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Welcome to "Writing While Distracted," the podcast that transforms scattered thoughts into literary brilliance. I'm Brenda Murphy, your neuro-spicy writing coach, and today, we're diving into the art of dialogue in your writing.
Dialogue can make or break a novel, and for many, it’s the most challenging part of storytelling. Whether you're neurodivergent or neurotypical, our unique perspectives can add depth and authenticity to dialogue. In this episode, we explore strategies to polish your dialogue, making it natural, purposeful, and character-driven.
Learn how to cut out filler words, balance dialogue with action, and use subtext to convey emotions and relationships. We discuss the importance of avoiding info dumps and how to effectively tag dialogue with actions rather than overusing "he said, she said."
We also delve into the technical aspects of punctuating dialogue and offer insights from classic and contemporary films that excel in dialogue. By the end of this episode, you'll be equipped with the tools to create engaging and authentic conversations in your writing.
Join us next time on "Writing While Distracted" as we continue to unravel the mysteries of the writer's mind. Until then, keep writing, keep wandering, and embrace the distractions that fuel your creativity.
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Revisions and Editing Steps
To recap the process, I use to get my rough as hell draft to a finished product to send to an editor, publisher, or out on submission is:
- Round1: Revisions: structure, pacing, character arcs, genre conventions, continuity, and attending to items that require research.
- Round 2: Language: word choice, refining prose, pacing, dialogue, scene descriptions, character descriptions, continuity. *At this point I send it to my beta readers.
- Round 3: Proofing: Suggestions from Beta readers, grammar, spelling, punctuation, copy edits, line edits formatting for submission or publication. Copy edits, line edits.
- Round 4: Final proofing read through before submission or publishing.
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Hello, and welcome to Writing While Distracted, the writing podcast that helps
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you transform your scattered thoughts into literary brilliance.
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I'm your host, Brenda Murphy, your neuro-spicy writing coach.
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And today, we're going to talk about my favorite part of revision.
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And I know I've said that about several parts of revision, but I truly enjoy polishing my dialogue.
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And that's what we're going to discuss next. So stay tuned.
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Hello, friends, and welcome back to Writing While Distracted.
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And today, as I said before, we're going to talk about dialogue and dig deep
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into a topic that I really feel can make or break a novel.
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And writing dialogue for a lot of people is the most difficult part of constructing
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a story. And it can be particularly challenging for folks who are neurodivergent.
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Whether you're on the autism spectrum, have ADHD, or whatever else,
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you might experience communication differently.
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And that's a strength, because we can bring a fresh perspective to dialogue.
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And today we're going to share some strategies to help you make the most out of your strengths.
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First of all, we want to keep our dialogue when we're doing revisions.
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This is when I'm talking about not, and you can try it the first time around,
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but I often find that I need to polish my dialogue because whatever I spill
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out on the page during my first go at a manuscript is not my best work.
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And that's the point. It's a rough draft. You want to polish it and make it be the best it can be.
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So the first thing you want to do with dialogue is you want to keep it natural, but not boring.
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During a typical communication, we use a lot of fillers, we wander in our conversations.
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It can really trip you up in trying to make your dialogue sound like real-life conversations.
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But real-life conversations are messy. We go off on tangents,
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we use filler words, We interrupt each other, and there are pauses as we gather our thoughts.
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And that's okay while we're in person, but in a novel, trying to fit all of
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that in is going to make your dialogue soggy and weak and confusing.
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So you need to cut out the small talk and the filler words and make the conversation
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flow and move your story forward. That's the other part of dialogue.
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It shouldn't be dialogue simply for dialogue's sake. It should move your story forward.
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It should advance the plot or show us something about your character or about what's going to happen.
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It can be used for foreshadowing. It can be used to demonstrate fears that your character has.
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There's so many functions of dialogue. It is so critical to your story.
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People use contractions in real life. They don't typically say I am or do not.
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However, people speak differently depending on their upbringing,
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how they live their lives, their education, where they're from,
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where the story is set, time period.
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There are so many things that fall into that formal versus informal conversation.
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We also speak more formally with those people we don't know very well versus
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the people that we do know.
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So there are levels to conversation and you can show characters getting to know each other,
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becoming more comfortable when they drop formal speech and fall into what would
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be more speech that you would have occur between friends or lovers or intimate people.
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I mean, those are the kinds of things you can show with dialogue,
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the progression of a relationship with how people speak to each other.
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You want to be mindful of people's relationships with how they communicate with each other.
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And as neurodivergent writers, we may think a little differently about communication.
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Maybe you're someone who prefers directness, or maybe you're more into subtlety.
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Either way, dialogue is a great way to show a character's personalities and
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emotions without having to explain it.
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And we all know that explaining things are not what our readers want.
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They want to see it on the page. They want to experience it,
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if you will, through the dialogue. It is the soundtrack of your novel.
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Your dialogue is your soundtrack of the novel.
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That's what keeps the story flowing, is your dialogue.
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So instead of telling your readers that she was nervous, you're going to let
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the dialogue, let her manner of speaking show you that she's nervous or bored
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or angry or whatever the emotion is.
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Using words and manner of speaking is going to show that to your readers.
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And here's the tricky part about dialogue. You want to pay attention to the
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subtext. There are times that you can show your characters talking about one
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thing, but we all know as readers, that's not really what they're talking about.
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And that happens in everyday life. And so you want to bring that into your story.
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They may be discussing the oil change for the car, but that's not really what they're discussing.
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They're discussing their relationship, couched, and who's responsible for getting
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the oil changed in the car.
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And those are the kinds of everyday things you can build into your novel using those conversations.
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What's being said is important, but there's a whole story that can go into what is not being said.
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You can show that through short clipped sentences, by what they leave unsaid.
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And hint at the character's emotions by using dialogue tags to show what they're doing.
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If you have a character slamming a pot onto a stove and ripping the lid off
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a box of pasta and dumping it into the boiling water,
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those are all abrupt, angry-appearing emotions or upset emotions.
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But if her dialogue doesn't match that, clipped dialogue, short sentences, or non-responses.
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The mismatch can either be purposeful in that she's one of those people that
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doesn't say when she's upset, or it can be because she's just tired of explaining
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the same dang thing again over and over.
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It can show a deterioration in their relationship.
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So use your dialogue tags. Now, dialogue tags.
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When I'm talking about that is the very ubiquitous, he said, she said.
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Personally, I'm not a fan of he said, she said, because very infrequently do
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people ever just stand still during a conversation.
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They're doing things, fiddling with a pen, rubbing the table,
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folding their hands, doing things that you can use to show your reader who's speaking.
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Now, he said, she said, disappear, but overuse of that is absolutely monotonous.
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And if you want an idea of how.
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Difficult it is for the reader's brain. Now, people say, oh,
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readers just skip over that. Well, readers do.
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But if your story is being read out loud, if your reader's using machine speech-to-text,
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whatever, you are going to notice how absolutely annoying it is to hear he said,
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she said, every other line of dialogue.
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Sometimes if you know who's speaking, you only have two people speaking.
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You only have to tag one person with an action. I think that dialogue is such
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a deep subject that the more you know about it, the more you listen to dialogue.
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Whenever I'm struggling with dialogue, I go back and I watch movies from the
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30s and 40s when they were first bringing talking into movies because,
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you know, there were silent films before that.
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But a lot of the films that they made were based on stage plays,
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which is another great place to study dialogue or movies, all of that.
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Watch how the story unfolds with dialogue and watch what the characters are
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doing while they're speaking.
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That will help you get into the mindset of how to tag your speakers with actions
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versus he said, she said. As we're talking about tagging dialogue with actions,
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that's the other part of your story you want to pay attention.
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Balance your dialogue, your interchanges with characters, with actions in the story.
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Too much of either thing is boring. You need to have the dialogue flow into
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natural breaks in the story.
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No one breaks into a very long monologue in the middle of a fistfight.
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Yes, they might say some things in a fistfight.
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But believe me, no one is going to give them time to stand back and have an
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entire page of dialogue unless the fistfight is over and somebody is laying
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on the ground so that they can talk.
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So don't do that. Don't have these long, drawn-out passages of dialogue while
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people are doing things.
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Balance it. You can have them talk while they're walking. You might have them
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chat a wee bit while they're running.
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But remember the natural pace of what they're doing and try and balance that out within your story.
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The other thing when you tag your actions is don't use those L-Y words.
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And I'm going to give you an example. He said tapping his foot anxiously.
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Now, you can say he tapped his foot it.
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But don't use anxiously. Use another description to say how it was.
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His foot hit the floor with a rapid staccato.
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Or he tapped his foot. You can leave it there and have the reader understand
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from the way he delivers his words that he's anxious or angry or frustrated.
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Use the words in your dialogue to show someone's emotion.
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The tag that you're using, he tapped his foot, they rolled the program tighter
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in their hands, balled their hands into a fist, whatever other tag you want
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to put in there, have it match what's going on in the words.
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Don't use those L-Y words. They're just a waste of space and redundant.
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Your dialogue should be able to convey that emotion. motion.
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Now, info dumps. A lot of first-time writers are really prone to info dumps.
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You'll hear that as, you see Bob, or as you know Bob, and then the person will
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go on and drone on and on about parts of the story that the other person already knew.
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And don't do that. That makes for the worst kind of writing.
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Don't say, I know you're mad at me for being late again.
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Don't do that. You can have the person walk in the door and just say sorry,
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and the other person angrily reheating dinner, have those actions going on.
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And then the person who was late, I couldn't help it. I had to stay late.
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And then just leave it because the other person turns around and glares at them.
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And at that point, they know that no explanation is going to save this relationship.
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That's what I'm talking about for dialogue.
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Imagine it in your head as it would be in real life. You wouldn't walk in the
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door and say that in real life. I know you're mad at me again.
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Well, you might, but it doesn't make for good reading. So don't do that.
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Information dumps also about research, like say your character's an expert in something.
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Don't have them go on for three or four pages about why something is the way it is.
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Even if it serves your plot, break it up and only put in the key points and
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have it be a natural sort of exchange.
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Have the other person ask why questions that then that person has to answer.
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Or you can say, I don't believe you. How is that possible?
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Or what are you talking about? And then they have an opportunity to explain, but keep it short.
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Don't write a dissertation about whatever it is. Have your character speak a
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dissertation about whatever it is the other person asked them a question about.
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Again, that makes for a boring book and not something someone wants to read,
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and they're going to skim over your dialogue. Now, the technical side of punctuating
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your dialogue is one of those things that your copy editor will help you with.
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But remember, there are tags like said, asked. Asked is another one you can use.
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However, if there's a question mark at the end of your sentence,
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I would submit that asked is redundant and I don't personally use it.
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But if there's a way that someone says something, as in whispered or shouted
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or muttered, those are great because that tells you tone.
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But remember, don't say, he said, get out, angrily.
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We should get that from the tone. And think about the tone.
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Get out, he shouted, versus get out, he whispered. two different tones and points in your story.
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One could be absolutely menacing, the other just an everyday occurrence.
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Who knows? But my point is, use your dialogue to convey the tone and the atmosphere of your story.
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And use those tags wisely and forget the L-Y tags, please.
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Silences are just as powerful. Your character not responding to another character's
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dialogue or stopping themselves from continuing a line of dialogue can be very,
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very powerful in the storytelling toolbox.
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The things that your characters don't say carry emotional weight.
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Or if a character is hesitant, or if there's an awkward pause before they start,
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or if they try and busy themselves looking away, finding many other things to
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do rather than confront the situation,
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that lends power and that lends excitement to your manuscript.
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Pay attention to overly long conversations.
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Yes, it can happen.
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But if you feel the need to have a long conversation happen with your characters,
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break it up with a little bit of action in between.
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Say they've had a wonderful night together and it's the morning after,
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and it's not an awkward morning after, it's an exciting morning after.
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It's a, we're looking forward to our future morning after.
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It's, I'm not sure we're gonna leave the house morning after, if you write romance.
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Break up that happy conversation with maybe them having breakfast and then figuring
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out what they're gonna do the day.
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That's another conversation. And then whatever happens after that conversation.
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Conversation, break those scenes up.
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Don't have pages and pages and pages of dialogue without your characters doing
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something, because people will skip that, and it doesn't push your story forward.
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And lastly, be super careful of exposition. And I kind of touched on that with
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the you-see-Bob kind of conversation.
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It can feel like it would be the natural thing for someone to do to explain what just happened.
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But here's the deal. Even though that might occur in real life,
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as in my explaining this to you for a long period of time that you're purposely listening to,
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it doesn't make for good reading to have your character drone on for pages and
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pages and pages about whatever.
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You need to break that up. You need to pay attention on whether or not whatever
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they're conveying in the dialogue really needs to be part of their dialogue,
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or if you could show it through action or other ways.
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And that's an editorial decision. That's what you're doing during revision,
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looking at your dialogue and seeing how you can make it the most effective way
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to convey your story and to convey emotions and tone.
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Move your plot forward. Show character.
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Character interactions shown through dialogue is a goldmine of storytelling.
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You can learn more. You can show your readers more in a four-sentence interchange
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between a character and another character than and pages and pages of manuscript can convey.
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So always hold on to that. There are a few movies that I feel like really do
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a great job with dialogue, and they're older movies.
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One of them is the Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall classic,
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The Big Sleep. It's a detective story.
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It's kind of twisty, but the dialogue is just on point. Interestingly enough,
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the screenplay was written by William Faulkner.
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I find that a really great movie to watch again when I'm really stuck for how
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to use my dialogue effectively.
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Some modern movies that I find use a dialogue effectively are Good Will Hunting,
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Silence of the Lambs, The Big Chill, No Country for Old Men,
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The Big Lebowski, and Fargo.
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Screenwriters that I would recommend are Chloe Zhao, Shonda Rhimes,
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Diablo Cody, Misha Green, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Sofia Coppola.
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All of those screenwriters bring a freshness to their dialogue and are very,
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very good storytellers.
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So check them out as well.
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All of those movies, the thing that they have in common is their ability to
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have dialogue that conveys volumes in addition to the visuals that are going on in that story.
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And why I watch movies for dialogue is that much of a movie's success depends upon its dialogue.
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We will have books that are infinitely more readable and relatable because there's
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no room for excess in a movie script.
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You have about 90 pages to tell a story.
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And in that 90 pages, what's going to be the prominent thing?
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Dialogue. That's the most important part to convey your story.
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And there are a lot of directors of photography that'll probably argue with
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me, but I'm going to say this.
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You could have not so good filmmaking and not so good photography,
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but if your dialogue is on point, that movie is still going to be a success.
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If you have the best cinematography in the world, the most amazing amazing cinematography
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in the world and your dialogue is terrible, that movie is not going to be a success.
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There are plenty of examples of that, but I won't go into those.
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So I hope I've given you a lot to think about and to remember as you're working
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on your dialogue, remember, keep it natural, give each character their own voice,
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balance it with action, and make sure that your dialogue has a purpose.
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Remember that as a neurodivergent writer, you have a unique perspective that
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can lend strength to your dialogue, to your observations.
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Lean into that. Use your different way of experiencing the world to create dialogue
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that is engaging and authentic.
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So until next time, keep writing. I hope these tips will help you make your
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next revision process a little easier, and we'll see you again in the next podcast.
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