Exploring Dogman Encounters

Matthew: Yeah, it's crazy what you find out there in in in the woods and what you see. Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Drunken Cryptids. I'm your host, Matthew Wharton, and a quick shout out to Tommy. Thank you, Tommy, for the doing the editing. And of course, Rustic Supply Co. Make sure you go check them out. They are on Facebook, Rustic Supply Co. If you see the sign behind me hanging up on the wall, that was compliments of them. And the Area 51 sign is in the tavern where I do most of my recording at when it's not a thousand degrees outside. You'll see that's part of their work. They are a proud sponsor of the Arkansas Cryptid Fest. So special shout out to those guys. Make sure you check them out. ⁓ and of course, shout out to Old Barts. Thank you very much for all the support you guys give me over the couple years. Check out the Patreon, you guys got different levels on there. Whatever works out for you, be great for and to buy me a coffee. 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So so be ⁓ be nice to my guess, you guys. I'll tell you that right now. ⁓ events coming up, of course, the Crypto Fest, May twenty second of next year. We have a great lineup of speakers gonna be there. So you definitely want to Yeah, come to it. I mean, ⁓ check out the Facebook page there, ⁓ for the Arsa Cryptofest. The eventbrite tickets are up there. there's vendor spots as of this recording still available. Reach out to drawing your cribs at gmail dot com. Talk to me if you want to be a part of it. And of course I'm gonna be speaking. See, this episode's gonna air in a couple of weeks, so might be right before The ⁓ Arkansas Bigfoot Conference in Vologna be speaking there. And I'll be in Ada, Ohio after that on October third at the Ohio Bigfoot Jamboree. I'll be speaking and on a panel at that event as well. November seventh, we're gonna be up hanging out with Chumming Spirits, ⁓ their wonderful alpaca farm that they were nice enough to find. I don't know how Larry and JD found an alpaca farm to host them, but I can't wait. So that if you're in the Kansas City area guys, make sure you check us out there. And of course, we're going to be at the Arc Superanimal Expo at the end of October. So make sure you check it out. We will be there. We'll have a booth. And I am one of the backup speakers in case somebody can't show up. So enough of that. All right, gosh. I got a great ⁓ one last thing. If you've had an encounter and you want to come on the show, email me, jorking from the gmail.com. Make sure you follow us on all your platforms. I always feel like I'm giving a running long commentary of everything that I'm doing. ⁓ But you guys, I have a special guest. I'm really excited about tonight's episode. I really am. ⁓ I've got Patrick Bryan from the North American Dogman Project coming on. He's going to be talking about some eyewitness encounters, what his team does, what they're doing across the board, the research they're digging into. ⁓ we're gonna have a lot of fun, you guys. So sit back, grab your favorite beverage. It's show time. Patrick, man, how are you? All right man, how you doing? I am like and if there was two of me, I I couldn't be any better. I feel that. I do I because I definitely need two of me sometimes, I'll tell you that right now. So but you know, since we're th shouting out, of course I gotta shout out Jacob and Chris and Tony and Vince and everybody in the backgrounds. And of course some of my good friends show me with the spirits. you'll have to get with them. Of course you need to know Dano from the Crypt Podcast. ⁓ yeah. So super great guy. That was on there a couple of weeks ago. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ since we're shouting people out, I gotta give a shout out to everybody in my region. ⁓ they they make me look really good. ⁓ That's what my people do. Right. It's a tough job, I promise you. But ⁓ they do it. ⁓ yeah, I mean that yeah, my ⁓ yeah, my team I I'm truly blessed to have the people around me. That I have around me with everything that they do. ⁓ I I couldn't ask for better. I mean, I've got offbeat paranormal out there working on merchandise and everything for me, helping out. ⁓ and they're out of Oklahoma as well. So I've got offbeat, I've got so many I mean, I I could go on and on, Miss Monsters and Mullets. But again, Jacob, you know, he's my ⁓ he's my running partner. and and he's probably one of the smartest, dumbest, bravest men. 'Cause to me it takes A lot for a man to walk up to you and go, I'm scared. I don't know how I'm gonna react if something jumps out. And that right there, my respect level for Jacob, every time we go out there and he'll look at me and he'll go, I don't like this. You know, so like two weeks ago, not gonna lie, he was sitting at the front seat of the Jeep going, I'm happy here. Cause it was moving around us. ⁓ Over there, over there. So but yeah. So I give ⁓ props. ⁓ yeah. Yeah, definitely. Actually you let's talk about Go ahead. I was gonna say something I think's kinda funny. ⁓ I know you probably deal with this a lot too when you talk to people, they they they lead off with you're gonna think I'm crazy when they talk about their encounter and it's like they don't realize that we're the ones out there looking for this, so who's the crazy ones, you know? But yeah. Let's see here. Yeah, I'm beside so the no Dogman for me has always fascinated well. So let me back up because I talked a little bit on my live show yesterday about Dogman and some of the intricacies. And what I find fascinating is so for a number of years, Dogman sightings were actually over you know going higher up than Sasquatch sightings were in the country. Mm-hmm. And it seems where everywhere you turn around, there's a dogman, there's a dogman, there's a dogman. And then boom, now if you Google dogman, you're gonna find a cartoon, you're gonna find a comic book, you're gonna find anything other than what you're looking for to you have to get really specific in your search engine to look for this stuff. So I find that so that to me this is kind of a fascinating little ⁓ you know, hmm. got a ⁓ a new individual on our team that is going to get us to the point on Google when you when you type in dogman it's gonna pull up our website ⁓ like the first thing ⁓ which our website is North American Dogman Project dot com all one word ⁓ that we have a lot of evidence out there for everybody to see ⁓ we encourage conversation on it we encourage y'all to question If our evidence won't survive questioning, then it's not really evidence, is it? So we ⁓ we definitely encourage that sort of stuff, you know. Well, you have to. It it was what I find funny too, a lot of people seem to be more head well, not not more today versus what they were like ten years ago or twenty years ago, but still, you know, there's stigma of reporting any kind of cryptid, whether it be a dogman, sash watch, you know, haunted house or whatnot. Because we've taken all of it and put it into the internet and we've done some really great funny videos. ⁓ there's a guy that I follow and what one, I think he's funny, but two, ⁓ he's actually, you know, showing clips of what people have posted, you know, haunting stuff like that. And he's like, Are you stupid for going in there? And I can't think of the guy's name. But yeah, there's pretty horrifying clips out there, but we've turned it into a a joke again. It's always been a joke, but we seem to keep it as a joke instead of kind of tackling some of these issues head on when we believe you know, a lot of our four one one cases as such, you know, involve these cryptids, ⁓ can involve, you know something out there. I mean, it's you know, I mean, people do die and accidents do happen, but when there's a odd pattern to it, there's something to it. You know what mean? Yeah. I mean you're talking about people trying to to laugh about, you know, I'll make a joke out of this again and all that and I I think a lot of that's more coping mechanism than anything. ⁓ especially on we see a lot of investigators that'll what'll crack jokes about the field and I think what it is is it's easier for them to try to crack a joke than than it is for them to sit there and stare somebody in the face and say, Yes, I believe in dogman. Yes, I believe in Bigfoot, yes, I believe in aliens. It's so much easier to be like, ha ha ha, yeah, I'm just playing. You know, and W we with the NADP, we we actually take the the polar opposite approach. ⁓ we've actually brought in a science team. ⁓ we've brought in an analysis group. I mean, we have brought in a lot of people to try to get this out of the realm of pseudoscience to where people are just taking, you know, whatever favorite experts you have's word instead of asking them to produce evidence about what they're saying. And one of the things that we see a lot of is somebody will say that I run across this at least three or four times a year. Or somebody will say that I know what frequency to play to get dogman to come in. And then when you ask ⁓ to, hey, we got a science team, why don't we go ahead and bring our scientists out there, you play that tone, we'll get this animal documented and categorized and problem solved, then we got a lot of help for a lot of people that need it. And it's always, well I don't want to get people hurt or I've heard well, I don't want to see dogman in a cage. You know, I've always you hear upteen excuses when it comes time to to put up or shut up. And we see that more and more and more and more in this field. And that's kind of the not what we want out of our people. And we don't want that out of the field in general. We want the field to be taken seriously. That way we can get to the bottom of what's going on. Whether dogman exists or it doesn't exist or whether Bigfoot exists or it doesn't exist or whatever. At least we get to the truth. No, well, so you you actually you hit a really big ⁓ enigma right there, ⁓ with in the cage or anybody or something getting hurt. And there there comes a point to the reality of the situation when it comes to these cryptos, whether it be dogman, Bigfoot. The only w I hate saying it though, but there's only two ways that we're really going to be able to show to the scientific and the rest of the world community out there that these things exist is either A with a body, whether it be dead or alive. I mean that's that's that's it. Hey. I mean there's there is no B. There's no B plan. I there is a B. I I will say that there is a B. it's kind of a not a great example because it turned out to not be a new species. But if you look at the case of the Billy Ape, they science accepted this animal off of scientists being in the field and capturing f film of these animals. And what it turned out to be a few years later when they got d enough DNA samples is that it was like basically a hyper large chimpanzee. It was like six foot tall or somewhere in that range. So it wasn't like a brand new species out there. But, you know, they had classified it as abiliate for a number of years until they got enough DNA evidence to prove otherwise. You know, and if if that's the case with Dogman then d you know, that's great. At least we can get enough video of it and it's gonna be rough now because AI's a thing. But you know, if you've got a team out there that can catch four different angles of film on the same animal, that that might be a little different, you know, 'cause you're never gonna get AI to match those movements up. No. And you're right. It's like we were talking before off air. ⁓ I was up ⁓ in investigation area last month. and caught a really cool bear track. So and I was like, you know what? I am I'm just gonna run through AI, just out of curiosity. You know, hey, what is this? And because it it the back part of the paw was real really prominent. And AI came right back in and goes, This is a large canine. And I went, I'm sorry, what? I know there's black bear in the area. We've seen black bear in the area And you know, I was like going, Can you give me more you know, they I kept asking, you know, and I even responded back, Are you sure it's not a black bear? And I said, It could be, but it looks more canine than anything. And and I was like, hmm. So I mean I I I mean, to me, and and you know, I'll be honest with you, I'm that kind of guy, 'cause I will share that with you. Cause I I I love I love being that put stuff up on video. I really do. Let's see here. Where did you go? Here we go. Is this it? Yeah, me go ahead and do the share real quick. There you go. It's kinda small on my screen, but I can I I can see it up versus the the tape measure. No, that makes a difference. Yeah, so I get the length of it was about you know eight inches long, and then on the width of it was about you know, about five on the back, you know what I about yeah, five inches. So that's black bear. Yeah, as I said, that's pretty typical of black bear. ⁓ actually, you know, up in Arkansas, y'all had a ⁓ a fatal and c ⁓ a fatal attack either earlier this year or late last year. We've had three recently, actually, within the past couple of years. So we've had three, but w a big one yeah, we did have one ⁓ at one of the campgrounds recently. Yeah, sometime this year is a big one. Yeah, we had w our state rep went out there to check that out and to see if it was actually a black bear incident or something else, you know. ⁓ we actually we we FOIA'd the government a while back for all of their black bear attacks, you know. Because we we kinda have a p hypothesis that they're hiding some some fatalities with animal encounters. one of which was ⁓ in Colorado. We don't know for a fact yet 'cause we didn't have anybody go in that area, but I ran across the story myself. And this gentleman that was attacked was scattered. And that's not a black bear thing. you know, they they cash their food, they'll come back and eat on it. and they'll cash it again, you know, then they're not gonna spread it all over the place, you know. And it just really kind of draws back to honestly to the case that got me into Dogman. ⁓ you know we we talked about this. ⁓ a friend of mine's dad came up missing ⁓ sorry, late July of twenty two. They found him in early August of twenty two. ⁓ he was missing for a total of four days. But his daily routine was as he stayed at this hotel. He would leave this hotel, walk three blocks, go to a f ⁓ truck stop or something, buy a pack of cigarettes, buy a case of beer, go back to his hotel, and that was his daily routine. ⁓ When they found him, he was a half mile in the wrong direction, down the wrong road, about a hundred and fifty yards off the road, up against the wood line. He was scattered and both of his femurs were snapped. Predated upon and no signs of scavengers. Like not even bugs on this guy. And you know, they s his body was so badly gone that They sent up sent him off for an autopsy, ⁓ to try to strip down the bones to find out what happened. And when the report came back two weeks before Christmas in, you know, this town in Texas. And I'm I'm not gonna give away the in the everything involved with it because it is a friend of mine's dad. but that detective, when he got that report, walked out of that police off s ⁓ that police department, never went back, just up and quit. Two weeks before Christmas he has wife and kids. Not exactly something that most married fathers are gonna do right before Christmas. And then I guess an early February ish, they came back and said it was a heat related death. But they're keeping it open. You know. Heat doesn't scatter you. It doesn't snap your femurs. You know, and the and for those that are listening that don't understand, it takes like four thousand newtons of force to snap a femur on a person. That is the strongest bones in your body. none of your average animals are gonna be able to do that. You're you're talking a bear or Maybe a wild hog, but this is interior of a pretty s pretty substantially sized city in Texas in an area that doesn't have pairs. And they're Yeah, they need to ask it. Yeah. I mean I I've looked at it kind of every d which direction I could. And you know, I I worked in the paranormal for ten to twelve ⁓ ten to twelve years and then I retired out of it. And when she told me everything that was going on with her dad's case, I was like, you know I'd heard the term dogman, I like, This kinda sounds like something they do. ⁓ which I'd ⁓ also heard about the Christopher Whiteley case, which is kinda similar, where he left his house, was walking to the road to go get a a ride from a friend of his to go to work at a construction site. He never made it to the road, but he was found a half mile the wrong direction behind his house and ⁓ his throat was torn out and he was cashed up underneath bushes. And Texas Parks Wildlife came back and said that it was a mountain line that did that. And there have been several biologists that have looked into that case and said it's a hundred percent not a mountain line that did that. So some ⁓ some strange stuff, right? Yeah, y yeah. Well, okay, so you first off, I I'm really sorry about your friend's dad. ⁓ just, you know, ⁓ my condolences, so that that's gonna be something horrific. And Do they say they found beer or cigarettes on him? Well with the remains? No, he he was like I don't think he ever made it to the store that day. I think they got him off leaving the leaving the hotel and that was it. Okay, so I'm assuming this hotel wasn't on the outskirts of town or anything. No, it was actually right along a major highway. Like a a major, major highway. Huh, that's so weird. Man. Huh. Huh. But ⁓ okay, so I I ⁓ let me back up a little bit. ⁓ all right, 'cause you were talking about how y'all had petitioned for ⁓ you know, Freedom of Information Act, stuff like that from some of these ⁓ animal attacks. what we have learned, we have an interesting four one case that we're looking into ⁓ here and Chris is amazing at it. ⁓ looked at the years like going, Hey, I'm gonna go ahead and submit the report and and you know, of course they see we you we can you for the sheriff's department and within a day, a day, a day, he, you know, we got, you know, meshes back saying, ⁓ no, it's an ongoing investigation. And we're going, Really? But that so having an ongoing investigation is what is able to protect him from being able to dispose of this information. Prime example, ⁓ a couple years ago in Oregon, these on Christmas Eve These two guys decided to go spend the day in the woods, just kind of, you know, looking for Bigfoot. Never came home. They are found three days later. The cause of death was reported as ⁓ exposure. Okay. And now after they the day they recovered the bodies, that evening the county search and rescue connects was broken into. And if it wasn't nailed down according to the sheriff, it was stolen. All of their equipment for the county sheriff's department even opened up a go fund me to try and get this, you know, their equipment you know finance back. And they did that immediately. So like trying to find the perpetrators who did this, they automatically started a go fund me. I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah, that that's indicative of they knew know what happened to it. You know. But there's never been any names. There these two guys, their names have never been released. ⁓ it's never been made public. That was the last you hear of anything about it was as soon as they started the GoFundMe For it. That's like the the Alicia Maxie case in Oklahoma ⁓ this year. ⁓ they're gonna keep that as an ongoing case so you'll never be able to to get the information on it. ⁓ which ⁓ I don't know if anybody's checked in on it. I've talked about it a few times in the last couple of podcasts I've been on. we're still following that case, you know. Most everybody bet gave up when the the dog DNA came back as the and the the forensics report. And there's a reason why there's dog DNA in there. It's because the dog was laying next to her, so it's transferred. You know, they did they didn't get DNA from her bite wounds, they got it from her clothes that were torn off. So she was This Australian Shepherd, that's what was at this property. ⁓ there was three of the three Australian ⁓ shepherds, two of which had just had puppies, so they were in kennels with their puppies. So the male Australian shepherd was the only one that was left in that yard. And I can assure you I've seen the wounds from Alicia Maxy, I've seen the aftermath of it. An Australian shepherd's hundred percent not gonna do that. You got the right tricep being removed and it looks like a shark took a bite out of her. ⁓ probably eight, nine inches wide. And ⁓ you know, she's lucky to be alive because it it missed her brachial artery probably by about like a quarter inch. ⁓ it was ⁓ very, very close call for her. ⁓ I can tell you that she does not know what attacked her. ⁓ I know that she's come on podcast and said otherwise but when you ask her you you you actually get to ask her. She doesn't know. The police o the police don't know. There's a lot of high stringness going on in that in that particular case. But there's some other stuff going on with it that causes credibility issues. So you're never gonna we're never gonna be able to hang our hat and say a dog man did this. But the more I look at it, the more I start to think that maybe we might be actually be looking at an attack there. ⁓ so Well, okay, so let's let's talk a little bit about that though. So why not what okay, in in your opinion, do you think that they are not acknowledging the potential for dogman to be out there? I think for plausibly for a couple of reasons. ⁓ one of course you're looking at the tourism around our our national parks. I mean that's what is a couple of billion dollars a year for them. ⁓ that's not chump change. You know. if they came out and said, Hey, we got a bunch of these animals out here in our national parks, you know, y'all should still come out. Most people are not. You know what I mean? If if you tell people that there's you know, ten tiger sharks on this beach, are they gonna go swim in it? You know? and then you've also got a couple of different ⁓ hypotheses in there, one of which I tend to agree with. I know a lot of people don't like to to get into the the military may have something to do with these guys. ⁓ but if you look back at Jose Delgado's experiments from the fifties and sixties This man made remote controlled animals. Remote controlled people by inserting electrodes into their mo into their brain and stimulating certain parts of their brain that produce emo emotions. And it was so effective. He's actually on YouTube doing his bullfighting ⁓ experiment where he's got two ⁓ bullfighters out in the ring riling up this bull. He walks out into the the arena the bull starts charging him and he just throws a switch and the bull stops, turns his head and walks away slowly. And he does it like three or four times. And there's y you know, not actual videos from his experiment on this one, but ⁓ it's his ⁓ being read from his notes where he had somebody that was a violent schizophrenic. Now bear in mind this is the fifties and sixties. ⁓ but he had somebody that was a violent schizophrenic. And he has the electrodes on her and she's in there playing a guitar for another doctor. And he throws a switch and she goes from t playing the guitar for the guy to trying to hit him with the guitar to trying to kill him. And then he throws another switch and she begins throwing herself at him like trying to take her clothes off. All kinds of good s you know what I mean? So I mean emotions are some pretty powerful things to mess with. You know, and if you can learn how to control that, you can make an animal do pretty much whatever you want. I I I I I can see that. So, you know, but again for the for the experiments w with dogman, I mean dogman is one of besides Sasquatch, you know, if you looked at you know, throughout history, I mean, it's you know, biblical, pre you know, ⁓ it's all the way through. ⁓ Too many reports of the same thing as a Sasquatch. The difference it seems to be when it comes to Dogman versus Sasquatch is that Dogman seems to have some sort of ⁓ more of a human intelligence about it. And what I mean by human intelligence, for example, right, you know, Bigfoot has no idea this is my cell phone. He has no idea that I'm taking his picture with this. He has no idea that I'm taking his picture and uploading it to the internet, has no idea that I'm recording him with this. Has no clue what this is or is doing. And a lot of people on the other hand, they're like, ⁓ no, they know when I'm going, are they are they Googling themselves enough to hurt anybody's feelings, just my opinion, you guys. But when it comes to nature, Sasquatch is very more intelligent, obviously, than we are. You know, we can't survive out there. I don't say we can't. We're the one ⁓ the only species on the planet that cannot survive without, you know, food and I mean shelter, you know, from the elements. And we're not designed for the elements here. None of us are. Yeah, we have to have shelter. And then we have to have the first thing they always say build shelter, build shelter, build shelter, then food and water and clothing. So clothing falls under shelter. So, but when it comes to dog man, they seem to be a little bit more of ⁓ intelligent. Right. You know, a little bit easier problem solving, ⁓ working a little bit more with ⁓ you know, technology per se. When I mean by technology, I mean like I I think they know what a car is. I mean, they may not know that this is a phone and this is what we're doing with it, but they are more intelligent than, you know, the squirrel. I think actually this is of course, this is not the NADP's official stance on this. It's my opinion. ⁓ I think they can see enough of a spectrum to tell when the camera's on. Like the the little bit of light that it may be casting out or something to that effect. I think they can. can I prove it? No. Hundred percent I can't because we can't we can't see that to know that. But I mean if you you put up an infrared trail cam ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine percent of the time you're not going to catch a picture of a dogman on it. You know? So and, you know, I mean I've seen some really cool pictures from trail cams of Dogman. ⁓ just looking at like Rich McClandish's picture from O C R. that is phenomenal. However, the Dogman ran across a a small trail and You know, the trail cam is a good ways off. So I think maybe that's the only reason why and and the reality of it was is he was never ⁓ Rich was never trying to capture a dogman's image. He was out there looking for Sasquatch, which is happens quite a bit to where you and I both know, you know, if people be out there looking for s for Sasquatch and then go back and look at their their their fit their photos and their videos and stuff like that and spot a dogman later. Mm-hmm. We have a really good one from up in Arkansas, ⁓ where a gentleman is taking a picture of what he thinks to be a tree is a tree structure where the it's a pine tree that's bowed over and stuck into the ground. And he's taking a picture of it and dead smack in the center of it. There's a a bunch of laid up timber and you see a face sticking out from beside the the tree, you know, and it's got two bright eyes. This thing's black as night. It's got some very pointy ears on it. You know, he's probably thirty, forty yards from it. He didn't even see it. I'll send you that one after the show. I'll I'll send you that picture. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna have to. I I want to see that one. You know, because it does make me wonder a lot when I'm out there, you know, investigating and researching ⁓ some of the stuff that we've encountered. I've got a really interesting spot That was nice enough on private property to to be invited to go up and and check out. And it checks out some boxes, but it checks out some other boxes as well. And you know, it it really does. It and and the and the people that live there, they're they're super nice, they're super sweet, and you know, they really want to be, you know, Sasquatch. You know, they they you know, hey, have we seen it? You know, and I'm like, Well, was there pointy ears? Like, no, we didn't see it on pointy ears or I'm like, Okay, you know, snaps, I mean, but you know I we got growled at. I mean literally being in the property owner got growled at. And it was not just a you know a gr. I mean it was not a happy to where he looked right at me and I was like, Hey, look, it's gotta come through that thicket right there to get to us. So we're gonna know it's coming. And this was at dusk and you know, and and that's when I went. So we're gonna go around to see what it was. Right. Yeah. Well I'm I was the first one dead in a horror movie. Did it did it ⁓ hit you with like infrasound? So I got hit once with infrasound. I did get hit once with infrasound, and that was in Bald Nov. And that was a couple of years ago. And that's an experience I really do not ever want to go through again. Our ⁓ our head of s our director of our science division, she's had the same thing happen on her property. And it it's unnerving. It is very unnerving. ⁓ She's she's had quite a few encounters over over the years out there. ⁓ but she's she's an ethologist, so she's animal behavior's her thing. And ⁓ I gotta say she seems to be successfully driving them out away from her area. And ⁓ you know, she's working on an ⁓ an animal behavior almost like manual for for us to to work with. And ⁓ I think it's gonna come in handy for a lot of field investigators. You know, nice. I think it's gonna be honestly, I think it's gonna be cooler than Scott Carpenter's make sure you have a camera on your back. You know. Scott Carpenter, I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I mean w it it what what a genius where I mean I haven't I'm not doing it yet because you know, but GoPros only last for so long. and I I mean they're getting better and better and better, but The anybody out there who really wants to get into research and investigating, I will tell you this. It's like owning a Jeep. Like I own a Jeep. They're lots of fun. And Jeep stands for just empty every pocket. Paranormal and cryptid hunting, same thing. Just empty every pocket. Yeah, it's it's like you think you're on top of the equipment and then somebody else starts running something new, you know? Like lightning lightning detectors, you know. What why would a crypto ⁓ anybody in the crypto field need lightning detectors? Try it. Try it. Yeah. So we're I mean, I'll be honest with you. So like we do a lot with Chummy the Spears and they have a lot of toys. And they had a Geiger counter where we were at back in March. And sure enough, as soon as certain things started happening, that Geiger counter went off. And we were like so I mean it's something after this. After the show I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a hypothesis I have on the Geiger gallery. ⁓ You're gonna have to. Yeah, it it it I think you'll you'll find it very interesting. Ugh. So all right. Here we ⁓ so I was thinking, okay, so the North American Dogman Project, you guys it you're out there to obviously talk to people have had encounters, try and collect evidence, stuff like that, right? And you got involved in s and mapping it out. Okay, obviously, we do need that. I can't remember his name is, but he's working an app right now or has started one, North American ⁓ like Bigfoot mapping project, I can't remember what it was. ⁓ Eric Shalaji from ⁓ the Uncomfortable podcast, ⁓ knows him really well. So ⁓ another great show to check out you guys. But ⁓ when you okay, so everybody loves to hear the encounters. And what is without g divulging anybody's you know personal information or anything like that, please don't do that. What is probably one ⁓ the one encounter that you've had reported that spooked you? Honestly to be honest with you, if if we weren't recording, I would ask you the same question. Honestly, this one this one I think is gonna maybe trip you out a little bit 'cause it comes out of ⁓ comes out of the Clarksville area for Arkansas. Yay. It is our Arkansas State rep that had this encounter. And he's he's actually ⁓ talked about it with Josh Turner. And then Josh Turner released it in one of his books. So but it is it's it's probably an eleven out of ten. so he was going out to a a place where he hunts. And he is not looking for cryptids, he's not doing anything like that. He is literally just stock hunting is what he's doing. got his rifle on it ⁓ slung over his shoulder and he's got a s ⁓ nineteen eleven on his hip and he's walking through the woods and he said it it just comes to a stop. Like he thought maybe his his gun or his backpack or something had gotten stuck on branches. And he goes to yank away and whatever it is yanks back. And he turns around and there's a dog man that's a a little shorter than he is. ⁓ he's six two, so he's just probably about so he's basically looking eye to eye with this thing standing up. And he goes to pull his pistol, 'cause that's the only thing he can think of doing. And he gets the the thought pops into his head, I guess through tele telepathy or mind speak, where it tells him basically if you pull that pistol out, nothing good is gonna come of it. And Common sense took the better of him and he left the pistol alone and probably thirty or forty seconds this thing's just looking him up and down. And finally it points him in the direction that he came from. And ⁓ he was allowed to leave, but it shadowed him out the entire way back to his truck, staying within fifty to a hundred yards, making sure that he got in his truck and left. And ⁓ yeah, that that was That was pretty up there. You know? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. See, I'm the dumb one. I'd have been like going, all right, who's fastest? I mean, yeah, again, first one killed in a horror movie. That's my motto, first one killed in a horror movie. Right. But so but he said it had like a little mind speak with it though. Mm hmm. And honestly, I mean in our organization he's he's not alone. ⁓ you know, I was telling you about our our director of our science team, she's had the same encounter the same type of encounter where it's like directly challenging her through mind speak. You know. ⁓ which she's not cool with us releasing her stories out for everybody just yet, but the eventuality is she'll get to the point to where she's she's free enough to talk. They're definitely Very interesting. You know, it's it's ⁓ a mixture of behaviors that we've seen and a mixture of behaviors that But ⁓ definitely some interesting stuff. See, 'cause my first introduction to dogman, ⁓ d I didn't perceive as a dog man, more of a werewolf. ⁓ so in the army, you know, you're you're you're a navy, so you know when there's downtime, stuff like that, or you have that no b you know, like you know, we're out in the field, whatever. Soldiers always talk about odd things, you know, beer, girls, cars, guns. Yeah, ⁓ religion, ghosts, stuff like that. It always seems to be the same type of conversation. ⁓ a movie or whatnot. And ⁓ so we were actually telling ⁓ it was one night and we were out in the field and just kind of exchanging little ghost stories or whatnot, just kind of you know, you know, shittin' shit. And Cole comes out and he goes Have a story about I'm I'm I'm afraid y'all won't believe me. And of course now at this point, because I've been I've I've been fascinated to stuff since I was a kid. So I'm like, go ahead, share it, share it, share it. So his story it takes place in Ohio. It's a weird, another fun place, everything is in Ohio. He was adopted. ⁓ so it was his adoptive grandparents, stuff like that. And they had ⁓ you know, a little farm, farmhouse, the typical thing. So he was gonna go sit in the night with him and his cousin. They get out there and they're goofing off and they said they're gonna get on the four wheeler, they're gonna run into the woods, they're gonna go to where the cows die. And if you know anybody's ever had cows, there always should be one spot to where cows would just wander off and that's where they're going to die. He said it was dust, it was getting dark, getting the woods got dark, they had the headlamp on, and they came across one dead cow, but it looked like it had been like ripped open. And then he said we saw claw marks on trees. And I was like, So I'm hearing this going, you know, being from Utah, I went, Well, that's a bear. You know, we deal with a bear. Not re realizing that, you know, people in Ohio killed everything in Ohio. and they're they're c they're making a comeback now, but back then, yeah, y y'all in Ohio, y'all know how to hunt. I'll tell y'all that right now. So He said they found they passed another body that looked like the same thing had been torn open, and they're like, Yo, let's get out of here. As they were turning around, the headlight on the four wheeler was, you know, moving across the trees as they were doing that little turnaround. And it hit this as you described about a six foot dark haired bipedal wolf creature. The eye was red until the light hit it. When the light hit it, the eye went from red to black. And that was one of the details that I still remember to this day from you know my time of service of him telling the story. He said they stopped, they were looking at each other, and his cousin just went and gunned it right out of there. So he's on the backseat, he's holding on to his cousin, and he said he could he didn't look behind him, but he could almost tell it was like pacing him. You know, as they were hauling out to the woods. He said they come hauling out of the woods, they run ⁓ you know, they you know, flying in to grandma grandpa's house. Jump off the four wheeler, run inside, they run upstairs, they turn the light on, and he goes, No, turn it off, it'll see us. They turn the light off and they're peeking through the window, all scared, like you know, kids are gonna do. And they said, Out of the out of where the woods where they just came from, a man walked out, looked at the grandparents' house, turned and walked right back into the woods. And Ash was going, Dude, you saw a werewolf. You know, so that was my first introduction to Dogman. ⁓ so we've got a our New Mexico state rep has a a story that's kinda She she had her encounter, she grew up in Panhandle, Texas. And ⁓ this is back in the eighties and they rolled up to this intersection and there is a truck in front of ⁓ that has a camper shell. And you know, back then it was nothing to see people riding in the back of a camper shell. And she said there was two gentlemen in that camper shell. Both they looked like they were Native American. ⁓ one of ⁓ was wrapped up in a shawl. Or both of ⁓ were one of two. And it has very long black hair and she's towards twelve, thirteen years old and staring at And one of ⁓ turns and looks at her, but instead of being a man looking at her, it's got a wolf's face with a a human's eyes. And they just lock eyes for ⁓ for a little bit and then it turns its head back and it's normal. And like she even asked her stepmom who she was riding with, did you see that? See what? You know? But ⁓ yeah, she she had a a a video or not a video but a ⁓ a picture of it kind of done up for us and that that's some wild stuff. That that's some really wild stuff, you know. And you know, New Mexico is kinda where skinwalkers are from, so that's kinda what they're thinking she may have seen, you know. So I I'm glad you brought that up about the skinwalkers and New Mexico and the location because yeah, that region is yeah, the you New Mexico, Arizona go, you know, ⁓ Colorado going to Utah and such, that is where yeah, the skinwalkers, yeah, that's where they are originated from. Now other, you know, ingenious people's tribes, they they had other similar types of, you know, changeling things. But what I found fascinating about the skinwalker ritual If you look so I found a book when I was in ⁓ junior high high school, I used to read this stuff. Again, I was a narrative. I was a yeah, there there would have been a podcast available while I've been a high school kid doing podcasts about this stuff. But but I found a book and it w it was about werewolves and we're going into the description of a ceremony of how that was you were supposed to turn to a werewolf. I mean, with the wolf, you know, wolf skin. Like a fire, there's a whole there's a whole bunch of things that you had to do, a ritual to turn into a werewolf. Aerily similar to what we know of how turn into a skinwalker. So t where you have two cultures an ocean apart, no internet, no newspaper, no connection at all whatsoever, there's no contact yet by made by either civilization who have a s a ⁓ ritual to transform into another creature which are eerily similar. Well isn't it one of the the first cases of lycanthropy in Europe, the gentleman had to put on a belt that was made from wolf skin? Yeah, yeah, so wolf skin was one of yeah yeah so you had to do a wolf skin like belt, had to put it around you. You had to cover yourself in I almost want to say wolf span. ⁓ and I might be getting it wrong. But I remember as as a k I remember being like junior high high school reading this book going not knowing anything about skin walkers, but it stuck with me. You know what mean? Just h how fast it you know, ⁓ wow, there's there was you know a ritual ⁓ why you know now I wasn't gonna do it obviously, but Again. I wish I could find the book, but it was at from your local library. It wasn't my school library. It was actually out out of the library. But yeah, it's just eerily similar to have both, you know, rituals are really similar to each other. Well, I mean the indigenous people here, I mean, they've they've dealt with stuff for thousands of years, but if you really look back into to Europe, they're thousands of years too too, you know? ⁓ you know, it it's easy to to say ⁓ this this side or this side's got more experience with with the either or but the reality of it is is I mean it's kind of like this field in general. Well we don't know enough about dogman to throw anything out. So I cannot discount one entire culture's you know encounters with this because this other one has encounters, you know what I mean? They both can have them. Well the while like what I'm with you on a percent, all over the world has, you know, the cryptus ⁓ f everything from late monsters to Bigfoot to Dogman to fairies and trolls and ⁓ there's named differently. You know, if you look at like, you know, trolls and fairies and stuff like that, I mean the natives over here call them little people. Right. You know, ⁓ so there's definitely, I mean, there's gotta be a relation. ⁓ you know, prime example too, it's just like you know, mankind, you know, we look different depending upon which region of the world we come from. And I the same thing when it comes to these cryptus, same concept, but you know, we're gonna look a little bit different. And that's why yeah, ⁓ I mean, you know, Marco Polo describes, you know, this island and how he was violently go one to hunt with these, you know, dog people. And how I mean they wore like clothes, I mean, yeah, like they had a whole culture, civilization and everything. And just Fascinating. Of course the ancient Egyptians with Anubis. I mean, if you go through, of course, St. Christopher, we're talking about St. Christopher, you know, you know, back in the green room. There's so much that have you looked I I think w we've forgotten more than than we know. ⁓ yeah, a hundred percent. ⁓ honestly I'm I'm not sure how much of it we forgot on accident and how much we were forced to forget. ⁓ but I mean like even if you look into like Alexander the Great where He's saying that he fought wars with and against them. You know? And That's a pretty well documented guy, same way with Marco Polo, you know, same way with your Egyptians and there's ⁓ writings of him in the Indian over in Ind Indian ⁓ country not not you know here. Yeah. But ⁓ you know, if you look pretty much everywhere in our history, every every continent has you know something about them. Except for Antarctica. You know, which I I wouldn't rule out Antarctica, it's just we're not there very much, you know. Yeah. That's a whole nother show right there. ⁓ I I I do love me some Antarctica, ⁓ and and the conspiracy theories behind it. ⁓ I I really do. ⁓ but you you're right. But my again, so you know, I I still kinda figure out I'm wondering why. These these things aren't being acknowledged. And I I I can't put my finger on what the benefit besides like again, you know, here I mean we have the national forest. But we're I mean, if you look at like in Iceland, for example, I mean they still I mean, they will go out of the way for trolls on in in ferry areas on roads. They'll spend millions of dollars that go around instead of going straight through to knock ⁓ over. ⁓ Even over in Nepal and and that area right there, they s they they fully believe that these things exist and that they're all over. I think that or maybe that we're we're hiding them because it'll shake up our history books, which they're already trying to do. Anyways, another show right there. I do know that Cambridge is the first major college that was built and it came it was built before the Aztecs. So these Cambridge scholars It was send their young, you know, at the time, don't get upset, man, into the world. They go explore, do all this and do that, and they get these places and they go and the local people go, Hey man, that's a snake, and they're going, You're right, that's a snake. That's a giraffe. Which I'll be honest with you, the giraffe is more of a cryptid to me than anything else, 'cause it doesn't fit in, it's like the ⁓ anyways, just my opinion on the giraffe. That's a giraffe, you're right. Absolutely is. Well, there's a dog man over there. You're absolutely wrong, and you are stupid. And that's how we viewed the world from that point on. Well honestly, I mean like the the first scholars from from there, ⁓ from Cambridge, I mean, for a long time elephants were considered cryptids. Okopi were considered cryptids, you know, because ⁓ I mean, you're talking about an antelope crossed with a a giraffe crossed with a a zebra, you know, for an Okapi. And you know, that definitely That definitely sounds like some wild stuff, you know, if you don't know what you're talking about or know what they're talking about. Same way with an elephant, you know. ⁓ So yeah. Well the Mountain Gorilla. Yeah. Mountain Gorilla is only recognized a hundred years ago. Right. actually, you know, talking about that, because you know you said there you know there's so many experts in this field, which I tend to believe there there are no such things as experts in the crypt fields. ⁓ no, I agree. ⁓ no, I know, but I mean there's many of them that will claim it. ⁓ Exactly. ⁓ I've I have heard some wild stories from people, you know. ⁓ but you know, they they'll they'll claim that expert hood just so they can try to keep you from a ⁓ ans or asking questions of them, you know? And ⁓ but yeah. That's like I said w we've had some wild ones. I I lost my train of thought there for a second. So well well mostly expert like so every expert that I've met, ⁓ that's out there, is probably they are not even remotely close and you cannot have a conversation or discussion with them. Because they are an expert. And they will tell you, they will tell you right off the bat, they are an expert. so I get on I I've been invited on shows with the research, and you know, here in Arkansas, they're like, Well, you're our local expert. I went, ⁓ let's drop the expert title out of that completely. What you know? And so like when I was on TV, they're like going ⁓ on the on the news here, they're like going, Yeah, you know, Matthew Orton, you know, is ⁓ you know, our ⁓ local Bigfoot expert. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm local. Not an expert. Right. So yeah, I have to yeah, I do not want to be labeled as an expert in this field. Well, it's like ⁓ you know, Jody Cook, he's our founder. ⁓ but he he's been around the fields for forty, fifty years. He'll tell you he's the first one to tell you he's not an expert. You know. We we don't have it figured out. And the the day that we have an expert is the day that we have a Jane Goodall. That's when we have an expert. No, I I agree a hundred I'm a hundred percent with you on that one. You know, because the way I look at it is you when in this field of research, it doesn't matter in the paranormal cryptas and whatnot, you your your theories have to be constantly evolving, constantly changing and willing to change. ⁓ for the longest time I was like, you know, I don't think they get much bigger than seven feet here in Arkansas. I have been proven wrong by my own two eyes. And I still have a hard time letting go of that when I'm out there and I'm getting evidence, I'm going, big tall bastard, stop that. You know what I mean? You're proving you know what I mean? So right it's just the eviden you have to be able to look at the evidence and change your mind about what your belief of what you thought it was before, 'cause they're gonna surprise you. If you get into an expert idea, you're not going to grow with it. I mean, it's just how it is. So well right so we're coming up on an hour because I'll do a couple things I want to hit on before ⁓ we wrap bring it for a landing. But number one is okay, so if people are having issues and stuff like that, how do they reach out? How do they communicate with you guys? And are you guys set up on all the lower forty eight or what's going on with that? We are set up to to run an all lower forty eight. and we're also Starting to get international. ⁓ we're looking at bringing in some very big names from Europe. not at liberty to talk about just who yet, but there's some really cool stuff going on. ⁓ if people want to get a hold of us, the best way is to go to our website, w dot North America Dogman Project dot com. and up in the upper right hand side there's a little tab you can click on that and just Scroll down to hit report sighting. It'll put you in through our email. ⁓ you can, you know, do it that way or I'm on Facebook. I'm wearing this shirt on Facebook. My name's Patrick Bryan. I'm from Longview, Texas. Pretty easy to find me. ⁓ this awesome mustache gives me away, you know. So you know, if if you don't feel comfortable emailing us, just hit me up. I don't care. I mean all of us All of our guys are very approachable. ⁓ we're we're really here to try to help everybody out and get to the the bottom of this and we we encourage everybody to reach out to us any way they can. and you know, you talked about you know, people going through trauma with this. ⁓ our newest group is actually something that I started. It's our witness support group and it's where I've taken people that have traumatic backgrounds and have learned how to heal and they've gone through counseling and whatnot and whatever it's taken to get them to where they are. And they specifically deal with that type of witness that is going through it so they can learn that they're you know, really learn that they're not alone. And then we can put ⁓ in touch with people that are having the same type of stuff to where We can work with them and try to help them get healed. ⁓ makes a big difference, you know. ⁓ it's kind of a surprise that nobody else has really done it yet. ⁓ you know. Not that I've seen anyway. I'm not gonna say that nobody's done anything like this, but that I have seen, I I I haven't seen it. I will say, you know, like that kind of he's he does a lot with that, you know, and ⁓ I I really appreciate him doing that because like I said, I I hear some of these people on these podcasts and it's like y your heart goes out to ⁓ you know. ⁓ so ⁓ but yeah, that's that's No, I say 'cause you mentioned that a and and I'll be honest with you, like I I was saying at the beginning of the show, it it takes a lot for someone to come out and come on and talk. about what they've encountered and stuff, you know. So I'll tell, you like I just told the audience earlier, hey, look, if you don't want to come on and take me, go ⁓ tag me. But leave the guests alone. You know what I mean? De definitely leave the guest alone. Sometimes th like I said, they're ready to go and then it is traumatic. I mean, before I was doing video, I was just doing audio only and y people would choke up. You know, and all you can do is sit there and listen and you know and your your heart does go out to ⁓ you know, for w what the what they've been through. So but I think that's awesome and commendable that you guys are doing that. And it's something yeah. I mean, I would be the world's worst counselor 'cause I'd be going, Do you want to get a beer? I mean my health though, you know? Yeah, my I mean the show is called The Drunken Cryptids, which is funny 'cause, you know, there's not a lot of alcohol involved in this show. I'm drinking a Sprite. I wasn't doing a seven up lemonade earlier. Like I've got Juanitos in here or something like I got some kind of line to the Well, I'm doing a I'm doing a meet and greet on this Wednesday. It'll already happen by the time this episode airs at a really cool place called Funky Stretch Pizza here in ⁓ North Rock, Arkansas. And the whole place is like all the pieces are named after Bigfoot from all over the world. ⁓ there's aliens and UFOs painted murals all over the walls. It's a really unique local little ⁓ small business. They reached out and So we're doing a a meet and greet there and I'm excited. So I will be having a beer there with some, you know, some of the fans and everybody coming in and talking. So I do enjoy doing that. But if I'm at home, nah, I'm either drinking coffee or sugar free Sprite. It is sugar free Sprite. Right. So 'cause I found out that I'm like pre diabetic, so I gotta start working on it. So so there you go. You know, everybody's zero you know, zero sugar. I'm doing it right. Right. You know? So I I I I drink quite a few sugar free stuff too, you know. And I I'm there with you. ⁓ but actually kind of a a a a cool story you were talking about that that pizza place. ⁓ so when I when we were presenting in the Obscuricon ⁓ up in Eureka Springs, like the first place that I noticed when I was rolling from our a hotel to to the the conference ⁓ hall was a little restaurant called the Squatch. And I was like, ⁓ I'm gonna try that And yeah, they closed the day before we got there. It was their last day. I was like, Man I so so felt like I was robbed on that one, you know? Well, so i the funny thing is, so this is what I've learned. All right, so i and i well, you know, I saw you bringing for landing but this is what I love about the show. ⁓ you know, ⁓ Ronda. Small towns so l i here in Arkansas, small towns, like when I go to some of my areas, we go through some small towns and everything. You'd be surprised the amount of Bigfoot you see out there. Bigfoot signs, Bigfoot this, Bigfoot that. Now, here in town, you yeah, you'll see some bumper stickers, you'll see stickers, stuff like that. But they're not flying at their house. They're not having you know, I mean they're not a lot of it here because and so my kids, you know, ⁓ pointing it out, we're talking, and I was like, well, the reason why they have ⁓ I believe, is because they're seeing ⁓ And so and up there in Eureka Springs, which is a paranormal hotspot. I mean, you have one of the most haunted loc hotels in United States up there, the Crescent Hotel, which is haunted, and I I can vouch for that personally been there. So ⁓ yeah, why not have a place to squatch? You know what I mean? Right. And it will sell. I don't know why the clothes, but it'll sell. It's like ⁓ Jefferson, ⁓ Texas I live like I don't know thirty, forty minutes from there. ⁓ you know, for a long time they were like a paranormal hot spot. And then it just exploded into Bigfoot. And ⁓ like ⁓ Craig Woolhear puts on a ⁓ an event there every year, ⁓ usually a lot of black birds there and you know, several other people. And Yeah, so my friend's gonna be there this year. ⁓ yeah. Yep. ⁓ yeah, some my buddies are coming out there. ⁓ who are ⁓ I'm thinking Super Dave's gonna be one of them, isn't he? I haven't I haven't looked at ⁓ the thing on it yet. I know Craig. I I got Craig on face see now I'm pulling it up. Let me let me look Craig up real quick. I wanna make sure I'm getting the right of right people out there for the right event 'cause there's so many of ⁓ out there. So if I was screwed up I apologize. I am human. Sharking, I know. That was to the audience. Damn. I do a lot of Craigs. I've got Craig on I've got Craig on Facebook too. Here, where is that event? Did it happen already? no. ⁓ yeah for twenty six I think it had. No, no it hasn't. It it happens in October. Okay, that's okay, that's what I thought. So I'm trying to look to see here. Where's the event? He hasn't posted the event in a while. Craig, if you're listening, you gotta fix that. We're on your Facebook page, Craig, trying to find your event. I really hope he's laughing. Right. He's probably cursing me out right now. You sorry SOB. Where's your event, Craig? Okay. Wow, Craig. Scroll and scroll and scroll in. Trying to think. But yeah. ⁓ if it's the one I think it is, 'cause there's a couple of ⁓ I got like Super Dave going to some speaking at. I thought this was one of ⁓ he was gonna be going to. Daniel's going to one in Texas, isn't he? Coming the one to Texas, Dano is? No, he's going the Missouri. No, he's going up there the Ozark. The one up in the Ozarks. Yeah, I I'm booked that weekend. And so Dano took my spot. The one up there in the Ozarks. ⁓ and she's a super nice lady that runs that too. Or is it that history? ⁓ this is no. Totally different, Craig. Alright, Craig. I'm gonna give up the search. Alright, so but ⁓ no. Alright. Well Patrick, brother, I appreciate you coming on the show. And before we wrap it up, I do want to thank you, because we'll make the official formal announcement that you are going to be one of the public speakers at the Arksar Cryptic Fest coming up on May twenty second. So I'm excited you guys could have a booth and everything set up for people to come and talk to you guys. So I how exciting is that? Very. ⁓ like I said, ⁓ I'm probably gonna bring a co presenter with me. ⁓ Kinda hoping one of my state reps will jump in and ⁓ if not, then I I know some other folks that would There you go, I throw stuff at Right. Yep. I I like to I like to grab people out of my region to help kind of get ⁓ out into the limelight a little. And ⁓ I mean they they deserve a spotlight. You know, they really do. ⁓ my my region, I I I would do nothing without ⁓ you know, they're they're my eyes and ears on the ground everywhere. And I know that there's none of them that I couldn't reach out to and say, Hey, I need you to go investigate this spot and they would go they wouldn't go. You know what I mean? They they would be there within, you know, a couple of days. So I really do like that. ⁓ my guys really work well. ⁓ I've got a a gentleman that's a pilot that has offered his plane to us to use when we need to. ⁓ you know, it I've got a really good group of guys. And like There you go. Well yeah. I I knew you're talking about. I I so three of my state reps are ⁓ well two of my state reps at this moment are are ladies, my Texas state rep, which is Chris Tucker, and then Johnny Jones, which is my New Mexico State rep. And we have Pat Harrison joining ⁓ sometime soon, and she's going to be my Louisiana state. Sweet. Yeah. Well, congratulations to her. That's awesome. Right. Yeah. I'm excited about her. ⁓ man, see what a cool little thing you guys go check him out. Go check the website, you guys. ⁓ give them as much support as you can. ⁓ so it is drunk encrypted approved because Patrick's gonna be a speaker at the Ursa Encrypted Fest. And ⁓ truly ⁓ you know grateful that he is offered to do that. So ⁓ I ⁓ thank you very much for that. ⁓ be a lot of fun. So nobody got a chance to visit with you doing this, but I need to shake your hand coming up here in May. Sounds good, man. So I appreciate you. All right, brother. Ever thank you for coming on the show. Everybody make sure you go check out the North American Dogman Project dot com website. ⁓ check them out. Check ⁓ out. ⁓ you guys have a Facebook page as well, don't you? Yes. Yeah, we've got one for the USA, then we've got one for each region. We have five regions, and then we have each one for each state. So however specific you want to get. There you go, guys. Dig into it. Go have fun with it. ⁓ you know, give show ⁓ some love and support. ⁓ thing pet for coming on and sharing some of the ⁓ you know the few encounters. And if for everybody out there wanting to know why we didn't go into more of the stories is because it's you know, these are encounters that people have had. If you notice, we talked about one of his reps. We didn't talk about Bob and Sally down the street. But definitely want to get the name out there. And I'm sure he'd, you know, in person maybe be like, you know, yeah, this one couple did this, but you know, I'm not gonna try and give too much information out there, nor what I want to breach. Any kind of confidentiality that these, you know, the people are going through were kind enough to, you know, propose on to the North American Dark Man Project. So with that being said, you guys, thank for tuning in to another episode. I appreciate it. Continue to like, share, read the reviews, and buy me a coffee. Man, I'll take it. And I can't wait to see you guys at the events. ⁓ so yeah, here's a missing and good beer. Y'all stay safe.