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Misha Saul joins Claire Lehmann to discuss his viral essay Australia Is Sick and why he believes Australia has squandered many of the advantages that made it one of the world’s most prosperous countries.
They discuss immigration, productivity, net zero, the NDIS, employment law, regulatory overreach, and the political incentives that make reform difficult. Saul argues that Australia needs to regain greater agency over its borders and economy—and explains why he remains optimistic about the potential of AI.
CHAPTERS
00:00 - Australia’s lost potential
01:20 - From Ambitious Australia to Australia Is Sick
02:13 - The tax proposals that triggered the essay
03:29 - How countries decline slowly
05:08 - Why reform is so difficult
06:04 - Net zero and Australia’s energy policy
07:01 - Universities and immigration
08:29 - Australia needs control over immigration
12:00 - The economic arguments Saul rejects
14:07 - Should Australia import labour?
16:01 - Cheap labour and productivity
18:56 - Business interests and the Liberal Party
20:51 - Why bad policies are hard to reverse
22:19 - Is Australia becoming like the UK?
24:11 - What makes the US different?
26:06 - What Australia still gets right
29:56 - One Nation and voter anger
31:48 - Can the major parties respond?
33:15 - Immigration and Australian federation
35:11 - Saul’s Australian identity
37:50 - The Brexit comparison
39:04 - Rethinking skilled migration
40:43 - What Australia could do differently
42:03 - Reforming employment law
43:17 - AI and reasons for optimism
44:22 - Where to find Misha Saul
Misha Saul — Australia Is Sick
https://www.kvetch.au/p/australia-is-sick
Misha Saul — Ambitious Australia
https://www.kvetch.au/p/ambitious-australia
Misha Saul on X
https://x.com/misha_saul
Kvetch
https://www.kvetch.au/
Quillette
https://quillette.com/
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