Distortion Analysis - Episode 10

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Welcome to the store and analysis.
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For each episode we discuss various topics of music news, bands on tour, and share album reviews all focused on heavy metal.
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Here are your hosts, Sean McKnight and William Rizzo.
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We are back.
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And this is episode 10.
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Double digits, my friend.
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Wow.
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Yes.
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This is a truly momentous moment.
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It is.
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We have hit we have hit double digits now for our episode.
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Momentous moment in metal music.
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It is a momentous moment in metal music.
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I agree with that.
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Magnificent and malicious.
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And momentous and malicious.
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Yes.
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And metal music.
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Oh, yes.
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Happy to still be here.
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Happy to still be doing it.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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So so far, so good.
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So what?
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So much fun.
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So yeah.
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And I don't know if you had a chance, but if you had a chance to log into our analytics stuff, um, we've got listeners in Venezuela, Brazil, Qatar.
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No kidding.
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Yeah.
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And we got uh we got hits from all those different countries.
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That's badass.
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Argentina, too.
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Argentina's that's badass, man.
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Yeah.
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So it's just like I was looking at it, going, oh, we got some listeners in other countries.
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So that's kind of cool.
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So just well, if those folks are listening right now would just like to say, howdy do, thank you very much.
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Welcome.
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And thank you for listening.
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So, yes, so much.
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All right, so we're ready to get into the topic of the episode.
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Let's do it.
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All right, here we go.
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So this episode's topic uh was uh shock and metal, like you know, bands that do stuff for shock value, stuff like that.
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Uh when do they when do they go too far?
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Uh, this is kind of like there's a recent uh controversy about this, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to bring this up.
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Um and I guess one of my things about it is are they really serious about what they're doing?
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Like, do they really mean it?
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Or is it just like all show for attention?
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Like, is it a gimmick, right?
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So what came to mind when I presented that that topic to you?
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Um actually certain conversations that I had had with people over the years about this actual topic.
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Um basically they're they're personal recollections of some of the shock artists that are out there.
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Um, so for example, the guy who introduced me to the Ramones and uh the Vapors, which we talked about.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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I want to talk about them too.
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So just heads up to them.
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But I didn't listen to them, so I'll shut up.
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Go ahead.
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No, well, I we would talk about music all the time when he wasn't busy cooking shit.
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And so uh one day he says, Um, are you into like harder punk?
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And I'm like, Well, I like metal mostly.
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And he goes, Oh, well, you probably don't know this band, but I went to go see a band last night called the Plasmatics.
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Oh yeah, and I'm like, Okay, who's that?
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And he goes, It's just a punk band, but the front person uh of it is Wendy O uh Williams.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And uh he goes, so I walk in the venue and she's up on stage wearing like next to nothing, and she's uh standing over like what looks like a some kind of I don't know, body or something.
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She's fucking sawing it in half as soon as he walked in.
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I said, Did you stay?
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He's like, Yeah, yeah.
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I mean I wanted to see what was gonna happen.
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Yeah, so that was funny.
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That's crazy.
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Uh it all it so there was another point a few years afterwards after I had moved out to and I was talking with a guy who we'd started talking about Gigi Allen, uh who you had mentioned, and uh he he told me that I had never heard of the guy before.
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Um I had no idea.
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So he just says uh the craziest shit that I ever saw was going to see Gigi Allen in concert.
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I'm like, who is that?
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He goes, Gigi Allen.
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He actually saw Gigi Allen.
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Oh my god.
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He saw Gigi Allen and he said, uh, this guy like goes crazy.
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He jumps off the stage, he starts punching people, um, he's you know, cuts himself and then smears himself with blood and all kinds of body fluids.
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And uh I'm like, you what?
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You know, I'd never heard of anything like that.
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And he goes, uh I'm like, I thought you were gonna tell me that he was like, you know, when you said like like uh like up this guy was a punk rocker, I thought you were gonna talk about like like Sid Vicious.
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He goes, Oh no, no, this guy was not like Sid Vicious.
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He said, uh, I watched him pull down his shorts, take a shit on the floor, and then pick up his shit and start flinging it at people.
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Oh, I've already did that, yeah.
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And he said, That was the only time in my life where I felt truly afraid.
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Wow, no kidding that show because it was so unpredictable and out of control.
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Yeah.
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So have you been to a show like that?
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Did you go to a show where it was just like that out of control?
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No, I mean I've seen you know, so let's talk about it.
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There's a difference between the shock of staged theatrics, right?
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Where they're following kind of like a pre-ordered script.
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Yes, like the example that I'm thinking of is when I saw exhumed last year.
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Oh, okay.
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What did they what did they do?
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They they have a little bit that they do where the guitarist uh goes through a mock execution of the heading.
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Oh.
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So they they have a little guillotine that they have up there, and he puts his head through, and the blade comes down and the head falls into a basket.
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And you know, I mean they've rehearsed it a million times.
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Does it look does it look cool or does it look realistic?
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Oh yeah, no, it doesn't look cheesy at all.
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Okay, wow.
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And and then um the guy the there's there's they have like this uh this guy, this mad scientist, mad doctor with uh you know medical scrubs and a mask, and he's constantly like looking at you and he would like pick up the head and swing it around and all kinds of you know, everybody would get drenched in blood.
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Uh-huh.
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Um, you know, and I I I was laughing the whole time.
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I got hit with the blood, but it was still fun.
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I'm guessing they got some of that from Alice Cooper because Alice Cooper used to do that.
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That's right, right.
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So, you know, there's a lot of stage theatrics, and I was gonna bring him up, right?
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Alice Cooper also like Kiss.
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Yeah.
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Um I don't know that I would put Ozzy in that.
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No, yeah, no, I don't know.
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Like I yeah, I don't know about that.
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He didn't he never seemed to go that over the top.
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It was like there's stage props and stuff, but he never he never, I don't think, got too involved in theatrics himself, like costumes and stuff a little bit, maybe, but nothing like too crazy.
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Well, I was thinking about the bat episode, the interesting thing.
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Yeah, the bat, yeah, yeah, the bat episode, but yeah, but that was not scripted, and that's why I don't think that he belongs in that group of no, I wouldn't no, I wouldn't categorize him in that group either.
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You know who I would put in the category early on would be Bowie.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because I mean Bowie when he yeah, when he came out as Ziggy Stardust, people were like, what the fuck is that?
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And then but it was this character, and it was like one of the first times that you know somebody took it to that level of theatricality, but not the way I didn't think, but but he didn't I never thought he was going for shock though.
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I always thought he was going for art.
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
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You know what I mean?
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So I don't think he was trying to shock anyone any more than anyone.
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No, I don't think so.
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I think that's just was his artistic vision.
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Yeah.
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So now going back to the shock value, do you think there's uh value in that, or do you think it diminishes the band's I I'm sure it depends on the band, but overall, do you think it's something it takes away or do you think it's something that adds?
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First of all, it it totally depends on the band.
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Right.
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Uh you know, you can't you can't put a Gigi Allen performance on the same shelf as Alice Cooper.
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Right.
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It just isn't the same.
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Um because with Gigi Allen you felt a sense of real danger being around true.
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Well, also let's let's mine into that for a second.
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Do you think if Gigi Allen didn't do that, would he get would his music been enough to carry his career?
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Oh, that's a good way of framing it.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like take out the shock, leaving the music just like if he was just like a regular performing kind of guy without scaring shit on himself and punching people in the audience, would he have still like let's say even just as a punk artist, would he have still had the same carried the same weight or had the same legend or drew the same amount of people?
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Do you think that would have happened or no?
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I I th I don't think he would have been less popular because his music and his lyrics were were actually quite um you know, just just angry.
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Um I think he, you know, in true punk fashion, he poked fun at, you know, uh uh orderly society.
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And uh, you know, uh just look at the song titles of offense.
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But you know, if you took away the the craziness aspect of it, you'd still have a lot of people going to those shows because he was a true punk.
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If he never got the stage and he all he did was, you know, shake his fist while he was going nuts on stage by himself and it didn't disrobe or anything like that.
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Uh people would still say, Man, he's fucking great.
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Okay, he's fucking great at what he does.
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But I know that there's at least a section of those fans that went specifically to see the the craziness for the chaos, just to see what happened.
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Yeah.
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Because there's a lot of people in society that vibe off of that shit.
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Oh, they vibe off of chaos, they vibe off of instability and violence, yeah, and it just tickles a funny bone in them that you wouldn't get at a different show.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, no, I mean, even to the point where they don't care if the show gets shut down.
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Because I've been I I've I was I've been to shows where they got kind of crazy, and the the the worst show I was ever at where uh like SWAT team rag gear showed up.
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I mean, like oh shit, yeah.
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It was in Allentown, it was a Pungent Stench and Acid Bass show.
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No shit.
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Well and Pungent Stench was head headlining, and right in the middle of their set, well, actually, just at the beginning of their set, a bunch of skinheads showed up.
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Oh they just kind of like and and what and what the shitty part is nobody noticed them right away because they kind of like showed up in the middle of the of the show and they kind of like slowly kind of weaved themselves themselves into the crowd, so they spread out across the whole crowd.
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We didn't nobody knew, and then all of a sudden, right in the middle of Pungeon's set, they went fucking crazy and then started like they basically started a riot.
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What to the point where the set got shut down, the cops showed up in riot gear, the whole thing was cleared out.
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I mean, yeah.
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It was like that.
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So they Pungeon never finished the set.
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Damn, but yeah, so but that's but that's but they were there to soak chaos.
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I mean, that's what they were there for.
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Yeah, that's fucking bullshit.
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That's all it was.
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That's all it was.
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That's all they gave a shit about.
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Just show imagine flying from all the way from fucking Austria, right?
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Exactly.
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I know, so yeah, Punch and St.
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Like they they they held in as long as they could, but they played maybe four or five songs, and then that was it, they were done.
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Wow.
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Over, then everybody's outside, and the cops were there, whatever.
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So yeah, it was a it was a freaking mess.
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But yeah, there there are people like that, they just show up to fuck shit up and they just want you know, chaos, and that's it.
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And what kills me is they pay to do that, they pay to come in to cause that mess.
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So it's just like it costs money, and then you make the effort to get there, and then you know, and that's what they want to do.
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Yeah, it's just doesn't matter, it's in furtherance of that goal.
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Yeah, it makes no sense.
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So now what were some of your favorite shock bands and why?
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Uh I was always honestly more into the music than I was into any kind of shock performances.
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There's different levels of theatricality, right?
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So when I went to see AC DC, I was looking forward to Angus's solo with that he just takes just by himself where he walks out into the middle of the crowd and going nuts and shit.
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Um yeah, I mean, I don't know that I really went to go see anybody for the shock value of it.
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Even even the the heaviest, fastest bands I ever saw, I didn't go for the shock value of it.
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Even seeing Slayer, yeah, yeah, you know, and and they're like they're pretty fucking intense, man.
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Oh yeah.
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But part of what makes their performances so nuts, or what did was they're they're fans, yeah, big time.
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They're fans crazy threw gasoline onto that fire.
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Yeah, big time, you know.
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Um, but yeah, I don't really I don't really know that I have bands that I've seen that I want to go see because of.
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I knew what was gonna happen at the exhumed show because I cheated a little bit and I watched a former show on YouTube.
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Okay, gotcha.
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And I said, Oh, okay, well, maybe I won't be up close to the stage.
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I was up close to the fucking stage.
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And wrenched by the blood.
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And I was like, man, if I get pulled over going home tonight, I get a lot explaining to do.
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It's probably got some splaining.
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Probably gonna take me a little longer to get home.
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So uh have you ever seen Guar Live?
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No, actually, well, you've never seen Guar.
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Oh no, they played they played one of the Milwaukee Metal Fests that we went to.
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Okay.
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I don't remember it might have been the year that we played the Metal Fest, which was 96, and they must have played on Saturday night, and we played on Friday, and I don't know how long we stayed around on on Saturday, I don't remember.
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Okay, yeah, but uh yeah, I think that was like the only chance I got to see them.
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Have you ever seen them?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I've seen them.
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Um, like uh I saw him in Lancaster, Pennsylvania at the at this club called the Chameleon.
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And um, yeah, it was like uh uh I got punched right in the face in the pit.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah, that sucked.
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And then and you get wet.
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No matter where you are, you're gonna get wet at a GWAR show.
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Right.
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So you don't wear, you know, you never wear people wear white shirts intentionally to come out of it with almost like a tie-dye thing when they by the time they get out of it.
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So because you're getting hit with all kinds of I don't even know what the liquids are, I have no idea what they are.
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So no.
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Well that was a bit salty.
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Yeah, uh better to not ask questions, just don't so but Guar was one of the reasons why I chose uh I wanted to go into the subject because they got in trouble recently with the conservative crowd, because one of the things that they've been doing on their on their recent tours is they've been staging these executions of Trump and Elon Musk on stage.
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Oh, I yeah, yeah, where they have somebody come out and like a character and then they kill them on the stage.
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Now, the the the MAGA crowd and the conservatives are all bent out of shape about this, and they're going, how can they do this?
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and blah blah blah.
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But what they don't realize is Guar's been doing this.
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This is not like it's not new just because of Trump.
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They did this all the other past presidents, too.
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Oh, so it's not something that's new, it's just that it's just now it's gotten a lot of attention because of the recent like conservative again, you know, uh uh you know attention they got on this, and guar's just kind of like me, you know, they don't give really really give a shit.
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But it's but it's interesting that they got some national coverage out of this, yeah.
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So so it's definitely helping their you know their their uh their PR bit.
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So sure, but but they're but they're also have been making political statements like that for a while, and it's part of what they do.
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But I don't know, I I like their shows, I think they're fun to watch, they're very cartoony, but they're also like one of those bands that you kind of go for the theatricality.
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Exactly.
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Music's don't get me wrong, music's great too, but they're definitely something you're anticipating, like I gotta see this show.
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Yeah, yeah, and that their music is actually not bad.
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No, it's really not, yeah.
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And they're they're very good at playing it live with those hugely ridiculous costumes on.
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I don't know how they do that.
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Oh my god, and I've seen I've solved them live and they were tight, man.
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Yeah, and and I don't know how they can even see their freaking guitars with those big helmets and shit on.
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They're probably wet half the time from all the shit that's spraying up there.
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So between the wet and the costumes, everything else, man.
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Yeah, so you gotta, yeah, you gotta give it to those guys for really um, you know, for really being able to hang in there with all that shit.
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So there's no way that anybody can make the case that they they need should be forced to stop the mock executions because it's you know, last time I checked, it's free country.
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It's parody, so they can do it.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah, it's parody, right?
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Exactly, because that's that's the fine line.
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If they were trying to stage it like it was a real thing, then they can get in trouble for threatening the president.
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But the fact that it's all parody and and fucking look at them, you know what I mean?
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So it's not like they don't look like who's gonna take that seriously, exactly.
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I just would wish it would be great if they got sued and then show up in costume in court.
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Oh, how amazing would that be?
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That would be like the fucking tip of gore 2.0, right?
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Totally, 100%.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Um, what was the most shocking thing you've ever seen at a show where you were kind of like, damn, I can't believe that just happened.
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Oh actually, it was um we're watching body count play, and it back in Milwaukee, I don't remember what year, and my uh girl I was dating at the time and I was standing kind of about halfway back in the crowd, and that this the stage had over it um the lighting structure of the two towers, the two light towers, and then the beam, you know, the thing going across the top.
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Yeah.
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And somehow I th I find this, you know, we're going back like 30 fucking years, but if I remember correctly, there were people climbing on those towers, and so the towers started to tip back towards the crowd.
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Oh and a bunch of people rushed the the the two sides of the you know where it was coming gonna hit the fucking crowd.
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And Ice T and this this caused me to have so much fucking respect for him.
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He instantly launched into pep rally mode.
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They stopped the music and he was like, get your fucking backs into it, hold that and push it back up.
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That's it, you got it, push that thing back up.
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And uh they did.
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I, you know, there were I mean, there must have been like dozens of dozens of people pushing it back up shit, and so finally they they got one of the light gaffer people or whatever they call them to climb up to the top and actually connect it, you know, like tied up with rope to the ceiling so it wouldn't do that again.
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Whoa, but I looked at the group the girl I was with, I was like, I ain't never seen nothing like that before.
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You always watch people get fucking smushed.
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I know that's crazy.
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Oh my god, that's awesome that he stopped in the middle and just is like, all right, we gotta fix this thing.
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So and then that's what they did.
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He was very inspirational.
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I remember that.
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And I say, That that that guy's a good dude.
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That's awesome.
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Wow, that's yeah, that's that's intense.
00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:28.079
Yeah, that's and if you think about it, that's how Curtis Mayfield got paralyzed.
00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.079
Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that.
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This was like 1998 or something, yeah, yeah.
00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:39.519
But I think that he got hit by uh like the lighting on stage and it paralyzed him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Lived for a few more years and then uh that's right.
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I forgot all about that.
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Yeah, I mean, those kind of accidents can happen, so that would be shocking to witness live.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, well, the uh the only other thing I could think of is like it was actually at a Grateful Dead show, and the people who followed this podcast that are my friends, they've heard me say this story several times.
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It was the year in 1995 when there was a riot that broke out.
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It was the show at Deer Creek in Indianapolis, and there's a wooden fence that goes up around the the the back part of the the field.
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So uh you know the thing about dead shows, it's like most of most of the people are there to just do tailgating, uh hang out in the parking lot.
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Do acid in the parking lot, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um and so that was what we were doing that particular year because we couldn't get no tickets and walking around.
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And it's it's crazy because I was I was walking with a buddy of mine that uh had driven out from New York and we're what he's he's carrying a fucking loaf of bread and a thing of American cheese, and he's like, I gotta find someone that'll make me let me make a grilled cheese sandwich.
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And I'm like, man, where the fuck are you gonna make a grilled cheese sandwich at?
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We're at a Grateful Dead show.
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And all of a sudden he goes, Oh, look, that dude over there has got a toaster, and we go walking over to this dude, and the guy who owned the toaster was another friend of mine from a different part of New York, and I looked at him like, Josh?
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And he goes, William.
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So for the next 10, 15 minutes, we were laughing and making grilled cheese sandwiches.
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Why did he have a toaster?
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I he was making food and selling food.
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So, you know, my my buddy was like, you know, hey man, do you mind if I use that for like two minutes to make a sandwich?
00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.519
Sure, man, go ahead.
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It's pretty fun.
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So, like 10, 15 minutes later, we're standing there, and all of a sudden I hear I see people start running, like full speed running, and I start to hear people screaming, like, the fence is down, the fence is down.
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And I was like, what?
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And I could see off in the distance if like the the ground went up to like a hill, which you know, the the the whole stage area was surrounded by this kind of hill, maybe 25 feet tall or whatever.
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And so people were running up the side of this hill, and they had knocked down a huge portion of the fence.
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So that they could get into the the general admission area.
00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:03.839
Oh, wow.
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You know, with the the the the lawn.
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The lawn yeah yeah yeah behind where all the seating was, right?
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Right, right.
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And so I took off running.
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I'm gonna go fucking go in because I'm gonna fucking go in, right?
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So by the time I got up there, the cops started showing up.
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Oh and they started shooting tear gas at everybody and it was it got really nasty, man.
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It was bright I've ever been in.
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The only one I ever want to be in, you don't want to be in one of those fucking because there's no rules.
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:36.960
Yeah, right, right.
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So uh, but I remember standing there and I lost track, I lost count of how many cop cars were turning into the parking lots from the main road after like 60.
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Holy shit.
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It was a veritable army of police that showed up for that.
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So I very quickly left that area.
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But yeah, that was probably the craziest thing.
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And that wasn't it, that wasn't a metal show at all.
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That's not did they even play?
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:05.279
Oh, yeah, they were in the middle of the concert.
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.400
Oh, they were in the middle of the concert.
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.319
Okay, I just wasn't sure if they were even gotten to that part.
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Wow, Jesus Christ, that sounds nuts.
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Holy shit.
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I guess people found like a weak spot in the fence and pushed it down.
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It's on YouTube if you if you Google uh Grateful Dead concert uh riot uh Indianapolis, uh Deer Deer Creek.
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I'm gonna look that up 1995.
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I think you know, yeah, there's several like old newscasts of it because we watched it about a year ago.
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Wow.
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I said, Oh man, I was there.
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That was fucking crazy.
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That's nuts, man.
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Wow, that's wild.
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Um well mine is um My Crazy.
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Yeah, well, my craziest event, and I've seen like black metal bands like Mayhem perform with like severed pig's heads on stage and shit.
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:56.799
Oh so I've seen stuff like that, but um no, the one that stands out is actually not a concert, it was a it was a music conference in Philadelphia.
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There's this uh music conference in Philly called the Philadelphia Music Conference, it was in the 90s.
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So, and I used to help uh work on that conference.
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I helped uh coordinate a little bit, I helped uh set up a heavy metal lunch, and I was involved as a volunteer and stuff like that.
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:18.799
And anyway, I was attending this one event about it was actually about shock rock bands, so it was kind of like this event, kind of like about the talk topic of what we're talking about.
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:25.920
And on the dais, they had some journalists, a dude from Spin, uh, there's a dude from uh I think Rolling Stone was there.
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:38.240
So they had these different magazines that were up there, and then they had a couple bands, and among the bands was uh was Merle, the uh the uh uh brother of Gigi Allen from the Murder Junkies.
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Interesting now.
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At this point, Gigi was already dead, so this was just the murder junkies still traveling on as the murder junkies.
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Yeah, so they had this, they were talking to them, and Merle was sitting up there, and uh, I believe his guitarist or bass player somebody was up there with him, and they got into this sort of discussion well uh discussion debate, I guess, or fight is what I've devolved into with the with the spin guy, the spin magazine guy, and there's some you know, some disagreement about you know just the validity of what they were doing and whether it was real you know art or not, or whatever the hell it was.
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:20.960
And they got in this whole big thing, and so uh basically what Merle did was at one point he stopped this sort of debate that they were doing.
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Him and the guitarist, uh the other guitarist that was there, they stood up and they signaled the the drummer who was in the audience to come up with them to the stage.
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Now the guitarist, or I'm sorry, the drummer walks up, he's wearing uh like sort of like a dog collar, and he's completely naked besides that.
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So he walks up to the stage, they they put him in front of the dais, they bend him over, and they shove a beer bottle up his ass.
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Damn.
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.480
Then they pull the beer bottle out and they spray it in the crowd and they start drinking.
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Yeah, and then at that point, the crowd is clearing out, and chairs are starting to kind of get in motion.
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.480
So yeah, so they're basically trying to decide a riot.
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:16.559
That's so yeah, and everybody's like, Whoa, because you talked about these riots, and it felt like that no rules thing you were talking about because when the first flare first chair got thrown, everybody's kind of like, Okay, what's this happening?
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:17.519
How far is this gonna go?
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.039
Luckily, it kind of stopped right away.
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:24.240
It sort of settled down pretty quickly after that because security was like right there, they kind of came in really quick, yeah.
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:43.759
But they got this close to kind of like inciting a riot because they were I what I what I gathered that they were doing, it seemed like they were intentionally trying to like really you know enrage people, not only just with the debate that they were that they were kind of having, but then this demonstration that they had, and and they were kind of like it was like they were trying to pick a fight with everybody.
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:49.279
So, and you know, and it got to that point where it was that close, and then you know, luckily it stopped after that.
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.599
But then, you know, that was the end of that panel.
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.039
Yeah, where were you in this all uh hubbub?
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.920
Um uh it was in a conference room in a hotel in Philly, I don't remember which one.
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:08.240
Um, and I was like uh the dais was here, and I was just to the left of it in like one of the first two rows, so I was like right up front.
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:08.960
Oh shit.
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.480
Oh yeah, I was like right there for it.
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.559
So you got sprayed with the ass beer.
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.559
Uh a little bit.
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.839
So yeah, there was a little bit of I I remember ducking.
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:19.359
Yeah, I remember something hitting me.
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:20.720
So yeah, I think I got sprayed with the bigger.
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.559
Oh geez, and then when it hit you, you heard.
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.960
Uh but yeah, that was like uh that was that was shocking.
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.880
So, you know, so that happened.
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.960
Yeah, uh I can't say that's on my list of to-dos.
00:27:38.880 --> 00:28:00.000
Well, and then the other thing that came to mind was um, of course, when I worked in relapse and and nuclear blast in the 90s, there was that uh there was a window of time where there was a lot of controversy with black metal bands where uh like the guys in Burzum and that whole thing with Euronymous and all that thing, and then uh uh Count Griznak was burning down churches and shit like that.
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.759
Um, what did you think of that?
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:09.599
Did you think uh did you think they were really being trying to be real Satanists, or do you think they were just trying to do it for the attention?
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:15.039
Uh like did they really do you think they really believed in what they were doing?
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:25.279
I I do feel that they uh believed very strongly in the messages that they were sending and how they felt about Christianity.
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:32.079
That they wanted to destroy it, that they viewed it as a threat to you know the prosperity and peace of the world.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.960
And uh you can't really blame them that much.
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.359
So I don't blame them.
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:54.400
You know, if you if you build up a few symbolic acts and you burn a few churches in the process, you know, may maybe you will cause more than a few people to stop and think, like, oh, maybe it's this organized religion has flaws, you know.
00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:04.319
Maybe there are people that are on the fence about it that at least help them to think a little more critically about you know, uh, you know, we're not talking about we're not talking about faith.
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.920
We're talking about the perils of brainwashing.
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:08.480
Right.
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:09.519
You know what I mean?
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.599
So I think they were very much against and you know, it's it's a what do you call it?
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:16.799
What's the word I'm thinking of?
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:22.799
It's uh it's an institution of a society kind of allowed to operate unchecked.
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:39.200
And you know, radical among us may even term bands like Burism as uh gatekeepers of uh, you know, what should be allowed as far as uh you know, unfettered, you know, just religious vomit.
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:44.000
Yeah, yeah, brainwashing vomit because there's a lot of vulnerable people that get sucked into it.
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:52.240
When I worked as a psych tech in a in a psych hospital, a lot of the patients that were in the hospital were fervently religious.
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:58.319
One guy would w walk around, he would just carry a Bible around, he would just read it, and then he would read passages of it to you.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:12.240
And he wasn't like a religious person, but it just glommed onto his brain and kind of meshed really well with the schizophrenia to the point that that was a part of his new personality.
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:29.680
I do believe that they they uh really strongly believed in it, and they've talked about wanting to destroy the you know the Christian church, the Catholic Church, and uh you know, after some of the atrocities that you've heard about, I don't know that how much I really blame them for doing that.
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:35.039
But I do think that they recognized the theatrical value in doing that.
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:35.759
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:36.799
You know what I mean?
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.279
Yeah, they definitely milked the press out of it.
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:47.519
Well, I mean, when Mayhem, when uh dead killed himself, they used his for some of those bootlegs, they were using his suicide picture for the cover.
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.319
Yeah, I mean stuff like that that you know that that they they did.
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:54.640
So it's just like, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy that they that they would go to that level, but they did.
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.880
So I think I read that it was the band member that walked in before the police came.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.839
It was, and he also, yeah, he took the picture, it was the guitarist, he took the picture.
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:10.000
Uh the legend goes is that he also uh took a piece of his skull and you had it on a necklace.
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.599
Oh yeah, and also that he supposedly fried up a piece of his brain and ate it.
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.000
We talked about on that on Frank's on Frank's podcast.
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:16.799
That's right, that's right.
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.319
But yeah, that's now I don't I'm I'm thinking that part's horse shit, but who knows?
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.720
But uh, but that thing with the skull is supposed to be real.
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.319
So, but yeah, he took the picture and you know that's that's how it went.
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.119
So yeah.
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:43.279
Um I was actually kind of adjacent to that a little bit, not that event, but um, I had the opportunity to work with dissection and the guitarist, the main guy John, he went to prison for a while, and he went to prison because he was an accessory to murder.
00:31:43.359 --> 00:32:00.720
It was um a thing where another black metal dude that he knew had borrowed a gun of his and had gunned down uh a gay a gay person in Norway or wherever it was, or Sweden, this was in Sweden, and uh and then John was arrested as an accomplice, as a as an accessory to murder.
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:08.240
So it was one of those things where they do carry that hatred over to uh other that they can carry that beyond the church and other you know areas too.
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:15.680
So I don't know if John knew about what the intent of the guy with the gun was, but you know, I don't know if he was like how much he had to really do with that.
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.720
Um, because I didn't I didn't think he was like quite that bad, but you know, you never know with these guys.
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.400
So but you know they made a brilliant album, but it's still one of those things.
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.240
They made they some made some amazing music.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:36.319
But at the same time though, when I learned of that, it was kind of hard to think about like trying to work with a band like that, because it's just like dealing with this guy is kind of like a he's he's not a murderer, but he's an accessory to it.
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.440
I don't know where he stands and if he feels that way about gay people.
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.559
I don't feel like I don't I don't I don't have a hate for gay people like that.
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.200
So you know, so I don't want to deal with that kind of shit.
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.319
So but but you know, it it kind of rubs off on you a little bit.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.759
Yeah, you kind of get caught in that in that kind of wave of it a little bit, you know.
00:32:52.559 --> 00:33:03.359
Well, I mean I think out of a crowd of musicians, a couple of them are gonna have that uh uh talking about extreme metal musicians.
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:08.079
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it it attracts a certain personality type.
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:21.599
Um makes it a lot it facilitates that melding of the person too, you know, that that lifestyle uh makes it a little bit more uh believable, yeah, easily attainable.
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.839
Yeah, um you know, and that's yeah, that was the you know the whole part of the the satanic panic of the of the eighties.
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.039
Yeah.
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.759
People worrying that you know the music was gonna turn people into mass murders and all that.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:43.519
But if you look at the like ratio or percentage of the number of people that actually went on to commit crimes and lead lives of crimes, it's not that high.
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.240
No, it's not any higher than it is in the general population.
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:47.680
On average, yeah.
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.720
No, no, it's not.
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:49.039
Yeah.
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.799
I think there are more people into metal now than there ever were.
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.000
Oh, I agree with that.
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:54.400
Yeah.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.839
It's just that most of them are like underground because metal is not a popular uh format anymore.
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:00.400
Right.
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.079
But you have a lot more people that are into metal now than there were in the 80s.
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:15.599
So I feel more comfortable making that statement that if you have 10,000 metal musicians and 20 of them are hardened criminals, I mean isn't that kind of like general society?
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.079
That's pretty probably pretty average, yeah.
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:18.880
Yeah.
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:19.760
All right.
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.880
So uh anything else on the subject of shock and metal or no, I'm sufficiently shocked out.
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:25.440
Thank you.
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.639
Okay, so that moves us over into metal news.
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:54.800
So I saw now this story kind of changed along the way, but Incantation has uh when they were touring here recently, they were asking fans to bring non-perishable food items to the shows.
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.440
Yeah.
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:05.280
Now, I heard initially that the reason they were doing that because they were bitching about the hospitality at the shows, like the green room where you know the bands get like food and stuff.
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.360
They were saying that the quality was like really terrible and they just weren't getting fed well.
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.559
They were giving them crap or something.
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.519
They were giving them crap or whatever, and that was supposedly the reason.
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.920
Now, that story came out.
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:24.239
The reason came out, but then another article came out, and then John uh from uh Incantation said, No, that wasn't true.
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.519
We were doing that to donate the movie to food banks.
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:37.199
Okay, you know, I I'm kind of questioning was what were they originally doing for the bad hospitality?
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:38.800
Then they shifted the narrative.
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.239
Oh, I see what you're saying.
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:41.039
You know what I'm saying?
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:45.840
Like, like uh because the story changed, and I was wondering, well, did somebody just get the facts wrong?
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:50.559
Or you know, like where did that thing come from about the bad hospitality then, right?
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.119
So that's why I'm kind of like, meh, what happened with the little bit one of these?
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.960
Yeah, that's boy.
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.400
That's really that's odd.
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:05.199
I didn't experience that with that story because when I first read the story, both pieces were in that story.
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.320
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:06.559
Okay.
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.880
So it didn't strike me as, oh, it started off as this and then it became this.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.199
Yeah.
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:23.920
It was it it to me, it just sounded like, you know, um, there was an element of like I I'm not gonna use the term food scarcity in a green room environment.
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:24.880
You know what I mean?
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:38.719
But you know, if they fucking walked in there and all they were given was cheese and crackers, and then they had to go out and buy a bunch of food and then went, holy shit, look at we just spent$150 between the four of us just for you know tonight and tomorrow.
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:39.280
Yeah, right.
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.519
This every night, right, right, yeah.
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:47.920
And that I'm thinking that probably spurred them on to think, you know, and you know, it's all over the news, yeah.
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:56.880
The fucking inflation rate and and and food inflation, you know, people are having to make choices between you know buying medicine or eating, right?
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:03.199
Putting the guts in the tank or paying their utilities, you know, uh it's it's hurting everybody right now.
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.360
So I I I I'll put it out there this way.
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:14.159
Even if that were to have been the case, I'm glad they settled on let's give food to food banks.
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:14.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:15.119
Me too.
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.639
Food that's donated to us.
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:24.880
You know, it's a real feel-good thing, and you know, you do you know, I I wouldn't put it past them to feel like you know, we want to try to do something.
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.159
Yeah, 100%.
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:34.880
Yeah, you know, yeah, they've been around for a long time, so they have the power to to uh uh encourage people to do certain things, you know.
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:35.920
Yeah, absolutely.
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:50.079
Well, yeah, I like that idea of the of the food banks for sure, but uh yeah, and and and I know and you know too from playing in bands, it's you know, sometimes you get treated like shit, and you know they don't have anything, so you know I think both kind of sides of that are pretty legitimate, actually.
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.920
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.079
Um, did you see that Eric Morati, the drummer for suffocation, yeah, has suddenly quit.
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:04.719
Uh stating now, uh again, controversial stories here, a little bit on on the either side here.
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:14.239
Um, but he's saying that he quit because uh supposedly that he's basically classifying the members of suffocation as being abusive drug addicts, is what he said.
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:29.679
Yeah, he's now playing with Sangma Sugarbog as their drummer, he's on tour with them with Lam and God, and suffocation came out and said, No, the reason he was let go was because of his conflicts with Tori Sangma Sugabog for you know our Torium with suffocation.
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.119
So that's what they're saying.
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.920
So the truth I find usually falls in the middle somewhere.
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.800
But did you ever hear of suffocation be drug addicts or anything?
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:47.199
No, no, I and I I know uh a couple of the guys in internal bleeding who are close to the guys in suffocation because of the proximity geographically on long.
00:38:48.960 --> 00:39:02.880
Um, and and I've seen uh I met Mike Smith once, who was the old drummer on like the first couple of albums, uh first few albums, and and uh you know he was a completely mellow, totally cool guy.
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.679
They didn't I don't know, they just didn't come off that way.
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.400
I don't think so either, but you know, I mean you never know.
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.199
I mean, what the hell?
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:21.199
I mean, nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes except for the band members, but um it just seemed kind of extreme that he came out with that statement and was kind of like um big fuck you and but they were kind of they were being kind of chill about it, so I don't know.
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.079
Yeah, yeah, that doesn't really paint a really good picture in his defense.
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:36.159
No, uh it could have been something as simple as maybe a couple of them like to, you know, puff on weed after band practice, yeah.
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:42.960
Um, or you know, maybe maybe one of them's got a fucking vape pen that he's hitting, but shows up to practice, goes to work.
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.920
You know what I mean?
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:53.199
Yeah, but I mean they seem like a tight band and they've always played well, so I haven't heard anything about where oh yeah, they were sucked, they suck because somebody was tripped out in heroin or something.
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:54.800
So yeah, I don't know.
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.719
So for for guys like um what's his name?
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.880
Uh the the bass player, Derek something.
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:01.599
Oh yeah.
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:10.159
I I can't remember off the top of my head, but him and the other guitar player, uh uh Terrence Hobbs.
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.800
Um, if for them to be able oh, uh Derek Boyer is the bass player.
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.000
Yeah, he's the guy that fucking plays.
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.400
Yeah, he does that stand-up thing with the bass.
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.679
I love that bass he's got, but he plays it like stand-up like this.
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.440
He looks really menacing whenever he does it.
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:24.239
I don't know.
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.280
He's always like hunched over and he's like, yeah.
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.320
He looks like a little fucking like a troll under a bridge.
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.480
But he plays like a motherfucker, like he's he's a damn good bass player.
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.360
So I don't know.
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.760
I don't yeah, I mean the riffs that they have, I don't know how you could be a drug user.
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:41.760
Let me rephrase that.
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.639
I don't know how you could be like a like died in the wool like addict, yeah.
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.320
Uh and then be able to play those fucking riffs, right?
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.079
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:52.880
Yeah, I don't know.
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:53.599
Yeah, I don't know.
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:54.639
It seems like a stretch.
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:58.159
What they need to do is they need to bring Bike Mike Smith back now.
00:40:58.719 --> 00:40:59.199
There you go.
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:00.159
That was a good time.
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.119
That was a good time.
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.360
Yeah, I think they did bring a new drummer in now.
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:10.880
They do have somebody because they had to get on, they were they were going on tour pretty quickly with uh I forget what tour they're on, but um, they were going tour something.
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.239
And who did they bring back?
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:13.280
Uh Colross?
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:13.760
I don't know.
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:14.639
I'd have to look that up.
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.960
I forget who hold on, let me look it up real quick.
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.400
Uh who is the suffocation?
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:22.880
Uh drummer.
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:24.880
So let's see what it says.
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.880
Uh they brought back Doug Ball.
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:28.639
Yeah, he quit.
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.199
Uh let's see.
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.199
Uh Ricky Myers?
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:35.440
Don't know him.
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:36.159
Don't know him.
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:36.559
Yeah.
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:38.320
He joined the yeah, no, he left.
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.280
Yeah, he just joined.
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.079
So yeah, so he's the new guy, I guess.
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:43.039
So yeah.
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.519
Yeah, I'm never I'm not familiar, so I don't know who he is.
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.199
But yeah, it's Ricky Myers.
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:53.519
Although a drummer for a death metal band probably should go by Rick, not Ricky.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.079
You know what I mean?
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:56.960
Yeah.
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:58.639
That doesn't sound very death metal y.
00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.280
Ricky.
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.800
It's like a Timmy.
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:01.599
Yeah.
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.400
Like singer drummer song.
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.079
Timmy is a little Timmy.
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.760
It doesn't, that's not super metal.
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:12.159
I'm sorry.
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.440
Ricky fell down the well!
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:31.360
Alright, so um, I also saw that the pretty recklesses uh singer Taylor, uh Momson, uh recently I guess they were on tour, uh, she got bit by a spider and had to spend uh the night in the hospital because it was a poisonous spider.
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:32.639
So where was this?
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.039
I don't hold on, let me where was that?
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:41.920
Um I forget where the spider bite.
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.079
I forgot where that was.
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.320
Yeah, let's see where what where did that happen?
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.719
Uh I'm I think I thought it was somewhere like South America or oh yeah, Mexico.
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.039
That's right.
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:53.679
It's Mexico.
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:54.079
That's right.
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.280
Mexico City.
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.920
Oh she got yeah, she got she got bit and oh yeah, that's right.
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.519
It was a brown recluse.
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:03.679
That's what she was in the hospital.
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.519
Yeah, those things are nasty, man.
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:12.400
So that your your skin rots from yeah, your skin dies from wherever that bite is, and then you and you never get that back.
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.440
Like you that's per that damage is like permanent, like forever.
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.880
So yeah, we had a girl at my last job that had got bit by one of those.
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:19.920
No way.
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:27.519
She it was somewhere on one of her legs, and they had to keep doing surgeries to cut out all the all of the all the dead tissue.
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.840
Uh yeah, the necrotic tissue, yeah.
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:30.639
Horrible.
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.119
Yeah, well, that laid her up for a minute.
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:39.679
Yeah, and you know, the the crazy thing about those spiders is like it doesn't affect everybody the same way.
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.960
So you and I could get bit by brown recluses, and it's not guaranteed that we would get that.
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:51.119
Yeah, not everybody has that same uh reaction necrotizing fasciitis reaction.
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:59.760
Oh, no, um I didn't know you know, it's it all comes down to your biochemistry if it doesn't mesh well with the toxins.
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.760
You're gonna have the problem.
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.199
But some people can, yeah, it's not a given, is what I'm saying.
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.239
And she unfortunately drew the short straw with that.
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:08.880
It sounds like.
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.079
Yeah, no, she did.
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.039
Yeah, she's uh she said the poisonous spiders when she was in Mexico City were no bueno.
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:15.519
Yeah.
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.079
All right.
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.760
Um, any other music news?
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:20.960
Anything else?
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.920
Not so much news, but I'll throw this out there.
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.719
I saw a short video of David Lee Roth.
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:29.360
Oh.
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.440
Uh after we talked about him several episodes back.
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:34.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:42.960
And he was he was talking about a million different things in the it was a it was a uh one of the shorts on YouTube.
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:43.599
Okay.
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.760
And so those videos are only like a minute.
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:58.559
And in that minute, he switched topics from one thing to the next thing to the next thing, and I'm like, I man, I I couldn't talk to somebody like that because he was all over the fucking map.
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.360
And what if he like out or something?
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.559
Uh yeah, it kind of had that weird feel like you were hanging around somebody that was real high.
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:07.280
Oh yeah.
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:07.840
Yeah.
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.639
And uh, you know, that I guess that must have been like that's just spillover from his you know front man days.
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:15.119
Yeah.
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.559
But uh maybe that's the same process that told him it would be a good idea to put on the leather pants again.
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:21.519
I don't know.
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.559
Well, uh, did you did you see any live footage of him like playing?
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:29.840
No, no.
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:40.159
But there was there was a clip uh that I came across where it showed that thing where he was he was playing the um the not the maracas, the the the tambourine.
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.440
The tambourine, yeah.
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.280
Yeah and uh it just it was the it was a black tambourine, you know.
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.239
So it's a rock and roll tambourine.
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.159
So but he was fucking that thing all up.
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.320
Well, as long as he attacks it with spirit, you know, that he's got the spirit to do it.
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:12.639
All right, uh all right, that was it for Metal News, which means we're now on to the album review, which was your pick.
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.519
So tell us all about it.
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.760
So we this is connected to the shirt.
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.440
It's we're not talking about an apom death shirt, right?
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:41.440
But what we are talking about is the campaign for musical destruction tour in 1992, which oh nice, right?
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:54.559
So I was there, but unfortunately, because I was the typical lazy ass 19-year-old, we missed the fucking train to take us into New York City in time for the start of the show.
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:01.840
Uh the bill was Brutal Truth, Cathedral, Carcass, and Napalm Death.
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.760
Oh my god, that's a hell of a show.
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.119
Unfucking believable, right?
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:06.320
Who did you miss?
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.119
We missed Brutal Truth and Cathedral.
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.199
Oh shit, that sucks.
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.119
I I am mad to this fucking day.
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.000
And it was only it's my own damn fault.
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:27.199
Uh so um I ended up getting into cathedral uh about right after that.
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:35.519
Uh it was kind of like I was into napalm, and I didn't I didn't realize that Lee Dorian had been the old napalm singer.
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:42.079
And then once I learned that, and it segued right into, and by the way, he's in this new band now.
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.559
Um and so that's how I kind of started listening to him.
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.679
Okay, gotcha.
00:47:47.920 --> 00:48:04.960
And um I I don't know what I was expecting, but um, so anyway, the long and the short of it is that we're we're talking about the Ethereal Mirror, which is Cathedral's second full-length album out of a 10 album run that they had before they broke up until uh what was it, 2013 or something?
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.159
Something like that, yeah.
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:13.519
Um, but they had a long career and their music changed pretty pretty radically over the course of their career.
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:26.320
And the Ethereal Mirror catches them at the beginning of their incorporation of more rock and and metal into the songwriting.
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.400
Because if you listen to the the first album, it's fucking brutal.
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:30.800
Yeah.
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:39.840
And it sounds really raw and and uh not exactly lo-fi, but you it's almost sounds kind of like a demo in some ways, yeah.
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.440
Yeah, uh, but the riffs are tremendously heavy and the vocals are are just like brutal as fuck.
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.679
But that's not the first album that I heard.
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:49.440
I heard the Ethereal Mirror first.
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:50.400
Oh, I see.
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.760
Oh wow, that must have been a jolt when you heard the other stuff then.
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.000
Yeah, because I so different.
00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:01.199
Yeah, uh that the first album made a lot more sense to me that that was Lee Dorian.
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:01.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.840
But the Ethereal Mirror, I'm like, what the hell happened to the vocals?
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.199
You know, that was my first song.
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:19.519
Um in the ensuing 30 years, I have grown to like the vocals because they they they got better.
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.239
Um even after the Ethereal Mirror, um, when they did um what is it called?
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.360
Bizarre something.
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:26.719
I can't remember the name of the board.
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:27.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:28.400
I know which album, yeah.
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:34.719
Uh yeah, I can't remember the for far the fo no Forest of Equilibrium.
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.519
Is that what it was called?
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:36.559
The the third album?
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:37.440
I don't remember.
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:38.400
I don't remember.
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:48.800
Um on that album, he you could there's an even further improvement in the vocals, uh, to where it actually sounds like like kind of like groovy singing almost.
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:59.360
You know, but the Ethereal Mirror, in the beginning, I was turned off by it because it was just like almost he was almost trying to find his place as a as a vocalist.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:00.159
Right, right, right, right.
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.559
Right, all of his vocals are like eh, it's a little awkward, yeah.
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:09.760
Well, it's almost yeah, it's it's if you like Bob Dylan, you'll like his vocals.
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.960
Yeah, that's a great right, yes.
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:18.960
Well, because it's such a like Dylan's such an acquired taste as far as people that like his singing, I can't stand it.
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.000
Like it just I can't do it, like I can't do it.
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:35.280
But uh so I I so he's a very acquired taste, but that's the same thing I thought about Lee Dorian too with this album that he's very it's like you know, yeah, it's like he's trying to find where he's supposed to be within the vocal pitch range.
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:44.880
Yeah, that's not really a I I don't want to call it a complaint, but it's probably the the the the biggest strike against the album that I have.
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:54.400
Yeah, but it's you know what though it's kind of like you said, if you listen to it a few times, the vocals do work within the construct of what they're doing.
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:55.119
That's right.
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:03.679
He's not Bruce Dickinson, but that doesn't mean that the vocals don't fit for like the the approach that they're taking with it.
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:04.559
I thought it worked.
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:11.679
I mean, yeah, not the best singer in the world, but that doesn't mean it's not it doesn't it's not appropriate for the presentation that they're making.
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.320
So I thought, you know, I thought it made sense.
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:20.559
Yeah, it does work with the music, and fortunately the riffs are so fucking amazing.
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.000
Oh monster, yeah.
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:28.079
Yeah, I mean, and the the production between the first album and this one is like night and day.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:32.159
Oh, yeah, big, wide, expansive drums, yeah.
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.239
Uh the guitar tone is in 100% improved.
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.639
Yeah, it's very oh, you know, the note definition is is is just fantastic on it.
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:55.280
So um, yeah, I mean it's just it's a very groovy album, and it's funny to think about how that was one of the first like stoner doom right, yeah, album totally, yeah.
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:56.079
You know what I mean?
00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:01.760
Like because that the this is the album where you can really hear the Sabbath, big time, yeah.
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.119
You know, absolutely.
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:14.639
Yeah, I have my have in my notes here uh what a blues band would sound like if they were signed to Earache, yeah, right, and at that point they were on Columbia of all labels.
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.280
Oh, is they were they on Columbia for that album?
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:18.800
Yeah, I didn't realize that.
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.159
I thought they were still on Earache.
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:21.679
No shit, they were in Columbia for that.
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:22.559
I'll be damned, huh?
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:31.280
Yep, okay, and then right after this album, which is like a fantastic like Columbia should have been like, Okay, we're giving these guys three more records.
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:32.880
Oh, they didn't know what to do with them.
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.400
They fucking dropped them, yeah.
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:35.920
They didn't know what the hell to do with them.
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.079
Yeah, so not not surprising.
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:44.880
Yeah, the major well, the major labels always tried to jump onto bands like that, and then they they didn't know how to market them, they didn't know how to work with them.
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:47.760
Same thing happened with Morbid Angel, they were trying to make them metallic.
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:49.440
Oh, that's right, you know, that's right, yeah.
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:53.360
And then and they you know, they it just death metal doesn't land the same way.
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.599
Uh, but yeah, going back to the my notes here.
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.280
I also wrote down dirty, nasty, sludgy riffs.
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.559
Oh right, that totally fits.
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:03.840
Yep, yeah.
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:09.280
One of the more fun and dare I say uplifting dude bands in a way, yeah.
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:20.960
Actually, they're not like uh they're not like sleep, where it's just like heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, or yab, you know, they're like that too, right?
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:26.800
These guys are like there's like there's peaks and valleys, and his voice kind of takes it to different places with the way he sings.
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:32.800
And now there's the riffs are always there and heavy, but they also have that sort of upbeat bluesy vibe to them sometimes.
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.239
Yes, yes, you know what I mean.
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:36.400
Well, but was it Misty Mountain?
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.760
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:48.880
Yeah, so well, and you said Sabbath void vibes, and I wrote down uh two songs that have that, or one song that has that is Fountain of Innocence, it's totally into the void.
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:50.719
Oh shit.
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.719
I didn't even pick up on that, but right?
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.760
If you listen to Fountain of Innocence, listen into the void.
00:53:58.320 --> 00:53:59.519
I'm writing that note down.
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.280
Yeah, take a look, take a listen.
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:03.679
See what you think about that.
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.440
And yeah, I wrote down Lee Lee Dorian's distinctive vocal style.
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:17.760
Um not an amazing technical singer, but an undeniably unique voice.
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:20.400
So in other words, when you hear him, you know it's him.
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.000
You totally, right?
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.079
So and also like the this was unexpected, the acoustic guitar in Imprison and Flesh.
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.079
Yeah, like where the hell did that come from?
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.719
Very sad, beautiful use of 12 string.
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.559
Yeah, I thought that was really, you know, that was one of those things that was kind of unexpected.
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:37.679
I thought that was really cool.
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:38.239
Yep.
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.559
And it balances the album really well, too.
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:41.360
Totally, yeah.
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.519
Well, it doesn't sound out of place.
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.440
No, it's a nice way to close it.
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:46.639
It is, yeah, exactly.
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:48.320
So yeah, that's what I thought too.
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:54.239
I like uh on Ride, we're talking about Sabbath, a filthy motherfucking song.
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.599
I think that was the song that inspired me to write down dirty, nasty, sludgy riffs.
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:00.239
It has to be.
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.320
That was the same song.
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:03.199
Yeah.
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:10.079
But holy shit, the the the the tail end of that riff.
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.239
Oh, I remember now.
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:17.760
It's uh okay.
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.960
It's the riff where you know the the real heavy one was like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun it.
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:25.519
I fucking love that.
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:33.599
Because the second time he does it, he doesn't do the he does it in octave below, down real down and fucking low on the network.
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:36.239
Yeah, I love that.
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:37.920
Yeah, that is bad.
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.719
I mean, how many times am I going to say Black Sabbath in one review?
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.320
It's like Black Sabbath rifts on acid.
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:48.239
Yep.
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:50.079
Uh to the worms.
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.480
And with a much larger weed budget.
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:53.360
Much.
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:53.920
Yeah.
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:55.840
What was that last part?
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:56.800
What was it?
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.039
Uh the song after that, Ed to the worms.
00:55:59.280 --> 00:55:59.920
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:14.000
I have uh this is Death Metal doing the tango with Black Sabbath, Ultimate Blues Rock Guitar Jam.
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.119
The Valhalla of guitar tone.
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:18.639
Oh, good description.
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:23.760
And uh almost a precursor/slash associate of Monster Magnet.
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.400
Oh, yes, yes, I mean to think of.
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.639
Yes, that's a great, yes.
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.960
I wonder if they listen, I wonder if they were inspired by Monster Magnet was inspired by them.
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:33.920
I could hear that.
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:35.119
I could totally hear that.
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.440
Yeah, yeah, I never thought about that, but there is a lot of parallels though between those two.
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:40.159
That's interesting.
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.159
Yeah, guitar stuff, yeah, especially.
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:43.280
Oh, that's really interesting.
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.320
Huh, I'll be down.
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.159
I'll have to go back and listen to that again.
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.599
Um, but yeah, no, that was a good, that was a good, uh, nice choice there, man.
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.440
That was that took me back when I saw it was like, oh, when you said that was like classic.
00:56:53.599 --> 00:57:03.440
So I've been I've listened to it you know multiple times in the last week, and it's funny because it's now at the point in my life where it keeps getting better every time I listen to it.
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.119
Yeah, I've had albums like that too.
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.559
Yeah, I can go back and preach them on a sort of a higher level for sure.
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.599
And as a plus, look at this, kids.
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.960
Um this is called the CD.
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.880
That's a C compact disc.
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:19.760
Wow.
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.840
And you'll notice seven bucks.
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.199
Something like that, yeah.
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:26.639
Yeah,$7.99.
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:27.039
There it is.
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:28.000
Okay, I can see it now.
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:28.800
Awesome.
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:29.679
Wow.
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.280
So when I was listening to it on YouTube, the um, because I didn't have the CD down here.
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:42.320
Uh one of the comments was uh talking about the artwork and how how weird this cover was.
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:43.920
Yeah, it's trippy, totally trippy.
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.239
Yeah, and someone responded saying, dude, did you even open it up?
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.159
It gets even crazier when you open it.
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:54.320
Yeah, this is the beauty of physical media, right, boys and girls.
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.159
Watch this motherfucking shit.
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.119
Watch this.
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:02.159
Look at what this turns into, and you really get money's worth.
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:03.440
Wicked.
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:05.360
That's rad, man.
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:05.920
Nice.
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.000
That is some crazy ass artwork.
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:09.599
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:10.079
I love it.
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:11.039
That's fucking awesome, man.
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:11.920
Yeah, that's rad.
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:12.559
That's awesome.
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:14.000
What's the what's the back cover?
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:15.199
What's it look like with the lyrics?
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.239
The back is just the it's it's it's oh yeah, yeah.
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.039
Okay, and these are the I remember that.
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:24.239
I remember that.
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.280
Okay, I forgot about that.
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:26.239
How they used to have that scene.
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.280
You're like, who's gonna read this?
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.159
You know what they wanted you to do when you were listening?
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:38.079
You wanted they wanted you to be like drooling on yourself and shit from the popcorn.
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:41.760
Obviously, that was definitely the point of that.
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:46.400
All right, great, great album choice.
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.920
Anything else to say about Cathedral, the Ethereal Mirror?
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:55.199
I think Lee Dorian is now has a record store or something, a musical store.
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:55.920
Is that right?
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:57.599
Huh.
00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:58.480
I think so.
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.320
Okay, I would go in England somewhere.
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.960
I would definitely go check that out.
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:03.840
Yeah, yep.
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.239
Um, all right, so we're on to the mystery band.
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.760
So you challenged me last time, I want to say, with the vapors.
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.960
I was very uh excited to go back and listen to them.
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:26.079
They were a lot of fun.
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:26.800
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.320
Uh great punk band, great energy.
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.440
I see what you mean about like listening to them while you're driving.
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.920
I could totally see, I could totally hear that.
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:42.480
Um yeah, and I just thought it was fun and fresh, and they definitely sound they sound of a time.
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.840
There's definitely a dated sound to their yes, to their to their, you know, there's a very specific window that they fit in.
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:53.760
But the songs I felt were still like they still held up, like they're still fun to listen to.
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.920
Um, Turning Japanese, I thought it was a cool song, but there's better songs, there's much better songs that they have to listen to.
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.039
Yeah, so yeah, just and they were and I was surprised to find out how many albums and stuff that they had.
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.960
So they have a little bit of history there, so yeah.
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.840
So check out the vapors again, just a reminder from the last episode.
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.440
Uh, all right, but then this time I'm gonna let's see if I can stump you.
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.800
Um, I picked a space rock band this time.
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:24.239
So yeah, they stopped uh in about 2018, is when they ended, and their band called Far Flung.
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.280
Oh shit, I never heard of them.
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.559
Oh, I gotcha.
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:30.559
Yay! I was hoping I got you on this one.
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.440
Okay, yeah.
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.400
The album is called A Wound in Eternity.
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:38.000
Okay, so the band is called Far Flung, all one word.
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.920
Yeah, and again, the album is let me just double check that.
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.679
I believe it's a wound in eternity.
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:44.880
I just want to make sure I have that right.
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:46.880
I believe that's the name.
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.400
And uh yeah, um, big spacey riffs.
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:56.480
Um, anybody who like who's ever listened to like Hawkwind and stuff would would like these guys, uh, you know, stuff like that.
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.400
So like going back to kind of spacey early Pink Floyd, that kind of stuff.
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:01.199
Oh, really?
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:06.239
Yeah, big sweeping kind of like, but but more of a contemporary kind of like heavier sound for sure.
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:07.039
No shit.
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:14.159
Uh yeah, and they just never I don't I don't think they gained a lot of traction, unfortunately, because you know, like you know, a lot of people don't know about them.
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:15.679
Um I'm not I can't even remember.
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:24.320
Oh, I think I found them because they were on a soundtrack for something because I listen, I do a lot of I find a lot of bands on soundtracks and stuff that I like.
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:30.320
And I believe, I believe they were one of the um one of my soundtrack bands, if I'm not mistaken.
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:38.559
But it was one of those things where um, you know, their albums are just kind of they sort of flew under the radar, and a lot of people just have never heard of them.
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.440
But you know, I really like them because they're just like the you'll they'll you'll have to listen to and just see what you think.
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:48.400
But uh hang on a second, I'm just kind of verifying this uh this uh the the name of this album real quick.
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:58.639
But yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, um uh just very much an appreciated band, great musicians, great songwriters, you know, the whole thing.
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.119
So when you get a chance, far flung.
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:02.159
All one word.
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.920
Yeah, the title is A Wound, like Flesh Wound.
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:06.960
A wounded, yeah.
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.239
So let me just verify that.
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:10.639
But uh I think it's called A Wound in Eternity.
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.400
Hold on, let me just double check that real quick.
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.119
Yeah, they had a number of albums here, but that was the one I kind of latched on to.
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.840
Yeah, because they have they they started in 1995.
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:31.119
Um they released about one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight or nine albums.
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:32.719
Yeah, Wounded Eternity.
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:37.360
It came out in 2008, and their last album was about 2018.
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.480
So where are they from?
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.280
Uh England, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.920
Were they uh founded uh blah blah blah?
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:56.800
So I'm just checking so like the thing is they don't really have any like um like uh uh websites and stuff that you kind of find them through fan websites and shit.
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.840
So they're it's kind of hard to find information about them.
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.960
But I believe they're a British band.
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.719
Let me just double check that I might be wrong about that, but I think they're from England.
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:09.199
Why doesn't it say that here?
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.320
Da-da-da, blah blah blah.
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:13.440
Shit.
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:14.320
Yeah, I think so.
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:15.840
I'll I'll I'll double check that.
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.000
If I'm wrong, I'll correct it here in the episode later.
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.559
Um, but yeah, so check out a wound in eternity.
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:21.360
I want to see what you're doing.
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:22.320
Okay, sounds good.
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.000
Yeah, I think you're gonna like that.
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:25.280
Um, all right.
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.559
So, oh no, I'm sorry, they're from Los Angeles, California.
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:28.960
Sorry.
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.199
Ah yeah, I don't know where I got England from.
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:33.679
I think, yeah, but yeah, they're from Lost from LA.
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:34.480
Okay.
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:35.280
All right.
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.800
Okay, so far flung, a wound in eternity.
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:39.920
That's your homework.
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:40.719
All right.
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:42.559
All right.
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.840
Um now, live shows.
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:47.599
Let's talk about it.
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.519
Um now you want to see now.
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.320
Um I correct me, correct me on their name.
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.880
Is it sun or is it sun o?
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:06.960
Because they always have this like O after it.
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:08.159
Yeah.
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.400
I don't know uh what the purpose of the O is.
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.360
You know the tickets just say Sun.
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:17.199
Okay, so I'm just gonna go with Sun.
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:19.039
So you went to see Sun.
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:20.719
Tell us all about it.
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:21.760
Yep.
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:32.559
Um that we went to see them in down in DC a couple weeks ago in a theater, a few thousand people.
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:39.119
So Sun is this crazy band, and I forget where they're from, actually, but it's just two dudes on uh guitars.
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:40.159
That's it.
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:40.639
Okay.
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:48.000
And they basically it's it's basically ambient guitar distortion noise.
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.880
Is there any vocals at all or just strictly instrumental?
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:52.800
No vocals at all.
01:04:53.599 --> 01:05:13.679
It's them dressed up in these ancient monks with the fucking hoods and um they come out on stage and they got smoke machines and they're surrounded by I think we counted each guy had seven or eight amp stacks.
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:14.400
Whoa.
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:16.159
And you know, I don't know.
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:27.440
I I I turned to my friend and I was like, I don't think this is that typical thing, like when they have a wall of marshalls and only one of them is plugged in and the rest of them are all hollow boxes.
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:28.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:34.320
I said, I don't think that's happening here because this thing was so fucking loud.
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:35.920
I've seen them before, right?
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:40.000
And I kind of I think it was like 2008, 2009 when I seen them.
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.360
And I remember them being so loud that they were handing out ear protection.
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:46.800
You talked about that, yeah.
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:47.360
Right.
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:52.079
They didn't hand out any ear protection this time, so if you didn't bring any, you were SOL.
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:52.559
Oh.
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:54.800
And uh, but we had some.
01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:04.800
Um it's it's really it's a very strange show and uh This time they opened with this weird audio track that was playing.
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.480
Um and it made my friend think that there was an opening act.
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.119
He's like, shit, I guess there was supposed to be an opener.
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.599
And I'm like, no, I don't think so.
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.920
And it was just audio playing.
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:17.360
And you know what it was?
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:28.559
It was the this this thing, I forgot the the actual name of the tape, but it's a recording of a venom show from back in the 80s.
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:41.440
And it's a show that took place at uh in Trenton in Trenton, New Jersey, called uh uh Trenton Gardens, which was a very, very famous punk venue that I never made it to.
01:06:42.639 --> 01:07:03.199
Um so apparently there was a Venom show there back in the 80s, and somebody took the full audio of the show and cut out all the music and strung together sections of Kronos' uh banter with with the crowd, with the other people in the band.
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:08.320
Yeah, and it was just like everybody, do you want to go rock?
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.239
Do you want to rock all the way to hell?
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:24.079
You know, then you would hear and then before you know the guitars cut in, um they would uh switch to the next audio segment.
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:25.280
Oh, weird, okay.
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:34.320
And it lasted for like 10 minutes or so, and it was just like, what the hell are we sitting here listening to that was that that went on that long?
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:35.280
Ten minutes.
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:53.760
Because like I said, somebody thought it would be fun to string all these things together, and it's actually a um kind of well-known, very Kvault uh level uh, you know, if you if you're a true Venom fan, you know that this tape exists.
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:54.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:54.800 --> 01:08:07.679
Where it's just his talking to the audience about evil shit and you know, drum, you know, different roles that he does to lead into songs or when the songs end, and it you know, it's like the space between the music.
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:08.480
Right, right, right.
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.119
Someone made this into its own recording, and that's what they played for the fucking intro.
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:14.480
And I didn't know what it was.
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.119
Oh my god.
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:23.119
My uh my friend had a he recorded it with his phone, uh, and like used whatever the app is called to figure out what something is.
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:24.640
Oh, Shazam or something, yeah.
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.279
Yeah, and and then said this is the very famous underground recording of blah blah blah.
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:30.640
And he's like, dude, check this out.
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:31.680
This is what we're listening to.
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:33.920
I'm like, I don't know what this is, I've never heard of it.
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:35.520
Oh my god, that's nuts.
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:36.239
It was crazy.
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:37.600
Started it.
01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:38.479
That's why.
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:40.960
And uh so then that ended finally.
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:49.600
Lights came down, and these two guys walk out on stage in the robes, and everybody's who and then it got fucking deathly silent.
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:58.479
They put the guitars on, you could hear the hum after they, you know, turned on all the amps, and we're sitting there, and they both turned and faced the audience.
01:08:58.560 --> 01:08:59.680
You can't see their faces, right?
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.640
Yeah, and they're just sitting there with the guitars, and all you hear is me.
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:07.439
And then each one of them goes like this.
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.600
And there's just imagine, and it's on it's on YouTube the show.
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:20.159
If you Google Sun Washington DC from last week, and and for like 20 seconds, they're just standing there like this, and you could hear a fucking pin drop.
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:29.279
It well, if the amps weren't humming, but and then they just went and you could feel it in your ass bone, man.
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:30.560
Oh my god.
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:35.279
And uh it was like having a visit to the fucking protocol uh proctologist, man.
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:39.920
It was it really it touched you in that fucking special place.
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.560
How long did they play?
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:45.840
Oh, it was about 45 minutes, maybe to an hour.
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.560
45 minutes of just like straight droning punishment and that's it.
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.000
Oh, yeah.
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:52.640
Yeah.
01:09:53.199 --> 01:10:16.000
Um, I think there was a couple of there was a couple of sections where they kind of stopped and then in a um had the synchronized part where they went boom boom, you know, it but otherwise it was just and the feedback, dude, the fucking guitar feedback, the amp feedback was just ungodly.
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:25.439
The the shrill just and they would they would shape it so that they would walk up to the amp, they would walk in different spots.
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:41.119
One guy would take his guitar and put it on, he held it on top of the fucking amp, pointed up towards the ceiling for like two minutes, just and you could feel you know, like when you're listening to a real loud sound and and it has like a vibration to it.
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:42.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:48.319
This vibration very, very slowly would slow down and speed up.
01:10:48.399 --> 01:11:05.199
So it'd be like one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, you just like fucking and I closed my I had my eyes closed for part of it because I was just fucking feeling the the vibe, you know?
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.840
And it was it was insane.
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.760
It was uh they were they're very good at what they do, and they have albums out.
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:13.279
Is there any banter?
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.079
Like, do they talk to the audience or is it just like sound the whole time?
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:17.920
Just sound nothing, just sound.
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.800
They don't they don't say hi, bye, thank you for coming.
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:22.640
They just come out, do their thing, and leave.
01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:23.119
That's it.
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:26.319
They came out when one guy went like this to us.
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:28.399
That's it.
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.039
Yeah.
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:31.520
Uh I guess that's thanks for coming, you know.
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:32.000
Okay.
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:34.800
How big of a venue was this?
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:37.119
Uh, it was the oh shit.
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:40.880
I don't remember what theater in DC it was, but it was like a couple thousand people.
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:41.520
No shit.
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:42.640
Did they was it filled?
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:43.840
Was it filled?
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:44.880
Pretty much.
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:45.920
No shit, really.
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:52.000
They kind of I don't think it wasn't sold out, but okay, but still that's I'm impressed that they sell that many tickets.
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:52.479
80%.
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.239
Well, if they do that's that's crazy that it's that that they have that big of a following.
01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:58.000
Yeah, it's a real it's a real niche.
01:11:58.640 --> 01:11:59.760
Yeah, because it's such a niche.
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:04.640
I mean, they're basically doing they did they do any leads, or is it just like uh chords?
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:07.279
It's it's chord feedback.
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.159
It's it's chords, it's single notes.
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.800
Okay, um weird chord voicings, basically.
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:22.399
Oh, okay, and you know, then they'll spend time, they'll like hit the guitar a little bit, okay, they get feedback more, right?
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:29.600
Um, and it's a crazy amount of smoke is coming out on the stage, and they're just enveloped and you know, shrouded by the all this smoke.
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:32.640
It's very mysterious, and then the the crazy light show.
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:34.560
Uh, you know, it's very, very enjoyable.
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:35.439
Wow, cool.
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.439
And you know, and it was a it was a a a sit-down show where we were not standing there.
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:42.399
Oh, so everybody's sitting and so the whole crowd was like that.
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:42.800
There's nobody.
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:43.520
Oh, yeah.
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:44.640
Okay, cool.
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:46.640
Yeah, yeah, good time.
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:47.600
Very cool.
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:50.560
So keep an eye out for sun if you get a chance to see them live.
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:55.199
Now their tour will be over by the time this you know happens, but uh keep an eye out for them for future shows.
01:12:56.079 --> 01:13:04.079
Uh I had the pleasure, of course, of going to check out Bleed from Within at the Hawthorne Theater last night and here in Portland.
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:11.760
Uh they had three openers, uh Silos Silosis, Great American Ghost, and uh this band called Lifecycle.
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:19.439
Um, I didn't see the first two, um, but but I caught uh Silosis and also, of course, uh Bleed from Within.
01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:20.880
Um yeah, amazing.
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:23.600
If you get a chance to see them, go see them.
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.840
Um like just fantastic band, super tight.
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.479
They've been around for 22 years, which I didn't know.
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:35.359
Um the singer, really interesting guy, uh a cool frontman, too.
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.960
Lots of great energy, just great singer live, and just you know, great energies was ever when it was in everybody's face.
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:45.680
He was crowd surfing at the end of the show, and oh wow, so yeah, yeah, he was it was a lot of fun.
01:13:45.920 --> 01:14:00.239
Um, I had my own experiences there where I was I was right up front for for believe it from within, and I'm standing there for a while and just enjoying myself, and all of a sudden, I'm standing there, and all of a sudden I get pulled back like this, and I'm like, What the fuck?
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:12.000
So uh I was standing there right on the edge of the pit, and I guess these girls got knocked out of the pit and and they're drunk, and they were flying out of the pit, and instead of falling, they grabbed me.
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:18.560
So they just I don't think they even knew what they grabbed, they just kind of grabbed my jacket and they pulled me down like this, and I was like, Whoa, like that.
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:20.079
And then what the hell?
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:27.039
And then I realized what was going on, and then as soon as they turn around, the the lead drunk girl she goes, You got me, right?
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:30.239
You got me, and I was like, Sure, I got sure, I gotcha.
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:31.439
Whatever you say, you're fine.
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:44.960
Yeah, whatever you mean, and then they they spent about a good five minutes just kind of like grabbing my like my shoulder, just I think they were just trying to stay up like vertical, so that's all they were trying to do, and then they eventually wandered off, and then I was okay after that.
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:49.920
But uh, so it's just one of those moments where you know they were molested.
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.079
I got accustomed there for a minute, yeah.
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.439
Um, but but it was interesting because the band was really cool.
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.279
Believe it from within, they've been, like I said, 22 years, they're from Scotland.
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:09.279
Um, they've been this is their first headlining tour, and they were just super so grateful that people were there and they knew the words, and it was packed, and they had a good show.
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:24.319
And so yeah, the only thing I was disappointed by, uh, not in the band, but uh just just in something that they normally that when they're headlining, uh like I think in Europe and stuff, they have a couple more like backup singers, and they also have bagpipes, they come out and play bagpipes.
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:26.560
And some of the songs have bagpipes in it.
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:32.399
I was I was just like waiting for the bagpipes and no bagpipes, so that it's more of a strip down just the five of them, and that's it.
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.439
But but uh if you get a chance, man, they shred, man.
01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:36.560
They're so good live.
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:38.880
Man, I don't know any of that stuff.
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.640
Oh, they're they're gonna be probably one of the bands I'll want to review for the future.
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:52.720
So if you want a good suggestion, check it, check out either Zenith, which is their uh the album they're trying on right now, only the singer called it Zenith, but I guess he's gonna because he's from Europe.
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:57.279
But uh but uh like look at that album, or also another one called Fracture.
01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.640
Because they've got a whole bunch of they've got a catalog out.
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:02.159
Uh but Fracture is really good too.
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:03.600
That's like an just an excellent album.
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.560
But Zenith is amazing, just so good.
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:08.479
So get a chance, go check them out.
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:11.600
What kind of uh what do they sound like?
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:18.560
They're in the if I had to put them in the neighborhood, I would put them in the same neighborhood as In Flames and uh Unearth.
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:22.399
Okay, yeah, same, especially very unearthy.
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.279
So yeah, I put them in the same that would be a hell of a tour, actually.
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:26.640
That's good metal, yeah.
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:27.760
But very good metal, yeah.
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.479
So but they're but think think like unearth or in flames.
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.000
Okay, yeah, yeah.
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:48.000
Um uh oh, and and one note about them the drummer was pulling double duty because he's also the drummer in Silosis, so he played a 40-minute opening set, and then he went to the headlining set for another hour and a half.
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.600
Wow, oh my god, in insane shape, dude.
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:58.800
Is like well, uh well, the singer was saying, Hey, and he kind of mentioned this, and they he's always out exercising, goes jogging and stuff like that because he's trying to stay in shape.
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:00.800
He's been doing that for five weeks, man.
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.399
Five weeks, they're not done yet.
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:07.039
They've got uh they've got like I think until May or something till till they finish out this tour.
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:13.439
Wow, but but yeah, that dude's like he's a machine, and he was like spot on, like they were just didn't miss a beat, man.
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:16.159
Amazing even did a fucking drum solo.
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.560
I'm like, you know how much more are you gonna get out of this guy?
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.840
So it's just like then he did his solo, it's just like so.
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.640
Yeah, he's a dude's a machine, so really good drummer.
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.880
All right, so uh other news here in terms of other tours that are going on.
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:34.159
Now, again, these will be kind of like happening or out by the time we talk about this, but hopefully you can see these bands.
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:50.720
Um, baby metal is headlining on a tour with hailstorm opening, so that's happening, and then there's this big uh what's called Ripple Fest, which is like a stoner rock, uh Doom Rock kind of uh festival, and that's happening in Austin, Texas in September.
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:56.720
And uh Yab, Dope Throne, Chemist, and Greenleaf are all among the bands that are playing that.
01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:04.000
So that's gonna be a big that whole thing is gonna smell like weed for like a 10-mile radius.
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:12.560
So that's gonna be like that fucking soft park episode where they were making fun of the the the jam band festival.
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:13.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:13.680
Totally.
01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:14.000
100%.
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:14.880
Yeah, 100%.
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:18.720
And it was like infuriating to Cartman, and he wanted to kill them all.
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.439
Well, yeah, and he brought they brought in Slayer to break it up.
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:22.319
That's right.
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.560
To quote them, hippies hate death metal.
01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:31.439
Yes, that's right.
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:35.520
That's fun.
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:36.880
Yeah, it's close enough.
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.039
So but they're yeah, that was hysterical, but yeah, it's like that.
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:42.880
So only with like you know, stoner bands.
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:44.399
So nice, yeah, in Austin.
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:45.439
Uh, that should be fun.
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.600
That should that's gonna be a that should be a good show.
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:55.520
Um, twisted sister have announced their first dates with Sebastian Bach this September and October.
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:56.159
Okay.
01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:57.920
Will you go see that?
01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:59.439
Would you go see that?
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.159
Uh I don't know.
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.960
I mean, if it was convenient, maybe I'd think about it.
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:07.039
I'm not a big Twisted Sister fan.
01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:08.880
I wasn't a big Skid Row fan.
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:10.000
Yeah, same here.
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:21.119
Um, but uh you know, if I if I knew somebody who was going, yeah, and it was just over in you know, over the river in Philly somewhere, then I'd be like, all right, fine, I'll just go and I'll watch.
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:23.119
Yeah, curious, yeah, yeah, curiosity.
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.399
Yeah, I actually do like the first two or three Twisted Sister albums.
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:28.800
Like, you know, you can't stop Rock and Roll is a really good album.
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:30.560
So there's some good albums in there.
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.960
I'm just kind of curious what I keep trying to imagine what he sounds like with their music.
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:37.439
Like trying to go, I'm not gonna take it and stuff like that.
01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:42.560
I mean, you know, it's gonna be, I don't know, it's gonna be hard to fill the shoes of D Snyder.
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.119
I mean, he also he was on Broadway.
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.920
Who he was an actor on Broadway, Sebastian Bach.
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:48.720
Was he really?
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:49.359
I didn't know that.
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:54.319
Uh well on Broadway, either Broadway or an off-Broadway production.
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.520
I don't remember which, but he was in some kind of production like that.
01:19:57.760 --> 01:19:58.159
Oh shit.
01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:58.720
I didn't know that.
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.920
No, in part because of his amazing vocals.
01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:03.359
He can sing, no doubt.
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:10.479
So yeah, I'm just kind of curious how how he fits into the and his voice fits into that musical mold, you know what I mean?
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:13.760
Yeah, uh I'm sure we'll see plenty of video for it.
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:18.720
Yeah, and then I saw that Dimmerborger is uh playing a limited run in the US.
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:22.720
I'm very pissed because they're not coming here, but this is gonna be a hell of a show, man.
01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:33.039
Dimmerborger, hypocrisy, who doesn't come here that often, and I'm a huge fan of them, suffocation, yeah, and Halder in August.
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:35.279
That's gonna be dude.
01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:38.159
That's an amazing run.
01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:40.720
And it's still Peter Tackrin, right?
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:42.239
With hypocrisy, it totally is, yeah.
01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:43.439
Oh, yeah, it's Peter, yeah.
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:45.840
Yeah, that's he is hypocrisy.
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:46.800
Uh, pretty much, yeah.
01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.119
I follow him on on uh like Instagram stuff.
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:52.399
I used to work with them, so it just like yeah, I love that band.
01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:53.840
Huge fan of hypocrisy.
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.159
Yeah, but they never tour here though.
01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.800
So that I'm pissed because they're not gonna come here.
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:03.359
I they might be, I'm thinking they're gonna they're gonna hit your area though, New York or something.
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:04.479
I'll have to look it up.
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:05.600
You should look that up, yeah.
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.279
It's gonna be an awesome show.
01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:08.960
Yep, it's gonna be a hell of a show.
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.640
Uh also Dimma Borger uh set up this thing in October.
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.399
I think it's around Halloween they're doing this.
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.399
They're doing this big thing in Norway.
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:22.159
They're calling it like this sort of like this major like Super Bowl event, like level style event in Norway for the black metal bands.
01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:27.920
Yeah, it's Dimaborger, Enslaved, and uh who else is the other band?
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:32.079
Enslaved and shit.
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:33.439
Um is it immortal?
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:34.079
It's something.
01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:34.720
Let me see.
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:35.199
What is that?
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:36.079
No, it's not immortal.
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:36.640
Is it Emperor's?
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:37.680
It's not this member, is it?
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:39.199
No, it's not this member.
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:40.079
I love this member.
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:44.880
No, um it's I forget who else is is doing that.
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:52.399
Oh, it's uh Yeah, they're also touring with Behemoth and Dark Funeral, so they're doing a European thing there for that.
01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:56.800
But then they're doing this big show for October.
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.840
Uh and they're they're they're making it like this really major event in Norway.
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:04.479
So oh yeah, uh, hold on, where the hell is it?
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.199
Um give me a second.
01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:07.840
Oh, there it is.
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:11.039
Yeah, they're calling it the Unholy Halloween.
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.720
It's uh it's at this big stadium in like Norway.
01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.439
Wow, yeah, and it's gonna be this really major event.
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:17.920
Damn it.
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.079
Of course, now it doesn't say who's all who's on it.
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:24.800
Um yeah, sorry about that, but it's a yeah, I forget what the what the what the lineup is.
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:25.199
Damn it.
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:27.119
Man, they got some true fans over there.
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.079
Big home, yeah, home country.
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:31.600
Oh, huge, yeah.
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:32.239
They're huge.
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:33.600
Well, they're huge in Europe too.
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.079
In stand hall, so they're there, they're they're well.
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:41.600
They're playing like um when they're torn, they're doing like the London O2 uh stadium and stuff.
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.199
They're they're big places.
01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:44.960
Yeah, it's a huge stadium in Europe, man.
01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:49.279
And in New Zealand, yeah, it's actually Dimmelborger, Satiricon, and Inslaved.
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:50.239
That was the other one.
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:51.680
Yeah, Satiricon was the other band.
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.640
So yeah, they're doing that big show in Norway, and it's like it's being built as it's like because there's like a triple headliner.
01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.680
So with all three.
01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.039
That's gonna be a huge deal.
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:00.640
Oh, that's gonna be a monster deal.
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:07.439
Yeah, that's uh they're kind of stating it as like the biggest black metal sort of band ever put together, so or event ever put together.
01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.720
So, which yeah, so they'll fill a lot of seats with that.
01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:11.359
They will.
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:12.159
They're good live.
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:12.640
I've seen them.
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.640
I've actually well, I used to work with them too.
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:19.039
Um, a little ego there, but so but aside from that.
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:25.600
Well, when we were working with them, uh they were touring in the US, and I was working for nuclear blast at the time.
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:30.880
This back in 2001 or something, and um uh the the the office was in Philly.
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:42.000
So when I went when I was working for for nuclear blast, and um we had this thing where the singer wanted to get leather pants, and we were like, Okay, South Street, yeah, we're yeah, exactly.
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:51.119
It was a South Street, and he's like, No, I want to go to New York by to buy to buy leather pants, and we're like, No, you don't need to go to New York to buy the pants, you can just get them in South Street.
01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:57.119
He was giving us all this shit about it, and we're like, Look, dude, you it's an hour and a half away, you got to show in two hours.
01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:02.000
This is not happening, so yeah, no, so we had to like you know, spank him a little bit and put him in his place.
01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:12.399
Oh, for Pete's sake, yeah, they act like rock stars because they're well, because they were used to in Europe being treated like rock stars because they are rock stars there, but then they come over here and they're doing clubs, yeah.
01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:20.159
So they don't have that same level of like you know, of like uh pull and influence that where they can kind of just ask for and get whatever the hell they want.
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:23.520
So you know, so I always treated bands whenever I was in charge of them.
01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:25.359
I always treated them like anybody else, man.
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:31.119
I did not treat them like rock stars, I treated them like people, and if that's right, babies, I treated them like babies, yeah.
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:31.760
Yeah, yeah.
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:36.239
So he was one of the guys who were like, no, you can't go to New York.
01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:40.159
We'll go to South Street, get your pants, but no, you can't go to New York.
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:41.439
The math ain't mathing.
01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:48.479
Yeah, it's just so funny how sometimes these guys, and we have an upcoming episode where we're gonna talk about riders.
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:55.520
So yeah, so I have that planned as one of the up as one of the episode topics, like talking about band writers and how they get a little outrageous.
01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:56.960
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:58.479
So fun, fun stuff there.
01:24:58.720 --> 01:24:58.960
Cool.
01:24:59.119 --> 01:24:59.359
All right.
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:02.560
So, did you have any other news as far as live events or anything else?
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:03.760
No, okay.
01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.239
No, I got the Triumph concert coming up, but by the time this episode airs, when is that?
01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.560
May 20 something, dude.
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:14.239
You gotta talk about that when it happens.
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:15.039
Oh, definitely.
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:16.560
Oh, I can't wait to hear about that.
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:17.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:21.760
I I just hope that Mike Levine shows up the bass player that's supposedly in ill health.
01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.119
Oh no, I thought he was I thought he was with touring with them.
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:26.239
They have a replacement for him.
01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:26.880
I didn't know that.
01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:29.039
Yeah, for for a lot of the shows.
01:25:29.199 --> 01:25:32.239
I think they said he was gonna try to make some of the shows.
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:33.039
Oh, is that right?
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:37.279
I didn't know, but it's basically like, and it's several people, it's not just oh I know it.
01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:42.479
I I know they have a band band kind of supporting them, so yeah, besides Ring Rick Emmett and the drummer.
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:47.760
Yeah, so yeah, they have Phil X on on the guitar.
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:48.399
Okay.
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:54.079
So like you know, he's he's actually like basically playing backup guitar to Rick.
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:55.039
Right, right, right.
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:58.399
Yeah, and then they have uh some dude playing guitar, I don't know who it is.
01:25:58.640 --> 01:25:59.279
Who's playing bass?
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:00.479
Guitar uh bass.
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:10.159
Yeah, who oh you don't know who it is, okay if I can find a triumph for 2026.
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:13.680
Let's see.
01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:26.479
Schedule tickets opening act of set list uh members.
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:28.880
Now I'm now I'm curious.
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:38.159
It's uh Brent Fitz, Todd Kearns, and Phil X will all be a part of the Triumph Tour lineup.
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:39.359
That name I do know.
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:40.640
Brent Fitz, I do know.
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.239
I forget who he played with though.
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.399
So it'll be well there's also a second drummer.
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:47.279
One of them is a drummer.
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:47.920
Is that right?
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:48.960
They're doing two drummers now.
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:49.680
I'll be damned.
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:50.159
Okay.
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:55.279
So it'll be like this, they're gonna do like switching back and forth between Gil Moore and the other drummer.
01:26:55.359 --> 01:27:01.279
There might be something where there's they're both playing like you know, you used to have at the fucking dead show or some yeah, yeah, gotcha.
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:03.840
But uh is there an is there an opener?
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.920
Is there another band playing with them?
01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:07.600
Uh April Wine?
01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:08.159
No shit.
01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:09.279
April wine's opening.
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:09.680
Awesome.
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:10.960
I don't know anything about them.
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:12.880
What you don't know April Wine?
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:16.640
If you watched MTV in the 80s, you would know April Wine.
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:17.680
Uh you would think so.
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:18.560
Look them up.
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:19.199
No, look them up.
01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:22.720
The minute you maybe I do, and it's you're gonna be like, Oh, I totally know all their shit.
01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:28.880
I'm telling you, you'll know them because they were all over MTV uh at around the 80s and stuff.
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:32.720
So you would I'm I guarantee you, you will know some of their music.
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.319
So, but they're good, you'll like them.
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:37.039
They're very good uh a guitar by guitar band.
01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:37.680
Yeah, cool.
01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:41.199
They got a very 70s vibe, so yeah, I would definitely take a listen to them.
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:42.239
Yeah, good band, really good band.
01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:44.880
Yeah, like I said, you'll like the guitar stuff in it.
01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:46.640
Um, that's his opening.
01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:48.560
That's that's gonna be a good show, dude.
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:49.600
I'm looking forward to it.
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:50.640
It's gonna be good, yeah.
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:56.399
All right, well, then that will wrap us up for another episode of Distortion Analysis.
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:57.600
Episode 10.
01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:05.760
Thank you for joining us.
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