'You're Wrong' With Mollie Hemingway and David Harsanyi, Ep. 218: France On Fire, Slotkin’s Threat, And Lesley Stahl

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Welcome back, everyone, to a new episode of You Were
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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor-in-chief of The Federalist and David Harsanyi,
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a senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as a reminder,
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if you'd like to email the show, please do so
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at radio at thefederalist.com. Hey, Molly, I wanted to start
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the show with a little item I read online today.
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And it's a story about our own Cincinnatus, like a
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man who rises above in the political sphere. And his
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name is Brady Rogers.
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Have you seen this story?
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He ran for city council in a place called Kelowana, Canada, which.
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Is, I think, near Vancouver or in that direction. His whole.
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Campaign was telling voters he has no idea what he's doing.
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He hates politics. He's unqualified for the job. And his
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signs read, I barely want to do this. Vote for
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Brady Rogers.
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And guess what? He won.
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I do not find this story nearly so charming as
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you do. I actually find it really annoying when people
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affect this, like, I don't really care kind of attitude.
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You see it all the time on social media where
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people are like, I'm above the fray. I'm not really invested.
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You people who care about politics are such losers.
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I thought you were a Gen Xer. I mean, what
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is happening here?
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I am, but I think there's an aspect of Gen
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X that really is about just quiet competence. And it's
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okay if you don't want to do something or if
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you're not qualified or competent. You find something else that
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you are going to be able to serve well in
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just some other capacity. But also, did I hear you
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say our Cincinnati's and described a Canadian?
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This is a good Canadian because here's why. OK, we
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take politics too seriously in this country. The vast majority
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of city council members that I've run across and know are.
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Insufferably annoying and intrusive.
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Yeah. they are some of the worst people I've met.
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And so I, I like, I like a person like this.
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I don't like professional politicians. I like people that the
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politicians I've sort of gravitated to have, have often been
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forced into the job in some way or felt a
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necessity to deal with one issue. And then, you know,
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a career kind of organically blossom from there. I just
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don't like people who are do-gooders.
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That's all.
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Don't you sort of assume that this guy, designed this
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campaign ironically like he really does desperately want to be
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a city councilman and he thought this was the way
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to get elected and it worked because he's running in
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Canada and everybody's so sarcastic there.
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It could be. I don't know enough about the Kelowana
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City Council.
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I did hear that 34 people were running for that
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seat so the guy probably got like 10 votes.
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We may discuss this later but I was thinking about
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it because Nathan Fielder, who has the hottest new movie out,
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is from Canada as well, as I like to call it.
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I mock Canada because I don't think it's a real nationality.
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I have no problem with Canada, really. I mean, there
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are Canadians that I meet. A lot of them, Norm Macdonald,
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there's a new documentary about Norm Macdonald.
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He's Canadian.
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A lot of funny people have been Canadian who are
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in our culture.
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But yeah.
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I've mentioned my mom's theory or her claim that all
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the good Germans moved to America. And that's why Germany
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is the way it is now. And I would just
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point out that all the good Canadians, with only a
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few exceptions, have already become American.
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Yeah.
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Why don't we talk a little bit about France? A
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lot of riots there. They've been accelerating. Listen, it's not
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surprising the French have been riding forever.
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It is kind of funny.
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I went back to read about the 1968 May riots,
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which were a very big deal at the time. And
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the description of it is exactly the description of these
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riots that are given by the media. Workers want more rights,
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government austerity, you know, social change, all the same.
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Kind of things.
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I think there's a different component in here as well.
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But they burned down some beautiful, I forgot what the
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town hall was called.
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It's the town hall in Limoges.
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They're looting, they're burning down the stores that aren't as beautiful,
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but that people need for their businesses and so on.
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The excuses made for these riots remind me sometimes of
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the excuses people made during the Black Lives Matter riots,
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where they'd say, oh, you know, the people have insurance.
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Is a building really as important as, you know, rights
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or whatever?
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And of course.
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destroying someone's business has an immense toll that goes far
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beyond just walls and furniture. People spend their lives building
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these businesses. In any event, I wanted to just talk
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a little bit about some underlying reasons that I think
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these riots are happening. And I don't know if you'll
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agree with me, but in how I think The Democrats
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want to bring the same problems here, especially progressives. So
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let me give you a quote from Ro Khanna, who
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is a prospective presidential candidate, maybe. He's kind of a
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socialist California congressman, pretends to be more modern in his thinking,
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but really just has a bunch of antiquated ideas. This
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is what he says when he sees what's happening there.
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This is what happens when nations let wealth and power
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accumulate in the hands of a few. Like that is
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his hobby horse, income inequality. So I looked it up.
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Guess what?
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France doesn't have high income inequality. It's actually right in
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the middle average for European union. Also completely irrelevant. France
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ranks 50th somewhere in the world in inequality. And it's surrounded.
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I looked at two countries right next to it. One
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is Japan, which is a wealthy Western democracy. And the
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other one is Myanmar, which is a tyranny. That's one
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of the poorest countries in the world. So that is
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not the reason. Um, But this stat is amazing. France spends,
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of its budget, on social and welfare programs, 59% of
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its entire budget goes to that. And it's grown from
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53% to 59%. So its debt is approaching 120% of GDP.
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It's going to rise to 122 next year, right? So
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the French had a plan, the government, to cut spending
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By 0.4%. That's why you have these riots. A 0.4% cut.
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Because people are so addicted to dependency on government that
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even a slightest cut means their lives are going to
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be different. And that, to me, tells me that Khan
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has it backwards. That it's his system that creates this.
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Dependency on government. A huge state. Not an open, free government.
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economy where you have merit where merit drives it and
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so on and i have a lot of other numbers
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but anyway what i i'm talking a lot what are
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your views on this i find.
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That very interesting one of my i don't know one
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things that the older you get and the more you
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read the more you realize that things usually don't have
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one cause there's there's a lot going into a story
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and there are other countries with a huge portion of
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their budget being spent on welfare that do not have
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this type of unrest. But it is clear that not
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only is the welfare a component here, it very much
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relates to the alliance that is fomenting these riots. It's
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what they usually call a red-green alliance. You've got the
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Antifa Marxist element that has been in France for a
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long time, There's long been that kind of revolutionary anti-religious
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spirit in France. It's a religious country, but it's also
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an anti-religious country. It contains all these contradictions. You had
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the Pope visiting recently and having huge crowds and everything,
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and then you have a lot of hatred for religion.
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And then the green part of the alliance is the
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large Muslim population that that has grown in France in
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recent decades. And a lot of these, you know, you
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look at the rioters and a lot of them are
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from these ethnic enclaves in various suburbs. And that red-green
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alliance is something that's becoming a much bigger feature in
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European countries and in the United States. So it's something
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that we should be paying attention to how it's playing
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out in France. To see how we can most effectively
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fight it. And, you know, sometimes see it in the
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same type of person, like an Abdul El-Saeed running for
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the Senate and very, you know, very well could win
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and become a U.S. senator. That type of alliance. Yeah.
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Mamdani is part of that. And it's the same kind
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of people. And they're welcome within the Democratic Party. When
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Mamdani won, everyone welcomed him. No one said, oh, boy,
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this is a problem for us.
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Right.
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And the Democratic Party.
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It's interesting you mention social cohesion where you have Denmark
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has virtually the same kind of levels of welfare state,
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you know, so it's not a welfare state it's like
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very generous social programs but they don't have this kind
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of thing happen and they are much stricter when it
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comes to immigration um and also some other numbers uh
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the French pay immense taxes, like 45% of your gross
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salary goes to contribute to that, to your retirement and
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all social programs. And then your employer has to pay
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another 25%. And then there's a 20% across the board
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VAT tax, meaning for almost anything you buy.
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But guess what?
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50% of French households are over, don't pay any income tax.
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So remember when Mitt Romney made that comment and everyone
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went bananas, but it is true. People don't pay taxes,
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but they continue to get things from the government, they're
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untethered from consequences of what happens when you have a
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government that no longer functions. In Denmark, virtually every single
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household pays some level of income tax. And then you
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mentioned the Muslim population. Well, France has like the highest
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unemployment rate for young people. It's like 21%. We have 9%,
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and I think it's a big problem. They have 21%.
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And Muslim youth unemployment is.
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Through the roof.
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34% of France's under-18 population right now has either a
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parent or grandparent who is an immigrant. And the vast
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majority of those people have come from some Muslim-majority country
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in North Africa or the Middle East. It's a huge problem.
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And the media has done their best to try to
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pretend this has nothing to do with that. Like you said,
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there are a lot of reasons why you have riots
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in France.
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It's not just one thing.
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I have seen too many videos that are real out
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there of people with Palestinian flags, people yelling al-Akbar, whatever.
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to tell me that this, that that is not part
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of it. That's another thing where O'Connor wants to happen
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in this country. And you know what's going to happen though?
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Most French probably do not like riots. They do not
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like schools being shut down. They do not like businesses burned.
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So there's a good chance that Le Pen, the opposition
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leaders who's, you know, she's on the, people say she's
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far right. I think she is, but not in the
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way that we would imagine. You know, she's not like
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super conservative. She's more of a nationalist, etc.
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She may do very well. And you know what that's
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going to mean. Even more riots, probably.
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I don't think they'll let her win. Do you think?
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Oh, I don't know.
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I don't know enough about. Well, actually, I do know
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something about it. I think that she can win.
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Yeah, actually. I don't know. I don't know for how long,
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but I don't know, actually. I don't know.
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So I was shopping in Middleburg this weekend with a
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friend and I came across this book. that was written
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in between the two world wars. And it was about
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radicalism on campuses. And it was interesting. I actually meant
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to write down the name of the book and send
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it to you, David. I also almost bought it, but
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then it was $ 18. And I thought that was too much.
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It's books so old.
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You're wondering how much I value your friendship.
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You get a dollar.
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$ 15 is the max. But it was, it began by
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talking about how, I saw some people making fun of
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how the media describe the riots in France as student
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protests when they're so clearly not just student protests. They're
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students being used by Marxists and Antifa types. Just like
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you were mentioning the George Floyd riots. They weren't really,
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you know, they weren't like organic protests. people just being
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concerned about this one individual dying while in police custody.
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Right. And all kinds of people.
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Yeah.
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But the book was talking about how in the United States,
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we really did have a different thing. Like students really
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weren't the focus of radical efforts in the United States
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at the time this was written. But it was talking
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about how maybe they were becoming so in between these
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two world wars. And it was written in the 30s.
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ideas start to infiltrate schools. And this book that I'm
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coming out with next year, it touches on this or
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it doesn't touch on this. It talks about it quite
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a bit. And you see, I mean, I come to
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it from a Jewish perspective. I'm talking about Columbia University,
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for instance, where you had all these kind of immense
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intellectual talents, totally degraded now into a bunch of like
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ridiculous red-green alliance nutjobs whose classes are filled every semester.
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And people take those ideas into the real world. You
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go to Columbia University, you're going to get a good
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job when you get out most of the time because
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that's a prestigious institution or was. I was looking at
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pictures of the 1968 riots and all the student groups.
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They have pictures of Marx and Trotsky and Che Guevara,
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you know, and this is these are still the heroes of,
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you know, of the student radicals today. They've like they've
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not updated their shtick.
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Well, on that note of updating shtick, sorry, go on.
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I was just going to say you have that already.
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this kind of nihilistic, violent outlook. It's going to be
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much worse than it was in 1968, I think, in
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the long run, if you let this continue.
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I was trying to get a read on the angle
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of this book that I was just leafing through. And
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it had some stuff in there. This is updating the
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thing about how much anti-Semitism there was on Ivy League
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campuses like way back in the day. And it had
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some kind of a side like granted a lot of
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there was a lot of overlap between revolutionary movements and
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Jewish student groups that people basically the author, I think,
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was saying they used that as a pretext to practice
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their actual anti-Jewish bias. But I was thinking about how
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interesting it is that is the situation at some of
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these Ivy Leagues really that different now than it was
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100 years ago in terms of their anti-Semitism? There it
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happened more in a top-down structure, I think, like admissions.
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There's a big difference.
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Institutional. Whereas now you kind of have the inmates running
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the asylum, meaning the students, but they are students, not.
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Well, they would only, you know, they'd cap Jewish enrollment
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at 10%, let's say at Harvard, right? So Jews just
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went to city schools, NYU, and they did amazing things there.
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Schools that had Milton Friedman in them and, you know,
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all these other people became very famous, went to those
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schools and they created their own schools. I don't think
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that's okay. But it's a different kind of anti-Semitism that
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you get now. You literally have an Edward Syed chair
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of Middle Eastern Studies at Columbia that has people in it.
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One of them, Rashid Khalidi, who was friends with Barack Obama, incidentally,
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who was also a spokesman for the PLO. It's a big,
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big difference when you have country club anti-Semitism.
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Of the WASP in the 30s.
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I'm not saying it didn't Lindbergh was around, Henry Ford
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was around. I'm not saying there was no anti-Semitism. Compared
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to these people, they're pikers, real pikers in my view.
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Especially in the influence they have in America. Henry Ford
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was never elected to office. Mamdani's here. El-Sayed might be here.
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Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, etc. So to me, it's a
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much more real problem in today's world. Hey, we'll see
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what France does. France, like you say, it's complicated. They
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have bans on.
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Religious garb in public schools.
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So there is a very conservative element there as well.
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these to be between the clerical class and like the
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revolutionary class and this and that. It's very difficult to
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save yourself fiscally when they're when you cannot reform anything,
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you cannot reform anything. And by the way, France has
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every single thing that the left tells us is good.
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Socialized medicine, very high minimum wages, powerful unions, the most
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generous worker protections, like huge government, massive welfare state. Are
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things working out over there better than for us? I
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just don't think so. And we should not be headed
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in that direction.
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You want to move on to, uh, Senator Slotkin of Michigan,
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who who.
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What did she say exactly and what are we what
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are we mad about?
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She was speaking at the University of Chicago, and she
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said that she wanted to basically engage in the type
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of lawfare that makes young people scared to go work
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for a Republican administration. And she was pretty explicit about it,
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that she wants people to be scared to serve in
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the executive branch if they are not of her political view,
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that it wouldn't be worth their trouble to endure what
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she and her compatriots will put them through. When people
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were utterly horrified by this, including some of her colleagues,
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she changed it to say, I'm just saying like we
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should care about, you know, the types of people we
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work for. She tried to back away from what she
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had actually said, but she was calling for going after
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and explicitly said like recent college grads who want to
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go work in an administration she later said i'm just
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talking about going after trump that is not what she
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was talking about she has not been forced to deal
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with what she actually said which is that she a
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former cia official would like to go after recent college
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grads who want to serve people who don't share her.
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Politics Yeah, I want young people coming out of school
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to say, should I work for the Trump administration? Like,
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that sounds fun. I might get an opportunity. I want
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them to be like, Lord, that might be buying myself
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a ton of problems that I don't want. And so
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let me avoid participating in that. I want that deterrence message.
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So yes, initially, she said, we should investigate all the
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corruption in the Trump administration.
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I say to that, fine, you have the You.
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Can you can I mean, a lot of that will
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be lawfare, but maybe, you know, I'm not saying there's
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no corruption.
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You should investigate it. But the point of it was
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not let's root out corruption. Not at all.
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She said deterrence. I want to deter.
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It is a deterrence.
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She's talking like a CIA agent would talk about some
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kind of foreign op.
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Right.
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And deterring people from participating in some kind of election
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or something. It is clearly something that leftists like to
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do in general.
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When we're talking about government of, by, and for the people,
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we're usually talking about people who are running for elected
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office or who agree to serve as judges. But due
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to the massive growth of our executive branch, it also
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means who's in those positions in the civil service or
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in a political appointee position. And to me, she's making
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a direct threat on our way of government. It should not,
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she didn't even bother to like have the pretense of
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like explaining a way that what she said wasn't horrific,
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that anyone who goes and works at the Department of
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Agriculture is obviously complicit in agriculture crimes or something. You know,
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she didn't even like try to make a defense of
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what she was saying. She just clearly was saying, I
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want to go back to the first Trump administration when
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people were legitimately scared that their lives would be destroyed
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if they worked for Trump. This really was a huge
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break with how we'd done things previously. We kind of
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talked about this last week a little bit, but prior
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to 2016, people generally accepted election results. And that also
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meant that people had the right to staff their departments
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how they wanted to. With Trump in 2016, thanks to
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the media and other Democrats' Russia collusion lie, you actually
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got people saying that If you were working for him,
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that might mean you were worthy of being investigated by
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the Department of Justice, the FBI. You had major lawfare
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efforts ramp up. You had for the first time in history,
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people would leave like the Department of Justice or the
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Trump White House Counsel's Office and not get the plum
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positions at law firms. They would have trouble getting any
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position at any law firm. And it was a very
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effective method put out by Democrats in the media to
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to just tarnish the reputation of anyone who, say, wanted
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to shut down the border or wanted to end the
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insanity of trans stuff. They just found it very difficult
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to make a living.
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I have to push back.
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On one thing that you said, and you may actually
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agree with me, is that I don't think that we
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generally accepted elections before 2015, not Democrats.
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They accepted Reagan. They had no choice.
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There were such massive victories there. Nixon's was such a
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massive victory, but they got him anyway. They didn't accept
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Gore's loss. They didn't accept Kerry's loss.
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Not really. Gore never. They never. They still to this
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day say it.
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Was still a stolen election, even though we know because
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people have recounted every vote that it wasn't. You remember
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what happened with the Kerry stuff? They didn't accept Trump then.
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They can't accept losing an election unless you win it
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by such a huge margin that there's just no way
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to contest it. You know, and that that speaks to
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kind of the I hate to say it, the Bolshevik
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tactics that you see right now, that what Slotkin.
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Did, that that is exactly what it is.
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And you used to see it on college campuses where
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conservatives couldn't speak and they had there was a deterrence
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from going there. You don't want to put yourself into
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that position.
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I'm sorry, used to see a year after an assassination. Yeah,
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I do think people should. You're right that I don't
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disagree that the refusal to accept President Bush's victory. showed
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what was happening on the left. I think there was
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a difference, a major difference in even their treatment of
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Bush administration people, many of whom got the plummest of
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plum positions and, or like a Paul Ryan who runs
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for vice president and loses, but gets plum positions. And
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then what has happened to Trump administration officials, which really
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is horrific. There is an interesting case, um, dealing with
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John Eastman, who was disbarred for completely political reasons for
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providing legal advice that was so good that the U
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S house of representatives, well, that Congress had to change
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the way it handles electoral votes to deal with how
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good his advice was, but he was disbarred by a
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heavily politicized, um, California and his case will be, I
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believe going to the Supreme court. There are lots of
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people looking, um, answers there. But there's a whole project,
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Project 65, to disbar or otherwise destroy the lives of
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anybody who represents a Republican client. And it's a heavily
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financed thing. These are attacks on our system of government.
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They are serious threats and people should take them very seriously.
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And I haven't even heard John Thune say anything about it,
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although it's entirely possible he did. And I just missed it.
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But Republican senators, other than just Mike Lee or Ted Cruz,
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who I saw comment on this, should be saying that,
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you know, it's not safe or healthy to have Alyssa
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Slotkin in the Senate calling for a destruction of our
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way of government.
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I mean, even if Eastman's advice was terrible, he shouldn't
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have been disbarred as far as I'm not an expert
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on that case. But I mean, I see Democratic lawyers
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making the most insane and ridiculous claims all the time
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who aren't disbarred. That's first off. I agree with you
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about the Trump officials and the Bush officials. I also
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do think that this thing has started. It's been ratcheted
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up and accelerates. It doesn't just happen overnight.
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You know, right away.
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But I don't think they will ever forgive Donald Trump
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for beating Hillary Clinton. I think to them, that was
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one of the worst moments in American history. And then
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to have the unmitigated gall to come back and win
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again after they took it back, it's very difficult for
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them to get over it. And they want to destroy
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everyone in that movement.
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I've always, you know, I've always felt that.
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Way, even when I disagree with people within Trump world,
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that they are treated very differently.
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So this is a good.
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hook to mention an email we got from Greg, where
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he said, in your most recent podcast discussing the comedian
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Shane Gillis, Molly pointed out that a large part of
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the left's objection to him was because his very reappearance
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from previous canceling was a massive affront to their power. Indeed,
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isn't that exactly what is at the heart of Trump
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derangement syndrome? They were confident that they had Trump politically
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dead and almost literally dead six ways to Sunday, as Mr.
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Schumer would say. And despite their best efforts, many of
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them illegal, he was able to thwart every one of them.
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Could there be any greater affront to their power? And
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I think that is something there. You look at people
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with Trump derangement syndrome. There are people who don't like
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him and they're totally sane about it. There are people
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who don't like him who have lost their ever living
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minds about it. And I do think that part of
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it relates to how they assured their listeners or their
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readers or the people in their friends that there was
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no way he could win in 2016. And when he
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didn't just win, but governed effectively in the face of
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unbelievable difficulties, it makes them feel really bad about themselves
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and like they're losers. And then that makes them angrier
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about him.
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It's, Yeah, I mean, you see them talking about they've
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used Trump also to completely give in to the farthest
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left ideas. Like because of Trump, we now have to
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pack the Supreme Court because of Trump. We now have
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to get rid of the Electoral College because of Trump.
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You know, because of Trump, we no longer have to
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even have any norms or the Constitution.
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Yeah. It's ridiculous, especially because, listen, Trump is the way
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he is. I get it.
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It's outside the tradition of American presidential politics, at least
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in modern times. But overall, his policies are no more
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outside traditional American policies than anything the Democrats want to do.
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He is in many ways in the tradition of early
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20th century presidents like Harding or Teddy Roosevelt or whatever.
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And the idea that he's just this crazed fascist is just.
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Not reality.
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But they've convinced themselves it is or they pretend. Listen,
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I think people think that a lot of these forces
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act in bad faith I think people can convince, I
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think people actually convince themselves things are true.
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Over the years, as I get older, when I'm debating.
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Someone, I'm like, this person has convinced themselves that Donald
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Trump is Hitler. They believe it when they go home
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deep inside, even though it's obviously preposterous. And I remember
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having to deal with this as a person who is
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critical of Trump quite often early on, especially in 2015.
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I wrote a column where I'm like, You might not
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like Trump, but he's not Hitler. Like we're never going
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to be able to have a normal country if everyone
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we don't like is always Hitler.
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But here we are.
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One of my things that's been interesting about Trump time
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is that I actually do agree with him on so
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very much. I've had a few things where I disagree
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with him strongly, mostly related to abortion, like how he
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handled that in the 2024 campaign. And then his decision
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to go to war with Iran. And at no point
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did I feel like I lost my ability to reason
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through it or, you know, I didn't, I'm not happy
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with certain things, but part of my challenge was like,
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I agreed with him on so many things and how
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he was doing so many things that I was wondering
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if Would I go crazy if I disagreed strongly? And
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I did not. I'm happy about that.
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I'm not complaining. First world problem.
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But it's not easy to navigate that in this political
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environment because people are hysterical about the guy. And every
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a lot of people divide everything into pro Trump, anti Trump.
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So you can't have any kind of normal discussion about anything,
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especially if I say Trump's right about Iran, which I have.
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I get a million people calling me a MAGA nut who,
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you know, whatever.
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And like, I'm, you know, it's, it's just insanity.
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So I've never, the only, I think that we had
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a similar thing with Obama too, where, where, where, where
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it was pro anti-Obama kind of like, it was probably
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hard to, I disagreed with Obama on everything. So I
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don't know how hard that was to navigate though.
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One thing I do worry about is that some people
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who are very emotional and I've, I've been surprised by
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how many people are like Tom Tillis level of emotional, like,
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high school girl or maybe junior high school girl would
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be the better way to think of it. Just he
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doesn't just want Trump to lose. He now wants like
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all of Republicans to lose the entire movement to lose.
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He'll want to be proving till the day he dies
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that he was right and everybody else was wrong. And
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he's going to like continue to litigate that in a
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way that I'm not really looking forward to. I wish
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people wouldn't be so emotional and soar about being wrong.
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But on the other hand, people like me, if we
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disagree on something, either with Vance or Trump, people are
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immediately like, they're freaking out.
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They're melting down. They're part of an op.
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Like, you can't, can I just disagree with someone without being,
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without you boring into my emotional state and telling me
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what I'm feeling when I'm just disagreeing with him?
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This is just how politics is now. And it's just, incredible.
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We don't have debates.
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I just feel like we don't actually have a policy
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debate ever over anything.
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It's a personality. We're playing the man.
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We're never playing the issues really anymore. I'm just whining now.
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I have TV.
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I'm too cheap not to get rid of the ads
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on my streaming services, so I have all the political ads.
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First of all, they're all so incredibly unhinged from reality
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that I can't even believe what we're doing. But so
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many of them are about Trump that from the Democrats
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that they just run against Trump. That's all they've been
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doing for 10 years. What are they going to do
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when Trump's not around anymore?
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I guess they'll just make the next person.
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That's kind of what I'm trying to get at with this.
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And I, and I'm sorry for my armchair psychoanalysis of
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Tom Tillis, but it's just.
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Not him talking about me. I personalized it, but.
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I think, I guess that's, that's kind of what I'm
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not looking forward to is a phase where people who
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want to have been right about Trump are are coming
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out of 10 years of humiliation and they're going to,
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it's going to like color everything about moving forward. And
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I wish more people in just in general, I wish
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more people would understand that politics is about coalition building.
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There will be people in your coalition who you really
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don't agree with on much, but nobody wins on their own.
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And the more that, and yeah, you do kind of
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like jockey for dominance within your coalition. I get that.
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Or you jockey for just having some kind of control
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over your pet issue, whether it's like parents in schools
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or abortion or whatever the issue is that really motivates you.
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You want to make sure that the coalition understands that
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they lose you if you, if they don't, you know,
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acquiesce to what you want there. But I just feel
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like everyone's forgotten that coalitions are a thing that you
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need for a party and that everybody should be kind
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of thinking about how to keep a coalition together, how to,
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you know, how to exist with people who have different
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sets of priorities. And I don't see a lot of
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that in the Senate, for example, or even in the,
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you know, a lot in the pundit class too. And
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it's really important.
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The pundit class should not be thinking about coalitions. Why
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should I be thinking about a coalition? If I think
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that Let's see. Why, David?
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Sorry. Go on.
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I'll tell.
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I mean, go on.
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If I think the second that Trump to administration has
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been terrible on abortion, which I actually do think in
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many ways it has been and in other things. I
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don't I mean, the job of a pundit is to
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tell you what he thinks and to make arguments, not
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to worry about coalitions. Coalition building is the is the
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job of the political class, not the pundit class to
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think about. OK, so people are just going to tell
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you what they think and make arguments about those issues.
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I could not disagree with you more. I mean, first off,
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I don't think the pundit class is all the same.
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And there are people with different functions in the pundit
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class than people like there are people who their only
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job is to care about the Second Amendment. And that's
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what they hammer all day long, or they care about
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foreign policy, or they care about social issues. And that's fine.
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But if you want to have success, and like the
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whole reason why we should be doing any of this
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stuff is because we want the arguments to win the day, right?
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But if you want the arguments to win the day,
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you have to be cognizant of political realities and the
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importance of a coalition to have a certain amount of power.
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I wrote about this in the Kavanaugh book that Carrie
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Severino and I did. We wrote about it. And It
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was interesting that the pro-life movement figured out that they
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kind of like thought about everything that they needed in
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order to overturn Roe v. Wade. And one of the
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things that they hadn't actually focused on for many decades
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was the need to have a Senate with enough good
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senators who would confirm good people to be justices. And
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so that's a great example of how like the issue
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they actually cared about was ending abortion. The means by
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which they did it was a lot of coalition building
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to elect the right people, both in the Senate and
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in the presidency, to be able to even have a
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shot at overturning Roe. So you just have to be
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thinking at a higher level about the purpose of your argumentation,
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how you're going to get there, how coalitions play a
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part in that, and how you're not just some isolated island.
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Wow. I disagree.
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If you worry about, don't disagree that you're wrong that
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different people have different jobs. I don't think enough people
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have the job of just telling people what they think
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is true about certain issues and worrying about who they're
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going to insult and who's going to be pushed away
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and who's not going to like them. And maybe that's
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why my audience is modest.
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I don't know.
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Can I just say one more thing on a different
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topic before we talk culture? Because I know we're going,
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we need to do that. But did you see the
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60 Minutes interview? hit on election integrity.
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I just read about it. I did not watch it.
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First of all, I think 60 Minutes is such a joke.
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I don't know why literally anyone talks to anyone at
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60 Minutes. I'll make a Ross Douthat exception, but who
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even knows who's editing his stuff. And I hate how
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people treat it like a legitimate thing when it's just
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a straight up propaganda show. And they have this, like,
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I want to say 90 year old woman, Leslie Stahl.
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who is, who's, who's getting worse each year at hiding
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her hatred for anyone to her right. And she was
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very concerned. She's like, we have not really been looking
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into illegal voting. And even so we've, you know, even
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with nobody looking into it, um, it's just small numbers
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of people doing it like the Obama administration prosecutor, Biden prosecuted, um,
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like more than a dozen people for it. So shouldn't
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we keep not looking for it? And Harmeet Dhillon was
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explaining how rule of law works and why you care
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about people who shouldn't be voting voting and how that
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steals votes from legitimate voters. Like anytime you let a
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person who shouldn't be voting vote, it takes the vote
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away from an actual American. But there is this like
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coordinated effort to attack anyone who cares about election integrity.
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And I find it very suspicious. Like, why would you
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care so much about election integrity, being so open and
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honest about your dislike of people trying to make sure
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that our elections are conducted in a way so that
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no one who shouldn't be voting votes.
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Well, so part of the story was that they are
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stripping these roles of names of non-citizens, right, or people
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who can't vote. And if your argument is that it
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doesn't matter then why wouldn't you participate in trying to
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make sure that you have a better lists, pure lists,
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double check names, work with the administration, California. should be
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working with the administration to make sure that there are not,
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you know, that only citizens are voting. That's still the
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law in California. You should be wanting to uphold that law.
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You're not undermining the law by stripping these voter rolls
726
00:40:31.409 --> 00:40:34.769
of people who don't vote. So the point is that,
727
00:40:35.030 --> 00:40:37.610
like you say, what you're telegraphing to us, what you're
728
00:40:37.630 --> 00:40:40.559
insinuating to us is that you want illegals on there.
729
00:40:40.579 --> 00:40:42.960
I'm not saying they're going to change the California vote,
730
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:44.679
but there's a reason you want them on there. Maybe
731
00:40:44.699 --> 00:40:46.940
in the long term, you want all of the non-citizens
732
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.719
to vote and you want them on those rolls.
733
00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:49.320
I don't know why.
734
00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:54.710
So the thing I can't get over is how strenuously
735
00:40:54.809 --> 00:41:00.469
Democrats fight any and all efforts to have free and
736
00:41:00.489 --> 00:41:05.739
fair elections. I mean, they are, everyone's ready to fight
737
00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:09.159
on that. And it's so suspicious to me. And I
738
00:41:09.219 --> 00:41:13.780
do think part of it is just obvious. Systems that
739
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.929
are so bad that you actually have non-citizens voting are
740
00:41:17.989 --> 00:41:20.110
also systems that are so bad that you have all
741
00:41:20.150 --> 00:41:23.719
sorts of other irregularities. So I think that probably they
742
00:41:23.780 --> 00:41:27.099
know that, that if they allowed any integrity as it
743
00:41:27.139 --> 00:41:31.409
came to like full on non-citizens voting, yeah, maybe you
744
00:41:31.429 --> 00:41:33.989
only get a few thousand. I say only a few thousand,
745
00:41:34.010 --> 00:41:36.269
like there aren't a ton of elections that are determined
746
00:41:36.309 --> 00:41:37.949
by a few thousand votes, you know, maybe you only
747
00:41:37.989 --> 00:41:40.989
get a few thousand, a few tens of thousands, um,
748
00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:45.300
of people in California who are illegally registered. Maybe it's
749
00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:47.280
even more than that, but you know what you're definitely
750
00:41:47.300 --> 00:41:51.199
going to get is like millions of people who maybe
751
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.179
shouldn't be registered because they live in other states or
752
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:59.030
things like that, that show, or just it sheds light
753
00:41:59.139 --> 00:42:03.449
on how insecure the mail-out balloting schemes are, that there's
754
00:42:03.650 --> 00:42:07.840
no integrity to the process. But The Leslie Stahl, I
755
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.699
just looked up her age while we were talking and
756
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.090
she is 84 years old. And that is sad to me.
757
00:42:13.650 --> 00:42:17.050
When I'm 84, I hope if I get to be,
758
00:42:17.170 --> 00:42:20.090
if God blesses me with 84 years of age, I
759
00:42:20.150 --> 00:42:24.070
pray to God that I'm enjoying my great grandchildren by
760
00:42:24.090 --> 00:42:27.050
that point. You know, just sitting around, Gam Gam gets
761
00:42:27.090 --> 00:42:31.199
to talk to all this, like all of these many children, grandchildren,
762
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:34.199
great grandchildren. I pray that's my life. Not that I'm
763
00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:37.960
hustling Democrat propaganda all for 60 minutes.
764
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.829
Okay. I hope I'll be in my flying car in Montana.
765
00:42:42.409 --> 00:42:43.570
by myself and my wife.
766
00:42:44.170 --> 00:42:44.389
Go on.
767
00:42:44.929 --> 00:42:48.230
She has this bit where she quotes someone from Fulton County,
768
00:42:48.289 --> 00:42:52.210
who I think got in Fulton County, didn't get raided
769
00:42:52.289 --> 00:42:54.260
by the FBI, but like the FBI went in to
770
00:42:54.300 --> 00:42:57.340
look at their systems. And this person said, never did
771
00:42:57.460 --> 00:43:01.199
I ever think that I in Fulton County would have
772
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.300
to talk to the FBI. And at no point does
773
00:43:04.340 --> 00:43:07.739
she go through the reality, which is even the Biden
774
00:43:07.780 --> 00:43:11.969
administration had a consent decree out on Fulton County because
775
00:43:12.010 --> 00:43:14.630
of how poorly they run elections. It doesn't go through
776
00:43:14.670 --> 00:43:18.010
how two of the five Fulton County election judges were
777
00:43:18.130 --> 00:43:21.670
unable to certify the results of the 2020 election, and
778
00:43:21.710 --> 00:43:24.320
not for crazy reasons, for like really basic reasons, like
779
00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:27.119
they said they had this polling station open, but they didn't,
780
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.179
or they didn't have oversight at this polling station, or
781
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:33.820
they didn't verify signatures, like actual reasons why you have
782
00:43:35.659 --> 00:43:39.559
people overseeing elections And it's just straight up propaganda and
783
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.440
it's infuriating to me. And so if you, I think
784
00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:44.059
there's like a full on push right now to attack
785
00:43:44.179 --> 00:43:47.519
election integrity and people who push for it. So just be,
786
00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:51.380
have your antenna up and be really skeptical of what
787
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:54.239
you're reading from or seeing from 60 minutes and the like.
788
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.710
Also, um, It's a big political issue for them.
789
00:44:00.809 --> 00:44:03.389
So they need to they need to keep continue with
790
00:44:03.409 --> 00:44:07.050
the Jim Crow 2.0 and all of that to appeal
791
00:44:07.190 --> 00:44:10.769
to to try to appeal to African-American voters and other
792
00:44:10.869 --> 00:44:13.750
constituencies within their coalition.
793
00:44:13.829 --> 00:44:17.510
Right. So that's part of it as well. Even even
794
00:44:17.550 --> 00:44:19.809
when they know it's not true. All right.
795
00:44:19.849 --> 00:44:25.039
Let's do culture. I. Just sent in my first run
796
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.590
at my manuscript. So maybe I'll watch some TV in
797
00:44:27.610 --> 00:44:29.199
the next couple of weeks, even though I still have
798
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:31.170
a lot of work to do. So I don't have much,
799
00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:32.650
but I will ask you, what do you have?
800
00:44:32.670 --> 00:44:36.329
I just first off want to say congratulations. I know
801
00:44:36.389 --> 00:44:38.409
what a relief it is when you get that first
802
00:44:38.989 --> 00:44:40.989
thing sent out. I don't know if people who don't
803
00:44:41.050 --> 00:44:43.849
write books realize that that's like a third of the
804
00:44:43.889 --> 00:44:48.139
process where you are now. But it is amazing. It
805
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:52.840
is a huge obstacle to overcome. So congratulations.
806
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.469
The worst part for me, again, most people probably don't care.
807
00:44:57.510 --> 00:44:59.969
But the worst thing for me is the the next process,
808
00:45:00.010 --> 00:45:03.809
the editing part, rewriting, moving things around. Once I'm done
809
00:45:03.849 --> 00:45:05.789
with writing something, I never want to see it again.
810
00:45:06.090 --> 00:45:09.559
But yet a lot of that goes on. Anyway, I'm
811
00:45:09.579 --> 00:45:10.070
happy about it.
812
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:10.460
So thank you.
813
00:45:11.179 --> 00:45:14.119
I'm in this really blissful part of the book writing process,
814
00:45:14.179 --> 00:45:16.780
which is that the book was written over the previous
815
00:45:16.820 --> 00:45:19.449
five years. It came out in April. I'm still speaking
816
00:45:19.730 --> 00:45:22.769
on it like all the time. I'm speaking on it
817
00:45:22.809 --> 00:45:31.940
this week. It's Americans Advancing Freedom Group. I Justice Alito
818
00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:34.599
my book was on Justice Alito and Justice Alito has
819
00:45:34.659 --> 00:45:36.519
his own book out which is a collection of his
820
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.179
speeches and so when I first started writing that Alito
821
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.610
book I felt like everyone should know about him and
822
00:45:42.699 --> 00:45:44.929
nobody's talking about him at the level that they should
823
00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.590
be talking about him but now I feel like not
824
00:45:47.630 --> 00:45:50.050
like a mission accomplished type thing but definitely there's a
825
00:45:50.070 --> 00:45:52.309
lot more interest in him and his book just hit
826
00:45:52.329 --> 00:45:55.969
the bestseller list so it's just like a nice time
827
00:45:55.989 --> 00:45:59.960
to be talking about it because the audience is there Sure.
828
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.119
There's a lot of talk about Alito.
829
00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:09.119
So I went to a Morrissey show last week and
830
00:46:09.139 --> 00:46:11.380
it was the third time I'd had tickets to a
831
00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:14.420
Morrissey show, but the first time I had actually had
832
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:18.389
him show up. So he's kind of notorious for canceling
833
00:46:18.469 --> 00:46:22.010
last minute or not even last minute, just canceling. So
834
00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:26.590
it was such a good show. I really, really loved it.
835
00:46:26.969 --> 00:46:31.460
And, um, Does he sing Smith songs or just his
836
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:32.159
solo stuff?
837
00:46:32.570 --> 00:46:37.789
He does it from throughout his career. So it includes, yes, some.
838
00:46:38.349 --> 00:46:40.909
The backup band was good. It's no Johnny Marr, but
839
00:46:40.949 --> 00:46:43.989
it was good. So the show was great. It was
840
00:46:44.050 --> 00:46:47.590
at the Anthem. David Marcus was there, which was great.
841
00:46:47.630 --> 00:46:48.969
I was looking at this guy and I was like, oh,
842
00:46:48.989 --> 00:46:51.349
I like his sweatshirt. And then I was like, wait,
843
00:46:51.429 --> 00:46:54.570
is that David Marcus? And of course, David Marcus would
844
00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:55.920
be at a Morrissey show.
845
00:46:56.260 --> 00:46:58.059
And he never shuts up about Morrissey.
846
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.219
He'd been to so many that he was like, OK,
847
00:47:01.260 --> 00:47:03.739
so here's how it's going to go. You know, he'll
848
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.639
start promptly at eight and right at nine thirty. There's
849
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.719
no opening act because he doesn't want to split the
850
00:47:10.030 --> 00:47:14.130
ticket sales. But Morrissey's got to be like sixty five
851
00:47:14.170 --> 00:47:19.269
or something. He sounded his voice is just really holding up.
852
00:47:20.269 --> 00:47:22.559
And the show is fairly simple, but good. And there
853
00:47:22.579 --> 00:47:24.869
was this one song that I'd heard before, but I.
854
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.800
It just felt different when he performed it called I
855
00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:33.909
Know It's Over. And it was a very emotional thing
856
00:47:33.969 --> 00:47:35.690
to be there and hear him sing it. You could
857
00:47:35.710 --> 00:47:40.550
just feel him caring about the song. And then he
858
00:47:40.590 --> 00:47:43.389
also was doing some other interesting things like crossing himself
859
00:47:43.449 --> 00:47:46.929
a lot. And I was like, did he convert to Christianity?
860
00:47:46.949 --> 00:47:47.809
I don't know.
861
00:47:47.829 --> 00:47:48.820
He has. He has.
862
00:47:49.789 --> 00:47:54.170
It's so difficult to nail down his ideological view of
863
00:47:54.210 --> 00:47:57.289
the world because he's often being, I think he's been
864
00:47:57.349 --> 00:48:01.050
critical of, of immigration, but yet he, you know, he's
865
00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:06.769
very anti, obviously anti-monarchy, but he may, he may be.
866
00:48:06.789 --> 00:48:09.269
I have, I know.
867
00:48:09.210 --> 00:48:13.429
Nothing about Morrissey's Morrissey's solo stuff.
868
00:48:13.469 --> 00:48:14.900
I've never listened to any of it.
869
00:48:15.530 --> 00:48:17.389
And the other thing I liked is there were a
870
00:48:17.829 --> 00:48:21.760
ton of people our age, David, but there were also
871
00:48:21.820 --> 00:48:23.639
a ton of kids. And I think it's because he
872
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:26.360
keeps on making music too. It's not just.
873
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:27.719
No, no.
874
00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:30.900
We've talked about how like, because of streaming time is
875
00:48:30.940 --> 00:48:33.940
a flat circle. So everything's available all the time. My
876
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:35.059
kids like the Smiths too.
877
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:40.989
So that was a great show. I went, I had
878
00:48:41.030 --> 00:48:47.110
a day trip with, um, friends uh to middleburg which
879
00:48:47.150 --> 00:48:50.539
was great and why am i mentioning that did i
880
00:48:50.579 --> 00:48:54.800
get any albums no and then on sunday i did
881
00:48:54.860 --> 00:48:58.679
go see or no saturday i saw you can see
882
00:48:58.820 --> 00:49:02.489
everything yeah And I asked you to watch it so
883
00:49:02.530 --> 00:49:05.269
we could talk about it. And you flatly refused.
884
00:49:05.570 --> 00:49:07.989
Can I can I give more context to that? You
885
00:49:08.030 --> 00:49:13.510
asked me to watch it last night. We were recording
886
00:49:13.570 --> 00:49:15.690
less than I don't know how many hours, so I
887
00:49:15.750 --> 00:49:17.570
could not pull that together for the show.
888
00:49:17.590 --> 00:49:17.659
But.
889
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:26.980
But people seem very taken by it um it's about
890
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.070
elizabeth holmes the the fraud who right who who came
891
00:49:31.150 --> 00:49:33.289
up with i forgot what it was well why don't
892
00:49:33.309 --> 00:49:33.789
you tell us.
893
00:49:33.750 --> 00:49:37.070
What it's about it's it It's pitched as.
894
00:49:37.010 --> 00:49:41.059
If it's a documentary about Elizabeth Holmes shortly before she
895
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:45.719
starts serving her 11 year prison sentence. It's really about
896
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.539
so much more than that, that I can't talk about
897
00:49:49.619 --> 00:49:52.070
without giving things away. So I think maybe what we
898
00:49:52.110 --> 00:49:54.369
should do is just wait a week and then that
899
00:49:54.409 --> 00:49:56.469
gives everybody a chance to go see it. Who's going
900
00:49:56.489 --> 00:49:57.949
to see it. And then the rest of the people
901
00:49:58.050 --> 00:50:01.719
don't care, but I, I do think it was a,
902
00:50:01.710 --> 00:50:08.380
an incredibly well done film. I, hate documentaries. Like I
903
00:50:08.420 --> 00:50:12.519
watched documentaries, but I hate the overly manipulative ones. Like,
904
00:50:12.820 --> 00:50:14.280
did you ever see supersize me?
905
00:50:14.300 --> 00:50:15.659
Yeah.
906
00:50:15.969 --> 00:50:17.860
I wrote a whole chapter in my book, nanny state
907
00:50:17.909 --> 00:50:20.730
about what, how manipulative and what a lie that that
908
00:50:20.769 --> 00:50:21.949
movie was. Yeah. Yeah.
909
00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:24.070
I went, I saw it with my friend Megan Keene
910
00:50:24.309 --> 00:50:26.630
and we immediately left the theater and went to a
911
00:50:26.670 --> 00:50:31.130
Wendy's and ordered fries. Like I was so angry at
912
00:50:31.190 --> 00:50:35.329
how obviously manipulative it was. And if you have that
913
00:50:35.389 --> 00:50:37.670
kind of perspective as I do about how much you
914
00:50:37.710 --> 00:50:43.039
hate documentaries, I think you will love this one. Um,
915
00:50:45.139 --> 00:50:49.500
and I do think it's, I hope it destroys the
916
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:54.909
documentary genre. I do. Nathan Fielder is, is, did a
917
00:50:54.949 --> 00:51:00.110
really good job. I found Elizabeth Holmes and her so-called husband.
918
00:51:00.190 --> 00:51:02.110
Cause I don't think they're actually married to be a
919
00:51:02.250 --> 00:51:06.579
fascinating couple. And then there are four main characters and
920
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.159
you can't really say who the fourth main character is
921
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.539
without ruining it. And I thought that character was the
922
00:51:12.619 --> 00:51:17.360
most evil of the bunch. So if you kind of
923
00:51:17.389 --> 00:51:21.489
understand each of them as a character, the Nathan Fielder character,
924
00:51:21.550 --> 00:51:24.030
I think is, is a, is a great character. I
925
00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:27.010
think he does the clown nose on clown nose off
926
00:51:27.050 --> 00:51:34.849
thing better than anybody. Um, his timing is impeccable and, um, People.
927
00:51:34.630 --> 00:51:38.780
Have suggested I watch his show, you know, that show
928
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:39.199
he does.
929
00:51:39.219 --> 00:51:43.260
Maybe it's on HBO, I think. I have not.
930
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.619
Sounds like something I would probably be into, sort of.
931
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.659
And this sounds like a movie I definitely a documentary
932
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.000
I definitely want to watch. I just want to say
933
00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.619
it as widespread critical acclaim. And it's making a ton
934
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:55.989
of money for a documentary.
935
00:51:56.010 --> 00:51:56.650
A ton.
936
00:51:58.409 --> 00:51:59.869
And documentaries aren't real.
937
00:51:59.929 --> 00:52:00.550
This is a film.
938
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.039
And it should be up for like, I don't think
939
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.239
it's the best film of the year. Maybe it is.
940
00:52:05.300 --> 00:52:09.820
I don't know. But it's about so many things about
941
00:52:09.860 --> 00:52:13.159
the nature of reality and how we ascertain truth. And
942
00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:16.510
it's sort of like annoying me how much people are
943
00:52:16.570 --> 00:52:18.349
talking about it because then it makes you want to
944
00:52:18.409 --> 00:52:20.429
say like, that's not that great. But it really is
945
00:52:21.070 --> 00:52:24.670
a really good film. And I'm not saying by that
946
00:52:24.690 --> 00:52:26.630
that I don't have a ton of beef with it
947
00:52:26.730 --> 00:52:31.760
about different things. But I really liked how it kind
948
00:52:31.780 --> 00:52:36.099
of forces some critical thinking for a screen age. And
949
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.139
that's something that I think a lot of kids don't
950
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.030
get in their regular education. So I'm hoping it works
951
00:52:42.050 --> 00:52:43.530
that way. But then I also watched it with an
952
00:52:43.650 --> 00:52:47.530
audience full of absolute left-wing idiots, which did not give
953
00:52:47.570 --> 00:52:51.230
me much hope for their ability to think critically based
954
00:52:51.269 --> 00:52:52.769
on their reaction to different parts.
955
00:52:53.369 --> 00:52:55.050
It's funny that you just said that because I was
956
00:52:55.130 --> 00:52:58.550
thinking about as you were speaking about this, that everything
957
00:52:58.590 --> 00:53:01.329
I watch lately, I feel is so formulaic that it's boring,
958
00:53:01.429 --> 00:53:03.679
even when I kind of like what it's about or
959
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:07.280
the aesthetics or whatever, that I am, I think, thirsting
960
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.760
to watch something that challenges me in some way or
961
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.769
gives me something different. And this sounds like a movie
962
00:53:12.789 --> 00:53:14.489
that would probably do that.
963
00:53:14.809 --> 00:53:16.869
I had this.
964
00:53:17.650 --> 00:53:21.639
Realization once when looking at an absolutely beautiful piece of
965
00:53:21.659 --> 00:53:24.780
art done by a nobody that was for sale for
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just a few hundred dollars. And I realized somehow something
967
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that I'm sure everyone else realized at a much younger age,
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because I can be stupid this way that. so much
969
00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:41.019
of what makes the difference between so-called great art and
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00:53:41.260 --> 00:53:44.219
stuff you've never heard of is the marketing of it.
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Like you get a really good gallery owner behind you.
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You have a really good story related to your art.
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You can end up selling a lot of it for
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00:53:54.030 --> 00:53:59.420
high price. And I think that same principle applies to
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00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.820
a lot of businesses. Clearly there are some businesses that
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are just providing a great service for the right price
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and they're able to skyrocket. There's also a lot of
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00:54:10.429 --> 00:54:14.110
stuff in corporations, theory of the firm type stuff, where
979
00:54:14.429 --> 00:54:17.349
sometimes it's about just marketing yourself in a certain way.
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00:54:17.409 --> 00:54:23.300
There's a lot of, you know, bluster involved. Good investors
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00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.159
are the ones who can kind of determine who's doing
982
00:54:26.179 --> 00:54:29.420
the bluster and who's really got the goods and it's
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00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.460
sometimes hard to tell like i think for many many
984
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:34.389
years i just thought elon musk was a total shyster
985
00:54:34.909 --> 00:54:38.769
and then i realized like oh it's like he's really
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doing good products here did.
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00:54:40.789 --> 00:54:43.570
You see that car that that basically flies that he
988
00:54:43.610 --> 00:54:48.239
just made can't stop watching it yeah i would love
989
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.679
to have that also i don't know how.
990
00:54:50.579 --> 00:54:53.340
You test it out alive at this time to see
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00:54:53.380 --> 00:54:56.400
stuff like that And I saw all these idiots being like, oh,
992
00:54:56.420 --> 00:55:00.260
it only flew for six seconds. It's not really flying.
993
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It's it's whatever.
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And it's like, just enjoy the beauty of it.
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Wasn't the first phone call like three seconds long? Like
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you have to start somewhere.
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00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.039
How long was the first flight? I don't know, but
998
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it wasn't that long.
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You know, it barely was a flight. It was basically
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just a crashing. Right. And yeah.
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Anyway, my point being. I think Elizabeth Holmes maybe saw
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that a lot of what passes for billionaire tech bro,
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00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.690
exciting business is about the marketing and the PR. And
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00:55:30.730 --> 00:55:33.929
she just went way into that and not enough into
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00:55:33.949 --> 00:55:36.250
the actual product. And then it all came crashing down.
1006
00:55:37.099 --> 00:55:38.699
Can we just say, and I have not seen this,
1007
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.219
that the media sucks, that you can really fool them
1008
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:46.130
very easily. And because a lot of people who cover topics,
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I see this in foreign foreign affairs, for instance, I'm
1010
00:55:48.769 --> 00:55:50.570
sure it's the same in technology, which I have no
1011
00:55:50.610 --> 00:55:53.530
expertise on, is that they actually don't understand their beats
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00:55:53.570 --> 00:55:55.820
very well. And so it's very easy to fool them
1013
00:55:55.860 --> 00:55:58.460
like the echo chamber stuff with Ben Rhodes and so on.
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00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.519
So that was obviously a part of this.
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00:56:01.579 --> 00:56:03.929
And, and also the speed in which our media has to,
1016
00:56:04.070 --> 00:56:06.429
has to come up with new interesting stories for people
1017
00:56:06.449 --> 00:56:10.250
to get excited about is, is insane. Nothing we can
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00:56:10.289 --> 00:56:12.849
do about that. And we could hire better media people
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00:56:12.889 --> 00:56:15.679
or smarter ones or more curious ones or more skeptical ones.
1020
00:56:15.739 --> 00:56:16.599
That would be helpful.
1021
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:18.739
Okay.
1022
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.119
I have two more things really quickly. Yeah. One is
1023
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.710
that Mark went to see sugar. In Brooklyn this past week.
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00:56:25.949 --> 00:56:27.210
They're on a reunion tour.
1025
00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:29.650
It was Bob Mould's birthday on the day he saw me,
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00:56:29.829 --> 00:56:31.510
which I knew and I was very happy because I
1027
00:56:31.530 --> 00:56:35.230
heard it on XM. And then the other thing is
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00:56:35.909 --> 00:56:39.570
that I want more respect from you because tonight I
1029
00:56:39.769 --> 00:56:42.530
am going to a reception for Washington, D.C. 's most
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00:56:42.690 --> 00:56:46.369
powerful women, of which I am one.
1031
00:56:47.489 --> 00:56:48.050
That's amazing.
1032
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Thank you.
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00:56:48.630 --> 00:56:50.610
Is there a list or are you just all powerful?
1034
00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:52.730
It's a long list.
1035
00:56:53.989 --> 00:56:56.329
So what number are you? Number two.
1036
00:56:56.429 --> 00:56:58.739
It's not a list like that. It's just a lot
1037
00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:02.679
of women and it's Washingtonian magazine. And I am so
1038
00:57:03.260 --> 00:57:05.960
feeling bad about myself that I'm on this list because
1039
00:57:06.139 --> 00:57:11.510
I've prided myself on doing amazing things with no recognition.
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00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.889
And I always feel like they recognize people who aren't
1041
00:57:13.929 --> 00:57:16.800
that effective. And so being on the list makes me
1042
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.340
feel like I'm losing my edge.
1043
00:57:18.500 --> 00:57:19.679
It's all downhill from here.
1044
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:20.400
Yeah.
1045
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.780
No, that's not true. You could be recognized.
1046
00:57:24.820 --> 00:57:30.469
No, I think people who recognize, like when the left
1047
00:57:30.510 --> 00:57:35.690
wing institutions control these recognition societies that, Being on there
1048
00:57:35.769 --> 00:57:36.829
is a mark against you.
1049
00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:39.570
Is this run by a certain organization?
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00:57:39.849 --> 00:57:41.329
Washingtonian Magazine.
1051
00:57:41.389 --> 00:57:42.699
Oh, Washington. Oh, yeah.
1052
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.199
So I resolve to behave in such a way that
1053
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I immediately get removed from the list.
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00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:51.139
Do you give a speech?
1055
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:52.559
No, it's just.
1056
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:54.760
Oh, yeah.
1057
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:55.320
Interesting.
1058
00:57:55.699 --> 00:57:58.539
Congratulations on being one of the most powerful women in D.C.
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I've known that for many years already.
1060
00:58:00.340 --> 00:58:05.190
And is that it? That's it.
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00:58:06.019 --> 00:58:06.449
Oh, sorry.
1062
00:58:06.489 --> 00:58:06.760
No.
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00:58:07.110 --> 00:58:11.969
Yeah. I also saw the movie about the Unabomber on Netflix.
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I was going to watch that. Is it worth it?
1065
00:58:15.250 --> 00:58:18.570
I would not say it's worth it, but my kid
1066
00:58:18.610 --> 00:58:21.329
wanted to see it. And it gave an opportunity to
1067
00:58:21.389 --> 00:58:25.550
discuss the Unabomber and his manifesto. One of my most
1068
00:58:25.809 --> 00:58:29.409
like one time I was on Gutfeld and I accidentally
1069
00:58:29.469 --> 00:58:33.610
said something kind of not as critical as you would
1070
00:58:33.670 --> 00:58:37.389
like it to be about the Unabomber's manifesto. And I'm like, well,
1071
00:58:37.429 --> 00:58:40.909
this ends my TV career. I'm done now. And then
1072
00:58:41.010 --> 00:58:44.010
Charlie Hurt just came rushing in to say that he
1073
00:58:44.050 --> 00:58:47.789
makes his own children read the manifesto before they graduate
1074
00:58:47.829 --> 00:58:49.739
from high school. And I was like, well, that's more
1075
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:53.000
offensive than what I just said. So I'm saved by
1076
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:56.920
Charlie Hurt. Um, So I've always found the Unabomber kind
1077
00:58:56.940 --> 00:59:00.320
of interesting and his arguments interesting. So often we want
1078
00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:04.449
every serial killer to be crazy. And I don't think
1079
00:59:04.489 --> 00:59:07.389
he's crazy in a conventional sense. I think there's just
1080
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evil of his ideas about. how to amplify his message.
1081
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:15.400
But I did learn one thing in the movie that
1082
00:59:15.460 --> 00:59:19.199
I was shocked by, which is that he was subjected
1083
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:25.059
to some pretty weird CIA related experiments when he was at,
1084
00:59:25.820 --> 00:59:27.760
was it Yale or Princeton? I can't remember.
1085
00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:30.539
Not Harvard? I don't know. One of the one of those.
1086
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.280
I'm sorry, but I was like, that's not true. And
1087
00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:34.500
then I looked it up and I was like, oh,
1088
00:59:35.059 --> 00:59:38.820
that is completely true. Like really weird psychological treatment.
1089
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:41.909
And you'll notice that I don't know if this movie
1090
00:59:41.949 --> 00:59:45.610
does or does not depict him as a left wing terrorist,
1091
00:59:45.650 --> 00:59:47.889
which is what he was. He was he was a
1092
00:59:48.230 --> 00:59:52.190
great I mean, he's an anti-humanist, essentially, and a radical
1093
00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:53.610
environmentalist in many ways.
1094
00:59:53.690 --> 00:59:56.130
No. Yeah, I don't know if it I don't think
1095
00:59:56.150 --> 00:59:59.510
it concealed that. I don't think it emphasized that this
1096
00:59:59.570 --> 01:00:04.130
is a man of the left, but wasn't hiding some
1097
01:00:04.170 --> 01:00:06.769
of his... I don't know. I feel like he's a
1098
01:00:06.909 --> 01:00:12.860
little hard to categorize in that way. But back to
1099
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:17.940
the CIA stuff. If you read Chaos about the Manson murders,
1100
01:00:18.139 --> 01:00:20.989
it's kind of alarming how much of the Manson family
1101
01:00:21.070 --> 01:00:28.590
was picked up in various CIA-related experiments. And you just
1102
01:00:28.670 --> 01:00:31.570
wonder like how much, how many bad things can you
1103
01:00:31.630 --> 01:00:37.030
do as an agency with legit death tolls and still
1104
01:00:37.050 --> 01:00:39.489
get to keep operating? And I guess we'll find out.
1105
01:00:41.909 --> 01:00:43.449
Well, I don't know. I'll have to look into all
1106
01:00:43.469 --> 01:00:43.829
of that.
1107
01:00:44.789 --> 01:00:46.690
Have you read chaos? Haven't we talked about this?
1108
01:00:47.309 --> 01:00:49.269
You've mentioned it and I have not read it.
1109
01:00:50.010 --> 01:00:52.309
I love it because it doesn't try to overstate what
1110
01:00:52.349 --> 01:00:55.820
it finds. It just, kind of explains that the official
1111
01:00:55.940 --> 01:01:00.820
story about Manson doesn't really add up without saying that
1112
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.170
there's some grand conspiracy. Even like what it talks about
1113
01:01:04.210 --> 01:01:09.010
with the CIA experiments related to acid, it's not written
1114
01:01:09.070 --> 01:01:11.610
in a like, you know, and then they did this
1115
01:01:11.630 --> 01:01:12.829
and then they did that. It's just kind of a
1116
01:01:12.869 --> 01:01:15.409
very straightforward analysis of what they were trying to do
1117
01:01:15.550 --> 01:01:18.599
and why and how the experiments unfolded.
1118
01:01:20.090 --> 01:01:22.550
My list, it's on my list of to read books,
1119
01:01:22.989 --> 01:01:26.110
but that list is inoperable because there's like 200 books
1120
01:01:26.230 --> 01:01:26.469
on it.
1121
01:01:26.590 --> 01:01:27.969
So I don't know what to do. I'm going to
1122
01:01:28.010 --> 01:01:30.150
have to whittle it down or get a new list.
1123
01:01:30.309 --> 01:01:33.869
But if you have more books for me to read,
1124
01:01:33.909 --> 01:01:36.829
you can send them to radio at the Federalist dot com.
1125
01:01:36.849 --> 01:01:38.880
If you'd like to congratulate Molly on being one of
1126
01:01:38.909 --> 01:01:42.280
the most important women in history, you can write her
1127
01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:46.159
there as well. And we'll be back next week. Until then,
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01:01:46.219 --> 01:01:48.059
be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.