The Secret Psychic Program Nobody Was Supposed to Know About

WEBVTT
1
00:00:00.210 --> 00:00:03.890
Segment three this evening is titled The Children and the CIA.
2
00:00:04.509 --> 00:00:06.969
Tonight, we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.
3
00:00:07.389 --> 00:00:10.349
Part of the gate program, where I was pulled out
4
00:00:10.390 --> 00:00:12.939
of the room by a guy in a suit.
5
00:00:14.179 --> 00:00:17.359
I went in and did, like, the different, like, tones
6
00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.940
in the left ear, tones in the right ear, different,
7
00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:21.260
you know, raising your hand.
8
00:00:23.019 --> 00:00:26.079
In these weird things they had kids do is the
9
00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:26.820
strange liquid.
10
00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.750
That weird pink drink, that pink drink, that pink drink.
11
00:00:30.769 --> 00:00:32.060
They were always shoving down.
12
00:00:32.609 --> 00:00:34.810
So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have
13
00:00:34.829 --> 00:00:35.450
to go back to 1958.
14
00:00:35.450 --> 00:00:38.530
It's a Sputnik.
15
00:00:38.530 --> 00:00:43.770
1958 marked the first time government became involved with public school.
16
00:00:44.189 --> 00:00:49.259
With this new policy came identifying gifted and talented children.
17
00:00:50.539 --> 00:00:54.179
Who's gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving
18
00:00:54.259 --> 00:00:58.929
them different education. What that different education is, It cuts
19
00:00:58.990 --> 00:01:01.030
back to the Monroe Institute.
20
00:01:01.049 --> 00:01:04.019
You should be hearing my voice in your right ear.
21
00:01:04.109 --> 00:01:06.400
Until I heard those gateway tapes and I was like, whoa,
22
00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:07.939
this is very, very similar.
23
00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:15.260
These gate programs are grooming people to take roles in society. Entertainers,
24
00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.400
corporate owners, politicians.
25
00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.140
We discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed a gifted
26
00:01:22.189 --> 00:01:26.269
child who went to a literal children's school for the gifted.
27
00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.219
But they're looking at you long before that. They are
28
00:01:30.260 --> 00:01:31.420
looking at you from childhood.
29
00:01:33.340 --> 00:01:37.459
The feds have a record file on every single child
30
00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:39.939
from preschool to your career.
31
00:01:40.629 --> 00:01:42.730
Relaxation program by Thomas H.
32
00:01:42.750 --> 00:01:44.129
Budinsky, PhD.
33
00:01:45.629 --> 00:01:46.269
Here they are.
34
00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:52.450
Could they and would they have just advanced to making psychics?
35
00:01:52.930 --> 00:01:55.950
By testing for ESP abilities.
36
00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:01.500
You could go to scary places with that.
37
00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:05.200
Do you know anybody else that has these tapes? I don't.
38
00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.840
I don't know anybody else in the program.
39
00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.120
You know, they have a front for a front for
40
00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:10.560
a front.
41
00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:12.610
So what are they covering up?
42
00:02:12.620 --> 00:02:13.719
Absolutely.
43
00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:27.740
You're not crazy. The government really was doing psychic testing
44
00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.060
on children, and I'm going to prove it.
45
00:02:30.060 --> 00:02:43.129
You're finally starting to remember.
46
00:02:43.189 --> 00:02:45.439
You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing
47
00:02:45.500 --> 00:02:47.979
my voice. You should be hearing my voice, and you're
48
00:02:48.020 --> 00:02:48.500
right here.
49
00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:50.020
The Gate Program.
50
00:02:55.340 --> 00:02:57.439
Trey Hudson, welcome back to the show. It's good to
51
00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:58.319
see you again, my friend.
52
00:02:58.900 --> 00:03:02.710
Hey, happy to be here, man. Always a pleasure, always
53
00:03:02.770 --> 00:03:08.250
an honor, and always a unique and distinct privilege and
54
00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:09.180
delight to speak to you.
55
00:03:11.069 --> 00:03:14.729
Hey, we've had some really crazy conversations over the years
56
00:03:14.750 --> 00:03:17.889
since I've known you. We've done a lot of them
57
00:03:18.189 --> 00:03:20.849
and I always appreciate you coming on and speaking with
58
00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.620
me and speaking with my audience. And you were instrumental
59
00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.879
in helping me research for the documentary Psychic Agent, The
60
00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.080
Gate Program. I got your name in the credits of
61
00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:37.870
the documentary as research and development. So thank Thank you
62
00:03:38.189 --> 00:03:41.099
very much for doing that. That really helped me out
63
00:03:41.139 --> 00:03:44.030
a lot because I was really busy. When you're a
64
00:03:44.129 --> 00:03:47.349
one-man show, Trey, and I know you know this, when
65
00:03:47.370 --> 00:03:52.240
you're a one man show, it gets overwhelming really fast.
66
00:03:52.460 --> 00:03:55.439
So it was really nice to have somebody on my team,
67
00:03:56.099 --> 00:03:59.819
you know, uh, helping me, uh, look for documents and stuff.
68
00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:02.400
And I appreciate it because every time I was like, Hey,
69
00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.000
I need this document. Can you find it? And then
70
00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.560
you would immediately find it. So I really appreciate it.
71
00:04:09.090 --> 00:04:10.729
Yeah, it was, it was, uh, it was quite the, uh,
72
00:04:10.750 --> 00:04:12.590
quite the adventure because it'd be like, Oh, you know,
73
00:04:12.610 --> 00:04:14.810
tell me what you can find about project, blah, blah, blah,
74
00:04:14.830 --> 00:04:17.180
you know, one 42 or whatever. And I'd go down
75
00:04:17.209 --> 00:04:19.160
this rabbit hole and, you know, I'd run it till,
76
00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:21.740
you know, I just basically could not, you know, run
77
00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.079
anything else up. And so, you know, I learned a
78
00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:28.720
lot and, but I was happy to help you. And
79
00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:31.329
it was, like I said, a honor and a privilege.
80
00:04:32.930 --> 00:04:34.490
Yeah, that was one of the problems that we were
81
00:04:34.529 --> 00:04:42.009
having was finding actual documentation of experimentation on children. And
82
00:04:42.189 --> 00:04:45.399
we knew about the MKUltra programs, but- we were like,
83
00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:52.089
how can we find real documentation of psychic experiments in
84
00:04:52.189 --> 00:04:56.209
public school with children? And it wasn't until we ran
85
00:04:56.250 --> 00:05:01.410
across a document called Human Paranormal Capabilities that basically verify
86
00:05:01.430 --> 00:05:05.000
that that's indeed what was happening and what was going on.
87
00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.439
Was that a shock to you? I mean, this is
88
00:05:07.459 --> 00:05:10.040
something that has been talked about for a while now
89
00:05:10.060 --> 00:05:14.110
and it's come to the forefront of a lot of people's, uh,
90
00:05:14.149 --> 00:05:16.750
you know, talking about it in the last two to
91
00:05:16.810 --> 00:05:20.540
three years. And there's been a lot of speculation that
92
00:05:20.660 --> 00:05:23.120
this is what they were doing. And that was really
93
00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.680
my basis behind the documentary was, well, this is a
94
00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.110
documentary we have to prove and we have to show
95
00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.069
a real documentation that this is what's going on. Because
96
00:05:35.110 --> 00:05:38.819
if we don't, then it's just going to, uh, you know,
97
00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.420
it's another thing that doesn't show any type of proof
98
00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.759
and it just becomes hyperbole and conjecture.
99
00:05:44.379 --> 00:05:44.500
Yeah.
100
00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:48.100
What I thought was interesting is, uh, not only the
101
00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:51.160
breadth of it, you know, just how huge this program
102
00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.819
was involving children. And, you know, they were very, uh,
103
00:05:55.459 --> 00:05:57.959
they were very forthcoming in the documents, uh, you know,
104
00:05:57.990 --> 00:06:02.399
talking about, you know, using children. And, uh, you know, I,
105
00:06:03.050 --> 00:06:04.850
for some reason I thought it was, you know, kind
106
00:06:04.889 --> 00:06:09.439
of a, uh, you know, mid 20th century thing, but
107
00:06:09.459 --> 00:06:11.579
you go back and look at the documents and it
108
00:06:11.620 --> 00:06:13.699
goes all the way back into the, you know, some
109
00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.819
of the Indian schools, you know, first nation schools in Canada,
110
00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.589
experiments being, you know, done with those kids and testing
111
00:06:20.610 --> 00:06:22.670
being done with those kids and then bring it all
112
00:06:22.689 --> 00:06:24.430
the way forward. And kind of one of the epiphany
113
00:06:24.470 --> 00:06:26.629
for me is I thought this was kind of a
114
00:06:26.670 --> 00:06:28.430
secret is when I ran across, I think it was
115
00:06:28.470 --> 00:06:33.839
an NBC black and white news broadcast where basically it's like,
116
00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:37.290
you know, CIA and children. And it just, blew the
117
00:06:37.350 --> 00:06:41.670
lid off of this and why, you know, why that was, uh,
118
00:06:42.730 --> 00:06:44.379
was kind of an epiphany to me. You would think
119
00:06:44.389 --> 00:06:46.699
that that would be, you know, really, really steeped in
120
00:06:46.740 --> 00:06:49.120
our culture, but it's just kind of like got tamped
121
00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.439
down and buried. And then people like you, you know,
122
00:06:52.459 --> 00:06:54.279
and then of course, you know, Katie page coming forward
123
00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:56.939
with some of her experiences, uh, you know, what she
124
00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.939
really goes into in the film, uh, you know, just
125
00:06:59.959 --> 00:07:02.050
really kind of brings us all back up to the, uh,
126
00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.689
the surface. And we're all not a bunch of conspiracy nuts.
127
00:07:04.990 --> 00:07:07.129
You know, this stuff was actually happening, uh, You know,
128
00:07:07.149 --> 00:07:11.110
this stuff was actually pulled from the CIA archives, pulled from,
129
00:07:11.129 --> 00:07:16.069
you know, scholarly journals. And it's no longer conjecture. It's fact,
130
00:07:16.410 --> 00:07:18.009
you know, and it's out there for everybody to see.
131
00:07:18.029 --> 00:07:22.550
Yeah, I think that that was the most shocking part
132
00:07:22.589 --> 00:07:26.149
of it to me was some of those MKUltra programs,
133
00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.620
the subproject. I believe it was Subproject 83 and Subproject
134
00:07:30.620 --> 00:07:37.009
136 is literally... talks about psychic testing on children. I mean,
135
00:07:37.029 --> 00:07:39.459
we showed you in the movie. It says psychic testing
136
00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.000
on children, you know, and, uh, also MK ultra sub
137
00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:47.500
project one Oh two is a summer camp, which talks
138
00:07:47.540 --> 00:07:51.420
about in that ABC, um, that clip, which I only
139
00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.939
put a little bit of the clip inside of the movie,
140
00:07:53.980 --> 00:07:56.920
but that clip is around eight to 10 minutes. I
141
00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.519
believe it's way longer than. Uh, what's in the movie, but, um, uh, yeah,
142
00:08:01.550 --> 00:08:07.170
it was, uh, we're a hundred, no 462 children. where
143
00:08:07.189 --> 00:08:14.730
I experimented on in summer camp at the MKUltra Subproject 102.
144
00:08:14.730 --> 00:08:17.050
Something I thought was kind of interesting is you kind
145
00:08:17.110 --> 00:08:19.810
of saw the veneer being pulled away on how this
146
00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:22.899
stuff was done, how the CIA would set up a
147
00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:28.800
front research not-for-profits, and then they would issue grants to
148
00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:34.440
competing academics, psychiatrists, psychologists, And give them grants. And a
149
00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.720
lot of these professors and researchers didn't really know they
150
00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.590
were working for the CIA. And then when that became known,
151
00:08:41.610 --> 00:08:44.549
it's like, oh, you know, I do a Pontius Pilate.
152
00:08:44.909 --> 00:08:46.169
You know, I don't want to have anything to do
153
00:08:46.190 --> 00:08:47.990
with the CIA. But hey, bud, you know, you've been
154
00:08:48.669 --> 00:08:51.350
taking the CIA's money for the past 10 years. You
155
00:08:51.370 --> 00:08:53.769
never thought to see what you know who was actually
156
00:08:53.809 --> 00:08:55.220
pulling the levers behind the curtains.
157
00:08:57.129 --> 00:08:59.250
Yeah, and that's kind of like what Walter Bosley talks
158
00:08:59.309 --> 00:09:01.409
about within the documentary too. And I think that that
159
00:09:01.470 --> 00:09:04.750
coincides as well because I don't think that he'd ever
160
00:09:04.789 --> 00:09:11.129
saw that news broadcast that ABC, MKUltra on children broadcast
161
00:09:11.149 --> 00:09:13.990
that came out. And he was talking about that as well.
162
00:09:14.009 --> 00:09:18.490
He was like, the FBI can literally have a front organization,
163
00:09:18.529 --> 00:09:22.429
a front company that's been running an operation for many,
164
00:09:22.629 --> 00:09:24.830
many years. I mean, you know this, you were a
165
00:09:24.850 --> 00:09:29.960
part of the military and some, I don't know, I
166
00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.320
don't think that you work for any three-led organizations, but
167
00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.460
for military, I think DIA or DOD.
168
00:09:36.620 --> 00:09:37.779
Yeah, you're a DOD.
169
00:09:39.419 --> 00:09:44.480
You know, you can have a, An organization, a company
170
00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:46.940
set up that's a front company in order to run
171
00:09:46.980 --> 00:09:50.049
an operation out of for a really long time. And
172
00:09:50.090 --> 00:09:54.549
it looks like it's a real company that does anything.
173
00:09:54.570 --> 00:09:56.529
And Walter talks about how it could be like a
174
00:09:56.570 --> 00:09:59.929
donut shop or whatever, but it can be a mall key.
175
00:10:00.549 --> 00:10:03.679
It can be, uh, you know, a car wash, you know,
176
00:10:03.700 --> 00:10:06.000
it could be whatever they want it to be as
177
00:10:06.059 --> 00:10:12.580
a front organization. That is really a longstanding FBI operation
178
00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.100
or a CIA in the CIA can also do the
179
00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:15.940
exact same thing.
180
00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:16.899
Yeah.
181
00:10:16.940 --> 00:10:17.019
Yeah.
182
00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.299
And a lot of times, uh, you know, sometimes the
183
00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:22.240
employees for these front corporations don't even really know they're
184
00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:28.289
working for ultimately the, you know, one DIA, CIA, you know, whomever. And,
185
00:10:28.529 --> 00:10:33.250
you know, it's just, I'll just leave it at that. Yeah,
186
00:10:33.769 --> 00:10:37.340
they can set up front corporations for all kinds of reasons. And,
187
00:10:38.259 --> 00:10:40.580
you know, the true owner of those corporations, you know,
188
00:10:40.620 --> 00:10:43.059
are buried so many levels back that even the people
189
00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.879
working there for years, they really don't know what they're
190
00:10:45.899 --> 00:10:47.059
doing or whom they're working for.
191
00:10:48.370 --> 00:10:50.909
And that's kind of what we see happen with the
192
00:10:51.110 --> 00:10:54.950
remote viewing unit at DIA and all that. So hard
193
00:10:54.990 --> 00:10:57.220
to find out the funding of that, who all was
194
00:10:57.289 --> 00:11:02.360
funding SRI, you know, because the money is funneled through
195
00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:10.980
certain individuals. Like CIA will give an individual money to
196
00:11:11.059 --> 00:11:14.919
then go and fund a thing that they want funded.
197
00:11:14.980 --> 00:11:17.899
So it doesn't, So you're not going to get a
198
00:11:17.980 --> 00:11:21.220
check directly from the CIA. You know what I mean?
199
00:11:21.580 --> 00:11:24.700
It's going to be through an individual, through another company,
200
00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.190
that's through another company. That's going to be backdoor channeling
201
00:11:28.289 --> 00:11:30.690
in the money and the funds.
202
00:11:31.049 --> 00:11:34.129
Kind of a true story is I went to university
203
00:11:34.169 --> 00:11:38.970
on an ROTC scholarship. So the Army paid for my
204
00:11:39.070 --> 00:11:42.679
college and all of that. And in ROTC, your fourth
205
00:11:42.740 --> 00:11:47.309
year ROTC students, which are called MSU, Military Science 4,
206
00:11:47.309 --> 00:11:52.149
MS4 students, they're branched. You know, the Army's already determined
207
00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:55.279
what branch in the Army, you know, infantry, armor, whatever
208
00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.740
they're going to go to. And the university I went to,
209
00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:02.580
the University of West Georgia, which houses the Bill Rohl collection,
210
00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:05.379
the Ingo Swann collection, you know, so they were into
211
00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.110
a lot of that more esoteric studies. And I remember,
212
00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:13.429
you know, showing up for a class. I have my
213
00:12:13.450 --> 00:12:16.179
degrees in psychology there. And, you know, one of the
214
00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:18.340
professors said, you know, Trey, what did you get branched?
215
00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.399
I said, military intelligence. And he looked at me and
216
00:12:20.419 --> 00:12:22.259
he smiled and he goes, yeah, you're going to be
217
00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.899
working for SRI. And I never did. I never did
218
00:12:25.940 --> 00:12:28.080
go to SRI, but I'm like, who is SRI? I've
219
00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:30.299
never heard of that before. And it turns out they
220
00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.279
were like knee deep, you know, in remote viewing and other,
221
00:12:33.299 --> 00:12:35.919
you know, other things, you know, at that time back
222
00:12:35.980 --> 00:12:37.919
in the mid, mid to late 80s.
223
00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.320
Wow. You're, he literally said that to you, that you'd
224
00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:44.559
be working for SRI?
225
00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:47.019
SRI, or he said, either you're going to work or
226
00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:49.379
you're going to go to SRI because of, you know,
227
00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:51.480
just the kind of, uh, you know, studies that we
228
00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.299
did in that, in, in that particular, uh, you know,
229
00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:57.320
in that particular program. And it was funny because I
230
00:12:57.340 --> 00:13:00.539
just remembered SRI and it stuck with me. And it
231
00:13:00.590 --> 00:13:02.809
wasn't until years later when I started doing my own
232
00:13:02.850 --> 00:13:05.409
remote viewing training and, uh, started getting some of the
233
00:13:05.450 --> 00:13:07.789
documents that you and I have talked about and shared.
234
00:13:07.809 --> 00:13:11.309
And I'm like, SRI, that, that, that, that's what they
235
00:13:11.350 --> 00:13:13.919
were talking about. And, uh, So, you know, it all
236
00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.679
came full circle. So I haven't pulled back the, haven't
237
00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.279
peeled the orange yet to see, you know, what kind
238
00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.779
of juicy center, you know, my university was involved in
239
00:13:21.820 --> 00:13:24.299
with all that stuff. But hopefully one day I can
240
00:13:24.350 --> 00:13:27.429
drive over there. I know the curator of those, you know,
241
00:13:27.490 --> 00:13:29.570
those collections and really start digging in there and to
242
00:13:29.610 --> 00:13:31.649
see what kind of spooky things they were up to
243
00:13:31.710 --> 00:13:32.120
back in the 80s.
244
00:13:34.389 --> 00:13:37.129
Ooh, if you find out anything about that, definitely let
245
00:13:37.149 --> 00:13:41.919
me know. What was your first impressions of the movie?
246
00:13:41.940 --> 00:13:43.840
You watched it. I sent you a screener of it
247
00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.799
before it even hit Amazon Prime. What were your first
248
00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:49.980
thoughts and impressions on it?
249
00:13:51.139 --> 00:13:55.669
I thought it was very well done. I thought the
250
00:13:55.710 --> 00:13:59.850
three things that struck me as particularly valid. One was,
251
00:14:01.009 --> 00:14:04.259
you know, you just didn't walk the walk our talk
252
00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.019
to talk, you walk the walk, you show the documents.
253
00:14:07.580 --> 00:14:11.039
Here's the document. And obviously some of the documents you showed,
254
00:14:11.110 --> 00:14:14.909
I recognized immediately because they were some of the ones that,
255
00:14:14.950 --> 00:14:16.450
you know, you and I discussed, you know, during the
256
00:14:16.470 --> 00:14:19.610
making of the film. So you actually showed the CIA
257
00:14:20.070 --> 00:14:24.090
or other agencies own documents. I think that lends a very,
258
00:14:24.169 --> 00:14:28.720
very strong foundation of credibility to the entire film. Then
259
00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:32.320
the other thing is the interpersonal, you know, the experiential
260
00:14:32.379 --> 00:14:35.600
thing is when you interviewed, uh, you know, Katie and Walter,
261
00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:40.879
you know, these are actual real people that experience, you know,
262
00:14:40.899 --> 00:14:44.639
the gate program. And then watching, uh, you know, when
263
00:14:44.659 --> 00:14:47.350
you went over there to, uh, Florissant and filmed with
264
00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:52.870
Katie and watching her real human reactions, when she would
265
00:14:52.909 --> 00:14:56.480
put on the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, uh,
266
00:14:56.490 --> 00:14:57.470
the cassette tapes.
267
00:14:57.570 --> 00:14:57.870
Yeah.
268
00:14:58.419 --> 00:15:00.509
It's why I like, yeah, right. And then the, you know,
269
00:15:00.769 --> 00:15:02.730
the lights would go on in her eyes and it's like,
270
00:15:02.789 --> 00:15:05.090
oh my goodness, this is the exact same thing as
271
00:15:05.149 --> 00:15:09.549
Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute. Yeah. The exact same thing.
272
00:15:10.070 --> 00:15:12.580
And we all know about Robert Monroe. I actually knew
273
00:15:12.620 --> 00:15:14.720
people that worked, uh, you know, with the U S
274
00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.379
army intelligence and special operations that were paid to go
275
00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:20.179
to the Monroe Institute by the army. So, you know,
276
00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.179
I know all how that links up and then Walter
277
00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:27.639
comes in and he, basically backfills that whole story with
278
00:15:27.740 --> 00:15:33.320
his own personal experience. So the solidity, the solidness of
279
00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:39.830
the entire film is remarkable. And it's a piece of
280
00:15:39.909 --> 00:15:43.710
Cold War history that very few people know about. So
281
00:15:43.970 --> 00:15:46.230
now it's out there for people to ponder from whatever
282
00:15:46.570 --> 00:15:48.149
angle they want to look at. I'm kind of a
283
00:15:48.669 --> 00:15:51.730
Cold War guy, so I like the Cold War history
284
00:15:51.809 --> 00:15:54.419
of it. You know, in the psychic spies and all
285
00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.230
of that good stuff and other people can look at
286
00:15:56.250 --> 00:15:59.409
it for more than metaphysical. And then, of course, people
287
00:15:59.470 --> 00:16:02.090
that are interested in all some of the nefarious, you know,
288
00:16:02.110 --> 00:16:04.549
kind of hinky things the CIA and other agencies are
289
00:16:04.590 --> 00:16:07.889
up to. They get something out of it. So it's actually,
290
00:16:07.909 --> 00:16:10.970
you know, it's a big pie with a piece for everybody.
291
00:16:10.990 --> 00:16:13.070
All you have to do is grab a fork and
292
00:16:13.090 --> 00:16:13.419
dig in.
293
00:16:15.809 --> 00:16:18.909
Uh, that's high praise. That's a really high praise train.
294
00:16:19.029 --> 00:16:21.649
I really appreciate that. And I, it was really important
295
00:16:21.700 --> 00:16:26.580
for me to give, you know, a history of, you know, the,
296
00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.480
the research and where it all really started, uh, because
297
00:16:30.500 --> 00:16:34.100
there's never really been a documentary that's done that.
298
00:16:34.659 --> 00:16:34.960
Yeah.
299
00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:39.779
You know, even the people that were, you know, cause
300
00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:41.820
I had Lynn Buchanan, I had Dale graph and I
301
00:16:41.820 --> 00:16:44.830
had Angela there and you helped me find some of those, uh,
302
00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.700
those documents from Angela Ford when she.
303
00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.080
Was looking for transport. That was really cool because, you know,
304
00:16:52.100 --> 00:16:53.899
I was able to, you know, but basically find out
305
00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:56.500
what her remote viewer number was and then crosswalk that
306
00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.100
with the, you know, her findings and products. And she
307
00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.100
was spot on, you know, in a corroborated with exactly
308
00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.599
what she recalled from being in the program. So that was,
309
00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.599
that was exciting that, you know, for a researcher, that's like,
310
00:17:09.619 --> 00:17:11.960
you know, that's like a gold mine, you know, that's
311
00:17:11.980 --> 00:17:14.160
hitting pay dirt. So that was really exciting.
312
00:17:15.700 --> 00:17:20.309
Yeah, and, you know, there's been this, you know, because
313
00:17:20.420 --> 00:17:23.670
some of the people within the remote viewing Stargate unit,
314
00:17:24.250 --> 00:17:26.130
they don't get along with each other. You know, they
315
00:17:26.150 --> 00:17:28.710
have bad blood between each other, and it's actually very
316
00:17:28.750 --> 00:17:34.970
difficult to, you know, get a detailed, accurate history of
317
00:17:35.009 --> 00:17:38.690
the program because everybody has, everyone throws in their two cents,
318
00:17:38.750 --> 00:17:42.349
and everybody's two cents is different. Like, it's very difficult
319
00:17:42.390 --> 00:17:46.289
for any of them to agree upon anything certain things
320
00:17:46.369 --> 00:17:49.410
and when they happened and when the name changes happened
321
00:17:49.509 --> 00:17:52.759
and all that. But I was like, I don't want
322
00:17:52.779 --> 00:17:55.140
to get any history from you guys. I'm going to
323
00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:57.279
take care of the history. I'm going to do the history.
324
00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:03.180
And I did the history according to the declassified CIA documents.
325
00:18:03.420 --> 00:18:05.880
And I think that was the best way to do
326
00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.029
it because, you know, I mean, people could argue with
327
00:18:09.089 --> 00:18:12.470
it and say that it's inaccurate, but the, they can't
328
00:18:12.509 --> 00:18:17.230
really because it's directly according to the Stargate, uh, documents
329
00:18:17.269 --> 00:18:20.450
in the sun streak document. You actually sent, had sent
330
00:18:20.490 --> 00:18:22.809
me all of those documents a really long time ago,
331
00:18:22.829 --> 00:18:28.150
around three, well, probably almost four years ago. I was
332
00:18:28.190 --> 00:18:30.039
coming up on four years ago. You sent them to
333
00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.960
me on a, on a CD disc and I had
334
00:18:33.019 --> 00:18:36.240
to get a, I had to get an old computer tray.
335
00:18:36.259 --> 00:18:36.339
Yeah.
336
00:18:38.539 --> 00:18:41.220
I had to find an old ass computer to put
337
00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.380
the CD into the upload and onto a hard drive.
338
00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.200
Yeah, but when you looked at the volume of documents,
339
00:18:48.220 --> 00:18:49.609
you got an idea of why I sent it on
340
00:18:49.670 --> 00:18:52.210
a CD and I couldn't email it. It was a
341
00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:53.529
lot of documentation.
342
00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:57.369
Really a lot of them. And I, you know, really
343
00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:01.390
appreciate that because that was really the basis of, so you,
344
00:19:01.509 --> 00:19:04.589
you actually contributed more than you thought that you even
345
00:19:04.690 --> 00:19:07.730
contributed because a lot of, I mean, pretty much all
346
00:19:07.789 --> 00:19:11.049
the documents really came from you and it was just
347
00:19:11.109 --> 00:19:14.109
me having to go through them, which did take a
348
00:19:14.190 --> 00:19:16.269
lot of time and a lot of energy, a lot
349
00:19:16.309 --> 00:19:19.059
of effort to go through all those to find exactly
350
00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.900
what I needed and how I was seeing it. And,
351
00:19:22.579 --> 00:19:26.059
when it needed to be showed. So, uh, yeah, um, we,
352
00:19:26.819 --> 00:19:28.480
we did a lot, we did a lot in there.
353
00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:31.140
Well, you know, and I want to thank you for, uh,
354
00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:33.640
you know, being brave enough to actually touch this third
355
00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:40.730
rail because, uh, you know, when you talk about experiments and,
356
00:19:40.750 --> 00:19:46.710
you know, governmental actions being done with kids, that's a
357
00:19:46.750 --> 00:19:49.569
touchy subject. I mean, you know, we can, you know,
358
00:19:49.609 --> 00:19:52.190
we can do the whole, you know, go down the
359
00:19:52.210 --> 00:19:54.789
whole Epstein rabbit hole with, you know, government officials and
360
00:19:54.809 --> 00:19:56.549
all of that stuff. But, you know, when you start
361
00:19:56.589 --> 00:20:00.890
talking about the government doing things to kids and clouding,
362
00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:05.210
you know, what they're actually doing from the parents, you know,
363
00:20:05.269 --> 00:20:07.910
that gets a little, you know, people get really nervous
364
00:20:07.970 --> 00:20:11.319
about that. And it takes some guts as a filmmaker
365
00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:16.099
to personally put yourself out there and say, look, this
366
00:20:16.779 --> 00:20:21.480
is not my story. This story belongs to others. And
367
00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.579
we have a moral obligation to let their stories be
368
00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:30.180
told as potentially unpleasant as it may be. And I
369
00:20:30.220 --> 00:20:32.079
thank you for being brave enough to do that. A
370
00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:36.180
lot of people would shy away from that. because of
371
00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:40.710
the implications of what that might involve. So bravo for
372
00:20:40.750 --> 00:20:42.240
you for having the guts to do it.
373
00:20:43.569 --> 00:20:46.440
Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. And yes,
374
00:20:46.539 --> 00:20:50.740
it was a task. It was very difficult. And I
375
00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:55.509
still think That a lot of people are shying away
376
00:20:55.569 --> 00:20:58.690
from it and are, you know, trying to say that,
377
00:20:58.930 --> 00:21:04.400
you know, did it happen? Yes, it 100% happened. We
378
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.220
showed the proof for it. Were they doing psyche testing?
379
00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:12.579
But yes, yes, they were. And were they doing also recruitment?
380
00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.539
Because that's what I 100% that's one of the first
381
00:21:15.579 --> 00:21:19.509
things that. I actually mentioned to you, and if someone
382
00:21:19.529 --> 00:21:24.369
would go back and watch one of the shows, I
383
00:21:24.410 --> 00:21:27.650
think that it was me, you and Katie page. We
384
00:21:27.670 --> 00:21:31.170
did a show a couple of years ago and this
385
00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:33.720
is how long I've been working on this and trying
386
00:21:33.740 --> 00:21:36.279
to put all this stuff together. And we were talking
387
00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.599
about that and I had brought that up, like, you know,
388
00:21:38.619 --> 00:21:40.960
this public school thing, because you were also in the
389
00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:41.720
gate program.
390
00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:42.400
Yeah.
391
00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:43.380
Right.
392
00:21:44.099 --> 00:21:46.259
Yeah, you know, and it's kind of weird. We talked
393
00:21:46.299 --> 00:21:48.380
about it on that show is how many people that
394
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.839
were involved in the GATE program or gifted or whatever,
395
00:21:51.859 --> 00:21:55.740
you know, euphemism they used in your school district, you know,
396
00:21:55.809 --> 00:21:59.289
ended up in, you know, government type stuff, you know,
397
00:21:59.630 --> 00:22:03.230
you know, government or intelligence type, you know, activities. It's,
398
00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:05.869
you know, it's really kind of weird. And then, you know,
399
00:22:05.890 --> 00:22:11.170
Katie talks about, you know, her experiences and then, what's
400
00:22:11.250 --> 00:22:13.750
really interesting is then you start talking about the Clearview
401
00:22:13.809 --> 00:22:17.950
Ranch stuff and that gets really, really insane, you know,
402
00:22:17.970 --> 00:22:19.819
going down that rabbit hole. So there seems to be this,
403
00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:22.640
you know, even back in the day, you know, this
404
00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:27.920
strange kind of recruitment governmental, you know, you know, which
405
00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.920
is brew of, you know, trying to maybe steer people
406
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.519
into certain career paths or, you know, make people think
407
00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:40.660
their own thoughts and their own desires for their future
408
00:22:40.700 --> 00:22:43.549
are their own, and perhaps maybe they're not. Maybe they're
409
00:22:43.569 --> 00:22:45.789
being manipulated by others.
410
00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.880
I 100% agree with that. And it was, I couldn't
411
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.700
get into the Clearview Ranch too much in the, well,
412
00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:55.539
I didn't really get into it at all with Katie
413
00:22:55.579 --> 00:22:58.859
because there just wasn't enough time. The documentary was already
414
00:22:59.740 --> 00:23:03.119
pushing up on it two hours, you know, and I
415
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.450
couldn't really connect it because I was afraid that it
416
00:23:06.509 --> 00:23:09.130
was going to take away too much from it. the
417
00:23:09.170 --> 00:23:11.990
other things that were, uh, you know, trying to be
418
00:23:12.170 --> 00:23:15.059
explained in the foundation for being laid out. But if,
419
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:20.619
I mean, it could have been a three hour long movie.
420
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.180
I was like, I was like, I'm done. I'm done
421
00:23:23.220 --> 00:23:27.859
with this research. I'm done. And then I was like, no,
422
00:23:27.940 --> 00:23:30.279
I can't. And I would look at it and do
423
00:23:30.339 --> 00:23:31.660
it some more. And I'd have you look up some
424
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:33.640
more stuff. And then there was a point that I
425
00:23:33.660 --> 00:23:36.519
would just like message you. And I was like, I'm done.
426
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:39.900
We're done. We're done further because this thing is never
427
00:23:39.940 --> 00:23:42.900
going to get done. If, if we keep, you know,
428
00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:44.690
going down the research rabbit hole, you know?
429
00:23:44.990 --> 00:23:47.829
Yeah. I appreciate you saying that because people that aren't involved,
430
00:23:47.849 --> 00:23:49.730
of course, I'm not a filmmaker, I'm a writer, but
431
00:23:50.230 --> 00:23:52.190
you know, there's a part where you actually start to
432
00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:55.099
really dislike your creation, you know, and you really start
433
00:23:55.130 --> 00:23:57.359
to hate it, you know? And I know when I'm writing,
434
00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:59.480
I get to a point where I'm like, I hate
435
00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.680
this book. I just want it done. I want it over.
436
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:04.619
you know, I want to send it to the publisher
437
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.140
and get it out of my air. So, uh, so
438
00:24:07.180 --> 00:24:10.319
I can certainly appreciate the, uh, you know, that the
439
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.539
point you get to, uh, in the creative process with that,
440
00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:14.940
that this was, uh, this, this was a lot of information.
441
00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:17.069
This was a lot of data to, uh, to slog
442
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.730
through and, uh, putting it together in a coherent, you know,
443
00:24:20.869 --> 00:24:23.890
a product like you did, you know, especially with everything
444
00:24:23.950 --> 00:24:27.509
tied together, uh, factually is, uh, you know, was, uh,
445
00:24:27.930 --> 00:24:29.849
was quite the chore. And, and like I said, you did,
446
00:24:29.890 --> 00:24:32.170
did a great job with it. I, uh, I thoroughly
447
00:24:32.210 --> 00:24:33.859
enjoyed the film, and I'm not saying that because I
448
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:35.980
had something to do with it. My wife and I
449
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.299
watched it, and we thought it was quite informative.
450
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.880
Thank you very much. Now, when it comes to the
451
00:24:43.809 --> 00:24:49.009
intelligence gathering of this, because I 100% believe that children
452
00:24:49.029 --> 00:24:55.319
have been since, verifiably since the 60s with MGM, Mentally
453
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.400
Gifted Minors, out of California. And what year were you,
454
00:24:59.980 --> 00:25:01.700
you said you were in Florida when you were in
455
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:02.589
the gate program?
456
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:06.970
Yeah. Yeah. That was, uh, that would have been in the,
457
00:25:07.009 --> 00:25:08.349
when I was five, that would have been in the
458
00:25:08.490 --> 00:25:13.869
late sixties, like right. 68, 69, right around at that time.
459
00:25:14.410 --> 00:25:17.990
So that would have been at Metcalf elementary school, uh,
460
00:25:18.210 --> 00:25:22.480
in Alachua County, Florida, uh, which, if anybody knows, the
461
00:25:22.509 --> 00:25:25.630
big town in Alachua County, Florida, is Gainesville, which is
462
00:25:25.690 --> 00:25:28.869
home of one of the nation's premier research universities, the
463
00:25:28.910 --> 00:25:29.769
University of Florida.
464
00:25:31.809 --> 00:25:35.349
And how close, if you could remember, how close is
465
00:25:35.390 --> 00:25:39.930
that to a military facility or an Air Force base?
466
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:47.579
Let's see. Gainesville, you have Homestead to the southeast, and
467
00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:51.119
then if you go to the southwest, you have... Uh,
468
00:25:51.259 --> 00:25:53.559
MacDill Air Force Base, you know, of course, which is, uh,
469
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.470
you know, CENTCOM is down at MacDill. Uh, then you
470
00:25:57.509 --> 00:26:01.950
go north, uh, you hit Warner Robins in Georgia. Uh,
471
00:26:02.450 --> 00:26:04.750
so yeah, there's, it's kind of like surrounded by, you know,
472
00:26:04.789 --> 00:26:08.660
various military bases, uh, right there, especially with Homestead to
473
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.079
the southeast and, uh, MacDill to the southwest.
474
00:26:13.190 --> 00:26:18.329
Now, you remember getting a certain drink, right? It wasn't
475
00:26:18.369 --> 00:26:21.349
a pink drink, but it was some kind of other drink?
476
00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:27.690
I remember drinking something. Now, memory is a strange thing.
477
00:26:27.750 --> 00:26:34.599
They were doing a lot of immunizations for smallpox and
478
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:37.720
a lot of the other diseases that we've eradicated since then,
479
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.420
so the kids don't really get these days. So, you know,
480
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:44.339
we had a smallpox, a polio. We were just coming
481
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.640
off of, you know, the polio thing in the 40s
482
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.119
and the 50s. You know, in the 60s, kids were
483
00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:54.680
starting to get inoculated. So, you know, I could be
484
00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:57.930
getting those remembered. But I do remember something about, and
485
00:26:57.950 --> 00:27:01.289
we talked about this earlier, something about colored beads or
486
00:27:01.390 --> 00:27:03.950
strings or like a wire thing that you like run
487
00:27:03.990 --> 00:27:07.549
these beads around, you know, or linking things. You know,
488
00:27:07.569 --> 00:27:12.500
it's just kind of very odd. And I remember my
489
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:18.460
mother being very proud because, you know, in elementary school,
490
00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:22.319
I was given an IQ test and it, you know,
491
00:27:22.339 --> 00:27:25.980
apparently was high enough to get me into the gate
492
00:27:26.019 --> 00:27:28.539
program or the gifted program. So I remember my mom,
493
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.839
you know, being very proud about that and telling all
494
00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:33.859
of her friends over, you know, coffee, you know, drinking
495
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:36.839
coffee and smoking a big viceroy cigarettes back then and,
496
00:27:37.589 --> 00:27:38.440
you know, and all of that.
497
00:27:38.549 --> 00:27:38.700
So.
498
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:43.500
Yeah, it was an interesting time, certainly to be a
499
00:27:43.539 --> 00:27:45.940
kid in a public school.
500
00:27:47.549 --> 00:27:50.230
Well, that's the thing is that many people were told
501
00:27:50.349 --> 00:27:53.230
different things as to the reason why they needed to
502
00:27:53.269 --> 00:27:57.089
take the substance. And people don't believe me whenever I
503
00:27:57.130 --> 00:28:01.220
tell them that they do have liquid vaccinations. Liquid vaccinations
504
00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:04.799
are very real. The military even, and you probably know this,
505
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:09.519
but the military actually has air vaccinations.
506
00:28:09.940 --> 00:28:10.759
Oh, gosh.
507
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.000
Yeah. Pneumatic, pneumatic back. Oh, those are very real.
508
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:14.339
Yes.
509
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.740
I can personally attest to that. Yeah. Running, running down
510
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.559
through a line with a bunch of other guys with
511
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.640
technicians on each side, shooting vaccines into your arms. You know,
512
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.880
you can't raise your arms for about a week after that.
513
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:28.160
So.
514
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.569
Yeah, they don't believe me when I tell them that,
515
00:28:33.619 --> 00:28:39.089
but I should pull up the documentation. But yeah, they
516
00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:44.230
have air vaccinations. They have liquid vaccinations. So like all
517
00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:46.869
this stuff is very real. And that's some of the
518
00:28:46.930 --> 00:28:49.299
things that I was, you know, kind of looking at
519
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:52.680
and putting two and two together on is like, because
520
00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:56.640
you have you and Cameron in Canada, Ravenscrag, they were
521
00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:58.420
doing these MKUltra experiments.
522
00:28:58.460 --> 00:28:59.259
Right, right.
523
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:04.089
What was going on in the gifted and talented education
524
00:29:04.150 --> 00:29:07.130
and what people remember happening to them, you know, is
525
00:29:07.190 --> 00:29:10.029
the strange substance of, going in and putting the headphones
526
00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:15.099
on the weird, strange hearing test, uh, you know, and then, uh, uh,
527
00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:19.140
playing with blocks, putting 3d goggles on 3d glasses and
528
00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:23.380
all that. It seems very similar to what was happening
529
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.359
at Ravenscrag in Canada with Dr. Hugh and Cameron and
530
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.940
his MK ultra sub project. It's very, very similar just
531
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:32.480
in the description and the things that he was doing,
532
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:38.319
which was giving them a substance, traumatizing them taking them
533
00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:42.319
into a and doing psychic driving which involves a looped
534
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:47.809
repeated audio message with headphones yep okay so when you
535
00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:53.390
combine these two things together they seem almost identical so
536
00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:55.690
then it's like okay well what is really going on
537
00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:59.869
here when we have these two separate types of programs
538
00:29:59.910 --> 00:30:03.849
going on, but they're very similar in nature and the
539
00:30:03.910 --> 00:30:06.309
things that were being, that was happening.
540
00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:08.009
Yeah.
541
00:30:08.029 --> 00:30:10.170
You know, and you were talking about psychic driving and
542
00:30:10.210 --> 00:30:13.549
something that just kind of popped into my mind is, uh,
543
00:30:13.670 --> 00:30:16.170
if you go and you research into the CIA's, uh,
544
00:30:16.230 --> 00:30:19.809
enhanced interrogation, uh, program, which, you know, goes way, way,
545
00:30:19.849 --> 00:30:23.660
way back. And, you know, some of the psychic driving, uh,
546
00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:25.640
that they were doing to try to break down, uh,
547
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.769
you know, potential, uh, enemy agents, uh, when interrogating was
548
00:30:29.809 --> 00:30:33.859
psychic driving and sensory deprivation. And that's where the sensory
549
00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:37.440
deprivation tanks came from, which evolved into the Samadhi tanks,
550
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.799
which are actually used for relaxation and not torture. You know,
551
00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:45.900
it's actually was 180 degrees from what the CIA envisioned,
552
00:30:46.819 --> 00:30:48.859
you envision these tanks for. And then you, you know,
553
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.319
you get into some of Lily's research with LSD and,
554
00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:54.079
you know, some of the other, the other stuff, it
555
00:30:54.140 --> 00:30:56.289
gets really interesting indeed. And, you know, you have to,
556
00:30:56.779 --> 00:31:00.440
you have to think that you have these different sub-programs.
557
00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:03.500
You had MKUltra and then you have the sub-programs, you know,
558
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.440
like we learned about. And there has to be cross-pollinization
559
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.750
among sub-programs. You know, so the interrogation guys were, you know,
560
00:31:11.789 --> 00:31:16.529
maybe hearing from the, you know, the gate project guys
561
00:31:16.589 --> 00:31:19.349
and the gate project guys were maybe talking to maybe
562
00:31:19.369 --> 00:31:22.690
some of the remote viewing guys. And, you know, maybe
563
00:31:22.769 --> 00:31:24.789
some of there was a lot of cross-pollinization in some
564
00:31:24.809 --> 00:31:25.450
of their research.
565
00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:30.240
I mean, there has to be. It's the only thing
566
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.380
that makes sense as to why that they're so similar.
567
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.509
And then when I showed at the end of the movie,
568
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:42.390
the photographs from Indian Lake, New York, it's like, you know,
569
00:31:42.730 --> 00:31:48.089
how could that have been faked?
570
00:31:48.369 --> 00:31:48.650
Yeah.
571
00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:53.210
When people just now have been talking about it, and
572
00:31:53.250 --> 00:31:54.700
this was a post from the early 2000s.
573
00:31:55.940 --> 00:31:56.500
Right, right.
574
00:31:56.539 --> 00:31:56.819
And then.
575
00:31:56.859 --> 00:31:57.440
You know what I mean?
576
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.029
It's like, I don't want to ruin, I don't want
577
00:31:59.049 --> 00:31:59.710
to spoil the.
578
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:00.670
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
579
00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:04.230
I haven't seen it, but it's like, you know, when
580
00:32:04.269 --> 00:32:07.930
you put all these things together, it's really hard to
581
00:32:08.690 --> 00:32:11.910
come to some other different conclusion, you know? People have
582
00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:14.690
tried to say that, you know, this was just a...
583
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.079
president's physical fitness test or it's the health department or whatever.
584
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.599
And I'm like, no, this is something different. You know,
585
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.109
that's been the only kind of counter that I've seen
586
00:32:26.630 --> 00:32:31.269
so far to the movie is that, you know, it's the, the,
587
00:32:31.349 --> 00:32:34.130
this was a standard thing that everybody went through and
588
00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:38.359
people are misremembering. Then I'm like, well, how do you
589
00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:41.900
discount the documents and all that? I want to get
590
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.059
your thoughts for sure. Go ahead.
591
00:32:43.710 --> 00:32:45.400
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, you're absolutely right. It's how
592
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.980
do you discount the documents? These things, no kidding, were
593
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.519
going on. And, you know, anybody, if they watch the
594
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.240
film and they have any questions about the veracity of
595
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.680
the documents, you know, take notes, you know, pit pause,
596
00:32:58.779 --> 00:33:00.839
take notes on some of the verbiage and go back
597
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.039
into the CIA's own archives and you can find these
598
00:33:03.099 --> 00:33:06.500
documents yourselves. You know, none of the stuff that, you know,
599
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.779
we uncovered was classified or restricted. It's all out there
600
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:14.130
for public knowledge. it's just really buried deep and sometimes
601
00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:16.650
kind of hard to get to. Uh, you know, and
602
00:33:16.670 --> 00:33:19.650
if you, you know, if you start using certain keywords
603
00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:21.690
or code words, you can, you know, you can kind
604
00:33:21.730 --> 00:33:25.720
of coax the system out into producing more stuff. Uh,
605
00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:28.740
and I had a really cool thought. I just completely
606
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.759
escaped me. Uh, but you were talking about, uh, Oh,
607
00:33:31.859 --> 00:33:35.579
I know what it was. Uh, you know, people were misremembering, uh,
608
00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:39.700
you know, potential, uh, you know, things, something I didn't,
609
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.619
did not see any tie into, but something I always
610
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:45.960
wondered about, and I don't know if it was a
611
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.680
thing when you were a kid, were the scoliosis exams.
612
00:33:51.259 --> 00:33:54.519
Do you remember those? I mean, that was a huge thing,
613
00:33:55.269 --> 00:33:57.569
you know, where, you know, boys had to wear shorts,
614
00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:01.009
girls had to wear shorts and halter tops, and some
615
00:34:01.029 --> 00:34:04.049
sort of governmental health official showed up at your school
616
00:34:05.009 --> 00:34:06.970
and would sit in a chair and you would bend
617
00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:10.250
over and they would run their fingers down your spine. Now,
618
00:34:10.369 --> 00:34:14.309
why does the government have such a strange, perverse interest
619
00:34:15.010 --> 00:34:16.860
in the curvature of children's spines?
620
00:34:18.380 --> 00:34:18.679
Why?
621
00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:25.380
And where did those records go? You know, somewhere there's
622
00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:29.380
a record of Trey Hudson's spine in the government archives somewhere.
623
00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:34.280
Why was that a big deal? And I always wondered,
624
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.199
does that tie into some of this stuff? Because I
625
00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:42.500
remember it was a big bureaucratic program. Data was collected.
626
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:47.409
Government officials were on site. A story was given to
627
00:34:47.449 --> 00:34:49.670
the parents on why this was being done for their
628
00:34:49.730 --> 00:34:53.949
children's own good. This is for your children's own good, parents.
629
00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:57.070
Don't ask too many questions. Just send them to school
630
00:34:57.690 --> 00:35:01.170
in shorts and a halter top. And what was the
631
00:35:01.210 --> 00:35:02.269
real story behind that?
632
00:35:06.650 --> 00:35:09.210
That's a really weird one. That's a really weird one.
633
00:35:09.269 --> 00:35:12.190
I didn't even think about it. The scoliosis wasn't a
634
00:35:12.250 --> 00:35:15.010
thing whenever I was in the, in school, but I
635
00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:17.630
went to private school. So I kind of skipped over
636
00:35:17.650 --> 00:35:20.809
a lot of that, but I remember a, like the
637
00:35:20.909 --> 00:35:24.860
health department coming and doing some hand washing stuff and
638
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.619
some teeth brushing stuff. And I do remember the president's
639
00:35:29.659 --> 00:35:34.800
physical fitness test, but again, These are different things. And
640
00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:39.280
they can use that to disguise the real thing as well.
641
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.860
Because if you just have a bunch of people involved
642
00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:48.519
in a strange test every quarterly or half a year
643
00:35:48.739 --> 00:35:52.860
or a yearly test, then people can misremember the opposite
644
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.460
way too and think that then they can hide the
645
00:35:56.539 --> 00:36:01.159
more nefarious stuff underneath the blanket of the one that
646
00:36:01.219 --> 00:36:02.559
everybody is involved with.
647
00:36:03.699 --> 00:36:05.860
I'll give you an example. I think you and I
648
00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:11.320
talked about this on the side. I started hearing people
649
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:16.639
online talking about I remember having to like keep my teeth,
650
00:36:17.659 --> 00:36:20.300
you know, my baby teeth in like a jar and
651
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.630
then take them to school and the school would collect
652
00:36:22.650 --> 00:36:25.929
them and give them to government agents. And I'm like,
653
00:36:26.469 --> 00:36:29.730
that's poppycock. That doesn't even make sense. So I started
654
00:36:29.769 --> 00:36:34.050
researching that and it turns out that the government was
655
00:36:34.309 --> 00:36:37.929
actually had a program where you would bring your baby
656
00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:40.650
teeth in and you would give them to your teacher.
657
00:36:40.690 --> 00:36:43.960
The teacher would catalog and collect them. And they were
658
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:48.360
monitoring the amount of radiation absorbed in baby teeth from
659
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.389
open air nuclear testing. And you can go and research
660
00:36:52.409 --> 00:36:54.550
this yourself. And I'm trying to remember if it was
661
00:36:54.610 --> 00:36:57.510
Atomic Energy Commission. It was one of the agencies that
662
00:36:57.550 --> 00:37:00.309
actually set this program up through school. And for kids,
663
00:37:00.349 --> 00:37:02.489
it was fun because they get like a little, you know,
664
00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:05.000
a little badge, like with a little smiley tooth on
665
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.659
it saying, you know, my teeth are being tested for
666
00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:11.829
science or something like that. And, you know, people remembering
667
00:37:11.869 --> 00:37:15.210
this really weird ritual of saving their teeth. But it
668
00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:17.809
turns out there was actually fact behind it. And it
669
00:37:17.849 --> 00:37:20.969
was a government program back in the Cold War to
670
00:37:21.190 --> 00:37:26.409
test and monitor absorption of radioactivity in the roots of
671
00:37:26.690 --> 00:37:27.309
children's teeth.
672
00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:31.829
Do you believe that that was the real reason? Or
673
00:37:31.869 --> 00:37:35.440
do you think that there was another reason underneath that? I.
674
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.099
I, my gut tells me the reason is there was
675
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.019
some runaway, uh, open air nuclear testing, you know, when
676
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.179
they would test some of these weapons out, especially I can,
677
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.460
you know, uh, Mercury, Nevada, you know, places like that,
678
00:37:48.980 --> 00:37:51.340
that some of the, the, the yields were a little
679
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.030
bit higher than they expected and they had fallout issues. Uh,
680
00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:58.969
a great, uh, example of that is, uh, the movie,
681
00:37:58.989 --> 00:38:02.639
the conqueror with John Wayne, where he played Genghis Khan, uh,
682
00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:07.619
Howard Hughes was the producer, actually brought some of the
683
00:38:07.659 --> 00:38:10.630
dirt back from where they filmed it in Nevada, which
684
00:38:10.670 --> 00:38:13.730
was downwind from some of the open air nuclear testing.
685
00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:15.969
And it turns out that most of the cast and
686
00:38:16.030 --> 00:38:18.840
crew of that movie died of cancer later on for
687
00:38:18.860 --> 00:38:20.940
being exposed to that radioactive fallout.
688
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:29.280
What are they doing with our children's teeth? That is wild. Yeah,
689
00:38:29.300 --> 00:38:31.840
I remember you showing some articles about that on one
690
00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:35.300
of the other shows. That's really wild. Yeah, a couple
691
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.289
of that with the scoliosis experiments and, I mean, the testing. Like,
692
00:38:40.630 --> 00:38:42.989
anything that the government ever says is for our health
693
00:38:43.070 --> 00:38:44.250
is never for our health.
694
00:38:44.590 --> 00:38:44.769
Right.
695
00:38:44.889 --> 00:38:49.329
I don't know. why they would be so concerned over,
696
00:38:49.530 --> 00:38:54.530
you know, testing children for their teeth for radiation. I mean,
697
00:38:54.570 --> 00:38:56.440
what are they actually going to do about it?
698
00:38:56.530 --> 00:38:58.539
Right, right, right. You know, and you got to remember,
699
00:38:58.579 --> 00:39:00.420
this is the same, you know, and I don't want
700
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.440
to get all anti-government. You know, I made a pretty
701
00:39:03.460 --> 00:39:06.699
good living working for the government for quite a few years. But,
702
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.300
you know, this was the same government that purposely gave
703
00:39:10.780 --> 00:39:17.440
African-American men syphilis in Tuskegee, Alabama. to monitor the progression
704
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:21.099
of that disease. And these poor men were purposely infected
705
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:25.269
with syphilis as it ate away their body and their minds.
706
00:39:26.090 --> 00:39:30.469
How insidious is that? So I think it's a fair question.
707
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.699
What were they doing with the teeth? Why were they
708
00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:36.480
so concerned with curvature of people's spines? What was the
709
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:37.440
real reason behind this?
710
00:39:39.289 --> 00:39:43.969
Yeah, and then they did... We've been doing biological warfare
711
00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:48.920
for freaking ages on our own population.
712
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:49.679
Yeah.
713
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.340
There was a whole thing out in California where they
714
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.079
were dumping a bunch of stuff from planes and they
715
00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.239
killed a bunch of people. I can't remember the name
716
00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:03.510
of that, but it was somehow connected to radiation and
717
00:40:03.550 --> 00:40:09.829
cancer-causing experiments. And there was that one... you remember that one, uh,
718
00:40:10.070 --> 00:40:13.280
clip that you sent me of a lady that was testifying.
719
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:14.590
Oh yes.
720
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:15.760
Yeah.
721
00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:19.599
Under MK, uh, about MK ultra and about this doctor
722
00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:25.559
that would hit her with radiation in her, uh, in
723
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.400
her private area. And like, is the talking about this
724
00:40:29.659 --> 00:40:31.739
when this was happening to her when she was a child.
725
00:40:32.449 --> 00:40:32.619
Right.
726
00:40:32.659 --> 00:40:32.760
Right.
727
00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:35.550
And she, she's testifying before the Senate, you know, and,
728
00:40:35.570 --> 00:40:37.469
I think I was able to find the Senate, uh,
729
00:40:38.849 --> 00:40:42.789
proceedings of that. Yeah. And, you know, something else, you know,
730
00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:45.610
you were talking about, you know, biological testing. A lot
731
00:40:45.650 --> 00:40:50.239
of people don't realize this is, is there was a
732
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.059
thing called the great Dugway sheep kill. And I learned
733
00:40:53.099 --> 00:40:56.460
this when I was working with chemical weapons is back in,
734
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.519
I think it was the sixties or early seventies at
735
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.699
Dugway proving ground. They were doing open air testing of
736
00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:06.789
dispersal of chemical weapons, you know, actually in the air.
737
00:41:07.590 --> 00:41:11.280
And they miscalculated the wind direction, and it ended up
738
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:15.659
drifting into the public and killing off a sheep herd.
739
00:41:16.619 --> 00:41:19.559
And it was a famous incident that happened at the
740
00:41:19.579 --> 00:41:23.449
Dugway Proving Ground there in Utah. And so, you know,
741
00:41:23.590 --> 00:41:25.869
what else is being tested in the air? You know,
742
00:41:25.949 --> 00:41:29.610
there was a test done. I believe it was with
743
00:41:29.889 --> 00:41:35.210
a supposedly inert biological substance that was sprayed in the
744
00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:39.119
New York City subways. to look at how a pathogen
745
00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:43.010
could be spread, you know, throughout a urban area that had,
746
00:41:43.349 --> 00:41:47.989
you know, rail rapid transit. And the people that took
747
00:41:48.050 --> 00:41:49.690
part of this study never knew about it.
748
00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:56.449
What's really crazy, Trey, is that how do they think
749
00:41:56.489 --> 00:41:59.070
that they're going to get away with it? Like, that's
750
00:41:59.090 --> 00:42:02.699
the thing about poisoning all of the food and doing
751
00:42:02.739 --> 00:42:08.219
these biological chemical testing on, open air population is, is
752
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.300
that do these people that are doing this realize that
753
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.059
their kids also have to live here?
754
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.260
Yeah.
755
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.179
Also have to eat the food.
756
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:25.440
I think it's something that we have to kind of,
757
00:42:26.210 --> 00:42:31.280
you know, step back and, you know, consider, We always
758
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.380
have to be very careful of looking at the past
759
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.860
through today's optics. There was a very interesting quote where
760
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.219
it says, the past is a foreign country. They do
761
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:48.190
things differently there. And we have to remember, in 1945,
762
00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:51.769
we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The
763
00:42:51.809 --> 00:42:55.409
first was a uranium gun bomb. Second on Nagasaki was,
764
00:42:55.489 --> 00:42:58.719
of course, a plutonium, the Fat Man plutonium bomb. We
765
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.460
held that secret until it was leaked by the Rosenberg
766
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:08.559
and Fuchs to the Soviets in 1949. Then the race
767
00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:13.039
was on. And not long after that, the Chinese detonated
768
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:18.989
their first hydrogen bomb. So the existential threat to the
769
00:43:19.070 --> 00:43:26.170
United States and the Western capitalistic culture was very, very real. Very,
770
00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:29.510
very real. And there were many people, you know, in
771
00:43:30.469 --> 00:43:33.429
the halls of government, all the way from the POTUS down,
772
00:43:34.369 --> 00:43:37.170
that felt like a lot of times the end justified
773
00:43:37.210 --> 00:43:40.010
the means. Now, I'm not giving people excuses. That's not
774
00:43:40.050 --> 00:43:42.239
what I'm doing. But I'm saying that was the mindset.
775
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.639
And a lot of Americans felt like, you know, it's
776
00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:52.019
either us or the Soviets, and these things are justified.
777
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.610
That's why the open-air nuclear testing done, you know, at
778
00:43:55.659 --> 00:44:01.210
the tests, out in Nevada were, you know, looked at
779
00:44:01.510 --> 00:44:06.030
reasonably favorably, if not, you know, with a certain degree of,
780
00:44:06.869 --> 00:44:09.750
you know, chagrin by the public, but nothing was really
781
00:44:09.789 --> 00:44:13.420
said about it. That's why the open-air nuclear testing is
782
00:44:13.469 --> 00:44:16.820
at Bikini Atoll and some other places. That's why during
783
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.980
Project Starfish Prime, nuclear bombs were actually detonated in space.
784
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:27.230
And the effects... And you supported these things because you
785
00:44:27.250 --> 00:44:29.570
wanted to be a patriot. You know, you wanted to be,
786
00:44:30.389 --> 00:44:34.269
you know, strike a blow against the commies. And so
787
00:44:34.309 --> 00:44:36.949
I think that a lot of, a lot of people
788
00:44:37.110 --> 00:44:38.949
kind of held their nose and went along with this
789
00:44:38.989 --> 00:44:41.719
stuff because they felt like that was the thing to do.
790
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:45.800
Not understanding that, you know, generations, like you said, down
791
00:44:45.860 --> 00:44:52.239
the road, the effects, you know, could be, be, you know, very,
792
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.929
very serious. And I'll give you an example that, The
793
00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:59.829
poisoning of the Columbia River from the Hanford Nuclear Facility
794
00:45:00.090 --> 00:45:03.969
there in Washington State. Very serious. The poisoning of the
795
00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:10.480
environment at Oak Ridge in Tennessee. Various military installations, military
796
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:13.920
industrial facilities that have poisoned the groundwater.
797
00:45:17.329 --> 00:45:21.690
There's a lot of those, Trey, all over the United States.
798
00:45:22.179 --> 00:45:25.260
Yeah, I can tell you some personal stories when we're
799
00:45:25.300 --> 00:45:27.719
off air about that and how bad they really are.
800
00:45:27.739 --> 00:45:32.050
You know, Area 51, you know, the Nellis Air Force
801
00:45:32.090 --> 00:45:35.510
Base there at Groom Lake, some of the environmental concerns
802
00:45:35.570 --> 00:45:38.210
there that actually resulted in people getting very, very sick
803
00:45:38.590 --> 00:45:40.889
that was covered up under the veneer of secrecy and
804
00:45:40.929 --> 00:45:43.900
national security. So, you know, I think, you know, I
805
00:45:43.929 --> 00:45:45.500
think a lot of people kind of, you know, held
806
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.579
their nose and went along with this. all for what
807
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.880
they considered the greater good, not understanding the price that
808
00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:55.159
their descendants would pay many years down the line.
809
00:45:57.139 --> 00:46:00.119
Well, I mean, we've been doing this since, I mean,
810
00:46:00.980 --> 00:46:03.059
one of the first ones that I can think of
811
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:09.280
was in the 1700s. I think it was like 1763
812
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:14.820
or whatever, whenever our military, the English military just contaminated
813
00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:19.159
all of the bunch of blankets with smallpox and gave
814
00:46:19.219 --> 00:46:20.699
it to the Native Americans?
815
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.019
Yes, wiped them out. Just absolutely wiped them out. You know,
816
00:46:25.059 --> 00:46:28.539
I was watching a movie today and there was something
817
00:46:28.590 --> 00:46:30.429
very interesting that was said is, you know, whenever you
818
00:46:30.469 --> 00:46:35.630
have a high technology culture interact with a low technology culture,
819
00:46:35.809 --> 00:46:40.969
the low technology culture usually doesn't fare very well. You know, and,
820
00:46:40.989 --> 00:46:42.750
you know, that was, you know, what happened then and
821
00:46:42.769 --> 00:46:46.840
it was, kind of on through, you know, the U.S.,
822
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:51.590
you know, with all of our, you know, warts and everything,
823
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.630
you know, doing, you know, maybe not too pleasant, you know,
824
00:46:54.650 --> 00:46:59.690
things to, you know, Native Americans, people of other races,
825
00:46:59.829 --> 00:47:01.650
and quite frankly, our own citizens.
826
00:47:04.269 --> 00:47:07.170
Yeah, it's just unbelievable when you think about all of
827
00:47:07.250 --> 00:47:13.170
the different things that we've done, not only to other people,
828
00:47:13.269 --> 00:47:19.159
but to ourselves. And that's why I'm not really about
829
00:47:19.219 --> 00:47:26.760
the extraterrestrial narrative, because everything that we blame on extraterrestrials
830
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.590
are the exact same things that we're doing to ourselves.
831
00:47:31.650 --> 00:47:36.650
We're doing the genetics. Modification on ourselves. We're doing the
832
00:47:37.130 --> 00:47:40.489
genetic testing on ourselves. So if we just blame this
833
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:46.440
something that we never see that is unverifiable, then it
834
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.679
just allows the people that are doing these nefarious things
835
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.199
to continue to do these nefarious things because it's blamed
836
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:56.519
on something otherworldly.
837
00:47:57.340 --> 00:48:01.179
Yeah, the famous cartoonist Walt Kelly had a cartoon called Pogo.
838
00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:04.530
was a little possum that lived in the Okefenokee swamp.
839
00:48:05.150 --> 00:48:07.690
And there's a famous quote from that comic strip where
840
00:48:07.989 --> 00:48:10.099
the little possum says, we have seen the enemy and
841
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.000
he is us. You know, we are our own, we're
842
00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:17.480
our own enemies. And, you know, that, that tends to
843
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.239
be the case, you know, throughout history. And you mentioned,
844
00:48:20.260 --> 00:48:24.230
you know, the extraterrestrial, you know, the extraterrestrial threat or,
845
00:48:24.269 --> 00:48:25.730
you know, whatever you want to call it, you know,
846
00:48:25.750 --> 00:48:31.550
the there's, there's always been a, a, a technique used
847
00:48:31.590 --> 00:48:34.570
by governments, and it was during the Cold War, it's
848
00:48:34.610 --> 00:48:38.429
called the strategy of tension. And it's always give the
849
00:48:38.489 --> 00:48:43.219
people an enemy, you know, give them something to keep
850
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:47.730
them agitated and focused on while you're doing something behind the,
851
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.500
you know, behind the scenes to them. You know, and
852
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.820
back in Italy, where this term originated, it was the
853
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.010
Red Army Brigades, you know, doing bombings and kidnappings and
854
00:48:58.030 --> 00:49:00.639
things like that. But it turned out Later on, though,
855
00:49:00.659 --> 00:49:03.940
those were actually being done by Italian intelligence. They weren't
856
00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:07.070
terrorist bombings. They were being done by the Italian government
857
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.269
to keep the Italian populace kind of stirred up so
858
00:49:10.289 --> 00:49:13.110
they were easier to manipulate. So you have to wonder
859
00:49:13.190 --> 00:49:16.670
when something comes out, especially, yeah, I know this isn't
860
00:49:16.710 --> 00:49:20.099
a show on disclosure, but you know, there's just pathetic
861
00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:25.530
dribble of crap that's coming out of disclosure, you know,
862
00:49:25.590 --> 00:49:27.690
and everybody gets all excited and it kind of makes
863
00:49:27.710 --> 00:49:30.289
you wonder, you know, what's, what's really going on, you know,
864
00:49:30.309 --> 00:49:33.090
behind the scenes, you know, what's, uh, you know, what's
865
00:49:33.130 --> 00:49:35.820
behind the curtain, you know, what's the wizard really look
866
00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:38.219
like back there. And maybe he isn't the great and
867
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.030
terrible Oz. Maybe it's just, uh, broken down old man
868
00:49:41.050 --> 00:49:42.289
pulling on some levers.
869
00:49:44.530 --> 00:49:46.650
Well we have uh i have a clip here from
870
00:49:46.730 --> 00:49:51.829
danny sheehan and he recently because i'd been talking about
871
00:49:51.869 --> 00:49:54.369
this for a while on my promotion of the movie
872
00:49:54.809 --> 00:49:58.119
and uh you know i was like it's eventually going
873
00:49:58.179 --> 00:50:01.079
to come out and it came out sooner than what
874
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:03.539
i thought that it was going to but i think
875
00:50:03.579 --> 00:50:05.340
more is going to come out on it as well
876
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.440
but uh danny sheehan talking about how The gifted and
877
00:50:09.500 --> 00:50:17.230
talented education kids are being trained to psychically remote control
878
00:50:17.449 --> 00:50:21.269
UFOs and UAPs. And this is about a two minute clip.
879
00:50:21.289 --> 00:50:24.369
I'm going to let it run its entirety. Then we'll
880
00:50:24.469 --> 00:50:25.210
discuss after.
881
00:50:26.690 --> 00:50:29.050
And so what they've done is they've lost a number
882
00:50:29.469 --> 00:50:35.710
of multi-million dollar trained US fighter pilots in trying to
883
00:50:35.750 --> 00:50:38.530
get them to fly these things. And they've killed them.
884
00:50:39.670 --> 00:50:41.489
And then they just keep going back trying to do
885
00:50:41.530 --> 00:50:44.469
it again and experiment with them and kill more of them.
886
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.860
And it's all being covered up. And so what they
887
00:50:47.900 --> 00:50:49.719
decided that they needed to do is they needed to
888
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.139
go find people who are psychic. People who have psychic
889
00:50:54.260 --> 00:50:59.929
capabilities of telepathic communication and ESP, etc. And so they
890
00:51:00.269 --> 00:51:03.889
go and they try to recruit them. And what they
891
00:51:03.949 --> 00:51:06.730
found out is that they didn't dare recruit full adults
892
00:51:06.789 --> 00:51:09.389
because they would tell about it. And they didn't want
893
00:51:09.409 --> 00:51:12.980
to sign a nondisclosure agreement. And then they go tell somebody.
894
00:51:13.219 --> 00:51:16.360
So what they did is they went after children. They
895
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.570
set up a program on the military bases where they
896
00:51:19.610 --> 00:51:23.409
have military schools for the children of the military people
897
00:51:23.469 --> 00:51:27.929
and the workers. And they started giving them tests called
898
00:51:27.949 --> 00:51:32.699
the GATE program, the Gifted and Talented Children. purporting to
899
00:51:32.739 --> 00:51:37.019
be looking for the intellectually intelligent kids. But at the
900
00:51:37.059 --> 00:51:40.360
same time, they were testing them for psychic abilities as well.
901
00:51:40.820 --> 00:51:43.559
And when they discovered some of these kids that had
902
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.840
these kind of psychic capabilities, they went to their parents
903
00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:49.119
and lied to them and said, oh, your child is
904
00:51:49.179 --> 00:51:52.300
extraordinarily intelligent, which a lot of them were, and we're
905
00:51:52.340 --> 00:51:54.059
going to give them a special scholarship, we're going to
906
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.719
have a special school we're going to bring them to.
907
00:51:56.059 --> 00:51:59.510
And they brought them to this school that turns out
908
00:51:59.530 --> 00:52:03.610
to be on the property of Northrop Grumman, a private
909
00:52:03.650 --> 00:52:08.510
aerospace corporation where they test these craft. And they bring
910
00:52:08.550 --> 00:52:11.280
the kids there. And the problem is that what they're
911
00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:15.519
doing is because they're so driven to try to create
912
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:20.780
a weapons delivery platform using this technology to deliver nuclear
913
00:52:21.059 --> 00:52:26.159
warheads into Russia or China within seconds, What they're doing
914
00:52:26.179 --> 00:52:28.480
is they're so pressed to try to accelerate the program
915
00:52:28.539 --> 00:52:34.150
that they're drugging these kids with amphetamines and frying them out,
916
00:52:34.849 --> 00:52:37.889
these young children, and then having to conceal what's happened
917
00:52:37.909 --> 00:52:41.050
to them. This is a horrible scandal that is going
918
00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:46.050
on inside the program. We now know about it in
919
00:52:46.090 --> 00:52:48.059
that they're pleading.
920
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:49.579
With us not to tell anybody about it.
921
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:51.219
You'll see how responsive I am.
922
00:52:51.820 --> 00:52:54.409
What do you think of that, Trey? You know, hmm.
923
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:03.039
I'm trying to guard my words here. That's an extraordinary claim.
924
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:11.369
And that probably would have been held behind the wall
925
00:53:11.409 --> 00:53:14.869
of a special access program. And you and I have
926
00:53:14.909 --> 00:53:16.929
talked about this before. If you are in a special
927
00:53:17.010 --> 00:53:22.389
access program, you sign a form called a DD form 2836,
928
00:53:22.389 --> 00:53:24.360
and you do not talk about what goes on in
929
00:53:24.389 --> 00:53:30.219
that program. So if there were children being juiced up
930
00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:35.610
on amphetamines by the Department of Defense, ferreted out to
931
00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:42.750
Northrop Grumman to learn to fly UAPs, I would bet
932
00:53:42.789 --> 00:53:46.420
you one of my retirement checks that that would be
933
00:53:46.460 --> 00:53:50.719
behind a special access program. And folks probably wouldn't talk
934
00:53:50.780 --> 00:53:53.980
about it. So I would have to consider the source.
935
00:53:55.530 --> 00:54:01.920
children being trained to fly UAPs, you know, and we're
936
00:54:01.940 --> 00:54:04.300
going to hope that children are able to maintain what
937
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.880
they call essential secrecy in a program like that, seems
938
00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:14.480
a bit, to me, far-fetched, in my personal opinion. However,
939
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:23.679
children being trained for psychic abilities, if people remember... if
940
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.920
when this book came out in the 1970s, Psychic Discoveries
941
00:54:26.980 --> 00:54:30.320
Behind the Iron Curtain came out in 1970, that freaked
942
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.019
a lot of people out, NDOD and others, where we
943
00:54:34.059 --> 00:54:39.579
were behind the curve seriously in our psychic studies, especially
944
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:44.719
as it pertains to defense, as it related to parity
945
00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:48.960
with the Soviet Union. So I think it is highly plausible,
946
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:54.079
if not, probable that children were being tested for psyche
947
00:54:54.119 --> 00:55:00.139
capabilities by the DOD and other multi-letter agencies like you
948
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:06.070
talked about, alluded to, and quite frankly, give the goods
949
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.190
in your film that this was being done. But it's
950
00:55:10.309 --> 00:55:15.750
piloting UAPs that to me personally, that seems a little
951
00:55:15.829 --> 00:55:19.170
out there. I haven't seen the documents or any of
952
00:55:19.230 --> 00:55:24.070
the evidence that So supposedly supports this allegation. I would
953
00:55:24.090 --> 00:55:28.650
have to give them a really close, you know, squint,
954
00:55:28.809 --> 00:55:30.829
you know, if it ever came across my desk to
955
00:55:31.090 --> 00:55:34.519
be able to really discuss the veracity of such things. But,
956
00:55:34.539 --> 00:55:37.019
you know, taking it on prima facie, to me, it
957
00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:39.159
seems a bit. Extraordinary.
958
00:55:42.110 --> 00:55:44.690
Well, the only reason that I do not believe that
959
00:55:44.769 --> 00:55:49.769
it's extraordinary, because there is documentation of remote viewers connecting
960
00:55:49.829 --> 00:55:53.059
with UAPs and psychically controlling UAPs.
961
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.000
Right, right. Now I'm talking about adults.
962
00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:56.599
Right.
963
00:55:56.780 --> 00:55:58.389
So the children thing is.
964
00:56:00.099 --> 00:56:00.360
Right.
965
00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:04.650
But it's not that far of a step from adults.
966
00:56:06.139 --> 00:56:09.500
To children is what I'm saying. So if adults can
967
00:56:09.619 --> 00:56:12.610
do it and there is, there's one, there's Darcy. We're
968
00:56:12.630 --> 00:56:17.030
made an entire documentary about, uh, on UAPs with their mind.
969
00:56:17.050 --> 00:56:22.090
So it's not that far of, uh, of a stretch.
970
00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:25.739
And when you look at the, in my movie, now,
971
00:56:26.019 --> 00:56:30.760
if you remember in Katie pages, part of her interview
972
00:56:30.820 --> 00:56:35.030
in my movie that Thomas H. Badinsky, which was, worked
973
00:56:35.130 --> 00:56:38.510
at area 51. Uh, he was a navigational engineer for
974
00:56:38.530 --> 00:56:42.309
the SR 71 Blackbird. Then he goes to Colorado and
975
00:56:42.329 --> 00:56:46.030
he starts biofeedback program, which seems like a precursor to
976
00:56:46.449 --> 00:56:49.530
the Monroe Institute or the Monroe Institute is connected somehow
977
00:56:49.570 --> 00:56:53.260
to this, uh, the, the trial learners, because it's very,
978
00:56:53.300 --> 00:56:56.380
very similar. And he's in there and you, and I
979
00:56:56.420 --> 00:56:58.900
showed the clip of the kid where he's.
980
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.840
Like, yes, yes, you did. Can you launch the rocket?
981
00:57:03.670 --> 00:57:04.889
Can you launch the rocket?
982
00:57:07.869 --> 00:57:08.070
Yeah.
983
00:57:08.429 --> 00:57:08.769
Yeah.
984
00:57:08.969 --> 00:57:09.170
Yeah.
985
00:57:09.210 --> 00:57:12.090
I mean, that that does seem odd. That does seem odd.
986
00:57:12.110 --> 00:57:14.610
You know, was that a little rocket or was that
987
00:57:14.650 --> 00:57:17.949
being used as a biofeedback tool? I I don't know.
988
00:57:17.969 --> 00:57:19.849
I just think where it just seems a little weird
989
00:57:19.869 --> 00:57:22.789
to me is I just can't see little Johnny coming
990
00:57:22.829 --> 00:57:28.099
home from Little League baseball practice. you know, and, you know,
991
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.429
jumping in a blacked out school bus and, you know,
992
00:57:30.449 --> 00:57:33.250
being driven over to, you know, Northrop Grumman to fly
993
00:57:33.269 --> 00:57:37.090
a UFO. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, he's
994
00:57:37.150 --> 00:57:40.969
not being trained to hone his capabilities and his skills
995
00:57:41.429 --> 00:57:46.039
to be utilized as an adult wherever he goes in
996
00:57:46.059 --> 00:57:50.019
the military industrial complex. You know, I think certain skill
997
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:55.960
sets are honed and sharpened. You know, I mean, in
998
00:57:56.699 --> 00:58:01.260
I'll give you an example, junior ROTC in high schools. Okay.
999
00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:05.179
Thousands and thousands of programs in high school. What they're
1000
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.260
doing is they're training kids and they're honing them to
1001
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:13.739
be military personnel. They're honing their skills. They're finding out
1002
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:18.150
who has the skills to be a potential, either a
1003
00:58:18.190 --> 00:58:21.110
military member or military officer, you know, and if a
1004
00:58:21.170 --> 00:58:23.840
kid shows promise in that, then he or she will be,
1005
00:58:23.849 --> 00:58:27.159
you know, kind of, either recruited by the military to go,
1006
00:58:27.219 --> 00:58:30.019
you know, as a, uh, a recruit, or they'll be
1007
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.400
sent to university perhaps under a army or, you know,
1008
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:36.300
other military scholarship to become an officer. So, you know,
1009
00:58:36.340 --> 00:58:38.429
it's not farfetched. We, we do it out in the
1010
00:58:38.550 --> 00:58:42.349
open with junior ROTC programs, civil air patrol. That's another
1011
00:58:42.429 --> 00:58:46.030
example of it. So, you know, why could something not being,
1012
00:58:46.429 --> 00:58:49.670
you know, why is it so unreasonable that something's done
1013
00:58:49.730 --> 00:58:52.449
sub Rosa, you know, where maybe the, you know, the true, uh,
1014
00:58:52.710 --> 00:58:55.969
the true need and, and, uh, you know, reality of
1015
00:58:56.030 --> 00:58:58.630
it is hidden, you know, hidden from even the participants.
1016
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.659
Well, I think that the key point that Danny Sheehan
1017
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:11.840
just laid out there was that the school, the he's claiming, right?
1018
00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:17.139
Because it's a claim. It's very difficult to verify, but
1019
00:59:17.179 --> 00:59:20.820
we do have verification that adults or psychic adults were.
1020
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.280
So it's not that big of a stretch, but it
1021
00:59:23.420 --> 00:59:25.469
still is a stretch because we don't really have that much.
1022
00:59:25.929 --> 00:59:31.179
We just have him saying this, right? which is a
1023
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:34.809
form of testimony. But I think that the key thing
1024
00:59:34.849 --> 00:59:38.789
that he said in there is that this is a
1025
00:59:38.929 --> 00:59:43.590
school on a military base. So these are kids of
1026
00:59:44.130 --> 00:59:48.489
military active duty, well, not active duty, but people that
1027
00:59:48.550 --> 00:59:51.860
are working on a military base. So their kids are
1028
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:56.969
going to school on a military base right so it's
1029
00:59:56.989 --> 01:00:01.340
not like they have to be shuttled from a public
1030
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:05.059
school and onto a military they're already on the military
1031
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.539
base and i think that what he's meaning is and
1032
01:00:08.619 --> 01:00:12.510
what kind of makes it more plausible is that it's
1033
01:00:12.530 --> 01:00:15.530
already taking place on a military base it's it's a
1034
01:00:15.730 --> 01:00:18.309
school that's happening on a military base it's kids of
1035
01:00:18.369 --> 01:00:22.070
people that are currently in the military. So it's not
1036
01:00:22.110 --> 01:00:25.159
like that they really have to, you know, shut them
1037
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.500
up about it. If that is the case, because they're
1038
01:00:28.539 --> 01:00:31.380
already there, their entire life is already a.
1039
01:00:33.219 --> 01:00:37.659
Great. They're in that culture. Yeah. Yeah. And that those
1040
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:41.530
are called Dodd school, a DOD school, Dodd schools. And, uh,
1041
01:00:42.090 --> 01:00:44.550
you know, something interesting about that. And you were mentioning
1042
01:00:44.570 --> 01:00:47.349
that it just kind of came to mind is, you know,
1043
01:00:47.429 --> 01:00:50.360
whatever goes on in Dodd school, you know, DOD schools,
1044
01:00:50.380 --> 01:00:54.820
you know, might not be subject to public records. You know,
1045
01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:57.400
it might be held behind as an exclusion to the
1046
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:01.099
Freedom of Information Act, the FOIA Act. So, you know,
1047
01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:03.159
who knows, you know, what went on inside of some
1048
01:01:03.179 --> 01:01:04.519
of these DOD schools.
1049
01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:09.440
Where is, I didn't know the DOD actually had, is
1050
01:01:09.460 --> 01:01:11.429
this like a public school for like high school or
1051
01:01:11.469 --> 01:01:12.219
is this like a school?
1052
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:17.889
Yeah, no, it's called the DODS, Department of Defense Schools.
1053
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.480
And they have schools on military bases all the way
1054
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:26.519
from preschool, daycare, all the way up to high school.
1055
01:01:27.699 --> 01:01:30.539
They don't always necessarily farm the kids out to the
1056
01:01:30.579 --> 01:01:32.599
local community. I'll give you an example. If you have
1057
01:01:32.659 --> 01:01:39.670
a military base in Korea, and Sergeant Smith gets assigned
1058
01:01:39.690 --> 01:01:43.929
to Korea, and he takes his family over there, he's
1059
01:01:43.969 --> 01:01:47.619
not going to enroll his American friends son or daughter
1060
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:50.320
into a Korean high school, that doesn't make any sense.
1061
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:55.070
They have schools there on the base for the service
1062
01:01:55.110 --> 01:01:59.730
members and certain authorized Department of Defense civilian personnel to
1063
01:01:59.769 --> 01:02:00.489
send their kids to.
1064
01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:08.610
What this seems like to me, Trey, is that this
1065
01:02:08.769 --> 01:02:13.170
is 100% military connected. Some of these first programs might
1066
01:02:13.230 --> 01:02:19.610
have been a direct military program with experimentation on children.
1067
01:02:19.630 --> 01:02:23.849
And that is a very bold claim. And I'm kind
1068
01:02:23.909 --> 01:02:30.079
of apprehensive about even saying it because it's a very
1069
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:38.079
big deal to believe that the military is is testing
1070
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:44.539
on children. It's a very big claim and a big deal,
1071
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:50.409
and I think that that is the crux of the
1072
01:02:50.469 --> 01:02:57.469
entire movie, the entire documentary, is that claim, is that
1073
01:02:57.610 --> 01:03:04.010
the United States military has and possibly currently still are
1074
01:03:04.809 --> 01:03:13.420
conducting tests experimentation on children. Now, besides that, uh, that point,
1075
01:03:14.619 --> 01:03:18.340
it seems like that this was the, the, the very
1076
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.960
first thing. And then it kind of goes back to
1077
01:03:21.019 --> 01:03:24.179
Laurel Canyon in LA with the big air force base
1078
01:03:24.219 --> 01:03:26.639
on top of, um, you know, a lot of those
1079
01:03:26.699 --> 01:03:32.070
musicians back in the sixties all had military family. Their
1080
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:36.550
dads were officers that were involved in the military. And
1081
01:03:36.630 --> 01:03:41.150
they would then recruit their kids because their parents were
1082
01:03:41.650 --> 01:03:45.320
tried and true and trusted people that knew that they
1083
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:47.860
could essentially keep a secret. So then they would come
1084
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.699
in and recruit their kids. And then their kids became
1085
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:57.590
essentially what would be considered influencers today on social media.
1086
01:03:57.969 --> 01:03:58.530
They became.
1087
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:03.179
big time musicians, they became, uh, you know, writers, they
1088
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:07.420
became filmmakers, they became these instrumental people within Hollywood. And
1089
01:04:07.460 --> 01:04:11.280
it seems like that that type of thing evolved and
1090
01:04:11.300 --> 01:04:15.659
they still kept using military children, uh, you know, military
1091
01:04:15.699 --> 01:04:20.900
personnel's children, but then they just expanded it to everybody's children.
1092
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.139
Yeah. It's, yeah, you mentioned that. And it just something
1093
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.429
that came to mind. A lot of people don't realize is, uh,
1094
01:04:26.510 --> 01:04:29.940
probably the biggest counterculture problem person out there was, uh,
1095
01:04:30.010 --> 01:04:32.219
you know, Jim Morrison, you know, with the doors and
1096
01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:36.260
his father was a, it was a Navy Admiral, you know, was,
1097
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.119
you know, a very big wig in the department of defense.
1098
01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:41.300
And of course you talked about the, uh, you know,
1099
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.070
the Laurel Canyon and the, uh, I believe it was
1100
01:04:43.110 --> 01:04:48.110
department of department of war film, film unit. I'm trying
1101
01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:52.309
to remember if I look out mountain there in LA
1102
01:04:52.670 --> 01:04:54.369
where they had the facility up on top of the
1103
01:04:54.389 --> 01:04:56.800
mountain and made a lot of, uh, not only, uh,
1104
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.539
propaganda films. We made a lot of classified films too. There's,
1105
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.519
you know, there's some, uh, you're pretty spooky stuff going
1106
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.940
on up there, you know, up on top of that mountain.
1107
01:05:08.619 --> 01:05:08.739
Yeah.
1108
01:05:08.780 --> 01:05:12.940
And a lot of people had classified, uh, clearances up there,
1109
01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:16.840
like actors, like not even like people that have clearance,
1110
01:05:17.059 --> 01:05:21.170
like Marilyn Monroe had a top secret clearance up there.
1111
01:05:21.889 --> 01:05:26.170
John Kerry, like Harry Grant, you know, all these actors
1112
01:05:26.230 --> 01:05:30.489
had top secret clearance and there was thousands and thousands
1113
01:05:30.610 --> 01:05:32.489
of films that were made up there that we don't
1114
01:05:32.530 --> 01:05:34.059
know about because they're all classified.
1115
01:05:34.739 --> 01:05:35.260
Right. Right.
1116
01:05:35.820 --> 01:05:39.199
Yeah, absolutely. You know, uh, Jimmy Stewart went on to
1117
01:05:39.219 --> 01:05:43.210
become an air force general. You know, a very well-known
1118
01:05:44.050 --> 01:05:46.070
actor back in the day, you know, at the peak
1119
01:05:46.090 --> 01:05:49.469
of his career, you know, went into the Air Force,
1120
01:05:49.510 --> 01:05:51.539
flew bomber missions, and then went on to become a
1121
01:05:52.099 --> 01:05:57.570
brigadier general in the, I believe, the Air Force Reserves. So,
1122
01:05:57.579 --> 01:05:58.860
you know, you have to wonder what, you know, what
1123
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:00.639
were those guys and gals up to up on top
1124
01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:03.639
of the mountain, you know, behind the locked doors and
1125
01:06:04.070 --> 01:06:06.510
the combination locks and all of that stuff.
1126
01:06:08.030 --> 01:06:11.150
It seems like the way that MK ultra just expanded
1127
01:06:11.250 --> 01:06:16.210
to everybody all at once, the entire world, uh, because
1128
01:06:16.230 --> 01:06:18.510
they figured it out on an individual level. It also
1129
01:06:18.570 --> 01:06:22.550
seems that that's the way that the, the gifted and
1130
01:06:22.590 --> 01:06:27.469
talented education first started with the military and on military
1131
01:06:27.570 --> 01:06:32.530
personnel's children. And then they just expanded it to everyone's kids.
1132
01:06:32.969 --> 01:06:37.889
Just like it doesn't matter if you're, or for somebody important,
1133
01:06:38.989 --> 01:06:41.710
if we believe that you are going to be useful,
1134
01:06:41.730 --> 01:06:45.369
then you're going to be useful. And I think that
1135
01:06:45.409 --> 01:06:49.280
that's another part of this is that people that believe
1136
01:06:49.340 --> 01:06:54.920
that they aren't useful, they probably have some sort of
1137
01:06:55.239 --> 01:07:00.139
use for them. They've found something. So the thing that
1138
01:07:00.179 --> 01:07:02.539
you might be doing right now might be part of it,
1139
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:06.900
might be part of the operation. who knows? That's the
1140
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.960
crazy part about this entire thing is you don't really know.
1141
01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:13.800
Well, and that was the thing about MK ultra is
1142
01:07:13.909 --> 01:07:16.610
it wasn't, you know, people always, you know, MK ultra,
1143
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:18.769
they think about the LSD experiments, you know, and all
1144
01:07:18.789 --> 01:07:25.269
of that stuff is it was about manipulating people from
1145
01:07:25.449 --> 01:07:28.570
all kinds of aspects, all kinds of angles. It was,
1146
01:07:28.650 --> 01:07:32.369
you know, it was psychic. It was drugs. It was
1147
01:07:32.989 --> 01:07:37.469
using sound. It was, you know, psychic driving. It was,
1148
01:07:37.570 --> 01:07:42.760
you know, remote influencing. It was remote viewing. It was
1149
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.460
all of this stuff, you know, was up under this
1150
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:49.559
umbrella program. And what's really cool is there are probably
1151
01:07:49.659 --> 01:07:55.420
sub-compartments of that program that we can't even imagine, you know,
1152
01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:00.699
that are so bizarre and so mind-blowing that, you know,
1153
01:08:00.780 --> 01:08:04.630
what will become declassified in the next 10 years? You know,
1154
01:08:04.710 --> 01:08:07.900
is it things, you know, we watch films like, or
1155
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:13.099
TV shows like Stranger Things. Stranger Things is not necessarily,
1156
01:08:13.340 --> 01:08:17.300
you know, fiction. You know, there's a web of truth
1157
01:08:17.380 --> 01:08:19.479
or a thread of truth, you know, running through that.
1158
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:23.640
So what was done, you know, in these labs, you know, with,
1159
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.859
you know, multiple ways to influence people, you know, either,
1160
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:33.350
you know, using energetics, using psychology, using pharmaceuticals or other means.
1161
01:08:34.890 --> 01:08:37.640
Absolutely. And it's been rumored for a really long time
1162
01:08:37.689 --> 01:08:44.359
that there were another 100 or another 150 MKU subprojects
1163
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:49.220
that were just, the documentation for them were apparently destroyed.
1164
01:08:49.859 --> 01:08:54.109
Yeah, I would bet on that. I would take that bet.
1165
01:08:54.470 --> 01:08:57.130
Either destroyed or still classified. Yes, absolutely.
1166
01:08:58.310 --> 01:09:00.300
And they were trying to, and what we kind of
1167
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:04.479
got was the leftovers. And the only way that we
1168
01:09:04.539 --> 01:09:07.399
even knew about those to begin with was that they
1169
01:09:07.430 --> 01:09:10.470
were just, they were stumbled upon and like a storage area.
1170
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.550
Locker or something by a person that was going in
1171
01:09:14.590 --> 01:09:17.210
to clean up a bunch of files and then randomly
1172
01:09:17.979 --> 01:09:20.119
stumbled across the 149 that we have actual documentation for today.
1173
01:09:20.380 --> 01:09:20.619
Yeah.
1174
01:09:26.529 --> 01:09:28.880
Well, Trey, brother, thank you so much for coming on.
1175
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.600
Really appreciate it. It was always a fascinating conversation. I
1176
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.579
really much, uh, really enjoyed it. Always love, uh, speaking
1177
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:38.960
with you. It's always mind, uh, bending and mind opening.
1178
01:09:39.100 --> 01:09:41.180
And we always have a really good rapport. Uh, can
1179
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.699
you tell people where they can, uh, find you where
1180
01:09:43.739 --> 01:09:47.930
they can, uh, purchase your books? Yeah.
1181
01:09:47.989 --> 01:09:53.159
Yeah. Uh, uh, shameless self plug here. You can find
1182
01:09:53.180 --> 01:09:55.359
me at Trey Hudson, a dash author on Facebook. I've
1183
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.079
got two books, Meadow Project, Return of the Meadow Project.
1184
01:09:58.300 --> 01:09:59.760
And I'm happy to say I've got my own film
1185
01:09:59.859 --> 01:10:03.039
out there on Amazon Prime too, which is the Meadow Project. So,
1186
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:05.880
you know, give it a peek. I'll tell you what,
1187
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:10.500
Friday night, watch writer's film, Saturday night, watch my film.
1188
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:13.819
And I don't care what language you speak. That's a
1189
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:15.539
hell of a lot of fun on a weekend.
1190
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:21.930
Absolutely. Get that popcorn ready. clear out that schedule watch
1191
01:10:22.170 --> 01:10:26.449
psychic agent the gate program watch the meadow project also
1192
01:10:26.729 --> 01:10:29.760
on amazon prime the links will be in the description
1193
01:10:29.939 --> 01:10:32.659
and if you would like a dvd physical copy of
1194
01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:36.539
my movie psychic agent the gate program Reach out to me.
1195
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:40.890
Email me at raisedbygiantsatoutlook.com or click the link in the
1196
01:10:40.930 --> 01:10:45.229
description to PayPal, and I'll get you out a copy,
1197
01:10:45.250 --> 01:10:48.270
a physical copy. Physical media, I believe, is going to
1198
01:10:48.289 --> 01:10:51.430
be really important in the future. Seems like it's going away,
1199
01:10:51.529 --> 01:10:54.100
but we need to keep it here to stay. While
1200
01:10:54.180 --> 01:10:58.310
everyone's going digital, we need to keep it physical. Thank you, guys.
1201
01:10:58.470 --> 01:11:00.500
Appreciate it. Please be sure to hit the thumbs up button,
1202
01:11:00.539 --> 01:11:02.619
help the channel and the algorithm, share, subscribe at the
1203
01:11:02.659 --> 01:11:05.689
bell icon as well for notifications. And we'll see you
1204
01:11:05.710 --> 01:11:06.710
guys next time.
1205
01:11:07.350 --> 01:11:07.569
Bye-bye.