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Welcome to another horrifying episode of Bill and Ashley's Terror
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on the Marquee. This week is Aliens. Join us right
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after we get back from discussing why suddenly, after all
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these years, I think Paul Riser is hot? All that
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after these ads we have no control over. Welcome back.
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I'm Ashley Coffin, Joined us always by my co host
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and Terror Bill Bria, Bill Darling. How are we today?
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I am great, ash I'm in the pipe five by
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five A saying that I still don't know what it means,
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but I say it a lot.
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It's like, you know how the kids are like six seven.
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I'm like, yeah, don't bring that up me. I don't
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know what that means.
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Yeah, but I'll just I'll keep saying it because it
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sounds cool.
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Thanks Mark, bringing Mark.
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You should keep saying wait, hold on a second, well
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before you say your thing, this is our guest. Let's
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play in our show many times before. It is Mark
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kar Kusha uh racked on Tour, Made About Town. We've
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given your official credits a million times, so this is
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just it's Mark.
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On Jaws.
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It's that guy.
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First of all, you know they mostly come at night mostly,
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but in the tube five by five.
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I had to say, I was, I did a rewatch today.
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Mine was yesterday, and and.
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I had the thought during that scene, and I know
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that five by five is like old radio talk of
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like the signal being strong, five by five. I got
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you five by five? Uh, And I think I want
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to say in a tube it is. I believe she's
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in the pipe, right, is a surfing thing like when
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you're on the surfboard.
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Oh, you're getting pitted.
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In the curl, probably getting pitted with some other turtles.
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And I was like, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,
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oh yeah.
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The drop ship is like you know.
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It's coming in.
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I think that's what it means. But it's a beautiful phrase.
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Did you get the net ash Okay listeners, There is
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a gnat that is currently torturing or hostrassing me. So
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if you hear slaps during this, it's probably as trying
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to kill.
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It's so fast, it's like one of those the Japanese
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ones that are over here, the lantern lantern flies. You
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get them and they're like terminator.
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I mean, Ash is on a bug hunt. Yeah, she
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heard alien and she's.
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Like my buzzy tennis racket right now, I would, Yeah,
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you want more of a stand up it, yaha, looks
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like the ship everything, like when Bishop calls it in
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and it's just like coming through and it's that cute
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little miniature and she just comes right towards my face
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and I can't get it all right at it.
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We're all friends here, but we should probably put some
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structure on this. So let's go around talk about our
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initial encounter with this film with Aliens, because it is
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a classic of the genre. It's something that everyone's pretty
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much heard of, if not seen, so it doesn't need
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a terribly long introduction in terms of like what it is,
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but we'll still do it. But you know, it's not
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an obscure one for sure. So like, how did you
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guys come across Aliens in your lives for the first time?
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I almost feel like I watched these both at such
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a young age. I don't kind of remember which one
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I saw first. But what I do remember is when
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I used to go to Disney World MGM Studios, which
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I don't think exists anymore, used to have the Great
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Movie Ride, and my favorite part of that ride, because
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I would write it over and over again as kids do,
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was when the alien would come out of the elevator
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and attack you, and then was there and throughout your
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little ride, the alien was like at the top and
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coming down. So every time I watched this movie, it
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reminded me of that specific ride, and that must have
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been when I was, you know, in my teens. But
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that that scene when she you know, the elevator comes
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up and the queen busts out, sticks out in my
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mind a lot more than anything from the first movie. Almost.
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That's so funny because great movie ride was alien themed,
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it didn't have aliens in it.
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So really, yeah, it was in an elevator.
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It was it was the ceiling, the alien's coming to
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the ceiling.
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There's videos on YouTube before it was like but yeah,
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it's easy to conflate those two, of course, but it's
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so cool that, like, yeah, the imagery from this movie
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and the first movie, even as distinct as they are, like,
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there is a relationship there that's definitely, you know, married
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for sure.
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I'm like long haired Sigourney, short haired Sigourney, and that
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is kind of the way difference kind but there is
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a difference. Like the first one is one alien. It's
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only seven characters, which it's kind of close to this one.
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It's one spaceship, it's virtually nowhere to run, and you're
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just kind of in that one atmospheric, claustrophobic place where
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this opens it a lot more because Jane Cameron's was like, well,
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what if I said there was one hundred of them?
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And yeah, I feel like because of in the eighties
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when these came out, when I watched them, it was
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probably in tandem, so I get the two of them
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very confused with maybe even which one I saw first?
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What about you, Mark, I definitely saw Aliens first. I
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think I talked about this when we did the Alien episode.
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I didn't see Alien until I was in high school,
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but Aliens. I somehow got a hold of a VHS
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of Alien when I or Aliens when I was like
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a preteen. I don't know how old I was.
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But I loved it.
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I have like distinct memories of We had one of
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those like little TV VCR combos that we used to
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take on like long car trips, and we would put
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it in like the third row of the suburban and
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just like my brother and sister and I would watch
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movies for entire car rides.
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We would drive down to the Key West with the
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TV hooked up in the back of the connectors.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I have distinct memories of, like I had bunk beds,
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and I have distinct memories of bringing that little TV
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up onto the top bunk and making my little brother
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and sister watch it because I knew, like they weren't
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supposed to be watching and so that was probably a
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little older by that point, I mean like thirteen or fourteen,
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but my brother and sister were definitely too young to
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be watching it, and I made them watch it. And
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because what's better about you know, what is more like
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a seminole horror experience than.
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Scaring other people?
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Yeah, but yeah, man, I loved this movie so much.
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I still do think it's. During my rewatch, I was like,
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this is in my top five for for sure.
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My birthday present from you right over there looking at me,
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the Queen, the yeah Mark got me this adorable because
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I think she's great queen. I don't even know what
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it's not an action figure, it's a.
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It's a it's it's a maquette or a I don't
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know how's You're gone.
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Yeah, it's not figured that doesn't move yeah, it's.
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Better than an Action's glorious and I see her every day. Yeah,
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I love that she's the Disney princess now, so like.
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Yeah yeah right technically yeah yeah yeah, And you know,
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speaking of action figures real quick, I also talk about
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my experience with this movie being the oldest person here
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and U talking about the toys.
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Thank you, the toys an old guy. The toys that
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we got in the eighties.
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We had Rambow toys, we had RoboCop toys, we had
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you know, all the r rad movie toys. There was
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briefly Aliens toys, and they were so fucking good. I've
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got my my.
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Gorilla alien beautiful.
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They weren't as cool as they could have been because
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like they were all like supposed to be like crossed
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with animals. And for the people at home, I'm holding
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up the gorilla one, which looks the most like a
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regular alien from this year. Yes, a little like gorilla proportioned,
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but yeah, no, I was. I would think I was
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like right in the sweet spot of like eighties kid
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to like absolutely love this movie more than anything else
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in the world.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's funny that you brought up
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Mark your showing this to your younger siblings, because I
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had the opposite issue where you guys aren't gonna believe this.
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But my brother saw that my father, I think it
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must have been my father had recorded aliens off of HBO.
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We used to have HBO that's to it for for
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a while.
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And he was young enough, right, he was young enough
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that he insisted once he saw that it was there,
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he was like, I have to watch I have to
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watch it. And we grew up in a household where,
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like you know, we couldn't get away with a lot.
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We could get away with some things as we got older,
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but at that age for him, especially like he definitely
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would have had to check first with the parents before
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getting away with it. So he asked my mother and father,
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like can I watch it? And the decision made by
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my parents was yes, you could watch it, James, but
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only if Billy watches it with you. So then James
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asks me, and I said, no, I haven't seen the
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first one.
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That I mean that is that is perfection.
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That is perfection.
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That is so if you guys want to you know,
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I'm consistent as a person, all right, let me just
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say that. And it wasn't until the Sci Fi Channel,
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and I talked about this in our Alien episode did
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a I guess the first basic cable television airing of
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Alien where they you know, brought in Tom Scarett to
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like host it and he would like give you know,
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interviews in between. He would talk about the chessbursure scene
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before it happens. So you know, that movie, as much
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as an impact as it had on me, it didn't
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have the most impact it could have because I watched
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it with commercials with Tom Skarett, you know, bumping in
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from time to time.
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He did your brother not get to watch it because
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you didn't say.
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Yes, I don't know.
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I I officially maybe not, but I don't know if
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he just snuck it, you know. But again, now you understand,
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Now you understand like there's some deep seated animosity between siblings.
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If he still hasn't seen it, you should tell him
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to watch it.
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Yeah, this episode will act my way of telling him
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it's okay to watch it.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, So, so very shortly after that Alien TV airing
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that it was like, okay, we can finally watch Aliens,
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which we just watched that same copy taped off of HBO.
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So unlike Alien being edited for television and broke it
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up into commercials. Aliens was unedited and uninterrupted and all
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that good stuff, and it was it was grand, It
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was glorious. And I think that even just the first Alien,
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if I'd only seen that movie, I still would have
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been obsessed with the franchise. I still would have been
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a died in the wolf fan of it. But this
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really is like it is the one two punch of
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these movies, as you guys are kind of hinting at,
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which I think everybody feels. Depending on whether or not
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you'd prefer one or the over the other, it's both
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together that it's like, oh, this franchise is like special
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as hell, Like this thing is so compelling and it
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has so much, so many facets to it and so
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much depth to it, And it can be this, it
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can be that, it can be both, it can be neither.
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To the point where Mark, you know, we had a
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bunch of those toys.
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Growing up as well.
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I collected the Aliens comic books that Dark Worse Comics
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put out, especially that first Yeah, that first mini series
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from Mark vver Heiden and Mark L. Nilsen, which is
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surprisingly dark for Aliens. You know, but I love that
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it kept the tone of the first film as well,
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and yeah, and inspired me so much that, like, I
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was so obsessed with all things alien, you know, throughout
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the nineties, throughout my youth that when I was in
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I think it was seventh grade, one of our projects
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in English class was if you want to write an
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original novel or attempt to do something like that, here's
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a special like ap project you could do. I chose
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to write, essentially a fanfic aliens novel in which it
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was like the son of Carter Burke comes back and
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like you know, is trying to get the Aliens or something.
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was it was close to being but that was one
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of my first you know me creative writing things, you know.
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So this movie and these movies you know, have such
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an impact in my life and obviously yours as well,
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and so it's it's about time we'll talk about it.
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It's it's too bad that you didn't put a yaucha
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in your script. Yeah, then it could have been an
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AVP project.
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I know.
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Well, if I'd kept going, who knows, you know, maybe
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Rambo would have found his way in there too.
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When it comes to these aliens, I know we've talked
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about it before because we've talked about a lot of
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alien films. Would you so horror sci fi? We were
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having this conversation at the house the other day, like
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what qualifies horror? What qualified sci fi? I would say
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the actual aliens remind me so much of werewolves. That's
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why they scare me. It's the it's the thing, and
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then it's like they're shit. But the little ones are
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so much worse than the big ones.
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Well, I think that's the tactility, right, it's the you know,
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when you're dealing with like a full size zeno or
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xenomorph as, which was a term that fully James Cameron.
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You know, they weren't called xenomorphs and Realley Scott's firm.
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Oh yeah, I'm learning this through.
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Well, they didn't know what they were. I mean, we
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were just dealing with people who were like, what is this.
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If Mark is showing offul show off my big old
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book of the making of aliens here, Oh, currently.
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Reading through this tone.
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But yeah, Xeno comes from Yeah, another James Cameron script
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called I think it's called Mother.
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adopt the term that he already made up as a
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fictional term for an alien and put it with these
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aliens as well. But anyway, yeah, it's it's it's like
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it's too big almost, or it's too unwieldy, and like
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you can sort of get an animalistic vibe from it,
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but at the same time, it's like it's so unusual
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that like, what would it feel like, what would it
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be like moving towards you? Because so many of these movies,
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as many shots as we get of them, we don't
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really get like full uninterrupted you know, Yeah.
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The monster through a lot and then they show them,
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but they're always like im here back in shadows and
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now I'm over here to.
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The queen, whereas the little ones, like you know, by
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nature of their size, you can see them in the
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whole shot and you can see their movements and you
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can see all that, and it just has that ceiling
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of like, maybe, yeah, maybe I can run away from
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the big one. You know, It's like maybe because I
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can see it, it's in the distance I have I'm
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a fast runner or whatever. But as soon as you
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see like the slithering and the crawling and how speedy
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they are, the like, oh, it's it's over.
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Like I know that big one is going to rip
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me to shreds and I'm dead, but this little one
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is going to wrap around me, put its parts on
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my mouth, yeah, impregnate me and then a little one
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is going to burst out my chest later.
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No, no thanks, No, don't have to have that part.
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I think that that's that's a really cool thing.
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I did notice that on my rewatch that you like,
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I have all these memories where I think that like
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in these shots that you see the full alien and
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you know, like I think that they're like longer and
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and or the shots are.
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Longer and uh and I feel like, you know, I
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have these.
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Pictures in my mind, which probably are a lot are
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from like comic book covers and and other ips and
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and what or no other you know, adaptations. But it
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is really interesting that you you brought up xenomorph bill
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right before that, because a, you know, not to be
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a linguistic nerd, but zeno comes from the Greek alien
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uh and morph.
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Shape, so the name means alien shapes, which I think
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is like a very evocative Yeah.
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Yeah, It's like it's like, oh, it's just an alien shape.
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We don't even really see it before it, you know,
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knocks you out and covers you in.
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Uh yeah, secreted? Is that what's the line? Secreted?
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It looks like some kind of secreted res secretion resin.
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Yeah. The way that Bell packs and goons through all
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of us. I was like, yeah, that all of us
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look at work like every day.
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I think that, you know, one of the things that's
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that Cameron keeps intact from really Scott's film and from
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the original vision that you know, even hr Geeker had,
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which is this idea that ultimately this creature is so
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vile that like, you know, it still has to have
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an element of unknowability or mystery to it, you know,
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because it's something where, you know, as soon as you
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put it in harsh like direct light, where you see
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the whole thing moving, you know, it does rob a
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little bit of its mystique. And I think that, yeah, ultimately,
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Cameron is giving this creature so much definition in this sequel,
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which is great in terms of raising mistakes, you know,
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but he mitigates that or like you know, Levin's it
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or cuts it with like, you know, we're still going
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to not show you all of it all the time,
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you know, and let you get used to it sort
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of thing, because he still wants it to be intimidating.
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And it is all right. Well, we are going to
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get into all of the details of production and the
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rest of this feature film as soon as we get
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back from these missives from the grave that we have
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no control over. And now it is time for our
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feature film. Okay, So let's start with the plot now
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that we are back. So the plot of Aliens is
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after surviving her encounter with the alien aboard the Nostromo,
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did I say it right? Yes, Ellen, Ripley returns to
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the planet l V four two six with a group
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of colonial marines after contact with the human colony is lost.
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They discovered the colony has been overrun by aliens and
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only a young girl named Newt is still alive. As
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the marines fight to survive, Ripley learns the aliens are
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being controlled by a massive queen, with the colony collapsing
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around them. Ripley must rescue Newt and face the queen
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herself in a final battle before escaping the planet.
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And a new so let me just start out by
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reaping the benefits of this book that I'm going through,
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which I'm learning stuff that I haven't even known from
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the like the DVD or the Blu ray, which is
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that you know, initially they weren't necessarily going to make
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a sequel to Alien, which is crazy to think about now,
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but they were thinking, hey, it did its business.
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It you know, made a little bit of.
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An impact, got ripped off a bunch, you know, by
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especially by Italian exportation filmmakers like Luigi Cosey with extermination
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and contamination.
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Sorry.
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And then you know, there was literally a movie called
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Alien two in some territories which wasn't related, but it
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was an Italian film that they just gave the title
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Alien too, Alien too, No, no.
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Just the number two, but it should have been to but.
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Yeah, but but yeah, So, like it's funny how the producers,
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which was brandy Wine Productions, you know, David Guy there
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and Walter Hill and to a lesser extent, Gordon Carroll,
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were thinking, like, okay, brand's course and like that was it.
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And it wasn't until they saw obviously all these imitators
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and then people changed hands.
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Regime change at twenty.
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Instent Tree Fox, which is usually the way that most
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if you studied the Hollywood history at like most green
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lights or cancelations of a movie is all to do
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with like who's in charge of the studio of the
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time or whatever. And yeah, they they came up with
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the idea kind of which it wasn't fully James Cameron's
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idea to be like Marines in Space.
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It was initially do you know.
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Why Ridley was out?
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Well, they never and they apparently they never told him,
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They never approached him. They never really they didn't ask him.
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I mean in James Cameron, who's I mean, yeah, the
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spawning its own thing. But Terminator he only has these
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two big ones, kay under his.
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Balance, right.
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And so the thing is is that Cameron was interviewed
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for the job before he shot the First Terminator, but
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after he'd written the script for it. And it was
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the script for the First Terminator that got him in
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the door with Walter Hill's company, with Brendy Wine, and
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they said, hey, we love the script. We'd love for
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you to do like I think they wanted him to
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write a Spartacus in Space movie, which is like you know,
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Roman Slaves, but it's in space. It's science fiction and
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he was like, that's a dumb idea. And as he
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was walking out the door, David Geiler apparently said, hey,
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by the way, there's this Alien sequel.
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We're kind of kicking around.
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We don't know if we're going to make it, and
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Cameron was like, oh, you know, and we're back in
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the door and like at that point Guyler and Hill
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already had this idea of Okay, we'll you know, have
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we'll involve space marine somehow. So they kind of came
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up with the space marine idea and I guess that
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was just in the air, partially because Walter Hill had
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made a movie and Geyler called Southern Comfort, which was
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I think nineteen eighty one, and it was about like
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Vietnam vets or something going through a Southern state sort
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of militaristic kind of thing, and they were thinking along
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those lines. They were like, well, what if we just
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did that but in space again? And oh, you know
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Aliens had we owned the rights, so why not. But
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they wrote like a very short treatment. It kind of sucked,
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and it was Cameron who said, let me, let me
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take a crack at this.
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I want to do something a little bit more aggressive.
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Yeah, right, because Dino de Laurentis had used an option
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on an old Schwarzenegger to make the Conan sequel, which
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meant the Terminator couldn't start shooting for a year, and
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so for half a year, like a long time, and
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so Cameron needed to take a gig to make money
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in between because a terminator was on hold for the shoot.
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And so during that period he also got hired to
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write Rambo First Blood Part two, and he wrote Rambo
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First Blood Part two in Aliens at the exact same time.
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He said his method was he gave each movie a
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desk in his apartment. So this was the Rambow desk,
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and this was the Aliens desk.
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And so do you imagine I.
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Can't because he would write, like you know, however long
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on one desk and like switch to the other when
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he got stuck, and then like vice versa, and he
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managed to get both done. But if you I'm sure
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we'll talk about it more as we go on. But like,
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if you see a Vietnam altgory in this movie, it's
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that's why, I mean, that's why I got it.
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The whole time. I'm like all the stuff that they're
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using everything just feels so eighty. I'm like, where'd they
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get them Marborough's You know.
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At least Aliens isn't dedicated to the brave fighters. I know,
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I know this film is dedicated to the brave fighters.
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Brave Mogi kind of a misstep on Slies part.
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It's all right.
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I hadn't really known about the fact that Cameron wrote
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First Blood Part two Rambo, excuse me, Rambo, First Blood
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part two. Uh, that really does cement him as the
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king of ratcheting it up for a sequel of taking
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like a small quiet story. And I do think First
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Blood is kind of a small quiet story.
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Relatively, yeah, compared to the other ones.
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And just then what if he shot a missile out
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of a bow? Yeah that might that might not be
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chill Rambo three also but still no, you're right, it's
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red but two. And the thing that's great too is
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the fact that, like, uh, Cameron's work on the Alien
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script was so strong because initially you're right, ash, like,
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he wasn't the director of the Terminator yet he just
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wrote it and you know, hadn't proven himself because Panu
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had all these problems with the producer, who was an
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Italian expectation.
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Guy.
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Uh, that's the next one that was That was the
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one later in the two thousands. But yeah, but yeah,
493
00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:54.880
there were some three D shots of like I mean
494
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not actual.
495
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.519
Three D like things jumping at you, you know.
496
00:23:57.599 --> 00:23:59.680
And Jaws. Jaws three D was around the same time.
497
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.319
But yeah, and by the way, I do recommend if
498
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:05.960
you're a James Cameron connoisseur give pro to a watch.
499
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.880
It's not the greatest movie, but like you'll see cameronism,
500
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:14.680
it's fun and anyway, so yeah, he actually was so
501
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.359
good at this script that the producers said, hey, look,
502
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.920
we'll let you go shoot the Terminator first and wait
503
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.599
to start Alien's production until you're done with that, and
504
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.160
we'll see your cut of the Terminator.
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00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:27.079
If it's good as we hope it is, you'll be
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the director.
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But it was like a handshake deal, so at any
508
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:31.720
point they could have said, actually, we're going to go
509
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:33.519
with some other director and we'll just take your script
510
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and thank you very much.
511
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.119
You know. So this was a huge amount of like
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early Hollywood like luck.
513
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.839
For Yeah, it's kind of crazy too, because like you know,
514
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I think, you know, people around our ages kind of
515
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:50.880
think as I think of the Alien franchise as like
516
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a monolith. But like you know, we're talking about what
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Alien seventy nine, Aliens eighty six, and then Alien three
518
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:05.440
ninety three, two ninety two, So we're talking like like
519
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:09.519
six seven years between each movie, which is you know,
520
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:15.359
by today's standard, you either do it right away or
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you wait twenty years.
522
00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.319
Oh and by the way, when Camera was writing the script,
523
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Sigournine not under contract. He was just hoping that she
524
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was going to come back.
525
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.079
Yeah, like, didn't they like she found out they were.
526
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:28.759
They were that it was in development when Camera's entered
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the script.
528
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.680
Yep, because Fox didn't want Fox and Warner back. Yeah.
529
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:35.079
I see at the end, I have to be in
530
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my underwear and a tank top again with no bra deal.
531
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.880
Yeah right.
532
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.400
But he did write I feel like he did the
533
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:46.400
character so much justice. He wrote her well. He wrote
534
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.640
like she's written well in the first one, and she's
535
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.599
written to be the same character in this one. If
536
00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:54.240
I knew nothing about film and watch the movies back
537
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.720
to back, you couldn't tell me that that wasn't by
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the same director, at least writing wise.
539
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.720
He said that he had a picture of Sigourney on
540
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I guess on his alien's desk.
541
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:06.759
Yes, on his alien's desk. Yes, that's actually right.
542
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:08.920
I would have had it on my Rambo desk too,
543
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.319
Why not? I just I just like having pictures of
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Sigourney Weaver.
545
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.599
Yeah, no, you're right ash in the sense that like, uh, this,
546
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.359
I mean Ripley's return, in like the deepening of her
547
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character is completely his motivation to make the movie. It
548
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.720
was why he was so passionate about it and why
549
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.359
he really wanted to hold on to it all through
550
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the production of the Terminator, which is crazy that you know,
551
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.920
as you guys were just saying, like the Alien franchise
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as a as an entity, you know, and how many
553
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.680
years it stretches over this and this and this, Like
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00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:43.720
the entirety of The Terminator happened during its just you know, gestation,
555
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:44.680
which is crazy.
556
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.319
And he loves his actors, like Kyle Reese is in
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this one. I don't know his real name. I'm so sorry,
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00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:50.880
Michael and Michael ban There you go.
559
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.640
Who was not the original casting for that character?
560
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:55.119
I did read that.
561
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.359
Who was Yeah, it was James Remar And apparently.
562
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The time James, oh, this is much better.
563
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:03.759
And he just turned up in the odyssey as I
564
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:04.599
like him.
565
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:09.440
Uh yeah, they are going to kill you as the
566
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:10.759
voice of the pig's head.
567
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.559
Yes, that's true. Uh yeah, And he's much better now.
568
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.839
But apparently at the time.
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00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.440
In the eighties, lord show some respect.
570
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.000
Also in the eighties, apparently, I guess he might have
571
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:23.359
had a drug problem.
572
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.720
If yeah, he got he got caught with that's.
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Not I mean, yeah, so they shot, they shot for
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I guess maybe almost a week or a couple of
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days with Remart until you know, things got so bad
576
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that like he was fired.
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00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.759
I think he actually got caught. I think he actually
578
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.000
got arrested, or it might be that, yeah, he was caught.
579
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.039
It wasn't the sniff sniff. It was the plunge.
580
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.799
Plunge yeah, yeah, yeah, which I feel like in the eighties.
581
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.400
If you got caught doing blow on a movie that
582
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.359
it was like a big deal, wrap it up and
583
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.920
get out there, bud. He used it that energy. But yeah, if.
584
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.960
You're paston, sure did Yeah.
585
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Oh.
586
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.640
We should also mention the fact that, like Cameron comes
587
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out of the Roger Corman school of filmmaking. He had
588
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a huge genre movie explotation. We prestige going into this already,
589
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where before even Parana two. He had worked on movies
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like Galaxy of Terror, which if you watch that movie,
591
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.200
production design is very Aliens. You know, you could just
592
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:28.680
see like where Cameron was at because he basically did
593
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all the sets and like Matte paintings and all that.
594
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.279
But he'd worked on Battle Beyond the Stars along with
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Escape from New York. He did Matt paintings for the
596
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John Carpenter film, and so yeah, Cameron already had like
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00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.599
this this work that he met producer Gayleen Hurd on
598
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:46.799
you know who he hooked up with.
599
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Literally and figuratively.
600
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And then Bill Paxton, who came in one day to
601
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.240
like work on sets on Roger Corman's shop, and then
602
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.680
everybody was like, this guy's hilarious, Like he's so fun,
603
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:57.880
and like we should get him in front of a
604
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.599
camera too, you know, and like eventually just was like
605
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.000
starting to act.
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00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:03.599
You know.
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00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.559
That's the other thing too, is that Bill Paxton like
608
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before Aliens, not before it was shot, but before it
609
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.759
came out, he was already in Weird Science, you know,
610
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.359
so like Bill past was like yeah, yeah, so like
611
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:14.680
you know.
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00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.599
When did After Dark come out? Before or after?
613
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After that was eighty seven?
614
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.599
Dark was after this one year old.
615
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:26.119
Yeah, I know that was the summer of vampire movies,
616
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Near Dark and Lost Boys.
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00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.599
Right, yeah, yeah.
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00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.559
I was gonna say, it's really cool too with the
619
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:37.319
James Cameron connection. Is that when you know, in seventy nine,
620
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.680
when Cameron was just a you know, blue collar Canadian
621
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.880
truck or whatever, he went to see Alien and he
622
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.200
was like, wow, not so much about the movie, he said,
623
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.240
but like, I mean, obviously about the movie as well,
624
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:52.160
but like about.
625
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.799
Me and James Cameron, the way he talks about things,
626
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.559
I have problems with it. Continue. I think he's a
627
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.000
little bit pretentious sometimes, but go ahead.
628
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:00.960
He said.
629
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.400
The way that the audience reacted to it, He was like,
630
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.400
you can't do that driving a truck.
631
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:06.839
I want to.
632
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:08.880
I want to be able to have that effect on
633
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.440
an audience. So he went to I guess knocked on
634
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.880
Roger Corman's door and said, let me make piranatud right
635
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:16.960
door to Yeah.
636
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:19.559
Of course, knowing he has like an engineering background, he
637
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.240
thought he was going to be an engineer for a while.
638
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:26.000
He's definitely like a mixture of intellectual and blue collar,
639
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.240
you know, where he has like the blue collar background,
640
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.200
but at the same time has all this education, and
641
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.480
you know, I.
642
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.880
Like directors who stick with the people that they like,
643
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.720
like you see other people through his films. James Horner
644
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.000
always does a lot of his scores Titanic and then
645
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.160
Bill Paxson's in Titanic. It's very funny.
646
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.039
Yeah, although I mean this is kind of jumping ahead,
647
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.799
but yeah, James Horner and James Cameron came to not
648
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.640
blows but fights over the score.
649
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.319
Yeah, he wasn't a fan.
650
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.839
Yeah, well, James Cameron didn't make a lot of friends
651
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:57.319
on this space.
652
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.000
James Cameron doesn't make a lot of friends. I don't
653
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.480
really care for him as a human being, but I
654
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:03.720
appreciate his work.
655
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:05.000
Yeah, it's my stance.
656
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.039
As we discussed the rest of this film, I love I.
657
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.640
Love that somebody pitched him Spartacus in Space and he
658
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.640
was like, ew, no, dumb. And then twenty five years
659
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.160
later he had the idea for uh frigging Dances with
660
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:19.920
Wolves in Space and he was like, this is going
661
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.680
to be my life's work, This is going to be
662
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:24.559
my opus but with space.
663
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.640
Yeah, and everyone said, oh, well, now we're saying billion
664
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.160
dollars of James Karen again.
665
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.680
Yeah, but yeah, no, this is a yeah, this this
666
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.160
is something that like it was a really I think
667
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.720
what we're all saying here is that it was an
668
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.119
impressively charmed production because at any point it could have
669
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.039
been canceled, it could have been changed, It could have
670
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.720
you know, gone to other hands.
671
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:46.960
It could have lost to gourney.
672
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.240
You know, it could have this, this, this and this,
673
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.359
and so it really is impressive looking back, like how
674
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.200
many things fell into place just to get it started
675
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.480
and then get it made the way it got made,
676
00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:59.200
you know, which is which is.
677
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.880
What if what if Arnold wasn't contractually obligated to do?
678
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.920
Yeah, and it was you know, they ultimately could have
679
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.400
just rolled into Terminator.
680
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.759
And it didn't Mark.
681
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:14.680
Yeah.
682
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.960
So yeah, I mean there there was a lot of overlap,
683
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:19.960
as we were saying too, in terms of the art department.
684
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.319
I think Ron Cobb, who was one of the conceptual
685
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.480
designers on the first.
686
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.160
Film, came back.
687
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.599
Stan Winston was the big tire because because yeah, they
688
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.000
had just worked together on Terminator one, and you know,
689
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.480
Stan was a genius at that time, always kind of was.
690
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.279
And uh yeah, I don't know if you guys have
691
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.079
seen like the behind the scenes footage of them testing
692
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.599
the bag thing, yeah, which is so funny to watch. Yeah,
693
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.319
it's just crazy that. Yeah, they would have these solutions
694
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.720
which were rooted in I guess engineering ideas, right because
695
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.000
of how like how do you counterbalance the weight of
696
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.400
this creature and all that stuff. But like, it's it's
697
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.519
so cool to see how they were able to figure
698
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.279
these things out in a way that feels tangible and
699
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.799
different from like, you know, computer generated imagery.
700
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.720
You know, well that's the whole thing. Like the Queen's
701
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.880
one thing, but we have to create an army of aliens.
702
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:15.799
So they had dancers and miniatures and stunt performers and
703
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.160
optical effects when lighting and all of these things just
704
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.319
made it look like, oh no, there's one hundred aliens
705
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.319
descending upon me. But really it was like four.
706
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:27.480
Yeah, I think the number of suits they had were
707
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.359
just three or four or something like that, right.
708
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.759
But they crushed it. They nailed it. They're like all
709
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.000
four go, go, go, and then like you pop out
710
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.279
of the shadows. No, you pop out and the queen
711
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.119
is just so cool. But they really did it. And
712
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.799
I think the most like the most magical scene of
713
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.559
this is not showing us all of the aliens getting
714
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.039
destroyed by the machine guns in the hallway and we
715
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.799
sit we don't see it happening, but we're watching these
716
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.880
machine guns get drained of all of their amo and
717
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.279
you would think there were like there are cameras down there,
718
00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:59.559
but none of the aliens are on any of the
719
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.400
cameras that are down there. And uh, it's just one
720
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.119
of like the greatest scenes because that's the Jaw scene.
721
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.480
I always call that the Jaws. People say jumping the Shark.
722
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.440
I called the Jaws. You don't show anything, You just
723
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.920
picture in your mind and you know, like the guns
724
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.480
are going off because movements are happening, and you just
725
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.960
went through a thousand rounds in thirty seconds.
726
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:20.559
The machine guns are the barrels.
727
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.400
Oh yeah, yeah.
728
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.519
And we're talking about the machine gun sequence because that
729
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.519
is one of the many bits of uh plot footage
730
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:34.280
that's not in theatrical that's uh yeah, special director's cut.
731
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.599
Not only is my director's cut beautiful, Watching it again,
732
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:42.239
it sounds so good, it looks so good. It is
733
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.280
if you have not seen this on the director's cut,
734
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.199
I guess like four K Do they have four K?
735
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:48.239
Yeah, they do, they do.
736
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They have a four K but the Special Edition I
737
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.320
think came out a long time ago.
738
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.400
Well, I think it's first release of the nineties they
739
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:58.559
put together the special edition.
740
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.880
Yeah really, k release was only like two years ago.
741
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.800
Yeah, yep, which is probably what you have. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
742
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.679
it's it's always been that. Once you have the special disition,
743
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.320
it's the same cut. They haven't revised it. Yeah, it
744
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:14.840
sounds so good and honestly, Cameron was just here at
745
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.119
the American cinematach Director's Village, which I was supposed to
746
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:21.239
go to, unfortunately I couldn't where he talked about working
747
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.440
with Gayleen Hurd on editing the film, and it was
748
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:27.199
Gaileen Hurd's idea to take whole sections out in order
749
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.880
to bring the run time down for the theatrical release.
750
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.239
Oh yeah, you know.
751
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:34.920
This was two hours and seventeen minutes, and.
752
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.239
I was like, this is long. Some of those some
753
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.079
of those scenes.
754
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.000
Like now, as a super fan watching it, I'm like, hell, yeah,
755
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.800
give me every second of flits yum yum. It's delicious,
756
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.000
But kind of like watching it as a you know,
757
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:58.559
discerning the film, Yeah, like myself like that the the
758
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.119
the scene that stuck out to me the most as
759
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.039
like being part of the because I don't know if
760
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.440
i'd ever really seen the extended cut before, or maybe
761
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:09.280
I had, but I didn't.
762
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.920
It wasn't as ingrained in my memory at like why.
763
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.119
Now you're in love with Reser?
764
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:14.760
Yes?
765
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:20.000
Probably, But the scene with Newt and her parents going
766
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:26.800
out to the ship, and but right before that, the
767
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:28.840
scene of them going out of the ship is not
768
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.519
great and it feels very.
769
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.360
Like second unit, like hmm okay.
770
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.599
Uh, we didn't talk our establishing scene of the colony.
771
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.559
Uh yeah, of like the the there's the scene of
772
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.960
right before where they're in that cool buggy going out
773
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.920
to the ship and Newt's dad gets face huggered. There's
774
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.519
this little scene of these two like whyland Tutani employees
775
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:55.719
walking down the hall just like.
776
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.880
Oh man, doesn't it suck working for a corporation? And
777
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.960
it sure does? You know what I say? It stinks. Yeah.
778
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.199
But then there's a shot of a kid riding a
779
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:11.239
Wayland you tawny big wheel down the hallway, which yep, ah,
780
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.039
that makes it worth it.
781
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.840
Well, it's so funny to watch to compare the theatrical
782
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:19.920
cut to the extended cut, which you know, and I
783
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:24.199
think every Cameron film that has an extended cut. Both work,
784
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.559
except for the Abyss, and I think the problem with
785
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:27.880
the Abyss is that's the whole of their movies, so
786
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:29.440
we're not going to talk about it, but like, you know,
787
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.599
it has like a Riis on Dietra in the Abyss
788
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.960
that he cut out, which was but in the case
789
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.920
of Aliens, you know, both cuts work, I think, and
790
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.519
it's funny to see like how they inform each other
791
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.719
and also how they work differently, and in that way,
792
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:47.920
you know, we're seeing the classic like here's the good
793
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:49.880
life before things go bad, and like these are all
794
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.400
the people that you know, whose bodies were not going
795
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.000
to see literally, but like infer that we you know,
796
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:56.880
are seeing their bodies, whereas in the theatrical cut we
797
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.000
never get to see the colony being okay, So it's
798
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.079
just sort of like, yep, something bad happened here sort
799
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:02.760
of thing, and we don't need to see it in
800
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:04.639
terms of understanding it to go forward.
801
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:05.719
So it's interesting.
802
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.280
But I do feel like the theatrical cut is like
803
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:17.519
a tighter, tarder, more claustrophobic version, which.
804
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.239
Two days to watch this one, we fell asleep at
805
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.920
hour twenty because we worked so long.
806
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.119
You were coming on it like, yeah, it's.
807
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.559
Like, let's watch it. Well, I was like I fell aslip.
808
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.199
I was like, it said hour twenty and it was
809
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.199
fine to jump back in right when the aliens attacked.
810
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.320
We're kind of already on the topic, you know, throughout,
811
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.719
which is I asked you were talking about like sci
812
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:41.480
fi versus horror earlier, and I think you know, this
813
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.760
movie is certainly both. But you know, there's no perfect
814
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.840
blend necessarily. I don't know if you can have one.
815
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.320
I've never really been afraid of this movie.
816
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.880
And that's what's going to ask you, guys, because if
817
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.079
you have read some contemporary reviews of the movie, meaning
818
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:59.079
reviews from nineteen eighty six, so many people, especially critics,
819
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.840
were like terrified of this movie, or they were talking
820
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:03.320
about it in terms of like this.
821
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:04.559
Is the scariest huggers.
822
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:05.679
I don't know.
823
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.119
I think it was the cumulative like effect of first
824
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.440
of all, let's also remember like this was during an
825
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.159
era when like sequels were still kind of new in
826
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.360
terms of like, you know, we weren't used to going
827
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.840
back to revisit these creatures, these situations and whatnot. So
828
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.599
I think so many of these people were bringing their
829
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.599
memories of Alien the first one to this and being
830
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.239
like that movie scared the shit out of me. Oh no,
831
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.400
there's more of them, you know, I think that might
832
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:31.000
be that true.
833
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:35.760
Say I to use your word beef. I had some
834
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.199
beef with Ripley, watching it again this time and paying attention. Oh,
835
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.360
you knew you were going to nuke the whole planet,
836
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.679
so get the fuck out of there the queen, and
837
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.960
you had a quick understanding of, oh, you want to
838
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.559
burn my babies. Never mind, I will call my people back.
839
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.639
Just go take your little newt and go. I'm going
840
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.079
to keep laying my eggs. And then Ripley got all
841
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.920
the way out and then she was like up down, surprise, bitch.
842
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.280
And I was like, if you would have just not
843
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.960
done that, you could have gotten upstairs earlier and you
844
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.400
were going to nuke the planet anyway.
845
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.679
But there is a moment ash in that scene where
846
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.119
she is trying to figure out this tet a tete
847
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.960
with the queen, and again it's all nonverbal because they
848
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.599
don't talk, and so there's that right eyeballs, and there's
849
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.480
a moment where she sees out of the Ripley sees
850
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:24.559
out of the corner of her eye one of the
851
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.440
drones coming towards them. Yeah, and then it's like, oh, bitch, no,
852
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.960
like no, no, no, no.
853
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.320
She sends them back.
854
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:33.239
Yeah the queen.
855
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.320
The queen does like queen and looks at both of them,
856
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.239
and then they and then they go back backtrack.
857
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.280
And then they let her go.
858
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.280
No, yes, Mark, it's what happens. Yes, they do, it's
859
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:46.719
what happens. It's in my nose.
860
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.320
The two come up, and then the Queen looks at
861
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.400
the situation and it's like it's like and then the
862
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.880
two back off. There has been like okay of the
863
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.000
Queen looking at them backing up, and we're.
864
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.559
It's a very Odysseus spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't
865
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.840
read the three thousand year old book.
866
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.320
But when shoots the cyclops in the eye, you could
867
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.480
have just you could have just laughed.
868
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:17.000
Yeah.
869
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.280
I thought Bill was frozen, but I think he's just mada.
870
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:22.840
No, no, I'm looking at the scene right now. I have
871
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.280
to see, well, ye.
872
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.039
Not our words, not you and me are worth it.
873
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.920
It has to be him.
874
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.000
Well, how many times have I seen this movie?
875
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:32.280
Guys?
876
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.199
I have to check my own memory.
877
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:39.800
Memory for the original script while you're looking at that, Bill,
878
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:41.519
But speaking of the.
879
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.039
Reception opening of the egg, it's the opening of the
880
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.079
egg that Ripley sees that she takes offense to.
881
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.159
Okay, but I mean she could have just gotten there.
882
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:50.760
You're right, you're right.
883
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.639
You guys are right, you guys are right. She's backing up,
884
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.360
she's backing up. The drones are coming off.
885
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:56.800
You know that you're gonna nuke it.
886
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.280
Just get out. But the egg opening is what her
887
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.440
offense is. And like, oh, you're trying to get us
888
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.719
with the face huggers. Now, never mind, I'm gonna you know,
889
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.639
I'm gonna, you know, shoot grenades at you. That's what
890
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.400
it is that she does her headcock two and like
891
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.159
is that thing? Yeah, so you're not quite the same
892
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:13.920
as Odysseys being like, you know what, fuck you, I'm
893
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.280
gonna shoot you in the eye.
894
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.360
But yeah, kind of.
895
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:19.519
But we'll see what the Queen has to say, right
896
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:21.960
to get back from these miss ups from the grave
897
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.920
that we have no control over. And we are back.
898
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.159
So continue, well.
899
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:30.519
You forgot of done with that part.
900
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:33.079
Continuing on to.
901
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.360
What you said, Bill about the the audience response of
902
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.000
it being like.
903
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.519
Like harrowing, terrifying experience.
904
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:47.920
I I I clipped this what Roger Ebert said, Yeah,
905
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.000
I was thinking of the Ebert. Yeah, he called the
906
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:57.400
last hour painfully, unremittingly intense, which Roger, I hope that
907
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.400
was the last movie you ever watched, like because things
908
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.760
got worse. Man, it wasn't things things got worse, leaving
909
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:07.559
him emotionally drained and unhappy.
910
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.639
That's how I at the end of this movie, at
911
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.320
least I feel like but see like as never wanting
912
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.920
to be a mother. Like So, Sigourney Weaver wakes up
913
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:21.119
and it is fifty seven years after Aliens and her
914
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:26.119
daughter on wherever Oh yeah, Alien her daughter on Wherever Earth?
915
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.519
Yeah dead yeah, And she gloms onto Newton is suddenly
916
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.000
like you're my daughter, and I'm pretty sure sure Newt
917
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:35.280
calls her her mother at the.
918
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.360
End, she says, yeah.
919
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:38.920
That's good for you if you want a baby.
920
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.880
But like, well, it's funny that again, talking the differences
921
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.360
between theatrical and special edition.
922
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.880
In the theatrical cut, you never know that Ripley had
923
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:49.199
a daughter. They cut that.
924
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.880
Part really, yeah, And so it's just about the culture
925
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.199
shock of like it's been fifty seven years. It's that weird,
926
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.039
and Cameron in the additial script stages really was leaning
927
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.960
more on like the the pathos of that of her character.
928
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.599
It was not only the daughter thing, but it was
929
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.760
also the cat Jones where like in the movie, the
930
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.519
cat is in with her piper sleep chamber. He's fine,
931
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.920
he assumably goes on to live a long life without her.
932
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.239
But in one draft of the early draft of the script,
933
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.440
James Cameron made it so that not only had the
934
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.800
cat passed away in hyper sleep, but they gave her
935
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.039
a fake robot cat to replace it. And then it
936
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.519
was like a twist where like, you know, it turns
937
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.440
out that cat never survived or something, so you could
938
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:33.280
see why he cut it out. But but yeah, there
939
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:35.800
was definitely like a lot of thinking in the early
940
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.840
stages of the conception of this movie of like Ripley
941
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.519
just getting beat to hell emotionally, you know, and.
942
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:43.840
Yeah, well this is where she stops being the survivor
943
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.639
and she's like, I'm a protector now, yeah, this cat,
944
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.840
now I'm going to protect you. And I just lost
945
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.760
my daughter. Now you're going to be my new daughter.
946
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:51.480
Wah.
947
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.679
Yeah, And you know, in a in a non Vietnam
948
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.239
way or in a Vietnam way. You know, both this
949
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.559
and Rambo are about characters with PTSD choosing to go
950
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.599
back into the fray, being like, you know.
951
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.360
So let's talk about some of the other characters, because
952
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.239
this movie is chock full and that is a lot
953
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.719
of people just not listening to Ripley And I don't
954
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.519
want to do this guy in justice, but I'm like,
955
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.000
that guy reminds me of Johnny Lee Miller. The guy
956
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:16.800
who's kind of like.
957
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:18.440
Running Drake, I think, right.
958
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.079
The guy who's running the.
959
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.800
Yeah, reminds me of Jolly, like an old Johnny Lee Miller.
960
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.599
That's all I can see. But then we have Bill Paxton,
961
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.599
who is Hudson Hudson Ramirez.
962
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:36.039
Mm hmm, I don't know the actually name of Ramirez. No,
963
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:44.000
she's the best. I think Vescuez is what you mean?
964
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.320
Who's Janet Goldstein Goldstein? By the way, guys, since I
965
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.039
live in La Goldstein runs a I don't know if
966
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.679
it's chain or at least just one lingerie shop.
967
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.519
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
968
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.000
And at a party that a friend of the show
969
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.000
same half was that too. I met an employee of
970
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.480
Jeanett's braze. So she and I chatted about Jeannette and apparently, Janet.
971
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:08.639
You better get me one for my birthday.
972
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.639
I'll tell you a wonderful performance.
973
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:14.159
Conversation.
974
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:18.719
Yeah yeah, he's gonna hear this wonderful performance from Jennet
975
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.360
gold Seene. Not a Latina, but you know it was
976
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:28.639
a different time, different but also another great performance from her.
977
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.039
Another great performance from her in another James Cameron film,
978
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:38.360
uh as Edward Furlong's stepmom in a Terminator two, Oh
979
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:39.079
my God.
980
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:45.599
Wolf is just fine, fine and Irish mommy and Titanic
981
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.480
she drowned at the Titanic, and yeah, yeah, he.
982
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.280
Does stick with I like people who he's like a
983
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.960
crystal one, you know, he kind of sticks with their people.
984
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:57.320
If Vasquez had been on that boat, she would have
985
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:57.840
been fine.
986
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:58.880
She would have been fine.
987
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.440
And then Michael Bean, you know, as we already talked
988
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:03.679
about the James remark situation with Hicks, you know, Michael
989
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.079
Bean was a last minute like hail Mary, like hey Michael,
990
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:07.840
like you know broke, could you come and help me out?
991
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:08.199
Sort of?
992
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.760
Then my hot guy with my ninety my eighties like
993
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.239
skinny but defined arm.
994
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:15.320
Right, So yeah.
995
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.760
I mean again, he was never my type, but just
996
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:24.639
lucky crazy Yeah, not for me. Yeah yeah, they his
997
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.960
ladies all kind of looked the same, you know, the
998
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.880
the Sigourney from This and Linda.
999
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:30.239
Yeah, yeah, you know.
1000
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.280
Yeah, he has a strong.
1001
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.320
And independent He had a very glad he didn't die
1002
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:36.119
in this, that's all.
1003
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:37.920
Yeah, until the next one.
1004
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.960
Uh, he had yet he had a very uh Harrison
1005
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.039
Ford Indiana Jones type trip into this role as like,
1006
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.119
you know, because Tom Selleck was we know, was originally
1007
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.679
supposed to be Nana Jones, but he was busy, uh
1008
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:59.159
doing Magnum Too or whatever, and Remar was, you know,
1009
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:03.079
busy having a drug problem.
1010
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.480
You know, one does sometimes it happens.
1011
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.119
Uh so yeah, but like, yeah, I have previously worked
1012
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:23.079
with a director and like, hey, oh.
1013
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:20.199
Come in here.
1014
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.400
I'm not going to kill you off, but you are
1015
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.639
going to get blinded and maimed, and you're not going
1016
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.280
to be the hero because.
1017
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.119
The woman, because the woman is the hero this time.
1018
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:30.639
Yeah.
1019
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.079
That's why his words on Patty Jenkin's Wonder Woman really
1020
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.679
pissed me off. But anyway, I'm not going to get
1021
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:37.159
into that.
1022
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:39.079
Burke.
1023
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:40.440
Let's talk about.
1024
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.280
Paul Paul Razer, by the way, who at the time
1025
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.079
I believe was just known as a stand up I
1026
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.199
don't know if he's done much. He did, actually he
1027
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:52.519
was in Beverly Hills Cop and so yeah, he was
1028
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.320
known as kind of like the quirky comedian guy, you know, And.
1029
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.320
So that's why it was perfect. He was professional friendly, sure, ring,
1030
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:01.639
but also the whole.
1031
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.639
Time you're like, oh, but yeah, casting him is like
1032
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.320
corporate stooge. Here is such a really neat bit of casting.
1033
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:11.519
I mean, I love is he not the villain of
1034
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.760
the film. Of course he is over the aliens.
1035
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.719
At least at least they see them each other.
1036
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.719
Like bears when you get eaten by a bear, guess
1037
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.559
what you're the woods bears are going to bear. You're
1038
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.159
in space. The aliens are just doing what they're supposed to.
1039
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:29.519
This asshole was like, no, we want to potentially biological
1040
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.239
weapon to like do ship with, and I'm like, I
1041
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.119
still don't understand even to this day what your plan
1042
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.719
was with the aliens. Are you going to do it?
1043
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:40.920
Though?
1044
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.599
My take on the company is also like I don't
1045
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.679
think they ever knew. I think they just were like acquisition,
1046
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:50.079
acquisition acquisitions. It was just sort of like we could
1047
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:51.119
take this, we could.
1048
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.199
Take that, and they suck on people's faces. I'm not
1049
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.639
setting Newton ripley up. That was horrible. Yeah, what are
1050
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:56.960
we doing?
1051
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.559
Yeah, not to get into U further films the franchise,
1052
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:02.920
but I did think Romulus attempted to give us an
1053
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.199
explanation kind of of like what the company was thinking
1054
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.199
of in terms of, Okay, if we can have this,
1055
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.599
we can maybe turn it into something well not even
1056
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.840
an army, but like we can use this DNA, you know,
1057
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.719
stuff to sort of maybe extend life or like make
1058
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.360
people previous to weather conditions or you know, yeah, I don't.
1059
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.320
Know, you don't get you're welcome, yeah, right, or.
1060
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.760
Other stuff you find on a CD in a Resident
1061
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:28.360
Evil game.
1062
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.239
It's pretty much yeah, Broller Corporation stuff. Yeah.
1063
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.400
So one thing about Burke, I feel like whoever was
1064
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:40.360
in charge of his costume design was like a profit
1065
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:46.239
of some kind of knowing that in the future weasily
1066
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.840
tech bro douchebags, We're going to be wearing button downs
1067
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.079
and vests like that was going to.
1068
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:54.599
Be their thing.
1069
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:59.360
I don't know, or maybe yeah, puffer vests, maybe maybe.
1070
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:01.280
Tech process.
1071
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:04.280
I saw that and We're like, Oh, I like this guy,
1072
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:05.599
I'm gonna dress again.
1073
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.239
It could be a self fulfilling prophecy.
1074
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.719
Well, and it's it's it's a great bit of casting tune,
1075
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.960
a great performance where initially, maybe for the first like
1076
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.559
ten fifteen minutes of his performance, you're thinking, maybe he's okay,
1077
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:19.840
maybe he's not that bad.
1078
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.239
Well, when Gordon freaks out, he's like, you had your
1079
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.159
chance going. He's going to drive this truck eight miles
1080
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.960
an hour to get to where we need to get to,
1081
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:28.679
and then we're going to bang it in all the walls.
1082
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.719
I love the miniatures. I love them, but it is
1083
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.119
so funny to see them banging.
1084
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:34.480
Off the walls.
1085
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.920
Oh, and Ash, I should bring this up because I
1086
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:37.559
think I brought it up in our episode of The Howling.
1087
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.320
Doesn't that bit of her escaping with the a PC
1088
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.079
remind you at the end of The Howling.
1089
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:42.440
A little bit?
1090
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:46.519
Didn't I say that? Remind me? Where here?
1091
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:47.079
Yeah?
1092
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.679
That's what I was telling you. Yeah, exactly, I knew it.
1093
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.719
I know you're in a weave link there.
1094
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.199
Bill Paxston. Can we just talk about our comic relief?
1095
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:58.400
But they don't actually reduce him to that.
1096
00:51:58.519 --> 00:51:59.079
His character.
1097
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.719
I mean, his character arc is pretty sad, but he
1098
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.760
begins very confident and then this situation just becomes too
1099
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.119
terrifying for him, and I feel like he's me. He's me,
1100
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.119
game over, man, what the fuck are we going to do?
1101
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:12.519
You know?
1102
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.559
Like, and I'm saying what everybody else is thinking.
1103
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:15.719
Oh, totally.
1104
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.719
And I think if there is an allegory for the
1105
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.320
Vietnam soldiers, you know, and it's not Hicks, it's not
1106
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:28.239
FASc it's dude, Yeah, who's like a really great guy.
1107
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.239
And he's like, I can't remember the name of I
1108
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.559
don't know the sad death and I don't know if
1109
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.760
it's a platoon or elbody, but yeah, somebody would like
1110
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.400
that where it's like yeah, where it's like, oh, he
1111
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.559
was our favorite and he's dead now sort of thing.
1112
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.400
So yeah, yeah, Yeah. He has a line where he says,
1113
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:48.800
four weeks left, man, I.
1114
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:50.639
Was just gonna get out now. You guys brought me
1115
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:52.800
goddamn planet.
1116
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.000
Yeah for him on his helmet, he has a calendar
1117
00:52:58.119 --> 00:52:59.440
drawn on his helmet.
1118
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:00.639
Yeah, I would too.
1119
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.280
I think my favorite line reading from him is why
1120
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:05.119
don't you put.
1121
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:06.639
Her in charge?
1122
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.559
Like this little girl? Five here for five weeks without
1123
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:14.159
anybody who's like, okay, you just charge. Oh I love it.
1124
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.480
Oh I loved it so much.
1125
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.480
Oh yeah, I also I also like to say, quit
1126
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.239
your grinned and drop your linen's going some time and time.
1127
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:25.480
Yeah, it's another hesterism we like, uh and not.
1128
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:31.159
So much his uh male chauvinistic line of heyvask, has
1129
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:32.960
anyone ever mistake you for a man?
1130
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.960
But her response of no, does it ever happen to you?
1131
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.920
Or I will give you that. James Cameron, you know
1132
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.239
how to write women. Let's talk about Bishop. Let's talk
1133
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.920
about Bishop, because oh my goodness, really.
1134
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.400
And genius to like not only carry forward this you know,
1135
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.719
thematic thread of ash from the first film, but also
1136
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.320
you know, he just made The Terminator, which was a
1137
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.400
movie all about how like the creation of artificial intelligence
1138
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:04.119
robot human beings is a bad thing, and then flips
1139
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:05.519
that script with Bishop where it's like.
1140
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.159
Well, maybe maybe they could be okay, you know, but.
1141
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.320
They're like, oh, and he's got such a like I
1142
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.840
don't know, his look is so interesting that you kind
1143
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.840
of do and don't trust him. Yeah, one of like
1144
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.639
see where it goes. But then you're also like, no,
1145
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:25.400
you're an alien. Oh you're you're a cyborg, but he
1146
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:26.519
just want to trust him.
1147
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.079
He really nails the portrayal.
1148
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.400
And I saw something where he said that he was
1149
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:36.840
initially like trepiditious about taking the role after you know, Ian.
1150
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.039
Holme triggering that character's trauma.
1151
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.920
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, but like he he was like,
1152
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.760
you know, in awe of like Ian Holmes's performance in
1153
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.440
Alien and and Rucker Howard's performance and Blade Runner of
1154
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:55.719
these like you know, synthetic people. But yeah, no, I
1155
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.400
think he really knocked it out.
1156
00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:57.679
Of the park.
1157
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:01.079
He brought like a level of I guess, like the
1158
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:05.239
exact like right amount of humanity to it and but
1159
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:09.760
still managing to like keep it creepy in the beginning
1160
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:10.280
like that.
1161
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:14.199
Oh yeah, the forty two, Yes, they were kind of twitchy.
1162
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.960
Yeah, you know, like those lines the knife trick seemed.
1163
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:27.119
Other people to myself dabbed my fingers with pencils, do it?
1164
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:28.480
Yeah many times?
1165
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:29.960
Yeah, pens as a kid.
1166
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:31.639
Yeah, Oh my god.
1167
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.480
I got a pencil like right in between layers of
1168
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:38.960
my skin, right through my palm once and stuff like that. No,
1169
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:40.559
like what you guys are saying is so true, Like
1170
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.039
Lance Hendrickson's ability to get it amorality I think is
1171
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.840
really specialist for me, you know, where it's like it's
1172
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:49.800
not even that he's bad or good, it's just that
1173
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.239
he's neutral, and like, that's so hard.
1174
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.800
That it took a lot from It took definitely to
1175
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.280
take a lot, for sure, because that's why I'm kind
1176
00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.920
of being a pig about it, because I'm like, oh, yeah,
1177
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.960
maybe you should be my little robot, you know what
1178
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:02.320
I mean.
1179
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:08.639
Hendrickson said he really tried to like play into the
1180
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.960
idea that Bishop was like a child and and which
1181
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.559
I think is interesting because that he brings up Rutger Hower.
1182
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.039
Katie and I just watched Blade Runner the other night
1183
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.239
and kind of in preparation for this because.
1184
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.199
You know, like the I just watched Blade Runner when
1185
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:27.840
we went to the drive in a couple of weeks ago.
1186
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:29.960
It's I was watching it.
1187
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:31.760
Did you watch the director's cut?
1188
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.039
Yes, it's fair, No, I watched the final cut. I
1189
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.400
watched the final cuts.
1190
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.440
I think, yeah, it's yeah, that's mostly it was long.
1191
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:46.239
Yeah, Howurs Howard's performance is very childlike in a lot
1192
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.440
in a lot of moments, I think I think they
1193
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:49.039
all are.
1194
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:53.440
But it's interesting lifespan man. So yeah, the.
1195
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.159
Milk, I mean that queen reps some in half and
1196
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.280
there's just so much two percent milk thrown around in
1197
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.960
this place. But I love like even he has the
1198
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:06.320
like he grabs Newt at the end, she's going towards
1199
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:11.000
the the suction. I don't see how like that I
1200
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.280
would have gotten everybody. But whatever, you're not going to
1201
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:14.760
talk about physics.
1202
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.840
Pretty good for a human.
1203
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.719
Well, yeah, let's talk about like the fact that like,
1204
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:25.360
not only was Cameron uh responsibly adapting so much of
1205
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:27.679
the first film in terms of, you know, the creature
1206
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.920
and then expanding and extrapolating on that understanding that you know,
1207
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.639
you needed to introduce kind of a new life form.
1208
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:37.079
So okay, here's the Queen and now so there's that
1209
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.880
in the Hive, but like, you know, giving us a
1210
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.159
structure to this movie, which is there's a little bit
1211
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.920
uh like invasion movie, and then it turns into a
1212
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.199
siege where it's like they're hold up in the wherever
1213
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.480
they are in the compound and using the sentry guns
1214
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.119
to keep them bay, and then eventually that breaks down
1215
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.400
and then it's like, okay, it's escape mode only you know,
1216
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.719
nuke got taken, and so then it's a rescue mission
1217
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.519
and you know, we have this like essentially in any
1218
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.519
other movie, that rescue mission will be the third act,
1219
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:09.239
and then we have the fourth act, which is the
1220
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.199
queen grabbed on.
1221
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.679
She's a she was fast.
1222
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.079
And that's why you don't like, Ridley could have gotten
1223
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:18.880
out of there and not pissed off the queen and
1224
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.519
they could have nuked it. And that wasn't it. But
1225
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.239
because she did her.
1226
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.920
Look because but you know, that turns out that we
1227
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.199
have to have this powerloader mono alien battle.
1228
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.239
Alien, I mean alien queen knows how to use elevators,
1229
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.280
which is really really good you figured it out, but
1230
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.519
is just such an organic, disgusting, wet, dark thing about
1231
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:41.599
the aliens.
1232
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.440
Oh when she when the when the Queen rips her
1233
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:47.480
overpositor off.
1234
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.559
Yeah, I think that's the name. I only know because
1235
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:51.199
of these movies.
1236
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:52.000
That's a good name.
1237
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:59.239
Yeah, egg deployer and exactly well it's over positive and.
1238
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:03.199
Then the exactly there that's part of it. Yeah, and
1239
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.760
she's like negative and she rips it off.
1240
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.280
But these two mothers are enemies after this, and that's
1241
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.440
the thing about it is She's like, you burned all
1242
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.199
the babies. I was letting you go. Yeah, that egg opened,
1243
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.880
but you could have just to you and gotten that
1244
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:22.480
f out of here.
1245
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:22.719
Yeah.
1246
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.280
But my point with saying, like the whole structure of
1247
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.679
this film is like it is so many movies, especially
1248
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.360
these days, are described as a roller coaster ride, and
1249
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:33.800
sometimes that's true and sometimes it's just an exaggeration. I
1250
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.760
think this is one movie as an example of like
1251
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.920
this is the quintessential roller coaster ride of like it.
1252
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.039
Is up and down and up and down, because then
1253
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:42.360
we're like power Loader.
1254
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.360
I know we introduced you to from the beginning, but like,
1255
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:48.079
let's do it again, and I'm obviously really good at it.
1256
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.679
And again I love how like, you know James Horner's
1257
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.320
que called Bishop's Countdown when they're escaping the blowing up
1258
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.519
of the the humidifier or whatever it is. U you know,
1259
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:02.559
it's it's just one of the coolest action cues that's
1260
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.000
ever been written for cinema. But it's still not the
1261
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.800
end of the movie, you know, quintessential the score.
1262
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.039
What's going on with Even watching this for the millionth time,
1263
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.239
I was like, I don't understand what Bishop is talking
1264
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:19.679
about what was exactly happening. Why did they the.
1265
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.119
Reactors no matter what, no matter what, it was gonna blow. Yeah,
1266
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.440
well they the reactor was and then it would have
1267
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.519
destroyed most of the planet.
1268
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:33.800
Well, because they fired the weapons near the thing.
1269
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.800
Near the tanks in the sub basement.
1270
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.559
Thing, and then that page.
1271
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.840
Okay, fine, it was engineer James Gammer thought about it
1272
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.880
so that we wouldn't have to But yeah, it's uh.
1273
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.559
I was gonna say the James Corner's score for this
1274
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.280
movie is so quintessential action based or the sound of it,
1275
01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:01.199
that they famously, infamously, I don't know, reuse deleted parts
1276
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.480
of his score for Diehard a couple of years later.
1277
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:07.559
Oh fabulous. And then you said that James Cameron didn't
1278
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:08.199
like his score.
1279
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.039
No, it was it was, I guess, just the way
1280
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.039
that Cameron works and Horner works. You know they they
1281
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.480
it was oil and water. We should mention too. The
1282
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.639
I guess most famous behind the scenes story of the
1283
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.599
making of this movie is that the crew mutinied.
1284
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:24.960
I did hear? Yeah, tell the story.
1285
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.480
Yeah, Well, because they shot this in England, I believe
1286
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:29.719
it was also Pinewood Studios.
1287
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.679
As with the first film.
1288
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:32.679
The Legend.
1289
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:37.760
Yeah, shit, Legend would have been shooting right around this
1290
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.880
time and that burned down. Yeah, I think probably just
1291
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:46.960
before this movie or eighty five, eighty four, eighty five, Yeah,
1292
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:47.920
you keep going.
1293
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.000
Out anyway, So.
1294
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.679
No, I know for a fact Legend was released in
1295
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.039
eighty five and eighty six. But anyway, so they might
1296
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:58.559
have been five yeah, so if the stage probably was
1297
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.920
already burned down by the time they got there. But
1298
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.880
but yeah, and apparently the English crews at that time,
1299
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:06.960
who knows, I don't know if it's still the same now,
1300
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:10.280
but they had like tea breaks, which was part of
1301
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:11.679
sort of English heritage.
1302
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.559
And if you were an employee of the studio, I T.
1303
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:15.679
Yeah, II T.
1304
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:17.880
If your employee of the studio, it means you were
1305
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.320
under contract to the studio and they assigned you to
1306
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.280
a movie. It wasn't like you got hired by the
1307
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:26.000
movie's production company only. And again I think that's changed
1308
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.719
now over the last couple decades. But at the time, yeah,
1309
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.280
they still had like lifers who just worked for Pinewood,
1310
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.280
who didn't necessarily work for Fox or for Aliens, you know,
1311
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.559
And so these people typically saw it as just another job,
1312
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.119
you know, just another gig, and Cameron took offense to
1313
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.360
that because he was used to the more American way
1314
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.599
of working in La Roger Korman, which is like, we're
1315
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:49.199
all putting together our resources to do a show and
1316
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.360
we're gonna work super long hours and not get paid
1317
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.000
and you know, all this sort of thing, and he
1318
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.400
didn't vibe with you know, the English you know, employee
1319
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.440
tradition of like no we take our breaks in the
1320
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.719
first about second breakfast. And so there was a woman
1321
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:06.320
to come around with a t trolley and James Karen,
1322
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.239
I guess like yelled at her and then told the
1323
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.559
crew like you know, no, no, no, no breaks, you
1324
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.039
know sort of thing, and uh and yeah, there was
1325
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:17.519
a from I think the first a d was one
1326
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:23.079
of the architects of the mutiny. People you know, made
1327
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.719
like you know, angry t shirts with some slogan on
1328
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.239
it that said something about him or something. What's funny too,
1329
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.679
is like I was you were just talking about blad Runner.
1330
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:34.519
The same thing happened for opposite reasons on the set
1331
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:38.880
of blad Runner with Ridley Scott, where you know, so
1332
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.000
it's like these, yeah, these dudes have more in common
1333
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.880
than not, right, But but yeah, so this movie, like
1334
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:48.559
it was really him and and Galen heard trying to
1335
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.440
steer the ship. You know, maybe a little too harshly
1336
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.840
at times, but they had a vision and they were
1337
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:54.320
following it.
1338
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:54.559
You know.
1339
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.119
Yeah, there was a there was a there was really
1340
01:03:58.840 --> 01:03:59.719
along the lines of that.
1341
01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.320
There was a funny story that I saw where part
1342
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:07.719
of the reason this English crew was revolting or mutiny
1343
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:11.679
mutiny was that, yeah, they weren't getting their tea.
1344
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:12.960
And they were like, well.
1345
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.360
If there's going to be a sequel to Alien, it
1346
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.000
should be released called that nice English guy And who
1347
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:20.239
the fuck is this yank?
1348
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:29.079
And thank you? Thank you? I usually do better. Why
1349
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:30.679
I do books? Thank you?
1350
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:36.000
Uh go Smith over James Horner.
1351
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:40.360
That's yeah, that's what I shoot for. But they were like, also,
1352
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.840
who is this guy? Also? Who is this guy?
1353
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.239
Yeah, try to organize.
1354
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.840
Cameron organized a screening terminator and to show them that
1355
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.480
he's like, no, I'm a director and I'm good, And
1356
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:54.920
then nobody showed up to the screen.
1357
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:57.840
Yeah yeah too.
1358
01:04:58.119 --> 01:04:59.599
Yeah.
1359
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.920
So again this is just another going back to what
1360
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:03.719
I said way earlier about like there's so many ways
1361
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.880
that this movie could have failed or gotten waylaid and
1362
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.800
like this was another instance where like the crew could
1363
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.239
have walked off when they could have shut down or something.
1364
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:16.920
You know, So between actors with drug problems, revolting cruise,
1365
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:21.239
you know, budget issues. You know, it's it's a wonder
1366
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.119
that this thing got got finished the way it did.
1367
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:25.639
Yeah, perfectly. So.
1368
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:28.800
Yeah, And the release happened in the summer of eighty six.
1369
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.559
I'm sure you guys have seen maybe some old ads
1370
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.840
where Fox because they had both this and David Cronenberg's
1371
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:37.599
The Fly in theaters.
1372
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:41.199
They were advertising him as a double feature. Wow, it's wild.
1373
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.840
Yeah, amaz yeah, so and and this was you know,
1374
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:47.960
I don't know if people thought this was going to
1375
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.280
be like a guaranteed hit. Again, like neither James Cameron
1376
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:53.840
nor Alien the franchise had been enough of a name
1377
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.360
up to this where it was like, oh, definitely, but
1378
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.920
it definitely hit, and it hit.
1379
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.039
It's one of the only movies that it's like, is
1380
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.039
the sequel as good as the original, And it doesn't
1381
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.840
simply repeat the first movie. It expands on the mythology,
1382
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.880
which is where we are today with all our Prometheuses
1383
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:16.679
and Romulus. It expands this one expanded on the world
1384
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.320
the character of Ripley and other characters around here, and
1385
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.280
it kept the fear intact for like, no one can
1386
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:26.840
hear you scream in space, bitch.
1387
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:27.679
Yeah. Yeah.
1388
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.239
Oh, And I forgot to say, like there was at
1389
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.119
least enough like a mystique to this movie that even
1390
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.800
though none of us agree that this is the scariest
1391
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:39.800
alien movie, but it still managed to maintain at least
1392
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.360
enough of that vibe for at least the marketing and
1393
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.719
just sort of you know, similarly things because even though
1394
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:47.599
there was a one cheat poster where's an image of
1395
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:49.760
Ripley and Newt like just with a gun and everything,
1396
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:52.519
there was another version the poster was just the logo
1397
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:56.599
aliens and black black background, including the VHS copy that
1398
01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:00.320
I was staring at for days upon days my friend
1399
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.719
Lee's house as a kid, where I would just look
1400
01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:04.800
at the best one is just the egg, the egg
1401
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:06.599
and the yeah, the egg and the green and the
1402
01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:11.760
weird you know ground. But yeah, and I think that, yeah,
1403
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:13.840
this movie was was marketed well. It was it was
1404
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.599
advertised well. It got to the right audience at the
1405
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.320
right time, and I think everybody who saw it really
1406
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.679
recognized the craft that was in it. From top to
1407
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.000
bottom to the point where Sucording Weaver got nominated for
1408
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:32.679
an Academy Award, Yes, unheard of. Yeah Winds, yeah, best actress.
1409
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.840
I don't remember. I have to look, but yeah. Yeah,
1410
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:38.000
and so yeah.
1411
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.079
To your point, Ash, I definitely think that Alien or
1412
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.719
Aliens would not be a franchise if it not if
1413
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:45.280
it were not for.
1414
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:50.320
This film, I agree, Well, like Aliens is like what
1415
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.119
is an alien? And this one is like okay, but
1416
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:55.119
like what if there were a hundred of them?
1417
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.079
Well, there's the apocrypical story which I can't believe none
1418
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.719
of us have mentioned yet, which is that apparently one
1419
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.440
of the ways that Cameron pitched guy there in Hill
1420
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.840
on the title change, because originally, for the longest time.
1421
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:07.719
It was Alien too, just Alien two, Alien two.
1422
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.760
And then still he apparently went in and wrote on
1423
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.719
a chalkboard Aliens with a dollar signed through the last s.
1424
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:16.079
Yeah.
1425
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:20.279
Yeah, confirmed by Cameron, Confirmed by Cameron, Confirmed.
1426
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.159
By Cameron that that happened. Although you know who.
1427
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:25.359
Knows, Oh yeah, but still he's it's a good print,
1428
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:29.600
the legend, you know, story, Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it was.
1429
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:30.640
It was going on from here.
1430
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.039
Listen, I'm not a mother, but mother's out there. I
1431
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:36.680
could imagine, like who side do you take? Ripley's trying
1432
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.159
to protect this baby who's not hers, but then the
1433
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:42.439
queen is trying to protect all her babies against Ripley
1434
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.840
and the nukes, Like who's in the wrong. There's the
1435
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.319
whole subplot here, Yeah, what it means to be a
1436
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:50.960
mother and who you're protecting and why and how strong
1437
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:52.439
you're going to come after And then at the end
1438
01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:53.760
you're like, wait, whose side.
1439
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:53.920
Am I on?
1440
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:54.439
Yeah?
1441
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.640
You know, yeah, it's funny that I always think about,
1442
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.399
you know, my current career in film criticism and the like.
1443
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.720
I used to read stacks of like reprints of newspaper
1444
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:09.159
articles and reviews in the Fairfield University Library and one
1445
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.000
of them was a review of Aliens, where it was
1446
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.520
just one long deconstruction of this movie as a metaphor
1447
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.880
for motherhood, you know, even going so far as I say,
1448
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.279
the Sulaco is you know, a.
1449
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:21.640
Womb of its own.
1450
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.680
And yeah, yeah, and it's also you know, shaped like
1451
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:28.000
a shaped like a like a pulse rifle, which is
1452
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:28.640
really cool too.
1453
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.079
It also looked like a dick. I mean it looks
1454
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:31.560
like both.
1455
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.079
Yeah, but yeah, no, it's it's something that you know,
1456
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:37.359
it's it's a pulp movie. It's a genre movie. It's
1457
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.359
unabashedly so. And yet it has a lot of layers.
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01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:41.840
It has a lot of depth in it, and I think.
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01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:44.880
It doesn't repeat the first It expands the mythology, it
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01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:48.600
spans the world, we have a lot more characters. Yeah,
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01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.520
but it also keeps the central feel of the verset
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01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.479
movie intact, which when you're switching directors that's not always
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01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:56.720
the easiest thing to do.
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01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:58.680
Yeah, And that's another good point is that this really
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01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:01.159
establishes for the franchise that you can have a franchise
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01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:04.920
with different Altur filmmakers behind the helm and you know,
1467
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.199
you can Evil Dead. You can get so much, Yeah,
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01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:08.199
get so much out of it.
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01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:08.399
You know.
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01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:12.520
So you can't see me, but I cough, joked, Evil Dead.
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01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:15.439
I heard you, because you can continue. You saw and
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01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:16.720
heard it was for the people.
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01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.439
Yeah, it can be done.
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01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:21.000
Yeah, final thoughts.
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01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:23.119
I guess it was the final thoughts.
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01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:26.760
But yeah, No, It's like this movie is remarkably influential.
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01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:29.359
You know, I have a recommendation to go with it,
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01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.760
but I could have picked like ten because there's so
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01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.680
many movies that like could you know clearly?
1480
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:36.399
Okay, let me ask a big question.
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01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:37.800
Yeah, at the alter of Aliens?
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01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:42.279
Yeah, Alien or Aliens? Which is your better? Which is
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01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.319
your favorite film over the two? Alien or Aliens?
1484
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.840
I think it's probably Chocolate.
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01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:49.279
You know, it's like chocolate.
1486
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:55.760
It's probably a better film. But I think Aliens is
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01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:56.680
my favorite movie.
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01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:58.119
I like Aliens.
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01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:02.560
Yeah, I hate to get away. Really do you hate cheering?
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01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.840
I know, I mean, just like for fun, a gun.
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01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:08.000
At your head, A gun?
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01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.520
All right, I'm I would say, me being pushed off
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01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:12.359
a cliff in the lava.
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01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:17.119
But you may be like, uh yeah, maybe love is fun. Yeah,
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01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:21.359
you have to pick one. Oh no, uh all right,
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01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:22.199
I'll sing Alien.
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01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:24.279
I'll say, oh you like the first one?
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01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:25.720
Yeah, I like that.
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01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:26.880
It's really close.
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01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.960
What was Sir Gurniye Weaver's job at the first one?
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01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:34.279
Warrant officer? She essentially, I guess was just I thought she.
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01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.279
Was because can ask me that and I go, I
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01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.199
don't know. I think she's military, but I don't know
1504
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.520
what her actual job was.
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01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:42.960
Yeah, I mean, you don't really specify. I mean it
1506
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:43.640
seems like you.
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01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:46.239
Put your finger in your face and it's like you're
1508
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:47.399
not following.
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01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:56.560
The rules She's hr essentially, Yeah, what's your recommendation.
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01:11:57.399 --> 01:11:59.960
Because you go, I'm.
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01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.479
Mar mar Marx Parlang. Well, I'm gonna I Like I said,
1512
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:06.520
I had a lot to choose from. I think there's
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01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:08.640
so many movies that you know, over the years, especially
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01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:11.800
in the sci fi horror genre or just sci fi. Uh,
1515
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:13.920
And I think in action, you know, there's so many
1516
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:17.680
things that are clearly influenced by this film as a
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01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:20.079
as a starting point, but mine in terms of the
1518
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:22.960
way that it ramps up the action from the first
1519
01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:27.800
film as a sequel, the way it changes not genre completely,
1520
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:29.600
but it has a little bit more of an action
1521
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:32.680
oriented angle to it is two thousand and nine s
1522
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:36.079
W rec too. If you know the rec series.
1523
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:41.920
Oh the Zombie, Yeah, zombie and it hasn't been No,
1524
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:43.800
this was the one that was still in the building,
1525
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.039
but they sent in police and military and so if
1526
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:50.840
the first wreck was a found footage, like you know,
1527
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.279
the zombie outbreak is happening and oh my god, how
1528
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.039
do we survive? No, Yeah, the Breagan's the third one
1529
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:57.520
and the ship is the fourth. This is the second
1530
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.600
one where I mean, I could tell you what makes
1531
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:01.880
the second one different, but it kind of is a
1532
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:03.319
spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen it, so I'm not
1533
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:05.159
going to say it, but you know, it's it's essentially
1534
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:07.760
where we learn more about the zombie outbreak and what
1535
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:09.039
kind of the nature of.
1536
01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:12.560
That outbreak is. Yeah, yeah, and uh yeah.
1537
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.399
And it's it's a really cool heightening of the game
1538
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.600
in terms of the franchise in a way that Aliens
1539
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:19.399
does that to Alien I'm.
1540
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:23.399
Gonna say Alien Resurrection because listen, it's campy, it's crazy,
1541
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:26.039
it's a lot of fun. It has an amazing cast.
1542
01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.279
You know, I love the Crow and the bad guy
1543
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:30.199
from the Crow, isn't it. Oh yeah, And there's some
1544
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:34.119
hot Alien Ripley love making, which I'm just here for.
1545
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.600
And then Winona riders and they're like, well, I'll do
1546
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:38.399
that with you too, and then I don't know, I
1547
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:41.520
don't know. It's it's it's it's a camp be sexy
1548
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:42.199
hat fun time.
1549
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.439
It's a yeah, it's a trip.
1550
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.279
It is. It's fun. Yes.
1551
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:52.720
I I am going to kind of playoff of Ashley here, and.
1552
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:57.479
I'm gonna recommend Alien Earth the series.
1553
01:13:57.479 --> 01:13:59.119
If you haven't watched the series, I think you should
1554
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:00.079
watch it.
1555
01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:04.479
It doestor yeah.
1556
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:09.359
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Predator Predators or I
1557
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.960
can't or the Predator was one of those No Alien Earth,
1558
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.520
because I think it does in the same way that
1559
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:20.199
Aliens kind of like in the same way that Aliens.
1560
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.720
Oh you haven't seen the show. It's great, I love
1561
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.800
it in the same way that Aliens kind of like
1562
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:31.760
establishes lore that was hinted at in Alien Aliens, makes
1563
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:32.960
it so much more.
1564
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:38.000
Rich and kind of concrete.
1565
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.960
It gives you so much of the actual lore of
1566
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:43.680
the franchise that the rest of the franchise is built off.
1567
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:48.880
Alien Earth really kind of does the same thing while
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01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:54.800
still being kind of like having a certain amount of
1569
01:14:54.800 --> 01:15:01.600
plasticity with the franchise and the timeline, and like, I
1570
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:05.199
think they handle that aspect of the kind of keeping
1571
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:09.840
things a little vague as far as like the timeline.
1572
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.319
And the strict.
1573
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.760
Law of the franchise goes. But I think that's kind
1574
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:15.359
of a part of the whole franchise.
1575
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:18.279
Yeah, hey, listen, a VP already blew that up, you know,
1576
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.479
with the with the with Yeah, I.
1577
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.800
Saw that with Ken when he was still a minor
1578
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:26.119
on Christmas.
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01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:26.520
Uh.
1580
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:29.760
Yeah, that's a movie that I hated upon watching for
1581
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:33.720
the first time, and then I grown to be okay
1582
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:34.039
with it.
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01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:35.319
It's not great, but it's.
1584
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:37.640
Oh yeah, that's what I feel about.
1585
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.840
They're okay because honestly, because a VP Requiem exists and
1586
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:44.960
it's so much worse. Yeah, the Requiem is just a dog.
1587
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.079
I can't stand that movie.
1588
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:51.239
Yeah that's bad. Yeah, it's very bad. That was kind
1589
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:53.199
of how I felt about Alien three for a long time,
1590
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:54.520
and I go back and forth.
1591
01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:56.840
I don't like Aliens three, and I actually, now that
1592
01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:58.720
we've gone on this journey, feel like I need to
1593
01:15:58.760 --> 01:15:59.760
watch the third one.
1594
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:00.840
Probably should do that.
1595
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:03.920
I mean, it's coming, it's coming there.
1596
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:06.800
It's also David Fincher's first film, you know, and yeah,
1597
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:08.880
it's definitely finchery finchery.
1598
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:11.640
Yeah.
1599
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:17.520
Just the you know, killing my favorite characters, some of.
1600
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:20.720
My favorite characters all done in that movie as opposed
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01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:21.399
to other sequels.
1602
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:24.880
But I understand that that that, yes, it serves the story,
1603
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:32.039
but like, I'm still upset.
1604
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:30.920
It's not meant to be like, yay, that's they're dead,
1605
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:31.119
you know.
1606
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:36.840
Yeah, yeah, oh no, I know, I know, I get it.
1607
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.640
I'd literally just I shit, you not tweeted about this
1608
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:41.640
the other day because I saw somebody complaining about that
1609
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:43.840
and I just thought, oh, choose violence, and I said
1610
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.239
that I'd rather have Alien three the way it was
1611
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.680
done instead of the spy who shacked me, where Elizabeth
1612
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.439
Hurley's character turns out to be the robot at the
1613
01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:53.279
very beginning, and I'm like, boom.
1614
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:57.880
Yeah, I mean I wanted I wanted Hicks, Ripley and
1615
01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.520
Newt just living happily on it.
1616
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:01.560
None.
1617
01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:05.039
Well, that's not fun. That's a story we need.
1618
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:09.039
Bram franchise of.
1619
01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:10.159
And then we need our.
1620
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.119
Little adorable cyborg who is ripped and have to be
1621
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:19.600
put back in half. Okay, all right, guys, Well, thank
1622
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:23.000
you so much Mark for joining us, and we will continue.
1623
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.439
We listen, we have Aliens three, Alien Resurrection, and we
1624
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:28.159
haven't done for me this. We have a whole way
1625
01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:31.119
to go. We're going to go through this alien journey
1626
01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:32.479
for the next ten years.
1627
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:34.960
So join us. Yeah, please please.
1628
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:43.319
So that's that's coming next Mark you Mark, we have
1629
01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:47.119
to about our hundredth episode, which we will do camera.
1630
01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:52.359
Thank you guys so much for joining us, and we
1631
01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:54.159
can't wait to see you on our next episode.
1632
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:56.880
Can I do a quick plug? Oh?
1633
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.239
Sh do you do things.
1634
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.960
So sorry. Yeah, there's a I've got a.
1635
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:07.520
Game coming out called Debauchery and Magic, a video game
1636
01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:10.039
that I'm doing a bunch of voices for. Uh, And
1637
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.760
even if I wasn't, I would want to talk about.
1638
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:14.880
It because it's super cool, super fun game.
1639
01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:20.520
If you're into role playing games but also hitting bongs,
1640
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:24.399
drinking beers and doing skateboard stuff as a wizard, that
1641
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.640
sounds fun. You go, yeah, go go wishless Debauchery and
1642
01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:34.479
Magic on Steam. And also a new friend of mine
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01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:37.039
dot com steamed I Think It Steam dot com. A
1644
01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:41.319
new friend of mine Christian de Leo, who does an
1645
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.119
instagram called Movies with Christian.
1646
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:43.840
Uh.
1647
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.880
He's a really fun account to follow and a fun
1648
01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:48.039
guy to talk about movies with.
1649
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:49.119
He's got a.
1650
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.840
Impeccable knowledge of uh, movies that are.
1651
01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:59.159
Not good but good.
1652
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:01.319
I get it beautiful.
1653
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:02.239
You know what I'm saying.
1654
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:08.079
I do okay and always mutine Yes, thank you.
1655
01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:10.800
Let me add the show.
1656
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:16.520
Thank you all for joining us for this episode of
1657
01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:21.399
Bill and Ashley's part of the standupand a Network. You
1658
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.239
can find my work in the show notes links below.
1659
01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:25.199
Check us out on social media. You can find this
1660
01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.479
show at strandufay dot com and if Real to Gear podcast.
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01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:29.960
Join a Patreon at patreon dot com. Slash Piel Nash
1662
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:31.800
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1663
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:33.279
free to write to us at Pella Nash Tear Theater
1664
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:35.239
at gmail dot com. We're dying to hear from you,
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01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:46.359
see you and your n ooh choosing violence right off
1666
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:50.640
the bat. Damn I got Marter Burke love did you?
1667
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:51.960
I had the same thought.
1668
01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:55.319
I was like, God, damn you was so those sea
1669
01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:55.880
foam eyes.
1670
01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.039
Hey, it's not a coincidence. Here was this lead of
1671
01:19:59.079 --> 01:19:59.800
Matt about you.
1672
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.640
I mean, I wanted to put in there at my age,
1673
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:05.560
but that was like, don't out yourself, bitch.
1674
01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:08.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll say, I'll say it, I'll say
1675
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:09.239
it later.
1676
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.159
I'll say now that I'm in my mid forties, I
1677
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:14.840
can look at Burke like a twink, like a little twink.
1678
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:20.319
I want to, oh, dear, can Ken put this at
1679
01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:20.640
the end.
1680
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:24.079
If it's going at the end, then I'll self finish
1681
01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:26.119
my thought and say finish. I want to be the
1682
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:30.000
alien that pops out of the locker at the end and.
1683
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:33.920
Gets him and violates him well and impregnates him.
1684
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:37.960
Well fade to black