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00:00:03.680Everybody, welcome back to the Breakthrough Moment Podcast.
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00:00:06.160We have Daniel White here, special guest.
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00:00:07.679Super excited to talk to you, mate.
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00:00:08.880Hey Daniel, welcome.
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00:00:10.800Thank you so much for having me on.
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00:00:13.439This is uh this is gonna be a momentous conversation.
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00:00:21.280Everyone at home, get your notepads and papers ready and pens and all the things, whiteboards, whatever it is.
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00:00:26.480Um, you guys are gonna learn a lot today in terms of your own energy and health and wellness.
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00:00:29.920Daniel is one of the co-founders of Quantum Lee.
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00:00:45.280He's also one of the co-founders of the CRD Challenge, which stands for Circadium Rhythm Disruption Challenge, which is for anybody who doesn't know anything about circadian rhythm and wants to improve their health in some way, shape, or form.
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00:00:52.159It's a topic that not many people know about, but it's by far one of the most impactful secrets to our health.
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00:00:54.399And so we're gonna dive into this.
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00:01:00.000But before we do that, I'd love to know a little bit more about your breakthrough moments, Daniel, and a bit about your career and story.
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00:01:03.280But before I do that, just want to quickly introduce everyone to the podcast.
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00:01:10.480So this is all around sharing successful, uh, I guess entrepreneurs usually, but this is more of you guys have a foundation and a charity.
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00:01:14.799So it's to share Daniel's breakthrough moments that he's had in his career and life.
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00:01:26.719So without further ado, mate, we'd love to know a little bit of your story and some of your breakthrough moments that brought you into this challenge and doing this work.
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00:01:30.239Yeah, thank you so much, Zach, for giving me the platform to talk about this.
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00:01:39.200And um, I guess if I give you the TLDR, um a little bit of an untraditional uh podcast in the sense that I don't want to dive you know through every moment of my my personal history.
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00:01:48.319But I came to this career, I guess, in the last six or seven years working in the the health industry as a result of my own personal experiences and my own personal challenges.
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00:01:53.840Um when I was very young in my youth, around age 12 or 13, I got very, very addicted to video gaming.
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00:02:06.079And so spent the better part of about half a decade, you know, gaining a lot of weight, uh becoming increasingly unhealthier, both mentally and physically, until I decided there was, you know, uh a change was needed around the age of 17 or 18.
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00:02:18.400Um, that sent me on a bit of a trajectory studying psychology at university, then going into nutritional neuroscience, my master's, looking at the connection between food and mood and well-being, falling into the functional medicine area.
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00:02:32.319And for those of your listeners who don't know what that is, it's uh it's a slightly more holistic approach to medicine, um, you know, similar to allopathic medicine um in many ways, but really looking at root cause solutions for people's health and well-being.
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00:02:42.080So at this point, I'd kind of gone through the whole gamut of nutrition and training and movement, and then I'd sort of discovered the the relaxation element and the meditation and the breath work.
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00:02:56.159Um, and then about five or six years ago, I stumbled into the the world of kind of circadian uh science, circadian biology, and then and then more recently kind of some of the the quantum and the quantum physics aspects of of our biology and our health and well-being.
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00:03:00.879Um and it really it's been like a journey for me to heal myself, I suppose, in many ways.
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00:03:08.719Um and about five or six years ago when I came back from university, um, you know, just had a bit this burning desire and passion to go out there and and improve the world.
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00:03:19.759I guess I've always been a bit of a 30,000 feet thinker, looking down at society, thinking like, you know, what are the big levers here that we could be moving to have such a massive impact on the future of humanity, essentially.
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00:03:21.520I guess I've always been thinking in that way.
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00:03:27.039Um, never really had the opportunity necessarily to have as much of an impact as as I do now.
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00:03:36.080Um, about four or five years ago, um, I was going through um, you know, many challenges throughout my entrepreneurial life as a as a solopreneur.
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00:03:40.960And you know, first of all, finding what it is, you know, what's my gift, what's my my service, what am I bringing to the world?
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00:03:49.599And it and it began in kind of like nutrition and and health coaching and you know, did a lot of of great work and learned a lot and had amazing clients and amazing results.
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00:04:04.159Um, but when I was doing a business accelerator programme about five years ago, I kind of discovered that um, you know, really my origin and you know the the way in which I could most relate to and resonate with people was in my past and my history.
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00:04:18.560So recognizing that, you know, when I was a teenager, I was so deeply addicted to technology, and maybe the only kid at the time that I knew of, you know, I was like the first kid in the class with the smartphone and you know the dial-up broadband, video gaming every night, and things like that.
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00:04:35.439Um, but now it's you know, obviously a lot of children, many, many million millions and millions of children all over the world are suffering with all sorts of mental and physical problems as a result of overuse of technology um and the influence that this has on on our body clocks and our mental and physical health, you know, on our circadian biology in particular.
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00:04:42.720So about five or six years ago, um that was kind of it was it was kind of like the first of several breakthrough moments.
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00:04:48.800Um that was where I realized that I really wanted to be working with younger generations as well as you know adults.
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00:04:55.759And so I founded a charity and began a kind of three-year um it was an exciting journey.
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00:05:02.720You could say it was a bit of a slog, um, performing a research study in in schools um in Guernsey, where I live in the Channel Islands in the United Kingdom.
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00:05:03.920We've got a very small population.
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00:05:11.839We often joke around and we call it test bed nation because there's only a couple of thousand people you can kind of try out some of these weird and wacky uh ideas on, you know.
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00:05:24.399And um I went into seven schools and we performed a research study where we gave them simple education relating to our circadian rhythms and sleep, and we provided them with some some tools, some things called blue-light blocking glasses.
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00:05:45.360And so that was kind of like my breakthrough the standard traditional noise around me that I should just be, you know, this health coach and just jump on the wagon and you know, enter into this quite saturated market and finding really like my my niche, which was you know wanting to improve the future through you know how we currently treat uh sorry, teach younger generations of people.
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00:06:04.000Um and so that was about a three-year period, you know, totally bootstrapped, um solo fundraising and delivering this big research project, which was an incredible experience, but pretty tough on the soul, to be honest, and especially on the on the bank account, you know, having to make a lot of um side and backward steps in pursuit of you know a vision in the future.
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00:06:08.720And then I guess my my next big breakthrough moment was about a year ago.
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00:06:16.319Um I was approached by my now uh business partners and uh fellow patrons of our charity.
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00:06:22.879Um they had seen me on a podcast with a lady called Sarah Kleiner, who's got a podcast called Evolving Wellness.
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00:06:29.920And my now partners had basically seen that I was doing all this charitable research in schools, and they they contacted me and said, Look, you know, you're doing all that on your own.
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00:06:31.519That seems pretty onerous.
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00:06:42.480Let us get involved and help you, and let's you know, scale this and make a business out of this and make a global charity out of this, and you know, continue this kind of work that you've been doing and these seeds that you've been planting.
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00:06:55.199Um, and so that was probably the the biggest breakthrough moment of all because um at that point, you know, I broke through a lot of um self-limiters in terms of my mindset, what I believed I was capable of and what I was doing.
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00:07:04.720It also broke me through a lot of um kind of glass ceilings around what I actually was capable of doing because of limited resources, including time, finances, and such like that.
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00:07:12.480And that really kind of paved the way for the trajectory now um leading up to the CRD challenge, which I'm sure we'll talk about in a little bit.
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00:07:15.040Amazing.
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00:07:23.279What a what a journey it's been, and it's only really just getting started, I'm sure, with this this next amazing chapter that you guys are in.
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00:07:26.480Um I just like a couple of points there.
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00:07:39.839In terms of, you know, you've started this is now you're part of a charity and a foundation that's really, you know, creating this incredible educational platform for people to be educated on what this is all about.
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00:07:47.279Um, there's other people out there who've always maybe thought about, oh, I want to start a charity or I want to start a foundation, I want to kind of go out there and change the world.
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00:07:51.120Do you have any advice for them who are wanting to have a breakthrough at all?
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00:07:54.720I'm sure there's uh a few pieces of knowledge you could impart.
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00:08:00.720Yeah, I mean, again, like I can't speak for everybody and and every process, but I can only speak to my experiences.
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00:08:07.680Um, you know, I believe I was successful in doing what I set out to do because I cared about it more than I cared about anything else.
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00:08:20.560I cared about it more than I cared about, you know, um my own health at times and you know, my income and um my my stature and you know, a lot of typical markers of progress.
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00:08:25.519So I really had to act every day with like a vision of the future in mind.
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00:08:38.080Um it took a lot of faith, it took a lot of perseverance, uh, it took a lot of belief and determinism, you know, to sit and you know, when things were going well and when things weren't going that well, with limited resources to really know that that was the path.
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00:08:43.600But you know, I felt very cool to do it and but very cool to create um a vision for a better future.
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00:08:58.720And if you do feel called and you have that passion, you know, don't sit on it because I genuinely believe that you know when we begin to take action around these collective possibilities, then you know, unseen forces come to guide us and aid us um on that quest.
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00:09:08.480So, you know, usually if what you're doing is is sincere and is wanting to contribute towards you know creating better outcomes for people in their everyday lives, um it's a really, really good place to start.
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00:09:29.519Um I would say to people though, you know, the best thing that you can do is take advice from people who have been there before you, um get other people involved, you know, even if it's in small ways that people might small ways that people might um contribute their skills or knowledge or experience towards you, it can probably make things a little bit easier.
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00:09:32.080I probably wouldn't go about it in the same way that I did.
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00:09:38.080Um if I did it again, I would have you know more advisors or I'd have more volunteers or I would look for more support.
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00:09:46.399Um having said that, you know, because I didn't necessarily have the experience of having done it before, I wasn't really sure what was going to be needed and necessary.
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00:09:50.159So I couldn't have predicted at that time that I would have needed all the support that I did.
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00:10:03.279Um but yeah, it's definitely worthwhile that if you can, you know, um articulate your your vision, what you're trying to achieve, you know, quite often you will spark inspiration in other people who have common values and common names and goals.
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00:10:11.440So the sooner that you can like articulate that, the sooner that you can create momentum and community, which is ultimately where we've landed now, right?
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00:10:18.159Community around this shared goal, which obviously allows you to achieve it easier, faster, and the more enjoyable way.
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00:10:23.360Um that's what I would recommend is you know, start start at community, don't end at it like I have.
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00:10:26.240100% a calling.
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00:10:28.639It's all about having the calling, hey, and tapping into that.
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00:10:37.039Is this have you always been quite philanthropic and wanting to contribute, or was there a moment in your life that that made that shift for you?
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00:10:38.559Or is this just in your nature?
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00:10:42.000Or yeah, that's a really good question.
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00:10:53.440Um, I mean, I've done lots of uh self-exploration over the years, and one of the one of the really interesting tools that I used when I was studying functional medicine was something called the the Via Institute character strength survey.
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00:10:58.639And so it like looks at these 21 different kinds of domains or virtues.
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00:11:06.879Um it's not like a you know, you're introvert, extrovert sort of thing, but it looks at these different strengths which have been common across like many cultures, modern and ancient.
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00:11:08.960And it kind of asks you a variety of questions.
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00:11:21.440And and what I discovered is that, you know, according to the survey, some of my uh kind of key strengths were uh kindness, fairness, uh perspective, judgment, um, and social intelligence.
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00:11:43.759So really like understanding the needs of other people, um, like looking, kind of zooming out and having perspective over um society and the world, and trying to like, you know, apply more fairness and like you know, deliberate judgment to you know the way in which we can grow and expand and and move and shift, you know, things about societies and um our cultures.
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00:11:52.320And so I guess it's always been deeply embedded within me um in a sense, but you know, it most certainly wasn't always something that I was acting upon.
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00:12:07.600I guess I always had these these ideas in my mind, but it wasn't until I had personal experiences where my life was quite radically transformed, um, you know, initially through stopping playing video gaming and getting into health and fitness, you know, and and exercise and nutrition.
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00:12:20.799Um, but that came with a lot of its you know downsides, you know, sort of obsessive-compulsive behaviors and calorie counting and spending a lot of time indoors, you know, ticking boxes essentially for my for my sense of self and my health and well-being.
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00:12:31.440Um, but it wasn't really until I discovered like the circadian and the quantum biology, um, especially you know, the impacts of light exposure, our environment, kind of was like the missing pieces to my my health puzzle.
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00:12:52.639And so that impacted me so profoundly that I guess that um the lurking um philanthropist in me, you might call it, um kind of met this um intervention, if you want, or like, you know, this experience where I really felt like I could magnify what had impacted me out in into broader society.
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00:13:07.120And so um those kind of viewpoints of you know, considering uh the larger context of life, you know, met this um weapon or this tool for like how I could have an impact, and that's when it kind of really all blew up together.
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00:13:10.240I can totally relate.
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00:13:26.080I was a massive gamer growing up and used to play 16 hours a day and wag school just to play my game somewhere, and like it was but they say gamers have a part of their brain developed that those who haven't gamed gamed don't, which is that problem-solving ability.
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00:13:42.159So it looks like with what you mentioned, the yeah, the the in the intervention of light therapy and understanding that coupled with your desire to help people and health and wellness was a missing component or piece of the puzzle that maybe you hadn't found before, which was definitely for me.
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00:13:45.279I was like, oh my gosh, this is so obvious and so amazing.
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00:13:47.039Why haven't I thought about this before?
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00:13:50.399But it's it's hidden in plain sight, so to speak.
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00:14:08.000I think the other thing that I really respect about you, and sounds like your team's the same, is that you guys are creating change now, and regardless of the sacrifices of health and wealth relationships of things that you've you know probably going or put on hold or you're limited by to then still contribute is really admirable.
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00:14:10.240So thank you so much for for doing this.
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00:14:23.039Um I want to know if you could just one more question before we get into the challenge, if you could go back in time and change one thing before you started this journey, what would that one thing be?
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00:14:26.000Yeah, that's a really, really good question.
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00:14:27.519Um, people often ask me that.
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00:14:29.360They say, you know, would you take back the video gaming?
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00:14:31.840You know, would you would you not do the gaming and stuff like that?
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00:14:48.080And I say to them, like, no, like strangely paradoxically, and I'm sure you experienced this as a gamer, like you know, my relational skills were very well developed at a very young age because I was playing, you know, massive multiplayer online worlds with people from all over the globe, you know, spending more time there than I was anywhere else.
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00:14:50.399So I developed like quite a lot of skills quite early.
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00:14:54.159Um, you know, what would I what would I change um about things?
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00:14:58.240Yeah, I would just try not to do it all so alone.
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00:15:04.799You know, I would um I would become better at articulating, and I couldn't have at the time, you know, so in in essence I couldn't have changed much.
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00:15:15.679But you know, I would do uh I would spend more time trying to communicate with other people what it is that I see that's good in the world and bring more people online and you know on board with that that mission earlier.
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00:15:18.960Um not because I wanted it necessarily to be easier for me, right?
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00:15:23.840Because I just kind of like grin my teeth and bare it is what I did for a lot of years and I made it work.
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00:15:30.559Thankfully I had a lot of support from family and you know various other pieces, and everything kind of fell into place as it was meant to at every moment.
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00:15:36.879But um looking back now, I made things a lot harder for myself than it had to be um by really going it alone.
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00:15:44.799So, you know, I think there's this this idea in the world that you know are strong solopreneur, you know, you should be able to do it and carry the vision and everything.
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00:15:56.320But you maybe I guess you have to ask yourself how big is your vision and is it the sort of vision that you know can be held alone or is it something that the sooner you involve a collective of people and community around the better.
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00:16:01.360What perfect segue into from vision?
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00:16:03.840Without light, we have no vision.
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00:16:15.519And so I'd love to know I'd love to know, you know, for the for everyone at home if you can help just to educate the CID challenge, uh, why is it important and um when is it?
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00:16:16.480How can we join?
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00:16:20.480I'd love to just get a bit of a context for everyone and then we can dive deep.
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00:16:21.519Yeah, sure.
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00:16:23.919So I guess we'll begin with like the definition.
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00:16:25.200So what is CRD?
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00:16:31.039So CRD stands for circadian rhythm disruption, um, and why why a challenge around that?
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00:16:36.080Um about 10 years ago, I don't know if you remember the ALF's ice bucket challenge.
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00:16:36.879Yeah.
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00:16:37.200Yeah.
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00:16:41.519You've got people all over the world, right, dunking buckets of ice on their heads.
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00:16:43.120Obviously, that was a fun challenge, right?
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00:16:50.879Didn't require you know too much apart from the sheer grit and will to pour ice over your head and maybe make a little bit of a donation or a pledge to charity.
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00:17:01.759But we took inspiration from this like you know, um, viral social media phenomenon as a way of raising awareness and education and raising funds for a charity concept.
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00:17:07.359So I think that the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, they did about 150 million or something for ALS research.
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00:17:18.319And whilst that's super important and obviously is an incredible feat, um, when we started to think about it, you know, ALS probably impacts about 0.09% or 0.09% of the population.
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00:17:22.559Um, and then we started to think about this idea and this concept of circadian rhythm disruption.
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00:17:38.160So throughout like the past, you know, well, all the decades that you and I, and probably most of the people watching this podcast have been alive, we've had this very traditional conventional uh medical model that looks at symptoms and it looks at diseases and treating those symptoms and diseases.
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00:18:02.799And I think more and more people have begun to wake up to the fact that especially chronic disease, so non-communicable disease, things like obesity, diabetes, heart conditions, concerns, a lot of mental health conditions, autoimmune, you know, uh related conditions, and many other, you know, um aspects of what goes wrong for human beings are actually best tended to through lifestyle changes, through diet changes.
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00:18:08.720And, you know, there's a growing appreciation in the world, I think, of the uh, and this word can be quite loaded, right?
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00:18:27.279The holistic nature of of human beings and that the whole you know pill for an ill culture around the pharmaceutical industry and you know, doctors being stretched to the point at which you know they've got five or ten minutes to have a consultation with you and you go and see your general practitioner or your medical doctor or whatever it is, you know, wherever you are in the world.
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00:18:33.119And that that that model is quite insustainable, I guess, and it and it's very uh centralized.
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00:19:01.599Um, and it really puts the the power in the hands of physicians and it disempowers people who are using that system because they you know fundamentally have been kind of conditioned to believe that you know the resolution of their symptoms comes from you know a pill or a procedure or or something like that, and that you know, our DNA and our genetics and you know our family history is more likely to dic dictate the future of our health and our behavior and our lifestyle choices.
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00:19:13.440And it's you know quite a fundamental shift to go from you know uh empowerment being in the hands of a medical professional to feeling empowered ourselves, and that comes with a lot of chaos, you know.
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00:19:15.200Oh, well, where do I buy my food then?
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00:19:16.079What is healthy food?
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00:19:17.200What isn't healthy food?
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00:19:18.079What's good exercise?
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00:19:18.720What isn't?
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00:19:20.960How should I be relaxing and unwinding?
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00:19:26.720And you know, there's a lot of um confusion out there in the holistic kind of medical space, right?
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00:19:34.559And there's a lot of distrust of people that are moving on from this kind of conventional centralized system into wanting to explore taking care of themselves better.
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00:19:36.400You know, who do they learn about that from?
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00:19:37.599What do they learn about?
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00:19:39.359What do they prioritize?
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00:19:45.119Um, and that shift has been happening really gradually, I think, over the last 20 years, at least where I am in the UK, right?
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00:19:55.200In places like Australia, I think, is probably a little bit, in some ways, a little bit, you know, ahead of the game, um, in at least in some pockets and areas of society, and the same with America and places like that.
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00:20:01.359But one of these areas that is really still very contemporary in you is this idea of our circadian rhythms.
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00:20:02.720Now, what are circadian rhythms?
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00:20:09.119If you dissect the word circadian, it comes from the Latin, um circ circa is approximately, and DN means a day.
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00:20:14.400So it's a rhythm that spans approximately a day, better known as our internal body clock, right?
00:20:14.640 -->
00:20:35.440So what has come to light in the last you know decade or two, especially in the medical literature, I think it's been known about for a long time, but there's been an explosion in research around it, is this idea that you know, within every cell, every system, every organ of our body are these small timing mechanisms, these clocks that govern how our physiology and our biology function.
00:20:35.920 -->
00:20:42.079And really that's as a result of our evolution in contact with the planet and our environment.
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00:20:54.480And you've got to imagine that for 99.9% of the time that we've existed as a species on planet Earth, we lived outdoors, we were connected to nature all the time, we lived as tribes, you know, hunter-gatherers or agriculturalists or whatever.
00:20:54.640 -->
00:21:12.559And it's really a drop of, you know, drop of water in the ocean, the amount of time that we've been living now in these giant, you know, societies, millions of people, some cities literally with millions of people in, you know, so much technology, so much light, so much, you know, uh growth and evolution in in those areas.
00:21:12.960 -->
00:21:22.480Um, but there are a lot of challenges that have presented themselves in terms of um, you know, our health in relation to the environments in which we're meant to evolve, right?
00:21:22.559 -->
00:21:28.079So one of the biggest factors, and some of your your viewers and listeners might have heard about it, is the influence of light exposure.
00:21:28.160 -->
00:21:43.599So, you know, this is one of the things that we we're going to be teaching about in this kind of short 21-day uh mini learning journey is the influence that like natural and artificial light have on our body clocks and our rhythms, and then downstream the effect that that has on all aspects of our mental and our physical health.
00:21:43.839 -->
00:21:52.160And so a lot of people have cottoned onto this you know area of health, this circadian rhythms, and but a lot of people feel quite overwhelmed by the information.
00:21:52.240 -->
00:22:02.319There's new research coming out all the time, there's publications you're seeing it, you know, even in mainstream television broadcasts, or is you know, artificial light giving you Cancer, is it increasing your risk of dementia?
00:22:02.400 -->
00:22:09.519You know, there's all of these blanket kind of fear-based statements now arriving in the in the match consciousness around health and well-being.
00:22:09.680 -->
00:22:24.720And what we wanted to do was really identify and acknowledge the fact that, you know, if you live in the modern world, 100% of people are subject to potential disruption of their you know body clocks as a result of no longer living in nature.
00:22:24.880 -->
00:22:27.839I say, you know, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.
00:22:28.240 -->
00:22:39.440Um, and so people um can learn about the contraindications and like safe and effective ways to live in the modern world without having your biology and your body massively disrupted.
00:22:39.519 -->
00:22:48.880Now, a lot of people they do everything, you know, they count the calories, they go to the gym, they exercise, they work hard, they've got responsibilities, family, loved ones, businesses, all of this stuff.
00:22:49.039 -->
00:22:56.000But if they're not keeping themselves and their their body clocks well regulated and healthy, they're kind of fighting and pushing an uphill battle.
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00:23:07.279Um, and one of the things that I recognized is that, you know, when I first started to learn this stuff, I really had no community, had no people to ask questions, there was no playbook, you know, as a big web we use in the business realm.
00:23:07.359 -->
00:23:25.839There's no playbook as how to how to apply, you know, this new science, fundamental science, like some of the most basic foundational stuff that you know human beings have been um living within that paradigm throughout the whole of evolution, you know, natural light, time spent in contact with nature, you know, an absence of technology.
00:23:25.920 -->
00:23:32.640And now we've been thrust into this you know modern technological world and we're not quite sure and aware of how it's impacting us.
00:23:32.799 -->
00:23:52.319So we developed the CRD challenge as this 21-day learning journey that someone could come in, you know, knowing absolutely nothing about these topics whatsoever, but just having an interest or an ambition to improve their health or the health of their families or you know, their performance and their business or their teams or their schools or their community or you know, whatever.
00:23:52.480 -->
00:24:01.440Um and they could join uh a group of like-minded individuals and be kind of like led on the journey to improving um or at least beginning to learn about this stuff.
00:24:01.519 -->
00:24:39.279Um and so we took inspiration from the the ALS ice bucket challenge because we wanted to challenge people to something that could go kind of viral quite quickly, that you can involve your friends, your family members, your co-workers in, um, and that would really begin as like paving the way for um a more mass adoption of this understanding and knowledge in society, which could then you know influence educational policy, how we you know build our communities, our schools, our hospitals, how we set up our homes, how we treat people in workplaces, organizations, you know, all of those sorts of things, a kind of ripple effect that we could put out into the into the universe, as it were.
00:24:39.519 -->
00:24:48.480So our charity, um, the Quantumly Foundation partnered up with our organization, which is called Quantumly, and we're delivering this massive challenge.
00:24:48.559 -->
00:24:53.359Uh, we've kind of developed this huge ambassador network that have been helping us to spread the good news.
00:24:53.519 -->
00:24:58.720Um, we've got a couple of thousand people signed up so far in in about a week, you know, a week since our launch.
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00:25:00.400So we're really excited about it.
00:25:00.480 -->
00:25:10.000Um and I guess one of the things that I'm most excited about is this idea that, you know, in the world we have a lot of challenges, right?
00:25:10.160 -->
00:25:14.240If you're an entrepreneur, for example, you know that you have problems within business, right?
00:25:14.400 -->
00:25:18.000You have, you know, we can call them problems, we can call them challenges, things to overcome.
00:25:18.240 -->
00:25:27.039And it's no different in any other area of the world, you know, whether it's climate change or financial challenges or health challenges or spiritual challenges or you know, whatever.
00:25:27.200 -->
00:25:28.799We all have mountains to climb.
00:25:28.960 -->
00:25:44.160Um, and those mountains, you know, are made easier to climb when we have good circadian health, when our bodies are in rhythm and are in sync with nature and our biology and our physiology is operating, you know, per the program that we were born on this planet with.
00:25:44.319 -->
00:25:50.559Um and unfortunately, you know, not a lot a lot of people know about that and and pay kind of homage to that.
00:25:50.640 -->
00:26:01.839And so their lives and their attempts to solve many incredible challenges around the world are just made that a little bit harder by not being you know full of energy and and life and resources themselves.
00:26:02.000 -->
00:26:08.400So our attempt is to kind of pay back to everybody and by improving the way that we all live our lives.
00:26:10.319 -->
00:26:12.160Well said, fire out.
00:26:12.799 -->
00:26:18.240Okay, guys, everyone at home, this is such an important topic.
00:26:18.480 -->
00:26:50.000As you as you mentioned, yeah, I guess relating it to people in business, but anyone that's alive, this is a topic and a piece of the puzzle that's not spoken about, as you mentioned, but you guys are bringing it to the world in a way that's digestible, and some of the videos and the promo stuff that you guys have put out is super exciting, and like it looks like one of the best ways to learn about this topic, which quantum biology or circadian rhythm, like it's it they're not topics that people really talk about or even can pronounce half the time.
00:26:50.160 -->
00:26:51.920Um so this is awesome.
00:26:52.000 -->
00:26:54.559And a thousand people registered.
00:26:54.799 -->
00:26:58.079How many people do you think will be registered by the end of the challenge?
00:26:58.480 -->
00:26:59.680We have no idea, really.
00:26:59.759 -->
00:27:08.799So the idea is that at this stage, you know, we've got an ambassador network that's been putting it out, and so we're finding more and more people who are what I'm calling circadian curious at this point.
00:27:08.880 -->
00:27:12.240Like you say, you don't have to understand the vernacular or the terminology.
00:27:12.319 -->
00:27:21.039You know, there's words uh in the circadian dictionary that took me years to pronounce, um, but we're really, you know, bringing that down to an everyday person.
00:27:21.359 -->
00:27:29.359We like to say that at the minute, like I think if you ran the stats on it, probably about 1% of the world have heard of some of these topics and things that we're talking about.
00:27:29.440 -->
00:27:32.079And so we want to really bring it to that other 99%.
00:27:32.640 -->
00:27:35.200Um and so, you know, how many people will participate?
00:27:35.440 -->
00:27:43.839Um, I I see us having uh at least a few thousands by the time that we go to launch on the 20th of October, which is when we launched the three-week journey itself.
00:27:44.000 -->
00:28:03.119But at that point, you know, we essentially have thousands of ambassadors, you know, people who we know will have their lives changed, energy levels will improve, you know, symptoms will decrease, families will become more cohesive, people will become more productive and develop a greater appreciation and reverence for these kind of aspects of health and well-being.
00:28:03.279 -->
00:28:08.319And we have no idea that, and no doubt that by that point it will, you know, begin to spread like wildfire.
00:28:08.400 -->
00:28:27.279So what we'd like to think is that you know, hundreds of thousands of people over the next year and and years to come, if not millions, will um get an opportunity to to learn about these topics, you know, maybe not directly through us, but as a result of like the seeds that we're planting here to really spread awareness and um you know spread curiosity, I guess.
00:28:28.960 -->
00:28:34.480But Daniel, I eat healthy, you know, I go to the gym, you know, I have my blood test every year.
00:28:34.640 -->
00:28:35.119I'm healthy.
00:28:35.359 -->
00:28:38.640Why why do I need to worry about this circadian thing, like this light stuff?
00:28:38.720 -->
00:28:44.559Isn't you know, I watch my television at night, I sleep well, and you know, I get up and go to the gym.
00:28:44.799 -->
00:28:47.359I'm healthy, why do I need this stuff?
00:28:47.680 -->
00:28:50.480See, let's like imagine, just dial it back for a second.
00:28:50.559 -->
00:28:56.720You know, you you spend a lot of time focusing on your health and your well-being, or you don't spend a lot of time focusing on your health and well-being, right?
00:28:56.799 -->
00:28:57.440You could be the other side.
00:28:57.519 -->
00:29:03.440You're there like, oh Daniel, I'm so busy, I've got a kid, like five kids, you know, business to run and all these other things.
00:29:03.680 -->
00:29:10.160Um what I really love about like the things that we're teaching around circadian and quantum health, and in fact, let's just call it circadian health, right?
00:29:10.240 -->
00:29:11.200Because it's it's simpler.
00:29:11.440 -->
00:29:21.279Like the ways in which you can manage your body clock for better performance, you know, just for more energy, better sleep, you know, better mental clarity and focus, which applies to all of these areas of life, right?
00:29:21.359 -->
00:29:28.000You know, even if you don't exercise, you want to have better mental focus and clarity so that you can deal with that, you know, overwhelming to-do list.
00:29:28.160 -->
00:29:32.400If you're already on top of your exercise and your nutrition and your health, you obviously care about improving better.
00:29:32.480 -->
00:29:37.920So you can improve even better with like really, really simple, small, low-hanging fruit changes.
00:29:38.160 -->
00:29:44.400Like I wouldn't, you know, let go of any of the practices that I have now around my circadian health.
00:29:44.480 -->
00:30:00.400In fact, they probably come before sometimes my exercise and the other things that I do for myself, because I understand that fundamentally, such small changes to how I live in terms of my environment, how I work, you know, where I spend my time, the light in that environment, how I structure my days.
00:30:00.640 -->
00:30:05.759These are all things that we can all look at and like, you know, honestly, um kind of review.
00:30:06.000 -->
00:30:31.279Like the simple changes that we're suggesting, the simple changes that I've made that no doubt you've made, Zach, they've had such a profound impact on my life that there are no other areas that have provided such a high return on investment, the amount of energy that I put had to put in to either learn, and maybe that's not true because I spent way too long trying to learn on my own, you know, digging through the emerging science, which is not what we're advocating that people do.
00:30:31.359 -->
00:30:38.880You know, we're saying come and get involved in a community in a place where you can learn that like, you know, as quick as a you turn on or off a switch, really.
00:30:39.119 -->
00:30:53.119But you know, the return on investment I've had from those small changes has been so profound and so much greater than a lot of the effort I put into looking after myself and my business in other areas, that there is really nothing to lose, you know, is what I say to people.
00:30:53.279 -->
00:31:18.720Um, you've got everything to gain, you know, whether that's another 10% on your already productive life or you know, uh just you know, 10% more energy to get yourself through the difficulties that you're currency facing, you know, everyone can can really um make huge gains in terms of um energy, vitality, relationships, business, health, um just from applying a few simple uh kind of uh practices.
00:31:20.960 -->
00:31:22.240For sure, for sure.
00:31:22.400 -->
00:31:28.000I think what I'm really curious to uh to ask is, you know, why isn't this known by more people?
00:31:28.319 -->
00:31:34.319If it's such an important component and key to our wellness, why don't more people know about it?
00:31:35.200 -->
00:31:38.400Yeah, it's very interesting, you know, and so why don't more people know about it?
00:31:38.559 -->
00:32:14.400When you look back, I think, through um disciplines of like and the arts, right, because quite often it is an art of healing, but you know, you look to like naturopathy, for example, or you look to uh distance different systems of medical care, like the ancient Greeks, you know, um Hippocrates, the father of Western medicine, um, traditional healers, some cultures, you know, Chinese medicine, um, Peruvian shamanism, um, you know, and and less kind of out there, you know, some people see that as kind of out there woo-woo stuff.
00:32:14.559 -->
00:32:18.240Um, this reverence and this appreciation for nature have always existed, right?
00:32:18.319 -->
00:32:22.000And I felt like they didn't really need to be taught because it was just second nature.
00:32:22.160 -->
00:32:26.559You know, people didn't you didn't need to be taught about spending time outdoors because you lived outdoors.
00:32:26.720 -->
00:32:40.000No one worked inside, we didn't have you know factories, there was no industrial revolution, there was no indoor lighting, no computers, no laptops, televisions, smartphones, there was nothing that kept us inside apart from you know, maybe where you you laid your head to rest at night.
00:32:40.240 -->
00:33:01.119Um and now I think it's very interesting that you know the medical literature is exploding in reference to circadian rhythms and even some of the slightly more uh intricate topics, which you know we won't talk about today, but the how like physics influences health and light and you know all of those kind of quantum biology might collect that up as topics.
00:33:01.359 -->
00:33:19.759Um the interesting thing I think for me has been that you know, as soon as industries started to develop devices, for example, um that could you know support you on your quest, there's been an explosion in you know um finances or resources put towards research and education and such like that.
00:33:19.920 -->
00:33:23.279But for such a long time, you know, there was no money in studying this stuff.
00:33:23.359 -->
00:33:50.559You know, you can't make a pill out of sunlight, or you know, you can't um paint and you know not using lights in the evening and switching over to candles or different coloured lights, or you know, using free screen filters on your laptops or mobile phones or or blue light blocking glasses, you know, it doesn't fit the traditional uh narrative and paradigm that we have in the West, especially the West, around like medical treatments and like medicine being a business, you know.
00:33:50.720 -->
00:33:56.240But ironically, it is one of the most foundational and kind of curative elements of medicine.
00:33:56.480 -->
00:34:09.199So within every other traditional uh concept, you know, Hippocrates would first say, go and be with nature, you know, if you have an age deficiency, if you spend all your time indoors, go back and be in the environment in which you evolved and that you're meant to thrive.
00:34:09.360 -->
00:34:15.920Um, whereas we're only really just beginning to understand that now, especially because culturally, you know, we've shifted towards these huge societies.
00:34:16.079 -->
00:34:20.800Essentially, so much of what we've built has been contraindicative of good health.
00:34:20.960 -->
00:34:32.400So we're now having to look at these systems that we developed as cultures and societies and you know appraise them and start to realise that they haven't all been exactly what they've cracked up to be.
00:34:32.559 -->
00:34:44.159So I think there's like um a bit of a bit of a pill to swallow for a lot of people, especially a lot of those who have like led us into these revolutions of technology and advancement and all this sort of stuff.
00:34:44.239 -->
00:34:47.599And there's so much money involved in keeping those industries going.
00:34:47.760 -->
00:34:58.639And now I'm I'm not saying for any, you know, I'm not about to put a tin four hat on and tell us that we should be throwing our smartphones out or you know, never using the internet again, or beware of the the five reg frequencies.
00:34:58.719 -->
00:35:01.360You know, a lot of people take that stuff far too far.
00:35:01.519 -->
00:35:16.639But I think you know, what's true is that um things aren't always working for us in modern society, and so we need to be able to reappraise them, and that takes a little bit of time, you know, it takes uh a lot of guts for people to say, oh, we kind of got this a bit wrong, or you know, we need to to look at this again.
00:35:16.800 -->
00:35:28.159Um and thankfully now the the science is exploding around this quite quite quickly, and I think truth be told, you know, people are exhausted of trying to find answers in places that they're not you know successful.
00:35:28.320 -->
00:35:42.880So um thankfully this this is like a re-emergence, right, of our roots, of our uh appreciation for how we evolved and like um you know evolutionary biology always seems to win with us human beings, so it's nice to see people coming back around to it.
00:35:44.639 -->
00:35:48.320Truth will uh will always always prevail, right?
00:35:48.719 -->
00:36:00.880And these these quick fixes or fads and supplements and diets and things at the end of the day, if we strip all the stuff back, most of it back, we come back to the core basics.
00:36:00.960 -->
00:36:09.199It's it is simple and not so easy in our lifestyle and the environments, but it's incredibly effective if we just go back to the basics.
00:36:09.280 -->
00:36:11.199So that's really interesting.
00:36:11.440 -->
00:36:18.719Um for me when I first started learning about this stuff, uh I just started doing TV presenting and I used to do live television stuff.
00:36:18.800 -->
00:36:26.239So I used to get like anxiety of actually presenting it to live audience, you know, to thousands of whatever it was in Australia.
00:36:26.480 -->
00:36:30.639And I just started learning about the this biology stuff, this circadian biology.
00:36:30.719 -->
00:36:36.159And I learned that if I could get myself into a good cycle, then my potentially my anxiety would come down.
00:36:36.320 -->
00:36:39.519And so I was like, I'll do whatever it takes, I'm gonna try this out.
00:36:39.760 -->
00:36:45.679So I was getting up at sunrise and you know, putting the blue blockers on at night and getting to bed at night really, really early.
00:36:45.840 -->
00:36:47.519I did had no social life, right?
00:36:47.679 -->
00:36:50.800Like it changed a lot of my lifestyle, to be honest with you.
00:36:50.960 -->
00:36:54.960Um, I'd my flatmates would get home, I'd be cooking in the kitchen with no lights on.
00:36:55.039 -->
00:36:56.079They're like, How are you cooking?
00:36:56.159 -->
00:36:57.280There's no lights on in here.
00:36:57.519 -->
00:36:58.639Why is there no lights on?
00:36:58.880 -->
00:37:10.239Anyway, so I started doing probably similar, I'm assuming some of these light hygiene kind of recommendations that you guys might teach in the challenge, and my anxiety disappeared, and I felt amazing.
00:37:10.320 -->
00:37:15.440And I was like, Why haven't I implemented these changes earlier?
00:37:15.519 -->
00:37:17.920It would have helped me in so many different ways.
00:37:18.159 -->
00:37:21.599Um, and so you know, I'm I'm super excited.
00:37:21.679 -->
00:37:23.920What can people expect through the challenge?
00:37:24.000 -->
00:37:28.320I know you don't want to give away too much, but what is it that you guys will be covering?
00:37:28.639 -->
00:37:34.719Yeah, I mean it's interesting because we were in this place where they're like, you know, let's keep it like all under wraps and let's not talk too much about what people learn.
00:37:34.880 -->
00:37:40.320But I think, you know, as the weeks have gone on, I I've realized that people like they want to have some sort of expectation, right?
00:37:40.400 -->
00:37:42.159You know, of what they're gonna be finding out about.
00:37:42.320 -->
00:38:01.360And the truth is that like, you know, if you really lean into like all of the best Acadian health practices, it can like dislocate you from your friendships a little bit, it can dislocate you from society because if you're not out late at night, you know, staring into lights and being entertained and out doing all those things that maybe you've been doing for decades, you know, well, what else are you gonna be doing instead?
00:38:01.519 -->
00:38:06.480Um, and what I like to say to people is that you know, it's about a gradual shift in appreciation, right?
00:38:06.559 -->
00:38:28.639You know, we don't expect people to completely change their lives here, but what we can do is offer a bit of understanding about you know how light the light around your home, the light in your schools, your hospitals, your offices, public places, how that might be influencing your biology in the evenings, what impact that might be having on your sleep, your energy, your mood, anxiety, depression, you know, a lot of these challenges that we face sometimes seasonally.
00:38:28.800 -->
00:38:32.800And then a bit of an appreciation of like, you know, well, like what is what's the sun about?
00:38:32.880 -->
00:38:41.519Like, what's the sun here to give us, you know, and and what benefits are there to practicing safe exposure to the sun and the different types of light that the sun, you know, provides us?
00:38:41.599 -->
00:38:58.639And you know, what are some of these really simple changes in our daily routines, essentially, that we can make so that we can optimize how our body functions based on receiving certain signals that it's supposed to expect, you know, throughout thousands of years of evolution from the environment.
00:38:58.800 -->
00:39:00.639So it's it's not anything crazy.
00:39:00.719 -->
00:39:24.639You know, we're not gonna be telling people to throw their phones and laptops out of the window and stuff like that, but it's just a bit of an appreciation for how you know we can use technology in safer ways, in ways that allow us to function optimally as humans, and also like how we can reconnect with nature and and what the benefits are to that, whether it's you know, natural light or whether it's getting out on the beach, in the park, in the back garden, and grounding and earthing ourselves.
00:39:24.719 -->
00:39:40.079We talk a lot about like the the medical and the scientific basis for like the re-emerging science of grounding, um, as well as like I said, you know, a lot of a lot of stuff about light exposure and and how artificial light at night in particular, you know, can have such a detrimental effect on us.
00:39:40.159 -->
00:39:43.360And and like I said, it's not about necessarily giving up your favourite hobbies.
00:39:43.440 -->
00:40:04.639I mean, I still play some video games every now and again, but I'm very careful about you know how I um you know set up my environment, especially in terms of my light, my screens, you know, what filters I might be using to make sure that the sort of light coming out of my screen isn't keeping me awake too late at night, it's not stimulating me, over stressing me, you know, leading me towards burnout and being exhausted all the time.
00:40:04.800 -->
00:40:10.639Because quite frankly, you know, modern technology is set up for efficiency and you know engagement.
00:40:10.719 -->
00:40:21.760It's not necessarily designed um to keep us healthy, but that doesn't mean that you know, with a little bit of foresight and knowledge that we can't, you know, have healthier relationships um with the indoors and the outside.
00:40:21.840 -->
00:40:24.719So, really that's a lot of what um we're teaching people.
00:40:25.920 -->
00:40:27.280So good, so good.
00:40:27.679 -->
00:40:33.519What would be the main message you'd really like people to take away from today's podcast?
00:40:34.400 -->
00:40:47.760Yeah, I guess the main message I'd like people to take away is that um in a world that is very confusing sometimes when it comes to health and well-being, you know, we're always trying to be sold something, some new concepts, and new supplements, a new diet, you know.
00:40:47.920 -->
00:40:48.960Have you seen this fad?
00:40:49.039 -->
00:40:50.320Have you fallen into this thing yet?
00:40:50.400 -->
00:40:51.760Have you tried and tested this?
00:40:52.000 -->
00:41:05.920I just ask people to like kind of step back and kind of like tune into themselves and like understand that whilst a lot of that stuff is helpful, um, human beings evolved in a very certain way on planet Earth.
00:41:06.079 -->
00:41:20.239And if we're not appreciating and respecting like the fundamentals of what it means to be a human in terms of like the environment in which we live, you know, a lot of this stuff being circadian, food that we eat, the movement, you know, all these sorts of things.
00:41:20.400 -->
00:41:33.840And then there's no point in really chasing uh like shiny baubles on trees that are you know promising us massive change if we're not paying attention to the roots of the tree and you know how we're feeding it and how we're structuring it.
00:41:34.000 -->
00:41:37.920So we created the the CRD challenge as like a gift to the world, right?
00:41:38.000 -->
00:41:48.960You know, we're not asking anything of anyone for participating in this thing because we wanted to show people that you know um the best a lot of the best things for our health and well-being are are largely free.
00:41:49.119 -->
00:41:51.599Um and so we wanted to provide that to people.
00:41:51.679 -->
00:42:10.239So if you're at all curious, I guess, in improving your your health and well-being or your life, you know, how you perform, how you show up in life, um, and you haven't learned about learned anything about circadian biology, we'd like to think that our invitation stands that you know we might be a point of contact for you to come and um be curious and learn more.
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00:42:12.239So cool.
00:42:12.400 -->
00:42:12.880So cool.
00:42:13.039 -->
00:42:20.559Um you mentioned earlier the importance of vision and articulating the message and you know having a community behind you.
00:42:20.639 -->
00:42:26.000If you were to articulate and envision the world in 10 years or 50 years, right?
00:42:26.079 -->
00:42:37.039I know one of your big passions is educating the next generation and and helping them because I guess there's many challenges that they have in the world today that we never had.
00:42:37.280 -->
00:42:39.280Um so what does the vision look like?
00:42:39.440 -->
00:42:44.880What does what does that what paint paint us uh the vision for what you guys see the world as?
00:42:45.599 -->
00:42:46.320Yeah, sure.
00:42:46.559 -->
00:42:47.679I love talking about this.
00:42:47.840 -->
00:42:57.119So really I like I began asking myself and and other team, we began reflecting on this idea of you know, like how different could our world be if everybody lived in rhythm with nature?
00:42:57.360 -->
00:43:10.480Okay, because a lot of these challenges that we face, whether it's anxiety or depression or you know, uh gaining weight or having any issues really with mental and physical health, a lot of them are in some part caused by our disconnection from like living in rhythm.
00:43:10.639 -->
00:43:25.519Okay, so if you look at like healthcare costs, if you look at like social issues, if you look at all of the challenges that we face, you know, how differently might we approach all of these things if we knew that you know we needed to maintain um this relationship with the planet on which we live.
00:43:25.679 -->
00:43:32.320Um a lot of environmental causes these days, you know, climate change and climate destruction and all of these sorts of things.
00:43:32.480 -->
00:43:39.119We asked ourselves, how different would the world be if we all had a better appreciation for like the benefits that nature has to bring for our health?
00:43:39.360 -->
00:44:13.039Um so I guess you know the future vision for us is a world in which people are are living in rhythm and they're best equipped to like not only solve the challenges we face, but just to like celebrate what it means to be human, you know, to bring their unique gifts to the world um and to you know provide them to their communities, however large or small, around the world, you know, many millions, if not billions, of micro communities that exist on this planet uh with people who are able to, you know, share their gifts because they're living healthier, happier, um, and and in rhythm with you know the very forces that created us.
00:44:14.400 -->
00:44:15.039Love it.
00:44:15.199 -->
00:44:15.760I love it.
00:44:15.920 -->
00:44:20.480And at the end of the day, there's nothing worse than dancing out of rhythm in life.
00:44:20.639 -->
00:44:22.239So why not get in rhythm?
00:44:22.480 -->
00:44:27.360So how can people get in touch and uh get get connected to the challenge, Daniel?
00:44:27.440 -->
00:44:28.079It's the best way.
00:44:28.639 -->
00:44:29.440Really great question.
00:44:29.519 -->
00:44:32.000So we're um the best place to come is is the website.
00:44:32.079 -->
00:44:35.760So it's thrdchallenge.com.
00:44:35.920 -->
00:44:41.679We're also at the CRD Challenge on Facebook, uh, on Instagram, we're also on Twitter.
00:44:41.840 -->
00:45:03.280Um, but if people want to come and sign up, what they essentially need to do is go onto the website, they'll see um you mentioned earlier some of our uh might call them advertising or um you know spreading the message assets, they'll see our little call to action video on there and recorded with some of the world world leaders that we interviewed on these topics and and created something that helps to maybe tell the story in in pictures and emotions.
00:45:03.440 -->
00:45:19.760Um so come and take a look at that on the main website and then sign up there, and then you have to um register for our school community, which as I said is you know nearing um we've had about 1,500 people who have submitted forms on the website, and uh you know people are slowly converting over to the community where the education will take place.
00:45:20.400 -->
00:45:22.000So good, so good.
00:45:22.159 -->
00:45:23.280Appreciate it, Daniel.
00:45:23.440 -->
00:45:24.320I'm excited.
00:45:24.400 -->
00:45:25.760Uh we've got a few weeks left.
00:45:25.840 -->
00:45:37.360So if you guys are out there listening, join the challenge, become an ambassador, share it out, it's free, and this will be some education that some people would go their whole lives and have no idea about.
00:45:37.440 -->
00:45:43.119But you guys are getting uh uh some bite-sized pieces of education over 21 days, is that right?
00:45:43.519 -->
00:45:44.159Three weeks, yeah.
00:45:44.559 -->
00:45:55.67921 days, and I'll also add that it's um you know, but we're launching on the 20th of October because I think for our first reveal, we want to be able to do it as a paced community together and support each other on that mission.
00:45:55.840 -->
00:45:58.159But the challenge will be going evergreen after that as well.
00:45:58.239 -->
00:46:06.639So even if you're listening back to this podcast in six months' time and 12 months' time, or whenever you're finding it, you know, you'll always be able to come and take part in the CRD challenge.
00:46:07.440 -->
00:46:08.000Awesome.
00:46:08.159 -->
00:46:09.440Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:46:09.599 -->
00:46:17.920Appreciate your time, appreciate your efforts, you know, those those late nights that you're staying up or getting up early and going against your circadian biology to make this happen.
00:46:18.000 -->
00:46:18.800So thank you so much.
00:46:18.960 -->
00:46:19.760Appreciate it.
00:46:20.719 -->
00:46:23.519There's definitely been a little bit of that in service of the mission.
