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Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manatella on 702.
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Speaker 2: Let's walk the talk. Streaming on the Prime Media Plus app. DSTV Channel 856, 92.7 and 106 FM. Seven minutes after nine o'clock. Good morning. Welcome to the Clement Manyetela show on the seventh day of October. I trust you well this morning. Thank you for joining us here on 702. We start with the 702 open line on 011-883-0702. WhatsApps on 072-702-1702. Are you crazy about the fact that Lionel Messi has now retired from international football? I mean, he has had an illustrious career, 21-year international career. Lionel Messi, Argentina's most kept player and record goal scorer. He bid an emotional farewell to fans in his final appearance in in Buenos Aires. He has described his retirement from international football as the saddest day of his career. And his farewell comes two and a half months after Argentina's World Cup final defeat to Spain in New Jersey, remember that? Where Messi exited in tears after that 1-0 loss. So I wonder what you think his career has been like and was this the right time I mean, he's 39 years old, but he's definitely regarded as the greatest football player in history. I think he's the GOAT. He signed off with his 1226th international goal in front of 85,000 supporters as Argentina cruised to a 3-0 victory over Benin. Messi has led Argentina to victory at the 2022 World Cup. to end the country's 36 year wait for a third title he has been cementing his status really as Maradona's heir if we're being honest and he remains under contract though with Inter Milan and until 20 is it 2028 if I'm not mistaken although following the death of his father two months ago he revealed that he may hang up his boots for good sooner than anticipated. So if you're a big Lionel Messi fan, let me know how you feel. He is now saying bye-bye to international football. But I wonder if he is leaving with a bang. I mean, yes, 21-year international career, 209 or so matches, 126 goals, but it would have been nice to have him hang his boots with a very strong team Right? But I think it was such a cruise with Benin. And if it was a stronger team that was challenging Argentina, I think I would have probably been more happier, even as he spent. Let me know what you think. 011-883-0702. What's going on with Firoz Khan, guys? So, as you know, the Majanga Commission has postponed the in-camera testimony of the former crime intelligence deputy Firoz Khan after... His uncle-in-law, Pregi Padayachi, was shot dead in a kuruleni on Monday evening. That was the night before Khan's in-camera appearance at the Majanga Commission. Remember, Khan survived an apparent assassination attempt in Houghton in June, shortly before he was due to appear before the commission for the very first time. And now questions are being asked whether Padayachi's killing was intended to send a warning to Khan ahead of his testimony. In fact, the Citizen is reporting this morning that two possible motives are among the theories that are being contemplated in the matter of Padayachi. The first is that Padayachi's matter may be connected to Khan and what he potentially knows about organized crime. Pregi, though, is alleged to have been very close to Khan and was one of the first people at Melpak Hospital after Khan was shot. And in fact, he was the person who spoke first publicly on behalf of the family, I think outside the hospital. And that's the first theory. Is he being warned? The second theory looks at Parayachi's activities as a money lender. According to the report, he had lent quite a substantial amount of cash to high-stakes gamblers. So that theory suggests that Parayachi was due to meet somebody who owed him money. So he was lured there and then killed. And of course, the police have not yet publicly established a motive. But the Madlanga Commission has now told us that a new date is yet to be determined for Khan's testimony. Do you think the commission will ever hear from Khan now, considering also his medical requirements? Because remember, we were told he's not really okay. He can testify remotely. But now that he's got his uncle-in-law that's been murdered and they seem to have been close, I mean, that's, I suppose, a trigger for him. That's going to take more time probably until we hear from him. I don't know, or maybe not. I'm just concerned that before this man was supposed to appear before the commission, he gets shot. Before this man is supposed to finally appear before the commission this Monday, His uncle-in-law, who seems to be his close confidant, gets shot. How are you slicing it? What do you think is at play here? Share your thoughts on 011-883-0702. Someone tweeted the other day that, and I quote here, Kareem Khan and Maumela will never testify at the commission. It's quite clear that there's so much at stake. Advocate Muzisika Kani warned, Justice Majanga during his farewell speech at the Constitutional Court soon after he was appointed to be the head of this commission, that he was entering the belly of the beast. We can see it now, end quote. That was the tweet. And I responded to that tweet because I get the concern. And I said, I honestly get the concern. You know, if the Majanga commission wraps up before Firoz Khan and Hangwani Maumela, and the others. But these are the two that I'll mention just for now. If we don't hear from Firoz Khan, of course we want to hear from Suleiman Karim, we want to hear from Medicaid 24 guy who said, what, he's stressed and he was saying he was stressed and he's got anxiety issues, blah, blah, blah. We want to hear from those people. But Firoz Khan and Hangwani Maumela, if the Magalanga Commission wraps up before these two people take the stand, an answer to what they've been implicated in and not in camera not testify in camera but if they don't take the stand at the commission i mean that's going to speak volumes don't you think that will be a travesty that's my view and i'm interested to to hear what your view is but i'm a little concerned that we may never actually hear from firoz khan we may actually never hear from And I don't think it's sufficient. Yes, in-camera evidence is fine for Firoz Khan, way appropriate. But there are other things that he was accused of that don't necessarily need him to testify in-camera. And if we don't get to see them testify at the commission, I think that's going to speak volume. I think that would be a travesty. You can share what your thoughts are. 011-883-0702, WhatsApp 072-702-1702. And then lastly, another thing I want us to chat about on the open line, it's a question I've already asked before, and some people thought I was being crazy, but I'm still going to ask it because I'm still not satisfied with the answers I'm getting. When is the National Police Commissioner going back to work? The suspended National Police Commissioner, General Fanima Semula, His charges have been formally withdrawn. in the courts. The National Prosecuting Authority found that there was no reasonable prospects of a successful prosecution in the case. So the charges against him were formally withdrawn. And he said, even after the charges were withdrawn, I'm ready to go back to work. So I'm asking myself now, why has he not been reinstated yet? Because remember the president, and I understood where the president was coming from. When the National Police Commissioner faced this charge, the president said, yo, I think you need to step aside for a bit, please. It's a precautionary, what do you want to call it? A suspension or like it's a step aside for a bit. Let's wait for this process to be done. So the press, the basis for the president to ask him to move aside was the charges that The charges are now withdrawn. So what's the basis now for the president to keep this man out of his office? Because he's not going to go back there until the president says clears the path. There's no way that the president is still, unless you're telling me the president doesn't know about the latest news that the charges have been withdrawn. And if he does know about it, then what is the basis of keeping Masamula away from work? If the president says the matter is still under consideration, what exactly is being considered? Are there other things we don't know about? Is he facing other internal charges? Will he face a D.C.? Because maybe that's something happening that we don't know about. But if there's no D.C., if there's no investigation, if there's nothing that concerns the president, then I don't see how he's just chilling and not allowing this man to go back to work, especially given what's happening in the country right now. We've got 11 women who have just been murdered in and around Ekuruleni. We still don't even know who did it. We don't know who's responsible for most of those murders. We've got mass shootings. Are you telling me that this is not a need for us to have a permanent national police commissioner in office? Especially if there's someone out there who can do the job, who was taken out because charges... We're enrolled against him, but now charges have been withdrawn against him and we're still saying sit at home? When there are such national issues that demand his attention as the national police commissioner. So I wonder how you're watching it as an ordinary South African. What does this mean for a country that's dealing with so much serious crime? And yet you've got a national police commissioner sitting at home even though charges against him have been withdrawn. I'm sorry, that's not making sense to me. And if it's making sense to you, help me see that. You can give me a call to share your thoughts or send a WhatsApp voice note. Good morning, Clement. How are you?
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Speaker 3: Good, man.
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Speaker 2: Are you a big Messi fan?
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Speaker 4: I'm a big Cristiano Ronaldo fan, but hey, I've got to give it to Messi. No, no, no, I've got to say it, my brother. Before the World Cup, this last World Cup, I've always been saying that Ronaldo is the GOAT, is the GOAT. Look, Messi, for me, is the greatest player of all time. I'm a big Ronaldo fan, but I've got to give you that Messi made us fall in love with football. And he has achieved so much. And it's fair that we've got to compare these two great players, you know. It's the same as in basketball, LeBron James and Michael Jordan. We always compare them instead of celebrating the greatness that these guys, you know.
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Speaker 2: But there must always be one goal to turn the bill, eh?
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Speaker 5: Pardon?
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Speaker 2: There must always be one goat.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no. Like I said, no, no, no, I'm agreeing.
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Speaker 2: Messi's the goat, you know.
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Speaker 4: I'm a big CR7 fan, but Messi's the goat. What a career.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a career, man.
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Speaker 3: What a career.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tembile, for calling us in Centurion. What a fair person, eh? He supports, he's a big fan of Cristiano Ronaldo, but he says, I'll give credit where it's due. This man is the goat. How many of us are willing to do that?
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Speaker 6: Huh?
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Speaker 2: Even when you've got one person you follow so closely, but you are fair enough to still give credit to someone else that you can see is doing a great job. 126 goals, 209 matches, 21 international, 21 year, I meant to say, international career. Lionel Messi has now said bye-bye to international football. Sandra, you and Kyle Lamy, good morning.
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Speaker 7: Clement, don't trap people in saying they must go with a bang. This thing of you saying people must go with a bang, that's why Lewis Hamilton is still there. We are still waiting for Serena. Serena came back.
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Speaker 1: Djokovic is busy there. Fighting with the kids. Because of people like you that say people must.
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Speaker 2: Go with a bang.
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Speaker 4: You're right.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right. You're right to call me out, actually, Sandra.
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Speaker 1: Like he's done what he can he's done the best that he can anything beyond that like Serena must rest in peace knowing that she did the best for everyone Lewis Hamilton must just hang his boots and say you know what I've represented well I've delivered well which is what Messi has done he's realized what he has done And he's happy with what he's achieved. Otherwise, then, I mean, Jokowi is painful to even watch.
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Speaker 4: It's not nice anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so painful. It is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Sandra, you're... Because of people like you.
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Speaker 7: No, true.
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Speaker 2: And I'll take accountability for that. I am the problematic one here. Sandra Nkailami. Because I really feel like when you are going to hang your boots, go out with a bang, you know? It's like even in television, on radio, they always say, you are as good as your last show. Right? And I just think, God with a bang. And I get it. I mean, he did score, you know, when Argentina's game against Benin. But, I mean, it's Benin. Benin against Argentina. That's not even competition. That's why they cruised to 3-0. I would have loved to, like, see him, like, really... enter a tough competition and still emerge as the go-to that he is because i really believe he is the same way that i'd like lewis hamilton to get that eighth world championship and head out but i hear you sandra i hear you baballo you're calling us from sentin what do you want to say about maumela.
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Speaker 3: I don't think we're ever going to see maumela Anyway, not just the Madlanga. I mean, if you count the SIU stuff that's happening with him, it's through his lawyers, it's not through him. Mamela has made no statements, no appearances. We don't know if he's in the country or if he's even alive. The thing for us to think that he will appear at Madlanga, I think we are looking for a form of catharsis or an understanding of his name appeared for five years in our lives. That's I would be honest to say that I'll be surprised if I see him even appearing. Let alone his lawyers appearing on that day. I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 2: But are we okay with that, Baba Allah? Are we okay with that? I mean, this guy has been accused of looting. So, sure, there's the looting of like 2 billion rand. looting of Tembisa Hospital and maybe he'll end up in court because I don't think also this needs to stop with his properties and his assets being attached. We need to see this man being trialed in court. But he's also been mentioned at the State Capture Commission and he's somehow been linked in some way through Suleiman Karim and KED to that over 300 million rent tender at the SAPS. Why is he not being called to testify? Are we okay with that?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. This is a guy that owes Saras, I think, what.
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Speaker 2: Two billion? Two billion rand or so. In tax.
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Speaker 3: How much money must a guy like that have?
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Speaker 2: What kind of power and connections?
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Speaker 3: That's why I would be very surprised to see him show his face anyway.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah, that would really disappoint me, Babalo. At the very least, I'd like to see the Matlanga Commission at least trying. I don't know. Will they even confirm to us at some point that, yes, we've written to him We're waiting for him to respond. We've asked him to appear. I would rather he fight appearing at the commission, but the commission itself, at the very least, has to say, yo, you've been mentioned here. There are monies here that we're moving around. Your sister was receiving money from Suleiman. Suleiman was told by Kat to give you money. What's going on? Come and explain. And if the commission has not invited him, and by the way, I'm not accusing the commission of not having invited him. I don't know. But I hope they have Because that would be a bit suspicious, especially knowing what we know about this man and the perceptions some South Africans have about the kind of power that he has. Do you think he's ever going to appear at the Madelang? Or maybe you think he doesn't have to appear. I'd like to hear that view as well. But I think he's been implicated to, and that's part of their that's part of the work of the Madlanga Commission. I'm forgetting the word that I need to use. The terms of reference. Right? What he's been implicated in fits in the scope of the Madlanga Commission. But are we ever going to hear from him? Are we ever going to hear from Khan? We have Maura Clemmie.
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Speaker 9: Maura is here from a beautiful Western Cape. Clemmie, I don't want to join the conspiracies, but let me tell you, I find it very, very disturbing that his uncle got shot and died. Why would the car die on the road? All of a sudden, these assassins appear from out of nowhere.
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Speaker 7: I don't know if.
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Speaker 9: Greggy Padachi was a sacrificial lamb. Yeah, because Khan is fighting too hard to come and testify. So I hope and I pray that I'm wrong. But no, something is really fishy there.
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Speaker 2: Have a good job.
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Speaker 3: Bye-bye.
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Speaker 5: Hi Clement.
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Speaker 10: I think with the issue of Khan, now Matanga should no longer announce that they are going to have the in-camera session with Khan. They must just do it secretly, get the information, and then work on that information for investigation. Other than that, they are still going to pursue to kill Khan or his family members. Salih Sposal and Doi from Brufunten.
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Speaker 4: Money, money, money, money, money, money.
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Speaker 11: When it comes to Khan, Khan will never testify at the Madanga Commission. I'm telling you. You can think of it the way you are thinking of it, but I've got a different view. We don't get to see them. Khan knows exactly what's happening. He will do anything for him not to appear in the Mazanga Commission. I'm not saying what and what, but I'm only saying connect the dots like you used to. Khan will do anything for him not to attend the Mazanga.
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Speaker 2: This is not a coincidence.
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Speaker 11: Every time he must appear, something like this happens.
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Speaker 3: No one is following Khan.
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Speaker 11: He knows exactly what's going on.
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Speaker 2: I will end it there. So are you suggesting then that Khan may have organized for his uncle-in-law to be shot so that that interrupts his appearance? Or could there be somebody else out there who wants... who doesn't want Khan to appear, because maybe he's going to reveal some sensitive information. Here's what some of you are saying about Masamuola.
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Speaker 3: Hi Clement, hope you are well.
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Speaker 12: Clement, there is a trend in this Masamuola thing. Remember, it delayed stopping the payment, and you media were saying, why is it delaying, blah, blah, blah, blah. Finally it stopped it. Then even when it was suspended, it took time for him to be suspended. When the media was saying this and that, the president took his time to suspend him. So respect the process. I suggest that maybe that's the process that you journalists might not be aware of, that you must respect. Okay, that's the process. He delayed suspending him. He's going to delay bringing him.
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Speaker 2: Back on board.
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Speaker 12: So I think there's a process that happens, that happened before he was suspended. So let's... I think the thing that you journalists don't know that The government knows. I don't know how to put it, but let's wait for the president.
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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe then they can help us understand the process. If we don't get it, then help us understand. What is the process that unfolds when you want to ask someone to go back to work? So you've told someone, get off work because you're facing charges. Charges have been withdrawn now. It's been, what, three weeks? If I'm not mistaken, officially in court, about three weeks or so So what is the process then? Does it take four weeks so that we can know? Okay, does it take three months? Is it going to take a year for him to get back to work? I'm just saying that, and I'm not suggesting that if he goes back to work and somehow crime is going to stop, but I'm saying in a country where we're facing mass shootings, women are being killed, and crime is still as crazy as it is, why would you want to keep one top officer at home?
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Speaker 7: We need.
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Speaker 2: hands on deck including his unless there's a reason if there is a reason maybe tell us that okay there's something the president is looking into that he can't share yet but there's not even any information the only thing we told is it's under consideration until when three months later four weeks later it's 9 32 Your voice. Your station. Your open line. Walk the talk.
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Speaker 13: With Clemens Mania-Taylor on 702.
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Speaker 2: 22 minutes before 10 o'clock. This is the 702 open line. So much we're talking about on the open line this morning. Fani Masamola still not back at work, even though charges against him have been officially withdrawn. What are your thoughts on that? Firoz Khan. Are we ever going to see Firoz Khan appear before the Madagascar Commission? What do you think is at play here? someone suggested that Firoz Khan will do everything possible not to appear. I don't know if I'm comfortable with the suggestion that he may have organized his own uncle-in-law to be killed. And this, I mean, the listener didn't say that, but he says, we don't know what Firoz can organize to not appear. And I'm like, but what? Do you think he's involved in that shooting? I don't really think so. And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that he would go to that extra mile. not to appear before the commission? Sure, he got shot and there are questions there about whether or not that was planned or it was a genuine thing. Yeah, but his uncle-in-law, that seemed to be very close to him now being murdered to avoid appearing? Sure, but let me know what you think. I am worried though about the time that the commission has. They don't have much time and maybe they're going to get an extension, we don't know, but Are we not going to hear from Firoz Khan? And what about people like Hangwani Maumela? Are we ever going to hear from him? And if not, why? I've also been asking you about Lionel Messi. He has now said bye-bye to international football. You're never going to see him ever again play for his team, Argentina. But he'll still play for his local team. 21 year international career now over 209 matches he has had over 125 goals i think he is the goat um but he has now hung his boots after argentina's match with benin yesterday and he did score so i guess that works out right here's what some of you have had to say about that.
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Speaker 14: Good morning to the team i'm a huge mercy fan i'm happy we're taught this way because if He played against a strong side. He might have not went out with a goal. I also feel for Ronaldo fans because the way their coach is going out against Messi, it's not proper. But have a great day to everyone.
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Speaker 3: In the team.
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Speaker 1: Morning, Clement.
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Speaker 15: I hope you're well.
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Speaker 13: I'm not a fan of Lionel Messi myself, but my son is. So I'm happy that he's retiring. For me, I'm no longer going to be buying Lionel Messi's t-shirts. But now I have a collection from Barcelona, PSG, the Argentinian team. We also have Inter Miami. So, hey, I have a collection.
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Speaker 2: I'm retiring.
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Speaker 13: I'm going to have a t-shirt every now and then.
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Speaker 15: Hey, morning, chums. Let us give Messi a big salute. You know what I like about this guy, eh? He knows that he's playing a collective sport, which is soccer, not an individual sport like Carlos Alcares, tennis or something. CR7, Ronaldo, he thinks he's playing tennis. He can retire. He can do whatever he wants. Obviously, I'm going to compare him to Ronaldo. The fact that Messi, 2016, once retired by saying, guys, I cannot lead the team. He was only 29 when he retired in 2016. Then he had to come back again to come and say sorry to the team and lead us to what Argentina is today. That's why kudos to him. Let us give him his flowers while he's still alive. He knows that he's playing a team sport, not the tennis or the golf of Mr.
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Speaker 4: CR7.
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Speaker 15: He can walk on and come back whenever he feels like it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ed Lemon. Yeah, thank you. Let's give him his flowers. But yeah, you can still watch him when he plays for Inter Miami, eh? More of your WhatsApps on 072702 and 702. I think he is going out on a high. It's just that the.
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Speaker 11: Loss of the World Cup title just leaves a small onion attend.
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Speaker 2: Mariana, he is the goat. I thank you. Your voice. Your station. Your open line. Walk the talk with Clemens Manietela on 702. Morning, morning, Clement.
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Speaker 5: Chairman, I think the president doesn't want Massimo. I think now they are negotiating for an exit package. I don't think he still wants or has confidence in Massimo anymore.
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Speaker 2: I think he needs... Or he.
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Speaker 5: Wants someone else to be in charge.
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Speaker 2: Not Masimola.
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Speaker 5: Because of the way Masimola ran the police department. So he doesn't want him anymore. So he's still negotiating his exit.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Clement. Yeah, I don't see it. But apparently the president is still considering. Maybe there's something we don't know. Some of you have had this to say about the conversation about Khan.
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Speaker 6: Hi, good morning, Clement. The Rose Khan situation is our problem, or the Commissioner's problem. He needs to appear. He needs to come and account for his actions. The reason for his medical condition is because of his illegal activities, and he's aggravated by that. And now his family is being targeted for his actions. So he needs to come and clear the air for all of this to stop, for his family to stop being targets by these people he's protecting.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Clement, Pat here from Spurview.
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Speaker 9: In the back of my mind, your mind and the nation's mind, including government, there's no way this guy will go back.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely believe you me. Prison, he also cannot be trusted, no matter to his bit of withdrawal. Good morning, Clement. Clement, good morning.
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Speaker 16: I think, I might be wrong, but I think Feroz Khan, he wants to testify, but the people that he's going to implicate, they are the ones who do not want him to go there. I think they give him money, they threaten him. So, yeah, I think he wants to go, but the people that he's going to implicate, They are the ones who are trying by all means to not want him to go there to the commission. I might be wrong, but I believe so. Remember, Khan knows all the secrets. He knows everything what was happening in South Africa.
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Speaker 4: So, yeah. Hey, Clement.
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Speaker 3: Sandra must leave everything alone.
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Speaker 4: I also must go first. Alonzo must retire first, then Hamilton can retire.
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Speaker 3: Aibo, see you in China.
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Speaker 17: Hey, morning, morning, my dear Major.
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Speaker 2: My dear Major, look, Khan is going to testify. Time will come for him to testify.
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Speaker 17: They can play their tricks, hide and seek and whatever they want to do, but time will come. I'm telling you, Khan is going to testify. And after testifying, he's going straight to jail. Then follow Morgan Maumana. I'm telling you, have a great one.
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Speaker 2: Mwaku, let's see. I do hope that he finally is going to testify. Guys, do you remember that General Mkwanazi, when he appeared before, was it the Ad Hoc Committee? He said, if the intelligence guys start speaking, this country is going to burn. Like, I'm paraphrasing, something along those lines. But he said it's going to really get hectic if intelligence guys speak. Abel, let's see if we can find that clip. But he was basically warning that, I mean, should intelligence guys start speaking? That's going to get hectic. And maybe this is what he meant. Because, I mean, Khan, that's the head of the spies. He's the deputy top spy, basically. He's like the deputy head of intelligence, of crime intelligence. He knows so much, the things we don't even know. He knows sensitive information that could compromise leaders or judges or media practitioners or other professionals. Could it be that this is what Mkwanazi was sort of warning about? Maybe that's why Khan has to now testify in camera because, some information is going to be very, very, very, very sensitive. Maybe that's it. And I remember saying, after Jerome Kwanazi said it, and I was like, guys, if it means things must burn, let them burn. But if that's going to help this country reset, that's what we need. But with what we know now about the infiltration of the criminal justice system, I.
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Speaker 2: If something bans, let it ban because we need to reset. Otherwise, unless we're saying we're okay with the status quo, then let's stick with the status quo and don't complain then when you know deputy national police commissioners or top crime intelligence, I mean top detectives and commanders are working with criminals, then we shouldn't complain about that. Let's accept that that's our status quo. But if we're serious about resetting, then Whether information is sensitive or not, let it come out if it's going to help us get to a better place. On YouTube, some of your comments coming through. Smith, 1972. Sir Clement, General Masamula is not complaining and both the President and the Minister are aware of his situation. Let's wait and see. That's a message from Smith there. Sitoki, Masako on YouTube page. Sir Clement, I agree with you one goat at a time. referring to what I said about Lionel Messi. Satoki says, Clement, one goat at a time like Orlando Pirates is the only best goat. Absolutely, Satoki. There's no question about that. And then Lewis on the YouTube page says, Clement, very suspicious. It looks like the cartel is warning Khan not to reveal certain information. What a coincidence, Clement. Something big. is brewing. That's a message there from Lewis on the YouTube line. More of your calls and WhatsApps after the break. It's 11 before 10. Your station. Your open line. Walk the talk with Clemens Manyatela on 702. It's now nine minutes before 10 o'clock. Hey, how are you?
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Speaker 18: Look, I can tell you without fear of contradiction that Khan, Maumena, and this other guy from Northwest, Karim Okasim, they will eventually testify at Matangam. They will never escape this one. And I want to align myself with the views of the previous WhatsApp there who said, this chap will do everything possible. Yes, no one is accusing him of the murder, but this chap will do whatever it takes for him not to appear at Matangam. The narrative that has been followed, people want to kill him, that is a self-created narrative for me.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, my brother. Great show.
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Speaker 2: You think so?
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be scary, though, if that were to be true, eh? Someone who's willing to go to those great lengths, yeah, that would be scary. And to be clear, we don't know, we still don't have much information about what transpired with the shooting of Padayatchi. Firoz Khan's uncle-in-law. So let's wait and hear from the police. But yeah, maybe there's something suspicious here. It could be a warning. Some people don't want him to appear. Or as some of you suggest, maybe, yeah, this is something that's helping him avoid to appear before the commission. Then the question is, are we ever going to have him appear before the commission? I mean, the next time they give him a new date, what's going to happen then next?
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Speaker 3: Huh?
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Speaker 2: Like now we're going to be holding our breath, hoping, oh, I hope nothing happens so that he goes there and appears. Cat B on the WhatsApp lines says, Clement, hi. My first thought was also that he arranged the hit on the ankle. My second thought was that it was a warning. That's what Cat B says. And then another one says, hey, Clement, Messi has retired from international football on a high, made the World Cup. final the same cannot be said um for cristiano ronaldo yeah i get it and look obviously even at the world cup it would have been so lovely to have argentina win the world cup i think that would have been a wonderful farewell gift for leonel messi and even with this match with benin you know i'm not suggesting it wasn't great i just i mean benin is nowhere near being a competitor to argentina It was a cruise for them. And I'm saying I wish it was much of a tougher match or even a tougher team so that he can showcase his skills. And there's nothing you can question about that. Cosmos, you are in, is it Falbank where I come from? Sure, sure. Go ahead.
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Speaker 4: How are you?
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Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 8: All right, man. Yes, I want to comment on Ronald and Messi. Yes, my take, no matter how you finish your race, no matter how you finish your race, the thing is whatever you have achieved will follow you. For me, Ronaldo remains. Whatever he has ups and downs for now, that's now, that's the sad part of the story. But for me, he remains the gold.
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Speaker 2: You think so?
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Cosmos. Ronaldo remains the best. Either way, that's what he says. And then on the WhatsApp line, somebody else says, Masamu Latlemand is not going to change anything. Crime has been happening constantly. even when my similar was still there, uh, let's give the president time and not rush it. Um, that is a message there on the WhatsApp line. Another one. So Clement, I think you and your colleagues, um, uh, in a campaign for what somebody or a party, um, the president, what the president has done, what every president under the circumstances does. He has ministers and heads of security establishments, uh, to do the rest. Uh, You guys are now taking things too far. But what's taking things too far? Asking why the National Police Commissioner is still at home. How is that taking it too far? It's a question.
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Speaker 6: Why?
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Speaker 2: And it's a question I've asked to the presidency. The response is the matter is still under consideration. Okay. Is there something else that's different that's being considered? Because the president didn't say anything when he asked Masamuola to be at home. He said, on the basis of the charges you are facing. That's what the president said. But now the charges have been withdrawn. So on what basis then is he still at home three or four weeks later after the charges have been withdrawn? That's all I'm asking. And if the president has a reason to still take so much time and maybe they're investigating something, indicate and say, we're still considering this. Things we're still looking at. You don't have to reveal what. But now you've left us hanging. And I bet you when the president announces that, oh, he can go back to work, I would like to see I'd like to know, OK, what was the process? Like, is he going to tell us that the reason I waited three weeks or four weeks is because I don't know, like I was considering other things. I was trying to make sure or maybe I was following the process and it takes time for the process to be followed for someone to go back to work. Or is it just going to be OK? The National Police Commissioner has been cleared to go back to work. I just think we need all hands on deck. Already we've got top cops who are facing criminal charges, who are not at work. They are suspended. Some of them have been fired. So many people are acting in positions. In a country that is now under siege, and I know we are under siege throughout the year, but right now we are dealing with mass shootings. Right now we are dealing with bodies of women being found in and around Nekulileni. We need all hands on deck. And if there's nothing wrong Masamula has done, if there's nothing that's holding him from coming back to work, any investigation of sorts, let him come back to work so he can work with the other top cops. Because we are under siege. That's all.
Speaker 1: You're with Clement Manatella on 702.
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Speaker 2: Let's walk the talk. Streaming on the Prime Media Plus app. DSTV Channel 856, 92.7 and 106 FM. Seven minutes after nine o'clock. Good morning. Welcome to the Clement Manyetela show on the seventh day of October. I trust you well this morning. Thank you for joining us here on 702. We start with the 702 open line on 011-883-0702. WhatsApps on 072-702-1702. Are you crazy about the fact that Lionel Messi has now retired from international football? I mean, he has had an illustrious career, 21-year international career. Lionel Messi, Argentina's most kept player and record goal scorer. He bid an emotional farewell to fans in his final appearance in in Buenos Aires. He has described his retirement from international football as the saddest day of his career. And his farewell comes two and a half months after Argentina's World Cup final defeat to Spain in New Jersey, remember that? Where Messi exited in tears after that 1-0 loss. So I wonder what you think his career has been like and was this the right time I mean, he's 39 years old, but he's definitely regarded as the greatest football player in history. I think he's the GOAT. He signed off with his 1226th international goal in front of 85,000 supporters as Argentina cruised to a 3-0 victory over Benin. Messi has led Argentina to victory at the 2022 World Cup. to end the country's 36 year wait for a third title he has been cementing his status really as Maradona's heir if we're being honest and he remains under contract though with Inter Milan and until 20 is it 2028 if I'm not mistaken although following the death of his father two months ago he revealed that he may hang up his boots for good sooner than anticipated. So if you're a big Lionel Messi fan, let me know how you feel. He is now saying bye-bye to international football. But I wonder if he is leaving with a bang. I mean, yes, 21-year international career, 209 or so matches, 126 goals, but it would have been nice to have him hang his boots with a very strong team Right? But I think it was such a cruise with Benin. And if it was a stronger team that was challenging Argentina, I think I would have probably been more happier, even as he spent. Let me know what you think. 011-883-0702. What's going on with Firoz Khan, guys? So, as you know, the Majanga Commission has postponed the in-camera testimony of the former crime intelligence deputy Firoz Khan after... His uncle-in-law, Pregi Padayachi, was shot dead in a kuruleni on Monday evening. That was the night before Khan's in-camera appearance at the Majanga Commission. Remember, Khan survived an apparent assassination attempt in Houghton in June, shortly before he was due to appear before the commission for the very first time. And now questions are being asked whether Padayachi's killing was intended to send a warning to Khan ahead of his testimony. In fact, the Citizen is reporting this morning that two possible motives are among the theories that are being contemplated in the matter of Padayachi. The first is that Padayachi's matter may be connected to Khan and what he potentially knows about organized crime. Pregi, though, is alleged to have been very close to Khan and was one of the first people at Melpak Hospital after Khan was shot. And in fact, he was the person who spoke first publicly on behalf of the family, I think outside the hospital. And that's the first theory. Is he being warned? The second theory looks at Parayachi's activities as a money lender. According to the report, he had lent quite a substantial amount of cash to high-stakes gamblers. So that theory suggests that Parayachi was due to meet somebody who owed him money. So he was lured there and then killed. And of course, the police have not yet publicly established a motive. But the Madlanga Commission has now told us that a new date is yet to be determined for Khan's testimony. Do you think the commission will ever hear from Khan now, considering also his medical requirements? Because remember, we were told he's not really okay. He can testify remotely. But now that he's got his uncle-in-law that's been murdered and they seem to have been close, I mean, that's, I suppose, a trigger for him. That's going to take more time probably until we hear from him. I don't know, or maybe not. I'm just concerned that before this man was supposed to appear before the commission, he gets shot. Before this man is supposed to finally appear before the commission this Monday, His uncle-in-law, who seems to be his close confidant, gets shot. How are you slicing it? What do you think is at play here? Share your thoughts on 011-883-0702. Someone tweeted the other day that, and I quote here, Kareem Khan and Maumela will never testify at the commission. It's quite clear that there's so much at stake. Advocate Muzisika Kani warned, Justice Majanga during his farewell speech at the Constitutional Court soon after he was appointed to be the head of this commission, that he was entering the belly of the beast. We can see it now, end quote. That was the tweet. And I responded to that tweet because I get the concern. And I said, I honestly get the concern. You know, if the Majanga commission wraps up before Firoz Khan and Hangwani Maumela, and the others. But these are the two that I'll mention just for now. If we don't hear from Firoz Khan, of course we want to hear from Suleiman Karim, we want to hear from Medicaid 24 guy who said, what, he's stressed and he was saying he was stressed and he's got anxiety issues, blah, blah, blah. We want to hear from those people. But Firoz Khan and Hangwani Maumela, if the Magalanga Commission wraps up before these two people take the stand, an answer to what they've been implicated in and not in camera not testify in camera but if they don't take the stand at the commission i mean that's going to speak volumes don't you think that will be a travesty that's my view and i'm interested to to hear what your view is but i'm a little concerned that we may never actually hear from firoz khan we may actually never hear from And I don't think it's sufficient. Yes, in-camera evidence is fine for Firoz Khan, way appropriate. But there are other things that he was accused of that don't necessarily need him to testify in-camera. And if we don't get to see them testify at the commission, I think that's going to speak volume. I think that would be a travesty. You can share what your thoughts are. 011-883-0702, WhatsApp 072-702-1702. And then lastly, another thing I want us to chat about on the open line, it's a question I've already asked before, and some people thought I was being crazy, but I'm still going to ask it because I'm still not satisfied with the answers I'm getting. When is the National Police Commissioner going back to work? The suspended National Police Commissioner, General Fanima Semula, His charges have been formally withdrawn. in the courts. The National Prosecuting Authority found that there was no reasonable prospects of a successful prosecution in the case. So the charges against him were formally withdrawn. And he said, even after the charges were withdrawn, I'm ready to go back to work. So I'm asking myself now, why has he not been reinstated yet? Because remember the president, and I understood where the president was coming from. When the National Police Commissioner faced this charge, the president said, yo, I think you need to step aside for a bit, please. It's a precautionary, what do you want to call it? A suspension or like it's a step aside for a bit. Let's wait for this process to be done. So the press, the basis for the president to ask him to move aside was the charges that The charges are now withdrawn. So what's the basis now for the president to keep this man out of his office? Because he's not going to go back there until the president says clears the path. There's no way that the president is still, unless you're telling me the president doesn't know about the latest news that the charges have been withdrawn. And if he does know about it, then what is the basis of keeping Masamula away from work? If the president says the matter is still under consideration, what exactly is being considered? Are there other things we don't know about? Is he facing other internal charges? Will he face a D.C.? Because maybe that's something happening that we don't know about. But if there's no D.C., if there's no investigation, if there's nothing that concerns the president, then I don't see how he's just chilling and not allowing this man to go back to work, especially given what's happening in the country right now. We've got 11 women who have just been murdered in and around Ekuruleni. We still don't even know who did it. We don't know who's responsible for most of those murders. We've got mass shootings. Are you telling me that this is not a need for us to have a permanent national police commissioner in office? Especially if there's someone out there who can do the job, who was taken out because charges... We're enrolled against him, but now charges have been withdrawn against him and we're still saying sit at home? When there are such national issues that demand his attention as the national police commissioner. So I wonder how you're watching it as an ordinary South African. What does this mean for a country that's dealing with so much serious crime? And yet you've got a national police commissioner sitting at home even though charges against him have been withdrawn. I'm sorry, that's not making sense to me. And if it's making sense to you, help me see that. You can give me a call to share your thoughts or send a WhatsApp voice note. Good morning, Clement. How are you?
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Speaker 3: Good, man.
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Speaker 2: Are you a big Messi fan?
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Speaker 4: I'm a big Cristiano Ronaldo fan, but hey, I've got to give it to Messi. No, no, no, I've got to say it, my brother. Before the World Cup, this last World Cup, I've always been saying that Ronaldo is the GOAT, is the GOAT. Look, Messi, for me, is the greatest player of all time. I'm a big Ronaldo fan, but I've got to give you that Messi made us fall in love with football. And he has achieved so much. And it's fair that we've got to compare these two great players, you know. It's the same as in basketball, LeBron James and Michael Jordan. We always compare them instead of celebrating the greatness that these guys, you know.
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Speaker 2: But there must always be one goal to turn the bill, eh?
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Speaker 5: Pardon?
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Speaker 2: There must always be one goat.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no. Like I said, no, no, no, I'm agreeing.
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Speaker 2: Messi's the goat, you know.
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Speaker 4: I'm a big CR7 fan, but Messi's the goat. What a career.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a career, man.
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Speaker 3: What a career.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tembile, for calling us in Centurion. What a fair person, eh? He supports, he's a big fan of Cristiano Ronaldo, but he says, I'll give credit where it's due. This man is the goat. How many of us are willing to do that?
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Speaker 6: Huh?
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Speaker 2: Even when you've got one person you follow so closely, but you are fair enough to still give credit to someone else that you can see is doing a great job. 126 goals, 209 matches, 21 international, 21 year, I meant to say, international career. Lionel Messi has now said bye-bye to international football. Sandra, you and Kyle Lamy, good morning.
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Speaker 7: Clement, don't trap people in saying they must go with a bang. This thing of you saying people must go with a bang, that's why Lewis Hamilton is still there. We are still waiting for Serena. Serena came back.
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Speaker 1: Djokovic is busy there. Fighting with the kids. Because of people like you that say people must.
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Speaker 2: Go with a bang.
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Speaker 4: You're right.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right. You're right to call me out, actually, Sandra.
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Speaker 1: Like he's done what he can he's done the best that he can anything beyond that like Serena must rest in peace knowing that she did the best for everyone Lewis Hamilton must just hang his boots and say you know what I've represented well I've delivered well which is what Messi has done he's realized what he has done And he's happy with what he's achieved. Otherwise, then, I mean, Jokowi is painful to even watch.
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Speaker 4: It's not nice anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so painful. It is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Sandra, you're... Because of people like you.
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Speaker 7: No, true.
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Speaker 2: And I'll take accountability for that. I am the problematic one here. Sandra Nkailami. Because I really feel like when you are going to hang your boots, go out with a bang, you know? It's like even in television, on radio, they always say, you are as good as your last show. Right? And I just think, God with a bang. And I get it. I mean, he did score, you know, when Argentina's game against Benin. But, I mean, it's Benin. Benin against Argentina. That's not even competition. That's why they cruised to 3-0. I would have loved to, like, see him, like, really... enter a tough competition and still emerge as the go-to that he is because i really believe he is the same way that i'd like lewis hamilton to get that eighth world championship and head out but i hear you sandra i hear you baballo you're calling us from sentin what do you want to say about maumela.
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Speaker 3: I don't think we're ever going to see maumela Anyway, not just the Madlanga. I mean, if you count the SIU stuff that's happening with him, it's through his lawyers, it's not through him. Mamela has made no statements, no appearances. We don't know if he's in the country or if he's even alive. The thing for us to think that he will appear at Madlanga, I think we are looking for a form of catharsis or an understanding of his name appeared for five years in our lives. That's I would be honest to say that I'll be surprised if I see him even appearing. Let alone his lawyers appearing on that day. I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 2: But are we okay with that, Baba Allah? Are we okay with that? I mean, this guy has been accused of looting. So, sure, there's the looting of like 2 billion rand. looting of Tembisa Hospital and maybe he'll end up in court because I don't think also this needs to stop with his properties and his assets being attached. We need to see this man being trialed in court. But he's also been mentioned at the State Capture Commission and he's somehow been linked in some way through Suleiman Karim and KED to that over 300 million rent tender at the SAPS. Why is he not being called to testify? Are we okay with that?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. This is a guy that owes Saras, I think, what.
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Speaker 2: Two billion? Two billion rand or so. In tax.
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Speaker 3: How much money must a guy like that have?
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Speaker 2: What kind of power and connections?
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Speaker 3: That's why I would be very surprised to see him show his face anyway.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah, that would really disappoint me, Babalo. At the very least, I'd like to see the Matlanga Commission at least trying. I don't know. Will they even confirm to us at some point that, yes, we've written to him We're waiting for him to respond. We've asked him to appear. I would rather he fight appearing at the commission, but the commission itself, at the very least, has to say, yo, you've been mentioned here. There are monies here that we're moving around. Your sister was receiving money from Suleiman. Suleiman was told by Kat to give you money. What's going on? Come and explain. And if the commission has not invited him, and by the way, I'm not accusing the commission of not having invited him. I don't know. But I hope they have Because that would be a bit suspicious, especially knowing what we know about this man and the perceptions some South Africans have about the kind of power that he has. Do you think he's ever going to appear at the Madelang? Or maybe you think he doesn't have to appear. I'd like to hear that view as well. But I think he's been implicated to, and that's part of their that's part of the work of the Madlanga Commission. I'm forgetting the word that I need to use. The terms of reference. Right? What he's been implicated in fits in the scope of the Madlanga Commission. But are we ever going to hear from him? Are we ever going to hear from Khan? We have Maura Clemmie.
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Speaker 9: Maura is here from a beautiful Western Cape. Clemmie, I don't want to join the conspiracies, but let me tell you, I find it very, very disturbing that his uncle got shot and died. Why would the car die on the road? All of a sudden, these assassins appear from out of nowhere.
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Speaker 7: I don't know if.
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Speaker 9: Greggy Padachi was a sacrificial lamb. Yeah, because Khan is fighting too hard to come and testify. So I hope and I pray that I'm wrong. But no, something is really fishy there.
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Speaker 2: Have a good job.
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Speaker 3: Bye-bye.
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Speaker 5: Hi Clement.
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Speaker 10: I think with the issue of Khan, now Matanga should no longer announce that they are going to have the in-camera session with Khan. They must just do it secretly, get the information, and then work on that information for investigation. Other than that, they are still going to pursue to kill Khan or his family members. Salih Sposal and Doi from Brufunten.
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Speaker 4: Money, money, money, money, money, money.
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Speaker 11: When it comes to Khan, Khan will never testify at the Madanga Commission. I'm telling you. You can think of it the way you are thinking of it, but I've got a different view. We don't get to see them. Khan knows exactly what's happening. He will do anything for him not to appear in the Mazanga Commission. I'm not saying what and what, but I'm only saying connect the dots like you used to. Khan will do anything for him not to attend the Mazanga.
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Speaker 2: This is not a coincidence.
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Speaker 11: Every time he must appear, something like this happens.
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Speaker 3: No one is following Khan.
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Speaker 11: He knows exactly what's going on.
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Speaker 2: I will end it there. So are you suggesting then that Khan may have organized for his uncle-in-law to be shot so that that interrupts his appearance? Or could there be somebody else out there who wants... who doesn't want Khan to appear, because maybe he's going to reveal some sensitive information. Here's what some of you are saying about Masamuola.
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Speaker 3: Hi Clement, hope you are well.
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Speaker 12: Clement, there is a trend in this Masamuola thing. Remember, it delayed stopping the payment, and you media were saying, why is it delaying, blah, blah, blah, blah. Finally it stopped it. Then even when it was suspended, it took time for him to be suspended. When the media was saying this and that, the president took his time to suspend him. So respect the process. I suggest that maybe that's the process that you journalists might not be aware of, that you must respect. Okay, that's the process. He delayed suspending him. He's going to delay bringing him.
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Speaker 2: Back on board.
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Speaker 12: So I think there's a process that happens, that happened before he was suspended. So let's... I think the thing that you journalists don't know that The government knows. I don't know how to put it, but let's wait for the president.
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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe then they can help us understand the process. If we don't get it, then help us understand. What is the process that unfolds when you want to ask someone to go back to work? So you've told someone, get off work because you're facing charges. Charges have been withdrawn now. It's been, what, three weeks? If I'm not mistaken, officially in court, about three weeks or so So what is the process then? Does it take four weeks so that we can know? Okay, does it take three months? Is it going to take a year for him to get back to work? I'm just saying that, and I'm not suggesting that if he goes back to work and somehow crime is going to stop, but I'm saying in a country where we're facing mass shootings, women are being killed, and crime is still as crazy as it is, why would you want to keep one top officer at home?
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Speaker 7: We need.
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Speaker 2: hands on deck including his unless there's a reason if there is a reason maybe tell us that okay there's something the president is looking into that he can't share yet but there's not even any information the only thing we told is it's under consideration until when three months later four weeks later it's 9 32 Your voice. Your station. Your open line. Walk the talk.
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Speaker 13: With Clemens Mania-Taylor on 702.
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Speaker 2: 22 minutes before 10 o'clock. This is the 702 open line. So much we're talking about on the open line this morning. Fani Masamola still not back at work, even though charges against him have been officially withdrawn. What are your thoughts on that? Firoz Khan. Are we ever going to see Firoz Khan appear before the Madagascar Commission? What do you think is at play here? someone suggested that Firoz Khan will do everything possible not to appear. I don't know if I'm comfortable with the suggestion that he may have organized his own uncle-in-law to be killed. And this, I mean, the listener didn't say that, but he says, we don't know what Firoz can organize to not appear. And I'm like, but what? Do you think he's involved in that shooting? I don't really think so. And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that he would go to that extra mile. not to appear before the commission? Sure, he got shot and there are questions there about whether or not that was planned or it was a genuine thing. Yeah, but his uncle-in-law, that seemed to be very close to him now being murdered to avoid appearing? Sure, but let me know what you think. I am worried though about the time that the commission has. They don't have much time and maybe they're going to get an extension, we don't know, but Are we not going to hear from Firoz Khan? And what about people like Hangwani Maumela? Are we ever going to hear from him? And if not, why? I've also been asking you about Lionel Messi. He has now said bye-bye to international football. You're never going to see him ever again play for his team, Argentina. But he'll still play for his local team. 21 year international career now over 209 matches he has had over 125 goals i think he is the goat um but he has now hung his boots after argentina's match with benin yesterday and he did score so i guess that works out right here's what some of you have had to say about that.
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Speaker 14: Good morning to the team i'm a huge mercy fan i'm happy we're taught this way because if He played against a strong side. He might have not went out with a goal. I also feel for Ronaldo fans because the way their coach is going out against Messi, it's not proper. But have a great day to everyone.
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Speaker 3: In the team.
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Speaker 1: Morning, Clement.
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Speaker 15: I hope you're well.
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Speaker 13: I'm not a fan of Lionel Messi myself, but my son is. So I'm happy that he's retiring. For me, I'm no longer going to be buying Lionel Messi's t-shirts. But now I have a collection from Barcelona, PSG, the Argentinian team. We also have Inter Miami. So, hey, I have a collection.
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Speaker 2: I'm retiring.
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Speaker 13: I'm going to have a t-shirt every now and then.
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Speaker 15: Hey, morning, chums. Let us give Messi a big salute. You know what I like about this guy, eh? He knows that he's playing a collective sport, which is soccer, not an individual sport like Carlos Alcares, tennis or something. CR7, Ronaldo, he thinks he's playing tennis. He can retire. He can do whatever he wants. Obviously, I'm going to compare him to Ronaldo. The fact that Messi, 2016, once retired by saying, guys, I cannot lead the team. He was only 29 when he retired in 2016. Then he had to come back again to come and say sorry to the team and lead us to what Argentina is today. That's why kudos to him. Let us give him his flowers while he's still alive. He knows that he's playing a team sport, not the tennis or the golf of Mr.
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Speaker 4: CR7.
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Speaker 15: He can walk on and come back whenever he feels like it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ed Lemon. Yeah, thank you. Let's give him his flowers. But yeah, you can still watch him when he plays for Inter Miami, eh? More of your WhatsApps on 072702 and 702. I think he is going out on a high. It's just that the.
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Speaker 11: Loss of the World Cup title just leaves a small onion attend.
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Speaker 2: Mariana, he is the goat. I thank you. Your voice. Your station. Your open line. Walk the talk with Clemens Manietela on 702. Morning, morning, Clement.
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Speaker 5: Chairman, I think the president doesn't want Massimo. I think now they are negotiating for an exit package. I don't think he still wants or has confidence in Massimo anymore.
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Speaker 2: I think he needs... Or he.
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Speaker 5: Wants someone else to be in charge.
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Speaker 2: Not Masimola.
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Speaker 5: Because of the way Masimola ran the police department. So he doesn't want him anymore. So he's still negotiating his exit.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Clement. Yeah, I don't see it. But apparently the president is still considering. Maybe there's something we don't know. Some of you have had this to say about the conversation about Khan.
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Speaker 6: Hi, good morning, Clement. The Rose Khan situation is our problem, or the Commissioner's problem. He needs to appear. He needs to come and account for his actions. The reason for his medical condition is because of his illegal activities, and he's aggravated by that. And now his family is being targeted for his actions. So he needs to come and clear the air for all of this to stop, for his family to stop being targets by these people he's protecting.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Clement, Pat here from Spurview.
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Speaker 9: In the back of my mind, your mind and the nation's mind, including government, there's no way this guy will go back.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely believe you me. Prison, he also cannot be trusted, no matter to his bit of withdrawal. Good morning, Clement. Clement, good morning.
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Speaker 16: I think, I might be wrong, but I think Feroz Khan, he wants to testify, but the people that he's going to implicate, they are the ones who do not want him to go there. I think they give him money, they threaten him. So, yeah, I think he wants to go, but the people that he's going to implicate, They are the ones who are trying by all means to not want him to go there to the commission. I might be wrong, but I believe so. Remember, Khan knows all the secrets. He knows everything what was happening in South Africa.
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Speaker 4: So, yeah. Hey, Clement.
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Speaker 3: Sandra must leave everything alone.
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Speaker 4: I also must go first. Alonzo must retire first, then Hamilton can retire.
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Speaker 3: Aibo, see you in China.
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Speaker 17: Hey, morning, morning, my dear Major.
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Speaker 2: My dear Major, look, Khan is going to testify. Time will come for him to testify.
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Speaker 17: They can play their tricks, hide and seek and whatever they want to do, but time will come. I'm telling you, Khan is going to testify. And after testifying, he's going straight to jail. Then follow Morgan Maumana. I'm telling you, have a great one.
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Speaker 2: Mwaku, let's see. I do hope that he finally is going to testify. Guys, do you remember that General Mkwanazi, when he appeared before, was it the Ad Hoc Committee? He said, if the intelligence guys start speaking, this country is going to burn. Like, I'm paraphrasing, something along those lines. But he said it's going to really get hectic if intelligence guys speak. Abel, let's see if we can find that clip. But he was basically warning that, I mean, should intelligence guys start speaking? That's going to get hectic. And maybe this is what he meant. Because, I mean, Khan, that's the head of the spies. He's the deputy top spy, basically. He's like the deputy head of intelligence, of crime intelligence. He knows so much, the things we don't even know. He knows sensitive information that could compromise leaders or judges or media practitioners or other professionals. Could it be that this is what Mkwanazi was sort of warning about? Maybe that's why Khan has to now testify in camera because, some information is going to be very, very, very, very sensitive. Maybe that's it. And I remember saying, after Jerome Kwanazi said it, and I was like, guys, if it means things must burn, let them burn. But if that's going to help this country reset, that's what we need. But with what we know now about the infiltration of the criminal justice system, I.
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Speaker 2: If something bans, let it ban because we need to reset. Otherwise, unless we're saying we're okay with the status quo, then let's stick with the status quo and don't complain then when you know deputy national police commissioners or top crime intelligence, I mean top detectives and commanders are working with criminals, then we shouldn't complain about that. Let's accept that that's our status quo. But if we're serious about resetting, then Whether information is sensitive or not, let it come out if it's going to help us get to a better place. On YouTube, some of your comments coming through. Smith, 1972. Sir Clement, General Masamula is not complaining and both the President and the Minister are aware of his situation. Let's wait and see. That's a message from Smith there. Sitoki, Masako on YouTube page. Sir Clement, I agree with you one goat at a time. referring to what I said about Lionel Messi. Satoki says, Clement, one goat at a time like Orlando Pirates is the only best goat. Absolutely, Satoki. There's no question about that. And then Lewis on the YouTube page says, Clement, very suspicious. It looks like the cartel is warning Khan not to reveal certain information. What a coincidence, Clement. Something big. is brewing. That's a message there from Lewis on the YouTube line. More of your calls and WhatsApps after the break. It's 11 before 10. Your station. Your open line. Walk the talk with Clemens Manyatela on 702. It's now nine minutes before 10 o'clock. Hey, how are you?
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Speaker 18: Look, I can tell you without fear of contradiction that Khan, Maumena, and this other guy from Northwest, Karim Okasim, they will eventually testify at Matangam. They will never escape this one. And I want to align myself with the views of the previous WhatsApp there who said, this chap will do everything possible. Yes, no one is accusing him of the murder, but this chap will do whatever it takes for him not to appear at Matangam. The narrative that has been followed, people want to kill him, that is a self-created narrative for me.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, my brother. Great show.
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Speaker 2: You think so?
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be scary, though, if that were to be true, eh? Someone who's willing to go to those great lengths, yeah, that would be scary. And to be clear, we don't know, we still don't have much information about what transpired with the shooting of Padayatchi. Firoz Khan's uncle-in-law. So let's wait and hear from the police. But yeah, maybe there's something suspicious here. It could be a warning. Some people don't want him to appear. Or as some of you suggest, maybe, yeah, this is something that's helping him avoid to appear before the commission. Then the question is, are we ever going to have him appear before the commission? I mean, the next time they give him a new date, what's going to happen then next?
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Speaker 3: Huh?
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Speaker 2: Like now we're going to be holding our breath, hoping, oh, I hope nothing happens so that he goes there and appears. Cat B on the WhatsApp lines says, Clement, hi. My first thought was also that he arranged the hit on the ankle. My second thought was that it was a warning. That's what Cat B says. And then another one says, hey, Clement, Messi has retired from international football on a high, made the World Cup. final the same cannot be said um for cristiano ronaldo yeah i get it and look obviously even at the world cup it would have been so lovely to have argentina win the world cup i think that would have been a wonderful farewell gift for leonel messi and even with this match with benin you know i'm not suggesting it wasn't great i just i mean benin is nowhere near being a competitor to argentina It was a cruise for them. And I'm saying I wish it was much of a tougher match or even a tougher team so that he can showcase his skills. And there's nothing you can question about that. Cosmos, you are in, is it Falbank where I come from? Sure, sure. Go ahead.
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Speaker 4: How are you?
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Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 8: All right, man. Yes, I want to comment on Ronald and Messi. Yes, my take, no matter how you finish your race, no matter how you finish your race, the thing is whatever you have achieved will follow you. For me, Ronaldo remains. Whatever he has ups and downs for now, that's now, that's the sad part of the story. But for me, he remains the gold.
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Speaker 2: You think so?
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Cosmos. Ronaldo remains the best. Either way, that's what he says. And then on the WhatsApp line, somebody else says, Masamu Latlemand is not going to change anything. Crime has been happening constantly. even when my similar was still there, uh, let's give the president time and not rush it. Um, that is a message there on the WhatsApp line. Another one. So Clement, I think you and your colleagues, um, uh, in a campaign for what somebody or a party, um, the president, what the president has done, what every president under the circumstances does. He has ministers and heads of security establishments, uh, to do the rest. Uh, You guys are now taking things too far. But what's taking things too far? Asking why the National Police Commissioner is still at home. How is that taking it too far? It's a question.
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Speaker 6: Why?
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Speaker 2: And it's a question I've asked to the presidency. The response is the matter is still under consideration. Okay. Is there something else that's different that's being considered? Because the president didn't say anything when he asked Masamuola to be at home. He said, on the basis of the charges you are facing. That's what the president said. But now the charges have been withdrawn. So on what basis then is he still at home three or four weeks later after the charges have been withdrawn? That's all I'm asking. And if the president has a reason to still take so much time and maybe they're investigating something, indicate and say, we're still considering this. Things we're still looking at. You don't have to reveal what. But now you've left us hanging. And I bet you when the president announces that, oh, he can go back to work, I would like to see I'd like to know, OK, what was the process? Like, is he going to tell us that the reason I waited three weeks or four weeks is because I don't know, like I was considering other things. I was trying to make sure or maybe I was following the process and it takes time for the process to be followed for someone to go back to work. Or is it just going to be OK? The National Police Commissioner has been cleared to go back to work. I just think we need all hands on deck. Already we've got top cops who are facing criminal charges, who are not at work. They are suspended. Some of them have been fired. So many people are acting in positions. In a country that is now under siege, and I know we are under siege throughout the year, but right now we are dealing with mass shootings. Right now we are dealing with bodies of women being found in and around Nekulileni. We need all hands on deck. And if there's nothing wrong Masamula has done, if there's nothing that's holding him from coming back to work, any investigation of sorts, let him come back to work so he can work with the other top cops. Because we are under siege. That's all.
