The Generational Divide: Understand Gen Z with Pinesap

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Satsang with Mooji Choir singing.
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Just that's what that was.
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Just four seconds of a woman messing up.
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That's all we need to start.
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That gets the stream off on good spirits Four seconds of a woman messing up, compared to two hours of an ant messing up messing up.
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Well, there you go, um.
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We like to start off teasing the ladies a little.
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It weeds out the sensitive ones, and rob just told me we have 17.
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Of our audience is women.
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I think most youtube shows are like 60 40 we only have, like we started off, 60, 40 yeah, and we are down to 17 female female audience, which, for those 17% of the women that stick around, that is I mean you have something to brag about because you're not sensitive.
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So we wanted to get Pinesap on tonight because they're trying to understand the generational divide.
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Now we usually have Nick Cavazos on, but Nick Cavazos is like your hardcore SSPX.
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You know uber trad and I'm trying soul that carries a single action army revolver yeah, he's also got like some real american roots man.
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His uh grandfather was in.
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Uh, what was he?
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He's like the.
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I forget what position he held him he was the secretary of education under reagan like unbelievable credentials that kid has.
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But um, yeah, I wanted to.
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I wanted to see if, because we talk about it a lot, there's this weird divide.
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I think a lot of it is generational, I know a lot of it, uh, and we have a lot of like groipers that watch our show all the time.
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I want to understand the fuentes angle of it.
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I want want to understand the Pope Francis is the most, most base Pope, everything.
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But before we get into any of that, first off, do you share your real name online or do you just stick with Pine Sap?
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I just stick with Pine Sap just to not get doxxed or anything like that.
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It's kind of it's just kind of a safety thing.
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Where'd you come up with that name?
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Like what came up with that name?
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So I, I, I lived in colorado all my life and I grew up around pine trees, and so when I was a little kid, I would just like go out in the forest and, like you know, play games in the woods or whatever, play tag with my friends, or like we throw we throw pine cones at each other till, uh, you know, our arms started to bleed or something.
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So, um, from that experience that I had as a kid, I just, I, I kind of just conjured up the name Pine Zap, with the help of my friend Spexo, because I was like, ok, I want some like Colorado reference to my name and I thought I wanted to be called Pine Sol Graper or what have you.
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And Spexo comes in.
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He's like dude, just call yourself Pine Zap.
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He's like that's a cool name, it's short, it makes your own identity.
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I'm like I love, I love it.
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Dude, this is a great name the.
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The first time I you came across my radar, you were on gordon's show, like you.
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You did a, you did something with gordon or I don't know if it's a couple years ago or something, but yeah, that was the first time he came across my radar.
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Then I think I started seeing things getting tense between, like, the trads and the younger guys and and I remember blocking Christian Wagner and I blocked Catholic Orca, like I said, like you guys were like, annoying me so much.
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And then like I had a change of heart when I realized, all right, these, these guys are young guys, they're coming into the faith and they're just expressing their faith differently than I am.
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I don't.
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I know they don't have the same perspective of me, but they also don't have the same history I have from it.
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So I unblocked all you guys and I've, like I've actually you guys have all grown up.
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Like every one of you, was that before or after you got into it with mindset?
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Oh, it was it was like I would do it.
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Even Even Patty Patty on Twitter.
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I had him blocked for a while Like I don't know I must have been like super sensitive or something Like when somebody would annoy me, I would just block them, and I don't know.
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I went through a phase like that and then I just started like blocking them.
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Like why am I doing this?
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You know it's just silly.
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So before we get into the debate or anything or like that, like what was your upbringing?
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Were you raised catholic?
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Did you have a conversion later on?
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not like a full conversion story, but just kind of like a quick snapchat uh, snapshot yeah, um, so I, I was not raised catholic at all and I I was not raised really around a whole heck of a lot of catholics I mean any catholics in my life were lapsed catholics who hadn't gone to mass in years.
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Right, last mass, excuse me, the last mass they went to was like their confirmation when they were like 12.
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Right, and because of that I grew up in a very evangelical County and I kind of credit the evangelicals for at least helping me keep some semblance of a faith.
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But I came from an Episcopalian family.
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Oh, I mean, if you know Episcopalianism, rob, I mean, if you know episcopalianism, rob, and anthony, it's a garbage fire, yeah it's so horrible.
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I mean, like you know, women, priestesses and gay marriage and all that kind of stuff.
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Um, oh, by the way, if, if I get a little too heated with anything, I say, just you know, let me know.
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Um, I, I want to respect the tos of youtube.
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Uh, for you guys.
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But that's all just stay within the youtube guidelines, but there's no, I don't care, okay, okay, awesome anthony will be the one to break them anyway.
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Yeah, let's go let's go, um, but yeah, I mean that that was what I was raised with.
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And then when I was kind of in in middle school, I got into like white people, buddhism, right, like I was like, oh you, I'm like one with everything, I want to be one with everything.
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I didn't renounce my faith in Christ, but I thought that you could be like reincarnated or go to heaven.
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I, you know, I was theologically illiterate, I didn't know what I was talking about and, um, when I was in my sophomore year of high school, I had a, uh, an existential crisis.
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Like I was was like my life doesn't have any meaning.
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Uh, the sun's gonna explode, I'm gonna die and all this is gonna be forgotten.
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And it was honestly kind of my my introduction into politics because of gamergate, that I started hearing people you're gonna have to explain that to anthony no, I know what gamergate is okay, I
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know what gamergate is yeah, yeah so I mean I don't want to get too deep into it.
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Um gamer, all right, yeah, just continue your story, because a lot of people in the audience won't know, but yeah, I, I mean, essentially, it was just like, you know, us gamers, right, the most oppressed class in the entire world.
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We were just trying to play our video games and like all these feminists were coming in and they're like you need to make a space for women and LGBT people and stuff like that.
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And we're like what the heck is going on, right?
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So you know, we started off cringe libertarians, now we're like fanatics that would give, like ISIS.
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What year was this that was?
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like 2015.
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Yeah, 2015.
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So right around the time of the Trump election, you got this 2015.
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So right around the time of the Trump election, you got this is how I think it's not like Milo came into, like into people's, you know, vision and things like that.
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Like, yeah, 2015 is a wild year.
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I remember Gamergate.
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Really it was kind of like a catalyst almost for the culture.
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It really was, because, like kids before that didn't really want to be politically involved.
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They were very libertarian.
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They were just like you know, do what you will, I want to be left alone.
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I just want to enjoy my creature comforts, my bread, bread and circuses.
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And it was like, as you said, anthony, like everything kind of blew up at that time and I think people got thrown into politics whether they liked it or not.
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Um, so for me it was like I got thrown in and I started hearing people talk about scripture more and talk about the Bible.
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So I was like I was going to read the Bible for myself and when I open up the Bible, I'm blown away that every single thing that I'm reading applies to my life perfectly, In a way that is heavenly, in a way that is otherworldly.
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It's not like a philosophy book, it's not a self-help book, but it but it is something like speaking to me, in a way as if, you know, god had been here this entire time with me, and from there I just said I want to be a devout Christian, and so from there I abandoned the Episcopalian stuff upon instantly learning that they dissented from scripture.
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I said that I was a more like conservative Anglican for many years, you know, leading up to like my freshman year in college.
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And then I still remember this day I was sitting in a coffee shop with my one of my best friend, james, who's becoming a priest, and I told him, james, I'm never going to become Catholic dude.
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Next year is my confirmation sponsor.
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So what's, what's the catalyst?
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What makes you?
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Was it him or was it?
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So you do you really want to know what's the catalyst?
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What makes you?
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Was it him or was it so?
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You do you really want to know what the catalyst was?
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It was the Bible.
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And it was realizing that I had seven books removed from my Bible.
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Dude, I was pissed when I learned that I was.
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I was steamed because, like I kind of at that time was just a very like almost solo scripture, a kind of guy.
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I'm like, look, the world's corrupt People are corrupt.
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All I know I can trust is the Bible.
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Right, that's the only trustworthy source.
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And then when I realized, like wait, protestant Bibles have seven books removed, seven books of scripture, holy scripture itself.
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God breathed, god wrote those words right, and they're not in my Bible bible, I got so angry that I called my friend mike on the phone, who was also very, very influential in my conversion, and I had my head down in my hands and I'm like mike buddy, you just got a level with me, is it true?
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Is it true?
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Do I have seven books removed from my bible?
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And he's like, yes, pine sap, you do.
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And then I put down the phone.
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I'm like I'm not protestant anymore wow right at that moment I'm like it's funny, like the, the things that god uses to to light that spark in us.
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You know so, okay, so what year was this so that much I've been catholic for I think three years now.
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So that was uh.
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I want to say 2020.
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That was 2020, like during covid you're having it.
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Yeah, okay, yeah.
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So during covid I was 23.
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Now, right like so.
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So you're about 20 years old, 19, 20 years old, and and this is all going down yeah, well, and it feels like I've been catholic for four years, because I basically wanted to be catholic for almost an entire year before I officially converted Like I, I, in that moment I mean that was like spring when that happened like March 2020.
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And I became Catholic you know that Easter 2021.
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And so literally that entire time, like I just was like the church is the truth, like I have no way to rebut this and I, quite literally, I would watch like entire like Dr Taylor Marshall videos, like his Aquinas Academy videos, and he just would say these incredible things that, like I couldn't rebut.
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I remember going on a forum looking up reasons why I should be Anglican and I kid you not, the guy on that forum is like listen, I'm an atheist, but I go to Anglican liturgies because I like the pomp and splendor and I'm like I'm out.
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It's a social club.
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It's a social club with some pretty ceremony legit, legit yeah, and really at that point it was just like God showed me this, this perfect truth that I just could not rebut in like any way, shape or form.
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I was like every single question I had was being answered, every single question, the most obscure facts and knowledge.
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I could find it somewhere in a book, or some theologian or some priest wrote about it and it was just insane to me so so what is the route of catechesis you take?
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so you said you watched like some older taylor marshall, not like his current events stuff, like you're watching his catechetical stuff, right, uh, believe it or not, I was actually I was watching his tim uh videos.
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He used to do with tim as well yeah, um, and they were kind of entertaining.
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In a way.
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I have a weird nostalgia for them and stuff like that, just because of their, their chemistry, um.
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But I was watching that.
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Ironically, I was actually watching church militant at that time too.
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I think everybody was and I I uh watched so many episodes, especially when I was dishwashing, that I would be able to imitate the michael voris vortex opening.
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I was like hello I'm michael voris and you're watching the vortex and you always had like the panties.
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Lies and falsehoods.
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Yeah, lies, and falsehoods are spun out.
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And really at that time you know it was that Trent Horn, patrick Coffin, when he was a part of Catholic Answers and doing the Patrick Coffin show on YouTube and they gave me sort of this formation of just being like dude, like this.
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History is deep and rich and I'm learning about things I never even knew about.
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Right, like you know truths about the inerrancy of scripture or the sort of integrity of like the infallibility of the church or even the pope during like pivotal points in history and stuff like that, and I'm like only like a divine church could be protected like that.
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I'm like only like a divine church could be protected like that.
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Because I was used to, I mean, in Anglicanism, like look, they have a new schism every like five years, right, like you know, even the conservative ones, like even ACNA, they just elected some bishop that's like ordaining women and stuff like that, and it's like that's supposed to be the conservative group, right.
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So I was used to like just an absolute garbage fire, like the ship is going down and we don't know where the church of God is, and and because of that I was like this just makes sense.
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That, like pertaining to when St Paul writes about like the pillar and ground of truth.
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Right, the church is the pillar and ground of truth and you know Jesus talking about in Matthew 18, 17,.
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Like you know, whatever this church declares like is my will.
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So if you cast a brother out and he's a tax collector and a heathen, onto you like, that's my will.
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It just made so much sense that Catholicism was true at that point.
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Yeah, somebody made a comment about my low cut shirt.
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If anybody would like this low cut shirt.
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It says have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and intercessor?
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or or avoiding pride.
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Yeah, nice.
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This shirt, honestly, is like my favorite freaking shirt I've ever had in my life.
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I don't know why anybody would not want that shirt.
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Um, it's such a catholic dad shirt.
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I well, it's really a protestant troll shirt, because that's the whole thing it's.
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Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?
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No, of course, obviously.
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But have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and intercessor?
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Yeah, so that also hit like subscribe, while we got a decent audience and OK.
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So so you're, this is around 2020.
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You're coming about this whole thing over the over the next few years.
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You're checking out most of your catechesis on like YouTube.
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You're watching Catholic answers stop.
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You're seeing Tim, uh uh.
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Tnt shows things like that.
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So you're coming from this insane background where it almost does seem stable even under Francis for you, right, like, like, like I think that's where the a lot of the younger guys they're having their conversions around.
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You know, because, like, even I think the kid Catholic Oracle, like he's very young too.
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I think he's maybe 20 years old or something Christian Wagner's in his early twenties.
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So I'm assuming you guys all kind of come in over like under francis, like this is the only pope you've ever had in your lifetime, really, right yeah, well, and, and I mean I was, uh, I was not a pope francis fan when I was coming to church, by any means.
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I, I actually uh, I would get like red in the face towards pope francis.
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I was angry, I thought he was like uh, I thought he was uh like Pope Benedict the ninth on steroids Right, and I would get super, super, super angry.
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I I actually didn't mention this, but, um, at the time I, I even uh, was very much, uh, had a very strong affinity towards the SSPX.
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In fact, um, before I even became Catholic I think this was actually during November, december I had a Zoom call with Father Paul Robinson because his church, his chapel, st Isidore in the field, is out in Watkins, colorado, and I mean he was huge, he did the Crisis in the church series and stuff like that.
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I became very familiar with kind of his presence online and we had like a great discussion and stuff like that.
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And I mean I always say it like this like I would read one Peter five or I'd read the remnant before I would ever read anything put out by the Vatican.
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So wow, this is interesting.
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I didn't know any of that.
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Okay, yeah, I, I've read and watched michael matt like all the time, um, uh, one peter five, timothy flanders and stuff like that which I I honestly, even though I'm not really a one peter five reader anymore, I still like timothy flanders, he's awesome, he's great.
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You want to know what's interesting.
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So when I had my conversion, to love tim it's hard not to love tim he really is.
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He's the most charitable lovable guy.
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um, when I had my conversion, I remember seeing remnant videos and being like what is this?
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So I would come across remnant videos and not even know what the heck, because it would all be like talking about the latin mass and the nova sword and I was like what are they even talking about?
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Then I remember coming across, um, the diamond brothers stuff.
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And I remember arguing with the diamond brothers in their, in their comment section, because they would be bashing benedict, like this was under benedict, and they'd be bashing benedict and I would, and I would be doing what the younger guys now are doing with the diamond brothers and I'd be like but they have the power to bind and lose, what are you talking about?
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And I would be throwing scripture at them and he'd be like, do you want to debate me right now?
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Like I'll kill you.
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Like literally arguing with the diamond brothers in their chat and I had no idea what was going on.
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So this is interesting to me that, okay, so you actually come in through more of a traditional angle and you've kind of settled into, I'm assuming you start coming across the Lofton stuff and you go okay, maybe, maybe there's another side to this, right.
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Well, it's interesting.
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So I when I first encountered Lofton I liked his like sort of his guest videos right when he like have people on, you know some like writer for like Oxford press or something.
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But I actually did not like him, I like loathed him, I was like, ah, he's, he's a bogus ordo apologist and stuff like that like what does he know?
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um, and I actually really what did it all for me was you know, I, I again, I would watch michael matt all the time and I actually I love to do the impression of how all the shows like open up, it's always this, like Bergoglio and his Pac-Man, mama parade, are taking over the deep Vatican and he's like in the like catacombs, like set and stuff like that.
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It just would crack me up.
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But, um, you know, I was attending St isidore's that summer because I finally had a friend to drive me and stuff like that, because from where I live, watkins is a very far away way, but we were willing to make the drive.
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And um, I actually remember when tradition was, custodians dropped and I had, I had like a crisis in faith.
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I, I was like man, I don't know, did I convert too fast?
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You know, did I not discern, like other churches?
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That might have been true.
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I was even at this time.
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I mean, jay Dyer was on the rise too and I didn't know anything about Eastern Orthodoxy because I was very kind of dismissive of it from the outset.
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I was like I don't know, is Eastern Orthodoxy true?
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I mean, he's saying all these things about the papacy I've never heard before and what kind of did me in was I actually watched the debate between him and eric and eric just like pancaked the guy, like he just utterly destroyed the guy.
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He made him look look silly and stupid so which debate was?
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this, uh, eric ybarra's debate with jay dyer.
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He totally, oh, okay, okay, totally crushed him.
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I mean I, you know everyone, all the ortho bros are like he talks like bluto from popeye how did he win the debate?
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Or whatever.
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But it's like if you look at that debate and see what he's slinging out, like eric crushed jay emphatically.
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I love eric ybarra.
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Eric's awesome.
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He's a, he's a great man and incredibly knowledgeable.
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Oh, my goodness, it's like there's a big old library up in that head or something.
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But, um, from watching that debate I said, okay, well, I know, eastern orthodoxy is not true.
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I, I, I kind of was dismissive of sedivacantism, to be honest, because I'm like, I know, set of a contest, set of a contestant, isn't true.
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You're telling me the one true church is out in some chapel in wichita kansas, like, come on, that's like anglicanism 2.0, you know, um, so I, I was kind of a little dismissive of that and I had seen some things debunking it from, like john salza and stuff like that not just that, I'll tell you what the the set of a contest biggest dilemma is set of a contest.
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So, um, I actually watched a video today.
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Um, this guy, uh, was actually breaking down a video of rob and I is our.
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It's funny because our last video was kind of like me, just like pouring my heart out, just being like I don't know what the hell's going on.
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I must have said I don't know 8 000 times that video was so hard to watch.
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Clips of me saying it did you say that more or less than you said like?
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I probably more, which is crazy, because I do say like an awful lot, um, yeah, it was just kind of just an honest me just saying like guys, I just don't know man, like don't, so, but the set of a contest, so it was actually a really charitable video which is very unique from a set of a contest vantage point.
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Who did it?
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Because most set of a contests are unbearable.
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Did you want?
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What did you say, rob?
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Who was it?
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I haven't heard, I think on Twitter it's St Anthony of Padua, but he was just like, hey, I kind of enjoyed the honesty.
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These guys brought this episode where they were.
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Just like you know, I kind of don't know which.
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I was annoyed by me saying that, but now I'm going to be worried that I'm not giving a good interview, so I don't even know where I was going with this.
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Oh so, yeah, so that last episode was kind of me doing that and and now have, like I want to.
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I want to find a way to keep communication open with everybody still, which is what we talked about in that last episode, right?
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Um, and also trying to understand the perspective of people that don't see it the way I see it.
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So, even having this conversation with you is me trying to understand where you, because when I when I see phrases like Francis is the most based Pope ever, I'm trying to understand if that's cope, if that's just a Gen Z mean kind of just kind of like trying to own people, or if people genuinely think francis is the most based pope ever, because it's coming from more of a background where rob and I come from.
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We I actually grew up, like I said, arguing with peter diamond and his thing, right then coming across remnant stuff and being like what the heck is this?
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Because I was so uh, gung-ho for the Catholicism of JP II and Benedict XVI and this whole idea of a hermeneutic, of continuity and this reform, of the reform idea.
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And then Francis came around and it kind of like shattered everything I thought, and it was like you said you had a crisis of faith, like I had a legit crisis of faith under Francis.
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I left the sacraments for a period and then came back and found a more balanced way to see things because I saw how my life fell apart without the sacraments.
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Now I'm wondering how, how, how you work that out right?
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So you said you had this crisis of faith when Tradition Iotis comes out.
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So how do you wind up working that out?
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So you know, I kind of I kind of had had talked a little bit before I was going through all the things in my mind, right, eastern Orthodoxy is not true.
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I know Protestantism isn't true.
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I know that, like I'm going back baby steps, I'm like I know Christ is real, I know he rose again from the dead, I know he established a church that I need to be part of just the question of which church.
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So I'm going through all these options and, you know, I I dismissed, as, as we just talked, said a Eastern Orthodox, and I was like, okay, well, my, my issue with the recognize and resist position and my issue sort of the SSPX is, know, nova sordo watch doesn't do a lot that's good in terms of of someone who is consistent in their theology, defending the papacy, someone like, uh I was about to say roberto de mate uh, uh, dr robert festigi, I think would be a good example.
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Like it'd be hard for nova sordo watch to take a guy like you know, dr robert festigi.
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I think would be a good example.
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Like it'd be hard for nova sordo watch to take a guy like you know, dr robert festigi.
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But they were writing these articles and I was reading that, reading them where they're like well, you know, dr peter k will write this article about how ultramontanism is a heresy.
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And then they'll go through the history of the church and they'll bring up like a quote from Umberto Benigni, right from the Catholic Encyclopedia, and then they'll hit him with another quote being like you know, here's what it means to be a loyal son of the church.
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And I was seeing just this sort of like disconcordant view in theology between the recognize and resist position and sort of being a Catholic.
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And so I'm like okay, if that's not the case or the route that I can take, what's sort of the final option?
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And I think to myself maybe my presuppositions about this whole issue were wrong, right, and from there I read a couple people who, in my mind, are true traditionalists Diedrich von Hildebrand.
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There's a guy named James Larson who wrote a fantastic book, war Against the Papacy, and he's fully traditional.
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He's a traditional guy, loves the TLM.
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I think he even went to the TLM before he died and all these things lined up.
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But he defended Vatican II and too, and defended, uh, saint john paul ii, even like the assisi gathering and stuff like that, being like, yeah, you know, like some imprudent things went on.
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That's okay to say.
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You know we don't need to be blind about.
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You know there was definitely some imprudent things, but like here's how saint john paul ii wasn't like, oh, all religions are salvific or whatever.
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Yeah.
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And the more and more I read and the more and more I consumed sort of that literature and I was starting to reconsider people I otherwise I kind of just dismiss.
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Yeah, I was like, ok, I want to be, I want to be in the lockstep with the council fathers of the first Vatican council.
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Now that sounds a little nerdy.
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Let me explain what I mean.
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All these men I admire, these traditionalists who literally battled the modern world, who you know were thrown out of their churches during the takeover of the papal states and stuff like that, sometimes martyred, right Like Archbishop George Darboy was martyred in the Paris commune.
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These men I admired and loved so much, like they had inspired me to want to be a better Catholic.
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And I'm like, what's their theology?
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Well, they were all Tremontanists.
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They fully defended the tradition of the church.
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They would die defending the tradition of the church.
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I will die defending the tradition of the church.
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I would rather my this sounds intense.
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I'd rather my throat be slit and my blood be drained like a pig than ever give up any of the traditions of the church.
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Yeah, and while they had that attitude, they didn't see it disconcordant with being obedient to the pope.
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They actually saw it as being an all-inclusive thing because fundamentally not of any rationalist like idea or principle, but because they understood the holy spirit protects and confirms the church.
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And the more and more I started to go into like papal apologetics especially, and I would read like dom prosper grange's book, like the papal monarchy, I was starting to see this whole almost mystical and this whole spiritual dimension to everything in the life of the church and church history and the way that sort of the stormy seas of life try to upend or only for Christ to say be still.
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And from there I like refound my faith.
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And I remember I went to my confessor and I said you know, father John, I kind of fell away.
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This summer I was attending the sspx and stuff like that.
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He's like pine sap because father john's my spiritual father, I love him and he was he's a novus ordo priest?
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uh, yes, he is.
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Okay, he is, and you were going to the sspx, so you actually have experience with the latin mass.
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Yes, I do okay, I, I gotta say our lady shout out to our lady, mount carmel in littleton, colorado.
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I love that parish father nolan is a beast.
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Yeah, okay, he's such a good man okay.
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So some of the arguments I'm seeing from even christian wagner, which I like christian, but I think he doesn't understand, um, so okay, so you come in and, like you're, you have a very youthful faith man.
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Like it's very new, like, regardless of how you look at it, like it's only four years old.
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You know so, when you're talking about some of us who have had like so we were raised, like I would consider myself a JP2 Catholic, you know, like so we were raised, like I would consider myself a jp2 catholic, you know so the things that I have a very high view of john paul ii and benedict and it wasn't really challenged until 2017 like I still have like a nostalgia for those guys.
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I'll still not want to bash either one of them.
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I love both of them, you know, even though I recognize a lot of the mistakes they made and stuff.
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But then to discover the traditional mass, after attending Novus Ordo for years, telling myself like at every mass, the saints and angels are present and you're representing the sacrifice at Calvary, while not actually experiencing that, but while not actually seeing it experientially, I guess you would say at the Novus Ordo, right and then all of a sudden, I discover the traditional Latin Mass and these pieces click together and it's like whoa, this is the sacrifice of the Mass and I'm starting to see Catholic theology actually makes sense in the liturgy itself.
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So now that we're all getting these rumors of this new um, uh, clamp down on the traditional mass.
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I I almost think guys that have a traditional nova sordo or guys who don't have any experience with the traditional lat mass, when they say things like anyone who would leave the church over a liturgy was never a real Catholic and just dismissing people's actual real devotion and love for the traditional mass.
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It's almost a disconnect because they don't actually have experience.
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So I actually respect that.
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You have experience with the traditional liturgy, right.
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So hearing guys just dismiss it like you're going to leave the church over the liturgy no, no, no.
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You have to understand.
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There were men who died over this liturgy.
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You know like this is you're talking about, especially during the Protestant Reformation, as England is changing over to the Cranmer table and things like that.
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There are Catholics who died for this liturgy and there are Catholics now who have fallen in love with this liturgy and to have it yanked away by Francis.
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I can empathize with people who are just like what are you doing?
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It's just, it's just a.
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It's a really crazy time in the church, man.
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I mean I, I, I always try to show empathy towards all positions and try to see it from everybody's position, but I hate when anybody just dismisses somebody because they don't see it exactly how they do.
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You know.
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Oh, of course, like you know, leaving the church over the TLM or something is, you know, stupid or something like that.
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I still do affirm that position but, that being said, I still do have a compassion and understanding, for, you know, the TLM has played such a huge role in people's lives and even in my life.
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I love the TLM.
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Actually I'm not.
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I'm not anti-tlm.
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I actually believe it or not.
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I have a big beef and, I would almost argue, a bigger problem with where peter is than I even do any, you know.
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Trad publication, for lack of better term oh no, my reason why I'm gonna
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show up, yeah, yeah, you even mentioned him.
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He shows up, yeah I, I'm not a fan of that gentleman, to be quite honest, and and the reason why is because you know, their publication slanders faithful Catholics.
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I mean, you know, like pretending, like everyone who goes to fraternity, st Peter Mass is a new Martin Luther or Dollinger or whatever, right, and you know, just berating these people.
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But then they'll write these endless fluff pieces about how this guy who says that, like gay, is okay or whatever.
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Well, here's actually how, um, this dissident liberal theologian didn't really mean that and we should have charity for him, right, but then they'll have zero charity for someone who's a completely faithful Catholic, completely obedient Catholic, and attends the traditional Latin mass.
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And I, I call BS on that.
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Quite frankly, I don't wish Mike Lewis any ill will or anything like that.
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Yeah, no, no, I understand that All right, so it's frustrating.
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You know, the somebody said it here actually, which is a.
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I actually really liked that comment, okay.
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So how did you get to base Francis, though, like that's still a big jump, right?
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So now is the whole meme Francis is the most base Pope ever.
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Is it a meme, or do you genuinely mean it?
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I mean, are you being realistic in something like that?
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Do you, do you not recognize there's something different about Francis than any Pope we've ever had?
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before, or yeah.
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So what I would say about that is you know, zoomers, we love our irony, we love our jokes, we love our means.
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So there is a level of irony to it.
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Like you know, personally, in the modern era, I think the most base Pope ever is like St Pius the 10th.
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You know he's one of my favorite Popes and stuff like that you know saying pope francis is the most space.
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I think it's alexander the six but we'll leave that for another.
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But um, the rhetorical effect of saying pope francis is the most space pope ever is us trying to stand up when people are like, okay, but bergoglio, he's on the throne and you need to admit he's an apostate and stuff like that.
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And we say, no, we love pope francis and in fact, pope francis is the most based pope ever.
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Not that that I personally think that pope francis is the most based pope ever.
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Yeah, so it's a mean, it's a mean you're going for you, you're seeing pope bashing going on.
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It's like all right, look right, look like we're still Catholic Because.
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I can understand the position like I.
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I can totally understand the position of hey, we're Catholic, what are Catholics supposed to do?
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We're supposed to be obedient to the Pope.
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All the, all the trads who just dismiss anybody who wants to be obedient to the Pope.
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It's it's like.
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I understand that position.
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Man, I understand that position of you.
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Don't want to uncover your father's nakedness.
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I understand that.
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It's a very Catholic ideal, right?
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Somebody had said to me the other day I was joking around about cradle Catholics and converts and somebody was like, yeah, well, cradle Catholics allow communion in the hand, they allowed all this stuff.
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And I said, yeah, well, you have to understand.
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The Catholic instinct is obedience, right?
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So if your bishop is telling you communion in the hand, we're changing the liturgy.
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The Catholic instinct is hey, my bishop is telling me, this is okay, I want to be the Pope and the bishops are saying this, I'm going to follow this.
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This is the genuine Catholic instinct.
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This is the genuine Catholic instinct, right?
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The idea of what we're going through now is it almost seems like the converts came in and gave this rebellious attitude.
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But me, as a cradle Catholic, seeing what's going on, my heart is ripped apart and I'm just like.
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I just want to be Catholic, like what the heck is going on?
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I don't know.
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I don't know what this disunity is.
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I don't know.
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What francis is doing right now seems like every single move he makes is trying to push those of us who actually love christ and his church to want to.
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It's.
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It's just such a weird time in in the church, man, I, I'm, I'm, I'm struggling right now.
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I don't know.
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I'm kind of?
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do you think, um, do you think that, even like jokingly, seemingly to ignore the realities, at least some of the realities of this pontificate, do you think that that can cause damage, though at times and for some people?
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I think the way that at least we talk about pope francis in our circle, I don't see it cause damage, because I've had a lot of people come to me and say, wow, I, I like I never knew he did this thing, for instance, right like I, I mean I was amazed personally in in in what I was reading.
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Like him giving entire speeches about being like we have to cling to the deposit of faith, like that's something that Pope Francis said, I'm like I would expect, like St Pius X, to say that.
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He'll say that in one breath and then he'll have the biggest abortionist in Italy, join the Pontifical Academy for Life in the next, and then he'll say something like Frotia Gine, and then he'll have James Martin at the Vatican the next day and it'll be a big, and he does it every June on top of that during Pride Month, and it's like the amount of double speak and the amount of look.
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I understand what you're saying.
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.340
It's like all you're hearing from all these different outlets is negativity about Pope Francis.
00:38:49.340 --> 00:39:00.050
So you want to say, okay, well, look, let's highlight the good things, right, and I've even seen Redeemed Zoomer, who's not Catholic, and he's like you Catholics who think Francis is this awful thing.
00:39:00.050 --> 00:39:08.068
You don't know how good you have it with the stability of Francis, like he's not ordaining women, he's not allowing gay marriage, he's not, you know.
00:39:08.068 --> 00:39:16.563
But to even have something like the blessing that, what, the what the heck document was that, with the blessing, the same sex?
00:39:16.643 --> 00:39:18.215
couple the duplicates.
00:39:18.356 --> 00:39:22.271
Yeah, it's like a blessing the people but not the couples.
00:39:22.271 --> 00:39:40.592
But you can do it together, whether it's just we want our church to be clear because so many people came into the church because the culture is collapsing and pulling apart and pushing a birth control, and it's like the church is this beacon that's supposed to say no, you can't actually do birth control.
00:39:40.592 --> 00:39:43.721
No, I don't care if people are saying same sex marriage is OK no, no, no.
00:39:43.721 --> 00:39:45.126
I don't care if people are saying same-sex marriage is okay no, no, no.
00:39:45.126 --> 00:39:45.487
You can't do that.
00:39:45.487 --> 00:40:08.273
You want the church to be the rock, the foundation that actually teaches humanity the moral code, and seeing even the wishy-washy stuff in action versus the words themselves is really destructive to a lot of people, man, and it's a very tough thing to handle, especially as a Catholic who's a lifelong Catholic, watching this stuff.
00:40:10.101 --> 00:40:16.574
Yeah, I mean, what I would say is, you know, that's not to say that there aren't charitable critiques to make of Pope Francis.
00:40:16.574 --> 00:40:21.291
In fact, you know, I would say, yeah, yeah, let's, let's excommunicate the Germans.
00:40:21.291 --> 00:40:34.289
I mean, frankly, I think Pope Francis should excommunicate the German episcopate, the dutch episcopate, probably mostly austrian episcopate too, and just and just clean house with them and stuff like that and and that he's never going to be that guy I have.
00:40:34.329 --> 00:40:35.884
I have no delusions right.
00:40:35.884 --> 00:40:46.282
He's never going to do that right, he's right he's never even going to excommunicate the most heretical, but he will excommunicate and I understand the vegano thing you know went too far.
00:40:46.282 --> 00:40:51.903
I mean, obviously, if you're at the end of things, you know saying like you got to reign the guy in you're.
00:40:51.985 --> 00:40:53.329
You're literally asking for it.
00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:54.594
Yeah, you're begging for it.
00:40:54.594 --> 00:40:59.688
Right, it's, I get it, it's, it's just man but.
00:40:59.728 --> 00:41:29.235
But you know, the thing about it is now, I do think that pope francis should punish the liberals more and I I think it is something where it's imprudent that there's not more of that going on I that is a charitable as a, as a son to a father that is a charitable critique that I'd make, but even like, even that being said, like with the whole vegano thing I mean, I think it was like 2017 or something like he actually medicated like a pro-gay priest in in australia, like he defrocked him, um, and that was that.
00:41:29.257 --> 00:41:30.438
You know, that was a huge thing.
00:41:30.438 --> 00:41:35.210
I remember there was, uh, like an italian priest, too, who was like supporting gay marriage.
00:41:35.210 --> 00:41:36.960
He, he got defrocked, um.
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:44.525
I I think he might have gotten excommunicated, but at least, if not excommunicated, he was completely laicized, like he's not a priest anymore.
00:41:45.887 --> 00:41:46.829
Wait, wait, Joe, it's.
00:41:46.829 --> 00:41:47.429
He didn't.
00:41:47.429 --> 00:41:48.853
I'm not, I wouldn't even say he went.
00:41:48.853 --> 00:41:58.746
I my issue with vegan was the Trump stuff, Like the, the Trump American election stuff, Like that was when he lost me.
00:41:58.746 --> 00:42:01.346
I never, I never took issue with the.
00:42:01.346 --> 00:42:02.681
I'll tell you, I never took issue with the.
00:42:02.701 --> 00:42:03.521
Okay, so let's put it this way.
00:42:03.521 --> 00:42:19.282
Let's put, let's put authority and validity of Francis aside, right, Like, seriously, put all the authority and the excommunication of Vigano aside.
00:42:19.282 --> 00:42:24.509
Who actually believes the authentic Catholic faith, more Vigano or Francis?
00:42:24.509 --> 00:42:25.809
And let's just be honest about it.
00:42:25.809 --> 00:42:28.914
Right, Like the authentic Catholic faith that has Vigano or Francis?
00:42:28.914 --> 00:42:30.896
And let's just be honest about it.
00:42:30.896 --> 00:42:37.568
Right, Like the authentic Catholic faith that has been handed down from the apostles, which one of those two men which you have to take the authority stuff aside?
00:42:37.568 --> 00:42:39.195
Right, Because we know what Vigano thinks of the second Vatican council.
00:42:39.195 --> 00:42:40.460
Like, forget all of that stuff I'm just talking about.
00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:47.581
Like the actual Catholic faith of Catholicolic morality and what it and what the church has always taught.
00:42:47.581 --> 00:42:54.641
Like I would say, vegano actually sees the church for what it is, more than francis does it.
00:42:54.740 --> 00:42:56.483
And it almost seems like francis.
00:42:56.503 --> 00:43:14.465
You know, see that before it became advantageous for him okay, you can bring that up, yeah you know because he was a careerist historically like before, before he got booted from his position, he was silent and he went along to play along and until that happened.
00:43:14.525 --> 00:43:16.329
Then all of a sudden, then all of a sudden.
00:43:16.349 --> 00:43:17.902
I get that, I get that argument.
00:43:18.003 --> 00:43:19.630
I'm not judging him because I don't know.
00:43:19.630 --> 00:43:22.963
Yeah, I'm just saying there's there's indications that it could be that way.
00:43:22.963 --> 00:43:23.063
Yeah.
00:43:24.507 --> 00:43:25.351
Yeah, look, there's people.
00:43:25.351 --> 00:43:28.730
Look, guys, you're going to see both sides, right.
00:43:28.730 --> 00:43:29.945
So by far, francis.
00:43:29.945 --> 00:43:31.481
This person says vegan, like this is.
00:43:31.481 --> 00:43:45.094
The reason we're having this conversation is because, like, we're all cats and that's kind of where I am, where I went from blocking you guys to saying, okay, this is just a weird time man.
00:43:45.094 --> 00:43:49.447
And like how do you not love your Catholic brother who believes the Catholic faith?
00:43:49.447 --> 00:43:55.427
Like how do you not love your Catholic brother, right, oh yeah for sure, absolutely, absolutely.
00:43:55.659 --> 00:44:02.360
Yeah, and I mean, you know not to sound like a broken record I really am sorry with how I interacted with you guys.
00:44:04.025 --> 00:44:05.250
I don't even know why I blocked you.
00:44:05.250 --> 00:44:06.606
I really don't remember.
00:44:06.940 --> 00:44:07.867
I genuinely don't remember.
00:44:07.867 --> 00:44:09.992
I was probably just annoyed.
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:17.791
I was probably just annoyed with the like I just saw the Francis is the most paid Pope ever stuff and I was just like these guys are just like.
00:44:18.340 --> 00:45:04.764
but I had to kind of get into the Gen Z mindset a little bit and understand what you guys were doing, I think well, it was one of those things like when I woke up like christian's my, me and christian are really really good friends right when I woke up that morning I because I think it happened all I think it all went down in the morning where we initially like we're going back and forth on twitter and then it was like stupid or whatever, um, and I felt bad after but all I saw was christian, uh a quote tweeting, uh, quote tweeting you and and I I liked actually avoiding babylon prior to that, but I saw him quote tweeting you about you know, a jewish guy speaking on the nova sordo and just to say, with the stuff I study, that touched a sensitive.
00:45:04.824 --> 00:45:11.614
Yeah, okay, so this might be a good, let's, let's go this route, and then we'll get into the point, that stuff, and then oh yeah, yeah, let's go this route.
00:45:12.081 --> 00:45:13.927
And me being facetious not being.
00:45:13.967 --> 00:45:16.385
Do you remember it was actually more for the YouTube TOS.
00:45:16.427 --> 00:45:17.208
I just wanted to clarify.
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Do you remember who I was?
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:27.940
who?
00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:28.442
So it was eric weinstein.
00:45:28.442 --> 00:45:29.585
Eric, eric, oh, okay, okay, okay, yes, eric weinstein and all.
00:45:29.585 --> 00:45:34.461
All I saw, just from my perspective all I saw is christian's being attacked, christian's getting in a in a fight with you.
00:45:34.461 --> 00:45:38.610
I got to defend my friend and and and attack, attack, attack.
00:45:38.610 --> 00:45:49.007
Right, I wasn't factoring in all, I wasn't factoring in your goodwill and stuff like that when I did it and and that's why I felt so bad after I was like, oh, come on, like I was.
00:45:49.047 --> 00:45:52.364
Men should be able to trash each other a little bit and not be sensitive about it.
00:45:52.364 --> 00:45:59.675
Yeah, no, no, it shouldn't be like he said something about me and I, you know I acted like I shouldn't have overreacted.
00:45:59.675 --> 00:46:03.043
Men should be able to, you know, spar a little bit no for sure.
00:46:03.063 --> 00:46:04.344
Well, and it was one of those things.
00:46:04.344 --> 00:46:12.987
You know, one of the guys actually who inspired me to take up catholic apologetics and who he's one of my icons is is e michael jones.
00:46:12.987 --> 00:46:24.907
Yeah, like e michael jones, you know, everyone knows him for culture wars, but he actually had a magazine before that that I would almost say in some ways has been more influential on me, which is fidelity magazine.
00:46:24.907 --> 00:46:33.951
And fidelity magazine was cool because it was it's you know, again, it would defend Vatican, to defend the Pope and defend St John Paul the second.
00:46:33.951 --> 00:46:51.211
But it was very traditional too, like they would bring up super politically incorrect quotes from saying like they weren't unwilling to sort of talk about like, hey, homosexuality is like an abominable sin, like it's not just a thing, like oh well, it's, it's just kind of not ideal.
00:46:51.211 --> 00:46:55.773
It's like, no, this is like evil, right, or like abortion is, you know, atrocious.
00:46:55.972 --> 00:47:21.041
And seeing that approach or seeing that from like brent boswell, when he had a triumph magazine right with With like William Marshner and those guys, um, it really inspired me because I was like these guys get it Like they're, they're totally just just going to bat for um, the truth and they've also got this beautiful, uh, attitude of obedience and stuff like that.
00:47:21.041 --> 00:47:25.469
And you know, what I saw too is when I started to read those guys.
00:47:25.469 --> 00:47:59.643
I mean a lot of people attacking the church are jewish right and and it's because it's like the reason they attack the church is because their religion hates jesus so much that when they see the cosmic monarchy reflected in the papal monarchy, they're like attack, attack, attack, slander not just that, I think any any catholic or christian that doesn't understand that especially zionism is inherently against catholicism like it is.
00:47:59.943 --> 00:48:11.202
It is absolutely like what an awesome watershed moment when Gavin McInnes was debating Adam Adam King, adam King, you got it.
00:48:11.202 --> 00:48:11.925
Yeah.
00:48:11.925 --> 00:48:14.231
So Ryan's in the chat right now.
00:48:14.231 --> 00:48:17.483
Ryan Katzer Rivera is in the chat right now.
00:48:17.483 --> 00:48:20.286
That watershed moment was.
00:48:20.286 --> 00:48:27.244
So now my my perspective on this, this question, because I've talked about it like as a millennial.
00:48:27.244 --> 00:48:36.590
I'm raised hearing post-world war ii propaganda non-stop, right like we're watching movies like sophie's choice and you know things like that.
00:48:37.072 --> 00:48:42.963
So coming around was partially e michael jones chandler's list, because that's black and white and not allowed.
00:48:43.083 --> 00:48:47.668
Yeah, I never watched it, but yeah, it was.
00:48:47.668 --> 00:49:25.465
E Michael Jones actually is the one who gotten like awakened me to the Jewish revolutionary spirit and then talking to father Maudsley, father Maudsley like blew my mind reading his book and so, but really just understanding how adversarial christendom is to judaism, like it when, when you have, uh, the messiah comes, and these people reject the messiah, like everything after that is them rejecting our understanding of the god of abraham, isaac and jacob right.
00:49:25.505 --> 00:49:33.262
They reverted their religion for it yeah, like we're saying no, no, the god of isaac, abraham, isaac and jacob the messiah, has gone.
00:49:33.262 --> 00:49:35.289
They're like he's not the messiah, like that.
00:49:35.289 --> 00:49:50.202
There's such an adversarial relationship there that anyone who doesn't see that you just, you just don't get it and you can and with all the post-world war ii propaganda, you can fall into the mindset of just no, no, you can't criticize this at all.
00:49:50.202 --> 00:49:53.471
You can't, but you have to be realistic about things and you have to.
00:49:53.471 --> 00:50:00.030
Joe, I can't wait to call Anthony.
00:50:00.030 --> 00:50:12.706
Yeah, so, but but I also yeah, so right, okay, so we were highlighting Eric Weinstein in that episode, not to highlight.
00:50:12.706 --> 00:50:13.891
Hey, look at what this Jews.
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:35.173
It was more just highlighting it was to highlight the human understanding of hey, there's something about ritual here, right, like there's something deep and inherent, because I've pointed out a bunch of times and people always probably get annoyed with me repeating my phrases but we are not just homo sapiens, we are homo liturgicists, like God literally created us to worship.
00:50:35.173 --> 00:50:37.204
That is what we are.
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We are man who was made to worship.
00:50:39.610 --> 00:50:48.911
So when we change the foundation of Christian civilization the foundation of Christian civilization is the mass.
00:50:48.911 --> 00:50:52.608
It is what transformed the face of the earth throughout history, right?
00:50:52.608 --> 00:50:57.371
So Christ comes, he institutes the Last Supper, and then you have these liturgies popping up.
00:50:57.371 --> 00:51:10.376
So when St Paul is saying hand on the traditions which were given to you, whether through word or mouth or through epistle, the word of mouth stuff he's talking about is liturgy.
00:51:10.376 --> 00:51:14.625
So all the apostles go out and they set up these liturgies.
00:51:14.644 --> 00:51:17.431
Now, these liturgies, it is how we embody the Christian faith.
00:51:17.431 --> 00:51:22.307
It is how you make the Christian faith live in your life.
00:51:22.307 --> 00:51:29.827
So you have this mass goes through time and it organically develops over time.
00:51:29.827 --> 00:51:34.244
It's not the same in the first century as it is in the fourth or fifth, but as it goes on.
00:51:34.244 --> 00:51:40.304
It's not that we're changing it, we're adding little things here and little things there to deepen the mystery.
00:51:40.304 --> 00:51:45.672
You do that up until 1968, 69.
00:51:45.672 --> 00:51:55.811
Then, all of a sudden, we just chuck that thing and we bring something very different in, and to me it is such a pivotal moment in the culture.
00:51:55.811 --> 00:52:00.391
So, to highlight something that Eric Weinstein is saying, it's not like pointing out something that's juice.
00:52:00.391 --> 00:52:11.766
It's pointing out something inherent in humanity that we see Like humans need something deep, mystical, mysterious and transcendent, and I don't think the new mass is transcendent enough.
00:52:11.766 --> 00:52:15.913
It's very human and it's very, you know.
00:52:15.913 --> 00:52:21.311
It's just something that my mind has deeply thought about over the past 10 years specifically.
00:52:22.561 --> 00:52:40.123
Well, and it's interesting because I think in some ways we might come from two different perspectives, because for me, I remember actually the first time I attended the nova sordo, yeah, I, I didn't know what tlm was yeah, yeah, the tlm versus the nova sordo was I.
00:52:40.123 --> 00:52:43.771
I actually had like a very incredible mystical experience.
00:52:43.771 --> 00:52:49.652
Like I, I had a nova sordo yeah oh yeah definitely okay um, it actually was just on.
00:52:49.753 --> 00:52:51.137
It was a campus mass too.
00:52:51.137 --> 00:53:21.467
Like wasn't even like a like official church, it was just the chapel we had and I'm like sitting there and I like started looking up at the ceiling and it's almost like not that I had like an actual vision, but it was like I almost saw like the stars in the sky and understood like that is like christ's body and blood up there, like like there is something my lord and my god yeah, legit, absolutely, oh, my goodness, absolutely like because you know a episcopalian liturgies.
00:53:21.507 --> 00:53:33.735
They had kind of tweaked their liturgy to be almost more like the roman right and so you know, I was familiar with a lot of the prayers and stuff like that, you know the Our Father and you know the Nicene Creed and what have you.
00:53:33.735 --> 00:53:44.135
But there was a difference in significance where it didn't feel like, with Episcopalians doing communion, it's just something you eat because it's a ritual, right.
00:53:44.135 --> 00:53:51.780
It's like, oh OK, this is maybe Christ's body or something I don't really know, this is maybe Christ's body or something I don't really know.
00:53:51.780 --> 00:54:00.467
But with the body and blood of Christ up at the altar, I knew in my heart like that is something holy and that is sacred and that is something that I'm like looking at.
00:54:02.311 --> 00:54:13.670
I'm I'm almost like you know, cause, cause, moses and Aaron, right, they, they make this tent Right and it's like you can't like look in the tent, you can't like just walk up to it, right, because the Ark's in there.
00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:23.139
I'm like looking at the Eucharist and I'm like that's not something I can just walk up and get right, that's not just something I can walk up and receive.
00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:37.090
It's like there's this exclusivity to it that I want to participate in, and I was pissed as a Protestant when I heard I couldn't receive the Eucharist and I remember I was like steaming the first time I went to mass.
00:54:37.090 --> 00:54:39.889
I'm like Catholics don't think I'm Christian or what have you.
00:54:40.539 --> 00:54:42.809
And then I remember actually Father Mike Schmitz.
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:50.188
I watched his video on like why we couldn't receive the Eucharist, and he's like because we want you to feel that hunger.
00:54:50.188 --> 00:54:54.231
We want you to feel that hunger, we want you to be a little angry or like a little desire.
00:54:54.251 --> 00:55:00.871
Yeah, I remember when my wife was going through RCIA she felt that, but it built an appetite, right, like it's what you're doing, you're building it.
00:55:00.871 --> 00:55:02.822
It's like, oh, I long for this thing now.
00:55:03.081 --> 00:55:08.347
Yes, yes, and it's not, and it's not just like in a psychological way like, oh, do the thing.
00:55:08.347 --> 00:55:09.909
Well, screw you, I want to go do it.
00:55:09.909 --> 00:55:19.967
It's like you want to be in part of it and incorporate it into it, and I just was so blown away at the mass from from that standpoint.
00:55:19.967 --> 00:55:25.043
And so you know from there, like I, I actually mostly attend the nova sordo.
00:55:25.043 --> 00:55:29.039
Now, um, not on principle, I'll gladly attend it's convenience probably.
00:55:30.224 --> 00:55:32.150
What'd you say Convenience, I would assume.
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:35.686
Oh yeah, like I don't have a car, so literally my two feet are everywhere.
00:55:35.726 --> 00:55:36.027
I get.
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.286
Yeah, and I just remember.
00:55:38.286 --> 00:55:44.070
I mean, we celebrated mass even recently on the tomb of St John Paul II at Orienta.
00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:45.445
Dude, I don't mean to interrupt you.
00:55:45.445 --> 00:55:49.362
I forgot to ask you this how did your parents react to you becoming Catholic?
00:55:50.943 --> 00:55:51.684
Oh man it.
00:55:51.684 --> 00:56:05.726
It was a little rough at first, and not not out of any disrespect towards them, but I remember my mom, like when I initially told my mom and my dad, my dad was like oh OK, that's cool, like I'm cool with that, and my mom initially was OK.
00:56:05.726 --> 00:56:21.958
But then she came down the next morning into the kitchen and she said don't want you to become catholic because we won't go to heaven together and I, I actually like I I broke down and started to cry um now, were you 100 convinced at this point, though, yes absolutely.
00:56:21.998 --> 00:56:22.300
Oh wow.
00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:27.826
I was like I'm going to become catholic over, like I people.
00:56:27.826 --> 00:56:37.056
People can maybe look at me sometimes and they're like you know, pine sap has all the perfect guy, or he gets too angry, what have you.
00:56:37.056 --> 00:56:39.864
And that's all true, right, I'm not a perfect guy, I'm a sinner, and stuff like that.
00:56:39.864 --> 00:56:49.907
But there is one thing, no matter how bad I mess up or whatever, that I do want to make clear, and it's that I love Jesus with all my heart and I was willing to do anything to become Catholic.
00:56:49.907 --> 00:57:01.269
I was willing to die to become Catholic because the the life that I did not have Christ gave back to me and for the rest of my life, like anything less than following him.
00:57:01.269 --> 00:57:03.708
I I can't fathom or imagine.
00:57:03.708 --> 00:57:04.867
You know what I mean.
00:57:06.097 --> 00:57:06.500
So okay.
00:57:06.500 --> 00:57:18.222
So that was her initial reaction, but I'm assuming they toned down a little bit over time they did and now and I mean they go to mass on vacation and stuff like that- oh, you're, you're, they're, they're.
00:57:18.222 --> 00:57:20.552
Open to it a little bit now yeah, oh, oh.
00:57:20.592 --> 00:57:29.302
They went to, uh, saint augustine's church actually down um, the first catholic church in america down in florida yeah, for mass and they said it was beautiful.
00:57:29.443 --> 00:57:31.690
And then they took me to the savannah cathedral.
00:57:32.152 --> 00:57:33.275
Oh sorry, rob, didn't mean to rep.
00:57:33.295 --> 00:57:37.987
Go ahead, buddy I was just gonna say that's a beautiful parish in saint augustine it is so incredible.
00:57:38.108 --> 00:57:39.811
and then the savannah cathedral too.
00:57:39.811 --> 00:57:56.610
Oh my goodness, like when they told me it was like a great parish, like we went to like a low, uh, a low mass, a low mass, a low nova sordo, just like one day of the week and it was so quiet in there and so meditative, I just was blown away at the beauty.
00:57:56.610 --> 00:57:58.061
I was like this is incredible.
00:57:58.061 --> 00:57:58.943
I love this church.
00:58:00.286 --> 00:58:01.327
Yeah, that's awesome, man.
00:58:01.327 --> 00:58:08.809
Like, even like, whenever I hear there's tension at first, but then the parents are softening out.
00:58:08.809 --> 00:58:09.831
Even Nick Cavazos.
00:58:09.831 --> 00:58:18.849
When we talked with him, nick Cavazos, his parents at first were like you can't do this, and now his parents go to adoration with him.
00:58:18.849 --> 00:58:30.373
It's one of those things Once one person in the family goes, you can't help but bleed that Catholicism into your conversations subtly.
00:58:30.373 --> 00:58:35.326
You don't want to hit them ham-fisted, but you do subtly.
00:58:35.326 --> 00:58:40.251
Just you know you start to slowly give things over to them.
00:58:40.251 --> 00:58:41.826
Yeah, that's pretty.
00:58:41.826 --> 00:58:44.239
I didn't mean to derail you on the other conversation.
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I forgot what we've been talking about, but I had to jump in and ask that.
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That is such a great contribution, Anthony.
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Thank you.
00:58:50.387 --> 00:58:53.465
Well, like it's so true, right?
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I mean, you know my mom has been incredible.
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She'll send me Bible verses, She'll write.
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I remember she like made for my first day at work.
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She like made me lunch because I was back at my house.
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How do they feel about the icons in your room?
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Oh, she loves them, oh okay, honestly, anything like to do with mary or whatever.
00:59:14.824 --> 00:59:16.527
My mom is not anti-mary, she loves mary.
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Okay, good, um, and honestly she, like my dad, my dad and my mom are pretty much willing to believe, I think, everything about mary and even like the sacraments and stuff like that.
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I think it's just that final unity, that kind of that almost like unexplained, like not logical, like just god's got to work in your heart, kind of thing.
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Um, and I think it's difficult because, like my mom you know, my mom, I remember this growing up watched a ton of oprah and, as you know, oprah would let people on her show all the time and stuff like that, who would be like, oh, the catholic church is abusive and and it's horrible and evil, and stuff like that.
00:59:52.701 --> 01:00:10.222
I think my mom, hearing that, thinks or not thinks, but had thought to herself before I converted, like, oh, it's, it's like a shelter for pedophiles or what have you, which you can understand, because if that's the only cultural, you know, uh, influence you're getting, you start to view catholics like you view mormons or something.
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You know what I mean.
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Yeah, yeah, oprah's new age.
01:00:14.291 --> 01:00:16.393
Um, all right, listen, here's what we're gonna do.
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We're gonna keep this at an hour and we're gonna take this over to locals.
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That sounds good.
01:00:20.985 --> 01:00:22.027
I'm gonna tell you what.
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What I saw today.
01:00:23.110 --> 01:00:26.119
I saw pines app stream who yesterday?
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Who maybe it was the day before or something you did a three-hour stream of consciousness on Catholic dating apps and I'll tell you what my initial thought was when I saw that it was three hours.
01:00:36.925 --> 01:00:37.847
That's a bit overwhelming.
01:00:37.847 --> 01:00:40.804
So what we do is we chop our show in half.
01:00:40.804 --> 01:00:47.748
We do an hour here and then the people who actually enjoy our show they come over and they go to locals.
01:00:47.748 --> 01:00:56.284
What we're going to do is Hold on Before we move over.
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I just I have a question to ask about.
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Yeah, of course, what do you mean?
01:00:58.528 --> 01:00:59.590
you've been quiet this whole show.
01:00:59.590 --> 01:01:00.353
What the heck does skibbity mean?
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Oh, this is great.
01:01:01.576 --> 01:01:02.418
I actually don't know.
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To be completely honest, I have no idea I have actually, I've learned what riz is, but I don't know skibbity.
01:01:11.797 --> 01:01:13.923
Well, riz is important, okay, yeah, so I.
01:01:13.943 --> 01:01:15.753
This is what I want to talk about an italian.
01:01:15.813 --> 01:01:32.829
You know, riz, just naturally it's look especially, I see a lot of the younger guys, man, and a lot of them are terminally online and there's something about um, like with the Catholic dating thing.
01:01:32.829 --> 01:01:54.463
I think too many guys are like well, I pray my rosary this many times a day and you know there's a lot of profilicity of holiness right, profilicity, yeah, profilicity of holiness right of um, yeah, profilicity.
01:01:54.463 --> 01:02:02.206
So putting on your profile and trying to, it's almost like virtue signaling publicly on your profile so here is that you're actually using a real word it is a real word.
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Carefully curated profilicity, something kale zeldin taught me.
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I'm not gonna claim I thought of this one on my own, Carefully curating profilicity.
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So there's a lot of hey, I'm doing all the holy things, where's my chick?
01:02:16.447 --> 01:02:20.963
No profilicity, Just look at it like that.
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Profilicity, there's a lot of I'm doing all the holy things.
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Where's my chick?
01:02:26.282 --> 01:02:28.521
Where I do think a lot of it is about Riz yes.
01:02:28.541 --> 01:02:32.106
Where's my chick, where I do think a lot of it is about Riz.
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Um, yes, yeah, a little bit Right and in my uh, all right, we'll do this on locals, uh, okay, we're going to move to locals.
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Yeah, we're going to go to locals because I, I will.
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:51.152
I will share some stories on locals of just just just learning how to have that riz a little bit, but we'll do that.
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I think because we have so many new people, you know we'll do it for you tonight.
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Let's do it free, so it's not behind a paywall guys.
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So anybody that wants to watch is not behind a paywall, but you got to at least subscribe.
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You won't be able to chat.
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Yeah, you won't be able to comment, but you will be able to watch for free.
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We'll also leave it on Twitter.
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You guys can finish the conversation there.
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Frankie Jimmy.
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Joey Eddie, they're all coming to see you.
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All right, guys, we're going to jump over to the other side.
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We're going to end the YouTube stream so people don't get overwhelmed seeing more than an hour on there.
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All right, take us.
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Oh man, this is the.
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This is is the free side.
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Now, okay, where can we go with this?
01:04:53.878 --> 01:04:55.001
We'll do, okay.
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I want to understand the Groiper thing first while we're over here.
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So what is the frog?
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Oh, so it comes.
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So the O-G-O-G frog is Pepe.
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Pepe would just get used a lot on 4chan in general and he became kind of a character.
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So wait, that didn't originate with Fuentes, though.
01:05:14.163 --> 01:05:16.746
That was actually the 4chan Pepe.
01:05:17.561 --> 01:05:23.289
Well, the 4chan, pepe is like the grandfather of all those frog emojis.
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So there's another one called Apu, which is like a cuter looking version of Pepe it's like a little froglet or something and there's a bunch of others.
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But Graper was just this character.
01:05:37.967 --> 01:05:45.045
That was like a spinoff Pepe, but he did like this and and like, sat like in this you know position and what have you.
01:05:45.045 --> 01:05:52.512
And from there Nick quickly adopted is sort of a identity for America first.
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It was like people weren't just using Pepe emojis.
01:05:54.668 --> 01:05:56.367
It's like they were Groypers.
01:05:56.367 --> 01:06:03.572
They were, you know, these Groypers who are supporting all these right wing policies.
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They're Catholic, they're America first and that was kind of the identity for him.
01:06:07.646 --> 01:06:10.289
There were non AF Groypers, that's what I was.
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Yeah, that's what I was wondering, so okay, when did the groiper come from?
01:06:15.469 --> 01:06:19.764
oh, it was just the character's name okay, and you guys adopted it.
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When do you first come across fuentes?
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I.
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So I remember, uh, being a part of turning point usa, my freshman year of college, and we had Will Witt come speak at my university.
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And when we had Will Witt come speak, there was a very tall guy who looked like Patrick Bateman right there and he had like a GoPro camera and I remember he was trying to see if he could like trip up Will Witt right, but there wasn't really anything content worthy so he didn't wind up posting any footage or what have you.
01:06:51.666 --> 01:07:00.820
But he asked him about israel and like the role that israel plays in american politics, I'm like huh that's kind of like that's kind of interesting, that's kind of
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.074
unique and I go up to him after and I start talking to him.
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He's talking about putting america first.
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Like how, like turning point, usa is just a like toothless organization and stuff like that.
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It has like no role in politics.
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And I was already kind of starting to feel that way because I actually was reading Catholics that were like inspiring me to be more like honestly, far right.
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Like Joseph DeMast, like I love Joseph DeMast.
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He was huge in my conversion and I would read all the things he said about.
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He's like no, like government has to be founded on god.
01:07:32.389 --> 01:07:33.972
Like there can't be any secular.
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Yeah, of course, and it's like turning point in usa.
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I remember the first meeting I went in there.
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There was a girl who was like you can't legislate morality, but what are you talking about?
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Like like our whole lives are moral lives, right?
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So instantly I gel with this guy for for those same sort of frustrations I have with tp usa, and he just mentioned to me he's like have you ever heard of nick fuentes?
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I'm like, no, who's that?
01:07:59.423 --> 01:08:02.170
And he's like he's this america first patriot.
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He's a devout catholic.
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Like you should check him out, man.
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What year was this?
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Uh, this would be at 2019 actually okay, yeah, yeah, so fall 2019 nick's like.
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Nick's like 19 also.
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He's your age, right?
01:08:14.322 --> 01:08:20.306
he's like two, two years older than you, or something oh, nick fuentes, yeah, he's young, yeah, he he's uh 25.
01:08:20.306 --> 01:08:22.654
Yeah, yeah, he's.
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He's a young dude, he's got that youthful energy.
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And I remember I I look up nick and at first it hits me like like a wall of bricks right, like a train full of bricks.
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I'm like, whoa, this guy is like radical, he's saying some crazy stuff.
01:08:38.225 --> 01:08:40.328
Man, like I don't know if I can follow with this.
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And I remember I text my dad about Nick and he's like well, listen, you know, sebastian Gorka said that he's a disgusting anti-Semite Like and I liked Sebastian at the time said uh, that he's a disgusting anti-semite like that's exactly what he said and I I liked sebastian at the time so I was like, oh okay, I guess I won't like listen to him.
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But as time went on like I was still listening to some of the political streamers that I would watch all the time like political juice, who was like a classical liberal and just wasn't doing the same thing for me anymore I'm like and like, yeah, I get it, we should all be civil or whatever, but I'm like there's some real problems in this country that like need god at the center of it well, it's not just that.
01:09:19.237 --> 01:09:20.000
What, what, what?
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:29.181
Um, first of my introduction to nick is strange because it's through anthony cumia, so I'm a long island guy now.
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Anthony cumia was, uh, the co-host of the Opie and Anthony show and then he starts his own network.
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Now, out of Anthony Cumia's network you get Gavin McInnes, michael Malice, dave Smith.
01:09:41.060 --> 01:09:45.131
You get like all these big names start on Anthony Cumia's network.
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Like my first time seeing Gavin McInnes was on Anthony Cumia's network.
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So like that's how I get introduced to Fuentes then.
01:09:53.650 --> 01:09:57.335
But it's, it's more like small clips of Nick.
01:09:57.335 --> 01:10:03.430
You know, like like Anthony had them on, and then I would just catch hilarious clips of Nick.
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There was this one clip where he's like he's like he's like you're going to have blacks coming into your country, and I'm not just talking about your Harlem blacks, I'm talking your African spear chucking blacks.
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I was like, is this dude serious right now?
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Like I hurt when he was saying it.
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It was like clips where he's hilarious right, clips where he's hilarious right.
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But my only issue is so like I, I completely agree on this weird conglomeration where we used to have, uh, christendom, where it was church and state.
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You had the secular and the religious and the church and the and and the empire worked in tandem together and what we have now is this unification of synagogue and state, and it's a very scary thing, like you have, like 40% of the Biden cabinet is made up of Jews and it's like.
01:10:57.372 --> 01:10:59.884
So I understand that.
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What I, what I think we have to avoid, is falling into the leftist trope of blaming any particular group of people for everything right and seeing, uh, you know, a jew behind every single thing, and I think that's that's the only hesitancy I have with that whole thing, but I don't necessarily disagree with anything he's saying, you know well, you've probably heard this phrase used on twitter or just in the online sphere, but but have you ever heard the term?
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every single time?
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Yeah, the noticing.
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Yeah, the noticing.
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I mean, ultimately, dr John Rao has a very beautiful piece in Black Legends and the Light of the World that I really love, where he's like whether it's the Freemasons or whether it's the Jews, he's like those groups are responsible in doing a lot of evil, but you have to remember the ultimate evil comes from the devil.
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Responsible in doing a lot of evil, but you have to remember the ultimate evil comes from the devil.
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And that's what Nick says too.
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That's, that's our, our position, because no man, you know, no man made in the image and likeness of God is truly made to be evil.
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Right, jews aren't made to be evil.
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Jews are beloved children of God, just like just like white people, just like black people, just like Asian people.
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We're all beloved children of God and their participation in a lot of these evil things isn't because it's in their nature to do so.
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It's because they've unfortunately been a part of this religion that has culturally instilled them with this hatred of Christianity, this animosity towards Christianity.
01:12:25.225 --> 01:12:35.092
But when you see a Jew accept Christ into his heart and become Catholic, I mean my goodness, they've been some of the best saints we have ever had in the life of the church.
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I'm thinking of Marie Alphonse Ratsbone, venerable Francis Lieberman.
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It's almost like they're actually coming home.
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Legit.
01:12:42.155 --> 01:12:51.975
Oh my goodness, they're actually coming home and seeing like the actual fulfillment of what they were know, the old decimate fulfilled in the new.
01:12:51.975 --> 01:12:57.730
So yeah, it's, it's, um, it's, I understand, it's a.
01:12:57.730 --> 01:13:07.724
It's a touchy subject, right, because anybody who associates themselves with nick all of a sudden gets this freaking target on them and it's shit, dude.
01:13:07.724 --> 01:13:11.881
He's got a way of generating controversy, man, but I think he's hilarious.
01:13:11.961 --> 01:13:27.783
I don't know, he's so funny I remember when I was in west palm beach this past summer and, um, he's up on stage and he, he's giving this spiel and he's like you know, but you shouldn't try to red pill your parents, right?
01:13:27.783 --> 01:13:36.323
You shouldn't try to red pill your parents, because it's like I remember coming home one day after school and and I said mom, you'll never guess what didn't happen.
01:13:36.342 --> 01:13:47.527
Yeah, and I like I heard that and I just started to like lose it in the audience does the, does the integralism movement come from him?
01:13:48.189 --> 01:13:50.192
no, what is that?
01:13:50.252 --> 01:13:52.074
what is integralism come from?
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oh well, integral, honestly integral, sorry it's a tricky word integralism integralism, uh, is actually really just the catholic philosophy.
01:14:04.626 --> 01:14:06.972
It's really just the catholic political philosophy.
01:14:06.972 --> 01:14:14.746
Um, yeah, you even have father felix sardani in Liberalism is a Sin writing about how he's an integralist.
01:14:14.746 --> 01:14:15.065
Right.
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And what Nick has done, I think, is made it workable in the political arena, because before he had a lot of very well-intentioned people who were trying to make it workable, and with some moderate success.
01:14:29.148 --> 01:14:32.515
You know, I think of like Brent Basel, for instance, like fighting abortion.
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Like he, he was moderately successful, but all those men kind of got choked out from the larger neoconservative establishment.
01:14:41.913 --> 01:14:42.134
Right.
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Like Brent Basel, for instance, was the brother-in-law of William F Buckley and Buckley basically threw him under the bus and he's like you're not going to have any place.
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You think the founding is evil because it's Protestant, masonic, you're too Catholic, you're alienating to my donors, right, and you don't have any place in this movement.
01:15:01.712 --> 01:15:08.265
And the same thing happened with Pat Buchanan, the same thing happened with Samuel T Francis, the same thing happened with Joseph Sobrin.
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And you see this theme that all these guys are faithful Catholics Joseph Sobrin, super devout Catholic.
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Pat Buchanan, super devout.
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Samuel T Francis, converted on his deathbed with actually Father Scalia giving him last rights.
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And all these faithful Catholics get I'll just bluntly say it thrown out of the neoconservative or not the neoconservative or not the neoconservative movement, but the larger conservative establishment.
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Because you know, buckley and his shabbos goys basically said we choose our, we choose Jews over you.
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Yeah Right.
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My okay.
01:15:43.310 --> 01:15:53.809
So I was dabbling in libertarianism a little bit because I'm so disgusted with politics at this point, like I wish Trump was the villain they make him out to be.
01:15:53.809 --> 01:15:54.692
But he's just not.
01:15:54.692 --> 01:15:57.208
He's just not like, he's just not that guy.
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He's actually he kind of sucks, and I'm so I'm.
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I mean, I'm looking today at this fricking, this new chick that everybody's propping up Like she's something special, and today she pops up in a bikini and she's promoting ultra light, ultra right beer and I'm just like I'm so disgusted with conservatism, so disgusted.
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:23.596
I almost respect Democrats more because at least they say what they are.
01:16:23.596 --> 01:16:32.527
Where conservatives are hiding behind this facade of concern, what are you concerned If you're not conserving Christian values?
01:16:32.527 --> 01:16:39.327
What are you conserving, like, if you're not trying to bring us back to a Christian moral ethic?
01:16:39.327 --> 01:16:39.807
What do you think?
01:16:39.807 --> 01:16:41.533
Every one of them folded on gay marriage.
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Every one of them fold, folded, like in five years you'll see Republicans, they're, they're conserving their portfolios is what they're conserving.
01:16:52.020 --> 01:16:54.460
You're 100% right and it's just.
01:16:54.460 --> 01:17:02.747
I'm just disgusted with all of it to the point where I think I've finally come around to say, okay, libertarianism doesn't work either, because it just leads to degeneracy.
01:17:02.747 --> 01:17:04.943
I really think we just have to get back to monarchy.
01:17:04.943 --> 01:17:19.592
Monarchy, like I just don't see any other way, because the the thing is, if you have one man responsible for everything, you can hold that one man to account, absolutely, you know, and it's.
01:17:19.592 --> 01:17:24.448
It's at a point where, um, I don't see any.
01:17:24.448 --> 01:17:26.792
I I just think everything needs to come down.
01:17:26.792 --> 01:17:44.328
That's why I see, even the stuff in the church has to kind of come down, because it's so corrupt in the hierarchical level of our church and it's so corrupt at the political level of our nation that almost you need it all to come down in order for something new to come out.
01:17:44.328 --> 01:17:56.090
And you need a new Christendom to appear and you need a new form of government where that Christendom is united back with the political sphere again, like it was before the Protestant Reformation revolution.
01:17:57.940 --> 01:17:58.502
Absolutely.
01:17:58.502 --> 01:17:59.707
I think there's.
01:17:59.707 --> 01:18:09.173
I think really, what has to be identified is there are some real steps that we have to take to sort of get to that monarchy, cause I always say, like you know, you can't have the Tradcath monarchy without there being a sort of get to that monarchy.
01:18:09.173 --> 01:18:11.060
Because I always say, like you know, you can't have the trad?
01:18:11.060 --> 01:18:25.439
Cath monarchy without there being a sort of level of like real politic to it, right like there are certain um moves that you have to make regarding sort of just the reality of the situation.
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:52.887
But, that being said, you still have that idealism of what you want to get to and I think I mean I'll be blunt I think really what the West needs is sort of a dictatorial autocratic like Caesar figure who is illiberal, overthrows the liberal establishment and then gets us to a place where we we have the seedbed, we have the fertile soil to get something like a monarchy.
01:18:53.189 --> 01:18:55.945
You know what I mean yeah, I said yes.
01:18:55.945 --> 01:19:00.112
I mean that was the goal of Franco and Mussolini, and absolutely.
01:19:02.101 --> 01:19:08.851
So in Rob you nailed it on the head and the sad thing is like Mussolini just got cut short and stuff like that.
01:19:08.851 --> 01:19:11.172
I remember that one prophecy that Jesus gave that one mystic who tried to tell mussolini just got cut short and stuff like that.
01:19:11.172 --> 01:19:15.472
I remember that one prophecy that jesus gave that one mystic who tried to tell mussolini like don't ally with hitler.
01:19:15.472 --> 01:19:26.100
That's like jesus will take his divine hand away from italy and you know what happened right there was a mystic that told him that, yeah, legit, she actually was trying to contact him and he wouldn't listen.
01:19:27.363 --> 01:19:29.728
It's a really cool prophecy I actually want to see.
01:19:29.728 --> 01:19:34.605
It might actually be in the our sunday visitor, saint padre pio biography.
01:19:34.605 --> 01:19:36.311
Let me see if I can rip that for you guys.
01:19:36.311 --> 01:19:37.301
I would love to share that.
01:19:37.301 --> 01:19:44.863
But that's interesting that that happened and of course, I think mussolini's in heaven, based on what saint padre pio said and blessed.
01:19:44.863 --> 01:19:55.349
Uh, eugene carboni, I think was her name, but you know that was after repenting of his great, grand misstep and, like Franco, such a holy man.
01:19:55.349 --> 01:20:05.453
He was such a devout, great Catholic man and really the only reason why his regime collapsed is because the Alfonso line sucks.
01:20:05.453 --> 01:20:12.769
They're super liberal, super bought in the modern world and he just didn't have really anyone to hand on his power to.
01:20:13.451 --> 01:20:23.128
Yeah, part of me thinks like, as scary as it is that all of this, it's what seems like paganism popping back up.
01:20:23.128 --> 01:20:28.911
It's easier to convert pagans than it is to convert secularists.
01:20:28.911 --> 01:20:34.359
Right and Joe Boca said that to me recently it's just easier.
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:45.155
So what I see happening is, especially with younger guys like you, they're seeing a collapse in meaning of their lives.
01:20:45.780 --> 01:21:16.863
So for generations, especially since World War II, you had this American dream, and the American dream was you get a house in the suburbs, you raise your family, you get a job working nine to five, you come home, you have your barbecue in your backyard, and that dream seems to not be available to the next generation because of how insane the economy is, to the next generation, because of how insane the economy is.
01:21:16.863 --> 01:21:26.445
And they're also blackpilled on marriage because women are so destroyed by feminism at this point and that's what's causing a lot of them to turn to find meaning in the church again.
01:21:26.445 --> 01:21:39.465
Now you're also seeing this LGBT movement pop up and you're seeing a lot of religious imagery pop up in that movement and you're seeing a lot of satanic things mutilating children.
01:21:39.465 --> 01:21:42.176
You're seeing abortion in ways that we've never seen.
01:21:42.176 --> 01:21:51.193
You know, up to nine months, but I think those things need to happen in order for a culture to recognize we need god again, you know.
01:21:51.193 --> 01:21:53.704
So, as scary as that thing is, it's, it's.
01:21:54.226 --> 01:22:08.188
I'm kind of white pilled on it because I see hope beyond that horizon I really it's one of those things where you know people always say, when you go in idaho, they burn the crops right to replant new crops.
01:22:08.188 --> 01:22:10.274
Um, they, they will burn the crops right To replant new crops.
01:22:10.274 --> 01:22:17.372
Um, they, they will burn the field that they had and they just took all the potatoes out of and you'll see them burn these.
01:22:17.372 --> 01:22:27.551
You know just wide swaths of land and it kind of looks horrible, it looks like apocalyptic almost, but after that they plant beautiful new fields and new life springs from it.
01:22:27.551 --> 01:22:30.208
And I think it's exactly as you're saying, anthony.
01:22:30.248 --> 01:22:31.943
It's the same thing with our society.
01:22:31.943 --> 01:22:50.560
It's like the fruits of the sexual revolution have just damaged this generation beyond beyond repair not literally, because jesus christ can fix anything, but beyond repair in such a way where, like, people are coming to logical conclusion, where, like, oh, unbridled hedonism actually makes me like super depressed.
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:51.682
I shouldn't do it right.
01:22:51.682 --> 01:23:17.079
And I think we're at the point where it's like it's getting to such an omega point that people just instinctively and they're in there like the bit of god that they have left in their heart are like, no, this is wrong, like this is disgusting, like I mean we've already seen, like I've been really happy to see the pushback on the homosexuality stuff right because for a while.
01:23:17.140 --> 01:23:23.322
Your generation is the first generation to actually start turning on it and saying I don't you know where.
01:23:23.322 --> 01:23:27.872
Every generation before so you went from the boomers to jet x to millennials.
01:23:27.872 --> 01:23:30.182
All of us were like more and more accepting of it.
01:23:30.182 --> 01:23:39.229
This is the first generation that actually is saying chill out, this is gross yeah, well, and it's like everything that they tried to tell us.
01:23:39.328 --> 01:23:52.765
I was reading an article from john finnis the other day in like the 80s, right, and great catholic philosopher, and he's talking about like all the problems with like making gay marriage legal right, like all the things it's going to lead to.
01:23:52.765 --> 01:23:59.471
And you know, what did people in like the 90s or 80s say, ah, that's ridiculous, that you know, just let those two dudes do what they want.
01:23:59.471 --> 01:24:04.025
And now it's like, oh, they're literally molesting kids.
01:24:04.025 --> 01:24:06.047
I mean they're, they're literally like matt.
01:24:06.087 --> 01:24:20.289
Matt Walsh's biggest fail on Rogan was when they discussed gay marriage, because I think Walsh was caught off guard and he didn't know, you know.
01:24:20.289 --> 01:24:23.534
And Joe just kept saying well, what's wrong?
01:24:23.534 --> 01:24:24.886
You know how are they bothering you?
01:24:24.886 --> 01:24:26.340
Just let those two people get married.
01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:47.422
And Walsh should have taken the natural law angle and he should have said well, joe, like, especially a guy like you, you go to the gym, like you see what can happen when you abuse your body, right, so you take care of your body and you make sure you eat the proper foods and you go to the gym and you do all these things because you know somebody that abuses food can end up 400 pounds.
01:24:47.422 --> 01:24:49.970
Well, the anus is not a sex organ.
01:24:49.970 --> 01:24:52.363
Right, like he should have went the natural law route.
01:24:52.722 --> 01:25:02.775
So like, um, there was a uh, that Protestant kid Danny was saying um, you can't find anywhere in scripture that masturbation is wrong.
01:25:02.775 --> 01:25:07.306
If you're thinking about your wife, right, like this is actually what he said.
01:25:07.306 --> 01:25:07.546
He goes.
01:25:07.546 --> 01:25:08.368
Well, you could.
01:25:08.368 --> 01:25:11.694
You could say, lusting after another woman in your heart is a sin.
01:25:11.694 --> 01:25:20.466
So if you're looking at pornography, it's wrong, but if you're thinking about your wife, you can't find a single place in scripture that says it's wrong.
01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:24.645
Notice how almost similar that is to like Prager.
01:25:24.645 --> 01:25:29.248
Yeah, you know, in a way it's not quite as bad.
01:25:29.309 --> 01:25:30.859
But it's pretty close.
01:25:30.859 --> 01:25:39.485
Well, when you get into the Reformation I know everybody gets mad when I say that, but the Revolution, when you get into it, you see how many Jews were actually wrong to allow.
01:25:39.485 --> 01:26:02.220
You know, things that are outside of marriage Like this, this absolute absence of natural law and Protestant theology just completely collapses.
01:26:02.220 --> 01:26:08.432
And I think, as Catholics, we we have this foundation that we can bring up at any time.
01:26:08.432 --> 01:26:11.627
You know I forgot what got me onto that.
01:26:11.627 --> 01:26:18.632
Oh, yeah, you, you were talking about how, even in the eighties, that you know he was telling you all of that.
01:26:18.632 --> 01:26:25.360
Yeah, if you once, you, once you let the cat out of the, out of the, out of the bag, it's, it's just going to turn into bedlam, it's just.
01:26:25.360 --> 01:26:26.965
There's no holds barred.
01:26:26.965 --> 01:26:29.470
And now we're talking about cutting off children's genitalia.
01:26:29.470 --> 01:26:31.395
It's just, it's completely insane.
01:26:31.456 --> 01:26:48.265
Our culture, it's so insane, like I mean I remember, you know, early high school I used to listen to Marilyn Manson and I would you know I'd watch his old interviews right With, like the nineties moms being like, if we listen to this music, like this is what all these kids are going to do, right, kids are going to do Right, and you know he'd always be on there.
01:26:48.265 --> 01:26:50.890
He's like it's ridiculous, like music doesn't do that to people.
01:26:51.251 --> 01:26:53.534
And then it's like it absolutely does.
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:57.826
And it's like now you're living in 2018, 2016, 2017.
01:26:57.826 --> 01:26:58.239
Yeah, it's propaganda.
01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:58.935
Music is propaganda.
01:26:58.935 --> 01:27:00.777
So is that like propaganda isn't always bad either?
01:27:00.777 --> 01:27:01.000
Right?
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.304
So like the church would have a minister of propaganda because it was important to make sure.
01:27:05.304 --> 01:27:21.520
Look, if we don't change the problem, part of what we're doing here is propaganda and we're actually trying to be a little bit on the more like we're not trying to be the uptight, stiff Catholic guys.
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:28.461
Right, we're kind of just being like normal dudes, hoping younger guys see our show because you want to attract a young audience T-shirts.
01:27:28.371 --> 01:27:29.628
I mean, come on, because you want to attract the younger audience, you wear graphic t-shirts.
01:27:29.538 --> 01:27:36.399
I mean, come on, we're not the guys in the tweed suits and stuff like that.
01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:38.448
Which is why we'll never get on that round table.
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:40.889
I'll never be at that round table, but I'm okay with that.
01:27:40.889 --> 01:27:48.768
But part of what we're doing is trying to just be more relatable so that the younger guys that do come across it.
01:27:48.768 --> 01:27:54.577
And we've gotten a ton of messages of guys who, uh, you know we've helped them along their journey.
01:27:54.577 --> 01:27:56.301
There's nothing better than messages like that.
01:27:56.301 --> 01:27:59.530
Like I saw somebody posted earlier, pine sap literally saved my life.
01:27:59.530 --> 01:28:03.694
Like they must have come across one of your videos about catechesis and things like that.
01:28:03.694 --> 01:28:04.136
Like that's the.
01:28:04.136 --> 01:28:17.217
That's the rewarding part of what we're doing, right, um, but the, the, the black pill on chicks is what scares me, because I see so many young guys good thing we don't contribute to that with our videos at all.
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:21.805
Well, but I think we are.
01:28:21.805 --> 01:28:31.676
Look, you have to recognize how, how bad it is out there and then look okay.
01:28:31.676 --> 01:28:40.386
So there, there are exceptions to the rule, where what I'm about to say, like Rob, is actually an exception to the rule and it has to do with his wife having a deep conversion and stuff.
01:28:40.386 --> 01:28:55.737
But I would say for you, younger guys typically try to find a girl who had it's so important that she had an intact family, has a good relationship with her father, like if you have that alone, it's a foundation to build on.
01:28:55.737 --> 01:29:11.842
Now she's still gonna have feminism dripping through her veins, because it's just the air we breathe these days, but at least if she sees, if she has a you know, a father who provided for her family and the mother stayed home, like you're already at an advantage, like you cannot even imagine.
01:29:11.842 --> 01:29:13.345
So your your show.
01:29:13.365 --> 01:29:16.240
The other day you were talking about the Catholic dating apps and stuff.
01:29:16.240 --> 01:29:17.663
Like what kind of stuff are you seeing?
01:29:17.663 --> 01:29:35.414
Because I tweeted recently, because I talked to younger guys and Joshua Charles pointed out that the church fathers were talking about makeup and women should avoid makeup at all costs and I I actually like when my wife gets done up and, you know puts makeup on and she looks pretty and stuff.
01:29:35.414 --> 01:29:42.225
I don't ever allow my wife to post selfies anywhere, I don't ever allow anything like that, but I like when she gets pretty.
01:29:42.225 --> 01:29:53.649
For me and I know a lot of younger track guys who are like dude, like some some Catholic girls take the modesty stuff so seriously that they make themselves unattractive on purpose, almost right.
01:29:53.649 --> 01:29:57.382
So it could be a very pretty girl and she's almost wearing a hijab because she doesn't.
01:29:57.382 --> 01:30:01.671
You know, she's like what isn't it called a hijab?
01:30:03.073 --> 01:30:06.126
the muslim garb never really heard it pronounced quite like that.
01:30:06.126 --> 01:30:07.127
I guess how would you?
01:30:07.127 --> 01:30:10.837
Pronounce it a job, a job he job.
01:30:10.856 --> 01:30:14.243
What do you want me to tell you, you?
01:30:14.283 --> 01:30:15.926
sounded like you were from texas.
01:30:15.926 --> 01:30:18.110
All of a sudden.
01:30:18.110 --> 01:30:18.931
Look at you on that.
01:30:18.952 --> 01:30:25.243
He job over there I was gonna say like a he job is like a man's job anthony.
01:30:25.543 --> 01:30:27.587
Anthony works a he job every day.
01:30:27.608 --> 01:30:29.351
All right, right, but he's going to piss off.
01:30:29.351 --> 01:30:33.479
You know what I meant A hijab, okay, so, yeah.
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:37.011
So what's the dating landscape like on these Catholic apps?
01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:54.350
So you know, I mean, as I said in the video I've used, Catholic Match before, just kind of suffers from the same issues that you see in like all of the all other spheres of the sort of like internalized feminism.
01:30:54.350 --> 01:31:08.507
You're, you're kind of supposed to like uncritically accept these women, like these women literally will have like three kids from three other baby daddies and they're like you know well, hey, you have to be my oh you're talking about the reformed.
01:31:08.528 --> 01:31:10.069
Hoe, yeah, legit.
01:31:10.130 --> 01:31:30.614
I mean, this is gonna sound harsh but I'm just gonna say it, like my friend ryan was once sitting with me in the car and he and he was telling me about his experience on catholic dating and the personality for this specific type of woman he was starting to map out very, very well, and it's always the same account.
01:31:30.614 --> 01:31:35.667
I was away from the faith for a while but then I returned to it later on.
01:31:35.667 --> 01:31:45.195
She's like 24 23, so that's code for I basically have more bodies than a war zone throughout college.
01:31:45.195 --> 01:31:46.779
And now I realize I'm hidden.
01:31:46.779 --> 01:31:50.027
I'm close to hitting the wall and I want to get serious.
01:31:50.768 --> 01:32:10.664
And she'll always and what I'm about to say this is not against St Mary Magdalene or St Mary of Egypt, this is not disrespectful towards them at all but they'll always like identify themselves with those saints, like like I'm reformed and I'm different and I'm I'm this and I'm not, and it's like that's good if that's actually the case.
01:32:10.664 --> 01:32:35.226
But in this case it's kind of like an identification where they're wanting to sort of take the guys who didn't sleep around and were chased and did take care of themselves, and they're like, well, because I've reformed, we're a religion about forgiveness, so you need to forgive me and just uncritically date me and it's like, with all due respect, I'm a virgin, you know.
01:32:35.226 --> 01:32:37.548
I mean, look, I've had my own problems with that stuff.
01:32:37.548 --> 01:32:39.229
I'm not going to lie, I've taken L's before.
01:32:39.310 --> 01:32:50.798
But you know, I am a virgin and I don't think it's fair for a girl who has a high body count to come along and say no, you need to accept me and you need to go out with me, you need to do this.
01:32:50.798 --> 01:32:52.886
And it's that internalized feminism.
01:32:52.886 --> 01:32:55.565
It's like I'm owed this, I'm doing this.
01:32:55.565 --> 01:32:57.591
It's like, but are you really?
01:32:57.591 --> 01:32:58.253
You know what I mean?
01:32:59.076 --> 01:32:59.337
Okay.
01:32:59.337 --> 01:33:09.414
So I think there is a place for those chicks with the guys who were away from the faith and had a sordid past.
01:33:09.659 --> 01:33:19.555
Like, I do think if you lived like that, you need to understand that there are, you know, other people fell for that stuff too.
01:33:19.555 --> 01:33:29.109
So if you're a 25 year old guy who just had a reversion and you were a playboy and you messed around, and now this chick I mean kids is a rough one.
01:33:29.109 --> 01:33:35.233
I mean, if a girl's got kids, you're taking on a whole new level of responsibility and I understand that.
01:33:35.233 --> 01:33:40.632
But I think if a girl made a mistake or two and then had a reversion, that's a little bit different.
01:33:40.632 --> 01:33:51.386
I think that I think I'll, man, I don't envy you guys the dating app thing.
01:33:51.405 --> 01:33:54.838
Man, it really is difficult, right, because where do you meet a chick?
01:33:54.838 --> 01:34:02.059
You don't want to go to a bar and meet a chick, because you're going to meet A bar chick, and that's an issue.
01:34:02.059 --> 01:34:06.130
And then it's hard to meet a chick in church, because you don't know it's hard to meet a chick in church because you don't know.
01:34:06.130 --> 01:34:08.271
It's hard to even have a conversation.
01:34:08.271 --> 01:34:10.876
A lot of you know to even start a conversation, I guess.
01:34:10.876 --> 01:34:20.301
So you really are resorting to these apps and I I have to imagine the dating pool isn't very big on these apps either, right?
01:34:20.702 --> 01:34:26.286
no, not at all it's not a very big dating pool and it it's just awkward.
01:34:26.286 --> 01:34:33.051
It feels very artificial because your window shop, your window shopping, essentially Right, and so there's no like authentic connection.
01:34:33.051 --> 01:34:37.453
And you know, the stream was three hours, so I didn't expect you to get to this part.
01:34:37.453 --> 01:34:57.301
But what I, what I told guys, the secret panache or cheat code for our generation, is, honestly, if you want to meet a good catholic woman, it really is like the young adults groups and it's like the young adults groups for the diocese, because those people, the reason it's the young adults group, it can even be the young adults group at your parish too.
01:34:57.301 --> 01:34:58.945
Those groups are really good as well.
01:34:58.945 --> 01:35:06.195
But those women who go to those events and go to those events or I said that twice go to those events, go to those events and go to those events, or I said that twice, go to those events.
01:35:06.216 --> 01:35:06.578
Go to those events.
01:35:06.578 --> 01:35:07.180
Anthony does it all the time.
01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:16.795
Yeah, those women who go to those gatherings and hang out and participate, they're intent on being Catholic and living a Catholic life.
01:35:16.795 --> 01:35:23.132
And women who don't care about living a Catholic life, they're not hanging out at any of the young adult stuff.
01:35:23.132 --> 01:35:30.711
It is a conscious decision that those women made to be there, and so it's very reflective in how you interact with them.
01:35:30.711 --> 01:35:40.340
And I, you know, I'll be honest, like I've been healed a little bit from my black pilling about this generation just from interacting with some of those women.
01:35:40.340 --> 01:35:47.782
Like I didn't realize that like you could interact with a woman and she's not talking about overbearing, you know.
01:35:47.782 --> 01:35:53.350
Oh, my goodness, I got so wasted on the weekend and then after that I crashed at a random guy's house.
01:35:54.860 --> 01:35:56.025
That's really good advice.
01:35:56.025 --> 01:35:58.582
Go to a young adult group, right, like so we were.
01:35:58.582 --> 01:36:15.337
I was talking to somebody who was like on the more trad side and I said look, you might be better off going to a place like Steubenville for that Friday Steubenville party that they have, right, scooping a chick up there and then trying to lead her, you know, because a woman's going to follow your lead.
01:36:15.337 --> 01:36:21.671
So you find a chick who already has the Catholic faith and if you want to lead her a little more to tradition, you go and meet a little bit of more of a normie chick.
01:36:21.671 --> 01:36:30.975
Sometimes the chicks that are really trad are a handful like sometimes those chicks are they know, they know aquinas better than you.
01:36:30.996 --> 01:36:32.077
It's not gonna work.
01:36:32.117 --> 01:36:39.609
Yeah, that's and that's the other thing, like I've said, right, it's like do you really want to um, I told nick cabazos this.
01:36:39.609 --> 01:36:46.538
I'm like do you really want to, like go home and discuss aquinas with your girl, like that's your job, that's what you're doing?
01:36:46.538 --> 01:36:48.605
You're like you're that's your thesis that you're making.
01:36:48.605 --> 01:36:52.880
Like, when you go home, you kind of want to talk about home life and you know things like that.
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:55.006
I've never once talked about accounting with my wife.
01:36:55.006 --> 01:36:57.332
No you don't want to right Like.
01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:06.641
I don't want to the world with my wife.
01:37:06.641 --> 01:37:08.546
When I talk to my wife, she's like talking to me about like what she's garden.
01:37:08.546 --> 01:37:12.144
My wife she's freaking awesome with some of the stuff she does in our backyard.
01:37:12.144 --> 01:37:17.426
I'll come home and she takes me on a tour of the tomato plants she planted and then she put this plant.
01:37:17.426 --> 01:37:19.411
It's like that's what I want to talk to my chick about.
01:37:19.411 --> 01:37:25.030
I don't want to talk to her about the nonsense in the world well, and and there was this video.
01:37:25.492 --> 01:37:29.780
Um, I still, to this day, am so sad I got taken down.
01:37:29.801 --> 01:38:10.529
But but there was this gentleman who used to make these incredible conservative videos and actually it was huge in bringing me a lot further on the right, um, just with the ways he would like criticize like ben shapiro and and that sort of thing, and he made this absolute piece of art where it was a GK Chesterton writing about feminism and he in that moment had this distinct quote I'll never forget it, where he said like the real way for male and female relationships to heal is to go back to that promise in the garden of one man and one woman united in this bond of love.
01:38:11.752 --> 01:38:17.331
And it really like cuts my heart to hear that, because it's like we're made for each other.
01:38:17.331 --> 01:38:19.140
Right, we really are made for each other.
01:38:19.140 --> 01:38:33.729
And and I feel like this age does such a disservice in pitting each other against one another and saying your girl is always gonna go cheat on you and go be with another man.
01:38:33.729 --> 01:38:36.759
You know your guy, he's gonna abuse you.
01:38:36.759 --> 01:38:47.989
You know you'd rather be in the woods with a bear rather than a man, and there's just this nastiness and this animosity and this there should be a natural tension between male and female.
01:38:48.110 --> 01:38:48.931
There should be right.
01:38:49.011 --> 01:38:53.247
Oh of course, like we make jokes about women, like there should be a natural tension.
01:38:53.247 --> 01:38:54.704
You should never be a simp.
01:38:54.704 --> 01:39:08.493
Like there's nothing grosser than a guy who defends the hoe, there's nothing more despicable than the guy who will defend that chick in the bikini.
01:39:08.493 --> 01:39:09.440
You know what I mean.
01:39:09.440 --> 01:39:10.502
Like just don't do that.
01:39:10.502 --> 01:39:12.608
Like it's gross, it's ugly.
01:39:12.608 --> 01:39:13.250
Don't do it.
01:39:13.250 --> 01:39:15.243
The girls aren't impressed by it.
01:39:15.243 --> 01:39:15.904
Nobody.
01:39:15.904 --> 01:39:25.096
Be a man and just and present yourself in a way where a woman will actually see you as a provider and a protector and not someone who will be.
01:39:25.438 --> 01:39:35.506
No girl wants a doormat, like no woman wants a doormat be a man and tell her she'll look so hot with those braces off.
01:39:35.506 --> 01:39:37.791
But but there should be hold on.
01:39:37.791 --> 01:39:39.454
Maybe we should put context to that.
01:39:40.716 --> 01:39:41.899
So what yeah right?
01:39:43.161 --> 01:39:44.101
when I met my wife.
01:39:44.101 --> 01:39:45.444
We need to put context to that.
01:39:45.484 --> 01:39:47.466
When I met my wife, we were 13.
01:39:47.466 --> 01:39:49.828
I met my wife when we were 13.
01:39:50.710 --> 01:39:52.011
I'm like Rob.
01:39:52.011 --> 01:39:53.573
Are you wearing like an ankle bracelet?
01:39:53.573 --> 01:39:54.413
Are you allowed to leave the?
01:39:54.474 --> 01:39:55.175
house.
01:39:55.175 --> 01:39:55.796
No, I'm not.
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:03.625
I met my wife at 13, and she was in love with me at 13.
01:40:03.625 --> 01:40:05.989
And she had in her yearbook wrote I love anthony a body.
01:40:05.989 --> 01:40:10.168
And when I saw that I said, when you get those braces off you're gonna be so hot.
01:40:10.168 --> 01:40:11.574
And she was.
01:40:11.574 --> 01:40:15.506
And when she got her braces off I started dating her, but not before that.
01:40:15.506 --> 01:40:18.314
So that's where the reference comes from.
01:40:18.354 --> 01:40:38.970
But um, yeah like, but there should be like a a slight natural enmity between male and female and you shouldn't, she shouldn't be your buddy, like um, uh, you know, like like you don't want to be in friend zone area, so you you do want to make sure she sees you as a bit of a threat, um.
01:40:38.970 --> 01:40:48.907
But yeah, like simps are gross man like, when I see a guy simping for a chick, I'm just like ew, like there's nothing more gross than a beta male to me have you guys?
01:40:49.046 --> 01:40:50.890
have you guys seen catholic simp watch?
01:40:51.112 --> 01:40:57.993
oh, he's I know who's behind it.
01:40:57.993 --> 01:40:59.376
It's one of the one of the.
01:40:59.376 --> 01:41:00.417
You know who's behind it.
01:41:00.417 --> 01:41:04.087
Oh yeah, it's one of the greatest gifts to catholic twitter.
01:41:05.210 --> 01:41:08.324
I mean it's good though, because it does hold people accountable.
01:41:08.324 --> 01:41:09.970
I'll be blunt.
01:41:09.970 --> 01:41:13.082
The religious hippie will post something, and all these guys.
01:41:13.082 --> 01:41:17.663
You look so beautiful, m'lady, and I'm like dude, she's married, now what?
01:41:17.864 --> 01:41:18.145
are you?
01:41:18.185 --> 01:41:18.667
doing.
01:41:19.340 --> 01:41:20.907
You know she's married.
01:41:20.907 --> 01:41:26.564
Yeah, let's so look.
01:41:26.564 --> 01:41:31.586
I don't like to individually call people out, so I'll oh no, like that wasn't even an insult.
01:41:31.645 --> 01:41:32.587
No, no not to her.
01:41:32.627 --> 01:41:33.288
I know, I don't know.
01:41:33.309 --> 01:41:39.688
Believe me, I was about I was about to say something oh, I got, I got you.
01:41:39.828 --> 01:41:46.711
I got you not to be rude to anyone, I just mean, like you'll just see these like random, like accounts or whatever on Twitter.
01:41:46.890 --> 01:41:56.375
Well, no, what I'll also say is you got to keep an eye out for attention-seeking behavior.
01:41:56.375 --> 01:42:02.288
It's a because that behavior doesn't go away right, it's vanity.
01:42:02.288 --> 01:42:05.274
Yeah, it is that behavior.
01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:08.820
Right, go away.
01:42:08.820 --> 01:42:09.243
Right, and yeah, it is.
01:42:09.243 --> 01:42:09.685
So what that behavior?
01:42:09.685 --> 01:42:09.805
Right?
01:42:09.805 --> 01:42:27.206
So what joshua charles was posting in the makeup thing I don't think necessarily it was about, because you're talking about roman times makeup's a little bit different, as really wealthy women that had makeup and things like that and he was saying, uh, like the, the church fathers are saying, don't wear makeup to draw attention to yourself because you want to be seen with your fancy clothes, to show everybody how much money you have.
01:42:27.206 --> 01:42:28.773
Get away from the materialism.
01:42:28.773 --> 01:42:34.353
I think a modern day equivalent would be women posting selfies very often.
01:42:34.353 --> 01:42:35.275
Right, it's one thing.
01:42:35.275 --> 01:42:39.748
If you have a picture of your family you want to post because it's like, hey, this is a special moment I want to put.
01:42:39.748 --> 01:42:48.125
But, like somebody who puts a camera in front of their face and takes a picture of themselves, there's a weird narcissism about doing that you have to be very cautious of.
01:42:48.587 --> 01:42:51.430
Yeah, don't need so much profilicity yeah.
01:42:53.701 --> 01:43:03.551
Well, and it's always funny because, like those same accounts, right, you know, not naming any names, but like there'll be some girl and she's like just got out of mass today.
01:43:04.112 --> 01:43:05.014
Just got out of mass.
01:43:05.014 --> 01:43:05.949
It's like mass fit pictures.
01:43:05.949 --> 01:43:06.574
And she's like just got out of mass today, just got out of mass.
01:43:06.574 --> 01:43:06.813
It's like mass fit pictures.
01:43:06.813 --> 01:43:07.880
It's like why are you posting that?
01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:09.445
Cause you want all the first of all.
01:43:09.445 --> 01:43:10.168
That's your girl.
01:43:10.168 --> 01:43:12.492
Like what are you looking at?
01:43:12.492 --> 01:43:14.287
You're looking for all the guys to tell you how pretty you are.
01:43:14.287 --> 01:43:16.685
Like that's a weird thing, you know, that's odd.
01:43:22.365 --> 01:43:24.087
I think, anthony, you, just you wear to mass.
01:43:24.148 --> 01:43:25.149
I'm wearing this to mass.
01:43:25.149 --> 01:43:30.175
I'm going to latin mass wearing this t-shirt anthony's.
01:43:30.555 --> 01:43:39.033
Anthony's walking up in his cookie monster t-shirt and his short is khaki shorts, his cargo shorts and some slow down.
01:43:39.113 --> 01:43:40.282
I don't wear cargo shorts.
01:43:40.282 --> 01:43:44.710
You wear cargo shorts I don't want to hear nothing about cargo shorts.
01:43:44.810 --> 01:43:45.993
They are useful.
01:43:46.514 --> 01:43:47.844
Okay, I don't wear cargo shorts.
01:43:47.863 --> 01:43:48.806
Thank you, rob.
01:43:48.806 --> 01:43:50.341
Thank you, listen.
01:43:50.341 --> 01:43:53.945
They are ergonomic, they are useful, like people diss them.
01:43:54.220 --> 01:44:06.201
The other thing I'll say is so I'm going back to St I haven't been to St Rocco's in a couple of weeks because I've had other things going on but I'm going back Sunday.
01:44:06.201 --> 01:44:11.091
Now when I go back, Ryan Cassie Rivera goes to my parish and he told me the priest has seen our show.
01:44:11.091 --> 01:44:16.180
Now I have to probably have a conversation about that.
01:44:16.180 --> 01:44:28.284
When I see my priest, I've skirted under the radar for so long with all of the priests at all the different parishes I go to, and I'm always happy when they don't recognize me, and now I think one of them is going to recognize me.
01:44:30.970 --> 01:44:33.045
Yeah Right, I should wear that shirt.
01:44:33.045 --> 01:44:36.429
Just be thankful we chose Harambe and not George Floyd for that shirt.
01:44:36.921 --> 01:44:37.864
I want to judge Floyd.
01:44:37.864 --> 01:44:39.747
I think George Floyd was the catacomb.
01:44:39.747 --> 01:44:41.662
Look, the catacomb is the restrainer.
01:44:41.662 --> 01:44:43.065
Right, it's the restrainer.
01:44:43.065 --> 01:44:43.926
Right, it's the restrainer that.
01:44:43.947 --> 01:44:44.948
only think about no, no, no, no, no.
01:44:44.948 --> 01:44:47.173
The cop was the restrainer in that case.
01:44:47.253 --> 01:44:49.354
Well, I'm just.
01:44:49.354 --> 01:44:52.237
George Floyd dying is when all the chaos ensues.
01:44:52.237 --> 01:44:53.738
So Rob made the joke.
01:44:53.738 --> 01:44:56.028
He goes maybe George Floyd was the catacomb.
01:44:56.028 --> 01:45:00.992
I mean think about all the evil that's poured onto the world since George Floyd.
01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:13.445
Well, and we're talking, you know, we're talking about women right now, and and you know how to talk to them.
01:45:13.466 --> 01:45:16.391
I mean, you walk up with your George Floyd shirt and you go up to her and say girl, you just took my breath away, I can't.
01:45:17.713 --> 01:45:18.855
You know it's a good pickup line.
01:45:18.855 --> 01:45:20.122
I'm going to give you guys a good pickup line.
01:45:20.122 --> 01:45:26.011
Every girl's holding her phone in her hand, right, it's it's 2024.
01:45:26.011 --> 01:45:26.551
Every girl's got her phone in her hand, right, it's 2024.
01:45:26.551 --> 01:45:26.954
Every girl's got her phone in her hand.
01:45:26.954 --> 01:45:31.045
You walk up when she's looking at her phone and just start telling her your number.
01:45:33.530 --> 01:45:34.152
Oh, I'm sorry.
01:45:34.581 --> 01:45:37.806
I thought you were about to enter my phone, like as she's looking at her phone.
01:45:37.806 --> 01:45:38.288
Go, you know.
01:45:38.288 --> 01:45:41.650
Whatever you do, do not give her the Twitter handle.
01:45:41.650 --> 01:45:43.581
You know, and if she looks at your phone.
01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:45.762
you'd be like you had your phone out.
01:45:45.762 --> 01:45:47.064
I thought you were asking for my number.
01:45:47.064 --> 01:45:48.926
That's an easy pickup line.
01:45:48.926 --> 01:45:50.667
It's not corny, it's not too bad.
01:45:50.667 --> 01:45:57.854
Another good one is look, if I don't have a girlfriend, but if I did I would push her in front of a bus for you.
01:45:57.854 --> 01:45:59.997
That's a good one.
01:45:59.997 --> 01:46:04.423
I don't have a girlfriend, but if I did I'd murder her.
01:46:05.265 --> 01:46:06.449
Yeah, that's a great question.
01:46:08.100 --> 01:46:09.966
The Catholic girls will love that one.
01:46:09.966 --> 01:46:10.349
Come on.
01:46:12.780 --> 01:46:15.207
Just remember no Twitter handles until the third date.
01:46:15.949 --> 01:46:21.972
That's true when you tell her that your Twitter handle is Graperchungus69, then it's blocked.
01:46:22.193 --> 01:46:23.095
Oh, my goodness.
01:46:25.502 --> 01:46:30.980
Oh man, dude, this was fun, man, I'm like I did have a good time with you tonight, dude.
01:46:30.980 --> 01:46:38.962
I, I, I'm glad that, um, I'm glad that I've softened up to the younger guys who I didn't understand before and stuff.
01:46:38.962 --> 01:46:42.782
Like I, I want there to be goodwill between people who see things a lot like.
01:46:42.782 --> 01:46:47.556
Like, things are a little different in the church right now and we all have to just kind of, you know, I think.
01:46:47.556 --> 01:46:55.253
I think there's got to be a little bit of humility in how, how we see our own positions, because I don't think anybody knows for sure.
01:46:55.274 --> 01:46:59.429
I think I think what you guys are doing with the pope francis is basing.
01:46:59.429 --> 01:47:01.902
I don't get it, but I think it's coming from a, a, a, a good place.
01:47:01.902 --> 01:47:02.923
You know what I mean.
01:47:02.923 --> 01:47:04.948
Like it's coming from a good place, you know what I mean.
01:47:04.948 --> 01:47:09.905
It's coming from that Catholic instinct to defend the church, to defend the Pope, and I get it.
01:47:09.905 --> 01:47:13.050
So I'm going to say the same thing to you guys, though.
01:47:13.050 --> 01:47:24.350
When you see the trads who are upset about this stuff, understand that we've lived through John Paul II, benedict XVI, and we had popes who actually stood up to the cultural onslaught.
01:47:24.350 --> 01:47:26.413
So when you see France as being weak on some stuff.
01:47:26.413 --> 01:47:30.207
It's kind of devastating for those guys, like it really is soul crushing for those guys.
01:47:30.207 --> 01:47:30.729
So you have to.
01:47:30.729 --> 01:47:35.310
There has to be a little bit of a balance and an understanding between the two sides.
01:47:35.369 --> 01:47:42.543
So Well, and it's one of those things, you know, I just want to say like I I I really enjoy talking to you guys.
01:47:42.543 --> 01:47:44.045
I hope this doesn't stop.
01:47:44.045 --> 01:47:48.587
I always say this to people when I finally get to sit down and talk with people.
01:47:48.667 --> 01:47:56.413
I want us to be actual friends, well dude, 90% of the people who argue on Twitter, if they sat and had a beer together would get along.
01:47:56.413 --> 01:48:01.296
90% of those people who think they hate each other.
01:48:01.296 --> 01:48:02.478
You get them together in a group.
01:48:02.478 --> 01:48:04.663
I saw it happen.
01:48:04.663 --> 01:48:08.850
Joe boca and ryan grant had like this tension between them.
01:48:08.850 --> 01:48:10.500
Then they saw each other the catholic identity conference.
01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:16.944
I was like, oh, dude, you know, like, like you don't, you would never say half the things you'll say to somebody on on twitter in real life.
01:48:16.944 --> 01:48:17.725
You just won't.
01:48:17.725 --> 01:48:19.210
So it's um.
01:48:19.210 --> 01:48:21.681
Well, let me tell also this pines, that was a good guess.
01:48:21.681 --> 01:48:23.905
Let me tell you what you're good at Conversation, right.
01:48:23.905 --> 01:48:29.356
So I would say something, not a question, and just stop talking.
01:48:29.356 --> 01:48:31.000
And you knew to pick up.
01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:31.600
You're good at this.
01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:36.516
Stick with it, stick with doing your show and stuff like that.
01:48:36.516 --> 01:48:38.926
People don't realize how tricky conversation is.
01:48:38.926 --> 01:48:45.088
It's one of those things where, especially when you're interviewing somebody, you hope your guest knows it's okay.
01:48:45.088 --> 01:48:47.563
Now it's time for me to talk, even if I wasn't asked the question.
01:48:47.563 --> 01:48:49.427
If there's a pause there, it's my turn to say something.
01:48:49.448 --> 01:48:50.671
You're very good at that so I.
01:48:50.671 --> 01:48:51.944
I know you're a very good guest.
01:48:51.944 --> 01:48:55.429
Oh, I appreciate it and I hope I didn't dominate the conversation at all.
01:48:55.500 --> 01:48:56.926
I'm very sensitive about that.
01:48:56.985 --> 01:49:05.448
You know that would love it for somebody talked over anthony.
01:49:08.953 --> 01:49:10.954
Um, yeah, man, this was fun, dude.
01:49:10.954 --> 01:49:14.378
And uh, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna pray for your family, man.
01:49:14.378 --> 01:49:23.346
I'm gonna pray for your parents because they sound like they're on the edge and I think, uh, I think them, seeing you live a devout life will have a very big influence on it.
01:49:23.346 --> 01:49:40.411
Like my, my wife's conversion was very much due to her seeing how I was raising my children and her seeing me pray the rosary with my kids as they were going to bed when they were little, and stuff like it kind of just melted her heart and that's what actually brought her over to seeing the beauty and what I was doing.
01:49:40.411 --> 01:49:44.487
And you know, it's like those little things like sometimes it's not always the, especially with women.
01:49:44.487 --> 01:49:52.131
Guys like, if you're, if your wife isn't on board with the faith, just shut up, because you'll never convince a woman through actual rational argument.
01:49:52.131 --> 01:49:54.541
They're not rational creatures, just live.
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.649
Instead show them videos of women driving, that's it.
01:50:03.088 --> 01:50:08.685
Yeah, dude, a lot of people are liking the conversation, but these are all your boys, yeah I, I.
01:50:09.769 --> 01:50:28.408
It's almost like we're all turning out for, uh, the grateful dead, or something it's like we're just, we got our vans, we're packing out, like, uh, yeah, I, I knew they all wanted to tune in because, because a lot of my boys love your guys, I love your guys show too yeah, dude, there doesn't need to be this animosity between shows.
01:50:28.467 --> 01:50:29.891
Man like that doesn't like I hate.
01:50:29.939 --> 01:51:01.971
There's one thing I remember hating is when, um when, like catholic personalities would be arguing with other cat, like we had our thing with lofton, but that was more just he took a shot at me and I was like I'm going after him and can we just be honest, the trad recovery thing was pretty cringe like thank you yeah, I mean it was like I'm like dog because like, okay, the the priest that they were gonna have there and sister eucharist like sister eucharist is awesome.
01:51:01.971 --> 01:51:03.042
She's very, very good.
01:51:03.042 --> 01:51:06.430
I don't know her, so her, she actually used to be CMRI.
01:51:06.430 --> 01:51:11.387
She was a full-on settee From one of the more intense groups too.
01:51:11.387 --> 01:51:14.046
She's got a beautiful heart.
01:51:14.046 --> 01:51:15.326
I love listening to her speak.
01:51:16.969 --> 01:51:21.707
That whole conference, the messaging dude, the way they promoted it, everything.
01:51:21.707 --> 01:51:27.273
The thing with that whole situation is I still love Jeremiah.
01:51:27.273 --> 01:51:35.226
Like I think he started that to promote the conference in a strange way, you know, like he was just like oh man, we're not selling tickets.
01:51:35.226 --> 01:51:36.050
I know what I'll do.
01:51:36.050 --> 01:51:41.640
I'll go after some Catholic personalities and that'll draw attention to the conference and that people will be talking about.
01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:45.445
And it worked in a strange way because we actually fed into it.
01:51:45.445 --> 01:51:52.265
But I only fed into it because it wasn't like uh, uh, somebody said to me it's like never, never punched down.
01:51:52.265 --> 01:52:04.547
And it's like I wasn't punching down, I was talking about my friend, like jeremiah is my friend, and it was this weird thing that happened and it was also really uh, sad, leaving meaning of catholic and stuff.
01:52:04.547 --> 01:52:06.239
There's a lot going on there so I was never.
01:52:06.359 --> 01:52:16.662
It's not really punching down either, because even though his channel doesn't have a ton of subs now, his channel has millions and millions of more views than us from earlier videos yeah, and also he helped get us.
01:52:17.524 --> 01:52:19.590
No, like he helped us early on in our stuff.
01:52:19.590 --> 01:52:21.601
Like I'll never have anything but love for jeremiah I.
01:52:21.601 --> 01:52:25.189
I hate that he went about it the way he did, but I love Jeremiah.
01:52:25.189 --> 01:52:35.141
He's got some things going on right now but hopefully in the future he'll be a guest on our show again and we'll be talking to him.
01:52:35.141 --> 01:52:37.088
It's just one of those things that happens.
01:52:37.088 --> 01:52:45.525
I like seeing Catholics love other Catholics and not squabbling.
01:52:45.525 --> 01:52:46.649
It's a silly thing.
01:52:46.649 --> 01:52:49.628
I think a lot of people's hearts were broken when TNT broke up.
01:52:49.628 --> 01:53:02.246
When me and Rob started the show we were like look, no matter what happens when we break up, if we break up it won't be this awkward, it'll be this peaceful way we break up.
01:53:02.246 --> 01:53:03.724
We'll never go out.
01:53:04.145 --> 01:53:05.167
Yeah, we won't kill each other.
01:53:05.188 --> 01:53:06.913
We won't kill each other.
01:53:06.913 --> 01:53:14.801
It won't be this thing where we're taking shots at each other and stuff and look there's been times where there's been times where I'm sure Rob has been upset with me or I've been upset with him.
01:53:14.801 --> 01:53:19.421
Well, you kind of just overlook those things and it's like, okay, whatever, who cares, we're still doing this thing.
01:53:19.421 --> 01:53:22.911
It's just the way friendships are, and it's it's what happens.
01:53:22.990 --> 01:53:34.440
so someone just comments co-sleep, co-sleep, yeah, yeah, that perfect example legit well, and guys, we're about, we're about punch, and then we're cool after.
01:53:34.440 --> 01:53:38.250
Yeah it's like punch and then we're fine and like there's no beef.
01:53:38.250 --> 01:53:57.096
Everything's cool and I think that's like really cool, like what's the genuine gem of like male friendships is just like you punch, you know, maybe you get on each other's nerves and then you hash it out and like you're the best of friends, you're even stronger in your friendship than you were before.
01:53:57.458 --> 01:54:01.284
Yeah, A couple of my friends growing up we had, we had fistfights before we became friends.
01:54:02.306 --> 01:54:03.189
That's awesome.
01:54:03.189 --> 01:54:04.452
Actually, that's pretty cool.
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:07.002
So we became friends.
01:54:07.002 --> 01:54:08.027
That's awesome, Actually, that's pretty cool.
01:54:08.027 --> 01:54:09.113
So, uh, all right, dude, what do you want to promote?
01:54:09.113 --> 01:54:09.435
What do you got?
01:54:09.435 --> 01:54:10.460
Uh, have you guys uh, aside from Pine Sap YouTube?
01:54:11.440 --> 01:54:13.989
Oh yeah, so I mean my YouTube, pine Sap, of course.
01:54:13.989 --> 01:54:18.681
Um, at Pine Sap three on Instagram, I'm still trying to grow that page.
01:54:18.681 --> 01:54:27.112
I'm sure they're going to delete it eventually, but I really, really, really hope they don't, Cause I'm at 50,000 people on it, right now 50,000 subscribers.
01:54:27.653 --> 01:54:29.055
Followers on Instagram.
01:54:29.055 --> 01:54:34.360
Yeah, yeah, Post some of the clips from the show.
01:54:34.400 --> 01:54:36.743
Maybe we'll get some of those People clip this show and stuff like that.
01:54:36.802 --> 01:54:39.104
I'll definitely post it on there.
01:54:39.104 --> 01:54:43.948
Yeah, I mean, there's that my telegram the narrow way.
01:54:43.948 --> 01:54:50.592
And just at Pinesap, I always forget my exact Twitter handle.
01:54:50.592 --> 01:54:55.337
It's like at Pinesap3WASC White Anglo-Saxon Catholic.
01:54:55.337 --> 01:54:59.448
Oh that's unique.
01:54:59.448 --> 01:55:03.618
Yeah, because I came from a WASP family, so I wanted to put a spin on that.
01:55:03.618 --> 01:55:04.729
I'm like White Anglo-Saxon Catholic, you know.
01:55:04.729 --> 01:55:15.215
On that, I'm like white anglo-saxon catholic, you know, or you could be like white anglo-saxon papist, so that's actually a good spin on it too, yeah, but with the p at the end that'll confuse people.
01:55:15.697 --> 01:55:24.091
Yeah, that's so true all right, guys go to our uh merch store, uh, share the show, man.
01:55:24.091 --> 01:55:27.886
Man, that's honestly the best way to grow our show is to share it.
01:55:27.886 --> 01:55:33.009
Maybe cut up clips, share them on YouTube or on Twitter, things like that.
01:55:33.009 --> 01:55:35.166
We'll be back Friday.
01:55:35.166 --> 01:55:37.206
We're going to do a Friday night show.
01:55:37.206 --> 01:55:40.506
We don't know what we're doing yet.
01:55:40.506 --> 01:55:42.587
We're going to keep a placeholder.
01:55:42.587 --> 01:55:43.189
We'll figure it out.
01:55:43.189 --> 01:55:46.047
We're going to have Nick back on on tuesday, on friday.
01:55:46.047 --> 01:55:49.056
So, um, pine sap brother, keep at it, man.
01:55:49.056 --> 01:55:49.819
I'm glad we met.
01:55:49.819 --> 01:55:52.770
I'm glad we got to have this conversation absolutely, brother.
01:55:53.192 --> 01:55:57.426
I'm so glad I got to talk with you, robin anthony, and like I just hope that we get to talk again.
01:55:57.426 --> 01:55:58.108
This is so much.
01:55:58.127 --> 01:55:58.869
Yeah, we'll do it again.
01:55:58.869 --> 01:56:00.082
We'll figure, we'll figure out.
01:56:00.082 --> 01:56:02.650
Maybe we'll get you and we'll do like a zoomer episode.
01:56:02.650 --> 01:56:04.034
We'll get christian wagner on.
01:56:04.034 --> 01:56:05.639
We'll get metatomus.
01:56:05.639 --> 01:56:06.162
Not like I.
01:56:06.162 --> 01:56:14.027
I'd like to get in, I'd like to get into the mindset of all you guys I was blown away.
01:56:14.087 --> 01:56:15.569
Metatomus is actually a millennial.
01:56:15.569 --> 01:56:16.532
Oh is he?
01:56:16.532 --> 01:56:17.913
Yeah, he's a millennial.
01:56:17.913 --> 01:56:19.485
Apparently, he's not even gen z.
01:56:19.485 --> 01:56:21.373
Okay, okay, that's, that's interesting.
01:56:21.394 --> 01:56:23.180
So we'd have like a generational thing.
01:56:23.180 --> 01:56:24.125
Oh, you know who else I?
01:56:24.125 --> 01:56:26.824
I always forget to throw him in Classical Theist man.
01:56:26.824 --> 01:56:31.623
I freaking really like Classical Theist, Like he's a really good guy, and he's not.
01:56:31.623 --> 01:56:34.364
He's not, he doesn't do.
01:56:34.364 --> 01:56:36.891
The Pope Francis is the most based Pope ever thing.
01:56:36.891 --> 01:56:38.747
He's way more rational about it.
01:56:38.747 --> 01:56:40.585
He's just he.
01:56:40.585 --> 01:56:48.396
I'm going to have to get him on one night, Rob, because I'm going to have to get him on one night, Rob, because I really do like him.
01:56:48.396 --> 01:56:48.698
He's a good guy.
01:56:48.698 --> 01:56:48.877
Well, let's go.
01:56:48.877 --> 01:56:49.895
All right, Rob, you can take us out.
01:56:49.895 --> 01:56:51.199
Man, We'll see you guys on Friday.
01:57:04.634 --> 01:57:04.833
Bye.
01:57:04.833 --> 01:57:12.381
Sancte mortis, sancte Sancte.
01:57:19.344 --> 01:57:26.007
Amare morti Et radas nos.
01:57:26.007 --> 01:57:27.811
Thank you.