Selective Ignorance: Ep. 57 | Whyte Face, Reactive Abuse & The Billies

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this week's episode, I want to remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel free to go to your local bookstores preferably queer owned, black owned, or woman owned to support them, but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or wherever you read your books. Again. That is No Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy. Make sure y'all get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy Be. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Yah yo yo yo, y'o. Welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance with me your hosts, Mandy B. We are getting into all of y'all's ignorant takes this week because boy, have y'all been outraged about the wildest things. So this week and this is America, we are talking about the backlash that Drewski received for doing his skit on conservative white women. Now I want to have the conversation around this discussion or debate between black face and white faith, please and whether or not they're even the same thing or not. Then we're getting into the Bachelorette, of course, that was recently canceled due to the Bachelorette actually getting canceled. I think this is what canceled looks like. Maybe, so we saw a clip of Taylor Frankie Paul abusing one of her baby eighties, and apparently women are coming to the defense of the domestic violence heer. I have a strong take about this one that you're not gonna want to miss. Then we are recapping the versus Tank versus Tyres, and then of course celebrities always say the darnis things. We're getting into Usher defending Diddy somewhat, But aren't you kind of allowed to do that? I think so y'all might kind of. I don't know what y'all a gonna think about my take there. And then also wrapping things up, we are finally giving our takes on the jay z J Cole press run that has been taking place over.
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Speaker 2: The last week.
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Speaker 1: But before we get to all of these things. I need to introduce my super produce.
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Speaker 3: Y'all.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe two weeks in a row we have journalism.
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Speaker 4: Jason Hey, isn't what I was gonna say, live in the flesh, but from the.
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Speaker 1: Box, you're definitely not live in the flesh.
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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna say, and then I'm not gonna be like j Cole and Cam and get myself in trouble by saying dates. But in the next like sixty days, I'm gonna try to make myself down in Atlanta so we can.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I was I was actually gonna even ask a King next time we need to figure out going to New York.
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Speaker 3: But also I figured it did you when.
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Speaker 1: You know what it's like to know they're paying them now, they're paying them down so that the ts an.
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Speaker 5: I still still getting a little ja chopping currently as a report time.
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Speaker 1: Well, y'all, that was the voice of OG podcaster A King.
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Speaker 6: What would have according to them comments, Oh yeah, no, no, no, we.
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Speaker 3: New to this. Not give us these podcast mikes that we created.
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Speaker 1: When I tell you, I have never seen the three of us fight for our lives the way we have been writing for our lives, Jason. This is why we actually do need to get you down here so that you can be abused by the international trauma experience trauma, Give me and mine to the end of time.
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Speaker 5: It's a trauma, trauma, but we all have three different ways of how we interact with Oh, yeah, I try to be respectfully disrespectful, but yeah, he don't give a fuck.
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Speaker 3: He wanted to know I kill him. We're talking about that.
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Speaker 1: And then y'all, I got the King of headlines, Jason jod Lee up pod blessing all the yat niggers. Well, the yat niggas was in them comments.
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Speaker 3: Man, they are so salty, but I didn't like. Here's what it is. It's funny because as much as they.
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Speaker 1: By the way, they were all in the comments, by the way, getting on us to defend the Russell.
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Speaker 3: Well that's that's what the clip was.
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Speaker 1: That has us fighting for our lives, by the way, But.
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Speaker 5: That's what's funny about it is that, like we know that the Russell has a fan base, but like, y'all love him this bad bro.
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Speaker 3: Y'all y'all love him this bad like all right, I think it's what he represents and it's come up prior to the debacle. You know what I mean, I think you.
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Speaker 5: And I'm with that the whole independent thing and curated a fan base the organic way.
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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But also it's a clip with clearly three different takes on where we stand with the whole the Russell thing essentially, and not that not that you don't know his music. I literally just wanted you to name a song. And so people are like, I disrespected him.
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Speaker 3: And dog in the moment.
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Speaker 5: I will, I will admit sometimes when you are doing things recording, yeah, you should be on point with it, and I wasn't.
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Speaker 1: But I was human.
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Speaker 5: I'm a heaven saying human being Like like these guys in the comments, I'm like you in the comments though, you're here with us. The one dude was like, y'all just doing this for engagement follow and I'm like you engaging, you're here, you're engaging with it, right, And it was one dude I can't remember his name, He's like you, clearly he's a fan. And I said that, I said, I'm a fan. Was I was unable to name afterwards?
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Speaker 3: I did, right, yeah, yeah, and I get it.
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Speaker 5: It goes out there they only they react to what they see and these you know, these second clips. But it's like, come on, guys, that's why we asked you to subscribe. Right, listen to the show so you get the full context, you get the full picture. But but these type of people that say you don't need the full picture because we just told them that l Russell dumbass clip was stupid because he only put out the clip.
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Speaker 3: And now they're mad at the exact thing that we said.
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Speaker 5: Like I said, the Russell fan page, oh yeah, I don't know if that's only had two hundred followers.
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Speaker 3: Burner don't have to have that many.
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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy?
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Speaker 3: Though, No I'm not saying.
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Speaker 1: Burner accounts don't have their name on it, you know what I mean, like the fences be on some weird though, like different type name ship, right, it don't be there.
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Speaker 3: Daran gave us the blueprint. Yeah, yeah, understand the whole supposed to.
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Speaker 2: That could that could have been his mom. That could have been his mom.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold you throwing. The event was just like a march.
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Speaker 5: A march they rally march for Larussell, Luther King Junior, sols for Fred Lrussell Hampton, the chairman of the Bay.
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Speaker 3: Like a march. They had a mark, like his civil rights was violated, Like like the nigga was crossing the selma An Petty's Bridge and the nigga needed a rally, Like all right, you got it. They came up, got it? They showed up. They sure did. I wish show up for us and.
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Speaker 2: More people in the comments or more people at the rally. That's what we gotta fo.
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Speaker 1: Now, there was a lot of motherfuckers.
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Speaker 7: It was.
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Speaker 3: It was a parking lot for raising biscuits. No, like, what do y'all do? All right, man? Whatever, y'all got it.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because I love seeing them go back and forth because for me, like my response is just be like your mama should have swallowed you, you know what I mean, Like like why are you here right?
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Speaker 5: Your mama should have spit you on the bathroom floor. It is one of my favorites to like just every once in a while you just give somebody that wait a.
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Speaker 1: Second way to say, what ship hold on? You should have spit you on the bathroom floor. When when is a man coming in your mouth in the bathroom?
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Speaker 5: Guy, ask his mama asked, mama. It's crazy, Mama, that's that's her business. But spitting out now he's doing the science. If she if she kept it in, it's still void of pregnancy.
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Speaker 3: That's true. So I guess the thing would be the adjusted would be.
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Speaker 5: The location matters, the bathroom, the bathroom floor. It paints the picture for you without even going through the whole story. Listen, you're doing salmon science right now. Don't do that salmon.
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Speaker 3: You want to do this public turning out like y'all.
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Speaker 1: Already being ignorant. Well, Jo, you said you said you had an ignorant moment coming in today.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, So today is March twenty ninth. This is We're in Atlanta, Georgia, and it is cold as hell outside. It is no damn reason so for the flat earther is out there for the science denies the climate change people like fuck all y'all niggas, Like it's cold in Atlanta.
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Speaker 3: It's not supposed to be like this. So I'm standing outside and I see this group of Asian people. It's like five or six Asian. You know, they have an Asian ignorant take this. So they're outside in T shirts and shorts and the wind is blowing. I'm like, I'm cold.
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Speaker 5: I know y'all niggas are cold, and it made me think, like I know that a lot of people come to America and they try to assimilate to whiteness, but I just wanted to remind our Asian brothers and sisters that they not white, like God not supposed to be carrying on like this, Like I know people don't like people of color, but like, you know, we don't.
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Speaker 3: Do that shit, like we don't wear we don't wear short. It's cold. It's hell outside, like not even fake cold, like real cold, Like what are you doing? See? I would argue that you, as an Atlanta brother, I think y'all don't know how this is not real cold degrees. You don't got on short. I don't want to catch you know.
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Speaker 2: He said you got no culture.
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Speaker 3: Job it was a culture in Atlanta.
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Speaker 5: No, I'm I love to see cats in Atlanta. You know, going to be about sixty degree, it's forty. If you go to the super market, they got on snorkels. You see something even with timberlands and I know you not from New York because they be having all Atlanta Parrol and shit, I'm like a look bit this guy.
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Speaker 3: Damn by by the way.
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Speaker 1: By the way off it literally is it's fifty nine degrees.
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Speaker 5: You are speaking like I would say, John, and that you could you could wear that in shorts right now and you that was my plan they initially was coming here with the hoodie and shorts. I felt like it's going to be in like the to be.
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Speaker 1: Fair, it gets up to sixty five today, which ten and it's not there yet.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful. Yeah, it was curious day. But when I woke up this morning, it was every bit of forty two. No, it had a crisp. It was a nice little chrisp.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be quick with my little ignorant take. I just had. Actually before we started recording, me and Yomi were talking about, uh, our shared albums, like you know when you say things, and I was like, I have like four albums of saved things on Instagram. I said it's Atl Eats, NYC Eats and to I need to That was the conversation. I need to organize it more so. She was like, you have a Tokyo folder. I said, yes, that's my dream trip. And I said, uh, but I know I'm I'm saving up money right now because it's going to be an expensive trip. Yeah, and so I said, I want to eat the wagou, the finest fucking o toro tuna and all the things. Give me everything market price yet there okay, like straight Japanese ship and so then uh, I pretty much was like, and this is gonna sound bad, and I know that I could be judged, but I'm also going to have my costumes. I want to dress like an animate character while I'm in Tokyo because why how else I said? Give I want to look like Meg thee Stallion.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Moon, oh May Moon? Is that what we do?
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Speaker 1: Want to look like I'm about to catch Pokemon. I want to literally go out there with I want to look like Hello Kitty, whatever the fuck they dress like. And I don't even think they're just like it. This is where I'm like, this is where it's like, yo.
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Speaker 3: I know y'all are around dressed like Goku out there like let me come out.
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Speaker 1: I think, guess what they know all the numbers of hip hop though, so I also feel like I got to get some change. They literally steal all of black culture out there with a little mix of anime yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but I was like, you know, I'm going out there and I want to be dressed like all that. So when I do go to Tokyo, guys, do not hop in them comments, you know, do not hop in my comments making fun of me for looking like an anime character because I'm doing it on purpose.
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Speaker 5: How many outfits do you think you would conceptualize and bring in where.
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Speaker 1: I want to do Tokyo So I want to do Tokyo, Kyoto and Osaka.
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Speaker 3: So today I at least at least a ten day at.
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Speaker 1: Least a ten day trip, which normally I don't do.
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Speaker 3: But I'm like, no, you all the way over there. You gotta stay for a lot, like.
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Speaker 1: And I have to make sure, like all the shot is out my system because the way I need to be able to eat, like, I'm gonna make sure, but I think I'm gonna actually stretch my stomach before I get out there, like I need to. But yeah, at least ten days, three cities, and probably per day at least two outfits a day.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, to walk the day.
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Speaker 5: Wait, you're not talking about like I'm gonna take some regular clothes and some costumes.
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Speaker 3: You're talking about I'm gonna do okay, okay, and.
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Speaker 1: Then I'm probably also gonna bring another luggage because I got a shop out there.
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Speaker 3: You absolutely docuz yeah, and they have.
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Speaker 1: Up hella hella. Well, let's go ahead and get into the mess. Okay, we'll start with do we want to start with this as America? Or do we want to start with celebrities say the darness things and do a versus recap at the time? Where do we want to start first? Jason, what do you think?
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Speaker 3: I think she did?
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Speaker 2: I think the versus recap is gonna be real small, real sure.
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Speaker 4: Start.
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Speaker 1: Let's start political here. We're gonna start political at the top.
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Speaker 3: Don't got the slipping off.
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Speaker 1: Let's start off. What happened with Drewski this week? Jason So, drew.
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Speaker 4: Ski posted one of his sketches this week that I'm sure we've all watched by now. This one was titled how Conservative White Women in America at uh And in the skit, a lot of people feel like he was going at Erica Kirk, which is the wife of the late Charlie Kirk, And there was a lot of laughs, but as typical with this, a lot of selective ignorance and fake outrage.
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Speaker 1: So okay. So there was a lot of conversation too about whether or not we could be mad. Then if black people can do white face, why then can white people still not do black face and it be a thing? Now? The other conversation that I saw was if you offend everybody, then nobody should be offended as well, because what they came to dreu Ski's defense in was that he's done Dominicans, he's done white people, he's done black people. He's done, and so it's like, you can't be mad. But I wanted to know that if there was a white comedian that essentially was doing the same type of skids and did black face, would we be upset around it? Would we be?
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Speaker 4: Yea?
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Speaker 1: And so why so I'm not gonna lie. This is where I'm like, wait a second.
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Speaker 5: Because it's doing black face since the advent of the television, so much specific, since that shit was wired up and had the shit in it. That's when blackface started. You know what I mean, We've been seeing experiencing black face for over one hundred years.
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Speaker 1: Well, I even know, like if you go all the way back to eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, for certain plays and Broadway and things like that, especially on stage, they would get into black face because black people weren't being higher to do those roles and you know, they weren't allowed into those spaces.
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Speaker 3: But that's why. But that's what. But that's the.
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Speaker 5: I just hear, like the you know, the nuance, like come on with here, boyd.
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Speaker 4: I mean to me, but for clarity, are you equating like ethnic jokes, like if you're going after Dominicans or any other culture ethnic jokes and black face, are you equating them or they're distinctly different.
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Speaker 1: To me, what I'm saying is and I know this is my ignorant thought. This was my ignorant thought to me, if you're out here offending everyone, then the idea that now they got to stop because of our sensitivity as a culture. It's like confuse, Like like a part of me is like, Okay, if he could do this to Asians, whites and everybody and we laugh, then if a white commun and does the same thing and offends everybody his own people and then goes to talk about black people, I just don't understand how we get to do it, and they don't I get I know that sounds crazy.
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Speaker 3: What the history is?
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Speaker 5: I mean, for everything that y'all just said, Like the history of black face is about racism.
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Speaker 3: The history of white face there is no history of because it doesn't even exist.
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Speaker 5: It's us just making fun of you, but beyond all, but beyond the historical semantics of it.
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Speaker 3: My answer is like, fuck y'all. Like, y'all don't get to claim nothing. The rules is different. The rules have been different for us, right, the rules is different for y'all. We can do what we want to do and y'all niggas can't. And that's the rule.
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Speaker 5: If y'all want to come in here and say nigga at the concert, you will say nigga to certain black people, maybe some maybe there's some your black friends that will let you rock out. But if you get beat the fuck up, like who's gonna come save you? Who's gonna come like rescue you?
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Speaker 3: Like it is what it is?
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Speaker 2: Hmm.
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Speaker 5: I think the disqualifier in there is that we find humor in making fun of out the descendants of the oppressor. Yeah, so that's like the lighthearted ware, not saying you know all as well, but it's like hey laugh before you cry, Right, So I think that if a white person does it, it won't land well because if they've been doing it already since before the nineteen twenty, so it's like they're doing it. Okay, now we got a question. Okay, is they're hitting message behind their intent? Jew Ski, we not doing that because he's done. He gave all this comedy to everybody.
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Speaker 3: That's far. Yeah, even like guys like Godfrey when they do.
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Speaker 5: Impersonations of different cultures, the dialect, it's like, Okay, it's cool.
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Speaker 3: If Gary Owen did it, I'm not not seeing him out. But I mean, plus, he wouldn't do it. I don't think white people.
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Speaker 5: I don't think white people can actually be I don't think they're actually mad about people making racist jokes about white people.
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Speaker 3: I just don't believe him. I think all that shit is fake. All this shit is a performance. This is a lot.
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Speaker 1: Y'all.
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Speaker 5: Don't care about people calling you cracker, You don't care about people making.
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Speaker 3: Fun of bike? No, I just don't believe them. People call people cracker. They want to be mad, they.
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Speaker 5: Want they want to find a way to reverse racism and all these other things. We want our racism too, No, you.
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Speaker 3: Do, they do?
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Speaker 2: They want to be mad or do they want to use that to then make y'all know.
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Speaker 5: Well, yes, yes they're they're weaponizing the idea of like, well, y'all are always mad about us being racist, we can be mad at y'all for being racist too, Like, no, no you can't. We not racist. Were not definition. We're making fun of you, we're joking about you, we're clowning you. But like it is what it is, like let's move on, move on. Like I don't believe they actually care because based on what oh my god, black people don't like me and like that hurts you, like you care?
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Speaker 3: Like I don't believe that, you know, Cannis Owens, I don't know if.
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Speaker 1: She said by the way she got a kick out of this kid, Yeah, I do think think I think she hates Erica Kirk because I think she was like a Charlie did I think that they had It's all. I just feel like the way that she revered Charlie in the way she talked about him, the way she hated.
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Speaker 3: Erica was like you like that all the signs y'all or Cannas is the girlfriend crying at the funeral that everyone looks back and like who the is she.
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Speaker 1: It was given that Cannas had a really emotional tide to this man, and it wasn't supposed to because the way she talks about Erica.
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Speaker 5: Now, oh you had and I never heard her say a word about Erica Kirk before Charlie died, because she was Olivia.
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Speaker 1: Pope with the president, with Fitzgerald, she was they had a certain relationships. Yes that I genuinely feel like this way now, I don't know anything.
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Speaker 5: But that she talks about the way Candas was going on about JD. Vance potentially fucking Erica Kirk. The whole thing is like, let me throw the scent off, like, let me help push this narrative over there, to keep me a little bit clean because people might be looking at me crazy.
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Speaker 3: So let me just push this about JD.
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Speaker 5: Van.
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Speaker 3: I believe she knows some ship about she has a homegirl and her you know, whatever she's been doing.
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Speaker 1: I will say, by the way, uh, I just would also like to publicly say I think she is great how she comes across like as a podcaster as a voice. Now listen, look, j.
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Speaker 2: Are my head is tilted to the time the way.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not going to hold you. I think that she's she's phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: Is she is?
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Speaker 5: She phenomenal because she piped down on her conservative rhetoric and she leaned on this side of the I was crazy but leaning.
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Speaker 4: I feel like she's I feel like she's just like meddlesome and messy, but she does it in like a polished way that makes like everybody mad but everybody listen at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And that's the thing. Do I agree with everything she says? No, but I love how she as a woman, Just like you said, it's a polished way of getting your opinion across. She's a poster. She's controversial, and I wish that there were more women that just got to sit like that. Like to me, I feel like me and her are very much, very similar.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure I like her. I think y'all would have a real interesting conversation.
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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. I would have to not only read more, I feel like I would have to go to some sort of speech coach. I am so insecure with how she speaks and how she's able to get her thoughts across and say it out right. I'm not confident enough.
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Speaker 3: Don't you need the same person who converted Kanye that that year we turned off from Chicago and turned on the Calabasas. Yeah wait what and shout out to the original Candas Owens.
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Speaker 1: Who's the original Canvas Owens.
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Speaker 3: Stacey Dash No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
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Speaker 1: I think I feel like is someone that nobody ever wanted to hear. We all just wanted to look at her, and then when she started talking, then it started making her look ugly crazy. She was crazy, She's sounded crazy. No Sacy Dash for me speaking of Kanye that her running through the airport. You all remember that video. I'm sorry now I'm sounding like a nigga. That was the best I've ever seen.
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Speaker 5: Stacy Dash though the world, you can, you could go anywhere you want something that was the best.
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Speaker 1: That actually is my favorite Kanye video where we don't see.
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Speaker 3: Why.
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Speaker 1: I also would never wear that to the airport. That ass was jiggling, she had on heels. I was like, you weren't really trying to make him flight? Yeah, like there's no way, Like, but you're trying to find one in the last yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Like I don't even have a ticket.
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Speaker 5: I just want one of these niggas to buy me a ticket right now, because I look this.
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Speaker 1: Good, and baby, I would have put you first class and then you would have talked and I would have been like, go back to all right, enough of that, all right, Jason, what we got up next?
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Speaker 4: So next we have the Bachelotte gets canceled. The ABC canceled the twenty second season of the reality show There was going to start The Secret Lives of Morvon Wives personality Taylor Frankie Paul. If anybody's ever watched the Mormon Wives show, Taylor Frankie Paul is the star of it.
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Speaker 2: She's known for being in a few tumultuous relationships with the father for children. And there was a video that want viral of her.
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Speaker 4: Where she was getting into a domestic violence situation with her current bo.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just because to have a fresh look at what this was, what was being said, and yeah.
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Speaker 4: And then there goes right here be a little mad at me so and it has a trigger warning for anybody who it says here. TMC released it's twenty twenty three video from Taylor Frankie Paul's arrest for domestic violence.
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Speaker 1: No stop, you leave me alone.
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Speaker 3: You're right there, she's out of control. My gosh, oh my.
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Speaker 1: You you stop.
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Speaker 3: Completely lost.
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Speaker 1: Let me go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what's coming there, right listen.
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Speaker 1: So that video.
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Speaker 4: Is a lot.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to watch, and there are conversations about producers actually knowing that this video footage did exist and still went forward with having this woman. She has spoken about domestic violence previously.
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Speaker 3: She is a felon guilty.
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Speaker 1: She has two baby daddies and children with two different men. So also listening to higher learning. This week, Rachel Lindsay spoke about how Christine she had to be as a black woman to even show up on that show.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, this is where we're at. By the way, the cancelation of this show has cost the network about sixty million dollars. This is like a huge, big, a big for ABC. But I wanted to get into the responses that I've seen from this that are very troublesome to me because it comes to a point where I get double standards. We just talked about the double standards in terms of black face and white face. Right for me, what I've been seeing this week is absolutely disgusting in a swing of the pendulum that just does not look healthy for anybody, and when I say that, it's the amount of women who were excusing this behavior, the amount of people who excuse women who abuse men. And there's another word that was just introduced to me in a lot of people's defense this week, and it was reactive abuse. Now, reactive abuse, let me give you all the definition. Reactive abuse happens when a victim of abuse reacts to that abuse in a way which would include physical violence or shouting of their own. This isn't because the victim is an abuser, rather that they have been a victim of abuse for such a period of time that then they lash out. Here is my full problem with this. By the way, if you are currently sitting at your desk or you're sitting in a place, I would love for you right now to go on Twitter, go to the search bar and type in reactive abuse. I want to read some of the people who are defending this behavior. By the way, these are women. It says, reactive abuse is a setup. A narcissist pokes, provokes, nitpicks, insults, gaslights, and keeps grinding away at you until you finally explode. The moment you react, they flip the script and pretend you're the real problem. They focus on your outburstinggnore everything they did to push you there. It's a control move. Here we go, Taylor Frecky Paul video is wild and one hundred percent recorded out of reactive abuse. She does suck for throwing chairs and acting like that in front of a child, But he only started recording to protect himself and prove a point after he provoked her to get to that point. Reactive abuse anyways, literally though, basically there's a butt in almost all of these suits defending the reason as to why she hit him. She threw chairs at him, but it's because he provoked her. Here's the thing. When we have men put their hands on women, the butt is never said. Do you not think that there was some provocation as to why he got to that point and abusing a woman. There's always some sort of provocation. But to sit here and make excuses for women being able to put their hands on men is fucking insane to me. I think what it also does is it creates this dynamic of allowance to a woman being able to abuse a man, and it's kind of what we see happen in terms of men just never being able to be a victim of abuse, whether it's physical or whether it's sexual, Like people laughed at Terry Crews when he came out about being sexually assaulted. We have like a level playing field right now where men are finally speaking up about their abuse, and no one gives a fuck because apparently men are these violent, criminal animals in all essences and can't be a victim to abuse. This video and the response to this, even the ABC producers moving forward after knowing that she was a violent person, is a conversation that I wish we were having more, ladies. You cannot put your fucking hands on these men, whether they are emotionally abusing you or you're in this tumultuous relationship. You saying that he pushed you to a point to excuse you for laying hands on him. To me, does it make sense in any world or less?
00:31:08
Speaker 3: So. I hadn't heard that phrase before either, so I looked at it. I didn't see the tweets.
00:31:15
Speaker 5: I did a Google search to look it up, and I found a website that essentially gave that same definition of a abused person who is now.
00:31:26
Speaker 3: Acting out against their abuser.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: But they're not even though they are abusing they're not the abuser, like correct, yeah, right.
00:31:34
Speaker 5: The idea is that this person isn't an abuser. This person is reacting to being violated.
00:31:41
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about that too? In no sense when a when a man commits that is, is there an excuse for his reaction? Like essentially like there's nothing.
00:31:54
Speaker 3: Then the rule is that a man should never touch a woman.
00:31:58
Speaker 1: But with what's happening now is a woman has a reason if a man pushes her too far, it's okay for her to pass.
00:32:06
Speaker 5: So the thing in my in researching is just a little bit the thing that the first question I had to ask myself in seeing this definition is where where does.
00:32:14
Speaker 3: This term come from?
00:32:15
Speaker 5: Is this a clinical term that doctors are using or is this a legal term? And the research that I did, I found out that it's neither.
00:32:25
Speaker 1: So this made up to not be held accountable for their action.
00:32:29
Speaker 5: Well what the what the from what I saw is that it's a word that therapists used, but it's not like a clinical it's not defined as like a clinical active behavior. It's essentially a word that people use that that therapists use in those cases. Because to me, there's layers to this whole thing. Right, I understand the idea of reactive abuse. I understand the concept of if you are mistreating somebody, if you're abusing someone, that person is going through ecological trauma that's going to make them act up like and not to reduce it to this, but it reminds me of like eleven and Stranger things. Right, they abuse this little girl, they fucked her up, did they's experiments on her, and now she's kind of like unpredictable. She might spass out, and she might have she has his power, she might lose it on you. But there's also the level of self defense, Like, what is the line of reactive abuse and self defense?
00:33:22
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing for this. You were hauling hauling stools?
00:33:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, across this.
00:33:28
Speaker 1: By the way, do y'all want to know what's disgusting about this? And women y'all are discussing. Do you know that there's now a TikTok trend for this? Hold on, they're a TikTok trend right now. I have to say, there's a TikTok trend of women literally picking up stools and saying, when my man gets on my nerves, this is what I want to do, and it's them re enacting to row throwing barstool.
00:33:54
Speaker 3: I love it.
00:33:55
Speaker 5: Why the men who are on TikTok, she's taken account of all the women that doing that, dumb ship and just make a list, you know what I mean, Like, you know that's stupid.
00:34:07
Speaker 1: Here we go, Here we go. Women on TikTok are now fantasizing about beating their man with a barstool, and it's literally a trend of women look picking up.
00:34:20
Speaker 3: Barstools across the miserable woman.
00:34:23
Speaker 1: The things I wish i'd done to my abusive X. Honestly, let a man try me. Uh this is another way. Oh wait, let me let me even play this this clip real quick.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: Hitting her man, I was like, good, he probably deserved it.
00:34:38
Speaker 1: I wonder what he did to make her act like that. But but but also we can never ask that question when a man lays their hands on a woman, I wonder what she did to deserve it.
00:34:54
Speaker 3: That's this.
00:34:55
Speaker 1: But also Chris Brown and Rihanna admitted to hitting him. She was beating him with a shoot in that car, allegedly like and I think they both shared accounts of this. He reacted, The world canceled him forever. But like there's a woman that also was very abusive to him, and he snapped like this is the thing, Like, I just hate that there's no accountability for abusive women and now we have a TikTok trend a woman lifting barstools. Yeah, I don't have this TikTok isty disgusting because men couldn't all come together and be like, oh.
00:35:36
Speaker 3: Gonna it's not gonna live. Disgusting.
00:35:42
Speaker 1: Do not be that a grant start coming up with.
00:35:46
Speaker 3: Won't be the instrument.
00:35:49
Speaker 1: The bat behind you.
00:35:51
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
00:35:52
Speaker 1: Listen, No, you can't do it. It's disgusting. And so for me, like, I just hate that we're in this. We're in a space where we're recognizing victims, we want victims to speak out, we want to believe that we care about victims, and yet when it comes to men.
00:36:12
Speaker 3: There's no protection to there's just not Well the thing in this case too, is that like again, because the reason I wanted to know if that term was either clinical or legal, because that would that would.
00:36:25
Speaker 5: Change a lot about what that term can mean, what power does that term have. Yeah, so she pled guilty to this crime, like she didn't even fight it, so like she did her time. She didn't even fight you back.
00:36:36
Speaker 3: She didn't. So there's nothing right. So there's nothing to me.
00:36:40
Speaker 5: There's no reason to look back at it and be like, well, what did he do? First off, other than people asking that question, were there or no. I researched whether that guy had ever been arrested or now he's never been arrested. No, no, no, no, It doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do anything.
00:36:55
Speaker 3: But I don't see.
00:36:57
Speaker 5: Like there was one incident that they had in twenty seventeen that I read about where the police said basically they both threw accusations at each other.
00:37:04
Speaker 3: He says she did something to me. She says he did something to her. Nothing came of it. It was what it was. But but she can't. You can't use this term to get away with putting your hands on people.
00:37:15
Speaker 5: If you're a woman and you put your hands on somebody, especially if there's video of you doing it, reactive abuse ain't gonna save you from jail. The cops are gonna come there, they're gonna see the situation, and they're gonna take your ass to president and you're gonna get a felony like this lady did. So don't think that reactive abuse, whether it's whether it has merits or not, is not something that's gonna save you or protect you from putting your hands.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: On So ladies, stop putting your hands on motherucks.
00:37:43
Speaker 4: If I could just to add like an end point to it all, it's interesting listening to it all because it reminds me of like our conversation with the drew Ski discourse, where we're saying, like Republicans or conservatives and we're trying to figure out, like, you know, like how genuine or disingenuous they are with their points right, and it's are you really mad at this idea of reverse racism or you just trying to like gas like black folks so the next one, you know, they can get to get back. And for this it's like, yeah, although I do agree like women should put their hands on men, and obviously mentioned put their hands on women, I do wonder like how genuine men are when they're like I feel like they get the ball and they're like spiking it and they're like, yeah, see this always happens, or or they're allowed in a way to sort of like silence women for like the next go around.
00:38:29
Speaker 2: Oh that's the part that I worry about.
00:38:31
Speaker 4: But like to your point, many like yes, obviously, like you know, there's consequences to anythings you do. So it's like if women do it, whether it's reactionary behavior or not, like you know, it's it's warranted, could be legal or not or just like on a moral tip. But I still don't want it to be like I don't want to rush to defend men. I don't know if this makes me sound awful, but it's like I do, I do doubt, like how serious would be?
00:39:00
Speaker 1: This is literally women not This is a clear example of women not knowing how to hold themselves accountable.
00:39:08
Speaker 3: For sure that sure, this.
00:39:10
Speaker 5: One is this one is out of control. But I understand what Jason is saying as far as like this doesn't for for a man who's looking to be like also, we're we're also the victims, so we're not the abuser all the time. It's like we know that, like every every man is an abuser, every woman is an abuser, but like this case.
00:39:28
Speaker 3: Is like this is your wild, this is wild.
00:39:32
Speaker 1: All right, music time, let's get it to celebrities say the darnist things. But let's start with did everybody watch Versus last week?
00:39:40
Speaker 3: I was watched a piece of that. I was real.
00:39:44
Speaker 1: I was in a bubble bath, had my phone like, leaned on the candle.
00:39:49
Speaker 3: You're ready for this one, baby, I was.
00:39:51
Speaker 1: I was like, but you're old. It was a Thursday night. I had to hold on and a glass of pean.
00:40:00
Speaker 3: Other said she owed, but there's another word that she needed to add to that.
00:40:06
Speaker 1: And Rich, Okay, don't be putting my money out there. I got a nice tube. But yeah, thoughts, by the way, it went exactly as I thought.
00:40:26
Speaker 5: I think, No, I don't think it was I don't in my assessment, it wasn't about a winner.
00:40:32
Speaker 3: It was exactly they put on the show.
00:40:35
Speaker 5: They showed their friendship, they showed their they showed their I was gonna say that's why that was my main comment about he was on offense too much. I felt he was just like, all due, relax, you'll take you what you're doing back there.
00:40:50
Speaker 8: You know.
00:40:50
Speaker 5: Then then the thing he did with the tournament was cool. They were snapping each other, and then you know, we kind of agreed that we thought we was gonna see a genuine apparently, and then because but I think it was.
00:41:08
Speaker 3: I think it was dope. It was one of the it was a good one.
00:41:11
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was I thought it was good. I thought it was dope. What's crazy is I I forgot how great Tank of Like is as not only a performer but a singer. I got to, uh go to his his stint on the Hell's Kitchen on Broadway. So he was a part of the Alicia Keys Health Kitchen Broadway show, and he got me tickets there because he came on my other podcast and just phenomenal friends. I mean just looked like takes that pull up to me I'm on Broadway, you know, but different. Oh he but he saying down yea and so and and also though I did just get to see Tyree's perform as well, because Tyres came out at I believe it was the Cole Concert. Okay, so he came out and sang a little bit there. Again great, but it's what I knew because there's no pen there. He just didn't have enough songs enough.
00:42:10
Speaker 3: There's not enough bullets in that man.
00:42:13
Speaker 5: You know when when when Tank said, uh, why you ain't playing enough, why you ain't even record?
00:42:17
Speaker 3: Performed that a black Tie right.
00:42:24
Speaker 1: He was he was talking about, which, which to me is like, I do wonder what their relationship currently is then, because we do know that T G T that it didn't work out, and right now Tank is essentially the bigger artists.
00:42:41
Speaker 3: Sure profile wise profile.
00:42:43
Speaker 1: I think right now he's in his he's right now and.
00:42:48
Speaker 3: R and B money being a successful So it's like Transformers and this nigga got like, no, not only does.
00:42:58
Speaker 1: He have the nigga s I don't want to the internet crying, can we make another one? Guys be my friend like he's it's given. Like they don't funk with him either, even in the movie space.
00:43:15
Speaker 5: Last year at the festival, at the Black Effect Podcast Festival, Tye was there was a three man triple labled him Jay Valentine, and he pulled up. They left together, came together, pause and and you could see the brotherhood, you know what I mean.
00:43:30
Speaker 1: So that's why I was trying to I told I was trying to get Jay Valentine to go to the strip club. But he said, you don't go. He says he's not a strip club guy.
00:43:38
Speaker 5: And I was like, no, let me do morelf skin niggas go to strip clubs than dark skin niggas.
00:43:43
Speaker 3: I don't be club you know what think about think about the strip club. I don't bet skin niggas get all the girls. That's why Ja.
00:43:53
Speaker 1: Valentine was like, was like, yeah, I don't do strip clubs. And I was like, man, let me take it to the strip club? Is it left?
00:44:01
Speaker 3: You gotta go?
00:44:02
Speaker 1: Come for food. It's like a kitchen, you.
00:44:04
Speaker 3: Know, like you got you gotta sell them that Atlanta Hall tackage. Like it's just in a good time.
00:44:10
Speaker 1: Literally, I love tricking people to go to the strip club in Atlanta, Like, but it's an like it's dinner. Yeah, we're going to a restaurant with live entertainment, you know, pretty much gotta sell it like you've ever been to Medieval Times. It's like that Medieval Times with Yeah, you could literally probably get a turkey.
00:44:33
Speaker 3: Leg like probably you probably get somebody somebody in the back, probably got a big ass.
00:44:38
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you you could get a lemon pepper.
00:44:40
Speaker 3: Here.
00:44:40
Speaker 1: You can get a lemon pepper turkey. I ain't even gonna hold you. I just sent my whole girl a video. Do you know they have a lemon pepper? Macha try I'll try Lemon pepper Macha.
00:44:54
Speaker 3: I am going have you seen it?
00:44:55
Speaker 1: Mind you it's a black owned spot. It's you living pepper Machia. I'm gonna send you, send you the clip.
00:45:04
Speaker 3: Don't do that. That would be a crazy white white people really want to cos play black like like I think you imagining started. Don't do that game.
00:45:15
Speaker 5: That would be that would be kind of tough. You can't put it past if they mock Atlantic culture. Can not put it past a colonizer.
00:45:22
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie it would be.
00:45:28
Speaker 2: A strip I'm not a strip club person. It's interesting to me. I've heard that a couple of times this week. I think like people like Jay Valone.
00:45:36
Speaker 4: Should be like, if you're not a strip club person, like, but we're a strip club group and I'm a part of the group right now, and i gotta do.
00:45:42
Speaker 3: The group activity like I don't.
00:45:44
Speaker 2: Don't.
00:45:44
Speaker 4: I feel like people like they spiked themselves out of the like the group activity, like as if it says something about themselves.
00:45:50
Speaker 2: But you missed an opportunity, Jay Valentine, Wait wait.
00:45:54
Speaker 1: But you want to know what's interesting about your your theory? So my ex we had this conversation and uh, he doesn't do strip clubs because he went to a strip club one time and he thought the girl really liked him and with the conversation, because he fine, can't believe that they got to pay a bit to talk, Like he really thought that the girl liked him, And when he got up, she was he was like, Yo, we sat there and talked. I thought we were connected. The vibing he was at a job would be two hundred dollars.
00:46:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, get you Yeah, I sat here through twenty songs.
00:46:28
Speaker 1: And so he was like, no, why would I go pay for attention, Like because he's a he's an attractive man, and so he of course, I mean.
00:46:37
Speaker 5: She bruised the light skin ego, she bruised that ship. It did Lord like, yeah, I got Christopher waiting.
00:46:44
Speaker 3: For the number of change.
00:46:45
Speaker 5: He thought she said that there's a numbered change, all right, run that there's there's a number, all right.
00:46:53
Speaker 1: Let's get a little nipper here. Usher made rounds on the blogs this week, and tell.
00:47:02
Speaker 3: Me tell me why.
00:47:02
Speaker 4: Jason so Usher had some confessions. In an interview with Forbes, he defended Diddy. He obviously spoke from his own personal experiences and said that he's never seen anything unruly or unjust, and for his personal opinion, he still defends Ditty and says he's he's a good person. Obviously, people couldn't separate anything.
00:47:28
Speaker 2: But let's go with the clip, all right, Here we go with the clips, y'all.
00:47:37
Speaker 9: In the same way, I think many people choose to look past the reality of what our country is, the standards that we now stand on. We can't ignore the reality of the history. But in many ways, I think certain people are prosecuted and maybe not recognized for the greatness, you know, that they offer. I don't have anything negatives say about Seawn Combs because my experience was not what the world has seen and how he's been, you know, misrepresented. I'm not saying that every man is perfect. I'm not saying that all of us don't have flaws. But I can't with any sense of humanity not recognize the valuable contributions that this man made for us as black entrepreneurs, for us, as businessman, for us, as people who transition you know, culture and ideas into something that's tangible and becomes business.
00:48:31
Speaker 2: So many people benefit.
00:48:34
Speaker 4: I just want to stop it because I just want to point out to homie he's talking to and the way he's looking at us looking at him, John, can you describe the way he's looking at him.
00:48:42
Speaker 3: Nigga please, that's the look thing onias on his face looking at us? Or say that dumb shit?
00:48:49
Speaker 1: What were y'all thoughts on this?
00:48:52
Speaker 7: It?
00:48:53
Speaker 5: That's clearly a defense of Diddy, Like he said, the man has been misrepresented.
00:48:58
Speaker 3: He said that you know that he wasn't he was.
00:49:02
Speaker 5: He suggested that perhaps Diddy was being singled out persecuted because America has all kinds of criminals and bad people who aren't being held to account.
00:49:11
Speaker 3: So why did they pick it?
00:49:12
Speaker 5: That's like a whole Tech special, It's like number one with fries on a whole tech fucking BURGERMANU. And then he talks about that's not my personal experience and so I can't say anything bad.
00:49:24
Speaker 3: Why does it have to be your personal experience to see that he stomped casting out barefoot and chase her down the hall in the hotel.
00:49:30
Speaker 5: Why does it have to be your personal experience that this should happen at City College? Why does it have to be your personal experience With some of the allegations about what he may or may not have to do with Tupac and getting shot, like it doesn't have to be your personal experience.
00:49:46
Speaker 3: I get it, that's your homie. We know that that's your homie.
00:49:48
Speaker 5: But he leronds me or that you know, you see the monkeys with to see no evil here, no evil speak no evil, Like that's what he reminds me of.
00:49:56
Speaker 1: How do you think he should have answered that question?
00:49:59
Speaker 2: What?
00:50:00
Speaker 3: What was the question that he was asked?
00:50:02
Speaker 5: Because in the clip that shows him responding, I don't know exactly what he was asked, But if he was asked, for example, if he was asked you know, what do you think about what's happened to Sean Colmes? At this point he can say he's he's uh, it's his right to say that's my friend and you know, our relationship and whatever else. But also you sound naive, biased and a little bit stupid, trying to act like everything that we've seen we didn't.
00:50:30
Speaker 1: See here's here's Is that not just him being human?
00:50:35
Speaker 3: Though?
00:50:36
Speaker 1: Like, have you ever defended someone that did wrong? Have you ever went and visited a friend in jail who committed a crime? Has anyone in your in your family or your friends ever done wrong to someone else that you still were able to see them as who you knew the mass, because when I.
00:50:54
Speaker 3: See this, I'm like, to me, there's a difference, though, what is the difference.
00:50:58
Speaker 5: The difference is that if my friend or loved one or whatever it is did something wrong went to jail, was obviously like caught doing the wrong thing.
00:51:07
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go in public and act like that didn't happen.
00:51:10
Speaker 5: I can defend my friend and say that's my friend, and I still love this person and they did a terrible thing, they did a fucked up thing, and I still love that person, and a public judges me for that, then it just is what it is.
00:51:20
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stop loving that person.
00:51:22
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone is coming at Usher for saying I still love Sean Combs.
00:51:26
Speaker 3: But to only be like I only see.
00:51:28
Speaker 5: Good things and I don't bad things hurt me and good things make me feel good, Like, that's just naive and this and Jenie. So when he said that that we gotta acknowledge him for his contributions, right, I'm summarizing. I think that's the problem we have. We do and it hurt us as a community who support him. To know that he's done these things. And I think that's the discourse with the communities. We know how great the nigga is.
00:51:57
Speaker 3: We know his contribution. He's never not been sed.
00:52:00
Speaker 5: Did we see the that other part of it is like fuck, it chips away from our inspiration of how he was inspired by him all those But that's the thing.
00:52:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe with us, sure it doesn't like so it's it's weird. So I had like two of these type of instances literally, uh this week, and this actually made me think of my dad. Okay, so my uncle molested my cousin Okay for years. He went to jail for it, did ten years, came out and of course clearly my family's like fucked my uncle. However, my uncle is my dad's brother. And so my dad opened up his hometown when he got out of jail before he got deported because that nigga will.
00:52:47
Speaker 3: Sit back to Jamaica. But yeah, this was a minute ago.
00:52:51
Speaker 1: This was a couple of years ago, a few years ago.
00:52:53
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, that that's why that literally that he got deported.
00:53:00
Speaker 1: I think because of he did his time here and then they u But I remember the conversations around the family being upset that my dad would do that, but also the nuances that's his brother. And so what's also crazy is he came to us and made sure that he didn't touch us, and because he didn't, he was like, Okay, I know this guy did this bad thing, but technically me and mine weren't impacted. And that's my brother. So I love my brother even though he did something wrong. But also he genuinely felt like he did the time. So the family not wanting to be around him was just like, you know. And so to me, that's why I asked you if you knew anyone who did a crime that you still suck by, because to me, Usher was literally just being human. Now I said that to say I ended up coming across another clip this week, and it's Shaka Khan who was sitting with and I don't know the interviewer, Jason, could you play this clip of sha Ka Khan talking about Ike Turner.
00:54:01
Speaker 6: Okay, I met her, Yeah, because she was I knew, I knew I more. He was a lovely even being just he was he was.
00:54:16
Speaker 10: He was a victim of himself and of the of what we do for a living, and of drugs and stuff like that.
00:54:23
Speaker 3: It was just.
00:54:25
Speaker 10: I was having fun together, you know, but it was it was not, you know, a good time in either of our lives when we were going through some ship, you know.
00:54:35
Speaker 1: And but you know, she happened to his life and so this seems you had a little But even that he said, she said that he was a victim of.
00:54:50
Speaker 2: The life himself.
00:54:53
Speaker 3: He said himself to.
00:54:54
Speaker 1: And essentially one could also say that about Diddy. And so the fact that we know Ike is like now a verb for the abuse, like you.
00:55:04
Speaker 3: Got Ike Turner, like he wends what that means.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: He is a verb. And so for her to even come out and say, well, he was a lovely human being. He was a victim of his surroundings and the things that make you do certain things. I think what we're what we are actually doing right now in having these conversations is removing nuance and the fact that we are human beings and that we do actually make exceptions for a lot of people. And neither are humans that are making the exceptions for the people in their lives that matter to them, and we do it the same. If you got a brother or uncle cousin's sister who is currently in jail right now for murder, for drugs, for killing someone, for whatever, and you go and visit that person. You're no different than an usher or a shaka in support of their friends who caused harm to other people.
00:55:56
Speaker 3: But you have to say you don't. You can't support you're in public or anywhere.
00:56:01
Speaker 5: Really you shouldn't, But you can't come out on a microphone and support your friend and act like they also didn't do the thing at the same time. That's my issue, that's my main issue with ushers that he's classifying this as if Puff was somehow railroaded.
00:56:14
Speaker 1: But do you know, I think maybe the misrepresentation was the freak offs because that's what he's in jail for. He he wasn't in jail for whoop. No, he wasn't, so the misrepresentation could be.
00:56:26
Speaker 5: But you speaking about the character of man now, yeah, we've seen the character of the man is not good if he again, you didn't see the question, right, Yeah, if the question was what are you think about Diddy?
00:56:39
Speaker 3: We're talking about the character of man.
00:56:41
Speaker 4: Okay, I think, but even without the question, like, maybe I'm glad you brought up to Chaka Khan one because I thought she I know you don't like when she enters the room, but if you give grace, like like sha Ka Khan was like, she didn't excuse him.
00:56:55
Speaker 2: She said he was he did these horrible things. He was a victim of himself.
00:56:58
Speaker 4: She talked about a drum and alcohol, and I felt like she actually provided a human element, a human accounting of him without letting him off the hook, whereas like Usher is just like, oh man, he's great, he's great, Like he did all these contributions to the game.
00:57:13
Speaker 2: And society without like any acknowledgment of all the things that we do.
00:57:17
Speaker 1: You know what, So you're right, I'm not gonna lie, I think because there is an outrage as much for Shaka having this relationship with Ike, right, But I think you're right. I think had Usher just literally said, I understand he's a victim of his own downfalls and the decisions that he made were poor, but I have a different relationship with him. I think that's all. It was, like it felt like he excused the behavior and literally the misrepresents word.
00:57:45
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he's yeah, words mean thing.
00:57:48
Speaker 5: He tried to act like Puff is an underdog, like oh maybe they're people are persecuted and maybe they're not recognized for their greatness.
00:57:54
Speaker 3: I'm like, who wasn't recognized for their great.
00:57:58
Speaker 2: Set up the album for the new album?
00:58:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, what Uls you should have did is just take his own advice and if we're gonna tell it, then you gotta tell it all.
00:58:08
Speaker 3: And that would have made it real simple.
00:58:11
Speaker 2: Just say slow hand claps with job right there, you.
00:58:14
Speaker 3: Know what I'm talking about. Like, looking at what I'm putting down.
00:58:16
Speaker 5: This is why the Russell Yeah, yeah, I wasn't gonna do it, but that we all having sent and he and this is why he was identifying these characters in his in those bars. It's because of the same thing we're talking about here. We all of us is from the same source.
00:58:36
Speaker 1: That's I guess that that's my thing, and maybe that's what he meant to like to me, we're just we all have our faults, sure, And I think unfortunately when we come on here and talk about the outrage and and responses to certain things within our culture, people remove the human elements so much from celebrity and everything has to be perfect or because that's my thing, I think that everyone's dice. Maybe what Usher could have said he's human. This is how you felt. Let let people be human.
00:59:04
Speaker 5: Also, he has an opportunity to either double down or clarify or to give some more context as we react and other people.
00:59:12
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he even spoke on this at all. But but I'm surprised that he spoke on it.
00:59:17
Speaker 5: But the only people that surprised me that would speak on Diddy or anything like that is people that you know are gonna say great things about it. Yeah, like people who it wouldn't surprise me for someone who like all the people who are on the documentary, like they all have a you know, axe to grind with the nigga. But of course they're willing to say, like, yeah, the nigga put me on and put me in this position.
00:59:39
Speaker 3: But I seen him do x Y and Z the only people who he was.
00:59:41
Speaker 5: Jay Z's not gonna say a word about Diddy because jay Z probably feels just like Usher.
00:59:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm actually mad speaking of not saying a word about Diddy. J Cole just could have told us how he swung on Diddy.
00:59:53
Speaker 2: Bruh.
00:59:53
Speaker 3: He did the same thing at this point.
00:59:55
Speaker 1: He could have just like told us with like so let's get into finally us capping J Cole and jay Z's sit downs and conversations that they've had. We can start with Cole. Y'all know, I am a cold stand so baby. I grabbed the popcorn and the peanot and put it, put it on the TV and started watching these interviews, and I was left kind of disappointed.
01:00:21
Speaker 3: Boom boom boom.
01:00:24
Speaker 1: I just I didn't get anything else. And maybe because I did actually pay my nine ninety nine for the inevitable podcast that really went you know deep, him and he talking about his like how he got to where he is. I heard his whole thing about jay Z and what jay Z meant to him and just everything getting into the to the to the space. I felt like I was listening to wanh wanh wanh wanh want like I just I got nothing. I got nothing from him sit down with a deska, I got nothing from the cams thing just it was just like he's just here.
01:01:03
Speaker 3: Well, I mean like nothing new.
01:01:04
Speaker 1: I got nothing new, even seven pm in Brooklyn that when I didn't watch in its entirety, but I just didn't get nothing new.
01:01:11
Speaker 5: I mean, in one group chat when these announcements started to come out, people were just like okay, So like I don't want to hear cold talk anyway, just either rap or not another.
01:01:21
Speaker 1: But which is crazy because I want to hear cold talk because Cole doesn't talk.
01:01:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't talk much. Yeah.
01:01:26
Speaker 1: And so when you come out and you're like doing circles around the questions, you're not really answering them and certain things just but it felt so PC like give us something. We've been waiting for you to talk and we got nothing.
01:01:45
Speaker 2: So Mandy, what what would you want him to talk about?
01:01:47
Speaker 4: So like if we if I set it up for the people who haven't listened to them, Let's say the Nadeska Apple Music interview that was like strictly about the new project, the fall off right the seven PM in Brooklyn, A lot of that rested on like Drake and Kendrick and sort of his involvement in that. And then the Cameron interview was a lot about their interaction and kind of like J and J Cole's like early days. So that that's that's sort of like that counting for all three interviews, what what what would you have looked for like in an interview, which I mean I.
01:02:18
Speaker 2: Just think is it those topics but just better or just not even Yeah.
01:02:22
Speaker 1: I think his response is like I really would have wanted to know more about Like he's also been like this lone wolf, right like, we know he has Dreamville and his artists, but we really don't know his relationship with these other people.
01:02:35
Speaker 3: Really.
01:02:35
Speaker 1: I don't think we got at all in answer of where him and Jay stand. And that's been a conversation for a long time so well, and both of them spoke about that relationship right like, and he said, yo, jay Z gave me like my ship back, Like I have nothing bad to say, but there's something there. What happened? We to me, we still just don't know his real relationship within the industry really, and to know that even two records on the Falloff were supposed to feature Kendrick, we still don't know what is their real relationship. How deep is their relationship though, Drake, he didn't really get into that, Like, also, is there any other artists that you fuck with?
01:03:13
Speaker 3: Like or do you not?
01:03:15
Speaker 2: Is that?
01:03:15
Speaker 1: Is that why you have limited features normally on your albums? Like are you this lone wolf that really don't fuck with nobody? Because you're not just mister nice guy? Let's be like you can't be or can you? I just feel like I still just didn't know him or how he exists or positions himself in the culture and in the industry. If that makes sense.
01:03:36
Speaker 2: No, that makes a lot of sense. I think to like, uh is it doti.
01:03:43
Speaker 4: So he did a post and he was making a point about how like you know, on a real press run, you know, other outlets would build upon the previous interview and ask like the follow up questions, which is very true.
01:03:54
Speaker 2: You know, that was my experience early on in my career when you would.
01:03:56
Speaker 4: Do thank you my brother, and so I think a lot of times because they're doing so few stops, it's it's you know, you get these kind of like questions that you have to ask that I have now are built up that have like months of of like things that have happened and like and that's why you get these like long winded Jake Cole answers.
01:04:16
Speaker 2: But also I think also.
01:04:18
Speaker 4: Like these people feel obligated to ask these questions because they haven't been asked and maybe they don't get to a question like what you're saying Andy, where it's like you're weighing, like do you get along with this rapper versus.
01:04:29
Speaker 1: Where is this?
01:04:30
Speaker 2: I know, I'm just I'm just changing.
01:04:32
Speaker 1: And why so much for you to to apologize, Like what is what is the backstory? How deep does your relationship go with with Kendrick? Can we see the blog era of them?
01:04:44
Speaker 3: Even we know how? But if you're going to get on the platform, you got to say, you got to say yeah, we do. I mean right, right, right right, that's the question. That is what is your status with not not that's not in totality.
01:05:02
Speaker 5: Right Kendrick and Drake, all the things that happened post even even in the it is what it is pod. I think Cam asked him have you spoke to them? And he kind of I did, but I was like, I don't know if it did. You a text is not speaking and acknowledge me via text? It felt like it wasn't a real convo because if it was, then we would have had some depth to it.
01:05:25
Speaker 3: He says, he did say, just talking flee.
01:05:27
Speaker 1: Sorry, but here's my thing to write, and maybe it's I want more vulnerability right because you don't talk.
01:05:34
Speaker 3: So it's like when you're wed.
01:05:35
Speaker 1: Know why Drake was upset with Lebron He's like I was, I've been around your kids, why and you can't do that now? No, like what Drake Drake, Drake had all right.
01:05:47
Speaker 5: He took his tattoo off and put Alexander Okay, but he should have, bro, they were really locked in.
01:05:54
Speaker 1: Kids were locked in like this, and then you're going to party with my apps, Like, bro, we are really deep. You kind of know what how Drake viewed that relationship, right, But if they had.
01:06:04
Speaker 3: A friendship, But that's what I'm saying.
01:06:07
Speaker 5: What if Kendrick and Lebron they had they wasn't like this out of the blue, yeah thin with each other?
01:06:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, no they're not.
01:06:18
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm saying, Drake, Like for for for me, for for Cole to have apologized and exited out of the beef, I just would have liked the depth of to how how deep those relationships actually go, because in the industry a lot of shit is surface.
01:06:32
Speaker 5: Well, he did say that even when him and Drake, I mean him and Drake and Kendrick were like all like earlier on he said even at the coolest, they would talk like a couple of times a year. Like he did say that on the camera on podcast that they weren't like, Oh, I talk every time something goes on, I'll get on the phone with Kendrick and we talk about this ship. He made it sound like that's my nigga, and I see him when I see him, But he kind of made it seem like we don't talk every day, even before this shit happened.
01:06:57
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm curious about where he's actually with Drake. I think him and Drake toured. I went to the show.
01:07:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly him and Drake was on some ship like they were bro from early on, Kendrick brought out cod Seal.
01:07:11
Speaker 5: Look, no one asked him about that song port Antonio and in that song not wanting in that song ship in that.
01:07:20
Speaker 3: Song that nobody I'm like, why nobody asked him about that ship? Yeah?
01:07:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think trying to act like and I and and this is all due respect to Dreams Cold, but I don't buy some of the ship he was saying, because that record exists, and it seems like listening to port Antonio, he was trying to pander to Drake.
01:07:42
Speaker 3: D He didn't want to. He didn't sound So why would you go in and say you don't know you didn't know.
01:07:47
Speaker 2: You know, I also think he's trying not to speak for.
01:07:51
Speaker 3: Drake but but himself.
01:07:54
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I think you d like maybe introduce Drake has drop episode three and four that I know after that.
01:08:09
Speaker 3: You got the same things that happen.
01:08:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same thing's gonna happened with Drake speaks like like, I'll bring in a jay Z interview with it two the title together.
01:08:19
Speaker 2: So early in my career, not super early, but.
01:08:21
Speaker 1: I had what career, where were you over the plan?
01:08:25
Speaker 4: I'm not V and I had had a jay Z interview. The jay Z interview was scheduled to be twenty minutes. I ended up speaking to him.
01:08:31
Speaker 2: For an hour and a half, right, and.
01:08:35
Speaker 1: MTV.
01:08:36
Speaker 2: MTV only used like four minutes of it, right, and so because and.
01:08:40
Speaker 4: This is this is a little inside baseball, but I think it's going to prove my point and to kind of introduce something that I want you to respond to. I must have had like thirty five questions on a legal pad for Jay, right, because I'm fishing to get the best stuff for what I know is only going to be a small output. Right Whereas, like I wonder now, because when you do these interviews, with the J Cole and with the jay Z, Like, you know you're gonna get thirty minutes or sixty minutes of runtime that's gonna air and it's gonna be out into the public. So rather than trying to like hit everything, like just having five really good questions for jay Z and then having all the follow ups, because I think that's the thing that elicits Mandy, what you're saying to me is all follow ups, right, Like J Cole says something that it's like, cool, let me follow up instead of moving they weren't.
01:09:24
Speaker 1: They were just going to the next conversation.
01:09:27
Speaker 4: And it's all the headline stuff because I think you feel pressure to get that headline stuff because they don't speak that often. When it's like, I wonder if now the better approaches like short amount of questions and just like really follow up and don't try to go like super wide pause, go super deep he yo instead.
01:09:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's what I just did with I did an episode with Kicky Palmer, and we had certain beats that we had to I'm just saying, but we had certain beats that hit, but we kept the question. We knew there was like four or five we knew the conversation it was going to be an hour, but we also know that as human beings, we could have a casual conversation with Kiki because we know Kiki, and so we allowed room for us to be able to riff. And I do think that with what I'm seeing, for all the things that Cole sat down at, there wasn't Now there was follow up with uh with Cam really trying to get what happened with the Diddy thing.
01:10:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that gave and.
01:10:24
Speaker 1: Then the jokes around the lawsuit. But yeah, I just feel like you're right. I think they just had probably too many questions that they wanted to get to that we didn't stay in anything that I feel like got us to provide something. Now, I will say we could get into the jay Z conversation follow ups.
01:10:41
Speaker 5: Let me just add a little crescendo on that that Nigga ain't talking to nobody. He's talked through his wraps. That's it there, And if we listen to gn X, I think he kind of told us where he's staying with all of it.
01:10:54
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yea. I think he was very clear about these places.
01:10:56
Speaker 5: He didn't go after j Cole but he also you know, he know, like listen, you're my bro, but you did that song. That's how that's a personal song.
01:11:05
Speaker 3: A little bit. God put the belt to ask a little bit. So I love the fact that he silences is a lot, you know what I mean, So shout out to Kendrick.
01:11:12
Speaker 1: I also don't like what you just love.
01:11:15
Speaker 3: Who Drake gonna sit down? I'm not going to got to he got to sit down with you?
01:11:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby, and then you're gonna sit down with and Bobby on their new I think he or Aiden Ross. He's not gonna get He's.
01:11:32
Speaker 5: Gonna be on fresh and fit before he be man. I can Drake I a thousand percent. Seeing him going to sit down with that means he's an unders Republican.
01:11:44
Speaker 1: We're not doing that. Yah, y'all, y'all gonna con as we wrap up. Yeah, jay Z thoughts on that interview, and I do have a clip that I want to specifically get into. I I'm not gonna lie. I loved everything that jay Z said, make me a fifty year old billionaire man. The way that he spoke about things was rooted in reality so much so to where I was like, oh my god, he's a realist like me. I saw myself in jay Z.
01:12:20
Speaker 3: I'm go back two episodes.
01:12:22
Speaker 1: I did. I as he answered those questions, you said, right.
01:12:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, right now, right right, she said, Now you want to go to the Show's the third show?
01:12:35
Speaker 1: By the way, you know what's crazy about it? Just to put my dick on the table. I just want to go to be like, look, I'm there, I'm here. He just wants to go just to talk ship.
01:12:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:12:48
Speaker 1: No, probably I'll see him at Roots. I'll be like this at the Roots picnic holding up my logo or whatever.
01:12:54
Speaker 3: This is, yo, what is it? The the rock? There we go. I thought that he left.
01:13:05
Speaker 1: His answers were so black and white that it's like Niggas was trying to find the yea. He answered from a place of of this is the world we live in, this is how I'm operating. And the people that were upset with even him and I want to talk about his clip about obtaining wealth. It literally was like, yeah, like are you mad? I think he goes play it because I think he's like, at what even number, what dollar amount makes me a monster? Or makes someone unethical, or make someone to a point where you can question whether they're a good or bad person.
01:13:43
Speaker 3: Can we just prase your thought for doing the interviews?
01:13:49
Speaker 1: Is he like lead editor over at GQ. He's But look, so that's the thing, Like he's talks about listening to to Jay when he was like ten years old, right, and so like even doing the math, bro, he looks young, but this' he's a millennial.
01:14:08
Speaker 7: Bro.
01:14:08
Speaker 3: That's pressure too, you're sitting across from home.
01:14:10
Speaker 5: But yeah, he's that went into getting and secure in the interview and then the build up.
01:14:15
Speaker 3: This I see somebody tweet, no, wonder you've been so quiet.
01:14:18
Speaker 1: But not only that, he's the one like how you wanted people to question about port of Antonio. Yeah, he he was bringing up reps like in explaining why his questions were where they were. I thought this was one of the best interviews I've seen in a long time. And I'm sorry, Elliott, you bowed out too soon. These are ships. I know he got to be hurt that he's.
01:14:40
Speaker 2: Not in the ecosystem a million of them.
01:14:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but even.
01:14:49
Speaker 3: Health man he is.
01:14:51
Speaker 1: I love it. But I'm wondering, like he was doing long form before long form was even put out into the world, Like this like his Crown series was phenomen but you went and you saw it in person, and it kind of never lived outside of the theaters and things that he did. And so I'm just I wish he was getting these opportunities. But also this brother right here. Eight.
01:15:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta move on.
01:15:13
Speaker 4: Maybe I got I got, I got three interviews with Jay and the can I'm very happy.
01:15:18
Speaker 3: Jason.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, Jason, where.
01:15:19
Speaker 3: Are those inn you gotta go? You have to keep do you do?
01:15:23
Speaker 1: You have access?
01:15:24
Speaker 3: One is.
01:15:26
Speaker 2: One is let me stop sharing my screen seconds. So yea one is what MTV news.
01:15:33
Speaker 4: But I still have it here in my files. I'm gonna I'm gonna find a way to release the whole.
01:15:36
Speaker 1: Nigga, release it all selective ignorance. We'll put it on the YouTube channel.
01:15:40
Speaker 2: My other my other two are for documentaries. I interviewed him for two documentaries.
01:15:45
Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, bro, and you you own the right, Stu, because if you're sitting on a Jay Z interview right now, why would you not be clipping that up and putting that out into the world.
01:15:53
Speaker 3: Are you able?
01:15:55
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with that.
01:15:57
Speaker 4: I was gonna do, so it was it was based around American gangster and so I was going to do it for an American gangster interview, uh like anniversary, and I was gonna probably like talk to like Guru and a couple other people, like a few a few years ago and just a few years ago when it was like pandemic, I was like, Oh, I'll do it as an n FT and sell it this way.
01:16:14
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out, like what way you want to thankfully, but if you if you put it on a blockchain.
01:16:23
Speaker 1: I do clip specifically from the jay Z interview. I would love for us to dissect it before we get out of here.
01:16:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go, y'all.
01:16:32
Speaker 7: This idea we were talking about about just doing things the right way, even when that comes to like attaining wealth and continue into a mass wealth. We're talking about b sides. One of your illness lines to me is face to the ceiling, race to a billion heaven on Earth? Was a wing still fit them? So what's the answer to that question? Is it a constant struggle to maintain.
01:16:55
Speaker 8: Your morality defines who you are, not not what you've attained. It's not a dollar amount that changes. And if so, what is that dollar amount. When does the start Is it one hundred thousand, fifty, Like, at what point it's if it's a cutoff, if it's like all all the million is a bad okay, So at nine hundred and ninety nine thousand, I'm good. This good, right, it won't make any sense. The system is set up against me, against us. When I'm talking about my specific struggle, everything was against me. My talent, not taking advantage of people, not taking the advantage of the system, not creating tax loopholes, not just taken from other people. No, my talent pushed against all the headwind and with that success, I've done things with my reach that I wanted to do that was helpful for a lot of people. And with the system that we have, what are you going to do?
01:18:00
Speaker 2: Because I don't I.
01:18:00
Speaker 8: Don't believe in that that the idea that someone has a certain amount of money if it defines their personality.
01:18:08
Speaker 7: So when you have like an example like that versus like the kind of I would say, commonplace public perception that someone would say all billionaires are bad or you don't want should have a billion dollars, Like what's the tension?
01:18:20
Speaker 8: And that I got to give you the honest answers.
01:18:22
Speaker 3: Please, there's no tension.
01:18:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't give.
01:18:27
Speaker 8: You can believe what you want to believe or you know, and people behave the way they want to behave you.
01:18:33
Speaker 3: Got here, what's who you was? For you guy here, that's the makeup of your person.
01:18:39
Speaker 5: I say that quote all the time you was here, it was before you got that's one of his name To me though, to.
01:18:44
Speaker 1: Me though, it is it's so interesting because I love what you said. Is it one hundred thousand? One hundred and fifty thousand. The way we start viewing people because of the money they've they've made, it's almost like they had to do something fucked up to do that or to get there. And for me growing up, the idea is always that you want to make the money to get to get your mama house, to get out the hoods. We have this idea of wanting to obtain wealth so bad. I don't understand why we have the negative stigma on someone who's attained wealth.
01:19:16
Speaker 3: I think he king.
01:19:17
Speaker 4: I need you to check the archives and make sure she said that same exact thing when we had the billionaire conversation.
01:19:23
Speaker 1: I want to be a billionaire and no, but that's I've always defend that I.
01:19:27
Speaker 2: Am a job. We had a billionaire episode, y'all know, Yeah.
01:19:30
Speaker 1: Y'all know that. But I'm a capitalist and that's why I wanted to sit with Antinnette. She's anti capitalist and doesn't believe anyone should make a certain amount of money because it should just be distributed amongst people. But like, now, bruh, I worked hard to motherfucking get here. My talent got me here, like, and then when I got here, I got to do what I wanted to do. That's literally it's the American dream that now people are being shunned for attaining.
01:19:52
Speaker 5: But these people are billionaires and they create ecosystem to Jay's point, that helps other people obtain whatever they do.
01:20:00
Speaker 1: But apparently you never people. People are upset I think.
01:20:09
Speaker 3: Because there's I don't think it's just it's two things. I don't think. It's just as flat the surface as that of like.
01:20:18
Speaker 5: A like we talked about the American dream, Like the American dream is like a bogus concept. It is so like I don't put any to me, Like, yeah, we all grew up hearing about the American dream, get a house, get people, the whole dog the whole thing, and it's like, yeah, but that's all bullshit because right now, like there's so many people who can't even attain half of that because of how capitalism has distorted the markets and function over and people got fucked over out of that American dream house that they bought during the real estate rome and that they lost that ship instantly because predatory.
01:20:51
Speaker 3: Loans and all that. That's all part of the same system. So like, I can't just look at it and be like, yeah, this is just how it goes. I think when it comes.
01:21:00
Speaker 5: I think what Jay has on his side to some degree is that like his business and his wealth and his influence is like you said, it is based on his talent, and he took that talent and did big business with big corporations to get rich. But everyone who has gotten a billion dollars isn't like that. Everyone didn't get a billion dollars off of rapping in Champagne. Some people got billion dollars off of fucking over little kids and having them build computer chips and shit for pennies overseas and blood diamonds and all kind of shit that people got rich from. So like the idea that I just made my money and there's not a dollar amount. No, there's no dollar amount. But like you watched old Tupac interviews, Tupac felt the exact opposite of jay Z. Tupac has an iconic interview clip from MTV News from the I don't know if it was the nineties or the late eighties, when he's talking about this exact concept that no nobody needs this amount of money.
01:21:55
Speaker 3: There's people starving.
01:21:56
Speaker 5: Woot the woot the woop they should you can do other things aside from half twenty houses in twenty five cars and thirty five yachts and all of this other shit. So this concept, even though it's become more popular in the mainstream via Bernie Sanders and AOC and certain further left politics, this is a new concept at all for me personally.
01:22:16
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily like hardcore anti billionaire.
01:22:19
Speaker 5: But I've always said for at least fifteen to twenty years now that capitalism needs a tweak of some kind to make more even distribution of resources, because it's just unnecessary for in this country that's supposed to be the richest, most powerful, for it to be fucked up in certain ways that it's fucked.
01:22:37
Speaker 1: Up well, and that's the thing cool. We can acknowledge that there may need to be a tweak. But what he also did was say, I did this in a system that, yeah, we all hate, but this is the system that we are a part of that probably isn't gonna change in our lifetime. And so whatever things I have to go against, I don't win against the God to where I need to. That's true, you can too, but don't sit here and shun me because I navigated in the system for me in a way that was morally sound, that didn't sit here, and I didn't rib people, I didn't steal from the.
01:23:07
Speaker 5: Money from projects, you know what I mean. He didn't know that he was going to be the totality of the docket for him. Yeah, he pushed through so many boundaries and so many obstacles to get to where he.
01:23:18
Speaker 1: And I love that. His wife said, now get your ass back on stage. You'll think that right now. Enough behind the scenes. Ship, you see how I went back on that motherfucker.
01:23:33
Speaker 3: Stage, pick up that microphone and say some rhymes can.
01:23:36
Speaker 1: Get your ass on that stage. I love this interview. I'm not a I'm not a huge fan of his music. I didn't grow up on it.
01:23:46
Speaker 3: That's just not me.
01:23:47
Speaker 1: But I will say this interview made me like the I was like, I like, I like his mind.
01:23:54
Speaker 5: Well, jay Z represents an interesting concept that's in society right now right because of course for biggas that love rap music and that love his music, like, his talent is why we fuck with him. And part of his talent was putting the idea of one million, two million, three million, four like that was him getting money and him being a businessman not a business man, is part of the DNA that makes people love jay Z, that huskar of the Lord. But society has changed in a lot of ways in the last ten years that don't really hardcore align with that ethos anymore. So people are wrestling. I had this conversation with other friends. People are wrestling with that concept. People who are kind of anti capitalists, people who are moving further left on the political and ideological scale are looking at this music.
01:24:46
Speaker 3: I had conversations all.
01:24:47
Speaker 5: Week in group chats, so people that love jay Z's music, that are spending their last dollars to go through this concert, who also.
01:24:53
Speaker 3: Hate every single thing he said, yeah, and like.
01:24:56
Speaker 5: That's the dichotomy of like we talked about Usher being human, like that's kind of where we are.
01:25:00
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone wants to cancel.
01:25:02
Speaker 5: Jay Z, but the disappointment that people are dealing with in their own ideology is changing and still loving this man and his music is like bumping up against each other in a real way.
01:25:15
Speaker 2: And I think, I think, yeah, I think Jay's keenly aware of that too.
01:25:21
Speaker 4: Like I think a lot of the discussion he's having is trying to like protect his legacy. And I think he realized hear him, You hear him when he says, like I didn't go through like a tax hole loops, Like he knows the way that other people have become billionaires, and he's trying to draw the distinction between them and him, right, So he's trying to channel all the reasons that we previously had sheered for him.
01:25:41
Speaker 2: So even though things are changing.
01:25:42
Speaker 4: Fast, he's trying to like align it, like with the way I got it within the system as exists was cleaner than them, right.
01:25:50
Speaker 2: And so like you know, I think that's why people like the interview.
01:25:53
Speaker 4: Like Jay's he's a storyteller, right, Like he's a rapper's a storyteller, and I think he's also like as comfortable as he's ever been in this and so when he talks and he explains it like it's full like charisma coming out. He doesn't speak often, so we're cheering him on and it's and I hate being like two things can be true at the same time, but it is one of those things where it's like he's he's he's proud of his history and he's not trying to let like today's view kind of dent what he did in the past.
01:26:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that interview is basically they not like us in like a spoken word for like that's that's the line that he's drawn, is that like, sure, Elon Musk and Zuckerberg and some of these other people might have gotten their money through suspect waves or.
01:26:39
Speaker 3: Ill gotten games or done ship that is unethical.
01:26:43
Speaker 2: And are not giving it back. We could debate how much he gives back or not.
01:26:47
Speaker 3: Sure, certainly he's.
01:26:50
Speaker 5: Doing things he is he's obviously helping people, because like that's I believe in when he says they are helping people.
01:26:56
Speaker 1: I would I would like to see more sit down with him. I like it was good. Also, though I don't know what more we can get get quick? Two. What are your thoughts?
01:27:06
Speaker 8: Uh?
01:27:07
Speaker 1: Only because I saw it, and this will be my last question to wrap this up. Uh, what are your thoughts? I saw someone tweet that if he if he was going to give a sit down. I know he gave it to g Q. But someone was like, Bleak has.
01:27:19
Speaker 2: A b Yeah, Bleek responded, you saw, Bleak responded.
01:27:23
Speaker 1: Wait, Bleak did respond to that? No, what was Ba's respond.
01:27:25
Speaker 2: Hold on, I got to tweet.
01:27:27
Speaker 1: I didn't know if y'all saw that, And what's your thoughts?
01:27:29
Speaker 3: I saw that.
01:27:29
Speaker 4: I saw, and I'm like, interesting, ble Bleak tweeted and said, GQ versus podcast is really a conversation question mark journalism versus homie talking ship.
01:27:40
Speaker 2: We're serious out here, question Mark all the beggars out there. He put whip.
01:27:45
Speaker 4: I guess it was an auto correct era and you see why and he's just a bunch of laughing at the moment.
01:27:50
Speaker 5: He's right, right, Yeah, I was right, And I will say in my bias and they're not even biased. Bro, this is I'm gonna say the ship because they he that was I think that was rage first client ever. You know what, I mean, I don't think there's many podcasts that could sit down with Jason, and that's the one, the one that could probably sit down.
01:28:08
Speaker 3: With them and died in uh December twenty twenty seventeen. In my opinion, long Live combat.
01:28:14
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying as far as that depth that in that regard, I do agree with Bleak like that's his dog Like, Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be a five hour conversation to about a bunch of ignorant ship.
01:28:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, listen Bleak conversations.
01:28:27
Speaker 5: Ye, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind seeing jay Z some ignorant ship though with Bleak. Though I don't want to see him doingans with nobody Bleak for sure.
01:28:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see jay Z toll Bleak to his face. Nigga, he wasn't working how you need it to work.
01:28:41
Speaker 5: You know, if I would, you know what I mean, I would definitely say that you would be like, you ain't want to I would.
01:28:46
Speaker 3: If I was j I'd be like, so's the hit. Now? You always say that he was one hitter. He always stayed with Bleak.
01:28:52
Speaker 2: Bleak be throwing the darts at himself on the fire I love that.
01:28:55
Speaker 5: I love that about it very self, very humilian. Yeah yeah, self a milion shout out bleak.
01:29:00
Speaker 1: All right, any any final thoughts or takeaways on these topics today.
01:29:04
Speaker 4: We have said, we still haven't said, we make sure you go to the rally that we're holding for ourselves.
01:29:12
Speaker 5: We are not holding the candle the candlelight visual for the Russell's social media career.
01:29:18
Speaker 3: We ain't touch on those sports.
01:29:19
Speaker 1: We can do that on the bonus episode.
01:29:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know this is not a sports podcast.
01:29:23
Speaker 1: This is not a sports podcast.
01:29:25
Speaker 3: You know what.
01:29:25
Speaker 1: This was a this was a light week. There's not much in sports. I think we can talk about t LC Chili. There's a sports thing you wanted to talk about about?
01:29:36
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Cam and Cam and Stephen A Smith and the betrayal. Interesting that that's just some dynamics.
01:29:43
Speaker 1: A few things we could get to.
01:29:44
Speaker 3: I mean, so we'll save it from the product. I love that you are you back to you know, the natural by the way, is growing quick.
01:29:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like nigga, I might have to learn you might have to teach me how.
01:29:56
Speaker 4: To do the.
01:29:59
Speaker 3: I kind of want to see you were like a curl, like.
01:30:03
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. Did you forget I'm half white, a curl you think?
01:30:09
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.
01:30:10
Speaker 1: No, this is like Caucaus mountains, this is this is I'm very straight hair. I'm very straight hair, not really curly.
01:30:20
Speaker 3: I think the roster and you will outweigh the caucasusness.
01:30:23
Speaker 1: I've had this hair all my life. I'm telling you, I'm telling you what I know what's gonna do. But yeah, y'all tune into our bonus episode Friday. We'll get to a couple more topics that we didn't get to get to today. Jason, I'm sure won't be on it. We only get him part time, y'all know. Uh, he's part time over here.
01:30:44
Speaker 3: How's that early morning going for you? That's good.
01:30:48
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time.
01:30:49
Speaker 1: Waking up is not.
01:30:50
Speaker 2: The hard part. Is going to sleep early enough. That's the hard part. That's the challenge. Having a good time.
01:30:58
Speaker 3: Man.
01:30:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, you working that's a lot. I don't know if I could do that Monday through Friday, fresh you know, Jason right now, technically only got one day off a week, and that's Saturday. Yes, you work a Sunday through Friday between here and Hot ninety seven.
01:31:14
Speaker 3: When he become a billion Who have you helped you help up? What have you done to sinst the people were struggling?
01:31:25
Speaker 1: Well, y'all, hope y'all enjoyed this episode and the nuance that it brought to our discussions around all of the selective outrage around these things. My my takeaway would be like, bro, look at these people as human. When you have something to say about somebody, think of if or how you've ever been in that same position and how you responded. Okay, well, y'all, this is another episode of selective Ignorance. Y'all know, I gotta read it where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. So you and next week he Selective Ignorance a production of the Black Effect podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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