Darkman

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Oh, my God.
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Thank you. Hello and welcome to Generation Video. I'm Wes.
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And I'm Rhett.
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And we're back after a long absence. Yes.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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Right. All three of you. Thank you for sticking around. Yeah,
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it's been, I don't know, a few busy weeks. I
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was on vacation for a while and we had other
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life events just getting in the way. So it's been
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a while since we've done a show. Mm-hmm.
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They asked last time we did spooky season early because
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we knew we had a little bit of a hiatus
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coming up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we both like spooky movies, so we're trying to
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make sure we both have enough runway to get enough
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picks in for the season.
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Look, I could do spooky season all year, but, I mean,
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you know that. Exactly. But some of our most downloaded
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episodes are horror films, so we might as well cater
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to the demographic, right?
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Right. I mean, we love it.
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You love it.
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Let's just give the people what they want.
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Exactly. Exactly. So this week is my pick. I think
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when we had done the last episode at the end,
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I was like, all right, we're going to do an
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early Sam Raimi film. So we're going to do Darkman. Whoa.
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And I am pretty sure that you've never heard of
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this film. Am I correct?
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I mean, you have mentioned it like a time or two,
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just mentioning Raimi. But yeah, outside of that, like whenever
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you mentioned it or I even hear about Darkman, I'm
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just thinking... What the hell is even that, basically?
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What the hell is Darkman, right?
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Yeah, like, is this, like, some sort of superhero thing?
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Is this, like, a monster thing? Yes. Like, what the
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hell is even that?
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Yes. What the hell is even that?
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Daddy, chill.
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Yeah, so, I mean, that's, I think, a few weeks
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ago or a month ago, whenever The New Evil Dead
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came out, and I wasn't a huge fan of it. Yeah.
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that's what kind of got me thinking then of early
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Raimi stuff. And I was like, well, you know what?
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Like for the show, I think it would be good
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to go back and, uh, and throw on a classic
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Raimi and just kind of show it. Like, I think
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my reason that I wasn't such a huge fan of
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the new evil dead is just, it just lacked that,
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that zaniness of classic Raimi that I kind of grew
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up with. And so that's fine. It's got its fans.
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That's totally cool. I'm just saying like, I expected a
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little bit of cheese, and it was a lot more
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serious than I kind of wanted from an Evil Dead film.
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But I don't want to harp on that too much. But,
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I mean, if you enjoy it, that's cool. I'm just saying.
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No, I think it's an absolutely fair criticism. Like, it's
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almost weird to call them Evil Dead movies. You know,
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from what I think you mentioned that before.
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If it was something else, I would be like, all right, cool. Right.
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So, like, if you call it, like, New Evil Dead,
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you know, I think they're... really doing well what they're
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trying to execute. They're nailing it. Body horror, grossness, you know,
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freak out to the max.
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Yeah.
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But, like, you're right. It's not a traditional Evil Dead movie.
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It doesn't have any of that, like, campy DNA into it.
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Right. And that's fine. I mean, it is what it is,
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and people like it. That's cool. But, yeah, I wanted
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to go back to early Raimi and kind of show
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you kind of the stuff that, you know, this movie
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hit when I was, what, probably, like, 13.
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So I thought you were going to say 48. Oh
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my God.
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Pretty much. It feels that way. But, uh, so, I mean, this,
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this movie came out in 1990, uh, a year after
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Tim Burton's Batman. Right. So we're going to kind of,
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as we go through it, we're going to kind of
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see some similarities between the two films. Yeah.
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Good to like set the stage for everybody here on
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kind of landscape was at the time.
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Exactly. So, and that, that was kind of my goal
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for the film and to talk about it is just
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be like, Let's look at the landscape of superhero films
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as of 1990.
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Yeah, and visually, keeping that in mind is nice. Because
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I don't know if they are trying to pay homage
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or if it's just direct inspiration. But you can see
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definitely there's some inspirations.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And that's what I want to talk
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about as we get into it. But before that, is
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there anything recently that you've seen at all that you
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want to talk about?
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Uh, yeah, I've seen a couple of new things that
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I can, I'll give you guys the quick, like save
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your money or, you know, make an effort to see
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this one, you know, type of review. Um, and Oak street,
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that one came out, we saw that me and Tracy
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and it's, it's fine. I would say it's aggressively average
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type of movie. It doesn't do anything terribly. Well, it
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doesn't do anything like very, you know, it doesn't do
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anything awfully. Um, but like, Well, I guess there's one
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thing it has going for it. Like visually the dinosaurs
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look cool. I think they look like they're trying to
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make an effort to be like very scientifically accurate on
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how we understand what they look like nowadays. So I
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think that is like strikingly like visually cool.
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But, uh, feathers and stuff mostly. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.
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Uh, so that's really, really neat. But otherwise, you know,
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that's really all I have like positive to say about
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that movie. Like I said, nothing terribly negative I have
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to say about it either, but that's, you know, if
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the only thing positive staying out that I have to
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say is the dinosaurs looks cool, you then, you know,
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save your money.
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Sure. Sure. Um, otherwise, or would you see it as
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part of the subscription? If you were like an AMC plus,
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would it be worth using one of your four movies
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on like per week? You know, you see four movies
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a week.
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So honestly, there's like Spider-Man and Odyssey and other cool
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stuff out right now. I honestly just see another one
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of those again for real.
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So if this would have come out at a different time,
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do you think it would have fared better?
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Uh, honestly, yeah. I mean, there's just like a lot
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of other bigger fish in the pond right now. I
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would think hell, like even Backroom and Obsession are still
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lingering in a lot of theaters still too, you know?
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So yeah, they're still making money. Right. You know, I
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remember seeing the trailers for End of Oak Street for
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like a month straight. Cause I mean, we went to
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the movies a lot and each time I'm like, well, it's,
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it looks okay. I mean, it's just, it's a weird concept,
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but I'm curious about it. Right. Um, but it was
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one of the things that's like, well, I'm not in
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a hurry to see it. But had it might have
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come out at a different time when there's not so
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much around it, maybe it'd do better.
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Yeah, I think that's fair. It's recently broken even in
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the box office, which means it's probably lost some money
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on marketing by the time it's all said and done.
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But I think you bring up a good point. If
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there was a little bit of a lull or anything
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like that, it's definitely worth going out just for the
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spectacle of it. I just think the bar is set
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really high where I'm just expecting a lot from my
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movies at the moment. We're just like heavy hitter after
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heavy hitter.
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Well, that's fair too, especially if you're going to spend
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the money to go to the theater because it is
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kind of expensive compared to normally. So I guess, yeah,
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that's kind of the question. Is it worth somebody seeing
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it that's not subscribed to AMC Plus, right? Negative. Probably not. Yeah,
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I wouldn't.
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If you're on the fence as an A-lister, I would
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say probably don't see it if you don't have a subscription. Yeah.
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I almost feel like I do want to see it eventually,
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but I feel like, you know, because we don't have
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dollar theaters anymore. We don't have second run movie theaters
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like we used to.
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Yeah.
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But I feel like something like this probably would have
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picked up some steam in a second run theater or
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a cheap matinee type thing.
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But I think so.
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That doesn't really exist now. It would probably just get
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dumped right to streaming, you know, and kind of get
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recouped from there. Yeah.
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Largely probably get forgotten about pretty quick after that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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The other movie I saw, though, was Insidious. I think
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the new one is called Out of the Further, I
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want to say. Okay.
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Is this the fourth or the fifth one?
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Dude, I think it might be the fifth or sixth.
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I'm not even kidding.
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I'm behind on my Insidious movies. I don't remember. I
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really should just start them again and just go through them,
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but maybe I've only seen the first couple.
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Because I think they did Insidious in chapter two and three.
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Then they had a couple subtitle ones after that, like
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The Red Door.
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Yeah, I didn't see that one.
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The Red Door was, I don't want to be too
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harsh for anyone that loves the series, but honestly, the
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movie is almost unwatchably boring.
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Dang.
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So I went into this next one with bars on
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the floor.
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Right.
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And I don't think this is a spoiler. I don't
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watch the trailers, but I don't think this is a spoiler.
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They leave the Lambert family behind. They're just focusing on
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a different family altogether. Yeah.
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Which I think was a fantastic move for the series.
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Just having totally like new story and characters and even
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like kind of supernatural occurrence interactions. And I guess kind
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of like new, it's like a new set of magic
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came in. There's new keywords and powers introduced.
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Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a new 32 page
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rule book you have to read first.
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Right. You need to know what a courier is now,
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you know, basically. What's a courier?
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Exactly.
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What the hell is even that? Yep.
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So it kind of felt like, and I'm going to
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borrow some words here from, like, my local movie theater
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guru guy, you know, who's been going there forever and ever. So, like,
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this guy knows his stuff. But he says this movie
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feels more like a modern Evil Dead movie. So... take that,
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you know, mileage may vary with that review, but it's
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like very body horror grossness, you know, like where it
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just really pushes the envelope for just torturing the hell
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out of the family, trying to survive everything. And the
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supernatural elements were cool too. Like the, using the astral
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plane and kind of expanding on that further space.
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Yeah. They're digging more into the lore.
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Yeah.
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Backstory and that kind of stuff, fleshing everything out.
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Right. And like interacting with it and a lot of pretty, unique,
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unexpected ways, which was, I think really what the series needed.
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It's hard with those kinds of things because sometimes, you know,
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if you expand the world building too much, you kind
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of lose some of the stuff that made the first
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couple ones good. But if you do it right, um,
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it could be done well too. So I totally agree.
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You don't want to like ruin the integrity of the
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first stories and be like, well, why didn't they do
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any of that stuff back then? If it existed the
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whole time, you know, you don't want to undermine anything, but,
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I think this series, this one did a good job of,
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you know, skirting that line well and executing it very well.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I think that's my rundown. Go see Insidious,
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skip Oak Street, seeing Harry Potter 25th anniversary stuff this weekend.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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That's coming out. Batman 89 is coming back. A ton
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of stuff's coming back in theaters.
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Yeah, dude.
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Yeah. I was just telling you, we were talking about the,
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it's the Star Trek 60th anniversary. So, It's like the
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first four films were being shown with like an original
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episode tagged onto them as well. Very cool. But I don't,
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there's no showtimes listed for pure air. So it's like,
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it's not playing in the big theater, but it's playing
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like over normal, like the small AMC. Hmm. That seems
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like an oversight.
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Did you check like a bunch of different days and
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see if I did?
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Yeah. I looked at opening day and everything. So, um,
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maybe it's a glitch, maybe it's not uploaded yet, but yeah,
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that seems like a missed opportunity.
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I agree. Like, this is the biggest theater in the region, like,
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or in the area, you know, why wouldn't we get this?
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I don't know, but I'm super excited. Why do we
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even live here? I'm just kidding. I'm super excited for, uh,
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Resident Evil coming up. So I hope it's going to
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be good.
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I know. I'm not even kidding. I like have been
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refreshing the AMC page like every day. Just to see
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like our tickets there yet.
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Yep. Yep. I hope it's good. We'll see. Uh, but anyway, um,
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this week then, like I said, uh, Darkman is what I, uh, picked.
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So they said this movie hit when I was, uh, um,
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teenager so as a lot of gen xers would probably
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uh attest to that this was probably uh a lot
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of people were probably aware of it back in the
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day i talked to a few of my friends recently
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about it because um it just seemed like oh you
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know if you watched it when's the last time you
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see it and i'm surprised that um a few of
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my friends that i thought had seen it actually didn't
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well or at least not until recently i know a
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few um uh friends of the show brian wolford's a
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big fan uh of course in uh But I was
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just like, did this movie... I feel like it had
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more of a cult following back in the day, but
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it seems like it's been kind of forgotten about in
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some aspects. And I think it's worth talking about to
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kind of bring it back into some awareness.
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Yeah, it's strange hearing people.
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Could be a Mandela effect, too. I don't know.
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You know, it would not come as a surprise to
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me at all if me and a bunch of people
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in my friend group... they hadn't seen this movie or
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really heard about it, but for you to say some
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of your friends haven't seen it, that just is a
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little shocking to me.
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A little bit.
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Especially coming from Sam Raimi.
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Yeah, I mean, a few people I know have seen it,
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but I don't know, this is one of those things,
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you know, even we would have, people would have rented
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it back in the day, I feel like. This would
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have been good on, like, you know, go to the
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video store and be like, oh, Darkman, I'll check that out.
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I don't know. I think the title is maybe the
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thing going against it the most. It just doesn't really
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convey anything, I don't feel. Or it doesn't convey enough.
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Well, that was kind of the mystery of it. And
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we'll get into it when we talk more later on
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as far as the behind the scenes of it. But
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one of the things is the marketing department really kind
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of understood it, right? So the teaser poster... It's a
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pretty iconic one, and it just says, Who is Darkman?
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With the poster through the letters. And when that debuted
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before the movie came out, it kind of generated some
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buzz because people were like, Oh, what's this about? Because
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like I said, Batman was a year before. Right. So
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we're already kind of getting accustomed to dark superhero films.
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Yeah, who is Darkman?
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Right. So you're like, okay, well, you had my curiosity.
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Now you've got my attention. Right. But throughout the... production,
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there were a lot of issues. And, uh, you know,
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to this day, it's one of those things that like
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Sam Raimi doesn't really like to talk about this movie
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a whole lot, probably because of the experiences that he
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had making it. Well, cause it was also his first
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studio film. Ah, so, uh, when you go from being
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like an indie creator to then working with a studio
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and then they have their own sort of demands and,
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you know, uh, their say on things, it kind of
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changes it a little bit. Right.
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Right. Definitely.
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Yeah. So, But it was, I think, the number one
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highest grossing movie for its opening weekend. So it did
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well enough. It got two direct-to-video sequels.
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Wow. Okay, well, the marketing department did way better than
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I thought. I honestly figured with how obscure this movie is,
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with how we talk about it now, this movie would
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have flopped hard, you know, just out of obscurity.
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Right. Also, let's just get into the casting here briefly.
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Cause I didn't tell you anything about this movie. Yeah.
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So when I'm blind, like I, yeah, from familiarity, just seriously,
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like I'm not, I had not even heard about it.
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Yeah. I wouldn't have expected you to hear about it, but, uh,
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who's the first person in the cast that popped up there? Yeah.
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Liam Neeson.
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Arkin Qui-Gon Jinn, Frank Draben Jr.
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You know, Qui-Gon Jim himself.
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Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.
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That shocked me. I was like, dude, I probably would
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have watched this movie forever ago if I had known
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it was a Liam Neeson movie.
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Yeah. And it's actually, too, this was Liam Neeson's first
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starring role. What? In a major movie. That's crazy. So, like,
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first lead role. Wow. And this movie, like I said,
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this was 1990. Three years from then, 1993, Liam Neeson
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would go on to win the Oscar for Best Actor
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with Schindler's List. Whoa. So, crazy journey, you know, just
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in a couple years.
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That's a sure, that's a meteoric rise.
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Yeah.
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Right there.
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Yeah.
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So. Dang, good for him. That's awesome.
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Yeah. So we've got, I would say we've got Liam Neeson.
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We've got Frances McDormand, who a lot of people would
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know from a lot of the Coen Brothers films, like
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Raising Arizona and Fargo, most notably.
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Is he like the businessman?
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No, she plays Julie, the girlfriend.
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What's the person's name?
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Frances McDormand. Frances. Yeah.
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I thought Frances was a dude.
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Well, he does steal Pee-wee's bike, but that's Pee-wee's big adventure.
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See, I thought it was just the same person.
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Oh, no. Well, there might be some makeup on or
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some kind of prosthetic.
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Hollywood, I mean, what can you say?
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Yeah, it was the 90s. What are you going to do? Exactly.
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It was the style at the time.
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It was the style at the time, tying an onion
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to your belt. But anyway, yeah, so that's a little
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bit of the back story. We'll get into it a
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little bit later, so. What I thought I'd do is
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just kind of run through the plot here, and it's
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the same Raimi film, so it's a little cheesy, right?
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Delightfully so.
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Yeah, that's what I like about it. So we're going
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to make this read-through just a little cheesy, too, because
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that's kind of what it demands, really.
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Right, wouldn't have it any other way.
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Exactly. So, again, this movie takes place in 1990. Of course,
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it was made in 90. So the fashions are very
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much of the early 90s, right? We start the movie
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out with a drug deal that's going down between a
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couple rival gangster gangs here. And the first guy we see,
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a gangster by the name of Eddie Black, he's got
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a very 1990 Dougie Fresh style flat top that he's
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rocking and a real nice cashmere coat. Just... you know,
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classy gangsters, right?
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Right, yeah, when there was still a little bit of respect.
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Yeah.
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Honor amongst thieves.
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Yeah, and he's talking on a cellular telephone in 1990,
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which was big time. For real. You got a cell
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phone then. That's wild.
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Like, not even joking. Like, whenever I was even doing
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Scream for 19, like, late 90s, I was like. Yeah,
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I was like. it was a big deal then that
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this kid has a cell phone. That's kind of suspicious,
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you know, pointing that as a clue for him being
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a murderer. So, like, this is even before that.
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Yep. It's crazy, isn't it?
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Mm-hmm.
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So Doug E. Fresh is talking on his cellular telephone
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as rival gangster Robert Durant pulls up with his crew.
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Robert Durant is... I forgot to mention him earlier. We
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were talking about casting. But a lot of Gen Xers
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would probably be Familiar with him. So the actor's name
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is Larry Drake. And before he made before he was
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in darkman uh larry drake was on a show called
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la law which was huge in the 80s um so
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he played a recurring attorney on that for a long
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long time but also too um larry drake was in
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in 1992 he was in uh one of the uh
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best cheesy horror films of the time called dr giggles Hmm.
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So, uh, does not sound like a horror movie.
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No, it's a Dr. Giggles is great. Cause he's like, uh,
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it's like a crazy dude that thinks he's a doctor
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and comes to town. Whereas, uh, where his dad was
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killed and just starts murdering people and, uh, does all
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this kind of crazy shit. It's, it's a, it's a
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crazy movie. Yeah.
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It sounds like a fever dream.
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Yeah. He's just one of those actors that always like he,
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he played a crazy, uh, intense characters. And he's just
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got like a, I don't know. He's a, he's a,
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he's a great villain. I would say.
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Yeah.
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He looks weird. Yeah. So, uh, but anyway, so Larry
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Drake and his crew pull up. Right. And all these
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gangsters are getting out and they've all got, uh, they're,
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they're like walking into the warehouse right here and they've
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all got like a bunch of guns and there's a
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guy swinging nunchucks then of course.
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Yeah.
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Because it was 1990 and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was
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all the rage. So, you know, every nunchucks were everywhere
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except at school cause they were banned.
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Yeah, duh.
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I mean, we all know that, Wes. Obviously. So Doug E.
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Fresh's crew comes up to him, and they start searching
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for weapons. And they're just dropping guns on the ground
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as the camera's, like, passing over them, right? And it's like,
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that's your first clue that this movie's kind of cheesy,
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because this is very much like a naked gun sort
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of bit. For real. They're, like, searching, and it's just, like, there's, like,
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50 guns, you know, just falling. And, like, there's another
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pair of nunchucks that falls out. Oh, yeah. Somebody else
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on the rival gang brought nunchucks. Because they're like, hey,
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is that other guy that's got nunchucks, is he going
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to be there?
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Yeah, can't be lacking.
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Yeah. I want to fight that guy with his nunchucks.
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Yeah, it is an absurd amount of weapons.
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Yeah. So Durant's crew is escorted into the warehouse to
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meet up with Eddie's crew, of course. And now we
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see that Eddie's got a lot more goons upstairs because
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as the camera's passing by, a lot of people are
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popping up, you know, pointing guns at the crew and everything.
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So.
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the rival gang square off and, uh, Eddie asks, uh,
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like the, it looks like the second in command guy
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or third in command guy, uh, about his leg. He's
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like bum leg. And, uh, he says no leg. He
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says no leg. And he just knocks on it. It's hollow,
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you know, just, um, and then like, just, I love
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this bit. It's just such a dumb joke, but it's
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so funny. Cause he's like, uh, And he's like, you know,
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I was engaged to a girl with a wooden leg once.
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The guy's like, yeah? He's like, yeah. Had to break
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it off. And everybody's laughing.
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And he's like, all right, cut the crap. So let's
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get to business. Yeah, it's like, dude, you just made
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the fucking joke. What do you mean?
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So even back then, like, rival gangsters had a sense
485
00:22:47.789 --> 00:22:51.460
of decorum to have an icebreaker joke, you know, to
486
00:22:51.500 --> 00:22:54.640
start the meeting off, right? I just think it's funny.
487
00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.119
There's just a way of doing things.
488
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.480
Is this a way of doing things?
489
00:22:57.500 --> 00:22:57.740
I don't know.
490
00:22:57.779 --> 00:22:59.740
It's just the way the script is written. And I
491
00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:01.930
find it funny because that's the kind of stuff that
492
00:23:02.049 --> 00:23:05.109
Ramey and his friends were writing back then. You know,
493
00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:07.269
these guys grew up watching Three Stooges and all that
494
00:23:07.289 --> 00:23:08.109
kind of stuff.
495
00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:10.369
I just like the 180 the guy does. Like, he's
496
00:23:10.390 --> 00:23:11.750
just like, ha, ha, ha, all right.
497
00:23:11.990 --> 00:23:13.829
Yeah, he's like, all right, cut the crap. Yeah, yep.
498
00:23:14.410 --> 00:23:18.440
Let's start the meeting. Good, yeah. It's like if everyone's
499
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:19.960
talking on a Teams call and then all of a
500
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.099
sudden the person that's hosting the meeting, they just get
501
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:23.859
into it and you're like, oh, fuck, okay, I guess
502
00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:24.240
we're going.
503
00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:24.759
Yep.
504
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:32.309
So, but anyway, yeah, so. No leg. Then it's in there.
505
00:23:33.390 --> 00:23:36.509
And Eddie tells Durant, basically, he's like, I'm not selling
506
00:23:36.529 --> 00:23:39.150
my property to you. You know, you ain't getting shit
507
00:23:39.470 --> 00:23:41.490
kind of thing. So we know that Durant's after him
508
00:23:41.539 --> 00:23:47.019
for something. And then Durant flashes the signal. And another
509
00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:50.759
one of his goons grabs No Leg's wooden leg, which
510
00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.880
has a tiny submachine gun hidden in it. Because, of course,
511
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:58.230
it does. And so he proceeds to like kill all
512
00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:03.309
of Eddie's gangster friends. And then we see no leg
513
00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:07.009
just hopping on his remaining leg just in the background
514
00:24:07.049 --> 00:24:09.910
while this stuff's going on forever. Yeah, because that's the
515
00:24:09.930 --> 00:24:10.799
sense of humor, right?
516
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:15.119
I think eventually like a guy holds his hand out
517
00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:15.380
or something.
518
00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:16.900
Yeah, he holds his hand out and he's just like
519
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:20.069
balancing on it, you know? So then Eddie gives the signal,
520
00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:22.890
and then two cars full of goons come flying out
521
00:24:22.930 --> 00:24:27.490
of these shipping containers. They've just been hidden in the garage.
522
00:24:27.690 --> 00:24:29.549
Yeah, I called bullshit on that scene. I was like,
523
00:24:30.049 --> 00:24:31.809
there's no way those cars have been in that small
524
00:24:31.829 --> 00:24:33.970
little space just on this whole time.
525
00:24:33.990 --> 00:24:37.470
Of course they were. Yeah, they were just getting carbon
526
00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:41.349
monoxide poisoning and smoking cigarettes the whole time. It was 1990.
527
00:24:41.329 --> 00:24:43.109
Where were you? Everybody did that.
528
00:24:43.269 --> 00:24:44.450
That's how you feel alive.
529
00:24:44.470 --> 00:24:48.670
Right. Exactly. Exactly. But, yeah, we get a pretty cool
530
00:24:48.690 --> 00:24:52.420
little car chase here just right off the bat. Just
531
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.759
two basically like old, you know, Crown Victoria type big
532
00:24:57.819 --> 00:25:01.680
ass boats of cars driving through a warehouse, firing machine
533
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:06.470
guns and crashing into the various boxes and circular barrels
534
00:25:06.529 --> 00:25:11.390
that you keep in a warehouse. Naturally. Naturally. It's pretty
535
00:25:11.430 --> 00:25:14.339
good for like a. I wouldn't say low budget film,
536
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.589
but for, um, a first studio film, like that's a
537
00:25:18.650 --> 00:25:23.309
pretty good grasp on, uh, you doing some good solid action,
538
00:25:23.569 --> 00:25:25.750
I would say. Yeah. I mean, it's well directed.
539
00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:27.589
I was going to like, even to that point, I
540
00:25:27.609 --> 00:25:30.109
was going to say, it's like, definitely you could tell, like,
541
00:25:30.170 --> 00:25:32.170
I thought this scene was like, Hey, we have a
542
00:25:32.190 --> 00:25:33.910
little bit of a budget we're working with here. You know,
543
00:25:33.930 --> 00:25:35.490
we got some, we're cooking. Yeah.
544
00:25:36.130 --> 00:25:38.930
And it's, you know, again, 1990, so very early era
545
00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:41.390
for digital effects. So, I mean, this is all done with,
546
00:25:41.670 --> 00:25:43.569
you know, stunt men and shit like that. So there's
547
00:25:43.750 --> 00:25:47.539
cars driving really close to people and, uh, doing some
548
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.740
crazy shit. Right. Uh, so they're driving around and shooting
549
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.700
all the goons and Durant. Uh, he kind of, uh,
550
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.980
spend some action points and, uh, he takes out one
551
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.819
of the drivers I called eye patch goon. So he
552
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.440
takes out eye patch goon. And then that guy's car
553
00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:06.559
like flips over and crashes. And then he, uh, shoots
554
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:12.339
headband goon. Whoa. Who also crashes his car. So I'm
555
00:26:12.380 --> 00:26:15.480
sure they got names, but I like mine better. Yeah,
556
00:26:15.529 --> 00:26:19.630
me too. So so then Durant and his crew, obviously
557
00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:22.250
they've wiped out Eddie's crew and they're coming up to
558
00:26:22.289 --> 00:26:24.369
square up with Eddie. And then here's no leg and
559
00:26:24.390 --> 00:26:28.910
he's hopping in the background, which is hilarious. And then
560
00:26:28.950 --> 00:26:31.410
we see, you know, Durant, he's he's got a cigar cutter.
561
00:26:32.509 --> 00:26:36.240
He's always smoking cigars and he's always cutting cigars. He's
562
00:26:36.259 --> 00:26:39.869
not always smoking them. But you know where this is going. Yeah.
563
00:26:39.990 --> 00:26:40.849
Cutting the fingers.
564
00:26:41.089 --> 00:26:42.529
I mean, literally every time I see one of those
565
00:26:42.589 --> 00:26:43.470
in a movie, I'm like, no.
566
00:26:44.410 --> 00:26:46.490
You know. Yeah. If you see a cigar cutter in
567
00:26:46.509 --> 00:26:48.440
a film, you know what's going to happen. For real.
568
00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:51.380
So. Freaking, you're going to lose a finger or like
569
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.500
they're going to threaten a finger at the very least.
570
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:59.319
Yeah. So with that, then we cut right to the credits. And,
571
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.349
you know, because that was kind of our opening teaser scene, right?
572
00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:04.210
Whenever I hear like cut to the credits, I think
573
00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.410
of just like the movie ends and it's like, we're
574
00:27:06.430 --> 00:27:06.769
done here.
575
00:27:07.289 --> 00:27:10.009
Yep. Just leave. Just walk out of the room.
576
00:27:10.670 --> 00:27:11.130
Different era.
577
00:27:11.890 --> 00:27:15.190
Yeah. Uh, but yeah, so we get the amazing Danny
578
00:27:15.230 --> 00:27:19.990
Elfman score. This is again, 1990, uh, give you a
579
00:27:19.990 --> 00:27:21.910
little bit of context, uh, cause my friends and I
580
00:27:21.950 --> 00:27:28.039
were big Elfman fans, um, still are. Yeah. Um, but
581
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.700
we were listening to, um, Danny Elfman had published an
582
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:33.779
album at this point, music for a darkened theater, uh,
583
00:27:34.369 --> 00:27:37.539
which kind of collected a lot of his early scores
584
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.539
and stuff at the time.
585
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.200
So I didn't know that existed. That's just like a
586
00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:42.180
cool title for it too.
587
00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:44.559
Oh, totally. Well, there's two volumes. So he did, uh,
588
00:27:44.619 --> 00:27:46.740
he did two volumes of them. Um, you can find
589
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:50.460
them on streaming services and stuff too. But, um, just
590
00:27:50.509 --> 00:27:52.130
to give you kind of an idea at up to
591
00:27:52.170 --> 00:27:55.650
this point, these are, these are the films that elf
592
00:27:55.750 --> 00:27:59.069
elfman had scored, um, before coming up to dark man.
593
00:27:59.089 --> 00:28:03.009
So we had Peewee's big adventure back to school, Beetlejuice
594
00:28:03.150 --> 00:28:07.970
midnight run, Big Top Pee Wee, Scrooged, Batman, Nightbreed, and
595
00:28:08.019 --> 00:28:10.420
Dick Tracy. And then Darkman.
596
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.160
I would have maybe have gotten Beetlejuice, and I knew Batman.
597
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:15.759
And that's fine.
598
00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:16.190
That's it.
599
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.799
I don't expect you to know the other ones. I'm
600
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.400
just saying those are big Gen X movies.
601
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.869
Yeah, I mean, that's like a solid count. I know
602
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.450
of those movies, so that's a nice list already.
603
00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:27.890
Right. And then right after Darkman, he'd go on to
604
00:28:27.930 --> 00:28:29.029
score Edward Scissorhands.
605
00:28:29.769 --> 00:28:30.250
Nice.
606
00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:32.869
And then also, too, at this time, he'd done the
607
00:28:32.890 --> 00:28:33.869
theme song for The Simpsons.
608
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:34.619
Heck yeah.
609
00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:37.259
Right. So you go from Oingo Boingo in the early
610
00:28:37.619 --> 00:28:41.460
80s up to like 1995. And then you witness Elfman's,
611
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:46.369
you know, musical composition score type career start to take
612
00:28:46.450 --> 00:28:46.789
off too.
613
00:28:47.130 --> 00:28:50.009
For sure. I mean, he eventually like they reunite again
614
00:28:50.089 --> 00:28:51.950
with Spider-Man eventually.
615
00:28:52.009 --> 00:28:52.410
Exactly.
616
00:28:52.690 --> 00:28:56.410
And his sound is so iconic. Like whenever you're coming
617
00:28:56.450 --> 00:29:01.309
out of the theater headspace for Batman, 1989 Batman. And
618
00:29:01.329 --> 00:29:04.190
you're watching that, and then you watch this. There's just
619
00:29:04.289 --> 00:29:08.890
no question. Danny Elfman is here. His fingerprint's all over it.
620
00:29:08.910 --> 00:29:13.480
There's that one scene. I don't want to dump the gun,
621
00:29:13.539 --> 00:29:15.160
but it's just like, man, am I in Gotham right now?
622
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:17.799
I can just feel it's so well synced with the
623
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.839
visuals and his score. It seriously feels like a Batman scene.
624
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.940
Yeah, and again, I'm going to bring this up a lot,
625
00:29:23.009 --> 00:29:27.190
but this is a year after Batman 89. So, I mean,
626
00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:29.049
it was still fresh in a lot of people's heads
627
00:29:29.089 --> 00:29:31.130
at this point. Like, a lot of them probably had
628
00:29:31.779 --> 00:29:35.089
purchased the videocassette at this point. They were watching Batman,
629
00:29:35.089 --> 00:29:38.099
so they were familiar with Danny Elfman's music. And then
630
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:40.519
you you get to dark man and it's like, yeah,
631
00:29:40.539 --> 00:29:43.319
this sounds very similar to Batman, but in a good way.
632
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.299
Yeah, exactly. And I think it's really cool that it's
633
00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:47.750
a year after. So he like kind of got to
634
00:29:48.089 --> 00:29:49.789
work on it over here and then just do like
635
00:29:49.809 --> 00:29:51.809
a second crack at it over this way. So I
636
00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:53.650
just think it, he, I don't want to say learn
637
00:29:53.670 --> 00:29:56.670
from any mistakes cause I don't want to say there's
638
00:29:56.690 --> 00:29:59.690
any mistakes for 89 Batman, you know, but, it's nice
639
00:29:59.710 --> 00:30:01.690
that he got a second draft at it too, you know?
640
00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:05.309
Well, it's also too, it's like, okay, it's a chance
641
00:30:05.390 --> 00:30:10.769
to do something kind of like Batman, but also like
642
00:30:11.009 --> 00:30:13.730
a little bit more dark.
643
00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:14.390
Right.
644
00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:15.109
So to speak.
645
00:30:15.230 --> 00:30:17.079
Like refine it down a little bit more. Yeah.
646
00:30:17.430 --> 00:30:20.700
Yeah. And we'll get into the history and like the
647
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.380
influence of this character later on, because there's some, I
648
00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:26.539
think there's an interesting conversation to be had as far
649
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.890
as the Batman angle is Yeah.
650
00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:32.589
We will revisit that. We'll take a drink every time
651
00:30:32.630 --> 00:30:33.410
we mention Batman.
652
00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:36.190
Yeah, I want to come back to that. So we
653
00:30:36.230 --> 00:30:41.319
meet scientist Peyton Westlake, played by Liam Neeson. He's feeding
654
00:30:42.339 --> 00:30:47.839
photos of noses into a printer that then goes to
655
00:30:47.859 --> 00:30:53.140
a computer to generate holographic 3D-printed noses in 1990. That's
656
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:53.660
big stuff.
657
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:59.359
Honestly, there was a... Computer graphics, special effects type things
658
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.039
in there. And I was like, whoa, look at that.
659
00:31:01.059 --> 00:31:02.539
I mean, there's some polygons.
660
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:02.880
Yeah.
661
00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:03.180
Wow.
662
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:04.299
I know, right?
663
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.180
It's actually like, it's 1990, so it looked like ass.
664
00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:09.480
But the fact that it was even there and worked
665
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.799
in the movie was just kind of cool, you know?
666
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.329
How dare you? How dare you?
667
00:31:14.369 --> 00:31:16.769
Say it looked like ass? Yeah. It did look like ass.
668
00:31:16.849 --> 00:31:20.809
I know. Look, they had like 60 polygons on that.
669
00:31:20.930 --> 00:31:23.390
There's that one screen. It shows the face and it
670
00:31:23.410 --> 00:31:25.730
says like 60 polygons. It's like.
671
00:31:26.829 --> 00:31:28.630
That's as much as a Tony Hawk character had.
672
00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:31.789
Yeah. Look, man, it's 1990. Like, we had just gotten
673
00:31:31.809 --> 00:31:35.319
Super Mario 3. We were still on sprite pixel graphics.
674
00:31:36.019 --> 00:31:39.579
We didn't get polygons like this until, like, 1992 when
675
00:31:39.619 --> 00:31:40.519
Star Fox came out.
676
00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:42.819
We had eight polygons, and we loved them.
677
00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:45.559
Exactly. Eight polygons uphill both ways.
678
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:47.359
We had names for all of them.
679
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.039
It was pretty easy. There were only eight of them.
680
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.099
So. It's like inky, blinky, pinky.
681
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:58.130
Pretty much, yeah. Same stick. Yep. But yeah, so again,
682
00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:03.890
I guess the theme of this is it's slightly cheesy, right?
683
00:32:04.089 --> 00:32:09.759
Like you're printing body parts holographically through a 3D printer,
684
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.180
which now is not so uncommon, right? Like we're going
685
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.259
to get there at some point in the future. We
686
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.559
could just 3D print new parts for ourselves, I'm sure.
687
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:17.759
Yep, soon.
688
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.900
Soon. But in 1990, yeah, it was pretty forward, I guess,
689
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.640
to be like, okay. I mean, it's more fantastical, you know.
690
00:32:26.230 --> 00:32:29.279
Yeah, I like the science fiction sort of element to it.
691
00:32:29.430 --> 00:32:32.789
Yeah, it's, yeah, science horror almost kind of thing, right?
692
00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:35.869
Yeah, some stuff, you know, Fantastic Four might be, you know,
693
00:32:36.109 --> 00:32:36.990
cooking up in their lab.
694
00:32:37.009 --> 00:32:41.710
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But, yeah, you can't seem to get the...
695
00:32:41.569 --> 00:32:43.769
He takes a sample, and he looks at it through
696
00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:48.329
a microscope, and at about the 99-minute mark, the cells
697
00:32:48.369 --> 00:32:52.039
start to destabilize, and everything just kind of melts into
698
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.819
a goo. Ugh. So then... You know, Qui-Gon's sitting there
699
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.539
and he's just like, why? Why? Why?
700
00:32:59.640 --> 00:32:59.819
Why?
701
00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:02.119
He says it like three times, which is hilarious. It's
702
00:33:02.140 --> 00:33:03.839
very melodramatic, right?
703
00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:04.539
Why, Mr.
704
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:04.980
Anderson?
705
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:06.039
Why do you persist?
706
00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:08.279
Yeah, it's that kind of thing, right? For real.
707
00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:10.940
Yeah, I got like not even kidding. I couldn't not hear.
708
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.039
It took me a second to get out of the
709
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:16.079
Qui-Gon Jinn sort of headspace hearing him, especially from the 90s.
710
00:33:16.109 --> 00:33:19.369
And see, he wouldn't have had this problem if he
711
00:33:19.390 --> 00:33:21.869
would have sent a sample to Obi-Wan for a midichlorian count.
712
00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:22.589
Just saying.
713
00:33:23.410 --> 00:33:24.329
Dog, where were you?
714
00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:29.930
I know, right? So anyway, later that night, then Peyton's
715
00:33:29.970 --> 00:33:33.289
chilling at home with his girlfriend, Julie, played by Frances McDormand.
716
00:33:34.910 --> 00:33:38.650
They're sitting there, as everyone did back in 1990. They
717
00:33:38.930 --> 00:33:40.970
pour themselves a couple glasses of wine, and they get
718
00:33:41.009 --> 00:33:44.089
out the old slide projector, and they start watching old
719
00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:45.819
slides of themselves.
720
00:33:47.190 --> 00:33:48.079
Some of us still do that.
721
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:53.460
Right, exactly. Yeah, who doesn't? But we've established now these
722
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:58.079
two characters, they have a very loving relationship. right? Like, um,
723
00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:01.589
there's a, there's a good amount of, uh, depth here,
724
00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:04.670
you know, on display for, for both of the characters.
725
00:34:04.809 --> 00:34:06.890
Which I think is cool. Like a genuine, you know,
726
00:34:06.910 --> 00:34:07.990
like they, they care about each other.
727
00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:12.570
Yeah. Genuine is a good way to put it. Yeah. So, um,
728
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:18.179
but yeah, next morning, uh, Peyton brings Julie coffee in bed.
729
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.940
She's talking on the phone with her boss and sets
730
00:34:20.980 --> 00:34:25.360
coffee down on some papers and she's, uh, you know,
731
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:28.840
kind of brushing them off because she's telling, I'm assuming
732
00:34:28.889 --> 00:34:30.489
she's talking to her boss on the phone or something.
733
00:34:31.429 --> 00:34:33.110
And she's like, you know, I found something I wasn't
734
00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:38.090
supposed to find, which is this Belisarius memo that's talking
735
00:34:38.110 --> 00:34:42.010
about payments to a local zoning commission. So, you know, bribes, payoffs,
736
00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:44.949
all that good stuff. But she's like, you know what,
737
00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:47.889
I'm going to give the, I'm going to talk to
738
00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:50.969
the guy that wrote it. A guy's name is Louis Strack.
739
00:34:51.010 --> 00:34:53.989
He's like a real estate developer, right? She's like, I'm
740
00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:55.570
going to give him a chance, give him the benefit
741
00:34:55.590 --> 00:34:57.090
of the doubt, see what happens.
742
00:34:57.889 --> 00:35:00.610
Whenever I saw the scene, I lost points for Liam
743
00:35:00.630 --> 00:35:03.469
Neeson here. I was like, dude, you have no regard
744
00:35:03.510 --> 00:35:05.659
for her work. Why would you just set a piece
745
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.579
of coffee down or a cup of coffee down on
746
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.300
her document? Like, that's her work papers, dude. Why would
747
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.039
you do that? There's a big old coffee ring on it.
748
00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:12.940
I would have been so pissed.
749
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:13.940
There you go. Yeah.
750
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.659
Like, that probably took $ 100 worth of printer ink, you know?
751
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:18.739
Oh, totally.
752
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:18.960
Yeah.
753
00:35:18.980 --> 00:35:21.260
Back then, it took five hours to print it. Exactly.
754
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.139
Yeah. He just sets a coffee down on it. I'm
755
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:24.639
so pissed.
756
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.159
It's just, it's one of those, I get where we're
757
00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:29.280
coming from, but it's also like, it's a very theatrical
758
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.719
thing because, you know, after he puts it down, she
759
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.260
picks it up. Um, before that scene ends, it kind
760
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.869
of zooms in on that memo and we see the
761
00:35:35.889 --> 00:35:36.449
coffee stain.
762
00:35:36.469 --> 00:35:38.230
So it's just like, good way to show the audience.
763
00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:40.829
This is how you identify it. Right? Like this, here's
764
00:35:40.889 --> 00:35:44.010
the MacGuffin, you know, this is, this is what you're
765
00:35:44.030 --> 00:35:44.429
looking for.
766
00:35:44.449 --> 00:35:45.269
I get that.
767
00:35:45.329 --> 00:35:50.199
But yeah, I gave her sand though. Disrespect. Yeah. So anyway, uh,
768
00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:54.690
Julie leaves for work. Peyton chases her down. He's like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
769
00:35:54.829 --> 00:35:57.070
He's like, I've been doing some thinking. I think we
770
00:35:57.090 --> 00:36:00.250
should get married. It's like, ooh, that's kind of sudden.
771
00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:01.570
Yeah, very.
772
00:36:01.750 --> 00:36:06.110
Yeah. But he's, you know, he's kind of emotional, right?
773
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:09.639
We get that impression like he's a very loving and
774
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.219
emotional person, right? And he's like, no, no, no. Like,
775
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:15.579
I think it's a great idea, whatever. And she's hailing
776
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:17.940
a cab. She's like, no. She's like, I can't talk
777
00:36:17.980 --> 00:36:20.440
about it right now. You know, we've got this memo
778
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.510
thing going on, so. um but she's got to think
779
00:36:23.530 --> 00:36:24.789
it over so cab leaves.
780
00:36:25.750 --> 00:36:28.010
Which is uh you know not the answer you're looking
781
00:36:28.050 --> 00:36:29.670
for after yeah exactly you know if you have to
782
00:36:29.710 --> 00:36:33.539
think about it that kind of says no in my.
783
00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:38.340
Opinion yeah yeah uh so we cut to julie in
784
00:36:38.739 --> 00:36:42.179
uh mr strack's office and she's talking about the memo
785
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.769
she's like you know i ran across this what is
786
00:36:44.809 --> 00:36:48.820
this and then There's that moment where he's like, oh, shit,
787
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.579
the memo. He's like, yes, it's about bribes and payoffs
788
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.940
that I did. He's very upfront about it.
789
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.570
Literally like, you got me hand in the cookie jar.
790
00:37:00.469 --> 00:37:04.110
But he's like, but it's all worth it because take
791
00:37:04.150 --> 00:37:07.269
a look at this. And he points over to this model,
792
00:37:07.730 --> 00:37:09.730
the city of the future that he's trying to build.
793
00:37:11.789 --> 00:37:15.960
And for me, this was three years after RoboCop came out.
794
00:37:16.409 --> 00:37:18.320
And so I was kind of like, this is kind
795
00:37:18.340 --> 00:37:21.300
of like the same as Delta City that OCP was
796
00:37:21.340 --> 00:37:24.820
trying to make in RoboCop. But again, it kind of
797
00:37:24.860 --> 00:37:28.179
helps when you're making like a dystopian future type thing.
798
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.360
You've got somebody trying to build like a future city
799
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:33.559
or some shit, right? Yeah, it's very cyberpunk-esque.
800
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.659
Yeah, good like villain sort of motivation.
801
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.519
Villain motivation is good. Yeah, it's a good way to
802
00:37:38.539 --> 00:37:43.739
put it. But basically, Strack is talking to Julius Hayek. Well,
803
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.590
do you know who robert durant is because he's very
804
00:37:47.650 --> 00:37:49.530
dangerous and i think he would do anything to get
805
00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:52.789
his hands on the memo because apparently they only have
806
00:37:52.989 --> 00:37:54.409
one copy of this memo.
807
00:37:54.829 --> 00:37:58.110
I mean we already established the printer situation exactly.
808
00:37:57.809 --> 00:38:00.449
Yeah again it was 1990 so i tied an onion
809
00:38:00.469 --> 00:38:03.679
to my belt and i didn't actually wasn't able to
810
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.519
email it because the file was too big it was
811
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:06.719
three kilobytes.
812
00:38:06.579 --> 00:38:09.079
So i tied a printer to my belt exactly the
813
00:38:09.099 --> 00:38:11.000
style exactly.
814
00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:14.070
Uh, but anyway, yeah. So he's basically kind of threatening Julie.
815
00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:17.739
It's like, look, you wouldn't want anything to happen, you know? Uh,
816
00:38:17.750 --> 00:38:20.250
then we cut back to Dr. Westlake. He's back looking
817
00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:23.280
through his microscopes. Uh, he's got an assistant that's, uh,
818
00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:26.469
helping him out too. And they're kind of studying it.
819
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.840
And then at about the 98 minute mark, the power
820
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.440
goes out. Oh, but this just might be what the
821
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:36.420
doctor ordered because then they're looking through the microscopes and
822
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.989
they're like, it's what time is it? Like it's, 100 minutes.
823
00:38:41.329 --> 00:38:43.449
Oh my God, we did it. You know, like they're,
824
00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:47.969
they're super overjoyed. So basically, uh, the darkness is kind
825
00:38:48.010 --> 00:38:49.840
of the issue or is the answer, right?
826
00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:52.530
Yeah. That's yeah. It gives them like the, the clue there.
827
00:38:52.570 --> 00:38:54.480
Like they don't really know why it's working or not working.
828
00:38:54.500 --> 00:38:56.139
They just know it has something to do with light. Yeah.
829
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:58.719
Yeah. So the one guy, like the assistant is like,
830
00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:03.920
he's ready to celebrate and everything. And, um, Frank Drebin Jr.
831
00:39:03.980 --> 00:39:06.059
Is just kind of like, you know, this is just
832
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.380
one piece of the puzzle. We got to start from
833
00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:10.570
scratch again, but now we know, new things so let's
834
00:39:10.590 --> 00:39:13.710
see what happens you know uh but just then uh
835
00:39:15.030 --> 00:39:18.139
the celebration is cut short by a couple of the
836
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.280
goons coming in durant's goons um so we have uh
837
00:39:21.380 --> 00:39:24.280
paulie who i kind of referred to as dollar tree
838
00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:27.309
hank because he looks like hank from breaking bad just
839
00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:31.880
you know random uh big bald guy. He looks like
840
00:39:31.940 --> 00:39:32.320
a goon.
841
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.130
Kind of reminds me if Hitchcock and Scully somehow fused
842
00:39:37.150 --> 00:39:38.690
together from Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
843
00:39:39.650 --> 00:39:40.130
I could see that.
844
00:39:40.150 --> 00:39:42.309
If they just morphed together into one person. That's what
845
00:39:42.349 --> 00:39:43.829
this guy looks like to me.
846
00:39:44.570 --> 00:39:47.309
I swear I've seen this guy in a couple of
847
00:39:47.329 --> 00:39:49.860
their movies, and I want to say that I feel
848
00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:52.000
like he was in the naked gun for like a
849
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.030
split second as a goon because I feel like I
850
00:39:55.070 --> 00:39:57.469
remember a guy that looked like him. I haven't watched
851
00:39:57.489 --> 00:39:59.070
the movie for a while, but I remember somebody like
852
00:39:59.250 --> 00:40:01.300
eating a hot dog and pulling a finger out of it.
853
00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:03.190
And I think it was the same actor.
854
00:40:03.429 --> 00:40:03.889
Weird.
855
00:40:04.150 --> 00:40:04.369
Yeah.
856
00:40:04.650 --> 00:40:07.239
But that literally could be a fever dream. I know
857
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:07.980
I use that term.
858
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.860
It could be. Again, it's probably a Mandela effect from
859
00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:13.000
the previous timeline that we were on before we switched
860
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:13.719
over the.
861
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.800
Good timeline when we were on route for the good
862
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.760
ending back in the good old days.
863
00:40:17.900 --> 00:40:18.159
Right.
864
00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:18.639
Yeah.
865
00:40:19.550 --> 00:40:21.909
Yeah, unfortunately, we're locked in and can't load our previous saves.
866
00:40:21.989 --> 00:40:24.730
No! We didn't have enough save ribbons.
867
00:40:24.769 --> 00:40:29.119
No. Damn ink ribbons. So anyway, yeah, Dollar Tree Hank
868
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:33.699
and his goons show up, including No Leg. No Leg.
869
00:40:34.550 --> 00:40:36.780
who hops into the picture. So like, he's still there,
870
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.940
you know, we're still, we're still beating that, uh, dead
871
00:40:39.980 --> 00:40:41.599
horse of a joke for just a split second.
872
00:40:41.619 --> 00:40:43.099
Like they didn't give him a crutch or a cane
873
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:43.619
or nothing.
874
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:47.400
Yeah. No, they didn't give him anything. It was just hopping. Yeah. Like, Hey,
875
00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:49.340
we need that gun again. So he's just walking around
876
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:49.980
with a gun leg.
877
00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:50.239
Yep.
878
00:40:51.019 --> 00:40:55.500
So, um, but anyway, uh, they beat up Dr. Westlake.
879
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.000
You know, it's very melodramatic and, um, Robert Durant's there
880
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.400
and he's cutting his cigar as he does. He's looking
881
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.900
for the Belisarius memo, of course. And Westlake pops up
882
00:41:06.940 --> 00:41:09.460
in a very melodramatic fashion and is like, I don't
883
00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:12.420
know what you're talking about. And then Dollar Tree Hank
884
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.800
roughs him up some more. They're throwing him through the
885
00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:19.920
glass cabinets and all that shit. Throwing the equipment on him,
886
00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:25.119
breaking his legs, everything, whatever. So then, of course, to
887
00:41:25.170 --> 00:41:28.869
show that he's not messing around, Durant orders Westlake's assistant
888
00:41:28.889 --> 00:41:31.869
to be ventilated because then they put a plastic bag
889
00:41:31.909 --> 00:41:36.420
around his head And goon, I guess goon number two,
890
00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:38.679
you would say, or maybe goon number one, the character's
891
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.699
name is Rick, but it is played by Ted Ramey,
892
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:47.460
who's Sam's brother. Yep. So... Obligatory. Obligatory Ted Ramey, yep.
893
00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:52.119
So Ted Ramey ventilates him and shoots his assistant, and
894
00:41:52.179 --> 00:41:55.590
then Durant finds the memo. Because for some reason, like,
895
00:41:56.469 --> 00:42:01.190
it's a bit of just... I guess a leap in
896
00:42:01.230 --> 00:42:03.369
logic a little bit that the memo is just in the,
897
00:42:03.829 --> 00:42:07.190
in the lab. Like he has his wife's paper or
898
00:42:07.250 --> 00:42:08.690
his girlfriend's paperwork just there.
899
00:42:09.690 --> 00:42:11.610
Um, I don't know.
900
00:42:11.949 --> 00:42:15.369
It works. It's whatever. Like it, it pushes the story along.
901
00:42:15.909 --> 00:42:16.070
Yeah.
902
00:42:16.469 --> 00:42:18.510
But if you think too hard about it, it is
903
00:42:18.570 --> 00:42:19.570
a little weird. Yeah.
904
00:42:19.699 --> 00:42:21.000
I did not piece that together.
905
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.000
Why is the memo there during the, the watch? Yeah.
906
00:42:24.019 --> 00:42:27.400
But that is, uh, Hmm.
907
00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:28.420
Yeah. But that's okay.
908
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.300
I'm glad you mentioned something about it though, because like,
909
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:33.829
I'm sure the audience, like one of the, the, the
910
00:42:34.429 --> 00:42:37.190
more eagle eyed or eagle eared, whatever you want to
911
00:42:37.250 --> 00:42:39.289
call that listeners of ours out there would have like
912
00:42:39.349 --> 00:42:41.309
kind of caught up on that at one point and
913
00:42:42.010 --> 00:42:43.199
thought we would have missed it.
914
00:42:43.210 --> 00:42:43.650
Yeah.
915
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.360
But no, you did not.
916
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:45.960
Right.
917
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:46.500
Movie did.
918
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.860
Yeah. I mean, it's just one of those things. If
919
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.960
you were writing a script and you, you're just like,
920
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.739
Oh yeah, we need a motivation for him. Okay. Yeah.
921
00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:54.500
He finds the memo.
922
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:55.480
Yeah.
923
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:56.400
Don't think too hard about it.
924
00:42:56.420 --> 00:42:57.429
Right. I like it.
925
00:42:58.070 --> 00:43:01.909
Um, So, of course, he finds the memo and then
926
00:43:01.949 --> 00:43:03.829
they rough up the rest of the place. They beat
927
00:43:03.849 --> 00:43:06.409
him up some more. And then the goons try to
928
00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:09.800
dunk Dr. Westlake into a vat of acid, of course,
929
00:43:11.420 --> 00:43:12.239
as is tradition.
930
00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:13.139
Right.
931
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:14.320
For sure.
932
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:14.539
Yep.
933
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:20.000
Burns his hands on the side of the tank. So
934
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:24.199
there's like electrical poles or whatever. So like his hands
935
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.519
turn all like gross. It kind of like stop motion animation,
936
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.019
which is cool.
937
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.860
It was pretty cool. It's like he's looking a little
938
00:43:31.969 --> 00:43:34.130
Kruger-y by the second.
939
00:43:34.349 --> 00:43:38.090
Yeah. And then, of course, then they, I love how
940
00:43:38.190 --> 00:43:40.969
they pull him back from there because he puts his
941
00:43:40.989 --> 00:43:43.449
hands on the electrical poles to stop himself from getting
942
00:43:43.489 --> 00:43:47.320
thrown into the vat. And then in just three stooges
943
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:50.019
type fashion, like the three goons that are holding him,
944
00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:52.579
they just back up like four steps. They just take
945
00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:54.659
a running leap and just dunk his head in it.
946
00:43:54.969 --> 00:43:56.050
For real, like coordinated.
947
00:43:56.269 --> 00:43:58.630
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and then there's like a couple of
948
00:43:58.670 --> 00:44:02.010
shots of, uh, reaction shots of Ted Raimi. And he
949
00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:05.449
just looks like he's enjoying it too much. Like he's
950
00:44:05.489 --> 00:44:07.530
just watching with delight. I don't know. It's just like
951
00:44:08.289 --> 00:44:09.929
the way that it plays out. It's just funny.
952
00:44:10.329 --> 00:44:11.630
Yeah. The closeup was a bit much.
953
00:44:11.730 --> 00:44:15.889
Yeah. Yeah. Um, so then of course he's in the
954
00:44:15.929 --> 00:44:18.510
tank there, uh, like his face is getting all fucked up.
955
00:44:18.570 --> 00:44:21.489
And then, uh, they turn on the gas and set
956
00:44:21.530 --> 00:44:26.079
a timer and the timer, uh, There's like the old
957
00:44:26.099 --> 00:44:29.000
school drinking bird figures that there was one you could
958
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.619
see like on the desk earlier or whatever. So they
959
00:44:31.659 --> 00:44:34.239
just put the detonator under the drinking bird. So, you know,
960
00:44:34.300 --> 00:44:38.639
once it hits, it blows everything up. So just before
961
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.639
that happens, Julie was walking up to the laboratory. Right.
962
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.460
She's kind of thinking about his proposal from earlier about
963
00:44:48.110 --> 00:44:53.869
asking her to marry him. And we see Dr. Westlake
964
00:44:53.889 --> 00:44:56.750
struggling to crawl. up to stop the drinking bird from
965
00:44:56.769 --> 00:45:00.510
hitting the detonator. But he's too late, as the lab
966
00:45:00.590 --> 00:45:04.170
explodes in a huge ball of fire. So what happens
967
00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:05.409
to Liam Neeson at this point?
968
00:45:08.010 --> 00:45:09.570
How do I describe this? How do I put this
969
00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:15.800
into words? He becomes like a human cannonball, rocket-propelled towards
970
00:45:15.860 --> 00:45:20.559
the sun. So as all this debris from the explosion
971
00:45:20.619 --> 00:45:22.900
is launching through the air, you just see Liam Neeson.
972
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.300
Go, basically just....
973
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.059
Yell his way, like, through the frame.
974
00:45:28.340 --> 00:45:28.559
Yeah.
975
00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:33.059
And, yeah, he's just gone, I guess. He's obliterated with
976
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:33.920
the rest of the lab.
977
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.579
Yeah. And it's just the way the special effects are. It's,
978
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.119
you know, it's just kind of cheesy. And just the
979
00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:42.429
way that he's just flying out of the explosion, then
980
00:45:42.449 --> 00:45:43.949
just lands in the river, you know.
981
00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:44.260
Yeah.
982
00:45:45.590 --> 00:45:49.849
I didn't mention either, since the movie was 1990, this
983
00:45:49.889 --> 00:45:53.739
was actually three years after Evil Dead 2 was made. Oh, wow.
984
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.969
So if you put it into more context as far
985
00:45:56.030 --> 00:45:58.809
as like the comedic aspects of the film, because Evil
986
00:45:58.829 --> 00:46:02.250
Dead 2 is a horror comedy. And then this one
987
00:46:02.610 --> 00:46:07.869
was more of a... This movie started more as a
988
00:46:07.889 --> 00:46:12.760
montage of or a pastiche of like old school 1930s
989
00:46:13.219 --> 00:46:16.409
universal horror. So that's why it has that melodrama to it.
990
00:46:16.940 --> 00:46:19.639
Dude, yeah. Like I was going to mention this whenever
991
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:24.119
we get to like the genre thing. identity crisis movie
992
00:46:24.139 --> 00:46:26.920
or whatever, like, you know, whatever that might be called.
993
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:29.760
But yeah, this movie feels like way, like whenever I
994
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.170
kind of shifted my, my focus, my perspective of this movie,
995
00:46:32.190 --> 00:46:34.369
like this is not like a superhero movie. This is
996
00:46:34.389 --> 00:46:37.429
like a universal monster movie. I started enjoying it like
997
00:46:37.550 --> 00:46:39.610
literally twice as much. Yeah. Yeah.
998
00:46:39.630 --> 00:46:42.349
Cause at first you're like, you're trying to figure out like, okay,
999
00:46:42.369 --> 00:46:44.789
is he allergic to the dark? Like what's the, what's
1000
00:46:44.809 --> 00:46:48.230
the origin story? What's, what's the details here? You're like, Oh,
1001
00:46:48.289 --> 00:46:49.190
wait a second. It's different.
1002
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:54.320
Yeah, it's more in line with, like you said, a
1003
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:57.860
classic monster movie. He's like the misunderstood guy trying to,
1004
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.659
I guess, I don't want to say right his wrongs,
1005
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:06.670
but I guess find his way back to his beloved again.
1006
00:47:06.690 --> 00:47:11.769
Well, he's a combination of Dr. Frankenstein and Phantom of
1007
00:47:11.809 --> 00:47:14.510
the Opera. Yeah. You know, shit like that.
1008
00:47:15.139 --> 00:47:15.760
Yeah, totally.
1009
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:19.619
Right. Uh, abdominal Dr. Fibes, you know, shit like that.
1010
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:21.539
So great observation. Yeah.
1011
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.619
I think, yeah, that's a good perspective to keep in
1012
00:47:23.659 --> 00:47:24.059
mind for that.
1013
00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:26.199
I'd say, but it still has the cheesiness. So you
1014
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:29.420
have the, the cheesy, uh, you know, as he flies
1015
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:33.880
away from the explosions, just brilliant. It's ridiculous, but it's funny. Um,
1016
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:39.690
and Julie looks on in horror. Um, but also to musically,
1017
00:47:39.789 --> 00:47:44.309
I noticed in this scene specifically, um, Danny Elfman's music
1018
00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:48.510
here kind of echoes towards the end of Batman 89
1019
00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:51.940
when the Batwing crashes in the street and before as it's,
1020
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.539
as it's catching fire and the Joker and Vicki Vale
1021
00:47:54.579 --> 00:47:58.099
go up into the bell tower as Batman's kind of
1022
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.219
getting out and going up there. Like the music sounds
1023
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.619
very similar. Like those two, those two different scenes are
1024
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:06.980
kind of, you know, the hero is like at its
1025
00:48:07.059 --> 00:48:07.739
lowest point.
1026
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.460
Right. That's what I'm saying. I feel like he kind
1027
00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:12.000
of maybe refined it a little bit.
1028
00:48:12.019 --> 00:48:14.480
Yeah, it feels like a B-side almost or something.
1029
00:48:14.539 --> 00:48:16.719
That's a better way to put it. Because I didn't
1030
00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:18.760
want to say it was a mistake or better or worse,
1031
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.039
but it's just like a different version.
1032
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.570
And again, most people probably wouldn't notice that, but if
1033
00:48:22.610 --> 00:48:27.610
you were an Elfman nerd, then you'd be like, oh, yeah,
1034
00:48:28.050 --> 00:48:30.150
it stands out a little bit. But not in a
1035
00:48:30.170 --> 00:48:30.469
bad way.
1036
00:48:31.190 --> 00:48:33.389
Are the Elfman nerds in the room with us right now, Wes?
1037
00:48:33.730 --> 00:48:34.050
Just me.
1038
00:48:36.489 --> 00:48:37.289
Got them. Yeah.
1039
00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:40.519
But there's also a really cool cinematic trick here because
1040
00:48:41.780 --> 00:48:45.739
as the lab explodes and Julie is standing in the
1041
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:50.300
center of the frame looking on in horror, the scene
1042
00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:54.159
behind her, the background, like, dissolves from the.
1043
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:55.929
Like the street side.
1044
00:48:56.010 --> 00:48:59.510
Like the street side scene and it transitions right into the, like,
1045
00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:03.789
graveside scene. And then all of a sudden, like, her
1046
00:49:03.849 --> 00:49:07.940
clothes that she's wearing then kind of transform into... Like
1047
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:08.980
the funeral clothes.
1048
00:49:09.380 --> 00:49:09.599
Right.
1049
00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:13.789
And it was really cool because this is pre-digital effects
1050
00:49:13.869 --> 00:49:16.570
for the most part. So what you basically had to
1051
00:49:16.630 --> 00:49:20.940
do is use an optical printer and push. two different
1052
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.000
film negatives together, right? And that's kind of what happened.
1053
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.739
So she's blocked in the center of the screen. You're
1054
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.420
filming both scenes, right? And then you're just basically mashing
1055
00:49:31.460 --> 00:49:34.360
them together. I think it's cool.
1056
00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:36.460
I feel like I need to put on my tipping
1057
00:49:36.500 --> 00:49:39.050
cap to tip my cap to Sam Raimi for that one.
1058
00:49:39.260 --> 00:49:41.980
Yeah. Cause I feel like that's an old school filmmaking
1059
00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:45.699
technique that, you know, he was, that he was aware of.
1060
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.670
I was like, Oh, I'd always wanted to do this.
1061
00:49:47.710 --> 00:49:50.170
You know, I feel like didn't like George Lucas do
1062
00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:51.789
a lot of that kind of crap whenever he's doing.
1063
00:49:51.809 --> 00:49:55.989
Oh, totally. Every, every type of, um, yeah. Special effects,
1064
00:49:56.010 --> 00:49:59.039
stop motion animation, that kind of stuff was done that way.
1065
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.900
Cause they would film the special effect and then take
1066
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:06.780
that film negative and literally squash it onto, uh, the
1067
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.679
other negative, which is why, uh, you'd always have those
1068
00:50:09.739 --> 00:50:13.039
like cutout lines around the special effects sometimes that they'd
1069
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.619
go in and like erase and stuff like that. But
1070
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:18.119
it gives the movie charm, you know, that's why I like,
1071
00:50:18.219 --> 00:50:21.440
I preferred those kinds of effects to a digital effect,
1072
00:50:22.219 --> 00:50:23.000
you know? So.
1073
00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:25.090
Me too. I like the, you can see that it
1074
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.090
was like a craft.
1075
00:50:26.469 --> 00:50:30.170
Exactly. Yeah. Crafted. It's a good way to put it. So, um,
1076
00:50:30.309 --> 00:50:32.989
but yeah, so she's, we cut right to the, um,
1077
00:50:33.309 --> 00:50:37.869
the funeral. So, but then in, Sam Raimi humor style
1078
00:50:38.550 --> 00:50:41.230
then as they pan back then there's like the limo
1079
00:50:41.250 --> 00:50:44.349
driver is talking to the grave digger and the limo
1080
00:50:44.369 --> 00:50:45.909
driver is kind of giving him a shit he's like
1081
00:50:46.090 --> 00:50:48.690
you didn't do much work today and the grave digger
1082
00:50:48.710 --> 00:50:51.110
is just like there wasn't much left to do guy
1083
00:50:51.150 --> 00:50:53.260
exploded into a whole bunch of pieces the only thing
1084
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.000
that was left was a tiny little piece that wasn't
1085
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.480
much to bury and she's like right over there mourning
1086
00:50:58.739 --> 00:50:59.159
you know.
1087
00:50:59.500 --> 00:51:01.820
This reminds me of the Metalocalypse show where the guy
1088
00:51:01.900 --> 00:51:06.000
just chimes in and just goes brutal yeah exactly same
1089
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.829
thing right It's like all that guy ever says, just
1090
00:51:08.869 --> 00:51:09.590
chimes in. Brutal.
1091
00:51:09.789 --> 00:51:10.070
Brutal.
1092
00:51:10.469 --> 00:51:11.150
Yeah.
1093
00:51:11.409 --> 00:51:15.440
Yeah. So, yeah. So we know that he's escaped, you know,
1094
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.199
but they're declaring him dead, that kind of thing. So
1095
00:51:19.219 --> 00:51:23.179
then we cut to some kind of medical facility where
1096
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.059
we have a bandaged John Doe that's being taken out
1097
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.840
of the bath and put into a spinning machine for
1098
00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:32.409
scientific reasons.
1099
00:51:32.949 --> 00:51:33.739
Yeah, it could be anybody.
1100
00:51:33.969 --> 00:51:37.130
Yeah, it could be anybody. So the doctor is kind
1101
00:51:37.210 --> 00:51:42.809
of explaining, she's given the exposition here, right? This man
1102
00:51:42.829 --> 00:51:46.650
can no longer feel pain. But as we all know,
1103
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:52.760
side effects may include amplified emotional instability, alienation, loneliness, uncontrolled
1104
00:51:52.820 --> 00:51:58.059
rage is not uncommon, unchecked surges of adrenaline, giving him
1105
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.360
augmented strength. Talk to your doctor if you're experiencing any
1106
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:02.000
of these symptoms.
1107
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:03.969
Yeah, and if it lasts more than four hours, no,
1108
00:52:03.980 --> 00:52:04.550
I'm just kidding.
1109
00:52:04.590 --> 00:52:08.900
Exactly. Um, but so in this scene, uh, when she's
1110
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:10.820
talking to the doctors, this is, this is a good
1111
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.219
bit of trivia here because there's a cameo that I
1112
00:52:14.260 --> 00:52:16.199
knew about. And then there's a cameo I didn't know about,
1113
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.559
know about that you do about. Yeah.
1114
00:52:17.619 --> 00:52:19.340
I figured this out like live on the fly.
1115
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:21.380
Yeah. So I was like, Oh, you know, if you
1116
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:22.860
pause it, if you look in the background and the
1117
00:52:22.909 --> 00:52:26.710
guy with the glasses, that's John Landis, director of American
1118
00:52:26.730 --> 00:52:30.969
werewolf in London, gremlins, all the, all the gremlins, um,
1119
00:52:31.449 --> 00:52:33.329
all the classic shit. Right. Yeah.
1120
00:52:33.429 --> 00:52:35.630
So like, yeah, then the movie plays on a little bit,
1121
00:52:36.150 --> 00:52:37.550
like the same scene. And then I was like, wait
1122
00:52:37.570 --> 00:52:38.530
a minute, pause.
1123
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:39.059
Yeah.
1124
00:52:39.219 --> 00:52:41.219
Cause he had just mentioned American werewolf in London.
1125
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.699
Right. And I was like, Twilight Zone is what I
1126
00:52:43.699 --> 00:52:44.179
was thinking of.
1127
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:46.829
I was like, I think, I think that nurse, the
1128
00:52:46.869 --> 00:52:50.329
burn doctor, I think, I think she's the nurse for
1129
00:52:50.349 --> 00:52:51.409
American werewolf in London.
1130
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.860
I was like, no, that movie came out like 79.
1131
00:52:54.860 --> 00:52:57.519
This movie came out 90. I don't know. Right.
1132
00:52:57.559 --> 00:52:59.159
So, no, then I look it up. And then, yeah,
1133
00:52:59.300 --> 00:53:02.469
it is actually her and she's uncredited. Her name is
1134
00:53:02.909 --> 00:53:10.800
Jenny Aguter, A-G-U-T-T-E-R. Yeah, it's them like reunited together. You know,
1135
00:53:10.860 --> 00:53:11.679
John Lane is in her.
1136
00:53:12.139 --> 00:53:13.679
You son of a bitch. Yeah.
1137
00:53:13.739 --> 00:53:16.139
Yeah. Little double cameo. I know.
1138
00:53:16.219 --> 00:53:17.320
I was like, wait, really?
1139
00:53:17.780 --> 00:53:20.780
Yeah, that's crazy. It's fun that I kind of just
1140
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.239
spotted that live on the fly. So it's just like
1141
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.880
my little trivia I get to give you all today.
1142
00:53:25.900 --> 00:53:29.340
Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, it's a fun little scene. This is
1143
00:53:29.380 --> 00:53:35.090
very much like a cheesy sort of monster movie scene
1144
00:53:35.110 --> 00:53:37.889
where they're like, oh, you know, this is his powers,
1145
00:53:37.929 --> 00:53:38.210
you know.
1146
00:53:38.769 --> 00:53:40.929
I will say, like, I'm sorry, it's been on for
1147
00:53:40.949 --> 00:53:42.889
too long, but John Lane is, I don't even think,
1148
00:53:42.929 --> 00:53:44.789
he said like maybe one line. He had like a
1149
00:53:44.829 --> 00:53:47.510
kind of like a, whoa, that was crazy, sort of
1150
00:53:47.550 --> 00:53:48.349
comment on something.
1151
00:53:48.570 --> 00:53:48.710
Who?
1152
00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:49.650
John Landis.
1153
00:53:50.429 --> 00:53:51.530
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1154
00:53:51.550 --> 00:53:54.800
He's just a background guy. He's just kind of standing around.
1155
00:53:55.420 --> 00:53:59.039
And then the burn doctor has several lines, and she's uncredited,
1156
00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:00.800
but he is. It is weird, isn't it? What the
1157
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:01.820
F is that?
1158
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.719
Right? I have to ask somebody. Next time you see
1159
00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:05.539
Sam Raimi, ask him.
1160
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:06.699
Yeah, I'll call him. Yeah.
1161
00:54:07.909 --> 00:54:12.199
So the doctor's not hopeful, though. She literally tells her
1162
00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:14.480
residency staff, she's like, I give this guy a nine
1163
00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:15.900
out of 10 on the buzzard scale.
1164
00:54:16.539 --> 00:54:19.400
Oh, I didn't even catch that. Yeah.
1165
00:54:19.460 --> 00:54:23.139
Jesus. Yeah. What a line. So, uh, you know, buzzard
1166
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.070
scale was a big thing back then. So, uh, but
1167
00:54:26.090 --> 00:54:29.570
then just then, uh, Dr. Westlake wakes up to a
1168
00:54:29.630 --> 00:54:32.610
terrifying recap of his last 24 hours. So we just
1169
00:54:32.650 --> 00:54:35.349
get a little, little montage of the last couple of, uh,
1170
00:54:35.630 --> 00:54:38.260
scenes of, so you get to see him like explode
1171
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:42.630
out of the building again, you know, raw, Oh, dude.
1172
00:54:42.659 --> 00:54:45.809
This is like the Spider-Man prototype scene.
1173
00:54:45.889 --> 00:54:46.309
Exactly.
1174
00:54:46.690 --> 00:54:49.190
Yeah. It's like zooming in. You can see it go
1175
00:54:49.289 --> 00:54:53.289
into his almost brain synapse sort of DNA style. You
1176
00:54:53.369 --> 00:54:56.050
see the lightning flashing and that stuff.
1177
00:54:56.090 --> 00:54:56.719
Yeah.
1178
00:54:56.860 --> 00:54:59.340
It feels like the prototype for what he did for Spider-Man.
1179
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.860
One of the many prototype scenes for Spider-Man.
1180
00:55:02.059 --> 00:55:06.719
Yep. Yeah, because we were talking about this 1990 here.
1181
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.780
Spider-Man was... I should know this because we talked about
1182
00:55:09.820 --> 00:55:14.360
it in... episode two, it's 2002. So that's 12 years
1183
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.219
difference right there career wise. So that's a long time.
1184
00:55:17.699 --> 00:55:19.489
Yeah. It's like, it's crazy that he kept these like
1185
00:55:19.510 --> 00:55:21.650
in the back pocket to like reuse again, you know?
1186
00:55:21.909 --> 00:55:24.010
And that's the thing that, that I like about even
1187
00:55:24.070 --> 00:55:27.090
like in Dr. Strange, right? Like there were a couple
1188
00:55:27.130 --> 00:55:30.269
little bits that, you know, those signature Sam Raimi bits
1189
00:55:30.309 --> 00:55:32.369
that you're like, Oh yeah, I understood that reference. Yeah.
1190
00:55:32.389 --> 00:55:34.949
You know, director trademarks, right? Right.
1191
00:55:34.989 --> 00:55:36.050
That's a good way to put it. Yeah.
1192
00:55:37.349 --> 00:55:40.280
Uh, so yeah, so that's pretty cool. Um, And then
1193
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.679
just then, Dr. Westlake breaks out of his contraption and
1194
00:55:45.019 --> 00:55:49.300
escapes into the night. It's just he's gone. He's woken up.
1195
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:51.539
He's pissed. Breaks out of the machine.
1196
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.059
I got to get the hell out of here.
1197
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:57.420
He's gone. Pieces out. Yep, pieces out. So we cut
1198
00:55:57.489 --> 00:56:02.309
to nighttime. It's raining. And we got a shot of
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00:56:02.409 --> 00:56:05.610
Liam Neeson pulling an overcoat out of a dumpster. Which
1200
00:56:05.650 --> 00:56:07.630
kind of reminds me of the scene in Terminator when
1201
00:56:08.070 --> 00:56:12.829
Kyle Reese steals a homeless man's overcoat and dirty pants. Oh, yeah.
1202
00:56:14.630 --> 00:56:16.630
You know, when you put it like that. Yeah, yeah.
1203
00:56:17.590 --> 00:56:19.230
You know, it's just a thing we did in 1990.
1204
00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:21.780
We always went to dumpsters and we looked for overcoats.
1205
00:56:22.340 --> 00:56:23.659
You didn't always find them, but if you found a
1206
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.000
good one.
1207
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.980
Kyle puts on these pants and he's just like, damn,
1208
00:56:27.019 --> 00:56:28.159
who shit my pants?
1209
00:56:28.940 --> 00:56:31.260
Well, there's a meme that's been going around for a
1210
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.619
long time, Terminator. It's basically like, you know, never forget
1211
00:56:34.659 --> 00:56:38.719
that Coyotes came back in time and, you know, slept
1212
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:43.300
with a woman while wearing dirty hobo pants to, you know,
1213
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.460
to birth John Connor, the hero of the resistance.
1214
00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:49.219
Dirty hobo pants is hilarious.
1215
00:56:49.539 --> 00:56:51.320
Yeah. Poop-stained hobo pants.
1216
00:56:52.699 --> 00:56:55.739
Yeah, that's a good mood booster, confidence booster at the
1217
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:56.239
very least.
1218
00:56:56.260 --> 00:56:56.860
Basically, yeah.
1219
00:56:56.940 --> 00:56:58.420
If he could do it in hobo.
1220
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:04.650
Pants, then. Yeah. So, basically, we got Peyton Westlake heavily bandaged. uh,
1221
00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:08.820
shambling around with his dirty pants and, uh, overcoat and
1222
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.760
it's raining. So as he, uh, he walks up to the,
1223
00:57:12.219 --> 00:57:14.760
he walks through the alley up to the street and
1224
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:17.719
gets splashed by a bunch of water from a passing car.
1225
00:57:18.510 --> 00:57:20.190
But here's a fun bit of trivia about this little,
1226
00:57:20.429 --> 00:57:25.389
this whole scene. So Danny Elfman was contacted to do
1227
00:57:25.530 --> 00:57:28.210
the music for the movie. He's like, yeah, that's cool.
1228
00:57:28.469 --> 00:57:29.880
And so they're like, why don't you come to the set?
1229
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:33.849
And he, he, He told the story, I ran across
1230
00:57:33.869 --> 00:57:37.449
this recently, that he went to the set to visit
1231
00:57:37.730 --> 00:57:41.170
and they were already shooting. And Raimi likes to do
1232
00:57:41.210 --> 00:57:45.090
all kinds of stuff. He made low-budget films for a
1233
00:57:45.090 --> 00:57:47.909
long time. So it was like, okay, everybody's doing something, right?
1234
00:57:47.949 --> 00:57:50.179
So Danny Elfman shows up. He's like, yeah, I'm doing
1235
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:51.940
the music, whatever. He's like, oh, cool. Give me a
1236
00:57:51.940 --> 00:57:54.199
hand with the shot. So he hands him a bucket
1237
00:57:54.219 --> 00:57:57.579
of water and he's like, all right, when I yell action,
1238
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.920
you're going to throw this bucket of water onto Liam Neeson. Oh, cool.
1239
00:58:01.369 --> 00:58:03.230
And so that's like the first thing that he did.
1240
00:58:03.250 --> 00:58:05.070
And he's like, oh, okay. You know, and then made
1241
00:58:05.090 --> 00:58:05.829
the music from there.
1242
00:58:06.409 --> 00:58:06.730
Nice.
1243
00:58:06.869 --> 00:58:08.650
So, yeah, if you watch this particular part of the
1244
00:58:08.670 --> 00:58:11.530
scene is he stumbles out and the water gets splashed
1245
00:58:11.610 --> 00:58:13.699
on him. That's Danny Elfman that just threw a bucket
1246
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.460
of water onto Liam Neeson, which I think is hilarious.
1247
00:58:16.739 --> 00:58:19.840
Yeah, just imagine like Danny Elfman just like looking like
1248
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.599
a total bully. Yeah, yeah. Like who's this guy? Evil
1249
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.179
smirk on his face like, ha.
1250
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.900
Totally, totally. So I think that's a fun little bit
1251
00:58:28.940 --> 00:58:34.530
of trivia. That's great. But yeah, Peyton Westlake sees Julie
1252
00:58:34.550 --> 00:58:36.690
across the street. He's walking across, you know, she's walking
1253
00:58:36.730 --> 00:58:39.550
across the street. So he runs up to her and
1254
00:58:39.590 --> 00:58:43.099
he's like, Julie, you know, and she gets freaked out
1255
00:58:43.219 --> 00:58:46.559
and runs off. So he's kind of terrified her. This
1256
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:51.179
this particular scene reminds me of Phantom of the Opera. Right.
1257
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:55.780
Like the monster trying to trying to reach out to
1258
00:58:55.820 --> 00:58:56.699
the to his loved one.
1259
00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:59.880
Yeah. And she's like, Rose. Yeah.
1260
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.500
She's like, pass. Hard pass. For real.
1261
00:59:02.739 --> 00:59:02.940
Yeah.
1262
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.590
So as he's sleeping, his cardboard box blows away in
1263
00:59:06.610 --> 00:59:10.780
the storm. And Dr. Westlake is... laying there watching the
1264
00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:13.559
rain swirl down the drain, leading his mind to swirl
1265
00:59:13.579 --> 00:59:16.280
down its own drain as well. So he goes back
1266
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.860
to his lab, finds that the whole place has been destroyed.
1267
00:59:19.900 --> 00:59:23.900
All his work's gone. All that's gone. He looks at
1268
00:59:23.940 --> 00:59:27.780
his bandage hands and begins to cut the bandages away
1269
00:59:27.820 --> 00:59:31.269
from his face. And then to his horror, he discovers
1270
00:59:32.250 --> 00:59:33.730
that he's become a monster.
1271
00:59:34.730 --> 00:59:36.530
Dun, dun, dun.
1272
00:59:36.590 --> 00:59:40.920
Right? Which, again, not to, again, parallel Batman, but it's
1273
00:59:40.940 --> 00:59:46.539
kind of true. This scene is very similar to when
1274
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.179
Jack Napier is having the surgeon fix him, right?
1275
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.820
And the bat of whatever is the same thing, but
1276
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.000
instead of looking like Freddy Krueger, he looks like the Joker.
1277
00:59:57.139 --> 00:59:58.719
It's kind of the same origin, too.
1278
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:03.309
Exactly. Yep. So we'll get there, uh, after, after the recap,
1279
01:00:03.329 --> 01:00:07.329
stay tuned for some interesting, uh, backstory here on Batman
1280
01:00:07.389 --> 01:00:12.800
and dark man. Ooh. So, um, next thing we cut
1281
01:00:12.820 --> 01:00:16.760
to Dr. Westlake donning his dapper hat and overcoat, pushing
1282
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.059
a shopping cart full of equipment into the remains of
1283
01:00:19.099 --> 01:00:22.460
a condemned power plant to set up shop just so
1284
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.989
he can resume his experiments. Um, He starts to digitize
1285
01:00:27.070 --> 01:00:30.329
a new damaged photo. It's like a picture that was
1286
01:00:30.349 --> 01:00:34.150
probably saved. It was in the fire. He's going to
1287
01:00:34.349 --> 01:00:35.889
try to create some new skin for himself.
1288
01:00:37.110 --> 01:00:40.500
I don't think we mentioned that earlier, but the technology
1289
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.360
replicates something that you kind of feed into it, some
1290
01:00:44.380 --> 01:00:47.260
sort of photo or whatever. It has to have something
1291
01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:49.579
to have a source.
1292
01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:54.920
Yeah. Yeah, generate a 3D model from this. Same thing
1293
01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:58.449
we do today, much easier. But back then, it was
1294
01:00:58.489 --> 01:00:58.849
really hard.
1295
01:00:59.030 --> 01:01:02.010
Yeah, they only had a handful of polygons to work with.
1296
01:01:02.010 --> 01:01:08.880
60, yeah. Not much. So yeah, the computer is like, oh,
1297
01:01:08.889 --> 01:01:11.440
there's a problem. You can't get to the other side
1298
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:13.699
of your face. So then he's like, what do I do?
1299
01:01:14.019 --> 01:01:16.019
What do I do? And then he literally copies and
1300
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.500
pastes the right side to the left side.
1301
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:23.170
Like it was the most like... amazing like Eureka moment
1302
01:01:23.230 --> 01:01:25.719
he's ever had. He's like, yeah, he's like kind of
1303
01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:28.000
thinking to himself. He's like breathing heavily. He's kind of
1304
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:31.320
walking around and openly upon. He's like extrapolate.
1305
01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:34.659
Yeah. But I mean, you know, nowadays you just use
1306
01:01:34.699 --> 01:01:37.119
Gemini to just remove something from a photo. But like
1307
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.820
back then, like you really had to think your way
1308
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:43.159
through a problem like that. And he did. And he did. So, uh,
1309
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.909
the computer then tells him that facial reconstruction will take
1310
01:01:45.909 --> 01:01:49.889
571 hours and 57 minutes. which is the equivalent to
1311
01:01:49.929 --> 01:01:54.639
approximately 23.91 days, or the length of time it took
1312
01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:57.019
to download a JPEG on the Internet in the 1990s. Ooh.
1313
01:01:57.059 --> 01:02:00.179
Well, you could just stop at the titties. I mean,
1314
01:02:00.260 --> 01:02:01.420
you could download the whole thing.
1315
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.559
Yeah, yeah. So, but that's pretty much, you know, I
1316
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:06.929
always thought that that was funny. It's like 571 hours
1317
01:02:06.949 --> 01:02:09.489
or whatever. I was like, how long is that? It's
1318
01:02:09.489 --> 01:02:11.909
23 days. Okay, so you're telling me that you're going
1319
01:02:11.929 --> 01:02:15.210
to have a computer program running 23 days without any
1320
01:02:15.289 --> 01:02:17.369
glitches or anything? Come on, man.
1321
01:02:17.650 --> 01:02:19.389
Yeah, that computer's going to, like, explode.
1322
01:02:19.409 --> 01:02:23.610
Yeah. So it's just funny. So don't think about it
1323
01:02:23.630 --> 01:02:23.929
too much.
1324
01:02:25.610 --> 01:02:26.210
Joke's on you.
1325
01:02:26.610 --> 01:02:27.010
I know, right?
1326
01:02:27.030 --> 01:02:27.389
I wasn't.
1327
01:02:27.570 --> 01:02:30.889
I know, right? Yeah. So, yeah, so since he's got
1328
01:02:31.510 --> 01:02:33.269
plenty of time to kill, we get a fun little
1329
01:02:33.349 --> 01:02:37.579
research montage here, right? And he's doing science things, mixing
1330
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:42.099
chemicals together and calculating things. And then we're seeing, like,
1331
01:02:42.460 --> 01:02:44.860
notes flash across, kind of like how, you know, the
1332
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.420
old movies were like newspapers used to flash across the screen.
1333
01:02:48.070 --> 01:02:50.349
And it's just a way of like having some exposition, right?
1334
01:02:50.730 --> 01:02:53.329
You know, the notebook, one of them says unstable and
1335
01:02:53.349 --> 01:02:56.190
the other one says total decay, you know, that kind
1336
01:02:56.210 --> 01:02:58.550
of stuff. So like, he's still trying to crack the code.
1337
01:02:59.130 --> 01:02:59.449
Exactly.
1338
01:02:59.489 --> 01:02:59.909
Yeah.
1339
01:02:59.929 --> 01:03:00.679
He's working on it.
1340
01:03:00.789 --> 01:03:03.690
He's working on it. Uh, so then he looks through
1341
01:03:03.730 --> 01:03:07.250
the microscope again, uh, accidentally catches his hand on fire
1342
01:03:07.670 --> 01:03:10.289
as one does, as one does. And then as he's
1343
01:03:10.309 --> 01:03:13.389
putting it out, he's like, he took my hand. Cause
1344
01:03:13.409 --> 01:03:16.429
he can't feel it. Right. He can't feel anything. So
1345
01:03:16.449 --> 01:03:18.090
you start to realize the extent of the damage that
1346
01:03:18.170 --> 01:03:20.849
Durant has caused him and vows revenge.
1347
01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:22.909
That's a good motivator.
1348
01:03:23.070 --> 01:03:23.760
Yeah. It is.
1349
01:03:23.909 --> 01:03:24.440
Kick his ass.
1350
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.460
Yeah. You fucked me up. I'm going to fuck you up.
1351
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:29.320
I look like the goddamn Hamburglar.
1352
01:03:29.780 --> 01:03:31.599
Right. You want to fuck on me?
1353
01:03:31.619 --> 01:03:32.440
Yeah.
1354
01:03:32.820 --> 01:03:35.880
So, of course, we cut to the party for Strax's
1355
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:37.679
unveiling of the city of the future.
1356
01:03:37.699 --> 01:03:39.130
Right.
1357
01:03:39.190 --> 01:03:40.449
So Julie's kind of there.
1358
01:03:41.469 --> 01:03:43.130
Oh, is that what they were doing there?
1359
01:03:43.389 --> 01:03:45.510
It's like kind of the unveiling or, you know, some
1360
01:03:45.530 --> 01:03:49.590
shit like that. It's probably a fundraising type operation. Yeah,
1361
01:03:49.630 --> 01:03:52.369
it was a big old, like, party. It's a corporate
1362
01:03:52.409 --> 01:03:55.679
event that they can't pay you, but they strongly encourage
1363
01:03:55.699 --> 01:03:56.300
you to go to.
1364
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:57.239
You have to be there.
1365
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:57.639
Yeah.
1366
01:03:58.070 --> 01:03:59.840
And, like, it's all the who's who's, it looks like.
1367
01:04:00.050 --> 01:04:03.179
Yeah, yeah. It's a commerce sale celebration.
1368
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:04.960
Oh, dear God.
1369
01:04:05.059 --> 01:04:10.320
Right. Yeah. You're coming, right? I haven't heard that name
1370
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.739
in years. I know, right? Don't clock in, but you
1371
01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:15.139
need to be there. Yeah.
1372
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:16.369
You can have a slice of pizza.
1373
01:04:16.409 --> 01:04:19.469
Don't worry. Right. Everybody gets one. Tell them, Peter.
1374
01:04:20.210 --> 01:04:20.789
Apparently.
1375
01:04:22.110 --> 01:04:26.840
Everybody gets one. So anyway, yeah. Strack asked Julie about
1376
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:30.619
her position on the Belisarius Memorandum. It's like, oh, if
1377
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.400
you come around kind of thing, you're going to join
1378
01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:36.949
the bad guys. And she's like, I think the decision
1379
01:04:37.010 --> 01:04:39.800
was made for both of us. She says the papers
1380
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.780
were destroying the fire, and she'd just rather not talk
1381
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:43.239
about it anymore.
1382
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:45.400
I wonder if there was a deleted scene that somehow
1383
01:04:45.460 --> 01:04:47.579
bridged those papers in there, but it didn't work for
1384
01:04:47.659 --> 01:04:50.099
some reason or another. And they're like, it's not that important.
1385
01:04:50.300 --> 01:04:51.360
We'll just put them there anyways.
1386
01:04:51.500 --> 01:04:53.480
Well, it's funny you bring up some editing. We'll get
1387
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.139
there as well.
1388
01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.739
Damn, I'm getting all the teasers.
1389
01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:01.070
Yeah, I feel like there's a good amount of stuff
1390
01:05:01.090 --> 01:05:02.989
to unpack and talk about about this movie as far
1391
01:05:03.010 --> 01:05:05.690
as the making of and uh, the reception and stuff
1392
01:05:05.710 --> 01:05:06.389
like that. So.
1393
01:05:07.449 --> 01:05:09.940
Also like before that guy was saying like, Hey, I'm,
1394
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:11.539
I'm a villain. I was kind of looking at that.
1395
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.119
I was eyeballing that guy too.
1396
01:05:13.300 --> 01:05:16.659
Yeah. Because he was, he was shady. He was kind
1397
01:05:16.699 --> 01:05:19.780
of the, you know, the rival, uh, the rival suitor,
1398
01:05:20.019 --> 01:05:22.599
I guess you could say, but you just, you know,
1399
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.570
that he's gotta be a bad guy.
1400
01:05:24.789 --> 01:05:26.789
It's like, yeah, he's perfectly casted.
1401
01:05:26.909 --> 01:05:29.429
Yeah. If he had a mustache, he'd be twirling it. Right.
1402
01:05:29.469 --> 01:05:31.210
Like old timey. Yeah.
1403
01:05:31.449 --> 01:05:32.090
Good way to say it.
1404
01:05:32.929 --> 01:05:36.239
Yup. So, uh, So Strack tries to put the moves
1405
01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:41.389
on Julie and invites her to dance as Liam Neeson,
1406
01:05:41.469 --> 01:05:44.889
bandaged Liam Neeson, is watching in horror from the window.
1407
01:05:44.949 --> 01:05:50.469
He's just creeping in the window there. He's like, oh, oh.
1408
01:05:50.489 --> 01:05:52.980
He's making a lot of Frankenstein noises. He was.
1409
01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:54.780
Just cucking from the vents up there.
1410
01:05:54.980 --> 01:06:00.059
Yeah, yeah. So then suddenly he spots Rick, Ted Raimi,
1411
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:05.389
and then that triggers another lightning bolt montage. Right. And
1412
01:06:05.630 --> 01:06:09.789
it's like you can just you can always see his
1413
01:06:09.869 --> 01:06:13.849
rage building. You know, Westlake, every time Peyton Westlake sees
1414
01:06:13.929 --> 01:06:16.769
somebody that fucked him up, then he's like, oh, he
1415
01:06:16.809 --> 01:06:17.590
flies into a rage.
1416
01:06:17.789 --> 01:06:21.090
Has a goddamn Jimmy Neuchat brain blast. Yeah. You know,
1417
01:06:21.150 --> 01:06:22.010
remembers everything.
1418
01:06:22.030 --> 01:06:22.369
Yep.
1419
01:06:22.489 --> 01:06:23.449
Has to kick some ass.
1420
01:06:23.570 --> 01:06:29.090
Yeah. So then, you know, we cut to Ted Ramey
1421
01:06:29.170 --> 01:06:33.099
walking away outside and. Sees a shadow creeper along the wall,
1422
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:36.519
you know, kind of Batman-like or whatever. And then suddenly Dr.
1423
01:06:36.539 --> 01:06:41.349
Westlake grabs him and is, like, waterboarding him in the sewer. Like,
1424
01:06:41.389 --> 01:06:44.829
basically just holding him over the water, like, tell me everything.
1425
01:06:44.849 --> 01:06:46.150
That is not sanitary.
1426
01:06:46.489 --> 01:06:48.619
Not at all. Not in 1990, I can tell you that.
1427
01:06:51.139 --> 01:06:51.739
Like the year.
1428
01:06:51.820 --> 01:06:54.280
Yeah. Just the context, right?
1429
01:06:54.340 --> 01:06:56.800
You know, in 97, we had the cleanest fucking sewers.
1430
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:58.260
That was the best year for sewers.
1431
01:06:58.500 --> 01:07:01.420
Oh, absolutely. Uh, yeah. Final fantasy seven had come out
1432
01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:03.880
and like, everyone was talking about Midgar and clean sewers.
1433
01:07:03.940 --> 01:07:04.820
So perfect. Yeah.
1434
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:06.619
I mean, there was just, people were pissing in jugs.
1435
01:07:06.699 --> 01:07:07.820
The sewers had time to clean.
1436
01:07:08.059 --> 01:07:11.760
Yeah. I mean, shit, we only had one piss jug
1437
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:14.139
growing up, you know, like kids today, they got five
1438
01:07:14.179 --> 01:07:14.739
or six of them.
1439
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:15.460
Spoil.
1440
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.880
Yeah. Spoil. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, uh, yeah, there's a,
1441
01:07:19.940 --> 01:07:23.829
there's a great line here where, um, And Ted Raimi
1442
01:07:23.869 --> 01:07:25.989
tells Dr. West, like, he's like, I told you everything.
1443
01:07:26.829 --> 01:07:30.610
And he's like, Dr. West, like, yes, I agree that
1444
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.579
you did, but let's pretend you didn't.
1445
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:34.440
That was good.
1446
01:07:34.619 --> 01:07:37.820
Yeah, just hoist him up out of the manhole. And, like,
1447
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:40.780
the cars are just passing by, like, real fast and everything.
1448
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:42.199
So it's Turnpike, probably.
1449
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:46.239
Basically, yeah, it's Toad's Turnpike, yeah. And, of course, the semi,
1450
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:49.309
you know, you hear the splatter and it cuts, you know.
1451
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.300
As Mario fucking tears his head off.
1452
01:07:52.579 --> 01:07:53.000
Yeah.
1453
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:54.119
Drifting by. Yeah.
1454
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:56.610
There was a bit of trivia here for this scene.
1455
01:07:56.820 --> 01:07:59.849
He kind of patterned this off of Raiders of the
1456
01:07:59.889 --> 01:08:07.650
Lost Ark. Early on, when Tot and the goons come
1457
01:08:07.690 --> 01:08:09.710
in and they're torturing Marion, and she's like, I'll tell
1458
01:08:09.750 --> 01:08:13.050
you where the medallion is. He's like, I know you will.
1459
01:08:13.389 --> 01:08:15.929
So in this case, it's kind of like that, but
1460
01:08:15.949 --> 01:08:18.840
to an extreme. He's like, let's pretend you didn't. Nice.
1461
01:08:19.460 --> 01:08:19.600
Nice.
1462
01:08:20.670 --> 01:08:24.060
He's not exactly a hero really so far. Like, uh,
1463
01:08:24.449 --> 01:08:27.460
he's getting revenge on these, on these guys, you know,
1464
01:08:27.579 --> 01:08:29.739
you were kind of expecting maybe a superhero film, but
1465
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:34.880
what we have here is, uh, kind of a crazy, uh, rage, uh,
1466
01:08:34.939 --> 01:08:41.239
revenge obsessed bandaged Liam Neeson. Uh, just, uh, that's pretty brutal.
1467
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:43.029
I can't see Batman doing something like that.
1468
01:08:43.489 --> 01:08:45.649
No, this is like way more in line with like
1469
01:08:45.710 --> 01:08:47.590
the crow than Batman, honestly.
1470
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.350
Yeah, The Crow would be actually a pretty good reference
1471
01:08:51.369 --> 01:08:53.449
because we're about four years away from that because I
1472
01:08:53.470 --> 01:08:54.350
think that came out like 94.
1473
01:08:54.350 --> 01:08:57.140
Yeah, I think that's based off a comic book, so
1474
01:08:57.170 --> 01:08:58.850
it may have like source material may have been out
1475
01:08:58.869 --> 01:08:59.310
there already.
1476
01:08:59.569 --> 01:08:59.770
Right.
1477
01:09:00.149 --> 01:09:02.529
But yeah it's like sort of like follows the same
1478
01:09:02.569 --> 01:09:04.890
beats except for instead of like a you know a
1479
01:09:04.939 --> 01:09:06.060
lover kind of being.
1480
01:09:06.350 --> 01:09:10.420
Yeah. You know there's a romantic subplot here that's not really. Yeah. Yeah.
1481
01:09:10.739 --> 01:09:12.239
I think it's like a role reversal. I want to
1482
01:09:12.260 --> 01:09:13.840
say I kind of it's been a while since I've
1483
01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:15.500
seen the movie but I think it's like role reversal
1484
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:16.779
basically but otherwise the same beats.
1485
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:19.779
Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's a good way to put it.
1486
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.000
As far as a crow, I didn't really think about that,
1487
01:09:22.060 --> 01:09:27.560
but that makes sense. But yeah, so Ted Raimi gets splattered.
1488
01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:32.060
Rick gets scouted, basically. Sorry, Ted.
1489
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:32.579
Yeah.
1490
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:37.060
So the next scene, we see it's daytime, and we
1491
01:09:37.100 --> 01:09:43.020
have Dr. Wesley kind of in an alley with a
1492
01:09:43.539 --> 01:09:47.760
camera with a telephoto lens, and he's taking photos. of
1493
01:09:47.850 --> 01:09:51.039
Durant's goons that are meeting up in the restaurant. Yeah,
1494
01:09:51.060 --> 01:09:54.279
like some part of the operation's taking place. He's familiarizing
1495
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.479
with it. Exactly, yeah. He's learning the shit, right? So
1496
01:09:58.500 --> 01:10:02.260
there's a couple goons there. Dollar Tree Hank is there, Pauly.
1497
01:10:02.899 --> 01:10:05.689
And then, of course, you know, the other goons kind
1498
01:10:05.729 --> 01:10:08.750
of pass him a briefcase under the table. And so
1499
01:10:08.789 --> 01:10:12.270
he's taking photos of these guys, you know, left side,
1500
01:10:12.329 --> 01:10:15.329
right side, front profile, getting all the shots.
1501
01:10:15.689 --> 01:10:16.270
For no reason.
1502
01:10:16.510 --> 01:10:19.770
For no reason. you know, uh, takes them home, digitizes
1503
01:10:19.810 --> 01:10:23.000
all the photos. And then we see him create, uh,
1504
01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:27.460
a synthetic hands and face masks for, uh, for Polly,
1505
01:10:28.539 --> 01:10:30.619
which is cool. Like, this is what I love about
1506
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.859
this movie is like, it's really clever in some of
1507
01:10:33.899 --> 01:10:38.350
the scenarios that, um, that Dr. Westlake ends up doing
1508
01:10:38.390 --> 01:10:40.409
to get back at and get revenge on these guys.
1509
01:10:40.970 --> 01:10:43.510
Cause this is pretty clever. Like this, this couple of
1510
01:10:43.529 --> 01:10:45.890
scenes and what it leads up to is one of
1511
01:10:45.930 --> 01:10:48.680
my favorite parts of the movie. Right? Yeah.
1512
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:51.640
I was thinking, like, how are we going to Mission
1513
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:53.640
Impossible our way to fuck over these guys?
1514
01:10:53.699 --> 01:10:56.600
Exactly. Yeah. It's very Mission Impossible, right?
1515
01:10:56.659 --> 01:10:57.979
Monster movie Mission Impossible.
1516
01:10:58.159 --> 01:10:58.479
Yeah.
1517
01:10:58.739 --> 01:10:59.760
Monster Impossible.
1518
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:00.560
Monster Impossible.
1519
01:11:00.619 --> 01:11:00.979
Perfect.
1520
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.100
Look at that. Swish. It writes itself. Patent pending. But anyway, yeah,
1521
01:11:05.140 --> 01:11:07.550
he sneaks into Pauly's apartment and gives him the old
1522
01:11:07.979 --> 01:11:13.949
chloroform handkerchief nap. Knocks him out. plants plane tickets and
1523
01:11:14.029 --> 01:11:17.229
clothing in a suitcase. So it has a Polly's name
1524
01:11:17.310 --> 01:11:18.949
on it as Rick's name on it. The guy that
1525
01:11:18.979 --> 01:11:23.840
he just killed the scene before. And, uh, then he, uh,
1526
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:26.539
he puts on his, his own Polly mask and he's
1527
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.859
looking in the mirror and the real Polly is back
1528
01:11:28.899 --> 01:11:31.899
there asleep on the bed. And, you know, fake Polly,
1529
01:11:31.939 --> 01:11:34.699
he's putting the cologne on and stuff really, really just
1530
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:39.300
kind of selling it, you know? Uh, so then he
1531
01:11:39.340 --> 01:11:43.079
goes to meet up with the goons, uh, And they're
1532
01:11:43.100 --> 01:11:45.840
telling him, oh man, Durant's really pissed because he can't
1533
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:49.159
find his favorite goon, Rick. And it's weird because there's
1534
01:11:49.989 --> 01:11:53.250
just in these couple of lines and in the couple
1535
01:11:53.270 --> 01:11:57.270
interactions earlier in the film that Durant and Rick have,
1536
01:11:58.310 --> 01:12:01.189
it's almost subtly implied that there's a little bit more
1537
01:12:01.250 --> 01:12:05.470
going on there than just a boss and henchman kind
1538
01:12:05.510 --> 01:12:08.890
of thing going on. Oh. Which I find interesting.
1539
01:12:09.289 --> 01:12:13.350
Are you talking like BFF or like Maybe more so
1540
01:12:13.529 --> 01:12:15.329
than that. A little eyebrow raise.
1541
01:12:15.369 --> 01:12:19.090
Yeah, exactly. It's just something that I took away in
1542
01:12:19.369 --> 01:12:22.670
watching this film the last couple of days. And I'm like, okay,
1543
01:12:22.689 --> 01:12:26.520
there's a bit of a subtext there which would explain
1544
01:12:26.579 --> 01:12:29.979
why he's really pissed that his favorite goon is gone.
1545
01:12:30.020 --> 01:12:31.720
Yeah, why is he looking for this guy so closely?
1546
01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:35.260
Right. Because even in Batman... You know, the Joker was
1547
01:12:35.300 --> 01:12:37.890
not afraid to shoot Bob the Goon after he fucked up.
1548
01:12:38.460 --> 01:12:39.840
He didn't have any remorse for that.
1549
01:12:40.300 --> 01:12:40.539
Right.
1550
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.199
And so in this movie, Rick is kind of Bob
1551
01:12:43.220 --> 01:12:47.100
the Goon. But now he's sad that, you know, that
1552
01:12:47.149 --> 01:12:51.909
his BFF's gone. So I find that interesting. Whoa. So
1553
01:12:53.170 --> 01:12:57.250
since the funny thing is that as they're talking to him,
1554
01:12:57.270 --> 01:12:58.380
they're like, oh, he can't find Rick.
1555
01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:00.420
But, you know, Dr.
1556
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:05.149
Westlake is dressed up as Paulie. But he can't say
1557
01:13:05.189 --> 01:13:07.489
anything because he doesn't sound like the real Pauly.
1558
01:13:08.210 --> 01:13:11.130
Yeah, he still definitely sounds like Peyton. Yeah.
1559
01:13:11.510 --> 01:13:14.449
So he says nothing. And they're kind of like, are
1560
01:13:14.489 --> 01:13:17.560
you okay, man? And he just kind of takes the
1561
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.840
briefcase full of money. He just kind of leaves.
1562
01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:22.720
I think he goes, yeah, like, peace is out.
1563
01:13:22.779 --> 01:13:27.270
Yeah, he just literally leaves. Yeah. And so, like, yeah,
1564
01:13:27.310 --> 01:13:29.689
he takes the money. And then just then we cut
1565
01:13:29.729 --> 01:13:32.890
to the real Pauly is passed out in his bed
1566
01:13:33.770 --> 01:13:37.430
and somebody breaks into his apartment and it's the goons
1567
01:13:38.170 --> 01:13:41.329
and Durant. And he's like, where's the fucking money Lebowski,
1568
01:13:41.350 --> 01:13:44.050
you know, just kind of shaking him down, you know?
1569
01:13:44.949 --> 01:13:47.600
And Pauly's like, what I've been, I've been sleeping here.
1570
01:13:47.689 --> 01:13:50.000
I didn't go anywhere. I've been set up. And he's like, Oh,
1571
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.260
you got plane tickets here. Oh, you got one for
1572
01:13:52.340 --> 01:13:57.100
Rick too. That's awfully convenient. And, uh, He's like, no,
1573
01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:58.939
I didn't do it. I didn't do it. He's like,
1574
01:13:59.300 --> 01:14:02.760
have a nice flight. They throw him out of the window. Yay.
1575
01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:08.500
Like a 30-floor skyscraper, whatever it is, apartment building. Dead. Yeah.
1576
01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:09.500
D-E-D.
1577
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:11.420
Yeah. So this is great. This is what I love
1578
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.510
about this scene is so Polly crash lands on top
1579
01:14:15.550 --> 01:14:19.510
of the car, obviously dead, and there's a woman nearby
1580
01:14:19.529 --> 01:14:23.170
that sees this happen, and she just starts to scream terribly.
1581
01:14:24.350 --> 01:14:26.310
And as she's screaming, she looks on. If you look
1582
01:14:26.329 --> 01:14:28.130
in the background, and then they cut to it right here,
1583
01:14:29.149 --> 01:14:33.250
is Dr. Westlake just sitting on a bench, still wearing
1584
01:14:33.270 --> 01:14:35.869
the poly mask. So he looks just like the guy
1585
01:14:35.930 --> 01:14:38.189
that fell out of the window and died on the car.
1586
01:14:38.930 --> 01:14:40.869
And then she turns around, and I love this just
1587
01:14:40.890 --> 01:14:42.649
a bit, because she turns around and she just points
1588
01:14:42.689 --> 01:14:44.869
at the other guy that looks just like the dead
1589
01:14:44.909 --> 01:14:48.699
guy and just screams even harder. Right. And then at
1590
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:49.739
this point, like, Peyton's like.
1591
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:51.380
Ghost! I'm thinking ghost.
1592
01:14:51.699 --> 01:14:54.300
Yeah, he's feeling his face, and he's like, oh, fuck,
1593
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:55.699
and he just gets out. He just leaves.
1594
01:14:56.149 --> 01:14:58.369
Yeah, it starts to, like, it expires. You know, the
1595
01:14:58.369 --> 01:15:00.550
99 minutes is approaching, so... Yeah, yeah, he looks at
1596
01:15:00.590 --> 01:15:03.930
the stopwatch. Yeah, he's like, oh, shit, I gotta go. Yeah,
1597
01:15:04.010 --> 01:15:06.510
and then, like, this woman's just getting more and more hysterical.
1598
01:15:06.970 --> 01:15:08.789
I think that's just such a funny little bit. Yeah,
1599
01:15:08.829 --> 01:15:12.140
she sees, like, the afterlife taking place from this guy
1600
01:15:12.180 --> 01:15:13.899
just passed away in front of her, and his face
1601
01:15:13.939 --> 01:15:17.149
is melting, so she just... She's going to be away
1602
01:15:17.260 --> 01:15:18.819
in the psych ward for the rest of her life.
1603
01:15:18.899 --> 01:15:19.680
Yeah.
1604
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:20.359
Presumably.
1605
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.359
Presumably, yeah. Then we cut to Westlake back in bandages
1606
01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:28.420
and overcoat. And this is a very Batman-esque shot where
1607
01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:31.659
he's sitting atop the building. I crouch between the gargoyles.
1608
01:15:32.619 --> 01:15:35.739
And he's like, what have I become? You know, just
1609
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:36.840
really dealing with it now.
1610
01:15:37.220 --> 01:15:38.890
Yeah, after taking lives and such.
1611
01:15:39.189 --> 01:15:39.350
Yeah.
1612
01:15:40.369 --> 01:15:42.789
So he goes back to being responsible for taking the
1613
01:15:42.810 --> 01:15:43.609
lives being taken.
1614
01:15:43.729 --> 01:15:43.890
Yeah.
1615
01:15:43.909 --> 01:15:44.720
However you want to slice it.
1616
01:15:44.869 --> 01:15:46.449
Yeah. He's, he's contemplating.
1617
01:15:46.470 --> 01:15:48.050
He definitely did kill Rick. I would say.
1618
01:15:48.189 --> 01:15:48.989
Oh, absolutely.
1619
01:15:49.210 --> 01:15:51.369
He didn't drive the car into him, but he was
1620
01:15:51.430 --> 01:15:52.149
responsible for that.
1621
01:15:52.449 --> 01:15:53.029
Oh, absolutely.
1622
01:15:53.069 --> 01:15:53.199
Yeah.
1623
01:15:53.579 --> 01:15:57.060
Yeah. So that's, that's him coming to grips with it. Right. Like,
1624
01:15:57.300 --> 01:16:00.180
you know, Batman doesn't kill anybody, but you know, this
1625
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:04.979
guy has no, he he'll do it. And then he's like, okay,
1626
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:07.739
am I okay with this? You know? So, yeah.
1627
01:16:08.300 --> 01:16:09.600
Got to reflect on it for a moment.
1628
01:16:09.779 --> 01:16:10.380
He's a reflector.
1629
01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:10.779
Yeah.
1630
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:14.699
So he goes back to resuming his experiments. Uh, he's
1631
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:16.819
desperate to make the cells last beyond a hundred seconds,
1632
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.550
but you know, a lot of like they, like the
1633
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.569
doctor explained earlier on in the film, uh, a lot
1634
01:16:23.609 --> 01:16:25.850
of these are the side effects have been brought on
1635
01:16:25.930 --> 01:16:26.829
by him coming back.
1636
01:16:27.050 --> 01:16:27.270
Right.
1637
01:16:27.369 --> 01:16:31.979
Like the irrational mood swings and the, uh, the bouts
1638
01:16:32.020 --> 01:16:36.699
of rage and the emotional instability. Right. Um, So then
1639
01:16:37.100 --> 01:16:39.949
he's taking out his frustrations on his cat, like, dancing
1640
01:16:39.989 --> 01:16:43.670
around like a madman, throwing shit around, rips a water
1641
01:16:43.710 --> 01:16:46.630
pipe off the wall, and starts trashing his lab again,
1642
01:16:47.109 --> 01:16:52.289
which then triggers more flashbacks of his creation at the
1643
01:16:52.329 --> 01:16:55.729
hands of Durant's goons. You know, he's just... And then
1644
01:16:56.170 --> 01:16:58.529
he comes to his senses, then he finally sees his
1645
01:16:58.569 --> 01:17:01.810
reflection in, like, a puddle of water, which is a very, like,
1646
01:17:01.850 --> 01:17:05.989
Frankenstein-esque moment. Very, yeah. You know, when he's just like, No,
1647
01:17:06.069 --> 01:17:09.289
he's like, I'm a scientist. I'm not a monster. You know,
1648
01:17:09.310 --> 01:17:10.529
he's trying to get it under control.
1649
01:17:10.829 --> 01:17:12.090
Yeah, then I'm a scientist.
1650
01:17:12.189 --> 01:17:14.869
Yeah, it'd be like the Hulk trying to get Dr.
1651
01:17:14.890 --> 01:17:17.460
Banner back. It's really hard to do.
1652
01:17:17.939 --> 01:17:23.079
Or I guess probably vice versa, right? Yeah, either one.
1653
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:25.460
Banner trying to get the Hulk back in.
1654
01:17:25.739 --> 01:17:28.140
I don't know. It could be both. A little Dr.
1655
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:28.699
Jekyll, Mr.
1656
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.649
Hyde. Exactly. That's a good way to put it, yeah.
1657
01:17:31.710 --> 01:17:35.770
But then, just then, The computer informs him that the
1658
01:17:35.850 --> 01:17:39.579
facial reconstruction is complete. You know, the one he started, like,
1659
01:17:39.579 --> 01:17:40.199
29 days ago.
1660
01:17:40.220 --> 01:17:43.279
Yeah, like, I forgot about it at this point.
1661
01:17:43.340 --> 01:17:43.520
Yep.
1662
01:17:43.699 --> 01:17:46.020
Because he, like, had printed that entire other guy's suit
1663
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:47.899
at this point. So I was like, oh, okay.
1664
01:17:48.140 --> 01:17:49.970
Yeah, so he's got, like, two printers, I guess. I
1665
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:50.649
don't know.
1666
01:17:50.689 --> 01:17:52.750
The other printer's, like, on overdrive if it made the
1667
01:17:52.770 --> 01:17:56.409
whole suit while it's making his one fucking face. But...
1668
01:17:57.229 --> 01:17:57.800
I don't work there.
1669
01:17:57.899 --> 01:18:00.479
Yeah, I don't work there either. But yeah, so just then,
1670
01:18:00.739 --> 01:18:04.180
a computer forms him that his Qui-Gon Jinn Halloween mask
1671
01:18:04.340 --> 01:18:07.699
is ready. So that's pretty cool.
1672
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:08.380
Let's go.
1673
01:18:08.619 --> 01:18:12.170
Yeah. So we cut to the cemetery as Julie visits
1674
01:18:12.250 --> 01:18:17.489
the grave of her dead boyfriend, Peyton Westlake. Just then,
1675
01:18:17.550 --> 01:18:21.470
she sees a tall gentleman resembling Liam Neeson standing across
1676
01:18:21.489 --> 01:18:21.689
the way.
1677
01:18:23.149 --> 01:18:25.369
Whose funeral she attended not too terribly long ago.
1678
01:18:25.770 --> 01:18:28.250
Right, yeah, like literally a day ago. I don't know,
1679
01:18:28.689 --> 01:18:30.109
two days ago, something.
1680
01:18:30.649 --> 01:18:32.229
Well, 29 days ago or something, right?
1681
01:18:32.350 --> 01:18:34.550
Oh, yeah, it would be about a month ago, yeah. Yeah,
1682
01:18:34.569 --> 01:18:40.020
you're right, yeah. Yeah, but she's just like, who the
1683
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:44.579
fuck are you? What the fuck is this? Right. And
1684
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:47.279
he's like, no, it's okay. He's like, I didn't die
1685
01:18:47.300 --> 01:18:48.939
in the fire. Like, I was in a coma, but
1686
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:51.600
I woke up, you know. he hugs her and apologizes.
1687
01:18:51.609 --> 01:18:54.060
Cause this is really all he wanted. Right. Is to
1688
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:55.340
get back to the love of his life.
1689
01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.500
Yeah. Whom he proposed to before everything went sideways.
1690
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.720
Yeah. Uh, but he's like, he's like, there's so much
1691
01:19:01.779 --> 01:19:03.300
I need to tell you, but I just need a
1692
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.359
little time. And you know, she becomes attached. She's like,
1693
01:19:06.420 --> 01:19:08.260
I don't, I don't want to be without you again.
1694
01:19:08.789 --> 01:19:14.350
you know? So, uh, crazy emotional, you know, moments here
1695
01:19:14.409 --> 01:19:18.119
between both characters. So, uh, then we cut to Durant
1696
01:19:18.539 --> 01:19:20.899
in his home on the phone. Like it's rare that
1697
01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:23.859
you ever see like the bad guy indulging in his hobbies,
1698
01:19:25.020 --> 01:19:27.359
but also to like, he's on his cordless telephone. Like
1699
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.619
he's like, we've got money problems, you know, like, did
1700
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:33.239
you get any money from the, you know, the gangster
1701
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:37.100
in Chinatown or whatever? It's like, Oh, that's unfortunate. And
1702
01:19:37.140 --> 01:19:39.949
he's like, well, If he's not paid what he's owed,
1703
01:19:40.010 --> 01:19:43.149
then he's going to start chopping fingers. And he reveals
1704
01:19:43.170 --> 01:19:47.890
his case of fingers that he's gotten from all of
1705
01:19:47.970 --> 01:19:48.970
his enemies.
1706
01:19:49.590 --> 01:19:50.949
Got to catch them all.
1707
01:19:50.989 --> 01:19:54.890
Yeah. Your fingers would make a fine addition to my collection.
1708
01:19:54.930 --> 01:19:56.270
Yeah. Yeah.
1709
01:19:56.310 --> 01:19:57.729
Yeah.
1710
01:19:58.289 --> 01:20:00.729
So it's like the gold number, like the flake box.
1711
01:20:00.909 --> 01:20:01.350
Oh, God.
1712
01:20:01.390 --> 01:20:02.069
Yeah. Yeah.
1713
01:20:02.109 --> 01:20:02.430
Totally.
1714
01:20:03.510 --> 01:20:04.609
That's a keeper.
1715
01:20:04.630 --> 01:20:08.569
Yeah. So then we cut to, like, outside the house,
1716
01:20:09.529 --> 01:20:14.550
and we see Dr. Westlake has been listening to the conversation.
1717
01:20:14.630 --> 01:20:18.970
He's got, like, you know, he's been taping the conversation,
1718
01:20:19.609 --> 01:20:22.050
which is kind of funny. So he's trying to develop, like,
1719
01:20:22.069 --> 01:20:24.029
the ability to be able to speak like these people
1720
01:20:24.449 --> 01:20:25.250
that he's impersonating.
1721
01:20:25.949 --> 01:20:28.449
Which, yeah, last time he realized he was kind of
1722
01:20:28.510 --> 01:20:30.329
in a bind by not being able to answer some
1723
01:20:30.369 --> 01:20:33.930
guy's questions about, hey, where's Rick? So, like, to avoid that, he's,
1724
01:20:34.789 --> 01:20:37.449
I guess, doing... actual like work as an actor.
1725
01:20:37.949 --> 01:20:41.739
Yeah yeah so he's he's trying to copy the the
1726
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:44.180
speech patterns and uh plug that stuff in.
1727
01:20:44.340 --> 01:20:47.979
Because he's he's a method actor who's playing a method
1728
01:20:48.050 --> 01:20:49.810
actor so he's a dude he's.
1729
01:20:49.909 --> 01:20:53.729
Playing a dude playing this guy's another dude exactly exactly
1730
01:20:53.789 --> 01:20:57.479
see this Darkman is really just a prequel to Tropic Thunder,
1731
01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:58.159
if you think about it.
1732
01:20:58.420 --> 01:21:00.520
Yeah, I mean, don't think about it too much, but
1733
01:21:00.539 --> 01:21:04.260
if you think about it just enough, there's a sweet
1734
01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:06.560
spot where Darkman becomes the prequel.
1735
01:21:06.579 --> 01:21:10.119
There's a tiny pixel on the Venn diagram of the
1736
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:12.560
two coming together. It's like right there.
1737
01:21:12.699 --> 01:21:13.939
That's where we operate, baby.
1738
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.380
Exactly. That's our podcast right there.
1739
01:21:16.939 --> 01:21:21.250
It's too big. It's a very narrow margin. Yep, just
1740
01:21:21.329 --> 01:21:21.789
right there.
1741
01:21:21.810 --> 01:21:26.510
That one pixel. But anyway, yeah. So, yeah, Westlake's been
1742
01:21:26.850 --> 01:21:30.350
listening in the conversation. So he's taping Durant's voice and
1743
01:21:30.390 --> 01:21:34.109
he's printing a face mask. And this is where this
1744
01:21:34.149 --> 01:21:36.920
movie is clever sometimes because it's just so fun because
1745
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:40.500
now the next literally the next scene is Durant, the
1746
01:21:40.539 --> 01:21:44.479
bad guy, robbing a convenience store and then looking into
1747
01:21:44.500 --> 01:21:46.960
the camera saying that he's in fact Robert G. Durant,
1748
01:21:47.539 --> 01:21:50.630
which we know he's not. But he's like, oh, it's
1749
01:21:50.670 --> 01:21:52.770
so good. What a great revenge to be like, you
1750
01:21:52.789 --> 01:21:54.970
know what? I'm going to get back. Fuck you. I'm
1751
01:21:55.069 --> 01:21:56.890
going to 3D print a mask of your face, and
1752
01:21:56.909 --> 01:21:58.590
I'm going to rob a convenience store.
1753
01:21:59.289 --> 01:22:02.170
Yeah. It is hilarious, too, because it's just like the
1754
01:22:02.210 --> 01:22:04.890
pacing of the funeral after the explosion. It's just like
1755
01:22:05.609 --> 01:22:07.989
the plot just accelerates.
1756
01:22:07.489 --> 01:22:10.609
Way through it. Everything happens quickly, right? There's not a
1757
01:22:10.649 --> 01:22:14.350
lot of wasted time in this movie, right? You're constantly like, okay,
1758
01:22:14.369 --> 01:22:18.760
what's going to happen now, right? So... they go right
1759
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.640
from the, and it's the security cam footage. Cause it's
1760
01:22:21.659 --> 01:22:24.899
like black and white or whatever. And that goes right to, uh,
1761
01:22:25.859 --> 01:22:28.789
the real Durant being arrested at his door. Yeah. Like
1762
01:22:28.810 --> 01:22:32.630
the cops are literally right there throwing the handcuffs on him. Um,
1763
01:22:34.029 --> 01:22:37.310
so then while he's, while the real Durant's getting arrested, uh,
1764
01:22:39.590 --> 01:22:42.819
Westlake Durant is, uh, he's wearing the mask and he's
1765
01:22:42.859 --> 01:22:45.199
sitting in the back seat, riding with his goons to
1766
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.880
Chinatown for the meeting, uh, to get the money. And, uh,
1767
01:22:51.500 --> 01:22:55.319
so as he's, he starts talking to the gangster to
1768
01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.800
get the money. He's like the money. The guy's like, well,
1769
01:22:58.819 --> 01:23:01.430
let me tell you the story first. Right. And keep
1770
01:23:01.649 --> 01:23:04.189
in mind, Westlake's only got 99 minutes in the mask
1771
01:23:04.229 --> 01:23:05.649
before it starts to melt. Yep.
1772
01:23:06.069 --> 01:23:06.569
Good detail.
1773
01:23:06.729 --> 01:23:09.069
So he doesn't have time for, for a story. Right.
1774
01:23:09.569 --> 01:23:12.010
Very long winded, very long winded. Uh, but while that's
1775
01:23:12.050 --> 01:23:16.220
going on, uh, the real Durant, we cut to him,
1776
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:20.600
He's getting released on bail. He gets into a taxi cab.
1777
01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:22.640
He's like, the restaurant! And just takes off.
1778
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.020
Yeah, where he's supposed to be at this time.
1779
01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:27.300
Yeah. And then we cut back to the fake Durant.
1780
01:23:27.939 --> 01:23:31.970
And he's starting to sweat now. And then the story's
1781
01:23:32.010 --> 01:23:35.750
finally over. He kind of stumbles himself into the chair.
1782
01:23:36.529 --> 01:23:39.430
And he tells the other gangster, he's just like, you're
1783
01:23:39.449 --> 01:23:41.770
going to pay me by the time I finish this cigar.
1784
01:23:42.729 --> 01:23:44.310
And then he cuts the cigar even shorter.
1785
01:23:44.789 --> 01:23:45.939
Yeah, like wicked short.
1786
01:23:45.979 --> 01:23:48.579
Yeah. And then I love this, too. This is a
1787
01:23:48.619 --> 01:23:50.659
great little detail because then to show that he's not
1788
01:23:50.699 --> 01:23:53.340
fooling around, he strikes a match and holds it under
1789
01:23:53.380 --> 01:23:57.329
his hand. But since he doesn't feel pain, like it's
1790
01:23:57.369 --> 01:23:59.970
just going the whole time. Right. And then the other
1791
01:24:00.010 --> 01:24:02.529
gangster is like, oh, fuck. Is that OK? Yeah, I'll
1792
01:24:02.569 --> 01:24:05.609
pay you the money. This guy's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1793
01:24:06.069 --> 01:24:09.619
I love that, though. Like it's not it's not it's shown.
1794
01:24:09.819 --> 01:24:12.909
It's not told. Right. We know it from the previous
1795
01:24:12.949 --> 01:24:15.050
scenes that he can't feel pain. So the fact that
1796
01:24:15.069 --> 01:24:16.550
he does this and you're like, oh, that's right. He
1797
01:24:16.569 --> 01:24:20.029
can't feel pain. But I feel like in a modern
1798
01:24:20.869 --> 01:24:24.189
show or something like they would be expecting people not
1799
01:24:24.229 --> 01:24:25.909
to have paid attention to that. So you would have
1800
01:24:25.949 --> 01:24:29.000
like a voiceover line to be like, I can't feel pain.
1801
01:24:29.220 --> 01:24:30.420
So I'm going to light a match.
1802
01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:32.779
Right. Some like monologue moment.
1803
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:35.760
Yeah. Yeah. I like the showing, not the telling. So
1804
01:24:36.140 --> 01:24:37.720
because when you discover it, it makes it more fun.
1805
01:24:38.340 --> 01:24:41.399
Yeah, because everyone's already watching on their phone, or they're
1806
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:44.069
looking at their phone, so they're listening. Right.
1807
01:24:44.670 --> 01:24:46.930
But when you participate and you're watching something, and then
1808
01:24:46.970 --> 01:24:49.909
you connect the dots, then the payoff is so much
1809
01:24:49.949 --> 01:24:51.710
better at that point, right? Right.
1810
01:24:52.310 --> 01:24:58.380
Much more satisfying. There's less, I guess, questions or plot holes,
1811
01:24:58.439 --> 01:24:59.819
like perceived plot holes.
1812
01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:03.000
Yeah. So it makes sense. So yeah, so the gangster relents,
1813
01:25:03.060 --> 01:25:06.529
pays them the money. And, uh, then this is what's
1814
01:25:06.550 --> 01:25:08.340
funny then too. So the real Durant, like he had
1815
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:10.560
to take a taxi. Right. But then he gets caught
1816
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:14.739
in parade traffic. Right. And like, he gets out, like
1817
01:25:14.779 --> 01:25:18.020
he gets out of the cab and, uh, the guy's like,
1818
01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:20.060
what about my, what about my fare? And he's like,
1819
01:25:20.140 --> 01:25:22.899
fuck your fare. And he just runs off or some shit.
1820
01:25:23.890 --> 01:25:29.550
And then, um, so the real Durant then, uh, comes
1821
01:25:29.609 --> 01:25:31.750
up upon a car that one of his other goons
1822
01:25:31.829 --> 01:25:35.640
is in. And he's in like, he's like, He's like,
1823
01:25:35.819 --> 01:25:38.159
where's Guzman? And the guy's like, boss, I thought you
1824
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:41.000
were up there. You know, it's just very cartoon-like, right?
1825
01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:41.979
Absolutely.
1826
01:25:42.100 --> 01:25:45.720
So he runs into the restaurant. But right as he's
1827
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:49.199
running into the restaurant, then here comes Dr. Westlake, the
1828
01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:54.920
fake Durant. And they literally, again, very old school comedian. Yeah,
1829
01:25:54.939 --> 01:25:58.050
Spider-Man pointing to Spider-Man. They both look at each other
1830
01:25:58.090 --> 01:26:01.770
through the revolving door. And in true Leaning Tunes fashion,
1831
01:26:01.810 --> 01:26:02.930
they just kind of spin around.
1832
01:26:03.979 --> 01:26:06.680
Looney Tunes is a good way to describe what ensues
1833
01:26:06.739 --> 01:26:07.180
after this.
1834
01:26:07.420 --> 01:26:11.039
Exactly. So then, yeah, they both come out and then
1835
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:13.600
like the other goons are like, wait a second. And
1836
01:26:13.619 --> 01:26:16.760
it makes me think of the Simpsons where Homer goes
1837
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.039
to clown college. And at the end of it, then,
1838
01:26:19.060 --> 01:26:22.500
you know, Krusty owes money to the mob and Homer
1839
01:26:22.539 --> 01:26:24.350
busts in and he looks just like Krusty. And the
1840
01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:28.109
mobster is like, I'm seeing double for Krusty's, you know,
1841
01:26:28.130 --> 01:26:30.529
because they don't know which one to shoot. And so
1842
01:26:30.550 --> 01:26:33.319
like they don't know which Durant to shoot here. Uh,
1843
01:26:33.420 --> 01:26:39.859
but then, uh, basically at this point they run out
1844
01:26:40.189 --> 01:26:44.329
somehow like both Durant's run out and then face off
1845
01:26:44.390 --> 01:26:45.010
against each other.
1846
01:26:45.329 --> 01:26:47.329
Yeah. They're both trying to convince one of the henchmen
1847
01:26:47.350 --> 01:26:50.670
out there. Like, Hey, I'm the real one. Shoot that one. No,
1848
01:26:50.729 --> 01:26:51.329
shoot that one.
1849
01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:54.460
They don't shoot either of them. Uh, but then, uh,
1850
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:59.159
the fake Durant, uh, Westlake knocks the real Durant to
1851
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:02.680
the ground, uh, And starts to take the briefcase back,
1852
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:04.779
only to realize that now the mask is starting to
1853
01:27:04.859 --> 01:27:06.500
bubble and starting to burn in the light.
1854
01:27:06.500 --> 01:27:08.119
99 minutes is up.
1855
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.420
99 minutes is up. So he runs off as the
1856
01:27:11.460 --> 01:27:15.100
real Durant wakes up and chases after him. And then
1857
01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.050
the goons chase after Dr.
1858
01:27:17.069 --> 01:27:17.210
West.
1859
01:27:17.229 --> 01:27:19.829
They can only find a discarded Durant mask on the ground.
1860
01:27:21.029 --> 01:27:24.069
So that's kind of cool. And we cut to this
1861
01:27:24.409 --> 01:27:28.750
creepy carnival with some of the best... uh, Elfman music
1862
01:27:28.789 --> 01:27:32.689
here because it's creepy carnival music and there's, you know,
1863
01:27:32.710 --> 01:27:35.390
closeups of, uh, clowns and all that fun stuff.
1864
01:27:35.489 --> 01:27:37.390
Right. Yeah. In his wheelhouse here, I'd say.
1865
01:27:37.630 --> 01:27:41.149
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and we've got, uh, you know,
1866
01:27:41.189 --> 01:27:43.649
Peyton has taken Julie for a date, you know, now that,
1867
01:27:43.670 --> 01:27:45.930
now that they're spending some time together, right. She wants
1868
01:27:45.949 --> 01:27:48.260
to spend more time with them. Uh, but he keeps
1869
01:27:48.300 --> 01:27:51.300
giving her excuses, you know, he's like, I've got to
1870
01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.619
tell you something like, um, And then he looks over
1871
01:27:55.859 --> 01:27:58.180
and there's this is the most like Tim Burton esque
1872
01:27:58.239 --> 01:27:58.770
moment here.
1873
01:27:58.819 --> 01:27:59.010
Right.
1874
01:27:59.060 --> 01:28:01.630
Where he kind of looks over at the there's like
1875
01:28:01.649 --> 01:28:06.770
the carnival barker that reveals like the, you know, the
1876
01:28:06.810 --> 01:28:10.069
amazing beast man or something. Right. And so it's kind
1877
01:28:10.109 --> 01:28:13.710
of like that's the that's the metaphor for him being like, oh,
1878
01:28:13.789 --> 01:28:16.020
am I am I a monster? You know, what is it?
1879
01:28:16.569 --> 01:28:20.380
So then he quickly kind of reverses course with Julian.
1880
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:22.680
It's kind of like when I was in a coma,
1881
01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:25.189
was it was there someone else? And she's like, well,
1882
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:28.590
there was somebody that, you know, I respected him, but
1883
01:28:28.630 --> 01:28:32.909
I broke it off, you know. But like we know,
1884
01:28:32.930 --> 01:28:37.470
emotional instability is a byproduct of, you know, him being
1885
01:28:37.510 --> 01:28:39.949
brought back from the dead, basically, right? Oh, yeah.
1886
01:28:40.100 --> 01:28:40.939
Good thing to keep in mind.
1887
01:28:42.460 --> 01:28:45.560
So he becomes overly emotional with Julie. He's like, you
1888
01:28:45.579 --> 01:28:47.319
know what? I'm going to I'm going to win you
1889
01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:52.739
the biggest carnival prize. And so and then she she's
1890
01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:55.279
asking more questions like, well, where do you go every day?
1891
01:28:55.300 --> 01:28:56.899
Can I come with you? You know, this and that.
1892
01:28:57.819 --> 01:29:00.000
And he keeps deflecting. And then.
1893
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.479
He's saying, no, I'm back at the hospital.
1894
01:29:02.659 --> 01:29:04.720
Yeah, I'm doing therapy. I'm doing this stuff. She's like, well,
1895
01:29:04.739 --> 01:29:07.279
I can drive you. He's like, no, no, no. So
1896
01:29:07.310 --> 01:29:10.479
he finally knocks the bottles over at the unwinnable bottle
1897
01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.829
game at the carnival. And he's like, I'll take the
1898
01:29:14.850 --> 01:29:17.569
pink elephant. He's like, I'm sorry, buddy. You were over
1899
01:29:17.609 --> 01:29:21.970
the line. And this just is not the right thing
1900
01:29:22.010 --> 01:29:25.250
to say to the guy that made, like, what, four
1901
01:29:25.289 --> 01:29:30.779
Taken movies? I don't know how many they made. Um, but, uh, it's,
1902
01:29:31.020 --> 01:29:34.020
I love this part too. Cause then he's like elephant quickly,
1903
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:37.640
you know, like this is a very naked gun esque scene, right?
1904
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.750
If you've watched the Liam Neeson naked gun, right. It's
1905
01:29:40.789 --> 01:29:44.130
kind of, uh, these are these moments of just that,
1906
01:29:44.350 --> 01:29:48.310
that comedic timing that's just kind of oddly out of place,
1907
01:29:48.350 --> 01:29:51.090
but fits within this weird movie. Yeah.
1908
01:29:51.130 --> 01:29:53.640
It's like a good juxtaposition. It's like, why do we
1909
01:29:53.649 --> 01:29:55.680
care about this? Like stuffed elephant. Yeah. Yeah.
1910
01:29:56.350 --> 01:29:58.609
But that's how far he's, he's trying to go to
1911
01:29:58.670 --> 01:30:01.989
not tell Julie that, you know, that he's a monster.
1912
01:30:02.470 --> 01:30:02.630
Right.
1913
01:30:03.850 --> 01:30:08.090
Uh, and then, uh, the Carney provokes, uh, Dr. Westlake
1914
01:30:08.270 --> 01:30:10.409
and then it triggers the rage. So we get the, uh,
1915
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.000
the rage montage again. You should really take a drink
1916
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:15.880
every time we mentioned a, a rage flashback or montage.
1917
01:30:15.899 --> 01:30:16.680
Cause there's a lot of them.
1918
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:18.680
Uh, yeah.
1919
01:30:18.699 --> 01:30:23.239
Uh, but then, yeah. So instantly, um, Dr. Westlake breaks
1920
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:28.010
the Carney's fingers. And then throws him through the stand.
1921
01:30:29.149 --> 01:30:29.609
Just like.
1922
01:30:29.789 --> 01:30:30.210
As one does.
1923
01:30:30.449 --> 01:30:33.529
As one does. And then he grabs the elephant, and
1924
01:30:33.590 --> 01:30:35.649
he's like... This is one of the best lines. He
1925
01:30:35.689 --> 01:30:38.550
just tells Julie, he's like, here, take the fucking elephant.
1926
01:30:38.930 --> 01:30:39.770
That cracked me up.
1927
01:30:39.789 --> 01:30:40.029
Yeah.
1928
01:30:40.510 --> 01:30:42.489
Like, almost as good as, like, I could gasp for
1929
01:30:42.510 --> 01:30:42.909
the Lord.
1930
01:30:42.930 --> 01:30:45.250
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just Liam Neeson, just go, take the
1931
01:30:45.289 --> 01:30:46.050
fucking elephant.
1932
01:30:46.630 --> 01:30:48.800
This is great. You hear the Irish.
1933
01:30:49.420 --> 01:30:49.659
Yeah.
1934
01:30:49.699 --> 01:30:50.039
It's so funny.
1935
01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:50.720
Yeah, totally.
1936
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:53.909
I will say, though, the guy... had it coming though
1937
01:30:53.930 --> 01:30:55.670
that guy was trying to say he cheated when he
1938
01:30:55.689 --> 01:30:57.529
was behind the line when he was not behind the
1939
01:30:57.569 --> 01:31:00.149
fucking line so I don't feel bad that guy's fingers
1940
01:31:00.189 --> 01:31:03.130
got broken for the record makes.
1941
01:31:03.050 --> 01:31:06.449
Me think of the big Lebowski he's like I'm sorry
1942
01:31:06.470 --> 01:31:11.310
Don no he's talking to who's the guy that's I
1943
01:31:11.340 --> 01:31:13.960
don't remember the character's name he's like I'm sorry that
1944
01:31:13.979 --> 01:31:15.920
was oh Smokey he's like I'm sorry Smokey that was
1945
01:31:15.939 --> 01:31:18.600
over the line he's like no man you can't do
1946
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.460
that you know it's fine right so same kind of
1947
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:24.630
thing Uh, as a quick aside, here's a brief connection
1948
01:31:25.409 --> 01:31:30.189
between the Coen brothers and this movie. So, uh, Francis
1949
01:31:30.250 --> 01:31:32.409
McDormand was in this movie, right? And she was also
1950
01:31:32.449 --> 01:31:35.979
in some Coen brothers movies. Um, at the time that
1951
01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:41.239
dark man was being made, uh, she shared an apartment with, uh,
1952
01:31:41.340 --> 01:31:44.819
Joel and Ethan Coen and was, I think she was
1953
01:31:44.859 --> 01:31:47.390
involved with, I believe it was Ethan. I don't remember.
1954
01:31:47.970 --> 01:31:51.390
She dated one of the brothers or something. Um, so
1955
01:31:51.430 --> 01:31:54.949
the Coen brothers actually kind of helped get this movie
1956
01:31:54.989 --> 01:31:57.560
made a little bit. Uh, they helped Sam Raimi with the,
1957
01:31:57.770 --> 01:32:01.430
some of the script and, uh, developing some things. And
1958
01:32:01.470 --> 01:32:04.409
they even have a very brief cameo towards the end.
1959
01:32:04.470 --> 01:32:06.489
So we'll get there on that. But I just want
1960
01:32:06.510 --> 01:32:09.149
to mention that because the over the line thing kind
1961
01:32:09.170 --> 01:32:11.489
of made me think of it, but, uh, there's more,
1962
01:32:11.529 --> 01:32:12.890
if you dig into it and read about it, it's
1963
01:32:12.909 --> 01:32:17.130
pretty interesting. So a lot of it comes from like, um, like,
1964
01:32:17.189 --> 01:32:20.310
cast interviews from, like, recent times. Like, they had, like,
1965
01:32:20.340 --> 01:32:22.920
a 20-year look back. And so some of the actors
1966
01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:24.979
were talking about their thoughts on making this movie.
1967
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:25.739
Very nice.
1968
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.579
And so she mentioned that a little bit, which is cool.
1969
01:32:29.899 --> 01:32:34.689
But anyway, he tells her, take the fucking elephant, just
1970
01:32:34.789 --> 01:32:37.710
as his Liam Neeson mask begins to bubble and melt.
1971
01:32:38.449 --> 01:32:40.789
So then he runs off to his old abandoned factory
1972
01:32:41.029 --> 01:32:43.409
and Julie chases after him. This is very Phantom of
1973
01:32:43.430 --> 01:32:45.640
the Opera, right? Because he's running off and he's like,
1974
01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:50.159
you know, like making the melodramatic monster noises, right?
1975
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:50.760
Right.
1976
01:32:50.779 --> 01:32:55.319
Like, I'm hideous. Yeah. Look away. She finds the lab
1977
01:32:56.140 --> 01:33:00.199
in the old power plant and he's hiding from her
1978
01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:03.210
like Phantom of the Opera. And she finds the melted
1979
01:33:03.250 --> 01:33:06.069
Liam Neeson mask and she's like, why didn't you tell
1980
01:33:06.090 --> 01:33:08.199
me the truth? And she's like, I would have tried
1981
01:33:08.220 --> 01:33:11.100
to help you. And, you know, she's going to try
1982
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:12.640
to help him now. And she's like, you don't have
1983
01:33:12.659 --> 01:33:16.479
to hide. But he's just he's embarrassed by his disfigurement.
1984
01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:18.640
He just he cannot face her. Yeah.
1985
01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:20.600
Like he's deeply ashamed.
1986
01:33:20.619 --> 01:33:25.189
Yeah. Yeah. So then we cut to Julie in Strack's
1987
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:29.170
office and she tells him she's trying to break it off.
1988
01:33:29.270 --> 01:33:33.270
I can't see you anymore. She's like, Peyton is alive
1989
01:33:33.989 --> 01:33:36.319
and he's back. Which is not something you want to
1990
01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.260
tell the villain of the movie, right? Mm-mm.
1991
01:33:39.460 --> 01:33:40.770
You have cats out of the bag now.
1992
01:33:40.779 --> 01:33:41.680
You have cats out of the bag.
1993
01:33:41.739 --> 01:33:43.399
Whose side are you even on, lady?
1994
01:33:43.699 --> 01:33:47.659
Yeah. So he takes a call. He's like, all right, well,
1995
01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:50.399
I'm going to go answer this phone call. And while
1996
01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:53.789
he's doing that, she sees the Belisarius memorandum on his desk.
1997
01:33:54.909 --> 01:33:56.710
We can tell it is because it's got the coffee
1998
01:33:56.729 --> 01:33:58.310
stain on it. Mm-mm.
1999
01:33:58.850 --> 01:33:59.810
The very same one.
2000
01:33:59.829 --> 01:34:02.770
The very same one. And apparently nobody ever made a photocopy.
2001
01:34:03.310 --> 01:34:03.529
Right.
2002
01:34:04.029 --> 01:34:06.760
At all. You're telling me we've got a printer that
2003
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.399
can digitize a photo of a nose and make a
2004
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:13.640
60 polygon nose, but you can't make a copy of
2005
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:14.100
the memo.
2006
01:34:15.090 --> 01:34:15.229
No.
2007
01:34:15.789 --> 01:34:16.130
Guess not.
2008
01:34:16.569 --> 01:34:21.449
But we said it earlier. It's a nice MacGuffin, though.
2009
01:34:21.489 --> 01:34:23.090
They set it up really early with that little coffee
2010
01:34:23.109 --> 01:34:25.789
stain on there. So that's been like, oh, that's the document.
2011
01:34:25.810 --> 01:34:26.909
It's the one with the coffee stain. Yep.
2012
01:34:27.029 --> 01:34:27.670
You know what it is.
2013
01:34:27.949 --> 01:34:28.090
Yep.
2014
01:34:29.270 --> 01:34:34.850
But then Strack basically then. He gets off the phone.
2015
01:34:35.569 --> 01:34:37.710
Julie makes the connection that Strack and Durant are working
2016
01:34:37.729 --> 01:34:40.130
together and that they were the ones that destroyed the lab.
2017
01:34:41.329 --> 01:34:44.699
And then he shows her the city of the future. Right.
2018
01:34:44.739 --> 01:34:48.420
Like it's being constructed. And Julie kind of rebuffs him.
2019
01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:50.180
She's like, well, if you're not going to kill me,
2020
01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:53.899
like I got shit to do. And so he lets
2021
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.989
her leave, you know, and then summons Durant, who's just
2022
01:34:58.029 --> 01:35:00.909
been sitting in the other room, I guess, because he
2023
01:35:00.949 --> 01:35:04.449
walks in. And Strack basically, this is where we find
2024
01:35:04.529 --> 01:35:09.210
out that Duran is basically working for Strack. And he's like,
2025
01:35:09.229 --> 01:35:11.149
you know, you failed to kill the good doctor. And
2026
01:35:11.170 --> 01:35:13.470
he's like, well, that's impossible. I saw it too myself.
2027
01:35:15.510 --> 01:35:19.310
But basically then he's like, well, we can find him.
2028
01:35:19.789 --> 01:35:22.729
And what they end up doing is basically just allowing
2029
01:35:22.770 --> 01:35:27.640
Julie to escape. So that way she'll lead them to Westlake. Yeah.
2030
01:35:27.649 --> 01:35:29.720
And I think they also piece together like, oh, we
2031
01:35:29.739 --> 01:35:32.659
know who did something to Rick. At this point, too.
2032
01:35:32.699 --> 01:35:35.819
We know who the player is messing with us.
2033
01:35:36.010 --> 01:35:39.770
Yep. So Julie returns to the lab. And just as
2034
01:35:39.789 --> 01:35:42.449
she does, a bunch of goons show up with machine
2035
01:35:42.489 --> 01:35:46.850
guns to kill Westlake and trash the lab again. So
2036
01:35:47.430 --> 01:35:50.149
Westlake dons his dapper hat and trench coat, escapes up
2037
01:35:50.170 --> 01:35:50.630
to the roof.
2038
01:35:51.149 --> 01:35:51.670
Oh, shit.
2039
01:35:51.689 --> 01:35:55.550
Here we go again. Here we go again. Yep. Running
2040
01:35:55.569 --> 01:36:00.250
across the top of the buildings, encountering Durant in a helicopter, shooting...
2041
01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:04.819
one of those like grenade launcher guns at him. You've
2042
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:06.659
seen the type in like Grand Theft Auto games, stuff
2043
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:07.439
like that, whatever it is.
2044
01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:08.819
The noob tube from Call of Duty.
2045
01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.979
Basically the noob tube. Yeah. But this is what's again,
2046
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.739
cool about, I guess, having studio money to do a
2047
01:36:16.069 --> 01:36:19.869
movie at least, because there's a lot of practical pyrotechnics
2048
01:36:19.930 --> 01:36:22.350
going on here. A lot of explosions on the roof.
2049
01:36:23.630 --> 01:36:27.770
A lot of leaping from rooftops with explosions going off,
2050
01:36:27.869 --> 01:36:31.500
all happening for real. kind of Die Hard-esque at this point.
2051
01:36:32.500 --> 01:36:34.039
Yeah, a little Batman meets Die Hard.
2052
01:36:34.140 --> 01:36:39.239
Yeah. So that's pretty cool. And then he finally escapes
2053
01:36:39.260 --> 01:36:42.539
from the helicopter, and he's kind of like, he's formulating
2054
01:36:42.579 --> 01:36:46.600
a plan, you know? Dr. Westlake, he's always got plans
2055
01:36:46.649 --> 01:36:50.210
that he's thinking of, right? So a couple of goons
2056
01:36:50.250 --> 01:36:52.670
break into the lab, find all the creepy masks that
2057
01:36:52.710 --> 01:36:55.409
he's printed, right? There's like a bunch of Dollar Tree
2058
01:36:55.430 --> 01:36:57.970
Hank masks and a bunch of other goon masks everywhere.
2059
01:36:58.210 --> 01:37:01.609
Yeah, this looks a little like I don't know, Ed Gein, Leatherface-y.
2060
01:37:01.770 --> 01:37:02.350
Yeah, a little bit.
2061
01:37:02.409 --> 01:37:05.569
It looks visually disturbing, but it shows just how prepared
2062
01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:06.399
he is, I guess.
2063
01:37:07.380 --> 01:37:11.420
Yeah, he's that far into his plan. He's got backups
2064
01:37:11.500 --> 01:37:13.180
of backups. Yeah, exactly.
2065
01:37:13.779 --> 01:37:15.079
His plan B has a plan B.
2066
01:37:15.260 --> 01:37:19.699
Yeah, exactly, yeah. So there's the two goons at this part,
2067
01:37:19.779 --> 01:37:26.770
which I think is great because there's this super deceptive
2068
01:37:26.869 --> 01:37:30.810
mask thing going on because the one goon... He sees
2069
01:37:30.850 --> 01:37:34.010
somebody running at him and the guy knocks him down
2070
01:37:35.470 --> 01:37:40.109
and pulls off the mask. And underneath is what looks
2071
01:37:40.140 --> 01:37:43.180
like Liam Neeson. Right. He's like, oh, fuck, it's him.
2072
01:37:43.260 --> 01:37:46.680
So it's the guy. Liam Neeson sits up and the
2073
01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:50.539
goon machine guns him and then pulls off the Liam
2074
01:37:50.579 --> 01:37:52.939
Neeson mask. And it was actually the other goon the
2075
01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:56.159
whole time was like tape over his mouth. So, basically, Dr.
2076
01:37:56.159 --> 01:37:58.939
Westlake had to put, like, two masks on this guy
2077
01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:01.189
and then send him out running to his friend.
2078
01:38:02.109 --> 01:38:02.310
Right?
2079
01:38:03.050 --> 01:38:03.350
Bro.
2080
01:38:05.369 --> 01:38:06.829
Christopher Nolan stole that in Dark Knight.
2081
01:38:07.189 --> 01:38:09.750
Totally. That's where it came from. I was trying to
2082
01:38:09.770 --> 01:38:12.399
think which one it was... Was it Dark Knight or
2083
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:13.279
was it Dark Knight Rises?
2084
01:38:13.300 --> 01:38:15.560
No, it's Dark Knight whenever he has all the people
2085
01:38:15.619 --> 01:38:16.000
in the.
2086
01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:18.239
When they're in the bank or whatever? No, it's not
2087
01:38:18.270 --> 01:38:18.470
the bank.
2088
01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:20.409
Yeah, it's in that tower area. It's like whenever he
2089
01:38:20.430 --> 01:38:22.489
has that final stand with Joker, it's that same place
2090
01:38:22.489 --> 01:38:25.380
where he's hanging upside down and he's like, unstoppable object
2091
01:38:25.380 --> 01:38:26.489
meets impossible force.
2092
01:38:26.489 --> 01:38:26.720
Yeah.
2093
01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.399
It's like he has to like do the sweep where
2094
01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:30.279
instead of like.
2095
01:38:30.579 --> 01:38:31.720
The security guards, right?
2096
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:33.319
Yeah, because he has like all the people who are
2097
01:38:33.340 --> 01:38:34.960
supposed to be working in the building have all the
2098
01:38:34.979 --> 01:38:38.199
clown masks on, and then all like the actual people
2099
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:39.859
have all just like the hoods on and they're all,
2100
01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:40.319
you know.
2101
01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:43.029
See, fucking Nolan stealing from Raimi in Darkman.
2102
01:38:43.289 --> 01:38:45.069
Yeah, so whenever Batman gets up there and he checks
2103
01:38:45.109 --> 01:38:47.630
it out, he's like, no, oh no, the hostages have
2104
01:38:47.649 --> 01:38:48.310
the clown masks.
2105
01:38:48.329 --> 01:38:49.090
Yep, yep.
2106
01:38:49.270 --> 01:38:49.899
He stole it.
2107
01:38:50.069 --> 01:38:53.960
Yeah, totally. Uh, but yeah, so he, he, goo number
2108
01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:57.979
two guns down, goo number one. Uh, and then, uh.
2109
01:38:59.060 --> 01:39:01.819
Then we see just then, I wonder what Sam Raimi
2110
01:39:01.859 --> 01:39:04.039
was thinking whenever he watched that scene in a dark night,
2111
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:07.250
you know, he was just like motherfucker. Exactly.
2112
01:39:07.270 --> 01:39:11.550
Yeah, probably. Yeah. Uh, but then, yeah. So then there's, uh,
2113
01:39:13.069 --> 01:39:16.149
then goo number two, who's like, kind of like long haired, um,
2114
01:39:17.970 --> 01:39:20.689
I don't know, just long-haired power ballad guy, I guess
2115
01:39:20.710 --> 01:39:25.220
I would call him. But then here's, like, Dr. Westlake
2116
01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:29.340
wearing that guy's mask. So then just, like, showing up, like,
2117
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:31.920
as his doppelganger right there. And then he just starts
2118
01:39:31.979 --> 01:39:35.039
laughing maniacally and just beats the shit out of the guy.
2119
01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:37.699
I would shit a brick if I walked up to myself.
2120
01:39:37.899 --> 01:39:43.350
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then we have Dr. Westlake running
2121
01:39:43.430 --> 01:39:46.670
up to the rooftop, and he's got his fresh Liam
2122
01:39:46.710 --> 01:39:50.789
Neeson mask on. climbs onto the helicopter that Durant's on.
2123
01:39:51.729 --> 01:39:55.109
And then just then, goon number two wakes up, realizes
2124
01:39:55.170 --> 01:39:56.770
he's been left in the lab to die in the
2125
01:39:56.789 --> 01:40:00.800
same way that Dr. Westlake was. The gas is turned on,
2126
01:40:00.979 --> 01:40:04.619
and the drinking bird is getting close to tapping the detonator.
2127
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:06.909
But then when he goes to try to grab it,
2128
01:40:07.779 --> 01:40:10.630
then he finds out it was a hologram. No. And
2129
01:40:10.649 --> 01:40:14.300
then we cut to the fight on the helicopter. Durant
2130
01:40:14.340 --> 01:40:18.750
pulls the Liam Neeson mask off, revealing Dr. Westlake underneath,
2131
01:40:18.770 --> 01:40:21.409
the bandaged Dr. Westlake. And then we cut to, at
2132
01:40:21.430 --> 01:40:26.010
the same time, in the warehouse, the holographic image is
2133
01:40:26.029 --> 01:40:29.149
finally complete, but then the drinking bird is actually on
2134
01:40:29.189 --> 01:40:33.279
the other desk, which then sets off the detonator, blows
2135
01:40:33.340 --> 01:40:37.500
up the lab again for the second time. So entire
2136
01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:41.119
building explodes, and Dr. Westlake's hanging from a helicopter and
2137
01:40:41.149 --> 01:40:44.920
gets taken for a ride. Again, all done for real, right?
2138
01:40:45.020 --> 01:40:50.090
Second camera stunt work stuff going on here, second unit stuff,
2139
01:40:51.970 --> 01:40:54.590
which I think is pretty cool. Again, these scenes you
2140
01:40:54.609 --> 01:40:57.369
can tell are filmed in downtown L.A., which is like
2141
01:40:57.409 --> 01:40:59.270
a stuntman hanging from a helicopter.
2142
01:40:59.630 --> 01:41:03.899
Yeah, I was stunned when I was watching this. Dude,
2143
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:05.840
these stuntmen used to be crazy.
2144
01:41:05.939 --> 01:41:06.840
Oh, yeah, stuntmen were crazy.
2145
01:41:06.859 --> 01:41:08.600
Swinging from helicopters.
2146
01:41:08.619 --> 01:41:09.270
Yeah, I knew it.
2147
01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:11.460
It's no problem. Pack of smokes.
2148
01:41:11.859 --> 01:41:15.979
Right, exactly, yeah. Um, so then the police helicopters chasing after.
2149
01:41:16.020 --> 01:41:18.180
So we get like two helicopters. We got a guy
2150
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:21.560
hanging from one of them, uh, flying around. Uh, and
2151
01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:25.159
then in a comedic moment for a second, then, um,
2152
01:41:26.659 --> 01:41:29.819
you know, uh, Dr. West, like crashes into a building
2153
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:33.739
and like crashes a meeting. Literally. He's like, Oh, excuse me.
2154
01:41:34.050 --> 01:41:36.909
And this gets like pulled out of the, uh, the boardroom.
2155
01:41:37.210 --> 01:41:37.729
What a gentleman.
2156
01:41:38.010 --> 01:41:43.060
Yeah. Very Frank driving junior ask. Right. Um, And then
2157
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:48.060
Durant guns down the police helicopter. And then he tells
2158
01:41:48.869 --> 01:41:52.609
his pilot, and he's like, dip him. And basically, I
2159
01:41:52.630 --> 01:41:55.390
just drop him onto the street where the cars are
2160
01:41:55.430 --> 01:41:59.869
chasing him. Right, right. Yeah. So then here's the blink
2161
01:41:59.909 --> 01:42:02.350
and you miss it moment. If you're a Sam Raimi fan,
2162
01:42:02.369 --> 01:42:05.319
you're always looking for the signature things, right? And the
2163
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:09.060
other thing you look for is the car from Evil Dead, right?
2164
01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:09.819
The 73 Oldsmobile.
2165
01:42:10.020 --> 01:42:11.539
You see, we've seen his brother already.
2166
01:42:11.949 --> 01:42:15.250
Yeah, we've seen Ted Raimi already. Now we have the classic.
2167
01:42:15.470 --> 01:42:17.470
Wes pointed out the classic, and I was like, oh, okay,
2168
01:42:17.489 --> 01:42:20.659
the car. And I was like, okay, cool. Wait, did
2169
01:42:20.699 --> 01:42:22.899
I miss Bruce? Where's Bruce at? And he was like, no,
2170
01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:25.939
he's not in it. And I was like, F, we're
2171
01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:28.539
this far in. And then I missed him, or he's not.
2172
01:42:28.779 --> 01:42:29.760
Damn it. And I was disappointed.
2173
01:42:30.060 --> 01:42:34.119
We'll get there. But if you blink and miss it,
2174
01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:36.729
the Oldsmobile's right there, and the car is actually driven
2175
01:42:36.810 --> 01:42:39.800
by Joel and Ethan Coen. which is cool. So just
2176
01:42:39.819 --> 01:42:42.020
a little cameo with the Coen brothers. Yeah. They're the
2177
01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:44.279
ones driving the classic, which is cool.
2178
01:42:44.619 --> 01:42:45.100
Nice.
2179
01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:45.979
So that's pretty good.
2180
01:42:46.010 --> 01:42:50.069
Uh, it's like a Easter egg sandwich, Easter egg squared. Absolutely.
2181
01:42:50.170 --> 01:42:52.369
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It's Easter egg inception.
2182
01:42:52.729 --> 01:42:53.029
Yeah.
2183
01:42:53.050 --> 01:42:56.729
You know? Yeah. Uh, Durant blows up the helicopter.
2184
01:42:57.109 --> 01:42:59.649
The Reese's of Easter eggs, you know, like the new
2185
01:42:59.670 --> 01:43:01.729
giddy peanut butter, like the delicious peanut butter in the middle.
2186
01:43:01.750 --> 01:43:04.289
Exactly. Nuts and gum together at last.
2187
01:43:04.869 --> 01:43:05.170
Brilliant.
2188
01:43:05.329 --> 01:43:08.609
Yeah. So, uh, yeah. Durant blows up the police helicopter, uh,
2189
01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:11.899
And he's firing grenades at the cars on the street. Uh,
2190
01:43:11.939 --> 01:43:14.939
and again, this is cool. It's filmed in downtown LA
2191
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:17.810
that it's at whatever that bridge is. If you played
2192
01:43:18.189 --> 01:43:21.449
grand theft auto five, it's the same thing. And it's
2193
01:43:21.470 --> 01:43:23.609
been in tons of movies, but it's cool. Again, it's
2194
01:43:23.689 --> 01:43:27.850
all done. Practically explosions going off, stunt cars driving around.
2195
01:43:27.909 --> 01:43:30.250
It's pretty cool. I think. Yeah.
2196
01:43:30.329 --> 01:43:33.569
I mean, it's definitely like this movie knows when to
2197
01:43:33.590 --> 01:43:35.229
like ramp up some action stuff. It does.
2198
01:43:35.409 --> 01:43:39.090
Yeah. It does action really well. Right. Um, So Durant's
2199
01:43:39.130 --> 01:43:42.119
hanging from the rope still. Then he, uh, he starts
2200
01:43:42.199 --> 01:43:45.619
running on top of a, a semi truck and basically
2201
01:43:45.739 --> 01:43:48.100
like hooks the rope onto the front of the semi truck.
2202
01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:50.520
And then there's a tunnel coming up. Right. So it's
2203
01:43:50.539 --> 01:43:52.479
like Terminator. Well, this is a couple of years before
2204
01:43:52.859 --> 01:43:55.439
Terminator two, uh, one year before it actually. Cause it
2205
01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:58.689
makes me think of the, when the semi crashes into the, um,
2206
01:43:59.170 --> 01:44:00.569
the tunnel and Terminator two.
2207
01:44:00.590 --> 01:44:03.569
Oh yeah. And all those tires are just like everywhere. Yeah.
2208
01:44:03.789 --> 01:44:05.489
And kind of same thing here. So he's got the
2209
01:44:05.529 --> 01:44:08.489
helicopter attached to the semi truck and it's going into
2210
01:44:08.569 --> 01:44:11.029
like a tunnel and he's like, he tells her and
2211
01:44:11.050 --> 01:44:13.840
he's like, kiss your ass goodbye. And like the helicopter
2212
01:44:13.909 --> 01:44:15.920
literally crashes with the tunnel and explodes.
2213
01:44:16.140 --> 01:44:16.779
Nice one liner.
2214
01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:17.439
It's pretty sweet.
2215
01:44:17.460 --> 01:44:17.539
Yeah.
2216
01:44:17.579 --> 01:44:19.600
It's a good one liner. And like, that's a, that's
2217
01:44:19.619 --> 01:44:24.560
a clever kill. So we cut to a Strack at
2218
01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:26.720
the city of the future, which is the, you know,
2219
01:44:26.779 --> 01:44:31.850
basically the giant skyscraper that's under construction, you know, lots
2220
01:44:31.890 --> 01:44:34.350
of girders and, beams up there not a lot of
2221
01:44:34.390 --> 01:44:41.189
flooring right pretty precarious pretty precarious right Durant shows up
2222
01:44:41.229 --> 01:44:44.369
he's obviously survived and he tells Strack he's like well
2223
01:44:44.390 --> 01:44:46.510
Westlake's like a cockroach you just just mean to think
2224
01:44:46.529 --> 01:44:49.229
you've killed him he pops up somewhere else so they're
2225
01:44:49.250 --> 01:44:51.729
taking the elevator to the top you know as who
2226
01:44:51.750 --> 01:44:56.090
said this Durant so Durant survives the helicopter explosion right
2227
01:44:56.550 --> 01:44:58.930
and he tells Strack the business man that he's working
2228
01:44:58.949 --> 01:45:02.069
for is like oh Westlake he'll pop up somewhere else
2229
01:45:02.090 --> 01:45:07.020
he's not dead There's.
2230
01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:07.060
A lot of moving parts, trying to keep track of
2231
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:07.479
who's saying who.
2232
01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:10.579
There's a lot of moving parts, yep. So while they're
2233
01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:12.819
riding the elevator up to the top, Strack reveals that
2234
01:45:12.899 --> 01:45:15.329
he killed his first wife in a plane crash. So,
2235
01:45:15.369 --> 01:45:16.090
of course, he's evil.
2236
01:45:17.130 --> 01:45:18.789
We already knew he was evil.
2237
01:45:18.949 --> 01:45:19.689
Yeah, more evil.
2238
01:45:19.789 --> 01:45:21.409
Definitely fuck this guy now.
2239
01:45:23.210 --> 01:45:25.210
So you see him kind of walking across the girders
2240
01:45:25.250 --> 01:45:27.109
at the top.
2241
01:45:27.659 --> 01:45:31.199
Oh, wait, no, I think he was romantic previously. romantically
2242
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:33.939
involved with a girl that Frank Trevon Jr. is going
2243
01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:37.340
after right now. And so he's just saying, like, look,
2244
01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:39.460
love does not matter to me at all. Like, I
2245
01:45:39.500 --> 01:45:42.119
will throw you off. I don't care. I think that's
2246
01:45:42.140 --> 01:45:42.920
the point he's trying to make.
2247
01:45:42.939 --> 01:45:47.340
Yeah. So he tells, so Strack tells Durant, he's like, oh,
2248
01:45:47.380 --> 01:45:51.979
you know, something like, you're trying to secure your kid's future, right?
2249
01:45:52.460 --> 01:45:55.460
And Durant's like, yeah. He's like, that's kind of weird.
2250
01:45:56.539 --> 01:46:00.609
And just then, Strack basically is like, Aha! He pulls
2251
01:46:00.649 --> 01:46:03.170
off the... He Scooby-Doos him, basically. He pulls off the
2252
01:46:03.189 --> 01:46:05.949
mask off of Durant. He's like, the real Durant doesn't
2253
01:46:05.989 --> 01:46:10.529
have kids. So he just, like, I don't know. Pulls
2254
01:46:10.689 --> 01:46:12.329
one up on him. I think that's kind of funny.
2255
01:46:12.869 --> 01:46:13.340
I do, too.
2256
01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.779
And I could be mistaken on this, but I also
2257
01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:20.380
want to say that Durant was, like, maybe a little...
2258
01:46:20.859 --> 01:46:23.359
He wasn't as sure-footed as maybe he should have been
2259
01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:25.260
up there on the beams, and maybe that was kind of.
2260
01:46:25.260 --> 01:46:26.880
Given in a way. That was another tell. Yeah.
2261
01:46:27.720 --> 01:46:27.840
Yep.
2262
01:46:28.699 --> 01:46:29.279
Pretty cool, though.
2263
01:46:29.380 --> 01:46:30.819
So he was already on to him just for that.
2264
01:46:30.899 --> 01:46:33.140
So then he asked, like, the trick question and then
2265
01:46:33.340 --> 01:46:34.079
confirmed it with it.
2266
01:46:34.220 --> 01:46:38.600
Yeah. So then, yeah, so he unmasks the fake Durant, again,
2267
01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:47.310
revealing Dr. Westlake and all his Two-Face-style goryness, right? You know,
2268
01:46:47.319 --> 01:46:50.869
Two-Face in Dark Knight, he's got the vertical split screen
2269
01:46:50.909 --> 01:46:54.670
going down, and Dr. Westlake's got the horizontal split screen.
2270
01:46:54.689 --> 01:46:57.069
It's kind of like the lower half of his face
2271
01:46:57.109 --> 01:46:59.409
is all messed up, right? Right. Yeah.
2272
01:46:59.430 --> 01:47:02.250
Like, I definitely prefer the horizontal.
2273
01:47:02.310 --> 01:47:04.840
The vertical. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2274
01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:07.439
It's like Fry with a mermaid. He's like, wait, why
2275
01:47:07.460 --> 01:47:08.739
can't the mermaid part be?
2276
01:47:08.979 --> 01:47:11.399
Yeah, exactly. What does he say? Why can't it be
2277
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:12.960
on the top and the humor part on the bottom
2278
01:47:12.979 --> 01:47:13.600
or something like that?
2279
01:47:13.619 --> 01:47:13.920
Yeah.
2280
01:47:14.020 --> 01:47:19.510
And it's a reverse. Yeah. But yeah, Julie then, this
2281
01:47:19.609 --> 01:47:22.170
is the first time Julie has seen what Peyton really
2282
01:47:22.229 --> 01:47:25.369
looks like, you know, with all the damage to her
2283
01:47:25.390 --> 01:47:26.050
face and everything.
2284
01:47:26.069 --> 01:47:26.970
Hamburglar face.
2285
01:47:27.250 --> 01:47:27.369
Yeah.
2286
01:47:27.390 --> 01:47:27.489
Yeah.
2287
01:47:28.180 --> 01:47:30.180
And so she's horrified. And then I think this is
2288
01:47:30.220 --> 01:47:32.840
a Predator reference here when Stacks looks at him and
2289
01:47:32.859 --> 01:47:37.140
he just says, you're one ugly son of a bitch. Oh, yeah.
2290
01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:39.350
Which is kind of like when the Predator unmasks and
2291
01:47:39.430 --> 01:47:42.350
he's like, you one ugly motherfucker or whatever it was.
2292
01:47:42.569 --> 01:47:43.829
And the Predator goes, meh.
2293
01:47:44.090 --> 01:47:50.710
Yeah. So that's pretty funny. He tries to get Dr.
2294
01:47:51.210 --> 01:47:54.359
Westlake on his side, you know, as the villain does. Like, oh,
2295
01:47:54.380 --> 01:47:56.859
you could make a lot of money, you know. And
2296
01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:59.079
then here, we didn't mention this, but this is what
2297
01:47:59.420 --> 01:48:05.960
you pointed this out. What's Dr. Westlake's signature move that
2298
01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:06.399
he does?
2299
01:48:06.970 --> 01:48:11.789
He does this, I don't know, Dracula dive bomb from
2300
01:48:11.829 --> 01:48:12.529
the top rope.
2301
01:48:12.710 --> 01:48:14.289
Basically, yeah.
2302
01:48:14.350 --> 01:48:15.010
It's amazing.
2303
01:48:15.250 --> 01:48:17.619
Because the last couple of times when he's fighting goons,
2304
01:48:17.619 --> 01:48:20.319
right like he's always like literally getting the drop on
2305
01:48:20.340 --> 01:48:22.640
him so he's just jumping down on top of him
2306
01:48:23.390 --> 01:48:24.449
you know doing whatever.
2307
01:48:24.250 --> 01:48:26.310
Yeah just imagine like the palpitating noise or.
2308
01:48:26.310 --> 01:48:30.409
Is it just yeah because he was literally just following
2309
01:48:30.449 --> 01:48:33.180
him across this girder and then all of a sudden
2310
01:48:33.729 --> 01:48:35.909
He looks up, and then here's Dr. West, like, surprising
2311
01:48:35.949 --> 01:48:36.630
him from above.
2312
01:48:36.649 --> 01:48:38.750
It's like the third time he's done it in the movie,
2313
01:48:38.789 --> 01:48:39.210
I swear.
2314
01:48:39.270 --> 01:48:41.810
Yeah, exactly, yeah. You know when you have, like, you
2315
01:48:41.850 --> 01:48:44.829
know one good move in a fighting game? You just
2316
01:48:44.869 --> 01:48:47.449
stick to that move. You just keep spamming it.
2317
01:48:47.470 --> 01:48:48.710
Yeah, crutch it hard as hell.
2318
01:48:49.029 --> 01:48:49.550
Right.
2319
01:48:49.590 --> 01:48:51.550
He's crutching this one for sure.
2320
01:48:51.569 --> 01:48:53.609
So anyway, so they start to fight, and while they're
2321
01:48:53.630 --> 01:48:57.250
fighting atop the girder, Julie gets thrown from the building,
2322
01:48:57.689 --> 01:48:59.470
and she gets caught on a hook hanging over the edge.
2323
01:48:59.550 --> 01:49:01.970
So she's in a precarious position.
2324
01:49:02.300 --> 01:49:05.239
Yeah, she's not, like, immediately in the way of the fight,
2325
01:49:05.310 --> 01:49:06.890
but we have to get to her soon or else.
2326
01:49:07.489 --> 01:49:10.390
And here's another kind of link to Batman a little bit. Like,
2327
01:49:10.430 --> 01:49:13.569
the end of this kind of feels like 89 Batman where.
2328
01:49:16.069 --> 01:49:18.479
You know, Vicky Vale's up there and Batman's fighting the
2329
01:49:18.520 --> 01:49:20.859
Joker and the goons in the clock tower. It's like
2330
01:49:20.899 --> 01:49:22.460
that same kind of peril, right?
2331
01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:24.720
Yeah, like way high up. Yeah, I didn't even think
2332
01:49:24.739 --> 01:49:26.819
about that, but same sort of shtick, yeah.
2333
01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:30.300
And again, even Danny Elfman's music in this scene sounds
2334
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:33.920
similar in places to the Batman music too, which is
2335
01:49:33.979 --> 01:49:38.659
kind of cool. It also is similar to Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.
2336
01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:40.979
Because remember at the end of Spider-Man, they have the
2337
01:49:41.020 --> 01:49:46.560
fight in the half-constructed tower block? Between the Goblin and Spider-Man?
2338
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:48.270
Yeah, absolutely.
2339
01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:53.649
Yeah. So it's cool how that stuff kind of, you know, repeats.
2340
01:49:53.710 --> 01:49:55.229
And especially as you go back and you look at
2341
01:49:55.289 --> 01:49:58.390
earlier films, then you make those connections. You're like, oh, shit. Okay,
2342
01:49:58.409 --> 01:49:59.329
I see where he got that from.
2343
01:50:00.029 --> 01:50:02.569
I haven't read through the script entirely, but there's like
2344
01:50:02.689 --> 01:50:08.590
definitely more Spider-Man sort of inspiration on how this all unfolds, too. Mm-hmm.
2345
01:50:09.310 --> 01:50:09.470
Yeah.
2346
01:50:09.510 --> 01:50:12.449
Like how he defeats what's-his-nuts. Yeah.
2347
01:50:12.909 --> 01:50:14.390
Durant. Or Strack.
2348
01:50:14.689 --> 01:50:14.930
Strack.
2349
01:50:14.970 --> 01:50:16.710
Yeah, how he defeats Strack. The main bad guy. Well,
2350
01:50:16.770 --> 01:50:20.050
and even look at the end of Spider-Man, you get
2351
01:50:20.090 --> 01:50:25.000
Mary Jane hanging, dangling from in peril as well, right?
2352
01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:26.220
Oh, yeah.
2353
01:50:26.699 --> 01:50:31.920
Same thing. So anyway, at this point then, she's hanging
2354
01:50:31.939 --> 01:50:33.699
on by a thread, right?
2355
01:50:33.770 --> 01:50:33.939
Dr.
2356
01:50:33.970 --> 01:50:37.350
Russ, like, basically, there's like another goon up there, and
2357
01:50:37.369 --> 01:50:41.210
there's like a bunch of cables and pulleys and stuff. So...
2358
01:50:42.270 --> 01:50:46.130
He hooks a goon up by a cable and wastes him.
2359
01:50:46.149 --> 01:50:50.159
And then Strax picked up this giant rivet gun. So
2360
01:50:50.220 --> 01:50:55.479
he's shooting at Dr. Westlake with his rivet gun and
2361
01:50:55.939 --> 01:50:58.250
kind of like pins him. You know, like his hand
2362
01:50:58.329 --> 01:51:00.369
is like pinned up against the girder now.
2363
01:51:00.609 --> 01:51:03.739
Well, before that epic little showdown here, I want to
2364
01:51:04.020 --> 01:51:05.720
take a moment on those ropes and stuff because I
2365
01:51:05.739 --> 01:51:07.399
feel like that's very Spider-Man-esque.
2366
01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:07.899
Oh, absolutely.
2367
01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:09.359
Because he's like, he swings on him for a minute
2368
01:51:09.380 --> 01:51:11.000
and he like kind of grabs one and he kicks him.
2369
01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:13.680
And like the camera angle as the dude gets kicked
2370
01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:15.539
and nearly falls, it kind of like follows him as
2371
01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:16.279
he swings.
2372
01:51:16.500 --> 01:51:16.680
Yep.
2373
01:51:16.939 --> 01:51:19.399
Like very much the same sort of camera work that
2374
01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:21.970
follows Spider-Man as he swings on a web. 100%. So
2375
01:51:22.010 --> 01:51:25.850
like that's. very much. That's like a prototype Spider-Man. If
2376
01:51:25.909 --> 01:51:28.239
I thought like the DNA sort of sequence scene was
2377
01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:31.300
prototype Spider-Man scene, like this one is almost like a recreation,
2378
01:51:31.340 --> 01:51:31.579
you know?
2379
01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:35.279
Yep. Yeah. It's just like, okay, we're, we're kind of, okay,
2380
01:51:35.300 --> 01:51:36.800
this is how we do it. And then by the
2381
01:51:36.840 --> 01:51:38.359
time you get Spider-Man, it's like, oh yeah, we'll do
2382
01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:40.880
the same technique that we did on dark man, but
2383
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:42.420
we can do it better now. Exactly.
2384
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:44.420
Like the wire technology is so much cooler, you know,
2385
01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:46.960
and cameras are better. And let's just like, yeah, like I,
2386
01:51:47.060 --> 01:51:48.859
I have the blueprint for this already. Yep.
2387
01:51:49.039 --> 01:51:51.119
We've already done it. We can do it better. Yeah.
2388
01:51:51.859 --> 01:51:54.590
Very cool. So yeah, And then, of course, since Dr.
2389
01:51:54.689 --> 01:52:00.420
Westlake can't feel pain, he pulls his right hand through
2390
01:52:00.460 --> 01:52:04.619
the rivet, and he is beating up Strack.
2391
01:52:05.020 --> 01:52:07.020
I forgot he couldn't feel pain for this moment. So
2392
01:52:07.060 --> 01:52:09.739
that's how he's able to just rip it through. I
2393
01:52:09.779 --> 01:52:11.590
wish he would have had some sort of monologue.
2394
01:52:11.649 --> 01:52:13.390
I know, right? Again, if it was a modern movie,
2395
01:52:13.409 --> 01:52:15.170
he'd be like, I can't feel pain, so I can
2396
01:52:15.189 --> 01:52:20.470
pull my hand out of this. Just that kind of bullshit. But, yeah,
2397
01:52:20.510 --> 01:52:23.260
so he gets the upper hand on Strack. And then,
2398
01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:25.619
of course, they're still fighting and Strax egging him on
2399
01:52:25.699 --> 01:52:27.760
is like, you know, I've got to know Julie quite well.
2400
01:52:27.779 --> 01:52:33.550
And she doesn't date freaks, you know, which, again, enrages Dr. Westlake. Right.
2401
01:52:33.569 --> 01:52:38.109
And then just then he sees Julie. She's hanging by
2402
01:52:38.149 --> 01:52:41.210
a thread. This is where you're talking about. Yeah, she falls.
2403
01:52:41.729 --> 01:52:45.689
He swings to her rescue with the pulleys. So very Spider-Man-esque.
2404
01:52:45.789 --> 01:52:48.569
Another one. Because he did it in the fight, too.
2405
01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:50.579
He just did like a swing kick as well. So
2406
01:52:50.619 --> 01:52:52.220
he's Spider-Man-ing around this bitch.
2407
01:52:52.260 --> 01:52:53.899
Basically, yeah. So that's what he does. Then he comes
2408
01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:54.539
back around.
2409
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:58.199
And you haven't seen Spider-Man 3? Same movie, Spider-Man 3?
2410
01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:01.020
But the ending is like the setting is the same
2411
01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:02.899
exact setting. I'm sure it is, yeah. It's like the
2412
01:53:03.340 --> 01:53:06.260
bones of a building, like a construction, like a skyscraper.
2413
01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:08.239
Again, see, it's a very.
2414
01:53:08.619 --> 01:53:09.220
Times a flat circle.
2415
01:53:09.619 --> 01:53:11.640
Yeah, it's a very good trope for these kind of things.
2416
01:53:11.739 --> 01:53:14.140
You know, you have the final boss area is, like,
2417
01:53:15.020 --> 01:53:17.560
kind of precarious, right? A lot of danger, a lot
2418
01:53:17.579 --> 01:53:21.819
of hazards there. So, yeah, he swings back. He kicks Strack,
2419
01:53:22.619 --> 01:53:25.789
and Strack kind of falls off the building. But Dr.
2420
01:53:25.810 --> 01:53:29.409
Westlake hangs on to him. He's holding on to, like,
2421
01:53:29.449 --> 01:53:33.569
his pant leg or whatever. And this is a good
2422
01:53:33.590 --> 01:53:36.189
part where Strack's just like, there's no way that you
2423
01:53:36.229 --> 01:53:40.229
can kill him and live with it. And Dr. Westlake
2424
01:53:40.250 --> 01:53:43.090
just literally closes his eyes and he just lets Strack
2425
01:53:43.130 --> 01:53:45.770
fall to his death. He's like, I'm learning to live
2426
01:53:45.789 --> 01:53:48.409
with a lot of things. What do you think about that?
2427
01:53:48.689 --> 01:53:52.010
I think that if it wasn't Liam Neeson's badass delivery,
2428
01:53:52.050 --> 01:53:54.250
I don't think it stuck the landing half as well
2429
01:53:54.270 --> 01:53:56.869
as it did. But coming from Liam Neeson, it works, dude.
2430
01:53:56.890 --> 01:53:57.329
It works.
2431
01:53:57.390 --> 01:54:01.869
Yeah. So that's pretty good because Batman wouldn't kill somebody,
2432
01:54:01.949 --> 01:54:03.189
but Darkman would.
2433
01:54:03.770 --> 01:54:08.060
Yeah, that's a good way to kind of draw the
2434
01:54:08.119 --> 01:54:11.140
line between the two, you know, like definitely like the
2435
01:54:11.180 --> 01:54:13.659
moral compass is, is strikingly different.
2436
01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:17.630
Yup. Uh, so we're riding the elevator down now, uh,
2437
01:54:17.649 --> 01:54:20.689
Peyton with, uh, Julie and he's like, don't look at me,
2438
01:54:21.510 --> 01:54:23.189
which made me think of, uh, I don't know if
2439
01:54:23.210 --> 01:54:26.329
you've seen the original Hellraiser, but when, uh, when Frank
2440
01:54:26.369 --> 01:54:29.399
comes back in Hellraiser and he's all like gooey and
2441
01:54:29.420 --> 01:54:31.739
stuff and he's telling his girl, he's like, don't look
2442
01:54:31.779 --> 01:54:35.149
at me. It's like same kind of thing. Right. Um,
2443
01:54:35.949 --> 01:54:38.170
But then Julie's like, no, I want to look. We
2444
01:54:38.189 --> 01:54:41.479
can make it work. And then this is where Westlake,
2445
01:54:41.899 --> 01:54:45.220
he's like, I've thought about it. But, you know, I
2446
01:54:45.260 --> 01:54:49.680
felt myself changing, felt myself becoming a monster, right? And
2447
01:54:49.699 --> 01:54:52.890
he's like, I can live with that now, but nobody
2448
01:54:52.909 --> 01:54:55.510
else can, right? And it's kind of like, you know
2449
01:54:55.550 --> 01:55:01.710
how in Batman Begins when Alfred is telling Bruce, he's like,
2450
01:55:01.729 --> 01:55:04.859
you know, this thing you've created, like, this is a monster, right? And, like,
2451
01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:07.560
if you don't keep this under control, it's going to
2452
01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:10.380
control you. And that's basically what happens at the end
2453
01:55:10.420 --> 01:55:14.180
of Darkman, is basically, like, he succumbs to it. And
2454
01:55:14.659 --> 01:55:19.229
Julie is just like, she wants Peyton in her life because,
2455
01:55:19.510 --> 01:55:21.829
you know, she already mourned him once. He came back,
2456
01:55:22.430 --> 01:55:25.210
and now he's like, no, no, we're not doing this,
2457
01:55:25.710 --> 01:55:29.770
you know. And so that fucks her up, right? Because
2458
01:55:29.789 --> 01:55:32.850
then he literally tells her then, you know, this is like,
2459
01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.960
A few scenes ago, he was like ready to be
2460
01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:38.880
with her and tie the knot and everything. But now
2461
01:55:38.899 --> 01:55:43.859
he's just like, he's like, Peyton's gone. You know, the
2462
01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:48.189
only thing that's left is Darkman. Right. Yeah.
2463
01:55:48.229 --> 01:55:51.989
I feel like he maybe feels he's entirely too morally
2464
01:55:52.029 --> 01:55:54.229
compromised at this point to kind of come back and
2465
01:55:54.270 --> 01:55:56.270
be who he was beforehand.
2466
01:55:56.510 --> 01:55:56.729
Yeah.
2467
01:55:57.369 --> 01:55:59.489
Who was the person that she had fallen in love with.
2468
01:56:00.689 --> 01:56:03.520
So that fucks her up pretty bad. He puts on
2469
01:56:03.560 --> 01:56:07.149
a mask and just runs out. And so then she
2470
01:56:07.189 --> 01:56:11.789
chases after him, doesn't find him. And so what happens
2471
01:56:11.829 --> 01:56:14.310
in the last part of this movie here when she
2472
01:56:14.329 --> 01:56:17.609
goes out and she's looking for him? You son of
2473
01:56:17.689 --> 01:56:22.930
a bitch. She finds Bruce Campbell. Motherfucking Bruce Campbell. Okay.
2474
01:56:24.050 --> 01:56:25.710
You got me so good with that, too.
2475
01:56:25.729 --> 01:56:27.890
Man, I couldn't say anything because if I would have
2476
01:56:27.909 --> 01:56:30.220
said something, you would have been like, okay, I haven't
2477
01:56:30.229 --> 01:56:31.680
seen him yet, but he's going to be here somewhere.
2478
01:56:31.979 --> 01:56:32.350
I know.
2479
01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:33.149
You'd be looking for him.
2480
01:56:33.479 --> 01:56:36.739
You handled that flawlessly. You were like, no, it's not
2481
01:56:36.779 --> 01:56:38.100
in this one. And I believed you, too. And I
2482
01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:40.460
was like, oh, weird. But it was like early on
2483
01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:42.680
in his catalog. And I was like, schedule it. I
2484
01:56:42.699 --> 01:56:45.100
guess Bruce couldn't make it to this one.
2485
01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:47.680
Except he did at the very end.
2486
01:56:47.979 --> 01:56:50.479
Yeah, and it's so good because it's not just one
2487
01:56:50.510 --> 01:56:52.590
of the Easter eggs that he always does. It actually
2488
01:56:52.649 --> 01:56:55.489
was part of the plot on how the movie actually
2489
01:56:55.569 --> 01:56:58.510
ended because he disappears into the crowd because he's this
2490
01:56:58.590 --> 01:56:59.670
unrecognizable face.
2491
01:56:59.729 --> 01:57:02.550
Yep. He just turns into Bruce Campbell and leaves, and
2492
01:57:02.590 --> 01:57:03.329
that's the end of the film.
2493
01:57:03.449 --> 01:57:05.609
Yeah, and he probably goes to kill some deadites somewhere.
2494
01:57:05.630 --> 01:57:07.529
Pretty much. You know, it's funny you mention that, though,
2495
01:57:07.569 --> 01:57:13.649
because there is a graphic novel crossover of Darkman versus
2496
01:57:13.689 --> 01:57:14.369
Army of Darkness.
2497
01:57:14.689 --> 01:57:15.130
Oh, cool.
2498
01:57:15.430 --> 01:57:19.800
It's really good, so. So yeah, then we roll credits
2499
01:57:19.880 --> 01:57:22.619
and that's the end of the film. Funny enough, in
2500
01:57:22.649 --> 01:57:25.909
the credits, Bruce Campbell is credited, his character name is
2501
01:57:25.930 --> 01:57:30.350
listed as Final Shemp, which is a Three Stooges reference.
2502
01:57:31.029 --> 01:57:36.270
So Shemp Howard was one of the Stooges that when Curly,
2503
01:57:37.029 --> 01:57:40.250
the original Curly passed away and then they replaced him
2504
01:57:40.270 --> 01:57:44.489
with the character Shemp. But then after the series had
2505
01:57:44.649 --> 01:57:46.350
kind of run its course and they were still making
2506
01:57:46.390 --> 01:57:51.239
movies and shit uh when uh shemp died they kept
2507
01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:54.460
him in the movies and just doubled him with lookalikes
2508
01:57:55.220 --> 01:57:57.439
like just in the background and stuff like that so
2509
01:57:57.460 --> 01:57:59.970
they kind of back to the future to him like
2510
01:57:59.970 --> 01:58:02.880
crispin glover a little bit where it's like it's not
2511
01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:05.579
really him but he's still on the scene it's weird
2512
01:58:05.579 --> 01:58:08.140
so hence the term final ship so that's kind of
2513
01:58:08.140 --> 01:58:09.159
that's kind of the thing.
2514
01:58:09.460 --> 01:58:12.069
So... That's cool, like, inside baseball, sort of.
2515
01:58:12.260 --> 01:58:14.619
Totally. There's a lot of inside baseball stuff here. Yeah.
2516
01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.819
I'm talking about... I mean, let's just get into just
2517
01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:20.609
kind of talking about the movie a little bit. Bruce
2518
01:58:20.630 --> 01:58:25.149
Campbell being in it and being Darkman at the end
2519
01:58:25.350 --> 01:58:29.340
is kind of funny, because they originally... wanted Bruce to
2520
01:58:29.420 --> 01:58:32.880
be dark man in the movie. Oh, I should also
2521
01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:36.159
say the, the name dark man isn't actually mentioned until
2522
01:58:36.189 --> 01:58:38.829
the very end of the film. So he doesn't reference
2523
01:58:39.170 --> 01:58:41.850
himself as dark man until the very end. He's like,
2524
01:58:41.909 --> 01:58:42.890
I'm dark man.
2525
01:58:43.029 --> 01:58:43.770
Good point. Good.
2526
01:58:43.810 --> 01:58:47.449
So really this could be dark man begins. Yeah.
2527
01:58:48.789 --> 01:58:51.229
So, and they like, I'm not going to lie. Like
2528
01:58:51.609 --> 01:58:54.449
Spider-Man and Batman, like, Oh, like Nola Batman and everything
2529
01:58:54.470 --> 01:58:58.789
like that. Like seriously, like took a few notes. More
2530
01:58:58.869 --> 01:58:59.649
than one, you know?
2531
01:59:00.149 --> 01:59:02.489
Absolutely. Which again, that's why I was talking early on
2532
01:59:02.510 --> 01:59:05.550
where I'm like, I'm really surprised that more people don't
2533
01:59:05.609 --> 01:59:08.449
know about this. You know, I thought more people knew
2534
01:59:08.489 --> 01:59:10.819
about than they did because it really did influence a
2535
01:59:10.859 --> 01:59:12.619
ton of stuff that we now take for granted.
2536
01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:15.560
It's how they keep getting away with it. They don't know.
2537
01:59:15.699 --> 01:59:17.090
Keep getting away with it.
2538
01:59:18.199 --> 01:59:20.220
Uh, but yeah, so they wanted, they wanted Bruce Campbell
2539
01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:24.979
to do it originally. Um, but then studio involvement kind
2540
01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.359
of forced them to kind of pick, you know, go
2541
01:59:27.390 --> 01:59:30.449
with somebody else. And it kind of the same thing
2542
01:59:30.489 --> 01:59:32.149
happened with the script. The script had a bunch of
2543
01:59:32.189 --> 01:59:34.140
different writers. A lot of people were working on this
2544
01:59:34.180 --> 01:59:38.180
for a long time because, um, he kind of, like
2545
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:40.319
I said, he, he fashioned this in the, in the
2546
01:59:40.359 --> 01:59:45.460
style of a 1930s universal monster film. But really the
2547
01:59:45.500 --> 01:59:48.369
whole reason for dark man sort of existing as it is,
2548
01:59:48.409 --> 01:59:54.470
is because Sam Raimi wanted to adapt either the character
2549
01:59:54.510 --> 01:59:58.039
of the shadow or Batman. He wanted to make, one
2550
01:59:58.060 --> 02:00:01.939
of those movies and he couldn't get the rights to
2551
02:00:02.020 --> 02:00:04.399
make either of those things. And so then just created
2552
02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:09.239
his own character, hence dark man. And what they originally made,
2553
02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:14.010
they had shot the film, got heavily edited and cut
2554
02:00:14.050 --> 02:00:17.069
down by the studio. Oh no. It was one of
2555
02:00:17.109 --> 02:00:19.789
those kinds of things. Like it was already a tumultuous
2556
02:00:19.989 --> 02:00:24.989
filming process, but then they finished filming and they were
2557
02:00:25.010 --> 02:00:27.369
going to do the edit. And basically then the studio
2558
02:00:27.390 --> 02:00:29.489
was like, you guys have worked hard. Why don't you
2559
02:00:29.529 --> 02:00:32.630
take a three-week vacation? So while Sam Raimi and some
2560
02:00:32.649 --> 02:00:35.130
other people went on vacation, then the studio had people
2561
02:00:35.170 --> 02:00:39.010
come in and cut a bunch of the weird shit
2562
02:00:39.050 --> 02:00:40.850
out of the movie. Right?
2563
02:00:41.069 --> 02:00:42.489
All the cool Raimi stuff, I'm sure.
2564
02:00:42.569 --> 02:00:45.630
All the cool Raimi stuff. And this came from the
2565
02:00:45.670 --> 02:00:48.850
interview I read with Danny Elfman. And Elfman was the
2566
02:00:48.890 --> 02:00:50.289
one who was saying, he's like, yeah, he's like, the
2567
02:00:50.329 --> 02:00:53.590
weird stuff is what made the movie work. Right? So
2568
02:00:53.609 --> 02:00:56.789
they were getting really close to finalizing the film so
2569
02:00:56.829 --> 02:00:59.020
they could get the final sound mix and then get
2570
02:00:59.050 --> 02:01:01.869
it shipped off to theaters and stuff like that. And
2571
02:01:02.770 --> 02:01:06.149
somebody with Ramey's people got wind of this and they, um,
2572
02:01:06.449 --> 02:01:11.689
basically somebody, then they snuck back in and spent like
2573
02:01:12.819 --> 02:01:15.979
the last two days before the movie was due. They
2574
02:01:16.000 --> 02:01:18.380
spent the last two days, like editing the shit back
2575
02:01:18.460 --> 02:01:20.600
into the movie that they wanted to be in the movie.
2576
02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:20.899
Whoa.
2577
02:01:21.399 --> 02:01:24.859
And they didn't tell the studio executives. So then by
2578
02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:28.439
the time they started printing negatives and getting everything wrapped up,
2579
02:01:28.479 --> 02:01:31.840
the studio executives were furious. Because at this point, they
2580
02:01:31.859 --> 02:01:34.859
already kind of were like, okay, we don't really understand
2581
02:01:34.899 --> 02:01:38.319
this movie. We don't know how to sell it. But
2582
02:01:38.340 --> 02:01:40.390
the marketing team did. And that's like that Who is
2583
02:01:40.430 --> 02:01:44.270
Darkman thing with the poster and stuff. They got it.
2584
02:01:44.630 --> 02:01:47.250
You're trying to generate hype for who is this character.
2585
02:01:47.810 --> 02:01:49.569
Yeah, like a unique character.
2586
02:01:50.079 --> 02:01:55.859
Very unique, right? Yeah, an amalgamation of Batman and the Shadow, right? So, yeah,
2587
02:01:56.199 --> 02:01:59.300
I think it's cool, like, how it came to be
2588
02:01:59.739 --> 02:02:02.850
like that, because I think it works better as an
2589
02:02:02.909 --> 02:02:06.010
original thing. But that being said, I would love to
2590
02:02:06.050 --> 02:02:09.229
see Sam Raimi's take on the Shadow or Batman. Me too.
2591
02:02:09.810 --> 02:02:11.210
Because I think either one would be awesome.
2592
02:02:11.710 --> 02:02:15.489
Yeah, like, after he's been given, like, another couple of, like, superheroes,
2593
02:02:15.529 --> 02:02:18.260
he did Spider-Man, he also did Doctor Strange, so I
2594
02:02:18.260 --> 02:02:23.149
would love to... Get another flagship premiere sort of superhero
2595
02:02:23.170 --> 02:02:23.729
movie from him.
2596
02:02:24.090 --> 02:02:29.430
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Bill Paxton was almost cast as
2597
02:02:29.470 --> 02:02:31.489
Peyton Westlake instead of Liam Neeson.
2598
02:02:32.149 --> 02:02:32.289
Eh.
2599
02:02:33.550 --> 02:02:34.130
Eh. Yeah.
2600
02:02:34.529 --> 02:02:36.689
Dodged a bullet there for sure. I don't think that
2601
02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:37.340
would have been very good.
2602
02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:41.000
Well, here's what's funny about it, though, is Bill Paxton
2603
02:02:41.039 --> 02:02:44.899
was friends with Liam Neeson. So at the time that
2604
02:02:44.939 --> 02:02:48.859
this was going on, Paxton told Liam Neeson about the audition,
2605
02:02:49.220 --> 02:02:51.859
and he's like, oh, you should go audition. I think
2606
02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:52.520
you'd be really good at this.
2607
02:02:52.539 --> 02:02:53.020
Sniped it from him.
2608
02:02:53.220 --> 02:02:55.960
Yeah, and so Neeson got the role, and Bill Paxton
2609
02:02:56.159 --> 02:02:59.430
was pissed, and they didn't speak for months because of that,
2610
02:02:59.489 --> 02:03:01.229
which I think is hilarious. But like you said, I
2611
02:03:01.270 --> 02:03:03.409
think it works better with Liam Neeson.
2612
02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:06.380
And I wonder, kind of going back to the other one,
2613
02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:09.260
I wonder if there's, like, a director's cut that exists
2614
02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:11.079
in a vault somewhere that has all the original.
2615
02:03:11.300 --> 02:03:13.199
I would love to see a restored version, yeah, because
2616
02:03:13.220 --> 02:03:14.819
I would love to see what the original version would
2617
02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:17.100
have been like if it was, like, pure Raimi, if
2618
02:03:17.159 --> 02:03:20.439
it was going to be even weirder, you know. But
2619
02:03:20.479 --> 02:03:22.470
here's where it gets even weirder, then. They made two
2620
02:03:22.510 --> 02:03:25.949
direct-to-video sequels, which was the style at the time in
2621
02:03:25.970 --> 02:03:30.069
the 90s, you know. Before sending a movie directly to streaming, like,
2622
02:03:30.090 --> 02:03:32.510
you just made a direct-to-video movie, so somebody would just
2623
02:03:32.569 --> 02:03:35.390
rent it in the store. So they made Darkman 2,
2624
02:03:35.390 --> 02:03:41.750
The Revenge of Durant, and they made Darkman 3, Die, Darkman, Die. Weird. Yeah.
2625
02:03:42.229 --> 02:03:44.590
But here's the thing, then. Liam Neeson was not in
2626
02:03:45.149 --> 02:03:47.590
either of those two films playing Darkman. You want to
2627
02:03:47.609 --> 02:03:48.050
know who was?
2628
02:03:48.510 --> 02:03:48.670
Who?
2629
02:03:49.630 --> 02:03:51.590
You know the guy Arnold Vosloo?
2630
02:03:52.270 --> 02:03:53.340
Yeah, the mummy.
2631
02:03:53.560 --> 02:03:54.489
Yeah, Imhotep.
2632
02:03:54.729 --> 02:03:55.399
That's awesome.
2633
02:03:55.460 --> 02:03:57.939
Yeah, so he played Darkman in 2 and 3.
2634
02:03:57.939 --> 02:03:58.619
That's cool.
2635
02:03:58.659 --> 02:04:00.600
Which is weird because he has hair, and it's weird
2636
02:04:00.619 --> 02:04:01.500
to see that guy with hair.
2637
02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:02.260
Oh, very strange.
2638
02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:02.539
Yeah.
2639
02:04:03.460 --> 02:04:06.649
So... Yeah. Arnold Bosley was, Imhotep is incredible.
2640
02:04:06.890 --> 02:04:10.850
Yeah. But yeah, the, uh, Darkman two and three are there.
2641
02:04:11.369 --> 02:04:15.529
They're cheesy and fun in a B movie, bad movie
2642
02:04:15.550 --> 02:04:18.050
sort of way, I guess. Not nearly as good.
2643
02:04:17.970 --> 02:04:19.810
As the first one, but probably like all the, uh,
2644
02:04:19.829 --> 02:04:20.989
Starship Trooper sequels.
2645
02:04:22.020 --> 02:04:24.270
Maybe not that bad. Okay.
2646
02:04:24.340 --> 02:04:25.850
But yeah, that's funny.
2647
02:04:26.020 --> 02:04:26.239
Yeah.
2648
02:04:26.539 --> 02:04:27.619
Brutal. Right.
2649
02:04:28.359 --> 02:04:30.460
Uh, but yeah, so, uh, yeah, I already said, uh,
2650
02:04:30.500 --> 02:04:33.939
Sam wanted Bruce to play the role. Um, but the
2651
02:04:34.010 --> 02:04:36.270
producers just, you know, they just didn't think he could
2652
02:04:36.289 --> 02:04:44.369
do it. So, um, basically, yeah. So he couldn't, Raimi
2653
02:04:44.409 --> 02:04:46.630
couldn't make a shadow film. He couldn't make a Batman film.
2654
02:04:46.649 --> 02:04:49.630
We just couldn't get the rights. So, um, he took
2655
02:04:49.670 --> 02:04:54.329
inspiration for dark man from basically a hunchback of Notre Dame,
2656
02:04:54.970 --> 02:04:57.760
Phantom of the opera and the elephant man. So you can,
2657
02:04:57.840 --> 02:04:58.979
you can see that for sure.
2658
02:04:59.359 --> 02:05:00.060
Yeah, absolutely.
2659
02:05:00.100 --> 02:05:04.949
So, uh, this is Liam Neeson's first starring role, of course. Um,
2660
02:05:06.069 --> 02:05:09.710
then like I said, there were a lot of creative differences, um, in,
2661
02:05:09.890 --> 02:05:12.630
in getting the movie made, uh, a lot of, a
2662
02:05:12.850 --> 02:05:16.250
lot of arguing with the studio executives and stuff like that. Um,
2663
02:05:17.329 --> 02:05:20.600
so that's kinda, I think that's the other reason why
2664
02:05:20.609 --> 02:05:22.539
Ramey doesn't want to talk about this too much or
2665
02:05:22.579 --> 02:05:24.659
revisit it really, because it's probably a lot of, a
2666
02:05:25.260 --> 02:05:26.140
lot of bad memories.
2667
02:05:26.579 --> 02:05:28.220
He wants to work with universal again one day.
2668
02:05:28.779 --> 02:05:30.560
Well, I think he, I mean, he did with send help.
2669
02:05:31.140 --> 02:05:33.279
We just talked about send help. Uh, that was universal.
2670
02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:36.329
Yeah. Pretty sure they came back around.
2671
02:05:36.369 --> 02:05:36.970
I think they did.
2672
02:05:36.989 --> 02:05:37.670
It took a while.
2673
02:05:37.689 --> 02:05:41.180
Yep. Uh, but yeah, the script went through like 12
2674
02:05:41.180 --> 02:05:44.899
drafts overall, uh, because you know, they, they wanted to
2675
02:05:44.939 --> 02:05:47.479
really make it kind of, you wanted to kind of explore,
2676
02:05:48.420 --> 02:05:53.119
you know, that, that darkness sort of corrupting a sympathetic, uh,
2677
02:05:53.220 --> 02:05:57.479
sincere character. Right. So it's like, you wonder, I, I'm
2678
02:05:57.520 --> 02:06:00.279
thinking that the original drafts probably were more like a
2679
02:06:00.539 --> 02:06:03.920
universal monster film as far as like, this guy really
2680
02:06:03.960 --> 02:06:06.800
coming to terms with like who he is, you know,
2681
02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:09.079
but as an action film, I think it's, it still works.
2682
02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:10.770
I think it's great, but I would love to see
2683
02:06:10.890 --> 02:06:13.789
like what the first drafts would have been. Me too.
2684
02:06:13.850 --> 02:06:15.369
And I mean, like I said earlier, I had to
2685
02:06:15.409 --> 02:06:17.069
look at this movie more than like that lens of
2686
02:06:17.109 --> 02:06:19.630
a monster movie. Like I feel like enjoy it very
2687
02:06:19.670 --> 02:06:21.750
much because I was originally thinking it was going to
2688
02:06:21.770 --> 02:06:25.960
be like superhero. And that's not really the vibe going on. Yeah.
2689
02:06:27.220 --> 02:06:28.859
Uh, this is a cool little bit of trivia here.
2690
02:06:28.939 --> 02:06:32.020
So in, uh, Bruce's memoir, uh, if chins could kill,
2691
02:06:32.750 --> 02:06:35.569
He talks a little bit about making the movie, making Darkman.
2692
02:06:35.689 --> 02:06:37.970
And in the rough cut of the film, there was
2693
02:06:38.050 --> 02:06:41.989
a scene with the film's main antagonist, which was Louis Strack,
2694
02:06:43.270 --> 02:06:46.680
where the character spreads gold coins across the covers of
2695
02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:49.520
his bed, strips naked, and then rides atop the money
2696
02:06:49.560 --> 02:06:54.539
while laughing maniacally in like a fetishistic ecstasy. But the
2697
02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:57.300
scene was deemed too disturbing by the test audiences and
2698
02:06:57.340 --> 02:07:01.060
cut from the film. which baffled Bruce because that was
2699
02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:04.119
the purpose. The purpose of the scene is to show
2700
02:07:04.579 --> 02:07:05.979
how terrible this character is.
2701
02:07:06.300 --> 02:07:11.939
Yeah, like how weird and unattached. That seems weird of
2702
02:07:11.979 --> 02:07:14.159
all the things to get cut from the movie. That
2703
02:07:14.479 --> 02:07:15.069
didn't make it.
2704
02:07:15.300 --> 02:07:18.729
Right. So Bruce says this was still his personal favorite
2705
02:07:18.739 --> 02:07:22.050
scene in the film. I could see it.
2706
02:07:22.170 --> 02:07:23.770
Scrooge McDuck, evil bastard.
2707
02:07:24.289 --> 02:07:28.760
Yeah, basically, yeah. But yeah, just because of the it
2708
02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:31.560
didn't test well with audiences. So that's what really prompted
2709
02:07:31.619 --> 02:07:35.510
like the the stealth edits and all that stuff. Just
2710
02:07:35.550 --> 02:07:41.270
trying to just trying to salvage the movie. And actually, yeah,
2711
02:07:41.289 --> 02:07:44.550
it was Danny Elfman that learned this was happening. And
2712
02:07:44.590 --> 02:07:46.579
he threatened to take his name off of the movie
2713
02:07:46.619 --> 02:07:50.819
to kind of support Raimi. But eventually Universal just kind
2714
02:07:50.859 --> 02:07:53.810
of was like, well, there's nothing we can do. But then,
2715
02:07:53.850 --> 02:07:56.539
like I said, they snuck back and re-edited the film
2716
02:07:57.180 --> 02:08:01.239
in the last two days nonstop, just getting it. close
2717
02:08:01.260 --> 02:08:05.439
to what they wanted, the original one. So here's another
2718
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:10.789
crazy one. So we talked about Frances McDormand playing Julie.
2719
02:08:11.350 --> 02:08:14.729
But before she got cast, it was almost Julia Roberts,
2720
02:08:16.189 --> 02:08:19.850
which is weird to think about. but Julia Roberts got
2721
02:08:19.890 --> 02:08:23.670
cast in Pretty Woman at the same time and then
2722
02:08:23.729 --> 02:08:28.250
was replaced with Frances McDormand. So that's interesting. What would
2723
02:08:28.270 --> 02:08:31.069
this movie have been like with Julia Roberts and Liam Neeson?
2724
02:08:31.829 --> 02:08:32.289
What the hell?
2725
02:08:32.489 --> 02:08:36.470
Even weirder, right? And Pretty Woman has put Julia Roberts
2726
02:08:36.569 --> 02:08:40.510
on the star track to megastardom.
2727
02:08:40.810 --> 02:08:42.890
What about Julia Roberts and Bill Paxton?
2728
02:08:43.369 --> 02:08:45.909
Right? Yeah. What a weird movie that would have been, right?
2729
02:08:46.270 --> 02:08:47.710
Very strange. Yeah, way different, I feel.
2730
02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:53.100
Yeah. Gary Oldman was also considered to play Peyton Westlake
2731
02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:53.840
slash Darkman.
2732
02:08:54.500 --> 02:08:56.199
I think that would have been okay. Like a different
2733
02:08:56.220 --> 02:08:58.100
movie entirely, but I think that still could have worked.
2734
02:08:58.149 --> 02:09:00.189
Yeah, but you look at Fifth Element, you look at
2735
02:09:00.250 --> 02:09:04.170
how good Gary Oldman is at playing crazy, and then
2736
02:09:04.229 --> 02:09:08.670
you look at Harry Potter and his character and they're
2737
02:09:08.689 --> 02:09:12.409
being locked in Azkaban for 12 years playing crazy. I
2738
02:09:12.449 --> 02:09:19.380
think Gary Oldman... in a emotional rage-consuming scene as Darkman
2739
02:09:19.420 --> 02:09:20.560
would be pretty incredible.
2740
02:09:20.920 --> 02:09:21.439
Yeah.
2741
02:09:22.039 --> 02:09:24.819
Just him losing his shit, right? Gary Oldman's good at
2742
02:09:24.840 --> 02:09:25.399
losing his shit.
2743
02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:28.600
Definitely. Bill Paxton, I was like, absolutely not. Gary Oldman,
2744
02:09:28.619 --> 02:09:29.399
I'm like, hmm?
2745
02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:32.119
Yeah, Bill Paxton, I don't think Bill Paxton would have
2746
02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:35.949
the emotional depth to be able to pull off like
2747
02:09:36.029 --> 02:09:38.090
Liam Neeson does it and it's comical a little bit,
2748
02:09:38.149 --> 02:09:41.109
but also it's believable too. Right. You believe that this
2749
02:09:41.149 --> 02:09:44.390
guy could go into a murderous rage and right. You know, whatever.
2750
02:09:44.529 --> 02:09:48.649
So, um, which works well, like he, you know, he
2751
02:09:48.689 --> 02:09:51.180
eventually became Frank Drebin jr. So I think that sort
2752
02:09:51.220 --> 02:09:53.720
of like campiness that we're seeing in the modern age
2753
02:09:53.760 --> 02:09:54.380
helps with this.
2754
02:09:54.680 --> 02:09:54.859
Yeah.
2755
02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:58.199
This old sort of like, um, Sam Raimi camp as well.
2756
02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:01.859
Here's another connection here with, uh, the Coen brothers and
2757
02:10:01.899 --> 02:10:06.460
Sam Raimi is, uh, actually, Joel Cohen is married to
2758
02:10:06.500 --> 02:10:11.130
Frances McDormand, so they're married. Joel Cohen actually edited the
2759
02:10:11.170 --> 02:10:14.430
first Evil Dead. Whoa. So that's pretty cool.
2760
02:10:14.710 --> 02:10:16.689
They're kind of like a group, you know, a little
2761
02:10:16.770 --> 02:10:17.409
troop together there.
2762
02:10:17.649 --> 02:10:22.909
Uh-huh. Yep. So that's pretty cool, that connection there between them.
2763
02:10:24.350 --> 02:10:25.310
Small world for them, huh?
2764
02:10:25.489 --> 02:10:30.560
Yeah. So lots of cool stuff. You know, the other
2765
02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:34.680
thing I didn't mention really as far as pulp type
2766
02:10:34.880 --> 02:10:37.439
superhero films of this era. The other movie that came
2767
02:10:37.500 --> 02:10:40.239
out in 1990, that was a big deal was Dick Tracy,
2768
02:10:40.779 --> 02:10:43.979
the Warren Beatty, Dick Tracy film. And Dick Tracy was
2769
02:10:44.100 --> 02:10:47.520
based on, you know, the comic strip character from the thirties.
2770
02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:51.439
Dark man was kind of inspired by the shadow who
2771
02:10:51.479 --> 02:10:54.090
was also another pulp character of the thirties. So you
2772
02:10:54.100 --> 02:10:56.869
had like two pulp revivals kind of playing at the
2773
02:10:56.890 --> 02:11:02.329
same time, you know, in 1990. Um, So it's kind
2774
02:11:02.350 --> 02:11:04.560
of interesting that you have Batman in 89, you have
2775
02:11:04.569 --> 02:11:07.359
Dick Tracy, and you have Darkman. And then, of course,
2776
02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:11.739
you get to, like, 92, you got Batman Returns. This is, like,
2777
02:11:11.779 --> 02:11:14.619
where we're starting to... In 1990, we're starting to see
2778
02:11:15.100 --> 02:11:19.020
the apex of the comic book superhero film really start
2779
02:11:19.060 --> 02:11:23.090
to take off. And it's really all due to Batman 89,
2780
02:11:23.079 --> 02:11:25.140
if you think about it. Just kind of really paving
2781
02:11:25.159 --> 02:11:29.479
the way for dark, adult-themed superhero films, right?
2782
02:11:30.079 --> 02:11:34.340
Right. I mean, like, even... beyond that, like there was
2783
02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:36.119
still this notion in the public eye. I had read
2784
02:11:36.159 --> 02:11:38.439
something not too long ago where it was talking about
2785
02:11:38.619 --> 02:11:43.140
Heath Ledger and he was originally like, you know, offered,
2786
02:11:43.180 --> 02:11:44.899
you know, to be a part of Batman begins, but
2787
02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:46.220
he was like, I don't want to do a superhero
2788
02:11:46.260 --> 02:11:48.060
movie with the tights and everything. Like I'm good.
2789
02:11:48.100 --> 02:11:48.479
I'm good.
2790
02:11:48.939 --> 02:11:51.180
But then he saw Batman begin after that came out.
2791
02:11:51.220 --> 02:11:53.520
He was like, Oh my God, this was amazing. I
2792
02:11:53.760 --> 02:11:55.380
have to be part of the next one. And eventually
2793
02:11:55.399 --> 02:11:58.920
it got Joker. So I think it's just really incredible
2794
02:11:58.960 --> 02:12:03.340
to see like, yeah, like, even into the 2000s, there
2795
02:12:03.380 --> 02:12:05.819
was still this kind of like notion with superhero movies
2796
02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:07.560
that they were still trying to fight off. So had
2797
02:12:07.779 --> 02:12:10.850
Tim Burton not come along 10, 11, you know, 12
2798
02:12:10.850 --> 02:12:15.109
years before that and started this conversation, getting people to
2799
02:12:15.130 --> 02:12:17.649
look at superhero movies more seriously, yeah, we wouldn't have,
2800
02:12:18.289 --> 02:12:20.050
you know, the half the landscape we have right now.
2801
02:12:20.470 --> 02:12:23.409
Yeah, because, you know, everybody up to that point, everybody
2802
02:12:23.430 --> 02:12:27.500
still associated Batman with like Adam West, right? And, you know,
2803
02:12:27.539 --> 02:12:29.100
even some of the comics and stuff were kind of
2804
02:12:29.140 --> 02:12:31.180
campy and stuff. It wasn't until the 80s when you
2805
02:12:31.220 --> 02:12:34.000
get You know, the Frank Miller graphic novels and stuff
2806
02:12:34.399 --> 02:12:38.180
really start to show Batman in a completely different light. Like,
2807
02:12:38.220 --> 02:12:41.340
here's Batman stories written for adults or for teenagers. And
2808
02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:43.680
you're like, oh, shit, this is kind of dark. Yeah.
2809
02:12:43.699 --> 02:12:44.319
This is cool.
2810
02:12:44.359 --> 02:12:46.810
This is a good mystery detective story.
2811
02:12:46.939 --> 02:12:47.149
Yeah.
2812
02:12:47.819 --> 02:12:50.850
So I had this conversation with Tracy not too long ago.
2813
02:12:50.890 --> 02:12:52.930
How do you feel about the fact that there are
2814
02:12:52.949 --> 02:12:57.359
some people who are effectively adults now? Who have only
2815
02:12:57.500 --> 02:12:59.800
ever lived in a time where, like, the Marvel Cinematic
2816
02:12:59.880 --> 02:13:02.439
Universe has been, like, in the framework of movies.
2817
02:13:02.659 --> 02:13:05.399
Yeah, I haven't thought about that, but that's completely a thing.
2818
02:13:06.020 --> 02:13:08.260
Yeah, like 20 years at this point, basically, you know?
2819
02:13:08.420 --> 02:13:09.180
Yeah, because really.
2820
02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:09.920
I think 18 years.
2821
02:13:10.420 --> 02:13:15.109
Yeah, if you were to start with Incredible Hulk in 2007,
2822
02:13:15.109 --> 02:13:20.869
then basically those kids would be about 19 years old now. Mm-hmm.
2823
02:13:21.909 --> 02:13:22.720
So yeah, that's crazy.
2824
02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:25.020
There's some kids who have only ever grown up with
2825
02:13:25.100 --> 02:13:28.840
those annual sort of Marvel releases happening every year and movies.
2826
02:13:28.859 --> 02:13:32.380
Because let's be real, Marvel has just dominated the movie
2827
02:13:32.420 --> 02:13:34.100
landscape for a long time and shifted how a lot
2828
02:13:34.140 --> 02:13:39.460
of trends in the movie space. So it's kind of strange.
2829
02:13:39.479 --> 02:13:43.520
There are some people who have only ever seen movies
2830
02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:47.170
being made around the orbit, the gravity of how Marvel
2831
02:13:47.329 --> 02:13:53.770
has done its unprecedented, phenomenal work. 20 year long interconnected
2832
02:13:53.810 --> 02:13:54.989
universe experiment.
2833
02:13:55.170 --> 02:14:01.489
Yeah. And yeah. So of that age range, then either
2834
02:14:01.569 --> 02:14:03.289
you'd have somebody that would be like, Oh, I know
2835
02:14:03.329 --> 02:14:08.600
that character because they're familiar with Marvel, but how interested
2836
02:14:08.640 --> 02:14:11.140
are they going to be in like diving into something else? Like,
2837
02:14:11.159 --> 02:14:11.840
I don't know.
2838
02:14:11.960 --> 02:14:12.899
Any of their other work.
2839
02:14:13.079 --> 02:14:13.420
Right.
2840
02:14:13.439 --> 02:14:15.399
They might just care about the Marvel movies.
2841
02:14:15.539 --> 02:14:18.760
Exactly. Yeah. Because maybe, you know, if they're not super
2842
02:14:18.819 --> 02:14:21.100
into movies, right. That's something that you start to find
2843
02:14:21.119 --> 02:14:23.489
with like, as you're talking about movies, I think that's
2844
02:14:23.529 --> 02:14:26.250
why it's important to really kind of keep these things, um,
2845
02:14:26.689 --> 02:14:29.630
you know, kind of in the public consciousness because there
2846
02:14:29.710 --> 02:14:33.970
are other things out there besides Marvel and DC, right?
2847
02:14:34.810 --> 02:14:36.840
Yeah. Like whenever it's kind of reminds me of that
2848
02:14:36.880 --> 02:14:39.920
conversation of like, people are like, are you really a gamer?
2849
02:14:39.960 --> 02:14:42.079
If you just play call of duty, you know, like
2850
02:14:42.119 --> 02:14:43.699
that was something that people used to say back in
2851
02:14:43.720 --> 02:14:45.420
the day, or like, if you just play this one
2852
02:14:45.460 --> 02:14:47.920
sort of like popular game, are you really, are you,
2853
02:14:47.939 --> 02:14:49.439
are you a gamer? If you just play Fortnite.
2854
02:14:49.460 --> 02:14:52.170
I mean, people have been saying that since Pac-Man though. Like,
2855
02:14:52.250 --> 02:14:54.510
you know, you just play Pac-Man. That's all you play. Or,
2856
02:14:54.569 --> 02:14:56.029
you know, somebody that just plays Tetris.
2857
02:14:56.390 --> 02:14:57.909
Yes, same conversation.
2858
02:14:57.930 --> 02:14:58.649
The same argument.
2859
02:14:58.670 --> 02:15:01.319
Do you really like movies? You just watch Marvel movies. Yeah,
2860
02:15:01.340 --> 02:15:04.680
but they're still movies. They're sort of in that same space.
2861
02:15:05.939 --> 02:15:08.380
You know, some people like to eat McDonald's every day.
2862
02:15:08.500 --> 02:15:10.420
And that's, you know, it's the equivalent of that, right?
2863
02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:13.479
I mean, it is technically food. I'm just kidding.
2864
02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:15.800
I don't know if they're legally allowed to say that
2865
02:15:15.859 --> 02:15:16.739
it's technically food.
2866
02:15:17.350 --> 02:15:19.770
Subway can't call their bread bread and, you know, in
2867
02:15:19.810 --> 02:15:21.229
certain countries it's cake technically.
2868
02:15:21.470 --> 02:15:25.460
Yeah. Yeah. So it's a whole different argument. So, uh,
2869
02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:29.239
but yeah, that's, uh, that's pretty much all I had. Um, sorry.
2870
02:15:29.260 --> 02:15:31.560
Yeah. We were talking about superheroes a lot and that
2871
02:15:31.619 --> 02:15:34.239
came up. So absolutely. I guess I wanted your take on,
2872
02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:34.720
on that.
2873
02:15:35.039 --> 02:15:37.619
Well, yeah, because I mean, look at, uh, look at
2874
02:15:37.689 --> 02:15:42.350
Watchmen for instance, another example of, uh, you know, deconstruction of,
2875
02:15:42.649 --> 02:15:45.470
of superhero stuff, but you know, honestly, okay. Let me
2876
02:15:45.869 --> 02:15:49.550
counterpoint to what you're saying about kids that have only
2877
02:15:49.590 --> 02:15:52.810
grown up with Marvel. Yes, that's true, but also I
2878
02:15:52.850 --> 02:15:56.460
would probably wager you that those kids probably are familiar
2879
02:15:56.619 --> 02:16:00.560
at least with or know of The Boys and Invincible.
2880
02:16:00.579 --> 02:16:04.510
Because both of those things have come out in recent times,
2881
02:16:05.369 --> 02:16:09.079
and they're kind of the deconstruction of, superheroes and Marvel
2882
02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:10.619
as well, the modern versions.
2883
02:16:10.920 --> 02:16:13.859
Is that like the kids are all right kind of
2884
02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:14.659
argument right there?
2885
02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:15.060
Maybe.
2886
02:16:15.079 --> 02:16:16.560
They're in good hands moving forward?
2887
02:16:16.579 --> 02:16:20.020
Maybe. I don't know. I mean, say what you will
2888
02:16:20.050 --> 02:16:22.649
about the boys as far as how it ended, but
2889
02:16:23.710 --> 02:16:27.850
Invincible is probably still going. They've got new seasons coming, right?
2890
02:16:28.069 --> 02:16:30.880
Absolutely. And that's one of the best shows out right now.
2891
02:16:30.890 --> 02:16:31.449
Yeah, it's great.
2892
02:16:31.649 --> 02:16:31.869
Yeah.
2893
02:16:32.450 --> 02:16:33.979
You turned me on to it. I really enjoyed it.
2894
02:16:34.170 --> 02:16:38.739
So I think there's hope. It's always going to be
2895
02:16:39.500 --> 02:16:44.459
darkest before the dawn, right? So there's hope yet, I guess,
2896
02:16:44.479 --> 02:16:47.920
for dark superhero films. But that being said, I think
2897
02:16:47.959 --> 02:16:56.059
it's criminal that there hasn't been another Darkman film. Because
2898
02:16:56.079 --> 02:16:59.579
there was rumblings for years, and every time they'd interview somebody,
2899
02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:04.290
they'd ask Liam Neeson, and he's basically like, yeah, if
2900
02:17:04.350 --> 02:17:08.049
a script came along, I'd give it a read. That's cool.
2901
02:17:08.590 --> 02:17:10.670
It's like, dude, it's the perfect time to bring it back.
2902
02:17:10.750 --> 02:17:13.590
All these other IPs are coming back and shit's getting made.
2903
02:17:14.430 --> 02:17:21.010
So let's get an older Liam Neeson. Darkman returns.
2904
02:17:21.270 --> 02:17:24.149
Dude, yeah. If Spaceballs is getting a fucking sequel, then
2905
02:17:25.110 --> 02:17:26.399
Darkman can get a sequel.
2906
02:17:26.420 --> 02:17:30.959
Right. That's what I'm saying. Because it would be the
2907
02:17:31.000 --> 02:17:33.299
perfect time to... We've got.
2908
02:17:35.290 --> 02:17:37.209
A good amount of digital effects now that you could
2909
02:17:37.229 --> 02:17:44.100
do some really creative stuff with Darkman impersonating people and
2910
02:17:44.620 --> 02:17:47.649
ruining their lives and killing them in crazy fucked up ways.
2911
02:17:48.530 --> 02:17:51.000
And you could just really lean in. into you know
2912
02:17:51.319 --> 02:17:54.500
okay so you could make it uh taken slash dark
2913
02:17:54.520 --> 02:17:59.209
man right something something that pushes dark man over the
2914
02:17:59.329 --> 02:18:03.049
edge in which he becomes like you know full-on consumed
2915
02:18:03.149 --> 02:18:05.370
with uh whatever he's.
2916
02:18:05.250 --> 02:18:08.520
Doing Yeah, like we just saw like Batman Begins. Let's
2917
02:18:08.559 --> 02:18:10.680
just skip all that and let's just go to like
2918
02:18:11.420 --> 02:18:14.040
the Dark Knight Returns era, you know, and just.
2919
02:18:14.399 --> 02:18:17.000
Yeah, it's kind of like how, you know, some superhero
2920
02:18:17.059 --> 02:18:21.940
movies start out and basically they already start out with
2921
02:18:21.959 --> 02:18:24.920
the character. Like, well, let's look at Batman 89. Right.
2922
02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:29.280
It already starts off with him being Batman. You're familiar
2923
02:18:29.309 --> 02:18:31.010
enough with the character. They just run with it.
2924
02:18:31.290 --> 02:18:31.770
Right. Right.
2925
02:18:32.909 --> 02:18:35.120
Same thing here. You could just do that. You just
2926
02:18:35.159 --> 02:18:37.860
run with it. And then you show flashbacks as you're
2927
02:18:38.139 --> 02:18:40.620
going through with the exposition. And you're like, okay, I
2928
02:18:40.659 --> 02:18:41.219
see who that is.
2929
02:18:42.299 --> 02:18:44.180
I'm about it. I'll sign that.
2930
02:18:45.000 --> 02:18:46.989
Totally. So I don't know who we got to get
2931
02:18:47.069 --> 02:18:48.790
to get that going.
2932
02:18:48.809 --> 02:18:51.559
Well, when I'm calling Sam Raimi later, I'll just mention it.
2933
02:18:51.569 --> 02:18:52.469
Why don't you bring that up?
2934
02:18:52.670 --> 02:18:52.870
Yeah.
2935
02:18:53.110 --> 02:18:56.270
I'm sure there's a script floating around somewhere. But yeah,
2936
02:18:56.329 --> 02:18:59.569
I would love to see another Darkman film with a
2937
02:18:59.750 --> 02:19:05.510
decent-sized budget and some cool shit going on. Because I
2938
02:19:05.569 --> 02:19:08.579
think you don't have to throw billions of dollars at it.
2939
02:19:09.450 --> 02:19:12.610
In fact, probably give it a lower budget just so
2940
02:19:12.729 --> 02:19:15.479
Sam can get kind of creative with it. But let's
2941
02:19:15.500 --> 02:19:16.010
see what he can do.
2942
02:19:16.879 --> 02:19:17.159
Yeah.
2943
02:19:17.360 --> 02:19:20.420
Dust it off. Dust off the IP. You've got some
2944
02:19:20.559 --> 02:19:24.000
actors that are probably willing to do it. Frances McDormand's
2945
02:19:24.020 --> 02:19:26.719
still around. So, you know what? Honestly, that could be
2946
02:19:26.760 --> 02:19:29.600
a good crux there is bring an older Julie back. Yeah.
2947
02:19:29.620 --> 02:19:31.950
What was her character even? Lex? She was like a
2948
02:19:31.989 --> 02:19:33.010
lawyer or something?
2949
02:19:33.030 --> 02:19:34.510
She was an attorney or something, right?
2950
02:19:34.610 --> 02:19:36.930
Yeah. So she, like, he isn't going to be with her,
2951
02:19:36.989 --> 02:19:38.889
but he still cares for her. So he's got to
2952
02:19:38.930 --> 02:19:42.139
protect her. And she's in like a profession that can
2953
02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:44.260
invite some danger, you know? So they could just keep
2954
02:19:44.319 --> 02:19:44.899
it going like that.
2955
02:19:45.159 --> 02:19:47.959
And bring these characters back together because, you know, obviously
2956
02:19:47.979 --> 02:19:51.040
in the second and third film, you know, like she's
2957
02:19:51.059 --> 02:19:53.899
not there or whatever, but like, Put these two characters
2958
02:19:53.959 --> 02:19:55.969
back together, kind of like they did with the later
2959
02:19:56.000 --> 02:19:56.989
Indiana Jones films.
2960
02:19:57.100 --> 02:19:59.409
Yeah, they'll retcon it like Halloween. Those sequels don't exist.
2961
02:19:59.430 --> 02:20:02.370
Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying, like, if you gave these
2962
02:20:02.409 --> 02:20:07.809
characters motivation, then you could have a Darkman film where
2963
02:20:07.850 --> 02:20:10.290
she's trying to get back in touch with him, and
2964
02:20:10.329 --> 02:20:14.079
maybe at the end, like, he sacrifices himself to save her, right?
2965
02:20:14.110 --> 02:20:16.239
So you've wrapped up everything in a pretty little picture,
2966
02:20:16.500 --> 02:20:18.620
but there could be a hell of a film there.
2967
02:20:19.139 --> 02:20:19.920
I agree, yeah.
2968
02:20:19.940 --> 02:20:22.979
So, I don't know. we don't deserve it, I guess
2969
02:20:23.000 --> 02:20:25.799
in this timeline, hopefully there's a timeline in which it was,
2970
02:20:26.000 --> 02:20:27.159
it happened, but I don't know.
2971
02:20:27.280 --> 02:20:29.159
Yeah. The good timeline has all the best movies.
2972
02:20:29.180 --> 02:20:29.540
Yeah.
2973
02:20:29.860 --> 02:20:30.680
We get everything else.
2974
02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:34.360
Yeah, pretty much. So, uh, that's about it. I got
2975
02:20:34.379 --> 02:20:36.069
it for the movie. So, uh, what's your, what's your
2976
02:20:36.079 --> 02:20:39.110
thoughts having seen this now, um, going into not knowing
2977
02:20:39.129 --> 02:20:40.090
what the hell you were going to watch.
2978
02:20:40.409 --> 02:20:42.469
Yeah. No. And now that I know what the hell
2979
02:20:42.510 --> 02:20:46.750
even that is, uh, I've, I, yeah, it's one that's,
2980
02:20:46.969 --> 02:20:49.860
I guess I've been, curious about for quite kind of
2981
02:20:49.879 --> 02:20:51.579
a little while so at the very least i'm happy
2982
02:20:51.600 --> 02:20:54.149
that i've at least just like satisfied like i've scratched
2983
02:20:54.190 --> 02:20:58.309
that itch yeah so done that quest complete and the
2984
02:20:58.329 --> 02:21:01.770
movie itself it's strange like i wasn't really enjoying it
2985
02:21:01.850 --> 02:21:04.329
thinking like i'm trying like i'm waiting for superhero things
2986
02:21:04.510 --> 02:21:06.709
to happen but like i said whenever i kind of
2987
02:21:06.729 --> 02:21:09.770
like shifted my own perspective about like what this movie
2988
02:21:09.809 --> 02:21:13.010
i'm watching like how this is unfolding i started enjoying
2989
02:21:13.030 --> 02:21:15.479
it quite a bit more so I don't know. It's
2990
02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:18.020
like this weird sort of purgatory sort of space where
2991
02:21:18.059 --> 02:21:20.280
I overall did enjoy it. I thought it was cool.
2992
02:21:20.299 --> 02:21:26.360
And especially the directing, the score matching. So I thought
2993
02:21:26.420 --> 02:21:27.440
it was well done.
2994
02:21:27.659 --> 02:21:28.879
It's very well crafted, yeah.
2995
02:21:29.120 --> 02:21:31.420
But the movie is just bizarre. And I feel like
2996
02:21:31.860 --> 02:21:35.309
there is definitely some studio involvement that made it feel
2997
02:21:35.569 --> 02:21:39.209
kind of a little choppy here and there. So I
2998
02:21:39.510 --> 02:21:43.059
feel like I really like... and the concept of it
2999
02:21:43.100 --> 02:21:44.920
a whole lot more than maybe some of the final
3000
02:21:44.979 --> 02:21:48.420
product that we got on screen. But overall, solid movie.
3001
02:21:48.639 --> 02:21:51.190
Yeah, absolutely. Solid is the way to describe it.
3002
02:21:52.979 --> 02:21:55.420
What about you? Give me your rundown. I mean, you've
3003
02:21:55.440 --> 02:21:57.090
got a lot of experience with this movie over the years.
3004
02:21:57.110 --> 02:21:59.209
Well, it's been a while since I've watched it, so
3005
02:21:59.909 --> 02:22:04.850
I'm approaching it more recently, just having the background of,
3006
02:22:05.090 --> 02:22:07.489
like you said, the 20 years of Marvel films and
3007
02:22:07.510 --> 02:22:11.370
DC and other stuff. And so... just going back and
3008
02:22:11.409 --> 02:22:14.909
revisiting dark man, then it just, it makes me appreciate
3009
02:22:14.989 --> 02:22:19.040
it more. You know, I always enjoyed it, but like, um,
3010
02:22:20.139 --> 02:22:22.180
it's like you said, it's a solid, it's a solid
3011
02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:26.059
movie with a lot of good, uh, clever directing. And
3012
02:22:26.079 --> 02:22:28.709
there's some, some good action scenes and explosions and shit
3013
02:22:28.729 --> 02:22:29.110
like that.
3014
02:22:29.149 --> 02:22:32.690
So it's, uh, it's well done, but, um, you know,
3015
02:22:32.729 --> 02:22:35.290
in the concept of superheroes, one thing I will say,
3016
02:22:35.309 --> 02:22:37.629
I'll give it its flowers there. It was not formulaic
3017
02:22:37.670 --> 02:22:39.409
at all. Like in a Marvel and a DC movie, it's,
3018
02:22:39.469 --> 02:22:41.479
there's like a same format. It's basically like you fight the,
3019
02:22:41.590 --> 02:22:44.930
like the bad version of the superhero and you know
3020
02:22:44.950 --> 02:22:47.270
what you're going to get every single time, basically with
3021
02:22:47.309 --> 02:22:47.690
one of those.
3022
02:22:47.850 --> 02:22:51.079
And that's the difference here, right? Like we're, we've been
3023
02:22:51.680 --> 02:22:55.420
eating the cookie cutter slop for 20 years. Yeah. Right.
3024
02:22:55.559 --> 02:22:58.200
And so it's, it's kind of like in the, when
3025
02:22:58.219 --> 02:23:01.559
they're talking in the matrix about, uh, You know, it's like, well,
3026
02:23:01.579 --> 02:23:05.139
we've been eating this reconstituted steak for so long, I
3027
02:23:05.180 --> 02:23:07.659
don't even know what real steak tastes like, right? And
3028
02:23:07.700 --> 02:23:09.379
movies kind of can be the same way, where, like,
3029
02:23:09.420 --> 02:23:12.479
sometimes you discover an older movie, and you're like, wow,
3030
02:23:12.500 --> 02:23:16.760
that was really good. It was, like, you know, tasting, like,
3031
02:23:16.799 --> 02:23:19.899
a really good, you know, piece of food. And then
3032
02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:22.799
you realize, like, modern stuff, then you're like, oh, this
3033
02:23:22.860 --> 02:23:24.959
kind of, it's not, it's not like, you know, it's
3034
02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:28.059
more fast food-like. It's more product, right? A modern movie
3035
02:23:28.079 --> 02:23:30.739
is a product where, like, an older movie like this
3036
02:23:30.799 --> 02:23:34.420
might be, uh, kind of a chef's meal, right? Might
3037
02:23:34.459 --> 02:23:36.520
not be to everybody's taste, but it's handcrafted.
3038
02:23:36.979 --> 02:23:38.760
Right. And I think that's a good thing to keep
3039
02:23:38.799 --> 02:23:40.479
in mind. Whenever you say it might not be everybody's
3040
02:23:40.500 --> 02:23:42.940
taste is because it's like unique. It doesn't always mean
3041
02:23:42.979 --> 02:23:45.620
it's good. So like there were some bad bites here
3042
02:23:45.659 --> 02:23:48.059
and there throughout the movie, but overall pound for pound,
3043
02:23:48.139 --> 02:23:52.219
like really unique. And you know, the experience is kind
3044
02:23:52.260 --> 02:23:55.360
of more of the takeaway than I guess the spectacle.
3045
02:23:55.739 --> 02:23:58.579
And I think also too, it shows a difference between, um,
3046
02:23:59.879 --> 02:24:03.120
a movie that's trying to appeal to everyone like a
3047
02:24:03.180 --> 02:24:08.889
modern superhero film versus a movie that is, you know, uh,
3048
02:24:09.170 --> 02:24:12.069
a singular vision or, you know, the, uh, a couple
3049
02:24:12.090 --> 02:24:12.829
of people's vision.
3050
02:24:13.090 --> 02:24:14.790
Yeah. Like I think this is cool. I'm making that.
3051
02:24:15.090 --> 02:24:17.510
Yeah. And so it doesn't have to appeal to everybody,
3052
02:24:17.649 --> 02:24:20.370
but it's what it's, you know, it's a passion project.
3053
02:24:20.430 --> 02:24:21.450
It's what the director wanted.
3054
02:24:21.889 --> 02:24:24.229
Yeah. Passion project. That's a fantastic way to capture it.
3055
02:24:24.229 --> 02:24:24.389
Yeah.
3056
02:24:24.969 --> 02:24:25.129
Yeah.
3057
02:24:25.450 --> 02:24:28.090
So, Uh, I mean, hell the original star Wars is
3058
02:24:28.110 --> 02:24:30.159
like that. I mean, that was a passion project by
3059
02:24:30.190 --> 02:24:32.780
Lucas because, you know, he had this idea for this
3060
02:24:32.819 --> 02:24:36.280
grand epic space movie and they, you know, he showed
3061
02:24:36.360 --> 02:24:38.100
it to people and they're like, I don't know what
3062
02:24:38.120 --> 02:24:38.860
the hell this is.
3063
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So then when you get the buzzer for what the
3064
02:24:41.729 --> 02:24:43.629
hell is even that, I feel like it came up
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a lot.
3066
02:24:44.030 --> 02:24:44.430
Exactly.
3067
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Yeah.
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So that movie gets edited into a cohesive movie and
3069
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then goes on to be, you know, uh, one of
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02:24:53.010 --> 02:24:55.620
the biggest, highest grossing films of all time. Right.
3071
02:24:56.079 --> 02:24:58.729
Yeah, like properties of all time. Let's be real. Disney
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bought them and made a theme park about it.
3073
02:25:00.190 --> 02:25:04.450
Right. So, I mean, you know, that was a risky move, right?
3074
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Nobody wanted to finance the original Star Wars film because
3075
02:25:06.770 --> 02:25:09.610
they didn't get it. They didn't understand it. Science fiction
3076
02:25:09.649 --> 02:25:12.239
at that point was, to a lot of people, was
3077
02:25:12.270 --> 02:25:15.899
either 2001, A Space Odyssey, or Star Trek. So, you know,
3078
02:25:15.940 --> 02:25:19.420
space adventure fantasy stuff. You know, Star Wars was a
3079
02:25:19.620 --> 02:25:22.940
callback to Flash Gordon serials in the 40s. So, kind
3080
02:25:22.959 --> 02:25:25.879
of the same thing. You know, Darkman is kind of being...
3081
02:25:26.309 --> 02:25:29.909
An homage to the 30s horror stuff. And Star Wars
3082
02:25:30.030 --> 02:25:36.370
was what Lucas grew up watching, the Flash Gordon serials, right? So, again,
3083
02:25:36.610 --> 02:25:39.190
it just shows that you don't have to make a
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movie with a billion dollars and try to capture everybody's interest.
3085
02:25:44.489 --> 02:25:47.170
But if you make something that's really good, you're going
3086
02:25:47.209 --> 02:25:50.670
to get people to the theater to see it. And
3087
02:25:50.899 --> 02:25:54.079
Obsession is a perfect example of that. in recent times.
3088
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Yeah. Like the, I think the most profitable movie of
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02:25:57.500 --> 02:25:58.280
all time or something.
3090
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I think it's probably beat paranormal activity at this point.
3091
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Right.
3092
02:26:01.600 --> 02:26:04.170
Because, uh, that movie for a long time held the
3093
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record of being, you know, most profitable or it's gotta
3094
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be close at least.
3095
02:26:08.290 --> 02:26:10.629
But anyway, yeah, I think it's got it as far
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as I'm aware. Yeah.
3097
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So, uh, I don't know about you. I, uh, dark
3098
02:26:14.110 --> 02:26:16.350
man's a buy for me. Um, I, I think that
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this is a worthy film to have in your, uh,
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in your collection, especially if you're a film nerd. And if,
3101
02:26:22.700 --> 02:26:25.020
If you're a fan of Raimi stuff and you want
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02:26:25.040 --> 02:26:26.879
to show somebody this, be like, here, check this out.
3103
02:26:26.920 --> 02:26:30.760
This is a non-traditional superhero slash horror film.
3104
02:26:32.819 --> 02:26:34.379
I'll say it's a solid rental for me.
3105
02:26:34.440 --> 02:26:36.219
Sure, that's fair.
3106
02:26:36.700 --> 02:26:40.299
As the holiday season, spooky season rolls around, it could
3107
02:26:40.319 --> 02:26:42.219
be the obscure one in the rotation.
3108
02:26:42.600 --> 02:26:48.639
Could be, yeah. I don't know. It's more in recent times,
3109
02:26:48.700 --> 02:26:51.450
it's kind of gotten lost in the pile, but if
3110
02:26:51.510 --> 02:26:54.389
you were at a video store 30 years ago, like
3111
02:26:54.670 --> 02:26:57.600
you would, you would see dark man a lot, you know, like,
3112
02:26:57.819 --> 02:26:59.860
Oh yeah, I know this movie, you know, that kind
3113
02:26:59.879 --> 02:27:02.879
of thing. It had a solid life on the rental shelf,
3114
02:27:03.840 --> 02:27:05.860
but in the streaming era, it's, you know, kind of
3115
02:27:05.879 --> 02:27:06.440
got buried.
3116
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Just like dark city.
3117
02:27:08.579 --> 02:27:09.979
Basically. Same thing.
3118
02:27:10.239 --> 02:27:11.540
Right. Check out our episode on that.
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02:27:11.579 --> 02:27:11.860
That's right.
3120
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Shameless plug.
3121
02:27:12.860 --> 02:27:16.340
Shameless plug. Yeah. So yeah, that's, uh, that's about all
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02:27:16.389 --> 02:27:19.229
I got for dark man. So, uh, what do you
3123
02:27:19.250 --> 02:27:20.629
got cooking up for us on the next one?
3124
02:27:21.040 --> 02:27:21.239
Oh, man.
3125
02:27:21.260 --> 02:27:22.000
You got something picked out?
3126
02:27:22.559 --> 02:27:25.040
I do, yeah. I'm making you finally do a little
3127
02:27:25.079 --> 02:27:26.840
bit of homework on something. Eat your vegetables.
3128
02:27:27.340 --> 02:27:28.620
Oh, man. I got to eat vegetables?
3129
02:27:29.139 --> 02:27:32.729
Absolutely. We were watching Back Rooms, and we get to
3130
02:27:32.770 --> 02:27:35.450
the scene where Mark Duplass is on there, and I
3131
02:27:35.489 --> 02:27:36.850
learned Wes has never seen Creep.
3132
02:27:37.129 --> 02:27:37.450
Nope.
3133
02:27:37.629 --> 02:27:39.209
So you're finally going to.
3134
02:27:39.229 --> 02:27:43.149
Oh, sweet. That movie is... is incredible. Okay. That's high praise,
3135
02:27:43.270 --> 02:27:44.750
so I look forward to that.
3136
02:27:44.930 --> 02:27:46.979
I am almost certain you're going to enjoy it, so
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stay tuned for that, everybody.
3138
02:27:47.930 --> 02:27:50.780
Cool. Yeah. Well, we'll try to get that out sooner
3139
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rather than later, depending on scheduling and stuff like that. Yes.
3140
02:27:55.870 --> 02:27:58.569
So stay tuned to that. Yeah. Other than that, I
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02:27:58.610 --> 02:28:02.409
think about wraps up this, this episode. So you know
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where to find us online, all that good stuff. So
3143
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if you like us, leave us a review, send us
3144
02:28:07.719 --> 02:28:13.319
your comments, feedback, hate mail, junk mail, whatever recommendations, you.
3145
02:28:13.260 --> 02:28:16.319
Know, pictures of your dog. You know, we like dog
3146
02:28:16.360 --> 02:28:17.079
pictures as well.
3147
02:28:17.219 --> 02:28:17.920
Yeah. Whatever.
3148
02:28:18.360 --> 02:28:20.860
So, but yeah, thank you for joining us for another
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02:28:20.959 --> 02:28:22.360
spooky season episode, everybody.
3150
02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:23.120
Totally. Yeah.
3151
02:28:23.399 --> 02:28:25.079
So, I've been your host, Rhett.
3152
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I've been Wes. And until next time, be kind, rewind.