Happy Pride with Guest Katharine Saneaha

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You know what I noticed from last week's episode?
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Yeah, what's up?
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Oh, did I interrupt your new line?
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Yeah, look at my eyes, they're all watery now.
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I'm puffy, too.
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I know, very puffy.
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So you know what I noticed from last week's episode as I was listening to it, just you know, for quality control, but I still am entertained by our content.
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Okay.
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I noticed I said a lot of bad swears.
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You do swear a lot.
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I know, but this was like really like I'm really gonna make an honest effort not to fucking swear.
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Oh.
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Did I do that on by purpose?
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You do the cookie jar.
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What's oh, put a dollar and a loony in the cookie jar?
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Yeah.
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No.
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No.
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Well, A, I don't carry cash, so does the jar accept debit?
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Yes, sure.
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That's a good idea.
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So we're in uh we're in Pride Month.
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We are happy Pride month.
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Happy Pride, everyone.
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Um I've got a t-shirt on right now.
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You do.
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You made some pretty spiffy t-shirts.
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I did.
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I designed this all all on my own.
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All well, what do you but hold on?
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What I think I that was part of a conversation that we had.
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It was, but I designed the t-shirt.
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You did design the t-shirt.
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Okay, so just for the just because we're not a video podcast, Sadie and I have spoken about we speak a lot.
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About doing a pride t-shirt with a flamingo on it because a group of flamingos is called a pride?
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Oh my god.
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A group of flamingos is called a flamboyance.
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I know what's so I just I'm gonna put it up on our TikTok page.
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I'm gonna put it up on our TikTok page.
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So it's a flamingo with sunglasses on.
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Yes.
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Wearing a pride t-shirt.
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I think you're gonna get some orders.
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They weren't cheap, to be honest.
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But I I you know what I am, I do expect like because all well, you can't make it, which we're gonna get into because you're just so busy.
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Muffy.
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I'm too busy for the parade.
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Stop.
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So no, we're uh if somebody does ask I guarantee you somebody's gonna say, hey man, where'd you get that t-shirt?
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Yeah, no, they're cool.
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And I'm gonna say, I I did it myself, and they're$120.
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And you and the whole family are gonna go to the room.
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We're all there's gonna be like, I think, five, six, seven, eight of us all wearing pri these t-shirts.
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I won't be there.
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Well, you could be if you weren't so important.
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No, what time are you going?
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Like uh it starts tomorrow at like 10 a.m.
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Yeah.
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It's like 10 and then all afternoon.
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I think it goes into the evening.
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Last year, the evening part wasn't very good.
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Nobody showed up.
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I think everybody was exhausted from the daytime part.
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But uh regardless, we're gonna celebrate Pride.
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And today we've got a guest on the show.
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We do.
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So we're gonna get into our guests in just a few minutes.
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Um, I did want to play a game.
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Do you want to play a quick game?
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It's a TikTok trend.
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If I say no, are we still gonna play?
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Well, this kind of feeds Yes, of course we are.
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Then absolutely do I ever want to play a game, Scott.
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This feeds into uh your history.
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My history.
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Of being a world famous comedian actress.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You look so impressed with yourself right now.
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I'm not.
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I'm not.
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You are very impressed with it.
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I suck at my computer, I suck at the buttons.
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No, you have this little grin.
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Like you made an amazing game.
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I did, it's fun.
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I know, I could tell by your life.
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But I didn't create it.
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Okay.
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I'm stealing it from TikTok, but everybody does it.
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So it's a TikTok trend.
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Okay.
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We love trends.
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We're going to um we're gonna kind of like go into your skills as a former famous comedian.
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You know I hate doing this, Scott.
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Alright, so I'm gonna give you a sentence and I'm gonna give you an emotion, and you have to do it.
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Like, oh, are you talking about the the the gay brother and on TikTok?
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The really flamboyant man, and he goes he does all those skits with his brother.
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No.
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Oh god, I I don't even know if I uh have their name.
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Oh, it's so funny.
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Anyway, that's it.
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All right, so we'll look it up in a second, but I'm gonna give you a phrase and I'm gonna give you the way that you have to act it out.
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And you're not allowed to embellish the sentence.
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This is just one sentence.
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And the sentence is I just shit my pants.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I'm gonna you you gotta dig deep back into acting so.
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Oh, I'm I'm digging deep.
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You're on the set of Love You Like Christmas, starring Sadie and I'm gonna be able to do it.
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The only one that you mentioned Well, there's other ones I can't mention.
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Okay.
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Um, because of copyright and or other things.
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Okay.
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Uh, but Love You Like Christmas is my favorite Christmas movie.
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All right, so I just shit my pants.
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I want you to say it angry.
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Be angry.
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I just shit my pants.
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Angry, very good.
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Okay, now be confused.
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I just shit I just shit my pants.
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Do it that you're proud of it.
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You're proud.
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I just shit my pants.
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Okay, do it like a do it like a news anchor.
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A news anchor.
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I like twitching.
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Okay, okay.
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Uh I just shit my pants.
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Now do it seductively.
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I just shit my pants.
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Okay, now you last one.
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Do it like you're a customer service person.
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I just shit my pants.
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I don't even know what that means.
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Like a customer service voice, you know, on the you know, thank you for calling.
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Oh, oh, okay.
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I just shit my pants.
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I don't know.
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That one's weird.
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That one's weird.
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I don't particularly press one for shitting your pants.
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Press two for taking a doo-doo.
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Can you imagine cousin?
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I don't know what this has to do with our Pride Week episode.
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Thank you for playing that game with me.
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No problem.
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No problem at all.
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All right, let's.
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Alright, are you ready to start?
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Yeah.
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Welcome everyone to Oh god, I sounded like a strip joint DJ again.
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Yeah, you did.
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Welcome.
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That's the that's you should make me say.
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Yeah.
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Welcome everyone to that sounded better.
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Welcome everyone to Sadie and Scott.
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Maybe I'll do it angry.
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Welcome everyone to Sadie and Scott.
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Uh my name is Scott.
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I'm one of your hosts.
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I'm Sadie, the other one.
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Hi, Sadie.
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Hi, Scott.
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It's Pride Month.
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It is.
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Happy Pride.
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Happy Pride.
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I am so excited to go down to our local pride parade.
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You are.
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Yeah.
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Um, honestly, like the um you just never like you never think that things like this would go on in a little town, but it's it's just all across Ontario anyway.
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Yeah.
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Um, and we're gonna meet some of our friends down there.
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We're all wearing the same t-shirts.
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But we've also got a very special guest on the show today.
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We do.
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Yes.
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Yes, we do.
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Let's get into it.
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Okay.
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It's time to bring on our guest.
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All right, let's do it.
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Are you excited?
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I am always excited to meet some new peeps.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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I hate people.
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I know you do.
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No, I love people.
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No, you don't.
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I pretend you like, you know, you pr well actually, yes, you do, but then you're you you have this grumpy thing that you like.
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It doesn't matter.
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People are people gravitate to me.
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They do because of my size.
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Yeah.
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They do.
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Because they're terrified of you.
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No, because they want they want a big bear hood.
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Not in that from back.
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Not in that flamboyant shirt you're wearing, though.
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Well, yes, when we mentioned I'm wearing my pride t-shirt, which goes right in line with our guest.
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It does.
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Today we're joined by Catherine Sanea, the creator uh behind all things mummy on TikTok.
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Sweet.
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Uh Catherine shares life with her wife Anna and their two kids, uh, giving people a fun, honest, and heartwarming look at parenting family life and what it means to be part of a two-mom family.
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Since it's Pride Month, we thought Catherine would be the perfect guest to talk about love, representation, raising kids, family chaos, which we all go through.
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Yes, we do.
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I don't, my kid's old.
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Yeah.
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And how pride takes off uh sorry, how pride takes on a whole new meaning uh when you're celebrating it as a family.
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Yeah.
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Uh Catherine, we're so happy to have you here.
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Welcome to Sadie and Scott.
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How are you?
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Hi, thanks for having me.
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Okay, so let's start off with Happy Pride.
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Thank you.
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That never gets old.
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Even if we're in the middle of June, it doesn't get old.
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It is.
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And this episode will actually air in about five days, which will be right towards the end, just before Toronto Pride.
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So which is the big one.
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Hopefully we have yeah, hopefully we've got some people listening and they can join you on your TikTok and and because I believe you and Anna are going to go to Toronto Pride.
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Or you've already been to Toronto Pride.
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We're not that brave, okay?
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We are not that brave.
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We are too tired for that crowd.
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But we went to some pre-Pride events last weekend, which was like the St.
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Lawrence Market.
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Like that's our speed.
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You know, we want to be with the gays, picking out fresh cheeses, like we can't do the church street thing, okay?
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A little too chaotic.
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Cheese and the gays.
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Love it.
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Cheese and the gays.
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All right.
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It's a beautiful combo.
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It's a beautiful combo.
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Joe and I had a gay couple that used to live beside us when we were lived in Scarborough, as my mom calls it.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and we asked them once, you know, are you guys going down to Pride?
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And and one of them was like, Why the fuck would I want to go down there?
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There's too many weirdos.
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Meanwhile, he owned a bar on Church Street that was the bathhouse in the back.
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Oh no.
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Swear to God.
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Loves the business.
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Doesn't need to be there.
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He wanted to make money, not spend it and be.
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But he did, they were just like they were a well, you and Anna are a um a suburb family.
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Like sometimes you just don't want to go to the city.
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We live out in the middle of nowhere.
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Yeah.
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You know, BF Ontario Coburg, but you you're a little bit closer to Toronto.
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Yeah.
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But you guys are suburbanites.
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Like going downtown must be like it's an endeavor.
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Well, we have two two young kids, too, right?
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You gotta get the babysitter, then what are you gonna, you know, do you want to have a lot of people?
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Like the babysitter's a whole thing, okay?
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Like, and you have to use your babysitter wisely.
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And it's not gonna be to like be driving downtown.
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You know, I think in our 20s, we were there, we were it was so fun.
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And in your 20s, and when you're coming out and you're in that transition, pride on church street in Toronto is everything, it's your moment, right?
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It's what you face adversity for, and now it's like, okay, the jig is out.
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Like, I'm 36, it's been 18 years, you know.
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Like I'm good and I support it, and you know, I love everybody going down and being part of it, but I can appreciate from a distance.
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So, speaking on, you know, coming out, how how when did you come out?
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How old were you?
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I was 18.
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Did you always know?
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Yeah, I mean, I think hindsight is 2020.
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And my mom, when I came out, and there wasn't this like big formal moment, yeah.
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She was like, Yeah, we were waiting.
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Like, yeah, we saw the signs.
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Yeah, and now when I look back, I'm like, oh, my best friend in grade six is definitely a lesbian today, and there was my warning, and it was you know in bright red colors.
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Yeah.
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And so I think I always knew.
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And one of the tells was I just like wasn't boy crazy.
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And even though in high school, you know, I had a boyfriend and I gave it my all, and when my friends were having experiences in love and in dating, you know, those experiences weren't mine experiences.
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And it wasn't until actually the L-word, which shaped all young lesbians, really helped me understand my identity.
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And then it was actually in grade 12 in high school where I had my first girlfriend and I was exploring, and I realized like this is who I am, and this is going to be, you know, my new life, and my parents were so supportive.
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And whether they were having their own hesitations or confusion, they kept all of that to themselves, and on the surface, it was love and support.
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Right.
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That's good parenting, right there.
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It certainly is.
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And and shortly, so shortly after coming out, you met Anna online, I believe.
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Like you weren't too you were about 20, 21 when you guys met.
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Yep.
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I was 21 years old, Anna was 25, and the joke is that lesbians mate for life.
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Like you find your person, and we're penguins, literally, we're penguins, we met, we mate for life.
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So I met Anna when I was 21.
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She was 25.
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The great thing is that we had already had experiences coming out.
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We have, you know, lived through the hard part already.
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And so when we met each other, we could just focus on being in love in our relationship, where when you're first coming out, you know, those first girlfriends, those first years are hard, right?
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You're finding out who you are, they're finding out who they are.
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Maybe you're coming out to family and friends.
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And so to meet each other at a place where all of that was behind us, the hard stuff was over, it was beautiful.
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And yes, we met online and we met on a like a desktop computer.
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Like there, like we were BBMing.
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Like there was no app, there was no swiping.
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You had to like email each other.
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It was a whole different era of online dating.
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Actually, it's when you had to put the work in.
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Yeah, actually, Catherine's got a uh she has a pinned video on her TikTok that uh answers some of the questions that people have.
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Yeah.
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And I think you said it was plenty of fish.
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I don't even know.
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I think that's I've never used a dating app because I didn't need to.
00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:13.519
Oh God.
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My wife came after me.
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Oh, of course she did.
00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:18.000
I went after Anna.
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Well, so you guys met, and it you know what?
00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:28.639
This is where I think that there is such equality just across the board, which is basically two people fall in love, they want to get married.
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It's legal in Canada.
00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:30.879
Yeah.
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Fantastic.
00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:38.960
So take us through the journey to marriage and then also into um having the girls.
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Well, I think when I was coming out, something I really admire about my parents was they were like, okay, you're gonna love who you're gonna love.
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And you know, that's okay, but it cannot change the course of your life.
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You know, like you should still want the same values you've had up until this new identity, right?
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And it's you should want to find somebody who's gonna love you and support you.
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And, you know, you should buy a house and get married and have a career.
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The kids' idea came later, and I think it was just lack of exposure, not knowing that that was possible for us.
00:16:31.150 --> 00:16:33.789
So I mean It's also based on age a little bit too, right?
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I mean, you were you were very young.
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I mean, when I was 21, you know, I'm straight, but at 21, I wasn't thinking about kids.
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Well, the jury's still out on you, so shut up.
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Three kids later, we're still unsure.
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So we meet Anna and you know, we fall in love.
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And I think, you know, it was just natural.
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It was like, you know, we should get married.
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And at the time, we didn't know anybody, anybody gay that had been married, except for like Ellen de Generis.
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Okay, that was like, that was the key.
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That was the example.
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I was like, well, she can do it.
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And the beautiful thing about Anna and I is like, we believe wholeheartedly that we can do anything.
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So it's like, we want to get married, let's get married.
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It's legal, let's go for it.
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So we get engaged, and a big part of our coming out story is that my parents are there every step of the way.
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They're excited, they're supportive.
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And Anna unfortunately did not have the same experience.
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That's terrible.
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Yeah.
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So Anna came out multiple times.
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I think even on our wedding day, she was like still coming out, like, okay, we're really doing this.
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And Anna's parents, you know, being immigrants and coming to a country and just trying to survive, right?
00:17:39.150 --> 00:17:46.109
Trying to make a name for themselves, you know, gay couples, like that is not a part of the Southeast Asian culture, right?
00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:49.390
And they, and it was lack of exposure, not lack of understanding.
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And so I think at first they kind of thought it was a phase.
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They hoped Anna would grow out of it.
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Uh, when they came to partially realize that this is who my daughter is, she began to date women, she was introducing women to them, and they met me.
00:18:04.990 --> 00:18:08.509
And I think on the surface, they loved the idea of me, right?
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They were like, okay, you know, she's successful, she's ambitious, she has a great family, and yet deep down, they still didn't want that for Anna.
00:18:15.869 --> 00:18:18.670
And it wasn't about me, it's just they didn't want that for Anna.
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Yeah.
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So we are dating four years.
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Anna buys a ring.
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We had gone to Thailand in Vietnam to see my brother.
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He was living in Vietnam at the time, and she had asked everybody on my side of the family, when we get back, is it okay?
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I'm gonna propose.
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I have to everybody's excited.
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And actually, okay, she actually made a video of her asking everybody, even my brother on the beach in Thailand.
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It was beautiful.
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Oh, that's awesome.
00:18:42.669 --> 00:18:46.589
So we get back and we don't see Anna's parents for a couple months.
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And you know, we're busy, we're like in our 20s, so like that's not like totally unusual.
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And when it came to our engagement, which was like a fairy tale engagement, Anna's parents weren't there, and yet my family was there, and our friends were there.
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And later that night, you know, you're sitting and you're processing it all.
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And I realized and I said, Anna, like, where were your family?
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Like, why wasn't anybody here?
00:19:07.629 --> 00:19:15.549
And she actually shared that the day she told them that she had bought a ring and that she was gonna propose, it became too much for them.
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Oh it became too much.
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And for the next two years, as we planned our wedding, we actually planned the wedding anticipating Anne's parents not being there.
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And so that was very hard because we are in this most exciting time in our life.
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We're planning a wedding, you know, we're beating all the odds, we're showing the world you can do this, and we're doing this without Anna's parents.
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And it wasn't until like the 11th hour that they came on board, they were at the wedding.
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Nobody had a better time at the wedding than Anna's parents.
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Talk about a turn of events, like nobody was more proud.
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And since then, you know, we've just built this beautiful life and they are our number one supporters now.
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That's fantastic.
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That's amazing.
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And so they were obviously, were they the typical grandparents?
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Or sorry, were they the typical parents that were like, listen, gay or straight?
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I want to be a grandparent.
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So giddy up.
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No, no.
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I and I think again, like we didn't even know how it was gonna work.
00:20:13.549 --> 00:20:18.269
So try to explain to like two immigrants that barely speak English that two women are gonna have a baby.
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They were like, just tell me when the baby's here.
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Like and you know what?
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Like, that's out of my wheelhouse.
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Okay, like I, you know, trying to explain to them how all that was gonna work.
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I think that there was some hesitation, like, okay, once Anna became pregnant and you know, it was real in their eyes and it was really gonna happen, everything changed.
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And yeah, they're they're the best grandparents in the world.
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That would honestly be my that would be my first question.
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You know, if Liam was to come out of the uh come out as gay, and uh if he said, you know, I'm I'm getting married to a to a this boy I met.
00:20:56.429 --> 00:20:59.710
Okay, well, when are you having kids because I want to be a grandfather and need somebody to spoil?
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Yeah, don't take this away from me.
00:21:02.669 --> 00:21:07.309
Yeah, that would be like and you know, it's it that to me, I don't give a shit.
00:21:07.389 --> 00:21:10.909
Yeah, like you guys go well, whoever men would normally adopt, right?
00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:16.589
So or they would find a surrogate where you guys do you mind if I ask a question?
00:21:16.669 --> 00:21:22.750
And I don't know, you can don't have to answer this, but was the donor the same for both for both kids?
00:21:23.069 --> 00:21:26.429
Yeah, this is something we actually just recently started talking about.
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So they're not the same donor, and it's something that was a very heartbreaking experience for us because when we had Audrey, the plan always was to use the same donor.
00:21:38.349 --> 00:21:43.309
And the donor for Audrey is Caucasian, which is a beautiful representation of our family, right?
00:21:43.389 --> 00:21:51.710
So Audrey is half Caucasian and half Asian, and it was a bit of a conversation at first when we had the hopes to use that same donor.
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Because if I was to carry, there would no, there wouldn't be that half Asian representation.
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And so when the time came to have Chloe and we called the fertility clinic and they said, okay, get your decks in a row, you know, get the donor sample.
00:22:06.269 --> 00:22:08.349
The donor was out of stock.
00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:10.429
Okay, there was no sorry.
00:22:10.909 --> 00:22:17.230
Oh my god, I can't no that is so please allow four to six weeks for delivery.
00:22:17.629 --> 00:22:18.990
Literally like back ordered.
00:22:19.069 --> 00:22:22.269
So, like I'm gonna turn and I'm like, no, no, no, this can't be.
00:22:22.349 --> 00:22:32.669
Okay, so we get on the horn, and often with sperm banks, there's a private reserve where, okay, we're not donating, you know, to new families, but there's a private reserve for existing siblings, right?
00:22:32.909 --> 00:22:34.990
And so I'm like, okay, there must be a private reserve.
00:22:35.069 --> 00:22:41.389
So we get on the horn, and the sperm bank is like, no, sorry, like there's no inventory.
00:22:41.549 --> 00:22:45.549
And so having a second child was a big conversation, right?
00:22:45.789 --> 00:22:48.669
Because now they're not biologically related.
00:22:48.909 --> 00:22:50.509
And, you know, what does that look like?
00:22:50.669 --> 00:22:52.669
What do those conversations look like in the future?
00:22:52.909 --> 00:22:58.429
And you know, we decided to go forward, and it was a beautiful thing because we actually found a Lao donor.
00:22:58.750 --> 00:22:59.549
Oh, okay, that's good.
00:22:59.789 --> 00:23:00.429
A what donor?
00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:01.149
A Lao.
00:23:01.470 --> 00:23:03.789
Yeah, Anna's Lao, so she's from Laos, yeah.
00:23:04.109 --> 00:23:05.629
It's a country in EE State.
00:23:05.710 --> 00:23:08.190
So I thought you said a Lao.
00:23:09.629 --> 00:23:11.230
I didn't know what Laos was until I met him.
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Literally on the w western border of Vietnam.
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Laos.
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Laos.
00:23:15.869 --> 00:23:16.190
Yes.
00:23:16.429 --> 00:23:20.829
Yes, no, because I was gonna ask because Chloe does have um her eyes to represent.
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Uh Asian culture.
00:23:22.349 --> 00:23:26.029
So I was gonna ask if you had found somebody from Asia for a donor.
00:23:26.429 --> 00:23:26.589
Yeah.
00:23:26.909 --> 00:23:29.069
It is a perfect thing for the family.
00:23:29.470 --> 00:23:30.909
It actually worked out perfectly.
00:23:30.990 --> 00:23:33.389
You know, it was it was the universe's plan.
00:23:33.470 --> 00:23:36.990
So how old are how old are how old are your children?
00:23:37.470 --> 00:23:39.069
Five and three.
00:23:39.470 --> 00:23:48.589
Do you w do you have conversations with your wife about, you know, how are how are you going to speak to your children on this at you know what age?
00:23:48.669 --> 00:24:00.349
Like, I mean, those conversations are really big conversations you must have about what you're going to, you know, talk to your kids about and how they came to be here and and whatnot.
00:24:00.509 --> 00:24:03.149
Like, how do you broach that?
00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:04.589
That's a good question.
00:24:04.829 --> 00:24:05.069
Yeah.
00:24:05.389 --> 00:24:07.629
This is a conversation we never even had.
00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:10.589
The thing about Anna is we jump in two feet first, right?
00:24:10.750 --> 00:24:13.629
And so we knew the conversation was gonna find us.
00:24:13.789 --> 00:24:14.109
Of course.
00:24:14.509 --> 00:24:17.710
And it's it started a little bit with Audrey already.
00:24:17.789 --> 00:24:21.869
So Audrey, Anna stayed home until she was three years old, and then she went to preschool.
00:24:22.029 --> 00:24:24.509
And in those first three years, it was COVID.
00:24:24.669 --> 00:24:29.869
And so, you know, there wasn't a lot of exposure to family outside of our immediate circle.
00:24:30.109 --> 00:24:34.029
And so, of course, she watches television and you know, she sees dads.
00:24:34.109 --> 00:24:37.069
Like that's we're not trying to hide the fact that other people have dads.
00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:44.429
And so when she went to preschool, she started noticing, you know, dad's at pickup and dad's in this more like front-facing prominent role.
00:24:44.669 --> 00:24:47.230
And yet we still never brought it up, right?
00:24:47.309 --> 00:24:50.269
Like we just thought that conversation will find us when it's timed.
00:24:50.349 --> 00:24:52.349
And I'll never forget I was at a red light.
00:24:52.429 --> 00:24:54.349
I had just picked Audrey up from preschool.
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And she said to me, Mommy, why don't I have a dad?
00:24:59.230 --> 00:25:00.589
And I thought, oh my God, okay.
00:25:00.750 --> 00:25:02.829
And you just never know when those and that's parenthood.
00:25:02.909 --> 00:25:04.909
Like you just nothing prepares you.
00:25:04.990 --> 00:25:07.470
And so I said to her, Well, you have two moms.
00:25:07.549 --> 00:25:09.789
And she goes, Yeah, but where is my dad?
00:25:09.950 --> 00:25:14.429
And I said, You don't have a dad, you have two moms, and every family is different.
00:25:14.589 --> 00:25:18.589
And I got to pull on so many amazing examples, even with our immediate family.
00:25:18.669 --> 00:25:21.309
You know, Anna's brother-in-law is a single dad, right?
00:25:21.389 --> 00:25:24.269
And we have other two mom families in our circle.
00:25:24.509 --> 00:25:33.869
And so at that time, at three years old, what was relevant in her mind and what was age appropriate was that there's so many different ways to make a family, right?
00:25:34.109 --> 00:25:37.629
And so right now, Audrey knows that you can have two moms, you can have one dad.
00:25:37.710 --> 00:25:39.950
You know, she has friends at school that have one mom.
00:25:40.109 --> 00:25:43.389
And so she sees uniqueness in family.
00:25:43.629 --> 00:25:49.869
She has not asked yet, and I don't think she understands how families come to be and how life comes to be.
00:25:50.109 --> 00:25:50.349
Of course.
00:25:50.829 --> 00:25:54.269
That question is on the horizon, and I know that that question is coming.
00:25:54.349 --> 00:25:54.509
Yeah.
00:25:54.829 --> 00:26:01.309
And, you know, we're gonna be as honest as we can appropriate for her, you know, at five or six years old, right?
00:26:01.389 --> 00:26:07.069
Like we had helped making our family, and there was someone very special that helped us make our family.
00:26:07.230 --> 00:26:13.869
And the beautiful thing about sperm donors is that when you're going through a fertility clinic, you have two options.
00:26:14.029 --> 00:26:18.829
You can choose a donor who legally you cannot contact.
00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:19.309
Okay.
00:26:19.549 --> 00:26:22.109
So you cannot have any contact with them.
00:26:22.349 --> 00:26:25.149
Uh, you know, there's no rights there.
00:26:25.389 --> 00:26:34.909
Or you can choose a donor that says, yes, you know what, in the right circumstance, in the right chain of command through lawyers and through the fertility clinic, you are welcome to contact me.
00:26:35.069 --> 00:26:40.190
And we chose donors that have open contact because who am I to close that door for my daughters?
00:26:40.349 --> 00:26:40.589
Of course.
00:26:40.829 --> 00:26:41.710
You know, who am I?
00:26:41.869 --> 00:26:46.589
Everybody has that wonder of, you know, where did I come from and what is beyond me?
00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:52.109
And if at 18 that wonder is there, they are welcome to go and take that journey.
00:26:52.349 --> 00:26:58.190
And it doesn't mean that the donor will respond or provide all the information they're hoping for, but that window is there.
00:26:58.429 --> 00:27:06.029
Will you wait till your children uh to your girls ask you that, or will you offer that information to them when they become of a legal age?
00:27:06.429 --> 00:27:09.230
I think that conversation is probably gonna happen in the next couple of years.
00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:09.710
Oh, really?
00:27:09.950 --> 00:27:18.829
I think that, you know, as they're having sex ed and as they're talking about life and conception, I think that that conversation is going to have to happen.
00:27:19.069 --> 00:27:21.789
And I'm excited for that conversation because they should know.
00:27:21.869 --> 00:27:24.029
And there's no shame in how we made our family.
00:27:24.190 --> 00:27:24.589
Yeah.
00:27:24.909 --> 00:27:25.470
None at all.
00:27:25.549 --> 00:27:28.029
You it's not something you hide, it's something you celebrate.
00:27:28.190 --> 00:27:28.509
Yeah.
00:27:28.750 --> 00:27:29.069
Yes.
00:27:29.389 --> 00:27:42.750
And if the girls, if Audre and Chloe want to go at 18 and pursue it themselves, they're already going to be mentally prepared for the fact that this man may not want to be part of my life because he wasn't part of the equation to begin with.
00:27:42.829 --> 00:27:44.589
He was just simply a donor.
00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:45.069
Yeah.
00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:51.549
But it also allows them to be able to look at a face and go, Oh, you've got I've got your ears, I've got your nose.
00:27:52.349 --> 00:27:53.629
And there's so many photos.
00:27:53.710 --> 00:27:59.389
Oh, guys, and I don't even know if there's interest in me telling you like how you can choose the donor because it's like online dating.
00:27:59.470 --> 00:28:00.190
It's wild.
00:28:00.349 --> 00:28:00.750
Really?
00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:07.149
But we have a variety of photos of uh the donor from baby to adulthood.
00:28:07.629 --> 00:28:09.869
And so, yes, yes.
00:28:09.950 --> 00:28:15.069
Uh, and one of our boundaries is that nobody in our personal life has seen photos of the donor.
00:28:15.950 --> 00:28:18.190
So that's something that's like very personal for us.
00:28:18.349 --> 00:28:24.190
But we can't wait to show the kids one day because even now, as the kids are growing, we're starting to see those features, right?
00:28:24.589 --> 00:28:33.149
Yeah, and so uh yeah, all of that information is there, and you know, photos are there, and and it's just about when the time is right.
00:28:34.990 --> 00:28:36.589
Nobody's ever asked me to be a donor.
00:28:38.190 --> 00:28:40.589
I think it, I think, I think it's too late, Scott.
00:28:41.069 --> 00:28:45.149
Well, it's never too late for men, but it is too late for okay.
00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:56.829
So let's get into we've got we've got the kids now, and I want to touch a little bit on your online activity, which is like this great um uh platform that is TikTok.
00:28:57.069 --> 00:28:57.789
It can be very good.
00:28:57.869 --> 00:29:00.829
It can also be very, very Yeah, I was gonna say you might Yeah.
00:29:01.230 --> 00:29:09.470
What made you decide to kind of document or chronicle your life as a two-mom family, which is literally in your username?
00:29:09.629 --> 00:29:12.509
Um, what made you decide to kind of and how long have you been doing TikTok?
00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:14.429
I think it's you know has it been years?
00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:15.710
Like I I've got to.
00:29:16.269 --> 00:29:16.909
Hold on, pause.
00:29:17.069 --> 00:29:18.349
You didn't call it the TikTok.
00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:19.710
Oh, sorry, the TikTok.
00:29:20.029 --> 00:29:21.389
Growth, God, growth.
00:29:21.549 --> 00:29:22.669
Oh yes, growth.
00:29:22.909 --> 00:29:28.669
So so let's start let's let's take it take us through your TikTok journey because that's where I've I first met you.
00:29:28.909 --> 00:29:30.589
I was like, oh, she's my BFF.
00:29:30.669 --> 00:29:31.869
She's totally coming to Cobert.
00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:32.589
I'm hanging out.
00:29:32.829 --> 00:29:34.429
Oh yeah, I'm totally doing the pod.
00:29:34.669 --> 00:29:35.710
Like, of course.
00:29:36.029 --> 00:29:40.909
Yeah, but although I had to comment a couple of times on other videos, hey, did you see my DM?
00:29:40.990 --> 00:29:41.869
I'm not a creep.
00:29:42.429 --> 00:29:45.389
God, you unlocked a whole side of TikTok.
00:29:45.470 --> 00:29:47.389
I didn't know that there was message requests.
00:29:47.629 --> 00:29:52.509
Oh, do you have like 45 sugar daddies asking if they can 75,000 followers?
00:29:56.029 --> 00:29:56.429
Yep.
00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:57.869
I had no idea.
00:29:58.029 --> 00:29:59.149
So, you know, 36.
00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:00.029
I'm still learning too.
00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:01.470
So, so 50.
00:30:01.549 --> 00:30:05.149
And then the 51st is like I need to get on the TikTok.
00:30:05.629 --> 00:30:06.909
Oh, jeez, Sadie.
00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:07.789
I need to get on the TikTok.
00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:10.589
You just need to be on the TikTok because it's where all the cool kids hang out.
00:30:10.829 --> 00:30:11.950
Sadie's not on TikTok?
00:30:12.109 --> 00:30:14.190
Um I I you know, no, I'm not.
00:30:14.509 --> 00:30:15.389
She's too busy.
00:30:15.869 --> 00:30:16.990
I just I'm old.
00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:18.349
I don't know.
00:30:18.589 --> 00:30:20.669
I'm 76 years old and I'm on TikTok.
00:30:21.309 --> 00:30:22.269
I do Facebook.
00:30:22.829 --> 00:30:23.389
It's so old.
00:30:23.549 --> 00:30:23.710
I know.
00:30:23.789 --> 00:30:25.149
That's why you're a pentageny.
00:30:25.389 --> 00:30:26.109
That's how old I am.
00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:26.349
I know.
00:30:26.509 --> 00:30:27.789
TikTok seems overwhelming to me.
00:30:28.029 --> 00:30:28.509
No, it doesn't.
00:30:28.589 --> 00:30:28.750
Okay.
00:30:28.909 --> 00:30:30.349
No, it's fucking addictive though.
00:30:30.589 --> 00:30:31.549
It really, really is.
00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:33.149
It's you just, oh my God.
00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:35.710
Like I've been I've I've smoked like five cigarettes.
00:30:35.789 --> 00:30:36.509
I gotta get inside.
00:30:36.589 --> 00:30:38.269
I've been to what the hell is going on?
00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:40.589
I need to make this recipe and I need to go to this restaurant.
00:30:41.869 --> 00:30:44.829
I gotta send these 42 to my wife while she's sending me 42.
00:30:44.990 --> 00:30:46.109
So let's go to your TikTok journey.
00:30:46.589 --> 00:30:46.829
Language.
00:30:47.069 --> 00:30:48.029
What was your thought process?
00:30:48.109 --> 00:30:52.909
Like, was it something that you started off with like, come with me as I go to Costco?
00:30:53.069 --> 00:30:59.149
Or is it, hey, I'm gonna start a TikTok channel and it's gonna be about a two-mom family and it's gonna help people learn.
00:30:59.549 --> 00:30:59.869
No.
00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:00.509
Oh, okay.
00:31:00.669 --> 00:31:05.869
So, okay, so first let's start in my social journey and it because it didn't start on TikTok.
00:31:06.109 --> 00:31:11.470
So when Anna and I were trying to have Audrey, Anna had a very hard time.
00:31:11.629 --> 00:31:13.629
She went through a couple miscarriages.
00:31:13.710 --> 00:31:15.629
It took her seven rounds of IUI.
00:31:15.789 --> 00:31:17.149
We did a round of IVF.
00:31:17.309 --> 00:31:25.309
Like it was heartbreaking, and we felt so incredibly isolated and alone because we didn't know anybody going through this.
00:31:25.549 --> 00:31:31.309
It's not until you're in the infertility world where you realize that it's more common than people think, right?
00:31:31.389 --> 00:31:32.990
And there's a whole community out there.
00:31:33.149 --> 00:31:47.389
And so we actually found an Instagram community, the TTC community, the trying to conceive of women, whether they were straight, whether they were in same-sex relationships, just trying to get pregnant and living the fertility life.
00:31:47.549 --> 00:31:57.789
And so we actually started a secret Instagram page where we documented our whole IUI, IVF fertility journey, and we built this amazing community.
00:31:57.869 --> 00:32:00.429
And I fell in love with content creation.
00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:04.509
So we have Audrey and we pause on the Instagram page, right?
00:32:04.589 --> 00:32:05.629
The goal was kind of met.
00:32:05.789 --> 00:32:10.909
We we had this community supporting us, the world shuts down, and everybody's on TikTok.
00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:15.149
Everybody's dancing, it's like a lawless land, it's such a fun place to be.
00:32:15.309 --> 00:32:16.349
We're at home.
00:32:16.589 --> 00:32:22.109
And so we're loving watching TikToks, and we think, okay, we got this newborn, we're home, there's nowhere else to go.
00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:24.029
We're gonna start a TikTok page.
00:32:24.269 --> 00:32:26.909
And so we started just with like silly funny videos.
00:32:27.149 --> 00:32:31.230
We didn't document anything, we were doing it just for fun, and we kind of took off.
00:32:31.389 --> 00:32:34.349
And I think, you know, there was just so many people chronically online.
00:32:34.509 --> 00:32:39.309
There was this appetite for, you know, same-sex couples, and so we built quite the following.
00:32:39.629 --> 00:32:44.589
When the world opened back up and we, you know, went about our daily life.
00:32:44.829 --> 00:32:47.710
We stopped TikTok, we deleted all the content.
00:32:47.789 --> 00:32:49.549
I never thought I would see the page again.
00:32:49.789 --> 00:32:50.829
You deleted it?
00:32:51.629 --> 00:32:52.429
We deleted it.
00:32:52.509 --> 00:32:53.950
We deleted all the content.
00:32:54.109 --> 00:32:54.269
Why?
00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:55.230
Everything.
00:32:55.950 --> 00:33:00.029
I just felt like this isn't something I want to pursue.
00:33:00.190 --> 00:33:04.190
Like this was fun and it kept us busy and it like helped us through the dark days of COVID.
00:33:04.269 --> 00:33:06.190
But like I have to go back to my real job now.
00:33:06.269 --> 00:33:08.829
And like, you know, we're in like the trenches of motherhood.
00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:12.269
It just wasn't something I ever aspired to continue.
00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:18.750
And yet, it has always been on my heart since I was a teenager to make content and be a content creator.
00:33:18.909 --> 00:33:24.190
I think any millennial who grew up with like the makeup YouTube videos, you secretly want that, right?
00:33:24.269 --> 00:33:28.589
You're like getting ready every morning, you're like, this could be me, and you're like narrating in your head.
00:33:28.750 --> 00:33:35.629
And so, anyways, I put that dream aside, and you just think, like, I couldn't do it, like I don't have a voice, like, what would I even do?
00:33:35.869 --> 00:33:43.069
And last year, around February, March, I looked in the mirror and I said, Katherine, how well are you gonna put this dream off?
00:33:43.230 --> 00:33:44.029
Like, just do it.
00:33:44.109 --> 00:33:45.549
Like, what are you so scared of?
00:33:45.629 --> 00:33:46.990
Um, the whole world watching.
00:33:47.629 --> 00:33:49.309
But just try, just try.
00:33:49.470 --> 00:33:53.950
And so I said to Anna, I'll never forget, I said, babe, I'm gonna make content.
00:33:54.109 --> 00:33:55.470
And she was like, Okay.
00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:57.309
I was like, I'm gonna try.
00:33:57.470 --> 00:33:57.950
I'm gonna try.
00:33:58.029 --> 00:33:59.069
I'm gonna go on TikTok.
00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:03.470
And so I actually didn't start as a two-mom family handle.
00:34:03.549 --> 00:34:05.789
I actually just started with grocery hauls.
00:34:06.029 --> 00:34:08.110
To me, it was low-hanging fruit.
00:34:08.349 --> 00:34:09.389
The audience loved it.
00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:17.630
I loved watching people's grocery hauls, and so I started with Walmart hauls and Costco hauls, and I built this really great audience.
00:34:17.789 --> 00:34:20.349
And I then started to pepper in my life.
00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:23.789
And unfortunately, what happened is I would like gain a hundred followers.
00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:28.429
I would post Anna, I would post something about being a two-mom family, and I would lose seven followers.
00:34:28.590 --> 00:34:28.909
Wow.
00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:36.670
And it's continued to be this journey where, you know, I'm trying to blend my audiences now because there's an audience who loves my grocery hauls.
00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:40.429
And now there's this new audience who loves that I'm a two-mom family, right?
00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:46.269
And then, you know, as I start to expand my content, you're bringing in new people along the way.
00:34:46.429 --> 00:34:50.269
And now we're trying to come together and I'm trying to build this page.
00:34:50.429 --> 00:34:53.630
And I've put in my handle mom, like, two mom family warning.
00:34:53.789 --> 00:34:54.110
Okay.
00:34:54.349 --> 00:35:07.550
But I also now want to take content to a place where I can be the representation or the aspiration for any of these younger people coming out thinking, what is my life gonna look like?
00:35:07.630 --> 00:35:08.990
Like, could this be me?
00:35:09.389 --> 00:35:10.829
And it's been so fun.
00:35:11.230 --> 00:35:12.269
So I have a question.
00:35:12.429 --> 00:35:26.590
Okay, so in one of Catherine's Costco hauls, yeah, she and Anna and the girls went to Costco, loaded stuff into the cart, and and Catherine asked Anna, you know, at the end of the video, hey, babe, how much did we spend?
00:35:26.750 --> 00:35:30.190
And I was so proud of you, by the way, because I'm Was it under 500?
00:35:30.349 --> 00:35:31.150
It was$198.
00:35:31.710 --> 00:35:32.269
Oh, yeah, baby.
00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:38.590
Every time I will like what kind of a crazy person goes to So Joe, my wife Joanna is not allowed to go to Costco without supervision.
00:35:38.829 --> 00:35:39.230
It's a problem.
00:35:39.789 --> 00:35:42.429
She once went to buy muffins and spent a thousand dollars.
00:35:42.590 --> 00:35:44.190
And I said, You're not allowed in that store.
00:35:44.269 --> 00:35:52.670
And I won't go into Costco because I am too big and there's too many carts and there's too many people, and I'll just end up committing like a scar.
00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:53.309
Yeah.
00:35:54.110 --> 00:35:54.349
Come on.
00:35:54.509 --> 00:35:56.750
Wait, Costco was a mindset.
00:35:57.389 --> 00:35:58.269
I love Costco.
00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:03.949
I told a story in a couple episodes ago about going to Costco, just get that stupid movie ticket.
00:36:04.110 --> 00:36:04.269
Yeah.
00:36:04.509 --> 00:36:04.989
Ridiculous.
00:36:05.150 --> 00:36:09.710
Well, I have three boys, and a lot of kids come to my house uh to eat.
00:36:09.869 --> 00:36:12.590
So Costco is Do you send invoices to their parents?
00:36:12.750 --> 00:36:13.549
I know, I should.
00:36:13.710 --> 00:36:14.029
I know.
00:36:14.110 --> 00:36:16.829
I just made a whole snack cupboard in the teenage room.
00:36:16.909 --> 00:36:17.150
I know.
00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:17.630
Oh my gosh.
00:36:17.869 --> 00:36:19.469
Why are you not on TikTok documenting this?
00:36:19.789 --> 00:36:20.909
Catherine, I had I had 13.
00:36:22.509 --> 00:36:26.429
Like 13 kids uh last Friday sleeping at my house.
00:36:26.590 --> 00:36:31.869
Like I have upwards to like eight to I would say 12 on average on a Friday side, right?
00:36:32.190 --> 00:36:33.630
Were they up in the loft or the living room?
00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:34.429
They were in the lull.
00:36:34.590 --> 00:36:35.070
They were in the loft.
00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:39.389
So let's get into um something you touched on.
00:36:39.630 --> 00:36:42.750
You get in, you talk about I by the way, I do love your grocery hauls.
00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:45.070
And uh I do watch the get ready with me.
00:36:46.269 --> 00:36:47.949
I need something, I need some on my notes.
00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:52.190
And this is new content that I'm testing because I see the girls on TikTok.
00:36:52.269 --> 00:36:53.389
They're doing the get ready with me.
00:36:53.469 --> 00:36:55.789
I'm like, okay, do people want to do people want to get ready with me?
00:36:55.869 --> 00:36:56.110
Let's see.
00:36:56.269 --> 00:36:58.190
But then they they have to clean your bathroom.
00:36:58.349 --> 00:36:59.469
You have to like I just I don't know.
00:36:59.869 --> 00:37:00.590
She doesn't need a car.
00:37:00.829 --> 00:37:02.269
Oh, you do it in the cars on the roll.
00:37:02.590 --> 00:37:03.630
She's a salesperson.
00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:06.509
All sales reps do everything in the car.
00:37:06.590 --> 00:37:07.070
It's their office.
00:37:07.549 --> 00:37:08.429
You don't want to see my car.
00:37:08.750 --> 00:37:12.750
Well, you apparently she goes to the East Coast and you don't like the Ford Bronco, apparently.
00:37:12.829 --> 00:37:14.670
You were very adamant that you thought it was too big.
00:37:15.070 --> 00:37:16.909
No business driving a Ford Bronco.
00:37:16.989 --> 00:37:20.590
Even yesterday I was in Thunder Bay and they go, Oh, is an F-150 okay?
00:37:20.750 --> 00:37:21.070
No.
00:37:21.869 --> 00:37:22.349
No, no.
00:37:22.670 --> 00:37:24.909
I picture you in like a little like Mini Cooper.
00:37:25.150 --> 00:37:26.190
Babe, I need a sedan.
00:37:26.509 --> 00:37:28.989
Like what I drive an SUV because I have two kids at home.
00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:32.909
But you know, when I want a rental, I need like just give me something cute and compact.
00:37:33.070 --> 00:37:34.909
An F-150, are you parking it for me?
00:37:35.070 --> 00:37:35.710
Okay, Captain.
00:37:36.110 --> 00:37:36.429
That's funny.
00:37:36.509 --> 00:37:39.309
When I travel, I I get the out F-150.
00:37:39.389 --> 00:37:40.029
Uh, yeah, please.
00:37:40.429 --> 00:37:41.869
Have you ever driven a minivan?
00:37:42.029 --> 00:37:48.909
I know it's hard to wrap your head around accepting a minivan in your life, but once you get one, it's a game changer.
00:37:49.150 --> 00:37:49.949
Game changer.
00:37:50.190 --> 00:37:51.710
Game safer, right?
00:37:51.789 --> 00:37:52.429
This is a safe space.
00:37:52.829 --> 00:37:53.869
You need to admit something.
00:37:54.590 --> 00:37:57.309
We have our eyes on the Toyota Sienna.
00:37:58.110 --> 00:37:59.389
I don't know if it's age.
00:37:59.469 --> 00:38:07.869
I don't know what happened, but a couple weeks ago we saw an all-black Toyota Sienna drive past us and we looked at each other and like no words were needed.
00:38:08.349 --> 00:38:10.829
We've been goo like I don't, I think I'm a minivan mom.
00:38:10.909 --> 00:38:12.349
I think I'm a haircut.
00:38:12.590 --> 00:38:13.549
I feel like I could do it.
00:38:13.710 --> 00:38:14.590
Yeah, you're gonna be.
00:38:14.670 --> 00:38:17.630
You're gonna once you go, once you go minivan, you never go back.
00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:18.349
You know what I mean?
00:38:18.590 --> 00:38:19.469
I said pardon.
00:38:19.630 --> 00:38:20.509
I said pardon.
00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:22.750
Well, I've driven vans before.
00:38:22.989 --> 00:38:23.710
They're great.
00:38:24.190 --> 00:38:24.509
Yes.
00:38:24.829 --> 00:38:25.869
Maybe the storage?
00:38:26.029 --> 00:38:27.789
I mean, and you know what?
00:38:27.869 --> 00:38:30.829
When you go to say the beach, you should come to Coburg Beach, by the way.
00:38:30.909 --> 00:38:31.549
I will meet you.
00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:36.829
Uh, you can you your kids can stand up and like run around in the vehicle while you're changing them.
00:38:36.909 --> 00:38:38.110
While you're oh that's safe.
00:38:38.269 --> 00:38:39.070
No, well, no, we're gonna be able to do that.
00:38:40.670 --> 00:38:41.469
The car is parked.
00:38:41.869 --> 00:38:42.269
Oh, sure.
00:38:42.349 --> 00:38:43.630
That's you forgot to mention the car.
00:38:44.029 --> 00:38:45.230
Well, sorry, the car is parked in.
00:38:45.549 --> 00:38:46.829
Roll down a 401 like this.
00:38:46.989 --> 00:38:47.869
No, it's brilliant.
00:38:48.029 --> 00:38:48.590
It's brilliant.
00:38:48.670 --> 00:38:50.349
All the seats like roll down in it.
00:38:50.429 --> 00:38:51.869
You can put go camping in it.
00:38:51.949 --> 00:38:52.750
Oh, you'll love it.
00:38:52.909 --> 00:38:53.150
Do it.
00:38:54.509 --> 00:38:57.789
Did you get an in like a paid endorsement from Chrysler?
00:38:58.110 --> 00:38:58.989
You need to tell me about it?
00:38:59.389 --> 00:39:01.230
No, just get the minivan, okay?
00:39:01.789 --> 00:39:03.869
I drive an SUV because I'm big and fat.
00:39:04.029 --> 00:39:04.429
No, you don't.
00:39:04.670 --> 00:39:05.469
And I need the space.
00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:06.989
I do.
00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:07.230
Okay.
00:39:07.549 --> 00:39:12.349
Anna and I both drive SUVs, but I I don't think I can get Anna in a minivan, but we're trying.
00:39:13.230 --> 00:39:16.429
Actually, the Toyota scanner does not look like a minivan.
00:39:16.509 --> 00:39:18.269
It looks like a streamlined SUV.
00:39:18.349 --> 00:39:20.670
It just happens to have sliding doors instead of opening doors.
00:39:20.989 --> 00:39:21.469
This is what I'm saying.
00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:22.590
Yeah, it's a Toyota.
00:39:22.750 --> 00:39:24.750
So it's a good, reliable brand, Sadie.
00:39:25.389 --> 00:39:26.670
Along with your cross through.
00:39:27.710 --> 00:39:30.989
Okay, so I I want to touch on this because you mentioned it.
00:39:31.309 --> 00:39:35.230
For every one viewer you got, sometimes when you were talking about two moms, you would lose.
00:39:35.630 --> 00:39:40.269
Do you mind if we kind of like talk about hate because it is prevalent in our society?
00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:45.869
God, I'd love to meet some of the people online who think that they're so courageous behind their keyboard on the phone.
00:39:46.110 --> 00:39:47.549
Oh yeah, the keyboard warriors, right?
00:39:48.269 --> 00:39:51.150
And they they don't think that they can be harmed.
00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:55.230
And it's there's a psychological reason behind it, but we won't go into it.
00:39:55.309 --> 00:40:00.750
But how do you handle the hate and what what kind of what have you seen since you started your TikTok channel?
00:40:01.070 --> 00:40:02.029
This is my dog.
00:40:02.269 --> 00:40:03.549
Um, you know what?
00:40:03.789 --> 00:40:06.989
I've been very fortunate.
00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:09.469
The hate is stopping at the unfollow.
00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:12.429
Like I think they're just like, you know what, this isn't the content for me.
00:40:12.590 --> 00:40:14.269
I don't want to see this on my FYP.
00:40:14.349 --> 00:40:14.989
And you know what?
00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:16.590
That's their FYP journey.
00:40:16.670 --> 00:40:17.230
That's okay.
00:40:17.789 --> 00:40:23.869
And so I've been fortunate enough that I haven't seen anything in the comments that I've had to deal with that's hurt my feelings.
00:40:24.029 --> 00:40:25.230
I have pretty thick skin.
00:40:25.389 --> 00:40:27.469
That will come as my page grows.
00:40:27.630 --> 00:40:29.070
You know, that's how you know you've made it.
00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:30.269
That's what I've been told, right?
00:40:30.509 --> 00:40:30.829
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:31.150 --> 00:40:32.909
Uh, but and so I'm kind of excited.
00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:33.949
I'm waiting for that day.
00:40:34.029 --> 00:40:36.909
But no, it stopped at the unfollow so far.
00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:42.989
And even outside of my life online, in my daily life, we haven't experienced that.
00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:47.869
And now I think it's largely due to I'm very feminine presenting.
00:40:48.029 --> 00:40:58.750
And so I don't, you know, have to deal with the same things that maybe Anna has to deal with, being a little bit more masculine presenting and you know, wearing boys' clothes and and things like that.
00:40:58.829 --> 00:41:01.949
But no, I haven't had to deal with that yet, but I'm sure it's coming.
00:41:02.269 --> 00:41:05.630
Can I just say I have to pee so bad?
00:41:06.029 --> 00:41:06.909
Sorry, Scott.
00:41:07.070 --> 00:41:07.710
I have to.
00:41:07.869 --> 00:41:08.590
I had a coffee.
00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:09.549
He made me drink a coffee.
00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:10.909
It's a it's the time of morning.
00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:11.630
Oh, it is.
00:41:11.710 --> 00:41:13.549
And I'm also super old.
00:41:19.070 --> 00:41:20.429
All right, we're back, Sadie.
00:41:20.590 --> 00:41:21.230
Oh, sorry.
00:41:21.389 --> 00:41:26.349
Your bladder feels my bladder was uh like destroying my my my words.
00:41:26.509 --> 00:41:27.230
I couldn't even talk.
00:41:27.949 --> 00:41:30.590
All I could all I all I could think about was having to pee.
00:41:30.670 --> 00:41:31.070
I'm so sorry.
00:41:31.309 --> 00:41:32.349
We've been there, we've been there.
00:41:33.309 --> 00:41:37.789
Listen, I like when you get wait till you're in your 70s and you gotta pee like every five minutes.
00:41:38.029 --> 00:41:38.750
Oh, yeah.
00:41:38.989 --> 00:41:42.429
I'm just lucky we got a really comfortable mattress and I sleep through the night now.
00:41:42.590 --> 00:41:43.789
Uh in your own pee?
00:41:44.029 --> 00:41:45.630
No, I don't actually pee, Sadie.
00:41:46.029 --> 00:41:46.750
Super diaper.
00:41:46.829 --> 00:41:47.949
I don't even know if they've come in your size.
00:41:48.190 --> 00:41:49.309
Like Donnie diaper does?
00:41:49.389 --> 00:41:49.630
Yeah?
00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:49.869
No.
00:41:49.949 --> 00:41:51.710
I know I'm No, we're not there yet.
00:41:51.949 --> 00:41:53.710
I don't have no, I'm not there yet.
00:41:54.110 --> 00:41:55.230
No, I don't I'm I'm not.
00:41:55.309 --> 00:41:55.789
What's the word?
00:41:55.949 --> 00:41:56.670
Incontinent?
00:41:56.909 --> 00:41:57.789
Incontinent, yeah.
00:41:58.190 --> 00:41:58.670
Big word.
00:41:58.909 --> 00:41:59.389
Big word.
00:41:59.710 --> 00:42:00.029
Yeah.
00:42:00.269 --> 00:42:00.509
All right.
00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:06.909
We only have a certain amount of time and and and we totally appreciate your time, but we know that you've got other things to do today.
00:42:08.029 --> 00:42:09.309
Sadie's kind of a big deal.
00:42:09.549 --> 00:42:13.949
I, on the other hand, am gonna go cut my grass because I took the day off work today.
00:42:14.190 --> 00:42:18.989
Um, how do you explain uh pride to Audrey and Chloe?
00:42:19.230 --> 00:42:26.670
And and what is the because you guys, you know, you took a well-deserved mom's weekend away in Toronto.
00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:31.309
Um, but how how does how does a mom describe pride?
00:42:31.389 --> 00:42:33.949
Is it the same way I would have described it to my son?
00:42:34.670 --> 00:42:36.269
Or is there a different dynamic?
00:42:36.670 --> 00:42:43.309
You know, again, because the girls are so small, and the way we describe pride this year is gonna look different next year.
00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:45.630
And it's gonna look different when she's 10, right?
00:42:45.789 --> 00:42:52.670
Because the conversations are gonna evolve and we're gonna be able to layer on what happened to even get us to the point where we're able to celebrate, right?
00:42:52.750 --> 00:42:54.509
Like what did people have to go through before?
00:42:54.670 --> 00:42:56.110
Why is it such a big deal?
00:42:56.269 --> 00:42:59.710
That is too much for a five and a three-year-old right now.
00:42:59.869 --> 00:43:13.389
And so pride to them and pride to us when we're explaining it is really celebration of families, celebration of love, celebration of families, celebration of how everybody is living their own truth, right?
00:43:13.630 --> 00:43:18.190
And our truth looks different than somebody else's truth, and that's what makes it beautiful.
00:43:18.989 --> 00:43:22.349
I I feel a little children's book coming on with you.
00:43:22.750 --> 00:43:22.909
Me.
00:43:23.070 --> 00:43:25.630
So with Kathleen is a children's author.
00:43:25.789 --> 00:43:28.269
So Anna has actually uh written a book.
00:43:28.670 --> 00:43:29.389
I've written eight.
00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:34.590
No, I have, and one of them is about uh they're all animals, like so.
00:43:34.670 --> 00:43:41.469
There's Ellie the elephant in the memory tree, there's Sydney the forgetful squirrel, there's also um Benny the Badger and his two dads.
00:43:42.590 --> 00:43:46.190
So it's about um, you know, all and they all live in the same ecosystem.
00:43:46.269 --> 00:43:47.070
So I'll you know what?
00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:48.190
I'll send you some copies.
00:43:48.429 --> 00:43:50.829
That is they're just in PDF right now.
00:43:51.789 --> 00:43:53.549
Sorry, Anna's Anna's writing.
00:43:53.949 --> 00:44:06.750
Is that her is that her vocation or does she I think it actually so she wrote a book called I Am Mom, and it's about how moms show up in all the places you would unexpect them to show up.
00:44:06.909 --> 00:44:11.070
So it's about a mom being a doctor and a mom being a pilot and a mom being a firefighter.
00:44:11.230 --> 00:44:16.509
And she wrote it as she was battling, you know, postpartum and finding herself.
00:44:16.670 --> 00:44:22.670
And it was like, okay, so now I'm this mom, but I'm still a hairstylist and I'm still a friend.
00:44:22.750 --> 00:44:26.349
And, you know, why is the term being a mom so limiting?
00:44:26.509 --> 00:44:32.909
You know, why do you think that moms just work at an office or, you know, they just, you know, have this reception job or they're just stay-at-home moms?
00:44:32.989 --> 00:44:40.989
And so she wanted to write a book that represented moms everywhere and to inspire little girls that you can be a mom, but like you can still be a police officer.
00:44:41.230 --> 00:44:43.070
Those two things can exist, right?
00:44:43.309 --> 00:44:50.269
And so, yeah, it would be beautiful to write a book about having two moms and pride, but pride is just such a beautiful thing.
00:44:50.349 --> 00:44:57.469
And I think at any age, how we explain it is that it's your journey, but it's a journey that's bringing everyone together.
00:44:57.630 --> 00:44:58.989
And that's what I love about pride.
00:44:59.150 --> 00:45:01.869
It brings everyone together, yet everybody's on their own path.
00:45:01.949 --> 00:45:02.269
Yeah.
00:45:02.670 --> 00:45:07.070
One of the things I love about pride is you never get that question, why are you here?
00:45:07.630 --> 00:45:11.949
Me meaning like the big fat straight guy with a you know, eyes.
00:45:12.029 --> 00:45:12.269
Yeah.
00:45:12.509 --> 00:45:13.949
Well, I kind of look like a bear.
00:45:14.429 --> 00:45:16.989
Yeah, you're giving bear and you said that you give bear hugs.
00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:18.829
So it's inclusivity, right?
00:45:19.150 --> 00:45:21.150
It's nice to be it's it's about love.
00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:22.190
It's about acceptance.
00:45:22.670 --> 00:45:27.469
It is, but I love the fact like you know, remember in high school you go to you go somewhere in high school and they're like, oh, what are you doing here?
00:45:27.789 --> 00:45:28.190
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:28.429 --> 00:45:29.869
This this is a party for the muffs.
00:45:30.190 --> 00:45:30.349
Yeah.
00:45:30.509 --> 00:45:30.750
Right?
00:45:30.829 --> 00:45:34.670
But I you go to Pride and nobody nobody says they don't belong here.
00:45:34.909 --> 00:45:41.869
Well, because I don't think people who, you know, don't believe or you know, they have the you know, they they don't show up.
00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:44.670
It is all just people who just wrong want to be there.
00:45:44.989 --> 00:45:46.989
Okay, but so we've got a game we're gonna play.
00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:54.509
But before we get into it, I do want to touch on an important point that there are certain points or places in the world that do not accept this and are trying to reverse certain things.
00:45:54.670 --> 00:45:55.789
I think we can all get to that.
00:45:55.949 --> 00:46:03.630
We don't talk about politics or religion on this show, but there are certain aspects that really start to frustrate me where there is you're trying to reverse it.
00:46:03.789 --> 00:46:17.549
And but here's the other thing is that certain people in the world, Canada too, have given some people a voice to make themselves think that now they can say these things out out loud instead of shutting their mouth and going home.
00:46:17.869 --> 00:46:19.150
I'm just gonna keep my mouth closed.
00:46:19.230 --> 00:46:27.309
Now they feel empowered to say things, and we need to figure out a way to stop that, to be honest, because it's just because you can only say so many times.
00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:30.110
None of your business when you just mind your own business.
00:46:30.429 --> 00:46:36.670
Now people feel empowered to make it their business, and I think that needs to change because it's affecting.
00:46:36.750 --> 00:46:37.549
It's a really affecting.
00:46:38.909 --> 00:46:40.269
All right, sorry, I had to say that.
00:46:40.909 --> 00:46:41.469
That was deep.
00:46:41.710 --> 00:46:43.389
That was deep, so that was really deep.
00:46:43.469 --> 00:46:44.750
Okay, we're gonna play a game.
00:46:45.070 --> 00:46:45.389
Okay.
00:46:45.949 --> 00:46:48.829
It's called Pride or Just Normal Parenting?
00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:49.630
That's all.
00:46:50.029 --> 00:46:54.269
Because it's Pride Month, we're gonna we're we've only I've only got five questions here.
00:46:54.509 --> 00:46:58.509
It's for you and Sadie, Catherine, so you get to answer both.
00:46:58.989 --> 00:47:04.269
Um, but it's did this does this happen just because it's pride or is it just normal parenting?
00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:07.869
And and we're not talking about two moms, we're talking about all overall parenting, okay?
00:47:08.029 --> 00:47:08.429
Okay, yeah.
00:47:08.829 --> 00:47:13.150
Someone is crying because they do not like the outfit they picked themselves.
00:47:13.309 --> 00:47:15.389
Is that parenting or pride?
00:47:16.750 --> 00:47:17.710
Parenting.
00:47:18.429 --> 00:47:19.230
I would say parenting.
00:47:19.389 --> 00:47:20.750
Okay, so I'm gonna give you a hint.
00:47:20.829 --> 00:47:22.110
The answer for everything is both.
00:47:22.670 --> 00:47:22.909
Is both.
00:47:22.989 --> 00:47:23.309
It's both.
00:47:23.549 --> 00:47:24.349
Is both, yeah.
00:47:24.509 --> 00:47:25.549
Um, here's another one.
00:47:25.710 --> 00:47:29.789
Um the question is there is glitter in places no glitter should be.
00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:30.590
Pride.
00:47:30.829 --> 00:47:31.309
Both.
00:47:31.549 --> 00:47:32.509
I already just said to you.
00:47:32.829 --> 00:47:32.989
I know.
00:47:33.789 --> 00:47:34.029
I are.
00:47:34.269 --> 00:47:35.469
I'm pride of being a dance mom.
00:47:35.710 --> 00:47:35.869
Yeah.
00:47:37.469 --> 00:47:42.909
Someone spent 45 minutes getting ready, and they still say they have nothing to wear.
00:47:43.230 --> 00:47:45.150
Okay, well, I have all boys, so mine's pride.
00:47:45.389 --> 00:47:45.549
Okay.
00:47:45.710 --> 00:47:46.509
Sandy takes pride.
00:47:46.670 --> 00:47:46.750
Yeah.
00:47:47.630 --> 00:47:49.469
Four girls in the house, that's pride.
00:47:50.750 --> 00:47:54.429
You were trying to keep everyone hydrated, sunscreened, and emotionally regulated.
00:47:54.829 --> 00:47:56.029
Pride or parenting?
00:47:56.670 --> 00:47:57.549
Both, Scott.
00:47:57.630 --> 00:47:58.509
I'm giving you both.
00:48:00.509 --> 00:48:04.509
Um, you bought snacks for everyone, and somehow everyone hates the snacks.
00:48:04.750 --> 00:48:05.230
Parenting.
00:48:05.389 --> 00:48:05.789
Parenting.
00:48:05.869 --> 00:48:06.029
Okay.
00:48:06.110 --> 00:48:08.750
We'll give them one to parenting.
00:48:08.989 --> 00:48:09.230
Yeah.
00:48:09.309 --> 00:48:10.509
That's the parenting one for sure.
00:48:10.829 --> 00:48:12.110
But their exclusive point.
00:48:13.630 --> 00:48:17.309
Yeah, overall, just overall parenting, but they all sounded like things that could happen at Pride.
00:48:17.469 --> 00:48:17.710
Yes.
00:48:18.029 --> 00:48:18.349
Yes.
00:48:18.590 --> 00:48:20.110
My wife dancing on tables with the.
00:48:20.829 --> 00:48:23.150
Your wife doesn't dance and I dance on tables.
00:48:24.110 --> 00:48:25.309
I'm the table dancer.
00:48:25.710 --> 00:48:26.429
I said, pardon.
00:48:26.590 --> 00:48:27.230
I said, what?
00:48:27.630 --> 00:48:32.269
Catherine, before we wrap up, I just wanted to thank you so much for joining us on this episode.
00:48:32.509 --> 00:48:38.110
And what like just last minute advice before we get to the fun goodbyes.
00:48:38.429 --> 00:48:48.670
Um, what would you say to someone who is Catherine at age 17 and you know, try to guide them into life moving forward?
00:48:49.949 --> 00:48:58.269
If I could say something to my younger self or anybody who's 17, wondering what their life will look like, just keep choosing love.
00:48:58.509 --> 00:49:04.110
When you choose love, love will find you, love will guide you, the right people will come into your life.
00:49:04.269 --> 00:49:05.150
Just keep choosing love.
00:49:05.230 --> 00:49:12.349
And if you feel like you have to change, that situation's not for you, that person is not for you, because when you choose love, the rest follows.
00:49:13.309 --> 00:49:14.029
That was brilliant.
00:49:14.349 --> 00:49:14.989
Yes, it was.
00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:17.230
That's that's that's been my guiding light.
00:49:17.389 --> 00:49:21.070
If I just stay true to who I love, everything will find me.
00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:22.429
It's and it's very simple.
00:49:22.590 --> 00:49:27.230
Like that's not a laundry list, you know, recipe to you know, finding happiness.
00:49:27.309 --> 00:49:30.829
It is just one simple word, which is yeah, yeah, love.
00:49:31.469 --> 00:49:31.710
Yeah.
00:49:32.029 --> 00:49:37.389
Well, mine is love, and I'm always available to reach the tall shelves for everyone.
00:49:37.630 --> 00:49:39.150
This is why you should be at Costco.
00:49:39.230 --> 00:49:39.469
Yeah.
00:49:40.269 --> 00:49:40.989
No, I won't.
00:49:41.070 --> 00:49:41.710
I'll kill people.
00:49:41.789 --> 00:49:42.269
I really will.
00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:43.150
No, no, no.
00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:44.349
You don't you don't want him in Crosscock?
00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:49.389
No, the carts are even bigger, and it's like, God, get out of my way.
00:49:49.469 --> 00:49:51.469
And why is that TV so cheap?
00:49:51.549 --> 00:49:52.989
I just bought it one on Amazon.
00:49:53.309 --> 00:49:54.509
It's just not fair.
00:49:54.670 --> 00:49:56.110
Um, yeah, in malls.
00:49:56.269 --> 00:49:58.829
Like, seriously, walk down the proper side of the of the mall.
00:49:59.070 --> 00:49:59.630
Okay, Scott.
00:49:59.869 --> 00:50:00.590
Yeah, pick a lane.
00:50:00.750 --> 00:50:02.750
All right, I'm still I'm gonna have like I've got a veined form.
00:50:03.150 --> 00:50:04.110
Yeah, no, it's coming.
00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:04.909
Yeah, I can see it.
00:50:05.070 --> 00:50:06.829
Catherine, thanks so much for being on the show.
00:50:06.989 --> 00:50:08.429
We really appreciate it.
00:50:08.590 --> 00:50:09.789
Uh, we hope to have you back.
00:50:09.949 --> 00:50:11.389
Like, as the girls I would love to be.
00:50:11.710 --> 00:50:19.549
As the girls start to get older, and by the way, if from a father of a 21-year-old, it's only going to get worse.
00:50:20.509 --> 00:50:24.110
Two mom family or not, you're gonna be raising teenagers before you know it.
00:50:24.349 --> 00:50:25.309
Teenage girls, too.
00:50:25.710 --> 00:50:26.110
Drink.
00:50:26.509 --> 00:50:26.750
I know.
00:50:27.070 --> 00:50:27.309
Good luck.
00:50:27.630 --> 00:50:29.070
There's a lot of hormones in the house already.
00:50:29.710 --> 00:50:30.429
Oh my god.
00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:31.710
She's open.
00:50:33.230 --> 00:50:42.750
Okay, so if my timing is right, because Sadie's going through it right now, as your daughters are going through puberty/slash teenage years, you and Anna will be going through paramenopause.
00:50:42.989 --> 00:50:47.389
I don't want to be in that you might not want me back in those years.
00:50:48.269 --> 00:50:50.590
Uh listen, I I'm here doing it.
00:50:50.989 --> 00:50:51.789
You'll be fine.
00:50:52.110 --> 00:50:52.509
We should get you.
00:50:52.829 --> 00:50:53.710
We'll be in your minivan.
00:50:53.949 --> 00:50:54.509
We should get it.
00:50:54.670 --> 00:50:55.710
We should get them to do a podcast.
00:50:56.029 --> 00:50:56.590
Yeah, for sure.
00:50:56.750 --> 00:50:57.710
Yeah, I'd like to meet her.
00:50:57.869 --> 00:50:58.110
All right.
00:50:58.190 --> 00:51:03.070
We're gonna we're gonna go uh stay on the line uh so we can uh find out where to send your parting gifts.
00:51:03.230 --> 00:51:03.710
Just a sec.
00:51:03.869 --> 00:51:04.429
Yes.
00:51:07.469 --> 00:51:09.230
What a fun, what a fun talk.
00:51:09.469 --> 00:51:10.349
Yeah, she was sweet.
00:51:10.509 --> 00:51:11.469
She was, she was amazing.
00:51:11.630 --> 00:51:12.509
Yeah, really puppy.
00:51:12.670 --> 00:51:13.710
Yeah, and I love her TikToks.
00:51:13.949 --> 00:51:14.829
Um it always shows up.
00:51:14.909 --> 00:51:16.829
I guess my FYP that's for you.
00:51:17.070 --> 00:51:18.750
Yeah, I was gonna say, what's FYP?
00:51:18.829 --> 00:51:23.389
When she was saying that, I'm like, I have no idea what that's it's basically the algorithm, and it's called a for you page.
00:51:23.630 --> 00:51:26.670
So you have a couple of different pages on TikTok for you, friends.
00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:27.230
Oh, okay.
00:51:27.389 --> 00:51:28.829
I do a STEM page as well.
00:51:29.070 --> 00:51:30.029
Okay, F L P.
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FYP.
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Four for you page.
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For you page.
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So the algorithm knows that I'm, you know, I follow her.
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So Okay.
00:51:37.469 --> 00:51:38.989
But it's all they're always fun, fun videos.
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Okay.
00:51:39.469 --> 00:51:41.150
I'm gonna I'll do the grocery haul videos.
00:51:41.469 --> 00:51:42.670
I'm gonna do a little uh follow.
00:51:42.989 --> 00:51:46.429
The grocery videos always frustrate me though with anyone who does them.
00:51:46.670 --> 00:51:46.829
Why?
00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:49.549
Well, because then I look and go, fuck, I didn't get eggs.
00:51:51.230 --> 00:51:53.309
Don't you just like skip the dishes, eggs?
00:51:53.630 --> 00:51:55.469
No, we use Instacart for groceries.
00:51:55.630 --> 00:51:56.029
Oh, okay.
00:51:56.269 --> 00:51:56.429
Yeah.
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I'm gonna skip the dishes for people.
00:51:58.670 --> 00:51:59.710
You love convenience.
00:51:59.949 --> 00:52:01.150
I do, because you know why?
00:52:01.230 --> 00:52:03.389
I need to use my brain for more important things.
00:52:04.989 --> 00:52:06.909
Well, making podcasts.
00:52:07.309 --> 00:52:07.869
That's true.
00:52:08.190 --> 00:52:09.230
Teaching you big words.
00:52:09.309 --> 00:52:11.869
Yeah, which I don't ever know or remember.
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So we're off to the Pride Parade tomorrow.
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We've got our shirts.
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We do.
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Yeah.
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We're we're excited about that.
00:52:18.269 --> 00:52:21.389
So what what is a what is a flamingo sound like?
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Like what what's the noise?
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You go ahead.
00:52:24.029 --> 00:52:24.670
No, you go ahead.
00:52:24.909 --> 00:52:25.309
Okay, hold on.
00:52:25.549 --> 00:52:26.029
All right, go ahead.
00:52:26.110 --> 00:52:27.309
What is a flamingo sound like?
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Can I sample that and just keep it on my face?
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Is that right?
00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:33.630
No, I haven't.
00:52:34.670 --> 00:52:36.509
I pictured it coming out of their neck.
00:52:36.750 --> 00:52:37.549
That's what I'm trying to do.
00:52:37.630 --> 00:52:38.750
I'm trying to like jerky?
00:52:42.590 --> 00:52:43.309
Oh my god.
00:52:47.150 --> 00:52:48.909
And their beaks can't really open too much.
00:52:48.989 --> 00:52:50.670
So it's like they have to like push it out.
00:52:51.469 --> 00:52:53.469
Now you need to go on YouTube.
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Get the sample of it and then compare it to mine.
00:52:57.389 --> 00:52:59.869
Which, by the way, I never looked that up.
00:53:00.110 --> 00:53:05.469
So if I'm correct, and that's kind of what they sound like, I'm a fucking genius.
00:53:05.949 --> 00:53:06.590
Okay, hold on.
00:53:06.989 --> 00:53:07.309
Okay.
00:53:08.269 --> 00:53:10.349
My listeners are just on pins and needles right now.
00:53:10.750 --> 00:53:14.429
Occupy the guests while I I'll try one more noise.
00:53:14.509 --> 00:53:14.670
Hold on.
00:53:14.989 --> 00:53:15.869
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:53:23.630 --> 00:53:24.670
Okay, hold on one sec.
00:53:24.829 --> 00:53:26.509
I'm gonna see if I can find it on YouTube.
00:53:26.590 --> 00:53:26.829
One sec.
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Listeners?
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Just a second.
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I think I here, here.
00:53:30.829 --> 00:53:31.630
I think I'm gonna.
00:53:31.789 --> 00:53:33.070
Okay, let me see if it'll show up.
00:53:39.949 --> 00:53:41.789
That's kind of like my second one.
00:53:42.029 --> 00:53:43.309
Let me try it again.
00:53:43.789 --> 00:53:44.590
Sounds like a dog.
00:53:46.670 --> 00:53:48.110
Yeah, it sounds like a duck.
00:53:49.230 --> 00:53:50.429
Like a dog duck.
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Like a dog duck.
00:53:51.949 --> 00:53:53.549
Here's the here's the plan.
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You guys are gonna make that noise as a team walking in pride tomorrow.
00:53:58.989 --> 00:54:00.269
Have you met our family?
00:54:01.230 --> 00:54:01.389
No.
00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:06.269
Oh my god.
00:54:06.590 --> 00:54:07.549
Happy pride, people.
00:54:07.710 --> 00:54:09.230
All right, rock, paper, scissors.
00:54:09.389 --> 00:54:10.029
Yeah.
00:54:11.630 --> 00:54:13.309
No, what the I win.
00:54:13.469 --> 00:54:13.789
Okay.
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We're out for now.
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You don't get to say anything after I've said out for now, especially do a flamingo sound.
00:54:20.509 --> 00:54:21.309
That's really hard.
00:54:30.190 --> 00:54:31.949
I'm kind of okay at it.
00:54:38.110 --> 00:54:39.230
What wait, what?
00:54:39.309 --> 00:54:39.630
What?
00:54:41.070 --> 00:54:42.269
Okay, bye.