The KTPF Reload show - Warminster UFO case - The 60th Anniversary

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Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering
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what the Greload Show is about if you haven't heard
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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by
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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the
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days of the KTPF radio show. They're own radio show
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around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for
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over three hours. I joined them in the last eighteen
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months of the show's run, but eventually the guys felt
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they've just about had enough. It was a monumental effort
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to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It was
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a wonderful show, but unfortunately they are longer involved and
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the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.
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So I thought it would be nice to bring them
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back to life and bringing you the interviews that the
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guys conducted over those four years and include some of
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the most interesting people within the world of the paranormal
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and some not so well known but nevertheless still very interesting.
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We even have one or two rather unusual shows, including
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a live salance and other things along those lines. Anyway,
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hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this is the KTPF
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Reload Show.
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Enjoy This program deals with themes of an adult nature
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and is intended for a mature audience. You're in the
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right place online, on the web and on air all
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over the world talk radio. You hear us, We hear you.
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Yeah. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another
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edition of the KTPF Community Talk Show, Live and uncensored
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from Manchester. My name is Suzanne, and over in Essex
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we have our regular co host Andy Mercer. Now we're
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here keeping the paranormal friendly, so pull up a chair
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and relax with us while we bring you through the supernatural,
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the paranormal and other stone phenomena. Right, well, let me
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tell you what's coming up today. We have Kevin Goodman
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talking about the warmingster Ufo mystery. Now apparently when it
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happened back in nineteen sixty four, cards stopped, birds were killed,
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children terrified, and reports of strange humming, noises, tremors, lights,
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crop circles, and UFOs were seen. Co author of two
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books on the Warmerster Ufoe mystery, Kevin was a skywatcher
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during the heady days of nineteen seventies and continues to
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be interested in the UFO phenomena that occurred. So we're
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going to find out what did happen in that small
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leafy Wiltshire town and Kevin. I must say that Kevin
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and his co author Steve Dewey, who's not with us tonight,
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are the acknowledged experts in this most unusual case. So
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that's what's happening tonight now, Andy, on the subject of
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human pendulums.
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Oh yes, Oh, believe you have.
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Something to tell us, would you.
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Like absolutely in a few minutes. Yeah, yeah, I can do.
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I went to a therapist like a pray conference yesterday,
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which is an annual conference organization I'm a member of,
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and one of the speakers there he's talking partly about
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his own form of therapy that he's come up with
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that is a combination of what's called kinesthetic therapy, involving
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into like tapping routines, etc. And the science behind it
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rather than just sort of being airy. Fray Woolu is
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actually a PhD Graduate in physics, so he knows this
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stuff scientifically. It features that he's discovered is that depending
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on whether you're positively or negatively orientated, or how you
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how you're wired in the brain, effectively, you can get
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a yes answer to something by thinking the word yes
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quite clear in your head. You start to lean forwards,
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and if you think the word no, you start to
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lean backwards. And it's been a phenomen it's been tested
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over and over again. The vast majority of the population
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work that way. A few people work the reverse, as
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they'll go backwards for yes and forward for no. But
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if you then tap on a particular meridian point on
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your hand, you reorientate yourself and then you will do
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the same thing as everybody else. You're lean forward for
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yes and backwards for no. It's a neurologic and neuropsychological phenomena.
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It's been investigative and there's lots of science behind it.
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But it's something to do with positive and negative thinking.
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That you're naturally drawn forward to positivity and away from
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anything negative, including negativity like the word no, because it's
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a connotation of not nice, you know, negative stuff, whereas
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yes it's an affirmative that's happy to do something. You
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tend to psychologic we tend to go to war things
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that are yes and a waif from things that are no.
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So if you're just staying there and people saying yes
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and no to you, and you're thinking it is the
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same with me, and you want there to be something there,
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the chance you can lean forward because you want it
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to be there with you, and then you might lean
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backwards if you don't want it to be with you.
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So it kind of pretty much explains a human pendulum
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effect that it is down to what you're thinking rather
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than anything else. So that's just what I mentioned that.
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Our guess, Oh, yes, time is sleeting. Let's add him
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to the group. Are you ready for this, Sandy? Yeah?
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I think Andy's looking forward to this collecting.
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I am interested.
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Yes, Let's see if we can get him on the line. So,
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so to speak, are you there, Kevin? Can you come fourth?
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I am fourth.
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Good evening, Kevin, Welcome to the KTPF Community talk show.
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And tonight we're going to be talking about all things
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you fology. Starting off, really, how long have you been
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interested in this subject? Kevin?
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Oh, lord, that is a personal question. Personal, I'd say,
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getting onto forty five odd years.
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Really, yes, God, So when it comes to Warminster, first
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of all, to start with, where is Warminster?
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Warmister is in the county of Wiltshire, about one hundred
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and twenty miles east of London, probably between Bath and Salisbury.
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When we mentioned it last week, people were getting mixed
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up with Dad's army. Close close, Okay, So when we
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spoke yesterday, I mentioned to you that not a lot
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of my listeners have heard of Warminster. Why do you
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think that this is and why do you think it's
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not so relevant as the Rendalshan Forest incident.
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Warmister was very much a product of its times, really,
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in so much that it lasted for getting on towards
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fifteen years. And as I briefly explained to you yesterday,
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when we were doing a test transmission in nineteen seventy eight,
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the South Wales phenomenon started, which was known as the
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Welsh Triangle or the dove In enigma. That lasted for
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about two years. Then of course, in nineteen eighty Renderlschrom
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hit the headlines just again as what we now class
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as multimedia has becoming out of its infancy. And I
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think that the problem is with Rendelsham now being compared
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to Roswell, that you know, there's a lot more interest
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in it because supposedly there's a lot more information available, right.
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Okay, And you don't feel there's a lot of information
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available about Warminster.
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There was in the sixties and the seventies, there's no
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two ways about it. But the problem with the UFO
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subjects in this country these days is that you're only
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as good as your latest flap or your latest breaking news.
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So you know, Warminster was dying out by the end
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of the nineteen seventies. Wells came along, took the mantle
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up and then of course obviously Rendelsham after that, and
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Rendersham has still to this day refused to die.
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Yeah, I've noticed that in many ways. So as I say,
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it's not your usual story of UFO sightings that happened
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in the sixties. So can you tell us how it
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all started?
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Well, there is a date which most people use as
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the start, which was Christmas Eve in nineteen sixty four.
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But research that I've done over the years has proved
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that there was other strange phenomenon seen within the locality,
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maybe hundreds of years before that.
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Really.
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Yeah. For example, there was a report of two landed
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gentlemen seeing strange lightning bolts and balls in the sky
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of different color, apparently fighting each other. That was in
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the seventeenth century. And then just a few years after
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the Wright brothers took their first faltering steps into the
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sky at Kitty Hawk, a large illuminated airplane and I
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used the word aeroplane in Inverted Commas was seen flying
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over the area at speed. Really, so you're talking nineteen
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oh nine, nineteen ten, something like that, which again could
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tie into the Scandinavian airship scare. But like a lot
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of things within the UFO subject, the subject itself is
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continually morphing and moving on.
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So how did it all start? There was talk about
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where are we that birds were killed? There was cars
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that stopped, tremors, lights and crop circles appeared.
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Yeah, not all at once. I hastened to add, okay, okay, well,
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as I say that it broke in Inverted Commas Christmas
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Christmas morning, actually nineteen sixty four when a local housewife,
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missus Marjorie By, was on her way to early Mass,
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and I believe it was christ Church in Warminster where
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she was assailed by sonic sounds, which, according to Arthur
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show Wood's report, left her weak, need, numb and scared.
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So that was the actual first modern day sort of
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manifestation of the thing. And at the same day there
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were reports of mysterious explosions and noises seen throughout the locality.
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For example, Roger Rump, who was then at the time
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Warmings's head postmaster, stated that it was if all five
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thousand tiles of his bungalow had been wrenched off the
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roof and slammed back into place. Now, the reason why
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he knows there was five thousand tiles was he had
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just had the roof retiled, right, Okay.
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So that's why he was so exact. Okay. So regarding
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the noises, were they similar to the sounds that we've
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been hearing in recent years, And if so, do you
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think there's a connection.
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I've heard one or two recordings of the noises, now,
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I mean, sadly, again, nobody ever seems to have actually
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had an audio recording of the noises over in war mister,
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because again we are talking something is over fifty years
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old now, so you know, even cassette recorders weren't really
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around in those days. So you know, somebody who was
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looking enough to have a real to real recorder and
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a microphone plugged in, switch it on, drag it to
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a window, open the window and stick the microphone, then
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he might have heard something. Yeah, but the noises that
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you allude to, I definitely think there is a similarity
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to these noises that have been heard throughout the world
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over about the last eighteen months or two years, in
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similar in similar respect to what started the warm is
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a phenomenon off because they talk.
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About a cracking noise, don't they One witness was talking
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about crackling noises.
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Yes, they did. It was like another somebody else actually
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reported that it was if a branch or a bough
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of a tree had been dragged across the roof, making
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this sort of crackling, whistling noise. So, as I say,
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you know, there were different types of noise which were
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alluded to. For I was getting on for about the
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first six months, well into nineteen sixty five, until the
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actual visual manifestation started around May June time, right.
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Okay, Now, just out of curiosity, are there any military
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units in the area that could be the reason for
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the phenomena? Could these sightings be from another planet or
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dimension or maybe just some other some of our own
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black ops or reversed engineered aliens ships being cited.
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That is a very interesting question. It involves a very
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convoluted answer. Okay, and I'll try and break it down
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in bits for you. Yes, there is a large military
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presence in the area. Warmister in the mid nineteen sixties
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was really famous for only three things. The School of Infantry,
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which is based just outside the town. It's now known
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as the School of Land Warfare. Would you believe Geese
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had a banana ripening plant in the town itself, which
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is sadly no longer there.
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Now really but not there.
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I thought people were bananas however. And the third thing
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was the very very early days of the Long Lead
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Safari Park, which again opened about nineteen sixty five nineteen
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sixty six. So yes, there definitely was a military presence,
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and a lot of people over the years have said, oh, yes,
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it's all military technology, it's all Black ops. But bearing
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in mind. As I said just a minute ago, this
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thing is now over fifty years old. If they were
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testing at that time what was cutting edge technology, it
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would have been retired years ago, right, Okay.
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So that's the answer to that one.
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There is a sort of further answer which I'll come
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on further on obviously, if the questions are going to
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go the way of they're going.
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Okay, well, I'm not going to dissie on this. Honestly,
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I'm following your leads. So if you want to just
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take us there, it's not a problem. Like I said,
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this is all new to me. This warmingster thing, which
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is what they called it, wasn't it a thing?
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It was known as the war Mister thing because Warmister
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at that time was a very small town. It was
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a country town, and a lot of the people there
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had very little experience of what we now class as UFO,
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so anything that was unknown was referred to as the
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thing or the things, So obviously it was a generic
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title which the people of the town used this phenomenon.
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Yeah, okay, So when it comes to the MRD, what
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was their response to this event? Did they ever investigate?
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They did investigate to a degree. For example, going back
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to those strange noises. On Christmas morning, some soldiers at
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Nook Camp, which is about four or five miles outside
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of Warmingster on the western side, going toward Salisbury, they
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heard what appeared to be They said, it sounded like
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a huge chimney stack being demolished and crashing to the ground.
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The guard was alerted, a search was made, nothing was seen,
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nothing was out of the ordinary. And yes, I do
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believe the military did quietly investigate some of the more
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stranger aspects of the warmings the phenomenon over the years,
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which does bring me actually jumping ahead right away to
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about ten years ago. I was emailed by a woman
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who basically said that during the seventies the early seventies,
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she and her family were based at Warminster in the
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army camp because her father was employed and he often
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used to go out on what they referred to as
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stag duty. Now stag duty is basically guard duty, and
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they would to alleviate the boarder often sky watched themselves,
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and they would see things that they could not rationally explain,
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And at one time somebody did go to one of
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the senior members of the camp and say, look, we've
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seen this strange light. It's done this, it's done that,
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it's done the other. And even the commander basically said, well,
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whatever it is, we don't know what it is because
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we had no exercises that night planned whatsoever. So whatever
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you saw was strange.
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Right, Okay, Can I just jump back a bit because
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we've got a question here and he's just put it up.
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Andy's with us in the on the skype there. It
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was wondering what did you mean by the Scandinavian Scandinavian scare?
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Can you just tell us a bit about.
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That, the Scandinavian airship scare that was around the time
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of the First World War and just at the end
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of the First World War. No, sorry, I tell a lie.
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It's the Scandinavian It's the Scandinavian rocket ship scare.
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Okay.
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The rocket ship scare was around, as I say that,
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the First World War and just after where strange ballistic
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strike missiles objects were seen over the Scandinavian peninsula for
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a couple of years. And the airship one that I
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allude to was actually in the United States way back
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in the eighteen hundreds.
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Ah, right, I'd heard of that one. I think about
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the airship in America. I wasn't sure that you know
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that makes sense for enough, just you mentioned it, I
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thought perhaps the listeners would have a bit more an
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idea what that one was about.
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Yeah, I do get confused, occasion brain. I blame my
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aged brain cells.
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I know that problem.
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Save. Have you got some questions?
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Yeah? The BBC, I understanded a thirty minute documentary called
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Pie in the Sky. Oh yeah, have you seen it?
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And if you did, did you think it was? Did
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you think they were fair?
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I thought they were fair For the nineteen sixties they
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were very fair. Admittedly the chief reporter was a little
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bit bias, but the whole thing was not treated, shall
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we say, with the disrespect that some modern programs probably show,
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insomuch that. In nineteen seventy eight, I think it was,
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the BBC did a second program, not specifically about Warminster,
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and this was called I Think Out of the Unknown
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and Arthur Shuttlewood, who I will come to in a
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few minutes if somebody reminds me he was actually approached
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to appear in this. The BBC spent two nights upon
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Cradle Hill, supposedly recording Arthur. By the end of the
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second night, Arthur was getting a lot more comfortable with them,
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he led his guard down slightly, and sadly they chose
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the most outlandic story that Arthur could have told them
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to actually broadcast on that program.
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Right, Okay, Steve, Yeah, I was going to ask you
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a question about Arthur. Actually, he actually wrote three.
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Books in about six sixth thought together was it?
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I know he's he did towards the end of some
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rather strange ideas. Apparently I haven't actually read them myself,
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so I don't know what they were.
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Right well, as I say, he wrote in total six books,
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The Warminster Mystery, which was the breakout book, which was
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published by Nevill Spearman. Its actual working title was The
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Warminster Sighting, but apparently somebody at Nevill Spearman felt that
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the Warminster Mystery had a little bit more punch and pizazz,
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so they decided to go with that. I believe that
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The Warmiston Mystery was a moderate best seller when it
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was first published around nineteen sixty seven. So Shuttlewood then
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took the decision to have his second book, Warminster from
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Flying Warnings from Flying Friends self published in Warminster. That
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was still doing the realms well into the late nineteen
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seventies nineteen eighties, Halfen must have had ten thousands of
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copies of that printed, but it didn't sell the vast
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amounts that he was hoping it did. And then, of course,
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the final book of his first trilogy is I do
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believe the one that you're alluding to, which is UFO's
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Keys to the New Age, where Arthur does start to
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have some very I would I'd use the expression cod
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scientific theories about UFOs.
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Said, that's what I know the name from. I've been
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trying to think, well, I know that that Chap's name from.
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It's what you just mentioned. That's the one. Yeah, Yes,
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I wonderful to ask a quick question, Kevin, could you
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give us just a brief summary about in terms I
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know nothing about this, which isn't too far from sure.
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I've had a busy week and my chance to too
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much reading. But give us like a brief explanation of
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what actually happened during that time, what the sort of
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things were going to reported? What kind of length of
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time are we talking about.
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Well, as I said, we're talking around in total fifteen years.
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I was involved towards the end of it because I
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was far too young in nineteen sixty five nineteen sixty
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to go down to Wiltshire on my own. I was
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still in short trousers in those days. It started, as
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I say, with about six months of strange, unearthly sounds
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being heard, and then around the May June time of
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nineteen sixty five the visual manifestation started. I believe the
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first sighting was made by a group of council workers
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on the town's central car park looking over towards cop Heap,
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which is an ancient Iron Age Ford burial mound, and
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they saw two red hot pokers in the sky which
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burst asunder and then flew off in various directions. By
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this time, after Shuttlewood, who was a reporter with the
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local newspaper, the War Mister Journal, was a massing a
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set of reports that people coming to him with. He
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obviously wrote his first book, and then he actually got
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his own skywatching group together of three people, himself, Cibil
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Champion and an ex RAF bomber pilot by name of
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Bob Strong, who was their photographer. They basically recorded and
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documented the Warmister phenomenon into the nineteen seven well, yes,
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well beyond the nineteen seventies into the nineteen seventies at least,
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and then they obviously then more people became involved, people
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such as Robert Chapman, who wrote a book called UFOs
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over Britain. And I also believe that Timothy Good was
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also a member of the sky watching group in Warmister
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at one stage.
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Okay, we want some questions in the chat room for you.
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I was just reading one there, so I got lost
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when I was going to ask you a bit later.
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But I'll ask you now because Brendan Moss has also
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asked the same question. Have you had any personal experiences
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of UFOs? Which is one that I was going to
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ask anyway, But do you want to answer that now?
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I will answer that for you now. The answer for
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that is yes, And.
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Where have you seen these things?
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You can't say yes, of course I can.
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I've eat it.
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I'll go eat this out, haven't I. Okay, again, I'll
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give a bit of my back history before I actually
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answer the question in full. I was brought up a
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very good Catholic boy. My parents were both about Catholics,
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church every Sunday, Catholic junior school, and at about the
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age of nine or ten, I began to sort of
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question things which a lot of particularly boys in those
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days did, because it was the Gemini and Apollo space programs.
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And my mother came upstairs one night, I'd already gone
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to bed in inverted Commas. She came into my room,
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whipped the idy down off me. And I don't think
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she's more horrified that I was reading a copy of
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every von Danikin's Charits the Gods, or if it wasn't
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a copy of Penthouse, are you say, then I have
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to be polite. So that's where the interest came from.
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And as I say, it was nineteen seventy six by
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the time I finally got down to Warminster. I don't
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know if either of you were old enough to remember
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the summer of nineteen seventy six.
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It was one of a large It was.
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Nice and warm. It was over frying eggs on the pavement.
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It was very warm. It's the only time I have
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gone up to Cradle Hill outside of Warminster to stay
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up till two o'clock in the morning, and I've only
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had to wear a t shirt and a light pair
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of trousers. It was that hot. Now. It was July
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nineteen seventy six and I first went down and on
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the first Saturday night, the first day we got there. Obviously,
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expectation was at an absolute premium. So my friend and
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I walked up in the company of a young lad
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from Warminster to Cradle Hill totally not knowing what we
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were going to see, you know, what the area was like,
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what we were going to expect to see or anything
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like that. And do any of you remember UFO detectors? No,
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I don't, Right, quick history lesson here again. It's amazing,
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you know, this is now. This at the time was
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fantastic technology. I mean it's so now primitive it's almost
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like looking at a stone wheel. They were battery powered devices.
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Do you know the toys that you can get or
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not the toys, but the things you used to have
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in science labs where you had a hoop of metal
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that you used to run over like a wiggly course. Yes,
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and if it made a connection, it beaped.
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Yes.
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Right, that's basically UFO detector. That's the principle. Because the
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idea was these detectors. People believe that UFOs were being
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or were tapping into the urth's magnetic field and there
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was a compass point which was basically between two electrodes.
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If the magnetic field variated, the compass needle would move,
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would hit one of the electrodes, and the buzzer would sound.
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There were two of these items up on the hill
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that night, on that very first night. It was a
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beautifully warm night. There was hardly any wind. These two
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devices were sent away from each other and they were
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both sheltered from the wind. One was actually under a
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car if I remember correctly, and both went off simultaneously
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and we looked up started to scan the skies and
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there were two starlight objects transversed in the sky and
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moderately fast speed turned through ninety degrees, carried on and
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then just winked out. That was my first real warm
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inster Ufo on the first night.
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Wow. Interesting.
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Go on and say what's the most recent report that
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you're aware of? I mean, are they still regularly happening now?
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No, No, they're not. Sadly, I now live up in
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back in my old hometown, my homestockred in the West Midlands,
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and we have up here what is known as the
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Dudley Doto okay, which is a triangular shaped craft which
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flies over the area quite sort of at random and
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quite freely. A lot of people do dismiss it as
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secret military technology. Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist, by
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the way, I am very level headed these days. But
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the one thing that I always retort back is people
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say to me, oh, it must be secret military technology
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from Cosford or from an American air base. Yeah, then
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why fly fly over one of the most densely populated
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areas the United Kingdom.
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Yes, good points, Yeah.
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Yeah, Okay. Tony Martin's in the chat room. He says,
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I recall seeing some old news footage with ufologists with
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their gizmo tools on a SkyWatch. Were they one of
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the first ever UFO groups? And do you know any
482
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of them?
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00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.799
There are? There are more UFO groups than you can
484
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.359
shake a happule of coins at.
485
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Okay.
486
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.200
UFO groups do love their acronyms. One of the earliest
487
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.559
ones was obviously Bufour. There was the British UFO, the
488
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.599
British UFO Society. There was the Flying Source of Society.
489
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:23.799
There was the EURETHEUS society. You know, there is now
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00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:28.279
the Birmingham UFO group. You know, it seems that every
491
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.960
major town seems to have their own particular group. I
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00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:35.839
do try and stay clear as many of these groups
493
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.279
as possible, simply because there is so much politics involved
494
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.160
in this subject these days, I do not want to
495
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:42.759
get involved.
496
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.400
No, I can understand that. So how did you actually
497
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:46.839
get involved in the phenomena?
498
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:47.039
What?
499
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.279
Obviously you were interested in it, but your involvement in it, now,
500
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:53.599
how did it all come about?
501
00:29:54.599 --> 00:30:00.599
Well, my involvement initially started in the early seventies because
502
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.240
there was an imprint in those days called Tandem, and
503
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.160
Tandem Books had the rights to republish all the Neville
504
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.039
Spearman books that had been released in the sixties in
505
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.160
paper in hard back. Tandem would do them in paperback.
506
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.880
So you had people like Brinsley a Poet, Trench, Donald Kehoe,
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00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:28.480
Arthur Shuttlewood, Brad Steiger. All these people's books were being
508
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.799
published into a mass market, and they were coming out
509
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.680
at about one every two weeks. So you can imagine
510
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.160
when my pocket money went in the early seventies. And
511
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.640
one day I was in the local bookshop and I
512
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.359
saw this book, The Warminster Mystery, and I thought, oh,
513
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.319
here we go, another UF obook. I picked it up
514
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.240
and I looked at the front and the biler was dramatic.
515
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.880
Uf ee witnessed sightings in England. Now, up until then,
516
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.720
I had believed that ninety percent of UFO sightings in
517
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.319
the UFO and was American based. Suddenly here was something
518
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:04.119
in the UK. And I read that book in one sitting, okay,
519
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.880
And from that day on I said, I'm going down
520
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.079
to that town, which I did do initially, then again
521
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:17.519
in nineteen seventy six. So my interest carried on probably
522
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.519
well into the nineteen eighties. And then you get a
523
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:26.559
bit older, you get a bit wiser. Yes, you're getting married, yes, yes,
524
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:31.240
settled down. And then, without going into too much detail,
525
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.480
my poor late wife finally decided to leave this earthly
526
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:39.799
coil in two thousand and three, and I thought to myself,
527
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:45.680
then she had cancer, and I thought to myself, what
528
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.319
the hell am I going to do at night? You know,
529
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.880
I spent the last four years looking after her. Yeah,
530
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.359
And all of a sudden, I've got this void ahead
531
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:59.319
of me. And unbeknownst to me, Helen, my late wife,
532
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:06.759
had not thrown out this aged manuscript of my story
533
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.119
that I started way back in the nineteen eighties. And
534
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.640
I found this in the bottom of a packing cratele whatever,
535
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.880
And I remember to this day, sort of sitting down
536
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:20.000
starting to reading and thinking, my god, I could do
537
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.839
better than that. Now, you know, it's a bit like
538
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:26.960
reading Janet and John go to the planet Mars. So
539
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.720
I set to work, and again, with the marvels of
540
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.279
the modern age and the Internet, I started to do
541
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.519
more and more research, and I kept coming across this
542
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.519
name by the state, but this name by the name
543
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.720
of Steve Dewey. Now I thought to myself, I know,
544
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.200
do I know this guy because he knows his stuff
545
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.000
about Warminster. And suddenly I had one of those light
546
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.240
bulb moments when I suddenly thought, hang on a minute,
547
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.000
that's the Steve Duwell and I met in nineteen seventy six.
548
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.480
So I got in contact with him, and we obviously
549
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.440
had a number of pleasant chatty email exchanges, and he
550
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.960
said to me, he said, look, he said, tell you what,
551
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.400
I'm actually a technical author by trade. Send me your
552
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.359
book and I'll have a look at it and I'll
553
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:11.720
see if I can add to it or if I
554
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.039
can improve it. Well, all I say is, that's one
555
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.839
of the best decisions I've ever made in my life.
556
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.400
So much so that Steve took the ball by the
557
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.119
horns he took the manuscript, pulled it up by its socks,
558
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:29.519
and gave it a damn good thrashing, and the books
559
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.319
suddenly finally saw the light of day, I think in
560
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.319
two thousand and seven.
561
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:36.640
Wow, so it was obviously meant to be then.
562
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.000
Oh, I do believe it was, yes.
563
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:45.000
Yeah, So my next question for you is basically about
564
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:51.599
the sightings that were seen after that. You've briefly mentioned them.
565
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:57.960
There was the cigarette shape object and the two hot
566
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.799
pokers that people have seen. So what was that all about.
567
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.480
Well, again, you're talking something fifty years ago. It was
568
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.840
reported in those days as best it could. The chances
569
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.159
are that I would say ninety five percent of the
570
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.000
people that were around in the sixties are now no
571
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.400
longer WHI us. So we can't actually now go back
572
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:23.360
and into view unless we've got a Tardis you're asking
573
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.719
about sightings and whatever, I'll tell you another one that
574
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.039
I had, And this one to this day still does
575
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.000
spook me, to be perfectly honest with you. It was
576
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:35.800
in April of nineteen seventy seven. Another friend and I
577
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.360
were walking down from Cradle Hill Cops towards what we
578
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.159
called the White Gate area, and in front of us
579
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:47.239
was Battlesbury Hill and over to the right was the
580
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.000
Westfield's golf Club, and we just happened to glance across
581
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.840
towards the golf club and there were these four red
582
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:56.920
lights coming over the sky equally doesn't space, the part
583
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.519
just pulsing, and by the time we got down to
584
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.360
the white Gate area, they were in a line stationary
585
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.800
above Battlesbury Hill and they just stayed there flashing for
586
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.079
about a minute and then the extreme left hand object
587
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.559
shot off horizontally to the left at speed, performed a
588
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:21.320
floorless ninety degree turn without stopping, and then shot straight
589
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.840
into the sky. And about thirty seconds a minute later,
590
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.719
the other remaining three objects then just shot straight up
591
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:34.239
into the sky itself. Now this it was dark, it
592
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:38.880
was moonless, it was moderately cold, there was no wind,
593
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.079
and we could hear the sound of the trains going
594
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.039
through a Warminster station about a mile away. Now, whatever
595
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.039
these babies were, they were totally silent. They did not
596
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:55.400
make a sound. Okay, there's a lot of clicking going
597
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:55.760
on there.
598
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.400
No sorry, I'm just typing. Go on, So it didn't
599
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.320
make a sound. No, So how did you feel? What
600
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.400
was your feelings towards this that's it.
601
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.880
We you know, we've we've seen we've seen another jet. Well,
602
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.679
I said, that's my second genuine warmingster, UFO. Wow, So
603
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.960
they tied. They ticked all the boxes. That is the
604
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.440
is the problem. You know, as a seasoned skywatcher, you
605
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.000
do have this mental tick list in your head. Yeah,
606
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.719
once you've ticked all those boxes, there is only one
607
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.360
conclusion left, UFO.
608
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:37.639
Andy, Yes, what would you say in your estimation? Is
609
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.679
the origin of these things? Are we talking from other
610
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.360
planets straightforward into dimensional those kind of ideas that are
611
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.199
put forward by obviously different people about what they think.
612
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.960
Now I'm saying to you that I think obviously you
613
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.840
talk about genuine phenomena, but where would you originate it.
614
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.280
If you'd have asked me that thirty that question thirty
615
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.880
years ago, I would have been a strong advocate of
616
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:07.000
the extraterrestrial hypothesis. These days, I tend, like I said before,
617
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.159
I sit on the fence because you do have to
618
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:14.280
be objective. However, on saying that there is a core
619
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.760
number of sightings, and I'm not just talking about warm
620
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.599
Instaum talking throughout the world, there is a core small
621
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:25.079
percentage of sightings which to this day define any form
622
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.599
of rational explanation, and they are the ones that need
623
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.519
to be investigated.
624
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.800
Yes, certainly agree there. I'm from a friend of mine's
625
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.159
written a couple of books talking about the Eyea, these
626
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.639
things are their energies if you like, they're living with
627
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.280
us on the Earth together. They're not from outer space.
628
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.480
These UFOs are real phenomenon. They're not sort of nuts
629
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.679
and bolt spacecraft from alien planets. They are actually energies
630
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.360
if you like living creatures themselves.
631
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.840
Well, the thing exactly, I think you've hit the nail
632
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.480
on the head there to a degree, because, like I say,
633
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:03.519
you have this mental checklist and at the end you've
634
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.079
got UFO in big capital letters. But the problem is
635
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.920
that for the majority of the population, you say UFO,
636
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:17.960
UFO equals flying saucer. Flying saucer equals not some bolt spacecraft,
637
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.320
not some bolt spracecraft equals little green or gray men.
638
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.079
And that is the problem again that we have to
639
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:24.599
get over.
640
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.280
Absolutely. I agree with you're inside that that's kind of
641
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.760
the thrushold I was saying. I think you've heard of
642
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.199
Andrew Collins is a friend of mine who is a
643
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:38.599
writer the book called light quest. I think it's suggest
644
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.920
have a good read of that on the Tae's chapter
645
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.880
in there it is do you know what I have
646
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:48.000
to confess, I only read some of it is terrible,
647
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:49.559
so I make this booka rid all of it. But
648
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.320
I'm trying to get another copy. I had it a
649
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.199
while back, and long story link to somebody in the
650
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:56.519
Lost Concert with them a bit back. But yes, so
651
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.239
to me, more and more I'm thinking about this is.
652
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.079
While you might say the more wackier explanation because we're
653
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.519
so used to the nuts and bolts space other planet
654
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.760
explanation that the idea of it being something maybe living
655
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.440
with us, it seems more crazy, but I personally think
656
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.119
more and more that this is more likely to be
657
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.199
the case. That we're not talking about the simple alien
658
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.440
spaceships from other planets coming down again meat and introducing themselves.
659
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.280
You're talking about energy presences. If you're like that are
660
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:30.000
living with us, They're actually part of our reality. Although alternatives, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
661
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.559
Now, I mean, you know there are reports now that
662
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:38.360
some respected scientists are now saying that, yes, the possibility
663
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:43.199
of other dimensions does exist. You know, a window area
664
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:48.800
such as Warminster could well be a literally a gateway
665
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:54.800
to and from dimensions we don't know, absolutely a real possibility.
666
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.519
Yeah, Steve, I was.
667
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.920
What you think that? Why do we always think UFO
668
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.039
equal spacecraft?
669
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:07.360
That's exactly what we're talking about.
670
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.039
It's because it's the way that we've been conditioned over
671
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the years.
672
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:16.119
It just seems weird to me that people automatically go
673
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:22.239
aliens and it could be any bloody thing. Yeah, I mean,
674
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.719
it literally means that we don't know what it is.
675
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.960
But you'll always get a hardcore that will instantly say
676
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:30.480
it's aliens.
677
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.840
Well, I mean, even as a season skywatcher on New
678
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:38.880
Year's Eve, New Year's night, you know, I look out
679
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.480
the window before I go to bed. There may be
680
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.239
Chinese lantern's going over, and just for a couple of seconds.
681
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.239
You think, yeah, yeah, definitely.
682
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.480
It's a cultural thing. Yeah.
683
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.079
Do you think it could happen again, because you know,
684
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.039
I know it was quite a lot of stuff that
685
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:03.480
happened prior to the Christmas of sixty four with the
686
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:07.280
renders that happened round about the same time. Could there
687
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.960
be a connection. Could these things happen round about the
688
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:10.800
same time again?
689
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.239
I don't know, is the honest answer. To that one.
690
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.159
As I often say, if I had an answer to
691
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.719
a question like that, I wouldn't be driving around in
692
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.639
a battered Ford fiesta. I've been a Rolls Royce, too true.
693
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.000
Just call me Nick Pope.
694
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:33.400
Oh sorry, So what research are you doing now regarding
695
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:34.519
with Warminster.
696
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.400
I'm taking a little bit of a back seat to
697
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a degree these days, because Steve and I have co
698
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.639
authored now two books on Warminster. There is obviously my
699
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:51.199
own book UFO war Mister Cradle of Contact. We've also done,
700
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:55.079
shall we say, almost like a ladybird book of Warminster.
701
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.159
It's scored fifty years of a mystery which goes into
702
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.000
the sort of warmister phenomenon over the last fifty years,
703
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.000
and a very sort of snappy, short but hopefully readable style.
704
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.760
I'm still researching it. I'm still interested in it, there's
705
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.280
no two ways about it. Last year I actually organized
706
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with the Warminster fifty years of the Thing event in Warminster,
707
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.480
and this year we're doing another one called and this
708
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.679
is a very clever play on words, I must admit,
709
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.559
I'm quite proud of this Warminster area fifty one.
710
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.719
Ah.
711
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.920
So you can read into that one what you like.
712
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.079
But I know exactly where I'm going on with that one.
713
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.599
I mean so much so that we're actually widening the
714
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:48.760
envelope now of speakers. I mean last year, for example,
715
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.719
we had somebody drop out at very short notice. Sadly
716
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.239
one of our attendees was also a speaker, and I
717
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.239
literally on the Friday night rang them out and said,
718
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.239
you know, fancy doing now? Was a spot tomorrow, do
719
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.000
you which they very kindly did a very short notice.
720
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.679
So we're having him back. Matt Lyons, we're having him
721
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back this year. We've got John Hanson who was with
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us last year. He's the author, along with Dawn Holloway,
723
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of the Haunted Sky series of books, the show Lovely Bloke.
724
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We've got Maria Weekley who yep, and I think it's
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Matt Williams. I think, but that that was only confirmed
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00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.480
the other day. We've definitely got four speakers so far.
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We're looking at a fifth at the moment, but I
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think after this year we may give it a rest
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for a year and then maybe even widen the envelope
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even further after that.
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Because I believe you you've been down to John Down's
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Weird Weekend in the past.
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Yes, I did, Oh Lord, that's going back a few
734
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.360
years now, must be going back about six six seven
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years now? I reckon six years or so?
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Reckon?
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Yeah, yeah, Well he's still going, isn't he with them? So?
738
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Oh he's still plugging away, bless him.
739
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I don't know, Steve.
740
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The other question, Yeah, is there apart from the shall
741
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we say, plethor of information in your books and that,
742
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.800
is there somewhere anybody can go to find actual document
743
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of the time to read themselves.
744
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Oh no, it's funny you ask that question. It really is.
745
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:31.320
Oh dear, oh, dear, odear. There there is my own website,
746
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.960
which is a UFO warmingster co dot uk. And on
747
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:43.119
there you will find scans of books, book covers, journals,
748
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:48.480
there's a timeline, various clippings and whatever. It's it's incomplete
749
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.199
because we can only work on it when we've got
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00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:53.920
the time to do it, sadly, but you know, there's
751
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.960
there's enough in there to at least hopefully pique people's
752
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.880
interests and make them think, well, hang on a minute,
753
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.159
they might have been something strange happening down there. After all.
754
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:08.800
It's good when people can, especially people of a more
755
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.599
scientific edge. So should we say, can actually see the
756
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original documents.
757
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You know what I mean?
758
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.960
Oh yeah, I mean there is a museum in Warmingster
759
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called the Dewey Museum no relation and the late Ken Rogers,
760
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:29.119
who was a UFO buff. He was involved in the
761
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.320
Warman's the phenomenon for quite a while. When he died
762
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.519
he donated all of his books and press clippings to it.
763
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And if you make an appointment, they're normally quite happy
764
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for you to sit at a desk and peruse through
765
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.639
some two or three scrapbooks of a lot of Warmanster
766
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.039
related UFO sightings.
767
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.039
Yeah, because no offense to all the people that have
768
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.199
written books, but they do tend to put their own
769
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edge on it and sometimes embellish slightly.
770
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They do. And the other problem is as well, is
771
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that I found is that other people then rehash old cases,
772
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other people's cases and put their own spin on them
773
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.960
as well, which makes them seem a little more racy
774
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and pac than they really are.
775
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.880
How would you like war Minster to be remembered? Would
776
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you like it to be up there with Rendellsham and
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everything else.
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I like it to be admittedly, again just a useless
779
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piece of information for you. I don't know if you
780
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.079
remember when the film Independence Day came out, the Warmest
781
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Council were presented by I think it was twentieth century
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Fox with a plaque and certificate marking Warminster as the
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UFO Capital of Great Britain. Really, I mean, going back
784
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to the fiftieth anniversary last year, I mean I was
785
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.519
we call it the Duck Syndrome. It's all nice and
786
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.360
quiet on the surface, but underneath were paddling like hell.
787
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And it must have been with the event was on
788
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the Saturday, and it must have been on the Friday morning.
789
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When we were driving down. We started getting phone calls this,
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that and the other, and I mean because I was driving,
791
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I couldn't take them. And we were setting up on
792
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the Friday afternoon and I got a phone call from
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a mobile phone. It was BBC Radio four and they said, oh,
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we understand that you're doing an event to mark fifty
795
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years the warm'ster funem and explain the situation. Can you
796
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.800
come into the studio tomorrow morning and do an interview
797
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with us? And I said, well, it's a bit of walkward.
798
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What time? I said, ten to nine? I said, well,
799
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hang on a minute on stage at quarterpass nine. I
800
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can't get to London and back in that speed. But
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bless the BBC, they must have thought something of it.
802
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They actually sent out a mobile broadcast van and there
803
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I was in the waitress car park in Warminster at
804
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ten to nine on Saturday morning doing an interview with
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I think it was Martha Carney and Dr David Clark
806
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definitely then they were. I got back to the venue
807
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and sort of took the stage and I always remember
808
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.400
saying this. I did basically say to people, look, I'm
809
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very sorry, I am totally warm and stod out. I said,
810
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:15.519
I have just literally come hotfoot from Patros from doing
811
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.920
an interview with Radio four with my arch adversary, Dr
812
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David Clark. Well, the amount of booze that I got
813
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.000
was quite wonderful, but I did but I did did
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around and said, well, don't worry, we've gentlemanly decided to
815
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.000
call it a DRAWD.
816
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:35.079
One question I do want to ask you, Kevin, is
817
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:39.280
how has the concept of UFOs changed over the years.
818
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:45.480
Immensely, absolutely immensely. I was at college in the mid
819
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nineteen seventies. If you declared an interest in such a
820
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.960
an arcane subject as UFOs, you were laughed at, told
821
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.440
to go and where the silly hat and sit in
822
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:02.079
the corner for six months. These days, it's totally different.
823
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.000
If people ask me what my hobbies are, I explain
824
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.679
and I don't get laughed at. If anything, people engage
825
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:16.760
me in conversation, which is fantastic. And I call this
826
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:22.880
the post X file syndrome. Oh yes, simply because people
827
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.199
are now more willing to believe.
828
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.000
Yeah, absolutely, I think very much. It's to do with
829
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our breaking out of a certain mold of ideas about UFOs.
830
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.599
I think one of the things that we could probably
831
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.159
say we've experienced in time has been the UFOs have
832
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.039
been in a very particular bracket, as we were saying before,
833
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.519
a green men from spaceships that are coming to invade
834
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.079
and take over the world. That's I think with the
835
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:51.000
reflection of the times the sixties and seventies, with the
836
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.280
Cold War and the threat of sort of nuclear war
837
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.000
and the sort of enemy Soviet Russia, etca. And the
838
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.840
fact that that's kind of changed now think a little bit. Well,
839
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.159
we are open to different interpretations of what these UFOs
840
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.239
might be. So absolutely, one quick like to ask just
841
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.880
your personal opinion. I've asked a few UFO researchers in
842
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:11.880
the past. What do you think of the ancient aliens
843
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.639
idea that we have been somewhat altered or improved or
844
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.920
enhanced by ancient visitors from millennia ago, thousands and tens
845
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.320
hundreds of thousands of years ago.
846
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.079
I'm not against it, that's the first thing. And the
847
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:31.440
other thing I'll say is read the Bible. There's a
848
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.280
lot of stuff in the Bible. I mean, for example,
849
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.760
Jesus died was reborn three days later. Who used to
850
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.400
say he wasn't teleported out of his two We don't. Yeah,
851
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.840
we just don't know. So, No, there is there is
852
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:53.960
a certain amount of precedence involved in the ancient alien theory.
853
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.760
But as for them tinkering with DNA or US being
854
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.920
seeded here on Earth, I don't think so. I think
855
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.840
we are just basically a random roll of the dice.
856
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.440
And again going back to what I was saying earlier
857
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.360
on about the idea of alternative dimensions, the number of
858
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.400
exo planets that are being discovered almost on a weekly
859
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.639
basis now proves that there is something out there. And
860
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.280
insomuch that with me being a good little Catholic boy,
861
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.920
I'm not a Catholic now, but I occasionally do just
862
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:30.320
keep my eyes nears open. It's reported that the Vatican
863
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.760
has the second biggest zenobiological research facility outside of NASA. Now,
864
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.760
why is that?
865
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.840
That's interesting to say the least, certainly.
866
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.760
And being a good little Catholic boy when I was
867
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.719
at school, I was always taught to believe that man
868
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.719
was God's only creation. And now the Catholic Church have
869
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.599
very quietly done a u turn and said that when
870
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.679
intelligent life is found in the universe, it's all part
871
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:01.400
of g of God's great plan.
872
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.079
Yeah, we actually cover that as a news item a
873
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:08.079
while back. There's a fundamental shift. But then, of course,
874
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.280
how many fundamental shifts of the Church had to make
875
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:13.199
over the last two thousand years in terms of new
876
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.960
discoveries and science and understanding of us not us not
877
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.039
being in the center of the universe. The sun doesn't
878
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:20.840
go around us, it's the other way around. They had
879
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.199
to accept these changes. But again that's a pretty fundamental one.
880
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:25.599
And one of the reason why I asked, of course,
881
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.760
is if you started off reading the von Dannagin book,
882
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.360
and he was guessed about some time back, and here
883
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:33.199
he said something to me that I was quite taken
884
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.280
aback one. I asked him again the same kind of question,
885
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.199
not like to answer the question he came up. Well,
886
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.920
actually I did ask him as a question, what do
887
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.159
you think about aid an abduction? Do you think that's
888
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.280
a reality. Do you think that actually occurs?
889
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:50.480
Something occurs? Definitely, there are far too many experiences out
890
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:57.679
there for it not to happen. And I would say
891
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.920
that with the in the induction cases, I would say
892
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.280
at least eighty percent of those that have been adopted
893
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.440
are keeping quiet about it.
894
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.639
I could experience, I could actually understand that. I mean,
895
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.679
I've done a lot of research into what's called the
896
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.960
Old Hag syndrome, the sleep press in hypogotic dream and
897
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.480
they can generate that sense of unworldliness and strange visitors
898
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.239
in your bedroom at night. I mean, I'm not seeing
899
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:26.360
everything say, I'm not saying every single experience can be
900
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:31.440
explained that way that way, But yes, Van Dannaguan had
901
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.280
said himself he wasn't particularly believer of such a phenomena.
902
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.119
I think his general thinking was those aliens visit us
903
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.760
millennia ago and never come back. But I forget the
904
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:42.360
name of the chap he spoke to me. It was
905
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.679
someone who's a scientist who'd done a research in this era,
906
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.920
and he was now convinced or certainly willing to accept
907
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.599
the possibility that these kind of vailing visitations and abductions
908
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.199
are still happening, that they are quite genuinely occurring. So
909
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:58.440
it's one of Christmas. I've now outslided asking anyone to
910
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.519
get the phos who went to talk. You know, do
911
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.519
you think of ancient aliens? Do you think there's abduction?
912
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.239
Just to get a few of what other views are
913
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.199
but yeah, well thank you for answering that anyway.
914
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.960
Well, I mean, and again in my defense, I will
915
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.360
say is that with the amount of planets that are
916
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.760
being found, and with the timescale we're looking at, I
917
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.800
think we'd have to be a very arrogant species to
918
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.960
deny the fact that this planet has been visited.
919
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.280
M I think there is evidence that suggests something that's
920
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:31.320
occurred at some time and at some level of involvement,
921
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.119
whether it's just visiting and saying hello and going off
922
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.880
again or actually causing changes to the DNA structure section,
923
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.559
and there's a whole vast gamut of scale. There are
924
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.320
possible effect. Just one thing I wanted to quickly mention
925
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:44.760
as well that was mentioned at this conference I was
926
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:47.679
at yesterday that kind of ties in what we're talking
927
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.920
about here, and I've just gone completely blank.
928
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.039
While you're thinking about it. Let me just start on
929
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:05.239
the subject of abductions. You hear about these abductions obviously
930
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:10.360
and probing and stuff like that. Do you think that
931
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.239
does actually go on or you know? And secondly, do
932
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.599
you think the government know that we're being visited?
933
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:19.079
Oh?
934
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.079
Because the way I look at it, yeah, they can
935
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:29.119
track a foreign aircraft coming into our airspace at a
936
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.920
drop of a hat and intercept But why can't Why
937
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:38.119
are they not intercepting or tracking the fact that an
938
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:41.039
alien spacecraft has come into our airspace?
939
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:47.880
Well, now we're almost getting into the black ops scenario. Really,
940
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:51.559
all the black budgets and the road, very dangerous road.
941
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.360
I mean, you know, there are people that believe that
942
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.519
our space program is really about thirty years a more
943
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.920
advanced than it really is, right simply because that they
944
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:07.639
there is some kind of ongoing conflict. I I believe
945
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.760
personally that the governments of this world no more than
946
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.519
they're letting on not a great deal, probably but I
947
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.639
think that they know more. Yeah, and you know, you you,
948
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.679
I mean I I follow a number of people on Facebook,
949
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.039
you know, and they're all going disclosure. It's going to
950
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.639
happen this year. And that was last year, disposed, It's
951
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.239
going to happen this year. Edgar Mitchell says that we
952
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:32.079
are not alone, you know, And Okay edgar Mitchell is
953
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.920
no longer here to defend himself, sadly, but I do
954
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.760
seriously believe that possibly that the governments of the world
955
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:41.920
no more than they're letting on for the sake of
956
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:43.199
the public, because they are.
957
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.440
Trickle feeding this, aren't they When they was opening up
958
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.800
the UFO files and what had happened and you know what,
959
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.519
what alien aircraft had been recorded?
960
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.960
Yeah? Well, of course the problem with the the particularly
961
00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:00.679
the British files at Q if you've seen in any of.
962
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:02.880
Them, Yeah, there's not much on there.
963
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:07.039
Exactly every name, every date, every location is blanked out.
964
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.039
And that is about as much use as chocolate fireguard
965
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:09.679
to researcher.
966
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:10.800
Yeah, definitely.
967
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:14.559
So yeah, it's like the files were recently released about
968
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.880
the Jfcare assassination. There were reference documents to the names
969
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.599
of files, but you have no way of access in
970
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.519
the files themselves, or what the content was, any idea
971
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:24.960
of it other than just the name. It was builder's
972
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.159
been some great release of information and the bugger all there.
973
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.639
There was nothing of any substantial use of value whatsoever.
974
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.199
I just remembered the thing I was going to mention,
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00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:34.800
which I think you might finction this as well. Kevin
976
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.039
was one of the chaps who was speaking of the commons,
977
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.719
was that yesterday is a PhD graduate in physics. And
978
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.400
at least we remember. A couple of years back there
979
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.800
were were the cern experiments that aud the big ring
980
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.199
that they fired particles to I think it was Venice
981
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:53.199
and back, and they arrived faster than the speed of light.
982
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:54.679
They did this.
983
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:59.159
Experiment, which is technically impossible. Yep, this is impossible.
984
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.280
They did the experiment over and over again and it
985
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:04.159
kept happening. And then they changed the criteria for the
986
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:05.920
experiment to say that we've made an aer in our
987
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.599
calculations and it was actually a mistake. And he said,
988
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.360
I can promise you absolutely now that was a deliberate
989
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:15.960
change of the scaling to make it impossible. But it happened.
990
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.599
They cannot explain it. Don't like it because it buggers
991
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.599
up a lot of them relativity theory. But it happened
992
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.599
these things were moving fast on the speed of light.
993
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.400
He said, we don't have a problem with things that
994
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.000
go fast and the speed of light, but they can't
995
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.440
slow down to below the speed of light. Equally, he said,
996
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.639
things below the speed of light can't speed up to beyond.
997
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:33.840
So it's like an invisible barrier between the two. These
998
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:37.199
particles clearly showed that barrier does not exist, and that
999
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:38.920
was a big problem, and it was really fascinating for
1000
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.280
to say, say, the guy's not you know, Avery Ferry Sort.
1001
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:43.320
He's got a pH d graduate in physics, so he's
1002
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:44.719
got an idea what we're talking about. And it was
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00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.039
just I thought, thank you. I've been saying that for
1004
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.639
ages that when they announced about six months later there
1005
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.280
was an error of calculations, so I thought, but you
1006
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.400
did the experiment repeatedly, kept getting the same results. Now
1007
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.159
you're trying to tell us it was an error calculation
1008
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.559
and something doesn't add up to it, and it doesn't.
1009
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:03.920
They are protecting their int their master's interests. Again, I
1010
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:07.760
am not a great conspiracy theorist by any means, but
1011
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.920
you know, who actually does control us? Is it governments
1012
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:12.400
or is it business?
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00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.119
The right I would go down the conspiracy stuff there
1014
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.960
is about finance. You know, a scientist person I spoke
1015
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:21.800
a long term ago, actually said the same thing that
1016
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:26.079
basically science these days is not about experimentation and frontiers,
1017
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.639
it's about finding funding. You do things that get funded.
1018
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.480
You don't such stuff that's got no money behind it.
1019
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:32.960
You're an interesting in things that will generate funding, and
1020
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.360
businesses want things they can turn into cash and have value.
1021
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.519
The idea of you know, as fast than the speed
1022
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:39.519
of light travel would be fantastic, but it's so far
1023
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.320
away that the fact that you can work, you know,
1024
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.360
that's great, but he doesn't give us anything financial use
1025
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.559
to it. It's a bit like a conversation we had
1026
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.199
a couple of weeks back about the idea of the
1027
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:53.199
gravitational waves. You know, what practical applications do they have? Well,
1028
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.119
actually there's a lot, but at the moment it just
1029
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.400
seems like random stuff that doesn't really matter to us.
1030
00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.559
But it should matters, you.
1031
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.159
Know, I mean, you do have a valid point because
1032
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:03.559
and then the other thing you've got to remember is
1033
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.320
that what we're doing tonight talking via Skype. Fifteen years ago,
1034
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:12.679
this wouldn't have happened. You know, technology is moving forward,
1035
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.840
so you know, God knows what the next fifty years
1036
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:18.519
has got in store for us. I dread to think, well,
1037
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:18.920
as long.
1038
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.440
As someone can make money out of it, the research
1039
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:24.840
will go. Hey, that's the problem. Yeah, that is the
1040
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:27.199
unfortunate thing. I mean, I'm not a great conspiracy theorist.
1041
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.519
I'm just in GfK as I said, but I've always
1042
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.199
been thinking that governments are short term. It's they don't
1043
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:34.039
really think about the future much of and than what'sing
1044
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:35.800
they get elected in public companies have a lot of
1045
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:39.119
power because it's about generating money. And that's the conspiracy angle.
1046
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:40.719
It's to do with what money can be made from
1047
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:43.559
things rather than real research, etcetera. But you know, I'm
1048
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:44.800
getting my high horse again about this.
1049
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:47.800
Where does the money then go?
1050
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:52.880
Exactly? Bank balances that get huge and huge, that's our
1051
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:54.039
meaningaires become billionaires.
1052
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.079
As I say, one question I do want to ask Kevin,
1053
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.360
and I want you if you want mine, forgire us
1054
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.719
for our ignorance. As I said to you, the Warminster
1055
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.360
thing is not something that's been on our radar. To
1056
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:09.440
be honest with you, is there anything that we've missed
1057
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.280
tonight that we haven't asked you about?
1058
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:16.400
Oh, there's plenty really, to be honest with you, you know,
1059
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:23.119
I mean over trying to condense a fifteen year mystery
1060
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:27.840
with the people involved, sightings, everything else into you know,
1061
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:32.440
an hour's program or whatever is really impossible. Yeah, but
1062
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:36.039
you know, you have covered the bare bones, and there
1063
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.480
will be people of a certain age, hopefully who are
1064
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.039
listening in wherever there may be that may suddenly think, yeah,
1065
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.559
hang on a minute, I remember about Warminster, you know.
1066
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.400
And that's the interesting thing because one of the things
1067
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.159
I've done, which I always intended to do, and which
1068
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.559
as I say, I've now done, is that I have
1069
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.519
reinstigated what we now call the Anniversary SkyWatch in Warminster,
1070
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.360
and it normally takes place over the August Bank Holiday Saturday.
1071
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.599
And the first one, I think in two thousand and
1072
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.000
seven two thousand and eight, might have had about ten
1073
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:13.400
people there. The following year they were at about forty
1074
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.400
or fifty people there, and they were all people that
1075
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.800
had come out of the woodwork in that year, and
1076
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:20.159
they were coming up to me and saying thanks for
1077
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.679
what you've done. Do you know, I thought I was
1078
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:24.800
the only one that remembered Warminster.
1079
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.119
Wow, brilliant. So you've mentioned your book during the interview
1080
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:34.880
and Cradle of Contact. Can you let people know where
1081
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:35.960
they can get it from?
1082
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:40.679
They can get it from Amazon. It's a self published book.
1083
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:42.960
John Downes is actually the publisher for the enough at
1084
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:49.480
CFS Publishing. Yeah, but it's available on Amazon, so is it.
1085
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:54.239
Steve and I's first fiction book, the second of which
1086
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.280
will hopefully be out in March as well, was the sequel.
1087
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:04.519
So yeah, the problem we found is getting a publishing deal.
1088
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.920
It's damn near impossible. And I will tell you why.
1089
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.480
A number of years ago, you may remember a book
1090
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:16.400
by Nick Pope called The Uninvited, and then there was
1091
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.480
a book by Timothy Good. I think it was Unearthly Disclosure.
1092
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.519
They sold shedloads because this was sort of at the
1093
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.519
height of the X Files mania. They were paid massive
1094
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:32.039
amounts of money to write a second book, a sequel
1095
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.639
of which Nick Pope did opened. I think it was
1096
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.920
Open Sky's Closed Mind something like that, and tim Good
1097
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.559
obviously started the treadmill going. But those books bombed and
1098
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.119
the publishers got their fingers burned. That's why you will
1099
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.320
find it very difficult to find a mainstream publisher that
1100
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.199
will take the bit Butler horns and say yes, we'll
1101
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.840
publish a UFO book.
1102
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:54.559
Right.
1103
01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:00.239
Interesting. I wondering with the return of X Files Court
1104
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:01.440
of that might make a difference.
1105
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:10.800
Six episodes, I don't think so personally. If it's to
1106
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.840
become an annual thing of six episodes, then possibly yes.
1107
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.199
But at the moment I think it's just a flash
1108
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.000
in the panther with degree. I mean, I might be wrong,
1109
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.719
and I'd love to be wrong, but you just don't know.
1110
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:26.039
Okay, Well, Kevin, I'll be honest with you, this has
1111
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.239
been one of the best, maybe the best interview we've
1112
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:34.000
ever had on nephology and Sings, And I'll be honest,
1113
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:36.159
it has been brilliant. There's there was none of the
1114
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:43.480
normal no days where people keep saying they do this
1115
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:45.239
and they do that and never tell you they are.
1116
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:51.559
That's That's one of Andy's pet peeves. His mission this
1117
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:53.119
year is to find out who they are.
1118
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:58.639
But but I must admit, you know, with most UFO
1119
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:03.119
A New follow interviews, you get a lot of the
1120
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.400
silliness involved. If you can understand what.
1121
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.480
I'm saying I do indeed.
1122
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.960
Know, and this has been a very eye opening, very
1123
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:14.280
interesting interview, and I thank you for taking the time
1124
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:14.760
coming on.
1125
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.639
It's been an absolute pleasure.
1126
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.880
Okay, well, don't be a stranger and have a good
1127
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:24.679
time in whatever you're doing and whatever the endeavors come
1128
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:25.800
your way in the future.
1129
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.599
I will keep you guys posting, have no fear of that.
1130
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.280
Thank you very much. I'm going to leave you.
1131
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.960
Just check one thing very quickly. There is the Facebook.
1132
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.039
There's a Facebook page on the Warminster UFO. Is that
1133
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:38.320
one that you're involved in?
1134
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:43.960
Oh yeah, well there are actually a number. The one
1135
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:47.199
that I'm actually involved in is UFO Warms or war
1136
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:55.519
Mister UFO. There is another one that's Steve Wills. That's his,
1137
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.920
but the war Mister UFO one is mine, as is
1138
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.679
the war Mister twenty fifteen and soon to be the
1139
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:04.800
Warminster Area fifty one as well.
1140
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.400
Okay, okay, One thing I will ask, if it's possible,
1141
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:14.599
We normally like to have a little bit of a
1142
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.920
write up that goes with our interview in our month
1143
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:23.119
monthly magazine that we do monthly or bi monthly magazine.
1144
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.960
Would you be interested in giving us an a four
1145
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.760
or a couple of a four article editory or something.
1146
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.280
I will indeed just drop me a message on Facebook
1147
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:34.719
to remind me I will do.
1148
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:36.039
Thank you very much, Kevin.
1149
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:38.320
It's been brilliant, it's been fantastic.
1150
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:40.039
Thank you very much, and I hope to speak to
1151
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:40.679
you again soon.
1152
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.000
Thanks a lot, guys, byee Kevin.
1153
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.239
Well, we hope you have enjoyed the shot tonight as
1154
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.719
we have enjoyed your company and look forward to speaking
1155
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.920
to you again. That's basically so all it's left to
1156
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:55.440
say is it's good night from me.
1157
01:06:55.679 --> 01:07:00.360
It's good night from her, good night from the night
1158
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:01.199
and out of space.
1159
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.800
So until next time, all it's left to say is
1160
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:08.360
keep the paranormal friendly. Good night, bless guys.
1161
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:09.599
This is where it's at.
1162
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:14.920
Hellier Harry Price here, good evening. If there's nothing myself
1163
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:18.039
and everybody else enjoy here on the other side, more
1164
01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.119
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1165
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:25.159
Radio with its paranormal news, views and reviews from across
1166
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:29.000
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1167
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:32.480
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01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.079
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1169
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.840
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1170
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.000
Hope you enjoy them as much as we do over here.
1171
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.840
Hello, is anybody there