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My dad just like he just pulled me in for a big embrace and that was just a moment where I felt like so much comfort and so much gratitude for like the amount of like belief and faith he's had in me because I feel like whenever I'm at races, especially with my dad, I always like I always get to hear his voice there.
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I always like look for him in the audience and he always brings me back to the moment and what what's important about like my running.
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He feels like my biggest cheerleader when it comes to that.
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Welcome to Limitless Minds, the podcast where curiosity meets greatness.
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If you're ready to discover what it takes to be truly limitless and push beyond your own limits, you're in the right place.
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Well, this is good.
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We we've started off, obviously.
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This is the Limitless Minds podcast.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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And today we have two special guests who are already arguing.
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So you can already guess they're brothers.
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They're brothers.
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Um, and by their amazing blonde hair, which will probably turn gray in the next five years based on their father, you can already tell that they are the Thomases.
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We have uh Shepard and Holland, but Shepard and Holland, why don't you two just go ahead and introduce yourselves?
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Tell us a little bit about yourselves, um, kind of what you're up to, um, you know, your ages, where you're in school, all that kind of good stuff.
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So we'll start, we'll go older, the older brother first.
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So, so Holland, why don't you why don't you dive in here, bro?
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Sweet.
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Yeah, my name is Um Holland Thomas.
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Um, I am the middle child in the family.
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I'm 21 years old, and I attend Principia College.
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Nice.
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And what sport are you involved in?
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I mean, obviously the the the people kind of can guess, but just tell tell us anyways.
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What what sport do you uh are you doing at Principia College?
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Yeah, I run uh cross country in the fall.
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Then last year I did some indoor track in the winter and then outdoor track in the spring.
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You're doing 1600, 3200, kind of mile two-mile type of thing inside indoors, outdoors?
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Longer distance for me, yeah.
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Gotcha, gotcha.
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And uh in terms of cross-country in the college levels, that's uh is it a 5k?
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Is it a 10k?
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How how how what distances are you running?
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Uh for college level, for the men's, it's um eight eight Ks.
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8K.
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Okay.
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So in between that that three and six miles.
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Got it.
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Yeah, got it.
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Okay, cool.
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And then we have Shepard, who's who's being patient.
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Thank you, Shepard, for being patient because you're a team player, bro.
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I see you.
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Um, what what um tell us a little bit about yourself?
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Yeah, I'm Shepard.
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Um, I've played soccer my whole life, and then I played high school tennis this past year.
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Um, and I'm also going to the same college as Holland, which is Principia.
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And we're out in Michigan right now.
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We have a couple of friends over, we're having a great time.
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Um, a little bit about myself.
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You know, I I get my parents say that like I'm a pretty quiet person and like internal guy, but they always say like when I'm playing video games, I'm always like yelling and shouting.
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Same thing with like sports.
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That's where it like kind of brings out my passion.
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But other than that, I'm pr a pretty internal quiet guy for the most part.
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And let and let the people know what sport you play and what position you play.
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Yeah, I play soccer.
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I'm a center back.
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Um, I'm pretty tall, but I'm very slim.
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So like I don't really look like your stereotypical center back with my size besides the height, but um, I enjoy commanding the back line.
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I've been like a captain on most of my soccer teams, so that might come from my father.
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I'm not sure.
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But we'll we'll investigate that.
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We are gonna investigate that because this well, you guys are great, and thanks for the energy.
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This is not about you, okay?
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So stop making it about you guys.
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It's about your dad, Mr.
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Travis L.
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Thomas, co-host of the Limitless Minds podcast.
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But here's my here's my question to you guys.
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Like, in terms of your father, obviously, um, world renowned, right?
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We could say world renowned because he went to the World Cup.
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Um, did he get you tickets, by the way?
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Did you guys were you guys able to go to the to the Qatar Olympics at all?
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Sorry, not the Olympics or World Cup.
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There is a family package that they sent out for like coaching staffs, like family and stuff, but it my parents were evident uh were going to go all in on it, but it was gonna be like way too much, so we decided not to go because it was gonna be a lot of money.
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So you guys did not did not join them.
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That's all good, all good.
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All right.
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So here's the first question about your dad that I'm kind of curious about.
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Like, what is it like growing up with a mental performance coach slash improv actor in your household?
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How how how is it, you know, like what things have you learned from your dad?
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What's it kind of like on a daily basis with him?
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And either of you can go.
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Uh definitely a lot of comedy, a lot of jokes every day.
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Like he has a great sense of humor, but something I bond with him on like frequently is like sports.
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We both have like a big love for sports, so like he's always like every single day I'm always talking about sports.
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Like he grew up in Flint, so I naturally have inherited like cheering for Detroit sports team.
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So I'm always talking to him about like what the Tigers or what the Lions are doing.
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So a lot of sports with him.
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And then uh whenever we're back at our house, he's always like on a podcast or like always doing like some call.
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So I kind of hear like the same message over and over again.
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But if you put me on the spot, I'll kind of like blank on what exactly that message is, but it's like same repetition.
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Um, so I've definitely heard like all the skills and all the content that he teaches across the years.
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So you're kind of getting it through like osmosis diffusion, like it's just maybe, yeah.
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Maybe I'm like unconsciously like like yeah, taking it in.
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Yeah.
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Holland, how about how about yourself, Holland?
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What what kind of things like hit you about your dad and kind of and growing up with him?
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I think uh definitely what Shepard was talking about earlier with um uh humor and having just a good sense of humor, uh always cracking jokes, maybe sometimes taking taking the joke a little too far beyond uh past its original source.
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But um it's always a bit of a.
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Yeah, yeah, sometimes, yeah.
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Um, but then also for competition, like I think I'm really grateful because like we always got like some sort of new game that's like either happening that or we're playing together as a family.
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Um, and we're like a very competitive family, I'd say, when it comes to like like casual games that we play with each other.
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And a a huge testament to that is just comes from my dad and the amount of like games he like brings up to us and that he gets us engaged in.
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Um and then in terms of like talking, like Shepard was saying earlier, yeah, you definitely hear him throughout the house, like constantly talking and like doing his calls and interviews.
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And so you get to see that side of him, and just like Shepard was saying as well, like you get to hear a lot of the same messages that he's like repeating over and over again, but it's also cool to see how it's like I'd say he's very creative when it comes to like coming up with new ideas and new new stuff to like for like the the players, and like he's really good at coming up with things on the spot, which comes from his improv, and that's something that like I actually took improv classes like because like he introduced me to it, and so like he got me to do he got me into a lot of the creative like things about my character.
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So I think that's a huge like testament to what he's he's done and he's been doing.
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That's awesome.
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So the stuff that he's saying on the screen, maybe with me or like on a podcast or with a client or whatever, how much of that does he kind of bring into the household and kind of you know this instill into you?
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Or you know, maybe there's some of the rules in the house, like you're not allowed to say the word no, right?
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It's always yes and right.
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Is that is that how it works in the household?
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Or like I mean, like what kind of like how does it how does it play?
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Does he does he bring that stuff to you guys?
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Does he coach you the same way he coaches clients and things?
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Yeah, before games, like what he normally does with like keepers or like any, I guess, position in soccer is like give he like asks like what their focus is for the game, and that's what he's kind of been doing with me like the last two years.
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And I'm not gonna lie, when I get that text, like I don't really want to answer it sometimes, and sometimes I don't answer it.
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But and I do tend to forget the focus a little bit throughout the games, but sometimes when I do like remember it, I'm like, okay, this is actually pretty helpful.
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Um, so like he does definitely like wait, you're admitting that your dad's advice is helpful to you, Shepard.
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Is that what you're saying?
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Just want to get this clear on on video.
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Oh, only sometimes, but only sometimes, okay.
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But definitely like it out of all things, they're like like he does like to like coach me like that, um, like before a game, I guess, by just giving me like a few intentions, but not outcomes, kind of that kind of thing.
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Yeah, yeah, good, good stuff.
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How about you, Holland?
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Um, for me, I'd say similar to Shepard, like a lot of the stuff that he preaches, it shows up most in like athletics with sports and running.
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Um, and with that focus word, I think for me, like my dad has been probably my greatest supporter throughout my like running journey.
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And so I've been really like I've been really grateful for the the focus idea of having that word to focus on.
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Um, and it's something I keep on like getting pulled back into.
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Um, and kind of a little bit unlike Shepard, I actually do prefer that text before like races or like any big things I'm doing because it just like recenters my focus and gets me back involved into like the thing I need to focus on.
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And so that's always been something that I've really appreciated from my dad in terms of just like getting like mentally prepared for like things like that.
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And then it's it's more it more so shows up when I'm like doing running and like if I'm doing other games or competitions with him, my mentality isn't always the best.
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But I think that's where it mainly shows up for him, like his kind of philosophy and stuff, and the idea of like running um at the storm, like I've done a lot of things that have gotten myself like outside my comfort zone.
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And that I'd say that's thanks to like a lot of the things he he teaches on that front.
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Yeah, it's awesome.
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So you're you've kind of noticed for yourself that hey, there in the past maybe I wouldn't have this is something I'm not comfortable doing, but because of my dad, like I don't care if it's uncomfortable.
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I'm gonna run at it and I'm gonna go and try and figure it out.
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Yeah.
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Would you would you agree with that, Shepard?
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You feel that way too?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's awesome.
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That's awesome.
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Um, what are what are the sports that you guys are, what are the games you guys are playing this summer?
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I know your dad has has you know vehemently clear declared that he is one of the best pickleball players in the world, uh, certainly in the upper Michigan area and the in the UP.
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So um what you know, what sport, what games are you playing this summer?
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We we have a backyard game called bucket golf, and there's like nine like little like buckets.
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Um and you just kind of it's a wiffle ball and then like a big like iron that has like a ginormous club face.
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But the thing about my dad is like he does like to like get in your head a lot, like especially mine.
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Like I I try to get in his head, but like I will give him credit.
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It's like really hard to get in his head, like he kind of rises to the occasion in clutch moments, but I'm kind of the opposite.
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Like during like bucket golf, during my practice swing or even in my back swing, he'll like just be like getting in my head, and it actually really affects me, so I don't appreciate it.
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Um, and then pickleball, he's definitely getting up there in age, so like singles I I destroy him, but and doubles, he has good he has good hands, so like he can keep up.
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Um, so yeah, but I definitely feel that's what does he do?
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What is he do what's he doing, Shepard, to get into your head?
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Is he like coughing in your backswing?
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Does he think like Tiger Woods, his parents like jiggling change in his pocket as you as you try your back backswing?
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How's he getting into your dome?
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By like sometimes, well, with bucket golf, it's normally like making me laugh.
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Like he does this stupid, like golf announcer, like like commentator voice.
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So he'll be like commentating like very quietly during my backswing, and I like can't focus because he's like saying something stupid in like the quiet, like golf commentating.
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Yeah, I can see your father doing that.
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I can see that happening.
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It's like oh Shepard's coming up for the swing.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Shanks it.
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Yep, not sure where that's quite gonna land on the green.
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Yep, that's gonna send back a couple points.
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It's like that sort of thing.
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Like he just like whispers in your ear, like a now, oh my gosh, yeah.
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That's so funny.
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That's so funny.
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What do you try and do?
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Like, you said you you're you're unable to get into his head.
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What have you tried to do that has not worked?
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I I try everything.
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Like, I I don't know if I can name something that I haven't tried.
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Um, it's just like I'll just be like, oh, he's not clutch, like the moment's too big, but like he just he honestly enjoys it.
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Like he gets in whatever zone, and he honestly it makes him better.
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So I've low-keyed to stop trying with the smack talking.
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Sounds phenomenal.
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Sounds like such a fun game.
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Pickleball does get really heated sometimes, like when we're playing as a family.
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Like, if there's like a close line line call, and I'm like pretty certain it was in, and he's like, nah, it was out.
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Like, we'll like the next few points we'll be going at it with each other.
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Like, oh, was that out?
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Was that out?
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Like substance stuff like that.
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Like, it gets pretty heated.
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I can I can see that.
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I can see that.
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Holland, how about you?
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What what what what uh you know what is that the the bucket golf?
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Is that the big game for you as well?
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For me, yeah, I just I recently got I recently got to Michigan, so I I I'm a little bit newer to the bucket golf, but I can speak on behalf of the pickleball experiences I've had with them.
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Um there there's times, so when I'm on the I'm when I'm on the court, like I know I'm not like not the best like out of the family, so I decided to add my own little element of just being like a little bit uh extra and annoying on the court.
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And so usually I try to do that, like sometimes it works to my advantage, but most of the time it just gets um mostly everyone on the court frustrated.
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And sometimes I feel like that can like work with like getting my dad frustrated, but like honestly, he's pretty good on the court, and like I always blame it on like how just tall he is at the net, he just slams it down.
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So I think he's definitely got an advantage there.
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But I don't think I really I don't think I really try to get into my opponent's head, but I'd say he definitely gets into my head in terms of just like making sure like I kind of make unforced errors a lot of the time.
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And so I'd say it's really easy for me for him to get into my head when it comes to that.
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Um, but I'm not really trying to instigate as much as uh Shepard definitely does.
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So yeah, that's my experience.
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So so here's your dad.
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And I I think we're gonna we're gonna change, we're gonna we're gonna alter the conversation here a little bit because I want to ask you another question, but it's kind of fun, right?
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What it sounds like is your dad's competitive, the family's competitive, and you guys are gonna get a little heated out there.
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You're gonna get how long does it take to kind of like after the game's over and everybody's pissed, and yeah, like everybody's kind of how long does it take to kind of reset and everybody's like all good?
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Probably like once we get home, like so the car drive's a little quiet.
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It's a little quiet, yeah.
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Yeah, I think it depends on the person, honestly.
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Sometimes I'll actually be like very, very pissed in my head, but then everyone else is just like sunshine and rainbows.
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So I feel like it depends on like what happened on the court, or like I don't know.
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I but I feel like yeah, the car rides definitely can be quiet at times.
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But once someone breaks the ice, it's fine.
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Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's great.
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That's great.
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Okay, so uh obviously your dad's uh role uh out there in the world is he's helping support athletes, companies, leaders dealing with sometimes uncertainty, sometimes volatility, sometimes change, sometimes they're just trying to get better and just be a better human being.
00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:27.200
Um, what what is can you guys remember a time for each of you that your dad was like really there for you, that he supported you and helped you through either a challenging situation or just felt like he made you better as a person?
00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.879
Yeah, I have a pretty bad yeah, I have a pretty big one for me.
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Um, and my family like knows this story very well.
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Um, but it was uh during my senior, no, it's during my sophomore year.
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I was doing a cross-country race.
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So it was about 5k, and I was way ahead of my time.
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My body wasn't really used to the pace I was going.
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So towards the end of the race, I collapsed like for the first time.
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Um, like I had spent all my energy.
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And I get up and I start crawling like it's like I'm super tired.
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And I start crawling past the finish line, and I get past the finish line.
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Um, and then I remember my dad was there at the race, he was cheering me on, and I couldn't quite, I couldn't quite hear him in that moment when I was like super dizzy and knocked out.
00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:14.799
But I just I distinctly remember um at the end of that, like that big event, like my dad was the first one to come up to me and support me.
00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:16.799
And I was like laying on the ground, like super dazed.
00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:18.559
I didn't know anything that was happening.
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But I could just feel like that presence from my dad and that support from him.
00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:34.159
And I knew that like even after like collapsing or like I was about to get a really good time, even I like after that, I knew that he would just be super supportive of me and just be super like grateful for me.
00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:43.679
And that just made me feel like so uplifted in that moment because I was just like, I was so put down because like our team, I feel like I cost my team a lot of points there.
00:16:43.919 --> 00:17:00.480
Um, but my dad just like he just pulled me in for a big embrace, and that was just a moment where I felt like so much comfort and so much gratitude for like the amount of like belief and faith he's had in me because I feel like whenever I'm at races, especially with my dad, I always like I always get to hear his voice there.
00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:06.559
I always like look for him in the audience and he always brings me back to the moment and what what's important about like my running.
00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:10.559
And so I'd say he's like he feels like my biggest cheerleader when it comes to that.
00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:36.640
And then so when it came time for my senior year, when I when I did the same race again, and this time I didn't collapse, thankfully, um, we were able to hug again and it just felt like full circle moment because like I just knew he had my back the whole time and he had to be helping me mentally for throughout all the races because these races can be tough, but like he knew he knew what it took, and he just like had so much so much faith in me, so much belief on and it really pushed me to be my best.
00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:44.480
And so I just I I'd say his comfort and grace and like supporting me throughout like all of my all the stuff I do has just been like super impactful.
00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:45.279
That's awesome.
00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:45.920
That's awesome.
00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.599
Good luck following that one up, Shepard.
00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.960
Yeah, I don't really have any like specific stories.
00:17:51.039 --> 00:18:12.240
Um honestly, my memory's not great of like specific moments, but overall I think he's just great at instilling confidence in me like when I need it, or just like any leadership position I've had, like at school, I had one this year, and he's just helped me like brainstorm a few times when I've needed it, and just giving me like good advice on like definitely like leadership things.
00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:21.200
Um, but yeah, definitely instilling confidence and like giving me like good uh feedback and like stuff I could do like to lead a group of people.
00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.039
Yeah, so yeah, he leans in.
00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.519
That's you know, his role is he's a leadership guy.
00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:26.559
That makes total sense.
00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.119
Um, in terms of, you know, we you talked about it earlier, don't put me on the spot, you said shepherd, but uh but I'm gonna do that anyways for both of you.
00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.559
I'll I'll let Holland go first.
00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:40.640
But in terms of the stuff your dad teaches, what are some things that you've noticed that he kind of brings into the household?
00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:51.039
Maybe not overtly, maybe like not like, hey, we're gonna talk about this concept today, but that he just kind of like maybe embodies or lives or kind of shows you how to do.
00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:58.960
I would say definitely um like the present moment, I'd say is something that's really like reflects him and buys him.
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And like also being able to move on from a mistake and just being able to be quick on it.
00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.160
Um, because for me, that's something I I struggle with.
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I tend to dwell or just like hold on to something that like that I did wrong or just like dwell on it.
00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:18.960
But I'd say like naturally, I think he kind of just embodies like the like the next moment, like going on to the next moment, like what how can I do this better next time?
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How can I, how can I show up differently?
00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:28.960
And so instead of like instead of like spending time like and having a pity party, I feel like he's always just like, all right, like what's the next thing I can do?
00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:34.400
Like, and he he brings up that philosophy with like with soccer and like players on the pitch, being like, where's the ball?
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Where do I need to be?
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And I feel like that's something that he actually embodies within the house, and just when I've seen him around, just always going on to the next moment and not really dwelling on the past, like mistakes or like failures.
00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:46.000
Awesome.
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Shepard, what do you got?
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Probably just like doing the hard thing and just like dealing with adversity rather than like taking the easy path.
00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:06.319
Um, like naturally, I'm a pretty lazy guy, um, but he definitely holds me accountable, like, especially in the summer, like to go out and run and just kind of be like the best version of myself.
00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:15.039
Like, he definitely pushes me like to get outside of my that's another thing, like getting outside of your comfort zone and not staying in your comfort zone, getting outside of it.
00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.119
Um, just like with anything we do.
00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:22.799
Um can you give me an example of your dad getting outside of his comfort zone within like the family world?
00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:24.160
Him getting outside.
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I honestly a lot of things feel comfortable for him.
00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.599
Like I haven't really seen him like where he's like whole like deer in headlights.
00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.480
Like, I haven't seen him like like that before, to be honest.
00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:39.119
He just seems comfortable, like in any like that's that's what I feel like that's like public speakers.
00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:44.319
Like, if public speaking doesn't get you like shell shocked, then I feel like you can kind of deal with a lot.
00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:50.720
But definitely, well, my mom like kind of covers all the finances and like she does our taxes and stuff.
00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:59.519
So, like when when whenever they're talking about that, he's definitely like he's never in a good mood, and he's just like that.
00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:04.400
So definitely like taxes and stuff, like not that that frazzles him.
00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:05.279
Okay, I get that.
00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:05.920
I get that.
00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:06.799
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:07.839
How about you, Holland?
00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:09.680
What what do you got for that question?
00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.079
For uh wait, can you repeat it again?
00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:22.799
Just so I yeah, I was I was just kind of curious about you know, your dad in in the in terms of like you guys both talked about hey, running running at the storm and getting out of your comfort zone.
00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.359
So I was saying, have you ever seen your dad kind of out of his comfort zone and what does that look like?
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And Shepard just kind of mentioned hey, kind of really doesn't, but there's times where oh my gosh, like when he's you know talking about finances and stuff, you can see him kind of getting frazzled there.
00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:39.599
Yeah, uh, I yeah, I definitely agree with that.
00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:47.279
It's hard, it's hard to see him like really like uncomfortable with with something or like like something that is like coming up.
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And so I feel like I agree with Shepard on that.
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And like if there's ever like certain things that he like visibly like doesn't want to do, he'll just like remove himself from the like the situation, or if it's like whether it's like certain like People or maybe like family friends that we don't really want to talk to.
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:12.480
I'd say he just kind of doesn't like he kind of makes an effort to like get out quickly or just like not really being does an Irish goodbye, just does this nice Irish goodbye just disappears.
00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.960
I'd say yeah, some sometimes.
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:22.079
Like you you never really know, like you can never tell really until like he's just like out of the place and he's like alright in the car, like ready to go somewhere.
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.440
Um, but yeah, that that that sometimes happens, I feel like.
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I love that.
00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:26.640
I love that.
00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.319
Um, okay, so your dad's whole thing, his first book was live yes and.
00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:37.039
And you know, like that's his whole, that's the whole thing, you know, like that's where it all started for your dad.
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:41.039
Obviously, it's not the whole package, there's so much more to your father than just yes and.
00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:44.799
But how does that how does that manifest itself in the household?
00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:47.680
What is what is yes and like for you guys as a family?
00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:54.000
Definitely not like shutting down like any ideas, um, just kind of that yes and mindset.
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:57.039
Um, yeah, that's that's an interesting question.
00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.079
Like we when you guys are choosing where to go to dinner, is everybody like somebody's like, hey, let's get pizza?
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And you're like, yes, and we need some protein time.
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.880
No, like we want burgers.
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:13.359
Meal planning is probably one of the hardest things in our family to to come to or like Thomas.
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:14.160
Excuse me about that.
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:15.440
What does that look like?
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.160
What's what's meal planning look like in the Thomas household?
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Okay, well, me, uh, my mom and dad are all vegetarians, and then Trinity Shepard, they like, yeah, they both eat like regular.
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:32.960
And for me, I'm also like a very I'd say Shepard and I are more more picky eaters um than most people.
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And so it makes it really hard when we're playing to go somewhere.
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And most of the time it's like maybe it's a place that like my mom wants to go or my dad wants to go, or but Shepard and I, like we, I'd say we enjoy fast eating fast food a lot.
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:52.640
And like that sometimes there's like moments like that where they want to eat like a maybe more nicer place, but it's like hard to come to a consensus in the car.
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:57.759
And so I wouldn't say I'd say it's like we're not really we're not really yesing and in that part.
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I'd say it's just more like, oh, and we could do this or and we could or we should do that.
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:09.599
So I wouldn't say in that in that situation doesn't really pop up, but I can I can name examples of when um I'd say yes and uh pops up.
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:17.359
And I feel like that has to do um with things like I'd say like like moments we have in our family.
00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.160
It's just like yes, and how do we respond to this next thing?
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:31.680
Uh a lot of like things will like pop up and like maybe it's like an issue or a challenge, and usually the next thought is like, yes, this is this is what's happening, this is the reality, like we're accepting it, and how do we respond to it?
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:37.440
I feel like it's more of like a response thing that we have come to instead of being like, Oh, I can't believe this happened to us.
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.079
It's like uh, all right, what's the next thing we can do to make this better?
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.759
Um, so I'd say that's an example of where it pops up in our in our house.
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:44.799
Yeah, it's great.
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:56.880
Kind of like what Han was saying, it's like normally like with like challenges rather than like an everyday like kind of thing, like it's accepting what's in front of you and like what can you do to get out of the situation.
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:05.039
So like I think I remember this year my dad was like gonna go to Vegas or something, but like every flight was getting canceled for some reason.
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:11.200
So I think he ended up like driving there himself, and like it was a pretty big talk, so he like needed to get there.
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:16.880
Um, but like rather than like being like, Oh, all the flights are getting canceled, like, oh, I won't make it there.
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:22.559
He kind of like found a way, and like I think he flew to one city and then literally drove like 12 hours to Vegas.
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:23.759
I think it was something like that.
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:30.480
Um he drove to Atlanta from Florida and then he flew from from Atlanta to to uh to Vegas.
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:32.559
Yeah, so like oh yeah, yeah.
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:38.240
So like rather than accepting like the flight cancellations, he went out of his way and drove to Atlanta.
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:38.960
Yeah.
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.480
So yeah, he just found a way.
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.160
That's a that's a great example, Shepard.
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:42.640
I love that.
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.799
Um, okay, let's look, we're gonna uh do a couple more questions and then we'll wrap up.
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:52.079
But like, what is something that you think that maybe people assume about your dad, right?
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.440
Because they just know him in public and they know him on stage.
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.839
Uh that's completely, completely false.
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.039
Something they would assume about your dad that's maybe not true.
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:10.559
Well, I want to like no one's perfect, so I want to really say he's like exactly preaching what like his actions are necessarily what he's preaching all the time.
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:18.720
Cause like a funny story is like when I was like 10 or something, we went out and played golf, and like that's the most miserable like I've ever seen my dad.
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.559
Like, he was horrible to be with.
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:32.160
Like, he well, he's not very good at golf, and like I've just never seen him like that frustrated with himself, and then also like whenever we're watching like sports together, like the Lions, like he gets so fr.
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:38.240
He's like he allows himself to like go away from what he preaches and just be like a miserable sports fan.
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.759
So, like and most Lions fans are, so that's yeah, that's true.
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:43.440
That yeah, we are pretty miserable.
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.160
Um, so like very petty, like so.
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:53.039
Yeah, what while watching his favorite sports teams, he's not exactly he's he's a little bit of a hypocrite, but besides that, he's pretty good.
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:59.599
It's interesting too, because I bet you the teams that he works with that he's not just a fan with, he's probably pretty even killed.
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.720
Is that accurate?
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.319
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:03.279
Holland, what do you got?
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.400
What do what do you have on that?
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:10.160
On that, what's something that people assume about your dad that maybe they might not know the real story?
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:32.799
Um, I would say that something that like people often assume about my dad is that like maybe um maybe this isn't true for like everyone, but I feel like a lot of people see him in the light that he's like he's always like uh I'd say commanding the space or like taking taking up the space and like always being like the lead guy, like talking, like making, like, making all the conversations, like facilitating everything.
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:48.720
But I'd say from my experience, uh definitely at home sometimes, like I think me, Shepard, and Trinity, like we often laugh at this, but there's just some times where maybe like he's on the couch and he's just like completely like zoned into like Instagram reels or something, and like he's just not like really aware of like the space around him.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:54.160
So like he's not always like commanding the presence or always like taking up all the space in the room, I'd say.
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.440
Um, but there there is definitely like times where he does that, I feel like.
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.759
Um, but it's not something that's like always going on.
00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:01.599
Like he does he does like take time away.
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.000
It's like he's not always like commanding something, I feel like.
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.519
Yeah, he's not he's not always on stage in a in other words to put it, right?
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.599
Like when he's at home, he can kind of shut down and he can be a little bit quiet into himself.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:27.599
Yeah, yeah, but in group settings, he's definitely like he loves a good like little mansplaining, like he always loves to like see his side of the story, and like also whenever I'm listening to like him give a talk, like he always has like a new quote or like something like, Oh, there's this quote I love by this person.
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.599
I'm like, holy cow, how do you know all these quotes?
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.799
We kind of joke about like his memory on certain things because he has a great memory of like movie lines and like quotes like that.
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.000
So we kind of joke about that.
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:38.880
That's great.
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.119
Okay, here's a here's a last question for you guys.
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:47.440
Um, imagine that you're introducing your dad to someone for the very first time.
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.079
What's one story that captures exactly who he is?
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.319
We've told a couple good ones already, but still.
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:59.920
What's a good story that kind of just you know, there's nobody your person hasn't met this Travis Thomas before?
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.480
How are you gonna sell your dad what's the story you're gonna tell?
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:04.000
That's a hard one.
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:05.759
That's a that's a big one.
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.319
What is something you want people to know about your dad?
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.039
Like what kind of like you know, hey, this is I wanna, you know, I want to brag about my dad.
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.200
I want him to, I want him to shine.
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.680
What are you gonna tell people about him that's never met him?
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:29.119
I mean, besides the obvious great gray hair, but other than that, I mean, I would say like he does a he does do a very good job of like not being a hypocrite, like kind of like what I was saying earlier.
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:39.279
I mean, obviously he like he's human, so like there's times where he's not perfect, but like for the most part, like what he preaches, he normally like that does reflect on his actions.
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:45.920
So like what he presents as is actually like what he is like behind the scenes, like it's very similar.
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.319
Um, what you get, like what he's putting out is kind of what you get with him behind the scenes.
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.640
So I'd say he's a very like honest and like true to what he like teaches.
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:58.400
So there's nothing like that he's hiding or anything like that, to my knowledge.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.240
Roger that Holland, how about you?
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:12.559
I'd say something that isn't always I feel like highlighted or talked about from what I've seen is how I'd say uh reflective he is about like himself and the things he does.
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.359
Um and he keeps like a lot of journals around.
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.720
He does like a lot of like writing and like internal work.
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:28.960
Um and I think that seeing that side of him is like really cool uh because it resonates resonates with me and like wanting to like be better, and like I get to see him a lot of times, like maybe it's a quiet time.
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:42.079
Um he's very reflective, and I think that's really cool because he's he's going around to all these different places, these different cities, talking with all these different people, and it's not just things that he's just like it's like in like going in and like leaving like right away.
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:50.480
I think it's like things like moments he actually really likes to settle into, and he makes it like intentional to not really like pass those by or take those moments for granted.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.480
And so he journals about them and he like he reflects on them, he like he takes them to heart.
00:30:54.640 --> 00:31:04.799
Like he's probably got so so many stories and so many favorite moments of his, just because like he takes that like inner reflection time to like process it and actually just like remember it.
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:15.599
And I think that's something that's really cool and something that I want to work on more as well, just like taking that intentional reflection time to reflect on the work he's doing and the stuff he's contributing.
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:16.559
Um, yeah.
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.440
That's awesome.
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:18.160
That's awesome.
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:18.640
Okay.
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:29.680
Last thing is, I guess I just want to thank you both for for jumping uh on the podcast and and kind of uh illuminating us on what it's like to to grow up with with Travis L.
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:30.160
Thomas.
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.359
Um, what's the funniest thing that your dad does?
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Like what is what's like one thing that he does, and you guys are just cracking up every time he does it?
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And that that'll be this will be the last question for you guys, I promise.
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He does like a good job of like like imitating like my sister.
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Like sometimes, yeah, she'll like she's a very dramatic person.
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So like kind of when he's like plays her little character, like obviously he's like an improv comedian, so he's very good at playing different characters.
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So like kind of just like or whenever he imitates like someone in our family, it's like hilarious.
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Like he's just like sensationalizing like all of their like stupid stuff.
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So it's love it.
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That's awesome.
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Holland, what what about you?
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I'd say this is also similar to Shepard, but like there's there's like random like characters we run into in our life and as a family, and he's able to just like make a really cool, like funny story about them, or just like retell like the interactions we've had with them in person in just a really funny way.
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But it's just like it could be like some random person from like our old church place, and like he can just like like you talk about them in a really funny way or like impersonate them, like Shepard was saying, in just a way that's just like it's scarily like accurate, but at the same time, it's just like he's creating this whole story because like he's got like a like improv improv background, like creative mind, where it just makes it like all the more funny.
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I feel like I can't really find like a specific, specific example.
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Um, but I will go back to Trinity actually on this one.
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There was one time where uh Trinity she won like bagels, like very specifically.
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Um, and she received a flagel, which is like half a bagel, and she was like, she was not happy about that.
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And so my dad was just like imitating her and just like making fun of the whole flagol incident.
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And so, like, we have like ongoing bits and jokes that he like he still remembers to this day, and then he'll just like randomly bring up again, which I feel like so he'll bring up something from when you guys are like 10 years old.
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Yes, yes, I have a lot of those books too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The call it's like it's super embarrassing, but it's like really funny when it's like you're not the person being imitated and you're able to laugh.
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Yeah, that's so good.
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That's so good.
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I love that.
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That's I mean, I I I've seen that with your father.
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We have uh he and I have a running joke about a ghost in the jar.
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I don't know if he's told you about the ghost in the jar before, but you might want to ask him about the ghost in the jar.
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But like literally, it was a joke that we had in 2010, probably together.
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We'll still bring it up in like really opportune times.
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And sometimes they'll just give me a jar with a ghost in it and we'll just start laughing our butts off.
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It's great.
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But yeah, he does that, right?
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He does that.
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He pulls he does the uh the callback without a doubt.
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It's pretty awesome.
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So well, listen, Holland and Shepard, thank you, thank you so so much for for jumping on the podcast with us.
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We we truly appreciate it.
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Shepard, I think you know, for you with the bucket golf, now you got Holland there to help you out, maybe team up on your dad a little bit, you know.
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Hopefully I can recruit Holland to help me out.
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There you go.
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There you go.
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Get it, get it done, get it done.
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And uh, you know, like just you know, yeah, yeah.
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Just take that take that step back, take that deep breath, get that present moment, and then you know, sink a couple putts, you'll be good.
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You'll be good.
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But um, awesome guys, thank you so so much.
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Um, do you guys know the phrase that we close our podcast with?
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Have you guys listened to the podcast?
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Do you know do you know what the phrase is?
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I see a bunch of the Instagram reels that he like reposts, but I've never listened to a full podcast before.
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Thank you, Shepard.
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Thanks for thanks for tuning in.
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Appreciate you.
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How about you, Holland?
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Same thing?
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Same thing?
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No love.
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No love in the family.
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Pretty similar, yeah.
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Yeah, all right.
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Well, yeah, let me see, let me see if you guys can get it.
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I'll I'll give you the first phrase and maybe you can finish it off.
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You don't have to be sick.
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What's one more word?
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To be better, yeah.
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Oh, I do not know.
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Shepard, let's go! W for Shepard.
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You got a first win of the day.
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There you go.
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You got the first win.
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He doesn't say I have heard that a lot, actually.
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You don't have to be sick to get better.
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That's how we close the pod.
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So we're gonna do that.
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So we're gonna get make the limitless mind fist.
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You guys can do that.
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And you're just gonna say, you don't have to be sick.
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To get better.
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To get better.
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Boom.
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Nice job.
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My dad just like he just pulled me in for a big embrace and that was just a moment where I felt like so much comfort and so much gratitude for like the amount of like belief and faith he's had in me because I feel like whenever I'm at races, especially with my dad, I always like I always get to hear his voice there.
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I always like look for him in the audience and he always brings me back to the moment and what what's important about like my running.
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He feels like my biggest cheerleader when it comes to that.
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Welcome to Limitless Minds, the podcast where curiosity meets greatness.
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If you're ready to discover what it takes to be truly limitless and push beyond your own limits, you're in the right place.
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Well, this is good.
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We we've started off, obviously.
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This is the Limitless Minds podcast.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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And today we have two special guests who are already arguing.
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So you can already guess they're brothers.
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They're brothers.
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Um, and by their amazing blonde hair, which will probably turn gray in the next five years based on their father, you can already tell that they are the Thomases.
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We have uh Shepard and Holland, but Shepard and Holland, why don't you two just go ahead and introduce yourselves?
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Tell us a little bit about yourselves, um, kind of what you're up to, um, you know, your ages, where you're in school, all that kind of good stuff.
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So we'll start, we'll go older, the older brother first.
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So, so Holland, why don't you why don't you dive in here, bro?
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Sweet.
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Yeah, my name is Um Holland Thomas.
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Um, I am the middle child in the family.
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I'm 21 years old, and I attend Principia College.
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Nice.
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And what sport are you involved in?
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I mean, obviously the the the people kind of can guess, but just tell tell us anyways.
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What what sport do you uh are you doing at Principia College?
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Yeah, I run uh cross country in the fall.
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Then last year I did some indoor track in the winter and then outdoor track in the spring.
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You're doing 1600, 3200, kind of mile two-mile type of thing inside indoors, outdoors?
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Longer distance for me, yeah.
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Gotcha, gotcha.
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And uh in terms of cross-country in the college levels, that's uh is it a 5k?
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Is it a 10k?
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How how how what distances are you running?
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Uh for college level, for the men's, it's um eight eight Ks.
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8K.
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Okay.
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So in between that that three and six miles.
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Got it.
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Yeah, got it.
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Okay, cool.
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And then we have Shepard, who's who's being patient.
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Thank you, Shepard, for being patient because you're a team player, bro.
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I see you.
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Um, what what um tell us a little bit about yourself?
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Yeah, I'm Shepard.
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Um, I've played soccer my whole life, and then I played high school tennis this past year.
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Um, and I'm also going to the same college as Holland, which is Principia.
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And we're out in Michigan right now.
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We have a couple of friends over, we're having a great time.
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Um, a little bit about myself.
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You know, I I get my parents say that like I'm a pretty quiet person and like internal guy, but they always say like when I'm playing video games, I'm always like yelling and shouting.
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Same thing with like sports.
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That's where it like kind of brings out my passion.
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But other than that, I'm pr a pretty internal quiet guy for the most part.
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And let and let the people know what sport you play and what position you play.
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Yeah, I play soccer.
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I'm a center back.
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Um, I'm pretty tall, but I'm very slim.
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So like I don't really look like your stereotypical center back with my size besides the height, but um, I enjoy commanding the back line.
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I've been like a captain on most of my soccer teams, so that might come from my father.
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I'm not sure.
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But we'll we'll investigate that.
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We are gonna investigate that because this well, you guys are great, and thanks for the energy.
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This is not about you, okay?
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So stop making it about you guys.
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It's about your dad, Mr.
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Travis L.
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Thomas, co-host of the Limitless Minds podcast.
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But here's my here's my question to you guys.
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Like, in terms of your father, obviously, um, world renowned, right?
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We could say world renowned because he went to the World Cup.
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Um, did he get you tickets, by the way?
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Did you guys were you guys able to go to the to the Qatar Olympics at all?
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Sorry, not the Olympics or World Cup.
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There is a family package that they sent out for like coaching staffs, like family and stuff, but it my parents were evident uh were going to go all in on it, but it was gonna be like way too much, so we decided not to go because it was gonna be a lot of money.
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So you guys did not did not join them.
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That's all good, all good.
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All right.
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So here's the first question about your dad that I'm kind of curious about.
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Like, what is it like growing up with a mental performance coach slash improv actor in your household?
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How how how is it, you know, like what things have you learned from your dad?
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What's it kind of like on a daily basis with him?
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And either of you can go.
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Uh definitely a lot of comedy, a lot of jokes every day.
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Like he has a great sense of humor, but something I bond with him on like frequently is like sports.
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We both have like a big love for sports, so like he's always like every single day I'm always talking about sports.
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Like he grew up in Flint, so I naturally have inherited like cheering for Detroit sports team.
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So I'm always talking to him about like what the Tigers or what the Lions are doing.
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So a lot of sports with him.
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And then uh whenever we're back at our house, he's always like on a podcast or like always doing like some call.
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So I kind of hear like the same message over and over again.
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But if you put me on the spot, I'll kind of like blank on what exactly that message is, but it's like same repetition.
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Um, so I've definitely heard like all the skills and all the content that he teaches across the years.
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So you're kind of getting it through like osmosis diffusion, like it's just maybe, yeah.
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Maybe I'm like unconsciously like like yeah, taking it in.
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Yeah.
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Holland, how about how about yourself, Holland?
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What what kind of things like hit you about your dad and kind of and growing up with him?
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I think uh definitely what Shepard was talking about earlier with um uh humor and having just a good sense of humor, uh always cracking jokes, maybe sometimes taking taking the joke a little too far beyond uh past its original source.
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But um it's always a bit of a.
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Yeah, yeah, sometimes, yeah.
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Um, but then also for competition, like I think I'm really grateful because like we always got like some sort of new game that's like either happening that or we're playing together as a family.
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Um, and we're like a very competitive family, I'd say, when it comes to like like casual games that we play with each other.
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And a a huge testament to that is just comes from my dad and the amount of like games he like brings up to us and that he gets us engaged in.
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Um and then in terms of like talking, like Shepard was saying earlier, yeah, you definitely hear him throughout the house, like constantly talking and like doing his calls and interviews.
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And so you get to see that side of him, and just like Shepard was saying as well, like you get to hear a lot of the same messages that he's like repeating over and over again, but it's also cool to see how it's like I'd say he's very creative when it comes to like coming up with new ideas and new new stuff to like for like the the players, and like he's really good at coming up with things on the spot, which comes from his improv, and that's something that like I actually took improv classes like because like he introduced me to it, and so like he got me to do he got me into a lot of the creative like things about my character.
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So I think that's a huge like testament to what he's he's done and he's been doing.
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That's awesome.
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So the stuff that he's saying on the screen, maybe with me or like on a podcast or with a client or whatever, how much of that does he kind of bring into the household and kind of you know this instill into you?
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Or you know, maybe there's some of the rules in the house, like you're not allowed to say the word no, right?
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It's always yes and right.
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Is that is that how it works in the household?
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Or like I mean, like what kind of like how does it how does it play?
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Does he does he bring that stuff to you guys?
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Does he coach you the same way he coaches clients and things?
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Yeah, before games, like what he normally does with like keepers or like any, I guess, position in soccer is like give he like asks like what their focus is for the game, and that's what he's kind of been doing with me like the last two years.
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And I'm not gonna lie, when I get that text, like I don't really want to answer it sometimes, and sometimes I don't answer it.
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But and I do tend to forget the focus a little bit throughout the games, but sometimes when I do like remember it, I'm like, okay, this is actually pretty helpful.
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Um, so like he does definitely like wait, you're admitting that your dad's advice is helpful to you, Shepard.
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Is that what you're saying?
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Just want to get this clear on on video.
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Oh, only sometimes, but only sometimes, okay.
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But definitely like it out of all things, they're like like he does like to like coach me like that, um, like before a game, I guess, by just giving me like a few intentions, but not outcomes, kind of that kind of thing.
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Yeah, yeah, good, good stuff.
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How about you, Holland?
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Um, for me, I'd say similar to Shepard, like a lot of the stuff that he preaches, it shows up most in like athletics with sports and running.
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Um, and with that focus word, I think for me, like my dad has been probably my greatest supporter throughout my like running journey.
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And so I've been really like I've been really grateful for the the focus idea of having that word to focus on.
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Um, and it's something I keep on like getting pulled back into.
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Um, and kind of a little bit unlike Shepard, I actually do prefer that text before like races or like any big things I'm doing because it just like recenters my focus and gets me back involved into like the thing I need to focus on.
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And so that's always been something that I've really appreciated from my dad in terms of just like getting like mentally prepared for like things like that.
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And then it's it's more it more so shows up when I'm like doing running and like if I'm doing other games or competitions with him, my mentality isn't always the best.
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But I think that's where it mainly shows up for him, like his kind of philosophy and stuff, and the idea of like running um at the storm, like I've done a lot of things that have gotten myself like outside my comfort zone.
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And that I'd say that's thanks to like a lot of the things he he teaches on that front.
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Yeah, it's awesome.
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So you're you've kind of noticed for yourself that hey, there in the past maybe I wouldn't have this is something I'm not comfortable doing, but because of my dad, like I don't care if it's uncomfortable.
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I'm gonna run at it and I'm gonna go and try and figure it out.
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Yeah.
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Would you would you agree with that, Shepard?
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You feel that way too?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's awesome.
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That's awesome.
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Um, what are what are the sports that you guys are, what are the games you guys are playing this summer?
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I know your dad has has you know vehemently clear declared that he is one of the best pickleball players in the world, uh, certainly in the upper Michigan area and the in the UP.
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So um what you know, what sport, what games are you playing this summer?
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We we have a backyard game called bucket golf, and there's like nine like little like buckets.
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Um and you just kind of it's a wiffle ball and then like a big like iron that has like a ginormous club face.
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But the thing about my dad is like he does like to like get in your head a lot, like especially mine.
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Like I I try to get in his head, but like I will give him credit.
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It's like really hard to get in his head, like he kind of rises to the occasion in clutch moments, but I'm kind of the opposite.
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Like during like bucket golf, during my practice swing or even in my back swing, he'll like just be like getting in my head, and it actually really affects me, so I don't appreciate it.
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Um, and then pickleball, he's definitely getting up there in age, so like singles I I destroy him, but and doubles, he has good he has good hands, so like he can keep up.
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Um, so yeah, but I definitely feel that's what does he do?
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What is he do what's he doing, Shepard, to get into your head?
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Is he like coughing in your backswing?
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Does he think like Tiger Woods, his parents like jiggling change in his pocket as you as you try your back backswing?
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How's he getting into your dome?
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By like sometimes, well, with bucket golf, it's normally like making me laugh.
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Like he does this stupid, like golf announcer, like like commentator voice.
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So he'll be like commentating like very quietly during my backswing, and I like can't focus because he's like saying something stupid in like the quiet, like golf commentating.
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Yeah, I can see your father doing that.
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I can see that happening.
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It's like oh Shepard's coming up for the swing.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Shanks it.
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Yep, not sure where that's quite gonna land on the green.
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Yep, that's gonna send back a couple points.
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It's like that sort of thing.
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Like he just like whispers in your ear, like a now, oh my gosh, yeah.
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That's so funny.
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That's so funny.
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What do you try and do?
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Like, you said you you're you're unable to get into his head.
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What have you tried to do that has not worked?
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I I try everything.
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Like, I I don't know if I can name something that I haven't tried.
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Um, it's just like I'll just be like, oh, he's not clutch, like the moment's too big, but like he just he honestly enjoys it.
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Like he gets in whatever zone, and he honestly it makes him better.
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So I've low-keyed to stop trying with the smack talking.
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Sounds phenomenal.
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Sounds like such a fun game.
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Pickleball does get really heated sometimes, like when we're playing as a family.
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Like, if there's like a close line line call, and I'm like pretty certain it was in, and he's like, nah, it was out.
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Like, we'll like the next few points we'll be going at it with each other.
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Like, oh, was that out?
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Was that out?
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Like substance stuff like that.
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Like, it gets pretty heated.
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I can I can see that.
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I can see that.
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Holland, how about you?
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What what what what uh you know what is that the the bucket golf?
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Is that the big game for you as well?
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For me, yeah, I just I recently got I recently got to Michigan, so I I I'm a little bit newer to the bucket golf, but I can speak on behalf of the pickleball experiences I've had with them.
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Um there there's times, so when I'm on the I'm when I'm on the court, like I know I'm not like not the best like out of the family, so I decided to add my own little element of just being like a little bit uh extra and annoying on the court.
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And so usually I try to do that, like sometimes it works to my advantage, but most of the time it just gets um mostly everyone on the court frustrated.
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And sometimes I feel like that can like work with like getting my dad frustrated, but like honestly, he's pretty good on the court, and like I always blame it on like how just tall he is at the net, he just slams it down.
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So I think he's definitely got an advantage there.
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But I don't think I really I don't think I really try to get into my opponent's head, but I'd say he definitely gets into my head in terms of just like making sure like I kind of make unforced errors a lot of the time.
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And so I'd say it's really easy for me for him to get into my head when it comes to that.
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Um, but I'm not really trying to instigate as much as uh Shepard definitely does.
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So yeah, that's my experience.
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So so here's your dad.
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And I I think we're gonna we're gonna change, we're gonna we're gonna alter the conversation here a little bit because I want to ask you another question, but it's kind of fun, right?
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What it sounds like is your dad's competitive, the family's competitive, and you guys are gonna get a little heated out there.
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You're gonna get how long does it take to kind of like after the game's over and everybody's pissed, and yeah, like everybody's kind of how long does it take to kind of reset and everybody's like all good?
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Probably like once we get home, like so the car drive's a little quiet.
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It's a little quiet, yeah.
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Yeah, I think it depends on the person, honestly.
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Sometimes I'll actually be like very, very pissed in my head, but then everyone else is just like sunshine and rainbows.
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So I feel like it depends on like what happened on the court, or like I don't know.
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I but I feel like yeah, the car rides definitely can be quiet at times.
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But once someone breaks the ice, it's fine.
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Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's great.
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That's great.
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Okay, so uh obviously your dad's uh role uh out there in the world is he's helping support athletes, companies, leaders dealing with sometimes uncertainty, sometimes volatility, sometimes change, sometimes they're just trying to get better and just be a better human being.
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Um, what what is can you guys remember a time for each of you that your dad was like really there for you, that he supported you and helped you through either a challenging situation or just felt like he made you better as a person?
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Yeah, I have a pretty bad yeah, I have a pretty big one for me.
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Um, and my family like knows this story very well.
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Um, but it was uh during my senior, no, it's during my sophomore year.
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I was doing a cross-country race.
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So it was about 5k, and I was way ahead of my time.
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My body wasn't really used to the pace I was going.
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So towards the end of the race, I collapsed like for the first time.
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Um, like I had spent all my energy.
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And I get up and I start crawling like it's like I'm super tired.
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And I start crawling past the finish line, and I get past the finish line.
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Um, and then I remember my dad was there at the race, he was cheering me on, and I couldn't quite, I couldn't quite hear him in that moment when I was like super dizzy and knocked out.
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But I just I distinctly remember um at the end of that, like that big event, like my dad was the first one to come up to me and support me.
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And I was like laying on the ground, like super dazed.
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I didn't know anything that was happening.
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But I could just feel like that presence from my dad and that support from him.
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And I knew that like even after like collapsing or like I was about to get a really good time, even I like after that, I knew that he would just be super supportive of me and just be super like grateful for me.
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And that just made me feel like so uplifted in that moment because I was just like, I was so put down because like our team, I feel like I cost my team a lot of points there.
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Um, but my dad just like he just pulled me in for a big embrace, and that was just a moment where I felt like so much comfort and so much gratitude for like the amount of like belief and faith he's had in me because I feel like whenever I'm at races, especially with my dad, I always like I always get to hear his voice there.
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I always like look for him in the audience and he always brings me back to the moment and what what's important about like my running.
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And so I'd say he's like he feels like my biggest cheerleader when it comes to that.
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And then so when it came time for my senior year, when I when I did the same race again, and this time I didn't collapse, thankfully, um, we were able to hug again and it just felt like full circle moment because like I just knew he had my back the whole time and he had to be helping me mentally for throughout all the races because these races can be tough, but like he knew he knew what it took, and he just like had so much so much faith in me, so much belief on and it really pushed me to be my best.
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And so I just I I'd say his comfort and grace and like supporting me throughout like all of my all the stuff I do has just been like super impactful.
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That's awesome.
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That's awesome.
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Good luck following that one up, Shepard.
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Yeah, I don't really have any like specific stories.
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Um honestly, my memory's not great of like specific moments, but overall I think he's just great at instilling confidence in me like when I need it, or just like any leadership position I've had, like at school, I had one this year, and he's just helped me like brainstorm a few times when I've needed it, and just giving me like good advice on like definitely like leadership things.
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Um, but yeah, definitely instilling confidence and like giving me like good uh feedback and like stuff I could do like to lead a group of people.
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Yeah, so yeah, he leans in.
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That's you know, his role is he's a leadership guy.
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That makes total sense.
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Um, in terms of, you know, we you talked about it earlier, don't put me on the spot, you said shepherd, but uh but I'm gonna do that anyways for both of you.
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I'll I'll let Holland go first.
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But in terms of the stuff your dad teaches, what are some things that you've noticed that he kind of brings into the household?
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Maybe not overtly, maybe like not like, hey, we're gonna talk about this concept today, but that he just kind of like maybe embodies or lives or kind of shows you how to do.
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I would say definitely um like the present moment, I'd say is something that's really like reflects him and buys him.
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And like also being able to move on from a mistake and just being able to be quick on it.
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Um, because for me, that's something I I struggle with.
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I tend to dwell or just like hold on to something that like that I did wrong or just like dwell on it.
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But I'd say like naturally, I think he kind of just embodies like the like the next moment, like going on to the next moment, like what how can I do this better next time?
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How can I, how can I show up differently?
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And so instead of like instead of like spending time like and having a pity party, I feel like he's always just like, all right, like what's the next thing I can do?
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Like, and he he brings up that philosophy with like with soccer and like players on the pitch, being like, where's the ball?
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Where do I need to be?
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And I feel like that's something that he actually embodies within the house, and just when I've seen him around, just always going on to the next moment and not really dwelling on the past, like mistakes or like failures.
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Awesome.
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Shepard, what do you got?
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Probably just like doing the hard thing and just like dealing with adversity rather than like taking the easy path.
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Um, like naturally, I'm a pretty lazy guy, um, but he definitely holds me accountable, like, especially in the summer, like to go out and run and just kind of be like the best version of myself.
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Like, he definitely pushes me like to get outside of my that's another thing, like getting outside of your comfort zone and not staying in your comfort zone, getting outside of it.
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Um, just like with anything we do.
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Um can you give me an example of your dad getting outside of his comfort zone within like the family world?
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Him getting outside.
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I honestly a lot of things feel comfortable for him.
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Like I haven't really seen him like where he's like whole like deer in headlights.
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Like, I haven't seen him like like that before, to be honest.
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He just seems comfortable, like in any like that's that's what I feel like that's like public speakers.
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Like, if public speaking doesn't get you like shell shocked, then I feel like you can kind of deal with a lot.
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But definitely, well, my mom like kind of covers all the finances and like she does our taxes and stuff.
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So, like when when whenever they're talking about that, he's definitely like he's never in a good mood, and he's just like that.
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So definitely like taxes and stuff, like not that that frazzles him.
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Okay, I get that.
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I get that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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How about you, Holland?
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What what do you got for that question?
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For uh wait, can you repeat it again?
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Just so I yeah, I was I was just kind of curious about you know, your dad in in the in terms of like you guys both talked about hey, running running at the storm and getting out of your comfort zone.
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So I was saying, have you ever seen your dad kind of out of his comfort zone and what does that look like?
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And Shepard just kind of mentioned hey, kind of really doesn't, but there's times where oh my gosh, like when he's you know talking about finances and stuff, you can see him kind of getting frazzled there.
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Yeah, uh, I yeah, I definitely agree with that.
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It's hard, it's hard to see him like really like uncomfortable with with something or like like something that is like coming up.
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And so I feel like I agree with Shepard on that.
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And like if there's ever like certain things that he like visibly like doesn't want to do, he'll just like remove himself from the like the situation, or if it's like whether it's like certain like People or maybe like family friends that we don't really want to talk to.
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I'd say he just kind of doesn't like he kind of makes an effort to like get out quickly or just like not really being does an Irish goodbye, just does this nice Irish goodbye just disappears.
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I'd say yeah, some sometimes.
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Like you you never really know, like you can never tell really until like he's just like out of the place and he's like alright in the car, like ready to go somewhere.
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Um, but yeah, that that that sometimes happens, I feel like.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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Um, okay, so your dad's whole thing, his first book was live yes and.
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And you know, like that's his whole, that's the whole thing, you know, like that's where it all started for your dad.
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Obviously, it's not the whole package, there's so much more to your father than just yes and.
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But how does that how does that manifest itself in the household?
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What is what is yes and like for you guys as a family?
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Definitely not like shutting down like any ideas, um, just kind of that yes and mindset.
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:57.039
Um, yeah, that's that's an interesting question.
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Like we when you guys are choosing where to go to dinner, is everybody like somebody's like, hey, let's get pizza?
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And you're like, yes, and we need some protein time.
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No, like we want burgers.
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Meal planning is probably one of the hardest things in our family to to come to or like Thomas.
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Excuse me about that.
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What does that look like?
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What's what's meal planning look like in the Thomas household?
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Okay, well, me, uh, my mom and dad are all vegetarians, and then Trinity Shepard, they like, yeah, they both eat like regular.
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And for me, I'm also like a very I'd say Shepard and I are more more picky eaters um than most people.
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And so it makes it really hard when we're playing to go somewhere.
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And most of the time it's like maybe it's a place that like my mom wants to go or my dad wants to go, or but Shepard and I, like we, I'd say we enjoy fast eating fast food a lot.
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And like that sometimes there's like moments like that where they want to eat like a maybe more nicer place, but it's like hard to come to a consensus in the car.
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And so I wouldn't say I'd say it's like we're not really we're not really yesing and in that part.
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I'd say it's just more like, oh, and we could do this or and we could or we should do that.
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:09.599
So I wouldn't say in that in that situation doesn't really pop up, but I can I can name examples of when um I'd say yes and uh pops up.
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And I feel like that has to do um with things like I'd say like like moments we have in our family.
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It's just like yes, and how do we respond to this next thing?
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Uh a lot of like things will like pop up and like maybe it's like an issue or a challenge, and usually the next thought is like, yes, this is this is what's happening, this is the reality, like we're accepting it, and how do we respond to it?
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I feel like it's more of like a response thing that we have come to instead of being like, Oh, I can't believe this happened to us.
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It's like uh, all right, what's the next thing we can do to make this better?
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Um, so I'd say that's an example of where it pops up in our in our house.
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Yeah, it's great.
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Kind of like what Han was saying, it's like normally like with like challenges rather than like an everyday like kind of thing, like it's accepting what's in front of you and like what can you do to get out of the situation.
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So like I think I remember this year my dad was like gonna go to Vegas or something, but like every flight was getting canceled for some reason.
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So I think he ended up like driving there himself, and like it was a pretty big talk, so he like needed to get there.
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Um, but like rather than like being like, Oh, all the flights are getting canceled, like, oh, I won't make it there.
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He kind of like found a way, and like I think he flew to one city and then literally drove like 12 hours to Vegas.
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I think it was something like that.
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Um he drove to Atlanta from Florida and then he flew from from Atlanta to to uh to Vegas.
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Yeah, so like oh yeah, yeah.
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So like rather than accepting like the flight cancellations, he went out of his way and drove to Atlanta.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, he just found a way.
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That's a that's a great example, Shepard.
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I love that.
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Um, okay, let's look, we're gonna uh do a couple more questions and then we'll wrap up.
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But like, what is something that you think that maybe people assume about your dad, right?
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Because they just know him in public and they know him on stage.
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Uh that's completely, completely false.
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Something they would assume about your dad that's maybe not true.
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:10.559
Well, I want to like no one's perfect, so I want to really say he's like exactly preaching what like his actions are necessarily what he's preaching all the time.
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:18.720
Cause like a funny story is like when I was like 10 or something, we went out and played golf, and like that's the most miserable like I've ever seen my dad.
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.559
Like, he was horrible to be with.
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:32.160
Like, he well, he's not very good at golf, and like I've just never seen him like that frustrated with himself, and then also like whenever we're watching like sports together, like the Lions, like he gets so fr.
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:38.240
He's like he allows himself to like go away from what he preaches and just be like a miserable sports fan.
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.759
So, like and most Lions fans are, so that's yeah, that's true.
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:43.440
That yeah, we are pretty miserable.
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.160
Um, so like very petty, like so.
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:53.039
Yeah, what while watching his favorite sports teams, he's not exactly he's he's a little bit of a hypocrite, but besides that, he's pretty good.
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:59.599
It's interesting too, because I bet you the teams that he works with that he's not just a fan with, he's probably pretty even killed.
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.720
Is that accurate?
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.319
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:03.279
Holland, what do you got?
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.400
What do what do you have on that?
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:10.160
On that, what's something that people assume about your dad that maybe they might not know the real story?
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:32.799
Um, I would say that something that like people often assume about my dad is that like maybe um maybe this isn't true for like everyone, but I feel like a lot of people see him in the light that he's like he's always like uh I'd say commanding the space or like taking taking up the space and like always being like the lead guy, like talking, like making, like, making all the conversations, like facilitating everything.
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:48.720
But I'd say from my experience, uh definitely at home sometimes, like I think me, Shepard, and Trinity, like we often laugh at this, but there's just some times where maybe like he's on the couch and he's just like completely like zoned into like Instagram reels or something, and like he's just not like really aware of like the space around him.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:54.160
So like he's not always like commanding the presence or always like taking up all the space in the room, I'd say.
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.440
Um, but there there is definitely like times where he does that, I feel like.
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.759
Um, but it's not something that's like always going on.
00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:01.599
Like he does he does like take time away.
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.000
It's like he's not always like commanding something, I feel like.
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.519
Yeah, he's not he's not always on stage in a in other words to put it, right?
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.599
Like when he's at home, he can kind of shut down and he can be a little bit quiet into himself.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:27.599
Yeah, yeah, but in group settings, he's definitely like he loves a good like little mansplaining, like he always loves to like see his side of the story, and like also whenever I'm listening to like him give a talk, like he always has like a new quote or like something like, Oh, there's this quote I love by this person.
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.599
I'm like, holy cow, how do you know all these quotes?
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.799
We kind of joke about like his memory on certain things because he has a great memory of like movie lines and like quotes like that.
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.000
So we kind of joke about that.
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:38.880
That's great.
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.119
Okay, here's a here's a last question for you guys.
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:47.440
Um, imagine that you're introducing your dad to someone for the very first time.
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.079
What's one story that captures exactly who he is?
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.319
We've told a couple good ones already, but still.
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:59.920
What's a good story that kind of just you know, there's nobody your person hasn't met this Travis Thomas before?
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.480
How are you gonna sell your dad what's the story you're gonna tell?
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:04.000
That's a hard one.
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:05.759
That's a that's a big one.
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.319
What is something you want people to know about your dad?
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.039
Like what kind of like you know, hey, this is I wanna, you know, I want to brag about my dad.
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.200
I want him to, I want him to shine.
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.680
What are you gonna tell people about him that's never met him?
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:29.119
I mean, besides the obvious great gray hair, but other than that, I mean, I would say like he does a he does do a very good job of like not being a hypocrite, like kind of like what I was saying earlier.
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:39.279
I mean, obviously he like he's human, so like there's times where he's not perfect, but like for the most part, like what he preaches, he normally like that does reflect on his actions.
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:45.920
So like what he presents as is actually like what he is like behind the scenes, like it's very similar.
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.319
Um, what you get, like what he's putting out is kind of what you get with him behind the scenes.
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.640
So I'd say he's a very like honest and like true to what he like teaches.
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:58.400
So there's nothing like that he's hiding or anything like that, to my knowledge.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.240
Roger that Holland, how about you?
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:12.559
I'd say something that isn't always I feel like highlighted or talked about from what I've seen is how I'd say uh reflective he is about like himself and the things he does.
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.359
Um and he keeps like a lot of journals around.
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.720
He does like a lot of like writing and like internal work.
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:28.960
Um and I think that seeing that side of him is like really cool uh because it resonates resonates with me and like wanting to like be better, and like I get to see him a lot of times, like maybe it's a quiet time.
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:42.079
Um he's very reflective, and I think that's really cool because he's he's going around to all these different places, these different cities, talking with all these different people, and it's not just things that he's just like it's like in like going in and like leaving like right away.
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:50.480
I think it's like things like moments he actually really likes to settle into, and he makes it like intentional to not really like pass those by or take those moments for granted.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.480
And so he journals about them and he like he reflects on them, he like he takes them to heart.
00:30:54.640 --> 00:31:04.799
Like he's probably got so so many stories and so many favorite moments of his, just because like he takes that like inner reflection time to like process it and actually just like remember it.
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:15.599
And I think that's something that's really cool and something that I want to work on more as well, just like taking that intentional reflection time to reflect on the work he's doing and the stuff he's contributing.
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:16.559
Um, yeah.
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.440
That's awesome.
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:18.160
That's awesome.
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:18.640
Okay.
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:29.680
Last thing is, I guess I just want to thank you both for for jumping uh on the podcast and and kind of uh illuminating us on what it's like to to grow up with with Travis L.
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:30.160
Thomas.
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.359
Um, what's the funniest thing that your dad does?
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.480
Like what is what's like one thing that he does, and you guys are just cracking up every time he does it?
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.519
And that that'll be this will be the last question for you guys, I promise.
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:46.000
He does like a good job of like like imitating like my sister.
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.400
Like sometimes, yeah, she'll like she's a very dramatic person.
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:57.920
So like kind of when he's like plays her little character, like obviously he's like an improv comedian, so he's very good at playing different characters.
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:03.200
So like kind of just like or whenever he imitates like someone in our family, it's like hilarious.
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:07.759
Like he's just like sensationalizing like all of their like stupid stuff.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.200
So it's love it.
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:10.079
That's awesome.
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.519
Holland, what what about you?
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:27.920
I'd say this is also similar to Shepard, but like there's there's like random like characters we run into in our life and as a family, and he's able to just like make a really cool, like funny story about them, or just like retell like the interactions we've had with them in person in just a really funny way.
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:49.920
But it's just like it could be like some random person from like our old church place, and like he can just like like you talk about them in a really funny way or like impersonate them, like Shepard was saying, in just a way that's just like it's scarily like accurate, but at the same time, it's just like he's creating this whole story because like he's got like a like improv improv background, like creative mind, where it just makes it like all the more funny.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.119
I feel like I can't really find like a specific, specific example.
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.599
Um, but I will go back to Trinity actually on this one.
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.400
There was one time where uh Trinity she won like bagels, like very specifically.
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.480
Um, and she received a flagel, which is like half a bagel, and she was like, she was not happy about that.
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.279
And so my dad was just like imitating her and just like making fun of the whole flagol incident.
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:20.799
And so, like, we have like ongoing bits and jokes that he like he still remembers to this day, and then he'll just like randomly bring up again, which I feel like so he'll bring up something from when you guys are like 10 years old.
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.960
Yes, yes, I have a lot of those books too.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:23.759
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:30.160
The call it's like it's super embarrassing, but it's like really funny when it's like you're not the person being imitated and you're able to laugh.
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.279
Yeah, that's so good.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:32.000
That's so good.
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:32.640
I love that.
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.200
That's I mean, I I I've seen that with your father.
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.880
We have uh he and I have a running joke about a ghost in the jar.
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.440
I don't know if he's told you about the ghost in the jar before, but you might want to ask him about the ghost in the jar.
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:49.200
But like literally, it was a joke that we had in 2010, probably together.
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.400
We'll still bring it up in like really opportune times.
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.799
And sometimes they'll just give me a jar with a ghost in it and we'll just start laughing our butts off.
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.359
It's great.
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:58.640
But yeah, he does that, right?
00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.119
He does that.
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.680
He pulls he does the uh the callback without a doubt.
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:02.720
It's pretty awesome.
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:08.239
So well, listen, Holland and Shepard, thank you, thank you so so much for for jumping on the podcast with us.
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.519
We we truly appreciate it.
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:16.400
Shepard, I think you know, for you with the bucket golf, now you got Holland there to help you out, maybe team up on your dad a little bit, you know.
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.800
Hopefully I can recruit Holland to help me out.
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:21.519
There you go.
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.000
There you go.
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.440
Get it, get it done, get it done.
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.159
And uh, you know, like just you know, yeah, yeah.
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:32.000
Just take that take that step back, take that deep breath, get that present moment, and then you know, sink a couple putts, you'll be good.
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:32.719
You'll be good.
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.119
But um, awesome guys, thank you so so much.
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.519
Um, do you guys know the phrase that we close our podcast with?
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.880
Have you guys listened to the podcast?
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.239
Do you know do you know what the phrase is?
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.119
I see a bunch of the Instagram reels that he like reposts, but I've never listened to a full podcast before.
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:48.000
Thank you, Shepard.
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:49.119
Thanks for thanks for tuning in.
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:49.760
Appreciate you.
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:50.800
How about you, Holland?
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.360
Same thing?
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:51.920
Same thing?
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:52.880
No love.
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:53.840
No love in the family.
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:55.199
Pretty similar, yeah.
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:55.920
Yeah, all right.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:58.480
Well, yeah, let me see, let me see if you guys can get it.
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.760
I'll I'll give you the first phrase and maybe you can finish it off.
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.760
You don't have to be sick.
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:11.280
What's one more word?
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:16.159
To be better, yeah.
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:17.760
Oh, I do not know.
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.400
Shepard, let's go! W for Shepard.
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:21.679
You got a first win of the day.
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:22.159
There you go.
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.199
You got the first win.
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:25.920
He doesn't say I have heard that a lot, actually.
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:27.519
You don't have to be sick to get better.
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.400
That's how we close the pod.
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:29.119
So we're gonna do that.
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.039
So we're gonna get make the limitless mind fist.
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:31.679
You guys can do that.
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.239
And you're just gonna say, you don't have to be sick.
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:35.519
To get better.
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:36.639
To get better.
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:37.440
Boom.
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:38.880
Nice job.
