Quentin Wright: The First Pillar of the Penn State Dynasty

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It's time for stories from the res Lin tales of
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triumph and tradition. Step onto the mat and into the
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moments that shaped wrestling history. It all comes to life
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on Stories from the Result. Here's your host, award winning
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wrestling broadcaster Shane Sparks.
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And once again, welcome to Stories from the Result. It
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is already episode number eight. I am having an absolute
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blast with this podcast and super excited as I always
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am with this podcast for the next guest. He was
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a four time All American, three time National finalist, two
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time National champ, two time Big Ten champion. He is
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the og from the Cal Sanderson head coaching era at
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Penn States. Quintin writes Quincid, it is awesome to see you.
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It's Ben a minute. How are you. I'm doing fantastic,
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looking forward to diving into your wrestling career. But I
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want to know what's going on. You turn thirty seven
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years old June. What is going on in your life?
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You'd married, you have kids? What are you doing for
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war tells what's going on with Quentin?
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So currently, I'm like I said, you just turned thirty
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seven years old. I'm still kicking, but I'm coaching high
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school wrestling at Tyrone Area High School and Pennsylvania just
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twenty minutes down the road from State College. So I'm
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still active in the scene. I actually one of my wrestlers,
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his name's Kyle Scott. He's going to Virginia Tech. Now
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you initially went to pitt but then now he's going
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to Virginia Tech. He's following the Bassetts down there, and
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they're going to be a pretty strong program. So I
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had him as a three time state medalist and he
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just lost the Faith Christians four time state champion the
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finals and we held him to the closest state title
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match in his history. So I'm coaching high school. Then
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I also helped coach a local club up here called
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four M Wrestling, and we were always down to Virginia
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Beach Dual and we go to different deals as well.
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But the goal is really just to give back to
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the community, and so we do that and nine months
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out or ten months out of the year from September
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through May as well, run that twice a week and
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during the day normal hours like right now that we're
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doing this podcast, I do. I work at a local
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social service company, very unique organization company called Sendclear sendclear
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dot org. If you want to look it up, you'll
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see a pretty picture of me in there. We go
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to meet the leaders section, but we do early childhood education,
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which is preschool classrooms, and we also do mental health
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and substance use dis order. Just think of it as
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overall social work. We're here to help people. And in
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my position within organizations, I'm human resources, so I do
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all the fun parts of hiring, firing policies, procedure, you know,
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all the stuff that wrestling teaches you. How to be
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tough and be compassionate and to really give it, give
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it everything you got, and to understand where one thing
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my had worked one situation ain't gonna work in the
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next situation. So that's what I'm currently doing for a job.
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And then I also have a I get the wife
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and two boys. I got a twelve year old he
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just turned thirteen, thirteen year old and a six year old.
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He'll be turning seven years old here in September. So
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I'm just living the dream.
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Really, you just talked about compassion and toughness, and when
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I think about you, Quenton, and again it's been a minute,
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but you were so galled arn tough, so talented, but
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always pretty calm, cool, collected. I never really saw you
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get I mean, you just had really good control over
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your emotions. What was the key to having that balance?
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You know, it's really and I think about that too
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whenever I'm trying to figure out who's gonna do with
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l NCAA is because every year I'm a fan now,
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and I'll tell you what, being a fan is way
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worse than being an athlete. I mean, like the stress,
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my blood pressures up, I'm doing sweats, I'm wrestling in
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the wrestling room. It's it's really funny that you know,
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as a fan, you're completely you have no control, so
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you feel all the emotions and all the pressure. So
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I'm a lot more active now, I would say than
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when I was wrestling. But when I was wrestling, it
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comes down to focus. I was able to really focus
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in on the mission or the goal, what I was doing,
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what I would needed to accomplish when I needed to win.
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And that's how I kind of looked at it, where
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it was just a challenge. That's all I did is
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that this is a challenge. It it's like playing a game.
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As coach kil would say, it's just like playing a
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game out there, and you just there's rules to every game.
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You just got to find a way to win. And
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so you really focus on that challenge and you know,
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sometimes you're able to do it and sometimes you're not.
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But if you go out and you and you try
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different things and you put yourself out there more often
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than not, eventually you're going to learn what works over
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time or what works consistently, and what worked consistently. Every
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year's different. What I did this year isn't going to
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work next year. And that's where like as a fan,
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you see a lot of guys with a degreade this
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year that not next year. You have to adapt and
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you have to adjust because every year is different, and
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just because they were great this few year doesn't mean
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that they're gonna have a great next year. Because your
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opponents they are adjusting to you, and you need to
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adjust to your competition as well.
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When did you learn how to do that? How did
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you learn how to do that? That's a process.
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Yeah, I just I think I've always had that ever
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since I started in wrestling. I think some people were
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really born with it, and I was one of the people.
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It's kind of born with that attitude. That mentality, but
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then it really got honed in whenever. And I've had
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great coaches over the careers. I mean some legendary sports
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and wrestling guys like Ken Cherto when I was little,
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and he brought up like me and Zane Ruthford where
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kind of the biggest names came out of there. There
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was a kid named Nathan Galloways three times stay champ.
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But then you know there's guys that are great in
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high school and then don't do much in college. But
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there's so many, you know, good kids. He taught us
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the dedication, the hard work and going towards your dreams.
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And then you've got I got a named Neil Turner.
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He taught me the faith side of it. And he
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was the local legendary coached at while came in a
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little bit. He coached at guys like Carl Poff, just
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legendary coaches in this area. So you learn a little
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bit from each one of them. And I grew up
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around Penn State University, and I was talking all those
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college guys as well. But when it comes to what
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makes Penn State really so special right now, I think
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coach Kale Casey Cunningham and Cody Sanderson, and then you
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also got like Jake Warner some of the other guy's avalanche.
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But really Casey, Cody, and Kale they have it figured
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out how to They kind of teach that skill to you.
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It's a learned skill, and it's not like you sit
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down in a class and you put it on a
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PowerPoint or a white board or presier. It's not like that.
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It's just something that you have to learn through experience,
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and they kind of every practice they kind of teach
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you that how to be focused, or how to have
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little games within practice, how to get after it, and
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how to take risks. And then you've got in a
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competition and you actually have to do it, and just
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in that ability to take risks and what worked and
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what didn't work, they talk with you through it. So
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I think that it's one some people inherently have it.
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A lot of call it being a gamer. All this
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person's really a gamer. But the other side of it,
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and I think like Penn State has done a good job,
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and now we got David Taylor over Oklahoma State. He's
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going to be able to teach those guys. It's exciting
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that it's just David Taylor has seen what coaches have
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done in the coach Kaylee and co And so I
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think he's going to be able to teach those guys
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how to have that focus and learn how to win.
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And that's and that's what's make wrestling really exciting.
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What was your introduction to the sport?
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So, my introduction in sport was very It was interesting.
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So I grew up on an eighty seven acre farm
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and so every day we go out in the field,
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and we had cows and we had some pigs, and
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the main thing in the summertime we go out there
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and pick rocks. We'd pick rocks physically by hand out
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of the field, throw it onto an old army cart,
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take it to the woods, and then throw it off
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the cart. And we do that for eight nine hours
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a day. We didn't really bail hay or we did
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some of that stuff, but we didn't have the equipment.
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So we go to others places and do that. But
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my big thing was picking rocks. And the only place,
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the only way I could get off that farm was
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school church. And then my brother brought home a form
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and said, hey, Dad, I don't want to wrestle, and
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my Dad's like, listen, I did enough wrestling. He wrestled
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for two years in high school. I did enough wrestling
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for all of us. Says, you don't need to do that. Well,
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my brother, and he's a year and a half older
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than me, and he begged my dad for three weeks
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to go wrestling and I and finally my dad said, okay, Well,
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if you're gonna go wrestling, and we're gonna go until
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you get burned out and you're done, because when you
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don't do anymore, then we're just done. We'll come back
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here and we'll work on the farm. Well, picking rocks
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at at eight fun So my ticket to get off
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that farm, to get out and about in the world
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was go to wrestling practice. And that's kind of like
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it's funny because I looked back going to my first
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wrestling practice, and I think I was about third, second
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or third grade at the time, and I think I
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remember thinking that I was going to be able to
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wrestle like ten guys and I'm just gonna whoop them
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all and just be the man. And I get there
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and quite frankly, I got beat by a girl. There
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was there was a girl girl there that which is
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whooping up on me. And a lot of kids didn't
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want to go with her, but I don't care. I
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was one of the kids that was able to go
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with her, and so she was she was beating me
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up pretty good. But I just kept coming back to
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practice because like my dad said, Hey, we're going to
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go until you want to quit, and so that's kind
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of that's kind of what happened, and we just kept
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coming back and we kept doing it because like with
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me and my brother, this is great. We get to go,
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we get to wrestle with people, and we're getting off
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of the farm from pick having to pick rocks and
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dig holes.
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Do you remember that girl's name?
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No, actually it quite Frankly, I don't know her first name,
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but I ended up so in twenty twelve when I
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lost the NCAA Finals to Steve Bozak, it was his
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older sister because it was at State College Area High
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School where him up going to high school. It was
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actually his older sister is who was there at the
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elementary practice for State College Area at the time, and
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that's who it was. But I forget her first name,
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but yeah, it was Bozak.
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You would have phenomenal high school career at bald Eagle.
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One thing that is so fun is to look at
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Pennsylvania state championships because it's amazing the talent that comes
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out of that state and some of the you know,
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state finals matchups. So you were a three time finalist,
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two time champion. Who did you wrestle in those finals?
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Oh? My uh Joey. So my senior year was two
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thousand and eight, it was Joey Lofredo. I wrestled in him,
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and then I think my well, yeah, so two time
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state champ in high school. My senior year Joey Lofredo
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when I rebeat him, and my junior year, so I'm
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going backwards. Junior year it was kidnamed Matt Ryan. He
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ended up wrestling for West Virginia I believe, Yeah, Matt
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Ryan was his name. And then my sophomore year, I
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made it to the state finals and his kid named
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Tim Darling who ended up being a three time state
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champ for Nazareth University or University Nazard High School in Pennsylvania.
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So pretty three solid wrestlers. But I'd say Joey Lfredo
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of my senior year, that was a fun match just
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because when he's from Jersey Shore and we did a
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dual meat and my senior year, I was on a
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wind streak, have it lost in a long time, and
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I'm thinking they're not going to wrestle with their best
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guy against me, just because the people have been running
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from me all year. And we were in adul meat
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into high school and he actually wrestled me to a
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three to two match. It was it was a tough,
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hard five. I mean everything I could, nothing was working
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during that match. And it was a guy on the radio.
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He's like, oh, oh, he might lose at Quon, right,
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he might lose this match. So then by the time
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I hit him in the state finals. When I wrestled
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him again in the state finals, I kind of knew
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I was ready for it. And then I switched things
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up and I was able to I was able to
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end up getting a pen. So I ended my college
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career with a pen in the state finals. But more
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important than that, I will say, I gotta throw this
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out here. We're talking about high school the nam ed Ruth.
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Yes, and it'll be my team.
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The only reason he's not a pennsylvani State champions because
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I had to wrestle him my junior and senior year
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in the semi finals of the PIA State Tournament because
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they didn't do the seating. They won't do the seating,
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and so me and ed Ruth we ended up uh
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and he was a sophomore and junior of the years
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and then he and Blair Academy his senior year and
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I was like, Oh, thank god he's coming to Penn
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State when he decided to come to Penn State, because
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he's one of those guys that you never wanted to
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wrestle use he's just on like you can't predict him. Yeah,
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you can't predict him. But yeah, so I'd say other
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than being a a two time state champion, three time finals,
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Like I tell people that I beat ed Ruth twice
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in the semifinals of the state tournament, and the first
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time I had a good game plan. I was able
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to catch him on his back. He went for his
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famous cradle and I was able to I kind of
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knew he was gonna do it. I pulled out my
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hand and I kind of caught him on his back.
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Ended up winning the match seven to five. In the
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second time, I realized that this kid has a ed Ruth,
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he has an and he was from Susquehanna Valley. I said,
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she is an unbelievable gas tank. He just turns it
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on at the end. So I said, my game plan
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was to go out there and score as many points
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as I could that first period. I mean, I went
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over the edge knowing that I kuldn't stop him in
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a second or third. I just need I needed to
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run out of time. So when J and Edward, he
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was a junior and I was a senior in the
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state semifinal. So I think I went out there and
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I was up. I may have been eight or nine,
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eight or ten points. I think it was up like
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ten to nothing at the end of the first period,
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and it ended up winning the match like twelve eleven
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or like ten to nine, because he just came storm
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back and I just couldn't I couldn't stop it because
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he was just too slick after that first period.
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That is great stuff. You go to Penn State Troy
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centraland as the head coach at that time, he recruits you.
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Was it always Penn State? Did you go on recruiting visits?
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If it wasn't Penn State, where would it have been?
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Talk about your recruiting process.
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Well, truly, the recruiting process was kind of interesting. Have
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the social media. We didn't have the tech as much
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of you know, filming as we do now. So like
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you can remember, back in two thousand and five through
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two thousand and eight, you know, Facebook was just now
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starting to take off, but people weren't using it like
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they are now, posting matches, you know, which. File sharing
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wasn't as big bang. We had CDs that you'd have
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to mail out, and so I think I got a
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questionnaire cale Sanderson and the coaches. I always say they
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sent me a questionnaire to fill out type of thing,
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and they were aware of me. But really the big
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coaches was Rob Cole at Cornell he was recruiting me hard,
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and Mark Manning at Nebraska he was recruiting me hard too,
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And I really like, I really I love I loved
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Manning as well. He was a great guy, great coach.
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So if it wasn't Penn se I probably I don't
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know it was between Cornell and Nebraska, but then I
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was also looking at it's at North Carolina. I think
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Mack was a coach at the time. He was he
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was talking to me a little bit at that time,
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but I would say, really between and a little bit.
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Lee I was in there too, but I would say
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Cornell and Nebraska were kind of the two outside of
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Penn State. But the coach is choice Sunderland. At the
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time the coaches at Penn State. I grew up going
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to Penn State Wrestling and the Nittneylon Wrestling Club. Whenever
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they had a Penn State, guy's run it. And I
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just knew the passion of the fans in the area.
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Being a local kid, I knew how passionate they were,
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and I knew the alumni had the backing of they
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really wanted to do something special. Also, whenever the alumni
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they invested, you know, multimillion dollars to create the wrestling
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the Lorenzo Wrestling Complex at the time, so they think
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they did that and finished it in like two thousand
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and five or six whenever they rebuilt that. So I
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knew the alumni they they said, we're going to give
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you the facilities. But then the rumor we on the
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street was you got to produce the results. So he
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had so much. I think coach Sunderland, he was there
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for about ten years, but he had ten years to
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really being like to talk three twice or like win
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the national tite something like that. So he was kind
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of at the tail end of that. And I said
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to my and I said to myself, from like I know,
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oh well, actually, Noah was a big thing too, was
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Phil Davis. Phil Davis was a kid from Harrisburg and
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he had just won the national title and I believe
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in two thousand and seven. And I said to myself that,
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I said, if Phil Daves can win the national title
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at Penn State with the current coaching staffs, is you know,
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so can I? And my goal is just to be
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a national champ. And he that was and real, truly
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that's inspiring. When you be up to somebody that is
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successful at our programmed that you know doesn't have the
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best coaches or doesn't have the best it's really inspiring.
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That kind of sold me that I'm and knowing everything
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around with the alumni putting the money into program, I'm like, well,
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if I go there, I'll probably have this coach for
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one or two years, then they're going to bring in
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somebody really good. So I kind of going into it
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thinking that I'll probably have a coaching change and there
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probably gonna bring in somebody really good. That's going to
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take me to that next level. And I didn't wasn't expecting.
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After my first year on campus wrestled now it became
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an All American under Troy Sunderland with him, and like
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I said, he could coach. Great guy, but there's just
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a just different level of technique and training when you
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get to those league coaches, there's it's it's a different
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type of training, how they do it, when they do it,
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how they teach moves, how they want you to learn moves.
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It's it's just a slightly different level. And that slight
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difference is the difference between being good and being great.
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And that's just that's what the difference was is whenever
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they they'd let Choice Sunderland go. And I looked out
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at the time too because I had Mark Perry Uh.
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He was coaching. He coached for one year with the
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choice on that they brought me in and Mark Perry
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kind of took me under his wingings and he really
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helped me become an All American that first year. I'll
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never forget he says, his Mark Perry's uh. And he
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wrestled at Iowa. He was too TI national champion at
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Iowa and truly he was. It was pretty inspiring too,
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because he was never like in he was injury prone,
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he was never perfect, but he found a way when
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that's the main thing, just you find a way to win.
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And when something Mark Perry would say, he says, Quinn,
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you got to give him a reason to quit. Give
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him that reason so they can give up. Everybody wants
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to give up at this time of the year, and
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you be that reason. Give him that reason. And that
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always stuck with me is that when you're at the
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end of the season at that time, you know, some
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people just want to, oh, crap, he got the takedown
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and then oh, you know, they lose the match. You
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give him a reason to lose the match. And so
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that was pretty expiring. And then after that season, we
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had rumors and stuff coming around town and then finally
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was kind of like three days before it was announced
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that we heard that Cal Sanderson was on campus and
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it was just, you know, it changed the whole game.
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He was interested and he brought us guys, and then
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I met coach Kle when he came on campus and
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I just really hit it off from there. It was
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and having coach Kel, like you said, it's just then
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one of the greatest wrestlers in the sport. And it's
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pretty inspiring whenever somebody like that takes up the program. Now,
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did I think kel Sanderson was going to take over
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the program when I came to Penn Sate. No, I mean,
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I didn't think they would get that level guy, But
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I would just I'd say, really unbelievably lucky to be
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in that position to be a part of that, uh
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and learn and and learn from that. And also I
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gotta give credit to Penn State and Penstley was going
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through a lot well before Coach Kale came. We had
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the president of university and our athletic Dirick at the time.
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They really were listening to the alumni and they're really
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willing to invest. So they did they they did what
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it took to get Coach Kale and his his team
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here at Penn State University. You know, they did their jobs,
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and without them, we probably wouldn't have coach Coach Kale.
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The passion of the alumni. You got to give a
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lot of credit to the alumni of the program who
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really invested and told the university we were that this
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wrestling program that's important to us and then also the
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community too. The community really showed up and stepped up.
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Back before kale uh and and coaches came, there was
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twenty twenty five hundred people showing up to matches. These
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are dedicated people, and you know, these are the same
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two thousand and three that have tickets today. They and
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everybody else is on a wait list. So we have
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such a passionate fan base that showed up and they
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were always here passion But we used to be able
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to walk into the Dole meats button. No, not now,
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like I got to make special phone calls just to
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get tickets because or know somebody who'd know somebody. But
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even to the people in this area, like the families
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that are candying it down and constantly get every years,
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it's been so much fun to watch that.
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When did you realize, Quentin that coach Sanderson was different?
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Oh, first week, because I think, like I tell people
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and that he's just he's addicted to wrestling. So remember
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whenever he came on campus, I think he was like
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thirty two or thirty, thirty or thirty two at the time.
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He might have been either thirty, he might have been thirty,
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as young as thirty and we go into wrestling room
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and this dude would wrestle live NonStop for an hour.
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I wanted to quit after ten minutes. And so actually
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that's kind of what happened at first. Summary came come in.
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We do practice twice a week to Monday, Tuesday, WEDNESDA
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on Thursday Friday, we dose practices and Coach K will
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be like, all right, hey, let's go together, and we
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would We would literally wrestle for thirty minutes non stop.
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Now the difference is Coach K would hold me out
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my back for ten fifteen minutes at a time. We
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will let me off this. He'd hold you down on
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your back and he just hold you there and he
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would make you fight off your back. And the one
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thing I remember hate he told my dad one time.
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He told my dad, Hey, that kid's gonna be a
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national champ. And I was like, why, It's like a
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kid don't give up. And that's what Coach K was testing.
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When will this person quit? When will I give up?
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When will he stop trying? When will he break? And
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that was just and that's what I realized was that
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he was he really is testing people out to see
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are one are they coachable? And two will they never
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give up. He's like and I think Casey one time
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told me that. He says, like, listen, we can uh,
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we can teach people technique, but we can't nessa keep
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that killer instinct. You got to already have that. You
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gotta have that before you come here, because it's very
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few people who can learn that, the killer instinct, that
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go after it, that never give up. It says it's
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it and it's why Coach Kille and then they all
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constantly preach it gratitude and it's your choice. You choose
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to keep going. You know, it's not a feeling, it's
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you have choose to keep going, to never give up.
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You choose to keep trying. You choose to do this,
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and it kind of sticks with you. But that's when
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I realized he was different. Was that this he would
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just wrestle for an hour, NonStop, Like when everybody else
480
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.119
was ready, they leave the room, go get a shower,
481
00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:37.000
come back. He's still wrestling with one of the guys
482
00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.720
in the room. Just and then and then he wrestled
483
00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.279
Coach Casey. Now it's always great. You could ask any
484
00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.000
of the Penn State guys, I mean, just those two.
485
00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.519
They would they go, they'll wrestle for five minutes and
486
00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.759
then argue for ten minutes about who got the takedown,
487
00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:52.039
whether it was the takedown or not. It's just it
488
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.519
was just great calmaradity. Just to watch that and your
489
00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:57.240
coach is being like that and never giving up, and
490
00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.960
just the competitive attitude and it was always within fun,
491
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.200
never with malice. Uh, it was. That's that's when I
492
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.640
really too that. That's when I knew that this guy
493
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:07.680
was different. You know, there's something different about him. And
494
00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.359
even the coaching status is too. I tell people that
495
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.279
what makes call special. I'm like, it's Caale and co
496
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.759
because you got Kyle Samerson, Casey Cunningham, and Cody Sanderson.
497
00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:18.599
And it takes all three of them. They all have
498
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.559
their own little niche, but you put them together, uh,
499
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.880
and it makes it makes such a powerhouse.
500
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.680
What about coach Cunningham and coach Casey impressed emails during
501
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.759
your time at Penn State.
502
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.359
All right, so coach Cunningham and coach Cody. So Cody
503
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.799
is the more of the outgoing guy. Cody Sanderson he was.
504
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:43.119
He's more of the outgoing. He bumped around with you,
505
00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.359
he's good to talk with you and he is very
506
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.160
good at getting off the bottom. I would say Cody
507
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.119
Sanderson was. He was awesome. He was awesome at getting
508
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.079
off a bottom, and he would really teach us that.
509
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.039
And he's just he's a little guy. So here's that.
510
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.519
I call it the little guy attitude, where listen, nobody's
511
00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.279
too big for me to beat up. And he would
512
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:03.039
just coming in and he would challenge everybody and he'd
513
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.519
mess around with everybody. And then uh, coach Casey, Uh
514
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.000
cunning or yeah, Casey Cunningham Man. That dude's just he's
515
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.440
just tough as nails. Like I think in my six
516
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.799
years seven years that I was around the program because
517
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:18.640
I did the five years of college and I did
518
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.920
two years with the nl WC, and I think I
519
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.920
might have I don't know if I ever scored on him.
520
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:27.079
I don't think I've ever scored on him. I've gotten close.
521
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:29.920
But that I say, that dude's stingy. He would never
522
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.400
let you score on him. What I mean, like to
523
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:34.960
score on him, you really you really had to earn it.
524
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.279
And so with Casey it was just a toughness. And
525
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:42.720
then his area was really strength training. He understood strength
526
00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.039
and training, you know, being his wife's a LUMPU champion
527
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.319
and weight lefting. You know, he knew the strength training
528
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.400
and then he's also really good on top. So he
529
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:55.359
really made the difference on top wrestling as well for us,
530
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.200
and I believe it. I believe too. The other thing too,
531
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.640
I keep forgetting on him, but Matt Darnland was my
532
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.880
coach when I first got there. I think he stuck
533
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:05.960
around for a year as well under the new coaches,
534
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.440
and then Troy Letters he was around as well Troy
535
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.440
Letters and he was a I think two times or
536
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.240
he was the national champ for le High. Troy Letters
537
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:17.200
was and he was really good on bottom. So they
538
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.480
kind of transferred some of their stuff to Coach Kale
539
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.000
and casing them. So we really had such a good
540
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.279
rounding of wrestling technique, Here's how you wrestle, here's what
541
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:30.799
you want to do, and really supplement our own wrestling styles.
542
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:39.200
What's the most impactful conversation you recall with Coach Kale? Oh?
543
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.359
I mean, there's just so many of them. He was,
544
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.039
he's It's funny because people don't understand or they don't
545
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.240
see him. He's very stoic when he's out in the community.
546
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.599
But if you ask the guys in the room, coach
547
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.920
Kele's just he's kind of like a big goofball. He's
548
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:56.400
always joking around. He's playing some sort of game like
549
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.799
with wrestling. He'll tell you the take down he's going
550
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:00.720
to get, then he gets a take down, or he'll
551
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.519
let you get ninety percent of a takedown. They snatches
552
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.400
it away from you, just messing with you, holding you
553
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.519
down for fifteen and all the coaches do that. But
554
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:12.640
the most impactful conversation. And he always does like inspiring
555
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.319
speech before practice and tells different stories and they always
556
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.160
would stick with you. But I remember the one situation
557
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:23.200
where I was my senior year twenty thirteen and I'm
558
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:27.839
wrestling the NCAA tournament and I'm sitting before I believe
559
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.880
it was before the finals, my finals match, and I
560
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.160
just in the semifinals. I wrestled with kid Matt will Help.
561
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.119
It's just a stud from Pittsburgh, and it went into
562
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.480
like triple overtime and I beat him on three seconds
563
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:43.279
of rioting time. And the match before that at was
564
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.640
like a three zero match. The match before that was
565
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:49.119
it I think it was four zero or five zero.
566
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.480
Whenever I had just pounded the guy three weeks before
567
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.039
on our last duel minute and I said to coach Kill,
568
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.480
I'm like, I'm sitting there like, and he's like, hey,
569
00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:59.759
what's up. And I'm like, you know, I'm just like,
570
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.160
I don't understand what's wrong with me. There's something wrong
571
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.119
with me. He goes, there's there's something wrong with me
572
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.720
here because I'm not I just can't beat these guys
573
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.839
like like I want to, Like, it's just nothing's working.
574
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.000
He says, let me sit there for a clipt He goes,
575
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:17.160
I'm not worried, Like you're not worried, and he goes, nah,
576
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.480
you'll figure it out. That's all it took. And that's
577
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.960
all it took. And then once he said you'll figure
578
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.480
it out, it's kind of like it was just a
579
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.720
little thing, but it gave me the confidence that's like, yeah,
580
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.119
you're right, well I'll figure it out, you know, and
581
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.000
it sometimes it's okay. It's it's okay to win these
582
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.960
close matches because that's all the guy's given to you.
583
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.640
And I was just you know, it was just like
584
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.359
a little little conversations like that where you know, he
585
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.759
really helps, he believe in yourself, gives you the ability
586
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.079
to believe in yourself and just ask little little comments
587
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.599
like that really make a big difference.
588
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:51.119
Is there a story before practice that stands out? Oh?
589
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.160
Yeah, I mean the biggest one he talks about. Uh
590
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.240
was it this? He changes the characters on it, but
591
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.799
either the snake or the cobra, where there was like
592
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.079
a chicken or whatever animal that needs to get across
593
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.160
the river, and snake says, I'll go ahead and take
594
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:09.920
you or the cobra or it was a.
595
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.400
What's that called a scorpion, right, scorpion?
596
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.079
Scorpion at it is scorpion. Oh yeah, I'll take you
597
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:20.200
across the I'll take you across the river. And then
598
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.079
and then finally the animal jumps on the back and
599
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.480
half across the river. And then a scorpion or the
600
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.559
snake ends up biting the animal and this and the
601
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.599
pig or the chicken and says, what did you do that?
602
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.599
For now we're both gonna die. And he goes, oh,
603
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.480
because I'm a scorpion, That's what I do it. Just
604
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.880
I mean stories like that, because and the way he
605
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.720
translated that for us was and let him to bo
606
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.240
Nickel whenever he won the national title he's coming off
607
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.200
the mat and he says, how did you win that match?
608
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.680
And Boennicle's like, that's what we do because coach Gail
609
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.839
is he grans it in your brain. But you know
610
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.160
you're here, you win big matches and that's who you are.
611
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.400
That's what you do. That's and it just that constant
612
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:06.440
reminding us to do that. It's ah, you know, always
613
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.880
talk about those stories and then I remember one time
614
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.359
you other stuff that works. But like we had a
615
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.960
lot of crap going on campus with twenty eleven. We
616
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.599
had the whole the Sandusky Penn State scandal thing coming
617
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.359
in and like what we did is we watched uh,
618
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.839
the Lion King, the first thirty minutes of the Lion King,
619
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.720
and we'd shoot bubble gum. Just something different.
620
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:28.440
It was.
621
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:30.880
It was just something different to relax and just and
622
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:32.640
then we had practice and we beat each other up,
623
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.960
but it was just it was just something different. We
624
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.359
do things different, different things too, Like we'd he'd have
625
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.079
his like tap on our shoulders like this opening up
626
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:46.119
your fascia ways or just uh some of that deep
627
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.759
science stuff where you know, your energy field type thing.
628
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.359
So and it's just like it's weird. But whatever, it's cool,
629
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:55.200
it's not it's not bad.
630
00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:01.200
What do you think Quentin is the most underappreciated thing
631
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.039
with Cale Sanderson.
632
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:11.720
Oh, I don't. I don't know he was actually here.
633
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.359
I know, Zach. What is how unbelievably good he is?
634
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.880
I think people because he kind of he stopped and like,
635
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:20.640
we don't have like the money that we have now
636
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.880
within the sport of wrestling, which I think it's a
637
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.640
great thing overall. You know, it's it's a great thing. People.
638
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.000
The careers are going much longer. But I remember being
639
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.839
whenever and you can ask him, like Kyle Snyder when
640
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.920
after he won the Olympics, and you got Jake Warrener
641
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:39.920
twenty twelve, he won the Olympics, and you know Kyle
642
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.400
Sleondard came on in twenty fifteen. But I bet you
643
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.279
right now that if you did a match like kill
644
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.279
would still beat everybody. But no one, no one can
645
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.599
beat him. He's he has been so good for so
646
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.799
long that if he chose to, he probably could be
647
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.880
a world champ every single year. Like twenty eleven when
648
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:58.839
he went to the World he ended up taken fifth
649
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.640
just because he did it freestyle, pulled down the rest
650
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.799
score didn't score it, or they scored it a certain
651
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.160
weight like at the World Championship, like and he was
652
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:09.960
about ten pounds lower than they need to be. But
653
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.000
you let Kal Russell at his weight two hundred pounds
654
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.599
like a solid good weight, like there's nobody to I
655
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.880
don't think there'snybody who beats him. Like he was so
656
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.640
good through that whole time, Like people would come in
657
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.000
the room and they'd try to wrestle him and nobody.
658
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.559
There's absolutely no play that can beat him. I would
659
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.000
even claim now still him being forty seven years old,
660
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.359
I don't think anybody on the circuit right now could
661
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.640
beat him. If coach Cal goes out there and wrestles,
662
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.559
and it's just because the way he wrestles is it's
663
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.440
not something that he can teach it to you or
664
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.359
he can show it. You can see it on film,
665
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.400
but until you actually feel it multiple times and to
666
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.799
understand where the pressures are, how he's doing and then
667
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:53.559
he'll point it out too. Well, I'm you think I'm
668
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.759
just doing this with your hands or with your shoulders,
669
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.559
but really I'm putting the weight on your foot. So
670
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.160
when I go ranko pick, you can't move it this
671
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.000
little tiny things that make such a big difference when
672
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.240
it comes to wrestling. That his technique and how he wrestles.
673
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.079
And plus he's gifted too, like he has an unbelievably
674
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.720
strong core. That was the one thing about Coach Kle
675
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.519
like his his core. And I don't know why, but
676
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.200
I think it's just genetics because he doesn't do much
677
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.839
lifted way to anything, but his core is so unbelievably strong.
678
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.200
Where he gets in these weird positions and he wins
679
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:24.839
just because he could just do like a V up
680
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.400
with his stomach and he can you know, he can
681
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.079
get out of these positions. But that's really what it is.
682
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.640
I think that's the most unappreciated thing was Odds. The
683
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:34.880
first thing is how good he really was, and he
684
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.799
never really gave a chance to kind of show it either.
685
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.680
But the second thing too, I would say, what, I
686
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.960
don't know if it's unappreciated by that dude is super
687
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.680
it's super humble. I would say, where he's not. You know,
688
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.839
he doesn't live cocky, he doesn't live extravagantly. He's pretty,
689
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.240
he is he's he's really humble. I would say, uh,
690
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.680
and his stuff and just something as simple as you know,
691
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.559
coach Kale would never turn his signature away every time
692
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.039
that wants to be stink you ruman. He would sit
693
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:03.880
there for an hour an hour and a half of
694
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.440
signing signatures. Once you get him, you know, he might
695
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.799
try to avoid it beforehand, but once you capture him,
696
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.519
he's their son and he won't turn anybody away. And
697
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.839
just that that humbleness and teaching it to us as
698
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.599
really good athletes, I think it's something that we got
699
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.160
to continue forward, and even the guys that have money now,
700
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.720
the All Stars, the NIL deals like, listen, even if
701
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.720
we get that, you've got to understand that that we
702
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:27.519
still need to be humble and we've got to be
703
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.640
gracious with the fans. And that's the way Coach Cal's
704
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.279
really showed it to us on the team, and hopefully
705
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.200
our guys continue to see that and continue to do that.
706
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.680
To understand that you're in such a great position, but
707
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.519
continue to be humble in your approach to dealing with
708
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.079
the fans and dealing with the sport. Got to understand
709
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.920
people are always gonna not like you. They never everyone
710
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.000
wants to see the winners fall. And I said that
711
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:51.400
to a kid one time, and I'm like, listen, they're
712
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.680
not booming against you. People aren't booning against because they
713
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.640
dislike you. They're booing against you because they just want
714
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.200
to see the win and lose. And it's okay, it's
715
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.359
just that human nature. But you'll you'll be good next week.
716
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.160
Said that to him. I don't know if you got that,
717
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:06.119
but at least I said it.
718
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:10.280
So you had a great career. You found a way
719
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.920
to win big time matches, true freshmen. You're an eleven seed,
720
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.320
you take sixth place as an All American, then you
721
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.159
red shirt in twenty ten. In two thousand eleven, Quintin,
722
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:23.840
I don't know if I've ever told you this story.
723
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.880
I don't make predictions because what do I know. I
724
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.840
have no idea what the circumstances of the day are
725
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.440
for both guys. How do they feel, how is the
726
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.440
weight cut, have they slept well, what are their relationships like?
727
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.920
There's so many different factors that go into the circumstances
728
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.519
of the day, But I will tell you this. Two
729
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.639
thousand eleven, I was at the Big Ten Championships doing
730
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:56.159
a broadcast for UW Badgers dot Com for Wisconsin Badger fans.
731
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:00.239
And I remember being on the bus heading down in
732
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.800
Northwestern and we learn Travis Rutt was the one seed
733
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.440
and you were the eighth seed. And I remember thinking
734
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.599
to myself, this is not good for Travis Rutt, like Quinton,
735
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.320
right is the eighth seed. That is not what you want.
736
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.159
And if I remember right, Quinn, I could be wrong
737
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.360
on this. If I remember right, he did not have
738
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.880
you had a match before you wrestle them, and he didn't,
739
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.800
and I thought I didn't like that either. From a badger's.
740
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.239
Stand, I don't.
741
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.280
I mean, I want to wrestle out of the gate.
742
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.039
I want to have a match. That's just me.
743
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.480
I would imagine that would be the.
744
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.599
But you find a way to get it done. And
745
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.960
then you go to win your first Big Ten title.
746
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.480
Then you go to Philadelphia, you are the nine seed.
747
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.840
You beats I had it written down here. You beat
748
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.000
christ the number one seed of Edinburgh in the in
749
00:35:58.039 --> 00:35:59.000
the quarters.
750
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.400
Yeah, so it went that for that, for that that run,
751
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.519
I was said Jonathan Fozzy, who was a one or
752
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.880
two time Pennsylvania state championt of Virginia stud Then I
753
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.119
had Kevin Steinhaus from scott Minnesota. I just I just
754
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.320
barely beat him in the finals of the Big Tens.
755
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.800
Then I had Chris Honeycutt right there in the quarters,
756
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.239
and then a semes whoever now I was thinking it
757
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.119
ended up beating Grant Gambrell who had beat me almost
758
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.599
majored mate in the dol mate and then whoever showed
759
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:28.519
up in the finals, which ended up being.
760
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.159
Handling on you And he had beatn you earlier that
761
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.320
year in a duel meet correct Hamlin, Yeah, yeah.
762
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.920
He beat me earlier and dueled me. So every single
763
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:36.440
one of those guys had beaten me earlier in a
764
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.599
year except for Fozzy, and he was the only one
765
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.719
who had it well. Or honeycut too, but he was
766
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.760
a number one seat because I didn't wrestle him. But
767
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.599
Steinhoss had beaten me and I barely beat him, and
768
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.360
Gambrell just he made me look bad into the in
769
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.880
a dual meat home dol meat. Uh so, who's a
770
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.239
little bit of a redemption door. But I remember I
771
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:56.960
was looking at so going into that season, and a
772
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.039
lot of people don't realize that what happened was I
773
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.960
a bust in my shoulder that year. That was the
774
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.000
big story. I busted my shoulder earlier in December, and
775
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:06.360
I don't know if you can see it here, but
776
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:11.079
like it stead'll busted to that that. Oh yeah, I
777
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.360
mean that's for life right there, cout one horn. I
778
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.079
give the people a little jab, but uh yeah, And
779
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:18.679
so I bust from my AC joint. All three legiments
780
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.039
pretty much busted. And at the time they sent me
781
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.480
on talent home like I will see you Monday. It's like,
782
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.039
oh my god, worst paining you do you ever have an AC joints?
783
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.280
So I did that in December. But coach Kle he
784
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.880
needs me back in the lineup. But we got to
785
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.760
get me back line. But I think I come back late,
786
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:35.119
uh six weeks later, and I think I had a
787
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:36.960
match and I think I barely won, but then I
788
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.679
had to Wreussell. I won up losing that and I
789
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.199
kind of started like but anyway, on that year, going
790
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.480
into the Big ten tournament, I was twelve and six.
791
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.199
I was twelve and six going season and my last
792
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.480
three matches were dol Mat. It's Big ten. Pond's just
793
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.679
crazy tough. And actually my last point was Travis Rutt.
794
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.000
It was in our home doul Meat. It was the
795
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.639
dol Mate at home and he pinned me. So I
796
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.119
had three losses going in Travis Rutt. He pinned. I
797
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:01.440
think he stacked me on my shoulders and and the
798
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.239
door mat and yeah, so he pinned me. So I
799
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.000
get him first round, big tent thing. I'm my god,
800
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.000
I get the number one guy.
801
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:07.840
Uh.
802
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.840
But really I just had such a trend and that
803
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.159
was such a special year. I'd call it that I
804
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.960
won the national title with one arm, only to be
805
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.800
out done by the guy who won it with one
806
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:23.400
leg that year, Anthony road Bike Anthony. Yeah, he had
807
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.400
a true issue, but like mine, like I still kind
808
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.119
of had my arm. And it was a big thing
809
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.559
where I learned that you don't have to be perfect
810
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:31.639
when you're growing up. They said, oh, you gotta have
811
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:33.360
the perfect nutrition, you got a perfect sleep, you have
812
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.320
perfect this and Uh. One thing that stuck with me
813
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.079
back in the day, I had an applies into the
814
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.360
eleven was a special year. He ended up beating my teammate. Uh.
815
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.480
It was in a Buba Jenkins. He won the national
816
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.960
title that year too. But Bubba Jenkins was at Penn
817
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.599
State before U before he had going to Arizona, and
818
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.880
and I was on a team with Troy Sunderland and
819
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.599
Bubba Jenkins would say we'd go on the street. I
820
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.519
remember one that he goes, Quinn, you got Penchtate wrestling shirt,
821
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.320
you got Pencate wrestling short Pence wrestling shoes. Man, you
822
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.880
can't do nothing wrong tonight, he said, pick you out.
823
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.239
But one thing he would say was do you do
824
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.599
you want him up for a street fight? No, He's
825
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.280
like okay. And that was another thing that Baba Jenkins,
826
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.239
he is stuck with me. Just a quote like that
827
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.320
that you know, you just gotta go out there and perform.
828
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.119
So you got somebody like Bubba, Hey, you know some
829
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.400
of the people you will get background story. I would said,
830
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.159
maybe not the most perfect when it comes to wrestling
831
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.320
training individual. You know, he did a lot of things
832
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.320
extracurricular activities and stuff, and and he ended up blaing
833
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.119
the national title. But I realized that year that you
834
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.000
don't have to be perfect, you just gotta win. He's
835
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.199
gotta find a figure out a way to win. Who
836
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.280
wins the match, the guy that has a point ahead
837
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.519
at the end of the match, that's all matters. And
838
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.760
that's what kind of started that season. After I busted
839
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.760
my shoulder I did a lot of self reflecting, and
840
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.599
I was and I'm in a Christian I believe Jesus
841
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.599
Christ is my Lord and savior. And I was reflecting
842
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.639
and I asked, God, my God, like I'm losing this
843
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.320
match during a duel, Met just lost three in a
844
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.480
row or before that. I'm like, I'm not doing very good.
845
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.360
And he says, well, what are you trying to do
846
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.000
well at the time? Coach Kill centers in your coach?
847
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:10.719
How do you want to win? You'd be just like coach.
848
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:12.719
So I try to do ankle picks. I'm doing everything.
849
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.360
I'm trying to be like many Kills and Anderson, and
850
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.000
I was just miserable. I hated wrestling, I hated practice
851
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.480
and conversation with Gotty and I said, what's wrong with me?
852
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.440
He says, I didn't create you to be killed. I
853
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.480
created you to be you? And so what do you
854
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:29.920
And I'm like, what's that mean? He's like, what do
855
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.280
you like to do? I said, I like to pick
856
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.280
people up, throw them and slam him headbox and by arches,
857
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.519
and he's like, okay, go do that. So I love
858
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.960
blast double legs and throwing people. And so when I
859
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.840
focused on my blast, double leg and underhook and throwing
860
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.360
people and doing that. Just I started enjoining practice and
861
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.199
I started scoring points. And then if you notice throughout
862
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.079
that that run I had from the Big Ten and
863
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.719
actually the other thing to it, that's when I learned that, well,
864
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.599
how do you win? It's just it's a game at
865
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.199
one point the head. So every match I made it
866
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.199
a point in practice at one nobody could take me
867
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.079
down and I get to get off bottom. If nobody
868
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.360
can take me down and I get off the bottom,
869
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.320
I'll figure out how to get a takedown. I'll figure
870
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.000
out how to get one takedown. I'm gonna win every
871
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:13.800
single match three two. I don't care I get one takedown.
872
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.599
They can at the time it is two point takedown,
873
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.599
they gonna escape. And then if I can get off
874
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.199
a bottom, I let them off the bottom and they
875
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.119
can't take me down. I'm winning every single match three
876
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.559
to two. And that's kind of that was my goal,
877
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.400
just win every match three two. And then when it
878
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.559
came to like wresselled Travis Rutt that second round of
879
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.199
Big Tens, like I barely I honestly I did barely
880
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.079
win that match because he was taking me down initially,
881
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.960
and I hit a switch, which depending on the rules
882
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.079
of the years. One years it might be a takedown
883
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.400
now other years it's not reaction time things like that,
884
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:43.360
but the time is no takedown. I hit it fast
885
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.599
enough that you know, they didn't give them no takedown,
886
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.599
and I was able to get a takedown off of it.
887
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.880
You know, just so many little things like that happened,
888
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.880
and I tried to get my underhook. I try to
889
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.760
throw people. I tried my blast double ake, and I
890
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.639
try to win every match three to two, that whole
891
00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:01.960
that whole way through. Oh, I wrestled the Gumby from Illinois. Gosh,
892
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.639
I forget his name now, but he was just the Delgo,
893
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.239
the logo, Uh, the Lago, Yeah, yep, yeah, the Lago.
894
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.039
He was just Oh my god, that was That was
895
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.440
another reason I lost too, Like sometimes pride kills you,
896
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.679
and so I wrestled the logo and in the semi
897
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.599
is a big tens and I was actually looking forward
898
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.159
to that because when we were in the duel meet,
899
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.280
I took him down like four or five times. I'd
900
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.320
just crushed him on his feet, and four or five
901
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.280
times he reversed me and it got out the reversal
902
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.400
on me. So where I think I was one point
903
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:36.000
Oh yeah, I was. I was one point ahead. There
904
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.000
was thirty seconds left, then o'clock in the dual meet
905
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.920
in reck Call. This was one of my three losses
906
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.599
in that twenty eleven season. And in this kid, he's
907
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.119
younger than me. I'm thinking he's a young pup. I
908
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:46.400
should be able to beat him up. And you know,
909
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:47.920
I'm starting to figure things out a little bit with
910
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:49.880
my hurt shoulder and everything. Well, and that the last
911
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.960
thirty gift second, I said, you know what, I'm the Maya.
912
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.400
I'm gonna hold this guy down. Mind he'd reversed me
913
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.800
four times already, uh in the match, and so I
914
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.719
held now and for twenty nine seconds, and he reversed
915
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.400
me with one second left. He wins match by a point.
916
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.159
And it was at that moment that I realized, you
917
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:11.800
gotta admit somebody's better than you. Don't wrestle them in
918
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.119
that position. Wrestle sometimes people are just bettering you in
919
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.719
that position, so don't try to force it. And I
920
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.880
learned that less than that match, and so I ended
921
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.079
wrestling seventy Finals Big Tens. I'd beat him pretty good,
922
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.840
like eleven nine to seven. Yeah, I kind of stayed
923
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.119
away from the top wrestling, but and then I wrestled
924
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.840
Kevin Steinhaus, who so I had a teammate Frank Maul
925
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.000
and arrow that at twenty eleven. He ended up getting
926
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.800
held down by Kyle Bake for like six minutes and
927
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.840
like ten seconds. He said, don't worry, buddy, Kevin Steinhaus
928
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.960
from Minnesota, that this freak if you if you go
929
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.599
back and look records, he held me down for six
930
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.280
in the seven minute match. Six minutes and fifty two seconds.
931
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.880
No way, yeah in or duel me at Minnesota if
932
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.840
you go, and I think it's pretty pretty close to
933
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.320
fifty you because the first ten seconds out there, remember
934
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.280
I said, conversation, God, what do you like to do?
935
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.239
Like throw people? Okay, so I got that in first
936
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.639
period and I hit a headlock. I have completely missed it.
937
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.400
So Kevin stearinhouse. He kept rolling me through on a
938
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.360
cross for his tilts, and I think he almost he
939
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.679
either majored me or almost majored me that mad because
940
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.440
he kept using my bad arm across for tilts and
941
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.920
he kept rolling me through. So I wrestled Kevin Steinhuse
942
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.880
in the finals is big times and then unbelievableh my god,
943
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.000
this is great. Penn State wins their first Big ten
944
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:30.039
title ever was such alatic a static at the time,
945
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.639
and then whenever the brackets come out for the NCAA tournament.
946
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.119
It was funny because it was when the bracket came
947
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.920
out and I saw where I was seated, the ninth
948
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.719
seed and my pathway. I said, God, you want me
949
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.400
to win this tournament, don't you. He's like, yep, And
950
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.039
I kind of knew at that moment. I was kind
951
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.280
of like almost like dustined Lynn, because I said, you
952
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.320
couldn't have picked a harder spot through this bracket, Like
953
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:58.760
I had to wrestle every hard good, the best kid
954
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.119
in the whole bracket. It was all my path the
955
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.320
one the in state tournament. And I think that's it's
956
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.679
it's honestly, I think there's some inherent I don't know,
957
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.559
spirits or whatever your storylines in their universe, and I
958
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.159
think every year at the NC Tournament, it's it's sweet
959
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:14.960
because you can kind of like you kind of see
960
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.920
these storylines from the beginning, like if this person wrestles
961
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.559
Studd like they have to, they have to beat every
962
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.320
good guy. Next thing, you know, they win one, and
963
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.440
then they went a second like, oh crap, they can
964
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.119
do it. They're gonna be able to do it. And
965
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:26.960
I think it was just that, you know, whatever the
966
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.920
universe is or something like, it was just it was
967
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:32.519
just such a special year. I learned. I was trying
968
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.000
to win every match three two, and then I got
969
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.440
the NCAA tournament and it wrestled all those tough guys
970
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.280
and I was able to find a way to win
971
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.559
and I beat Robert Hamlin in the finals, who was
972
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.599
my first loss of the season. So it was just
973
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.239
a book book ending, and Penn State wins their first
974
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:51.360
national title of ever since nineteen fifty eight, coach Klee's
975
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.480
first national title as a team, and just everybody's great
976
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:59.159
And which comes to the last record book, the last
977
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:01.800
record that I that I hold. I used to have
978
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:03.519
a lot of the records of Penn State and most
979
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.639
penns texts things like that. But you got like David
980
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.559
Taylor didn't got you know ed Ruth. Then you got
981
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.400
guys like Vincenzo, Joseph and all the greats, Bo Nicole
982
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.760
and and all Jason. All the greats have come through.
983
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.960
They brushed every record. It's like a son of a gun.
984
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.920
But the only record I have left is on Coach
985
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.880
Cale's first national champion at Penn State U University YEP.
986
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.000
And I tell people the only reason is because the
987
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.599
other two lost, which was David Taylor to Kyle Dike
988
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.639
and Frank Malin uh no, Frank Malin or Kyle Diak
989
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.679
and David Taylor to Bubba Jenkins. But they were too
990
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:36.119
wrestled before me. So therefore, because they lost and I
991
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.760
was the only guy that won, we had three and
992
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.239
finds that I'm Coach Cale's first national title and that's
993
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.280
the only record that can never be taken away, and
994
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:42.679
that is.
995
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:44.920
A that is a really cool record for sure. I
996
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.719
want to ask you real quick because I forgot Yeah,
997
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.840
you and Bubba Jenkins would have been teammates, and obviously
998
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.360
when David Taylor were teammates. What was it like watching
999
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.960
that match having relationships with both of those guys.
1000
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.199
Well, actually it was I And that was one thing
1001
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.440
I learned too, is that part of my wrestling is
1002
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.719
that I don't watch I don't watch my teammates at
1003
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.039
tournaments because I found out and this is this is
1004
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.119
inside secret for anybody watch. Honestly, if you've learned this,
1005
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.719
you're gonna be so much feather ahead. I found out
1006
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.920
that when you watch wrestling, and as a fan, why
1007
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.360
is it so stressful? Because you are your mind's physically wrestling.
1008
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.199
Your body doesn't realize it's not wrestling. So when your
1009
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.239
mind is wrestling, you're in the match, you're moving. And
1010
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:29.679
that's one thing I learned is that you go That's
1011
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.840
why you see guys that just lose gas the second
1012
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.079
third period. Why can you go all practice and you're
1013
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:35.599
great and you have endless energy and then you go
1014
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.199
out there match and like second period, your legs go rubber.
1015
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:41.280
It's because your body has a drownin and when you're
1016
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.599
whenever you're watching the match, you're in that match. You're
1017
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.920
moving with that match. And I learned that that's why
1018
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.320
I struggled to duel mets as opposed tournaments because Toms
1019
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.440
I wasn't watching my teammates. I wasn't watching him do that,
1020
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.000
and luckily I wasn't watching that match when it happened.
1021
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.360
I had to watch it afterwards. Although I knew something
1022
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.679
didn't go well for David Taylor whenever he came back
1023
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.880
in locker room and he said a few words and
1024
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.599
he made some loud noises in the bathroom. He was
1025
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.880
hitting things. I knew something to go at, and Coach
1026
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:12.760
Ksey's like, hey, how about let's just go over here,
1027
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.000
Let's go over to this area over here. So I
1028
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.199
knew that something bad didn't happen. Then I watched it
1029
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.000
later and I was like, oh man, that's rough, but
1030
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:22.760
you know those things and those things happened, and so
1031
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.440
afterwards it's tough because at the time we were all
1032
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.519
like mad at Bubba and it was like the antagonist,
1033
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.079
I would say, and he was just being Bubba, being himself,
1034
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:36.519
great promoter and doing all that stuff. But yeah, it
1035
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.559
was I would say, I would say at the time salty,
1036
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.400
and we're all kind of salty, like David One if
1037
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.760
you would have done this. But hey, that's how wrestling goes,
1038
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.159
you know, That's how that's how it happens to arms.
1039
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:47.920
You bring up a good point.
1040
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:48.280
Uh.
1041
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.960
My broadcast partner in the Big Ten Network is the
1042
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.440
most brilliant wrestling mind I've ever encountered, in Jim Gibbons.
1043
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.199
And he would tell me he's got so many great stories,
1044
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.280
but one of those uh, piggybacking off of your point
1045
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.480
was that when he would take his cyclones to Carver
1046
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:07.199
Hawk guy and there's fifteen thousand people and those fans
1047
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.960
are right on top, he would keep if you wrestled
1048
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.159
in that second half, he'd keep you out of the
1049
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:16.320
arena because to your point, he said, those guys, they
1050
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.880
if they were out by the time they wrestled, pure
1051
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.639
exhaustion just from dealing with the crowd, dealing with the
1052
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.920
anxiety and feeling that energy. So that's a that's a
1053
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:27.440
that's a cool little there.
1054
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.280
There's a lot of truth to that. I don't think
1055
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.719
people really understand that as as much as if I'm
1056
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.480
out there and I'm really struggling in to match and
1057
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.639
those fans are just going nuts, you get you literally
1058
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:39.719
will get energy off that. Now. I've never had like
1059
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:41.800
energy get pulled away from me. I would say from
1060
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.360
the negative energy. But I'm telling you that positive energy
1061
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.800
that the fans that give you whenever in this moment's
1062
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.639
a need. Like there's something to that. And that's what
1063
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.599
I learned after that first national title was that. And
1064
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.360
actually I tell other guys that, and I think, honestly,
1065
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.159
I think that's why Dave Taylor lost to Colin Dake
1066
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.760
his his junior year. Kyle Days senior year was because
1067
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.960
David was sitting there watching everybody wrestle the whole time,
1068
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:05.679
and then he did great first period, and then the
1069
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.440
second period he and his legs looked like rubber and
1070
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:08.840
it looked like he was out of shape. He wasn't
1071
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:10.840
out of shape. He just I just think from watching
1072
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.519
everybody else, he just emotional energy. I call emotional energy.
1073
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.239
He just ran out emotional energy and the the adrenaline
1074
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.880
that your body has. Legs go like rubber and nothing works.
1075
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.679
What is the match, Quintin that taught you the most?
1076
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:27.239
If you had to pick a match in your career,
1077
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:29.719
is there one that taught you the most?
1078
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.119
I would I mean, there's there's so many, so many
1079
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.840
of them I come up with, but I would really
1080
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.960
say that the one that sticks out because it always
1081
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.440
hurts the most, is whenever I took second to Steve
1082
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:46.119
Bozak Cornell in twenty twelve. I was in EVS in
1083
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.079
the finals and I had beaten him earlier in the
1084
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.199
year at the Southern Scuff Fall, and I almost majored him.
1085
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.400
I think it was like seven zero or something. I
1086
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.079
beat him pretty good, so I was pretty confident going
1087
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.840
into that match him like, Oh, this is gonna be good.
1088
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.440
I got this. And when I lost an overtime, and
1089
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.480
I remember to this day and I teach others it
1090
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.239
was that. And he did a great job. He switched
1091
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.559
up his strategy. He quit attacking because there's one strategy
1092
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.239
where you're better than the guy, so you just put
1093
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.519
it on him. But the other strategy is I can't
1094
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.679
beat this guy, so I hope he loses to me,
1095
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.039
which is a defensive attitude and it will catch a
1096
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.920
lot of people. And that was his strategy in that match,
1097
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:25.679
was that He's like because he didn't take a single
1098
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:27.320
shot the whole match, he kind of backed up. I
1099
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.840
shot him out of mountains five or six times within
1100
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.599
that NDZA finals, and I kind of walk in that way.
1101
00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:35.920
I lost as I walked into him, thinking, oh, this
1102
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.960
guy's not going to shoot. Well, he shoots, he gets
1103
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.480
a little single, we get into a scramble. Well, Coach
1104
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.400
Kill teaches the defense that when somebody shoots ahead inside
1105
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:45.880
of those singles like that, or the head gets inside
1106
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.440
bill your knee, you fall over that shoulder, you come
1107
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:49.800
out to the side and you kind of kick it
1108
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.960
out and you know, I'm a national champion before I
1109
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.519
know what I'm doing. I'm great. I had him in
1110
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:59.519
practice in that defense. I didn't practice that defense at all,
1111
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.119
and so that match taught me that you have to
1112
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.920
practice everything. Because had I been practicing, I would have
1113
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.760
reacted correctly. I would have win the match three time
1114
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.280
national champ. But because I didn't, I fell over to
1115
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.920
the other side. It turns into a scramble. Now it's
1116
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:19.440
a fifty to fifty shot that you know he ended
1117
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.519
up getting. I had, you know, wizard stuff, but the
1118
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.440
ref call to take down and overtime kind of like
1119
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:27.639
that before they could review like they do now. Sorry PJ. Dube,
1120
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.559
but but that was kind of like how you know,
1121
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:32.039
that was it?
1122
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:32.679
That was over.
1123
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.719
It was done with. So had I reacted correctly the
1124
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.480
way I know the correct way, had I been practicing
1125
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.559
it and reacting correctly, i'd have won the match. Well,
1126
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.039
because I didn't, I gave the guy a chance to win.
1127
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.440
And that was probably one of the most impactful things too,
1128
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:49.480
because like I thought I was, I was gonna win
1129
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.960
that match, but it's just he stayed away. He was
1130
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.440
really smart and he just he did such a great
1131
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.239
job of not allowing or not coming after me to
1132
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.320
allow him to open up, and opened him up and
1133
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:02.960
get get a bunch of takedowns and points.
1134
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:07.440
He'd beat you four to two in the sudden victory.
1135
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:07.880
Yeah.
1136
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:11.199
Uh, and you guys were friends, correct. Yeah.
1137
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.119
I mean, I just I like, I'm really sad for myself,
1138
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.079
but I'm really happy for him because I'd watch him
1139
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.679
lose to Pennsylvania state titles. We would train every weekend
1140
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.599
to the Nindianland Wrestling Club. He was from State College,
1141
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.400
I was from Baldiicol. So we trained every weekend to together.
1142
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.400
And we were kind of good, I'd say wrestling buddies
1143
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.639
at the time. We were good wrestling buddies throughout high school.
1144
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:30.920
And so I'm kind of rooting for each other. And
1145
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.639
then Rob Cole when he didn't, you know, I say,
1146
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.400
to penn State. He got Bozach, Steve Bozach, and he
1147
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.800
took him to the court. Now and he went out
1148
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.800
there and he's wrestling. He was always a hard worker,
1149
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.960
you know, great kid, awesome kid. Uh, and just never
1150
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:46.880
was able to get that success. And I don't know
1151
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.880
what it was about that year, but that year, he
1152
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.280
was able to put it together and then in the finals,
1153
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:52.599
Like I said, I wasn't trying to live this, but
1154
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.880
I joke around today. I tell people like, yeah, just listen,
1155
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:57.519
I can't get greedy. I can't have more than one
1156
00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:59.920
national tie off figure to give one away. But I
1157
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.719
really do want to win that match. And like I said,
1158
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:05.079
that was just something that I learned. He had a
1159
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.480
great year and he found like I said, he found
1160
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.639
a way to win. And that's all matters. He found
1161
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:11.159
a way to win. Because the other thing too, I
1162
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.320
keep thinking back too. We can talk about the storylines
1163
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.360
where I barely beat Robert Hamlin in the Semis that
1164
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.760
year in twenty twelve, and that was the only guy
1165
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.760
that Bots that couldn't beat that year. I think he'd
1166
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:25.280
lost to the twice Hamlin so and he was on
1167
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:26.880
the other side of the bracket. So I beat the
1168
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:28.800
guy he can't beat. I get in the finals, and
1169
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.119
then he found a way to barely barely beat me
1170
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:33.639
because I kind of like I overlooked it. I wasn't
1171
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:36.719
as prepared and I wasn't as I wasn't as ready
1172
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.679
in that that That's what really stuck with me, is
1173
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.400
that you can never you can you can never be
1174
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:43.679
confident in yourself. You always have to do the little
1175
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.119
things to continue success.
1176
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.480
How did you deal with setbacks?
1177
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:50.719
Oh?
1178
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.000
Yeah, like when I busted my shoulder. It's tough. You
1179
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.159
got to rely on your coaches. You got to rely
1180
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.119
on your and your teammates too, and really I did.
1181
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:02.719
And some of you guys have parents and stuff too,
1182
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.679
or just anybody that's willing to invest with you. Just
1183
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.880
the positivity. I would say. So whenever I was, especially
1184
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.960
twenty eleven, whever I had that setback of busting my
1185
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:14.960
shoulder and it's coming back, I had a great body
1186
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.159
in the room too. Joe Bisardi. He still hangs around
1187
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:20.719
a great meteorologist, and he hangs in he lives in
1188
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.079
the balls where he has his own company. But be
1189
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:24.800
willing to listen to people that want to be a
1190
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.480
positive influencer your life, because then he might say something
1191
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.119
that gives you a whole different perspective. And one thing
1192
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.400
he would say that's stuck with me during that time
1193
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.360
is that, you know, sometimes you've got to push yourself
1194
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.239
until you got to push yourself to the point till
1195
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.719
God is carrying you. And so that kind of really
1196
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:43.800
stuck with me because he won't train me a little
1197
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.000
bit during that time. But it's really relying on those
1198
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.519
around you and if they're not a positive influencing you know,
1199
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.159
you're an okay person, But I can't be around you
1200
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.639
at this point in time if they don't want to
1201
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:57.559
be positive or help you get to your goals.
1202
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:58.679
So that's what to say.
1203
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.920
Is that really the uh with those types of setbacks
1204
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:04.719
in life, You've got to find the people that want
1205
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.039
to have this help you get to your dream or
1206
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.079
get to your end goal. And sometimes it is it's
1207
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.519
dealing with the hard truths. You have to be willing
1208
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.800
to listen to those people around you who you know
1209
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.079
that have your good intent. So when they say something
1210
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:20.880
to you that's a hard truth that you have to
1211
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:22.840
swallow or a hard till you have to swallow, you
1212
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.119
have to be willing to take that and ingest that
1213
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.840
and then determine is that going to be me or
1214
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.400
is it not going to be me? And that's and
1215
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.719
that's one of the things where whenever I busted my shoulder,
1216
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.400
the first thing that happened in coach kle he got
1217
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:41.880
us psychologists sports psychologists. Her name's Bonnie Epstein Epstein, And
1218
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.880
actually I talk to her on the phone, and that's
1219
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.679
one of the things she helped guide me through was
1220
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.000
letting go of the past, what people have said, what
1221
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.639
people put it into you, that aren't you an example.
1222
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.480
Be Like whenever I was growing up, my dad said,
1223
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.400
you got to train perfect, you got to eat perfect,
1224
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.000
you gotta be perfect so you can have some success. Well,
1225
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.880
that becomes the record in your brain. And so whenever
1226
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:06.159
I busted my shoulder and now I have a bus's shoulder,
1227
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.400
and I just feel like I'm not perfect, I can't
1228
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:10.599
be perfect, I'll never be perfect, that there's no way
1229
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.559
I could ever win. And she really helped me reframe that,
1230
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.719
just saying taking those those thoughts, Like I said, good
1231
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.000
intentions are good idea, but take those thoughts. And my
1232
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.440
dad was a great football player. He played under blow
1233
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:27.639
Bosham Butler when he first came to Michigan University back
1234
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:29.280
in the day, and then he transferred to Penn State.
1235
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.639
Had that issue and ended up happing to leave the team.
1236
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:37.880
But it was a pretty good track star. But since
1237
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.599
he was a football player, she helped me say, hey,
1238
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:42.519
take all those thoughts that that you're not perfect that
1239
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.559
you can't win. Put it in that football and throw
1240
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:45.880
it back to him, be like, hey, thank you, but
1241
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.199
here take this back. That's not me, that's not who
1242
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.079
I am. Who am I I'm a winner, I'll find
1243
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:55.480
a way win. I'm gonna win by one point, whatever
1244
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.519
it takes. And so that's kind of like there's a
1245
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.320
little bit of that psychology. You gotta be willing to
1246
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.719
trust people and be able to swallow those hard truths
1247
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:04.519
whenever they tell you something that's not gonna help you
1248
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:06.079
help you get to your end goal.
1249
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.119
What was one of those hard truths at some point
1250
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.199
in your career you remember a time when somebody had
1251
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.239
to really just tell you the way it was. It
1252
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:19.840
was uncomfortable, unpleasant, but necessary and your credit you were
1253
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.159
able to use it to your benefit.
1254
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.159
Oh and then now I put me on spot, I'd
1255
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.079
really have to think about that. I said, I've been
1256
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.679
pretty for the most part, I've been pretty good. But
1257
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.440
some of that stuff still still I would say, it
1258
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.480
really still holds true. It's just like, although I say
1259
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.280
winners find a way win, and that's true, but what
1260
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.920
helps you do that? Not staying out past eleven o'clock
1261
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.480
or twelve o'clock at night. You still gotta give your body,
1262
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.320
put your body in the right spot. So I would
1263
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.760
say the really hard truth is, even though a winner
1264
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.360
will find a way whin to put yourself in that
1265
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.760
best spot, you still have to do the correct things.
1266
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.039
You got to eat healthy, make sure you're eating to
1267
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:07.119
take care of yourself. Another example is like I'd go
1268
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.239
home and we had a cold. We had a wood
1269
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.679
fire furnace at home. Well, every Monday I'd come in
1270
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.960
and I'd be out of gas and I could hardly breathe. Well,
1271
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.599
it's because I'd have asthma from those coals. So I
1272
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.800
wasn't I couldn't go home in season because just the
1273
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.119
wood ash would cause me for two or three days,
1274
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.639
I would had a hard time training.
1275
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:26.239
Uh.
1276
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.800
Just and and really the hard truths was a lot
1277
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.000
of it was coming from my dad growing up, where
1278
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:32.639
like you can't be out to one in the morning.
1279
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:34.840
You can't think that you can do whatever you want
1280
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.000
on the weekend, go out with your friends or your
1281
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.800
buddies till one or two in the morning and not
1282
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.440
doing anything bad, just hanging out and then expect to
1283
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.239
be able to train it your capacity on Monday, even
1284
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.440
coach Kales in case they all agree with that too.
1285
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.280
You know, there's that's why Penn say we don't have
1286
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.440
like a no drinking during season, Like you can't do
1287
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:54.920
that and be as highly successful as you want to
1288
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.199
be because it does wear down your body. And so,
1289
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.880
I don't know, boring, but it's still true. It might
1290
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:05.480
be it's not like a life changing art true. But
1291
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.159
though these little things, they still are true.
1292
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:14.519
We have the podcast stories from the Resultes pins. I
1293
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:16.880
like to refer to them as a slap of the resultes.
1294
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.679
What is the most memorable pin in your wrestling career?
1295
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.400
Oh my god, that's easy. So up for about ten
1296
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.360
years after twenty thirty through about two twenty twenty three,
1297
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.480
every single year at the NCA Torment, I would get
1298
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:34.400
a text from coach Cody Sanderson and he said, Hey,
1299
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:36.880
your semi finals twins was the greatest match I ever
1300
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:41.079
watched and so and people don't know that the semifinals
1301
01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:45.280
in twenty eleven. Wrestling kid can't gambro. He is toughest nails.
1302
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.679
He beat me in high school with the I think
1303
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.119
the All Start USA versus Iowa at the time I
1304
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.239
was on that team. He beat me there and then
1305
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:54.960
he beat me the doul met. During the season one,
1306
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:56.480
I'm wrestling and he was having a really good year.
1307
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:01.119
He ended up taking third, and I believe that year. Well,
1308
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.199
I'm wrestling in semi fonds and it's a close match,
1309
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.440
close match. Well, somehow at the end of the first
1310
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:09.239
I end up getting it over on a position and
1311
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:10.719
this is where, like I like to pick people up
1312
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:12.840
the throne, I locked my hands and I just launched
1313
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.360
them and it was funny because it showed up in
1314
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.800
the roles. I'd say committee the next year that hey, refs,
1315
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:20.920
you're not allowed to start counting back points until the
1316
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.119
guy actually hits the mat, because if you watch in
1317
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.480
slow motion, the ref actually starts counting back points as
1318
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.719
he's falling to the mat. It's hilarious. But so I
1319
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:29.920
do do that, and I get him on his back.
1320
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:31.880
I'm a five to nothing. So now Gambro has to
1321
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.239
he has to attack me, and his his strategy was
1322
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:35.960
like stay away, make guys force money to you, and
1323
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.039
then he run around behind. Well, once he attacked me
1324
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.079
and I stopped in front headlock and I came around.
1325
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.800
We call it a badger trap at Penn State. You
1326
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:45.360
come around and get the leg at the head. Well,
1327
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:47.679
he started to stand up. Well, his head came down
1328
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.480
to his leg. I locked my hands same way that
1329
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:54.960
Mikaya Lewis beat Vincenzos Joseph. You put your head closer
1330
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:56.480
to ache that you lock up your hands. Well, he
1331
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.559
stood straight up and then I hoped his leg and
1332
01:01:58.599 --> 01:01:59.760
I take him down to the back and I pen
1333
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.599
in a cradle and it was. It's great because I
1334
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:04.119
still have a picture on my phone. It's one of
1335
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.519
the greatest pictures where Coach Kle Centers is down on
1336
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.880
the mat like this, slapping the mat for that pen,
1337
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:12.599
and coach and Casey he's going like this and Coach
1338
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.880
Kle he's slapping the mat, which he probably should have
1339
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.559
lost the team point for that, but because you can't
1340
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:19.719
do that, but it was. It was such a great
1341
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.800
That's probably the greatest pen. I would say. Uh, I
1342
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.000
had so many really good pins, but that was probably
1343
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.119
the most epic, I would say, because that put Penn
1344
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.119
State in the pretty much like we had to. Everybody
1345
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:32.760
had to lose every single match after that in order
1346
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.119
for Penn State to lose the team title. That solidified
1347
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.159
us as the team winner over at Cornell in twenty eleven,
1348
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.119
and it was just and it was crazy how it happened.
1349
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:44.679
It was just so crazy. Well from the throw and
1350
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:46.800
then I ended up thirty seconds later, I get him
1351
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:49.119
in a cradle and it's like a falling cradle, standing cradle,
1352
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:50.880
falling down to the mat and I get that pen.
1353
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.079
It was It was pretty wild that.
1354
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:57.119
Final season you and Dustin Killgore. Now you're up to
1355
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.239
one ninety seven. You know, began your career se Force
1356
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.159
in All American It's a true freshman year with a
1357
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.079
national title at one eighty four. Now you're up to
1358
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:09.039
one ninety seven. Dustin Kilgore, Kan States national champ. Uh,
1359
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.199
what do you remember from that match? What was key?
1360
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.559
Well, really I locked out. I looked out in the
1361
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:17.559
fact that he thought he could beat me, which was
1362
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.639
a good thing because, like I said, going into that match,
1363
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.119
I was winning every match. It was like three zero.
1364
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.000
It was three zero that whole tournament. I just won
1365
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.519
the semi finals against Matt Whoopes in a double triple
1366
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:33.599
overtime match. These guys were not wrestling me, they weren't
1367
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:37.360
opening up everything. And I'm an average or small size
1368
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.920
ninety seven pounders, so I couldn't force anything. Like eighty four,
1369
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:42.280
I could force things, but I said, I couldn't force things,
1370
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.360
so I could only take what these guys were given
1371
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.239
me from a technique standpoint, because I couldn't force anything.
1372
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.960
He's too strong, too big, too strong. But Kilduguar, he
1373
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:53.920
actually came after me. He tried wrestling, and that's when
1374
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.320
I could just slick things, and that's when ended up happening.
1375
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.519
I was able to underhook on slick it where I
1376
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.400
often think they had. Had he not done that, we
1377
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:03.679
could have had a completely different match. Had he had
1378
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:05.800
a strategy like bose Ac did the year before, we
1379
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.320
say back forced it, made the guy force it on you,
1380
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.039
it could have been a completely different match. But that
1381
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:12.880
was Uh. And like I said, that's what I was
1382
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:14.719
nervous going into. I'm thinking, oh my god, if he
1383
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:16.800
does this, I don't know how this guy's like I
1384
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.360
called him Kilwood a dragon slayers because he is just
1385
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:22.599
massive and he's big, and he had one match. He
1386
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:25.639
hadn't lost the match in two years. Uh, he's undefeated,
1387
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.039
just like I watched him in his national title in
1388
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.480
twenty eleven as well. I think, yeah, twenty eleven, I
1389
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:33.679
believe it was twelve thirty. Yeah, because then he took
1390
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:35.800
the link of Redshirt year and then he came back
1391
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.199
and he was just he was he's such a great wrestler,
1392
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:40.880
So I was worried he wasn't wrestling me. But then
1393
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.159
when we get out there, we started wrestling. It worked
1394
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:44.760
out in my favor because he actually tried and I
1395
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.880
was able to out slick him and open things up,
1396
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:50.320
which made the match quite a bit easier. Uh So
1397
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:52.760
that's where that's what I was singing that match. I
1398
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:55.039
was so nervous because if he wrestles laid back like
1399
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:56.920
the other guys were, I don't know if I was
1400
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:58.840
gonna win. But then that's when Coach Cale said. He
1401
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.400
just said, hey, I am worried about you. You'll figure
1402
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.360
it out, and just for that confidence, You're right.
1403
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:03.679
I did.
1404
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:05.599
In the first three seconds, I figured out where this
1405
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:07.639
match is going, and I was I was able to
1406
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:08.199
pick it apart.
1407
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.679
Earlier that year, you won your second Big Ten title.
1408
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:14.960
What do you recall from that title run.
1409
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.400
I'm trying to think. I can't remember who arrestled in
1410
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.199
my second in the finals of the second Big Ten title.
1411
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.119
These are the things Court and I got an interrupt
1412
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:28.320
you on this. These are the things that just blow
1413
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:32.400
my mind. When you are so good, When you are
1414
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:36.360
so good that you weren't a big ten title and
1415
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:39.920
don't remember who you beat, like that just blows my mind.
1416
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:42.320
Like I mean, I can tell you who I beat
1417
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:46.360
like a second great tournament because that was a big thing.
1418
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:48.920
I mean, it just puts it. It gives a level
1419
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.199
set as to how good, and I mean this respectfully,
1420
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.119
of course, how good you must have been. It's like, yeah,
1421
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.280
I won my second big title, but I just really
1422
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:57.559
don't remember who I beat.
1423
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.519
I think I think it was, and I think it
1424
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.280
was Minnesota again, but a different kid, uh from a
1425
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.239
different guy from Minnesota. I'm pretty sure.
1426
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:10.159
Maybe I'm guessing here, maybe Scott Schiller.
1427
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.400
That's what That's what I'm thinking. I think it was
1428
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:17.320
somebody like that. Okay, but yeah, I mean you're right,
1429
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.800
because what happens, I would say that the losses your
1430
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:22.360
your match is really tied to emotions. So unless there's
1431
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:25.639
an emotional part of something in that match, that crazy
1432
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:27.039
if you didn't get rated, that's how it kind of
1433
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:30.119
like sticks to your memory and so outside that torn
1434
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.559
that whole torm my senior was kind of like it
1435
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.000
wasn't anything fancy, anything crazy, anything that stood out. It
1436
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:37.719
was just you know, good wrestling. Uh. My senior year
1437
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:41.360
at the Big Ten Tournament. So that's uh, And that's
1438
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.440
kind of how it works, where the losses, oh that
1439
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:45.679
they always heard and they'll stick with you forever. You know,
1440
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:48.719
all pretty much all those losses. That's why they're easier
1441
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:53.119
to recall. Uh. But yeah, my memory is not always great.
1442
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:55.280
There's some people that have photographic memory and do that.
1443
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:57.320
But yeah, the Big Ten Torment, like I know, we
1444
01:06:57.440 --> 01:06:59.039
need to win, but we're on a roll now, like
1445
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:01.519
we're on a role. Well, I believe we had uh
1446
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.239
Nico mclew's. We had Zame Rothfort in my senior year.
1447
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:05.760
He was in the lineup, so like we had a
1448
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:08.599
good group, Like we were pretty conditioned. We were starting
1449
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:12.719
at Penn State train going of guys winning and it
1450
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.599
was so it was kind of just it was pretty
1451
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:17.440
normal for us to just go out there and you're
1452
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.639
get in your win and we're starting on that Uh
1453
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:21.559
I is it really just saw on that winning train
1454
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:23.719
that we're just all really good. We're doing what we're
1455
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.760
expected to do and we're winning matches. And that's I
1456
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:31.880
and I will say this too, is that the Big
1457
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:34.639
ten Tournament as a team is way harder to win
1458
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.199
than nca tournament. And it's just all mathematical equations because
1459
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:40.440
the Big ten tournament, you have really good people and
1460
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:43.320
you have a lot of smaller quantity, So every loss
1461
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.639
really makes a big difference every time somebody doesn't meet
1462
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:48.639
their expectations. What at the NCAA tournament, you have so
1463
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.119
many of the smaller schools like in cal Bakersfield or
1464
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:55.199
you got like the Citadel, these guys that have like
1465
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.199
a really good guy and they just wreck a bracket.
1466
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:00.679
That help that helps your team either hopes your team,
1467
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.679
hurts your team if they're knocking off your guy. So
1468
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:06.039
and you know, even like h now they're a powerhouse,
1469
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:13.639
but North Well in North Carolina, they came back. They
1470
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.680
came back around too Fuzzy hair like three or four
1471
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:18.720
years ago. I forget his name, you know, he just
1472
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:20.680
went through and ran through the bracket. I mean just
1473
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:22.880
stuff like that. So Big ten's way harder to win
1474
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:24.960
as a team. So we take a lot of pride
1475
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.800
when we do. We're able in that because it's it's
1476
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:28.920
a lot harder as a team than the NCAA tournament
1477
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.520
where we could score all this points and we have
1478
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:32.479
a lot of help from everybody else, I would say,
1479
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.920
knocking off hopefully not our guys, the Penn State guys,
1480
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:38.640
but you know, eventually it'll happen. But I was just
1481
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.079
enjoying it well while we're there.
1482
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.199
What's something within the sport, quintin that you are most
1483
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:49.199
passionate about, whether it's a rule, a philosophy, like, what's
1484
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.319
something that you you get fired up about?
1485
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:56.319
Oh, never give up? You never give up. Just that's
1486
01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:58.239
the thing, is that you'd absolutely never give up. You
1487
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:00.680
can lose a match, that's okay, you know, or never
1488
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.600
give up as a never quit you never quit. Wrestling
1489
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.359
teaches you to never quit. You can always have a chance,
1490
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:10.079
you could always win. There's always you know, there's always
1491
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.239
the next opponent, there's always to do something greater. But
1492
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.920
the only time that you ever truly lose in wrestling,
1493
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:17.920
and that's in life, is when you quit and you
1494
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:21.279
say I give up, I'm done. Uh. And wrestling really
1495
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:23.359
teaches you to never give up like that and to
1496
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.199
never quit. And that's the one thing I really stress
1497
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.479
well with my high school guys, is just teaching in
1498
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.840
that because we live in a society now that it's
1499
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:34.920
one of the reasons why wrestling is not such a
1500
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:38.600
great big sports because it's hard, it's tough, and it's
1501
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.600
something you kind of have to force kids to not
1502
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:42.760
force thebody. You kind of have to really encourage them
1503
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.119
to keep doing because it's so easy to play the
1504
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:49.520
PlayStations or xboxes or the video games and or watch
1505
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:53.199
you know, stuff on TV that wrestling is. It teaches
1506
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.279
you that toughness and to never give up and never quit,
1507
01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:58.560
and it's something that's very unique. I think it's really
1508
01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:02.880
underappreciated as a whole that just those that and so
1509
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.199
I try to I try to get everybody I know
1510
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:07.039
to get the kids into wrestling at least one or
1511
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.119
two years, because those are the things that really stick
1512
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:11.880
with people the rest of their life. And I have
1513
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:14.039
guys like, yeah, I wrestle in elementary and man I
1514
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.279
loved it, or I heard it was so hard, and man,
1515
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:18.039
I wish it was stuck with it type of thing.
1516
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.239
So I really encourage that that the wrestling is really
1517
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:23.479
touch he's never give up and never quit and you
1518
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:24.399
always have a chance.
1519
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:30.560
Outside of yourself. Who is your Mount Rushmore of Penn
1520
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:31.960
State wrestlers.
1521
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.159
Oh gosh, yes, that's right outside of myself, because I'm
1522
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:40.319
always gonna put myself right in there. Yeah, there's too
1523
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:41.279
many to choose from now.
1524
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.600
But it's difficult now, it's tough. Well, it's tough.
1525
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.039
We have we have all the newer guys too, but
1526
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:51.239
we can't forget the past too. I can't forget some
1527
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:54.920
of the older guys and guys like two time national
1528
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.439
champ Andy Matters is another guy that was like just
1529
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.520
ridiculously good back in the day. I like into kind
1530
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:05.800
of like David Taylor. Uh, nowadays, there was we got
1531
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:07.760
we had a Japanese dude way back in the day
1532
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:12.880
and he was ridiculously good. We had a Japanese guy
1533
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:14.399
back in Penn State. So I don't want to roll
1534
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.199
those guys out, but he could pick any one of
1535
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.239
the modern guys. Uh now h But if I had
1536
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:21.560
to do a modern guy now, you know, I'd say
1537
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.319
David Taylor gets a lot of the hype and stuff,
1538
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.119
which is, you know, he should be up there too,
1539
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:27.800
I would say, But really, I think one of the
1540
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.199
reason ones is same Rutherford because that dude was just
1541
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:32.920
an animal. He's just a freak, like I don't know,
1542
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:35.800
like David or Zaying, Ruthford. He can crush an apple
1543
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:37.960
with his hand, and so I think I think he
1544
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.680
deserves beyond them just from everything he brought. And then
1545
01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:44.640
you got always one that always shows up as Kerry
1546
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.520
McCoy too, because he was on the Olympic team. I
1547
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.640
think it's a bronze. I think the bronze or silver
1548
01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:52.039
in the Olympics, So he's he's one of those guys too.
1549
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:59.800
But if I had to pick, uh, I mean, I
1550
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:02.119
honestly I want to put bow Nickel on there too.
1551
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.399
I mean because that dude he just did wann't lose
1552
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.119
and I just dude, that dude would not lose. Every
1553
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:09.840
time he thought he was like, oh he might lose
1554
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:11.960
this match. Dude, that dude would find a way to win.
1555
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.359
So I would have to put bo Zaying. Like I said,
1556
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:17.199
David Taylor should be on there too, but he two
1557
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:20.279
tons national champ. He so I got to give those
1558
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:24.439
three times three timers on there. Yeah, God like you
1559
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:26.680
ed Ruth like he, I mean, he's a three time
1560
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:30.720
he's he was unbelievable. But uh, but I had to pick,
1561
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.640
I say, bo Zaying, and then I'd have to either
1562
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:35.600
go with like Kerry McCoy or one of these older
1563
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:39.680
older guys like an Amley Matter or a you know,
1564
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.319
back back in the day. I think this one Japanese
1565
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:44.960
guy was pretty he was pretty tough. I don't think
1566
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.319
he was he never national champ for penns Day, but
1567
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:49.840
off to look into that. Uh well, one of those
1568
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:51.960
older guys was a two ton national champ. I think
1569
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:53.239
Prescott was another guy.
1570
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.239
He was Jeff Prescott. Yeah, Jeff Prescott was a stud
1571
01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.000
at one eighteen in the early nineties, two time national
1572
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:05.199
cham Yeah, New York native, I believe, Yeah, yeah, those
1573
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.399
It's amazing the amount of talent. Is there a guy?
1574
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:11.399
I mean you look at Penn State one seventy four four.
1575
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:14.039
I mean those weight classes, they have been just phenomenal.
1576
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:17.520
Ad who reminds you the most of yourself with these
1577
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:20.279
you know in the you know recent memory?
1578
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.760
Oh really Bo Nickel? Easy, okay, except for he's way
1579
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.000
more he talks. He talks trash way more than I do.
1580
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.880
He ain't fair to put it out there, but really,
1581
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:35.079
and so that's a funny story, uh with with Bo Nickel?
1582
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:37.319
Uh and he's doing a great job with the UFC
1583
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:39.880
fighting in there, but he just has that same attitude,
1584
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:41.479
like he doesn't care who you are. He's gonna go.
1585
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:43.760
He's gonna he's gonna wrestle you, and he's gonna try
1586
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:46.479
to beat you. I said. The only difference between him
1587
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:48.600
and him is he's a little bit more outspoken than
1588
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:51.079
I am, a little bit more quiet and shy. But
1589
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:54.479
uh he uh, he's a great kid. And when coaches
1590
01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:56.800
were they were recruiting him, they said to hey, Quinn,
1591
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.119
I think it's like my sophomore year, hay Quinn or
1592
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.560
my junior or we got this kid as he's out
1593
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:04.039
of Texas, and you know, he wrestles exactly like you,
1594
01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:08.319
I said, Coach Casey, nobody. He wrestles exactly like me.
1595
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:11.680
And so then a year and a half later, Bo
1596
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.039
Nichol's on campus and we go to practice and I'm
1597
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:16.039
wrestling and we're just like two fish out of water,
1598
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.439
flop flop, flop flop. We're throwing each other back and
1599
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.119
forth and just like if you scored the match, it's
1600
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.760
like forty points between the two of us, just flopping
1601
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:25.920
into the back and forth. And after that practice, I
1602
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.119
said to you, I wanted to coach Case and like, hey, coach,
1603
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:33.119
he wrestles exactly like me, and so as a he's
1604
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.880
the most like me. Just great kid, great, and it
1605
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:37.640
just he loved to throw people like I did. And
1606
01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:39.479
he was great in big moments.
1607
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.960
Now you're coaching high school. I want to talk about
1608
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.560
this a little bit. What you know, what's you know,
1609
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.439
what's your philosophy with high school kids? Because I always
1610
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:51.800
I mean, you're one of the all time greats. I
1611
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:53.840
mean you are in the top one percent of the
1612
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.520
top one percent. And I've always found it interesting when
1613
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.319
you're coaching high school, like there's not a unch of
1614
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.640
Quentin writes just all over the place. How do you
1615
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.479
how do you coach high school kids? What's worked for you?
1616
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.840
Well, truly, it's just and I'm a different level where
1617
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:13.319
like you've got guys like asking uh academy like been
1618
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.479
asking if he's got asking the wrestling academy or and honestly,
1619
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:21.520
I'm inspired guys like uh uh. He coached at Kevin
1620
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.239
Dresser where he had Christiansburg and he turned them into
1621
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:26.960
a powerhouse Christiansburg, Virginia at the time.
1622
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:27.560
Uh.
1623
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:29.960
And one thing getting into high school wrestling is one
1624
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.840
there's especially in a small town like that, you don't
1625
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:35.920
have a you don't have the same level of dedication
1626
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:38.640
unless you're unless you turn it into a year round thing.
1627
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.760
And I haven't quite done that yet. Uh, I'm just learning.
1628
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.600
But my goal right now is just really to get
1629
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:47.560
these kids to have the wrestling experience that's going to
1630
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:51.239
change their life. Because of wrestling, I can do better,
1631
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:54.159
I can be better, I can have more success in
1632
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:57.119
my from my current situation I'm in. But because of wrestling,
1633
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:00.560
I've learned the skills to the toughness that to that
1634
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.600
never give up, just being in that positive environment to
1635
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.600
go on and do bigger and better things in their life.
1636
01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:09.159
And that's really and that's really the goal. But I'll
1637
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:12.079
tell you what it's it's tough because the kids they
1638
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:15.680
don't they don't have that same like want to go
1639
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.920
get it and you'll get every few everyone's while you
1640
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.840
go to a kid, but they don't have that same like.
1641
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:22.439
I just want them hungry and I want to learn
1642
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:25.279
and not stop learning. Completely different environment than what you
1643
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:28.039
find in college where everybody really wants to wrestle and
1644
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.239
be successful and be great within wrestling so my goal
1645
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.119
as a high school coach is really to teach those
1646
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:36.000
kids going you know, it is to teach those kids
1647
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:39.439
how to have those attitudes and to never give up
1648
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:43.079
and to fight through everything. That's hard though. I'll tell
1649
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.520
you what it's in today's age. It's it's hard because
1650
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.000
the kid has to make the choice. I tell some guys.
1651
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.439
I tell people right now, and they're like, listen, if
1652
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:54.520
the kids successful, it's all on the kid because they
1653
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:55.359
have to listen.
1654
01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:56.680
They have to do it.
1655
01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:58.920
I'm just here to guide them, and.
1656
01:16:59.000 --> 01:16:59.840
That's what I have to do.
1657
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.520
I just try to guide them through that process. And
1658
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:04.720
I said, it's it's crazy. But most of the time
1659
01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:06.960
people don't. People don't listen. But every once in a
1660
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.119
while you'll get one or two that do. And that
1661
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:11.359
makes the difference as a coach is whenever you really
1662
01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:14.479
see those kids respond or make that flip from the
1663
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:17.399
personality where you go from getting beat on to beating
1664
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.960
on people, it's it's that growing process is fun to watch.
1665
01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:22.199
For me.
1666
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:26.119
A technical standpoint, Quintin, you're a great mind in this sport.
1667
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.560
For a technical standpoint, what do you think is a
1668
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:37.920
technique that is underappreciated and a technique that is perhaps overrated.
1669
01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:43.079
Oh, I would say underappreciated is getting off a bottom
1670
01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:48.239
big time. Learning how to get off a bottom, like
1671
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:50.399
I said, because that can that can help change a
1672
01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.079
matches by getting a free point, taking bottom beyond it.
1673
01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:55.880
But it's a skill. You have to develop it. You
1674
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.960
have to learn how you how your body wants to
1675
01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:01.359
get off a bottom. It's it's a skill that's hard
1676
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.319
to develop and I was able to develop that, but
1677
01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:08.760
it gives you an extra free point in these matches. Overrated,
1678
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:17.399
I would say working out or overtraining. Overtraining is overrated.
1679
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:19.800
And it goes back to my famous Saba Jenkins quote.
1680
01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:23.520
You won them up for a street fight. Now your
1681
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:25.640
body knows how to go out and do it. Your
1682
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:29.039
body will react automatically. And that's and then truly that's
1683
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:33.600
one of the uh because remember when we had Dan Gable,
1684
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:36.800
the great legendary coach from Iowa. You know, you work
1685
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.479
out here, you do that. Wrestling had this mindset of
1686
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:41.720
you work out and you do this well. That leads
1687
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:43.760
into some of the some of these injuries are related
1688
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:46.359
to that. But when everybody's doing that, it's no longer
1689
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:49.359
a differentiator. In the sport so and I think in
1690
01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:51.840
the early from the two thousands that was the difference.
1691
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:53.840
And then when Kale came along with Iowa State and
1692
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:57.239
then Penn State, he had training where they were undertraining.
1693
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:00.239
Our guys are under training, and that makes it's the
1694
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:04.720
difference at the NCAA tournament. So I would say overtraining, uh,
1695
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.279
And it's it's a balance because you have to train
1696
01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:09.319
enough where you're not gonna get out of gas, but
1697
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:12.239
you can't go too much where when your body needs
1698
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:14.319
to get to one hundred percent, it's stuck at eighty
1699
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.960
percent because your body is in survival mode. So I
1700
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:22.279
think overtraining is probably over over your scale. But ultimately
1701
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:26.079
i'd say also underappreciated too is really drilling. I would
1702
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:28.920
say getting off of autom and drilling, because it doesn't
1703
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:31.239
matter if you're drilling in your mind or drilling physically.
1704
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:34.159
Just hitting that shot repetition to your mind doesn't care
1705
01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:36.479
if it's physically doing it or mentally doing it. It's
1706
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.520
the same to your it's the same to your mind.
1707
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.399
So your body will just automatically react. And the quicker
1708
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.039
that you automatically react to situations, the more likely you're
1709
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.880
gonna win. So just drilling over and over and over.
1710
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:50.760
I tell kids, the high school kids that when we
1711
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:53.279
call them into the technique or when I'm not camps,
1712
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:57.159
I said, hustle equals muscle because the more you can
1713
01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:59.439
hustle in the first be the first guy in, the
1714
01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:01.960
first guy out, you can get two or three repetitions
1715
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.000
over course of an hour. Let's say it's ten times.
1716
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.239
That's twenty more times that you body is practice to
1717
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:10.720
move than your competition. So the hustle equals muscles. Get
1718
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.279
out there, start getting to the technique, keep figuring out,
1719
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.520
and do in repetition, repetition, repetition.
1720
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:18.079
Do your kids wrestle?
1721
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.039
Yeah, I have a twelve year old. My twelve year
1722
01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:24.159
old wrestles now. My six year old he is a
1723
01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:27.359
little bit shy. He doesn't he might get into wrestling,
1724
01:20:27.399 --> 01:20:29.439
and he's actually probably a little bit smarter one. But
1725
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.960
my twelve year old, he's a spaz. I love it
1726
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.680
where he loves to throw people. He wrestles just like me.
1727
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.399
He looks like me, but man, he's gonna throw the
1728
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:42.359
kitchen sink at you everything. And I would say we're
1729
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:44.520
figuring out how to win now. But my god, it's
1730
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.399
fun to watch. We're doing a lot of losing, but
1731
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:47.159
it's fun to watch.
1732
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.399
How do you parents, Quinton? I mean, how much pressure
1733
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.159
do you put on him? Like, what's your philosophy when
1734
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:59.119
it comes to raising your son in wrestling and when
1735
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.119
to push him and when not too and how do
1736
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:01.680
you handle that?
1737
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:05.319
I mean, So, to be fully honest, I have no
1738
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:08.359
idea what I'm doing, you know, because I'm trying to
1739
01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:10.760
be different than the way I was and then you know,
1740
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:12.600
trying to maybe do things a little bit better. So
1741
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.760
truly this is trial and error. You'll get there's no
1742
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.439
there's no rule book to parenting or the coaching. So
1743
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:21.119
but what I'm trying to do is not put the
1744
01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.359
pressure on let him make the choice that he wants
1745
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:25.760
to be great, whether it's at six year old seven
1746
01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:27.520
year olds. He didn't really get into wrestling until he
1747
01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:30.479
was I think eight. Uh, he wanted then he started
1748
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.319
getting the wrestling. He'd show up at practices, but he
1749
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:33.800
and everyone in to wrestle until he was about eight.
1750
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:35.560
Now he's in the wrestling. He didn't want to do
1751
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:38.199
extra competitions. Now he wants to do the extra competitions.
1752
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.119
I said, just this year's twelve year old. He's just
1753
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:42.920
now saying I want to do the extra. I'm on
1754
01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:46.239
bitter wrestling camps. Actually sign him up. He's gonna be
1755
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.560
going to Edinburgh's wrestling camp this weekend because I missed.
1756
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.279
I missed could Penn State's camp and sign ups were
1757
01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:54.239
closed and I didn't make any special phone calls because
1758
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.479
I'm a normal guy. I didn't make that extra phone call.
1759
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.720
I know I could, but man, I just so. But
1760
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:01.399
now he wants to do the extra, and I think
1761
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:04.800
you've got to. You gotta tell a kid whenever, whenever
1762
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:06.600
they signed something, they got to finish it through. They
1763
01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:09.159
can't quit. You can't quit halfway through. You're gonna make
1764
01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:10.560
the choice if you want to do it, and then
1765
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:12.159
you do it. But if you don't want to do it,
1766
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:13.720
you gotta be honest with self that you don't want
1767
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.319
to do it. But I think where a lot of
1768
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.960
parents get upset, they kind of force the kids into
1769
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:20.600
doing so, and then the kid kind of like he
1770
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:24.439
doesn't want to do it. Let the kid make the choice.
1771
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:26.640
But if the kid makes a choice, make him fall
1772
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:30.279
do that choice through the end. And like I said,
1773
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:31.960
I've seen it all, I'm one of the I would
1774
01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:34.560
say nine on ten kids don't make it from elementary
1775
01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:36.680
to college. You know, I was the one that three
1776
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:41.039
that were the greatest world beaters whenever they're elementary. A
1777
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:42.680
lot of those kids don't make it through, and so
1778
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:45.880
I'd rather have figure it out, be like at Jordan Burrows,
1779
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:48.720
you know, win a state title, then have a great
1780
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:51.359
college career and then have great international career as opposed
1781
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:53.319
to and I'd say more like me. I was by
1782
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:54.960
the time my college career is over and we didn't
1783
01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:56.880
have NIL deals. If I had an NIL I probably
1784
01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:59.119
would have been to continue wrestler now the seven or
1785
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.680
eight years, but I was kind of burned out at
1786
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:03.479
the time because I had trained my whole life. I
1787
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.319
wanted to do something different, and so that's where after
1788
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:10.760
the Nitylin Wrestling Club I knew David Taylor, I kind
1789
01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:14.000
of made a decision that David Taylor, he was wrestled
1790
01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.560
on sixty five key loves he really needed or six
1791
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.600
seventy four key loves, one hundred and sixty five pounds.
1792
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:20.760
He was killing his body to be there. His only
1793
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:22.479
place to go was where me and Ed Ruth were
1794
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.680
one hundred and eighty five pounds eighty nine and I
1795
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.680
was ready to be done with wrestling. And so whenever
1796
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:29.680
I left and gave David Taylor the ability to move
1797
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:31.239
up to the next weight class, he grows into for
1798
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.239
the next two years and you know, becomes becomes a stud.
1799
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:37.520
But I always say, you have so much of a
1800
01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.560
wrestling career where you can kind of burning that candle.
1801
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:42.399
And if you burn it as an elementary and get
1802
01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:45.199
the awards and trophies, by the time he gets the
1803
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.119
heighth school kids quit it. They get on drugs, they
1804
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:50.800
have you know, mental problems because they're no longer a winner,
1805
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:54.000
they're no good, they're not as appreciative, you know, type
1806
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.920
of thing. So I'm just trying to be more of
1807
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.319
the latter where I let him make that choice. But
1808
01:23:58.319 --> 01:23:59.960
then when he makes that choice, then we're gonna start going.
1809
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:03.159
And then when you start moving in that direction. And
1810
01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:05.000
now he weighs about one hundred and seventeen pounds, so
1811
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:07.119
now I'll be wrestling with him a lot more and
1812
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:10.359
teaching of those fine techniques, those fine things. But it's
1813
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:12.199
been it's like, as a parent, it's so much fun
1814
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.239
to watch it. You could be just be in a sport.
1815
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.640
I don't care if it was baseball wrestling. Even though
1816
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:19.680
he wasn't the All Star, I always he wasn't really
1817
01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:22.720
All star picked for All Stars. It's just fun just
1818
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.159
to be a parent and watch your kid participate into
1819
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.359
something and have that success after they've been working on it.
1820
01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:31.159
But for him, he loves to throw people. So if
1821
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:33.960
you see the kid Breton right in a bracket, just
1822
01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:34.800
be don't.
1823
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:35.279
Tie up with him.
1824
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.640
I'll tell you it because he will launch you and
1825
01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:39.560
it's it's so much fun to watch.
1826
01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:43.199
What are you most proud of in your career?
1827
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:52.560
What am I most proud of? Really, honestly, I would
1828
01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:59.960
say this the really the people I talk to every day.
1829
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.119
What I'm most proud of is that I was able
1830
01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:08.359
to inspire people, uh to whatever situation they're in, or
1831
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:10.760
I might have said something on I interview, and I
1832
01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:13.239
think that's where people say, man, you're such like such
1833
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.520
a nice guy. You know a lot of times you
1834
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:18.479
meet your heroes, they say, hey, don't meet your heroes,
1835
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:20.600
because you meet them and it's just like they're completely
1836
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:22.439
off it, or they were kind of like a jerk,
1837
01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:26.479
or they weren't read and That's what I like to say.
1838
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:28.159
What I'm most proud of is that I was able
1839
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.079
to have that high level of siss but also be
1840
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:33.319
such a be a good person where people want to
1841
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:35.039
be around, they want to hang out with you, they
1842
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:39.119
want to and they, I said, respect you in that way.
1843
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:42.439
But in order to have that, you got to have
1844
01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:45.600
the success. So having success gives you that platform just
1845
01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:49.159
to show that that we're all the same, uh, and
1846
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.199
that we're all in this together. So that's what I'm
1847
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:53.439
really most proud of, is that the level of success,
1848
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.239
but also being humble and kind of others and being
1849
01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:58.239
able to use that platforming and really get back to
1850
01:25:58.279 --> 01:25:59.640
the sport that's given so much to me.
1851
01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:03.680
Well, this has been awesome, Quintin. It's been great to
1852
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.520
see you again. I don't know if I've ever told
1853
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:10.000
you this, but you will always be memorable to me
1854
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:13.079
because you are part of the biggest break that I
1855
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.159
ever got in my broadcasting career. So the year was
1856
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:20.560
twenty eleven. I'm doing that live sports radio broadcast in
1857
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:25.600
venue with Brian Hazard, and we did the broadcast, we
1858
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:27.880
were at individual mats and then Brian and I did
1859
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:32.079
the finals together and that night I always wanted to
1860
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:33.239
work for the Big Ten Network.
1861
01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:34.039
That was my goal.
1862
01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:39.119
That was my goal, and I remember I wanted to
1863
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:43.680
meet Jim Gibbons in Philadelphia just to introduce myself. It
1864
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:45.680
was a goal. I wanted to do broadcasting with him
1865
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.039
on the Big ten Network at some point. So I
1866
01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.239
went up to him and I introduced myself, and him
1867
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:55.000
and I are talking and all of a sudden, you
1868
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.520
come walking past us and I just I don't know
1869
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:01.479
if I congratulated you or I. I had a small conversation.
1870
01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:05.000
And when that was happening, Jim Gibbons was talking to
1871
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.119
the Skull Brothers. I want to believe Russell of the
1872
01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:11.319
Lolholm a State when was at at Ohio State and
1873
01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:13.840
they were telling Jim like, hey, we heard this guy.
1874
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.760
You got to find him. And you and I ended
1875
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:18.960
the conversation and Jim's like, hey, come on over here,
1876
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:21.960
and Jim just goes talk. I'm like, what do you
1877
01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:23.920
want me to say? They're like, oh, that's him. That's him.
1878
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.359
You got to find him. But that was a pretty
1879
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:30.560
impactful a couple of minutes, and you were part of it.
1880
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:33.000
So I will never ever forget you. For a number
1881
01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:36.079
of reasons. But that's that's another one. So uh, you know,
1882
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.199
I don't know if i've talked you since twenty eleven.
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Yeah, no, I mean it was just like little things
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like that. That's what I think is I'm most proud
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of is that you know, even if you're walking by
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and I think it's some coach kill, senator is still
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to us that if you say hi to somebody, you'll
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give them you make that connection and you say hello,
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and like I said, that could turn into something life
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changing for them or sure and sure so. And that's
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what I said that was almost proud of you is
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be up person. You gotta have success first, but then
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we have the ability to really impact others in that
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way by being humble and kind.
1895
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Well, these were great stories from the result your career,
1896
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your experience in this sport, and just great to catch
1897
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you up Quincon. This was a lot of fun. Thank
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you so much.
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This was Outstandinghi, well, thank you so much. I appreciate
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and like I said, I have other stories that down
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the road. If you ever want more stories from the
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inside of Penn State or how things happen there in
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the time, I give this too.
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That's fantastic. We'll talk soon, thank you so much,