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You were listening to the Figure Eights podcast. I'm your host,
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Nick Lead from the band High on Stress out of Minneapolis, Minnesota,
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and today's guest is a Madeline Bacaro. You may know
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her as the author of In Your Mind The Infinite
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Universe of Yoko Ono, and it's the first extensive exploration
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of Yoko's amazing light struggles, art, activism, films, music, and
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more so really cool book. You should definitely check that out.
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She's gotten a lot of praises from Mojo gold Mine
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and it's actually in the Rock and Roll Hall of
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Fame Library, which is pretty damn cool. She also writes
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the Sparks Fan Club newsletter for all of you Sparks
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fans out there, so that's kind of a nice twist
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on this as well. Before we get to that, I've
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got a couple of housekeeping notes i want you to
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be aware of just the other day, where got out
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that John Munson from Semi Sonic. He has not been
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a guest, but his bandmatee Jacob Schlichter has been on
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the podcast. But John had a stroke and he seems
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to be doing okay. Sounds like based on what's going
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around here from first hand accounts is he's doing some
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recovery stuff and he did even he posted on his
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spacebook the other day, so that's that's a good sign.
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But there is a little bit of a recovery period
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going on with John. Actually played with him about a
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month and a half ago at Morningside after Dark. So
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there is a go fund me out there to help.
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He's a musician, working musician, so you know, any bit help,
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So look for that go fundme for John Monson from
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Semi Sonic and what other notes here? I got to
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High End Stress has some stuff going on here too.
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I'm actually playing Sunday night in Outtawa, Illinois at the
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Bluegill with Dan Hubbard and Iavis John. That's a solo show.
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And then we've got a run of Midwest dates in May.
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Thursday May first, hit the Lyft in Debuque, Iowa. Friday
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May second at the International Pop Overthrow Festival at Montrose
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Saloon in Chicago. What else we got Saturday May third
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at the Law Office, Love that Place, Yorkville, Illinois with
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our pal Matt Dirda and the High Watts as well
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as the Drugs. And then we also have a show
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in Wabasha Minnesota Friday, June twenty seventh and Heritage Park
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where get some other things in the works as well.
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So lots of high on stress activities, trying to get
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that damn new record done, the follow up to Hold
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Me In, which this theme song is the lead up
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truck will Hold Me In. So if you haven't checked
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that out, please do. But we're continuing to try to
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get this record on and out to you. It's been
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a minutes since Told Me In came out and we'll
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keep you posted there, but without further ado, I bring
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you Madeleine Baccaro. What have you been up to today?
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Doing a lot of stuff for your book or just
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hanging out or what's put on the agenda?
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Doing a lot of stuff doing setting up more interviews,
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trying to We're getting ready for the Fester for Beatle
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fans in March, going to be there for three days
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selling the book and yeah it's going to be great.
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Nice. Where's the fest app.
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It's in New Jersey at the Hyatt over there, the
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Hotel over there is there every year, but last year
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they had the TWA terminal where the Beatles landed sixty
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years ago. That was a special treat that's fun.
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So what do they do. I've never been one of
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those Beatles festivals. What kinds of events do they have?
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Well, they have it's all Beatles all three days. There's
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some there you to be, you know, like a lot
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more people who worked with the Beatles, but little by
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little they're dying off. But they do have a lot
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of cover bands and special guests. And you know they
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have like Patty Boyd, you know, George's wife, she put
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a book out last year. She was there signing her book.
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And Ringo's art dealers there selling. Ringo's does some artwork.
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And it's usually like just a lot of there's a
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stage all day with bands playing in different events all day.
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So that's good. And the authors have their own little corner.
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There's usually about twenty authors with their books, all Beatles related.
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Very cool. So did you grow up in New York?
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Yeah?
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Okay, which part New York City or out Long Island.
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About thirty miles thirty minutes away from New York City
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by train. So that was perfect. I had my nice, little,
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comfy suburban home and I'd go into the city for
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the wildness and then go back home.
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Gotcha, gotcha? Were you a big music fan as a kid, Oh.
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Very big, since I was very young, and in fact,
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the Beatles were one of my first things I got
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into and Yo Go as well, and David Bowie, Louie,
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Iggy Pop, the New York Dolls, you know all that
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and CBGB's. I was there every weekend with the Ramones
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and the Cramps and Blondie like I saw it all.
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It was the best.
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Wow, that's a good time to be there.
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It is. It was. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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That's cool. So who the Beatles were that was that
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kind of your entry way into into music.
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I think it was everybody's, you know. I was six
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when they were on the Ed Sullivan Show, So of
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course I asked my mother to get me the records.
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I had the Chipmunks sing the Beatles hits. She got
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back from me, and then I was like, no, look,
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get me the real stuff. So I got you know,
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the Hate Jude and Revolution single, and she kept bringing
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it back to the store telling me there's something wrong
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with the B side Revolution because it was all fuzzy guitar.
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I'm like, no, it's supposed to sound like that. No,
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that doesn't sound right.
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That's not good. I like that every generation's parents, you know.
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I had a moment last night where I was watching
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that the La Fire Aid concert and there was like
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a new artist on there, and my kid walked and
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he's like, you're listening to so and so yeahs on
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like it's awful, and he's like, of course you think it,
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think it's awful. It's kind of that thing that happens
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every every generation looks at the next one going this
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isn't good. So it's funny. I love when you see
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some of those old Beatles reviews from magazines and newspapers
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where they're just talking about how terrible they are, and
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you're like, yep, every every generation has that problem built
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they oh, yeah, so awesome. So you were a music
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kid growing up. Did you ever play any instruments or anything,
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or you're.
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Just a My mom made me take piano lessons, but
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I didn't want to play anything classical. I wanted I
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had a guitar and I could play by ear, but
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I didn't ever join a band or anything. But I
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was writing for a magazine CMJ, doing concert reviews and
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interviews and got a lot of free records that way.
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And you know, did that for about three or four
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years till I had to get a real job with
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it paid rent.
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And was that your first writing gig?
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CMJ was my first?
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Yeah, And how old were you when you started at CMJ?
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I was about eighteen?
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Cool? How did that come come along? That's a pretty
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great gig.
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It was great.
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It was right at the ground floor there, but Bobby
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Haver had just started it up as CMJS for College
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Media Journal if people don't know, and college radio stations
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would phone in and you know, their playlists and we'd
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compile the lists and find what out was number one
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in the country. So that was cool. And uh, I
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think I found it. He was a name. He lived
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not too far away, so I heard about the magazine
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and I just went over there and started writing for them.
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That's really cool. Did you get free concert tickets or anything?
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And yeah, so you were doing a lot of that. Yeah,
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what were some of those shows that you got free
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passes too?
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Oh? I know that. I interviewed Joe Jackson when his
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first album came out and saw him the Psychedelic Furs.
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I remember Ian Hunter iggy pop albums and you know
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the Blondie, the Bowie all that stuff like nineteen seventy
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seven that was coming out Low and Heroes and Lust
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for Life and The Idiot, like all this great stuff
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coming out every six months by these artists. It was amazing.
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And you were interviewing them as well, just writing about
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the um.
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Yas and the Ramones from the Cramps.
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What were some of the more memorable interviews you had.
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Oh, I loved the one with Joe Jackson because he
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was really fun and I went he was into like
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the pinschipes and Polka Dots at the time, and Bloomingdale's
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had a Polka Dots apartment. I had just been there
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and he he said, oh my god, you got to
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take me over there. So I took him shopping and
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looming to.
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That's hilarious. And how long were you writing for them?
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About thirty four years?
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Three or four years? Okay? Were you into writing as
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a kid or in high school or you just were
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into music and you were like, hey, I want to
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write or were you kind of doing that?
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So I was into music, actually, I think I started.
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I started a newsletter from my block and I called
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it The Ursula Drive Times, and I wrote about everything.
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People were nervous when I was going to write about
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the families in the neighborhood. It was really like silly stuff,
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and I had in the obituaries I'd have when in
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the gurbil died or the dog or whatever.
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I just like, you know, started writing then. And then
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I got into music and start writing about that, and
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I started my block in two thousand and two. I
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started putting all my past writings up and continuing with
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new writings and doing like fiftieth anniversary retrospectives on my
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favorite records and what they mean now. And so it became.
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It's a huge thing now. It's mattelinex dot com if
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you want to check it out.
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Very cool, very cool. And did did you ever get
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a chance to meet any of the Beatles?
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The Beatles? No, I went well, except for Yoko. She's
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like the fifth Beatle, right, But I did see John
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and Yoko's concert when I was fourteen, the one time
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he played in America, a full.
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Concert Square Garden.
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Madison Square Garden. There's a film about that now, a
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documentary about that whole time. So yeah, that was a
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great show.
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Oh you were at that? Wow? Yeah, I've got to
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copy of that show somewhere. I think that came out
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as an album too, didn't.
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It an album and a VHS and I eventually I
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think it's EVD But now they really cleaned it up.
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I mean, Sean worked on it, and you know, it's
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it's probably to come out on another album.
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Very cool, awesome. So your whole life basically has been
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writing about music, it sounds.
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Like well, aside from being having real jobs that I
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hated nine to five, but luckily I was still going
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to the concerts at night and writing for my own
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self really, and then as I got older, people would
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kind of had a lot of friends in the industry,
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and they knew that I kind of was an expert
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on certain bands, and whenever somebody was doing a big
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feature on like Bowie or anyone that I loved, they
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would contact me and I kind of helped them out
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and they've used my research. So it's cool.
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That's cool. What kinds of jobs were you doing back.
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That, administrative assistance and all kinds of industries. I hated
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it all, but I had to do it just to
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survive and go to the concerts and farm records and
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do it I wanted to do.
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whole time. Yeah, okay, very cool. So what I find
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pretty fascinating. I was doing some research on you in
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your background. But I find kind of fascinating and cool
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is you know, there's so many books about the Beatles,
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There's so many books about John Lennon, and in fact
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they're all right there, but there are not a lot
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of books about Yoko. She's in the books, but Yoko
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centric books are not as common. So why Yoko? What
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leg you to Yoko?
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Oh? There are books about her, but they're all about
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her art, and they're really just pictures of her artwork
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and intellectuals driveling on about it when it's really just simple,
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meaningful work that you don't really need to go down
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deep into. But I was drawn to her when I
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was ten years old. I saw a picture of her
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in Time magazine that my mother had, and she was
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standing in front of a film frame of the the
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movie she made about it was Bottoms. It was filling
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the fake bottom cheeks, walking on a treadmill and close
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up and I thought, Wow, this is an adult doing
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something really wild. I love this, and I love the
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picture of her. She looks a little bit mischievous and smiling.
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I kept the picture, I kept the article, and I'm like,
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I just how do I find out more about her?
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You know? And I just put it aside. And then
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the next thing I know is I get the Beatles
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White album and I hear that she was singing on it,
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you know, and that continuing story of Bungalow Bill with
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this the chorus, and I think, is that that girl?
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My god, that's her. So now she's with John Lennon
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and I can find out more about her. So I
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started like saving every interview I could find about them,
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recording things off the radio and clippings and saving it all.
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And I eventually had this archive, luckily in chronological order
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because I saved it and folders by year. And then
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I began writing about her, and you know, just for
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my own whatever she said on TV, or writing about
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an album when I got it, all my thoughts about
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the album. And then I started writing to her and
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she would write back. So I had this relationship like
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where she realized that I really understood her work and
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loved it and got it because most people back then
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didn't pay her any attention. So then my friend convinced
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me to go with her to the Dakota, and she
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used to stand outside and see John and Yoko, and
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I didn't really like stalk them like that. But after
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John died, she said to me, you know, I think
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Yoko really needs to meet you. I'm like, well, I
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never thought of it that way, and she said, well,
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let's go. We'll go on her birthday so she knows
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we're not, you know, there for Beatles or John. So
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he did that, and I brought her a present and
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when she saw my name on the package and she
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realized who I was, she let out a little scream.
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She like, go, oh my god, you have to come
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to my art exhibition next week. And then from then
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on she started getting me invited to all these you know,
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exhibits and her concerts backstage, and it was just great
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to spend time with her and ask her a lot
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of questions. And it was nothing formal. I never really
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interviewed her, but I had a lot of insight. And
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during COVID, my boyfriend gave me software that I could organize.
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He said, dump all your word documents in here and
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you could organize them. And I realized I had a
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five hundred page book. And it took me like two
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more years to flesh it out and make it flow
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and add to it, and it became this the Yoko Bible,
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people are calling it.
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So what year did you finally meet her?
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I met her in nineteen eighty four.
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Nineteen eighty four, eighty four, Okay, gotcha. That's interesting that
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she was so open to meeting people at that point
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because everything was still probably pretty fresh. So wow, that's
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that's incredible. What years were you writing to her?
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Was that from like seventy four to seventy seventy four
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to eighty four, like on and off, And yeah, it
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was fantastic. She was always responsive and really sweet, and
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she said she always had an affinity also for John's
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fans because they went through the same loss that she did,
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and she's always tried to put out something at the
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beginning every year of his that was maybe unfinished or
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you know, she wanted to give to the fans something
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so they wouldn't miss him so much, and she was
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really really caring about that.
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I bet that first time that she responded to your message.
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I literally screamed and fell on the floor. I'm feeling
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it was amazed. But yeah, yeah, when I that's where
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I would write, That's how I knew where she of.
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A sudden you gotta let her back. Wow, And you
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still have all of those.
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Of course I have bad letters and albums that she
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sent me signed, and a lot of beautiful things. But
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she wrote to everyone, you know. She tried to answer
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all the mail, even if it was just signing a
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postcard whatever. Christmas cards. She sent a lot of Christmas
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cards to many, many, many people.
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That's cool, and it's amazing because I think a lot
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of this time. I think time has been kind to Yoko,
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because for years she was vilified wrongly in most cases,
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and I feel like people have come around on her.
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They start to realize that she's extremely talented, she has
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a cool worldview. Obviously John loved her for a reason,
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and it's been kind of fun to watch it. But
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she just turned about ninety two the other day, like
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I think, was it last week? That's crazy.
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I mean, there are still some people, especially these Beatles fans,
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they believe all the lies they've heard, and they refuse
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to research it themselves and find the truth, and they're
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always just gonna hate. But the younger generations who weren't
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raised with all that nonsense, they see her for who
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she is. They're loving her. Her work is traveling all
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over the world, huge exhibitions. Young people love it, children
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love it. It's getting amazing reviews. So you know, her
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time has come. She was always way way ahead of
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her time.
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Well that was the problem, Yeah, for sure. I assume
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you watched the Get Back documentary as well that they did,
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which was so fun, so great. I thought. One of
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the things that was very interesting about that is, you know,
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for years they wrote about how she was interfering, and
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she was there and she was getting in the way
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of the process and all this stuff. You watch this
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thing and you're like, and so were George's friends, and
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there's Paul's. All of this stuff is washed away. It's
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like she was not the only one that was at
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the recording session.
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It was just reading and knitting, knitting whatever, you know,
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doing her all. She's thinking of her next artwork, making notes.
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Anybody else would be like not blinking and staring at
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the Beatles, but she was just John wanted her there
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and so she sat with him. But that's all it was.
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And I think the time, you know, I know, Paul,
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years years after the fact, made a statement that she
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really had. No, she didn't break up the Beatles.
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Oh yeah, I don't know why you wait, it's all
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long to say it.
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I mean really, but you know maybe at the time
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maybe he thought she did. But you know, I think
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as you get older, you start to realize that things
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do run their course too. And you know, they were
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together all throughout their twenties. Ever get to this age
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where you know, they were growing up and they had
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families and different things, and of course, when you have
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that much success, egos get a little control as well.
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So you know, the time had come and I think
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she just ended up being kind of the brunt of
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the whole thing. And I think people are starting to
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I'm sure there's plenty of people out there, like you
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said that we'll never stop.
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I'll never let it go.
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I'll never let it go. But I'm like, she's you know,
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I think she's got a raw deal over a lot
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of years. So you know, so you were you were
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even into her music back then, because you know that's
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where people get like, oh, I like her ideas or
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art and all of that. Her music is pretty out there,
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So you were always into her music as.
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Well, Yes, yes, And you know she might not have
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ever gotten into music if it wasn't for John. I mean,
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she did the javant guard stuff with John Cage and yeah,
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those things, but as far as making her own records,
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that never entered her mind. But she had some songs
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and she showed them to John and you know, and
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it's funny because the most beautiful, delicate ones were like
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her first ones, and they were like listen the snow
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is falling and remember love, which is just so beautiful
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and quiet and sweet. But when John was recording his
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first album in nineteen seventy, his solo album, he set
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up a session for Yoga with the same musicians was
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Ringo and Klaus Worman and John on guitar, and she
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just kind of went wild and said some crazy improvising
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and tape loops and editing and it was just really
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it came out really cool, like a lot of avant garde.
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But basically after that, he gave her a beat and
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she gave him the freedom to go wild, so they
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kind of like switch positions in a way. It was
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really cool, And a lot of people don't know that
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she has such a diverse spectrum of genres that she
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cover well, not to cover like her songs are just
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there's reggae, there's a forty style, there's fifties rock style,
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there's ballads, and some of them are really beautiful that
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if like Barbara Streisan sang one of these, it could
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it would have been number one. So they just refused
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to open up and listen. So, but there are a
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lot of Yoko fans, music fans. I mean, her concerts
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are sold out whenever I would go.
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So, do you have a favorite Yogo song?
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I love the one that I mentioned remember Love and
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listen to Snow is frawling, and there's another one called
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Winter Song that's beautiful. But the wild ones are cool too.
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I love mind Train that goes on and on.
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And yeah, that's a cool one.
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Yeah, and uh Catman like some of our really cool rockers,
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some heavy music. And then her Season of Glass album
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that came out after John was killed. A lot of
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those songs sound just like a widow was writing them,
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just like she had looked, but she had written them
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in the seventies. A lot of prescians in these songs
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that even throughout her life. There's a lot of issues
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where I have a whole chapter called Premonitions and it's
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about things that were said and warnings they'd had received
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about the way their life was going to go. And
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it's very chilling and interesting.
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I didn't realize that a lot of those songs were
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older songs on that record. That's interesting. Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.
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So yeah, I'm sure the life they were living, there
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were probably you know, John made comments about gids and.
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Show yeah, yeah like that, but also things that psychics
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had said. And she was very into psychics and tao
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and directionalists and all this mysticism, and you know, she
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really really believed in it. In a way, I think
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it kind of crippled her, although she thought it was
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connecting her to some higher power and helping her through life,
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but she was so reliant upon it. But it is
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eerie that a lot of the mote she was receiving
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came true. And you know the fact that she Everybody says, well,
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if you knew all this, you know, psychic awareness, why
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did John get killed? And she said, well, why do
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you think I kept sending him away from New York.
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She sends him to m Bermuda, she sends him to
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Hong Kong, she sends he went around the world, and
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I couldn't keep sending him away. So that's.
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That's fascinating. Yeah. No, I read something Sean wrote recently
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where he was talking about growing up in that environment
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where she was.
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I know, poor kid. But you know, John is very
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supportive of the book. He loves it some thrilled, and
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her daughter, Kyoko loves it. A lot of her colleagues,
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a lot of people that worked on her films. I'm
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getting really good, good response from everyone, so I can't
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be happy with that.
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So Kyoko's around these days, Kyogo.
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I saw last week she was in New York. There
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was this symposium on Yoko and her wist trees were
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on display at the Park Avenue Armory. So she came
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out for that, and yeah, it's good to see her.
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And you don't hear a lot about her. So I
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was wondering, what, you know, if she doesn't.
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Want the spotlight, she's it's an artist actually herself.
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What kind of stuff have you seen?
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It a little bit of a grel like sculpture and
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strange stuff. But it's cool, that's.
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Very cool, okay. And how did you meet her just
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at some of these events?
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Well, she has a book and friends on you know
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social media and met up with her at the event.
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Nice Sean as well, same sort of thing. Excuse me,
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Sean as well, you've met at these events.
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I met Showan at some of his concerts, and yeah,
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he has the book. Her grandchildren have it, so it's good.
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I want them to really know.
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Who she was, gotcha. Yeah, and she listened to a
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lot of public events at this point. Right now, I
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think I think I heard she moved moved out of
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the Dakota event and is kind.
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Of Yeah, she's upstate and she's her health isn't so great,
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so she's really retired. Yeah, good for her. She doesn't
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need to be miss what's going on now.
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Yeah, of all the people, I'm sure she's not very pleased.
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00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.319
It's pretty awful. So when was the last time you
484
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:48.880
saw Yoko?
485
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:56.160
When her exhibition she had a she had a imaginary
486
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:59.400
exhibition in nineteen seventy one at the Museum of Modern Art,
487
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:05.799
ated this thing in her head where she released flies
488
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.400
in the Garden at MoMA, and she had a catalog
489
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.319
printed up with a little map where you're supposed to
490
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:16.279
find these flies, and then she had a cameraman and
491
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:20.680
an interviewer with a microphone outside the entrance, and she
492
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.240
they were asking what did you think of the yogo
493
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.000
Ono exhibition and some people said, oh, it's great, like
494
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:28.960
they don't know and so on said what, I didn't
495
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.039
see it or it was just and then she gets
496
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.400
a phone call from the director of MoMA. What's going on?
497
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.519
They're saying, you have an exhibition here, and she says, oh, yeah,
498
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.200
but don't worry, it's in my head. Right. So then
499
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:44.039
it was called Yoko on a One Woman Show. So
500
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.400
in twenty fifteen, what happens three floors of MoMA, Yoko
501
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.799
on a One Woman's Show came true. So that's when
502
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.720
I saw her last, and it was in her glory
503
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:59.279
and going through the exhibit, and it's just fantastic to
504
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.559
see her in that way and just giving her a
505
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.480
hug and saying you did it, he did it.
506
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.000
Oh that's so cool. Yeah. No, I I missed her
507
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:12.519
on social media for as much as social media has
508
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:20.559
kind of become a hellscape. Yeah, she was always such
509
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.880
a good follow and I was fun of fascinating because
510
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.240
she would follow everybody back to which usually people of
511
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.160
that level of fame don't do that sort of thing, right,
512
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.960
So it's just fast.
513
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.960
Yeah. I think she said Twitter was a great meeting
514
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.200
for her. John would have loved it too, He would
515
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.279
have been done every day. I mean just a lot
516
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.759
of the quotes in my book are from her lengthy
517
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.680
quotes as well, but a lot of little things from Twitter.
518
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:51.960
And they're really like as if Confucius wrote for the
519
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.640
fortune cookies and gave you really good words of wisdom
520
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.039
every day, just a beautiful thing to contemplate and think
521
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.720
about and help you in life. And that's what her
522
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:07.319
whole m o is about, healing and you know, going
523
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.480
towards world peace and just you know, communicating. She wanted
524
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.960
us all to communicate and see our own inner power
525
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:15.799
and work together.
526
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.559
Gotcha? So what else did You're doing a lot of
527
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.599
Beatles events? What other events are you doing with the book?
528
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.440
And when did the book come out? Was it? You
529
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.559
said it took a couple of years.
530
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.240
Well it was twenty twenty two. This is the hardcover
531
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.839
just came nice And this cover is by an Australian artists.
532
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:38.400
I didn't know what to put on the cover and
533
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:39.200
I just love this.
534
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.640
And asked her it's so good, a good cover.
535
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.119
So that's her in a Nutshell, and yeah, I did
536
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:51.000
the hardcovers out now and might be working on an ebook.
537
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.200
I've done some library discussions. I did a reading at
538
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.960
the Park Avenue Armory last weekend. Just wherever I can
539
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.079
do or reading that I wasn't involved getting in a
540
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.119
plane and costing a lot of money, you know, because
541
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.359
it doesn't really pay off. So I do these local
542
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:10.000
things New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, whatever I can do.
543
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:17.079
Yeah, I've I'm in Minneapolis and I've been to well,
544
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.000
I've been to a couple of the John Art shows
545
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.519
that have come through, which are really fascinating. But they
546
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:24.319
had a Yoko one at the Walker Art Center and
547
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.799
I was like, I need to go to that. That'd
548
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.799
be really fun. And I showed up like ten minutes.
549
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:30.319
I didn't realize they're about to close. It was like
550
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.400
ten minutes before closing, and I was like, oh, shooting.
551
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.240
They'd like go ahead, so I'm like, oh, So I
552
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.160
got in freed, was able to go. They had the
553
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.519
ladder with the magnifying glass then all this stuff. It
554
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.359
was really kind of a neat thing to see. So
555
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.640
I'm glad I got that opportunity. But I've always been
556
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.039
a I've always been a big John fan, so I've
557
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.119
you know, with that, I've learned a lot about her
558
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.799
as well. I got to read your book because that'd
559
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:55.960
be fascinating to learn.
560
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:56.920
Oh definitely.
561
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.400
Yeah. So what what else you were? Can I gonna
562
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.200
write some more books? What's what's the plan for the future?
563
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.720
Well, my popular demands. I'm trying to compile a lot
564
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.799
of things on my blog into a cohesive, you know
565
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.839
form somewhat. It's probably gonna have to be an ebook
566
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.759
because it's massive, So we'll see it's it's it's album reviews,
567
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.480
concert reviews. But I'm talking like from the seventies, eighties,
568
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:29.200
you know, like really yeah, and just an analysis of albums, interviews,
569
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.960
a lot of great stuff, gotcha.
570
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.960
So who are you listening to these days? Anybody pop up?
571
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.799
Everybody I loved since my childhood and growing up. Nothing
572
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.440
really that new, I can't say, you know, I guess
573
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.720
it's like that with every generation. But I can't get
574
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.799
into this new stuff.
575
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:55.720
Yeah, I hear you. So what are those you mentioned
576
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.839
some of them early on Bowie and the Beatles and
577
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.799
all of that, But what are some those favorites? What
578
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.440
are in regular rotation at your house.
579
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.799
Well, I didn't mention Sparks. They're a big one, oh Sparks.
580
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.039
And I've been writing their newsletter, their official newsletter for
581
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.119
about twenty years.
582
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.680
So they I saw that. How did that come along?
583
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.119
Well? I loved them since I was a kid too,
584
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:20.960
and I saw.
585
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.920
You love artie stuff.
586
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.079
Yeah, And I mean, I just love them and I
587
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:31.799
always wanted them to be my big brothers. And you know,
588
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.240
I did see them in the seventies a few times,
589
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.200
and then they didn't really play much because they were
590
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.759
working on this musical that never came to be for
591
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.000
they didn't tour for about ten years. And then when
592
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.880
I got a computer, I started searching, like, what are
593
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.079
Sparks up to? It was nineteen ninety six and they
594
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.920
just put out an album and they went on tour,
595
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.319
and so I couldn't go to that because my mom
596
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.799
passed away that year. But then they toured again, and
597
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.559
I started this little cereal on the internet about all
598
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.119
my adventures and meeting them when I was a kid
599
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.079
and getting backstage and all this, and Russell the singer,
600
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.400
read my messages and he said, oh my god, we
601
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.359
love your writing. Would you like to start writing our newsletter,
602
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.319
and in this newsletter I've been getting in the mail
603
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.079
since I was fourteen, every year, it was like this
604
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.200
holy grail to me, and I'm like, wow, yeah, I'll
605
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.720
do it. So I would write this ten page thing
606
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.480
twice a year about them, and I started going on
607
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.680
the tours with them and the greatest guys. So now
608
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.519
they are my big brothers.
609
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.880
Oh that's so cool.
610
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.759
They have a new album coming out in May, a.
611
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:48.799
New album called Today, what's it called Mad?
612
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.880
Exclamation Point and mab gotcha.
613
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.240
You know if they're going to tour?
614
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.519
Yes, the tour days came out everywhere Japan, Europe, England
615
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:04.720
and eventually North America. They did the Hollywood Bowl last year,
616
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.000
they did the Royal Albert Hall, two nights sold out,
617
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.599
and they did a big tour list was see last
618
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.519
year or two years ago? Already gave over the list.
619
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:17.480
Twenty three two, egger Wright did the documentary The Sparks Brothers,
620
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.039
which is fantastic. It's about their whole career and ever
621
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.159
since then they've gotten a lot more younger fans, newer fans,
622
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:26.599
and it's incredible.
623
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:29.440
So when you went on tour with.
624
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:33.400
Them, well, yeah, we go. We went the first time
625
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.360
they played in Japan in two thousand and one, we
626
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:41.199
went to Tokyo and Osaka, so that was really cool.
627
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.679
Every time they played in England, we got about five
628
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.119
or six shows in England and then the ones in America.
629
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.320
Where else. I mean, that's where we pretty much stick to.
630
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.800
I'd rather see like five in one area than go
631
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.400
the universe all over.
632
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.039
Yeah. Yeah, how is the reception in Japan?
633
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.320
Fantastic? Now? Japanese audience are very different. They're very quiet,
634
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.440
you can hear a pin drop, but then you know,
635
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.719
after the song is over, they go wild. So they
636
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.920
come up to them afterwards with the albums the sign
637
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.000
and they're crying and shaking. It's really cool.
638
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.760
That's cool. Yeah, it's funny. I think we've just become
639
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:33.599
desensitized in America. We stand around like this like other
640
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.039
countries appreciate I think art music probably a little bit
641
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.079
more than we do these days. Unfortunately, So what other records?
642
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.639
That's that's a really cool story about Sparks.
643
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.639
Oh what of the records? Well, I still love my
644
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.880
Alice Cooper, I still love my Ian Hunter and Mick
645
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:56.840
Ronson and the old Boie and oh cool, and then
646
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.000
you know, all glam Susie Quatro this I always. I
647
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:02.920
love the Sweet I stick them on all the time,
648
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.039
Iggy the Stooges, Oh my God, live on the Students.
649
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:11.639
I love Nico, the Vellat Underground, you know, lou Reed
650
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:16.239
of course, the sex Pistols, the Remote like you know,
651
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.559
just there's plenty of bit I'd rather have everything that
652
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:25.840
these bands did than get into fifty new bands, you know,
653
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.920
I just love them.
654
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.039
So you're in the right place.
655
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:30.039
The right time.
656
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:31.920
Yeah, a lot of New York.
657
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:38.039
Yeah, definitely, that's very cool. For the early stuff. And
658
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:40.800
I got to see Sly in the Family Stall and
659
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.280
I saw Stevie Wonder you know, seventy two, seventy three.
660
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.639
I mean, it's a great, great shows the Stalls back then.
661
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.880
In seventy five I saw and I saw Mick Jaggers
662
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.920
do were solo concert at what was Webster Hall, and
663
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.480
that was amazing being right up front for Mick Jagger's show.
664
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.159
What year was that?
665
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.159
That was the Wandering Spirit album.
666
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.920
It was probably in the nineties, the nineties record.
667
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:10.880
And the great Yeah, it was so good.
668
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.599
Who did playing with him? Do you remember?
669
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.519
I could get it to you later because it was
670
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.679
up on YouTube for a while with all the listing
671
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.559
of who played fantastic. Oh my god to hear Mick
672
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.159
with a kick ass band behind him and not just
673
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.480
the Stone, Like the Stones are the Stone, They're great,
674
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.920
but this is, oh my good god, really heavy, really great.
675
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:40.039
Yeah, it's you know those guys. It's like, I'm gonna
676
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.360
put together a backing band. It's pretty much like you
677
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.719
get to pick whatever you want. Yeah, I'll play with
678
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.119
Mick Jagger's Yeah.
679
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.239
Well, you remember when he was on Saturday Night Live
680
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.280
with I think Dave Grohl on drums and I think
681
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.400
they did Painted Black or something. It was like, oh
682
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.880
my god, this is a punk song. This is amazing.
683
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.280
Yeah, it's crazy. It was just it's a totally different vibe.
684
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.000
But you know, mix that has been kind of adventurous
685
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.360
in what he's liked. You know, even you listen to
686
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.119
some of the different changes that the Stones did over
687
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:11.760
the years. You know, they even got a little disco
688
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.519
at time. Oh yeah, so you know, I always been he
689
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.119
had prints opening for them early on. When Prince was.
690
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.199
I saw Prince a lot of times in the eighties.
691
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:22.400
I was sick.
692
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.159
Uh yeah, I'm a big Prince.
693
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.599
Oh well, that's nice.
694
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.679
Yeah, so you saw prints in the eighties, that's pretty
695
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:34.320
pretty cool.
696
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.480
Yeah. I go and I go by myself because none
697
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.920
of my friends liked him or whatever. And he would
698
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.519
play like he did the Garden with Sign of the
699
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:48.239
Times Madison Square Garden and then and he did the Palladium.
700
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.599
But but I would sneak down from like I always do,
701
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.360
and I talked to all the kids down there, and
702
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.000
they would bring me to the after shows like he
703
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.360
would stop it, you know, eleven thirty at night at
704
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.360
the at the Garden, and then at like one he'd
705
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.639
gone at this little club and played like three hours.
706
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.519
That was even better.
707
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.880
Yeah, well it's funny. I guse I'm in Minneapolis, so
708
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.960
I'd gone to Paisley Park where you would have parties
709
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.719
that you would have those I speaking of slide in
710
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.880
the family Stone. There was one time I was out there.
711
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.320
I was five feet like, have you ever been to
712
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.159
Paisley Park, all Minneapolis. Okay, It's it's got like a
713
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.119
giant sound stage in there, and then there's like a
714
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.320
smaller room and it was in the smaller room and
715
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.320
I was five feet in front of Larry Graham from
716
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.480
slanting the Family Stone and five feet from Prince and
717
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.920
they were doing Sli in the Family Stone songs wow,
718
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.519
and it was insane. And then they did also strange
719
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.320
ballot at Dorothy Parker from Son of the Times as well.
720
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.079
They did that night too, So yeah, he was just
721
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:53.840
that guy was a wizard.
722
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.000
It's just incredible.
723
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.519
Do you have you seen the new slang in the
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Family Stone documentary? Yes, they did great.
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Yeah, it's always great seeing Sly. I mean I could
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just watch him and I just get a kick out
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of him, you know, it's so funny. I saw him
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again and two thousand and seven because I always vowed
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if he ever me and my friend Nicole would always
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go in through the eighties and nineties like we got
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a fine slide. We just got to find him and
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just help him, like whatever. He's just got to get
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back on a stage. He's like, nah, he's probably just
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happy eating his froot loops in the morning, like whatever.
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But so he started to speak in two thousand and
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seven and he does a few shows. He did two
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nights at bb King in New York City. So I
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got tickets for the first night, the first show on
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the first and maybe it was two shows in one night,
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I went to the first show, and it was that
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thing where he would come on for five minutes and
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go off for ten minutes, and come on for ten
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minutes and go off for twenty minutes. I got he
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was not but when he was great, he was great. Right,
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So I don't know why to get tickets for both shows.
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I mean, I think I know why because I was
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my boyfriend. I don't want to torture him, and it
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was nice enough that he went with me to the one.
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So I left and I saw my friend Laurie going
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into the second show, and I go, good luck, Laurie.
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She's like whatever. So the next day she tells me
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he was fantastic. He did the whole show, on the
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stage the whole time.
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I'm like, so you picked the wrong show. Yeah. His
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story is incredible because just so immensely talented, and it
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comes through in that documentary when you're watching it, how
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just insanely talented that band.
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And that's where Prince gets it all from me.
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But they had that quote in there about one of
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its bandmates was like all he wanted to do twenty
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four to seven was play music, And you're like, mm,
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Prince even took that from him.
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Yeah, I read his book. Did you read his book
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that came out last two years?
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I haven't read it.
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No, I've did a review of it. You can read
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that and get the whole picture. It's really great.
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Is it? Is he all there these days?
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Like?
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Is he pretty? Did he have a ghostwriter with him
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or did he.
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Helped writing it? But but you could tell it's a
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lot of him talking.
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Yeah, it sounded like him.
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It's him.
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That's good. Yeah, he's I can't imagine that. I told
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the drugs took on him because he was at it
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for years and years. There's that clip of him in
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the dock talking in front of the r V and
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I'm like, oh, yeah.
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There's another documentary on him that a fan made and
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it's called Looking for a Sly or Searching for Sly.
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It's fantastic. I don't know if you could find it.
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I'll see if I can find a link to it.
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So good.
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Where's he living in California.
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He's got a little house now. His daughters take good
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care of him, and yeah, he's all right.
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That's good. Yeah, It's just I think sometimes when you're
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there are very few you don't want to use the
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term very often because it gets overused, but there are
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very few geniuses in the world, and I think that
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genius can take a toll on your mental health, as
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could be seen by Prince It's flying the family stone
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and a sly and all of these spolks like that.
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So it's it's good that he's out there still trucking
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and hopefully he's staying clean. And you know, yeah, I
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was just kind of wonder what those folks do. Is
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he out like just making music on his own and
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not releasing it, or you know, what does he do
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these days?
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You know, I would like to know. They did a
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piece on him on like CBS this morning when his
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book came out, and it showed him at home with
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his family and his son, and I'm sure he's just chilling.
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That was Madelyne Baccaro, author and music of Ficcinado. Really
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fun conversation with her and really good insight on Yoko
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and Sparks. Haven't had a lot of Sparks mentions on
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the podcast and many friends that are very big fan
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of Sparks, so I think that was a nice surprise
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as well. So thank you for listening this week. You
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can get her book online at conceptualbooks dot com, and
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she will be signing books at the twenty twenty five
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Beatles Fest March twenty eighth, twenty ninth, and thirtieth at
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the Hyatt Regency Hotel in New Jersey. So that's coming
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up here in just a couple of weeks, and go
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visit her, get a book, get it signed, say hello,
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tell her Figure Eights podcast, and thank you for listening.
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As I mentioned earlier, make sure you're supporting John Monson
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from Semi Sonic. There's a go fundme due to his
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recent stroke. He's done a lot for local music as
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well as music around the world. Come On, Closing Time
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was probably the most played song of the year the
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year that thing came out. So support John and thank
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you for listening. From Minneapolis Studio twenty four, this has
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been the Figure Eights podcast.
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God that Suys Brezal agreed, Salon when you go, sus see.
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Miss A down pastimes
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Rum the
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You were listening to the Figure Eights podcast. I'm your host,
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Nick Lead from the band High on Stress out of Minneapolis, Minnesota,
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and today's guest is a Madeline Bacaro. You may know
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her as the author of In Your Mind The Infinite
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Universe of Yoko Ono, and it's the first extensive exploration
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of Yoko's amazing light struggles, art, activism, films, music, and
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more so really cool book. You should definitely check that out.
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She's gotten a lot of praises from Mojo gold Mine
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and it's actually in the Rock and Roll Hall of
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Fame Library, which is pretty damn cool. She also writes
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the Sparks Fan Club newsletter for all of you Sparks
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fans out there, so that's kind of a nice twist
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on this as well. Before we get to that, I've
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got a couple of housekeeping notes i want you to
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be aware of just the other day, where got out
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that John Munson from Semi Sonic. He has not been
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a guest, but his bandmatee Jacob Schlichter has been on
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the podcast. But John had a stroke and he seems
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to be doing okay. Sounds like based on what's going
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around here from first hand accounts is he's doing some
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recovery stuff and he did even he posted on his
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spacebook the other day, so that's that's a good sign.
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But there is a little bit of a recovery period
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going on with John. Actually played with him about a
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month and a half ago at Morningside after Dark. So
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there is a go fund me out there to help.
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He's a musician, working musician, so you know, any bit help,
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So look for that go fundme for John Monson from
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Semi Sonic and what other notes here? I got to
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High End Stress has some stuff going on here too.
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I'm actually playing Sunday night in Outtawa, Illinois at the
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Bluegill with Dan Hubbard and Iavis John. That's a solo show.
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And then we've got a run of Midwest dates in May.
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Thursday May first, hit the Lyft in Debuque, Iowa. Friday
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May second at the International Pop Overthrow Festival at Montrose
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Saloon in Chicago. What else we got Saturday May third
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at the Law Office, Love that Place, Yorkville, Illinois with
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our pal Matt Dirda and the High Watts as well
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as the Drugs. And then we also have a show
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in Wabasha Minnesota Friday, June twenty seventh and Heritage Park
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where get some other things in the works as well.
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So lots of high on stress activities, trying to get
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that damn new record done, the follow up to Hold
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Me In, which this theme song is the lead up
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truck will Hold Me In. So if you haven't checked
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that out, please do. But we're continuing to try to
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get this record on and out to you. It's been
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a minutes since Told Me In came out and we'll
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keep you posted there, but without further ado, I bring
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you Madeleine Baccaro. What have you been up to today?
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Doing a lot of stuff for your book or just
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hanging out or what's put on the agenda?
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Doing a lot of stuff doing setting up more interviews,
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trying to We're getting ready for the Fester for Beatle
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fans in March, going to be there for three days
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selling the book and yeah it's going to be great.
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Nice. Where's the fest app.
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It's in New Jersey at the Hyatt over there, the
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Hotel over there is there every year, but last year
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they had the TWA terminal where the Beatles landed sixty
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years ago. That was a special treat that's fun.
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So what do they do. I've never been one of
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those Beatles festivals. What kinds of events do they have?
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Well, they have it's all Beatles all three days. There's
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some there you to be, you know, like a lot
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more people who worked with the Beatles, but little by
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little they're dying off. But they do have a lot
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of cover bands and special guests. And you know they
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have like Patty Boyd, you know, George's wife, she put
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a book out last year. She was there signing her book.
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And Ringo's art dealers there selling. Ringo's does some artwork.
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And it's usually like just a lot of there's a
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stage all day with bands playing in different events all day.
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So that's good. And the authors have their own little corner.
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There's usually about twenty authors with their books, all Beatles related.
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Very cool. So did you grow up in New York?
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Yeah?
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Okay, which part New York City or out Long Island.
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About thirty miles thirty minutes away from New York City
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by train. So that was perfect. I had my nice, little,
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comfy suburban home and I'd go into the city for
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the wildness and then go back home.
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Gotcha, gotcha? Were you a big music fan as a kid, Oh.
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Very big, since I was very young, and in fact,
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the Beatles were one of my first things I got
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into and Yo Go as well, and David Bowie, Louie,
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Iggy Pop, the New York Dolls, you know all that
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and CBGB's. I was there every weekend with the Ramones
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and the Cramps and Blondie like I saw it all.
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It was the best.
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Wow, that's a good time to be there.
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It is. It was. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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That's cool. So who the Beatles were that was that
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kind of your entry way into into music.
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I think it was everybody's, you know. I was six
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when they were on the Ed Sullivan Show, So of
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course I asked my mother to get me the records.
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I had the Chipmunks sing the Beatles hits. She got
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back from me, and then I was like, no, look,
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get me the real stuff. So I got you know,
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the Hate Jude and Revolution single, and she kept bringing
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it back to the store telling me there's something wrong
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with the B side Revolution because it was all fuzzy guitar.
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I'm like, no, it's supposed to sound like that. No,
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that doesn't sound right.
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That's not good. I like that every generation's parents, you know.
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I had a moment last night where I was watching
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that the La Fire Aid concert and there was like
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a new artist on there, and my kid walked and
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he's like, you're listening to so and so yeahs on
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like it's awful, and he's like, of course you think it,
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think it's awful. It's kind of that thing that happens
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every every generation looks at the next one going this
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isn't good. So it's funny. I love when you see
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some of those old Beatles reviews from magazines and newspapers
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where they're just talking about how terrible they are, and
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you're like, yep, every every generation has that problem built
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they oh, yeah, so awesome. So you were a music
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kid growing up. Did you ever play any instruments or anything,
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or you're.
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Just a My mom made me take piano lessons, but
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I didn't want to play anything classical. I wanted I
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had a guitar and I could play by ear, but
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I didn't ever join a band or anything. But I
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was writing for a magazine CMJ, doing concert reviews and
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interviews and got a lot of free records that way.
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And you know, did that for about three or four
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years till I had to get a real job with
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it paid rent.
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And was that your first writing gig?
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CMJ was my first?
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Yeah, And how old were you when you started at CMJ?
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I was about eighteen?
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Cool? How did that come come along? That's a pretty
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great gig.
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Media Journal if people don't know, and college radio stations
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compile the lists and find what out was number one
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in the country. So that was cool. And uh, I
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think I found it. He was a name. He lived
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not too far away, so I heard about the magazine
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and I just went over there and started writing for them.
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That's really cool. Did you get free concert tickets or anything?
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what were some of those shows that you got free
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passes too?
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first album came out and saw him the Psychedelic Furs.
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I remember Ian Hunter iggy pop albums and you know
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the Blondie, the Bowie all that stuff like nineteen seventy
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seven that was coming out Low and Heroes and Lust
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for Life and The Idiot, like all this great stuff
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coming out every six months by these artists. It was amazing.
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Yas and the Ramones from the Cramps.
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What were some of the more memorable interviews you had.
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was really fun and I went he was into like
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the pinschipes and Polka Dots at the time, and Bloomingdale's
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had a Polka Dots apartment. I had just been there
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and he he said, oh my god, you got to
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take me over there. So I took him shopping and
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looming to.
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That's hilarious. And how long were you writing for them?
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About thirty four years?
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Three or four years? Okay? Were you into writing as
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a kid or in high school or you just were
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into music and you were like, hey, I want to
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write or were you kind of doing that?
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I started a newsletter from my block and I called
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it The Ursula Drive Times, and I wrote about everything.
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People were nervous when I was going to write about
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the families in the neighborhood. It was really like silly stuff,
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and I had in the obituaries I'd have when in
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the gurbil died or the dog or whatever.
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started putting all my past writings up and continuing with
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new writings and doing like fiftieth anniversary retrospectives on my
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favorite records and what they mean now. And so it became.
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It's a huge thing now. It's mattelinex dot com if
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you want to check it out.
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Very cool, very cool. And did did you ever get
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a chance to meet any of the Beatles?
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The Beatles? No, I went well, except for Yoko. She's
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like the fifth Beatle, right, But I did see John
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and Yoko's concert when I was fourteen, the one time
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he played in America, a full.
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Concert Square Garden.
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Madison Square Garden. There's a film about that now, a
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documentary about that whole time. So yeah, that was a
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great show.
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copy of that show somewhere. I think that came out
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as an album too, didn't.
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It an album and a VHS and I eventually I
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think it's EVD But now they really cleaned it up.
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it's probably to come out on another album.
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Very cool, awesome. So your whole life basically has been
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writing about music, it sounds.
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hated nine to five, but luckily I was still going
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to the concerts at night and writing for my own
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self really, and then as I got older, people would
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kind of had a lot of friends in the industry,
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and they knew that I kind of was an expert
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on certain bands, and whenever somebody was doing a big
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feature on like Bowie or anyone that I loved, they
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would contact me and I kind of helped them out
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and they've used my research. So it's cool.
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That's cool. What kinds of jobs were you doing back.
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That, administrative assistance and all kinds of industries. I hated
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it all, but I had to do it just to
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survive and go to the concerts and farm records and
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do it I wanted to do.
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whole time. Yeah, okay, very cool. So what I find
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pretty fascinating. I was doing some research on you in
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your background. But I find kind of fascinating and cool
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is you know, there's so many books about the Beatles,
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There's so many books about John Lennon, and in fact
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they're all right there, but there are not a lot
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of books about Yoko. She's in the books, but Yoko
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centric books are not as common. So why Yoko? What
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leg you to Yoko?
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her art, and they're really just pictures of her artwork
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and intellectuals driveling on about it when it's really just simple,
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meaningful work that you don't really need to go down
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deep into. But I was drawn to her when I
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was ten years old. I saw a picture of her
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in Time magazine that my mother had, and she was
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standing in front of a film frame of the the
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movie she made about it was Bottoms. It was filling
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the fake bottom cheeks, walking on a treadmill and close
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up and I thought, Wow, this is an adult doing
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something really wild. I love this, and I love the
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picture of her. She looks a little bit mischievous and smiling.
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I kept the picture, I kept the article, and I'm like,
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I just how do I find out more about her?
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the next thing I know is I get the Beatles
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White album and I hear that she was singing on it,
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you know, and that continuing story of Bungalow Bill with
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this the chorus, and I think, is that that girl?
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My god, that's her. So now she's with John Lennon
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and I can find out more about her. So I
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started like saving every interview I could find about them,
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recording things off the radio and clippings and saving it all.
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because I saved it and folders by year. And then
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I began writing about her, and you know, just for
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my own whatever she said on TV, or writing about
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an album when I got it, all my thoughts about
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the album. And then I started writing to her and
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she would write back. So I had this relationship like
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where she realized that I really understood her work and
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loved it and got it because most people back then
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didn't pay her any attention. So then my friend convinced
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me to go with her to the Dakota, and she
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used to stand outside and see John and Yoko, and
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I didn't really like stalk them like that. But after
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John died, she said to me, you know, I think
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Yoko really needs to meet you. I'm like, well, I
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never thought of it that way, and she said, well,
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let's go. We'll go on her birthday so she knows
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we're not, you know, there for Beatles or John. So
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he did that, and I brought her a present and
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when she saw my name on the package and she
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realized who I was, she let out a little scream.
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to my art exhibition next week. And then from then
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on she started getting me invited to all these you know,
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exhibits and her concerts backstage, and it was just great
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to spend time with her and ask her a lot
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of questions. And it was nothing formal. I never really
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interviewed her, but I had a lot of insight. And
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during COVID, my boyfriend gave me software that I could organize.
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He said, dump all your word documents in here and
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you could organize them. And I realized I had a
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five hundred page book. And it took me like two
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more years to flesh it out and make it flow
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and add to it, and it became this the Yoko Bible,
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people are calling it.
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So what year did you finally meet her?
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I met her in nineteen eighty four.
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Nineteen eighty four, eighty four, Okay, gotcha. That's interesting that
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she was so open to meeting people at that point
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because everything was still probably pretty fresh. So wow, that's
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that's incredible. What years were you writing to her?
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Was that from like seventy four to seventy seventy four
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to eighty four, like on and off, And yeah, it
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was fantastic. She was always responsive and really sweet, and
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she said she always had an affinity also for John's
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fans because they went through the same loss that she did,
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and she's always tried to put out something at the
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beginning every year of his that was maybe unfinished or
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you know, she wanted to give to the fans something
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so they wouldn't miss him so much, and she was
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really really caring about that.
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I bet that first time that she responded to your message.
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I literally screamed and fell on the floor. I'm feeling
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it was amazed. But yeah, yeah, when I that's where
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I would write, That's how I knew where she of.
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A sudden you gotta let her back. Wow, And you
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still have all of those.
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Of course I have bad letters and albums that she
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sent me signed, and a lot of beautiful things. But
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she wrote to everyone, you know. She tried to answer
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all the mail, even if it was just signing a
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postcard whatever. Christmas cards. She sent a lot of Christmas
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cards to many, many, many people.
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That's cool, and it's amazing because I think a lot
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of this time. I think time has been kind to Yoko,
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because for years she was vilified wrongly in most cases,
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and I feel like people have come around on her.
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They start to realize that she's extremely talented, she has
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a cool worldview. Obviously John loved her for a reason,
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and it's been kind of fun to watch it. But
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she just turned about ninety two the other day, like
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I think, was it last week? That's crazy.
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they believe all the lies they've heard, and they refuse
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to research it themselves and find the truth, and they're
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always just gonna hate. But the younger generations who weren't
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raised with all that nonsense, they see her for who
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she is. They're loving her. Her work is traveling all
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over the world, huge exhibitions. Young people love it, children
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love it. It's getting amazing reviews. So you know, her
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time has come. She was always way way ahead of
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her time.
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Well that was the problem, Yeah, for sure. I assume
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you watched the Get Back documentary as well that they did,
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which was so fun, so great. I thought. One of
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the things that was very interesting about that is, you know,
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for years they wrote about how she was interfering, and
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she was there and she was getting in the way
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of the process and all this stuff. You watch this
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thing and you're like, and so were George's friends, and
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there's Paul's. All of this stuff is washed away. It's
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like she was not the only one that was at
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the recording session.
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It was just reading and knitting, knitting whatever, you know,
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doing her all. She's thinking of her next artwork, making notes.
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Anybody else would be like not blinking and staring at
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the Beatles, but she was just John wanted her there
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and so she sat with him. But that's all it was.
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And I think the time, you know, I know, Paul,
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years years after the fact, made a statement that she
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really had. No, she didn't break up the Beatles.
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long to say it.
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I mean really, but you know maybe at the time
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maybe he thought she did. But you know, I think
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as you get older, you start to realize that things
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do run their course too. And you know, they were
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together all throughout their twenties. Ever get to this age
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where you know, they were growing up and they had
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families and different things, and of course, when you have
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that much success, egos get a little control as well.
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she just ended up being kind of the brunt of
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the whole thing. And I think people are starting to
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I'm sure there's plenty of people out there, like you
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said that we'll never stop.
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I'll never let it go.
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I'll never let it go. But I'm like, she's you know,
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I think she's got a raw deal over a lot
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of years. So you know, so you were you were
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even into her music back then, because you know that's
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where people get like, oh, I like her ideas or
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art and all of that. Her music is pretty out there,
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So you were always into her music as.
381
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Well, Yes, yes, And you know she might not have
382
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ever gotten into music if it wasn't for John. I mean,
383
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she did the javant guard stuff with John Cage and yeah,
384
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those things, but as far as making her own records,
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that never entered her mind. But she had some songs
386
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and she showed them to John and you know, and
387
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it's funny because the most beautiful, delicate ones were like
388
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her first ones, and they were like listen the snow
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is falling and remember love, which is just so beautiful
390
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and quiet and sweet. But when John was recording his
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first album in nineteen seventy, his solo album, he set
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up a session for Yoga with the same musicians was
393
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Ringo and Klaus Worman and John on guitar, and she
394
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just kind of went wild and said some crazy improvising
395
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and tape loops and editing and it was just really
396
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it came out really cool, like a lot of avant garde.
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But basically after that, he gave her a beat and
398
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she gave him the freedom to go wild, so they
399
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kind of like switch positions in a way. It was
400
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really cool, And a lot of people don't know that
401
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she has such a diverse spectrum of genres that she
402
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cover well, not to cover like her songs are just
403
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there's reggae, there's a forty style, there's fifties rock style,
404
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there's ballads, and some of them are really beautiful that
405
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if like Barbara Streisan sang one of these, it could
406
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it would have been number one. So they just refused
407
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to open up and listen. So, but there are a
408
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lot of Yoko fans, music fans. I mean, her concerts
409
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are sold out whenever I would go.
410
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So, do you have a favorite Yogo song?
411
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I love the one that I mentioned remember Love and
412
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listen to Snow is frawling, and there's another one called
413
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Winter Song that's beautiful. But the wild ones are cool too.
414
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I love mind Train that goes on and on.
415
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And yeah, that's a cool one.
416
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Yeah, and uh Catman like some of our really cool rockers,
417
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some heavy music. And then her Season of Glass album
418
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that came out after John was killed. A lot of
419
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those songs sound just like a widow was writing them,
420
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just like she had looked, but she had written them
421
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in the seventies. A lot of prescians in these songs
422
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that even throughout her life. There's a lot of issues
423
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where I have a whole chapter called Premonitions and it's
424
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about things that were said and warnings they'd had received
425
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about the way their life was going to go. And
426
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it's very chilling and interesting.
427
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I didn't realize that a lot of those songs were
428
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older songs on that record. That's interesting. Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.
429
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So yeah, I'm sure the life they were living, there
430
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.519
were probably you know, John made comments about gids and.
431
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Show yeah, yeah like that, but also things that psychics
432
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had said. And she was very into psychics and tao
433
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and directionalists and all this mysticism, and you know, she
434
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really really believed in it. In a way, I think
435
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it kind of crippled her, although she thought it was
436
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connecting her to some higher power and helping her through life,
437
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.000
but she was so reliant upon it. But it is
438
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.759
eerie that a lot of the mote she was receiving
439
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:19.039
came true. And you know the fact that she Everybody says, well,
440
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if you knew all this, you know, psychic awareness, why
441
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.640
did John get killed? And she said, well, why do
442
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you think I kept sending him away from New York.
443
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She sends him to m Bermuda, she sends him to
444
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Hong Kong, she sends he went around the world, and
445
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I couldn't keep sending him away. So that's.
446
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That's fascinating. Yeah. No, I read something Sean wrote recently
447
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where he was talking about growing up in that environment
448
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where she was.
449
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.079
I know, poor kid. But you know, John is very
450
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supportive of the book. He loves it some thrilled, and
451
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.559
her daughter, Kyoko loves it. A lot of her colleagues,
452
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.160
a lot of people that worked on her films. I'm
453
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.839
getting really good, good response from everyone, so I can't
454
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:09.720
be happy with that.
455
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.680
So Kyoko's around these days, Kyogo.
456
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:15.640
I saw last week she was in New York. There
457
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was this symposium on Yoko and her wist trees were
458
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.960
on display at the Park Avenue Armory. So she came
459
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:27.599
out for that, and yeah, it's good to see her.
460
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And you don't hear a lot about her. So I
461
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:32.599
was wondering, what, you know, if she doesn't.
462
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.519
Want the spotlight, she's it's an artist actually herself.
463
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:38.480
What kind of stuff have you seen?
464
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It a little bit of a grel like sculpture and
465
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.559
strange stuff. But it's cool, that's.
466
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.319
Very cool, okay. And how did you meet her just
467
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at some of these events?
468
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.720
Well, she has a book and friends on you know
469
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.240
social media and met up with her at the event.
470
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.880
Nice Sean as well, same sort of thing. Excuse me,
471
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:02.599
Sean as well, you've met at these events.
472
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.240
I met Showan at some of his concerts, and yeah,
473
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.279
he has the book. Her grandchildren have it, so it's good.
474
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I want them to really know.
475
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:19.079
Who she was, gotcha. Yeah, and she listened to a
476
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.279
lot of public events at this point. Right now, I
477
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.759
think I think I heard she moved moved out of
478
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the Dakota event and is kind.
479
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Of Yeah, she's upstate and she's her health isn't so great,
480
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.960
so she's really retired. Yeah, good for her. She doesn't
481
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need to be miss what's going on now.
482
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:43.119
Yeah, of all the people, I'm sure she's not very pleased.
483
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.319
It's pretty awful. So when was the last time you
484
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:48.880
saw Yoko?
485
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When her exhibition she had a she had a imaginary
486
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exhibition in nineteen seventy one at the Museum of Modern Art,
487
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:05.799
ated this thing in her head where she released flies
488
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in the Garden at MoMA, and she had a catalog
489
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printed up with a little map where you're supposed to
490
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find these flies, and then she had a cameraman and
491
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:20.680
an interviewer with a microphone outside the entrance, and she
492
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.240
they were asking what did you think of the yogo
493
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Ono exhibition and some people said, oh, it's great, like
494
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they don't know and so on said what, I didn't
495
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.039
see it or it was just and then she gets
496
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.400
a phone call from the director of MoMA. What's going on?
497
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.519
They're saying, you have an exhibition here, and she says, oh, yeah,
498
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.200
but don't worry, it's in my head. Right. So then
499
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:44.039
it was called Yoko on a One Woman Show. So
500
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in twenty fifteen, what happens three floors of MoMA, Yoko
501
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.799
on a One Woman's Show came true. So that's when
502
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.720
I saw her last, and it was in her glory
503
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:59.279
and going through the exhibit, and it's just fantastic to
504
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.559
see her in that way and just giving her a
505
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.480
hug and saying you did it, he did it.
506
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:10.000
Oh that's so cool. Yeah. No, I I missed her
507
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:12.519
on social media for as much as social media has
508
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:20.559
kind of become a hellscape. Yeah, she was always such
509
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.880
a good follow and I was fun of fascinating because
510
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.240
she would follow everybody back to which usually people of
511
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.160
that level of fame don't do that sort of thing, right,
512
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.960
So it's just fast.
513
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.960
Yeah. I think she said Twitter was a great meeting
514
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.200
for her. John would have loved it too, He would
515
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.279
have been done every day. I mean just a lot
516
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.759
of the quotes in my book are from her lengthy
517
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.680
quotes as well, but a lot of little things from Twitter.
518
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:51.960
And they're really like as if Confucius wrote for the
519
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.640
fortune cookies and gave you really good words of wisdom
520
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.039
every day, just a beautiful thing to contemplate and think
521
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.720
about and help you in life. And that's what her
522
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:07.319
whole m o is about, healing and you know, going
523
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.480
towards world peace and just you know, communicating. She wanted
524
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.960
us all to communicate and see our own inner power
525
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:15.799
and work together.
526
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.559
Gotcha? So what else did You're doing a lot of
527
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.599
Beatles events? What other events are you doing with the book?
528
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.440
And when did the book come out? Was it? You
529
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.559
said it took a couple of years.
530
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.240
Well it was twenty twenty two. This is the hardcover
531
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.839
just came nice And this cover is by an Australian artists.
532
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:38.400
I didn't know what to put on the cover and
533
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:39.200
I just love this.
534
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.640
And asked her it's so good, a good cover.
535
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.119
So that's her in a Nutshell, and yeah, I did
536
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:51.000
the hardcovers out now and might be working on an ebook.
537
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.200
I've done some library discussions. I did a reading at
538
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.960
the Park Avenue Armory last weekend. Just wherever I can
539
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.079
do or reading that I wasn't involved getting in a
540
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.119
plane and costing a lot of money, you know, because
541
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.359
it doesn't really pay off. So I do these local
542
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:10.000
things New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, whatever I can do.
543
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:17.079
Yeah, I've I'm in Minneapolis and I've been to well,
544
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.000
I've been to a couple of the John Art shows
545
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.519
that have come through, which are really fascinating. But they
546
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:24.319
had a Yoko one at the Walker Art Center and
547
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.799
I was like, I need to go to that. That'd
548
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.799
be really fun. And I showed up like ten minutes.
549
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:30.319
I didn't realize they're about to close. It was like
550
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.400
ten minutes before closing, and I was like, oh, shooting.
551
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.240
They'd like go ahead, so I'm like, oh, So I
552
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.160
got in freed, was able to go. They had the
553
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.519
ladder with the magnifying glass then all this stuff. It
554
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.359
was really kind of a neat thing to see. So
555
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.640
I'm glad I got that opportunity. But I've always been
556
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.039
a I've always been a big John fan, so I've
557
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.119
you know, with that, I've learned a lot about her
558
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.799
as well. I got to read your book because that'd
559
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:55.960
be fascinating to learn.
560
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:56.920
Oh definitely.
561
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.400
Yeah. So what what else you were? Can I gonna
562
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.200
write some more books? What's what's the plan for the future?
563
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.720
Well, my popular demands. I'm trying to compile a lot
564
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.799
of things on my blog into a cohesive, you know
565
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.839
form somewhat. It's probably gonna have to be an ebook
566
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.759
because it's massive, So we'll see it's it's it's album reviews,
567
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.480
concert reviews. But I'm talking like from the seventies, eighties,
568
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:29.200
you know, like really yeah, and just an analysis of albums, interviews,
569
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.960
a lot of great stuff, gotcha.
570
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.960
So who are you listening to these days? Anybody pop up?
571
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.799
Everybody I loved since my childhood and growing up. Nothing
572
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.440
really that new, I can't say, you know, I guess
573
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.720
it's like that with every generation. But I can't get
574
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.799
into this new stuff.
575
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:55.720
Yeah, I hear you. So what are those you mentioned
576
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.839
some of them early on Bowie and the Beatles and
577
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.799
all of that, But what are some those favorites? What
578
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.440
are in regular rotation at your house.
579
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.799
Well, I didn't mention Sparks. They're a big one, oh Sparks.
580
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.039
And I've been writing their newsletter, their official newsletter for
581
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.119
about twenty years.
582
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.680
So they I saw that. How did that come along?
583
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.119
Well? I loved them since I was a kid too,
584
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:20.960
and I saw.
585
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.920
You love artie stuff.
586
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.079
Yeah, And I mean, I just love them and I
587
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:31.799
always wanted them to be my big brothers. And you know,
588
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.240
I did see them in the seventies a few times,
589
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.200
and then they didn't really play much because they were
590
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.759
working on this musical that never came to be for
591
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.000
they didn't tour for about ten years. And then when
592
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.880
I got a computer, I started searching, like, what are
593
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.079
Sparks up to? It was nineteen ninety six and they
594
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.920
just put out an album and they went on tour,
595
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.319
and so I couldn't go to that because my mom
596
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.799
passed away that year. But then they toured again, and
597
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.559
I started this little cereal on the internet about all
598
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.119
my adventures and meeting them when I was a kid
599
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.079
and getting backstage and all this, and Russell the singer,
600
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.400
read my messages and he said, oh my god, we
601
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.359
love your writing. Would you like to start writing our newsletter,
602
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.319
and in this newsletter I've been getting in the mail
603
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.079
since I was fourteen, every year, it was like this
604
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.200
holy grail to me, and I'm like, wow, yeah, I'll
605
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.720
do it. So I would write this ten page thing
606
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.480
twice a year about them, and I started going on
607
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.680
the tours with them and the greatest guys. So now
608
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.519
they are my big brothers.
609
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.880
Oh that's so cool.
610
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.759
They have a new album coming out in May, a.
611
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:48.799
New album called Today, what's it called Mad?
612
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.880
Exclamation Point and mab gotcha.
613
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.240
You know if they're going to tour?
614
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.519
Yes, the tour days came out everywhere Japan, Europe, England
615
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:04.720
and eventually North America. They did the Hollywood Bowl last year,
616
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.000
they did the Royal Albert Hall, two nights sold out,
617
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.599
and they did a big tour list was see last
618
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.519
year or two years ago? Already gave over the list.
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Twenty three two, egger Wright did the documentary The Sparks Brothers,
620
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which is fantastic. It's about their whole career and ever
621
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since then they've gotten a lot more younger fans, newer fans,
622
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and it's incredible.
623
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So when you went on tour with.
624
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Them, well, yeah, we go. We went the first time
625
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they played in Japan in two thousand and one, we
626
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went to Tokyo and Osaka, so that was really cool.
627
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Every time they played in England, we got about five
628
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.119
or six shows in England and then the ones in America.
629
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Where else. I mean, that's where we pretty much stick to.
630
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I'd rather see like five in one area than go
631
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the universe all over.
632
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Yeah. Yeah, how is the reception in Japan?
633
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Fantastic? Now? Japanese audience are very different. They're very quiet,
634
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you can hear a pin drop, but then you know,
635
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after the song is over, they go wild. So they
636
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.920
come up to them afterwards with the albums the sign
637
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and they're crying and shaking. It's really cool.
638
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.760
That's cool. Yeah, it's funny. I think we've just become
639
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desensitized in America. We stand around like this like other
640
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countries appreciate I think art music probably a little bit
641
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more than we do these days. Unfortunately, So what other records?
642
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That's that's a really cool story about Sparks.
643
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.639
Oh what of the records? Well, I still love my
644
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.880
Alice Cooper, I still love my Ian Hunter and Mick
645
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:56.840
Ronson and the old Boie and oh cool, and then
646
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.000
you know, all glam Susie Quatro this I always. I
647
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love the Sweet I stick them on all the time,
648
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.039
Iggy the Stooges, Oh my God, live on the Students.
649
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I love Nico, the Vellat Underground, you know, lou Reed
650
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:16.239
of course, the sex Pistols, the Remote like you know,
651
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.559
just there's plenty of bit I'd rather have everything that
652
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:25.840
these bands did than get into fifty new bands, you know,
653
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.920
I just love them.
654
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.039
So you're in the right place.
655
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The right time.
656
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Yeah, a lot of New York.
657
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:38.039
Yeah, definitely, that's very cool. For the early stuff. And
658
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I got to see Sly in the Family Stall and
659
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I saw Stevie Wonder you know, seventy two, seventy three.
660
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I mean, it's a great, great shows the Stalls back then.
661
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.880
In seventy five I saw and I saw Mick Jaggers
662
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do were solo concert at what was Webster Hall, and
663
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.480
that was amazing being right up front for Mick Jagger's show.
664
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.159
What year was that?
665
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That was the Wandering Spirit album.
666
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.920
It was probably in the nineties, the nineties record.
667
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:10.880
And the great Yeah, it was so good.
668
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.599
Who did playing with him? Do you remember?
669
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.519
I could get it to you later because it was
670
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up on YouTube for a while with all the listing
671
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.559
of who played fantastic. Oh my god to hear Mick
672
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with a kick ass band behind him and not just
673
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the Stone, Like the Stones are the Stone, They're great,
674
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.920
but this is, oh my good god, really heavy, really great.
675
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:40.039
Yeah, it's you know those guys. It's like, I'm gonna
676
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.360
put together a backing band. It's pretty much like you
677
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get to pick whatever you want. Yeah, I'll play with
678
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Mick Jagger's Yeah.
679
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Well, you remember when he was on Saturday Night Live
680
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with I think Dave Grohl on drums and I think
681
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.400
they did Painted Black or something. It was like, oh
682
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.880
my god, this is a punk song. This is amazing.
683
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.280
Yeah, it's crazy. It was just it's a totally different vibe.
684
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But you know, mix that has been kind of adventurous
685
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in what he's liked. You know, even you listen to
686
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some of the different changes that the Stones did over
687
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the years. You know, they even got a little disco
688
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.519
at time. Oh yeah, so you know, I always been he
689
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.119
had prints opening for them early on. When Prince was.
690
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.199
I saw Prince a lot of times in the eighties.
691
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:22.400
I was sick.
692
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.159
Uh yeah, I'm a big Prince.
693
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.599
Oh well, that's nice.
694
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.679
Yeah, so you saw prints in the eighties, that's pretty
695
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:34.320
pretty cool.
696
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.480
Yeah. I go and I go by myself because none
697
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.920
of my friends liked him or whatever. And he would
698
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.519
play like he did the Garden with Sign of the
699
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:48.239
Times Madison Square Garden and then and he did the Palladium.
700
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.599
But but I would sneak down from like I always do,
701
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.360
and I talked to all the kids down there, and
702
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.000
they would bring me to the after shows like he
703
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.360
would stop it, you know, eleven thirty at night at
704
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.360
the at the Garden, and then at like one he'd
705
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.639
gone at this little club and played like three hours.
706
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.519
That was even better.
707
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.880
Yeah, well it's funny. I guse I'm in Minneapolis, so
708
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.960
I'd gone to Paisley Park where you would have parties
709
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.719
that you would have those I speaking of slide in
710
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.880
the family Stone. There was one time I was out there.
711
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.320
I was five feet like, have you ever been to
712
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.159
Paisley Park, all Minneapolis. Okay, It's it's got like a
713
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.119
giant sound stage in there, and then there's like a
714
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.320
smaller room and it was in the smaller room and
715
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.320
I was five feet in front of Larry Graham from
716
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.480
slanting the Family Stone and five feet from Prince and
717
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.920
they were doing Sli in the Family Stone songs wow,
718
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.519
and it was insane. And then they did also strange
719
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.320
ballot at Dorothy Parker from Son of the Times as well.
720
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.079
They did that night too, So yeah, he was just
721
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:53.840
that guy was a wizard.
722
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.000
It's just incredible.
723
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.519
Do you have you seen the new slang in the
724
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.320
Family Stone documentary? Yes, they did great.
725
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.400
Yeah, it's always great seeing Sly. I mean I could
726
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.159
just watch him and I just get a kick out
727
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.679
of him, you know, it's so funny. I saw him
728
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.960
again and two thousand and seven because I always vowed
729
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.519
if he ever me and my friend Nicole would always
730
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.760
go in through the eighties and nineties like we got
731
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.800
a fine slide. We just got to find him and
732
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.320
just help him, like whatever. He's just got to get
733
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:28.519
back on a stage. He's like, nah, he's probably just
734
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.119
happy eating his froot loops in the morning, like whatever.
735
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.480
But so he started to speak in two thousand and
736
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.519
seven and he does a few shows. He did two
737
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.400
nights at bb King in New York City. So I
738
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.199
got tickets for the first night, the first show on
739
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.360
the first and maybe it was two shows in one night,
740
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.400
I went to the first show, and it was that
741
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.360
thing where he would come on for five minutes and
742
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.519
go off for ten minutes, and come on for ten
743
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.039
minutes and go off for twenty minutes. I got he
744
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.199
was not but when he was great, he was great. Right,
745
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.039
So I don't know why to get tickets for both shows.
746
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.880
I mean, I think I know why because I was
747
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.960
my boyfriend. I don't want to torture him, and it
748
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.079
was nice enough that he went with me to the one.
749
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.000
So I left and I saw my friend Laurie going
750
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.239
into the second show, and I go, good luck, Laurie.
751
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.480
She's like whatever. So the next day she tells me
752
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.280
he was fantastic. He did the whole show, on the
753
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:25.280
stage the whole time.
754
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:31.039
I'm like, so you picked the wrong show. Yeah. His
755
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:37.119
story is incredible because just so immensely talented, and it
756
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.559
comes through in that documentary when you're watching it, how
757
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.320
just insanely talented that band.
758
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.679
And that's where Prince gets it all from me.
759
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.960
But they had that quote in there about one of
760
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.360
its bandmates was like all he wanted to do twenty
761
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.920
four to seven was play music, And you're like, mm,
762
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.719
Prince even took that from him.
763
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.440
Yeah, I read his book. Did you read his book
764
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.239
that came out last two years?
765
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:07.320
I haven't read it.
766
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.679
No, I've did a review of it. You can read
767
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.079
that and get the whole picture. It's really great.
768
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.639
Is it? Is he all there these days?
769
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:15.760
Like?
770
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.199
Is he pretty? Did he have a ghostwriter with him
771
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.679
or did he.
772
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.960
Helped writing it? But but you could tell it's a
773
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.519
lot of him talking.
774
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.400
Yeah, it sounded like him.
775
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:27.199
It's him.
776
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.800
That's good. Yeah, he's I can't imagine that. I told
777
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:34.280
the drugs took on him because he was at it
778
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.800
for years and years. There's that clip of him in
779
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:39.800
the dock talking in front of the r V and
780
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.480
I'm like, oh, yeah.
781
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.480
There's another documentary on him that a fan made and
782
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.679
it's called Looking for a Sly or Searching for Sly.
783
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.159
It's fantastic. I don't know if you could find it.
784
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.039
I'll see if I can find a link to it.
785
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:54.880
So good.
786
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.760
Where's he living in California.
787
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.840
He's got a little house now. His daughters take good
788
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.519
care of him, and yeah, he's all right.
789
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.760
That's good. Yeah, It's just I think sometimes when you're
790
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:13.760
there are very few you don't want to use the
791
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.840
term very often because it gets overused, but there are
792
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.239
very few geniuses in the world, and I think that
793
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.920
genius can take a toll on your mental health, as
794
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.400
could be seen by Prince It's flying the family stone
795
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.920
and a sly and all of these spolks like that.
796
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.119
So it's it's good that he's out there still trucking
797
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.079
and hopefully he's staying clean. And you know, yeah, I
798
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.119
was just kind of wonder what those folks do. Is
799
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.519
he out like just making music on his own and
800
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.679
not releasing it, or you know, what does he do
801
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:43.119
these days?
802
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.320
You know, I would like to know. They did a
803
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.760
piece on him on like CBS this morning when his
804
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.360
book came out, and it showed him at home with
805
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:56.079
his family and his son, and I'm sure he's just chilling.
806
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:15.719
That was Madelyne Baccaro, author and music of Ficcinado. Really
807
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.480
fun conversation with her and really good insight on Yoko
808
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.760
and Sparks. Haven't had a lot of Sparks mentions on
809
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.800
the podcast and many friends that are very big fan
810
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.239
of Sparks, so I think that was a nice surprise
811
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as well. So thank you for listening this week. You
812
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can get her book online at conceptualbooks dot com, and
813
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.400
she will be signing books at the twenty twenty five
814
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Beatles Fest March twenty eighth, twenty ninth, and thirtieth at
815
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the Hyatt Regency Hotel in New Jersey. So that's coming
816
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.599
up here in just a couple of weeks, and go
817
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.039
visit her, get a book, get it signed, say hello,
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tell her Figure Eights podcast, and thank you for listening.
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As I mentioned earlier, make sure you're supporting John Monson
820
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from Semi Sonic. There's a go fundme due to his
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recent stroke. He's done a lot for local music as
822
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well as music around the world. Come On, Closing Time
823
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was probably the most played song of the year the
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year that thing came out. So support John and thank
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you for listening. From Minneapolis Studio twenty four, this has
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been the Figure Eights podcast.
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God that Suys Brezal agreed, Salon when you go, sus see.
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