Take Action to Prevent Violence, Rather than Respond to Violence!

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Coming to you from hometown America, the Land of the
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Free and the Home of the brave, Bedford, Virginia. Welcome
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to cop Talk. I'm Captain Robert Kimbrel, and I'm sorry
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to Joe Dooley. Businesses around the country are reevaluating security
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after a brazen shooting at a New York City office building.
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You know, it raised questions about what it actually takes
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to keep workplaces safe. And the attack on a seemingly
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secure building in a you know, a gilded part of
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Manhattan of all places, where the rich live in sprawling apartments,
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you know, and tourist windows shop at those designer shops
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out there. Well, it's rattled workers and prompted managers to
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examine whether they are adequately protected. You know, what should
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we be doing different is one of the questions they're asking.
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And a second question that has come up is how
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can we prevent something like this? You know, those are
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the two questions that these organizations tend to ask after
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an event occurs on their property. And you know, the
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gut reaction of some companies is to buy the latest
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technology and blanket their workplaces in cameras. But you know
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that's only effective if paired with a very limited access
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and proper system administration. And it also there must be
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consistent in long term monitoring of that system, and a
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system that is you know, wide open at the administration
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level can actually be practically useless as admissible evidence in court.
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So you know, if you're going to add a security measure,
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you have to make sure you maintain it, said Brian Higgins,
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who is a former police chief who teaches security at
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the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Four people were
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killed in a recent shooting before the gunman died by suicide,
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and images of the shooter toting a long rifle on
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a street in the biggest US city, well, you know,
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then he went in and terrorized an office building, and
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those have companies desperate to do something to keep the
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scene from repeating. So, with the US locked in a
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pattern of gun violence virtually unparalleled in the world, security
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firms are used to you know, rhythms of business. While
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attacks at a corporate office are less commonplace, a major
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shooting or an attack on an executive as we've seen,
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also focuses attention back on security for you know, for
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a time, but then it recedes. Give it a couple
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weeks a month or so, it'll go back, Higgins said
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of the increased call volume. When security issues don't happen
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for a while and companies start re examining their budget,
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it's security is one of those things that companies cut.
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And Jean Patrino, CEO of Survival Response in Coral Springs, Florida,
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has also seen an uptick in calls from potential new customers,
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but he also expects it to be fleeting. When things
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are calm, it seems as an expense they don't need
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right away, he said, And then when a tragedy happens,
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it's priority again. You know, everything doesn't have to be
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bulletproof and you know, locked down with security cameras everywhere,
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he said, You don't have to be Fort Knox. You
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can actually have very basic things. And you know, people
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who have heard me talk about workplace security have heard
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me say many times that your security team needs to
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be perfect one hundred percent of the time. But the
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person who is out to commit a violent act, well,
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he only has to get lucky wants all right, So Joe,
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let's actually work a little bit on this story, and
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let's break it down and break down you know a
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little bit of what I've said and focus on a
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few things. So first is something that we talk about
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a lot actually here on cop talk, and that is
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what situational awareness, right, Okay, simply people getting their heads
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out of their cell phones and paying attention to what
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is going on around them. Joe, How important is that?
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Well, it's probably the most paramount of thing that you
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can do. If you're not situationally aware, not paying attention
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to your surroundings, of course you're gonna miss something that
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later after the fact you can see was blatantly obvious. Yeah,
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it's important to, like you said, get your head out
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of your cell phone, start looking up, staying in a
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ready condition, not like we said, not in a condition
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read where you're completely locked down and petrified with fear,
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but just maintaining a present vigilance, looking at things that
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don't seem to add up, don't seem to fit in,
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doesn't seem to be quite right. You know that that
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sixth sense, if you will, We've said it here before.
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He makes the hair stand up on the back of
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your neck. Something's just not kosher to say. And the
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other thing is not just observing it, but being able
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to properly and quickly report it to the proper location.
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Don't go and just tell a coworker, Hey, I saw
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this this X, Y or Z, whatever it is. Making
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sure that information is relayed to the proper channels in
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a expedited and efficient manner so that it can be
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dealt with prior to it being too late.
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Yeah. I think that's a great point, Joe, you know,
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because we see so often people that see something going on,
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but instead of alerting authorities, they just stand around and
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take video of it.
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Yeah, you know, it becomes water cooler conversation.
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Yeah.
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And you know, it's one thing to take video of
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a perpetrator running away or whatever the case is, or
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getting into a car and trying to get a picture
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or a video of a license plate, or a description
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of the vehicle, description of the person, clothing description, things
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like that. But you know when you see something, Joe,
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that is going on and people are like, oh, look,
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you know there's a guy with a rifle over there
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on that building, and they're just taking video of it
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rather than alerting anybody, and then a gunshot rings out.
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Well that's that's not right, right, you know. So I
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agree one hundred percent, Joe with what you said about
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making sure you know, if you see something, say something.
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You hear that all the time, but it's so true.
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And Joe, you know what about the typical reaction of
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waiting until something bad occurs and then you know, asking
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those two questions what you know, what what should we
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have done different here? Or you know, how can we
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prevent something like this in the future? You know, you know,
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maybe Joe, as you heard me say, maybe I'm the
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idiot surrounded by geniuses. Okay, but shouldn't these questions be
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asked and answered prior to a violent attack taking place?
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Yeah, after the facts, it's just too late. The thing
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of it is, the problem is exactly as you read four,
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and that was addressed by I can't remember the gentleman's
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name at the school that he runs there. But as
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far as spending money, a lot of times we see
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that places they're like, oh, we have security cameras, But
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unfortunately the security cameras are twenty at this point, maybe
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twenty years old. Even if they're not and they're new,
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they're not a quality product, doesn't have high enough resolution.
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In some of the cases, I've explained that it looks
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like they cleaned the lenses with basoline or the lenses themselves.
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They haven't done proper maintenance on equipment. Lenses become dirty,
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you know, dust particles that will ruin a lens, things
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like that. But you see that, like you said, they
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end up needing and spending money in a budget item
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when it's an issue that's a hot topic, right, and
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they will spend what is not necessarily always what's required
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that they don't. It doesn't go above and beyond to
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meet an exception, it meets a standard. But then when
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things like you said are calm, you know, when the
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cas are when the caees are calm, it becomes a
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line item that once there's another hot button item or
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a hot topic that's not pertaining to security, then that's
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when we start seeing budget cuts from the security and
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and then we get into the cycle of ups and
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downs and it's you know, the will it won't happen
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here mentality or it's never happened. So it's something that
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we're spending money on that we don't necessarily need to
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keep upgrading because we have it, or what we have
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is good enough.
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Yeah, you know, Joe, I think that's excellent what you're saying.
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You know, you actually kind of already answered my next question,
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which was going to be about you know, organizations buying
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technology and then failing to admin or maintain them, you know,
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and we're kind of, you know, let's let's go focus
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on what you're actually just you know, what you were
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just talking about, which is, you know, there's definitely something
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to be said, Joe, and I think you've hit it
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on the head about the old saying, you know, the
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squeaky wheel gets all the grease right. You know, one
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of the things that I learned when I was a
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police chief is that people are nowhere to be found
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when things are going good. However, let one major incident occur, Joe,
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and people will pack the town hall meeting, right, okay,
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standing room only. And this is something that you know,
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I've actually tried to pass along to other chiefs and
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sheriffs along the way, because until you actually have have
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been part of that and seeing it occur in you know,
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when you're the CEO of the department, you know, it's
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it's kind of a foreign and thing, you know, and
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it's very similar to how organizations actually react to violence, Joe.
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You know, they, like you said, they put in an
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effort for a very short time after a violent incident occurs,
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and after that they relax, and then after a few years, Joe,
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they even begin those budget cuts and cutting corners like
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you were talking about, right, and the very first thing
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to cut is normally security, you know, just like in
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the public sector, it's public safety, right. And what they
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don't realize is how this cycle actually can substantially raise
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their liability Joe. You know, and what are your thoughts
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on how organizations you know, they will fund changes and improvements,
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but most for only that very short period of time
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that you were kind of talking about, you.
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Know that mean to get a danger right, Yeah, I
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mean I didn't mean to hit on that part, but
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to circle back around and then I'll come back to this. Yeah,
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we were talking about the importance of the proper maintenance.
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Some of the key points that I wanted to point
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out that I've seen in the past is outdated equipment,
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which we kind of discussed, lack of updates, lack of
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updates for software firmware, you know, things like that, lack
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of storage capacity, limited duration, gone somewhere before and said no,
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we only have video that's only here for twenty four hours.
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Because they don't budget in enough storage because the higher
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quality resolution takes more storage base cloud based storage is expensive.
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Local site is limited to physical storage capacity, and you know,
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the higher quality, the bigger chunks, takes up more. You know,
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it's just it becomes a never ending cycle of how
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much do we need to spend? Well, I can't answer
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that question for you. How important is it to you?
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Well?
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Yeah, Joe?
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And how many times have you investigated a scene where
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you're like, hey, can I get the footage from that
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video camera in person? Oh? Well, that video camera hasn't
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worked for four years or it doesn't it doesn't work
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at all.
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I guess it's just there because it was there when
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we bought the place, but we've never done anything with ye.
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Yeah. The other thing is the of just updating times.
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I've worked a case before where the number of times
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we had cameras from five different locations and each one
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of the times was so far off that I had
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to make a matrix in a spreadsheet to show the
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differential differentiations of current time on the video to actual
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time of the event. And talk about going into prosecution
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and having to bring this up and keep all those
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straight and tell you this one is at twelve pm,
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but the actual time is one thirty two am. So
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now I have to keep all those numbers straight, and
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I have to do all that that pre work as
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far as the math to make sure that when I'm
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articulating why we're seeing twelve o'clock on the video when
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the crime happened at one thirty two, I can explain that,
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but it takes a lot of work in the background
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to make sure that you're ready for ready for testimony.
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Yeah, something as simple as that they didn't have it
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stept for daylight savings time or whatever.
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You know, they haven't done maintenance in just some resets
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because the power shuts down and they never reset it
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and doesn't sink to anything.
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Yeah, yeah, what do you what are your feelings about
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a little bit off topic, but what are your feelings
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about some of these companies being more concerned about damage
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control after the situation and how to improve their image
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after a situation, you know, and how much that plays
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into their actions directly after something occurs, and then it
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just kind of goes away after that.
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As far as what what's going away.
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The funding like like they they I think that in
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some cases, oh, some of these companies tend to, uh,
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they they tend to you know, have their their damage
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control division and say like, hey, we need to do this, this, this,
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and this to improve our image and to show that
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we're taking steps, you know, but it's really just more
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of a feel good kind of thing and look at
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what we're doing, rather than well.
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That's like you were saying about having cameras that don't function. Yeah,
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and you know you don't as the typical employee probably
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doesn't know that that camera system isn't working. So it
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gives you a false sense of security that if something
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were to happen, at least there would be somebody that
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could review it and see what occurred. Yeah, that after
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the fact stuff for damage control. I mean, I know
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nobody wants to look bad, but it's about being accountable.
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It's about you know, saying, this happened and we weren't prepared,
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and nobody wants to say that. That's what I guess
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it comes down to you, because I mean we've talked
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about it before about your people are your most important commodity,
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your most important asset, and they should be able to
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be secure and feel safe where they work. And you're
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doing them a disservice if you're pulling a veil of
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that security for their own peace of mind. When you know,
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as a head of a corporation or a company that
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you're you're cutting expenses and you're not doing all that
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you could to keep them safe.
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Do you.
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Do you think, Joe, that there's a lot of incidents
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around the world where companies and organizations decide that their
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bottom line is more important than their protection of their
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staff and the welfare of their staff.
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Unfortunately, Yeah, I'm sure there are. I don't have any
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that I can name, or don't have enough resource information
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to be able to say this or that.
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Yeah, And you know, but just like we see it
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all over place, we see it in corporate America all
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the time, Joe, where people will know that there is
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an item that may be dangerous, but they fail to
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recall it because it will hurt their bottom line, right.
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Yeah, profit margin and the power of the almighty dollar. Yeah,
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sometimes trump's the necessity.
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And Joe, as a parent, how would you feel if
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if your daughter, for instance, was at a location that
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you had been to in the past, she had been
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to in the past. You've seen all sorts of security
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measures like cameras up all over the place and things
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like that. And then an incident occurred and you found
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out that this system was hadn't been working for a
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few years.
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I'd have a lot of questions.
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I'd have a lot of tough questions that people will
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probably wouldn't be able to give me an answer, or
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they'd give me the run around on an answer.
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Yeah, and that's not acceptable.
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Yeah, and folks, you know, it's not only not acceptable,
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but you actually raise your liability of as a company, okay,
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or as an organization. If you have things in place
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that are not functioning properly, it raises your liability. It
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doesn't lower your liability, it doesn't remain neutral. It raises
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your liability. And I'll tell you why. And there's plenty
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of cases out there that have been won in civil
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court that dealt with lawsuits over things like having cameras
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that people felt were being monitored but were not being monitored,
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were being recorded, but there was no signage at all
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that stated that. In fact, if there was any signage
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at all, the signage made it made people feel like
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they were being monitored, you know. And so when a
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sexual assault took place, directly in the view of one
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of those cameras, and the victim was yelling and screaming
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and waving her hands and arms and trying to get
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help towards that camera, and no help ever came. That
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resulted in a lawsuit, and that victim won that lawsuit.
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The other thing is, can be an item as simple
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as a parking lot light illumin air on a building
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or a parking lot. If you have that light or
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that and it's not functioning well, that raises your life ability, Okay,
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it's actually higher than not having the light there at all,
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all right. But a poorly lit area that is, you know,
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accessed by the public. It needs to be lit at
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night if it's open at night, all right, And that
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liability and that risk is there not only from a
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violent encounter or a criminal offense, but it's also there
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from the fact that somebody could step out and slip
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and fall or trip over something because they can't see it,
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all right. So, but your liability can actually raise if
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you have a light source that is not functioning, okay,
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and then they find out in court that you knew
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about it, but you did nothing about it for the
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last two years and you knew the light was out.
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Yeah, I'll put it to you this way really quickly.
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I feel like I would almost guarantee one hundred percent
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of the time that the money that you could invest
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in improving and maintaining proper security is far, far less
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as far as the percentage of what you're going to
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have to pay out if there's an incident that occurs
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and you're civilly liable. Yeah, I'm talking pennies on the dollar.
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Yeah, let's talk about that, you know, let's actually talk
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a little bit about that. You know, folks, And don't
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get me wrong, Okay, this goes on almost everywhere. Okay,
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we're not immune from it right here in Bedford. Okay.
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I am a certified CPS, which is a crime prevention specialist,
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all right, and that has thousands of hours of extra
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training over the years to keep that certification. It's an
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extra and above certification above my law enforcement training, all right.
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And I got one or to percent of that training
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prior to coming to Bedford and funded a lot of that.
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On my own. All right.
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So, Joe, do you know how many times our town
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has requested a security side assessment of town facilities?
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I know, probably few I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, absolutely, and that is totally correct. Okay, only one time,
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and that was at the request of John which is
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the director of Bedford Electric, and I conducted a security
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side assessment of their building and also a couple of
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their power station locations. So you know that that is it.
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None of us are are immune to this, okay. And
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you can have a CPS on staff and just for
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some reason not even call and ask hey, can you
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look this over? Can review this? Can you? You know,
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and you have somebody on staff that has that training
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and for those agencies out there, and you know, folks,
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there's crime prevention specialists all over the country. Okay, definitely
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all over Virginia. And those folks are they specialize in
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doing things like reading blueprints, for instance, looking at sites
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prior to them being built. We're talking about Joe acting
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before right, not after. Well, one of the things that
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we do as CPS is is we look over blueprints
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and plans for sites and we can say, okay, well,
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let me look at the overlay that has, for instance,
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the lighting overlay, or let me look over bring up
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the overlay for the the plants, the landscaping and we
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specialize in knowing, Okay, hey, this kind of plant is
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fine right now, but in four years from now, it
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will overgrow that lumina air. Okay, that that that that
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what most people would just call light okay in a
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lot or whatever. And so we can see those issues
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and we can see the issue of hey, this wall
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pack light here will cause more glare for people trying
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to see what's going on. Then it will do you
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any good. And because you're trying to save a couple
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of dollars and use less lighting, you're you're going to
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be it's going to be detrimental overall, you know.
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So we we're trained in that. But very few jurisdictions
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well I won't say very few, I'm not actually sure
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about that, but there's there's some jurisdictions I know that
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are utilizing their CPS's uh to overlook and review plans
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before places are built, you know. And then there's others
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uh that you know, and these these cps is are
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very versed in septet crime prevention through environmental design, and
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there's others that you know, don't have that happening. And
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then that's where you get those jurisdictions where you walk
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around and you see all sorts of issues consistently and
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constantly that could have been prevented with their on staff
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CPS Joe, you know, but they just are not utilizing them.
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Well why do you feel that is?
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I mean, I think that people would want to hear
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from a specialist on how they can improve the safety
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and security of their staff.
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Right.
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Well, yeah, and you know, I think that in most
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jurisdictions are not necessarily a jurisdiction, but an organization even Okay,
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whether it's a business, a company, whatever the case is,
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they're managed with a philosophy that you know, what they
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don't know cannot hurt them. Okay, how many times have
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you seen examples of that, folks, all you listeners out
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there that you say, you know, they had to have
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known about this, but they just chose not to do
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about you know. And and because you frequent the place
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and you've seen it that way for the past year
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and it has not been addressed, right, Well, they're more
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concerned that once something is brought to their attention, they
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have a duty to act on it and address the issues. Okay,
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So the real problem is that if they fail to
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do so, then they may be guilty of deliberate indifference,
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and many people in management roles they don't like having
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to address issues that involve the risk of harm to
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another person. As cops, Joe, we deal with that each
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and every day, right, okay, But however, the truth is
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that most CEOs and managers of these businesses they couldnt
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be cops, and they would admit that to you. They
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could admit that, all right. They shy away from such issues.
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And many of them are so busy trying to keep
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their jobs, however, that they fail to do their job. Okay,
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you've heard me say that over and over, but that's
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the truth. However, I have a message for all of
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you CEOs out there. If you consciously disregard a known
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risk of serious harm to another person, well especially if
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it is a member of your own staff, well you
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could find yourself in a civil rights lawsuit that will
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cost you and your organization a lot of time, effort,
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and money, and you will lose in the end. And
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this is exactly what Joe was just talking about. How
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prevention is cheaper than reaction.
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All right.
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Therefore, it's much quicker, easier, and cheaper to address the
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issues prior to an incident. And you know, once something
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is pointed out to you, even if it's not in writing, Okay,
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a lot of times you hear people say, if it's
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not in writing, it didn't happen, all right. But even
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if it's not in writing, it can be verbal. You
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better act on it, okay, because if you fail and
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continue to try to duck and cover and stick your
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head in the sand, you will eventually learn a very
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costly lesson. And when you make a conscious choice to
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delay addressing health or safety issues, well you cannot later
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claim that it was a simple mistake. Okay, don't believe me, Well,
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consult your own personal attorney, and he or she will
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agree and know and and you know, it's not only
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your organization that will be held liable, okay, it is you,
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as an individual that will be held liable. You cannot
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claim qualified immunity in a case like this, Okay. The
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law has been well established and an objectively reasonable person
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in your position, well you should know better. So, Joe,
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do you have any thoughts on managers of organizations not
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addressing safety, security, or other workplace concerns.
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Yeah, it's like you said earlier, it's it's it ends
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up being uh like negligence, gross negligence, and deliberate indifference. Yeah,
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and it's gonna it's gonna cost you a lot of
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money that you could have avoided just by taking the
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necessary steps.
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Yeah, doing what's right, you know, and caring about about
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not only your own staff, Joe, but people in general.
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You know, if if we could get back to that
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the Bay of human decency, Yeah, you know, that would
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answer a lot of things. Well, Joe, you know what's
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next on the role called roster.
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Well, next up is the House. Republicans are proposing increasing
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security funding by thirty million in the wake of growing
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concerns about political violence in the country. The fund is
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included in the stopgap bill to fund the government that
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Republican leaders hope to approve this week ahead of September,
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the twenty ninth deadline. Is unclear if the legislation has
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enough votes to pass. Safety concerns among lawmakers has grown
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in the days following the murder of conservative activists and
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political commentator Charlie Kirk at an event last week at
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the Utah Valley University. There has been a broad uptick
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over the course of the past year of members utilizing
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the security program. The thirty million in addition to the
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fifty eight million in security funding for people in the
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judicial and executive branches recently requested by the White House.
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The congressional allotment would be added to a long standing
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mutual aid program which allows for the redistribution of local
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law enforcement that would help secure lawmakers partially when in
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their homes and districts. The funding would last until the
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November twenty first end, the end date of the proposed
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stop gap bill.
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Yeah, you know, and concerns about rising political violence have
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been brillied, you know, for quite some time now. So
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in the last fourteen months alone, there were targeted attacks
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of state lawmakers and their spouses. In Minnesota, there were
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two assassination attempts of President Trump and an arson at
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the residence of Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, you know, Joe.
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And if you really want to get even more local,
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what about the Danvil Right, wasn't the council guy the
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councilman set on fire?
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Right?
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I mean right here in Virginia, right down the street
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front us. So you know, the recent assassination of Kirk however,
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who was a counselor and a friend of many Republics
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on Capitol Hill. Well, that's hit Congress heart and the
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tragedy has also initiated a number of uncomfortable but necessary
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conversations about important issues like the safety and security of
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our members. House Speaker Mike Johnson, which is a Republican
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out of Louisiana, told reporters on Capitol Hill on Tuesday,
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and I meid various vigils for Kirk members have reflected
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on security concerns. I found myself over the past couple
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of days, you know, looking around a little bit more
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and being a little more careful than I normally would,
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said Republican Tom swaze Right, Joe No Swacly swaz Right,
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Tom Swasey, I think is how he pronounced his name.
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He's a Democrat out of New York, so you know,
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he was one of a handful of House Democrats to
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join their GOP colleagues at a vigil for Kirk at
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the Capital Monday evening. People are scared, Swazi said, I'm
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on several different text chains with members and I just
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see a lot of comments back and forth about what
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should we do, how should we spend the money that's
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been allocated for this, and what ideas do you have?
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And in the wake of Kirk's murder, members on both
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sides of the aisle said they would be adjusting their behavior.
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Representative Alexandria Acasio Cortez, which is a Democrat out of
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New York whose long faced death threats, told reporters last
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week that she is postponing a planned public event, and
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Representative Nancy Mace, a Republican of South Carolina who is
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running for governor, said that she was canceled or she
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was casually canceling an outdoor in public events for the
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foreseeable future. So this, Joe has definitely got people concerned,
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you know, and this is a terrified time. She said,
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I will be locked and loaded with one in the
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chamber because it's unsafe. And you know, and and you
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know that those are strong words, but Joe, this is people.
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These are people that are uh, you know, are representatives
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that are are scared, you know, and you know what,
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they have a reason to be right when we have
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people Joe that and you know, we could talk about
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this all day long, Joe, but people that just will
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use violence instead of their words, right, you know, why
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can't we just sit down at a round table Joe
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and you know, agree to disagree sometimes just talk it out.
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But I tell you what what we found, Joe and
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you and I found this time after time when we
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sit people down at a round table, people start understanding
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they're a lot more alike than they are different. You know,
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they may have their differences, but you know, most people
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at a round table, Joe, they all want to say
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they want things like they want to be happy, they
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want their friends and family to be healthy. You know,
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they have all these things. They want to be able
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to live comfortably, you know. Uh, and they like doing
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a lot of the same things, whether they're Democrats, Democrats, Republicans,
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whatever the case may be. Hey, some of them enjoy
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going to concerts, some enjoy going to the movies, some
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of them enjoy going to dinner, you know, and they
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they find out, Hey, people are a lot more similar
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than they are different.
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Yeah, And that can be said not just in politics
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or just in general in life. Yeah, if you just
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take the time to listen to somebody, you may find
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out that you got a lot more in common with
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that person, or you've shared the similar experiences, whether they're
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positive or negative, and you can really reach out and
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that human element becomes more of a revelation that, like
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you said, we're a lot more similar than we are dissimilar.
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Yeah, yep, absolutely, Joe.
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Security guidance sent in July the members was shared again
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last late last week, including details of a residential security
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program and explanations of how local law enforcement can be
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utilized if threats arise. Following the targeted violence of state
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lawmakers in Minnesota, the House also launched a pilot program
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that increased lawmakers security monitoring and maintenance allotment from one
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hundred and fifty five thousand dollars a month for the
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retainer of fiscal year twenty twenty five or the remainder.
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I should say.
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Members may also use the money for personal security while
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traveling in their district or to protect their homes. The
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program is set to expire at the end of the month,
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and I will pause for the train.
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Yep.
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And they should blot on one more time, and maybe
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one more the US Capitol Police there it goes. Told
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NPR its agents are on track to work through roughly
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fourteen thousand threat assessment cases by the end of the year.
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Over the weekend, House Democrats held a virtual briefing with
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the House Sergeant in Arms and Capitol Police reviewing existing
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security programs of available members. And here's a quote from
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Republican John Morelli, who's a Democrat out of New York.
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I don't think there's any question that people are very concerned. Morelli,
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serves who serve as the ranking member of the House Administration,
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went on to say, I think that what happened in Minnesota.
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Was a wake up call for folks.
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This shortly on the heels of that with another public figure,
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I think just lets members know that this can happen
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to anyone at any moment. He doesn't think the five
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thousand dollars a month allotment via the pilot program is sufficient,
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and that's saying a lot, being that it was one
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hundred and fifty dollars to start with. We need more,
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or we need to do more, he said, acknowledging lawmakers
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must remain sensitive to how much the program costs. I'm
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sure people back home are thinking, well, do you need
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to really do more for members of Congress in this moment,
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Morelli said, But I think that it's important to ensure
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the integrity of the democracy and the need for people
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to communicate and talk to their members of Congress. If
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we get to the point where constituents can't engage with
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their members because the members don't feel comfortable in town
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halls are highly attended events, I can't imagine how we
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do our job effectively.
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Yeah, Joe, So what about what is that about sixty
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thousand dollars a year or something like that, right, And
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the thing is is that, you know, folks, you don't
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have that that money set aside. You don't have that
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five thousand dollars allocated budget to help protect you and
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your family. Uh So just keep that in mind, you know.
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And it goes back to what we talked about. You know,
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we need to sometime leave the ego at the door. Okay.
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And like Joe, like I said in the past, about
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eighty five percent of defense attorneys' cases that I know
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about our road rage incinents. Y Okay, road rage incindents, folks.
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And so that right there shows what kind of society
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we've turned into. You know, every little thing is going
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to make people angry, and they're making people angry enough
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to shoot a lady in the face the other night.
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That that a road rage incident. Again, So so folks,
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just you know, You're going to have to just be
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a little bit more What am I trying to say, Joe,
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I don't want to say mature, but but really, you know,
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just chill out a little bit, you know.
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That's I mean, it doesn't have to be something technical.
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They just people just we've said it before. You just
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need to, I don't.
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Know, be a little more patient and a little bit
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more understanding that that this person, Like with Joe and
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I talked about in the past with with road rage,
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a lot of times a person doesn't even know what
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they did to make you mad, you know, So just
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keep that in mind. And the other thing keep in
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mind is that there, you know, is that that could
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be a family in that other vehicle. That could be
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a mother or father, you know. And you hear me
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say it all the time, mother, father, brother, sister, son
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or daughter, you know. And and the thing is is
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they could have a little one in that vehicle, you know,
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so that you can't see that's in a child's seat
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or whether the case is. But when it all comes
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down to it, please remember the words that we've been
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talking today. When you sit down at the end of
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the day, those that you think are on the opposite
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side of the political spectrum or your way of belief
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or whatever the case is. They're sitting down at the
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end of their day too much in the same way
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you are, and much with the same thoughts that you are.
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You know, they want to pet their dog or their cat,
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and they want to play with their kids, and they
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want to you know, eat dinner and have good conversation
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and maybe have a movie before putting you watch a
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movie and read the kids a bedtime story before putting
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them sleep. So many more similarities than we have differences, Joe.
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And if people would just take the time to use
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their brain, you know, once again, Joe, before the incident
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and not daring and after the incident when their judgment
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is all clouded because they're so angry or whatever, if
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they would think, now, folks, as all we're asking you
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to do, and remember that you're not that much different,
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and we all have families and things that we love
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and things that we love to do. We're a lot
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more like maybe we could improve as a society, Joe.
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But you know, this is about the time, Jobe, where
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we pay tribute to a falling officer of Knute.
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Yeah, this week, we'd like to pay tribute to Deputy
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Sheriff Andras and he goes by Andy Lahara with the
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Citrus County Sheriff's Office in Florida, and the watch was Thursday,
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September the eleventh, twenty twenty five. Deputy Sheriff Andy Lahara
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succumb to injuries he received on May the twenty third,
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twenty twenty three, when he was struck by a vehicle
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while directing traffic at the intersector of Saunders Way in
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the South Lakota Highway in Lakota, Florida, around nine oh
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five pm. Deputy Lahara was directing traffic after the graduation
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ceremony at Locento High School. Despite wearing a reflective vest,
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holding a flashlight, and having emergency lights active on his
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patrol vehicle, he was hit by a vehicle traveling southbound
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on South Lakento Highway. Deputy Lahara was airlifted to the
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hospital with a traumatic brain injury and internal injuries as well.
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He was later moved to a rehabilitation facility where he
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passed away on September the eleventh. Deputy l Lahara has
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served with the Citrus County Sheriff's Office for more than
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fourteen years. And was the Lecanto Middle School resource officer.
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He has survived by his wife and two sons.
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Or we definitely pay tribute to that officer, as well
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as all the other officers and canines who have sacrificed
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to the line of duty. And Joe, I think that
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that was kind of the moral of the story today
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is people just need to calm down, breathe you know,
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remember that we're not that much different at the end
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of the day. We can have different beliefs, and we
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can have different you know, political backgrounds and affiliations and whatnot,
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but at the end of the day, you know what.
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We're just people.
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Yeah, and how about doing a little reflection on consequences
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rather than immediate, unresolved action.
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Yeah, absolutely, Joe, Absolutely So, folks, we do this because
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we love you, and I think that that's the word
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of the day to day is love yourself and love others. Okay,
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and just take a deep breath and know we're a
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lot more likely than different, and remember that we're your friends,
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we are neighbors, but most of all, we are your
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police department, and we thank you for your support. I'm
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Captain Robert Kimbrill and I'm Sergeant Joe Doul that's true.
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Thanks