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Our Summer Guest Series continues with this profound, energizing, and a-little-silly conversation with D'Juan Wilcher, a Navy veteran, a distinguished alum of Indiana University, and Deputy Director at the George W. Bush Presidential Center, where his work spans veteran economic opportunity, education pathways, mental health, and civic engagement. He's also a first-generation college student from Gary, Indiana, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Truman National Security Project, a mentor, a husband, and a dad of three boys, which, as you'll hear, might be the most instructive leadership laboratory of all.
In this conversation, Marissa and D'Juan dig into several critical topics, including what it takes to talk and lead across difference, the ingredients that set good leaders apart from mediocre ones, why leaders have to get comfortable with non-closure, and what emotional integrity and compassionate accountability look like for different generations. We also trade many metaphors about crayons, lemons, and holding doors open (literally and professionally). D'Juan also opens up about his transition out of the Navy, reflecting in real time on how living in Chicago during a period of social unrest reshaped what service meant to him, and how being a Black father means holding two truths at once: preparing his sons for the world as it is, while protecting their childhood for as long as he can. Tune in to hear:
- Why curiosity and humility are the engine of every conversation across difference
- Why not everything needs resolution
- The inference trap: how "if they believe that, they must believe this" thinking breaks teams, tables, and countries
- Marissa's ask vs. assume framework for interrupting assumptions before they harden
- Parenting as leadership: what managing three kids in three different ways teaches about meeting people where they are
- The crayons-in-the-box metaphor for emotional vocabulary, and why every generation is coloring on different paper
- What civilian organizations could learn from the Navy
- Service beyond the uniform: why holding the door open (at Target and in your career) counts
- Why it's so important to prioritize your people's growth, hold folks accountable to what you agreed on, and lead with optimism
Mentioned in this episode:
- The Man the Moment Demands by Jason Wilson
- Travis Manion Foundation
- The George W. Bush Institute's Veteran Leadership Program
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ChatGMB: Wisdom & Insights for Modern Leaders is produced for leaders, managers, and changemakers seeking insight, tools, perspective, and real talk on topics such as human-centered leadership, team culture, conflict transformation, burnout prevention, and more. There is no fancy editing or over-polished scripting. Tune in to hear me in all my imperfection, talking for as long as it feels "right" on the topics that light me up or set me on fire.
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About the Show
GMB stands for “the Great Marissa Badgley” — a nickname my husband lovingly uses to remind me that I am great, good, competent, courageous, and enough. The name is also a playful nod to ChatGPT, which so many of us rely on for answers (maybe more than we should). Think of this as the human alternative: honest real talk, wisdom sharing, and actionable strategies on the specific leadership and culture topics that surface again and again in my consulting, coaching, and facilitation work.
