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Hello and welcome to Generation Video. I'm Wes.
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And I'm Rhett.
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And welcome back. Spooky season is still going strong, 2026.
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Let's go, our favorite time of year.
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That's right. Midway through October here, watching some horror films, right?
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Sci-fi and horror, I guess, over the last few episodes.
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Right. Yeah, we dabbled a little bit with our friend
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on last week, but we are definitely back at the
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full swing of the spooky season here.
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Yeah. So this week was my pick. And I think
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at the end of the last episode, I don't think
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I had told you what my pick was because I
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didn't know at the time.
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Uh that checked out okay that's right i was wondering
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like all week i was like do i know what
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our episode is do i need to figure out do
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i need to re-watch the end of the episode but
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no i didn't forget i just didn't know no but
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it popped in.
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My head um a movie that i remember talking about
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on drunken zombie a long time ago but also just
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one i hadn't seen for a long time and i
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remember enjoying so uh we're going to be talking about
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the psychological horror film triangle from 2009. Ooh, it's a
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British Australian, uh, co-production. So we'll get into that. But
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first I wanted to just kind of talk about, uh,
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since we haven't done a show for a couple of weeks, um,
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is there anything you've seen, watched, um, enjoyed that you
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feel like talking about?
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Uh, well, I do have a guilty. I don't have
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to spend any degree of time talking about it, but
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since we are in spooky season, I will admit I
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have already dipped my toe into the guilty pleasure. That
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is Hubie Halloween. I have to watch it every year. Okay. Okay.
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It's very cheesy. It's like new, new age Adam Sandler,
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but I feel like it's like one of his like
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more classic feeling modern movies. If that makes any sort
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of sense, if you feel like if you're a long time,
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Adam Sandler fan, that'll make sense. But, uh, he, his
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Netflix era feels like it's, you know, kind of toned
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down and it's absurdity and zaniness, but that Huey Halloween,
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it's thematic for Halloween. I love that. And I love
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how ridiculous it is. Okay.
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I have not seen it, but I understand what you're
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talking about as far as that era being a little
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different as far as his movies.
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Right. Yeah.
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Especially if you grew up loving the original ones.
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Exactly. And I did. And I love how ridiculous it is.
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So don't let me put this movie on too high
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of a pedestal. Like I'm not saying it's a great movie,
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but it's just like, I don't know, guilty pleasure for me.
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Okay. You're not putting it on a pedestal, but you're
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picking it up off the floor.
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Yes, that's a great way to phrase it. And I
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have to do it every year. How did this get
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down here again? Because Tracy keeps knocking it off the pedestal.
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She's over the movie.
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I can't not.
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That's your time loop.
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For real. Yeah. What about you? I mean, I really
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don't have a whole lot that I've been doing. I
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did a trip to Kansas City.
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Oh, yeah, you had some work stuff, yeah.
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Yeah, I did some grown-up nonsense, and that's what I've
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been busy doing.
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Hey, I mean, I bought a dryer the other day,
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so that's grown-up nonsense bullshit right there. Just one of
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those things.
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Yeah, we all got to eat our vegetables every once
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in a while.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Yeah, let's live vicariously through you. Let me catch up
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on some stuff.
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Yeah, so the last couple of weeks I've been in
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the horror film mood, so I've kind of gone back
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through and watched some new stuff to me, some old stuff.
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So just a quick Quick reviews here. Children of the Corn.
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One of the best Stephen King adaptations. Still terrifying. Love it.
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Halloween 3, Season of the Witch. Been a long time
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since I've watched Halloween 3.
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You had some strong words about that at 8-Bit.
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Yeah, you know, like, I think the older I get,
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the more that I appreciate it. And it's kind of,
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you know, kind of the version of what, you know,
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Halloween was kind of supposed to be originally as far
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as a concept. I like it a lot more as
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time goes on because it's just kind of a standalone thing.
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Well, those weren't your words at 8, but I need
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you to go on the record with those words, Wes.
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I don't. I was like several beers in at that point.
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Wes is saying it was the best Halloween. Yeah, that
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sounds right. I don't know. As time goes on, I
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enjoy it for what it is. It's campy. It's fun.
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There's some cool stuff in there. I mean, the other
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ones still exist, too, and that's fine, but.
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Sam Loomis is rolling over in his grave right now.
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It's fine. It's Donald Pleasance. He's fine. As long as
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you're paying him, he'll show up.
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Fair enough.
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Jeepers Creepers. Still don't like that movie very much.
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I thought you had sworn off watching that one. I
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had suggested that one to you at one point, and
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you brought up the director, and we all know that
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he's a monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were
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never going to go watch it because of that.
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Well, no. It was one of those things that just
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kind of lingered, and I was like, what the hell? Like,
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I'll just, I'll give it another shot, you know, whatever.
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Like the first half of the film, the suspense stuff is,
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is pretty okay. That's not bad. Um, but then once
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you get to like the second half, the monster movie part,
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like it's just, it loses so much steam and the
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lighting is really poor and the costume looks kind of
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shitty to me.
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Well, watching that movie as a kid, I thought the
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monster movie part of it was absolutely just terrifying. I'm
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not going to lie. I remember like being viscerally afraid
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a few times. They're like, Like this police station part
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being all scary or like, like him flying is just,
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I don't know, creeping the hell out of me.
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I think this is a generational divide one because I
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was probably too old to appreciate it. And you were
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just right about the age range that it.
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Was like the, the peak horror there for me. Yeah. Yeah.
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It was the forbidden, uh, you know, horror film for you. So, uh,
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which is fine. Um, but yeah, I was like, eh, whatever.
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Uh, based on a true story there.
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You know that? Well, yeah. mean how much is it
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actually no like.
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The the van is like it was like this real
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couple was driving down the road seeing this guy with
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like bloody sheets and like that was like burying him
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out by this abandoned school they reported to the cops
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and this guy like had murdered his his wife i
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could see that like it's that's a true that part
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is yeah that part's true yeah yeah like that's what
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they based that intro and that setup.
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Yeah like i said the first part the first half
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is solid.
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But Yeah, once you get into the monster stuff, that
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is obviously, of course, not. But the introduction of the
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movie is based on a true story.
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Yeah. What else? I watched Del Toro's Frankenstein. It was
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pretty good. It was not what I expected.
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Oh, I didn't know you hadn't seen that one yet.
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I hadn't got around to it yet.
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Cool, yeah. That one I thought was freaking chef's kiss.
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It had his very Del Toro, his fingerprints all over it,
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which I loved.
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Yeah, and it kind of, because at first I was like, okay,
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this is going a little different, and then I kind
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of got into it more and then it was like, wow,
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this is just really, it's done in that old school
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horror sort of way where, um, you know, it's, it's
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true to the, the period, but also it's like eloquent and, uh, interesting. So, uh,
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I would definitely watch it again.
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Yeah. I feel like he has such a way, like,
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like aesthetically style, stylistically that he can make old timey
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subject matter feel really captivating still. So, you know, which is,
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I feel like, uh, art that's, getting increasingly lost.
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Yeah. No, it was cool. I liked that it was a,
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you know, uh, a different take than it's not just,
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it's like, Oh, we're not, we're not just remaking it
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shot for shot. And I was like, here's my version
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of the classic story. I was like, cool.
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Right. And he had been cooking that up since he
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was 18, you know, since he was in school. Like he,
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I had watched a little video on it and he
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had shown drawings like that he had made like while
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he was in school, that was concept art that was
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still like used in the film. So he described that
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movie as his Mount Everest. Mm-hmm.
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Isn't that cool, though? Like, if you were drawing some shit,
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and you're like, yeah, this is going to be an
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awesome movie, and then you end up making it, like,
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years later. For real.
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You become, like, that successful of a filmmaker. They give
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you the keys or something like that.
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Mm-hmm. What else? Finally dove into the show Wednesday. Hadn't
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got around to Wednesday. It had been on my radar
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for a few years.
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Yeah, but it's still on my radar. I haven't got
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to it. I feel like, you know, it just... meteoric popularity.
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So I was just like, eh, let's see if that
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has any staying power. Let the dust settle.
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It was super good. The first season was excellent. I
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highly recommend it. Wow. Yeah, Shannon and I went through
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it in three nights, like the first eight episodes in
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season one. Wow. So it was captivating.
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Yeah, that's a high bar right there, actually.
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Tim Burton directed most of them. of course.
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Uh, Oh really? I thought he was just like a
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producer sort of background.
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No, no, because, uh, so he directed most of them
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and the people, the two people that wrote most of
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the Wednesday episodes also wrote Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Ah, so you
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can see all the connections there because, uh, you know,
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you had Jenna Ortega in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. You have Jenna
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Ortega in, uh, Wednesday. Like it, it's just, they're, they're like, um,
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I don't know. Uh, complimentary Tim Burton productions, I would say,
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you know, because they were about a year apart.
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What's that line in Django or Leonardo DiCaprio? It's like,
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you had my interest, but now you have my curiosity.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Some shit like that. That's where I'm at for sure.
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Yeah, it's really good. And like, I think you and
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Tracy would probably enjoy it because it's a lot of,
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it's kind of Harry Potter-esque in a way.
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Yeah, that's a good sign.
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Magical school shenanigans, you know?
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That kind of stuff. Who doesn't like a rich world
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building type of setting, you know?
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Yeah. So I was really surprised. I enjoyed it quite
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a bit. I'm pretty sure Jim has mentioned it to
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us before. We've talked about it because I think he's
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really enjoyed it. So yeah, finally got to it. It
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was excellent. Highly recommend it. So what else? Oh, and then.
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Outside of the movie that I'm talking about this week,
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which I watched three times this week, which is kind
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of funny. But before that, I watched Creep 2.
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Ah, yes.
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So I sat down and watched Creep 2 the other
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night because I was in a mood for watching a
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horror film. And so it was late at night. So
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I just turned out all the lights and just turned
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that on.
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Mark Duplass is a crazy mofo, ain't he?
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Man, that second one was so good.
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So it's been quite a while, I admit, since I've
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seen it. So I don't remember like the play by play,
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but I definitely remember.
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Yeah.
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Some of the beats. Yeah.
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You should see it again. Cause I mean, it's, it's
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a lot, you know, like here's the, here's the first one,
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you know, but like now.
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More unhinged. Yeah.
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A little bit more unhinged.
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Right.
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So yeah, that was super good.
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So. I knew you would like Creep. The fact that
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you hadn't seen it already just felt like such a
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blind spot on your record.
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Dude, I'm telling you. I think everybody's got certain different
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blind spots when it comes to movies because there's just
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so many of them out there. And then sometimes when
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you finally get to one, it's like, yeah, that was great.
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That was worth watching.
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It's just like such... Has like major, almost perfect overlap
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on like every Venn diagram sort of ratio. And you
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still hadn't seen it. It just blew my mind.
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Yeah. But when... when it hits and you really enjoy it,
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that's how you know something has really long lasting power.
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Oh yeah.
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If a movie sticks with you after a couple of
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years at this point, like it's gotta be pretty good.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Shout out to my wife, Tracy again for showing me
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that one and getting us here for that.
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Yeah, totally. Uh, so yeah, good, good stuff there. Um,
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lots of, uh, lots of horror films.
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So, so yeah, sounds like you had quite the freaking lineup, dude.
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Uh, yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit. So, This
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week is Triangle, of course. Yeah, you see the title.
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Talking about threes, you know. So, funny fact here, and
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this was completely coincidental, but the director of Triangle is
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also the same director of Creep. Which is kind of cool,
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because remember at first you're like, that guy's got a
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stupid name.
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Yeah, I think I.
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Christopher George or something, right?
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It's Christopher Smith. Christopher Smith, yeah. I think I said, wow,
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what a punchable name.
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Right, you did. And I'm sitting over here just like
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kind of.
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It's such a generic name. I didn't even connect the dots.
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And I'm not even going to lie. I guess like... Yeah.
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I shouldn't, you know, say terribly too much, but like
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there's like a person.
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If he's listening, sorry about that, dude.
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No, there's a person in my company with that exact
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name who I also feel is equally punchable. So... He's
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leaving the company, though, so that's why I get to
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say that.
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That was because he got punched.
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Too many times? Yeah.
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That's hilarious.
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Well, no comment.
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No comment.
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I wasn't down in Kansas City. You can't prove nothing.
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Right? That's hilarious. Yeah, because I was going to save
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it for the show anyway. I'd be like, oh, yeah,
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this is the same guy that directed Creep. You're like,
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it's a punchable name. It's like, you know, side eye.
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Yeah, this idiot. That's great.
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Yeah.
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Get a load of this asshole.
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Get a load of this guy. I was trying to
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remember the first time I saw this. I want to
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say probably I feel like it was on Netflix way back.
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Because this movie came out in 2009. I feel like
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I either watched it on Netflix around then or saw
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it on DVD or something.
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This feels like peak 2010s Netflix. Early 2010s Netflix sort
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of catalog here.
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Yeah. Because it wasn't actually released here theatrically. Like it
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played in like Australia and the UK where it was like,
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it was filmed in Australia with like, um, like some
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film grant things and stuff like that. And then it
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was like, uh, co-produced British film. But yeah, if for
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some reason it didn't get released here until like, I
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feel like it probably went to Netflix because it wasn't
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released theatrically here maybe. And maybe that's where I saw
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it the first time.
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One of the first avenues of things getting them, them
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second legs.
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Yeah, basically.
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Yeah.
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Um, So yeah, I remember watching it and I was like,
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oh man, this movie's great. This is one of those
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back pocket recommendations of, you know, if you like certain
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movies like Memento or Inception.
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Memento came up at one point in my head while
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watching this. That's, yeah, good call out there.
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Yeah, I love those kind of movies because they're infinitely
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rewatchable even if you know all the stuff about them.
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Because then you start to deconstruct them and see, like, okay,
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how well did the writer put this together? How well
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did the director put this together?
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Right. And, like, they leave just enough breadcrumbs, and they leave, like,
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just enough, like, little gaps, you know, I guess, to
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infer certain things. You know, like, just to leave you,
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the audience member, to imply your own sort of storytelling.
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Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I thought what we would do
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is we'll play the trailer. And then we're going to
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talk about the plot in a pretty standard sort of
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way and maybe give our recommendations. And then we'll go
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through like a second time talking about it, having watched
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it again and like our deep dive thoughts.
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Yeah, we're going to Groundhog Day this one.
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Yeah, basically. So that's what I thought we'd do. And yeah,
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so let's check out the trailer.
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How do we know when the loop starts?
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You know, it might have already started. I don't know.
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Yeah, we'll get there. Yeah.
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You know what I do when I have a bad dream?
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I close my eyes and I think of something nice.
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So let's go sailing. Wind's dropped out on us.
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Get below deck now. Get the life jackets.
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Oh, thank God.
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Hello?
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Where is everybody? You enter a place you have never been.
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I recognize this corridor. Everything you see.
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It's starting over again. That's what's going on.
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Everything that happened.
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To you happened to you before. He's dead! You changed
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the pattern. You changed the pattern and you're not trapped.
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Who are you?
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So, yeah, there's Triangle, the trailer.
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That was crazy.
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Yeah, it's very 2000s with that music towards the end there.
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But up to that point, you get a really good
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sense of, like, what this movie is kind of about, right?
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Yeah, I wish they had almost reeled it in just
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a little bit on what we were getting into. But,
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you know, because I had a great time experiencing it
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very blind. But... They did set the stage a little
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bit in the type of movie we're going to be into. Yeah.
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That's why this is one of my favorite recommendations. I
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like showing this film to somebody that really doesn't know
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what they're getting into because these kind of movies are
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meant to be explored and figured out for the first
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time because they're such puzzles to unlock. That's what I
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like about these kind of movies is there's a lot
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to think about and piece together.
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Yeah, there is like... it's nice to, whenever you're watching
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it with a buddy too, cause like you get to
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like discuss that a little bit. Then I think, yeah,
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as you're saying, like solve is a good way to
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describe like how you get through this movie. You have
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to solve it.
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Yeah. And that's, what's fun.
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Yeah.
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When you're, uh, you're watching it with somebody you can
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like talk about or whatever. So, um, yeah, I thought
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we would just kind of go through the plot here and, uh,
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we'll just try to be, you know, pretty basic without, um,
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giving away a whole lot if you're interested in seeing
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the movie. And then, uh, if you want to skip
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ahead and, you know, however long then, uh, we'll.
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Get into the nitty gritty stuff.
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Yeah. We'll get into the good stuff. So, uh, but
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basically what we're looking at in the beginning here, the
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film opens with, uh, our character, Jess, uh, who's at
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home with her autistic son, Tommy. And, uh, we see, uh,
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we see Jess going around, uh, cleaning up, getting the laundry,
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you know, doing the chores. Uh, she hears a buzz
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at the front door, doorbell goes off and she goes
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to see who it was. There's nobody there. So she
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asked her neighbor, who's mowing his yard, you know, did
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you see anybody? He's like, no, I didn't see anybody.
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So I'm like, okay, you know.
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It seems, as far as we can tell, just business
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as usual another day.
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Yeah. Just, uh you know uh ding dong ditch or
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whatever um so then we cut to uh just going
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down to the harbor where a bunch of boats are
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parked and uh she accepts the invitation of her friend
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greg to uh go sailing so Got a sailing trip
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going on.
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A little R & R. A little fresh sunshine, right?
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Yeah, why not?
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Get the band together here.
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And they're in Florida. It's kind of indicated in the
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beginning the sunshine state or whatever. Goodbye.
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Hope you return. You're leaving the sunshine state.
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It's a big old sign. Filmed in Australia, but the
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movie takes place in Florida. It's kind of fun.
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Don't ask questions. Right.
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But yeah, so she goes to the harbor to go
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sailing and accompanying... Greg is his friend Victor, who's played
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by Liam Hemsworth in his first movie role.
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Yeah, I see that in the credits, and I was like,
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double take?
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What? Right. Yeah, he'd done some TV, I think, before that.
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But this was like his first big movie, I guess.
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And seriously, like, these Hemsworth brothers... they look so much alike.
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Like if you hadn't told me that was Liam, like
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when you said that's Chris Hemsworth, I would be like,
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Oh yeah, there's Chris Hemsworth, the early Chris Hemsworth movie.
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Yeah. Especially, especially in this, um, you know, timeframe, they
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would probably look pretty close to each other.
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Definitely. So like you, like I definitely, if you had
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told me it was Chris Hemsworth, I may not have,
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you may have slipped it past me, this whole movie.
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Right. That's weird, isn't it? Uh, but yeah, so Victor, uh,
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he's kind of the, um, the deckhand, I guess you
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could say, uh, I don't know the sailing term, but.
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Uh, first mate perhaps. Yeah.
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First mate probably.
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Yeah.
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First, first officer or whatever. Yeah. Um, we, we also
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have Heather, um, and then, uh, you know, she's the
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one with the hat, I guess you could say. Um,
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and then there's a couple, um, uh, Downey and Sally.
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Of course, I think Downey, I think you called him.
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A business guy, business guy.
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Yeah. So business guy, uh, And Sally.
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There was also Captain Guy.
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And Captain Guy. Yeah, that's Greg.
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Yep. And then there's Liam Hemsworth. I just kept calling
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him Liam Hemsworth.
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Yeah, obviously Liam Hemsworth is Liam Hemsworth. But basically, Business
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Guy and Sally have brought their friend Heather along to
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introduce to Captain Greg. Because Greg's got a thing for
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Jess and... you know, the girl that we're following right now.
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Yeah, main character.
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Yeah, so they're trying to, you know, trying to get
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him interested in some other stuff, right, some other people.
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Yeah, I believe that's why Heather's here, right? Yeah. You're
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trying to, you know, Sally and business guy, you're trying
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to be like, hey, Greg, hey, Captain.
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Yeah.
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Why don't you look at her? Because there's a conversation.
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I might be jumping the gun a little bit, but
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there's a conversation where Sally's, like, kind of voices openly, like, hey,
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I don't think Jess is any good for.
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Yeah.
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So maybe let's steer him towards Heather.
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Yeah, because right when he's being introduced to Heather, they're like, oh,
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this is Heather and this is Greg. He's like, hey,
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how you doing? He sees Jess coming up. He's like, oh,
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would you excuse me a second? And just goes over
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and is like, hey, what's going on? Right. Just simping
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real hard for her.
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Yeah, definitely get the vibe. Yeah.
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So, yeah, because basically Greg had invited Jess to come
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sailing to uh, with, with them and, you know, bring
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her son Tommy with her. But he's like, uh, he
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goes up to her and he's like, where is he?
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Where's Tommy? And she, she hesitates for a minute and
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she's just looks kind of out of it.
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Yeah. Good old thousand yards there.
486
00:23:30.089 --> 00:23:32.450
Yeah. And she's like, he's at school.
487
00:23:33.950 --> 00:23:37.089
All right. Strange that you had to think about that
488
00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:39.869
for so long, but I know, I guess long day. Yeah.
489
00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:43.470
And then, uh, yeah, we, you know, we start sailing.
490
00:23:43.569 --> 00:23:45.990
I'm like, all right, let's go sailing, you know? They're
491
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:46.839
doing their sailing thing.
492
00:23:47.500 --> 00:23:48.480
As one does.
493
00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.519
As one does. So then the wind starts to die down.
494
00:23:52.539 --> 00:23:56.359
A little strange. Not too bad, though. You're in a sailboat.
495
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:01.579
It happens. But then there's kind of this big storm approaching.
496
00:24:01.900 --> 00:24:06.920
Well, there is a very brief conversation where Liam Hemsworth
497
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.170
talks to Captain, and he's like, well, Captain's like, hey,
498
00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:12.849
whenever I've seen you out there, why did you say
499
00:24:12.930 --> 00:24:15.289
that you don't think Jess is good? and he kind
500
00:24:15.309 --> 00:24:17.349
of relayed that interaction of like, oh, she gave a
501
00:24:17.369 --> 00:24:19.309
thousand yard stare and said that her son was at
502
00:24:19.349 --> 00:24:21.910
school and it's Saturday. What the hell's going on?
503
00:24:21.970 --> 00:24:24.640
And he's like, oh yeah, he's like, it's a special school.
504
00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:24.940
Yeah.
505
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:25.680
Special needs.
506
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:26.819
He goes to school on Saturday.
507
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:28.319
He goes to school every day. He's like, take it
508
00:24:28.339 --> 00:24:28.720
easy on her.
509
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.339
Yeah. So he's like, just relax, dude. Yeah. So, but
510
00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:33.720
you could definitely tell like, yeah, it kind of reinforces
511
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.700
their relationship a little bit. And it also says that, um,
512
00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:39.769
Liam Hemsworth is, you know, he's observant, you know, I
513
00:24:39.789 --> 00:24:42.250
guess he's kind of got his eyes peeled here.
514
00:24:42.269 --> 00:24:42.650
Yeah.
515
00:24:43.150 --> 00:24:43.289
Yeah.
516
00:24:44.829 --> 00:24:48.670
But yeah, they see a strange storm starting to roll
517
00:24:48.710 --> 00:24:49.309
in pretty quick.
518
00:24:49.730 --> 00:24:52.430
Yeah, business guy's like, is that normal? And it's like
519
00:24:52.670 --> 00:24:56.710
this Cthulhu-esque ripple tear in space time. It's not quite
520
00:24:56.730 --> 00:24:58.730
that dramatic, but it's just like this black spot that's
521
00:24:59.650 --> 00:25:01.390
seriously rippling through the sky.
522
00:25:01.490 --> 00:25:02.089
Yeah, it's coming.
523
00:25:02.650 --> 00:25:02.950
Right.
524
00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:03.869
You know, like.
525
00:25:04.470 --> 00:25:07.119
Doc, no, this is not normal. What kind of question
526
00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:07.539
is that?
527
00:25:07.650 --> 00:25:10.700
Right. So Greg goes to the radio to try to
528
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:13.339
get a hold of the Coast Guard. And can't seem
529
00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:16.640
to can't seem to get a hold of anybody. But then.
530
00:25:16.660 --> 00:25:22.769
Sorry, hold on. Yeah. Before the events of all this stuff. No,
531
00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:26.569
Heather wakes up Jess with some champagne and she's like,
532
00:25:26.589 --> 00:25:30.170
that's right. There's like these flickers of just these weird,
533
00:25:30.650 --> 00:25:34.269
seemingly abstract sort of imagery, you know, about just like
534
00:25:34.289 --> 00:25:36.849
herself and some of the others. Um, and it doesn't
535
00:25:36.869 --> 00:25:38.930
really make any sort of sense, but you know, she
536
00:25:38.950 --> 00:25:41.079
kind of wakes up and she tells, uh, Heather, like,
537
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:42.839
Oh dude, I just had the craziest. It was a
538
00:25:42.859 --> 00:25:44.819
terrible dream. And she's like, what was it? And she's like, Oh,
539
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.039
I don't really remember. Um, she's like, you want some champagne?
540
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:50.400
And then she's like, yeah, girl. And then, you know,
541
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:52.059
we kind of move on to the events that we,
542
00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:55.359
we just described. But I do feel like that is,
543
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.859
you know, a moment where you do see her kind
544
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:02.140
of collect herself. And you know, I think that abstract imagery, uh,
545
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:04.819
It gets a little more clear as we move forward
546
00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:05.200
with things.
547
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:07.420
Yeah, I was going to say, I don't remember how
548
00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:11.240
much they show. Well, we're actually watching it right now. So,
549
00:26:11.299 --> 00:26:12.619
I mean, it's kind of right there. Yeah, we see
550
00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:15.630
some crabs on the beach. You know, it looks like
551
00:26:15.670 --> 00:26:21.289
dreamlike imagery, right? Close up of her eye. There's a
552
00:26:21.329 --> 00:26:22.950
beach with water rolling in.
553
00:26:23.730 --> 00:26:25.289
Some clothes washing ashore. Yeah.
554
00:26:25.549 --> 00:26:30.130
Yeah. Um, yeah, it's typical kind of dream type stuff, right?
555
00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:30.950
Yeah. I think, yeah.
556
00:26:31.009 --> 00:26:31.329
Abstract.
557
00:26:31.390 --> 00:26:32.650
I feel is a good word for it.
558
00:26:32.779 --> 00:26:33.059
Yeah.
559
00:26:34.099 --> 00:26:37.420
Um, but yeah, the, uh, so then the storm rolls through. Yeah.
560
00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:38.140
The storm's rolling.
561
00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:38.440
Yeah.
562
00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:41.180
Uh, so they try to reach out to the coast guard.
563
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.859
Can't get ahold of him. Um, but, uh, there's like
564
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:51.059
another communication coming through where, um, I don't know. There's
565
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:55.380
like just some weird static and chatter and stuff going on.
566
00:26:55.940 --> 00:27:00.750
So, Yeah, I would say, like, the guy, what's his face, Captain,
567
00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:04.230
he says, like, he calls it a distress caller, tries
568
00:27:04.269 --> 00:27:06.750
to hail them back and can't get anything. But, yeah,
569
00:27:06.769 --> 00:27:09.000
they definitely sound like there's some sort of panic going on.
570
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.140
He even describes it as a distress caller.
571
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.000
Yeah. Yeah, because isn't it, she's kind of like, he's
572
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.740
killing them or something like that, right? Is this where
573
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.279
we get the creepy message?
574
00:27:19.420 --> 00:27:23.880
Yeah, like, yeah, there's definitely something going aboard wherever this
575
00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:24.420
person is.
576
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:25.299
Right, yeah.
577
00:27:26.349 --> 00:27:29.470
And what's her face? Jess is there and she kind
578
00:27:29.490 --> 00:27:31.670
of overhears a little bit and seems like she's trying
579
00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:33.470
to kind of hone in on the message. Like something's
580
00:27:33.509 --> 00:27:36.910
caught her attention about it. But, you know, no one
581
00:27:36.930 --> 00:27:38.349
gets a hold of the person and it just fades
582
00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:38.809
to static.
583
00:27:38.990 --> 00:27:43.990
Right. But yeah, the storm hits the boat, which capsizes,
584
00:27:44.250 --> 00:27:48.559
tips over and capsizes. It's, you know, everybody's like fighting
585
00:27:48.579 --> 00:27:51.099
for their life at this point. Heather's swept out of
586
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.059
the boat into the water.
587
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.329
Bruce gets her. Yeah.
588
00:27:56.789 --> 00:28:01.599
Yeah. The weather clears up and, you know, the survivors
589
00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:05.720
climb up onto the turned over boat. You know, it's
590
00:28:05.740 --> 00:28:07.319
never a good spot to be in. Right.
591
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.819
Yeah. At this point, like the mast is snapped, sails broken.
592
00:28:10.940 --> 00:28:13.670
Like you're just at the mercy of Poseidon at this point.
593
00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:14.509
Yeah, basically.
594
00:28:14.549 --> 00:28:19.029
Curse you, merciful Poseidon. Yeah. Yeah. God, I can't go
595
00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:22.349
one episode without a Futurama reference. Put the sign back down.
596
00:28:22.369 --> 00:28:24.569
Days without Futurama reference zero.
597
00:28:24.730 --> 00:28:29.990
Days without, yep, zero. Reset the clock. Yep. But yeah,
598
00:28:30.369 --> 00:28:35.019
they're on the upturned boat. And then suddenly this big,
599
00:28:35.690 --> 00:28:39.920
giant fucking cruise ship just floats into view out of
600
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:40.480
the clouds.
601
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:43.880
Right. And it's just like, hell yeah, we're saved. Like,
602
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.400
thought we were dead. Mm-hmm.
603
00:28:46.710 --> 00:28:49.900
Uh, yeah, it's a giant cruise ship. It's, uh, I
604
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.640
think it's called the Aeolus on the side. You can
605
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.000
see the ship name.
606
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.319
Yeah. Uh, yeah, that, that sounds right to me. I
607
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:57.960
don't know if I was, they said it a couple
608
00:28:57.980 --> 00:28:59.980
of times throughout that pronunciation sounds good enough to me.
609
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.890
Yeah. Uh, so yeah, the survivors on the, um, on
610
00:29:03.930 --> 00:29:06.029
the raft at this point, like they're waving their eye.
611
00:29:06.069 --> 00:29:08.250
Cause anybody up there, you know, they see what looks
612
00:29:08.309 --> 00:29:10.990
to be like the shadow of somebody up there. Right.
613
00:29:11.029 --> 00:29:14.829
There's like this gigantic, like, sun flare, you know, sun's
614
00:29:14.869 --> 00:29:15.769
directly behind them.
615
00:29:15.789 --> 00:29:17.369
J.J. Abrams lens flare.
616
00:29:17.410 --> 00:29:21.430
Literally, yeah. He can't really make it out, but I
617
00:29:21.450 --> 00:29:22.769
think they see someone aboard.
618
00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:28.410
Yeah. But yeah, otherwise it looks just kind of empty.
619
00:29:29.150 --> 00:29:32.190
Way too empty for a ship this size, notably.
620
00:29:33.009 --> 00:29:33.569
Ghost boat.
621
00:29:34.150 --> 00:29:37.130
Oh my god, yeah. I was just like getting freaking
622
00:29:37.349 --> 00:29:39.329
ghost ship PTSD vibe. Ugh.
623
00:29:40.450 --> 00:29:42.990
Me and Mitch, dude. Yeah. Yeah, we got to get
624
00:29:43.009 --> 00:29:45.009
him on the show, and you guys got to talk
625
00:29:45.049 --> 00:29:47.359
about ghost ship. That'd be good. Relive some trauma.
626
00:29:47.390 --> 00:29:49.079
Didn't Jim talk about ghost ship with us? I think
627
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:50.980
Jim had a ghost ship encounter as well.
628
00:29:51.019 --> 00:29:52.299
Yeah, I think so, yeah. We could get him on
629
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.920
the show, too. We could just have a ghost ship
630
00:29:55.039 --> 00:30:00.000
survivors group. Yeah. Group therapy session podcast. Yeah, there you go.
631
00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:02.920
We'll do it like every five years or as needed.
632
00:30:03.369 --> 00:30:07.710
As needed. Whatever you guys want, whatever works. We're in
633
00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:08.190
this together.
634
00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:12.789
Right. Except we're going to do the podcast from a
635
00:30:12.809 --> 00:30:13.269
ghost boat.
636
00:30:13.829 --> 00:30:14.289
Oh, God.
637
00:30:14.309 --> 00:30:18.710
Just for authenticity. But yeah, so the survivors, they board
638
00:30:18.750 --> 00:30:22.019
the ship as one does. I mean, you don't have
639
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:23.279
much choice at this point, right?
640
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.220
Yeah, overturn boat. It's either that or Poseidon, right? Mm-hmm.
641
00:30:26.769 --> 00:30:29.730
Yeah. So, uh, yeah, they, they're kind of exploring the ship,
642
00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:33.220
find there's nobody around, uh, nobody in the halls, uh,
643
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:37.339
always kind of look like, like the hotel, the overlook
644
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:37.920
and the shining.
645
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:39.119
Yeah.
646
00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:45.109
Very good. Definitely. Yeah. Just empty, creepy, liminal spaces, right?
647
00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:49.509
A lot of, uh, cruise ship back rooms, Titanic back rooms. Dude.
648
00:30:49.549 --> 00:30:51.029
Yeah. You're nailing with the references here.
649
00:30:51.410 --> 00:30:56.809
So, um, yeah, they're, they're looking around, um, But as
650
00:30:56.829 --> 00:30:59.349
they're kind of going through, like, Jess stops. She's like,
651
00:31:00.089 --> 00:31:03.869
I know this place. Like, I have a funny feeling
652
00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:04.309
about this.
653
00:31:05.029 --> 00:31:05.230
Right?
654
00:31:05.710 --> 00:31:08.970
Mm-hmm. So they're like, what are you talking about? Come on.
655
00:31:09.009 --> 00:31:11.410
There's no way. How would you know about that?
656
00:31:11.730 --> 00:31:16.299
Yeah, everyone is just thinking, like, this girl is, you know,
657
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.480
a little delirious. Whatever it is she's got going on,
658
00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:22.599
she's had a lot of weird stuff. She's been behaving strangely. And, like,
659
00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:25.529
Greg's even... you know, asked her like, Hey, I've never
660
00:31:25.569 --> 00:31:27.819
seen you act like this. Are you good? So like,
661
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.619
they're just kind of chalking up to like, she's just
662
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:31.019
having an episode at this point.
663
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.240
And from their point of view, I mean, um, it
664
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.259
makes it clear that this is like an annual trip
665
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.720
for like the four of them. And like he invited his,
666
00:31:40.490 --> 00:31:44.849
you know, ex or whatever friend, uh, along. And so
667
00:31:44.890 --> 00:31:47.490
you can see how much like that dynamic changed, uh,
668
00:31:48.220 --> 00:31:50.680
especially for them that were probably looking forward to this trip.
669
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.099
And now like, you know, this wheel in it. Yeah.
670
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:58.519
This fifth wheel now, like she, but she's even got more, uh, trouble. Right.
671
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.789
And so like, it's really straining on everyone at this point.
672
00:32:02.069 --> 00:32:02.349
Yes.
673
00:32:02.619 --> 00:32:04.829
Cause now she's saying stuff like I've been here before,
674
00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:06.829
you know, and like, they don't want to listen to that,
675
00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:09.710
but maybe it's worth listening to. I don't know.
676
00:32:10.009 --> 00:32:14.490
It reminds me of a midsummer or midsummer a little bit. where, like,
677
00:32:14.569 --> 00:32:16.809
he's just, you know, the dude brings her out there,
678
00:32:16.849 --> 00:32:18.539
and a lot of the movie kind of circles around
679
00:32:18.579 --> 00:32:21.799
their dynamic, and it feels like, you know, he, like,
680
00:32:22.099 --> 00:32:24.900
their inability to kind of deal with their shit puts
681
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.859
everyone in a bad spot.
682
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.059
Man, I'm long overdue to watch that one again.
683
00:32:29.299 --> 00:32:30.599
I showed that movie to you at the bank. That
684
00:32:30.619 --> 00:32:32.440
was another one where I was just, like, that and
685
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.589
Lighthouse were always just like, I need to earn my cred,
686
00:32:35.660 --> 00:32:37.970
you know, this guy knows I have good taste in horror.
687
00:32:38.750 --> 00:32:42.000
Yeah, well done, yeah. Midsommar is fucking brutal. I loved it.
688
00:32:42.269 --> 00:32:45.059
Dude, yeah, it was the best. blood eagle scene still
689
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.519
is just like nightmare fuel yeah.
690
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.059
Yeah but uh yeah same same kind of feeling right
691
00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:53.019
just some weird stuff going on um just has got
692
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.460
this just eerie sense of deja vu right so they're
693
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.000
uh kind of exploring around the ships and they hear
694
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.140
um they hear noise uh something like metal dropping right
695
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:06.640
what sounds like keys falling.
696
00:33:06.380 --> 00:33:09.440
On the floor distinct someone made a noise in the
697
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.119
hallways What the hell? That wasn't us. We're all together.
698
00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:14.220
If you've ever dropped your keys in the kitchen, it's
699
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.160
that sound, right? Like everybody knows the sound of dropped keys.
700
00:33:17.380 --> 00:33:18.819
Yeah, especially if it's late at night and you're trying
701
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.160
to be quiet. It's just like you'd woke up the
702
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.140
neighbor with that. You son of a bitch.
703
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:29.630
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so they go to investigate that
704
00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:32.549
and they find it's a set of car keys.
705
00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:36.509
And so, uh, I'm just imagining like you drop your keys,
706
00:33:36.529 --> 00:33:39.210
the fucking neighbor wakes up, turns his lights on, like
707
00:33:39.250 --> 00:33:41.329
the neighbor across the street, like then turns his lights on,
708
00:33:41.369 --> 00:33:43.630
the dogs start barking across the street. The next thing
709
00:33:43.650 --> 00:33:45.289
you know, you woke up in the entire fucking neighborhood.
710
00:33:45.309 --> 00:33:46.750
You dropped your keys and you're like.
711
00:33:47.109 --> 00:33:54.599
God, like, yeah, like every like eighties, nineties, there's always
712
00:33:54.630 --> 00:33:56.339
just a dog in the background somewhere.
713
00:33:56.470 --> 00:33:57.880
And then the neighbors have to go outside and start
714
00:33:57.940 --> 00:33:59.920
asking what's going on. And you're just sitting there like,
715
00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:01.519
fuck my life. Yeah.
716
00:34:02.390 --> 00:34:04.470
Somebody comes out. Damn you, Adams.
717
00:34:04.549 --> 00:34:06.710
Yep. And then finally, your wife wakes up like, what's
718
00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.269
all that racket? Yep.
719
00:34:08.670 --> 00:34:11.429
Yep. He's got the old time sleeping caps on. Of course.
720
00:34:11.449 --> 00:34:11.869
Yeah. Yeah.
721
00:34:12.090 --> 00:34:12.309
Yep.
722
00:34:12.449 --> 00:34:13.889
This is a 90s bit after all.
723
00:34:13.909 --> 00:34:15.150
Of course. Yeah.
724
00:34:15.250 --> 00:34:15.309
1890s.
725
00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:19.929
So. But yeah. So they find the car keys. Business guy,
726
00:34:19.949 --> 00:34:21.230
I think, picks them up or something.
727
00:34:21.769 --> 00:34:22.030
No.
728
00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:23.909
Or was it Liam Hemsworth?
729
00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:24.639
Well, no.
730
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:26.400
Because he kind of hands them to Jess.
731
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:27.440
OK. Yeah. That's right.
732
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.659
And she's like, oh, it's just some car keys. Yeah.
733
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:30.480
You're right. I'm sorry. Yeah.
734
00:34:31.460 --> 00:34:33.619
Uh, and she's like, Oh, these are my exact keys.
735
00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:35.489
Yeah. That's why I thought she had found them. Cause
736
00:34:35.510 --> 00:34:37.010
I thought she was like, these are mine. No, I
737
00:34:37.030 --> 00:34:40.750
think you're right. Yeah. He shows them and then she recognizes. Yeah. Yeah.
738
00:34:41.889 --> 00:34:44.769
Um, so yeah, that's weird. Uh, how would, how would
739
00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:47.780
somebody have the same keys that Jess has? That's bizarre.
740
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.320
They think that they're like, Oh, well, Heather survived and
741
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.219
somehow made it aboard. So where is Heather?
742
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.579
It makes sense. Yeah. At this point, because we haven't
743
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:56.900
seen her.
744
00:34:57.099 --> 00:34:59.710
Yeah. Why is she not coming out? She's behaving weird. Right. Right.
745
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.059
Um, but yeah, so they're like, well, we don't, we
746
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.300
don't know what this means. So just keep, keep searching,
747
00:35:06.469 --> 00:35:10.550
keep searching the boat. So, um, so Jess splits up
748
00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:15.949
and then, uh, next thing you know, then she encounters
749
00:35:16.329 --> 00:35:19.250
Liam Hemsworth who's bleeding.
750
00:35:20.110 --> 00:35:22.780
Yeah. Like this guy has like been through a fight
751
00:35:22.820 --> 00:35:25.699
for his life. He's at like one HP at this point.
752
00:35:25.780 --> 00:35:28.980
Like what the hell? He was just fine moments ago.
753
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:30.519
He was just fine moments ago.
754
00:35:30.579 --> 00:35:30.739
Yeah.
755
00:35:31.429 --> 00:35:34.650
Now he's just strangling her. Like, just got her on
756
00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:37.269
the ground just trying to choke the shit out of her.
757
00:35:37.769 --> 00:35:41.150
It reminded me of, like, he's bewitched, Cedric. Yeah, yeah.
758
00:35:41.409 --> 00:35:42.829
Yeah, you were talking about that. It was great.
759
00:35:43.329 --> 00:35:45.989
The exact feeling. Like, he just has that, like, deranged
760
00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:46.750
look in his eye, too.
761
00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:54.039
Yeah. Yeah, so at this point, is this when she
762
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:54.639
gets him?
763
00:35:55.059 --> 00:35:58.980
Oh, I couldn't watch. I couldn't watch it. Yeah, it is. Literally, like,
764
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.489
was not ready for what I saw here. I had
765
00:36:01.530 --> 00:36:02.030
to look away.
766
00:36:02.550 --> 00:36:04.429
Yeah, so I want to stop for just a second
767
00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:09.110
because you went into this movie completely blind. So as
768
00:36:09.150 --> 00:36:11.090
things are starting to ramp up here, what was your
769
00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:13.989
reaction as you're starting to get into this movie?
770
00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:20.380
Well, around the time I had gotten that radio call,
771
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:23.460
I think I was feeling like, okay, I think there
772
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.530
might be a little bit of... Maybe temporal, I think
773
00:36:28.550 --> 00:36:29.329
was the word I used.
774
00:36:29.369 --> 00:36:30.050
Timey-wimey.
775
00:36:30.070 --> 00:36:34.469
Yeah, some timey-wimey stuff afoot here, maybe. And so then
776
00:36:34.489 --> 00:36:35.949
I was like, okay, I was not ready for that.
777
00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:40.940
I had seen Triangle, and my headspace was like, up
778
00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:42.440
until that point, I was like, okay, this is a
779
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.719
Bermuda Triangle movie, and it's going to be this lost
780
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.750
at sea, maybe aliens, maybe something else. I don't know,
781
00:36:50.809 --> 00:36:52.269
some weird Bermuda Triangle.
782
00:36:52.289 --> 00:36:52.710
Right.
783
00:36:53.329 --> 00:36:56.130
Stuff whatever happens there we're gonna explore that um and
784
00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:58.030
i'm not saying this movie isn't that by any means
785
00:36:58.070 --> 00:37:01.980
but um yeah then we got on to this cruise
786
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.260
ship and then she dropped her key and like found
787
00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:07.320
her own keys and i'm like okay we're definitely in
788
00:37:07.340 --> 00:37:10.840
some time space here at this point right and then
789
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.809
um yeah this guy comes out here and just starts
790
00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:16.969
attacking and then i'm like okay and and i i
791
00:37:17.469 --> 00:37:19.110
I don't know if this is exactly whenever I had
792
00:37:19.369 --> 00:37:20.809
voiced this, but I was like, okay, I just want
793
00:37:20.829 --> 00:37:23.449
to know what the parameters are for this time travel
794
00:37:23.489 --> 00:37:26.820
and this sort of... What sort of time stuff are
795
00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:28.659
we dealing with? I want to know the rules at
796
00:37:28.699 --> 00:37:31.480
this point. I was very... I was hooked at that point.
797
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:33.869
Yeah. You wanted to know all the ins and outs.
798
00:37:33.889 --> 00:37:34.789
You wanted all the lore.
799
00:37:34.809 --> 00:37:38.230
Yeah, because like you said earlier... you have to solve
800
00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:40.969
this movie. And I wanted more variables. I wanted to
801
00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:43.010
start getting more of the puzzle pieces to solve all
802
00:37:43.050 --> 00:37:43.429
this stuff.
803
00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:46.269
No, this movie is like an escape room, right? You
804
00:37:46.409 --> 00:37:48.449
just kind of learn how it fits together, you know?
805
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:52.659
Great description, yes. And I was hungry for more at
806
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:53.420
this point. Right.
807
00:37:54.019 --> 00:37:56.320
So at this point now, we have Liam Hemsworth that
808
00:37:56.340 --> 00:38:00.909
comes running out. He's choking her. And how does she.
809
00:38:01.010 --> 00:38:04.030
Manage to subdue him? I couldn't tell you. I have
810
00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:06.590
no idea. He wasn't there for that part.
811
00:38:06.619 --> 00:38:10.050
He's choking her, and so she's grabbing him, trying to
812
00:38:10.070 --> 00:38:13.230
scratch his head or whatever, and then reaches around the
813
00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:16.150
back of his head, and there's a hole in the
814
00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:17.869
back of his head. Literally.
815
00:38:17.989 --> 00:38:20.050
She wallers around and brains him.
816
00:38:20.250 --> 00:38:22.909
Yeah, so she just sticks her finger in there.
817
00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:24.969
I was so not ready for any of that.
818
00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:27.610
No, you didn't anticipate that at all, right?
819
00:38:28.829 --> 00:38:34.420
Listen, folks. I need to... I think I... So, whenever
820
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.380
I was a kid and growing up and stuff like that,
821
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.340
I've been watching horror since knee-high to a grasshopper. You know,
822
00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:40.739
as long as I can remember, I've been watching horror.
823
00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:44.940
Even stuff, you know, rated R. Mm-hmm. But, like, I had,
824
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.239
you know, surgery a handful of years back. And I
825
00:38:47.300 --> 00:38:49.820
think I described it as, like, I looked at the
826
00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.789
abyss and the abyss looked back. So, I'm so much
827
00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:54.449
more squeamish now to stuff like that. And I still
828
00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:56.630
really love horror. Yeah. And I even like watching stuff
829
00:38:56.650 --> 00:38:59.329
like this. But I just get this, like, visceral reaction
830
00:39:00.130 --> 00:39:04.179
to really intense gore like that. Mm-hmm. And especially if
831
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.239
I don't see it coming. Yeah, that just was so
832
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:07.199
out of left field for me.
833
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.199
Which is great. And it makes it the fact that
834
00:39:10.219 --> 00:39:13.380
when we first started talking at the bank and one
835
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.300
of the first movies I lent you was Videodrome.
836
00:39:15.489 --> 00:39:15.969
Oh, my God.
837
00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:17.449
It just makes it so much better because I didn't
838
00:39:17.489 --> 00:39:18.969
know that.
839
00:39:18.469 --> 00:39:19.590
At the time.
840
00:39:19.610 --> 00:39:22.050
I was like, here, check this out. It's a good movie. Literally.
841
00:39:22.369 --> 00:39:25.170
Body horror, just pulling shit out of stomachs and stuff.
842
00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:29.090
Yeah, and I had like ilectomy, appendectomy, so I had
843
00:39:29.130 --> 00:39:32.130
like big old cuts. down my, you know, belly, and that's, like,
844
00:39:32.190 --> 00:39:33.849
where all that stuff happens in that movie, and just
845
00:39:34.289 --> 00:39:35.769
hyper-specific gore for that.
846
00:39:35.969 --> 00:39:36.789
And I had no idea.
847
00:39:37.309 --> 00:39:37.530
Right.
848
00:39:37.789 --> 00:39:38.389
Yeah.
849
00:39:38.449 --> 00:39:39.219
One way to find out.
850
00:39:39.510 --> 00:39:43.989
Right, yeah. So, yeah, she presses the off switch on
851
00:39:44.539 --> 00:39:46.679
Liam Hemsworth there. Just.
852
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.289
Jesus. Yep. The only way to phrase it.
853
00:39:50.420 --> 00:39:53.000
It's the only way to phrase it. Um, and then
854
00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:57.699
you hear, uh, she hears a gunshot runs off, uh,
855
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.969
finds herself in the, in the theater of the ship.
856
00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:03.849
Yeah. Am I jumping ahead a little bit to say
857
00:40:03.909 --> 00:40:06.510
that there was a message on the mirror that led
858
00:40:06.610 --> 00:40:08.250
them to the theater?
859
00:40:08.690 --> 00:40:10.110
Um, I think we find that out a little bit
860
00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:13.320
later or something, or maybe, maybe they did at this point. Yeah.
861
00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:16.349
Um, Like, there's just, like, in red.
862
00:40:16.409 --> 00:40:17.860
Yeah, like, go to theater.
863
00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:20.739
Almost like red. Oh, yeah, because they go into room.
864
00:40:20.860 --> 00:40:22.260
Yeah, it was room 237.
865
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.920
Yes. And then they see on the mirror, like, the
866
00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:27.739
blood red rum type of message.
867
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:28.360
Yeah, because you knew.
868
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:29.019
It says go to theater.
869
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.070
As soon as you saw that, you're like, oh, yeah, okay,
870
00:40:31.090 --> 00:40:32.610
I know. I understood that reference.
871
00:40:32.630 --> 00:40:34.309
I looked away. I think I was taking a drink.
872
00:40:34.409 --> 00:40:36.190
And then you were like, you went back and you're like,
873
00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:36.969
did you see the room number?
874
00:40:37.050 --> 00:40:37.230
Yeah.
875
00:40:37.269 --> 00:40:38.869
And, like, you didn't tell me what it was. No.
876
00:40:38.929 --> 00:40:41.369
I'm glad you let me see it for myself. So,
877
00:40:41.429 --> 00:40:42.010
appreciate that.
878
00:40:42.190 --> 00:40:44.300
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, if you say room number,
879
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:46.579
like it's gotta be the shining, right? Like that's just
880
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:47.179
one of those things.
881
00:40:47.739 --> 00:40:50.360
Oh, I've won. Did they show that in the beginning
882
00:40:50.539 --> 00:40:50.900
as well?
883
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.619
Did we miss that in the, Oh, the two 37 address? Yeah.
884
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:55.159
The house number.
885
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:56.539
I don't remember. I have to look.
886
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.059
Yeah. I think, I think they did.
887
00:40:58.119 --> 00:40:58.340
Yeah.
888
00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:00.480
So her house number, I.
889
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:03.059
Mean, really we'll have to go back, find out how
890
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:03.420
do we know?
891
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.659
So, well, yeah, I don't know. I'll, I'll, I'll try
892
00:41:07.699 --> 00:41:11.550
to go back into the gray matter. Yeah. Just, you know,
893
00:41:11.780 --> 00:41:14.340
Press the on switch. As soon as I said it,
894
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:15.090
I was like, why?
895
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.630
But anyway, yeah, so she goes in running into the
896
00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:26.230
theater and finds, after hearing the gunshot, finds Greg laying there.
897
00:41:26.309 --> 00:41:33.389
He's been shot. And Sally and business guy are like,
898
00:41:33.510 --> 00:41:35.650
they said you shot him. They said you killed him. Like,
899
00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:38.739
what the fuck? What's going on? And she's like, no,
900
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.659
I didn't kill him. I just literally just got here.
901
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.940
For real. And right as she's trying to explain, some
902
00:41:44.019 --> 00:41:49.530
more gunshots ring out. Sally and business guy are both killed. Damn.
903
00:41:49.849 --> 00:41:51.409
That's pretty brutal. It's a brutal scene.
904
00:41:51.429 --> 00:41:56.630
They're literally gunned down by some mystery shooter and some, like,
905
00:41:56.989 --> 00:41:59.539
hooded sort of something. You can't make out who it is.
906
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:03.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very much... It's got that.
907
00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:06.449
Friday the 13th part two.
908
00:42:06.469 --> 00:42:08.130
I was going to say, I thought it was like
909
00:42:08.170 --> 00:42:10.070
three or I can remember what, what number it was,
910
00:42:10.110 --> 00:42:11.230
but yeah, I have the same.
911
00:42:11.329 --> 00:42:15.420
Dark night of the scarecrow or, um, town that dreaded sundown.
912
00:42:15.460 --> 00:42:18.699
It's like that kind of like baggy headed kind of
913
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:19.860
mask and jumpsuit.
914
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:20.260
Right.
915
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:22.360
It's good. Exactly.
916
00:42:22.460 --> 00:42:24.340
Or the, uh, Friday the 13th remake.
917
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:25.489
Oh yeah.
918
00:42:25.550 --> 00:42:25.679
Yeah.
919
00:42:25.699 --> 00:42:25.849
Yeah.
920
00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:26.250
Yeah.
921
00:42:26.289 --> 00:42:27.030
Remakes good too.
922
00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:27.250
Yeah.
923
00:42:28.469 --> 00:42:30.949
Um, but yeah, just kind of, you just see him
924
00:42:30.969 --> 00:42:33.730
for like a second, like somebody who's up there, uh,
925
00:42:33.949 --> 00:42:37.860
firing from the balcony. Right. So, um, that's pretty messed up.
926
00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:40.559
There's somebody else on this boat and they're picking people off.
927
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.539
Exactly. Yeah. And only just made it out of that. Yeah.
928
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:46.460
I mean, frigging captain's dead. Down.
929
00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:46.920
He's dead.
930
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:48.070
Sally's dead. Yeah.
931
00:42:48.530 --> 00:42:53.250
Bad matchup. Yeah, pretty much. Uh, so just runs out.
932
00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:57.030
And Liam Hemsworth is dead. She killed him though. Yep.
933
00:42:57.070 --> 00:42:57.469
Basically.
934
00:42:57.489 --> 00:42:57.650
Yeah.
935
00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:02.619
Um, So at this point then, uh, she, she runs
936
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.079
off and she gets kind of hit in the back
937
00:43:06.099 --> 00:43:08.320
of the head by the, uh, the dude in the
938
00:43:08.539 --> 00:43:13.210
burlap sack. And he's kind of, you know, confronting her
939
00:43:13.309 --> 00:43:15.829
and it's, she's like laying on the ground, backing away. Um,
940
00:43:16.650 --> 00:43:18.750
you know, he tries to shoot at her and she
941
00:43:18.789 --> 00:43:23.699
dodges the, the shotgun blast and like rolls down into the, uh,
942
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.760
like the lower level of the, the boat right there. Yeah.
943
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:28.960
I've, there's a lot of chatter that happens at this
944
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:31.420
like moment while she's like scurrying away. But I think
945
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:36.559
if I recall correctly, she mentions like, no, please don't shoot.
946
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.510
I have a son. And that like gives her, that
947
00:43:39.550 --> 00:43:42.449
causes the killer to pause for just a moment. And
948
00:43:42.469 --> 00:43:46.090
then she like grabs the double barrel and like wrestles
949
00:43:46.150 --> 00:43:48.170
with it until both shots are fired out and gives
950
00:43:48.190 --> 00:43:49.190
her the moment to slip away.
951
00:43:49.369 --> 00:43:53.010
Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, a little bit later, the, uh,
952
00:43:54.550 --> 00:43:56.829
she's on the lower level and then, uh, catches up
953
00:43:56.849 --> 00:44:01.070
with the, the masked, uh, the killer killer again. And, uh,
954
00:44:01.449 --> 00:44:03.550
they're like out on the, like the back of the
955
00:44:03.590 --> 00:44:07.300
boat or whatever. And, uh, they're, they're kind of fighting
956
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.619
back and forth and the, the masked, uh, guys like
957
00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:15.079
trying to say something, but you can't really, it's like
958
00:44:15.139 --> 00:44:15.760
super muffled.
959
00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:17.480
Yeah. I cannot make it out at all.
960
00:44:17.659 --> 00:44:22.389
Right. Um, so then she basically just, just kind of like,
961
00:44:22.969 --> 00:44:25.289
She grabbed like a fire axe beforehand.
962
00:44:26.530 --> 00:44:26.730
Yeah.
963
00:44:26.750 --> 00:44:28.750
Like on the side of the, you know, like the
964
00:44:28.829 --> 00:44:30.110
emergency axe or whatever.
965
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.559
Yeah. While she was running away, the killer like literally
966
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.320
like I think he said pressed L2 and like threw
967
00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:36.599
the shotgun.
968
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.400
When you have no ammo left, you just throw the gun.
969
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:38.940
Yeah.
970
00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:39.989
Free the inventory space.
971
00:44:40.219 --> 00:44:43.269
Then while, you know, they knew the killer was unarmed
972
00:44:43.309 --> 00:44:45.889
in that fashion at the very least. Jess had, like,
973
00:44:45.909 --> 00:44:49.010
grabbed a fire axe and was, like, ready to melee battle.
974
00:44:49.309 --> 00:44:51.940
You know, like, old-timey-saddle-this-the-old-fashioned-way, you know?
975
00:44:51.949 --> 00:44:53.900
Hey, if you're out of ammo, you got to use
976
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.179
the melee weapon. I mean, that works in Silent Hill, so.
977
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:57.400
Absolutely, dude.
978
00:44:57.460 --> 00:44:57.940
Yes.
979
00:44:58.099 --> 00:45:00.599
So that's the way this fight was going, but then
980
00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:04.440
the killer had gotten some sort of, like, iron bar
981
00:45:04.460 --> 00:45:06.340
or something that, like, duked it out for a minute.
982
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.219
Yeah, yeah. And so you can't really hear what the
983
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.659
muffled person's saying, but then it just kind of fakes
984
00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:16.699
him out. swings the axe, and the dude just pitches
985
00:45:16.739 --> 00:45:19.639
over the side of the boat, falls into the ocean.
986
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:26.179
Yeah, like, huh. A little anticlimactic in that moment.
987
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.219
Yeah, you would think so if you're expecting a traditional
988
00:45:30.909 --> 00:45:33.010
slasher-type picture. Yeah. Right?
989
00:45:33.230 --> 00:45:35.369
And I was, too, because I literally was like, never
990
00:45:35.389 --> 00:45:36.829
going to find out who the fuck that was. I
991
00:45:36.829 --> 00:45:38.690
was a little disappointed. Yeah.
992
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.820
Imagine if it was just like some rando and you
993
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:44.530
never heard about that ever again in the movie. Like,
994
00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:45.650
what the fuck was that all about?
995
00:45:46.550 --> 00:45:47.829
Had to fill up runtime, maybe.
996
00:45:47.869 --> 00:45:51.010
Right, yeah. Well, we shot this other movie and we
997
00:45:51.070 --> 00:45:52.929
ran out of footage, so we just added some more
998
00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:59.079
on the back end. We used to do that. Jackpot. Yeah, basically, yeah.
999
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.739
But yeah, so with everyone kind of like seemingly dead
1000
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.280
at this point, like you said, and no idea who
1001
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:07.699
the masked person was, of course.
1002
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:08.619
Woo!
1003
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:15.110
Yeah. So Jess goes to just, you know, like a
1004
00:46:15.150 --> 00:46:18.389
random cabin on the ship just to, you know, kind
1005
00:46:18.409 --> 00:46:22.809
of get some rest or whatever. But then like within
1006
00:46:22.849 --> 00:46:26.829
a few minutes, just like, here's like yelling from off
1007
00:46:26.869 --> 00:46:31.170
the boat, like, you know, just a little bit farther out.
1008
00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:35.409
So that's kind of weird. So she looks out and
1009
00:46:35.429 --> 00:46:38.449
over the edge, and it was pretty shocked to see, uh,
1010
00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:43.409
here comes the overturned boat from the beginning, uh, with everyone, uh,
1011
00:46:44.650 --> 00:46:47.179
even herself on there calling to be rescued.
1012
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:48.920
Oh shit.
1013
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:52.500
So, uh, so that's pretty messed up.
1014
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.219
Yep. So there's definitely, like we said, timey wimey stuff
1015
00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:57.219
is certainly a foot.
1016
00:46:59.619 --> 00:47:03.050
So at this point, um, you know, this is where
1017
00:47:03.090 --> 00:47:06.719
the movie really starts to, um, to get moving as
1018
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:09.940
far as crazy stuff that's happening. So I would say
1019
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.519
at this point, if you're, if you're intrigued by what
1020
00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:15.619
you've heard so far and you want to see the
1021
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:18.849
movie on your own, I would say pause this podcast
1022
00:47:18.889 --> 00:47:19.429
right about here.
1023
00:47:19.449 --> 00:47:21.590
Oh yeah.
1024
00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:25.869
Stop right here and watch it and then come back. And, uh,
1025
00:47:26.429 --> 00:47:29.380
cause I want to go through, you know, just like
1026
00:47:29.409 --> 00:47:32.090
this stuff, a little bit surface level. So there'll be
1027
00:47:32.110 --> 00:47:34.130
some spoilers there. So this is one of those movies,
1028
00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:36.769
like normally I don't really mind spoilers, but something like this,
1029
00:47:36.809 --> 00:47:39.469
like it's fun to experience it for the first time, um,
1030
00:47:40.969 --> 00:47:43.829
without knowing much. So if that's just enough to get
1031
00:47:43.849 --> 00:47:45.840
you hooked, then, um, check it out.
1032
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.699
But yeah, this is a movie that is best experienced,
1033
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.659
you know, like that's, there's some movies, like you said,
1034
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.500
spoilers don't matter a ton, you know, like, I don't
1035
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:58.920
think a spoiler will ruin a great movie, but, you know,
1036
00:47:58.940 --> 00:48:02.590
this movie is definitely, I'm going to go back to
1037
00:48:02.610 --> 00:48:04.389
that term. It's way more fun to solve.
1038
00:48:04.670 --> 00:48:05.130
Yeah.
1039
00:48:05.289 --> 00:48:07.210
Kind of like think through it yourself a little bit.
1040
00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:11.150
At least give it an honest try. Yeah.
1041
00:48:11.409 --> 00:48:13.289
So hopefully you've done that at this point.
1042
00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:14.630
And welcome back.
1043
00:48:14.670 --> 00:48:20.980
Welcome back. So at this point where Jess is seeing
1044
00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:24.579
herself come in on the boat, And she was the
1045
00:48:24.860 --> 00:48:26.659
silhouette that was up there that they were looking at
1046
00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:28.079
that disappeared, right?
1047
00:48:28.340 --> 00:48:29.500
Oh, yeah.
1048
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:32.300
She started to realize that she's trapped in some sort
1049
00:48:32.380 --> 00:48:33.920
of like timey-wimey thing.
1050
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:34.699
Shit.
1051
00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:41.619
Right? So the ship also seems to kind of have
1052
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:47.019
certain areas that seem like they've, you know, certain things
1053
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:51.389
have happened there multiple times. Because at this point is
1054
00:48:51.429 --> 00:48:55.440
when she finds a locket. Remember that's like hanging down
1055
00:48:55.460 --> 00:48:58.239
by the grate on the floor and she's looking at
1056
00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.260
the locket and it's got a picture of her and
1057
00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:04.219
her son in there, but then she drops it and
1058
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:06.820
it falls down and there's like a bunch of them
1059
00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:09.170
down there. Yeah. Yeah.
1060
00:49:09.489 --> 00:49:12.010
There's a, some recursion happening. Yeah.
1061
00:49:12.070 --> 00:49:13.789
So what was your, what was your thoughts when you
1062
00:49:13.829 --> 00:49:15.670
started to see this stuff start to happen? Cause you'd
1063
00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:17.170
already kind of started to figure it out, right?
1064
00:49:17.570 --> 00:49:19.309
Yeah. I do feel like I was slightly ahead of
1065
00:49:19.329 --> 00:49:21.050
the curve. I mean, i don't want to like i
1066
00:49:22.150 --> 00:49:25.530
mean that's not uh i think they gave plenty of
1067
00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:28.300
clues to get anyone there and that my intent for
1068
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.619
tonight is to just watch super intently so like anyone
1069
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:32.559
could have given that much focus on it but yeah
1070
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.900
um yeah at this point i was uh super intrigued
1071
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.460
like okay well how do we how do we get
1072
00:49:40.539 --> 00:49:43.260
out of this you know how do we like where
1073
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.139
is the good ending at this point I guess is
1074
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.670
where my thoughts are yeah this is.
1075
00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:52.730
Why I like stuff like this where you know there's
1076
00:49:52.769 --> 00:49:57.329
like loops happening right there's an episode of Star Trek
1077
00:49:57.349 --> 00:50:00.849
the next generation called cause and effect that's one of
1078
00:50:00.889 --> 00:50:03.909
my favorites and it's the same thing where the crew
1079
00:50:03.929 --> 00:50:08.070
of the Enterprise keeps experiencing the same issue of the
1080
00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:10.829
ship coming out of a wormhole, and they make emergency
1081
00:50:11.769 --> 00:50:15.150
maneuvers and ended up blowing up, and they just get
1082
00:50:15.190 --> 00:50:17.210
caught in this loop where they just keep repeating these
1083
00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:20.289
same actions, which is kind of cool.
1084
00:50:20.429 --> 00:50:20.969
How did they get out?
1085
00:50:23.829 --> 00:50:30.449
Basically, at that point, later on, Data realizes that they've
1086
00:50:30.949 --> 00:50:34.170
been doing the same things before, so they start doing
1087
00:50:34.230 --> 00:50:35.750
different things to alter the pattern.
1088
00:50:36.809 --> 00:50:39.530
Oh, he has that Dormammu, I've come to bargain type
1089
00:50:39.570 --> 00:50:39.949
of moment.
1090
00:50:40.150 --> 00:50:43.590
Kind of, yeah. Yeah. So it's cool. Yeah, it's a
1091
00:50:43.610 --> 00:50:49.780
cool episode. And then Kelsey Grammer is in the episode. Basically,
1092
00:50:49.820 --> 00:50:52.500
it's a ship that went through a wormhole like 200
1093
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:56.380
years ago. And so he's wearing the old style uniforms.
1094
00:50:56.539 --> 00:50:59.690
And it's like, oh, yeah, it's 200 years later. And
1095
00:50:59.710 --> 00:51:01.409
it's like, OK. And then that's like the end of
1096
00:51:01.429 --> 00:51:03.809
the episode. So the ending is kind of weak, but
1097
00:51:04.690 --> 00:51:05.590
the concept is solid.
1098
00:51:06.170 --> 00:51:09.590
I feel like the Planet Express Moby Dick crossover one
1099
00:51:09.630 --> 00:51:11.710
is maybe riffing on that a little bit. Yeah. Because
1100
00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:14.590
there's that time traveling 40 whale that they're both after.
1101
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:15.659
Yeah, exactly.
1102
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.800
I see the OG crew with the old time shit. Yep.
1103
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.500
Same kind of thing, right? That's fun.
1104
00:51:21.099 --> 00:51:21.300
Yeah.
1105
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.940
So, I mean, this movie is kind of... It's the
1106
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.920
same vibe, right? Just, you know, she finds the locket.
1107
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.559
And then there's, you know, there's a bunch of them
1108
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:40.389
down there. And then... There's also, uh, where she's chasing
1109
00:51:40.489 --> 00:51:45.739
Sally after Sally has been shot. Remember? And, uh, cause
1110
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.719
things are happening differently now, you know, now that Jess
1111
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.039
is on the boat and trying to like, there's another
1112
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:51.739
Jess coming in.
1113
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:53.340
Yes.
1114
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:54.460
This is where it gets weird.
1115
00:51:54.739 --> 00:51:56.920
Yeah. I'm trying to like think about, I don't want
1116
00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:59.159
to like say, Oh, this happens and like jump ahead
1117
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.260
way too much and give away critical piece of information.
1118
00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:05.190
Yeah. But, um, No, this is kind of where it
1119
00:52:05.210 --> 00:52:07.010
starts to reveal itself, right?
1120
00:52:09.429 --> 00:52:12.900
I remember she, at some point when they're kind of
1121
00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:16.980
making their way through, she drops the keys and realizes,
1122
00:52:17.099 --> 00:52:20.099
oh man, it's me. That's it. I kind of do that.
1123
00:52:20.139 --> 00:52:23.199
And then she tries to, as the person darts off
1124
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:28.260
and runs after the person, Liam Hemsworth darts off and
1125
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.199
runs after a person. She pulls him aside. He's like,
1126
00:52:31.300 --> 00:52:32.639
oh shit, how did you get up here so fast?
1127
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:34.800
Not realizing there's two of them. And then she has
1128
00:52:34.889 --> 00:52:37.550
a conversation with him, and I think that's at this point.
1129
00:52:38.030 --> 00:52:40.070
Yeah, that's the point that I was missing.
1130
00:52:40.289 --> 00:52:44.829
Yeah. Yeah, and that's where things diverge a little bit. Yeah.
1131
00:52:44.969 --> 00:52:47.230
So how does that conversation go? Oh, my God.
1132
00:52:48.010 --> 00:52:51.230
Yeah, because that's when he comes around the corner, and
1133
00:52:51.289 --> 00:52:53.780
he's like, how'd you get here so fast or whatever?
1134
00:52:53.900 --> 00:52:54.280
Uh-huh.
1135
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:59.400
And she's like, no, you're dead. You're in that room
1136
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.039
over there. You're lying up there dead.
1137
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:03.380
She's talking about when she off-buttoned him.
1138
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.219
Yeah. He's like, okay, I'm going to pretend that we
1139
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.739
didn't have this conversation, so, you know, just forget about
1140
00:53:10.780 --> 00:53:11.460
it kind of thing.
1141
00:53:12.019 --> 00:53:13.420
I hated how this unfolded.
1142
00:53:13.820 --> 00:53:16.090
And then, yeah, what does she do at this point?
1143
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.610
She still presses him to try to, you know, get
1144
00:53:20.670 --> 00:53:24.329
him to believe her. And you saw it coming, and
1145
00:53:24.369 --> 00:53:27.809
then right away it happens where she, like, pushes him
1146
00:53:27.829 --> 00:53:28.579
back on like a.
1147
00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:32.289
Yeah, she literally is basically like, this guy is not
1148
00:53:32.349 --> 00:53:35.150
believing her. She's almost blue in the face, like, dude,
1149
00:53:35.349 --> 00:53:38.050
weird shit is happening. Like, I've seen you die. Like,
1150
00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:40.579
you have to... And she literally grabs him by the
1151
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.079
head to be like, dummy, listen to me. Like, I'm so...
1152
00:53:43.780 --> 00:53:46.019
I'm serious, it's a heart attack. But while she's grabbing
1153
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.360
his head and basically telling him, like, listen to me,
1154
00:53:48.889 --> 00:53:52.630
she walks him backwards into this... spiky hole like a
1155
00:53:52.650 --> 00:53:55.050
spiky thing shooting out the side where you might put
1156
00:53:55.070 --> 00:53:56.530
a life jacket or something.
1157
00:53:56.409 --> 00:53:59.010
Yeah some kind of like a hook or something.
1158
00:53:58.789 --> 00:54:00.789
Yeah but it looks like it's jagged and broken off
1159
00:54:00.809 --> 00:54:02.969
so it's like yeah like a pipe that's way too
1160
00:54:03.030 --> 00:54:05.230
sharp that was no longer useful as a hook or
1161
00:54:05.269 --> 00:54:07.869
something along those lines right yeah just literally walked them
1162
00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:10.969
right back into it and that's where the off button
1163
00:54:11.139 --> 00:54:14.119
access that's where the off button is right yeah it
1164
00:54:14.179 --> 00:54:16.320
showed up and oh my god i cannot believe that
1165
00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:18.519
happened because i was like thinking in the back of
1166
00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:20.429
my mind, I realized she's in a movie and I've
1167
00:54:20.469 --> 00:54:22.429
seen this stuff, you know, and I've seen her do
1168
00:54:22.469 --> 00:54:25.130
the off button and I can see the freaking spiky
1169
00:54:25.190 --> 00:54:27.849
things behind him. And I'm like, no, don't do it.
1170
00:54:28.150 --> 00:54:29.869
Like, and it happens so fast.
1171
00:54:30.630 --> 00:54:32.780
This is my final destination moment where I'm trying to
1172
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:35.280
like do the premonition and stop death.
1173
00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:36.619
Yeah.
1174
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:37.760
Yeah.
1175
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:41.260
So, uh, yeah, he, he kind of gets brained, I
1176
00:54:41.300 --> 00:54:41.880
guess right there.
1177
00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:44.190
You could say, Oh yeah, I hate it.
1178
00:54:44.619 --> 00:54:49.989
Which coincidentally, that's also why, um, uh, you ever, you
1179
00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:52.530
ever noticed like a lot of places don't have hooks
1180
00:54:52.869 --> 00:54:56.570
on walls, like hotels and stuff like that. Um, you know,
1181
00:54:56.690 --> 00:54:59.110
they don't have that because you don't want somebody impaling
1182
00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:02.500
themselves on the, on the wall somewhere. Yeah.
1183
00:55:02.619 --> 00:55:03.539
I have noticed that.
1184
00:55:03.699 --> 00:55:04.179
Isn't it weird?
1185
00:55:04.420 --> 00:55:07.940
Yeah. Everyone that saw that 2000 remake of Texas Chainsaw,
1186
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.159
that scene lives rent free in my brain where he
1187
00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:13.940
like dumps the salt on all them. Like people hanging up.
1188
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.849
Like, Or there was a movie I think in the
1189
00:55:16.889 --> 00:55:21.849
late 90s called Very Bad Things with Christian Slater, I think,
1190
00:55:21.909 --> 00:55:23.570
and some other people. It was like a bachelor party.
1191
00:55:23.590 --> 00:55:26.570
It was like a hangover movie, but if it was
1192
00:55:26.630 --> 00:55:31.159
like dark, way, way darker because like the beginning they
1193
00:55:32.420 --> 00:55:35.539
have a stripper for like the bachelor party and they
1194
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.079
end up killing the stripper by like impaling her head
1195
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.320
on like a, oh my God, you know, same kind
1196
00:55:40.340 --> 00:55:40.940
of thing like this.
1197
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.460
Yeah, you've got to get rid of these hooks, dude.
1198
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:44.300
Right.
1199
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:45.579
OSHA says no.
1200
00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:49.449
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so that's why you don't see those
1201
00:55:49.489 --> 00:55:50.769
kind of things. But anyway.
1202
00:55:51.150 --> 00:55:51.909
Method actors, dude.
1203
00:55:52.150 --> 00:55:54.750
Method actors all the way. Yeah, they can only do
1204
00:55:54.889 --> 00:55:58.130
one take, actually, with Liam Hemsworth in this scene. So
1205
00:55:59.070 --> 00:56:02.260
that's why, actually, after this movie, Chris Hemsworth just played
1206
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.280
him in all of his roles. But they kept the
1207
00:56:04.340 --> 00:56:06.480
name going, so he gets two paychecks.
1208
00:56:06.820 --> 00:56:09.239
Maybe all the other Hemsworth brothers are just like clones
1209
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:10.559
of the original Hemsworth.
1210
00:56:10.989 --> 00:56:13.329
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I think there's somewhere, there's
1211
00:56:13.369 --> 00:56:16.010
just like a room that's just like a pile of Hemsworth,
1212
00:56:16.130 --> 00:56:18.440
just like the broken ones.
1213
00:56:18.940 --> 00:56:20.619
Do you think we're ever going to meet Hemsworth Prime?
1214
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:26.039
I don't know. If he does, he's probably like old
1215
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.340
with a long white beard, kind of like some weird
1216
00:56:29.610 --> 00:56:30.710
guy running the Matrix kind of thing.
1217
00:56:30.730 --> 00:56:32.769
Yeah, I was going to say the architect. Yeah. He's
1218
00:56:32.809 --> 00:56:34.289
the guy with all the screens around him. That's where
1219
00:56:34.309 --> 00:56:35.610
I was heading to, definitely.
1220
00:56:35.630 --> 00:56:36.320
I like it.
1221
00:56:36.570 --> 00:56:38.809
Yeah. Or he's going to be like Dr. Manhattan. Yeah.
1222
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.480
just like omnipotent for some.
1223
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:47.320
Reason, just sitting on the moon pondering, right. You know, but, uh, yeah,
1224
00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:47.699
I don't know.
1225
00:56:48.059 --> 00:56:51.679
Think about how, how much pants you're not wearing ever. Right. Yeah.
1226
00:56:52.099 --> 00:56:55.570
Just a bunch of Liam Hemsworth just sitting there, but, uh,
1227
00:56:55.610 --> 00:56:58.829
you know, whatever. Um, yeah. So this is where like
1228
00:56:58.849 --> 00:57:01.349
shit really starts going, uh, downhill at this point.
1229
00:57:01.389 --> 00:57:06.119
Right. Um, Yeah, she realizes she can break the loop
1230
00:57:06.139 --> 00:57:10.079
at this point, though, because she pulls What's-His-Face aside from
1231
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:14.239
going back to the group. And at this point, she's like, God,
1232
00:57:15.590 --> 00:57:17.769
I'm so sorry if I'm jumping ahead. No, you're fine.
1233
00:57:17.809 --> 00:57:21.750
But she has found the security officer's wing or whatever.
1234
00:57:21.829 --> 00:57:25.989
She's armed herself with that double barrel. Actually, there's a
1235
00:57:26.010 --> 00:57:28.119
ton of them in this closet, so she just grabbed
1236
00:57:28.179 --> 00:57:32.469
one of them. And she's told... Liam Hemsworth, like, hey,
1237
00:57:32.510 --> 00:57:34.389
I'm not going to shoot you. I'm just trying to
1238
00:57:35.349 --> 00:57:37.070
get you to, like, believe me. And then she, like,
1239
00:57:37.309 --> 00:57:41.230
reveals herself to the other self. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. And,
1240
00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:45.639
you know, she, like, doesn't, like, that doesn't really go
1241
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.639
over very well. She's, like, obviously a conversation of gunpoint stock,
1242
00:57:48.820 --> 00:57:49.179
I guess.
1243
00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:52.679
Well, that's a crazy scene, too, because, yeah, because she
1244
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:56.519
runs up and confronts herself in the, I guess, I
1245
00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:00.000
don't know what you call it, like, just the dining area.
1246
00:58:00.019 --> 00:58:00.480
Yeah. Yeah.
1247
00:58:01.489 --> 00:58:03.449
And you think that she's going to shoot her, you know,
1248
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.989
like she, maybe that's, you know, maybe that's what she's
1249
00:58:07.010 --> 00:58:08.090
thinking about doing. I don't know.
1250
00:58:10.530 --> 00:58:11.989
No, but then she's like, I'm pretty sure that she
1251
00:58:12.010 --> 00:58:15.690
like runs away. Right. And then when, yeah. Cause Oh,
1252
00:58:15.829 --> 00:58:18.449
I forgot. There is a moment where she also in
1253
00:58:18.489 --> 00:58:21.610
that security wing, she finds messages that says, yeah.
1254
00:58:22.150 --> 00:58:27.559
Uh, what is it? Kill them all. Um, and, uh,
1255
00:58:28.579 --> 00:58:30.360
You got to stop them. You got to stop it
1256
00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:31.820
by killing them all or something like that.
1257
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:32.539
Yeah.
1258
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:33.920
Something.
1259
00:58:33.980 --> 00:58:35.090
Don't let them board.
1260
00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:37.489
Oh yeah. Yeah. Kill them all. Don't let them board.
1261
00:58:37.829 --> 00:58:38.050
Yeah.
1262
00:58:38.070 --> 00:58:38.650
I think so.
1263
00:58:38.849 --> 00:58:39.090
Yeah.
1264
00:58:39.309 --> 00:58:39.769
Yeah.
1265
00:58:39.989 --> 00:58:41.130
Effectively that. Yeah.
1266
00:58:41.590 --> 00:58:45.210
And there's tons of copies of notes just written there. Yes.
1267
00:58:45.889 --> 00:58:49.179
Wait, does God, I'm trying to remember what happens during
1268
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.880
their confrontation. We might have to review that scene again,
1269
00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:54.559
but I think doesn't Liam Hemsworth come out and like,
1270
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:57.059
cause he's waiting in the wings or something like that
1271
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:02.679
at that point. Yeah, like in the kitchen. Not the kitchen,
1272
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:05.179
the dining area whenever she's confronting herself again.
1273
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.849
That's later, I think. At that point, yeah. um maybe
1274
00:59:10.869 --> 00:59:12.530
i don't know it gets a little tricky at this
1275
00:59:12.570 --> 00:59:15.949
point to to go back and recap because it's like
1276
00:59:16.110 --> 00:59:17.610
okay wait when did this happen.
1277
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.840
Yeah i'm trying to be very delicate about when we're introducing.
1278
00:59:20.420 --> 00:59:22.800
Yeah we're just fine yeah it's fine um but at
1279
00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:23.280
this point she.
1280
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.340
Does have like that goal in mind of she has
1281
00:59:26.380 --> 00:59:27.719
that like i guess the in the back of her
1282
00:59:27.739 --> 00:59:30.360
mind like kill them all. Don't let them board.
1283
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:30.900
Like, right.
1284
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.820
And she did like a handwriting comparison. She like, there
1285
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:37.099
was like a note was drawn out everywhere. So she
1286
00:59:37.340 --> 00:59:38.969
just to make sure she's like crazy, she wrote it
1287
00:59:38.989 --> 00:59:40.239
and it's exactly in her handwriting.
1288
00:59:40.260 --> 00:59:42.730
I like that. I like that idea of if you
1289
00:59:42.809 --> 00:59:47.269
saw something and it looked like your handwriting, you'd be like, okay,
1290
00:59:47.309 --> 00:59:49.530
well let me try it. And it would be exact.
1291
00:59:50.050 --> 00:59:52.809
And that explains why there's like 30 of them here.
1292
00:59:53.230 --> 00:59:56.170
It wasn't, Like I first thought, I thought she just
1293
00:59:56.190 --> 00:59:59.000
like duplicated someone with like the Skyrim or the Oblivion
1294
00:59:59.039 --> 00:59:59.500
arrow glitch.
1295
00:59:59.900 --> 01:00:00.239
Right.
1296
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.800
But that was not the case. No. She didn't duplicate,
1297
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:05.480
you know, a bunch of buckets for no reason.
1298
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:09.420
Right. No, not at all. She didn't set 500 wheels
1299
01:00:09.460 --> 01:00:11.619
of cheese rolling down the mountain.
1300
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:14.250
Cheese wheels. Yeah. That would have been such a better
1301
01:00:14.289 --> 01:00:15.050
item to duplicate.
1302
01:00:15.309 --> 01:00:16.630
Right. Damn it. Yeah.
1303
01:00:16.809 --> 01:00:18.469
Always. Yeah.
1304
01:00:19.130 --> 01:00:22.829
Yeah. But also, too, like, this is where she starts, like,
1305
01:00:22.889 --> 01:00:26.849
she's playing, like, the old-timey, like, the Glenn Miller albums, right?
1306
01:00:27.449 --> 01:00:29.570
Anchors Away, I think, is what it is that's playing.
1307
01:00:30.869 --> 01:00:32.909
It's starting to feel very Bioshock-esque.
1308
01:00:33.190 --> 01:00:33.650
Ooh, yeah.
1309
01:00:33.769 --> 01:00:36.280
You know what I mean? Like, just that weird stuff
1310
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:36.760
going on.
1311
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:38.179
Yeah, I think she'd seen some.
1312
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:39.360
Would you kindly, you know?
1313
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.800
Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, she'd seen some stuff, I think, that, like,
1314
01:00:42.820 --> 01:00:44.699
dated this boat in, like, the 1930s at this point. Mm-hmm.
1315
01:00:45.949 --> 01:00:48.690
Which I feel like that's definitely the tip of the
1316
01:00:48.710 --> 01:00:51.650
cap to Shining, whenever they put that room 237 around
1317
01:00:51.670 --> 01:00:56.010
a couple times and the liminal spaces like you described.
1318
01:00:56.070 --> 01:01:00.239
Yeah. That's what makes it fun, especially now that Back
1319
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.860
Rooms is caught on so well. You can go back
1320
01:01:02.900 --> 01:01:04.420
and look at stuff like this, and it's like, yeah,
1321
01:01:04.659 --> 01:01:09.400
similar concept, right? Yes. Yeah, and then this is... Yeah,
1322
01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:13.750
so she's starting to change the time... You know, it
1323
01:01:13.789 --> 01:01:16.159
changes the decisions at this point, right? Okay, so she's
1324
01:01:16.179 --> 01:01:18.940
got to kill them. She witnesses them coming up on
1325
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.159
the boat. So she's like, okay, I have to kill
1326
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.039
them and that will stop this. Yes.
1327
01:01:24.139 --> 01:01:24.340
Right.
1328
01:01:25.219 --> 01:01:28.670
So, and then this is, I think, yeah, so a
1329
01:01:28.670 --> 01:01:33.110
little bit later when she's chasing Sally, I think, is
1330
01:01:33.130 --> 01:01:37.210
when Sally goes up to, after she's been shot, right?
1331
01:01:37.369 --> 01:01:41.579
And she climbs up there and there's like a bunch
1332
01:01:41.619 --> 01:01:42.500
of Sally's up there.
1333
01:01:43.610 --> 01:01:44.250
Oh, yeah.
1334
01:01:44.530 --> 01:01:45.909
That was brutal. Yeah.
1335
01:01:46.329 --> 01:01:47.469
Like, yeah, in the theater again.
1336
01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:51.170
That's a big, big reveal right there. Yeah. Like, how
1337
01:01:51.190 --> 01:01:52.329
many times has this happened?
1338
01:01:52.630 --> 01:01:56.949
Yeah, because, like, you'd think Sally and Donnie, business guy,
1339
01:01:56.969 --> 01:01:59.110
would always get gunned down in the theater after the
1340
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:00.570
message was left for them.
1341
01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:01.000
Right.
1342
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:05.420
But, yeah, there's definitely evidence of, I would say, like,
1343
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.400
a dozen, a couple dozen maybe. Like, Sally's just piled
1344
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.909
up there and, like, on their death throes. Uh-huh. Or, like,
1345
01:02:13.929 --> 01:02:15.230
I guess they're all dead, and now she's on a
1346
01:02:15.269 --> 01:02:15.789
death row.
1347
01:02:15.809 --> 01:02:19.860
Sure, yeah. But it's happened before, multiple times. Yes. So,
1348
01:02:20.219 --> 01:02:23.360
you know, we're experiencing a loop. We don't know how
1349
01:02:23.380 --> 01:02:27.340
many loops have happened at this point. It kind of
1350
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.599
reminds me of the game that came out, was it
1351
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.420
last year, year before, Expedition 33?
1352
01:02:31.420 --> 01:02:34.300
I heard about that one. Have you heard about that one?
1353
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:36.219
It won, like, all the awards.
1354
01:02:36.460 --> 01:02:40.320
It's really cool, because there's a... I don't want to
1355
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.590
spoil that one too much, but there's a reveal... um,
1356
01:02:44.550 --> 01:02:48.429
midway through the game. That's kind of similar to that reveal.
1357
01:02:49.289 --> 01:02:52.630
And it's like, Oh shit. Okay. Okay. This is where
1358
01:02:52.650 --> 01:02:54.849
we're going, you know? And then you start looking at
1359
01:02:54.889 --> 01:02:55.449
it way different.
1360
01:02:57.030 --> 01:02:59.190
I had seen just a little bit of footage on it.
1361
01:02:59.250 --> 01:03:01.889
Is it something like kind of like the painted world
1362
01:03:01.949 --> 01:03:02.929
from dark souls a bit?
1363
01:03:02.989 --> 01:03:03.190
Yeah.
1364
01:03:03.210 --> 01:03:03.369
Yeah.
1365
01:03:03.630 --> 01:03:03.809
Yeah.
1366
01:03:04.230 --> 01:03:05.989
That's cool. Yeah. Very cool concept.
1367
01:03:06.230 --> 01:03:06.670
Oh, totally.
1368
01:03:06.690 --> 01:03:06.829
Yeah.
1369
01:03:07.449 --> 01:03:10.610
But even with, um, you know, the, the from soft games,
1370
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:14.780
this kind of has that same feeling. um, of multiple,
1371
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:17.400
you know, when you click on like, uh, um, one
1372
01:03:17.420 --> 01:03:20.039
of the red spots and it's a guy that, that
1373
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.820
died in Elden Ring or whatever, you just see him
1374
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:24.280
like roll and die or whatever.
1375
01:03:25.099 --> 01:03:27.219
So it's kind of, finger butthole. Yeah.
1376
01:03:27.260 --> 01:03:32.039
Try finger butthole. Yeah. George R.R. Martin. Classic. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
1377
01:03:32.980 --> 01:03:35.239
so that's, what's cool about the movies and you kind of,
1378
01:03:35.820 --> 01:03:37.920
if you're familiar with, with those kinds of games, then
1379
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.280
it's more enjoyable because, uh, you, you're seeing these same
1380
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:41.920
things happen.
1381
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:42.579
Right.
1382
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.449
Um, you know, people have been here before, so they're
1383
01:03:46.489 --> 01:03:49.130
trying different things, seeing if they can escape the loop.
1384
01:03:50.449 --> 01:03:54.739
Yeah, I love that, like, just the evidence of, oh, man, well,
1385
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:57.619
you haven't tried, well, you've tried this before.
1386
01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:58.099
Yeah.
1387
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.219
So, again, like, kind of makes me ask that question again.
1388
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:02.579
It's like, well, damn, how do we get to the
1389
01:04:02.619 --> 01:04:03.360
good timeline?
1390
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.940
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, yeah, at this point, you know, Jess
1391
01:04:06.980 --> 01:04:12.630
has figured out, okay, if I kill everybody, then... maybe
1392
01:04:12.670 --> 01:04:14.969
this thing will stop and I can go, go home
1393
01:04:15.010 --> 01:04:18.949
and see my son. Yeah. You know? Um, so this
1394
01:04:19.010 --> 01:04:22.170
is where she decides to put on the, uh, the
1395
01:04:22.210 --> 01:04:24.690
jumpsuit and the burlap sack mask.
1396
01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:26.170
Hell yeah.
1397
01:04:26.250 --> 01:04:30.480
Which is cool. And then take the shotgun. So that's cool. Um,
1398
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:33.960
that's kind of, um, we get to see who the
1399
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:36.340
person in the mask was, which was her.
1400
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.980
Oh yeah. Cause like, yeah, earlier whenever she had confronted
1401
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:44.010
herself and, um, Liam Hemsworth, like, you know, right before
1402
01:04:44.090 --> 01:04:47.269
she brained him and like again uh whenever she had
1403
01:04:47.349 --> 01:04:50.860
confronted herself in the dining room uh she was not
1404
01:04:50.889 --> 01:04:53.619
masked up she was just like clearly herself and like
1405
01:04:53.699 --> 01:04:56.559
she her you know she had seen herself yeah so
1406
01:04:56.940 --> 01:05:00.460
uh now like as you're describing she's she's suited up
1407
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.039
you know she's in like the killer attire.
1408
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:05.150
Yeah so now you're like okay this movie is taking
1409
01:05:05.210 --> 01:05:08.550
another twist and turn here so uh let's see what's
1410
01:05:08.570 --> 01:05:09.349
gonna happen now.
1411
01:05:09.190 --> 01:05:11.639
Like you're now in the The POV shift, sort of.
1412
01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:14.260
Yeah, yeah, totally. It's like, I'm the captain now.
1413
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:16.719
Right. I'm the killer now.
1414
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:17.389
Yeah, exactly.
1415
01:05:17.570 --> 01:05:17.929
Look at me.
1416
01:05:18.090 --> 01:05:23.269
Yeah. So, yeah, she basically then puts on the mask
1417
01:05:23.329 --> 01:05:28.869
and the suit until she ends up getting in a
1418
01:05:28.909 --> 01:05:32.650
fight with herself at the edge of the ship, kind
1419
01:05:32.690 --> 01:05:35.860
of like before with the fire axe and she's got
1420
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.429
a pipe or something. But this time we can hear
1421
01:05:39.489 --> 01:05:42.409
what she's saying, you know, because before it was muffled,
1422
01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:44.139
before she fell over the side of the boat.
1423
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.860
Yeah, while it was in like her POV, but like
1424
01:05:50.139 --> 01:05:53.239
while she was in the other version of herself's shoes.
1425
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.719
Yeah. So basically she's trying to tell herself like you
1426
01:05:58.739 --> 01:06:02.420
have to kill them all, basically. That's the only way
1427
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:05.679
to stop this. But of course she didn't listen, so
1428
01:06:06.449 --> 01:06:08.539
falls over the side of the boat. yes oh.
1429
01:06:11.500 --> 01:06:17.420
Sally yeah while she while she was running away that's
1430
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.960
when the radio thing happened right oh yeah yeah yeah
1431
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.210
well before she goes to her death throes.
1432
01:06:22.090 --> 01:06:24.949
Yep that's what i was missing too um because yeah
1433
01:06:24.989 --> 01:06:27.869
so she before she ran up there uh and died
1434
01:06:27.949 --> 01:06:30.789
she had ran over to the radio and was yelling
1435
01:06:30.829 --> 01:06:33.820
that you know there's a killer and somebody's somebody's killing.
1436
01:06:33.570 --> 01:06:35.829
Us before she slash died. Yeah.
1437
01:06:36.030 --> 01:06:36.170
Yeah.
1438
01:06:36.210 --> 01:06:37.630
He said it so abruptly. Right.
1439
01:06:37.670 --> 01:06:42.030
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that's the, that's the
1440
01:06:42.070 --> 01:06:44.510
call that we heard in the beginning of the film. Right. Yeah.
1441
01:06:44.710 --> 01:06:48.409
Which is excellent for the loop.
1442
01:06:48.530 --> 01:06:53.019
A little piece just linking the link in the loop there. Um,
1443
01:06:53.699 --> 01:06:57.280
but yeah, so she, uh, yeah, she ends up falling
1444
01:06:57.300 --> 01:07:00.400
off the ship in the, uh, you know, the, the
1445
01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:02.400
killer version of herself falls off the ship. And then
1446
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.920
she wakes up, um, on a beach. So there's, uh,
1447
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:10.739
we see the, see the little crabs. We see her POV,
1448
01:07:10.820 --> 01:07:13.840
her eyes, their waves coming in.
1449
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:15.059
Hmm.
1450
01:07:15.099 --> 01:07:15.619
That's weird.
1451
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:18.820
That is vaguely familiar.
1452
01:07:21.010 --> 01:07:24.329
And, uh, yeah, it starts to, uh, it starts to
1453
01:07:24.389 --> 01:07:29.469
run home, I guess like hitchhikes. And then, uh, is
1454
01:07:29.809 --> 01:07:33.789
basically heading towards her house, it looks like. Yeah.
1455
01:07:34.050 --> 01:07:37.260
This is another strange direction that I feel like this
1456
01:07:37.300 --> 01:07:37.880
movie's taken.
1457
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:40.480
Right. So what were your thoughts at this point now?
1458
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:45.300
Because you jumped in blind. You're already taken for a
1459
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.739
ride at this point. Where are you at following this story?
1460
01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:51.320
Because I think you were enjoying it quite a bit
1461
01:07:51.380 --> 01:07:53.460
as far as the twists and turns. So what was
1462
01:07:53.500 --> 01:07:54.239
going through your mind?
1463
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.010
At this point, I was just like, you know, I,
1464
01:07:58.090 --> 01:07:59.530
like I was trying to say earlier, and I've used
1465
01:07:59.550 --> 01:08:01.550
this term too many times, you know, solve the movie
1466
01:08:01.590 --> 01:08:03.639
and puzzle it out and try and like work through
1467
01:08:03.659 --> 01:08:05.920
it at this point. Like, um, you know, and like
1468
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.260
even know the rules of the movie, but whenever I
1469
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:09.940
get to this, I was like, fuck it. I'm here
1470
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:11.659
for a good time at this point. You know, like
1471
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.840
I obviously cannot predict where this movie is going or
1472
01:08:15.889 --> 01:08:18.850
how it's going to unfold. Oh my God. I hate
1473
01:08:18.890 --> 01:08:21.149
watching that. She just off. We have the movie playing
1474
01:08:21.170 --> 01:08:23.859
in the background too. And like, she just, Yep. Rammed
1475
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.199
the guy in the back of the neck on accident there.
1476
01:08:26.220 --> 01:08:27.960
Right on the, right on the boat hook there.
1477
01:08:27.979 --> 01:08:28.199
Yeah.
1478
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:28.600
Brutal.
1479
01:08:29.390 --> 01:08:32.010
Sorry. Anyways. Yeah. And like, yeah, I just gave up.
1480
01:08:32.069 --> 01:08:33.970
I was just like, I was not to say I'm
1481
01:08:34.010 --> 01:08:36.090
not invested in the movie or hoping to know what
1482
01:08:36.109 --> 01:08:39.229
happens next, but I just like my, my prediction skills
1483
01:08:39.250 --> 01:08:41.949
have failed me every step of the way. Like, I
1484
01:08:42.090 --> 01:08:43.449
don't know how to like, you didn't.
1485
01:08:43.369 --> 01:08:44.069
Know what to expect.
1486
01:08:44.569 --> 01:08:47.750
Right. So I was just like, show me what you got.
1487
01:08:47.829 --> 01:08:50.090
That's why I like a movie like this. When you,
1488
01:08:50.609 --> 01:08:53.779
when you just kind of, give over to the fact
1489
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.930
that you're going to enjoy whatever this filmmaker has come
1490
01:08:56.970 --> 01:08:58.770
up with, then if you're in it to win it
1491
01:08:58.789 --> 01:09:01.359
at that point, then uh, it's like a roller coaster.
1492
01:09:01.380 --> 01:09:02.500
You don't know which way it's going to go.
1493
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.779
Right. And that's a good point. And like, I knew
1494
01:09:05.819 --> 01:09:08.970
so far, like it had been satisfying. So it wasn't
1495
01:09:08.989 --> 01:09:12.689
like I was dejected at like, oh wow, fuck this movie.
1496
01:09:12.710 --> 01:09:15.619
You know, it's just like, it's not like, you know,
1497
01:09:15.649 --> 01:09:17.029
cause sometimes you get to that point and you're like, wow,
1498
01:09:17.050 --> 01:09:20.510
this movie is incoherent and the writing is, does not
1499
01:09:20.550 --> 01:09:22.829
make sense. But no, like it had thrown so many
1500
01:09:22.869 --> 01:09:24.470
curve balls at me at this point. I'm just like,
1501
01:09:24.510 --> 01:09:27.569
all right, well this is, they're, they're taking a mighty
1502
01:09:27.630 --> 01:09:29.850
swing with this one, but let's see how it pays off.
1503
01:09:29.869 --> 01:09:31.850
You know, I, but I think they'll stick the landing.
1504
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:32.640
Let's see. Yeah.
1505
01:09:33.500 --> 01:09:33.640
Yeah.
1506
01:09:33.659 --> 01:09:36.039
That's, what's kind of cool about it. So, um, at
1507
01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:42.060
this point, um, she makes it home, uh, only to
1508
01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:46.210
find herself like, basically kind of, it's almost like right
1509
01:09:46.229 --> 01:09:47.489
where the film starts.
1510
01:09:48.649 --> 01:09:50.430
Right. There's like, yeah, the son was painting. There's like
1511
01:09:50.489 --> 01:09:51.329
blue picture.
1512
01:09:51.350 --> 01:09:51.989
Yeah.
1513
01:09:52.449 --> 01:09:54.170
That seems pretty recognizable.
1514
01:09:54.270 --> 01:09:56.369
She's like looking in the window at him and stuff.
1515
01:09:56.729 --> 01:09:58.890
Yeah. She sees that blue picture.
1516
01:10:00.689 --> 01:10:07.260
So, um, yeah, then, uh, basically, um, she's kind of
1517
01:10:07.300 --> 01:10:10.960
hanging out at her house, like watching her son from outside, um,
1518
01:10:12.310 --> 01:10:16.989
and then sees herself yelling at him or something.
1519
01:10:17.890 --> 01:10:22.380
Not like an out-of-body experience, but literally herself. Yeah.
1520
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:27.159
She's watching herself basically. At this point, of course, I'm
1521
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.260
sure if you're still listening, I'm hoping you've seen the
1522
01:10:29.300 --> 01:10:31.140
movie at this point because we get pretty spoilery at
1523
01:10:31.180 --> 01:10:39.430
this point. She's basically watching herself berate her son for like,
1524
01:10:40.180 --> 01:10:42.640
I don't know. It's something, like, so simple. Like, he
1525
01:10:42.699 --> 01:10:47.630
left his, like, sailboat in the pool out back or something. Yeah.
1526
01:10:47.649 --> 01:10:49.189
And it, like, pissed her off, right?
1527
01:10:50.250 --> 01:10:56.489
Yeah, I cannot believe, because this was all absent, I guess,
1528
01:10:56.510 --> 01:11:00.039
or whatever. Like, they're drip feeding this at a very
1529
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:00.800
tactical moment.
1530
01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:04.000
Yeah, because in the beginning, when the movie opens, like,
1531
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.340
we see some of these same actions, right? but we
1532
01:11:08.380 --> 01:11:10.300
don't see all of it because in the beginning we
1533
01:11:10.340 --> 01:11:14.279
see her cleaning up, um, you know, a spill. Uh, we,
1534
01:11:14.539 --> 01:11:16.479
we see her getting laundry off the line. We see
1535
01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:17.520
her picking up a sailboat.
1536
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:19.520
Yeah. Like I said, like it looked like a run
1537
01:11:19.550 --> 01:11:21.409
of the mill day, but.
1538
01:11:21.869 --> 01:11:24.489
At this point now we're seeing the other parts of it,
1539
01:11:24.609 --> 01:11:28.850
which is, um, so she's, she's upset with him for
1540
01:11:28.909 --> 01:11:32.029
like whatever he did with his sailboat. But at this point, uh,
1541
01:11:33.739 --> 01:11:37.159
he's looked in the window, like he's looked outside, uh,
1542
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:42.819
And seeing his mom basically looking at him from outside.
1543
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:47.439
And then she literally comes around the corner, and she's
1544
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:48.039
right there.
1545
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:48.819
Right.
1546
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.380
And it scares the hell out of him, right? And
1547
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:55.479
he spills his paint, right? So she gets all pissed
1548
01:11:55.579 --> 01:11:59.100
off at him and, like, comes in and, like, slaps him, right?
1549
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.890
And she's, like, the other Jess is outside the window, like,
1550
01:12:03.930 --> 01:12:06.020
watching this whole thing happen, right?
1551
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:11.520
And yeah, like she's got this like violent, angry temper
1552
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.050
that is just like absolutely apparent. She's just at her
1553
01:12:15.090 --> 01:12:17.029
wits end. No patience left.
1554
01:12:17.270 --> 01:12:19.789
It's my only day off. And like, it's just like
1555
01:12:19.829 --> 01:12:22.449
your dad, like he was an asshole.
1556
01:12:22.770 --> 01:12:26.670
Yeah. Calling her, you know, young autistic son an asshole because,
1557
01:12:27.250 --> 01:12:28.369
you know, it's spilled something.
1558
01:12:28.689 --> 01:12:32.489
Right. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it, like you were
1559
01:12:32.510 --> 01:12:35.489
kind of saying, uh, at this point where we're watching
1560
01:12:35.510 --> 01:12:38.970
a movie, like, it changes the dynamic of how you
1561
01:12:39.010 --> 01:12:42.649
feel about this character. Oh, yeah. Like, big time.
1562
01:12:43.189 --> 01:12:45.720
Yeah, if they had just, if the intro showed us this,
1563
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:49.279
not like what seems like, you know, a dutiful mother
1564
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:51.619
taking care of her son and running the house and
1565
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:53.539
stuff like that. You know, if it didn't kind of
1566
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.579
frame it or contextualize it like that, I would not
1567
01:12:56.619 --> 01:12:58.859
have cared what happened to this lady throughout any of
1568
01:12:58.899 --> 01:13:01.020
this movie if I had known she was an asshole
1569
01:13:01.060 --> 01:13:01.859
from the start.
1570
01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:05.340
Right. Look, I know, like, you know, parenting is hard
1571
01:13:05.460 --> 01:13:08.000
and a lot of times people get pushed to their
1572
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:10.640
limits and stuff like that. But like, you know, it's still,
1573
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.479
it's your kid, you know, but at this point, like, uh, it's,
1574
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:18.619
it's a very different feeling here that, uh, uh, you know,
1575
01:13:18.779 --> 01:13:22.520
the previous version of Jess like is, um, how she
1576
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:23.640
feels towards her son.
1577
01:13:24.340 --> 01:13:24.739
Right. Right.
1578
01:13:24.819 --> 01:13:27.649
Versus the, the main one that, you know, it's kind
1579
01:13:27.689 --> 01:13:29.529
of like out of it and like, Oh, he's at school.
1580
01:13:29.729 --> 01:13:30.630
You're like, well, that's weird.
1581
01:13:31.510 --> 01:13:34.310
Yeah. Like, at this point the main quest for her
1582
01:13:34.390 --> 01:13:38.829
is like return to Tommy Thompson, whatever his name is. Tommy, Tommy. Yeah.
1583
01:13:39.090 --> 01:13:39.350
Yeah.
1584
01:13:39.430 --> 01:13:43.779
Get to Tommy. But it's like, wow. Like you, we,
1585
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:45.399
you've clearly come a long way.
1586
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:51.039
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but yeah. So as she's kind of
1587
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.319
yelling at him and stuff, then she, she decides to
1588
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.920
try to distract her self, I guess a little bit.
1589
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:57.979
So she goes up and rings the doorbell, which is
1590
01:13:58.010 --> 01:13:58.949
what we saw in the beginning.
1591
01:13:59.470 --> 01:14:00.329
Right. Clever.
1592
01:14:00.789 --> 01:14:06.250
And so then, uh, I guess you'd call her, like,
1593
01:14:07.430 --> 01:14:09.350
let's call her Sundress Jess.
1594
01:14:09.829 --> 01:14:11.029
Yeah, she sneaks back.
1595
01:14:11.210 --> 01:14:18.100
Sundress Jess is the unlikable one, right? Like the hateful,
1596
01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:19.680
spiteful one, the one that slaps him.
1597
01:14:20.140 --> 01:14:20.560
I like it.
1598
01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:21.079
Yeah.
1599
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:22.159
Sundress Jess.
1600
01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:23.500
Yeah, so Sundress Jess.
1601
01:14:24.859 --> 01:14:25.840
You picked a tongue twister.
1602
01:14:25.859 --> 01:14:28.699
Right, I did, didn't I? She goes up to the door.
1603
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.880
There's nobody there. She goes up to her neighbor and
1604
01:14:31.899 --> 01:14:33.579
is like, hey, did you see anybody? He's like, no.
1605
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:39.500
But meanwhile, you know, main character Jess, I guess present
1606
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.770
time Jess, since it's her house, you know, she runs
1607
01:14:42.819 --> 01:14:45.970
to the shed, comes running back, grabs a hammer.
1608
01:14:45.989 --> 01:14:46.590
Oh, no.
1609
01:14:47.649 --> 01:14:53.529
And basically comes running into the house. And what happens
1610
01:14:53.569 --> 01:14:54.130
here in this scene?
1611
01:14:55.350 --> 01:14:58.289
Uh, yeah, she clubs her down. She, she brains her
1612
01:14:58.350 --> 01:15:00.409
like as soon as, uh, yeah, she like, she gets
1613
01:15:00.449 --> 01:15:04.949
in there, she freaking goes ham. And, uh, uh, I
1614
01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:06.619
think in her own bedroom or something like that, it
1615
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:11.439
just takes her down. And shortly after old Tommy runs in.
1616
01:15:11.579 --> 01:15:16.300
Yeah. Tommy sees this, this happened basically. So like, I mean,
1617
01:15:16.659 --> 01:15:19.039
this is like the most horrific part. I think like
1618
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:23.199
the craziest aspect of it is that, um, you know,
1619
01:15:23.829 --> 01:15:28.229
this kid has just witnessed something that he can't explain,
1620
01:15:28.869 --> 01:15:33.260
cannot articulate at all. And it's probably the most terrifying
1621
01:15:33.310 --> 01:15:37.039
thing that anyone could see and not have an explanation
1622
01:15:37.100 --> 01:15:40.300
for and not be able to, uh, to work through
1623
01:15:40.340 --> 01:15:42.760
and explain like, that's crazy.
1624
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:44.840
Yeah. That's, that's just harrowing. Yeah.
1625
01:15:45.020 --> 01:15:47.449
If you saw it, you know, if you saw your mom,
1626
01:15:48.050 --> 01:15:51.329
like just murder your mom, like, I don't know how
1627
01:15:51.350 --> 01:15:53.189
to explain it, but it's just, that's what he sees.
1628
01:15:53.529 --> 01:15:56.489
That is the size of it, honestly.
1629
01:15:56.510 --> 01:16:02.949
Yeah, yeah. So she immediately, present day Jess, immediately just
1630
01:16:02.979 --> 01:16:07.289
grabs Tommy. She's holding him. She's crying. She's like, oh,
1631
01:16:07.300 --> 01:16:10.399
it's just a bad dream. When I have a bad dream,
1632
01:16:10.460 --> 01:16:14.239
I just think of something happy, which is the same
1633
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:16.060
stuff that happened in the beginning of the film.
1634
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:20.720
Like literally the movie intros with that line.
1635
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:21.039
Yeah.
1636
01:16:21.819 --> 01:16:22.960
It's just a bad dream. Yeah.
1637
01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:29.239
So, uh, and then she goes and, uh, takes a
1638
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:33.640
locket from her former, uh, former self's neck. So the
1639
01:16:33.699 --> 01:16:36.890
locket with the, the two pictures in it. So she
1640
01:16:36.970 --> 01:16:39.390
loots that off the, the body of herself. Yep.
1641
01:16:39.470 --> 01:16:42.949
If you remember the, um, the survivor present digest that
1642
01:16:42.989 --> 01:16:46.409
we're following, she had lost it, you know, whilst finding
1643
01:16:46.470 --> 01:16:49.109
the others down in the pit and the, in the ship. Yeah.
1644
01:16:49.130 --> 01:16:50.949
Cause it fell onto the pile of the other ones.
1645
01:16:51.789 --> 01:16:51.949
Right.
1646
01:16:51.970 --> 01:16:57.680
Um, And then she stuffs her own dead body in
1647
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:00.979
a duffel bag and then takes it out and puts
1648
01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:05.140
it in her car's trunk, as one does, apparently.
1649
01:17:05.220 --> 01:17:08.680
Did we take a moment and discuss the mythology that
1650
01:17:08.699 --> 01:17:13.100
the crew had learned? No, we didn't, actually. They did
1651
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:14.220
the 1934 discovery part.
1652
01:17:14.420 --> 01:17:16.479
I don't think we did. The myth of Sisyphus?
1653
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:21.770
Yeah, they had come across that. The... What's the name
1654
01:17:21.789 --> 01:17:22.369
of the ship again?
1655
01:17:22.390 --> 01:17:25.470
Aeolus. The Aeolus. Aeolus, yeah.
1656
01:17:26.069 --> 01:17:29.489
The name of Sisyphus' father, and they mention the myth
1657
01:17:29.529 --> 01:17:32.010
of him who, you know, he's cursed to roll the
1658
01:17:32.050 --> 01:17:34.880
boulder up the hill and it falls down and he
1659
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.680
has to repeat his work. He's cursed to do that
1660
01:17:37.779 --> 01:17:38.699
over and over and over again.
1661
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:42.100
Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of what's happening here.
1662
01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.479
Yeah. I'm glad they had mentioned that mythology there, like,
1663
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.770
early on in the movie, because... that's a nice backdrop
1664
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:48.840
to keep at the back of your mind.
1665
01:17:48.939 --> 01:17:49.380
Oh, totally.
1666
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.920
Like, and they're not coy with it. They literally said
1667
01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:53.500
the name of the ship is this, like, and they,
1668
01:17:53.579 --> 01:17:56.199
they explain the myth to you. So it's just, I
1669
01:17:56.220 --> 01:18:00.319
think that's just, um, nice sort of like, I don't know,
1670
01:18:00.460 --> 01:18:02.979
guiding like the, the needle for the, where like the movie,
1671
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:03.920
whether it's trying to give you.
1672
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:07.260
Yeah. And it's like, if you know, you know, it's cool.
1673
01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:07.640
Yeah.
1674
01:18:07.699 --> 01:18:09.449
But if you don't, then you start to learn about it.
1675
01:18:09.460 --> 01:18:11.380
Then it's like, oh, okay. It makes the movie extra
1676
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.340
cool then. Cause it's like, you see those patterns.
1677
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.199
Exactly. It sets you in the headspace to look for
1678
01:18:15.220 --> 01:18:16.359
that sort of stuff. Yeah.
1679
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:21.500
Uh, so yeah, she puts the body in the duffel bag. Um, she,
1680
01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:25.460
she grabs Tommy, puts Tommy in the car and, uh,
1681
01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:28.430
drives him to school. She's like, you know what? Things
1682
01:18:28.449 --> 01:18:30.909
are going to be different from now on. I'm not
1683
01:18:30.930 --> 01:18:32.850
going to yell at you when you do something bad.
1684
01:18:32.949 --> 01:18:37.609
Like we're going to start fresh, you know? Um, and
1685
01:18:37.630 --> 01:18:40.319
so as they're driving, then, uh, all of a sudden
1686
01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:46.029
something splatters across the windshield and, uh, looks like uh
1687
01:18:46.869 --> 01:18:49.180
she stops gets out and uh looks like she's hit
1688
01:18:49.229 --> 01:18:54.279
a seagull womp womp yeah which uh if you know
1689
01:18:54.340 --> 01:18:57.300
the uh the rhyme of the ancient mariner um you
1690
01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.420
know it's always considered uh extremely bad luck to kill
1691
01:19:00.460 --> 01:19:03.399
a seagull if you're uh you know if you're of
1692
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:09.020
the sailing uh variety so it's ill omens uh bad
1693
01:19:09.060 --> 01:19:09.569
things will.
1694
01:19:09.470 --> 01:19:11.710
Happen I remember that from the lighthouse.
1695
01:19:12.100 --> 01:19:14.060
Yeah. Very similar.
1696
01:19:14.100 --> 01:19:14.279
Yeah.
1697
01:19:14.859 --> 01:19:19.840
They are right. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, so she, um,
1698
01:19:20.340 --> 01:19:23.079
she gets, uh, she pulls over, uh, picks up the
1699
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:27.189
bird and, uh, what happens here when she, uh, she
1700
01:19:27.229 --> 01:19:29.710
goes to, uh, throw it over the ocean there.
1701
01:19:29.789 --> 01:19:31.489
Oh, some bitch. I knew it was going to be
1702
01:19:31.550 --> 01:19:37.170
this way too. Um, well, She, very similar to Sally,
1703
01:19:37.430 --> 01:19:42.539
like before, there's a pile of dead seagulls that it's joining. Yeah.
1704
01:19:43.420 --> 01:19:46.340
Which means all of these things at this point have
1705
01:19:46.420 --> 01:19:48.300
like basically been tried.
1706
01:19:49.420 --> 01:19:52.619
Yeah. It's again like evidence of, yeah, maybe you're not
1707
01:19:52.930 --> 01:19:55.289
on the good timeline, the good ending like you thought
1708
01:19:55.310 --> 01:19:59.569
you were. Oh, I hate it. Just like. I saw that,
1709
01:19:59.670 --> 01:20:02.840
and you can even see it on the... I can't
1710
01:20:02.850 --> 01:20:05.699
remember the actress's name, but on Justice's face, you can
1711
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:09.859
see just despair just kind of envelop her as she
1712
01:20:09.899 --> 01:20:12.159
looks at the pile of it, as she has that realization, too.
1713
01:20:12.260 --> 01:20:13.479
It's so heartbreaking.
1714
01:20:13.739 --> 01:20:19.000
Yeah. But yeah, it's just hit after hit. That's what
1715
01:20:19.020 --> 01:20:20.960
I like about this movie is this twists and turns.
1716
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:25.260
I'm tired, boss. That's exactly how I'm feeling at this point.
1717
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:25.909
Just let her.
1718
01:20:26.609 --> 01:20:27.850
She's earned it at this point. I don't care if
1719
01:20:27.869 --> 01:20:31.520
she used to be terrible. Like, God damn, she's been
1720
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:32.819
through enough. Yeah.
1721
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:34.140
But wait, there's more.
1722
01:20:34.500 --> 01:20:36.119
For real. I don't hear no bell.
1723
01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:39.890
Right. So after she disposes of the bird, then she
1724
01:20:39.899 --> 01:20:43.989
goes back, gets in the car, and she's talking to
1725
01:20:44.029 --> 01:20:46.529
Tommy again. Keeps turning her head, talking to him in
1726
01:20:46.550 --> 01:20:48.909
the back seat. And he's freaked out by the blood
1727
01:20:48.989 --> 01:20:50.970
on the windshield. That's all he wants, just get the
1728
01:20:50.989 --> 01:20:53.619
blood off of there, right? So she's trying to calm him.
1729
01:20:53.670 --> 01:20:56.340
She turns around, and as she does so, then, of course,
1730
01:20:56.380 --> 01:21:01.420
she swerves into a semi, oncoming semi, and basically flips
1731
01:21:01.460 --> 01:21:06.970
the car and just rolls over like three, four times.
1732
01:21:07.050 --> 01:21:08.609
It's a devastating wreck.
1733
01:21:08.869 --> 01:21:15.750
Yeah, it's not good. So at this point, then, we have...
1734
01:21:16.289 --> 01:21:20.609
As we pan over, we've got Jess lying there, right?
1735
01:21:20.850 --> 01:21:25.449
And then we see Tommy is lying there. And as
1736
01:21:25.489 --> 01:21:28.989
we're panning over then, who do we see?
1737
01:21:31.069 --> 01:21:35.069
We see Jess standing there looking at the carnage that's
1738
01:21:35.109 --> 01:21:35.770
just unfolded.
1739
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:42.380
So at this point, it's pretty safe to assume that that's...
1740
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:49.329
prime Jess, right? Like, main character Jess, who survived the accident, but,
1741
01:21:49.689 --> 01:21:51.909
you know, the body that is laying on the ground
1742
01:21:51.989 --> 01:21:54.130
is probably the one that she had put in the trunk.
1743
01:21:56.050 --> 01:22:01.109
Sundress Jess. Because, you know, if you notice, she had
1744
01:22:01.130 --> 01:22:05.239
a sundress on. Which is kind of messed up.
1745
01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:07.359
I didn't, yeah, I'll have to go back and look
1746
01:22:07.380 --> 01:22:09.460
at that sort of through line a little closer on
1747
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:10.880
the clothing there, but I was.
1748
01:22:10.899 --> 01:22:13.319
It's a blink and you miss it moment, but If
1749
01:22:13.340 --> 01:22:18.880
you notice, that explains why there's, you know, multiple ones there.
1750
01:22:19.500 --> 01:22:22.140
And my, well, I guess we can step through the
1751
01:22:22.180 --> 01:22:24.520
rest of this, and then I'll, I guess, once we
1752
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.369
have the rest of that context, I'll give you my
1753
01:22:27.430 --> 01:22:33.109
read on what happened there. Let's see. Where are we
1754
01:22:33.210 --> 01:22:35.649
at on your read here? I don't know.
1755
01:22:36.109 --> 01:22:37.090
I mean, it's kind of wrapping up.
1756
01:22:37.289 --> 01:22:42.170
Yeah. Well, after that, she goes to the driver.
1757
01:22:42.189 --> 01:22:42.850
Mm-hmm.
1758
01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:46.319
Sorry, there's a man with a yellow taxicab just already
1759
01:22:46.340 --> 01:22:47.579
kind of waiting behind her. Yeah.
1760
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:50.859
This kind of creepy looking dude just walks up into frame.
1761
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:53.600
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he's like, she's like, who are you?
1762
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:55.970
And he's like, well, I'm a driver. And then he's like,
1763
01:22:55.979 --> 01:22:57.409
where do you want to go? And she says, well,
1764
01:22:57.470 --> 01:22:58.109
back to the harbor.
1765
01:22:58.130 --> 01:23:00.350
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
1766
01:23:01.210 --> 01:23:05.989
And I think that's a really pivotal moment. But at
1767
01:23:06.029 --> 01:23:10.800
that point, like, this is kind of where the adventure starts.
1768
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.199
You know, she runs into... other people and whatever. And
1769
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:17.789
we kind of see like, oh, okay, we are in
1770
01:23:17.829 --> 01:23:20.770
a loop and whatever. But whenever she sees that driver,
1771
01:23:20.829 --> 01:23:24.829
I feel like that's her crossroads moment where she can
1772
01:23:24.869 --> 01:23:28.100
either like look down and she's obviously looking down at
1773
01:23:28.939 --> 01:23:31.460
her body, whether, you know, any version of it, whether
1774
01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:32.819
it's the one in the sundress that was in the
1775
01:23:32.859 --> 01:23:36.899
trunk or, you know, herself, like as that primary one
1776
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:38.960
that we had been following this whole time. you know,
1777
01:23:39.020 --> 01:23:41.119
either way, that's her crossroads to either decide like, oh
1778
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:44.659
my gosh, yes, I was a terrible mom and like, I,
1779
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:48.600
you know, this is my fate. This is kind of
1780
01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:53.439
what all my decisions led to. And she can either
1781
01:23:53.539 --> 01:23:55.640
accept that and move on and, you know, go to
1782
01:23:55.659 --> 01:23:59.210
wherever the driver would, you know, take someone and who,
1783
01:23:59.869 --> 01:24:01.699
I don't want to weigh, you know, cast judgment on her,
1784
01:24:01.710 --> 01:24:05.170
wherever her next phase of this existence might be. Or,
1785
01:24:08.670 --> 01:24:12.470
she can reject that like Sisyphus and try and roll
1786
01:24:12.510 --> 01:24:14.369
that boulder up the hill once again. Yeah.
1787
01:24:14.390 --> 01:24:16.609
I get it next time. Exactly.
1788
01:24:16.710 --> 01:24:19.470
And like do anything she can to return to her
1789
01:24:19.510 --> 01:24:22.750
son and just, um, you know, and I'm not to say,
1790
01:24:23.189 --> 01:24:24.989
I'm not going to say that she's wrong because she
1791
01:24:25.029 --> 01:24:27.270
definitely did do things that altered the cycle. And, you know,
1792
01:24:27.289 --> 01:24:28.949
there was kind of a couple of different pass throughs
1793
01:24:29.010 --> 01:24:31.369
on how all that unfolded, you know, the primary, like
1794
01:24:31.409 --> 01:24:34.010
her first timeline to do it. And whenever second timeline
1795
01:24:34.029 --> 01:24:36.189
she was doing it, like they were two distinctly different,
1796
01:24:36.909 --> 01:24:38.770
ways on how they unfolded, even though they got to
1797
01:24:38.829 --> 01:24:41.899
the same end point, like how they got there was different. So,
1798
01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.880
you know, you know, and I'm saying that in like
1799
01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:49.260
whenever she knocked the mass person off and then whenever
1800
01:24:49.300 --> 01:24:51.579
she was the mass person that knocked off, you know,
1801
01:24:51.619 --> 01:24:55.640
like same end point at that moment. But, uh, you know,
1802
01:24:55.659 --> 01:24:57.119
I feel like she needs to either like come to
1803
01:24:57.140 --> 01:25:02.329
the conclusion, like she's, she's dead and moved on or she, she,
1804
01:25:03.539 --> 01:25:04.960
can roll the boulder up the hill and try and
1805
01:25:04.979 --> 01:25:07.140
try and try again and see if she can break that,
1806
01:25:07.420 --> 01:25:11.500
you know, in a way that manifests and something that
1807
01:25:11.659 --> 01:25:14.600
is her getting her son is as impossible as that sounds. Yeah.
1808
01:25:15.380 --> 01:25:18.869
Yeah. Because really, I mean, yeah, the, the taxi driver
1809
01:25:18.989 --> 01:25:23.390
is kind of a representative of a char on right
1810
01:25:23.430 --> 01:25:28.390
at the, the ferryman to take you across the river. But, uh,
1811
01:25:29.149 --> 01:25:31.289
you know, and he kind of asks her, you know, you,
1812
01:25:31.989 --> 01:25:33.569
You will come back, right? I'm going to keep the
1813
01:25:33.590 --> 01:25:36.119
meter running. And she's like, yep, I'll be back.
1814
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:36.659
Yeah, of course.
1815
01:25:36.859 --> 01:25:37.000
Yeah.
1816
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:40.239
Of course. And I think that's like, yeah, his test
1817
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.899
of like, are you going to, is this another boulder
1818
01:25:42.939 --> 01:25:44.840
push or are you going to accept your fate and
1819
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:48.289
understand like, you know, you have to move on to
1820
01:25:48.310 --> 01:25:50.810
the next existence. Yep.
1821
01:25:50.829 --> 01:25:54.010
Because, yeah, I mean, think of how many times we
1822
01:25:54.050 --> 01:25:56.170
go through that in our lives too, you know, over
1823
01:25:56.989 --> 01:25:59.810
certain things that happen one way or the other and,
1824
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:03.119
you know, you work through them. And that's kind of,
1825
01:26:03.659 --> 01:26:06.159
I think that's the crux of the film, right? Where
1826
01:26:06.220 --> 01:26:10.560
it's like, is there something, you know, does she regret
1827
01:26:12.350 --> 01:26:15.310
something and keep trying to change it? And is she
1828
01:26:15.409 --> 01:26:18.949
unwilling to accept the facts as they are? Or, you know,
1829
01:26:18.970 --> 01:26:20.909
is she not willing to accept that her being a
1830
01:26:20.930 --> 01:26:24.310
terrible person led to the actions that happened? You know,
1831
01:26:24.409 --> 01:26:28.289
it's one of those things. So is she trying to
1832
01:26:28.350 --> 01:26:31.359
get back? Is he trying to do it, you know,
1833
01:26:31.779 --> 01:26:34.279
to make a better choice? I don't know.
1834
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:39.449
Yeah, that's tough. I think the film ends on a
1835
01:26:39.470 --> 01:26:42.770
nice note where, like, I don't know. These types of
1836
01:26:42.810 --> 01:26:46.270
movies aren't always going to have a super satisfying conclusion,
1837
01:26:46.289 --> 01:26:48.630
but I think it ends in, like, a way where
1838
01:26:49.789 --> 01:26:52.930
the going into the next loop feels satisfying in a way.
1839
01:26:52.970 --> 01:26:56.510
It's just like... Yeah. It feels complete. I don't know, like, it...
1840
01:26:57.319 --> 01:26:59.239
not everyone might feel like it's satisfying, but it does
1841
01:26:59.260 --> 01:27:01.880
feel like a complete circle.
1842
01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:07.000
And also, too, it's, you know, as gamers and, you know,
1843
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:11.079
fans of these kind of horror games and stuff, it's
1844
01:27:11.140 --> 01:27:13.640
kind of like getting the bad ending a little bit,
1845
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:14.100
you know?
1846
01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:16.680
Yeah, like, well, how do I get to the good ending?
1847
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:18.970
Yeah, so you're like, okay, well, maybe on the next
1848
01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:22.010
playthrough if I do X, Y, and Z, then, okay,
1849
01:27:22.050 --> 01:27:24.550
then I can get the good ending or whatever. And so,
1850
01:27:25.229 --> 01:27:28.619
you know, much like... A Souls game or Elden Ring,
1851
01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:31.819
you know, you just keep trying. You just keep going
1852
01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:33.680
through it until you beat the boss, right?
1853
01:27:34.539 --> 01:27:37.680
Until all the right NPCs are alive and are in
1854
01:27:37.739 --> 01:27:40.699
at the right stage, phases of their quests and stuff.
1855
01:27:40.979 --> 01:27:42.420
She's kind of going through it like it's like if
1856
01:27:42.460 --> 01:27:45.180
you played a Souls game and you just like murdered
1857
01:27:45.220 --> 01:27:48.140
all the NPCs and didn't do any of their side quests.
1858
01:27:48.180 --> 01:27:51.890
For real. That's what she thinks is the path forward, right?
1859
01:27:51.909 --> 01:27:52.670
Which is so weird.
1860
01:27:52.710 --> 01:27:54.529
That's what the message on the ground said for her
1861
01:27:54.550 --> 01:27:57.329
to do. She's just totally all in on that strategy.
1862
01:27:57.350 --> 01:28:02.689
Totally, totally. Yeah, so that's Triangle. So I thought on
1863
01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:04.770
our second loop here, I would just get a little
1864
01:28:06.659 --> 01:28:10.199
bit more detailed on the time loop aspects of it.
1865
01:28:10.579 --> 01:28:13.000
Yeah, give you that sort of second watch Easter egg
1866
01:28:13.020 --> 01:28:14.560
sort of insight.
1867
01:28:14.579 --> 01:28:16.880
Because that's what's cool about the movie is, much like
1868
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.939
Memento or Inception or something, once you know the twists
1869
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.180
and turns, it becomes more enjoyable in the second watch
1870
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.359
because then you're piecing things together. You're like, oh, this
1871
01:28:26.390 --> 01:28:30.489
happens there, this is happening right now, all that different stuff.
1872
01:28:30.489 --> 01:28:33.520
We have all the puzzle pieces at this point. We're
1873
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:34.989
doing our new game plus.
1874
01:28:34.989 --> 01:28:38.100
Basically, yeah. Um, so yeah, I found a, an article.
1875
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:40.539
I was like just Googling different ones. And so I
1876
01:28:40.579 --> 01:28:44.880
found this one on, uh, it was a astronomy trek.com
1877
01:28:44.939 --> 01:28:49.350
and it had a, um, an article on, uh, triangle
1878
01:28:49.350 --> 01:28:53.010
2009 ending, explain time loop timeline, meaning stuff like that.
1879
01:28:53.050 --> 01:28:55.090
So I'll put a link in the show notes for it. Um,
1880
01:28:55.170 --> 01:28:57.710
cause it's pretty well written. It's pretty cool. So I
1881
01:28:57.750 --> 01:28:59.569
thought I'd just gloss over some of the stuff basically.
1882
01:28:59.609 --> 01:29:08.789
But what's cool about Triangle is all the characters got
1883
01:29:08.810 --> 01:29:15.569
trapped in this endlessly repeating sequence. And so there's multiple
1884
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:19.220
versions of Jess that exist on board the ship at
1885
01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:22.899
the same time. So there's always like three versions of
1886
01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:27.060
Jess that are existing on just presently. So this loop
1887
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:31.180
is just constantly going, which I find fascinating as a concept.
1888
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:33.159
Right. Feels very malleable.
1889
01:29:33.420 --> 01:29:36.779
Yeah. Because, uh, so you have one Jess that's just
1890
01:29:36.850 --> 01:29:41.970
arrived aboard the ship. You have another Jess that's slowly
1891
01:29:42.010 --> 01:29:45.350
beginning to realize that the events are repeating. And then
1892
01:29:45.390 --> 01:29:48.250
you have the third Jess that already believes that she's
1893
01:29:48.289 --> 01:29:50.329
discovered the only way to escape, you.
1894
01:29:50.289 --> 01:29:52.569
Know, killing a murder hobo Jess, right?
1895
01:29:52.789 --> 01:29:57.449
Yeah. Hobo pants, Jess, right? Um, so that's, what's cool. Um,
1896
01:29:58.609 --> 01:30:00.609
you know, they, they appear to be different people or,
1897
01:30:02.130 --> 01:30:04.680
you know, but they're actually just different versions of the same,
1898
01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:09.279
just at different points in the loop, which is cool
1899
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:09.920
to think about.
1900
01:30:10.180 --> 01:30:10.439
Right.
1901
01:30:10.699 --> 01:30:14.899
You know, um, but also like everybody else is kind
1902
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:16.039
of trapped in this loop too.
1903
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:18.640
Right. Um, and mostly as collateral.
1904
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:20.890
Yeah. And they don't, they have no clue that they've
1905
01:30:21.310 --> 01:30:22.529
done it countless times.
1906
01:30:22.789 --> 01:30:23.010
Right.
1907
01:30:24.149 --> 01:30:25.720
Um, Except for Sally.
1908
01:30:25.739 --> 01:30:28.439
I was going to say, one person definitely gets too
1909
01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:29.079
much evidence.
1910
01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.119
Yeah, that's going to be terrifying. Get up there, you
1911
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:31.439
just got to.
1912
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:32.199
Rounding that corner?
1913
01:30:32.220 --> 01:30:32.779
Yeah.
1914
01:30:32.899 --> 01:30:34.140
Oh my God, no. Right.
1915
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:35.720
I've made a huge mistake.
1916
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:37.859
Several times, apparently.
1917
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:43.279
Right. But yeah, so because the loop tends to overlap
1918
01:30:43.380 --> 01:30:46.920
rather than completely reset each time, each cycle kind of
1919
01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:51.439
leaves physical evidence behind. So that's why... the keys and
1920
01:30:51.479 --> 01:30:55.020
the lockets and all the notes keep piling up. Right.
1921
01:30:55.430 --> 01:30:59.229
Which is an interesting sort of like, um, distinction for
1922
01:30:59.250 --> 01:31:01.090
this movie versus other time travel movies.
1923
01:31:01.270 --> 01:31:04.489
Yeah. It's also like, uh, you know, it's like a
1924
01:31:04.609 --> 01:31:06.850
Bethesda game where like the loot just stays on the
1925
01:31:06.890 --> 01:31:08.310
ground for like the entire game.
1926
01:31:08.350 --> 01:31:12.819
Yeah. Yeah, oh, duplicated something over there. Oh, duplicated something.
1927
01:31:12.930 --> 01:31:16.279
Right, yeah. It's just all your junk is just forming
1928
01:31:16.350 --> 01:31:18.329
a path to your main quest, right?
1929
01:31:18.649 --> 01:31:20.869
I guess I'll sell 30 more glass Warhammers. Why not?
1930
01:31:20.970 --> 01:31:26.350
Yeah, why not? Yeah, so... But yeah, which is... Yeah,
1931
01:31:26.369 --> 01:31:28.270
that's why there's like the pile of bodies up there
1932
01:31:28.329 --> 01:31:29.010
and stuff like that.
1933
01:31:30.750 --> 01:31:31.930
Didn't know you could duplicate those.
1934
01:31:32.529 --> 01:31:35.949
I guess, yeah. So that's what's kind of cool about
1935
01:31:35.989 --> 01:31:40.800
this loop then is not every... victim uh has the
1936
01:31:40.819 --> 01:31:42.960
same thing happen to them like it's just slightly different
1937
01:31:43.220 --> 01:31:46.439
so uh it's not that they're continuity errors it's that
1938
01:31:46.460 --> 01:31:50.359
they're um you know different actions layered on top of
1939
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:53.899
one another because the cycles just keep repeating which i
1940
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:54.640
think is cool.
1941
01:31:55.579 --> 01:32:00.220
So yeah the fact that there's like the iterations or
1942
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:04.189
like the adjacent sort of timelines keeps it interesting i
1943
01:32:04.229 --> 01:32:05.609
think malleable is a good word for it like i
1944
01:32:05.649 --> 01:32:08.340
said and she had discovered that too like that you know,
1945
01:32:08.380 --> 01:32:11.399
it's not fixed in that, you know, she can adjust.
1946
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.100
And I think she had learned that mostly through, um,
1947
01:32:14.100 --> 01:32:16.819
Liam Hemsworth, whenever she was like, Oh yeah, I've had
1948
01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:19.020
to fight you here, but now I'm interacting with you
1949
01:32:19.060 --> 01:32:21.819
in a different way here in a way that I
1950
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:24.520
no longer like the one that just boarded. Isn't going
1951
01:32:24.539 --> 01:32:25.319
to have to fight you.
1952
01:32:25.350 --> 01:32:26.060
Right.
1953
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:26.619
I had to.
1954
01:32:26.649 --> 01:32:27.050
Yeah.
1955
01:32:28.329 --> 01:32:28.449
Yeah.
1956
01:32:28.470 --> 01:32:31.010
So you have like clueless Jess learning Jess and like
1957
01:32:31.109 --> 01:32:34.489
mask Jess, right? Like each, it's the three stages of her,
1958
01:32:34.510 --> 01:32:36.529
like working through the problem.
1959
01:32:37.069 --> 01:32:37.229
Right.
1960
01:32:38.409 --> 01:32:42.430
Um, and so each time, like, that's why it's just
1961
01:32:42.489 --> 01:32:47.109
constantly leaving the same evidence in there, uh, which is cool. Uh,
1962
01:32:47.149 --> 01:32:50.409
but yeah, really that's, what's cool about the bad ending too,
1963
01:32:50.489 --> 01:32:55.720
is that the loop just constantly repeats, you know, she just,
1964
01:32:56.159 --> 01:33:00.199
she just cannot make the, uh, the decision to, to.
1965
01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:04.020
Move on until one day she probably tells the ferry man, like,
1966
01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:07.619
take me home, wherever I gotta go, whatever's necessary. the
1967
01:33:07.659 --> 01:33:09.159
next life, whatever's after this.
1968
01:33:09.579 --> 01:33:11.079
But do you think, I don't know. I mean, like,
1969
01:33:12.100 --> 01:33:14.199
I don't, I think she's constantly going to be trapped
1970
01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:14.600
in this.
1971
01:33:14.539 --> 01:33:17.439
Loop because she was such a shit person. You think
1972
01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:18.130
this is her hell?
1973
01:33:18.270 --> 01:33:20.649
Because like, if you think about it, as soon as
1974
01:33:20.770 --> 01:33:23.949
she ends the one loop and she's like, all right,
1975
01:33:24.289 --> 01:33:27.529
you know, take me to the Harbor. She instantly then
1976
01:33:27.590 --> 01:33:30.250
is just like, uh, yeah, Tommy's at school and just
1977
01:33:30.270 --> 01:33:32.020
gets on the boat and like has a good time
1978
01:33:32.060 --> 01:33:33.800
with her, with her friend.
1979
01:33:34.779 --> 01:33:39.220
So, Oh, it should we, uh, Yeah, do some clues?
1980
01:33:40.180 --> 01:33:42.500
Yeah, I think so. I think this is a good
1981
01:33:42.539 --> 01:33:45.270
point to kind of get into the loop a little bit, yeah.
1982
01:33:45.619 --> 01:33:49.310
All right, well, let's set the track back to zero.
1983
01:33:49.329 --> 01:33:50.829
Let's rewind the tape a little bit.
1984
01:33:50.930 --> 01:33:57.689
Yeah. So, yeah, at this point, you know, Jess is
1985
01:33:57.710 --> 01:33:59.729
walking down the dock there.
1986
01:33:59.970 --> 01:34:02.569
Wait, Wes, how do we know when we're in a loop?
1987
01:34:03.310 --> 01:34:06.239
Oh, shit. We might have gone through this several times.
1988
01:34:06.949 --> 01:34:09.189
Hundreds of times, thousands. There's no way to tell.
1989
01:34:10.109 --> 01:34:11.449
All right. Well, let's just stick to the script.
1990
01:34:11.770 --> 01:34:11.989
Right.
1991
01:34:12.229 --> 01:34:12.409
Yeah.
1992
01:34:13.250 --> 01:34:15.430
But it's weird. I feel like I've read the script before, too.
1993
01:34:16.670 --> 01:34:17.569
You say that every time.
1994
01:34:17.909 --> 01:34:23.369
I assure you the cards are sufficiently randomized.
1995
01:34:23.649 --> 01:34:26.529
Let's do some clues, though. This is where it gets fun.
1996
01:34:26.609 --> 01:34:28.100
To do the new game plus. Yeah.
1997
01:34:28.270 --> 01:34:32.439
Yeah. Because, yeah, after we finished the film, I started
1998
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:34.399
it right up again. So just, you know, it's been
1999
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:35.619
on the loop as well.
2000
01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:36.180
Right.
2001
01:34:36.750 --> 01:34:38.560
So, you know, she comes walking down the.
2002
01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:39.239
Loops, brother.
2003
01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:43.500
Yeah. She's walking down to the harbor and bumps into
2004
01:34:43.539 --> 01:34:46.380
Liam Hemsworth, and he's like, oh, you know, where's your son?
2005
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.420
And she pauses for a minute. She's like, oh, he's
2006
01:34:49.460 --> 01:34:51.479
at school. Yeah. He's like, oh, that's weird.
2007
01:34:51.579 --> 01:34:54.550
And that was a huge red flag out the gate,
2008
01:34:54.590 --> 01:34:56.989
like galaxy size of like, why do you have to 1,000
2009
01:34:56.989 --> 01:35:00.109
yards stare and say, oh, your son's at school? Right.
2010
01:35:00.130 --> 01:35:04.800
It's like, oh, yeah, because she went through war. you know,
2011
01:35:04.819 --> 01:35:06.279
moments ago leading up into this.
2012
01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:09.510
Yeah, I mean, this is, knowing what you know now
2013
01:35:09.689 --> 01:35:14.590
after a first viewing, this character just walked away from
2014
01:35:14.630 --> 01:35:16.829
a car accident in which she just watched her son die.
2015
01:35:17.510 --> 01:35:21.310
And herself. And herself. In some reading, in my interpretation.
2016
01:35:21.430 --> 01:35:27.600
Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, she's not even, she's
2017
01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:30.539
not even accepting that, you know what I mean? Because
2018
01:35:30.579 --> 01:35:33.039
she didn't, she didn't say that he died. She's like, oh,
2019
01:35:33.140 --> 01:35:33.680
he's at school.
2020
01:35:34.470 --> 01:35:34.609
Right.
2021
01:35:34.630 --> 01:35:37.350
So there's, like, your first clue that she's already not accepting.
2022
01:35:40.329 --> 01:35:43.109
She's just not accepting, like, you know, that he died
2023
01:35:43.149 --> 01:35:43.869
in a car crash.
2024
01:35:44.390 --> 01:35:44.630
Yeah.
2025
01:35:44.689 --> 01:35:45.840
Is basically what's going on.
2026
01:35:46.180 --> 01:35:49.079
Yeah, because she still thinks she can break the cycle. Yeah.
2027
01:35:49.659 --> 01:35:53.380
So that's where she kind of becomes the, you know,
2028
01:35:54.460 --> 01:36:00.409
formulating the plan, right? So she's kind of, she's got
2029
01:36:00.449 --> 01:36:03.569
that thousand-yard stare, right? Like, she's slowly trying to, like,
2030
01:36:04.010 --> 01:36:08.810
piece these events together, you know? So gets on the boat.
2031
01:36:10.069 --> 01:36:12.010
Um, like knowing what I know now, how can I
2032
01:36:12.069 --> 01:36:15.510
do things different? You know, how, how can I, you know, change,
2033
01:36:15.670 --> 01:36:17.930
how do I get, get to the good timeline? Like
2034
01:36:17.970 --> 01:36:19.250
we've alluded to. Right.
2035
01:36:20.090 --> 01:36:23.470
So yeah, she's going through, um, you know, the, uh,
2036
01:36:23.750 --> 01:36:29.590
she hears the message on the radio, um, where it's, uh,
2037
01:36:29.609 --> 01:36:32.449
the other girls like, you know, they're killing us all
2038
01:36:32.489 --> 01:36:36.680
or whatever. Like, and so, on the second watch, then
2039
01:36:36.779 --> 01:36:40.180
you see Jess up there as she's reacting to this,
2040
01:36:40.239 --> 01:36:44.189
you know, because basically as, you know, as the girl's
2041
01:36:44.229 --> 01:36:46.750
calling in on the radio, like that stuff's happening right
2042
01:36:46.789 --> 01:36:49.289
now on the boat, you know, that, that part of
2043
01:36:49.329 --> 01:36:50.949
the timeline is still going. Yes.
2044
01:36:51.470 --> 01:36:53.729
So like, yeah, they're, they're still in those waters and
2045
01:36:53.770 --> 01:36:55.760
it is weird. Like it is still affecting them. Like,
2046
01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.659
and like even this far out at this part of
2047
01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:00.760
the timeline. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And also just slightly
2048
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.939
bit of just dynamic for like the social aspect of
2049
01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:08.020
the group that there was a conversation where Sally was
2050
01:37:08.060 --> 01:37:11.899
talking to Heather. And by the way, who never showed
2051
01:37:11.939 --> 01:37:13.939
back up. She really did just like turn into fish food.
2052
01:37:14.180 --> 01:37:16.430
Yeah, basically just, yeah. Gone.
2053
01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:18.350
But yeah, she was talking, Sally was talking to Heather
2054
01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:22.550
about Captain Greg not being with Jess. And now that
2055
01:37:22.569 --> 01:37:25.029
we know Jess is like a heinous bitch, that like
2056
01:37:25.130 --> 01:37:27.470
makes way more sense. And at first I thought Sally
2057
01:37:27.510 --> 01:37:31.270
was just kind of being like, you know, just overly involved,
2058
01:37:31.289 --> 01:37:34.220
you know, just kind of like stuck up herself, you know,
2059
01:37:34.300 --> 01:37:37.439
like just being that type of way. Um, but no,
2060
01:37:37.539 --> 01:37:41.300
she actually, she's, she's terrible. And she was looking out for, honestly,
2061
01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:43.579
for Greg's best interest because I think Jess is a
2062
01:37:43.579 --> 01:37:45.739
terrible person and Heather seemed like a sweetheart.
2063
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:47.020
Yeah.
2064
01:37:48.420 --> 01:37:48.600
Yeah.
2065
01:37:48.699 --> 01:37:50.680
It, it makes you look at her way differently then.
2066
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:53.689
Right. Absolutely. Again, like I would not have rooted for
2067
01:37:53.710 --> 01:37:55.069
it if I had known she was terrible and like
2068
01:37:55.090 --> 01:37:57.449
was mean to her, like young autistic son, like that.
2069
01:37:57.470 --> 01:37:59.510
It's like, yeah. It's a bridge too far for me,
2070
01:37:59.590 --> 01:38:01.609
even if you're the main character of a movie. I'm
2071
01:38:01.630 --> 01:38:03.729
going to hope that you get godded.
2072
01:38:04.189 --> 01:38:07.880
Yeah, I mean, she's very much like an unreliable narrator
2073
01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:09.640
in the purest form.
2074
01:38:10.140 --> 01:38:10.359
Right.
2075
01:38:10.659 --> 01:38:13.020
Because when you do find out, then it's like, okay, yeah,
2076
01:38:13.340 --> 01:38:15.000
I don't feel that much sympathy then.
2077
01:38:15.180 --> 01:38:19.720
It's like What's-His-Nuts in Silent Hill 2, James. Oh, yeah.
2078
01:38:19.979 --> 01:38:22.319
Yeah, totally. Yeah, once you get to the end and
2079
01:38:22.350 --> 01:38:27.649
you realize what he actually did to his wife and everything, yeah.
2080
01:38:27.670 --> 01:38:29.359
Yeah. I still got to watch you play that remake.
2081
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:29.930
I'm too scared.
2082
01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:31.960
Oh, man, it's so good. I love the original. The
2083
01:38:31.979 --> 01:38:33.100
remake's good, too, so.
2084
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:35.079
I got, like, stuck on Hospital. I'm like, fuck this game.
2085
01:38:35.100 --> 01:38:37.829
Oh, so good. As far as I got. Which one? Like,
2086
01:38:37.850 --> 01:38:39.510
you go through it, like, two or three different times.
2087
01:38:39.710 --> 01:38:40.470
The first, no.
2088
01:38:40.550 --> 01:38:41.569
Like, two Hospital bits.
2089
01:38:41.590 --> 01:38:42.890
Like, back to back. I think the second time, like,
2090
01:38:42.909 --> 01:38:45.390
because I talked to the, like, the pizza guy a
2091
01:38:45.449 --> 01:38:47.130
couple of times. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm
2092
01:38:47.270 --> 01:38:48.050
back at the hospital.
2093
01:38:48.300 --> 01:38:50.270
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I got to get back to that game
2094
01:38:50.329 --> 01:38:50.750
at some point.
2095
01:38:50.890 --> 01:38:52.210
I need to watch you finish it from there. I
2096
01:38:52.409 --> 01:38:55.409
still haven't seen the end yet. Yeah. At least on
2097
01:38:55.430 --> 01:38:55.789
the remake.
2098
01:38:56.069 --> 01:38:59.930
Sure. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of, I mean, what's
2099
01:38:59.949 --> 01:39:01.789
the next part then? She gets back on the ship,
2100
01:39:01.829 --> 01:39:05.789
and then she sees herself up on the ship again,
2101
01:39:05.829 --> 01:39:06.229
of course.
2102
01:39:06.510 --> 01:39:10.670
Yeah, the silhouette of the person with the, what's his name,
2103
01:39:10.710 --> 01:39:11.310
lens flare.
2104
01:39:11.340 --> 01:39:15.619
Yeah. So that silhouette then is probably, that happens right
2105
01:39:15.699 --> 01:39:18.460
after she's just dropped the other body overboard.
2106
01:39:19.270 --> 01:39:22.390
Yeah, depending on which side of it, which point of
2107
01:39:22.409 --> 01:39:25.050
the timeline that you're on, whether she has either knocked
2108
01:39:25.090 --> 01:39:27.569
that person off or she herself has just been knocked off.
2109
01:39:27.829 --> 01:39:30.189
Yeah, it's like that Jess on the boat.
2110
01:39:30.210 --> 01:39:32.390
That's Learning Jess.
2111
01:39:32.609 --> 01:39:36.229
Yeah, Learning Jess has probably already knocked Masked Jess off
2112
01:39:36.270 --> 01:39:39.210
of the boat at that point. She's now seeing the
2113
01:39:39.270 --> 01:39:42.029
new Jess arrive. So in the first part of the movie,
2114
01:39:42.069 --> 01:39:45.359
we're following new Jess arriving. But these events have already
2115
01:39:45.380 --> 01:39:46.640
transpired numerous times.
2116
01:39:46.659 --> 01:39:49.510
Pokemon levels up into learning Jess at this point.
2117
01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:54.189
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, again, it's like cause and effect, right?
2118
01:39:54.229 --> 01:39:57.109
Like the same events keep happening here.
2119
01:39:57.430 --> 01:39:59.569
Yeah, Data shows up and he's like, you have to change.
2120
01:39:59.590 --> 01:40:04.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, seriously, like as far as TNG episodes,
2121
01:40:04.310 --> 01:40:07.640
like that's one of the best ones because it's just,
2122
01:40:08.220 --> 01:40:10.720
it deals with a concept and, you know, it doesn't
2123
01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:12.960
always have to be action-based. You know, you can have cool,
2124
01:40:14.260 --> 01:40:17.260
ship episodes where there's, like, something weird happening, right?
2125
01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:18.460
Yeah.
2126
01:40:18.500 --> 01:40:19.140
Same kind of thing here.
2127
01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:22.800
I'm pretty sure, like, Futurama won, like, an Emmy or
2128
01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:24.420
some shit like that. Yeah. One of the awards for
2129
01:40:24.460 --> 01:40:27.560
Roswell that ends well, their time travel bootstrap episode.
2130
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:30.560
Yeah. That's the, I mean, that's the classic one where
2131
01:40:30.590 --> 01:40:31.590
Fry meets his grandpa.
2132
01:40:32.350 --> 01:40:33.439
Yeah, and becomes his.
2133
01:40:33.729 --> 01:40:34.850
And becomes his grandpa, yeah.
2134
01:40:34.869 --> 01:40:37.329
He did do the nasty and the pasty. Yeah, yeah.
2135
01:40:38.289 --> 01:40:42.529
Yeah. Isn't it crazy that that episode got, like, so much, like, um,
2136
01:40:42.729 --> 01:40:45.210
it broke through to like mainstream and stuff for real.
2137
01:40:45.390 --> 01:40:48.350
Yeah. So definitely put it like on the map in
2138
01:40:48.369 --> 01:40:48.989
a big way.
2139
01:40:49.510 --> 01:40:50.329
Yeah. A hundred percent.
2140
01:40:51.550 --> 01:40:52.810
Um, I don't know.
2141
01:40:52.869 --> 01:40:55.729
Yeah. Is, is there anything else that you, there's, um,
2142
01:40:56.140 --> 01:40:58.399
explain like on the second loop, I'm trying to think
2143
01:40:58.420 --> 01:40:59.840
what else I might be missing.
2144
01:41:00.020 --> 01:41:01.520
Yeah. She gets up in there and then she like
2145
01:41:01.539 --> 01:41:05.079
has that, um, another thousand yard stare at the hallways
2146
01:41:05.779 --> 01:41:08.000
where she's like, you know, like, I think I've been
2147
01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.399
here before and everyone's like, uh, no, you haven't lady.
2148
01:41:10.420 --> 01:41:11.840
You're obviously crazy.
2149
01:41:11.859 --> 01:41:12.560
Um, Yeah.
2150
01:41:12.590 --> 01:41:17.369
Yeah. Because like, oh, sorry, I guess I'm jumping ahead.
2151
01:41:17.569 --> 01:41:21.909
I also meant to mention this before they leave the boat. Remember,
2152
01:41:21.949 --> 01:41:24.170
she had that dream where she had all those abstract
2153
01:41:24.250 --> 01:41:28.029
sort of imagery. This is where all that sort of
2154
01:41:28.090 --> 01:41:31.100
setup is supposed to pay off for you to your viewer,
2155
01:41:31.159 --> 01:41:33.680
because you see that like some of that stuff that
2156
01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:36.619
she had dreamed about was like, I feel like, her
2157
01:41:36.779 --> 01:41:38.659
when it was like zoomed in on her eye and
2158
01:41:38.689 --> 01:41:41.369
stuff like real close, that was her body and like
2159
01:41:41.390 --> 01:41:43.329
the crabs and stuff kind of like swarming around the
2160
01:41:43.369 --> 01:41:47.069
seagull at the end of the last loop and her remembering.
2161
01:41:47.090 --> 01:41:47.550
Yeah.
2162
01:41:47.890 --> 01:41:52.079
And I think repressing those memories of, you know, all
2163
01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.319
the other loops and stuff that she's either seen or
2164
01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:56.979
been a part of or what have you. But that's like,
2165
01:41:57.039 --> 01:41:58.659
I feel like a line in the sand.
2166
01:41:59.079 --> 01:41:59.680
Yeah.
2167
01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:03.880
For like whenever she had like, it kind of, walks
2168
01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:07.460
willingly or not walks into this sort of obscuring fog
2169
01:42:08.180 --> 01:42:10.760
that clouds are from just knowing exactly what's happening the
2170
01:42:10.779 --> 01:42:11.220
whole time.
2171
01:42:11.420 --> 01:42:14.199
Yeah. It's weird though. I mean, because it's that weird
2172
01:42:14.220 --> 01:42:16.750
sense of deja vu, right? Where like, have you ever
2173
01:42:16.770 --> 01:42:20.210
experienced that where like, you know, you might see something
2174
01:42:20.289 --> 01:42:22.449
or look at something and for like a brief second,
2175
01:42:22.569 --> 01:42:24.989
like it triggers something in your mind. You're like, I
2176
01:42:25.050 --> 01:42:28.600
dreamed of this exact, you know, frame, but it was
2177
01:42:28.609 --> 01:42:31.260
like six months ago or it was like a year ago. Yeah, dude.
2178
01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:34.880
I've even had those like, several years in advance, like
2179
01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:37.500
a couple, like just like, wow, I felt like I
2180
01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:40.659
dreamed about that over like 10 years ago. That's crazy. Yeah.
2181
01:42:40.979 --> 01:42:43.039
And it clicks for like a moment. And then like
2182
01:42:43.100 --> 01:42:45.220
in your brain, then it's like, Nope, you, you don't
2183
01:42:45.260 --> 01:42:46.260
have access to this file.
2184
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.579
It's literally, yeah, it feels like that. It's like you're
2185
01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:51.180
approaching the threshold of the other timeline. And then it's
2186
01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:53.439
just like, whoa, I'm not supposed to remember. I've remembered this.
2187
01:42:53.659 --> 01:42:55.500
Well, it's kind of like this movie. So if you could,
2188
01:42:55.859 --> 01:43:00.260
you know, theoretically, if, um, if there were multiple, um,
2189
01:43:02.060 --> 01:43:06.470
instances occurring simultaneously, then this could represent like one of
2190
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:10.289
those parts where you're looking, you know, you're through the
2191
01:43:10.329 --> 01:43:11.850
looking glass there for like a second.
2192
01:43:12.590 --> 01:43:13.829
Like that's a good way to describe it.
2193
01:43:13.829 --> 01:43:19.210
You're just passing through that alternate, you know, loop, but
2194
01:43:19.229 --> 01:43:20.689
you can see it for like a split second.
2195
01:43:21.069 --> 01:43:26.579
Yeah, they weave and intersect just a hair. Mm-hmm. that
2196
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:28.880
Mandela effect drops for just a moment.
2197
01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:29.380
Exactly.
2198
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:29.779
Yeah.
2199
01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:32.699
Is it Berenstain bears? Is it Berenstain bears? I don't know.
2200
01:43:32.939 --> 01:43:36.350
You know, um, the, one of those weird things, but
2201
01:43:36.869 --> 01:43:37.630
Berenstain bears.
2202
01:43:38.130 --> 01:43:38.369
Right.
2203
01:43:39.590 --> 01:43:41.329
Um, that's, that's how I remember it. Yeah.
2204
01:43:41.949 --> 01:43:44.640
But it is, it's weird how that stuff, you know, uh,
2205
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:47.659
happens sometimes. And like, that's what makes for fun storytelling
2206
01:43:47.699 --> 01:43:49.359
and movies too. I think that's what draws me to
2207
01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:52.220
it is, um, you know, it's just like the, the
2208
01:43:52.260 --> 01:43:55.119
possibilities of like, you know, what does this mean? What
2209
01:43:55.140 --> 01:43:57.229
could it be? Um, and the fact that it's not
2210
01:43:57.960 --> 01:44:00.439
thoroughly explained and you can come up with your own conclusions.
2211
01:44:00.500 --> 01:44:04.779
Right. Um, yeah. Like what was OG just doing? Like,
2212
01:44:04.979 --> 01:44:06.340
and how did she get there? Cause we know that
2213
01:44:06.380 --> 01:44:08.319
things differ and she even differed it a little bit
2214
01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:10.850
and how, like, like I said, the interaction between her
2215
01:44:10.869 --> 01:44:12.750
hitting the off button and stopping the guy from doing
2216
01:44:12.770 --> 01:44:15.710
it and kind of like engaging with herself. Whereas like
2217
01:44:15.770 --> 01:44:19.109
the masked version of, you know, learning just didn't. So like,
2218
01:44:19.630 --> 01:44:21.720
what in the hell did those other timelines go through?
2219
01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:25.369
You know, like what kind of where they're, um, I
2220
01:44:25.369 --> 01:44:27.949
don't want to call them deviations because they wouldn't have
2221
01:44:27.970 --> 01:44:29.729
known that they were deviations. No. But how are they
2222
01:44:29.750 --> 01:44:30.770
different from what we had seen?
2223
01:44:30.970 --> 01:44:34.350
Exactly. I mean, yeah, we could have made these same decisions,
2224
01:44:34.569 --> 01:44:36.829
you know, a hundred times, a thousand times. There's no
2225
01:44:36.850 --> 01:44:37.270
way to tell.
2226
01:44:37.609 --> 01:44:37.850
Right.
2227
01:44:38.449 --> 01:44:42.060
So that's what I like about it. It just loops.
2228
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:47.500
You know, she can't come to terms with whatever she's done.
2229
01:44:47.539 --> 01:44:50.159
She can't move past that. You know, much like in
2230
01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:53.739
The Odyssey with Matt Damon being lost for most of
2231
01:44:53.779 --> 01:44:56.550
the film. Right. Like they kept him prisoner on the
2232
01:44:56.649 --> 01:45:00.949
island and, you know, he was unable to see or
2233
01:45:00.989 --> 01:45:03.970
accept like, you know, to be able to move forward
2234
01:45:04.010 --> 01:45:06.350
from that. And he'd been there, what, like 40 years
2235
01:45:06.409 --> 01:45:06.810
or something.
2236
01:45:06.869 --> 01:45:09.210
Right. I think it's like 14 or something like that.
2237
01:45:09.270 --> 01:45:11.460
I mean, like Argus is the dog still has to
2238
01:45:11.500 --> 01:45:14.560
be alive, you know, but. Yeah. Long enough.
2239
01:45:15.100 --> 01:45:18.060
Long enough. Yeah. But that's, you know, that's the tale
2240
01:45:18.100 --> 01:45:22.600
of Sisyphus. Right. It's existed throughout. you know human history
2241
01:45:22.659 --> 01:45:25.840
for so many thousands of years right and it's just
2242
01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:30.050
such a constantly engaging story because who's to say we're
2243
01:45:30.090 --> 01:45:33.390
not all doing that ourselves in one way shape or form.
2244
01:45:33.770 --> 01:45:35.770
Oh man I hope not hope this isn't just my
2245
01:45:35.810 --> 01:45:37.689
boulder but I'll get to.
2246
01:45:37.590 --> 01:45:39.890
The end of the hill and find out I guess
2247
01:45:40.489 --> 01:45:42.470
but I don't know maybe you know everybody has to
2248
01:45:42.489 --> 01:45:47.239
come to terms with you know the actions they've taken
2249
01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:49.539
and you know you might regret certain things or whatever
2250
01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:52.390
but like part of life is accepting those things and
2251
01:45:52.430 --> 01:45:54.949
moving forward. And sometimes that's the hardest thing for people
2252
01:45:54.989 --> 01:45:57.970
to do. So, uh, especially in this case with, uh,
2253
01:45:58.010 --> 01:46:00.989
with Jess, I mean, we see that and especially once
2254
01:46:01.029 --> 01:46:03.819
we know her more as a character, then it's really, um,
2255
01:46:05.500 --> 01:46:07.960
you know, you don't, you don't feel as much empathy
2256
01:46:08.020 --> 01:46:10.479
for her, but it's like, well, no wonder you're stuck
2257
01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:11.020
in this loop.
2258
01:46:11.560 --> 01:46:14.760
Yeah. They've, they've put such a, um, well, we didn't
2259
01:46:14.779 --> 01:46:16.340
know it for the most time or for the most,
2260
01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:18.350
most of the runtime. So I can't say this for,
2261
01:46:18.899 --> 01:46:20.819
you know, everyone's experience with the movie where they put
2262
01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:23.220
such an unlikable person in such a captivating little puzzle.
2263
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:25.680
It's just like such a interesting dynamic.
2264
01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:28.659
It is a, yeah, it's a juxtaposition without being, uh,
2265
01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:33.619
overt about it. Right. Because like, you don't know at
2266
01:46:33.659 --> 01:46:37.119
first you're, you're just following the, you're, you're as confused
2267
01:46:37.340 --> 01:46:39.600
as Jess is right when you start the film for
2268
01:46:39.619 --> 01:46:43.010
the first time, but on repeat viewings, the more that
2269
01:46:43.050 --> 01:46:45.850
you know about it, then you start to take different
2270
01:46:45.890 --> 01:46:48.319
things away from it. And, I think that's what makes
2271
01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:51.800
this movie really good is that, um, you know, you're,
2272
01:46:51.899 --> 01:46:56.000
you're constantly going to be thinking to yourself, like noticing
2273
01:46:56.039 --> 01:46:59.250
the clues and, and looking at the actions differently. So
2274
01:46:59.350 --> 01:47:01.550
I think that's just the sign of a well-crafted movie.
2275
01:47:01.590 --> 01:47:05.369
I think it's well-directed and, uh, well-acted and the concept
2276
01:47:05.430 --> 01:47:08.029
is really solid. So it's always been one that has
2277
01:47:08.050 --> 01:47:08.810
been a favorite of mine.
2278
01:47:08.829 --> 01:47:13.060
Hell yeah. Well, I don't think there's any more clues
2279
01:47:13.100 --> 01:47:15.340
or anything that I can think of to kind of
2280
01:47:15.420 --> 01:47:17.399
add to any of that. And, why this movie is
2281
01:47:17.409 --> 01:47:20.409
so good. But now that we've wrapped all that up,
2282
01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:22.079
I have one question for you.
2283
01:47:22.380 --> 01:47:22.600
Sure.
2284
01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:26.579
Do you think there was anything that could have been
2285
01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:29.880
done differently to have gotten her to a good timeline?
2286
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:38.229
I think in my opinion, the one thing that she
2287
01:47:38.510 --> 01:47:42.069
just needed to not do was look in the window
2288
01:47:42.090 --> 01:47:42.609
at her son.
2289
01:47:44.590 --> 01:47:47.850
After he had, reacted to the blood from the seagull.
2290
01:47:47.869 --> 01:47:50.130
No before that when she runs when she wakes up
2291
01:47:50.170 --> 01:47:52.270
on the island and she runs back to her house
2292
01:47:52.350 --> 01:47:54.819
and she she looks in the window at him when
2293
01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:59.279
he sees her right that's the part that really is
2294
01:47:59.340 --> 01:48:00.199
the catalyst for.
2295
01:48:00.180 --> 01:48:02.560
All that are you saying that's like sort of the
2296
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:05.909
the strodinger's box moment where kind of like the box
2297
01:48:05.970 --> 01:48:07.430
is open and decisions made.
2298
01:48:07.470 --> 01:48:10.289
Right that's kind of what i'm thinking because.
2299
01:48:10.189 --> 01:48:13.970
Um we've collapsed the two timeline superposition.
2300
01:48:13.829 --> 01:48:16.260
Yeah Because if she didn't do that, if she moved
2301
01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:20.140
on from that and just you know, took off or
2302
01:48:20.310 --> 01:48:23.539
wherever she went or whatever, um, it would have been
2303
01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:26.020
a way different. But the fact that she looked in there,
2304
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:30.159
saw him, and then he realizes that there's two of
2305
01:48:30.220 --> 01:48:34.800
them and then sees her murder. The other one starts
2306
01:48:34.859 --> 01:48:36.119
the whole thing on the path.
2307
01:48:36.260 --> 01:48:36.479
Right.
2308
01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:39.619
But she can't, she can't get past that. So she can't,
2309
01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:42.140
She can't see that, in my opinion, I think that's
2310
01:48:42.180 --> 01:48:44.199
the one, that's the crux, right? That's the thing that
2311
01:48:44.270 --> 01:48:47.869
she shouldn't have done is you need to accept the
2312
01:48:47.890 --> 01:48:49.829
fact that your actions led to the death of your
2313
01:48:49.850 --> 01:48:52.409
son and you need to move past that. But she
2314
01:48:52.449 --> 01:48:55.109
couldn't because she went back to see him as quick
2315
01:48:55.149 --> 01:48:59.010
as she could to try to get him from that situation. But, like, that's,
2316
01:48:59.189 --> 01:49:02.130
you know, the only winning move is not to play.
2317
01:49:02.970 --> 01:49:07.130
See, yeah, I kind of had that same sort of takeaway,
2318
01:49:07.170 --> 01:49:09.930
but at a different moment. I thought... Like once she
2319
01:49:09.970 --> 01:49:13.529
had gotten back to the harbor and then she had
2320
01:49:13.569 --> 01:49:18.920
like confirmed, like I see, what's his name, Victor? The guy,
2321
01:49:19.159 --> 01:49:21.920
Liam Hemsworth. Once you see him and like you're setting,
2322
01:49:22.100 --> 01:49:24.319
embarking on this trip, he even asks about your son
2323
01:49:24.380 --> 01:49:27.159
and before you lie and say he's at school. I
2324
01:49:27.180 --> 01:49:29.829
think at that moment you've confirmed where you are like
2325
01:49:29.930 --> 01:49:33.760
time wise. That's whenever you go back. Cause I feel
2326
01:49:33.779 --> 01:49:36.539
like that's, you know, after everything is like the, like
2327
01:49:36.659 --> 01:49:39.220
there's no two timelines or anything like that. You're guaranteed
2328
01:49:39.239 --> 01:49:42.000
you're on this timeline, but I feel like at this
2329
01:49:42.060 --> 01:49:45.609
point she, you know, it's, it's her cross to bear.
2330
01:49:45.649 --> 01:49:47.630
It's her boulder to push up that Hill. And she
2331
01:49:47.649 --> 01:49:50.109
just like chooses to, to embark on that. It's like
2332
01:49:50.529 --> 01:49:54.029
change it differently. But I feel like that's the only
2333
01:49:54.329 --> 01:49:56.520
moment where the only right answer is to not play
2334
01:49:56.539 --> 01:49:59.720
the game and like walk away and go home. Yeah.
2335
01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:03.909
Or just move forward from there because it's, Each time
2336
01:50:03.949 --> 01:50:07.270
she keeps coming up with the same ideas, but they've
2337
01:50:07.289 --> 01:50:09.270
already been thought of. But she doesn't know that she's
2338
01:50:09.289 --> 01:50:09.750
thought of them.
2339
01:50:10.189 --> 01:50:12.149
Right, until there's a pile of bodies somewhere.
2340
01:50:12.270 --> 01:50:15.050
Exactly. So she's just doomed to repeat it over and over.
2341
01:50:15.250 --> 01:50:19.189
But I think if she didn't look in the window
2342
01:50:19.270 --> 01:50:21.729
at him, none of that stuff, that would be the
2343
01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:22.720
way to exit the loop.
2344
01:50:23.060 --> 01:50:23.220
Yeah.
2345
01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:24.399
In my opinion.
2346
01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:29.149
I like it. Good takeaway. I think we're... definitely approaching
2347
01:50:29.170 --> 01:50:31.590
this movie in slightly different angles, interpretations.
2348
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:33.539
But different angles. I see what you did there.
2349
01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:34.319
Yeah. Yeah.
2350
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:35.079
Nice.
2351
01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:36.140
I didn't even mean to.
2352
01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:38.039
It is funny though, that I watched this movie three
2353
01:50:38.060 --> 01:50:41.659
times this week and you know, like triangle and you know,
2354
01:50:42.020 --> 01:50:44.439
the concept of three comes up quite a bit. Yeah.
2355
01:50:44.779 --> 01:50:46.619
So nice symbolism fitting. Right.
2356
01:50:46.909 --> 01:50:50.050
So, uh, yeah. So what, what did you think, uh,
2357
01:50:50.090 --> 01:50:52.289
jumping into this first time, not knowing anything about what
2358
01:50:52.310 --> 01:50:54.449
you're going to watch tonight? Uh, how'd you feel about it?
2359
01:50:54.670 --> 01:50:57.689
Yeah, this is excellent. This is like, This is definitely
2360
01:50:58.489 --> 01:51:00.750
a buy for me. I would definitely have this around
2361
01:51:00.810 --> 01:51:03.130
in movies way up my alley. I like this Timey
2362
01:51:03.149 --> 01:51:06.010
Miami Shutter Island-esque puzzle-solving stuff.
2363
01:51:06.029 --> 01:51:07.989
Ooh, I haven't seen that one for a long time either.
2364
01:51:08.010 --> 01:51:10.149
I haven't seen that since the theater.
2365
01:51:10.170 --> 01:51:14.189
Yeah, like that temporal, unreliable narrator sort of thing where
2366
01:51:15.010 --> 01:51:18.109
it really kind of rewards an audience that's paying attention
2367
01:51:18.130 --> 01:51:18.789
and doing their homework.
2368
01:51:18.810 --> 01:51:19.109
Yeah.
2369
01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:22.539
There's a lot of movie in that movie that you
2370
01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:23.340
can get out of it.
2371
01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:25.840
You know, I like movies like this too, because they're,
2372
01:51:26.060 --> 01:51:29.100
they're very rewatchable. Uh, you know, there's a large amount
2373
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:31.640
of people that are kind of one and done with movies.
2374
01:51:31.699 --> 01:51:34.479
I'll watch it once and that's it. And that's fine,
2375
01:51:34.619 --> 01:51:37.220
but you really should do yourself a favor if you
2376
01:51:37.260 --> 01:51:40.470
like this movie and watch it a second time, you know,
2377
01:51:40.590 --> 01:51:42.600
either shortly after the first one or let it sit
2378
01:51:42.619 --> 01:51:45.109
for a little bit, let it marinate and then come
2379
01:51:45.149 --> 01:51:48.949
back to it. Um, but on your second watch, you know,
2380
01:51:48.989 --> 01:51:51.960
try to think of, the stuff that happened when you
2381
01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.760
watch it the first time, and then you can kind
2382
01:51:53.779 --> 01:51:56.079
of piece things together and it makes it more fun.
2383
01:51:56.359 --> 01:51:57.779
Yes, absolutely.
2384
01:51:57.810 --> 01:51:58.529
That's what I like about it.
2385
01:51:59.010 --> 01:52:01.750
Perfect movie for that. And you know, the groundhog day
2386
01:52:01.789 --> 01:52:04.529
type of thing, you know, it's, it's movie designed for
2387
01:52:04.590 --> 01:52:05.609
a second viewing. Yeah.
2388
01:52:06.289 --> 01:52:09.090
Yeah. It's the dark version of groundhog day where, you know,
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01:52:09.130 --> 01:52:12.720
Bill Murray just has to murder all the townsfolk to, uh,
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01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:15.260
escape the loop murder hog day.
2391
01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:16.180
Right.
2392
01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:21.369
So, yeah. So that's, uh, Yeah, that's Triangle.
2393
01:52:21.510 --> 01:52:23.550
Where do you rate it? Where's it at on yours?
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01:52:23.590 --> 01:52:25.170
It's definitely a buy for me. I love it. I
2395
01:52:25.210 --> 01:52:28.930
think it's great. I think it's held up all these
2396
01:52:28.970 --> 01:52:30.250
years later. I still enjoy it.
2397
01:52:31.189 --> 01:52:33.390
Definitely held up quite well. If you didn't tell me,
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01:52:33.449 --> 01:52:36.399
if I didn't know this movie was made in 2009, well,
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01:52:36.420 --> 01:52:39.180
I guess other than a few of the song choices
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01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:41.600
and things like that. Sure. But otherwise, I would not
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01:52:41.619 --> 01:52:41.880
have known.
2402
01:52:41.939 --> 01:52:44.979
It's got a little bit of that 2000s brown that
2403
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:45.520
we talked about.
2404
01:52:45.539 --> 01:52:46.359
Yeah. Which one? Transformers.
2405
01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:52.579
Well, yeah, we talked about it in transformers, but also, uh,
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01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:57.119
I was trying to think of, um, Oh, whatever the, um,
2407
01:52:58.100 --> 01:53:01.380
the other one was, I don't remember now, but anyway, um, yeah.
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01:53:01.739 --> 01:53:04.359
And the CG, the digital effects are very, you know,
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01:53:04.420 --> 01:53:08.279
late two thousands kind of thing. So yeah, I love it. Uh,
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01:53:08.380 --> 01:53:10.340
this one's really good. I also like, there's another one
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01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:12.020
that came out like two years before this, it was
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01:53:12.079 --> 01:53:16.170
a Spanish film called, uh, time crimes. That's also very, uh,
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01:53:16.260 --> 01:53:18.079
timey wimey. I enjoyed that one quite a bit.
2414
01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:20.340
So, Well, the name is A-plus.
2415
01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:23.199
Yeah, yeah. So maybe we'll cover that one on the
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01:53:23.220 --> 01:53:24.779
show at some point because I would like to do
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01:53:24.819 --> 01:53:29.229
that one. Cool. So it's good. So yeah, that's Triangle.
2418
01:53:29.329 --> 01:53:32.850
So I believe next week is your pick, or next episode,
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01:53:32.869 --> 01:53:35.210
I guess. So what do you got cooking up for me?
2420
01:53:35.869 --> 01:53:38.529
Yeah, I'm coming strong with kind of a heavy hitter.
2421
01:53:38.569 --> 01:53:41.300
Last time I did Scary Stories Tell in the Dark,
2422
01:53:41.340 --> 01:53:45.500
and that was intentionally for introductory horror for everybody. Sure, sure.
2423
01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:45.829
Yep, yep.
2424
01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.350
Totally. But, you know, stepping up to the plate a
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01:53:48.369 --> 01:53:50.989
little bit here and also from 2009 which this movie's
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01:53:50.989 --> 01:53:53.829
2009 oh you know so sticking with this same sort
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01:53:53.869 --> 01:53:57.649
of timeline i'm going with the collector.
2428
01:53:57.949 --> 01:54:01.180
Oh nice nice i have not seen the collector since
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01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:02.359
the theater so that'll be.
2430
01:54:02.340 --> 01:54:05.619
Fun yes this would be it was well overdue revisit.
2431
01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:07.260
Yeah uh it's fun i'm looking forward to that i
2432
01:54:07.260 --> 01:54:09.039
haven't watched that for a long time are there two
2433
01:54:09.079 --> 01:54:09.460
of those.
2434
01:54:09.600 --> 01:54:13.130
Yeah collection yeah that's right that's right yeah dude and
2435
01:54:13.289 --> 01:54:16.630
it I actually watched it last night just as like sampling,
2436
01:54:16.670 --> 01:54:19.750
you know. Tracy's my test audience. My wife Tracy's my
2437
01:54:19.789 --> 01:54:22.250
test audience for the most part. So I'll watch it
2438
01:54:22.270 --> 01:54:23.970
with her and I'm like, what did you think? You know,
2439
01:54:24.069 --> 01:54:25.949
if it held her attention and she likes it, then
2440
01:54:26.010 --> 01:54:29.050
I know the movie has held up well and will
2441
01:54:29.069 --> 01:54:29.979
be a good pick. Nice.
2442
01:54:30.109 --> 01:54:33.260
Yeah, I remember liking it. So I'll be enjoying a
2443
01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:34.420
review of that one for sure.
2444
01:54:35.279 --> 01:54:38.000
Yeah. And man... I think it's going to be a
2445
01:54:38.060 --> 01:54:41.600
great conversation because I, like I was describing to you
2446
01:54:41.619 --> 01:54:43.699
guys earlier, like I used to be really good with
2447
01:54:43.739 --> 01:54:45.819
horror and this movie has, that movie has a lot
2448
01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:49.460
of gore and watching it like after facing mortality is
2449
01:54:49.500 --> 01:54:50.819
a very different experience.
2450
01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:53.939
It's very different. Yeah. And we should, we should do
2451
01:54:53.979 --> 01:54:56.500
video drama at some point then. Oh yeah. Just dig
2452
01:54:56.539 --> 01:55:00.899
into that. So that'd be good. Deep into James Woods.
2453
01:55:01.579 --> 01:55:02.439
Oh yeah.
2454
01:55:02.510 --> 01:55:05.850
Weird to think about, but it's kind of true. That is. Yeah.
2455
01:55:05.869 --> 01:55:07.710
I forget that he was, he's in that week. Yeah.
2456
01:55:08.270 --> 01:55:11.050
But yeah, look forward to collector next week.
2457
01:55:11.170 --> 01:55:12.289
Yeah. Sweet. That'll be cool.
2458
01:55:12.449 --> 01:55:12.590
Yeah.
2459
01:55:12.630 --> 01:55:15.329
We'll try to get it, um, whenever I guess. Yes.
2460
01:55:15.869 --> 01:55:16.289
That's cool.
2461
01:55:16.489 --> 01:55:17.670
So cool. All right.
2462
01:55:17.710 --> 01:55:21.069
Well, um, that's it for this episode. So, uh, you know,
2463
01:55:21.090 --> 01:55:23.449
if you like what you hear, please, uh, you know,
2464
01:55:23.670 --> 01:55:25.970
leave us a review and, uh, all that stuff, like,
2465
01:55:26.029 --> 01:55:31.039
and subscribe, all that stuff that we're all doing. So, um, yeah.
2466
01:55:31.880 --> 01:55:33.680
Um, I've been your host, Rhett.
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01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:37.920
I've been Wes. And until next time, be kind, rewind.