Ep 07. Three ducks or three dicks? (Joe Auckland)

>> Lewis: Hello and welcome to Transformative Taskmaster, the podcast by fans, for fans and about fans. This week, TK is chatting with Horne Section trumpet and banjo player Joe Auckland. They'll be discussing The Horne Section TV show, Taskmaster appearances, and trumpets. A lot of trumpets. And stick around after the interview to see TK in the hot seat to discuss some behind the scenes workings of the podcast.
>> TK: Welcome, Joe to the Transformative Taskmaster podcast.
>> Joe: Oh, thank you very much. Thanks for having me.
>> TK: Thanks for being here. So we're just going to dive right in, to the questions that I have for you, so I know that you and Alex and Ben have been friends since childhood. So how did the Horne Section come to be? Because in, the first mention of it was in 2010, in Edinburgh. But were there any, like, performances before hand, or was it just like, a funny idea that had just been brewing for a while?
>> Joe: Yeah, pretty much that. Pretty much an idea. Well, an idea which had been brewing for quite a few years that, you know, we didn't see each other that often, I suppose, well, Alex, I saw barely. I didn't see Alex that much at that point. But whatever, it would be like family Christmases, that kind of thing. We would all say, we should really do something with the, you know, you coming in on these and we're also puttering about, you know, just chopping away I suppose and we said that every year for several years. And, and then Mark, Mark came onto the scene and is a bit more dynamic, perhaps. I don't know. Anyway, he kind of, he really liked the idea. Ben and I were in a band with him, and so he was like, you know, which is a great opportunity, we should make it happen. He was, he kind of kickstarted it. We did a few warm up shows in London, but then basically went to that Edinburgh with two songs? I think maybe we had two songs and like an idea for a game, and that was it really? Yeah. It was. It was incredibly loose. The first incarnation of it, was, very dependent on guests, very guest heavy, very improvisatory and great fun, actually. Still some of my favorite such moments. But, my first Edinburgh, I think, especially as there was no expectation at all at that point. We just kind of thought we'd go up for a bit of a laugh and see what happened, and then suddenly, you know, sort of, went very well straight from the off. People came and people talking about it. And we had like the biggest names at the festival as guests. And because Alex wasn't, although Alex was, well known in kind of Edinburgh at that point, he wasn't on telly or, you know, he was on or even on the radio and particularly at that point. So he was he was still kind of feeling his way a bit as well, like so we were all sort of slightly taken aback about, how well it went initially. But like, we should probably do some work sort of, you know. Yeah. Formalizing it or just developing a bit.
>> TK: Yeah. That's cool. Did you, do you remember what two songs they were?
>> Joe: There was a song. Yeah. That did we have sort of a finale song called Sidemen, which was by Joe Stilgoe, who was in it only for the first couple of years or something like that. It was kind of a barber shop-y thing. So that was, that was the the end of the show. We’d all come back out and sing this song about being sidemen. What was the other thing? We had. We, yeah, we basically I think we had an introductory song we played at the beginning to sort of set the evening up, and then we had a few stings and things to bring guests on and off, and maybe a couple of like, we had some romantic music, but, you know, we had a few things to fall back on. But but yeah, in terms of our material, it was very, very limited. As it was.
>> TK: So, yeah that's cool. So was it always going to be The Horne Section. Because that is just what made the most sense. Or?
>> Joe: As in the name?
>> TK: Yeah
>> Joe: Yeah yeah I think yeah I think it was probably one of those things that was partly came about because of the name. Is that true I don't know. Sort of feels like, yeah, it was like the name was a bit of a gift. So we should definitely do it.
>> TK: Yeah, it definitely works. So how long have you been playing trumpet for?
>> Joe: I started trumpet when I was nine, so I'm now 47.
>> TK: Nice. Happy birthday, by the way
>> Joe: Oh, thank you! Thanks very much. So, yeah, so long time
>> TK: Is, is the trumpet the instrument that you knew you wanted to play, like, when you were that age?
>> Joe: Pretty much. I think I actually wanted to play the French horn, but they didn't have a French horn at school, and they did have a trumpet. And, yeah, because actually Alex played the French horn back then as well. Yeah. I'm sort of glad I didn't end up playing the French. I mean, lovely instrument, but, kind of, not much use outside of an orchestra.
>> TK: That's true, yeah
>> Joe: Yeah. Whereas the trumpet a bit more
>> TK: More versatile. Yeah.
>> Joe: Yes, exactly
>> TK: Nice. So, so this is, a Taskmaster specific fan podcast, and we're going to be talking a lot about The Horne Section, but, so for Taskmaster, you were on the show a couple times, so you did a live task with Mark playing Midnight for the Series 4 Episode 3, live task. So that, that was just like a brief cameo there. And then you also had the make an instrument with Jenny Eclair task in Series 15, Episode 2. So how like, what's the difference between being on, like, Taskmaster and doing that with them between like that and doing a Horne Section like live show?
>> Joe: I guess it's quite a lot less involved for us being on Taskmaster. I've had a great time, actually every time I've done anything Taskmaster related. And I'm not just saying that, it's been brilliant fun. They're, they're really lovely, production crew. And, you know, everyone's very welcoming, and it's it's quite it's sort of relatively pared down as it's not a massive crew. It's, it's a nice little family. And yeah, it's good, it's good. Vibe really, it's been great. Mark and I got a bit drunk before we did that Midnight thing, and then we were like, sort of drunk, but I don't think they, either didn't notice or didn't mind.
>> TK: Yeah, I just rewatched it yesterday and it sounded fine to me.
>> Joe: oh good, good. I think it was one of those things we had like a little rehearsal at like 2:00, but then we filmed it that evening or something, and we were in the middle of nowhere, and there was a pub, so, yeah. One thing led to another, but, yeah. And the thing with Jenny Eclair, it was great fun. I love her, she was, yeah, she, yeah, she was brilliant, but that was very brief. I think it was probably in the Taskmaster house, for that, for the thing with Jenny, I reckon I was in and out within a half an hour, 45 minutes.
>> TK: Oh, wow
>> Joe: So it's really just like you kind of get in there and you do it, and then you leave it. Yeah. So it's it's pretty straightforward. Yeah.
>> TK: So had you met her before then, or were you aware of her before then?
>> Joe: I was aware of her. Yeah. I don't think I ever met. I don't think oh, yeah. No, no, because she did our, we'd done stuff with her before, hadn’t we. Sorry, my memory ‘s hopeless. But yeah I was yeah very much aware of her. Yeah. Really like her, she sort of reminds me a bit of my mum. [laughs]. She's, she's. Yeah she's kind of a more eccentric version of my mum. So it's quite I was quite pleased but I'm not sure how we got assigned which guest we were going to work with, but I knew. I was quite pleased with the sax as well. I was like, yes, brilliant.
>> TK: That's awesome.
>> Joe: I’m properly proud of that
>> TK: So speaking of, television shows, the second series of The Horne Section TV show comes out in May, which is really exciting. So what was it like being a fictionalized character of yourself on a TV show, and what are the differences and similarities between your character and real life?
>> Joe: I'll start with the second bit. The differences and similarities are minimal. I like to think I'm not not quite as, as sort of off the pace as the character in the, the Horne Section TV show, but in all honesty probably not far off. Yeah, the character is a maybe a slight, very slightly exaggerated. I suppose what Alex did in writing it was take the, the parts of us that you found amusing and slightly exaggerated them, basically. But yeah. No, not a great deal, really. I mean, the yeah, it all felt quite well felt sort of natural, but it's also, I think, surprisingly difficult to do if you have no experience of acting. Even to portray yourself. It's like, in the heat of the moment with it, and there's lots of people shouting directions at you because I was, yeah, took a bit of get used to it.
>> TK: Yeah, I bet
>> Joe: I think there were, there was talk of panic attacks. I don't think anyone actually had one, but
>> TK: That's good.
>> Joe: But, but yeah, it was the, I think particularly that, the first series, the first few days were sort of rubbish and the headlines very much like, you know.
>> TK: So was recording the second series a little easier then?
>> Joe: Yeah, much easier I think, because partly because the fact that there was a second series meant that, you know, they had some faith in it and that we would, it was, we were being asked back. So it was like, well okay they know what they're getting this time. Whereas I think, I think the first time was a bit like, do they, are they aware that none of us can act? Are they, do they know what's going on here? And obviously they did know that. But, you know, until you get used to it.
>> TK: Yeah, that's cool.
>> Joe: With the reality of it, I suppose
>> TK: Yeah. I the thing that I love the most about the Horne Section TV show is, as a musician, when you watch movies and TV shows and you can tell that they've hired an actor and not an actual musician that knows what they're doing, and so it's really refreshing to watch, like actual, like people playing their instruments and like, you know, that that's not, you know, if a facsimile, of somebody's acting it out, it's really refreshing.
>> Joe: The opposite scenario, the only bit that does actually look convincing is when they’re playing the instruments, unlike the rest of the entire show.
>> TK: Yeah. There was a bit of a running gag in the first series, which I feel like it kind of died out or it just like, never came back and made an appearance. But the running gag was like, oh, we can't drive a car. We're musicians or we can't do this, we’re musicians. I really liked that.
>> Joe: yeah, I think a lot of musicians, or, a lot of artistic people in general are pretty useless in many ways. You know, everyday tasks. I mean, driving might be, slightly overstating it, but.
>> TK: So going back to the the fandom side of The Horne Section and Taskmaster, do you have like a favorite memory or a funniest memory of, like, interactions with people from the fandom that have come to a Horne Section show or they recognize you from the TV show or Taskmaster or any of the above.
>> Joe: I had a good one the other night, actually, where I went out with, like a mate from from back from my kids school, I don't know, him that well, but we we went out and, we were into some of the same music, so we went into, and he brought a couple of his mates, and, we had a good old, good old night of it, and lots to drink and everything. And I'd got on particularly well with one of his friends, and I'd probably chatted to him for about three hours, and we were just about to leave, and he, and he turned around and looks at me and goes “you’re in Alex Horne's band, aren’t you!?” I’ve literally been sat like I am with, you know, like face to face with him for 2 or 3 hours chatting, then suddenly very drunk, yeah. That was, I mean, quite funny, that sort of. Yeah.
>> TK: So how often would you say you get recognized by just the people off the street?
>> Joe: Oh, probably 4 or 5 times a year or something, which is perfect, I think, because, because I really like it. But it's, it's really nice what happens rather than in any way annoying. You know, it's brilliant. I reckon that's about right. Like once every 2 or 3 months and you, you know, always enjoy it rather than. Well, I don’t know [mutters something]
>> TK: Yeah, I can
>> Joe: My, when I was on my second date with my now partner, and this was before we been on telly, this was like, quite early days. Someone came up to us in the pub and, and recognized me, and I still think that's, that's probably, I think a big part of the reason I got a third time with them. Yeah. Served me well.
>> TK: Yeah. Celebrity status.
>> Joe: Yeah
>> TK: Yeah, that's really cool. So with your interactions with the fans, especially, like, after Horne Section shows and stuff like that, like live shows, how do you find the, the fandom in general? Like, it's a pretty chill group of people. Nice. Nice people.
>> Joe: Yeah, I think all are, yeah, they generally are really, really lovely, slightly quirky people, I really like them. Often after the tour shows here, Mark and I will we'll be selling, you know, tote bags and stuff in the, in the foyers after. So we chat to quite a lot of people these days and yeah, there is, there's, I mean it's it's a relatively broad thing age wise.
I think it's a relatively broad thing in every way really. But but I'd say that, yeah, the, the one thing that that ties them all together is that they're, they're generally like very, very nice, and slightly quirky and, and and slightly odd, which is brilliant.
>> TK: Yeah. Perfect kind of person, I think.
>> Joe: Well, exactly. Yeah [mutters something] for better.
>> TK: Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah I have, I have a bunch of friends that go to Horne Section shows fairly often because they live over there. And I'm always so jealous because I live in California.
>> Joe: Right. Yeah, yeah..
>> TK: Well, hopefully one day y’all can come over here and.
>> Joe: Well, there is, there is some talk of that. Yeah, there's Alex and Greg and they go have going over for a bit, there are things happening. So yeah I think yeah I think that that doesn't seem as, as absurd a suggestion as it would have done. Even a year or so ago you know.
>> TK: Right. Yeah. So, do you is it, I don't know if you're allowed to even answer this or even if you know the answer to it, but do you know if there's like, tentative dates or years?
>> Joe: I, I, no there aren’t
>> TK: No idea.
>> Joe: No, no. It’s purely a having seen what's happened with Alex and Greg, it's purely like, okay, well if yeah, maybe that maybe there is a, there is an opportunity for us there as well, you know. But yeah it really hasn’t no, I'm not being secretive.
>> TK: Yeah. Yeah, more just one of those things of like we'd like to and we probably can make it happen at some point.
>> Joe: Yeah, exactly
>> TK: Developing stages. Cool. Has, have you gotten any, like, physical gift from a fan that's particularly memorable.
>> Joe: Gift? I don’t think so. We did get some really sweet sort of miniature instrument keyrings quite recently.
>> TK: Yeah, nice
>> Joe: Yeah, they were. What else? Oh, there was someone who made an amazing crochet blanket. And it was huge. And it was. It was kind of the current tour poster. I think, it was at the previous one. But it was amazing. It was absolutely amazing. Yeah. Completely like beautifully made. And they brought it along and they'd been up all night the previous night to finish it. Came to the show in [mutters something] But yeah, just came out into the foyer, and unfurled this huge blanket and held it up for us and the detail in it. Yeah. Absolutely incredible. Yeah, that was pretty special. Yeah.
>> TK: That's cool. So who has the blanket then?
>> Joe: I think I think they still have the blanket.
>> TK: Oh, okay.
>> Joe: Yeah. Yeah. They just wanted to show it to us I think.
>> TK: Nice.
>> Joe: Yeah. Because it taken like 200 hours or something. You know, it was like, Yeah. It was like bonkers. Bonkers thing, like.
>> TK: Okay, so we, we don't really have, like, a proper games section. But I do have, I do have like a little bit of, of a game for you.
[trumpet music]
>> TK: So the game is going to be it's quickfire questions, and you're only allowed to answer with one word.
>> Joe: Okay
>> TK: Okay. And there's only like seven. So it's going to be pretty short. Okay. So first question have you ever played in a pit orchestra for a musical?
>> Joe: yes
[ding]
>> TK: Which musical?
>> Joe: Singin in the rain I mean, a few, but the West End I did Singin in the rain.
[loud incorrect buzzer]
>> TK: Oh nice. What's your favorite musical?
>> Joe: oooh, uhh, Matilda. Went to see Matilda with the kids recently. That was. That was very.
[loud incorrect buzzer]
>> TK: Nice. Best genre of music?
>> Joe: Best genre? Oof, uh Bluegrass. Bluegrass
>> TK: Nice.
[ding]
>> TK: Favorite trumpet mute?
>> Joe: [laughs] Harmon mute.
[ding]
>> TK: Yeah!
>> Joe: Gotta be
>> TK: I was like, there's no other answer. What mouthpiece do you use?
>> Joe: It's a Yamaha. I think it's a 14…B?
>> TK: I didn’t even know it went that high
>> Joe: Ah, maybe that might be wrong. I'm going to check. Talking of talking, trumpeting, I went to see, Wynton Marsalis last while I was at while was over
>> TK: Oh that’s awesome
>> Joe: The Lincoln Center. [hums] It's so it's so battered. I can’t even tell, I can’t see at all, I’m afraid
[loud incorrect buzzer]
>> Joe: I don’t know if you can see it, it's absolutely hammered.
>> TK: Oh, wow
>> Joe: It's very. Yeah.
>> TK: Looks like you've dropped that thing a lot.
>> Joe: Yeah, I think I used to. When I was teaching I used to use it to, you know, when kids get their mouthpieces stuck in the trumpet.
>> TK: Yeah. Oh, you, yeah, yeah.
>> Joe: bash, bash it
>> TK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Joe: Sorry, not sure.
>> TK: Oh, man. Okay. Two more questions. Best trumpet player in the world?
>> Joe: Miles Davis, if they're allowed to be
>> TK: Yeah
>> Joe: Deceased
[loud incorrect buzzer]
>> TK: Yeah, yeah, totally. And then this is a two parter question. The first part is, do you have a tattoo? And the second part is if you don't have a tattoo and you had to get a tattoo, what would it be?
>> Joe: I don't have one.
[loud incorrect buzzer]
>> Joe: But if I did almost get one and I knew what it's going to be like, I don't know if you have this in America, we have, we have this sort of classic picture of like three ducks sort of flying in a row, which you might find this picture in like pubs or it's not even like a specific version of this picture. It's just kind of a classic image of like three ducks. And and so I thought I would either get three ducks flying in a row, but then one of one of the band said, why don’t you get three dicks instead? And then and then it could be a funny story about how you ask for three ducks, but you got three dicks, so it'd be either three ducks or three dicks.
[loud incorrect buzzer]
>> TK: Right, that's amazing. Would the dicks have wings on them, you think?
>> Joe: Oh, that’s an idea, combine the, yeah, combine the, yeah, yeah, I think they would.
>> TK: That's amazing. Okay, great. Well you did pretty shit with answering them with just one word, but that's okay.
>> Joe: Oh, yeah, yeah. Forgot about that, yeah, yeah [laughs]
>> TK: That's all right. So you have written a lot of songs for The Horne Section. Or is there like a list somewhere of all of the songs that you've written, do you keep track of, like which songs each person has written specifically?
>> Joe: Not really, no. No, no, we don't really I think we we probably all know. You probably know the ones. You probably know the ones you wrote yourself, right? Yeah, no, no, we don't really, no.
>> TK: Who, who writes the most songs in the band. Do you think?
>> Joe: It's probably me, I think. Yeah, we all go through phases where we. Yeah. You know, people go through phases with writing a lot and others aren't, and vice versa, you know. But yeah, I think probably over the years I've probably written, I would say my, my approach to writing is if I've had an idea, I'm gonna write the song and I'm gonna finish it. So I've got a lot of songs. I would say I also have a lot of songs that I probably shouldn't have bothered with, but I think my only. I find it very hard to know if they're going to come out any good or not, really. So I just so I do them all. And then with Alex's approach to this, well, all of our approach to this, especially with the podcast, is for once it's done, it might as well go in.
>> TK: Yeah.
>> Joe: Which means that, you know, that kind of there's very little, self-editing, at our end, I would say, on that front. I think some of the others will be a bit more discerning with their own ideas, they’ll sort of have an idea, maybe write half a song and think well this, this isn’t going great and leave it. Whereas I will always finish it. And, and therefore there are a lot of them.
>> TK: Yeah, yeah I, I definitely find that relatable because my output of songs has been ridiculous in the past and I just, I also like I'll just start one. I'm like, well, I've already put work into this song, so I’ll finish it.
>> Joe: Yeah exactly throwing bad money after
>> TK: Right. Do you have a favorite song that you've written?
>> Joe: Uhhh. There's one in the. There's one in the new TV series there. I think my favorite one that I've written is one called Blessings. I think. I don't know, yeah. I'm not sure really. That's definitely one of them.
>> TK: Nice, mine is Chris Hoy, for some reason right. Yeah. It's such a banger. Anytime it comes on my, my shuffled playlist, I'm like, I just crank that shit up. [laughs]
>> Joe: Oh. Good. Well, thank you
>> TK: I love that one. Okay. So I had a question from one of my friends about The Horne Section TV show specifically for you. The running bit of your head being magic. When kissed, did you get consulted about that, or was it just kind of an off the cuff thing that Alex did?
>> Joe: It's true.
>> TK: [laughs]
>> Joe: Yeah. No, I can't. Yeah, I think, I think that was just. No, I think that was just Alex. Yeah. I don't think it. I can't imagine I would have been consulted. I mean, I was delighted, you know, if I hadn't been consulted. Yeah. I would wholeheartedly approve.
>> TK: Nice, yeah, I was going to say if it's true. That must be really annoying. Just lights turning on and off everywhere you go.
>> Joe: Yeah, yeah.
>> TK: You have to start wearing hats all the time.
>> Joe: Happens, happens a lot.
>> TK: I have another another question, from one of my friends. So since you released the song groupies, what is it like to actually have groupies?
>> Joe: It's very nice, as I say. Yeah, we would. All the people we meet during The Horne Section are very nice and are very lovely and quirky and interesting and. Yeah. Yeah, it's really nice. Yeah.
>> TK: Nice. Sorry. These these questions are like, not at all, connected to each other. So my next question is who who came up with Jorge and Jesus?
>> Joe: Oh, Will
>> TK: Oh yeah.
>> Joe: That's, that's that's from the depths of Will's imagination. Yeah.
>> TK: And did he, did he ask you to be the other half of it, or did he ask around?
>> Joe: He did, yeah
>> TK: He knew that he wanted. He wanted it to be you?
>> Joe: Yeah, I think he. Yeah. Yeah.
>> TK: Nice.
>> Joe: Yeah, yeah. We have a bit of a suppose slightly like minded. Suppose we perhaps at the odder end of the. Well, I don't know if that's always true. We certainly used to be. Like the odder end of the thing, comedy wise I think. We had a little duo, which we used to perform, very occasionally for a little while. I think we were only [mutters something] ten minute slots. Just at open mics
>> TK: oh, that's cool
>> Joe: new stuff. So there was a period where we were doing quite a lot of writing together, and we worked together for that
>> TK: And then, you have recorded an audio book with Tim Key, is that correct? The incomplete Tim Key.
>> Joe: Yeah.
>> TK: So what was that like to record an audiobook.
>> Joe: Yeah. Well I just played some, some music for it. I don't, I don't have I don’t if you know it. He just wanted to add a bit of, some backing to his poems essentially, you know.
>> TK: Cool.
>> Joe: So, uh yeah I played.
>> TK: Did he reach out to you specifically? And he was like, I definitely need, like, trumpet for this or whatever.
>> Joe: Yeah, that was quite a lot of banjo, actually. Yeah. Because yeah, like possibly like a [mutters something] bit easier to, to performance poem over.
>> TK: That’s true
>> Joe: There is trumpet on it as well. Yeah. It was great fun. It was great fun. But it was, it was very loose, very unprepared. We basically jammed up into it in a he basically read the book occasionally says [mutters something] try and come up with something, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily know, like the flavor of the poem or whatever
>> TK: Yeah, well I feel like you and the rest of the band are pretty good at just taking very vague instructions on you know, like, give us something folksy or give us something that you'd hear in an airport lounge because Alex does that to you guys all the time on the podcast. You know, he's like, give us a jingle and you just have to make one up on the spot.
>> Joe: Yeah, yeah, I guess we've yeah, we've got quite used to doing that with Alex. That's been the way I suppose. Yeah it is. We were discussing earlier on that first, that first Edinburgh that we did was, was good for that kind of thing because we had, we would have like 2 or 3 guests every night from the show. And that would be kind of the way they work with us every night we’d be like, yeah, you know, I want this mood, or I want this genre, or I want something that sounds like this. And so that was a yeah, I suppose that was how we perhaps refine those skills if they are refined.
>> TK: Right, yeah, I think you guys are fabulous at it. Improvisation is always terrifying to me. So I.
>> Joe: Right,
>> TK: I don’t like that
>> Joe: Right, yeah, I think it's a really hard thing to do as an adult, I think it's something you have to start doing as a child, really. Yeah, something you don't question as a kid. You just kind of, yeah, mess around, mess around an instrument, see what happens. Whereas as soon as you, I think in adulthood that sort of thing is much harder [mutters something]
>> TK: So did it, were you already doing a lot of improv before that? And you were kind of like, yeah, this is fine. Or did it really stress you out at the beginning?
>> Joe: It was never particularly stressful I don’t think. No, I think generally it, The Horne Section has never been hugely stressful for any of us because we even when things go badly because you're working with comedians. They always make it fun and actually, like, you know, if it's not very good, they'll have a bit of fun with it. And that’ll make it really funny, you know? So, you feel like you're at a bit of a win win situation. If it's good that they'll be impressed if it’s bad then that’s a bit of a gift to them.So, yeah it was never never felt stressful, really, no.
>> TK: That's good. Yeah. One of the one of my favorite parts about The Horn Section podcast. Which, we have a new series out right now, which is fabulous. Is that I love hearing when all of you crack each other up in the background. And you're just, like, all laughing at each other. It's just so funny. It's, like, very wholesome.
>> Joe: Yeah, we do have a lot of fun together. Yeah, no, it's brilliant. And I think increasingly we're just pinching ourselves that we get to do it more and more and, you know, you can make a living out of it and all that.
>> TK: Yeah. Yeah, definitely seems like a really fun gig.
>> Joe: It is. It's the most fun. It’s brilliant
>> TK: That’s cool. All right, well, we're going to, wrap up our time here. So thank you again so much for coming on. We have The Horne Section is currently on tour through June of 2025, coming back in September through November. It looks like according to the website.
>> Joe: That's right. Yeah.
>> TK: Yes, I don't know where in the UK you'll be because I live not in the UK. So look it up on the website.
>> Joe: Pretty much everywhere. I mean, obviously not everywhere, but we're covering a lot of, we're covering the whole, the whole country
>> TK: Yeah, so cool. And then the second series of The Horne Section TV show is coming out in May, which is exciting. And, currently the The Horn Section podcast is out, has eight episodes, I think per new series.
>> Joe: Yeah, I think, I think that's right. Yeah, think we’re on number three or something this week or this
>> TK: Yeah, yeah. This week will be number three. As of the time of the time of recording this.
>> Joe: Yes, in fact, I listened to the one that you were on this morning.
>> TK: Oh, yeah.
>> Joe: It's come out great. It's really, really good. Sweet.
>> TK: Sweet, yeah I'm excited to hear, the version where I can actually hear you guys and understand what you're saying.
>> Joe: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because actually it did. It felt slightly chaotic at the time for that reason. But the, the end result is not all. It sounds really great. Really natural. It's great. Yeah.
>> TK: Sweet. Yeah. I'm really excited. Cool
>> Joe: Yeah, brilliant
>> TK: So other than all of those things, is there anything else going on that you're gigging for doing that you want to tell people about?
>> Joe: Ehhhh, Not particularly. I mean, I've got. Yeah. But other, sort of jobbing gigs that I do are all sort of going on, playing with Madness, actually we should be coming round to the States. In May
>> TK: Oh!
>> Joe: You know, Madness?
>> TK: No :(
>> Joe: British Ska band from the 80s.
>> TK: Oh, that sounds cool.
>> Joe: Yeah. Yeah. So that. Yeah, they're they're also talking about it. Yeah. So bits and bobs are the other, other things and. Yeah. Jobbing away but. Oh always hoping for more Horne Section
>> TK: Yeah! Awesome. Well thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's been a pleasure to talk to you. One trumpet player to another.
>> Joe: Yes indeed, we even talked mouthpieces.
>> TK: Yes.
>> Joe: Not that I was much help, but
>> TK: Yeah, I was like, it's got to be a Bach five C or seven C, and then you're like Yamaha 14. I'm like a 14? What even is that a bucket?
>> Joe: It's I tell you what, it's pretty much a Bach three C okay, by, made by Yamaha.
>> TK: Interesting.
>> Joe: and slightly, the rim isn't quite as harsh. It's a slightly gentler on the, on the chops.
>> TK: Nice. It's not made of gold is it. Because I know gold is softer.
>> Joe: It’s got a gold plating
>> TK: Oh, okay, nice, cool
>> Joe: Comfortable
>> TK: Yeah, everyone else listening to this like. What are you talking about?
[both laugh]
>> Joe: Apologies for that
>> TK: Well, it's what you get when you put two trumpet players in a room together I guess.
>> Joe: Absolutely, yeah. It was interesting to go to the pub after that Wynton Marsalis thing last night. Absolutely full of trumpet players
>> TK: That’s awesome
>> Joe: Yeah, yeah, it was nice.
>> TK: Speaking of which, what trumpet do you play on?
>> Joe: It’s a Kanstul
>> TK: Oh, never heard of that.
>> Joe: Kanstul, l. I think that from LA, actually, So. Anaheim.
>> TK: Oh, yeah.
>> Joe: They, sadly went out of business, like, in the last couple of years. I've always played their ones. I think they're great. Yeah, not that many people play them [mutters something]
>> TK: Yeah, well, you sound great on it, so keep doing what you're doing.
>> Joe: What do you play?
>> TK: I play on vintage conn something something I don't know. I got really lucky because I went, before I went to college for it. My dad bought it for me on, like, eBay, which, like, don't do that, people.
>> Joe: Right!
>> TK: Don't buy it on eBay! But I really lucked out because it's a really nice horn, so.
>> Joe: Amazing
>> TK: Yeah, I got I got real lucky for that. But I was like, are you sure you should be doing this?
>> Joe: Yeah yeah yeah
>> TK: Because usually you're supposed to go in somewhere and actually pick up the horn and play on it.
>> Joe: You got no idea, really.
>> TK: Yeah, but it was 700 bucks, and I've been using it ever since high school, so.
>> Joe: Wow. Amazing.
>> TK: Can't complain. Yeah.
>> Joe: Certainly not.
>> TK: Yup, all right, well, thanks, Joe, for your time and.
>> Joe: Yeah. Pleasure.
>> TK: We'll see you online and go, go on The Horne Section on gigs and I will hopefully see a Horne Section show at some point I'll make it happen.
>> Joe: I’m sure you will, yeah, yeah, that'd be great, yeah
>> TK: All right. Cheers, Joe, thanks
>> Joe: Cheers. Take care.
>> TK: All right. Bye
>> Joe: Bye Bye.
>> Lewis: Hello, TK, it's my show now. I've taken over.
>> TK: No! Give it back!
>> Lewis: So we have some time to feel at the end of an episode, and you're going to tell us a story, and it's quite a good
>> TK: Oh? Is that a threat?
>> Lewis: Yes it is.
>> TK: You're going to do this and you're going to like it.
>> Lewis: Oh, I think it's a threat to the viewers. So yeah, you're going to tell us, exactly at least as well as you can remember, because it's been wild. What has gone on in the last. What is it, three months that have led up to this moment.
>> TK: Oh my gosh. Okay.
>> Lewis: Yeah, right, so, so for context, it feels to me like it was three days ago because of my bizarre sleep schedule. But the episode with Alex Horne just went out yesterday.
>> TK: Was it seriously yesterday, oh my gosh
>> Lewis: Yeah, it was, it’s Wednesday, so it was yesterday. It feels like three days ago. But so much
>> TK: It legitimately has felt like a Thursday all day to me. Like I'm not I'm not even joking. I said that to my work colleagues. I was like, it feels like a Thursday. And they're like, no, it's a Wednesday.
>> Lewis: So yeah, I only know about half of this because I've been able to pick it up and bits and pieces. So I'm looking forward to hearing everything as well. It started with The Horne Section’s Patreon didn't it? So where did the idea to buy that Patreon tier come from?
>> TK: That is a good, that’s a good question. I'm not sure if I actually remember the like, I kind of remember the answer, but so basically what happened was that I got tickets to see the New York City premiere of series 19 for Taskmaster, and I had been waffling on whether to get the Patreon tier or not, because it's it's not a small amount of money.
>> Lewis: How much was it?
>> TK: One thousand American dollars
>> Lewis: I thought it was 500.
>> TK: It used to be 500.
>> Lewis: It went up, ah
>> TK: yeah, no, it used to be 500, they bumped it up to a thousand. I don't know why. Because, they told me that I was the first person to ever get it, but, yeah, so, yeah. So I was waffling on it because, like, it's one of those things where it's like, I would really want to do this, but I grew up basically with the mindset of, like, save your money whenever you can, you know, like use coupons for everything, like try to save money here or like go thrift shopping, stuff like that.
So I've never really treated myself to anything big before. And it's something that I've recently started to like, actually do now that I'm well in my 30s. And, you know, like, I have a stable job and stable income and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, you know, like, I there's no reason that I can't do this, you know?
>> Lewis: Yeah
>> TK: Because again, like, I even, like, I get vacation time at work and I take it to go work somewhere else, like, I take two weeks of vacation to go work at a summer camp in Michigan. So, like, I never take vacations. I'm always constantly working. Like, very much Alex Horne core of like, I'm a workaholic. Like, that's what I like to do. I like to keep busy. So, yeah, so stuff like that. I never really got into the habit of doing. But then the New York trip was coming up and I was like, I think I, you know, need to go to New York to see them because they don't come to America very often. And, on the back of that, maybe I could run into Alex and be like, hey, like, I want to come on your podcast because the thing about their podcast Patreon tiers are that a lot of them basically say stuff like, wow, that's a lot of money.
We can't really give you a whole lot for it. Are you sure about this? So I wanted to tell him in person, just so you know, if you see $1,000 drop into your account, that's on purpose. And so that was one of my goals going into the New York premiere.
So I decided to do it in January, for sure. But then the question became, when do I do it? Because I didn't know when they were going to be recording the podcast episodes. I didn't know when the podcast was going to come out at that point because they hadn't announced it. I didn't know pretty much anything scheduling wise.
And so I was like, maybe what I'll do is I'll tell Alex that I'm going to do it and that I'll wait until March or something. Yeah, I don't know why I thought March it was for some reason or another.
>> Lewis: Probably because that's when we thought series 19 was going to be coming out?
>> TK: Yeah. So I went to the premiere. I did run into Alex, I ran into him twice. The first one was at the premiere, and it was when him and Greg were going around the whole theater saying hello to people as quick as they possibly could. Which was the best that we could do during the situation. And so I saw Alex and I was like, just to let you know, in a couple of weeks, I'm going to buy a Horne Section Patreon tier. And I think I forgot to say that it was the episode tier. And so afterwards, after the hype had winded down, I was like, oh my gosh, I think I actually forgot to say the most important bit of this!
So then the next day, my flight was going out in the afternoon, and just for funsies, me and a couple members of our online community went to the NBC studios, because we knew that Greg and Alex were having an interview with one of the people in the studios. And that was a whole other story, because there were two buildings. So we split up our group and we were like, we're gonna text each other if they show up either here or there, because we kept getting conflicting information. It was very stressful. So I ended up in one building basically by myself. And I was looking at my phone, and I look up - and there is Greg and Alex. I look at my phone, I was like, oh my gosh, it's Greg and Alex, okay? They're here, they're here!
It was actually very sweet because I clearly was there for them, because I like looked up at them and I was like, oh, hi!
And Alex clocked me first, and there were other people that were also waiting for them. And so Alex went up to me, you said hi to us first or whatever. And I was like, no, I got to text my friends that they're here, no, no, no, go talk to those people for a bit! I have stuff for you to sign, I need to get my stuff ready. Because I was also wearing my coat and my scarf and my hat, and I was like, I need to take all of this off so I can get a good picture without me being in all of my winter gear. And so I was like, they're here, they're here! So they came over, all of us were in the same place, which is fine.
So then the people that they had been talking to left, and then Alex looked at me and I was like, yes, I have stuff, I needed Greg to sign a print, and then I needed to talk to Alex.
And so to Alex, I was like, just so you know, - oh, and by the way, this was when they were leaving because their car had gotten there - and I felt so bad, because one of my friends got-
>> Lewis: Yeah, I saw the photos.
>> TK: One of my friends got to meet them, but then my two other friends didn't. And they had met them at the premiere and stuff, but I felt so bad but anyway. But they were like, don't feel bad, you had stuff to tell them and to do with them and stuff like that. Plus we got that awesome video of the dance pose! So, I don't regret doing that. But as they were leaving, I was like, Alex, by the way, I'm gonna do the guest Patreon tier level of your podcasts. Just so you know, it's not a mistake. And he's like, are you sure? And I was like, yes, I'm definitely sure.
And he was like, okay. And then he said, we're recording in February and March. So that's perfect timing. And I was like, oh, okay, great.
So then they left and we all went back home, and then I was like, okay, well actually, instead of waiting for March, if they're going to start recording in February, maybe I should just buy it now. And so I bought it early February, I think, or something like that. Because I also wasn't sure, sometimes Patreon is weird because it'll charge you on the first of the month, but then sometimes it'll charge you on the day of the month that you subscribe, it depends on the creator. So I did the thing where you subscribe or whatever it's called.
And then, eventually I got an email from Alex and again he was like, are you sure? And I was like, yes, I'm sure. That's literally why I found you and told you that I wanted to do this because I knew you would ask this. So then we emailed back and forth for a bit and it was basically trying to figure out what our schedules were like and what was going to line up and, and what would make the most sense and what format we would be doing it. Because originally it was supposed to be on something called Riverside or something, I had never heard of it, but it was a podcast streaming website service software. I don't know. So I signed up for a Riverside account and then that ended up not working on the day. So the day of I think I waited a couple hours actually.
>> Lewis: I think I remember that. Yeah.
>> TK: Yeah. Because I was so excited and I was ready to go. And they kept emailing me, Alex and Joe Walker, who is their production manager.
>> Lewis: I think he does a lot.
>> TK: Yeah. So I'm not sure what exactly his title is, but Joe Walker. So they kept emailing me back and forth being like, we're so sorry. We're running into so many technical difficulties. And so it was this whole thing because I was super hype. Now, for a bit of context, Alex had told me prior to this that he would send me a Horne Section podcast episode, and then him and me would just sit down and listen to it before it goes out. And we could do like a director's cut type of thing, get my feedback and we can see what's going on. And I was like, that's fine with me. So yeah.
>> Lewis: I remember something about that as well.
>> TK: So that's what I was expecting. So I'm sitting there, waiting. And I was like, man, they're having a lot of technical issues for me, and Alex watching or listening to an episode. So finally, I connected to Riverside, but it wasn't working on their end. And then what I ended up doing, I think, was FaceTiming Joe Walker. And I guess that ended up being what we used, but I think the place where they were at, their internet was really bad. Their Wi-Fi just was not good. Which is unfortunate because it's the studio that I think they record a lot of stuff at. And it sucks that the technical difficulties were so bad, because I had a ton of fun doing it, but it was really hard to hear them for a lot of it.
And I know that they also have since taken down the Patreon tier of being guests on the podcast. And I feel really bad because I didn't like want that to happen, obviously, but it's not like anyone could have done anything about it, you know? It's not like it was anybody's fault or anything. So finally, Joe Walker's on his phone. I'm getting a face full of painted black nails. And I was like, that's so sick, man. And he's like, hello? I was like, hi. So we did the whole like, I can't hear you, and then he, I don't know if it was on his phone or on a computer. He switched me over, I'm not sure.
He put me up on a stand, basically, so I could see the room, and the whole band is there, and I was not prepared for that. And I fanboyed for a second! And then I got myself under control. I was like, oh, it's the lads, hi lads! And they were like laughing about it. And I was like, okay, we're good, everything's fine. Professional. Here we go. So yeah, despite the technical difficulties, it was a lot of fun.
It did suck because for most of it, they had to turn their video off. But I had my video on for the whole thing because it didn't seem to affect their internet with me doing that, and they could hear me. I mean, you heard you heard the episode. I think it's when I say decisions and the s at the end of decisions is choppy, and that's pretty much it. But you can hear me at the beginning being like, yeah, I heard you say something about Patreon and then it went boop-boop! Because I heard Alex start to say something about the Patreon. Something about like, oh, you're our first Patreon guest. And all I heard was Patreon. And I'm like, I mean, I can guess what you said, but there's no way of knowing. So the rest of the time was really fun. It was great. It was very cool to see their process. It was so fast. They did it so fast!
>> Lewis: Yeah, it seems like the episode was in real time. Also for context, that episode dropped the same day that our episode dropped. It was like a proper little collab between the two of our podcasts.
>> TK: I'm so tired, but in the best way possible. So basically, Alex was there on his laptop and then all of the band were in their own little sections, and they had their own mics and stuff like that. But what I assume happened is Alex on his laptop had, probably much like what I have for my for our podcast, not a script, a list of bullet points of: we're going to do this next and then we're going to do this next and stuff like that. So yeah, it went by very quickly. And before I knew it, he was like, well, it's the end of the pod! And I was like, oh my gosh, okay. But yeah, it was it was a completely lovely time. And every single member of the band was just so warm and welcoming and hilarious and good. Amazing.
>> Lewis: So now that you have heard Sticky Streets in context, what are your thoughts?
>> TK: I still don't understand it. Yeah, and it was so funny because when Alex was like, so TK, you're not going to have context to this. So like you can listen if you want, but you know, if you don't want to spoil it for yourself, then you can take your headphones off and we can queue you back in. But the problem was they weren't on video. So I was like, I'm not going to know when you're done, you know? So I'm not going to waste your time by you emailing me because I'm over here being, what did you do? And so I listen to it and I was like, I have no idea what's happening right now.
And now that I've listened to the rest of it, I have no idea what's happening right now. I literally have no clue what the heck is going on. But it was really funny and I enjoyed it a lot. And then it was one of the funnier moments of the podcast, and I'm glad that they kept this in, was Alex was like, so, okay, did you listen to that? And I was like, yep.
And then they all just like cracked up. And I was like, I don't know what to tell you, man. I'm so confused.
>> Lewis: Yeah. So I was in the Discord because I have really weird sleep hours. So I was in the our group Discord when that happened. And I remember that was when it was an odd demographic that's usually in the server at that time of day. And so everyone was like, who the fuck is Richard Madeley? Which I'm sure did not help you either.
>> TK: I know, you get to a certain point with these boys, especially with Alex, that you just stop questioning whatever it is that they're doing. And you just have to trust that they are going to go with whatever they're going to go with, and it's going to turn out however it turns out.
>> Lewis: Well, luckily for all the Americans and South Africans and Australians that were in there, I am addicted to British television. So I was at least able to give some context. But I don't think there's enough context in the world to make Sticky Streets make sense.
>> TK: Yeah, I agree, it's just so befuddling to me. No matter how many times, it almost feels like a magic spell? You start listening to it, and then your mind just melts, and then you stop listening to it and you're like, huh, I don't remember the last two minutes of my life.
>> Lewis: Yeah, I mean, I love it, but I've always been into that really weird avant-garde shit anyway. So I think it's hilarious. I can also admit it doesn't make any sense. Every episode there's some new weird bit of lore-
>> TK: Fire boots! Fire boots!
>> Lewis: Yeah. And there's definitely a continuity, but all of it just comes from nowhere. So, you mentioned on their episode as well, you have recorded a few Horne Section / Taskmaster albums yourself up on Bandcamp. Tell us about those.
>> TK: So I have... two... I'm hesitating because I technically have three, but I don't really want to talk about the third one. I have two Taskmaster and Horne Section related albums. I forget which one I did first. I could look it up, but I'm not going to do that because you could figure it out. But anyway, I did a taskmaster fan album, and that was all just original songs written and performed by me. I forget if my partner did any of those. I think he might have helped with those. By the way, that's my partner you hear at the very end of the podcast, I totally forgot that he was in on that. And then I was like, oh my gosh, that's great, and I sent it to him. I'm not sure if he's listened to it yet, but I forgot who did the role of the dog in this song it's really funny, really cute.
He's a musician too. He has his Master's in saxophone performance, and he's a music teacher. So sometimes I get him to do stuff that I can't, hit the low notes or play guitar. But anyway, so I wrote a Taskmaster fan album. And the top, the number one first song on that album is called Little Alex Horne. And Alex purchased it from there quite a while ago, when it first came out, for 5 USD, which he did not need to do because it's free. It's available for free. And also, by the way, thank you so much to everyone that has been purchasing my songs today, because I've gotten like seven emails that have been, like, cha-ching! Bandcamp is gonna send you money because people are buying your Taskmaster and Horne Section albums.
>> Lewis: Oh, that's awesome.
>> TK: That's very sweet. Thank you. And then he emailed me after that and he said, I'll have this at my funeral. Thanks.
>> Lewis: And I was.
>> TK: Normal things for me to be getting emails about. Cool. Just Alex saying stuff, you know, like he does. Oh. So then so the Taskmaster via the Horne Section covers album, I was like, I am just so obsessed with all these songs, and I just really want to do covers because I like doing covers. So I did three great covers and eight more covers, and then there's also two more covers in there that I added recently because I did, Chinese Vibes based, which they played, my episode and.
>> Lewis: Which sounded really good, by the way.
>> TK: Thank you. Arranging that was fucking hard. I don't know how barbershop quartets do it. Like like little known fact, barbershop is my favorite genre of music, so I, I could never get enough of it. And, and I was like, oh my gosh, I hear it in my head. I hear Chinese five Spice in Barbershop and I know I can do it.
>> TK: It was fucking difficult, dude. And then. Yeah. And then I also did one of less is more. So that's up there as well. But anyway, so yeah, I had a lot of fun doing those and I, I think the Horne Section before BlueSky happened, they retweeted it or, Instagram, I don't know. I'm not trying to be on socials all the time.
>> Lewis: I think it was on BlueSky.
>> TK: Or maybe I was like really early on in BlueSky days.
>> Lewis: Yeah.
>> TK: So they like reposted it or whatever you call it on BlueSky. And I was like, oh, cool. So yeah, it's been, pretty fun to I mean, I just like writing music and being stupid.
>> Lewis: There's been, theoretical question list for a while. How does that fit into the genesis of this podcast?
>> TK: Like a question list for.
>> Lewis: It started with Alex, and I think it's.
>> TK: You just mean like all of the questions that we have.
>> Lewis: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That no, not that one. The one that started in the main Discord. That was just.
>> TK: What main Discord. There's no main Discord. You mean the podcast Discord? Because that's the only Discord I know about. Except today, the Horne Section was like, hey, here's a thing, a link to the Horne Section Discord. And I was like, you are being a menace on man right now. Mark Brown I don't know what his middle name is, but.
>> Lewis: Our little group had for it still there a theoretical stroke, hypothetical list of questions for Alex, like, 90% of which were just unhinged. Just.
>> TK: Oh, you're talking about he said.
>> Lewis: Yeah.
>> TK: Okay. Yeah.
>> Lewis: That one. So how does that list relate to the genesis of this podcast?
>> TK: So I'm now aware of.
>> TK: So sort of every sentence I need to click my tongue like this for some reason, like a valley girl thing. I don't know how long is the doing this anyway, I think it started as a.
>> TK: Greg and Alex get interviewed all the time by all these people, and they're never asking the questions that we asked for the answers to. That's the thing is, what we want to do with this podcast is we want to ask our guests questions that we don't have the answers to, but also we want to have the guests feel like, thank goodness this is not another podcast that clearly has done no research on who I am, what I do, like, other podcasts I've been on, and I've already answered these questions like the one I keep bringing up is how do you come up with ideas for tasks in his oh yeah, Doug, do your fucking research
>> TK: like we're so sick. I mean, like, I was about to say, we're so sick of hearing about Alex and his hot tub, which is not true. But, like, you know what I'm getting at, right? Like. Yeah. Like, we're sick of him having to answer that all the time because it's so repetitive. So it's like, it's.
>> Lewis: A funny joke, but it's boring just as an anecdote.
>> TK: Right. And so it's like, we want to be the podcast that asks interesting questions, questions that guests haven't heard before, you know, that really gets them, you know, like thinking about stuff and being like, oh my gosh, I've never been asked this and like, really
>> Lewis: I don't know exactly, but I think I have the gist. But where did the idea for this podcast first come from? Because I feel like it sprang from that list.
>> TK: It kind of almost. I think it was a couple different things. So there was one member of our server of our group chat. Got it.
>> Lewis: I think at this point everyone knows it's on Discord.
>> TK: Anyway, so there was one member who I think she had brought up the idea a couple times before, but like months apart, just as a joke idea. But then she was at the New York City premiere. Well, a bunch of us there were, like, 14 of us.
>> Lewis: Yeah.
>> TK: And we watched a couple of interviews that Alex and Greg were doing, like, well, they were in New York, and while we were in New York and we were like, they're just going on whatever fucking podcast, like we should just make our own podcast and ask them to come on about fucking do it. And, you know, and so like, it started as a not really a joke, but like pretty much a joke, you know, like, you know, oh, we might as well make our own podcast.
But then after New York and like, I don't know how relatable this is, but something that I do a lot is I'll go to like a convention.
A premiere or a show or whatever, and I will become so inspired. I'll be like that. Do you think that's like you gave the bardic inspiration, right? Like you have heroic inspiration now and I feel like I need to do something with it. And so when I came back, I posted in the chat, I was like, fam, if we actually want to do a podcast, I don't mind being the host.
Like I was a teacher for 13 years and I've grown very used to public speaking and it doesn't bother me having my face put out there, having my voice put out there. I don't really like listening back to my voice, but like, who does, you know?
>> Lewis: I don't mind it.
>> TK: So yeah.
>> Lewis: Also for context, I've been doing YouTube off and on since about 2006, right.
>> TK: And I definitely have not. Like I went on one podcast episode in my life before we started this, and that was the extent of that. So, yeah, we kind of like we all were super hype directly after the, premiere, because not only those of us that were there, we were like, you know, buzzing about it physically.
>> TK: Yeah. But we were also chucking every bit of information that we possibly could into the group chat. And then everybody else was like getting hype over it too. So I think as a collective group, we kind of were like, we could actually do this, like we could actually make this happen. So then we were like, okay, well, we need an editor and a couple people step forward and like, I had already, volunteered to be the host.
>> TK: And then, like Amanda immediately was like, I can be on an episode, you know? So she was on the pilot, episode of this podcast. Go listen to it, because she her voice is incredible. I could listen to her speak for hours, days at a time, and nugget like, I love a Scottish accent. And her voice is great.
>> Lewis: And there may be more opportunity to do that in future, which by the time this goes out, it will either happened or not, right?
>> TK: Yeah.
>> Lewis: I, I did enjoy the entire team collectively just losing it's shit because you a horn player has never heard of madness.
>> TK: I mean there are a lot of brands out there like no one. So no one has ever heard of my trumpet brand. Like, literally no one has heard of a vintage one time.
>> Lewis: Like I said, madness is in the band.
>> TK: Oh, madness. Yeah. No, I definitely, Yeah, I didn't know. I mean, I know our house and that's pretty much it. I'm.
>> Lewis: So jealous you get to go. Yeah, that seems like such a good live.
>> TK: Again. The problem with being a professional musician, aka I have a bachelor's in music education, is that I don't know shit about current artists or whatever, you know, it's awful. It's. It's not.
>> Lewis: Gonna really. I'm going to really call you out because they've been around since the 70s.
>> TK: Newer artists, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean.
>> Lewis: You are,
>> TK: I am also a 300 all vampire. Just like you. Yeah, we're we're twins. Separated at birth, actually.
>> Lewis: So, I mean, we got even more twin ish after I set my hair on fire.
>> TK: Yeah.
>> Lewis: So, yeah, when you see me in a few episodes time, I'm going to look very different because that was recorded two months ago.
>> TK: I totally forgot, but that's how timelines work. Well, that's a really.
>> Lewis: Yep. I'm actually going to have hair and what am I? Episode nine?
>> TK: Well, didn't, actually, I'm not sure if we're allowed to talk about this, but didn't let us master YouTube channel, just post, thing about the caravan. But then I think they took it down really fast. But anyway.
>> Lewis: Did.
>> TK: They. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I think oh, I think I.
>> Lewis: Saw that it was posted.
>> TK: I mean it might be repost it. I'm not caught up with the oh chat but what happened?
>> Lewis: I woke up in the middle of something weird.
>> TK: Yeah. What happened in the video was like, Alex was like, this is a video that Greg definitely sent me in 2016 or whenever the year was. And it's like, clearly, Greg, like today, beard, glasses, you know, like a completely different looking guy. And it's like, yeah.
>> Lewis: Totally white hair now.
>> TK: Yeah. It's like, I don't think that's how time works.
>> Lewis: But, yeah, well, we, we get to pull a similar thing because I was a dumb ass. I miss my hair.
>> TK: Yeah, RIP, well we should probably wrap up because my partner just got home. Do you have any other questions, or were those your main ones?
>> Lewis: Well, I'm going to wrap it up. It's my podcast now.
>> TK: God damn it. Fine! somebody else to do the work for once.
>> Lewis: But, yeah. No, I think this will have hopefully gone a ways towards settling any discomfort. Discomfort? Odd feelings. Rumors. Is there anything else you'd like to plug?
>> TK: Oh, listen to the Horne Section Podcast.
>> Lewis: It's very good.
>> TK: So, yeah. Should be all out. Go listen to all of Sticky Streets in a row and see if you can make heads or tails of it.
>> Lewis: Cool. Well, thank you. I guess it's an odd situation.
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