt, where to stay away from.
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Cats, they are the most perfect killing machines on earth.
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All cats, tigers, house cats, jaguars, perfect killing machines that need no private training.
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They know, they don't need no one to show them.
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They are perfect killing machines, they know how to stop, they're the most athletic, the most graceful, the most beautiful creatures.
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There's no animals more athletic than cats.
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They're the most athletic, the most graceful, and they're the top predators, they're the best at killing and knowing how to show them.
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It's all in their instincts.
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They all know.
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As kitties, all they do is practice killing each other.
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They're just practice killing each other.
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But they they they pull guard, cats pull guard all the time.
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So when people say guard pulling is for pussies, watch cats.
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They pull guard all the fucking time.
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Because they pull guard and they want to use their hind legs to scratch your fucking organs.
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Yeah, you know, just cut.
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I'm fucking fascinated with their instincts.
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Not only it's it in their blood that they're like perfect killing and hunting machines, but they know how to clean themselves.
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No one taught them how to clean.
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They never watched their mom.
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They know exactly how to clean themselves.
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They're killing the phone, they're like, uh-uh-uh-uh.
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They know how to clean themselves.
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Like, how who taught them that?
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They know how to kill and they know exactly where to go when there's like a loud noise.
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They don't ever stutter, they go right behind the couch or right behind this fucking dresser.
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They know exactly where to go in a flash when there's some shit going down.
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Yeah, they don't like go and go, oh my god, what's going on?
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They know where to go, they bolt, you know what I mean?
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And they all they sleep, the litter sleep together, they play together, they they groom each other together.
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I fucking love I can I feel like Jane Goodall of cats.
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I'm like, God damn, these creatures are amazing.
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They are.
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I mean, all animals are in different ways, but cats certainly are.
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And okay, so I've grew up mainly with dogs, came absolutely love cats.
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A cat taught me how to love cats.
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I was living out in Chatsworth decades ago, out in this mountain-y kind of thing, off the beaten track, walked outside my house, was doing some kung fu, I used to do kung fu in high school, like deep stance, and out of nowhere, off of like this rock, there's no houses around, a cat walks up and jumps on my thigh looking at me.
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I didn't know cats, I'd never had a cat.
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And that cat like adopted me.
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Damn.
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And then stayed with me.
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We would go on walks together.
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That cat knew all the neighborhood dogs, was cool with them, and that cat literally taught me how to deal with cats.
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And exactly all the stuff that you're saying, how you go to them is amazing.
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It's like a they have a wisdom, you know what I mean?
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It's like they are an incarnation almost of like something else, like an old soul.
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That's what that cat was was an old soul.
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That's why Egyptians worshiped him.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I thought I was gonna be a musician, all that kind of stuff.
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I was gonna save the world.
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And then what happened was one night I get this call that a cousin of mine tragically died, a young cousin of mine got run over, and I'm like, shit, life is short.
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And I'm not like succeeding at this music stuff.
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What if I die tomorrow?
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I didn't like help the world.
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So I thought, and I was like, I don't know, 28 years old, and I thought, well, what how do I want to help the world?
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What if I did it right now?
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What if I quit my job?
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I was working like computers or law firm.
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And I said, Well, I want to help like the less fortunate, like kids or people who are like, I hate bullies.
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I've always hated bullies.
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That's my whole martial arts stuff.
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But animals, man, they're in the face of humans, they're defenseless.
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You know, people who abuse animals, whatever.
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I just thought animals is my thing.
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And so that's how I switched.
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And it's a long story of how I got it, got into animal nonprofit work, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Ended up creating adoptapet.com, which became the world's largest nonprofit pet adoption website.
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I totally know.
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That's you.
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That was me.
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And my nonprofit created it, and we had millions of dollars of sponsorships.
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Purina, because what did we have?
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We had the eyeballs of people who were looking to adopt pets.
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What does Purina want?
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Those people, they will say, hey, here's your pet, we're gonna give you some food, we're gonna give you a leash, we're gonna give you a collar, we're gonna give you health insurance, whatever.
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And so it was a super successful nonprofit thing, multi-million dollar thing.
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But I thought, okay, we've done a lot of good stuff for dogs and cats, but then I look at what's going on at factory farms with how we're raising meat today.
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And we're not talking about how it used to be just have a chicken and then go slaughter the chicken, fine.
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Or we're not talking about going out and hunting and taking an animal that is fine.
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We're talking about this concentrated things where we're growing a million chickens in one barn.
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Like it's unbelievable what's going on.
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And so we sold adopthepet.com to Mars, which is Pure News competitor.
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They have pedigree, IMs, all that stuff.
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They're running it, they hired all my people, they have an incentive.
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We talked about align your incentives.
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They want people to adopt pets so they can make money.
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Beautiful.
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We got all these millions of dollars, and now we're working on farm animals.
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So that's my personal thing, right?
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So I'd be very happy to help you with any advice on the setting of the nonprofits, because we had 11,000 nonprofits posting their pets on Adopt the Pet.
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And that's what you'll want to do if if you want to start adopting out pets that way.
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There's Pet Finder was one, the for-profit one.
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Now Adopt the Pets also for-profit because it got bought.
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But and then my work, we talked about, we haven't even talked about conspiracies, and we don't have to get into it right now.
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But I'll tell you what, I see it as a conspiracy.
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When I look at how meat is portrayed right now, and about how like people, the big companies make it look like there's a little farmer and the American farmer, and there's raising the chimney.
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And I love the American farmer.
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And I got friends who are, like you said, regenerative, grazing, you know, all that kind of stuff.
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They are getting squeezed by these multinational corporations, like four of them, that basically they're slaves to those companies.
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They don't own their chickens, they don't own the animals, they don't own the genetics, they don't own the feed, but they own all the debt on their machinery and on their houses and stuff.
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And then those big companies, like JB, JBS, and these are international companies, some of them not even owned in the United States, make it out like, oh, you gotta give us all these subsidies and stuff, and then they buy off politicians and they'd get all these subsidies and they do all the stuff and they jack the animals up with antibiotics because they will die on factory farms if they don't have antibiotics.
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Big pharma is involved in that too, because they're making, they sell more money for animal antibiotics than they do for human antibiotics.
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So you've got this whole situation that's set up that's not natural for the animals, it's bad for the animals, it's not good for our health.
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Farmers, the actual farmers, the good old American farmers, they're like net negative on income.
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It's unbelievable what's going on with them.
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So I'd like to see a world where we really do rescue farmers where meat, if people are eating meat, if they hunt it, great, if you can do that, but most people can't do that because they're not living in a place where they can do that, fine.
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But that animals are raised humanely, not in these crazy situations where we've got to pump them full of drugs, where all these kind of lies are going on.
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That's my personal conspiracy thing.
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I'm all with that.
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Yeah.
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I'm all with that.
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Yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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Because I don't think any, you don't have to be a vegetarian or whatever.
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Like all the people, the whole, all the board of my organization, none of them are vegetarians.
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I have nothing to do with that, right?
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I'm not telling people they shouldn't eat meat or whatever.
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I happen to choose not to myself, but that's a different issue.
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Anybody can agree that system's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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No, for sure.
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Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you're doing the cat stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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I should go.
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I gotta run off to a concert.
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We were talking about I invited you, but you couldn't come to Santana and Doobie Brothers.
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Yeah, I got Fedor training camp tonight.
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I can't miss that.
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Yeah.
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Sometime we'll talk.
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I decided years ago that I want to see all my favorite bands before they're dead.
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And they're old and they're dying.
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And you know what?
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I didn't have the money when I was a kid, but I got the money now.
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And so I'll pay for like good seats, and I get up there, maybe it's 10th row or something, and I'll turn around and I can imagine being on the stage because you see what they see, kind of right.
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Yeah, and it's been like the funnest thing in my whole life.
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If I can get that close, sometimes I can't because it's just too expensive.
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Yeah, but I'll tell you, Elton John, I loved him because I was a piano player as a kid.
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I got to have my elbows on the stage.
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He came through San Francisco.
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I was like 20th row, fine, but then they let you walk up.
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And I I'll tell you, he was like from here across the room.
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It was like the most fun I've ever had.
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That's awesome.
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I think I'm a live music.
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It was incredible.
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Tiny dancer when he plays it just on piano.
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Oh my god.
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He crushes that shit.
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It's like effortless.
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He's like, it makes you want to quit music.
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You're like, that guy's too talented.
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What the fuck am I doing?
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Well, you made me want to, you make people want to quit jujitsu, but that's a whole other thing.
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All right, listen.
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Hey, you've been super generous with your time.
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Thank you very much, Dave.
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I love you, man.
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I love you too.
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This was awesome.
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And thanks, yeah, and we'll get on a mat at some point.
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Take care of your body.
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Hell yeah.
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Most important thing.
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See you guys.
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I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Eddie Bravo.
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You'll find links in the show notes to all the things we discussed, including his music, for you to check out.
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Thanks to my team, Robbie, Phil, Kyle, Angela, David, and to Ryan Peach Turner, my producer and chief editor, for your help.
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And thanks also to the show sponsors and supporters.
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And you can see them on our supporters page at AngelessWarrior Lab.com.
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If you liked hearing about the early days of BJJ in the US, you can check out my show with fellow BJJ Dirty Dozen member and the first American Machado Black Belt, Bob Bass, which is episode number 21.
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I'll be back next week with more lessons from the lab.
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And until then, keep developing your strength, your wisdom, and go out and do good in the world.