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Today.
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I want to welcome Tim Moon.
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He is a lifelong middle school and high school teacher
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who enjoys occasionally sharing his lifelong fascination with the mysterious
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cryptic monsters. His book, Tomato Fields has been ten years
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in the writing, but prior to his recovery five years ago,
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its completion would have been impossible. Tim welcome, How you doing.
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I'm good? Are you?
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I'm excellent. It's great to have you. I am looking
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forward to this. You research one of my favorite phenomena,
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which I even recently included in my documentary that just
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came out, which is mysterious cryptid creatures such as Bigfoot.
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When I first started this show, I didn't cover bigfoot.
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I actually kind of thought it was like a silly
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topic until I started looking into it myself and speaking
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with researchers like yourself and people who had actually experienced
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this phenomena. And I really have come to think that
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the existence of cryptids, especially bigfoot, to me, is probably
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one of the most compelling probabilities, especially after speaking to
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people like I said, who have directly experienced this phenomena
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and they believe it themselves, And that alone is compelling
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enough for me to actually look into it myself. And
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I've spoken with many people who really believe their stories.
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So this is going to be very interesting. Before we
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get into your work and your research, as your first
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time on, tell us about yourself and what led you
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to delve into these topics and ultimately write your book.
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Well. I am a longtime teacher and administrator, and since
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a child, I've been fascinated with the situation topic of bigfoot.
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I saw the movie The Legend of Boggy Creek when
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I was in the seventies. I was pretty young, and
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it just captivated me. I found it very scary and
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also very interesting, and tended to think there was something
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to it from then on. But about twenty years ago
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I really started studying it and really started reading and
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listening to the report and looking at the evidence. And
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there's just so much evidence and so much smoke. There
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has to be fires. It can't not exist, if I think,
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you have to have your head in the sand to
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deny completely that this exists. What it is we don't know,
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but that the fact that all over the world, from
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a multiplicity of cultures, language groups, nations, that they have
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millions of reports reporting many of the same things. You
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just can't pull that off without without there being some
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reality to it. I mean, I know, I study history,
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I am a historian, and you can't get people to
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agree on anything, let alone, let alone a monster that
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exists all around the world and does pretty much the
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same things to everybody it shows up to. How could
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you you? No one could do that. I mean even
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in Australia, there's different continents that are separated by oceans
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so that have these things. So it is very unusual,
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It is very mysterious, but it is also very real
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in my opinion, And I began to think that there's
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a lot of nonfiction writing on Bigfoot there's just it's
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all over the place. Every almost everybody who does it
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writes about it nonfiction, and I started thinking, it's just
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not working. It's not through people discount facts. They they
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say they, but they do they. And so there's a
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saying I heard once It says facts tell stories sell,
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And I started thinking about ten fifteen, about fifteen years ago,
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I thought maybe we should use fiction who to try
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to draw people to this mystery and to gain some
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legitimacy in it through cool stories with cool people and
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cool characters that are forced into situations they were not
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wanting to be in. And then the whole idea was
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I started thinking, if we could use nonfiction to have
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an impact on people and draw more people and get
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access maybe more belief in the mystery. So I started
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toying with that idea. And then my brother and I
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were helping my uncle do some work at his house
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and a show came on, a bigfoot show. I can't
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remember what it was, but I said, what's the strangest
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thing you've ever seen out in the country because he
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lives out in the country, and he said he proceeded
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to tell me a story of an encounter with Bigfoot.
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That was just unbelievable. I mean that was checked off
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all the boxes. I mean not very many of the
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stories check off all the boxes. But he heard it,
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he spelled it, it yelled at him. He ran from it.
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He thought he was going to have to shoot at it.
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Just really a big story, and I was shocked. I
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couldn't believe that I'd known him all my life and
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I never knew that this had happened. But he didn't
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want to tell anybody because he felt they'd laugh at him.
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I'd love to hear a synopsis of the story as possible.
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I'll tell you. I can tell you right now. He
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bought some property in Mason County, just above the Hood
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Canal Hook, and he was a he's a builder, so
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he was going to he worked in Seattle, but he
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came home on the weekends and he was working on
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building some houses on that property. And he was He
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lived in a small house that already existed on the property,
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and then he built houses on the land adjacent to it.
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But he had come home for the weekend and went outside.
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I had to work on his trailer lights. It was
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dusk and it was August, so it was warm. For
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Seattle standards. For my standards, it's not warm, so but
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for Seattle standards, it was warm. And he walked outside.
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It was playing with his trailer, and he smelled something
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funny and he thought something had died, or there was
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a skunk or something. So he started looking around to
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see if he could see it. And up to his left,
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about seventy yards and a light pole that held helped
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hold the power lines, still helps hold power lines. He
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saw an animal standing there about nine and a half
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ten feet tall, staring back at him, unhappy, and then
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once they made eye contact, it started screaming at him.
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And you know the scream where it starts high and
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then or starts low and then ends high and its ear.
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He said, it's scared, scared him really bad. He it
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just vibrates through you. And he he ran to his
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house fast as he could to grab his shotgun, and
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he there's had the little window in the door that
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he was looking out, and he thought it was coming
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for him. He was pretty sure he was going to
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look out that window and it was going to be
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hitting his direction, and that his shotgun was not going
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to be very useful. And it it looked it finished
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screaming and looked at him for a little while longer,
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and then it turned back into the woods where it
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had come from. It was more than twenty seconds. Yeah,
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but it's you as you.
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You know, if you've talked, that's an intense twenty seconds though,
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and that's.
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A ten twenty seconds that never leaves you, you know
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from then on, Yeah, you always and you just don't
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ever get away from it. So I personally never had
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experience with that. I've had a couple UFO experiences that
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still are pretty pretty strong in my mind, but I
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haven't had that with this creature. Although I've listened to thousands,
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literally thousands and or read thousands of them, and I
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just I love like every time I hear when I
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was listening to an hour last night too, I just
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I still want to I just fascinated by the whole thing.
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So anyway, the whole idea was to try to write
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a book to bring this out, to maybe engage people
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in and win them through stories, to at least getting
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rid of some of their doubts, perhaps or suspending them
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for a while and maybe saying, oh, maybe there's something
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to this, and that's my hope. So kind of how
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it came around, and then it took me a while
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to write it. I'd never written one before, so I
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had to learn a lot. There's a lot to learn
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to write a novel. But I think it's from the
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first novel it's worked out well and I've got really
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good reviews, and I've learned a lot of things to
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do for the next one. So I'm already starting on that.
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The book is Tomato Fields. Could you give us a
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synopsis of the book as well?
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Yeah, it is. I were in it. I took it
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back to the seventies. My brother said that there used
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to be an area field that they dumped all their sewage.
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They just took it down. The trucks would take it
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out and just dump it all out there with a hose,
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and as a result, a lot of vegetation grew because
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of seeds in human waste and fertilizer involved, and there
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was a lot of vegetation grown. And he said there
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was a lot of tomatoes. So he just started calling
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the area the tomato fields. And it's just up the
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hill and down the hill from his house. So he
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turned he saw where the animal left when it left,
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and he thinks, well, I think it was going back
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down toward that area because a lot of the local
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game fed there. They went there to eat the deer
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and the the the elk, and the bear and probably
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and probably the bigfoot. So the whole story revolves around
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his house. It's even his house in the book, it's
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still his address, and the Tomato Fields area, and then
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there the town or the few people in the town
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that have to deal with this thing suddenly and how
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they try to resolve the issue, and so it revolves
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around that area. But the Tomato Fields is itself a
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fictional name. No one ever really called the area that,
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but we used it. A lot of the book is fiction,
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but believe me, it's it's not fictional in the sense
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that it describes things that actually have happened, because I
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took a lot of the thousands of stories I read
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and used my imagination and thought, well, what could possibly
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happen in this situation, and it was pretty realistic, even
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though I made up the situations, if that makes sense.
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Right right right now.
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As far as the other experiences that you took from
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that went into your book, is there any that really
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stand out for you besides the story you just told us.
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Any other encounters that really stand out that you'd like
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to share.
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With us.
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In terms of things that I've.
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That other that others have told you that they've witnessed.
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Well, the the things that mean the most, that I
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get the most out of are the things that where
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people do stuff that seems unusual. One of them always
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comes to mind when people ask about this. There's one
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where these campers in Washington State, these girl Scouts, were
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having a camp at you know where they go out
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for church camps or something like that, and one of
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these things showed up and all the girls ran, but
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one of the girls started running around the animal in
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a circle, just circling them, and the animal was as
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dumbfounded as she was. And I thought, who would ever
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make that up? No one would ever make that up,
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that someone would run around the animal in a circle.
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And I tended some of the things that I look
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for in the stories is people who are legitimately afraid
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when they tell their story, and then when they do
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kind of unusual things, because honestly, when people are put
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under pressure, they tend to do unusual things, and you
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often go, why did they do that? Have you ever
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had that experience and so I look for ironies like
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that when I look for stories to see is there
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some irony in it or is this just, you know,
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predictable using the five basic things you know and predictability,
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And because I think a lot of the stories you
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have that you have to say they're not honest, you
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know a lot of them now because too many people
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know too much, right, So you have to go into
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these stories now almost looking for ways to discount them,
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not because you don't believe in it, but just because
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there's a lot of people just making stuff up. But
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but I think the things I look for is legitimate
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fear that's still psychologically effected, because you've got to be
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a pretty good actor to pretend you're afraid. If you're
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still having fear and your voice is cracking and you
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you're nervous, and you and you can't you need to
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take a pause and a break. Those are things you
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have to learn to do as an actor to pull off.
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And most people aren't actors. So I look for I
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look for stories that were the legitimate fear around the
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storyteller or the encounter teller, and then I look that
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they did strange stuff, and those are that's the one
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that comes to me. I really liked when I saw
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the Star Wars character that was a Sasquatch type figure
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OCAs Chewbacca. There was one called Chewbacca Man. This this
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boy made a relationship with what he called Chewbacco Man,
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and it was a bigfoot and he brought his friend
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down to see him, and the whole story was told
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from the standpoint of his friend, and it was just
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fascinating and scary and and tried to give him chuck.
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It was it was just the coolest story, and that
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that kind of stuff just wouldn't you just wouldn't be
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able to make it up like as good as it
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came out. And that's what I was just going to
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ask you.
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Were most of the encounters that you've heard about more
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of a scary or terrifying experience as opposed to something
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that just elicits more of wonder or is even more
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of a benevolent experience.
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It's just because of the nature of the human being
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and the nature of the encounter being so sudden and
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out of nowhere for most people didn't know anything about
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it going in. That's another thing I look for if
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they were big bigfoot fans going into the encounter, I
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start to discount it a little bit. Not that they're
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lying necessarily, but you know, what are the chances. I mean,
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I've been out a lot, I've never seen one, and
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I've hunted, I've done. What are the chances that you
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could also be a big proponent of bigfoot and see one.
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I think it's pretty rare. But anyway, regardless, I think
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most people coming from normal situations where they're suddenly faced
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with this creature that they've never seen before, and it's
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pretty opposing, imposing, I think they're going to be scared.
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So most of the time it's fear. If they're caught,
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If they're used to it and it's common to them
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and it's not something brand new, there's more likelihood that
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it might not be based on fear. I've seen stories
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where they came in people's houses and they fed them
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cookies that may or may not be true. I don't know,
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you know, I've seen stories where they they communicated with
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each other in some way that may or may not
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be true. I don't discount it, but most of them
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are people are afraid, they don't know what to do,
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and a lot of times I think the bigfoot becomes
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the victim of that because they don't know what to
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do and they communicate in some way and then they
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wind up getting shot. And so the ones that I've
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heard of being killed, sometimes I think the person was
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probably in danger and needed to shoot them. But more
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often than that, I think the person miss misinterpreted cues
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because they were in a situation, they were afraid, and
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they maybe killed them unnecessarily or shot at them unnecessarily.
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So I have a lot of respect for the animals,
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but they can be very dangerous, just like any animal,
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and I think they often we only hear the stories,
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remember of the ones who return. We never hear the
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stories of the ones who don't return, and I'm sure
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there's a lot of those stories that we will never hear,
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and they were probably not the most pleasant story.
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Now you just called them animals, Do you think that
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they are just flesh and blood hominids, Because there's so
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much high strangeness surrounding encounters with these, especially the ones
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that I've heard and that I've put into my documentary
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with one of my primary witnesses his name in Scott Pace.
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There's everything from these creatures being able to cloak and disappear,
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possibly have a connection to UFOs and as well as
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psychic communication at times. So there is something going on
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with a consciousness connection, at least with some of these creatures, right, Yeah.
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I think it goes back to what I think. The
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Bigfoot is a small microcosm of what our place is
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in this universe, and we've, for some reason, our government
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wants to cover that up. They've done it so much.
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I don't believe them anymore, even when they try not to, right,
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because they just lie. They lie about everything. And so
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I think though, that we live in a massively large universe,
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that we're a very small planet in a very small
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solar system of a relatively small galaxy, amongst billions of galaxies,
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trillions of stars and trillions of planets, and somehow we're
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not the only things that are alive in this universe.
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I think it's very possible, if you have to push
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me say it is, there isn't if I had to
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do that, And I don't know, so I can't say
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for sure, but I would say that it's possible. These
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things aren't. They aren't from here. I think somehow they've
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been either dropped off here or what is it when
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you put someone out on an island and you make
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them stay out there, what's the worst vanished?
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Exiled?
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Yes, exiled here, maybe some other alien culture, shaid I
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have had enough of these things. They're off of our
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planet right now. I don't know what it is, but
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you know how with Superman he has super strength here,
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but in his own planets he didn't have super strength
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because the Krypton helped keep him from having being too strong.
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I wonder sometimes because these things do things that you
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shouldn't be able to do. They physiologically do things that
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you shouldn't be able to do, including jumping, running, moving,
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Their movements don't seem right. Something's just not earthly. When
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when the people report what they've seen, believable reports from
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real people that are believable people. And I think it
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might be that they just were their DNA and their
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their physical physical abilities were developed with in areas where
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the gravity was stronger, and and now they're on here,
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and two of them they can jump a mile and
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they can run super fast because they have less restraints
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than they than their their evolution built into them. So
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I wonder if that's possible. I also think that the
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world is a lot stranger than we wanted to believe.
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We don't live in a materialistic world. We live in
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a conceptual, immaterialistic, spiritual place. And science is beginning to
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catch up in spite of the scientists. And we got
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to stop thinking we have this all figured out, because
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we do not. And there are things going on in
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this world that don't make sense, and we can't keep
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hiding from him, and the government has to quit hiding
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us from it, or for whatever reason, they have to
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stop doing it. Is grow up and be adults. And
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there's things I think that there are quantum physics. These
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things might have some quantum things. They might they there
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might be portals. I discounted that for a long time,
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but there might be, and I'm seeing some evidence that
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there are. Would people just disappear they know where they
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are now, I don't know.
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I'm going to briefly just run through some of the
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experiences that the witness that I feature in my documentary
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Scott Pace, which I really encourage you to go to
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watch I can. I'll actually I'll send you a screener
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after so you can take a look. Because his experiences
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are absolutely incredible. They're the most incredible that I've heard
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from anybody who's had these types of experiences.
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He lives in South Louisiana.
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It all started out with him witnessing a bigfoot, and
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not only a bigfoot, a dog man within the same radius,
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so a were wolf like creature, and they both started
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psychically communicating because the were wolf creature was threatened and
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was threatening him to come over to the deer blind
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where he was and tear him apart. The bigfoot, in turn,
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was trying to diffuse the situation, saying that he wasn't
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that he was mentally speaking with the dog man teleopathically
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saying that no, this guy's not trying to hurt us,
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he's just looking at us. And it was an incredible
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situation that terrified him.
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So he took off.
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Running out of the deer blind, and he said that
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he looked back and sense that there were more of
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these creatures following him out. Well after that experience, he
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became more curious, of course, about the whole phenomena, and
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he started seeing more of these things. They started actually
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coming into his house at night, peeking in his windows,
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and he eventually started having psychic communication in the in
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the swamp lands with these creatures. And like I said,
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he believes this and he is just your normal every day.
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He didn't know anything about this phenomenon before. He's not
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looking for any attention. Hear it, and he's he's had
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these but they eventually they eventually turned into what you
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would understands contact or alien abduction experiences where he'd have
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missing time and the next day he'd have memories of
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being escorted through catacomb like chambers with great extraterrestrials, mantis
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looking beings, and a bigfoot accompanying them somehow, So his
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experience has evolved. They continue to evolve more to a
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more of an extraterrestrial nature as he as he gets
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more involved in this, and it's incredible and I just
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would love to get your insights further into that whole
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extraterrestrial connection.
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Well, I think that's I think that's where the answers are.
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And when one we understand with better degree of ability
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what's really going on out there, we will everything will
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make sense about Bigfoot. Then we'll go, oh, geez, you
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know what you have those moments, Oh wow, that makes sense,
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And it's like when you're you know, you're reading. You
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read the end of a book and you go, how
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did that happen? You know, you read the beginning and
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the end, you go, how did that happen? And it
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just doesn't seem real. But then you read the rest
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of the book, and all of a sudden you see
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all the points that connect. I think that's going to happen.
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I think we're we might be close to it. It
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might just be more distraction and fakery to keep us
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off tracks. I honestly don't know.
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What do you think about the possibility that instead of
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off planet, that these beings are more of an interdimensional nature,
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or they are from here, just in a different frequency
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or density to where we cannot perceive that, or they
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can fade in and out of our perception at any time.
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But these beings may have originated here, along with other
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types of extraterrestrials that may not necessarily be coming from space,
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but from different types of dimensional realms here on what
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we consider Earth.
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What could be I think that dimensionality for a physical object,
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there's there got to be some density. Even with quantum
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physics and the measurement problem and all of that, there's
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still some degree of the physical existence. It's dense. There's
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a density about physical objects that complicates the idea of measurement.
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We know photons do what you think they're going to
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do when you see them doing it. We know that
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that's a reality, and that photons can change certain realities
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by just by observing them, by measuring them. It's the
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measurement effect. And there's some implications to our physical reality
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that are affected by measurement, by attitudes, and things we
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believe are going to be true they tend to happen,
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and things we believe aren't going to happen tend not
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to happen. So that we do have some some measurable
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we can collapse reality to some degree into things we
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want it to be. But I think ultimately our physical
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reality is pretty dense. So the think of coming in
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and out of existence because we want to come in
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and out of existence, I'm not sure if that's possible.
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I know we're not doing it right. It's maybe an
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object could do it well.
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I believe that our each and ancestors most likely had
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these abilities and capabilities of this. It's just we've been
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so dampered by everything that we're exposed to you know.
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Yeah, I think that we used to be more telepathic.
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We use to have to be telepathic, and we used
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to also have to be sense seeing things around us,
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just telepathically and not by our hearing them or seeing
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them or touching them. Because the threats were graver, you
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didn't have a lot of time. Now we have tools,
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and we have fire, and we have lights, and we
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have all these things that we're dependent on in computers,
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and we stop depending on the things we probably organically
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dependent on when we were older or of newer. Maybe
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there is a way to say it so, And I
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think we used to communicate telepathically more with each other
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and with just like these animals do. And these animals
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clearly do so, But I don't know. I tend to
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think more along the lines of the portals, yeah, and
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going in and out of different realities via portals, which
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is pretty consistent with intent and understanding quantum physics. There
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could be it's it's at least theoretically possible for you
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to step into a portal in one galaxy and end
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in a portal in another galaxy, because based on the
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measurement problem and understanding entanglements, I don't know if you
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can do it or not.
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I don't.
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I don't think we can do it, but it's possible.
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Other cultures and other aliens have been able to do
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it and take advantage of it. And maybe these are
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an aspect of that. Yeah, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, and earlier you mentioned there is most likely a
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cover up of these beings. I believe that government and
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from our three letter agencies, I believe that they very
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well know are aware of Bigfoot in some of these
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cryptid creatures. And there's some that speculate that there is
484
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.279
a branch somewhat like a big footman in black that
485
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.759
focuses on sightings and areas where these these creatures seem
486
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.799
to frequent and be frequently spotted, and there seems to
487
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.400
be a cover up of some sort. I've heard witnesses
488
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:13.119
that talk about two men or two officers or agents
489
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.680
going visit their home after a siding and trying to
490
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.119
get them to believe that they saw a bear or
491
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:21.640
not to talk about.
492
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.480
The event, or something like that. If you heard any
493
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:24.039
stories like.
494
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.799
These, Oh, there's elements of that in my book, So
495
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:32.599
read chapter thirty. Yes, it is part of that. That'll
496
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.279
be what helps us with a sequel. So yeah, I
497
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:42.519
believe that. I just like I said, I think they're
498
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:47.119
covering up a lot. I think that power corrupts, and
499
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.640
absolute power corrupts absolutely, and our government is way too big,
500
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.640
too honestly serve the people, and now we're become a
501
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.599
servant of them instead of vice versa, and to do
502
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.880
and for whatever reason they're covering up, even if it's
503
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.519
just to protect us from things we have no control over,
504
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.799
and why be afraid of something you can't control, I
505
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.240
can kind of see that if the government's doing that.
506
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.039
But by this time now it's time to get over
507
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.279
the charade. We're adult people. Tell us the truth. If
508
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.920
we need to stay out of the forest or be
509
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.480
more careful in the forest, why not tell us? And
510
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.880
unless it threatens their capacity to rule, which is also
511
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.920
possible now. I don't think it's the lumberjacks. I don't
512
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.039
think it's saving the trees. I don't think they can
513
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.119
give a crap about the trees. Okay, I don't think
514
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:41.880
they care about it.
515
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:43.839
If we're talking about these ability.
516
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.240
Troy industries overnight and they don't seem to care. They
517
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.480
can destroy industries and they don't seem to care, But
518
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.920
why do they care about them? I think it's other
519
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.279
things related to their own power. It is.
520
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:55.839
It's yeah, I believe you. I think that that's exactly
521
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.119
what it is. If there's implications of consciousness abilities or
522
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.680
understanding of how to manipulate energy in any ways, there's
523
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.839
free energy implications there and.
524
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.920
Want and I think there's a lot to do that.
525
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.079
Yeah, so there's some implications for that as well as
526
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.000
far as evidence, as far as physical evidence, do you
527
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.920
think that that could be a reason why we're not
528
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.359
able to collect that much physical evidence, is because it's
529
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.319
being covered up? Or have you heard of more types
530
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.920
of physical evidence besides just the footprints. Have you heard
531
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.519
of big foot poop or more types of hair being found?
532
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.079
Well, I'll give you I'll give you an example. My
533
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.160
brother and I in that area where the book was written,
534
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.200
we went out just went out to the lumber road
535
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.000
one day. He took me out and there was this
536
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.839
lumber road that went connected from the highway and it
537
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:59.000
was it was it was arranged, not arranged, but it existed.
538
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:03.559
In a normal game trail there there's a place for
539
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:05.759
the game to cross from one side of the highway
540
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.559
to the other side of the highway, and then there's
541
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.920
a trail up into the lumber area for them to
542
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.960
use if they wanted to. And it was in close
543
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.759
proximity to the power lines which I often mentioned in
544
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.880
the book. And so we got out and we looked around.
545
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.559
The first thing I saw was a broken branch. It
546
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.160
was about twelve feet high. We took measurements of it
547
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.200
and everything twelve feet high, and it was just cracked.
548
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.240
And there's no snow there. It's not from snow wade
549
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.519
or it's not that much wind, and it was just
550
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:42.519
broken like a toothpick broken. And about the top fourth
551
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.720
of it, or maybe a top eighth of it was
552
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.559
just broken, and it was facing downward. And I looked
553
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.799
at that. I said, well, that's unusual. But if I
554
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.880
had not read all the stories that I've read and
555
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.720
listened to all the people, I wouldn't even have acknowledged
556
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.279
that would have meant nothing to me. Okay, but what
557
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.799
it was was at least possible evidence. Then I found
558
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.599
some scat on the ground that was pretty big. It
559
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.519
wasn't a bear, and if it was a human, it
560
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.920
was a big human. And my brother said, oh, it's
561
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.880
just some squatter. I mean he was it was a
562
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.119
pun but it was also true because there's a lot
563
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.239
there's some squatters in that area. But I looked at
564
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.920
it and I said, well, it's kind of big for
565
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.280
a person. So but I took pictures of it. And
566
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.840
that was the second thing. And then I started thinking, Okay,
567
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.800
so this is if this thing is here, I want
568
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.199
to see I want to find where it would have walked.
569
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.360
And lo and behold, I found a track. It wasn't
570
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.360
a track as good as some of the tracks because
571
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.119
it was fairly dry ground. It was hard ground, but
572
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.920
I saw something that looked like a scuff mark that
573
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.320
was pretty long. And then I started looking, well, I
574
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.760
don't see any marks before it, so it must have
575
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.360
come in off of off of the woodline, onto the trail,
576
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.199
onto the road. So I started looking and I found
577
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.079
a place where it would have stepped to get on
578
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.360
the thing. And then further ahead I found more scuff marks,
579
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:15.039
which means that it was about five five feet in
580
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.519
between steps. And we measured the scuff marks with our
581
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:25.360
feet and it was about you know, it was probably
582
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.599
a fifty sixteen seventeen foot foot. It was a big,
583
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:35.519
big foot, much bigger than ours. So I think there's
584
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.239
there's at least possibility that this was evidence, that this
585
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.239
was all circumstantial evidence for the existence of these things.
586
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.920
If that thing was broken for a reason, why be
587
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.320
the natural place to break a tree would be to
588
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.440
mark a game trail to degerstating, go to where you
589
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.320
see the broken tree and wait for a deer to
590
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.519
run across, right this, So I thought, maybe that's it.
591
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.639
Now this is I can't prove this. If I if
592
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.840
I had to throw some money on a table and
593
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.559
make a bet, you know, I would probably say, yes,
594
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:12.039
there's something to it, but it's just circumstantial evidence. But
595
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.079
I would not have even have noticed it. Have I
596
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.559
not been aware of what's in the different reports? And
597
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.199
most people miss it because they don't know what they're
598
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.079
looking for. And they often say, well, I've never seen one,
599
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.760
but I bet you they've seen them, right, And they
600
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.840
didn't even know they were looking at them because they
601
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.400
don't even know what to look for. And so I
602
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.360
think if I was out in the woods enough, and
603
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.079
I'm not I'm not a hunter, and i'm not a
604
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.199
lumber person, and I'm not a National forest person. But
605
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.159
if I was, I would see one because I would
606
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.639
know what to look for. I might not see it great,
607
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:51.760
I might not see it long, but I bet you
608
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.840
eventually i'd catch my something. But I'm just not I
609
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:57.159
don't have time to do all that.
610
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.400
So in your research, did you ever come across a
611
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:06.280
story where there were not just bigfoots, but other type
612
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.199
of cryptid creatures in proximity or involved in the story.
613
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:15.800
Well, I've heard the stories of them. I've heard them
614
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.360
where Bigfoot protected somebody from a dog man. I think
615
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:26.159
dog man or my sense is that there's some demonic
616
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:31.360
nature to that. Okay, I can't prove it, but I
617
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.920
did do a little research and I looked where the
618
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:39.400
dog man occurrences occur, and they tend to occur in
619
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:44.840
rural or even city in cities. Well, the big You
620
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:49.480
never see bigfoot in cities, very very very rare, and
621
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.079
it would only be in a suburb on the edge
622
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.480
of a forest. Okay, and even then it's going to
623
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.840
be super rare. But you see these often in areas
624
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.920
where you would never see a bigfoot, So they obviously
625
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.719
don't need the forest to hide. I think bigfoot uses
626
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:11.199
the forest for the purpose of protecting their ability to
627
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:16.079
blend in and it's a protection for them. But I
628
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.480
don't think these things do and I they show up
629
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.679
in unusual places and then they scare. They they tend
630
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.039
to do it for the purpose of making people afraid.
631
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.960
They're very threatening. Sometimes the Bigfoot are two. So I'm
632
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.760
not saying they don't, but I think it seems like
633
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.679
that's the purpose of these things. So and for a
634
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.960
long time I discounted them because I felt like they
635
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.480
were delegitimizing the thing I'd been fighting for for years,
636
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:47.519
which was legitimizing.
637
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:49.880
I was there with you for a while too, and I.
638
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.199
Said, why are you bringing these things up? I mean,
639
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.360
don't we have enough problems with this thing? But now
640
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.199
I've kind of there's a same situation. There must be
641
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.239
something going on. So I don't discount it, and I
642
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.079
don't fight against it. But in my limited study of
643
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:11.119
the subject, I think it's probably demonic, or it's it's
644
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.159
possibly maybe I should say possibly demonic.
645
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:18.800
Now let's get into the spiritual possibilities with these creatures.
646
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.719
I to believe that there is a nefarious nature to
647
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.039
the dog Man, although I've heard of just a couple
648
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:30.559
of stories where it was not necessarily a malevolent encounter,
649
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.480
just a curious, curious encounter. But most of the stories
650
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.239
I've heard dog Man is not a good.
651
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.360
Character to come across.
652
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.039
But big on the other hand, I have heard many
653
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:46.679
more stories of positive experiences than negative experiences. And I
654
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.480
have heard plenty of negative experience terrifying experiences with Bigfoot,
655
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.199
but I'm starting to hear more of the positive experiences
656
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.079
as I have more witnesses and experiencers on. It's about
657
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.159
almost half and half now as far as the ones
658
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:06.320
that have had positive experiences, These experiences have changed these
659
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.920
people's life for the better in incredible ways. And this
660
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.039
is almost across the board with people who have had
661
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:18.760
these positive experiences, and even with the witness Scott Pace,
662
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.599
he says his psychic communication with these beings is very benevolent.
663
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.599
They seem to be teaching him.
664
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.000
I've had a guest on that was talking about Native
665
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.320
American lord that calls these creatures the Sabe and in
666
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.639
their legend, they send out their young warriors into the
667
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:40.599
wilderness to become a man basically, and they have this
668
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.599
spiritual vision quest while they're out there, and they're supposed
669
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.400
to encounter these Bigfoot creatures who give them spiritual guidance
670
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.639
and help them to achieve their accomplishment of becoming a
671
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.079
man and send them back to the village. And I
672
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.639
think that there is a very spiritual nature about these beings.
673
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.639
And I've heard a lot of people who have had,
674
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.559
like I said, very incredible spiritual encounters where it seems
675
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:10.719
like it's enhancing or giving them some sort of information
676
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.480
that upgrades their spiritual evolution in a way.
677
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.400
What do you think about that.
678
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:23.159
I think that the experiences from the tribe to tribe
679
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:29.519
with the natives are different. Some of them they see
680
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.960
them as a demonic type figure. Some of them see
681
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.360
them like you've mentioned there, some of them just see
682
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.840
them as people from a different tribe that we don't understand,
683
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.199
or that we're just separate. We leave them alone, they
684
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:47.480
leave us alone. So it varies as much between native
685
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.320
tribes as these things as it does with us, with
686
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.280
our experiences with them. And I think it's very possible
687
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.719
that there's more than one kind. And it's also possible,
688
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.360
just like with people, that some of them are bad
689
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:08.280
and unkind and maybe malevolent, and some of them are
690
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.119
just normal creatures trying to make it through life and
691
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:18.559
not necessarily trying to cause any pretty problems. But when
692
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.559
we do come into conflict and they have hunger needs
693
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.840
and we have food or our food, we might become
694
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:26.599
the victim of that.
695
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.840
So if you think about it, just like groups of
696
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.119
different groups of people, some of us have concern over
697
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.760
what some other groups of people are even lesser life forms.
698
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.599
If you look at the way we treat animals, some
699
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.000
of us don't care, some of us want to experiment
700
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.880
on the animals, some of us want to help save
701
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.800
the animals. So it could be the same with these creatures.
702
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.199
Today. It's much more dangerous running into a person in
703
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:57.480
the woods than and so not to say I want
704
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.400
to run into a bigfoot, but I would. I would
705
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.800
be more scared of a human with a gun than
706
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.079
a bigfoot, you know, so especially if I wasn't armed.
707
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.360
In fact, if I had to not be armed and
708
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.079
it wasn't a hunter, I would rather run into the
709
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.639
bigfoot than the person with the gun.
710
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.199
M Oh yeah.
711
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.039
So, but that's just because of all the crazy stuff
712
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.519
going on with drugs and everything.
713
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.639
There's been a lot happening in our mainstream revelations about
714
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:32.280
extraterrestrials and UFOs, which I don't trust. I don't trust
715
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.840
anything our government or the mainstream media is telling us
716
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.360
about this. I believe that they're not some sort of
717
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.079
psychological operation behind it. But what do you think do
718
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.840
you think that there is connection to what could be
719
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.679
UFOs and what they are actually telling us.
720
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.039
Well, if let's just ask this. If they found they
721
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:56.280
said they found twelve twelve saucers and have re engineered,
722
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:02.960
and they talk about all that, what's the question that's begging,
723
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:07.960
that's just screaming from the rooftops that they aren't saying
724
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.639
that is who made them? That there's people, there's aliens,
725
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.800
there's some kind of creatures out there that have the
726
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.400
capacity of traveling thousands and millions and billions of miles
727
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.519
and being on this planet. However they're able to do it.
728
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.039
That's a big story that should be still, that should
729
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.360
be just going all through the media. The media has
730
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.760
just shut up about it. They there, they lie there,
731
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.719
They never tell the truth. Nothing they say is honest.
732
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.400
In my opinion, I'm sorry if I'm offending anybody, but
733
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.800
I do not trust anything they do or say anymore.
734
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.960
No, this is the great, the right place to have
735
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:46.599
that viewpoint.
736
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.039
So I'm telling you I'm done. I'm done with it.
737
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.880
That should be that should still be headline news from
738
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.960
two weeks ago. The guy comes forward and says, we
739
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:59.960
have saucers that were created by another culture off planet. Okay, really,
740
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.639
so can we talk about that culture now? All we're
741
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:05.679
going to do is focus on the saucer that we've
742
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.960
re engineered. If there's other cultures that are more powerful
743
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.559
than us, that affect us, that affects us, whether we
744
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.320
want it to or not, we should know. Common sense
745
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.719
would require how can people not ask those questions? What
746
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:21.840
is wrong with us? Well?
747
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.920
Yeah, it does seem like if this is not just
748
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:28.360
some sort of new psychological operation from the government to
749
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.719
roll out new toys or cause a fake alien invasion,
750
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.119
it seems like people would be raising more questions about
751
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.880
these events and some of the whistleblowers that have come
752
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.280
out with this information lately.
753
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.639
Right, Yeah, Some of it might just be that we're
754
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.679
so used to it from watching sci fi on television
755
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.719
that it's not a surprise to us. Oh yeah, tell
756
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:55.440
us something new. But think about the implications. What do
757
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:58.360
we know about these creatures that seem to have power
758
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.039
over us? You'd think you'd want to know that. I
759
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.000
would kind of like to know that. That would would
760
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.400
if they're gonna come and take my wife and you know,
761
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.519
make me so I can't work, you know, I'd like
762
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.320
to know, you know that. There's just I just don't
763
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.760
understand how those questions aren't just driving the news, but
764
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.480
the news I don't trust anymore. It's nothing but propaganda.
765
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.840
Now now I want to go back to Bigfoot. For
766
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.400
the last few minutes we have, there have been a
767
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:31.239
lot of researchers that have been delving into different types
768
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.559
or initiating different types of possible communication with these creatures
769
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:43.239
what you'd call gifting, communicating in different ways with different means.
770
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.480
Even by gifting different types of foods or artwork to
771
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:51.039
these creatures, some have had results where the creatures will
772
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.199
communicate back with them. What should be the techniques that
773
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.800
we're using to go and try and initiate some sort
774
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:02.519
of contact or to find out more about these creatures.
775
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:12.280
I don't know. I'd be reticent to feed them. I
776
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.880
think they are wild animals or at least should be
777
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:24.599
approached like that. I think that I kind of admire
778
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.760
people who try to communicate with them by talking or
779
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:37.920
by through meditation or teleopathic ways. I think our likelihood
780
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.199
of doing succeeding with that is greater than finding one.
781
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.239
You're not going to catch one. You know, you don't
782
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.679
want to kill one. I mean, I would never want
783
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.599
to kill one unless they were trying to kill me.
784
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:56.039
So that's probably a greater chance of a breakthrough with that,
785
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.719
as long as you're safe and you're not putting yourself
786
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:04.320
in stilly harm, you know. But I really think the
787
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:09.159
ultimate answer is finding out what's going on in space,
788
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.800
who we are with regard to what everything else in
789
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.800
reality is, where we fit and what really is going
790
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.639
on out there, and then I think the bigfoot thing
791
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.480
will kind of fall into place. So I think it's
792
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:29.639
the wrong search to just run around in the woods
793
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.840
and look for them. Not that I'm against people doing that.
794
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.079
It's an interesting thing to do, but I don't think
795
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.079
that's going to solve this mystery.
796
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.400
Now, there are other connections besides with just extraterrestrials and
797
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.760
these bigfoot, homited beings, encrypted beings. There seems to be
798
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.840
a connection with the paranormal in general, with what we
799
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.519
consider hauntings and spirit contact. If you look at I
800
00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.519
mean I use this as an example as often, but
801
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:03.119
places like Skinwalker Ranch, places like the Meadow where they
802
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:08.400
have high concentration of not only cryptid being sightings and UFOs,
803
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:13.360
but also strange unexplained paranormal activity, there does seem to
804
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:17.199
be a connection with what we understand is hauntings or
805
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.719
ghosts and even extra terrestrials. And there have been attempts
806
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.679
lately to scientifically find out what is going on at
807
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.679
places like Skinwalker Ranch.
808
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.199
But what I was talking with someone.
809
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.159
About this the other day, what I find the most
810
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.960
interesting about that is the scientific approach tends to have
811
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:42.840
very negative results, and it tends to interact very very negatively,
812
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.559
sometimes even aggressively if not approached in the right manner,
813
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.119
if not approached respectively respectfully, and it doesn't seem to
814
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.079
respond well to scientific approaches. On the other hand, I
815
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.639
have different researchers that are approaching some of this phenomenon
816
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.719
like what's occurring at skin Marker Ranch and even UFOs
817
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.159
in general, with a more spiritual attitude and a more
818
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:09.719
spiritual approach and using techniques like rituals or magic. They
819
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:15.119
are getting a more positive result and not necessarily finding
820
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.679
out what's behind the phenomenon, but a more positive interaction
821
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.559
with it, which tells me it really doesn't want us
822
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.239
to know scientifically what's going on behind this?
823
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:26.400
What do you think about it?
824
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:31.159
Or well, when we see paranormal, we're just saying beyond normal.
825
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:36.960
If we've been raised since the Enlightenment that everything is
826
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:41.480
is what you see, taste, touch, smell, and hear, that
827
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:47.039
we're materialistic objects in a materialistic universe with nothing else,
828
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.280
then you are going to resist any effort to say no.
829
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.239
To understand reality properly, you have to understand it in
830
00:50:54.320 --> 00:51:00.199
an immaterial way, in a spiritual way, and science has
831
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.320
been bogged down in trying to understand it purely in
832
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:10.400
a materialistic way and define itself as purely materialistic. And
833
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:14.480
that's why we're not having the breakthroughs we should be
834
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.679
having and could be having. If we started looking at
835
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:26.639
it as energy, as immaterial and possibilities, the spiritual possibilities,
836
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:30.559
and started looking toward those things, we're going to have
837
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:34.880
more success. And we're not going to have it by
838
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.400
the same old, same old and protecting our turf and
839
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.960
not being willing to look beyond the material world to
840
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.519
explain the material world, the material world is the product
841
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.320
of the spiritual world, not vice versa. And we're stuck
842
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.519
right now in a world that says consciousness is a
843
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:57.039
product of the brain. It is not a product of
844
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.679
the brain. The brain is the product of consciousness existed
845
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.039
before our brain, and we're going to exist after our brain.
846
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.880
We are spiritual first and material second, and even the
847
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:13.480
material that we are are spiritual. It's it's connected all
848
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:18.679
together by spiritual forces. So I think that to resolve
849
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.360
any of these issues, we have to be willing to
850
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:29.880
look at that aspect that immaterial solutions, immaterial basis of material. Yeah.
851
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:32.760
I think that's another reason for the cover up is
852
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:37.760
because these it is, these entities don't want us to
853
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.079
know who we are, the powers that we truly have,
854
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:43.119
where we come from, the energy that surrounds us at
855
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.880
all time, that can be used to fuel anything, to
856
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:50.360
power anything, to get us anywhere, and it binds everything
857
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.039
in our reality together. And if we understood that, we'd
858
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:57.239
have no more use for military industrial complex, Daddy government
859
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.400
and everything that holds control over us.
860
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:04.719
Yeah. It may also be because there we're being harvested.
861
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.079
I mean, I don't want to think it's all good.
862
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.079
They could be harvesting us and ignorance is their tool.
863
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:15.119
I don't know, And maybe the government is protecting us
864
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.480
from knowledge that we're being harvested and they can't do
865
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.400
anything about it because there's too many people are just
866
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.360
disappearing out of nowhere. There's in Texas. There's just so
867
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.760
many people that just disappear and no one ever finds them.
868
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:34.199
And how I mean, some of that's nefarious criminal activity,
869
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:35.599
but all of it.
870
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.480
That also leads to the possibility that this whole reality
871
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.159
is some sort of alien experiment, that we're just like
872
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.599
cattle for these beings.
873
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.519
It might be, it might not be. It just I
874
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:51.159
don't know. I would just like to know whether I
875
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.719
can do anything about it or not. I would kind
876
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.079
of like to know, And I tend to hope. I
877
00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:02.280
know in the long run, I oh that everything's created
878
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.960
by God and that He's in control somehow in all
879
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.639
of it. I don't know all the timing of that
880
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.000
and how much trouble and suffering is going to be
881
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:19.280
required in the eventual solution. So from a standpoint of spirituality,
882
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:23.039
I believe that we're in the long run fine, and
883
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.559
God's will will be done. But in the short run,
884
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:31.440
it could be some nightmares and these things may or
885
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.719
may not be or some of them may be pretty malevolent,
886
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.280
and some of them may be benevolent. We don't know,
887
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:39.480
but it would be nice to know.
888
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:42.320
So that's all, Yeah, one hundred percent.
889
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:46.519
And I think that with the amount of people that
890
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.760
are becoming curious about reality and looking into this phenomenon more,
891
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.519
it won't matter within a short period of time what
892
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:58.760
our government and the military intustrial complex is hiding from us.
893
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.320
We'll be able to uncover the secrets of the universe eventually,
894
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.199
And that's my hopes as long as we remain as
895
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.159
curious as we are. And I see that there is
896
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:10.360
an awakening occurring that gives me hope for that.
897
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.920
Yeah, I hope it is too. And I'm tending I
898
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:18.480
tend to be positive about the future, even though I'm
899
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:26.440
very disappointed and angry about the present. Yeah, but I
900
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.480
do feel like it might be leading somewhere, and it
901
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.679
might be exposing some things that have been going on
902
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:37.039
a long time, like the pharmaceutical industry and the military
903
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:43.800
industrial complex and the food industry. I mean, there's a
904
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:48.280
lot of just corruption where too many people or too
905
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.679
few people have too much power and that's not a
906
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:56.800
good recipe. So and maybe that's finally getting exposed, I hope.
907
00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.760
So maybe we have to blow up ourselves one more
908
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:01.079
time and start override on me.
909
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.639
Well, we wonder why these creatures don't want to make
910
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:05.599
contact with us?
911
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.320
Right? Yeah? I put a funny joke up on Instagram
912
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.840
and the aliens said now it showed them going toward
913
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:14.559
the Earth and one of them said to the other, now,
914
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:19.559
remember don't make eye contact. Yeah that's hilarious. So yeah,
915
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.159
who knows, I'd trure like to know.
916
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:25.079
Though, Well, Tim, this was great. We're gonna definitely have
917
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.400
to do this again. There's much more we can discuss.
918
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.679
Is there anything that you have coming down the pipeline
919
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.440
that you'd like to give a teaser about or anything
920
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:34.199
else you're working on.
921
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.239
Well, I'm in all the research mode right now. It'd
922
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.119
be great if I could have the second one done
923
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.199
by Christmas, but it's in the research mode right now.
924
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.599
So I want to say too much. But once I
925
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.159
get writing, I know how to do it all faster now. Yeah,
926
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:54.639
So it just I had to go through it once,
927
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.559
but now I kind of know what I'm doing and
928
00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:00.199
how to do it quicker and get results quicker. So
929
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.880
if I could have something at least in a rough
930
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.639
form by Christmas, I could probably have it out by February.
931
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:07.599
Excellent.
932
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:11.480
Now I have the links to your book right in
933
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.760
the description Tomato Fields. But if the audience wants to
934
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.440
find it and they don't have an ability to click
935
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:20.239
right now, where can they find your book?
936
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.079
Just real simple, throw in a Google search, Tim, Moon
937
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.000
tomato fields and it's moon and it's like in the
938
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.760
sky and tomato and fields just like it sounds. So
939
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.199
you can do that. You can also, I'll send you
940
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:38.119
all my contact information if I haven't done it already,
941
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:38.599
h I've.
942
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:38.880
Got it there.
943
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.000
I'll have it in the description, so they'll have all
944
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.360
that accessible.
945
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.719
There's a lot of activity on Instagram. It's by far
946
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:51.920
the most effective social media I've come across, so there's
947
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.519
a lot of common interest there on paranormal stuff. So
948
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.360
I talk, I communicate a lot with people on that,
949
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.679
so they're free to contact me there or email me
950
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.559
whatever they're comfortable with. So I'll make sure that you
951
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:09.119
have all that.
952
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.159
Excellent, Tim, thank you once again, we'll do this again.
953
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:15.039
Thank you, and until next time, I'd love to. Yes,
954
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.679
it was great. Until next time, everyone, have an excellent
955
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:19.679
evening today. I want to welcome back to the show
956
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.639
Corey Hughes. He is an author, researcher, and host of
957
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:30.079
Bloody History, Understanding Propaganda and co host of Day Zero. Corey,
958
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:30.800
welcome back.
959
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.199
How you doing excellent? Good to be back.
960
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:36.480
Yeah, it's great to have you.
961
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.880
And you're putting the finishing touches on your book right now.
962
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.079
A Warning from History and this provides one of the
963
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.559
most in depth analysis not only of the events surrounding
964
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:50.920
the assassination of JFK, but even identification of some of
965
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.599
the most critical players involved. And you've been coming on
966
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.039
periodically and sharing pieces of the puzzle, breaking down the
967
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.840
event that really paved the way for what we now
968
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:02.519
know as a new World order.
969
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:03.760
And I'm not.
970
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.400
Sure exactly where we left off last time, But where
971
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:08.199
should we begin with this today?
972
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:09.880
Well, let me just give you a little bit of
973
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:12.840
I'll give you a little background in history on how
974
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.880
the book actually came along. I've actually been working on
975
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.079
the writing of the book for well. I wrote about
976
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.679
two chapters when you and I were living in Denver
977
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.719
about two years ago. But then I didn't write anything
978
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:30.199
else until March of last year, and so it's been
979
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:34.719
as it's been as NonStop as I could possibly make it,
980
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:36.480
because when you write a book, you have to go
981
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.639
back and you might know it all in your head,
982
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:39.960
but you have to go back and you have to
983
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.039
double check your research. You have to double check and
984
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.440
pull your references. You have to do a lot of
985
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.960
stuff that causes you to spend more time researching again
986
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.320
stuff you've already done than actually writing words on paper.
987
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.480
So that's been a very frustrating part for me, because
988
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:56.719
you think you have it in your head and you
989
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:57.920
can just oh, I can just go and write it
990
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.000
all out. No, there's so much too that you have
991
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.000
to actually go back and you have to double check yourself.
992
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:04.760
And there's been a lot of times when I'm like, well,
993
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.280
how do I know this? I know that I know this,
994
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.159
but how do I know this? And so then I'll
995
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.000
have to go back and I'll re research how I
996
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:14.599
know something. Right. So it's been a long process, but
997
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.760
in doing it the way I have, the book has
998
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.039
kind of written itself. It kind of went in its
999
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:24.199
own directions. When I sat down, I started to write
1000
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.599
a book on I wanted to be the definitive book
1001
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.199
on everything, and then I realized it's not possible. I mean,
1002
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:33.119
you would have fifteen to twenty thousand pages on print
1003
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:35.920
if you were to write a book that had everything right.
1004
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.400
So you really need an encyclopedia for that. So then
1005
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:41.239
I started to focus just on the shooters, and then
1006
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.199
in doing that, I had to prove how I know
1007
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.599
these were the shooters, and then from that it shows
1008
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.559
the relationships back to all the key people because obviously
1009
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.440
this is the largest conspiracy ever and that all of
1010
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.760
these various paths from the shooters, reverse engineered, all merge
1011
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.199
at a specific point, right. So that's one theme of
1012
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.199
the book, And the other theme of the book is
1013
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.159
showing that Oswald is mostly a construct. He is mostly
1014
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.039
a figment of someone's imagination. Where they took a real
1015
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.800
person who was working for intelligence who had defected to
1016
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:20.559
the Soviet Union, probably under a program called Redskin. There
1017
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.320
was a number of programs stretching from nineteen fifty five
1018
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:29.800
through the assassination in nineteen sixty three. For the most part,
1019
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:31.880
a lot of these programs came to an end. These
1020
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.000
programs to try to get a spy into the Soviet Union.
1021
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:36.519
They took a number of different paths. Right, Obviously Oswald
1022
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.119
was a false effector they had other programs that would
1023
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:42.039
involve legal travel. They would have other people who were
1024
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:47.000
former residents of Lithuania and Latvia and some of these Estonia,
1025
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.599
some of the Baltic regions. They would have people who
1026
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.480
grew up there who left became American citizens. They would
1027
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:56.239
have them go back to these countries and act as spies. Right,
1028
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:59.880
So when you study this the Redskin program, you'll find
1029
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.960
there's really a series of programs between fifty five and
1030
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:07.880
sixty three that cover their attempts at getting spies into
1031
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.400
the Soviet Union. And really it fell under about a
1032
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.440
dozen different programs, AE Balcony, A Root, There were a
1033
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.679
whole bunch of them, and so this came to a
1034
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.119
screeching halt by the time of the assassination. It seems
1035
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.639
like they started to wind this stuff down at the
1036
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.039
end of June nineteen sixty two, and then what happened
1037
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.400
a week later. A week later, after they wind down
1038
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:34.079
these AE Balcony related programs and A Root related programs
1039
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.639
and Redskin projects, one week after they end the program,
1040
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.119
Oswald comes back from the Soviet Union. Right, So the
1041
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:43.440
timing of his coming back coincides with the ending of
1042
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.920
these programs. And when you come to understand the nature
1043
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.360
of these programs and how in depth they were and
1044
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.039
what they were doing, they were tracking US citizens who
1045
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.800
were going to these countries. Right, So if you lived
1046
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:58.199
in America and you travel to these countries, they knew
1047
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.320
who you were and they were keeping tabs on you
1048
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.280
under the guise of these what I would call redskin projects.
1049
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.440
So the idea that Oswald would be able to go
1050
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:13.119
there defect then and he wouldn't be under their watchful
1051
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.199
eye going back till you know, nineteen fifty nine when
1052
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:18.159
he got into the Marines and these programs were obviously
1053
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:19.960
going on. It seems like he was groomed from day
1054
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.719
one to be specifically a part of this redskin program.
1055
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:27.199
Well, when you say Oswald, are you talking about the original,
1056
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:30.480
the root Oswald? Okay, because I know there's plenty of
1057
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:31.840
doubles that have come after.
1058
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.039
Here's the problem. There probably is no root Oswald. There
1059
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.760
probably isn't. And really, to come in on that, we
1060
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.159
have alleged birth certificates saying he was born to Marguerite Oswald,
1061
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:47.679
and Robert Lee Oswald. But there's only one picture has
1062
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.039
ever shown up of Robert Lee Oswald, and he looks
1063
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:54.320
almost identical to an FBI agent in Dallas named j.
1064
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:58.119
Walton Moore. So it's really weird. I don't understand how
1065
01:03:58.159 --> 01:03:58.440
they do.
1066
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.360
Which Oswald is the most the most famous phase that
1067
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.400
we all recognize, the one that we both have on
1068
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.840
our T shirt, that we see mostly featured in the
1069
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:07.880
mainstream media.
1070
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:09.639
Is that the root the real Oswald?
1071
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:10.039
You think?
1072
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:15.480
Definitely not so from what I can tell, the original
1073
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:21.280
real Oswald born to the original Marguerite Oswald, who had
1074
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:24.800
a brother, Robert Oswald, who had a half brother named John.
1075
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:31.639
Pick this person up through the age of twelve is
1076
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.920
pretty standard. But once you get to the age of twelve,
1077
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:38.679
you'll start to find duplicate records of Oswald having been
1078
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.840
in different schools when like, for example, he went to
1079
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:47.039
PS forty four in Manhattan. That is confirmed. He went
1080
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:49.159
to PS forty four in Manhattan, and it was called
1081
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.800
PS forty four because it was the forty fourth school
1082
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:55.880
in that Manhattan district. Okay, there are teachers there who
1083
01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:00.159
knew him there. However, at some point in time the
1084
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.400
record was obfuscated, and he then all of a sudden
1085
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.880
appeared at PS forty four in another borough. I think
1086
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.800
it was in Queens. So when you study the official record,
1087
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.719
it says that he was at Queen's PS forty four,
1088
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.599
but that's not but the other PS forty four is
1089
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.760
where he really went to school. Right, So these kind
1090
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.320
of shenanigans go back to the time Oswald was twelve
1091
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.880
up in New York. They continue when he comes back
1092
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:29.960
to New Orleans where when he goes to middle school
1093
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.880
in the nineteen fifty four school year, he allegedly goes
1094
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:37.960
to Beauregard, and we have eyewitnesses that knew him at Beauregard,
1095
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.719
friends that knew him at Beauregard. We have well documented
1096
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:44.760
in the official story that he went to Beauregard. However,
1097
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:47.920
while he was going to Beauregard, there was a Lee
1098
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:51.480
Harvey Oswald who went with a mother named Marguerite Oswald,
1099
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:56.599
who went to Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth, Okay.
1100
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.239
So we have the school. We have acknowledgment from the
1101
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.440
vice principal of the school who handed the records off
1102
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.519
of the FBI that yes, he saw with his own
1103
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.159
eyes the records that Lee Harvey Oswell went to stripling
1104
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:13.559
during the first six weeks of that school year, but
1105
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:15.760
at the exact same time he was enrolled and never
1106
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:19.280
missed the class while he was at Boreguard in New Orleans. Right,
1107
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.559
So we have these like duplicate records starting in New
1108
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:27.440
York continuing to New Orleans, showing that way before the assassination,
1109
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.320
way before he was even in the Marines, there was
1110
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:37.440
some kind of program designed to keep and maintain a
1111
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:41.360
person under a two people under one identity, right now,
1112
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.360
why would you want to do that? Why would you
1113
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:47.199
have two people under one identity? Well, John Armstrong's theory
1114
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.800
on this is that part of these programs that were
1115
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:53.800
going on at this time, these a rout and a
1116
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:58.679
balcony type programs, that they were trying to get a
1117
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.440
spy in the Soviet Union, And however they were using
1118
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.280
a child who had been plucked from an Eastern Bloc
1119
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:08.480
country who spoke fluent Russian. Right, So, imagine you have
1120
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:13.320
another child around twelve years old, you bring him to America,
1121
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:17.800
he speaks both fluent Russian and fluent English, and you
1122
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:20.639
raise him under the name of a child who already
1123
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:26.840
exists all right, Then when you get to the Marines,
1124
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:32.000
there is clear evidence that there's the same shenanigans going on.
1125
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.599
Duplicate records of Oswald having been at the language school
1126
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:40.119
in Monterey as having been in certain marine squadrons, but
1127
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:44.679
then duplicate information about Oswald having been in other marine
1128
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.199
squadrons and other classes at Monterey.
1129
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:47.400
Right.
1130
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.760
So there's there's evidence that there were two Lee Harvey
1131
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:54.199
Oswald's even in the Marines. Now, if you're talking now,
1132
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.519
who's pulling one over on the Marines? Nobody? This is
1133
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:01.320
an intelligence operation. To me, it's clearly an intelligence operation.
1134
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:03.920
And then you have Lee Harvey Oswald eventually defect to
1135
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.840
the Soviet Union. Right now, imagine this, They the original
1136
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.440
child who they plucked from the Soviet Union or whom wherever,
1137
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.360
who spoke the fluent Russian they now send back to
1138
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:18.119
the Soviet Union as a spy. Right now. My theory
1139
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.319
is that in a perfect world he would have just
1140
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.640
disappeared into the Soviet Union somewhere, right and then the
1141
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:28.319
Russians would have been like, where's Lee Harvey Oswald? And
1142
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:30.920
then here in America they're like, what are you talking about?
1143
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:34.319
We got Lee Harvey Oswald right here in America, while
1144
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:38.159
the spy is out invisible because he's using a duplicate
1145
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:39.760
identity in the Soviet Union.
1146
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:40.000
Right.
1147
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:42.399
So that's my theory on what the plan was supposed
1148
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:45.840
to be, but it didn't go that way.
1149
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:47.479
I want to ask you not to go off on
1150
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.439
too much of a tangent here, but have you found
1151
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:55.520
that it's been harder to find documentation and actually do
1152
01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.119
hard research into some of these topics surrounding the jfk
1153
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:02.560
assassination and especially in the post COVID era.
1154
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:10.920
Yes, yes, yes, for sure. So archive dot org, which
1155
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:13.680
is what I used for most of my research for years,
1156
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.279
is compromised. I don't know how else to put it.
1157
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.520
When I first started, when I first started going there
1158
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.880
five years ago or more, because I used it casually
1159
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:27.159
before I started my hardcore research, it was easy. I
1160
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.119
would put in a name of a subject like a
1161
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:31.920
Na Kerrie Thornley or whatever, Jim Garrison. I'd put it
1162
01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:35.439
in there, and I would get a very good Google
1163
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:38.960
algorithm based search of their site that would have all
1164
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:40.640
the documents and all the stuff that it would come
1165
01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:43.439
up perfectly. Now it's virtually impossible to find stuff even
1166
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.000
if I know where it is. I have to save
1167
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.520
specific links of specific documents because if you try to
1168
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:51.479
find them within their own search function, you can't. You
1169
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.640
get drowned with nonsense. I've also found at newspapers dot com,
1170
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.680
particularly when all the COVID stuff started, if you were
1171
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.199
to search for COVID stuff, if you were to search
1172
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.439
for like coronavirus stuff that was going back to the seventies,
1173
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:09.760
right for the newspaper articles, what you would be. What
1174
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.000
we would find is that you were drowned in clippings,
1175
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.239
because you can go into newspapers dot com and cut clippings,
1176
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.119
and then all those clippings become publicly available if you
1177
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:21.880
allow them to be public available, and they would be
1178
01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:26.000
incorporated into search results. I found in the coronavirus stuff,
1179
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.600
I would find hundreds of pages of clippings before it
1180
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:31.800
ever even got to any of the original articles. So
1181
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:37.119
there was an obvious intent to take the available search
1182
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.239
engines out there that's you know, that are good for
1183
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:42.680
one specific thing, and make them harder to use. Archive
1184
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.359
dot Org is virtually impossible to use now, so I
1185
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:47.880
just ended. What I ended up doing is I just
1186
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:52.119
pulled the original batch documents from Garrison in Wisberg, and
1187
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:54.800
I just pulled the original documents and keep them myself
1188
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:59.079
and retitlement all that. But because trying to find them
1189
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.880
is virtually it's become a needle in a haystacktor making
1190
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:03.920
it harder intentionally to find this stuff.
1191
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:07.479
I've spoken with a few guests over the past few
1192
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:11.640
months that have similar theories about what's happening with these
1193
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:16.319
search engines and the combination of this AI chat GPT
1194
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:21.640
type technology, where it's just it's possibly being integrated with
1195
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:25.880
the search engines to only bring up the information that
1196
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:30.479
is approved by our authorities and government, and any other
1197
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:34.520
type of research that goes against the agendas, that goes
1198
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.920
against any type of narrative, that it won't show up
1199
01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:39.800
in the search engine.
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01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:45.560
So I tell everybody when it comes to research, like
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I only read certain particular books, like I try to
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01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.159
get the vast majority of my information direct from documents,
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01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:54.880
like forget about people's opinions, just go right to the
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01:11:54.920 --> 01:12:00.479
original root documents, and sorting through these documents has most
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01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:09.760
certainly become a lot harder. I will say that all
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01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:13.680
of the information that people need to come to conclusions,
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01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.319
especially in historical documents, like the ones that I deal with.
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01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.960
The answers are all there, it's just a matter of
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01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:21.720
being able to interpret it. Right. These documents are like
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01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.600
a three D puzzle, you know, and you can have
1211
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:28.079
pieces in place and you can have big gaps. But
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01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.119
based on the positioning of certain pieces of the puzzle,
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01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.199
you can be like, oh, now that I understand this
1214
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:38.079
relationship here, I can see what should fit over in
1215
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.800
this piece over here that's missing. Right, And so that
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01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:45.119
the best way to really come to understand anything historically,
1217
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.439
because all these things, all this stuff can be found
1218
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.960
in genealogies. When you go through genealogies, you'll find relationships
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01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.920
between players in Kennedy that like you never thought would
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01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:56.680
be there, and that opens up whole new perspectives. Right,
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01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:00.479
So what I tell everybody is like the best the
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01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.840
best sources of information for any kind of research are
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01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:09.800
in the genealogy websites like like ancestry and all that stuff,
1224
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:16.640
and wasarchive dot org and newspapers dot com. Newspapers dot
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01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.880
com is probably still the best because this is another
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01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.239
thing like a lot of people today they don't know
1227
01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.239
what to censor from fifty years ago, right, Like there
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01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:28.960
are certain big things that I can tell you. So
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01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.800
everyone freaks out over the Kennedy documents that are still withholding,
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01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:34.560
let me tell you this, The Kennedy documents they're withholding
1231
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:37.399
are not a smoking gun for anything. They could give
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01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:39.279
you all of them, and most people would read them
1233
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:41.359
and not have a goddamn clue what they are really
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01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:43.880
telling them. But I'll tell you what they're really telling them.
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01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.399
They're really telling them the story of a relationship between
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01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.920
Jack Valenti, David Morales, Charles the Blade Tourine, and a
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01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:54.880
guy named Harry Haller or Harry Hall. Those four personnel
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01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:58.720
records are the are the closest thing to smoking guns
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01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.920
that they're gonna find. I've looked at the list of
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01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.279
things that are withholding. All four of those things directly
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01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:08.279
connect to Jack Valenti's activities that were somewhat illicit. So
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01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.640
this guy, Harry Hall, who was a somewhat mob guy,
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01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:16.920
somewhat CIA guy. He was friends with Joe DiMaggio, and
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01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:21.920
there's an interesting story about him that he had told
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01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.039
one of his mob buddies that he was going to
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01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.039
be on TV because he was going to be at
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01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:33.760
the funeral of Marilyn Monroe, right, and they're like, yeah,
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01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:35.840
you're full of shit, right, So, and sure enough, at
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01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:38.600
the funeral of Marilyn Monroe, Harry hall shows up there
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01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.600
as a guest of Joe DiMaggio. Now, who's Harry Hall.
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01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:45.520
Harry hall is a fucking guy who was in tight
1252
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.640
with all these Chicago guys. But he was such a lying,
1253
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:53.359
scumbag grifter that what he did was he somehow he
1254
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:59.399
got some letterhead from the White House with Jack Valente's
1255
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.479
information on it, right, Jack Valente's printed letterhead from the
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01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:06.199
White House, and he used it to try to set
1257
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:12.199
up a deal to buy some weapons and jeeps, some
1258
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.279
sort of military surplus that he was trying to pull
1259
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.720
some kind of scam and then like sell to Cuba
1260
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:21.840
or something like that. Right, And so that led directly
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01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:26.760
to Jack Valente's aliases, right, one of the aliases Jack
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01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:30.199
Valenti used, I forget the last name, but was Pierre something, right,
1263
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:33.039
And so then I find that Jack Valenti's letterhead is
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01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.760
connected to Harry Haller and Harry Haller was having this
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01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.199
deal with Pierre somebody, And I'm like, holy shit, Jack
1266
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:41.239
Valenti and Harry Hall were involved in some kind of
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01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.680
scam while Jack Valenti was in the White House, unfucking believable. Right,
1268
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.760
So all of the Harry Hall stuff is still withho
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01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.520
withheld in the Kennedy files. I wonder fucking why, because
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01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:56.119
it will show the relationship with Jack Valenti and that
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01:15:56.199 --> 01:15:58.640
whole incident, right, And so that'll out Jack Valenti is
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01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.479
not having been this saint that they made out to be.
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01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:06.960
Then you have the David Morales files. David Morales probably
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01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.720
the most hardcore, I mean, total shitbag human being, but
1275
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.800
probably the most devastating. Like, like when you think hardcore
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01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:17.359
cia willing to do anything, kill anyone, kind of guy,
1277
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:19.520
that was him. He was the epitome of the on
1278
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:23.800
the ground, you know, mercenary thug. And he was on
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01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:26.119
the secret Service car with Jack Valenti when Jack Valenti
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01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.479
fled from Daly Plaza after shooting Kennedy from the grassy ole. Right.
1281
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:32.840
So the David Morales files, which I pray to God,
1282
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.279
there's at least like one hundred thousand pages of files
1283
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:38.760
on him, I fucking would I hope there's that much
1284
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:40.520
because I would love to get my hands on that.
1285
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:44.239
But that, again will show the relationship with Jack Valenti.
1286
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.920
Same thing with Charles the Blade Touring. He was a
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01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.359
hit man for the mob and I have found his
1288
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:54.960
name associated with some of Jack Valenti's aliases. But that's
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01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:56.800
all the information I have on him. But then when
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01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:58.920
you look at the JFK files, a bunch of stuff
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01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:02.039
on Charles the Blade Toring is still withheld, you know.
1292
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:04.000
So to me, all this stuff just connects back to
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01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:07.119
Jack Valenti. They did release some of the Charles the
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01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.640
Blade Touring files just recently this year. It is a
1295
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:11.840
two or three that they dropped, but none of those
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01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.000
had any real significance, nor did they connect to Jack
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01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:16.560
valente But the stuff that's being withheld, Like I said,
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01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:20.000
the study of the assassination is the study of relationships.
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01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.359
It is not the study of how many bullets there
1300
01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:25.760
were in Daily Plaza. You know, it's irrelevant the stuff
1301
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:28.479
that happened in Daily Plaza. Yes, there's a lot of
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01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.319
evidence here, information there, but you can really come to
1303
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.479
figure out everything that happened there when you understand the
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01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:38.760
major players, their relationships with each other, who was, what, where, when, why?
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01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.199
All that stuff and the events of Daily Plaza will
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01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:43.600
fall into place. All you got to know is who
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01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:46.000
knew who, And that's the most important stuff, and that's
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01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:47.079
what these files will show.
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01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:49.439
Valente is so interesting.
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01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:51.640
I can't wait till we actually get to do a
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01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:55.359
full show on this guy. This is such an interesting cat.
1312
01:17:55.399 --> 01:18:00.760
And he seems to have his hands all over this
1313
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:01.279
this event.
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01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.319
He's got his hands all over so much, it's unreal
1315
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:09.520
he was involved. So here's the weird thing. Like, he's
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01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:11.359
only in the White So he shoots Kennedy on the
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01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.680
grassy Hole. He ends up leaving in Air Force one
1318
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:16.960
with Lyndon Johnson on the plane. He's in the photograph,
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01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.239
the famous photograph on Air Force one, and he goes
1320
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.760
on to stay in the White House, where, in my opinion,
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01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:28.039
he was Johnson's boss. It was not the other way around.
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01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:33.039
He was most certainly the highest connected guy to all
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01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:36.359
the you know, quote unquote Illuminati types of the day,
1324
01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:39.640
you know, all the Israeli stuff, all the Hollywood people,
1325
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:44.239
every freaking senator and congress person. Before he even made
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01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:47.000
it to the White House, he was so plugged in
1327
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:52.279
it was unbelievable. And when you're really come to understand
1328
01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.760
who Valenti is, like, I feel that everything that everyone
1329
01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.840
knows about Valenti is like his wearing a social mask,
1330
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.479
like the Valenti we see on TV as a construct.
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01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:03.720
When you go into his file, he dated a girl
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01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:05.840
who he ended up. They didn't get along or they
1333
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:08.840
didn't stay together for very long because they were of
1334
01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:11.119
different religions, which I'm still trying to figure out, you know,
1335
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:14.479
because I'm pretty confident Jack Valenti was Jewish. Joe Valenti,
1336
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.079
there's a indication that his family was Jewish, right, So
1337
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:20.039
I'm pretty sure Jack Valenti was Jewish, but never ever
1338
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:24.479
said that he's connected to everything. Posts Once he leaves
1339
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:26.520
the White House in sixty six and takes over Hollywood
1340
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.199
is the head of the MPAA. He then stays in
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01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:31.680
d C and runs Hollywood from d C. He never
1342
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.439
moved to Hollywood. He lived in DC and he ran
1343
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:37.720
the Motion Picture Association from DC if that tells you anything, right, Plus,
1344
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.439
we have the documents showing that he was transferred to
1345
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.520
White House payroll from another agency pre existing, meaning he
1346
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:46.560
was CIA. Right. So, but after he gets out of
1347
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:48.840
the White House, he had two points of contact in government.
1348
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:51.239
One was Richard Helms, who was the head of the
1349
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:55.159
CIA until he left to become the ambassador to Iran,
1350
01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:58.239
and Henry Kissinger, who's starting in sixty six, was in
1351
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:01.960
the White House. So yeah, yeah, the biggest people in
1352
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:05.880
the world handled Valenti after he left to go to Hollywood.
1353
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:09.960
It's crazy now getting back to any new revelation. Since
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01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.840
we last spoke, you had started off by telling me
1355
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:15.920
telling us a little bit about Oswald. What else have
1356
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:17.600
we not gotten into yet?
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01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:20.079
Yeah, well, we talked a little bit about Kerry Thornley,
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01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:21.880
and the thing I want to talk about with Carrie
1359
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:25.079
Thornley is that Carrie Thornley looked a lot like Oswald.
1360
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:26.520
He knew Oswald's from the time he was in the
1361
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.960
Marines and he was recruited. It must have been recruited
1362
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:32.680
into intelligence about the same time at Oswald, because I
1363
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.920
can trace him back to at Zugi, Japan when Oswald
1364
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:38.800
was there at the same time using an alias. Right,
1365
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.279
So I have Carrie Thornley in early nineteen sixty and
1366
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:43.760
at Zugi, Japan, where Oswald had been but then had
1367
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.600
just left to go back to the States, and he
1368
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.479
was there gathering information on Oswald, and he used the
1369
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.600
name of Rick Thornley. So to me it was obvious
1370
01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:55.600
by nineteen sixty he was A already recruited into intelligence
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01:20:55.600 --> 01:21:02.319
and b already assigned to Oswald some kind of friend
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01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.359
slash handler. And that continued. So I've really come to
1373
01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:08.560
understand that a lot of the information that we have,
1374
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:12.800
like there were various aliases used throughout the setup of
1375
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:17.199
the assassination. Right, so we all know that Oswald allegedly
1376
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:22.079
used the alias of Alec Hidell. Okay, so Alec Hidell,
1377
01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.760
there is no Alec Hidell. But the name Hidell was
1378
01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:30.439
actually the nickname of another marine that he knew named
1379
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.239
whose real name was Heindel H G I N d
1380
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:36.439
E L. But everyone called them called them Hidell just
1381
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:38.159
because they were you know, it was mistaken or they
1382
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:39.640
were lazy. But he just kind of got used to
1383
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.880
it as a nickname. Another incident in New Orleans, where
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01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:46.159
Carrie Thornley gives an alias attempting to set up Oswald.
1385
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:51.439
He gives an alias of Osborne Leon Osbourne. Well guess what,
1386
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:56.039
Oswald had another marine in his unit named Osborne. Right,
1387
01:21:56.279 --> 01:21:58.720
So I started to find that the aliases that were
1388
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.800
allegedly used by Ozone were also the names of men
1389
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:06.479
in his units in the Marines, and Oswald was getting
1390
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:08.720
set up. He didn't use it. But who else would
1391
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:12.600
know this? Only Carrie Thornley, Because Carrie Thornley was there
1392
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:17.640
shadowing Oswald, getting information on his alleged activities starting in
1393
01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:21.560
sixty in Atsugi and I promise continuing throughout the rest
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01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:24.359
of their career in the Marines. Once Oswald goes off
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01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:26.399
to the Soviet Union, Kerry Thornley goes back to New
1396
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:28.720
Orleans where he ends up, you know, associating with David
1397
01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:31.439
Ferry and Guy Banister and Clay Shaw and all the
1398
01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.439
guys at five forty four Camp Street where Oswald is
1399
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:38.279
alleged to have associated. But I'm telling you a certainty,
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01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:41.600
Oswald didn't associate with these people. He was being handled
1401
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.960
by Clay Shaw and Carrie Thornley. But all of the
1402
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.960
incidents where Oswald is associated with David Ferry and five
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01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.119
forty four Camp Street, that is one hundred percent carry Thornley.
1404
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:53.000
So I came to understand that Kerry Thornley played a
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01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:55.840
much bigger role in the assassination than anybody has ever realized.
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01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:58.399
He was directly involved in the setup of Oswald. He
1407
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:00.159
was the one who came up with the aliases or
1408
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:04.199
assigned to Oswald and names that were used in part
1409
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:07.039
of the lead up to the assassination because it wasn't Oswald,
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01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:08.600
and the only other person who would know the names
1411
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:12.000
of the people in the marine unit was Carrie Thornley
1412
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.479
because he was there, So it became very obvious to
1413
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.720
me Carry Thornley played much bigger part in the setup,
1414
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:21.640
and then once I realized his connection to Marina Oswald,
1415
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.399
that he had a relationship with Marina Oswald in New
1416
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.880
Orleans and had a relationship with Marina Oswald in Dallas
1417
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:29.920
where they were setting Oswald up, like shooting at bales
1418
01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:31.840
of hay off the highway and stuff like that, where
1419
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.560
Oswald was seen driving a car, yet Oswald never drove
1420
01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:40.640
like Once I made the connection that Marina was married
1421
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.720
to Lee Harvey Oswald, but also was a scene associating
1422
01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.399
with Carry Thornley, that filled in a dozen blanks for me,
1423
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.479
and then I realized, oh my god, Carrie Thornley was
1424
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:53.640
the major force behind the setup of Oswald as this
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01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:58.159
violent communist dissident. So of course there are several incidents
1426
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:01.319
where William Seymour was impersonating him at the rifle range
1427
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.960
and a couple other places, and particularly at the schoolook Depository,
1428
01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:07.840
you have these two men impersonating Oswald.
1429
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:08.119
Right.
1430
01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:13.479
So yeah, So in the researching this krie Thornley chapter,
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01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.359
I'm going over some David Ferry stuff and this is
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01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:17.560
one of the biggest revelations. And I don't know the
1433
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:20.159
significance of it at all. I don't know if it
1434
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:22.279
has anything to do with the assassination at all, But
1435
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:25.479
no one has ever pointed this out. I have discovered
1436
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:30.680
that David Ferry was actually married and had a child
1437
01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:36.039
in nineteen forty nine. He lived in Tampa. On his taxes,
1438
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:39.960
he had two dependents, and in Garrison's filed I found
1439
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:44.239
a handwritten note that says they located information that stated
1440
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:46.680
David Ferry had been married in nineteen forty nine and
1441
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:51.560
had two dependents. Then he's investigated for being a child
1442
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:55.079
molestor by Eastern Airlines in early nineteen sixties, like sixty
1443
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:59.159
one sixty two. They set up an investigator to spy
1444
01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:01.880
on his head to keep tabs of who's coming and
1445
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.840
going from David Ferry's place. This is Eastern Airlines, not
1446
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:06.960
the police. And so they take down a whole bunch
1447
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.159
of license plates one of the license plates they come
1448
01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:13.199
up with that went to David Ferri's house in nineteen
1449
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:17.840
sixty two came back to David W. Ferry Junior, and
1450
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:21.800
it was registered to an Alexandria, Louisiana address. When they
1451
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:24.720
dug into it, they found that David Ferry Junior, who
1452
01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:28.279
lived in Alexandria, was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps
1453
01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:35.000
in nineteen sixty three. David Ferry Junior has never ever
1454
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.640
been part of the Kennedy assassination story, and no one
1455
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.840
has ever discussed his existence until this moment here today
1456
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:46.600
on this show. So I don't even know where to
1457
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:57.000
begin to put together his role in any potential anything, right, So, yeah,
1458
01:25:57.039 --> 01:25:59.640
that was another mind blowing discovery for me. And I
1459
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.079
don't know the implications of that. Well, I know it
1460
01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.319
means David Ferry wasn't totally gay. He was just a
1461
01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:10.119
weird freak, you know. But yeah, So those are some
1462
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:12.439
of the more recent connections that I've made.
1463
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:15.159
Well, just the fact that there could be someone still
1464
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:20.199
alive with more information than most about what could have
1465
01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:23.119
possibly happened in that event, that's pretty reminds me.
1466
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:26.079
Yeah, you bring me to like the biggest discovery of all.
1467
01:26:26.319 --> 01:26:29.399
And I have to thank my boy Antonio, who works
1468
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:33.039
on my website and is in my Kennedy Chat, a
1469
01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:37.279
fantastic supporter of mine. He found out that William Seymour,
1470
01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:39.800
the man who impersonated Oswald at the gun Range and
1471
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.560
a number of places at Sylvia Odio's and ultimately at
1472
01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:44.880
the Book Depository where he worked there as the Harvey
1473
01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:48.079
Oswald because Oswald didn't work at the Book Depository. This
1474
01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.840
man is still alive and he's living in Phoenix, Arizona,
1475
01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:55.399
and I have his address and phone number. He started,
1476
01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:59.479
he started a surveying company. He's only he's eighty six
1477
01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:02.800
and so so he has children and grandchildren, and I'm
1478
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.119
sure he's probably not working at this company that he
1479
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:07.680
had started. His kids are probably running it, or somebody's
1480
01:27:07.720 --> 01:27:10.560
running it. But I have the information on William Seymour.
1481
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:15.199
It's a Seymour well Drilling, Seymour Surveying and well Drilling
1482
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.760
or something like that in Houston. And uh yeah, that's
1483
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:20.920
that is shocking to me. And I don't even know
1484
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:23.159
how to go about doing anything with it, because that's
1485
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:25.880
a guy who was involved directly with the setup and
1486
01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:28.479
he's eighty six years old, he might be ready to talk.
1487
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:31.039
Well, yeah, I was gonna say, he's eighty six. If
1488
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:33.760
you're gonna do anything, you might want to do something soon.
1489
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.159
He's got some limited time there.
1490
01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:38.520
Yeah, So I don't even know what to do with that.
1491
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:42.840
I've had contacts with other investigators who are interested in
1492
01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:44.560
this stuff, who like this kind of thing, who like
1493
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:46.880
to go out and contact people, and so I think
1494
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:50.880
I'm gonna hand it off to one of them. But yeah,
1495
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:53.720
it's fascinating that guy. You could sit down with him,
1496
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:55.319
because I have a picture of him in Deely Plaza
1497
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:57.279
where he's wearing the light brown jacket that he was
1498
01:27:57.319 --> 01:27:59.920
stopped inside the books story wearing by Baker and True,
1499
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.800
who allegedly stopped Oswald in the building. But they didn't
1500
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:05.119
stop Oswald in the building. The whole Oswald drinking a
1501
01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:07.640
coke on the second floor story as a joke. It's
1502
01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:10.520
a total myth. Never happened. The incident with Baker and
1503
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.159
Truly stopping Oswald happened between the third and fourth floor
1504
01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:15.199
and the stairwell, And it was not Oswald. It was
1505
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.279
William Seymour and he was wearing a light brown jacket
1506
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:19.359
and a light blue shirt, and I have a photograph
1507
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:22.199
of him in Daily Plaza moments before before he re
1508
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:24.079
entered the book depository and went back up to the
1509
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:25.760
sixth floor and then was stopped on the way down.
1510
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.000
So I have photographic proof I could present to him
1511
01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:34.199
and be like, that's you in Daly Plaza. What happened?
1512
01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.199
And so it's weird because it's he's eighty six years old,
1513
01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:40.840
he's never talked this whole time. But he actually did
1514
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:43.880
show up once at a JFK convention, believe it or not.
1515
01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:46.039
And there's a photograph of him sitting at a booth
1516
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:50.279
at a JFK convention. Wow, So yeah, wild stuff the guy.
1517
01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:52.039
I mean, if come on, if you had a secret
1518
01:28:52.079 --> 01:28:53.479
like that, your whole life, the most important thing in
1519
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:57.039
world history, wouldn't you want to tell somebody at some point? Yeah,
1520
01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:58.279
wouldn't you want to spill the beans?
1521
01:28:58.640 --> 01:28:58.840
Yeah?
1522
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.159
I mean, well, it's not like we're gonna hear it
1523
01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:02.039
from anyone else.
1524
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:06.720
All the prior major JFK researchers seem to have just
1525
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:12.239
been going off of the previous formula that whatever detective
1526
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.079
or researcher left for them to follow. But they didn't
1527
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:18.920
dig any deeper, and we've got a more clear picture
1528
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:21.000
with your research than ever before.
1529
01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:26.279
Really, yes, And I figured out why. I figured out
1530
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:31.000
that most Kennedy researchers they take things for granted, Like
1531
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:35.439
every Kennedy researcher in the world has taken for granted
1532
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:38.920
that Lee Harvey Oswald worked at the Book Depository. They
1533
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.000
just assume that's such a fundamental fact of the case
1534
01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:47.279
it has to be true. They haven't even questioned that fact. Yeah,
1535
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:49.960
I questioned it. You know why, because when I went
1536
01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:51.279
through the statements of the people who worked in the
1537
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:54.159
book Depository, I found out that some of the more
1538
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.399
up prevalent people in there, like Ovi Campbell that ran
1539
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:02.199
the book Depository, he had never seen Oswald until Oswald
1540
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.960
showed up on television. And Oswald had allegedly been there
1541
01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:08.159
for about six weeks, working there for six weeks. So
1542
01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:10.079
there were at least seven or eight people who had
1543
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.439
been working in that building who had never ever seen
1544
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:17.039
Lee Harvey Oswald ever, right, And nobody saw him there
1545
01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:19.800
that day except for a handful of people who were
1546
01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:22.359
on the fifth and sixth floor, you know, before and
1547
01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:27.960
during the assassination. Guys like Charles Gibbons, and Billy Lovelady
1548
01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.239
and guys who were obviously in on the cover up
1549
01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:32.359
on some low level. They are the only people who
1550
01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:35.560
ever identified Oswald as having been there. And then when
1551
01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:38.239
I found that I found a picture of William Seymour
1552
01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:40.479
out back of the text school depository, it just made
1553
01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.520
perfect sense that yes, Oswald was being impersonated all over
1554
01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:46.760
the place going back to the age of twelve, and
1555
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:49.359
this was no different. Everyone took for granted he worked there.
1556
01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.680
He didn't work there, no evidence he worked there. You
1557
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:53.760
have a job application and witnesses who said that he
1558
01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:55.960
worked there. But if I introduced you to somebody who
1559
01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:58.079
looked just like Oswald, told you his name was Lee
1560
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:01.039
Harvey Oswald, and then later you see somebody else arrested
1561
01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:03.600
and put on television, what are you gonna think? What
1562
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:05.960
are you gonna do? Imagine if all of a sudden
1563
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.399
you realize you worked for a CIA front, are you
1564
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.800
gonna tell anybody? No, You're gonna be scared out of
1565
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.560
your mind and you're gonna go work somewhere else. That's
1566
01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:15.960
what you're gonna do, right, So, yeah, it was a
1567
01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:18.640
very well kept secret. The entire assassination story is a
1568
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:22.880
series of well planned, scripted events much like a theatrical production,
1569
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:25.760
but not inserted into a movie, played out is real
1570
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:28.720
life and reported on the news. That was the Kennedy
1571
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:32.279
assassination in a nutshell, a completely scripted, fabricated event from
1572
01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:35.119
start to finish that took years to assemble and involved
1573
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:39.439
basically hundreds of what we would now today call crisis actors.
1574
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:44.840
Right now, a lot of the individuals and events surrounding
1575
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:49.600
the assassination actually took place in Louisiana and New Orleans.
1576
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:54.199
There were ties to the major mob boss at the time,
1577
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:57.680
Carlos Marcela. What are some of the major events that
1578
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.640
really stick out for you that maybe we could go
1579
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:01.319
over today.
1580
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:02.079
Yeah.
1581
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:04.279
Sure. So, like you have to understand that New Orleans
1582
01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:07.760
was a major, major mob town because of the port.
1583
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:10.960
That's why it was so important, not necessarily because New
1584
01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.840
Orleans was great or anything like that. It had the port,
1585
01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:16.079
and because it had the port, it had smuggling. And
1586
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:19.560
because it had smuggling, it had you know, all of
1587
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:24.439
the security agencies there, customs, it had naval intelligence, it
1588
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:28.640
had FBI, CIA, you know, you name it, Army intelligence,
1589
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.199
you name it. It had intelligence operations going on there
1590
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:37.680
to either a prevent or either a prevent or b
1591
01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:41.119
take part in these smuggling operations. Right, So that's what
1592
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.119
you'll always find heavy concentrations of mafia and intelligence in
1593
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.560
locations where there were ports, New York, the docks in
1594
01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:55.199
New York, New Jersey, Cleveland. You know. Yeah, the ports
1595
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.239
are essential for smuggling, hence the need for intelligence and
1596
01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:01.680
mafia infrastructure. And so, like, the original mob boss was
1597
01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:05.720
silver Dollar Sam Corolla, and he was big into the
1598
01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:07.720
slot machines and stuff. Right, he came up with ways
1599
01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:10.159
to get around the slot machines. But uh, you know,
1600
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.199
Bureau of Bureau of Narcotics and all that stuff, they
1601
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.960
were onto that guy, and so he ends up going
1602
01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:19.239
the way of the Dodo. Marcello comes to power. Marcello
1603
01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:21.399
was like he was one of the big three. The
1604
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:25.520
big three were Marcello, Giancanna and Traffic Coante. Those are
1605
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:28.880
the three biggest mob bosses in the country and the
1606
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:31.960
three of them basically worked directly for Mayor Lansky, who
1607
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:34.880
ran the mafia. Now, most people won't acknowledge Mayor Lansky
1608
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:36.399
as having ran the mafia. They'll say he was the
1609
01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.319
mob's accountant. But when you understand that he made all
1610
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:40.760
the money for the mob. He set up all the
1611
01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:44.159
drug trafficking routes. He was the I mean, there was
1612
01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:48.600
nobody like him. He was light years beyond and Conna
1613
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:51.319
and Trafficante and these guys. I mean, he started murder
1614
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:56.720
inc in New York and he murdered salvatormarn Zano and
1615
01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:58.960
Joe Massarea, who are the top two mob bosses in
1616
01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:02.039
the country, who were sicili. Once he knocked them off
1617
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.600
in nineteen thirty one, he became de facto mob boss
1618
01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:08.800
of the whole country. Not necessarily because anyone answered directly
1619
01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:12.399
to him. But when you established the infrastructure of how
1620
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:16.079
the mafia works, and you set up the largest money
1621
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:20.439
generating operations that there were, you get all the power,
1622
01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:22.680
you know what I mean. So the Five Families might
1623
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:25.079
have sat on the throne in New York, but they
1624
01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.239
all bowed down to my Orlansky. That's how it was.
1625
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:30.920
A lot of the planning did take place in New
1626
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.560
Orleans amongst David Ferry and these these mobsters.
1627
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:37.560
Yeah, so originally I never believed that. I thought it
1628
01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:41.840
was too obvious, Like if Oliver Stone is talking about it,
1629
01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:45.039
saying it in his film that New Orleans was the key,
1630
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:49.399
and I'm thinking it's some global international conspiracy involving the Israelis.
1631
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:51.800
Then how does the two fit together? I never thought
1632
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:55.479
they did, but they do because of a company called Permandex,
1633
01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.399
which is a Masad front company that had, you know,
1634
01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:02.079
the board of directors was all a CIA, mafia, Massad,
1635
01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:04.439
you know, like you name it. It was a who's
1636
01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:07.279
who of scumbags. And that was to me the absolute
1637
01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:09.880
proof that all these organizations were working together. And one
1638
01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:11.800
of the guys on the board of directors of Permandex
1639
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.239
and CMC was Clay Shaw. And so that's where basically
1640
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.920
the orders came down from. It came down from the
1641
01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:21.159
you know, the head of the Israeli government to the
1642
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:25.840
Masad to Permandex, which is where the CIA becomes involved. Right,
1643
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:28.880
So the CIA is a secondary player in the assassination,
1644
01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:33.359
primary in its execution. However, they have great plausible deniability
1645
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:35.880
because one hundred percent of the shooters also worked for
1646
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:38.680
the MOB. So the CIA can always go, these guys
1647
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:40.359
work for the Mob, We don't know what you're talking about,
1648
01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:42.800
when it's documented all of them worked for the CIA
1649
01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:43.199
as well.
1650
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:43.680
Right, So.
1651
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:48.640
Yeah, there was an intricate relationship between the CIA, the mafia,
1652
01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:51.399
and the FBI that I never understood now makes perfect
1653
01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:55.960
sense because the CIA, but the FBI's job in America
1654
01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:58.359
is to cover for the CIA. That's it. That is
1655
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.439
their number one priority above all else, cover for the CIA.
1656
01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.239
The CIA does stuff and the FBI has to go in,
1657
01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:06.840
investigate and cover it up. That's what they fucking do.
1658
01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:09.479
That's plain and simple what they do. So and it's
1659
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.079
obvious when you go in and you read the Kennedy
1660
01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:13.319
stuff about how they the FBI lied in documents.
1661
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:16.680
Well, dude, look at the stuff happening now with especially
1662
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.920
January sixth a perfect example, but some of the other
1663
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:25.000
psychological operations and falls flags, it's exactly happening like that.
1664
01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.560
The FBI will come in and try and clean up
1665
01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:31.239
the mess that the CIA made, and it becomes even
1666
01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:35.239
more ridiculous because they end up outing themselves and they
1667
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:36.920
don't know the right hand doesn't know what the left
1668
01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:40.119
hand doing. So FBI agents are arresting FBI agents and
1669
01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:41.239
it's complete chaos.
1670
01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:45.800
Yeah, yeah, it's a shit show the FBI. You can't
1671
01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:49.079
have a law enforcement organization that's dedicated to enforcing laws
1672
01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:52.600
and then covering up for those who break them. I mean,
1673
01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:55.039
you can't have those two things working together because, like
1674
01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.920
I promise you, like when you listen to some of
1675
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:59.800
the FBI guys who were working on like the hunter
1676
01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:01.600
by in case who are trying to get Hunter Biden,
1677
01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.439
they were they came in and told them, yeah, stop
1678
01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:06.520
working on this case and you go work on something else, right, So,
1679
01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:11.000
like they were, the leadership takes good, good, honest you know,
1680
01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:14.720
law enforcement officers who want to do a good job,
1681
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.000
and then you have the administration comes in and says, no,
1682
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:19.880
go do this, and this sidetracks them and doesn't allow
1683
01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:22.439
them to do the job right. So that's what we're
1684
01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:24.520
getting with all these current whistleblowers, right with all the
1685
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:26.520
modern day whistleblowers in the FBI, they're like, heyes, I
1686
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:27.960
want to do my job, and they wouldn't let me
1687
01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:30.119
do it right. Same thing with the irs. And this
1688
01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:32.279
goes back to the weaponization of government. But like the
1689
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:34.239
fucking Republicans today are talking about it like it's some
1690
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:36.760
new thing. Shit, you shitn't me, what the fuck do
1691
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:40.279
you call the Warrant Commission. That's how the weaponization to government.
1692
01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.600
Something else that has become a very apparent is that
1693
01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:48.840
the Five Eyes are indeed just one faction operating through
1694
01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:53.479
different jurisdictions. One will be able to perform actions that
1695
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.039
the other one won't be able to do in certain countries.
1696
01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:59.600
But they all answer to the same entities.
1697
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:04.479
Right yeah, they sure do. And but then you have
1698
01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:07.000
to think the intelligence agencies don't work for us, and
1699
01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:10.199
I don't believe the military works for us either, right
1700
01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:14.039
at all? They work for foreign corporate interests.
1701
01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:18.680
So right on, now, let's get to some of the
1702
01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:21.159
other Is there any more revelations that we need to
1703
01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:23.800
cover that from your since the last time we spoke.
1704
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:26.119
You know, I do have a bunch in regards to
1705
01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:27.880
how the shooting on the Noah went down and how
1706
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.640
the stuff as I the book depository went down, But
1707
01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:34.159
those I'm saving for the book. And speaking of the book,
1708
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:35.960
let me talk about the book and his release date
1709
01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:38.600
and all this stuff. So I'm about halfway done with
1710
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:41.680
this chapter on Kerry Thornley. Kerry Thornley, who I've said
1711
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.079
impersonated Oswald all over the place. He was a handler
1712
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.319
of Oswald. He definitely set up a lot of the
1713
01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:50.600
alias stuff involving Oswald, like heidel and Osbourne. He was
1714
01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:53.920
definitely the person seen at the party plotting to you know,
1715
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.079
assassinate the president that Perry Russo saw him at that
1716
01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:59.520
was talked about in the JFK movie. I'm halfway through
1717
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.680
with this chapter and it's moving along. This chapter will
1718
01:39:02.680 --> 01:39:08.359
be done, i'd say, at the latest this time next week,
1719
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.000
and then the only chapter I have left is the
1720
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:14.119
chapter on Jack valente And where I'm kind of conflicted
1721
01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:17.239
with the Jack Valenti chapter is because Jack Valenti deserves
1722
01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:20.439
a book unto himself, and unfortunately I don't have enough
1723
01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:23.239
information to write that book. But I have far more
1724
01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:25.520
information on Jack Valenti that I could explain in a
1725
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:28.079
single chapter. So I have this kind of problem that
1726
01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:30.920
I have to summarize this chapter show Jack Valentti's involvement,
1727
01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:34.399
how he was the shooter on the Grassy Knoll, and
1728
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:36.159
I have to do it, you know, in about ten
1729
01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:39.479
thousand words, whereas I really need about fifty thousand words
1730
01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:41.520
to do it, and I can't do that in his book.
1731
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:43.760
So I'm same thing with Kerry Thornley. I need about
1732
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.159
fifty thousand words just to write all the stuff on Thornley,
1733
01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:48.720
and I need to make it about ten thousand words, right,
1734
01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:51.000
so I'm sitting at about I need about fifteen thousand
1735
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:53.439
words and then'le to finish this book, but I'll have
1736
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:56.359
to edit down the information to enough to digestible people
1737
01:39:56.399 --> 01:39:58.199
and understand it. Make the point I need to make
1738
01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:03.119
without giving away everything, because it really deserves a book
1739
01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:06.000
onto itself. Right, So, right off the bat, as soon
1740
01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:10.479
as I'm done, I already have six seven chapters in
1741
01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.039
my head that I know will go into the next book.
1742
01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:18.479
You know, it seems like it's it's getting very hard
1743
01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:23.960
to perfect and even carry out some of the psychological cooperations.
1744
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:26.640
The same things that we would have seen during that
1745
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:32.199
Kennedy era are being outed now because of technology, because
1746
01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:34.760
of the ease of access. The Internet was a big factor.
1747
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:36.960
But now they're trying to reel back on it because
1748
01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:41.760
they realize that they're fucking up. Basically, that there's more
1749
01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:44.399
people that are realizing the game than ever and they
1750
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:47.239
can't carry out these operations that they like they used to.
1751
01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:49.479
It seems you are.
1752
01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:56.840
One correct, and the next step is outright censorship and
1753
01:40:57.159 --> 01:41:02.439
turning information into a crime. I want to screen share
1754
01:41:02.479 --> 01:41:05.039
something with you real quick because I just discovered this.
1755
01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:07.720
This has been out for three years already, but I
1756
01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:14.479
heard this mentioned in a government symposium recently, and so this,
1757
01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:16.159
I feel, is going to be the next big thing,
1758
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:19.560
and this is going to be how let me see
1759
01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:21.680
where this is going to be, how they end up
1760
01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:29.479
achieving their ends? So can you see see what I'm sharing?
1761
01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:29.840
Yeah?
1762
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:32.760
All right, so I found this. This is an actual
1763
01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:36.760
paper written on what is called information disorder syndrome and
1764
01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:42.840
its management. Let me say that again, information disorder syndrome
1765
01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:48.000
and its management. I'll read some of this abstract.
1766
01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:49.520
Sounds like trus derangement syndrome or.
1767
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:52.239
Some correct correct, many of us may be unknowingly suffering
1768
01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.800
from information disorder syndrome. It is more prevalent due to
1769
01:41:55.880 --> 01:42:00.520
the digitized world, where the information flows to every individual's phone, tablet,
1770
01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:04.039
and computer in no time. Information disorder syndrome is the
1771
01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:07.119
sharing or developing of false information with or without the
1772
01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:11.079
intent of harming, as they are categorized as misinformation, disinformation,
1773
01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:15.359
and malinformation. The severity of the syndrome is categorized into
1774
01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:18.960
three grades. Grade one is a milder form which the
1775
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:22.199
individual shares false information without the intent of harming others.
1776
01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:25.039
Grade two is a moderate form in which the individual
1777
01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.680
develops and shares false information with the intent of making
1778
01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:30.199
money and political gain, but not with the intent of
1779
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:33.119
harming people, and Grade three is a severe form in
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01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:36.359
which the individual develops and shares false information with the
1781
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:40.800
intent of harming others. The management of this disorder requires
1782
01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:45.319
the management of false information, which is rumor surveillance, targeted messaging,
1783
01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:49.520
and community engagement repeated sufferers at the grade one level.
1784
01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:53.119
All sufferers from grade two to three need psychosocial counseling
1785
01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:57.079
and sometimes require strong regulations and enforcement to control such
1786
01:42:57.079 --> 01:43:00.640
information disorder. The most critical intervention is to be mindful
1787
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:02.520
of the fact that not all posts and social media
1788
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:04.680
are news, and news are real and need to be
1789
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:09.800
interpreted carefully. So the UH they're starting to turn us
1790
01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:12.560
pushing out factual information, they're turning that into a disorder
1791
01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:13.800
that they'll be able to lock us up for.
1792
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:17.600
Well, this is scary because this coincides with the laws
1793
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:21.680
that they're trying to pass regarding domestic terrorism and who
1794
01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:25.359
they can declare domestic terrorists. It I think this all
1795
01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:28.800
is going to go together as an attack on free
1796
01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:33.439
thinkers and on people who are questioning the narrative and
1797
01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:35.159
cause us and you.
1798
01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:37.079
Know what that's gonna lead to. That's gonna become a
1799
01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:39.840
self that's gonna become a self fulfilling prophecy, because at
1800
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:43.359
some point in time, people are gonna say, if I'm
1801
01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:45.920
gonna do the crime, I might as if I'm gonna
1802
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.520
do the time, I might as well do the crime.
1803
01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:51.439
That's the fucking attitude that people will will eventually lead to.
1804
01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:53.520
If people know that they're ultimately going to be thrown
1805
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.439
in jail for publishing their word their information, knowing that
1806
01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:00.840
they'll go to jail eventually, they're just gonna turn to
1807
01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:05.039
blowing things up because that's the crime they're going to
1808
01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:06.920
go to jail for, so they might as well do
1809
01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:10.439
the crime, right. So, yeah, it's ridiculous what they're doing.
1810
01:44:10.439 --> 01:44:13.119
It's nonsensical. All this stuff will be overturning courts if
1811
01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:15.520
it ever gets that far, But it doesn't matter because
1812
01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:18.880
it will influence the mind of the population on a
1813
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:24.640
large scale and it will become part of the the zeitgeist,
1814
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:25.239
so to speak.
1815
01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:28.840
You know, it seems like we're in a lull for
1816
01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:33.159
fear campaigns right now. We're in between the COVID jabs
1817
01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:35.960
and the next big thing. I thought for a while
1818
01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:39.119
we would see a fake UFO invasion, but I don't know.
1819
01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:41.399
It seems like they spent way too much time and
1820
01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:45.840
energy and money into these whole the whole jabs and
1821
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:49.560
boosters and COVID agenda to let that just fall apart.
1822
01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:53.319
Do you see a pandemic too in the in the future.
1823
01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:54.760
No, because nobody's gonna buy it.
1824
01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:56.720
Yeah, like that.
1825
01:44:56.880 --> 01:44:58.479
They're full They're like, you're full of shit, you know
1826
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:02.439
what I mean. See, I'm black pilled. I'm the worst
1827
01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:05.319
person to ask about where's our future going because if
1828
01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:07.960
you ask me, everyone needs to get guns because they're
1829
01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:09.640
crventually gonna come for you, and you need to shoot
1830
01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:12.600
whoever comes for you. That's my opinion on it. And
1831
01:45:12.880 --> 01:45:15.279
that's what's gonna kick off a revolution in this country.
1832
01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:17.279
The cops are going to go for somebody they shouldn't
1833
01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.520
go for. Someone's gonna fight back and kill the cops.
1834
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:21.720
There's gonna be a big standoff. It's going to hit
1835
01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:24.000
the news. That's going to be a big debate over
1836
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:26.439
the civil rights violations of the cops trying to be
1837
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:28.880
there in the first place, and a revolution will spark.
1838
01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:32.439
What do you think about RFK. I want to get
1839
01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:35.199
your thoughts on this, dude. There's people that have still
1840
01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:40.159
have the political savior complex, like some muppet in office
1841
01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:42.199
is going to make a difference about anything.
1842
01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:43.640
And that's just the way I feel about it.
1843
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:46.520
But what do you think I think he means well,
1844
01:45:46.680 --> 01:45:49.840
I think he's true in what he says. I think
1845
01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:52.079
it's historic that a Kennedy is running for president. People
1846
01:45:52.079 --> 01:45:56.039
don't understand, like people don't understand how historic it is,
1847
01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:59.399
how important it is for America, what it's saying about America,
1848
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:02.279
and the implication in regards to the Kennedy assassination, Like
1849
01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:05.039
when you understand who the Kennedys were and why Kennedy
1850
01:46:05.079 --> 01:46:07.720
was fucking killed in the first place, and then you
1851
01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:11.239
see that all Kennedy's were killed or warned because Ed Kennedy.
1852
01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:15.239
Edward Kennedy a chap equittic. And the running off the road, Yeah,
1853
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:17.600
he was run off the road. He wasn't drunk and
1854
01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:19.920
drove off the road. He was run off the road.
1855
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.119
It was a warning to him to not step out
1856
01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:23.199
of line like his brothers.
1857
01:46:23.279 --> 01:46:26.079
So that being said, do you think there's any way
1858
01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:29.039
this dude, would ever possibly be allowed to get into
1859
01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:31.199
that position. I don't see that ever happening.
1860
01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:37.159
Honestly, we're entering into uncharted territory. H I don't understand what.
1861
01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:37.760
I don't know.
1862
01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:39.840
I honestly, I don't know what's happening.
1863
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:43.640
Well, there is a lot of crumbling of systems because
1864
01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:47.279
of the mistakes that are being made at these elite levels.
1865
01:46:47.279 --> 01:46:49.720
I think they tried to roll everything out too fast,
1866
01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:53.439
and there's a lot of these agendas that are crumbling
1867
01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:56.800
right in front of their faces. And this is causing
1868
01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.000
people to question every other narratives that they put forward.
1869
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:02.920
So we are in a very interesting place right now.
1870
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:06.840
There's with the amount of people that have raised an
1871
01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:09.039
eyebrow at at some of the stuff that's going on
1872
01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:12.159
just alone, it puts us in an interesting place.
1873
01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:20.439
Yes, I'm oddly optimistic for the next election, but you know,
1874
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:22.479
I'm just one of these guys who just wants to
1875
01:47:22.479 --> 01:47:25.920
see it all burned. So, like I said, I'm the
1876
01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:28.279
worst guy to give actual, you know, helpful commentary.
1877
01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:30.680
I just think, you know, if they if they ever
1878
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:35.880
would allow someone that has good intentions towards us the
1879
01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:39.600
people in there, that it would end up immediately like JFK.
1880
01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:42.079
But I don't think they do. I thought I think
1881
01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:44.680
they thought they had control over Trump and maybe he
1882
01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:49.920
got cocky and tried to do something, but again he
1883
01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:50.720
was shut down.
1884
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:51.720
But I don't think this.
1885
01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:53.520
Is you know, real, If we were going to have anything,
1886
01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:55.359
any kind of success in this country, there would have
1887
01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:57.000
to be a coup, and it would have to involve
1888
01:47:57.039 --> 01:47:58.800
the military, and it would have to be like a
1889
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:04.159
a benevolent coup, right like, because number one, you'd have
1890
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:07.840
to shut down the CIA entirely, like entirely, even if
1891
01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:10.319
it was just a restructuring. Everybody needs to go. One
1892
01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:12.560
hundred percent of people, Like if you're hired at CIA,
1893
01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:14.760
you've got to go. And in order to do that,
1894
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.119
you'd need to have massive amounts of people to detain
1895
01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:19.800
people at the building as you're shutting them down, unless
1896
01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:21.560
you were to do it slow and subtly. But then
1897
01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:23.079
if you do it slow and subtly, they'll catch on
1898
01:48:23.079 --> 01:48:24.239
to what you're doing and they'll come up with a
1899
01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:26.199
plan to sabotage you. Right, So you have to do
1900
01:48:26.239 --> 01:48:28.239
it all at once. So doing it all at once
1901
01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:32.600
requires people being taken into custody, requires the military and
1902
01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:34.960
if the military knows what you're doing, the leadership of
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01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:36.640
the military is going to not be along with it,
1904
01:48:36.680 --> 01:48:38.479
so they're going to have to go too. So you're
1905
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.279
going to have to have a massive plan in place
1906
01:48:40.319 --> 01:48:43.760
that involves a military coup that will oust the current
1907
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:49.159
military leadership, CIA leadership, atf all the government three letter agencies.
1908
01:48:49.319 --> 01:48:51.760
You would have to have a simultaneous fucking arrest of
1909
01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:54.079
the leadership all at once, which means you'd have to
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01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.159
have people in the US Army who were doing this
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01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:57.880
at a high level, who were in with you to
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01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:02.079
begin with, which means they'd be conspiring against their leadership. Right. Yeah,
1913
01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:04.880
it is no way around it. I mean, there's no
1914
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:06.800
way around it. That's what would have to happen unless
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01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:09.840
you have an overt violent revolution where x Navy seals
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01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:13.640
storm the White House take control of the of everything. Right,
1917
01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:15.359
you'd have to have them take control all the law
1918
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:18.840
enforcement two. So you'd need a math. You'd need an army, basically,
1919
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:21.920
you know, an army. It's not possible, you know. The
1920
01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:23.840
best we can hope for is that we're defeated in
1921
01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:26.880
a war by Russia and that Russia allows us to
1922
01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:30.359
restructure in a way that is not horrible.
1923
01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:32.560
Oh man, that.
1924
01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:34.159
Is see, I don't see an alternative.
1925
01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:37.199
That's that's pretty bleak, man. But hey, I I like
1926
01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:39.079
to have some hope in it. But if we are
1927
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:41.600
gonna be invaded by Russians, it better be the hot
1928
01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:42.760
Russians and bikinis.
1929
01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:44.399
That's all. That's all I gotta say.
1930
01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:45.239
Man, my favorite kind.
1931
01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:47.560
All right, let's any.
1932
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In any other revelations we need to go over before
1933
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:50.880
we close out?
1934
01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:54.000
Uh No, But the revelation that everyone at home should
1935
01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:56.119
have is that my book has been available for pre
1936
01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:58.640
order for a while now, and that pre order is
1937
01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:01.680
going to be coming to an end, probably in the
1938
01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:03.880
next month or so, because I'm going to leave a
1939
01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:05.600
little bit of there's going to be a couple of
1940
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:07.640
week gap between the time the preorder is done and
1941
01:50:07.680 --> 01:50:09.920
the book is actually available for sale. So you probably
1942
01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:11.680
got about a month to do the pre order. For
1943
01:50:11.720 --> 01:50:14.079
twenty five bucks, you get four chapters, you get my
1944
01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:16.319
complete notes, and you get a pre order copy of
1945
01:50:16.359 --> 01:50:19.319
the e book when it's available, which I'll be just
1946
01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:22.720
mailing to everybody who pre orders it. Once that is
1947
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.680
over with and the book is available for sale, you'll
1948
01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:27.119
be able to get the book for you know, the
1949
01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:29.119
same price, twenty twenty five bucks. I haven't decided to
1950
01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:31.359
pricing on that yet, but in order to get my
1951
01:50:31.399 --> 01:50:33.680
notes or any of the other perks and stuff, it's
1952
01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:36.199
going to cost a significant amount of money. More so,
1953
01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:39.479
anybody interested in getting my notes. My notes are really
1954
01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:42.159
the thing. My notes are worth. They're priceless. It's got
1955
01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:44.000
everything in there. Stuff that's not even in this book,
1956
01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:45.960
tons of stuff is not even it's probably the notes
1957
01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:48.199
for the next two books. Also, you know, you get
1958
01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:50.680
that for twenty five bucks when you pre order. When
1959
01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:52.600
the book actually comes out, you'll be able to get that,
1960
01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:54.560
but it's going to be significantly more expensive.
1961
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:58.720
So right on, right on, Corey, thank you so much.
1962
01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:02.439
Let everyone know where they can find all your other stuff,
1963
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:04.680
like your website and all the shows you host.
1964
01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:07.039
Yeah, so go to coreyhues dot org. It's got everything.
1965
01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:09.439
But I've been I started about a month ago at Daily,
1966
01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:12.159
which I've actually done twenty five episodes in a month. Crazy.
1967
01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:16.279
It's about fifty hours, almost fifty out forty five hours
1968
01:51:16.319 --> 01:51:21.079
worth of minute detail on Kennedy. It's called core Hu's
1969
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:24.359
Bloody History. It's on podcast platforms and Rockfin and Rumble
1970
01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:27.359
and all that stuff. But it is the absolute best
1971
01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:32.159
Kennedy show that's ever been It's the most explicit, meaning
1972
01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:35.239
detailed show that's ever been out on Kennedy. And if
1973
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:37.680
you like my work on Kennedy, you got at least
1974
01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:40.680
forty to forty five hours of stuff waiting on that
1975
01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:43.359
new show. Corey hughes bloody history. So that's it, and
1976
01:51:43.399 --> 01:51:44.159
pre ordered the book.
1977
01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:46.560
And every Sunday you got the most dangerous show on
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01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:47.399
the interwebs.
1979
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:48.720
Day zero as well.
1980
01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:49.640
Day zero as well.
1981
01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:52.760
Yes, awesome zero. All right, Corey, thank you so much.
1982
01:51:52.760 --> 01:51:54.960
We'll do it again soon and until next time, everyone,
1983
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:56.159
have an excellent evening.
1984
01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:57.720
We'll talk again tomorrow.
1985
01:51:58.079 --> 01:51:58.640
See yo. Day.
1986
01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:31.680
Louisiana is a magical place.
1987
01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:33.039
And that was Cajun country.
1988
01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:37.199
You know. The food's good, the ladies is fine. There's
1989
01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:39.479
a run and roll like the old folks says say.
1990
01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:40.840
Love you so much.
1991
01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:43.560
Incredible occult and forgotten history.
1992
01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:46.720
There's a lot to the ancient history and era that
1993
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we could be uncovering. Everybody is starting to like really
1994
01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:51.359
equip pieces together.
1995
01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:55.720
I've been writing books and doing research in the field
1996
01:52:56.239 --> 01:53:01.520
of Native American mounds and archaeology since the nineteen eighties,
1997
01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:07.960
the LSU campus mounds were redated, which is absolutely bizarre.
1998
01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:12.039
This is all very, very strange, and it's just been
1999
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made more strange because all these old mounds are in Louisiana.
2000
01:53:17.239 --> 01:53:22.680
The Smithsonian dug into over two thousand mounds, finding seventeen
2001
01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:24.960
large skeletons.
2002
01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:30.880
They saw a very tall humanoid being.
2003
01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:35.199
We just have a rich history of paranormal type stuff.
2004
01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:38.760
New Orleans is considered to be the most hot in
2005
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city in the country.
2006
01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:44.279
Energy that's over the land, and that energy seems to
2007
01:53:44.359 --> 01:53:45.359
be stuck there.
2008
01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:49.680
In twenty nineteen, I had an experience. It was all black,
2009
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had long black hair on it, a tall creature that
2010
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had a dog's head. Legendary things fiction become reality.
2011
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I mean, it's fifteen. This dog man chased him through
2012
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the woods.
2013
01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:06.960
He only survived because of his dogs saving his life.
2014
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Y'all may kill me today, I said, but I've promised this.
2015
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I'm gonna kill at least two or three young I said,
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you will for the pain of this thirty all six.
2017
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It was so close that he could see down the
2018
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back of its throat.
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The vast swamps of Louisiana hold many secrets, from an
2020
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incredibly old, forgotten history to mythical creatures.
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There are no answers, There's only more questions.
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we could be uncovering. Everybody is starting to really quit
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pieces together.
2070
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I've been writing books and doing research in the field
2071
01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:14.239
of Native American mounds and archaeology since the nineteen eighties.
2072
01:58:14.720 --> 01:58:20.800
The LSU campus mounds were redated, which is absolutely bizarmed.
2073
01:58:21.199 --> 01:58:24.800
This is all very, very strange, and it's just been
2074
01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:29.600
made more strange because all these old mounds are in Louisiana.
2075
01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:35.439
The Smithsonian dug into over two thousand mounds, finding seventeen
2076
01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:37.760
large skeletons.
2077
01:58:38.600 --> 01:58:43.680
They saw a very tall humanoid being.
2078
01:58:44.479 --> 01:58:47.960
We just have a rich history of paranormal type stuff.
2079
01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:51.520
New Orleans is considered to be the most haught in
2080
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city in the country.
2081
01:58:52.680 --> 01:58:57.000
The energy that's over the land, and that energy seems
2082
01:58:57.039 --> 01:58:57.800
to be stuck there.
2083
01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:01.680
In twenty nineteen, a hive had an experience. It was
2084
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all black, had long black hair on it, a tall
2085
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creature that had a dog's head. Legendary things fiction become reality.
2086
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When he's fifteen. This dog man chased him through the woods.
2087
01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:19.960
He only survived because of his dog saving his life.
2088
01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:22.520
Y'all may kill me today, I said, but I promise
2089
01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:23.960
you this. I'm gonna kill at least two or three
2090
01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:25.680
young I said, you will, for the pain was thirty
2091
01:59:25.680 --> 01:59:26.079
on six.
2092
01:59:28.039 --> 01:59:29.920
It was so close that he could see down the
2093
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back of its throat.
2094
01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:35.720
The vast swamps of Louisiana hold many secrets, from an
2095
01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:39.600
incredibly old, forgotten history to mythical creatures.
2096
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There are no answers, there's only more questions.