Question & Answer #208: from Enlightened Class Struggle to the Evolution of Buddhism & Christianity

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Okay. And alrighty then. Hello and
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welcome to question and answer number
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208.
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I am your host Pab Basa.
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This is my beverage.
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And I started this video a couple
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minutes ago and then realized to my
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horror that I had neglected to factor
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out 208.
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It is of course not a prime number.
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But it is in fact 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 13
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or if you prefer 2 to the 4th power *
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13.
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And we do not have a whole heck of a lot
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of questions this time. And I think
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what's happening is that the fact that
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now due to my work schedule, I'm just
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doing a Q&A for the most part every two
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weeks instead of every one week. And
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some people just don't want to wait two
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weeks to have a question answered. So,
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they're going to one of those guys that
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does Q&As's every week instead of coming
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to me, I'm guessing.
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But, I mean, that's okay. I mean, it's
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it's only like the really burning
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important questions that we're going to
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get. Uh, except for maybe some of these.
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So, I'm just going to take another drink
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of my beverage.
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more of that strawberry orange banana
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stuff. That's really good.
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I'm pandering to my a my primate
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ancestry.
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So, let's see here. Is there any other
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news other than I mean like I've already
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told you last time that we're going to
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be doing a Q&A probably every two weeks
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unless I just get this huge backlog of
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questions that will require me to do
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like a middle of the week kind of Q&A
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maybe but we got below 20 questions this
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time so
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so everything's everything's going okay
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I guess
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so
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I think also is that when I'm only
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uploading a video like every two weeks,
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it causes the algorithm to kind of
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collapse so that I'm like recommended
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for fewer recommended to fewer people or
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something.
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But fortunately, I'm not making a living
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by doing this. In fact, I don't get any
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money out of this at all other than just
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the occasional like random donation from
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a generous viewer who just likes what he
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sees. It does happen sometimes.
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Uh so anyways, why don't I start
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answering questions?
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And the first question is one that I
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somehow overlooked last time. It's from
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Ruie and he says, "While thinking about
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the class struggle plus theology of
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liberation malarkey, the following
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occurred to me. How could someone firmly
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set on the ancient path ever point his
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finger and say, "Here, this man is my
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oppressor.
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And this could just be like a a
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rhetorical question as far as far as I
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can tell. I mean, he's got, let's see,
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well, yeah, and it may be that he really
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is expecting an answer. So, sorry for
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having to wait a number of weeks to get
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the answer, but I'll give it a shot. And
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let's see th this question the first
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thing it reminded me of is a well-known
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story that I think is mentioned in the
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poly text certainly in the commentarial
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tradition and I'm pretty sure it's
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mentioned in Mahayana sutras too at
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least in passing it's just sort of like
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referenced as something that people
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already know about and that is in a
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previous life the Buddha like in a
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Jotica story the Buddha was um an
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aesthetic probably a non Buddhist
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aesthetic named Kantiwadi or like
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speaker of patience
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and the story goes that
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he was meditating in a park and the king
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of Kolinga some I think it pretty sure
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it's an ancient country on the east
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coast of India the king of Kolinga took
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his herm of wives there and then he took
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a nap and the herm of wives saw this
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aesthetic meditating under a tree. So
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they all kind of circled around him and
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he started teaching them, you know, some
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sort of pre Buddhist dharma.
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Then the king of Kolinga wakes up. He
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doesn't see his wives anywhere. He gets
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pissed off because like totalitarian
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monarchs get pissed off easy. And he
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goes and he sees the the women all
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sitting around this this kiwadi, this
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this teacher of patience. And so he
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starts demanding, you know, an
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explanation for why, you know, this this
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man is is like monopolizing in the
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attention of his wives. And when he
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hears that he teaches patience, he has
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some henchman, you know, some bodyguard
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start hacking off limbs one by one. And
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then, you know, he's he's being all
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superior and saying, "Do you teach
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patience now? Do you teach patience
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now?" you know, as his hands and feet
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and everything are getting chopped off
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and the even before he was a fully
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enlightened Buddha, you know, he still
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was not, you know, help, help, I'm being
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repressed kind of stuff, you know, he
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just accepted it because that's like a
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Buddhist virtue is to accept oppression
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with patience and equinimity, especially
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if you're a heavy hitter. I mean the
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real Buddhists in ancient India were the
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aesthetics, the renuncience. You know
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the holy life begins with renunciation.
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So certainly someone who has renounced
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the world and is no longer like
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wallowing in political views and all
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that you know he's not going to be
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blaming you know some patriarchal
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oppression you know some some chhatria
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class anything like that. He just
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accepts that the world he lives in is a
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creation of his own karma anyway.
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So you sort of like echartol says I mean
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when you're finding fault with other
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people it's like you're standing in a
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mirror finding fault with your own
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reflection because the outer world that
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we believe ourselves to be living in is
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like an outward projection of our own
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inner turmoil.
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So, you could say a devout Buddhist,
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especially an unenlightened one, could
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like point at an oppressor, you know,
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like you've got like monks protesting
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against the military government in Burma
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from time to time. I'm sure monks have
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done similar things in places like
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Thailand and Sri Lanka.
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They're not the best monks necessarily.
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They're not the ones going alone like
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the horn of the rhinoceros and
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meditating under trees in the forest.
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You know, they're still staying at
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monasteries in town and getting involved
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in the political scene and all that. But
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still, I mean, if you're a Buddhist, you
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can still care about politics and all
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that. You can still like observe
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oppression and like not favor it.
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But if you're really a heavy hitter who
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has renounced the world, I mean, you're
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just going to forgive your enemies like
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Jesus was telling his disciples in a
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different country, in a different a
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different age,
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you know, just
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be patient.
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So, how could someone firmly set on the
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ancient path ever pointing and say,
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"Here, this man is my oppressor." Well,
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it depends on how firmly he is set on
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the ancient path. You know, I mean, you
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can have people that practice diligently
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their whole lives, but they're just not
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ripe for enlightenment yet. They still
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have, you know, they they still have
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defilements holding them down, so to
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speak. And so they still may be, you
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know, pointing their finger and and
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accusing someone of being their
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oppressor just because, you know,
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they're they might be firmly set on the
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ancient path, at least with regard to
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habits and intentions and everything,
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but still they don't have wisdom
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developed well enough
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not to be accusing somebody as their
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oppressor.
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Ah, okay.
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So I guess I answered that one and I'm
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just going to move on to the next
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question which is from Sioax and Cipad
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Zidana and Siovak and Cipad Zitana
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was looking at his phone stats and like
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the usage data usage stats and found
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that he's averaging like 18 hours a day
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on his phone which you would think would
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be impossible unless you're using your
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phone to play like relaxing YouTube
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soundtracks of waves crashing. ing on
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the shore to help you sleep at night.
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Maybe then,
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but he seems to be online pretty much
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every waking hour. And so his question
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is has no question marks at all. He just
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says internet addiction help.
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And help is easier said than done
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because of course like Schopenhau our
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hero Schopenhau used to say the only way
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you can change a person's behavior under
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certain circumstances is to change that
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person's perceptions. So their way of
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looking at the world has to change in
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order for their behavior to change under
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the same circumstances.
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So if Seofax and Cupad Zena now wants to
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stop like
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staring at his phone all day long, then
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you're going to have to have some kind
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of different perception of the
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situation. Otherwise, I mean, you can
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avoid the temptation. You know, just in
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a moment of strength, fling your phone
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out the window and then just do without
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one for, you know, he just can't stand
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it anymore and go get another phone.
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But still, I mean, that's not solving
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the problem. That's just removing
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yourself from the temptation. And as
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soon as the temptation comes back,
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there's a good chance you're just going
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to dive head first right back into it
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again. That is somewhat of a problem
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like with living the monk's life that
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you can be a monk for many years. I I
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mean, I I know this from experience. You
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can be a monk for many years and there
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are certain temptations you're not
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exposed to, certain circumstances you're
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not exposed to. But then even after
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decades, you come back into that
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situation and these old habits, these
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latent tendencies just come right back
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up to the surface again.
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So if you really want to cure yourself
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of internet addiction, you have to be
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positive. You have to be certain that
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you should stop staring at your phone
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all the time because if you got any
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doubts, you know, you're 90% every once
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in a while that 10% is going to rise to
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the ascendant and you're going to start
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staring at the phone again. So, I mean,
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you can replace certain habits with
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other more wholesome habits,
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but still sooner or later, you're going
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to have to tackle the whole perception
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problem.
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And I mean, a lot of times any kind of
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addiction, a lot people are very
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stubborn, very hard-headed. You know,
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it's like Pavlov's dogs where Pavlov
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realized that you can teach an old dog
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new tricks. It's unteing it the old
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tricks that is the hard part.
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So, I mean, you may have to hit rock
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bottom. You know, some people, they're
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addicted to some intoxicant, for
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example. So, I mean, they might have to
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lose their wife, their job, their
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family, their home, their reputation,
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all their friends. They might have to
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just be completely just devastated
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before they're really willing to to face
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the fact that that addiction is not good
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for them. They better change.
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But it takes sometimes it you might have
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to just hit rock bottom, an absolute
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crisis. And one thing about internet
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addiction is it's harder to hit rock
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bottom through internet addiction than
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it is from being strung out on
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amphetamines, for example.
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So,
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I mean, you could just force yourself to
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go without staring at your phone for a
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few days. Maybe go outside and like
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touch grass and smell flowers and take a
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walk through the park. And maybe you'll
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actually see that in many respects it's
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preferable to just sort of becoming a
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complete introvert and using like the
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internet as a kind of seventh sense
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where you know you're like some Brahma
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in some Brahma realm who just doesn't
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actually do much physically. He's just
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like scanning the universe
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with his, you know, with his like super
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knowledge, his his divine vision, his
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divine eye.
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You know, it's internet's kind of like
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that. I mean, the internet is like a
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like a new sense organ. You know, the
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computer itself or the phone is like the
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organ itself, while the the sensory data
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is just the all this information coming
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through the internet.
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So, I can somewhat sympathize. I mean,
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even at my worst, I wouldn't I wouldn't
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be spending 18 hours online or even half
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that maybe. I mean, there probably been
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there probably been days where I was
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online for, you know, nine hours at
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least. There have been days, it's not
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every day, certainly not days that I
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have to work.
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In a way, I'm kind of fortunate that my
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new job, we're not allowed to have cell
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phones when we're working. And
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ostensibly, the reason is that because
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I'm working in a like a chemical place,
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there could be um volatile vapors in the
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air that a spark from the from the
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circuitry in your cell phone could
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ignite. You know, it's like completely
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like it's EE. It's I can't remember what
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EE stands for, but you're not allowed to
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have like propane cylinders, like like
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forklifts that run on on liquid propane,
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anything like that. Even flashlights.
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They just recently banned smartphones,
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any anything with like a a battery
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that's rechargeable because somehow a
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tiny little spark could ignite that, you
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know, like flammable vapors in the
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atmosphere.
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So, in a way, it's kind of fortunate for
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me because there's a good chance I'd be
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killing zombies a lot of the time at
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work if there wasn't this rule. And
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instead, I started reading books again.
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I just finished reading uh The Guns of
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August by Barbara Tuckman, which was on
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kind of a bucket list. You know, I
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always kind of intended to read that
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book and it was good. I mean, World War
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I was is it's in a way it's kind of too
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bad that everyone forgot about World War
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I when World War II happened. Then all
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of a sudden World War II gets all the
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press.
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But getting back to Sea of Action Cadet
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and his internet addiction. I mean I
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mean if you really want to stop being
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addicted to the internet just do without
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a phone for a while. I mean if it's
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absolutely necessary for your existence.
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I mean if if you're on online 18 hours a
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day then I mean probably you're you're
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not having to work for a living.
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So, I mean, get a job that requires you
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to actually like move around and
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interact with your surroundings. I mean,
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that that might help.
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Just avoid the temptation at first, but
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sooner or later, you're just going to
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have to realize that scrolling on your
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phone all day long is just not optimal.
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It's not the best way of occupying your
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time. Buddha's last words, you know,
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all things are subject to decay. So work
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out your salvation with diligence.
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So yeah, I mean, Sebastian Caden, you're
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going to have to do all the work, buddy.
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I can just sit here and sort of
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philosophize about it, but I mean,
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you're the one that's going to have to
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do it. It's really all it takes is just
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one firm decision,
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some determination.
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Stick with that decision.
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I mean, there's even ways you can even
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have I think your phone you you can like
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limit the time on your phone. It's like
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your your phone can just cut you off
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after x number of hours. I'm pretty sure
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that that's an option. I mean, something
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like that. I mean that's kind of like a
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stop gap jerryrigate kind of way of
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dealing with the problem which is not a
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solution to the problem at all. The
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solution isn't going to happen until you
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change your perception so that it stops
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being even a temptation really.
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But I guess I should just move on to the
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next question. And this is kind of a
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weird one. This is I mean this is kind
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of like a vegetarian argument in
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disguise. It seems to me, you know,
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there there I mean it's happened a lot.
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I I get I encounter people who just
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insist that any devout Buddhist must be
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a vegetarian or else he's just a fraud
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and hypocrite and all that. Even though
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of course the Buddha ate meat and he did
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not forbid eating meat to the SA. He did
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not forbid eating meat to lay supporters
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etc.
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But anyways, let's just get back to
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Siovakia and CPAD Zeno's question after
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I first make sure. Yeah, it looks like
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we are recording. That's good. And I
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hope the new microphone's working good,
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too.
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Action says, "Suppose the Congo
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industrialized and instead of eating
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pygmy people by hunting them, they were
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mass breeding them in factory farming
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type situations. Would Buddhism be able
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to give the Congalles people a reason as
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to why they shouldn't engage in the
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cannibalism and purchasing of human
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meat?
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Well, if the Congolese people really are
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hunting and eating pygmies, and I've
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I've never really heard of that. I mean,
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I've heard that that pygmies are
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generally owned by like a taller person
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that I mean, the pygmies, they really
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are just like a second class. I don't
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know if they're even citizens,
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but still, I mean, it's like there's
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obviously this disparity between the big
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people and the little people in the
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Congo.
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But I mean, so that's this theoretical
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situation from this guy who who just
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really spends too much time on his phone
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is that in the Congo, the people start
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breeding pygmies in factory farms and
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then like selling pygmy meat. You know,
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they could have like, you know, fast
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food, you know, mc pygmy.
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Try the new pygmy nachos.
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Buffalo pygmies.
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So, and so they've got they're selling
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pygmy meat at the grocery store now. And
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then Sioipad
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who spends way too much online, way too
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much time, says, "Would Buddhism be able
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to give the Congolese people a reason as
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to why they shouldn't engage in the
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cannibalism and purchasing of human
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meat?"
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Well, I don't know if the Congolese I
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mean, if they're really eating pygmies,
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they might not consider the pygmies to
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be human. I mean, I have seen that in
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places like the Congo, you know, you can
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buy like black market gorilla meat and
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chimpanzee meat. You know, it's sort of
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a high status thing. And I think people
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that are willing even to eat gorilla
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that I mean, they're really pretty much
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immune to any kind of philosophical
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ethical arguments, it would seem to me.
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Or like even in China where they're
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they're like eating monkey brains. They
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got like the live monkey brought to
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their table and they're like hitting it
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in the head which supposedly like
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flavors it up somehow.
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H So I mean people like that abstract
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philosophical arguments in the realm of
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ethics probably it's not going to make
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much of an impression on them.
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But let's see.
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Would Buddhism be able to give the
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Congolese people? Well, I mean, some
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people might not even consider the
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Congolese to be human. I mean, there are
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people like that. I mean, it's
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but and then again, you got Roman
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Catholics that practice ritual
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cannibalism at mass.
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Like on a on a regular basis, they're
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practicing ritual cannibalism
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via the miracle of transubstantiation.
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So I mean
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maybe
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these Buddhists should also be uh taking
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the the Catholics aside and explain to
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them that cannibalism even ritual
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cannibalism that is considered sacred
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maybe should be avoided.
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So Buddhism I mean supposedly it could I
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mean I think Seio Zida is deliberately
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trying to make a a backdoor kind of
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argument against Buddhists like buying
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meat and eating even beef.
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I mean how far down the the the
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evolutionary scale so to speak you'd be
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willing to go? I mean, clams.
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I mean, is that kind of
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semicism because we're eating fellow
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beings?
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H.
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So,
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would Buddhist I mean, this this is
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actually a tough question partly because
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of course it's kind of like this
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backdoor argument for Buddhists
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shouldn't eat meat.
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So I mean the arguments the higher up on
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the scale you go from the Buddhist point
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of view I mean just the killing of it
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gets worse.
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So I mean killing a human is worse than
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slapping a mosquito.
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So really, the Buddhists should be going
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to the factory farms and trying to
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persuade these factory farm operators
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that even though they're making good
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money farming these pygmies and send
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trucking them to the slaughterhouse and
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all that, that probably be better if
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they don't do that kind of stuff.
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So yeah, I think the Buddhists would be
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on firmer ground against the people
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actually killing the pygmies rather than
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the ones who are just like wrapping the
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pygmy meat and and sending it to the
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grocery store or going into the grocery
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store and buying, you know, I don't know
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what US the Congo version of USDA choice
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would be for pygmy meat,
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but this is just kind of a weird
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question. In a way, it's just sort of a
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again backdoor argument in favor of
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requiring all Buddhists to be
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vegetarian, even though the Buddha
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himself refused to require to make
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Buddhists be vegetarian.
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So, I think I'm just going to move on to
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see
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next question. And two people asked the
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same question this time. Not very
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surprising. He says, "Thoughts on the
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Lindsay Clansancy situation?" question
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mark.
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And Lindsey Clancy, I mean, pretty much
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everybody knows about Lindsay Clancy, at
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least in the USA, where there's this
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woman who strangles her three children.
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And there's I mean, she's made more than
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$3 million on GoFundMe from liberal
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women. Just Yes. Go. You're I mean, the
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thing is they consider Lindsey Clancy to
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be the victim. I mean, they just kind of
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ignore the three children that got
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strangled. Or even the husband who comes
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home to find his three children
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strangled. In fact, some of these women,
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despite the fact that Lindsay Clancy
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admitted to killing her children,
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they're still saying that the husband
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did it. You know, there it's like this
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cult, you know, trust the women. And so,
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even though this woman just admittedly
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strangled her own three children,
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they're still on her side. And they're
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saying, well, she had postpartum
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psychosis. She was not in her right
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mind. She loved her children, but then
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she heard this voice saying to kill
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them, and then she was like, "Okay." And
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then she killed them. And and she did it
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with forethought, you know, she planned
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it out. She was looking at stuff on the
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internet, you know, like on severing the
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corateed artery and this kind of thing.
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And also she tricked her husband into
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going to some place across town to give
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her time to kill the children. And he
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even called from the other side of town
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and she was like in the midst of killing
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her children or so I have read and she
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actually talked on the phone like like
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everything's fine, you know, take your
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time, honey. And then she went back to
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strangling her children.
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So people are saying she's not guilty by
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.870
reason of insanity. like they had this
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this murder trial for her just recently
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and it was a hung jury because one man
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stubbornly insisted that she was guilty
00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:50.149
of murdering her children. The other 11
00:26:50.159 --> 00:26:54.070
mostly white liberal women were saying,
00:26:54.080 --> 00:26:56.470
"Oh, the poor deer, she's, you know,
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essentially she's the victim."
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And I mean in a way it's just another
00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:05.190
step for you know progressives in the
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.830
United States who already have in places
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like Massachusetts I assume just free
00:27:11.919 --> 00:27:15.590
abortion right up to 9 months. I mean so
00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:18.950
right until labor. So I mean it's just
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.950
another step to legalize infanticide
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at least for women. I mean, if it was a
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.430
man who strangled his three children, I
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mean, they'd be they'd be demanding the
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.110
death penalty.
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But Lindsay Clancy, you know, she was
00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:37.190
her hormones were out of kilter like so
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.669
many other women, many such cases, and
00:27:39.679 --> 00:27:41.990
she kills her children. And she's the
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.110
hero. Literally, she made she has made
00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:48.310
more than $3 million on GoFundMe. I
00:27:48.320 --> 00:27:52.149
mean, Jeffrey Dawnmer, he was insane,
00:27:52.159 --> 00:27:54.389
too. Did he get not guilty on by reason
00:27:54.399 --> 00:27:58.470
of insanity? No. If he had a GoFundMe,
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.230
they'd shut it down immediately.
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.470
So, in my personal opinion, any kind of
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.230
violent criminal arguably is mentally
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ill. I mean from the Buddhist point of
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view
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I mean everyone who isn't an arahant
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.830
is insane or pujino umico it's a saying
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in pi you know the common person is out
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of his mind
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so I mean if Lindsey Clancy is not
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.029
guilty
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um because because of insanity on
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grounds of insanity so many others like
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sociopathic
00:28:37.679 --> 00:28:40.710
serial killers who don't know the
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.070
difference between right and wrong. They
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don't give a about any difference
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between right and wrong. I mean, they
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.990
should be not guilty, too.
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.430
It seems to me that anyone who murders
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three children should be permanently
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removed from society. I mean, if you
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want to lock her up in an Institute for
00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:02.070
the Criminally insane,
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fine. So long as she's locked up and
00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:09.909
removed from society permanently.
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at least on what has been considered
00:29:13.679 --> 00:29:15.830
just like liberal
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standards.
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You know, I I agree. I I admit like
00:29:20.159 --> 00:29:23.669
early Roman Republic, the Peter Familas,
00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:26.310
the Pater Familas, who was like he was
00:29:26.320 --> 00:29:29.669
the father of the family. He was the the
00:29:29.679 --> 00:29:32.070
sovereign lord of his family. He had the
00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:33.669
power of life and death over his wife
00:29:33.679 --> 00:29:35.830
and children. He could kill his kids and
00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:37.830
not go to prison for it. But I mean,
00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:39.669
we're in somewhat of a more
00:29:39.679 --> 00:29:48.950
sophisticated age than like 500 BC.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.950
So, I mean, I think that she should be
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.669
found guilty even if she is a nutcase.
00:29:57.679 --> 00:29:59.990
I mean, just being a nutcase. I mean,
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.389
consider what's his name? Demarcus Dec.
00:30:02.399 --> 00:30:05.029
Carlos Jones or whatever. The guy who
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.510
stabbed the young Ukrainian woman in the
00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:10.230
neck on a public transport in North
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Carolina. He's insane, too. I mean, they
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:17.430
found him not fit to stand trial.
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.990
But, I mean, he he just he kept getting
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.710
turned loose by these leftist judges,
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.269
you know, go and sin no more, my child.
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.029
And then he would just commit more
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.029
crimes. And they just keep doing it.
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:30.230
Just keep letting him go. He'd commit
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.669
more crimes. Keep doing it. commit more
00:30:31.679 --> 00:30:33.190
crimes because of course the poor
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.190
darling is like marginalized mentally
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.070
ill and so forth. He's he's a victim too
00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:42.870
supposedly.
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But the thing is when you got people
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.630
doing this kind of stuff, they should be
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.470
removed from society and not just
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.549
removed from society for a little while
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.950
until they say they're sorry and then
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.590
just turn loose again.
00:30:57.600 --> 00:30:59.830
I mean, it's like in in Lindsay Clancy's
00:30:59.840 --> 00:31:02.630
family, everyone in her family is more
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.350
of a victim than she is. I mean, her
00:31:05.360 --> 00:31:07.110
three children obviously were strangled
00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:09.830
to death by their own mother. Her
00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:12.789
husband, he comes home to find his
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.669
children strangled to death and his wife
00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:17.510
crippled, lying outside a window from
00:31:17.520 --> 00:31:19.110
where she made a feeble attempt at
00:31:19.120 --> 00:31:23.990
killing herself.
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.430
I don't know. I think some people just
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.029
ask questions like this just to hear me
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.470
rant.
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.630
But yeah, I mean, if I were on the if I
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.870
were on the jury,
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.870
um, probably I mean, I not exposed to
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:40.870
all the evidence,
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.789
but based on what I know about it, which
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.870
are just the general the general outline
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.509
of the case, I think I would find her
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.750
guilty.
00:31:49.760 --> 00:31:52.710
That I mean, Jeffrey Dmer was insane.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.110
Nobody was declaring that he was a
00:31:55.120 --> 00:31:57.190
victim.
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.710
Just because you're insane doesn't mean
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:00.870
you're not guilty.
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.269
But I will say that there is a kind of
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.909
loophole in Vineia in the Buddhist
00:32:05.919 --> 00:32:08.789
monastic code where someone who is so
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.470
insane
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.950
and the stereotypical example of this is
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.350
a monk named Gaga.
00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:17.430
But when you're so out of your mind that
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.830
you don't even remember doing the stuff
00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:23.269
that you did, then you're not guilty of
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.110
committing of like committing the
00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:29.269
offense. If you're so out of your mind,
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:33.110
you don't even recall doing it, then in
00:32:33.120 --> 00:32:36.310
a way that's kind of an out.
00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:38.549
But I'm pretty sure Lindsay Clancy knew
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.630
what she was doing. You know, she was
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.029
planning it.
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.190
She planned it and executed it according
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.509
to plan and it was it was premeditated.
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.269
But getting back to that loophole, I was
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.350
thinking that some monk I mean all he'd
00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:56.149
have to do is just drink so much that he
00:32:56.159 --> 00:32:57.590
blacked out and couldn't remember
00:32:57.600 --> 00:32:59.110
anything the next day and he could just
00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:01.190
go out drinking and horning and doing
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.710
all kinds of things that monks aren't
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:04.470
supposed to do. Although I've never
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.549
actually heard of a case of that
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.470
actually happening.
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.430
But Lindsay Clancy, I mean, if even if
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:17.590
she is found mentally ill, I think it's
00:33:17.600 --> 00:33:20.070
still she should be locked up. I mean,
00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:21.990
just because you have like this flare up
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.789
of insanity, like a guy comes home,
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.590
finds his wife in bed with the milkman,
00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:29.669
and just goes berserk, and like
00:33:29.679 --> 00:33:32.549
terminates both of them. I mean, still
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.549
he's going to be found guilty even
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:40.070
though he was like freaking out.
00:33:40.080 --> 00:33:42.630
I mean, it might be like an extenduating
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.549
factor. You know, he might not get as
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.269
severe of a penalty as if, you know, he
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.269
was just coldbloodedly
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.430
killed two people that for no for no
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.350
good reason.
00:33:55.360 --> 00:33:59.750
So, in in summation, your honor, my
00:33:59.760 --> 00:34:01.110
thoughts on the Lindsey Clansancy
00:34:01.120 --> 00:34:05.029
situation is I mean, first of all, I'd
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.550
be with that one hold out on the jury
00:34:08.560 --> 00:34:11.990
and just say, "Yeah, she's guilty." But
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.310
even if she was found not guilty by
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.629
reason of insanity, she should be locked
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.270
up in a mental institution instead of a
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.430
prison and still do the full sentence.
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:27.589
just do it there instead of in prison.
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:28.869
So, I'm just gonna move on. Next
00:34:28.879 --> 00:34:31.349
question. This is from Romeo.
00:34:31.359 --> 00:34:33.669
And Romeo says, "President Trump's
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.629
son-in-law Jared Kushner said in a live
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.030
stream a few years ago that his
00:34:39.040 --> 00:34:41.109
generation might be the first to live
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.589
forever. We're the last generation to
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.310
die due to advances in medical science
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.790
and technology which are increasingly
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.349
conquering aging. Based on your
00:34:51.359 --> 00:34:54.069
knowledge of science, can you ever
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.030
conceive of immortality being possible
00:34:57.040 --> 00:35:00.470
for humans? Considering how overall life
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.270
in Samsara is suffering, is achieving
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.230
immortality even desirable, would you
00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:07.510
like to live forever if it were
00:35:07.520 --> 00:35:08.710
possible? Okay, that's a different
00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:10.230
question. In fact, there's three
00:35:10.240 --> 00:35:12.390
questions here, man. How did I not see
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.910
that? There's three questions. Now, I
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.990
got to separate the paragraph.
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.990
Poor me. I got to separate paragraphs.
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.750
Okay. So, the first question, based on
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:29.829
your knowledge of science, can you ever
00:35:29.839 --> 00:35:31.990
conceive of immortality being possible
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.589
for humans? Not immortality. I mean, I
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.990
can conceive how they could cure old
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.670
age. They can c they can cure cancer.
00:35:41.680 --> 00:35:44.550
They can cure like any kind of
00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:47.589
contagious disease, even congenital
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.870
disease in some cases.
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.950
um they can cure that but still it's not
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.310
going to be immortality. You're not
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.470
going to live forever. You might live
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.510
astronomically long lifespans like the
00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:01.829
davas and brahas in Buddhist heaven
00:36:01.839 --> 00:36:03.430
realms. But what happens when the sun
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.910
goes nova,
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.870
you know? I mean, even if they have a
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.790
cure for old age and all that, I mean,
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.270
still you can die in a plane crash. You
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.589
can die in a car wreck. You know, the
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.950
the dam can burst. There's all like a
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.589
meteor impact. There's all this stuff
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.829
that I mean you may live thousands of
00:36:23.839 --> 00:36:26.230
years but sooner or later you're gonna
00:36:26.240 --> 00:36:29.109
get squished or some such.
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.670
So it's not really immortality. Even
00:36:31.680 --> 00:36:33.990
though some Brahmas may live billions of
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.150
years, still they're not immortal. And
00:36:36.160 --> 00:36:39.910
what happens when like the sun goes
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.310
nova? I mean what are you going to do
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.950
then? You're not going to die if you're
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.589
really immortal.
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.589
I mean, you get sucked into a sucked
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.829
into a a black hole or something and
00:36:51.839 --> 00:36:54.310
somehow you're still alive.
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.589
You just get drawn into the
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.670
gravitational field of some star and
00:36:57.680 --> 00:36:59.910
you're just in there. It'd be like
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.390
eternal damnation. You're stuck inside
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.470
of a star.
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.990
It'd be very hot in there.
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.030
So yeah, I think it is possible they can
00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:15.990
cure old age and they can have like
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.630
regenerative therapies and cure the
00:37:18.640 --> 00:37:21.030
diseases and cure cancer and all that.
00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:22.790
Yeah, I don't I don't I don't see that
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.510
there's that's impossible and they're
00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:28.710
certainly trying to do that.
00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:30.630
Although the technological singularity
00:37:30.640 --> 00:37:33.030
may just render the whole question kind
00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:38.069
of pointless.
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.069
So yeah, I think like curing old age and
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.230
curing diseases is possible, but even
00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:45.990
then immortality is still not going to
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.190
happen. I mean like the the entropy
00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:51.829
death of the universe. I mean you can
00:37:51.839 --> 00:37:53.030
just going to be floating around in
00:37:53.040 --> 00:37:56.630
space still alive.
00:37:56.640 --> 00:37:59.990
So yeah, it wouldn't be true immortality
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.230
just like the davas and brahas in the
00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:03.430
Buddhist heaven realms who have
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.750
astronomically long lifespans are still
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.630
not immortal.
00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:11.430
Okay. So second second question from
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.430
Romeo.
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.750
Considering how overall life in samsara
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.310
is suffering is achieving immortality
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.829
even desirable? Well, really the way it
00:38:21.839 --> 00:38:24.630
is set up now, just going with assuming
00:38:24.640 --> 00:38:28.310
that the Buddhist idea of rebirth is
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.390
legit, then that would be preferable to
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.390
one delusional ego just continuing
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.030
forever. And the delusion would probably
00:38:39.040 --> 00:38:41.670
continue forever. I mean, it would seem
00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:43.349
there's a good chance of it considering
00:38:43.359 --> 00:38:45.190
that the older you get, the more set in
00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:47.990
your ways you are. And then what happens
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.829
if your brain just finally just your
00:38:49.839 --> 00:38:52.870
memory is just maxed out in your brain?
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.710
What are you going to do then? I mean
00:38:54.720 --> 00:38:56.550
they probably have some technological
00:38:56.560 --> 00:38:58.550
way where you can just go back and erase
00:38:58.560 --> 00:39:01.190
certain memories just to you know just
00:39:01.200 --> 00:39:04.310
pack the disc so that you can like start
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.870
storing memory again.
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.430
But I think
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:14.470
dying, living a x number of decades and
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.470
then dying and then being reborn and
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.349
having a new and different life with
00:39:19.359 --> 00:39:21.910
like some of the same themes, you know,
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.470
the same momentum
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.390
largely,
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.950
but still, you know, you're young again
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.630
and
00:39:30.640 --> 00:39:34.390
it's just you're more flexible.
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.710
You know, you can learn more easily. you
00:39:36.720 --> 00:39:38.550
can change your ways more easily because
00:39:38.560 --> 00:39:41.750
you don't have like 80,000 years of
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.190
established habit just doing this one
00:39:45.200 --> 00:39:48.390
thing necessarily.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.030
So I true immortality wouldn't be
00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:52.390
desirable because you know sooner or
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:53.510
later everyone's just going to be
00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:55.589
floating around in space after the
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.630
universe dies. all the stars burn out
00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:01.030
and you just got these immortal beings
00:40:01.040 --> 00:40:03.829
just kind of floating in space
00:40:03.839 --> 00:40:05.910
maybe stuck onto the surface of some
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:11.510
dead neutron star or something.
00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:15.030
But yeah, I mean people can desire damn
00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:17.750
near anything. They can desire owning
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.190
every single labu ever created,
00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:23.270
but you know, they can desire having all
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.230
of the merch with regard to Princess
00:40:26.240 --> 00:40:28.470
Diana, all the decorator plates and all
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.349
that. I mean, it's desirable for some
00:40:31.359 --> 00:40:33.990
people, I guess,
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.190
but I don't think that it's really it
00:40:37.200 --> 00:40:40.390
would be best. It would not be con more
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.630
most conducive to their happiness in the
00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:44.470
long run, even if they got what they
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.109
wanted.
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:48.790
So
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.910
yeah, I think the way it's set up now,
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.150
just assuming that Buddhism is correct,
00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:57.030
would be preferable to just remaining in
00:40:57.040 --> 00:40:59.829
the same delusional ego, you know, the
00:40:59.839 --> 00:41:03.270
same meat puppet and just remaining
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:04.870
deluded
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.109
for for an eternity or even for many
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.270
thousands of years before you finally
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.230
get taken out by a meteor impact or some
00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:17.589
such.
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:21.990
volcanic eruption.
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.589
But then again, I mean, they might have
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.589
be able to just clone you and implant
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:27.670
your your personality back into the new
00:41:27.680 --> 00:41:30.950
clone.
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.109
Let's see.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.790
Okay, so I'll just move on to the next
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.589
question here, which is also by Romeo.
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.030
Would you like to live forever if it
00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:41.349
were possible? I mean, not forever
00:41:41.359 --> 00:41:42.870
because
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.390
I mean, first of all, I mean, there
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.589
would be no paribana.
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.230
And I mean, like like I've been saying,
00:41:50.240 --> 00:41:53.990
I mean, at after the the sun burns out,
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.390
after the earth is gone, you're just
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.230
going to be floating in in outer space.
00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:02.630
The entropy death of the the the
00:42:02.640 --> 00:42:04.870
astronomical universe. What are you
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.309
going to do then?
00:42:08.319 --> 00:42:10.230
So, no, I would not like to live forever
00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:15.829
even if it were possible.
00:42:15.839 --> 00:42:17.510
Uh,
00:42:17.520 --> 00:42:19.109
I mean, a lot of people, it's just like
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.670
this animal instinct, fear of death,
00:42:21.680 --> 00:42:23.349
that, you know, they just want to live
00:42:23.359 --> 00:42:25.430
forever. Nobody really wants to get old
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.190
and decrepit, but everyone wants to live
00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:29.270
till they're really old, which is kind
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:34.230
of self-contradictory, it seems to me.
00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:36.069
But I mean just assuming that there is
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.750
such a thing as rebirth. I mean that in
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.910
itself is a kind of immortality until
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.030
you finally get it right. It's like
00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:43.109
groundhog day.
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.630
Just keep doing it over and over again
00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:46.950
until you get it perfect and then you
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.589
don't have to do it no more. I mean this
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.270
samsara that we're living in is
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.910
generated by delusion anyway. So living
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.790
forever would be like a like infinite
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.390
delusion. It would be eternal delusion
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:01.829
in a way. It'd be sort of like a
00:43:01.839 --> 00:43:08.470
Buddhist like eternal damnation.
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.630
But then again, I'm probably less afraid
00:43:10.640 --> 00:43:15.190
of death than most people.
00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:16.390
And I think I'm just going to move on to
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:17.910
the next question. This is from Dr.
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:19.589
Scary.
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.990
And somebody told me that they know who
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.950
this person is.
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.790
So I'm not really surprised by the
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.309
questions.
00:43:28.319 --> 00:43:33.030
Dr. Scary says the world's top 1% own
00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:37.349
more wealth than 95% of all humanity.
00:43:37.359 --> 00:43:41.510
And in America, the top 1% own 30% of
00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:44.470
all the wealth. First, oh, there's two
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.790
questions here. I got to separate these.
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:53.510
Okay. First, do you think this is just?
00:43:53.520 --> 00:43:56.630
Well, it depends on your definition of
00:43:56.640 --> 00:44:00.069
justice. I suppose that I mean when you
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.270
have hardworking, intelligent people who
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.589
earn a lot of money that they should be
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.470
able to keep that money that could be
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.990
considered just also that a person like
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.470
a person who has made a lot of money who
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.510
wants to bequeath that money to his own
00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:19.829
children or to whomever he chooses to
00:44:19.839 --> 00:44:23.190
bequeath it upon. I mean, is that
00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:25.270
unjust?
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.150
I don't think so.
00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:30.150
So, it depends on your definition of
00:44:30.160 --> 00:44:33.030
justice.
00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:35.109
um when when you think that some people
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.109
are rich or some people are poor. I
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.790
mean, you could you could take that to a
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.910
more cosmic scale, you know, is it just
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:46.630
that humans have so much privilege
00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:50.150
compared to other species of animal or
00:44:50.160 --> 00:44:53.190
just think of the like the the 31 plains
00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:56.150
of existence. I mean, is it just that so
00:44:56.160 --> 00:44:57.829
few beings get up into the heaven
00:44:57.839 --> 00:45:00.630
realms? There's way more beings farther
00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:03.829
down that are living in like hunger and
00:45:03.839 --> 00:45:08.710
fear and misery. Is that just?
00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:10.309
I mean, it's just the way the universe
00:45:10.319 --> 00:45:13.750
works to some degree. There is no equity
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.470
on the 31 plains of existence. We are
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.430
creating our own reality. And if someone
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.309
creates a reality in which they are
00:45:22.319 --> 00:45:25.109
deprived or oppressed or whatever, I
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.510
mean, it's not necessarily the fault of
00:45:27.520 --> 00:45:30.309
some rich person
00:45:30.319 --> 00:45:33.750
who has managed to generate a more
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:39.670
agreeable kind of universe for himself.
00:45:39.680 --> 00:45:41.990
So there is a kind of justice in this
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.030
world in that from a karmic point of
00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:49.270
view everyone gets essentially
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.349
what they ought to get and you can say
00:45:51.359 --> 00:45:53.030
it's victim blaming and all that
00:45:53.040 --> 00:45:54.950
completely politically incorrect from a
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.870
leftist point of view which causes
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.190
leftists to pretty much reject certain
00:45:59.200 --> 00:46:01.190
aspects of Buddhist philosophy. Even
00:46:01.200 --> 00:46:02.470
though they might consider themselves to
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:05.910
be Buddhists, still they just cannot
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:06.950
believe that the Buddha would have
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.230
taught something that's politically
00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:10.230
incorrect from an early 21st century
00:46:10.240 --> 00:46:13.589
perspective. So that has to be just
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.030
added later. That's fake.
00:46:19.040 --> 00:46:20.710
So it depends on how you look at it. In
00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:22.950
answer to that first question, I'd say
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.230
that there is a kind of justice in this
00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:28.710
world.
00:46:28.720 --> 00:46:31.430
the way things are set up, there is a
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.790
certain kind of justice. Not like
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.430
neo-Marxist justice,
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.150
which in a way isn't very just either. I
00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:41.510
think we're going to get to that in the
00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:45.109
next the next question here. Dr. Scary
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.109
says, second,
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:49.750
with excuse me, with regard only to
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.829
wealth, do you think that a more
00:46:51.839 --> 00:46:54.630
equitable distribution of wealth would
00:46:54.640 --> 00:46:57.030
make for a more equitable and just
00:46:57.040 --> 00:46:59.510
society worldwide? I mean what kind of
00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:01.910
question is this? It's a tautology.
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:03.829
Do you think a more equitable
00:47:03.839 --> 00:47:05.750
distribution of wealth would make for a
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.030
more equitable society? I mean would
00:47:09.040 --> 00:47:10.710
more equity result in more
00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:12.230
equitableness?
00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:16.230
I mean that's essentially the question.
00:47:16.240 --> 00:47:20.790
So I mean I mean it'd be obviously yes
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:22.870
that a more equitable distribution of
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.030
wealth would make for a more equitable
00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:28.550
society at least with regard to the
00:47:28.560 --> 00:47:31.349
amount of wealth people have.
00:47:31.359 --> 00:47:33.510
But the question is just taken for
00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:37.109
granted by Dr. Scary that equitable is
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.150
necessarily good and that's not
00:47:40.160 --> 00:47:41.990
necessarily right at all. He's got a
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.670
more equitable and just society
00:47:43.680 --> 00:47:47.030
worldwide. So, do you think stealing is
00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:49.109
just and equitable? Forget the
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:50.470
equitable. I mean, equitable is
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.950
communism. I mean, a truly equitable
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.069
society would be hardcore communism. And
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:57.990
there aren't very many people in the
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.430
West who are so far off the deep end
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.390
that they think that's a good idea.
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:05.829
Maybe if everyone were fully
00:48:05.839 --> 00:48:08.790
enlightened, we'd have a kind of
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.670
communistic anarchy.
00:48:11.680 --> 00:48:13.990
But the the trouble is that most people
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.670
the overwhelming majority of people are
00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:17.430
not enlightened.
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.470
So is stealing just?
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.790
You just to to steal somebody's
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.109
property. Is that just? I mean, that's
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.910
what it would take to
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.109
redistribute wealth. You have to steal
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.670
from the rich and give it to the poor.
00:48:33.680 --> 00:48:36.549
So, is it just that someone who works
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.910
hard and does a good job, is
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.150
conscientious, intelligent, and so
00:48:42.160 --> 00:48:45.349
forth, is it just that they don't make
00:48:45.359 --> 00:48:47.430
any more money than someone who doesn't
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.349
work hard and does a crappy job and is
00:48:49.359 --> 00:48:52.230
unconscientious and lazy? I mean, is
00:48:52.240 --> 00:48:55.349
that just it's it's equitable? Clearly,
00:48:55.359 --> 00:48:57.510
the hardworking, conscientious person
00:48:57.520 --> 00:48:59.990
who does a good job makes exactly the
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.349
same as the unconscientious lazy person
00:49:03.359 --> 00:49:07.030
who does a shitty job. That's equity.
00:49:07.040 --> 00:49:10.790
But is it just is it just that someone
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.950
who works hard and does a good job
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.349
doesn't get paid anymore than someone
00:49:15.359 --> 00:49:17.670
who is lazy and does a shitty job and is
00:49:17.680 --> 00:49:19.829
unconscientious?
00:49:19.839 --> 00:49:22.390
That is not just.
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.670
Is it just that a person cannot give
00:49:25.680 --> 00:49:28.150
their wealth to their own children? Is
00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:30.069
that just?
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:31.990
Well, to a communist, sure, it's just,
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.589
but to someone who isn't a communist,
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:39.670
it's not as just.
00:49:39.680 --> 00:49:41.829
So,
00:49:41.839 --> 00:49:43.829
an equitable, a more equitable
00:49:43.839 --> 00:49:45.670
distribution of wealth would not lead to
00:49:45.680 --> 00:49:47.750
a just society. it would lead to
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.670
mandatory just mediocrity
00:49:51.680 --> 00:49:53.109
because of course when you're in a
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:57.829
culture that like glorifies the weak and
00:49:57.839 --> 00:50:01.030
like the oppressed and demonizes the
00:50:01.040 --> 00:50:03.589
strong and successful and productive.
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:07.030
Then what happens is you have a bias in
00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:11.190
favor of the people who are essentially
00:50:11.200 --> 00:50:13.349
well I mean a lot of them are just
00:50:13.359 --> 00:50:15.349
parasitic on the economy or on the
00:50:15.359 --> 00:50:17.589
society
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.790
you it's when you glorify the weak and
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.670
demonize the strong punish the strong
00:50:23.680 --> 00:50:26.710
and reward the weak it causes more
00:50:26.720 --> 00:50:30.390
people to want to be weak. It weakens
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.270
society.
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.270
It's this media, this mandatory
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.910
mediocrity. And that's equity. That's
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.870
equitable as hell.
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:42.470
Whether it's just or not depends on
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.549
whether you're economy or not.
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.230
But I don't think it's particularly just
00:50:48.240 --> 00:50:50.069
and it's certainly unnatural because
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.109
there are people who work harder, are
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.589
smarter, more conscientious, and do a
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:58.150
better job, who deserve to have more
00:50:58.160 --> 00:50:59.990
than the person who's just lazy and
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.150
doesn't want to work.
00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:06.870
I mean, even Markx agreed that everyone
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.630
should work,
00:51:08.640 --> 00:51:11.670
but it doesn't work out that way.
00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:13.190
And then even if they do work, they're
00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:14.309
going to get paid exactly the same
00:51:14.319 --> 00:51:15.670
whether they work hard or not. So, they
00:51:15.680 --> 00:51:18.950
don't work hard. Productivity goes down.
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.950
Shortages increase.
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.670
Quality of life goes down. E for
00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:28.390
everybody.
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:30.549
I mean, I'm I'm no disciple of the
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.549
Bhagwan Shiraish alien Osho, but one
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.150
thing he said that that kind of stuck
00:51:36.160 --> 00:51:39.270
with me is that all that socialism
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.950
equalizes is poverty.
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.670
The only way socialism can even work is
00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:47.829
to have some kind of capitalism to
00:51:47.839 --> 00:51:50.390
parasitize.
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.309
like in
00:51:52.319 --> 00:51:54.710
Scandinavian countries, you know, they
00:51:54.720 --> 00:51:56.230
have
00:51:56.240 --> 00:51:58.390
capitalism still intact. It's just
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.870
everyone pays high taxes to pay for the
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.589
socialistic benefits and so forth. But
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.309
you take away that capitalism, it all
00:52:06.319 --> 00:52:08.069
collapses.
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:09.910
Even China isn't really communist
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.349
anymore because they realize that you
00:52:11.359 --> 00:52:13.430
got to have capitalism and even China's
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:17.109
got rich and poor.
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:18.549
I mean, there's no way you're going to
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.309
abolish that. Even the most Marxist
00:52:20.319 --> 00:52:22.710
countries do have existed have had like
00:52:22.720 --> 00:52:24.950
this elite ruling class. They're driving
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.750
around in Mercedes.
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:29.829
Mercedes, is that the plural for
00:52:29.839 --> 00:52:33.109
Mercedes?
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.109
H.
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.230
So,
00:52:38.240 --> 00:52:40.390
a more equitable and just society. I
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.150
mean, just take care of yourself,
00:52:44.160 --> 00:52:47.349
man. Don't Don't be just insisting that
00:52:47.359 --> 00:52:49.030
people that are richer than you should
00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:52.549
have their stuff taken away.
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.349
You want more stuff, work hard, do a
00:52:55.359 --> 00:52:59.270
good job, and earn more stuff.
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.349
Definitely, I'm not a communist. Even
00:53:01.359 --> 00:53:04.549
though I freely admit in a society of
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.790
enlightened arahants,
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.430
it just probably naturally would just
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.109
assume the form of some sort of
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.349
anarchistic communism.
00:53:13.359 --> 00:53:15.750
not Marxism, but some kind of
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.150
communistic society with no personal
00:53:18.160 --> 00:53:24.069
property because there's noy mine.
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:25.750
So, I think I'm just going to move on to
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:30.950
the next question also by Dr. Scary.
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.230
He says, "The Buddha never spoke out
00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:36.150
against owning slaves and never
00:53:36.160 --> 00:53:38.710
condemned slavery. Why do you think that
00:53:38.720 --> 00:53:41.109
is?" Well, I mean the Buddha also, as
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.430
far as I can remember, I don't remember
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.470
him speaking out or against or
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.230
condemning like capital punishment
00:53:48.240 --> 00:53:50.710
either. There were a few times when he
00:53:50.720 --> 00:53:53.990
would intercede with regard to war. You
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.470
know, it was like there was some war
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.750
over it was like a boundary dispute in
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:03.270
between two relatively minor countries
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.270
in the Ganges Valley. In the Buddhist
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.030
time, there were a number of like
00:54:07.040 --> 00:54:09.030
different countries all throughout
00:54:09.040 --> 00:54:12.150
northern India. And you know, he kind of
00:54:12.160 --> 00:54:14.950
persuaded them not to go to war over it.
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.430
But I mean, he wasn't outspoken in his
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:20.549
condemnation even of war or of killing
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.950
animals for meat or of capital
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:26.790
punishment or of slavery because I mean
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.589
he he renounced society. He was mainly
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.349
teaching people who also renounced
00:54:31.359 --> 00:54:34.790
society. And I mean that's just like
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.309
society stuff that really you shouldn't
00:54:38.319 --> 00:54:40.309
be worrying about what other people are
00:54:40.319 --> 00:54:42.230
doing. You should be going alone like
00:54:42.240 --> 00:54:43.910
the horn of a rhinoceros working out
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.069
your own salvation with diligence at the
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.150
root of a tree in a wilderness.
00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:53.270
I mean you can't fix some sorrow. Even
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:54.710
if you make some things better
00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:56.790
inevitably it's going to have
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.670
unanticipated negative side effects that
00:54:59.680 --> 00:55:01.190
are still going to balance out in the
00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:05.109
long run.
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.910
So, I mean, the the the best state for
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:11.109
like someone who really is like what 10
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:12.630
years ago would be called a social
00:55:12.640 --> 00:55:15.750
justice warrior is just sort of
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:20.870
universal mandatory mediocrity.
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.950
Is it fair that some people are born
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.430
with spectacular talent and other people
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.270
are born dullwitted? Is that fair?
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.750
Is it fair that some people tonight are
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.510
going to have good dreams, other people
00:55:33.520 --> 00:55:35.510
tonight are going to have nightmares? Is
00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:41.270
that fair?
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.190
So the Buddha never spoke out against
00:55:43.200 --> 00:55:45.750
owning slaves. In fact, in Vineia, I
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.109
don't think that the Buddha really laid
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.910
these rules down, but there are rules in
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.470
in the poly texts just stating the like
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.950
the the limitations with regard to
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.589
donating slaves to a monastery. You can
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:05.270
actually donate like monastery slaves,
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:06.789
but I don't think the Buddha really made
00:56:06.799 --> 00:56:08.710
rules about that. that probably came
00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:11.990
later after Buddhism became more popular
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.829
and started becoming rich with, you
00:56:13.839 --> 00:56:16.390
know, big rich monasteries that could
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.990
could really use like a a a crew of
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.549
slaves doing the landscaping and that
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.470
kind of stuff.
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:27.910
So, yeah, there was a lot of stuff the
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:29.510
Buddha never spoke out against because
00:56:29.520 --> 00:56:32.630
it really I mean he could in a way it'd
00:56:32.640 --> 00:56:35.190
be like a waste of time. Like I have I
00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:37.670
have read that there were various kinds
00:56:37.680 --> 00:56:40.309
of killing setting aside slaves for the
00:56:40.319 --> 00:56:42.390
moment. There various kinds of killing
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.750
that were just normal in the Buddhist
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.150
time in northern India. There was war
00:56:48.160 --> 00:56:50.309
killing killing criminals you know
00:56:50.319 --> 00:56:52.549
capital punishment also killing animals
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.030
for food and leather and so forth. And
00:56:55.040 --> 00:56:57.430
then there was animal sacrifice.
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.109
The only one of these that the Buddha
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.910
really was outspoken in his condemnation
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.710
of was animal sacrifice.
00:57:04.720 --> 00:57:08.789
And in in the essay that I read, I can't
00:57:08.799 --> 00:57:11.109
remember who wrote it, but the argument
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:14.230
was that that society in northern India
00:57:14.240 --> 00:57:18.710
had advanced enough that it was the time
00:57:18.720 --> 00:57:23.030
was ripe to end animal sacrifice. And
00:57:23.040 --> 00:57:24.870
they they agree that it was largely
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.030
because of Buddhism that animal
00:57:27.040 --> 00:57:28.630
sacrifice
00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:30.470
almost came to an end in India. There's
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:32.150
still animal sacrifice in India now like
00:57:32.160 --> 00:57:35.349
the temple of Kali in Kolkata you know
00:57:35.359 --> 00:57:36.950
still the streets are running red with
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.030
blood at certain times of year at least
00:57:39.040 --> 00:57:41.430
once a year due to just that all the
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.390
animals there getting their throats cut.
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.510
No kie still gets some sacrifices even
00:57:47.520 --> 00:57:49.670
the occasional human sacrifice or so I
00:57:49.680 --> 00:57:51.510
have read
00:57:51.520 --> 00:57:55.589
but I mean animal sacrifice stopped
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.349
being just the standard procedure in
00:57:59.359 --> 00:58:01.829
northern India like in even in like the
00:58:01.839 --> 00:58:04.630
vadic fire sacrifices and so forth they
00:58:04.640 --> 00:58:07.430
started replacing live animals with
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.990
either an effigy or some offering of
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.069
grain or something you know incense
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:16.230
honey and butter that kind of
00:58:16.240 --> 00:58:18.150
Uh but it seems also to me that the
00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:19.990
Buddha spoke out against animal
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:21.670
sacrifice and not against the other
00:58:21.680 --> 00:58:24.789
kinds of mass killing that were standard
00:58:24.799 --> 00:58:27.030
in human society
00:58:27.040 --> 00:58:29.829
because it was considered to be
00:58:29.839 --> 00:58:31.589
religious. You know, it was like a
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.390
practically a spiritual act and that was
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.349
more within his sphere of influence. And
00:58:37.359 --> 00:58:39.510
so, you know, because people are
00:58:39.520 --> 00:58:41.030
thinking that they're going to go to
00:58:41.040 --> 00:58:44.069
heaven for, you know, cutting the throat
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.109
of a cow that I mean, he kind of stepped
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:49.190
in on that and tried to set people
00:58:49.200 --> 00:58:50.870
straight because that was more along the
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.270
lines of spirituality, not just
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.630
maintaining the stability of society
00:58:56.640 --> 00:58:59.430
through armies and punishment of
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:04.789
criminals and eating meat.
00:59:04.799 --> 00:59:06.710
Not that eating meat necessarily
00:59:06.720 --> 00:59:09.910
stabilizes society, but I mean it's meat
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:11.910
is nutritious.
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.349
Our ancestors evolved in part to eat
00:59:15.359 --> 00:59:18.630
meat. We are not designed to be
00:59:18.640 --> 00:59:20.870
vegetarians just based on like the way
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.230
our teeth are constructed and
00:59:22.240 --> 00:59:24.789
everything.
00:59:24.799 --> 00:59:28.950
Our digestive tract is not designed
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:30.789
through evolution for us to be strict
00:59:30.799 --> 00:59:35.430
vegetarians.
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.710
So yeah, I think he never spoke out
00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:40.230
against owning slaves and never
00:59:40.240 --> 00:59:42.789
condemned slavery. I mean, presumably
00:59:42.799 --> 00:59:44.150
when he was young, he owned slaves
00:59:44.160 --> 00:59:47.750
himself, mainly just because
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.789
it was like that's worldly issues, like
00:59:50.799 --> 00:59:55.270
political stuff. And he was all for just
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.069
opting out of society, going alone like
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.589
the horn of a rhinoceros in a
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.069
wilderness.
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.150
So he didn't condemn slavery any more
01:00:06.160 --> 01:00:11.349
than he condemned capital punishment or
01:00:11.359 --> 01:00:13.109
killing animals for meat. I mean he
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.030
sometimes he would say stuff you know
01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:17.510
especially cows. There are a few sutas
01:00:17.520 --> 01:00:19.430
where the Buddha is you know asserting
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.430
that the cow is man's best friend. you
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:23.430
know, he provides us with all these milk
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.109
and butter and and this kind of stuff
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.829
and pulls our plows and all that that
01:00:27.839 --> 01:00:30.069
it's just ingratitude
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:35.910
that that we also sacrifice them.
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.069
But it was just the way it was the cast
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.470
system. He didn't really condemn the
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:42.630
cast system either. Although he did sort
01:00:42.640 --> 01:00:46.549
of make fun of Brahmans who were had
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.870
like a superiority complex just because
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:54.150
of you know their parents really.
01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:56.230
So he did sort of redefine the Brahman
01:00:56.240 --> 01:00:59.270
as a genuine holy man regardless of who
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.910
his parents were. But I mean he didn't
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.870
he wasn't an activist with regard to any
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:06.870
of this really. the closest he came to
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.710
activism was just with regard to animal
01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:10.710
sacrifice within the within the sphere
01:01:10.720 --> 01:01:15.190
of religion.
01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:16.950
So I think I'm just going to move on to
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.910
the next question. This is from Fred and
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.990
Fred says nibbana vibrate and I would
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.230
say no. Nibbana does not vibrate unless
01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:27.510
you want to go with the Mahayana
01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:30.470
Buddhists to say who who say that
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.069
samsara and nirvana are the same. So
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.349
that the samsaric
01:01:37.359 --> 01:01:39.910
like perspective of nirvana has some
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:43.510
vibrations going on here and there
01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:45.829
but clearly from a terraoden point of
01:01:45.839 --> 01:01:48.630
view that nibana there's no motion or
01:01:48.640 --> 01:01:52.549
change in nibbana
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.589
there's no distinction of this from that
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.230
including vibration from nonvibration
01:01:58.240 --> 01:02:00.390
there's no duality
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.549
in in nibar so no vibration
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.910
No movement.
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:09.670
Okay. So, I'm just going to move on to
01:02:09.680 --> 01:02:11.829
Fred's second question. That was kind of
01:02:11.839 --> 01:02:14.150
a refreshing question, though. It was I
01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:16.150
could answer it relatively quickly. You
01:02:16.160 --> 01:02:21.030
know, it was like a yes or no question.
01:02:21.040 --> 01:02:23.510
Anyways, Fred's second question. Did
01:02:23.520 --> 01:02:26.870
Buddha use mundane speech or can speech
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.549
be super mundane? Um, it depends on who
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:33.430
you talk to. Like in the abidama
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:35.910
scholars of Burma, they think that
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.349
abidama is super mundane. It's paramata
01:02:39.359 --> 01:02:42.549
sacha. It's ultimate truth. But I don't
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.270
think so. I mean words are mundane.
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.589
Words are worldly.
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:49.670
And so any speech is going to be
01:02:49.680 --> 01:02:51.190
mundane.
01:02:51.200 --> 01:02:53.750
Anything that you can put into concepts,
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:56.470
anything that can be perceived is going
01:02:56.480 --> 01:03:00.789
to be mundane in my opinion.
01:03:00.799 --> 01:03:05.109
So you can't explain nirvana in words
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.549
that that really just nails down what
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:12.309
nibana is.
01:03:12.319 --> 01:03:14.630
An unenlightened mind cannot really
01:03:14.640 --> 01:03:18.630
comprehend nirvana or enlightenment.
01:03:18.640 --> 01:03:20.390
Even though they might have the
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.789
definition from from some text memorized
01:03:24.799 --> 01:03:27.349
still they don't know.
01:03:27.359 --> 01:03:32.230
So in my opinion, I mean I think
01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:35.430
in Mahayana Buddhism they do make kind
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.069
of a distinction. I mean you've got
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.549
ultimate truth which for them is beyond
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:42.710
words and I agree with that. But then
01:03:42.720 --> 01:03:45.349
within the realm of
01:03:45.359 --> 01:03:48.470
simacha or the the Mahayana Buddhists
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.589
have have translated it or mistransated
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:55.190
simuri satcha as like samvertisa
01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:57.910
like concealing truth instead of
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.309
conventional truth samuri. They have
01:04:00.319 --> 01:04:02.230
somehow translated into the Sanskrit
01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:04.710
word samverti
01:04:04.720 --> 01:04:07.349
which means like concealing.
01:04:07.359 --> 01:04:10.870
So instead of the the duality
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.589
philosophical duality of ultimate truth
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.150
and conventional truth, truth is just
01:04:16.160 --> 01:04:17.750
true because you know it's just like a
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:19.349
human convention and people just agree
01:04:19.359 --> 01:04:21.430
that it's true. In Mahayana Buddhism,
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.750
you got ultimate truth and concealing
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.029
truth and they've got like two levels of
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:28.630
concealing truth. At least some schools
01:04:28.640 --> 01:04:31.029
of Mahayana Buddhism have sort of like
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:32.230
you know it's it's sort of like the
01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:34.710
philosophy of Kant where I mean you've
01:04:34.720 --> 01:04:36.870
just got like delusional stuff and then
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.670
you've got sort of a more advanced like
01:04:39.680 --> 01:04:42.549
philosophical eternal truths that aren't
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:44.230
still they're not ultimate truths. They
01:04:44.240 --> 01:04:47.990
apply only to samsara but still it's
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.270
more true than
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:52.710
just the stuff that most people are
01:04:52.720 --> 01:04:54.470
wallowing in. And it it's like the
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.390
philosophy of Kant like I said where
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.549
according to Kant the thing in itself
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.470
you can't touch it you can't know it you
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.710
can't say anything valid about it but
01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:04.950
still you can at least know the
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:08.069
structure of the thing as it seems or
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:10.549
just your own thought processes like his
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:13.510
his categories and all that was sort of
01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:15.430
like what the Mahayana Buddhists some of
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:17.109
the Mahayana Buddhist philosophers were
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.270
trying to do and at least getting some
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.430
kind of um valid truths within within in
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:30.069
the the context of delusion itself.
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.270
So the Buddha could be said to use that
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:38.150
kind of like higher mundane speech,
01:05:38.160 --> 01:05:40.470
but I mean an enlightened person who's
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:43.270
talking and they're it's like their
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:44.950
speech is enlightened even though the
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.069
words they're using are still mundane.
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.789
So, I mean, you could argue that the
01:05:50.799 --> 01:05:53.190
Buddha because he was enlightened, that
01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:57.029
he was speaking in an enlightened way,
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.109
but I mean, once it goes into the ears
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.950
of an unenlightened person, it gets gets
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.349
turned into crap. You know, it's an
01:06:03.359 --> 01:06:04.870
unenlightened person, no matter what
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:06.390
they see or hear, it's going through an
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.829
unenlightenment colored filter. And so,
01:06:09.839 --> 01:06:10.789
they're just going to turn into
01:06:10.799 --> 01:06:11.990
something unenlightened as soon as they
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:13.910
hear it. It's like taking pure water,
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.230
pouring it into a dirty container. It
01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:21.589
just immediately becomes dirty.
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:23.750
Man, I I think I had two cups of coffee
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.950
today, but I I seem fairly animated,
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.589
more animated than usual. I'm not
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:34.069
exactly sure why that is.
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.190
Let's see. So, Nibbana doesn't vibrate.
01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:39.829
The Buddha used mundane speech, although
01:06:39.839 --> 01:06:43.750
arguably in an enlightened way.
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.069
But yeah, speech itself is just a
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.390
worldly phenomenon and it is therefore
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:52.069
mundane regardless of the words that are
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.630
strung together into sentences. It's
01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:57.430
still mundane.
01:06:57.440 --> 01:06:58.870
I mean it's like a finger pointing at
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.349
the moon. The moon might not be mundane
01:07:01.359 --> 01:07:02.870
but the finger pointing at it is
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:06.150
mundane.
01:07:06.160 --> 01:07:09.750
Or it's like also reminds me of the Zen
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:13.829
Kan which is describing how Mahakasapa
01:07:13.839 --> 01:07:17.750
or Kasyappa became the first patriarch
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.870
of Zen when the Buddha instead of giving
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:23.349
his usual dharma talk his usual sermon
01:07:23.359 --> 01:07:24.950
instead he sits in front of all the
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:26.950
monks picks up a little flower and he's
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.109
like twirling it between his fingers by
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:30.549
the stem you know he's holding it by the
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:32.950
stem and just twirling the flower and
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.990
he's not saying a word and most of The
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:39.670
monks didn't get it. But Mahakasapa or
01:07:39.680 --> 01:07:43.109
Kasyappa, he smiled because he got it.
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:44.710
You know, that was like the Buddha
01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:46.950
trying to
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.910
give like a a super mundane message or
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:52.549
transmission and only Mahakasapa had the
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:56.710
wisdom to get it.
01:07:56.720 --> 01:07:58.789
But still the flower was mundane. The
01:07:58.799 --> 01:08:01.270
twirling was mundane.
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.910
There was just like an enlightened idea
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.150
if you can I mean an enlightened being
01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:09.270
was doing it and therefore you could say
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.990
that it was super mundane at least you
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.589
know if you limit it to that enlightened
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:18.149
being and his actions
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:19.510
but I think I'm just going to move on
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:21.590
next question. This is from the protose
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.789
pseudom monk and he says according to
01:08:24.799 --> 01:08:28.149
this guy link below and I did click on
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:31.749
the link but I I'll back up. According
01:08:31.759 --> 01:08:34.229
to this guy Pauly isn't the word of the
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.229
Buddha and attempting to find the word
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.709
of the Buddha is a lost cause because
01:08:38.719 --> 01:08:42.390
that's what modern scholarship says.
01:08:42.400 --> 01:08:43.990
What would be your response to this
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.669
claim? And I actually did watch the
01:08:45.679 --> 01:08:48.309
video and I left a few comments under
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.630
the video and it turns out that he and I
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:52.470
really are not in that much of agree of
01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:54.709
disagreement that you know he was kind
01:08:54.719 --> 01:08:56.789
of agreeing with me. You know I'm kind
01:08:56.799 --> 01:08:59.990
of clarifying my position with regard to
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.910
the poly text and what the Buddha really
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.390
taught. And you know at first he kind of
01:09:04.400 --> 01:09:05.990
misinterpreted what I said maybe a
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.470
little bit but then by the end of it we
01:09:08.480 --> 01:09:09.910
were pretty much in agreement. You know
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.669
he was kind of pretty much agreeing with
01:09:11.679 --> 01:09:15.829
me. So, I mean, I can't remember exactly
01:09:15.839 --> 01:09:17.110
what he was saying in the video now.
01:09:17.120 --> 01:09:19.269
It's just a short video. I mean, those
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.430
of you who want to see the video for
01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:23.269
yourself and see the back and forth
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.149
between the creator of the video and me,
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:28.070
uh, just go back to the previous Q&A and
01:09:28.080 --> 01:09:30.309
in the comments, you'll see Protose
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.309
Monk's comment with the link and just
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:35.110
hit the link and then you can see.
01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:37.269
But I mean, he's saying that, you know,
01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:40.709
the poly texts really are not 100% the
01:09:40.719 --> 01:09:43.990
word of the Buddha. And just because
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:45.669
something is in a poly text doesn't mean
01:09:45.679 --> 01:09:47.910
the Buddha said it. And I mean, I'm
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.709
completely in agreement with that. Um, I
01:09:50.719 --> 01:09:52.709
did point out that it's the closest
01:09:52.719 --> 01:09:56.470
thing we've got just chronologically and
01:09:56.480 --> 01:09:59.430
just with regard to like evolutionarily
01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:01.510
that, you know, it's it's comes closer
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:03.669
to what the Buddha taught like
01:10:03.679 --> 01:10:06.630
statistically overall and he agreed with
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.189
that. So, I don't think we're really in
01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:11.910
that much of disagreement. U I did point
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:14.550
out that most of the differences between
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.110
the different schools postd date you
01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:18.790
know the great schism you know which
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.510
came after the second council and then
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:23.110
he kind of niggled on that a little bit
01:10:23.120 --> 01:10:24.790
but then we came out to agree on that
01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:26.470
also
01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:29.030
so yeah I don't think he's really saying
01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:31.350
all that anything all that different
01:10:31.360 --> 01:10:33.750
from what I say although he might be
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:37.110
saying it in kind of a provocative way
01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:39.430
you know he's just deliberately trying
01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:40.870
to provoke
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.590
reactions or something.
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.189
But yeah, I don't think that the
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.310
polytopica is is 100% the teaching of
01:10:48.320 --> 01:10:49.430
Buddha. I don't even think it's
01:10:49.440 --> 01:10:52.390
necessarily 50% the teaching of Buddha.
01:10:52.400 --> 01:10:53.830
And I did point out in one of the
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:57.350
comments I left that I mean you can even
01:10:57.360 --> 01:10:59.990
de you can decrease I mean you just go
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.110
with the core texts and that's you know
01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:05.750
you're getting into fairly
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.149
at least semi-olid territory with regard
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:09.830
to what the Buddha taught. get into the
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:12.470
core texts and then even then you can
01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:14.149
still there's still talking animal
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:17.030
stories and just grandiose boasting and
01:11:17.040 --> 01:11:19.030
the miracles and all that. If you just
01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:21.110
sort of, you know, weed that out, you
01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:24.390
can get down to a nucleus of like
01:11:24.400 --> 01:11:26.630
enriched ore, so to speak. It's still
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:27.990
not going to be 100% the teaching of
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.830
Buddha, but still at least you can get
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:34.229
rid of a lot of obvious deadwood and
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.070
just kind of compact the teachings of
01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:38.470
Buddha as found in the texts until you
01:11:38.480 --> 01:11:40.870
got something that has a higher
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:44.229
authenticity content than just the
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.430
polytopica as a whole. Because there
01:11:47.440 --> 01:11:49.750
probably aren't very many Westerners
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.910
that can believe everything they read in
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:53.110
the poly text, even if they're
01:11:53.120 --> 01:11:54.630
Buddhists, because there's some of it's
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.470
just talking animals, fire breathing
01:11:56.480 --> 01:11:59.910
dragons, flat earth floating on water,
01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:02.149
like solar and lunar eclipses being
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:05.830
caused by some some titan, a sura
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.070
swallowing them into his mouth. This
01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:10.630
kind of thing. I mean, you could adopt a
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:12.149
more or less Christian point of view and
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.430
say, well, it's all metaphor, but I
01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:16.709
don't think so. It wasn't considered to
01:12:16.719 --> 01:12:19.590
be a metaphor up until modern westerners
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:24.310
came along.
01:12:24.320 --> 01:12:25.830
So let's see what's the actual question
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.149
here. What would be your response to
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.470
this claim? And the claim is that poly
01:12:30.480 --> 01:12:32.390
isn't the word of the Buddha and
01:12:32.400 --> 01:12:35.830
attempting to find Well, I mean
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:38.950
I think there's another question here.
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:40.470
Okay.
01:12:40.480 --> 01:12:42.550
Yeah. Well, I mean, with regard to Poly,
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.270
the Poly language, and somebody's
01:12:45.280 --> 01:12:46.870
somebody asked a question about Poly.
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:50.470
Let's see if I can find it.
01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:52.630
Huh.
01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:54.149
Yeah, I don't I don't I don't see it
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.470
yet. I think my memory might be playing
01:12:56.480 --> 01:12:58.790
tricks on me. But someone was asking me
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:00.709
about Pi.
01:13:00.719 --> 01:13:03.750
And I mean, Pi is not what the the
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.110
original language of the Buddha was
01:13:05.120 --> 01:13:06.630
called. I mean, I might be answering
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:08.950
somebody else's question by by talking
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.229
about poly. Poly isn't the word of the
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.510
Buddha. Um, but I mean, poly just
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.550
literally means line of text. So, it's
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:20.550
like, you know, like in commentarial
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:21.990
literature where they're saying, you
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.149
know, it's it's in the text, you know,
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.630
it's in the poly, but you know, they
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:28.470
weren't really naming the language at
01:13:28.480 --> 01:13:32.149
first. It just means like a line of text
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.550
and then it just the poly language came
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.189
to be known as you know the text the
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:40.070
textual language and it really was
01:13:40.080 --> 01:13:41.990
probably wasn't called poly by the
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.510
original speakers of poly or a protoy
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.630
and the Buddha probably didn't speak pi
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.270
it may be I think it's fairly likely
01:13:51.280 --> 01:13:53.669
that the language the Buddha originally
01:13:53.679 --> 01:13:56.630
spoke in mugadi you know the language of
01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.390
mugada
01:13:58.400 --> 01:13:59.910
I think I think that's the language he
01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:01.590
spoke.
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.590
Um, you know, it would be mutually
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.149
intelligible with Paulie, you know, sort
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:08.790
of like Swedish and Norwegian or maybe
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.189
like even like Portuguese and Spanish,
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:13.030
you know, where there's mutually
01:14:13.040 --> 01:14:14.950
intelligible even though it's not
01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:18.390
exactly the same language.
01:14:18.400 --> 01:14:21.030
But then as terraata Buddhism or
01:14:21.040 --> 01:14:22.709
protoerter
01:14:22.719 --> 01:14:25.669
started migrating westwards across India
01:14:25.679 --> 01:14:28.709
and then southwards it started like
01:14:28.719 --> 01:14:31.830
streamlining and acquiring. I mean it
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:33.830
became a simplified language just to
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.550
make it easier to learn and master by
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:38.229
monks from in different parts of India.
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:41.270
It became like a lingua franca.
01:14:41.280 --> 01:14:43.189
So it isn't exactly the same as the
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.830
language the Buddha taught or so they
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.350
say.
01:14:49.360 --> 01:14:51.910
Okay. So, poly isn't the word of the
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:53.270
Buddha. Attempting to find the word of
01:14:53.280 --> 01:14:55.430
the Buddha is a lost cause because
01:14:55.440 --> 01:14:57.270
that's what modern scholarship says.
01:14:57.280 --> 01:14:59.750
Well, I mean, you can't know with 100%
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.070
certainty what exactly the Buddha
01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:04.470
taught. I mean, I've been saying that
01:15:04.480 --> 01:15:06.310
too.
01:15:06.320 --> 01:15:08.149
You can, like I was saying in the
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.470
comments under his video, you can at
01:15:10.480 --> 01:15:15.030
least like increase the odds by using a
01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:17.830
little bit of like intelligence,
01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:19.910
critical thought. Some of these
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:21.430
techniques were actually invented by
01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:24.870
biblical scholars for like, you know,
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.510
like dating poetic forms. You know, this
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.310
meter of poetry really didn't come into
01:15:30.320 --> 01:15:32.790
vogue until, you know, this century. And
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.350
so it's probably dated datable to this
01:15:35.360 --> 01:15:37.590
century, you know, that kind of thing.
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:39.430
They use that on a lot of verses like
01:15:39.440 --> 01:15:41.669
the terraagata, the dharmapata, that
01:15:41.679 --> 01:15:44.229
kind of thing. And I mean, it's
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:45.830
something to to pay some attention to.
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.390
It's something to consider.
01:15:48.400 --> 01:15:50.390
But yeah, I mean I I wrote an essay what
01:15:50.400 --> 01:15:51.830
the Buddha really or what did the Buddha
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.750
really teach? And I mean
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:57.750
there's a spectrum, you know, at one end
01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.590
you've got just verbatim quotes of
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:01.350
exactly what the Buddha said. At the
01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:03.910
other end, you just got complete BS that
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:05.590
the Buddha never would have said. He
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:07.910
never would have endorsed it. And then
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.709
you've got, but let's let's start with
01:16:10.719 --> 01:16:13.750
like verbatim quotes. Okay, there's
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.870
probably a few fragments of verbatim
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:20.310
quotes in the texts.
01:16:20.320 --> 01:16:22.310
Maybe lots of fragments, but it's it's
01:16:22.320 --> 01:16:24.709
probably going to be mainly fragments of
01:16:24.719 --> 01:16:26.950
exact quotes
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.510
of the Buddha in the texts. Then you're
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.590
going to have like close paraphrase.
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:33.110
There's going to be a lot more of that.
01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:34.390
You know, it's it's essentially what the
01:16:34.400 --> 01:16:37.830
Buddha taught, but not exactly verbatim.
01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:39.910
You know, it wasn't transcribed. It was
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:42.950
memored. It was remembered by monks who
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:45.110
then, you know, especially according to
01:16:45.120 --> 01:16:47.910
tradition, venerable Ananda is the one
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.910
who like recited the sutas at the first
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.510
council.
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:55.510
That's kind of questionable, but still.
01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:58.149
I mean, it's he supposedly had like a
01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:00.550
photographic memory and all, but you can
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.189
see from the texts that the way it's
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.990
composed is it's composed to make it
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:09.350
easier to memorize. Very repetitive.
01:17:09.360 --> 01:17:11.350
Very repetitive. Nobody really talks
01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:13.189
that way.
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:14.630
So, first you've got the verbatim
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.510
quotes, tiny percentage, then you've got
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:21.110
sort of the the close paraphrase. Then
01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:24.950
you've got sort of the general like
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.910
teachings that are not really
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:29.590
contradictory to Buddhism. The Buddha
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:31.669
may have not have said anything quite in
01:17:31.679 --> 01:17:34.070
that way or he may not have even really
01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:36.470
touched upon certain things, but still
01:17:36.480 --> 01:17:38.950
he would he would like approve of this
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:40.470
message.
01:17:40.480 --> 01:17:43.030
Then you start getting into like the
01:17:43.040 --> 01:17:45.430
weirder stuff that the Buddha would be
01:17:45.440 --> 01:17:50.630
less and less likely even to approve of.
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:53.990
And so I mean how much of the poly texts
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:55.830
really are the the teaching of the
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:57.270
Buddha? I mean how are you going to
01:17:57.280 --> 01:17:59.110
define that? If it's verbatim quotes
01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:01.910
it'd be a very tiny amount. If it's at
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:05.830
least paraphrase that is stating in
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:08.229
other words what he was teaching. It'd
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:10.149
be a lot more but still in my opinion it
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.550
wouldn't be much more than about 10%.
01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:15.910
Then you got like the more didactic
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:17.510
stuff,
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.669
you know, philosophical stuff that maybe
01:18:19.679 --> 01:18:21.430
the Buddha didn't really teach. Maybe he
01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:23.669
didn't see any reason to go there, but
01:18:23.679 --> 01:18:26.790
he wouldn't condemn it. You know, he
01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:28.390
would say, you know, you can get benefit
01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:30.229
from from studying this and, you know,
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.550
I'll condone this. You know, there it
01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:37.669
might be, you know, 30%.
01:18:37.679 --> 01:18:39.350
But the stuff that he would just
01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:41.350
consider to be nonsense that he would
01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:43.350
openly condemn, I mean that would
01:18:43.360 --> 01:18:45.750
probably be at least 30% also. And you
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:47.590
get into Mahayana, it might be more than
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:52.470
30%.
01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:55.910
So the best you can do with regard to
01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:57.590
knowing what the Buddha really taught,
01:18:57.600 --> 01:18:59.510
unless you're just completely faith
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:01.910
oriented and just want to believe all of
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.709
it as just gospel truth and there aren't
01:19:04.719 --> 01:19:06.390
there are some people like that, mostly
01:19:06.400 --> 01:19:07.990
Asians
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:09.750
still there are people like that
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:14.070
especially in Burma.
01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:15.669
But I mean, if you don't adopt that
01:19:15.679 --> 01:19:19.030
point of view, then you've got to like
01:19:19.040 --> 01:19:23.750
have some way of like weeding out the
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.910
extraneous stuff that the Buddha didn't
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.709
really teach. And it's it it seems
01:19:28.719 --> 01:19:31.510
pretty obvious that it's in there. So
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:33.669
like for starters, you can just resort
01:19:33.679 --> 01:19:36.229
to the core texts, you know, the first
01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:39.110
four Nikkias, the first several books of
01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:41.510
the fifth Nikkia, the first four books
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:44.950
of Vineia, you know, just Consider those
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.910
the the the core texts that were common
01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.790
to all the schools of Buddhism.
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:53.830
Sutanata, no not Dhamapatas, but some of
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:58.870
the texts in the um the fifth Nikaya,
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:00.790
the Kudaka Nikaya, you know, there's
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.669
some texts in there that are fairly old,
01:20:03.679 --> 01:20:05.990
very old, like the Sutin Pa, even though
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.270
the Sutin Pa itself was not common to
01:20:09.280 --> 01:20:10.870
other schools of Buddhism, there are
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.830
texts within the Sutin Pa that are
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.070
archaic,
01:20:16.080 --> 01:20:19.590
common to all the schools probably.
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:21.669
including
01:20:21.679 --> 01:20:26.310
Mahayana.
01:20:26.320 --> 01:20:29.110
So I mean and then once you get down to
01:20:29.120 --> 01:20:31.910
the core texts I mean it seems to me
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:33.510
that some things I just can't believe
01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:35.350
you know talking animal stories fire
01:20:35.360 --> 01:20:37.350
breathing dragons
01:20:37.360 --> 01:20:39.910
flat earth floating on water eclipses
01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:41.910
caused by the sun or moon being
01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:43.750
swallowed by an assura that kind of
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.510
stuff. or even the Buddha just grandiose
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:49.750
just bragging about how great he is and
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.070
how people should worship him or just
01:20:52.080 --> 01:20:55.430
all these gratuitous miracles.
01:20:55.440 --> 01:20:58.070
I mean some of them maybe but most of
01:20:58.080 --> 01:21:02.070
them probably not it seems to me.
01:21:02.080 --> 01:21:03.910
And then I mean some of the texts aren't
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.070
even attributed to the Buddha himself.
01:21:06.080 --> 01:21:08.550
The Widala Sutas of the Majimeaya for
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:10.149
example.
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.110
So you can use a little detective work
01:21:13.120 --> 01:21:16.630
and increase the odds of what remains
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.790
after you've weeded out, you know,
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.590
deadwood. You can increase the odds of
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.390
that what remains at least has a
01:21:24.400 --> 01:21:27.270
significant percentage of genuine
01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:30.229
teachings of the Buddha. At least
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:34.149
paraphrase
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.310
and the poly texts are really the the
01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:38.950
best source we have at present. And I
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:40.950
don't think that even the the guy who
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.630
did the video would deny that.
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:46.470
So
01:21:46.480 --> 01:21:47.990
I think I'll just move on to the next
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:51.750
question. But I think I I I made a
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:53.430
mistake in separating this because I
01:21:53.440 --> 01:21:54.709
don't think that this is really another
01:21:54.719 --> 01:21:57.189
question. He says, "Is the polycanon not
01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.350
the word of the Buddha?" Well, not all
01:21:59.360 --> 01:22:02.070
of it. I don't even think half of it is.
01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:03.750
And I've been saying this since I was a
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:05.350
monk.
01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:06.950
I mean, some of it I mean, westerners
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:08.310
just can't believe some of this stuff,
01:22:08.320 --> 01:22:12.229
the talking animal stories, for example.
01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:14.550
But once you admit that at least some of
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:18.629
it is fake or just later additions, then
01:22:18.639 --> 01:22:20.550
I mean that kind of flings the door open
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.950
to, you know, any of it is at least, you
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:28.629
know, you should at least scrutinize it.
01:22:28.639 --> 01:22:30.870
You know, don't just take it on faith
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:34.229
that it's true. You know, don't just say
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.470
that it's a venerable tradition or just
01:22:36.480 --> 01:22:39.350
it makes good sense or out of respect
01:22:39.360 --> 01:22:41.590
for your teachers or anything like that.
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:47.430
That's kalamasuta.
01:22:47.440 --> 01:22:49.350
So some of the polycanon is the word of
01:22:49.360 --> 01:22:52.870
the Buddha. And percentage wise, I think
01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.830
the polycanon has a higher percentage of
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.590
word of the Buddha than any other corpus
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:01.830
of Buddhist texts.
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.470
But still, I mean, it's not even 50%.
01:23:04.480 --> 01:23:08.390
So, you got to do detective work.
01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:10.229
And at the at the end here, he says, "I
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:11.510
think it would be very interesting if
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:13.669
you could debate him. His mission seems
01:23:13.679 --> 01:23:16.229
to be to destroy the view that terraat
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:18.149
is the most authentic form of Buddhism."
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:21.270
Um, well, like like I said, we were
01:23:21.280 --> 01:23:23.669
pretty much in agreement.
01:23:23.679 --> 01:23:27.910
So I got him to agree that terra really
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.390
is the most authentic form or at least
01:23:30.400 --> 01:23:32.950
it has the highest percentage of genuine
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.430
Buddhavaja in it. Yeah, I think I think
01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:38.149
he agreed with me on that. So I don't
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:39.750
think he's
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:41.750
destroying the view that terra is the
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:43.350
most authentic form of Buddhism. I think
01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:46.070
he's trying to destroy the view that
01:23:46.080 --> 01:23:50.070
terra is the only authentic
01:23:50.080 --> 01:23:52.950
form of Buddhism.
01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:54.870
You know, I think he's I think he's kind
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:58.470
of agreeing with me that, you know, it's
01:23:58.480 --> 01:24:00.950
not 100% authentic even though it
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.229
contains more authenticity than say
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.790
Mahayana does with regard to what the
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:08.550
historical Buddha actually taught. A lot
01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.550
of Mahayana Buddhists will even go to
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:13.030
the to the extreme saying there was no
01:24:13.040 --> 01:24:14.790
historical Buddha. The Buddha was just a
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:20.629
kind of cosmic projection.
01:24:20.639 --> 01:24:23.030
So yeah, I mean we could debate
01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:25.750
something but I don't know if this
01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:27.669
suggestion would work because I think we
01:24:27.679 --> 01:24:29.270
might be more in agreement than
01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:32.229
disagreement on like the authenticity of
01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:34.550
the poly texts or you know what
01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:37.030
percentage of genuine Buddhavina at
01:24:37.040 --> 01:24:40.229
least at the level of close paraphrase
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:46.629
can be found in the in the polytopic
01:24:46.639 --> 01:24:49.430
and I mean we both agree that I mean a
01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:51.910
lot I mean the so-called core texts were
01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:53.510
common to the other schools of Buddhism
01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.270
too.
01:24:55.280 --> 01:24:56.390
It's just that the other schools of
01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:58.709
Buddhism are pretty much extinct now and
01:24:58.719 --> 01:25:01.590
their their texts are found in fragments
01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:03.750
that are dug up by archaeologists or
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:05.990
else they're found in Tibetan or Chinese
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:08.470
translation
01:25:08.480 --> 01:25:09.990
and some of those translations are not
01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:11.910
very good translations. They were like
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:16.709
pioneering works in translation.
01:25:16.719 --> 01:25:18.310
So,
01:25:18.320 --> 01:25:19.510
I think I was just going to move on to
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.270
the next question. And this is from
01:25:21.280 --> 01:25:24.229
Ethiopian fake TIG.
01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:26.709
So, Ethiopian fake Tig says, "As your
01:25:26.719 --> 01:25:29.030
number one fan," well, that's that's
01:25:29.040 --> 01:25:31.510
debatable. There's some people that
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:35.030
might take umbrage at this claim, but
01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:37.430
Ethiopian fake Tig says, "As your number
01:25:37.440 --> 01:25:39.110
one fan, I have been listening to your
01:25:39.120 --> 01:25:41.590
Q&As's for almost three years now. And
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:43.750
the most interesting and wisest thing
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.070
you have said so far that I have been
01:25:46.080 --> 01:25:48.310
using only recently that is making
01:25:48.320 --> 01:25:51.030
significant impact on my life is when
01:25:51.040 --> 01:25:53.830
you said, quote, "If you are suffering,
01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.390
that is cause you're wishing for things
01:25:56.400 --> 01:25:58.870
to be different than they are now."
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:03.590
unquote. Yeah. First noble truth.
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.830
Anyways, Ethiopian fake Tig continues,
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.149
"This has me thinking if someone is in
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.669
Avija hell or I think he means aichi
01:26:11.679 --> 01:26:14.550
Avichi hell, which is the lowest hell.
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:17.030
If someone is in Avichi hell and they
01:26:17.040 --> 01:26:19.990
used to meditate in a past life and
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.830
manage to remember this particular
01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:24.550
wisdom, would all the pain cease on a
01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:27.270
mental level the moment they realize
01:26:27.280 --> 01:26:30.070
this truth? Well, I think hell is
01:26:30.080 --> 01:26:32.390
designed in such a way that even people
01:26:32.400 --> 01:26:34.950
who were meditators in a previous life,
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.350
I mean, they're being tortured and
01:26:37.360 --> 01:26:39.990
things are so horrible that they're just
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.950
so distracted by their own agony and
01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:45.270
misery and so forth and the the the
01:26:45.280 --> 01:26:47.270
demons jabbing them with pitchforks and
01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:49.350
all that, you know, the boiling pitch
01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:52.310
and blood and all that that I mean, in a
01:26:52.320 --> 01:26:55.510
way, I mean, if you can't meditate in
01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:57.669
this life when someone's jabbing you
01:26:57.679 --> 01:26:59.990
with a pitchfor fork, then it's unlikely
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:01.669
you're going to be able to meditate in a
01:27:01.679 --> 01:27:04.629
a vichy hell if a demon is jabbing you
01:27:04.639 --> 01:27:06.629
with a pitchfork as you're sitting on
01:27:06.639 --> 01:27:09.669
glowing hot iron
01:27:09.679 --> 01:27:11.669
floors.
01:27:11.679 --> 01:27:13.590
But it is theoretically possible. Let's
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:17.030
say you had someone like
01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:20.950
David. Davidata mastered Janna. He was
01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:23.750
the cousin of the Buddha. And he he was
01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:25.910
such a master of Janna that he he
01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:28.470
acquired psychic powers. he was able to,
01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:31.830
you know, just essentially shapeshift. I
01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:33.270
mean, it may just be he was pres
01:27:33.280 --> 01:27:36.310
presenting a kind of psychic image of
01:27:36.320 --> 01:27:38.149
himself in a different form without
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.790
actually physically shifting shape. I
01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:42.709
don't know. But he had psychic powers.
01:27:42.719 --> 01:27:45.510
He mastered Janna had psychic powers.
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:48.390
Still, Janna is not the same as wisdom.
01:27:48.400 --> 01:27:51.030
And so, according to tradition, he
01:27:51.040 --> 01:27:53.510
attempted to murder the Buddha so that
01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:55.430
he could take over the SA. you know,
01:27:55.440 --> 01:27:59.270
kind of a trying to do a purge or a coup
01:27:59.280 --> 01:28:01.830
to take over the Sao. And he went he
01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:04.790
wound up going to Avichi hell.
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:08.709
So would David, who's presumably down
01:28:08.719 --> 01:28:11.910
there roasting in Avichi hell right now,
01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:13.990
is he able to meditate and kind of
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:17.270
escape from from the torture to some
01:28:17.280 --> 01:28:20.070
degree? Yeah, I think that there's a
01:28:20.080 --> 01:28:22.870
good chance that I mean just having a
01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:25.750
grounding in Buddhist philosophy and
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:30.550
dharma just just being mindful and not
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:33.189
struggling against the way things are.
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.910
At the very least, it would much reduce
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:38.149
the amount of misery.
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:39.590
Plus, you just get used to anything.
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:41.110
People just get used to anything. After
01:28:41.120 --> 01:28:43.910
the first couple hundred thousand years
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.310
of Avichi hell, they're probably running
01:28:46.320 --> 01:28:48.950
out of ideas to like keep it fresh for
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:50.390
you. And so you just start getting used
01:28:50.400 --> 01:28:52.870
to it and it stops seeming so horrible.
01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:58.950
It just becomes everyday life.
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:01.669
So I mean theoretically
01:29:01.679 --> 01:29:04.550
that if someone is in Avichi hell or
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:09.189
some hell realm and they start to
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.030
meditate on just being in the present
01:29:11.040 --> 01:29:13.350
moment and not desiring things to be
01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:15.990
different then yeah they'd still be
01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:19.830
experiencing physical hell but not not
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:23.510
like desire not like dooka in the sense
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:26.229
of you know wanting things to be
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:29.110
different than they are. And another
01:29:29.120 --> 01:29:31.510
saying that I' I've said many times
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.629
since I was a relatively junior monk is
01:29:34.639 --> 01:29:36.870
it doesn't matter what it is. If you
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.510
accept it, it's not a problem. And it
01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:41.990
doesn't matter what it is. If you won't
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.430
accept it, it's a problem.
01:29:45.440 --> 01:29:48.390
Also, there's another kind of slogan
01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:51.189
wisdom nugget that I used to say. It's
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:54.470
like um let's see how does how does it
01:29:54.480 --> 01:29:56.550
go? I haven't said it in a while. If you
01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:58.390
have a
01:29:58.400 --> 01:30:01.110
let's see if you have a bad mind, you
01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:02.950
have a bad life and you live in a bad
01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:04.950
world. If you have a good mind, you have
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:06.390
a good life and you live in a good
01:30:06.400 --> 01:30:08.310
world. And if you have a perfect mind,
01:30:08.320 --> 01:30:09.830
you have a perfect life and you live in
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:13.830
a perfect world.
01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:15.669
So yeah, I mean they all pretty much
01:30:15.679 --> 01:30:17.030
teaching the same thing. You know, we
01:30:17.040 --> 01:30:19.189
are in a way we are creating our own
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:21.270
reality. We are determining whether we
01:30:21.280 --> 01:30:24.310
are happy or miserable.
01:30:24.320 --> 01:30:26.310
You know, it's it's all volitional
01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:28.709
ultimately even though people don't
01:30:28.719 --> 01:30:30.629
realize it. You know, people want to
01:30:30.639 --> 01:30:34.709
blame Hawaii or blame the patriarchy or
01:30:34.719 --> 01:30:38.470
blame the bgeoisi or blame anybody but
01:30:38.480 --> 01:30:40.950
themselves for the fact that they are
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:43.030
unhappy.
01:30:43.040 --> 01:30:45.189
All we got to do is establish this
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.470
utopia and everyone will be happy. It's
01:30:48.480 --> 01:30:49.669
not going to happen. It doesn't work
01:30:49.679 --> 01:30:51.990
that way.
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:57.030
people insist upon being miserable.
01:30:57.040 --> 01:30:59.830
So
01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:02.550
yeah, I think that it is theoretically
01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.390
possible. Although if you're being
01:31:04.400 --> 01:31:06.709
tortured in hell, the odds that your
01:31:06.719 --> 01:31:08.950
meditation is going to be very deep. I
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:10.629
mean, you might just be driven to that
01:31:10.639 --> 01:31:14.070
ex extremity through desperation, in
01:31:14.080 --> 01:31:17.350
which case, you know, it can happen. And
01:31:17.360 --> 01:31:19.270
and and in that case, if you just become
01:31:19.280 --> 01:31:22.550
kind of immune to hell just through, you
01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:25.910
know, desperation induced equinimity,
01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:28.149
then it may be that I mean your karma
01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:29.669
there is pretty much expended. I mean,
01:31:29.679 --> 01:31:31.270
you you learned what you needed to learn
01:31:31.280 --> 01:31:33.590
and it might get you might wind up
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:35.270
leaving that realm and entering another
01:31:35.280 --> 01:31:37.830
one, one that you're more you're more
01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:41.750
suited to at that point.
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:44.070
So, I'm just going to move on to
01:31:44.080 --> 01:31:47.669
Ethiopian fake Tig's next question.
01:31:47.679 --> 01:31:49.830
And I am glad that even though we don't
01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:53.910
have as many questions as say six months
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:55.510
ago,
01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:57.350
um still I can stretch these things out
01:31:57.360 --> 01:32:01.030
into two hours easily just through
01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:03.030
digressing and meandering all over the
01:32:03.040 --> 01:32:05.430
freaking place.
01:32:05.440 --> 01:32:08.470
So, Ethiopian fake tigs. Next question
01:32:08.480 --> 01:32:12.470
is, on Q&A 151, the individual known as
01:32:12.480 --> 01:32:14.310
Chzas
01:32:14.320 --> 01:32:17.990
asked if I had stopped meowing at you. I
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:19.830
wonder if he ever talks about me in the
01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:21.830
Discord server. Not lately. I don't
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:23.830
think anyone's brought up Ethiopian fake
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.870
Tig on the Discord server in months. I
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:29.270
cannot recall the last time Ethiopian
01:32:29.280 --> 01:32:31.669
fake Tig was mentioned.
01:32:31.679 --> 01:32:33.189
I mean, you have been mentioned a few
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:38.470
times, but not lately by anybody Tras is
01:32:38.480 --> 01:32:40.950
or anybody else.
01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:42.149
So, I think I'm just going to move on to
01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:44.709
the next question.
01:32:44.719 --> 01:32:47.350
He says, "Been reading Martin H. Higher
01:32:47.360 --> 01:32:50.310
for a while now, and he and some other
01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:52.709
philosophers ask, why is there something
01:32:52.719 --> 01:32:55.030
instead of nothing?" And I think
01:32:55.040 --> 01:32:57.750
Buddhism has an answer to this, and it's
01:32:57.760 --> 01:32:59.910
cause of impermanence.
01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:03.110
Nothing can't last forever. So nothing
01:33:03.120 --> 01:33:05.510
itself must become something at this
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:07.030
point.
01:33:07.040 --> 01:33:10.070
And upon further exploration of this
01:33:10.080 --> 01:33:11.750
possibility,
01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:13.750
we realize that I'm actually talking
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.629
about the idea of time.
01:33:16.639 --> 01:33:18.950
But till now, we really don't know what
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.030
time is
01:33:21.040 --> 01:33:23.510
or if it even exists.
01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:25.430
And I wanted to ask you, what is time
01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:26.870
from your perspective? So, that's kind
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:29.669
of a out of left field, isn't it? I
01:33:29.679 --> 01:33:30.870
thought he was going to be asking me
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:33.189
about
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:36.149
why nothing. Why is there something
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:38.709
instead of nothing? And then boom, he's
01:33:38.719 --> 01:33:41.189
asking me about time.
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:43.910
Well, I mean, I want to answer the first
01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:45.510
one first, though, even though he didn't
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.110
technically ask it. Why is there
01:33:47.120 --> 01:33:48.790
something instead of nothing? Well,
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:50.790
impermanence. I mean, he's just saying
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:55.110
the impermanence of nothing, but I mean,
01:33:55.120 --> 01:33:57.750
nothing can't last forever, but still,
01:33:57.760 --> 01:33:59.510
what is called nothing isn't really
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:02.390
nothing. Once you have a perception of
01:34:02.400 --> 01:34:06.149
nothing, it's a thing already.
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:08.149
So, I really don't think that that is
01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:10.390
the best explanation for why something
01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:12.790
exists instead of nothing in that
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:14.149
everything is impermanent, including
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:16.470
nothingness itself, and so nothingness
01:34:16.480 --> 01:34:17.910
can't last forever. And so, then you
01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:19.590
have to have something. I mean, that's
01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:21.830
just the way dualism works. You have to
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:23.750
take if there really was nothing.
01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.149
There'd be nobody to perceive nothing.
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:30.390
There'd be nobody to perceive anything.
01:34:30.400 --> 01:34:32.550
So, I mean, nothing has to be turned
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:36.149
into a thing that isn't nothing before,
01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:38.709
you know, there can be this balance with
01:34:38.719 --> 01:34:41.669
with something. That's the duality,
01:34:41.679 --> 01:34:44.790
nothing and something, the dualistic
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:47.590
dependent coarising.
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:50.229
So, I do think that it's
01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:52.390
um why is there something instead of
01:34:52.400 --> 01:34:54.229
nothing? I mean, technically speaking,
01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:55.590
you could say there really isn't
01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:57.830
something instead of nothing, but I
01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:01.430
mean, that's not necessarily persuasive.
01:35:01.440 --> 01:35:04.390
But like I think my argument that it all
01:35:04.400 --> 01:35:06.950
everything balances out and adds up to
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:10.550
nothing still has I mean it still
01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:14.550
results overall as nothing you know like
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.430
even like in this universe you've got
01:35:17.440 --> 01:35:19.189
you know positive and negative you know
01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:21.750
you got negative electrons balancing out
01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:25.590
with positive protons to make atoms
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.550
you got particles and antiparticles that
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.110
split apart they appear out of
01:35:31.120 --> 01:35:34.310
and then they usually just crash back
01:35:34.320 --> 01:35:37.510
into each other and just obliterate and
01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:40.790
you go back to like nothing again.
01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:43.910
So I think that there appears to be
01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:46.149
something instead of nothing partly
01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:49.430
because I mean it it it all boils down
01:35:49.440 --> 01:35:54.070
to the the uncarved block of marble,
01:35:54.080 --> 01:35:57.110
but also it all balances out to zero in
01:35:57.120 --> 01:35:59.110
the long run.
01:35:59.120 --> 01:36:00.310
But that wasn't even the question. He
01:36:00.320 --> 01:36:02.470
was asking
01:36:02.480 --> 01:36:05.430
what is time from your perspective?
01:36:05.440 --> 01:36:07.510
Well, I mean from the scientific point
01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:09.110
of view, it's just another dimension.
01:36:09.120 --> 01:36:12.470
You know, Ein Einsteinian spacetime,
01:36:12.480 --> 01:36:13.910
you know, it's it's pretty much the same
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:15.830
as space. It's just that we perceive it
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:19.590
differently because we are crude
01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:22.950
like organic beings who do not perceive
01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:25.590
the world as it really is.
01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:27.189
So I mean just from the scientific point
01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:31.189
of view time is the fourth dimension and
01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:34.390
I mean going with dimensions I mean one
01:36:34.400 --> 01:36:37.510
way of defining dimensions like how many
01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:39.669
dimensions there are to a certain kind
01:36:39.679 --> 01:36:43.030
of space or universe is how many
01:36:43.040 --> 01:36:46.629
variable or how many what's the word
01:36:46.639 --> 01:36:48.790
what's the word like on on like an xy
01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:52.550
axis how many
01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:54.790
data points no that's not it you know
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:58.629
the x and the y. How many
01:36:58.639 --> 01:37:01.030
there's a word for coordinates. Okay,
01:37:01.040 --> 01:37:02.950
let's just go with coordinates. How many
01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:05.510
coordinates you need to pinpoint the
01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:08.550
position of something. So on a
01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:11.510
two-dimensional like a uh what's his
01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:14.950
name? The cartisian cartisian coordinate
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.189
system. You have the xy axis. You see
01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:19.669
lots of graphs x and y the hot crazy
01:37:19.679 --> 01:37:23.030
matrix x and y. So that you all you need
01:37:23.040 --> 01:37:25.109
is two coordinates to pinpoint
01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:26.709
something. You got the x coordinate and
01:37:26.719 --> 01:37:28.950
the y-coordinate. Boom, there it is.
01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.270
Exactly right there. So a
01:37:31.280 --> 01:37:33.270
three-dimensional space, you've got x,
01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:35.910
y, and z coordinates. But then if you
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:38.950
have if you add time, then you you're
01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:42.149
able to pinpoint the existence of
01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:44.950
anything any point in spaceime, which
01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:47.910
means it's exact position in space at an
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.310
exact time.
01:37:50.320 --> 01:37:54.310
So time from that perspective at least
01:37:54.320 --> 01:37:57.910
is just another another axis on the
01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:00.629
cartisian plan for pinpointing something
01:38:00.639 --> 01:38:03.750
in particular. The thing is we perceive
01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:06.070
space differently from or we perceive
01:38:06.080 --> 01:38:08.790
time differently from space. And I think
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:12.390
that's just a quirk of how our version
01:38:12.400 --> 01:38:15.830
of consciousness works because
01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.629
in order for us to be conscious in in
01:38:18.639 --> 01:38:20.629
anything remotely resembling a human
01:38:20.639 --> 01:38:23.910
sense, there has to be change. And time
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:26.550
really is the perception of change. I
01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:28.149
almost said the perception of change
01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:31.430
over time. But I mean, you're you're
01:38:31.440 --> 01:38:32.950
perceiving
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.189
change. There has to be change. If
01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:37.590
everything remains the same, that's
01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:40.550
death. You know, it's like the human
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:43.990
mind cannot remain completely static. It
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:45.350
would just it would just be like a
01:38:45.360 --> 01:38:46.790
blackout. You wouldn't be aware of
01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:48.470
anything happening because nothing would
01:38:48.480 --> 01:38:50.790
be happening.
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:52.950
So time in that sense, it's just like
01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:54.870
the
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:58.070
it's like the distance between events,
01:38:58.080 --> 01:39:02.629
not in space though.
01:39:02.639 --> 01:39:06.310
So it's I'm I'd go with Kant. It's a
01:39:06.320 --> 01:39:09.750
kind of quirk of perception.
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:13.030
It's a category of perception
01:39:13.040 --> 01:39:15.189
and it's different just because we have
01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:17.990
to have some kind of change going on in
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:22.870
order for our level of sentience
01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:28.310
to exist.
01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:30.790
It's it's hard to it's hard to describe,
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:33.270
hard to explain, I guess. And I don't
01:39:33.280 --> 01:39:37.270
pretend to fully have it all worked out,
01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:39.750
but still there has to be change. I
01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.750
mean, like I like I've said before as as
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:44.070
like a primary example of dependent core
01:39:44.080 --> 01:39:46.950
rising, stasis and change. There has to
01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:49.830
be both. They dependently coarize. If
01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:52.390
you have only stasis and no change,
01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:54.550
that's death. If you have only change
01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:58.629
and no stasis, that's meaningless chaos.
01:39:58.639 --> 01:40:02.070
So the world as we understand it just
01:40:02.080 --> 01:40:04.550
our existence
01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:08.310
subjectively is a balance between stasis
01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:10.950
and change and you can't have change
01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:15.510
without time.
01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.229
So I mean it's just like a prerequisite
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:21.030
for our kind of consciousness. So in a
01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:23.990
way it's I'm kind of going to a kind of
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:25.910
what is it anthropic principle or
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:28.870
something you know it's like it exists
01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:32.550
because we need it to exist for our in
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:37.430
our version of samsara even to exist
01:40:37.440 --> 01:40:39.830
and all possible samsara are out there.
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:43.430
We just wound up with this one.
01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:46.070
any possible version of reality that
01:40:46.080 --> 01:40:48.629
could possibly exist is there in that
01:40:48.639 --> 01:40:51.750
uncarved block of marble. It's just it's
01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:56.390
just as real or unreal as any other.
01:40:56.400 --> 01:40:59.990
And so we just won the lottery and wound
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:03.510
up in a version of Samos Sora with three
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:05.590
dimensions of space and one dimension of
01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:08.629
time. And then as we get more advanced
01:41:08.639 --> 01:41:10.550
maybe we'll start being aware of other
01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.590
dimensions also like probability.
01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:14.950
I think they're already dealing with
01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:20.790
other dimensions in theoretical physics,
01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.830
but don't ask me to define them.
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:25.590
I mean, probability is kind of like
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:29.109
going sideways in time.
01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:31.109
And in that case, I'm seeing it as as
01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:34.229
like a Einsteinian dimension. You know,
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:37.669
it's like if I try to visualize
01:41:37.679 --> 01:41:40.390
like a four-dimensional hypersphere or a
01:41:40.400 --> 01:41:43.350
four-dimensional hyper cube, I use time
01:41:43.360 --> 01:41:45.750
as a kind of gimmick to understand what
01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:47.270
it would look like. You know, you just
01:41:47.280 --> 01:41:49.830
imagine a three-dimensional hypersphere,
01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.070
a three-dimensional sphere suddenly
01:41:52.080 --> 01:41:54.709
appearing and then it it increases in
01:41:54.719 --> 01:41:57.189
size and accelerating rate, stables out
01:41:57.199 --> 01:41:58.950
at a certain size, and then starts
01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:01.189
decreasing in size at an accelerating
01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:03.830
rate until it disappears.
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:05.750
That would be and then you just sort of
01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:08.790
replay that short-term memory of that
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:12.629
happening in as a kind of static
01:42:12.639 --> 01:42:14.310
hole.
01:42:14.320 --> 01:42:16.629
Then in a way that's how I would
01:42:16.639 --> 01:42:18.470
visualize
01:42:18.480 --> 01:42:20.950
uh a four-dimensional hypersphere. A
01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:22.470
four-dimensional hyper cube is more
01:42:22.480 --> 01:42:25.750
difficult because it's it's harder to
01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:28.229
imagine it from certain angles. I mean,
01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.229
if you're imagining it straight on, it
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:31.990
would just be suddenly the a cube
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.470
appears and then disappears. So, that
01:42:34.480 --> 01:42:36.470
would be that would be fairly easy. But
01:42:36.480 --> 01:42:38.310
if you're ex looking at it from an
01:42:38.320 --> 01:42:40.709
angle, then it would you'd be looking at
01:42:40.719 --> 01:42:43.750
a a cube from like a 45 degree angle,
01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:45.510
you know, like an angle is pointing
01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.669
straight at you, it would just suddenly
01:42:47.679 --> 01:42:50.070
appear increase at a steady rate and
01:42:50.080 --> 01:42:51.669
then immediately decrease at a steady
01:42:51.679 --> 01:42:54.229
rate till it was gone. And then you just
01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.550
replay that in your short-term memory.
01:42:56.560 --> 01:42:58.149
add that to the three three dimensions
01:42:58.159 --> 01:43:02.310
of space fourdimensional hyper cube.
01:43:02.320 --> 01:43:05.830
So I look at time as a dimension pretty
01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:07.990
much the way Einstein looked at time as
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:09.910
a dimension but we perceive it
01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:13.270
differently just due to quirks in the
01:43:13.280 --> 01:43:16.149
way the human mind works the way life
01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:19.270
has evolved and the like the nervous
01:43:19.280 --> 01:43:21.430
system and sentience
01:43:21.440 --> 01:43:24.310
has evolved
01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:26.070
and it's just I mean there's not
01:43:26.080 --> 01:43:28.470
necessarily any
01:43:28.480 --> 01:43:31.350
need for it to be this way. I'm sure
01:43:31.360 --> 01:43:32.870
there are an infinite number of other
01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:36.950
ways of having a samosas included in the
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.750
uncarved block of marble.
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:44.629
We just wound up with this one.
01:43:44.639 --> 01:43:47.910
So, I guess after babbling that much, I
01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:49.270
go to the next question. This is from
01:43:49.280 --> 01:43:53.430
PSA. And like I I warned you already,
01:43:53.440 --> 01:43:55.030
this question's already been asked. What
01:43:55.040 --> 01:43:56.709
are your thoughts on the whole Lindsy
01:43:56.719 --> 01:44:01.189
Clansancy thing? guilty.
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:04.470
Yeah, I'm I'm sticking with that lone
01:44:04.480 --> 01:44:07.430
juror hold out that would not find her
01:44:07.440 --> 01:44:10.550
not guilty by a reason of insanity
01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:13.350
because we're all insane.
01:44:13.360 --> 01:44:15.109
And some insane people are more
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.830
acceptable than others. Some mother who
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:19.750
loves her children up until she hears a
01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:21.350
voice telling her to strangle them and
01:44:21.360 --> 01:44:23.270
then she strangles them after planning
01:44:23.280 --> 01:44:25.510
it all out.
01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.830
Well, I don't see how she's all that
01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:31.590
different from like a serial killer. I
01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:33.510
mean, the serial killer might be insane
01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:35.510
for a longer period of time. It could be
01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:37.990
chronic instead of acute,
01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:40.470
but still, I mean, in a way, that would
01:44:40.480 --> 01:44:44.229
make them even less guilty in a sense.
01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:45.669
I mean, they can't help it. The poor
01:44:45.679 --> 01:44:47.510
darlings, they can't help being
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:51.109
sociopathic serial killers. They're just
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:54.470
mentally ill. But so what? I mean it's
01:44:54.480 --> 01:44:56.950
like there there are certain reasons for
01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:59.030
punishing criminals,
01:44:59.040 --> 01:45:02.709
right? It's like in in the in the west
01:45:02.719 --> 01:45:05.270
now like the the progressives they think
01:45:05.280 --> 01:45:07.430
that we should be trying to rehabilitate
01:45:07.440 --> 01:45:10.229
criminals and not punish them. You know,
01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:12.790
punishing them that's just adding more
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:14.790
badness to the world. We should be
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.430
rehabilitating them so that they can be
01:45:17.440 --> 01:45:19.830
like wholesome functioning members of
01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:24.870
society of just mandatory mediocrity.
01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:27.350
But I mean like Schopenhauer pointed out
01:45:27.360 --> 01:45:29.189
with regard to his justification of the
01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:31.590
death penalty, capital punishment, he
01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:33.990
said that one of the the main purpose of
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.390
capital punishment is not to punish the
01:45:36.400 --> 01:45:38.629
criminal. The main purpose of capital
01:45:38.639 --> 01:45:41.590
punishment is to act as a warning to
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:44.629
others. you do that, we're gonna chop
01:45:44.639 --> 01:45:48.310
your head off, too. So, don't do it. But
01:45:48.320 --> 01:45:51.510
the thing is, Lindsy Lindsay Clancy's
01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:55.510
already allegedly getting copycats. I
01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:57.430
mean, she made three million bucks for
01:45:57.440 --> 01:46:02.310
strangling her kids. How insane is that?
01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:04.070
It seems like the women on the jury
01:46:04.080 --> 01:46:05.910
should have been excused on on grounds
01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:09.990
of insanity also.
01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:12.149
So, I mean, you've got a woman who
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.550
strangles her own children. You've got
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:18.149
millions of people just cheering her on,
01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:20.470
taking her side, seeing her as the
01:46:20.480 --> 01:46:23.990
victim. She makes three million bucks.
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:27.990
And so, I mean, obviously, you've got
01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:31.910
white women or just liberal leftist kind
01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:36.310
of women with just the herd mentality.
01:46:36.320 --> 01:46:37.990
There's bound to be at least a few
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:40.310
copycats of women murdering their own
01:46:40.320 --> 01:46:42.550
children just because Lindsay Clancy got
01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:45.430
glorified for doing it.
01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:47.910
So, I mean, you could look at it that
01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:49.590
way as
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:53.270
you punish you find her guilty partly. I
01:46:53.280 --> 01:46:54.709
mean, she did it. I mean, there's no
01:46:54.719 --> 01:46:57.270
there's no real controversy with regard
01:46:57.280 --> 01:46:59.590
to that except for maybe on Tik Tok and
01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:01.990
X where you've got idiots claiming their
01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:03.830
husband did it with zero evidence even
01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:08.790
after Lindsey Clansancy admitted to it.
01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:11.189
So, I mean, I can't remember what the
01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:12.790
end of the that sentence was going to
01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:16.870
be, but still it's like she's she did it
01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:20.149
and therefore she should be punished
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:22.629
partly to prevent other people from
01:47:22.639 --> 01:47:24.629
doing the same thing, which apparently
01:47:24.639 --> 01:47:29.510
is already happening.
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:31.590
And it's not really cruel to punish
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:35.109
Lindsay Clancy because she deliberately
01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:41.270
strangled to death her own children.
01:47:41.280 --> 01:47:43.109
Anyhow, I already answered that question
01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:44.470
before, so I'm just going to move on to
01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:46.070
the next question. This is from Master
01:47:46.080 --> 01:47:47.750
Poe.
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.070
And Master Poe says, and Master Po, I
01:47:50.080 --> 01:47:51.990
have to admit, he's been just kind of
01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:56.470
spamming YouTube links at me. And as a
01:47:56.480 --> 01:47:59.590
general rule, most YouTube links that
01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.550
people send me, I don't watch. It's
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:04.470
just, you know, people send me books
01:48:04.480 --> 01:48:06.950
that I don't read. Sometimes they send
01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:10.310
me links to long articles and stuff that
01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:13.189
I don't read. You know, I I am not
01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:15.270
really obligated
01:48:15.280 --> 01:48:18.229
to watch a video or read a book or read
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:19.750
an essay or whatever just because
01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:21.750
somebody sends me a link or sends me the
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:25.270
book.
01:48:25.280 --> 01:48:27.510
I do read some of them though and I do
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:29.430
watch some of the videos. I watched this
01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:32.310
one. So anyways, Master Po says, "I
01:48:32.320 --> 01:48:36.310
stumbled on this channel Zenith Zen
01:48:36.320 --> 01:48:38.709
allegedly stories from the Buddha. Have
01:48:38.719 --> 01:48:40.390
you or are you familiar with such
01:48:40.400 --> 01:48:44.070
stories from the Buddha?" And so, um, I
01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:45.910
mean, any of you who want to to see the
01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:50.870
video, just go back to the, um, previous
01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:53.109
Q&A video
01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:57.270
number 207. Look at for Mr. Po's um,
01:48:57.280 --> 01:48:59.189
comments on the YouTube video. It's not
01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:01.590
going to be on Bitshoot or Rumble. And
01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:02.790
then you can see the link and you can
01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:04.070
watch the video. It's only a few minutes
01:49:04.080 --> 01:49:08.390
long. And a person is supposedly
01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:09.910
describing
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.590
a suta in which the Buddha holds up a
01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:16.550
handful of soil and then he asked the
01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:20.149
monks which is more the handful of soil
01:49:20.159 --> 01:49:23.830
in my hand or all the soil in the world.
01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:27.750
Easy question, easy answer. And then he
01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:30.310
says, you know, the the odds of being
01:49:30.320 --> 01:49:33.270
born a human are comparable to this
01:49:33.280 --> 01:49:35.350
handful of soil. Whereas the odds of not
01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:38.550
being born a human in this universe are
01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:40.229
like all the rest of the soil in the
01:49:40.239 --> 01:49:43.750
world. And then and I when I was
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.030
listening to that part I was thinking
01:49:45.040 --> 01:49:47.830
well I don't remember any suta where the
01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:50.310
Buddha's holding up a handful of soil
01:49:50.320 --> 01:49:52.070
and but it does kind of remind me with
01:49:52.080 --> 01:49:54.229
regard to the the minuscule odds of
01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:57.590
being born a human of the well-known
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:00.470
like simile of the blind turtle the
01:50:00.480 --> 01:50:02.149
blind sea turtle swimming around the
01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:03.910
ocean. And sure enough, after the
01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:07.270
handful of soil uh simile, then the
01:50:07.280 --> 01:50:08.950
Buddha starts talking about the blind
01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:11.910
turtle who who swims around in this huge
01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:15.350
ocean and he comes up once every hundred
01:50:15.360 --> 01:50:17.430
years to get a breath of air. And you've
01:50:17.440 --> 01:50:20.709
got uh a yoke
01:50:20.719 --> 01:50:23.350
that you know used for, you know, mules
01:50:23.360 --> 01:50:25.750
or donkeys or oxmen or whatever for
01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:27.750
plowing.
01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:29.990
And I mean, I've I've talked about this
01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:32.310
before on previous Q&A videos, and
01:50:32.320 --> 01:50:34.229
sometimes I'll say because people are
01:50:34.239 --> 01:50:37.590
not familiar with yolks much anymore in
01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:39.189
the West, you know, it's it's sort of
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:41.990
like a toilet seat. So, let's say you
01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:43.590
got a toilet seat floating around on the
01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:46.709
ocean and the odds of somebody being
01:50:46.719 --> 01:50:50.470
born uh some being born as a human are
01:50:50.480 --> 01:50:54.149
comparable to that blind sea turtle who
01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:55.830
comes up once every hundred years for
01:50:55.840 --> 01:50:58.550
air coming up with his head right
01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:02.229
through that yolk or toilet seat that's
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:05.270
floating on the surface.
01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:08.709
So, yeah, that's that's in the sutras.
01:51:08.719 --> 01:51:09.990
I mean, it's in the sudas more than
01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:11.990
once. is in the sutin kaya at least
01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.790
twice that I'm aware of. But I mean if
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:16.629
you read the sutas, he doesn't start off
01:51:16.639 --> 01:51:18.390
holding up the handful of soil. It's
01:51:18.400 --> 01:51:22.390
like the person who's narrating this is
01:51:22.400 --> 01:51:24.470
embellishing the heck out of it. You
01:51:24.480 --> 01:51:26.870
know, he's just sort of he's adding all
01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:28.550
these elements about, you know, the the
01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:30.470
monks are all like gasping and wonder
01:51:30.480 --> 01:51:32.870
and all this kind of stuff. It's not in
01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.510
the text. It's just he's embellishing
01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:38.950
the story.
01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:41.669
And the handful of soil is if it if it
01:51:41.679 --> 01:51:43.589
exists in the sutras at all, it's a
01:51:43.599 --> 01:51:45.189
different it's a different suta. I mean,
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:48.070
there is the well-known suta, it's well
01:51:48.080 --> 01:51:49.910
known even to a lot of western Buddhists
01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:52.229
of the sims sappa leaves where the
01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:54.470
Buddha holds up a handful of dried
01:51:54.480 --> 01:51:58.070
leaves from the sims sappa tree and
01:51:58.080 --> 01:52:00.310
says, you know, points out, you know,
01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:02.310
compares the amount of leaves in his
01:52:02.320 --> 01:52:04.229
hand to the amount of leaves in this
01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:08.550
whole forest, the Sims sappa grove. And
01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:10.870
then he points then he says that what I
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:13.830
teach you is comparable to these leaves
01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:15.910
in my hand but all the knowledge that I
01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:18.229
could teach you but don't is like the
01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:23.109
leaves in all the sims sappa grove which
01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.109
you know that's maybe he really said
01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:27.189
that you know I'm sure that if you're an
01:52:27.199 --> 01:52:29.270
enlightened being you know a lot of
01:52:29.280 --> 01:52:32.310
things that either there's really no
01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:34.870
point in in telling other people or like
01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:36.870
it says in the sutas I mean sometimes
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:38.629
the Buddha would say, I mean, I don't
01:52:38.639 --> 01:52:40.229
tell you some of this stuff cuz your
01:52:40.239 --> 01:52:42.070
your mind would just be filled with
01:52:42.080 --> 01:52:44.310
alarm and dread or confusion. I mean,
01:52:44.320 --> 01:52:47.669
you wouldn't know how to deal with it.
01:52:47.679 --> 01:52:50.310
And then there's I mean, there's a lot
01:52:50.320 --> 01:52:52.709
of these weird simileies. I think not
01:52:52.719 --> 01:52:55.990
all of them are are like authentic
01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:58.229
unless the Buddha really did have a a
01:52:58.239 --> 01:53:01.030
quirk for comparing some tiny amount
01:53:01.040 --> 01:53:02.790
with some huge amount and then asking
01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:05.430
the monks which is more the tiny amount
01:53:05.440 --> 01:53:09.270
or the huge amount you know like which
01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:11.270
is there's there's a suta at least one
01:53:11.280 --> 01:53:13.430
suta in the the samuda nikaya where the
01:53:13.440 --> 01:53:15.109
Buddha talks about you know which is
01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:17.990
more two little drops of water on the
01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:20.790
tip of a leaf or this this whole lake
01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:22.550
here. And of course, the monks say,
01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:24.790
"Well, obviously
01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:26.470
there's more water in the lake than
01:53:26.480 --> 01:53:28.310
those those two little drops on the on
01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:31.910
the end of the leaf there."
01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.629
Or like the Buddha, I mean, there there
01:53:34.639 --> 01:53:36.470
sometimes there was there was at least
01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:38.390
one sudo where he scoops up a little bit
01:53:38.400 --> 01:53:40.790
of soil under his fingernail. You know,
01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:42.310
it's like this little fingernail worth
01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:44.070
of soil. He'll compare that to
01:53:44.080 --> 01:53:45.830
something. So, it may be that he did
01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:47.350
have a suta where he held up a handful
01:53:47.360 --> 01:53:49.589
of dirt.
01:53:49.599 --> 01:53:51.910
There's another sut where he talks about
01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:53.830
even the tiniest amount of still
01:53:53.840 --> 01:53:56.629
stinks. So that even the tiniest amount
01:53:56.639 --> 01:54:02.550
of unenlightenment is still undesirable.
01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.709
But anyways the question is have you or
01:54:04.719 --> 01:54:06.550
are you familiar with such stories from
01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:09.589
the Buddha? Yeah like the like the the
01:54:09.599 --> 01:54:11.430
blind turtle. I mean that's that's
01:54:11.440 --> 01:54:14.310
famous in the in the sutas. It's it's in
01:54:14.320 --> 01:54:18.390
the sutas multiple times. So, it is it
01:54:18.400 --> 01:54:20.950
is a well-known suta.
01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:23.430
Um, handful of sims sappa leaves, you
01:54:23.440 --> 01:54:25.350
know, the tiny amount of soil under the
01:54:25.360 --> 01:54:27.270
fingertip. I under the fingernail. I
01:54:27.280 --> 01:54:28.310
can't remember what he was comparing
01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:30.070
that to, but I don't think it was the
01:54:30.080 --> 01:54:32.470
comparison that's made on that video
01:54:32.480 --> 01:54:34.229
where
01:54:34.239 --> 01:54:38.390
either a a terra Buddhist suta, which
01:54:38.400 --> 01:54:40.709
maybe is Zen also because it's a Zen
01:54:40.719 --> 01:54:45.350
channel, um, is con is like combined
01:54:45.360 --> 01:54:46.950
with a different suta. Maybe in a
01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:49.589
Mahayana version it's it's combined like
01:54:49.599 --> 01:54:52.870
that, but in the poly text it's it's the
01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:54.390
same suta doesn't have the Buddha
01:54:54.400 --> 01:54:56.550
holding up a handful of dirt and then
01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:58.470
later talking about the blind sea
01:54:58.480 --> 01:55:00.229
turtle.
01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:02.790
At least I haven't I don't recall seeing
01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:05.830
that suta.
01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:07.750
But yeah, there's there's lots of these
01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:10.229
sutas where the Buddha is holding up a
01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:12.149
tiny amount of something and then
01:55:12.159 --> 01:55:13.430
comparing it with a huge amount
01:55:13.440 --> 01:55:17.189
somewhere else and then for some reason
01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:20.229
maybe didactic purposes he's asking the
01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:22.229
song of the monks there which is greater
01:55:22.239 --> 01:55:24.470
this tiny amount or that huge amount
01:55:24.480 --> 01:55:28.070
which I don't know maybe he really did
01:55:28.080 --> 01:55:30.470
say that kind of stuff but it it seems
01:55:30.480 --> 01:55:33.350
kind of pointless
01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:36.550
but it's for like dramatic effect or you
01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:39.510
know to help in as a teaching aid or
01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:45.350
something. So who knows
01:55:45.360 --> 01:55:48.950
so I guess uh I guess I've answered the
01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:51.030
question have you or are you familiar
01:55:51.040 --> 01:55:54.709
with such stories from the Buddha? Yep.
01:55:54.719 --> 01:55:56.229
That was like a yes or no question
01:55:56.239 --> 01:55:58.149
actually. Some of these yes or no
01:55:58.159 --> 01:55:59.750
questions I really should just kind of
01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:01.510
stick it to the questioner and just
01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:03.589
answer with with a yes or a no and just
01:56:03.599 --> 01:56:06.310
move on to the next question.
01:56:06.320 --> 01:56:09.990
But that would be playing dirty I guess.
01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:14.470
So this is the last question from Arain
01:56:14.480 --> 01:56:16.950
and Arain says can you do a basic
01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:19.430
explanation or comparison of Buddhism
01:56:19.440 --> 01:56:22.310
versus Christianity and a historical
01:56:22.320 --> 01:56:25.510
timeline of when they arose and what
01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:27.910
systems and regions they originally
01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:30.070
arose from?
01:56:30.080 --> 01:56:32.390
I'm thinking of a family tree with
01:56:32.400 --> 01:56:35.109
branches leading up to the two religions
01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:37.990
in a comparison format.
01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:40.870
sort of like forensic genealogy.
01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.910
It's a it's a like a new science that
01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:45.910
they're using. I I've been watching
01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:49.510
Nancy Grace lately and forensic
01:56:49.520 --> 01:56:52.149
genealogy is solving murder cases or
01:56:52.159 --> 01:56:54.709
rape cases or other kinds of assault
01:56:54.719 --> 01:56:59.030
cases that were cold cases for literally
01:56:59.040 --> 01:57:02.390
decades. I watched one last night, I
01:57:02.400 --> 01:57:05.750
think it was, where it was it was just
01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:09.270
an unsolved case from 1959 that they
01:57:09.280 --> 01:57:12.550
finally solved using forensic genealogy,
01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:14.629
which is the way it works. I've already
01:57:14.639 --> 01:57:15.910
mentioned this, but it's kind of
01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.149
interesting to me. So, I'll I'll mention
01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:20.550
it again. I'll describe it again where
01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:23.750
you've got like a murder victim and
01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:25.990
nobody knows who did it. you know, they
01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.310
took fingerprints, but the fingerprints
01:57:28.320 --> 01:57:30.709
aren't on like the the FBI files or
01:57:30.719 --> 01:57:33.589
anything. They they take like in the
01:57:33.599 --> 01:57:35.430
case of a sexual assault, they usually
01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:39.430
get some semen samples and but still, I
01:57:39.440 --> 01:57:42.870
mean, back in like the 1960s, '7s, 80s,
01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:44.629
even 90s, there wasn't much they could
01:57:44.639 --> 01:57:47.669
do with DNA. You know, they got the DNA
01:57:47.679 --> 01:57:50.310
in this sample, maybe even like skin
01:57:50.320 --> 01:57:51.589
from underneath the victim's
01:57:51.599 --> 01:57:53.510
fingernails, other things. Sometimes
01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:55.030
there might be blood that doesn't belong
01:57:55.040 --> 01:57:56.870
to the victim because the victim was
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.830
fighting back, that kind of thing. So
01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:01.990
they they collect this stuff and they
01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:05.430
save it. But like at first you could use
01:58:05.440 --> 01:58:08.709
DNA to compare with the DNA of known
01:58:08.719 --> 01:58:11.430
felons, but if it didn't come up on
01:58:11.440 --> 01:58:13.030
that, you were stuck. I mean, you didn't
01:58:13.040 --> 01:58:14.390
know who it belonged to. It wasn't a
01:58:14.400 --> 01:58:17.430
match with anything. But now they've got
01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:21.910
these genealogy sites like 23 andme or
01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:23.430
ancestry.com
01:58:23.440 --> 01:58:25.830
where literally millions of people are
01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:28.550
sending in their own DNA samples and
01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:31.830
then you get like not only a genealogy
01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:34.229
coming back to you but also they're like
01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:35.990
telling you that you know you're
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:38.629
probably a first cousin with this person
01:58:38.639 --> 01:58:40.709
and you know it's like your ancestors
01:58:40.719 --> 01:58:43.910
are like these people. And so nowadays,
01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:45.750
law enforcement officers, they take the
01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:49.109
DNA sample, they send it to like 23 and
01:58:49.119 --> 01:58:50.870
me and then they just get this thing
01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:53.030
back saying, you know, the person not
01:58:53.040 --> 01:58:55.030
only was a male, I mean, it had to be a
01:58:55.040 --> 01:58:57.030
male if he got a semen sample, but you
01:58:57.040 --> 01:58:59.669
know, it's like and be before even the
01:58:59.679 --> 01:59:01.510
the forensic genealogy, they could say,
01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:03.830
well, we know that he has blue eyes,
01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:05.750
fair complexion,
01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:07.990
fair hair, you know, just just from the
01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.709
DNA, they could learn that much. But now
01:59:10.719 --> 01:59:13.830
with because of these genealogy sites,
01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:16.709
they can say the perpetrator was a
01:59:16.719 --> 01:59:20.229
second cousin of this person who sent in
01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:22.870
their DNA sample. You know, it's and
01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:25.830
it's on the files. And so there's only a
01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:27.910
limited number of second cousins of that
01:59:27.920 --> 01:59:30.229
person. And you know, they can do a
01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:33.109
genealogy and they can find out who the
01:59:33.119 --> 01:59:35.830
second cousins are and then which second
01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:38.229
cousins are at the right age and were in
01:59:38.239 --> 01:59:40.790
that area at the time. Like there was
01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:43.830
one I watched a couple nights ago, some
01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.709
woman on army ba or I think she was navy
01:59:46.719 --> 01:59:49.109
base. It was a navy base and she just
01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:51.669
gets brutally raped and murdered. They
01:59:51.679 --> 01:59:54.149
find her body just dumped somewhere for
01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:55.910
more than 20 years. They don't know who
01:59:55.920 --> 01:59:58.149
did it until finally
01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:00.629
they are able to use this forensic
02:00:00.639 --> 02:00:02.149
genealogy
02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:04.709
and sorry Irene that I'm taking so long
02:00:04.719 --> 02:00:06.790
to get into the question
02:00:06.800 --> 02:00:09.589
but you know they just put it into these
02:00:09.599 --> 02:00:12.950
ancestry sites and turns out that
02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:15.030
there's you know it's like a a second
02:00:15.040 --> 02:00:17.430
cousin on one side of the family and a
02:00:17.440 --> 02:00:19.350
first cousin on the other side and they
02:00:19.360 --> 02:00:22.390
got it narrowed down to just one name
02:00:22.400 --> 02:00:25.990
and then they send that one name back to
02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:27.669
the law enforcement agency because it's
02:00:27.679 --> 02:00:30.470
done in some genealogy lab. And it turns
02:00:30.480 --> 02:00:32.629
out that one name just happened to be
02:00:32.639 --> 02:00:35.189
stationed at that same Navy base at the
02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:38.149
time that this woman was murdered.
02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:41.189
And so they just go and arrest him after
02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:45.350
like 30 years.
02:00:45.360 --> 02:00:46.870
Anyways, let's get back to Arian's
02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:49.830
question though.
02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:53.750
So she wants a kind of common ancestor
02:00:53.760 --> 02:00:55.350
apparently
02:00:55.360 --> 02:00:57.830
requesting a common ancestor between
02:00:57.840 --> 02:01:00.629
Christianity and Buddhism.
02:01:00.639 --> 02:01:03.109
But I really don't think there is a
02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:05.270
common ancestor.
02:01:05.280 --> 02:01:07.669
I mean, there's going to be some sort of
02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:09.750
prehistoric
02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:13.350
cultural elements that maybe started in
02:01:13.360 --> 02:01:15.910
the near east and, you know, sort of
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:18.709
like probably some prehistoric cultural
02:01:18.719 --> 02:01:22.310
elements of like Neolithic farmers who
02:01:22.320 --> 02:01:25.270
just migrated out from, you know, from
02:01:25.280 --> 02:01:28.310
like southern Turkey and like the the
02:01:28.320 --> 02:01:31.910
Levant, the the fertile al Crescent. So
02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:34.470
I mean there's bound to be some kind of
02:01:34.480 --> 02:01:38.390
cultural substrate some some elements
02:01:38.400 --> 02:01:41.750
that are common to to the Ganges Valley
02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:46.470
you know five centuries BCE and like
02:01:46.480 --> 02:01:51.189
Galilee in the first century CE you know
02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:54.149
there's bound to be some kind of
02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:57.830
prehistoric cultural elements that were
02:01:57.840 --> 02:02:01.109
derived from you know mainly Neolithic
02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:03.109
farmers, maybe a little bit of
02:02:03.119 --> 02:02:06.950
Indo-Uropean stuff that got got added,
02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:09.350
but I don't think anybody could really
02:02:09.360 --> 02:02:10.709
pinpoint any of this because it's
02:02:10.719 --> 02:02:13.830
prehistoric. We don't know exactly what
02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:16.550
like the religious beliefs of Neolithic
02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:19.669
farmers of the Near East, what what they
02:02:19.679 --> 02:02:21.109
were.
02:02:21.119 --> 02:02:22.550
So, I don't think that you're going to
02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:25.030
have like
02:02:25.040 --> 02:02:28.310
uh a latest common ancestor
02:02:28.320 --> 02:02:30.229
that's that's going to come up for two
02:02:30.239 --> 02:02:33.350
different spiritual systems. Spiritual
02:02:33.360 --> 02:02:35.030
systems, I mean, it's not like species
02:02:35.040 --> 02:02:37.270
of life where they have to have a common
02:02:37.280 --> 02:02:40.709
ancestor at some point. It's like a a
02:02:40.719 --> 02:02:43.270
religion. It can just depend on some
02:02:43.280 --> 02:02:45.189
charismatic
02:02:45.199 --> 02:02:48.310
wise man or charismatic warlord in some
02:02:48.320 --> 02:02:51.589
cases who just
02:02:51.599 --> 02:02:53.430
says this is the way it is. We're going
02:02:53.440 --> 02:02:56.229
to worship this god from now on or you
02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:58.229
know whatever it is. And it doesn't
02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:00.470
necessarily have to have any links with
02:03:00.480 --> 02:03:03.030
a different religious system that arose
02:03:03.040 --> 02:03:06.310
centuries later or earlier thousands of
02:03:06.320 --> 02:03:09.109
miles away. You know, like how would you
02:03:09.119 --> 02:03:12.629
come up with a religion or any kind of
02:03:12.639 --> 02:03:15.589
like common ancestor between like the
02:03:15.599 --> 02:03:18.790
religion of the Aztecs and the religion
02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:22.709
of some animists in subsaharan Africa a
02:03:22.719 --> 02:03:25.750
thousand years ago? I mean, I don't
02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:28.149
think it's possible. I mean, maybe you
02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:31.109
can have somebody on YouTube coming up
02:03:31.119 --> 02:03:34.550
with theories and conjectures,
02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:36.950
but I mean, that's all it would be is
02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:41.990
just theories and conjectures.
02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:44.629
So, historical timeline of when they
02:03:44.639 --> 02:03:46.550
arose, I suppose the most most
02:03:46.560 --> 02:03:48.229
systematic way would be to start with
02:03:48.239 --> 02:03:50.390
one and then deal with the other. And
02:03:50.400 --> 02:03:53.830
first, the like chronologically is
02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:56.149
Buddhism. And on this channel, of
02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:59.669
course, Buddhism comes first also.
02:03:59.679 --> 02:04:03.910
So Buddhism, I mean, it started off, it
02:04:03.920 --> 02:04:07.350
has like two main roots, two main
02:04:07.360 --> 02:04:09.189
ancestors.
02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:12.310
First of all, you've got probably the
02:04:12.320 --> 02:04:15.990
indigenous spiritual system of like the
02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.310
Indis Valley civilization, one of the
02:04:18.320 --> 02:04:21.109
the four great prehistoric civilizations
02:04:21.119 --> 02:04:22.950
or five one of the five great
02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:25.750
prehistoric civilizations known to
02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:28.950
archaeology at present. It arose like in
02:04:28.960 --> 02:04:31.430
the Indis Valley and you know it it
02:04:31.440 --> 02:04:34.709
extended you know well into northwestern
02:04:34.719 --> 02:04:37.030
India
02:04:37.040 --> 02:04:38.709
and
02:04:38.719 --> 02:04:41.430
apparently just based on what what
02:04:41.440 --> 02:04:43.350
little archaeologists know about the
02:04:43.360 --> 02:04:45.589
Indis Valley civilization and also
02:04:45.599 --> 02:04:50.070
Indologists just kind of finding archaic
02:04:50.080 --> 02:04:53.030
elements in Indian religion that
02:04:53.040 --> 02:04:55.270
apparently was like an atheistic system
02:04:55.280 --> 02:04:57.669
that believed that this world is a bad
02:04:57.679 --> 02:05:01.270
place and that you can escape from this
02:05:01.280 --> 02:05:03.589
world through self- purification.
02:05:03.599 --> 02:05:05.990
purification of your spirit so that you
02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:09.270
can rise up into like a heaven realm and
02:05:09.280 --> 02:05:12.629
and this purification involved a lot of
02:05:12.639 --> 02:05:15.430
aseticism and also apparently other
02:05:15.440 --> 02:05:18.390
yogic techniques
02:05:18.400 --> 02:05:20.629
and then the Indo-Uropeans the
02:05:20.639 --> 02:05:23.990
Indo-arians invaded with their vadic
02:05:24.000 --> 02:05:26.310
like fire sacrifices and so forth and
02:05:26.320 --> 02:05:28.470
that became the dominant religious
02:05:28.480 --> 02:05:31.030
system among civilized people in
02:05:31.040 --> 02:05:35.109
northwestern India after around 1500 BCE
02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:37.830
but gradually I mean the the indigenous
02:05:37.840 --> 02:05:41.109
system still it you know it's still it
02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:43.589
still existed around the edges of Vadic
02:05:43.599 --> 02:05:46.149
civilization and at some point it
02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:48.709
started like there started being a kind
02:05:48.719 --> 02:05:52.790
of hybrid between just the the
02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:55.589
Indo-Uropean fire sacrifices which at
02:05:55.599 --> 02:05:57.430
first weren't all that different from
02:05:57.440 --> 02:05:59.189
like the religion of the ancient Romans
02:05:59.199 --> 02:06:01.270
and the ancient Greeks you know was this
02:06:01.280 --> 02:06:03.510
polytheistic pantheon on and you
02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:05.990
sacrifice animals in the fire in order
02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:08.390
to get worldly benefits to get the the
02:06:08.400 --> 02:06:10.550
gods on your side so that you can have
02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:12.310
victory over your enemies and great
02:06:12.320 --> 02:06:15.109
wealth and like increase in cattle and
02:06:15.119 --> 02:06:17.990
sons this kind of thing. But it
02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:20.149
gradually started getting more
02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:22.310
philosophical
02:06:22.320 --> 02:06:25.510
as you know as uh a civilization kind of
02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:28.149
settles down becomes more urbanized more
02:06:28.159 --> 02:06:30.390
sophisticated their religious beliefs
02:06:30.400 --> 02:06:32.790
start becoming more like philosophical
02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:35.350
and sophisticated also but also these
02:06:35.360 --> 02:06:38.069
elements from outside Vadic culture that
02:06:38.079 --> 02:06:40.229
were still kind of latent around the
02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:44.390
edges of this atheistic system that sees
02:06:44.400 --> 02:06:47.030
the world as like some sor and something
02:06:47.040 --> 02:06:49.669
to escape from or transcended and you do
02:06:49.679 --> 02:06:54.629
it through yogic you know austerity and
02:06:54.639 --> 02:06:56.870
meditation and so forth that started
02:06:56.880 --> 02:07:00.790
absorbing into this vadism and you wound
02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:05.189
up having um various nonvadic sects that
02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:07.189
were influenced by vadism they used like
02:07:07.199 --> 02:07:09.990
the language of vadism you know an indic
02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:12.229
language used a lot of the concepts of
02:07:12.239 --> 02:07:15.750
vadism but at the same time their main
02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:17.510
route went all the way back into
02:07:17.520 --> 02:07:19.430
prehistoric times like the Indis Valley
02:07:19.440 --> 02:07:23.669
civilization where um you know they
02:07:23.679 --> 02:07:27.030
weren't really into fire sacrifice. It
02:07:27.040 --> 02:07:30.470
wasn't this worldly and I mean it was
02:07:30.480 --> 02:07:33.750
more like samsara is something that we
02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:36.550
should escape from through purification
02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:39.510
self- purification transcendence of all
02:07:39.520 --> 02:07:42.069
this ickiness.
02:07:42.079 --> 02:07:45.589
So you had uh early nonvadic schools
02:07:45.599 --> 02:07:48.870
like Buddhism also Janism, the Aivacas
02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:52.950
and there were various others like um uh
02:07:52.960 --> 02:07:55.109
a man named Basham wrote this really
02:07:55.119 --> 02:07:56.470
good book called the wonder that was
02:07:56.480 --> 02:08:00.470
India and he mentions that a lot of the
02:08:00.480 --> 02:08:03.109
like the non Buddhist philos or the
02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:06.629
nonvadic non Buddhist philosophers that
02:08:06.639 --> 02:08:09.030
are mentioned in the texts
02:08:09.040 --> 02:08:10.790
I mean some of them maybe half of them
02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:12.390
could be considered some kind of a
02:08:12.400 --> 02:08:16.310
jivaca or other
02:08:16.320 --> 02:08:19.430
or maybe let's see there's there's also
02:08:19.440 --> 02:08:23.270
a kind of like a a worldly philosopher
02:08:23.280 --> 02:08:27.910
that later on became known as churvaka
02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:29.830
now I'm starting to confuse myself but I
02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:32.229
do think that basham considered at least
02:08:32.239 --> 02:08:34.470
three of the six heretical features that
02:08:34.480 --> 02:08:37.990
are in this stock list to be a jivacas
02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:42.870
so but anyways you had various nonvadic
02:08:42.880 --> 02:08:46.550
systems. Um what's the there's sania is
02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:48.790
another one which eventually became um
02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:51.430
at least it eventually got absorbed into
02:08:51.440 --> 02:08:54.950
vadism as yoga but that also started off
02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:57.910
as a kind of atheistic system.
02:08:57.920 --> 02:09:01.430
You got theistic uh sanka and atheistic
02:09:01.440 --> 02:09:05.510
sanka with theistic sanka being um the
02:09:05.520 --> 02:09:07.750
the aspects of sania that got
02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:09.990
incorporated into what is now called
02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:13.910
Hinduism.
02:09:13.920 --> 02:09:20.950
So how that compares to Judaism like in
02:09:20.960 --> 02:09:24.629
what is now Israel, Lebanon, that that
02:09:24.639 --> 02:09:28.550
general area, the Levant
02:09:28.560 --> 02:09:30.629
Canaan.
02:09:30.639 --> 02:09:33.030
I mean, how what the connection is. I
02:09:33.040 --> 02:09:34.950
mean, it couldn't be anything really
02:09:34.960 --> 02:09:38.069
more, it seems to me, than cultural
02:09:38.079 --> 02:09:42.709
elements from prehistoric tribes that
02:09:42.719 --> 02:09:45.109
settled in both areas. So there'd be
02:09:45.119 --> 02:09:47.030
like latent
02:09:47.040 --> 02:09:49.669
cultural elements of like Neolithic
02:09:49.679 --> 02:09:52.790
farmers or maybe some Indo-Uropeans
02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:55.830
that settled in both places that brought
02:09:55.840 --> 02:09:58.310
certain fundamental beliefs into both
02:09:58.320 --> 02:10:00.229
places
02:10:00.239 --> 02:10:01.910
but it's hard to say exactly what they
02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:04.790
would be. I mean Christianity I mean now
02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:06.950
that we've we've mentioned Buddhism you
02:10:06.960 --> 02:10:08.709
know that Buddhism arose from this
02:10:08.719 --> 02:10:10.229
amalgamation
02:10:10.239 --> 02:10:14.229
of the kind of prehistoric Indos Valley
02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:18.470
uh spiritual system with like Indo-arian
02:10:18.480 --> 02:10:21.830
uh vadism.
02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:23.430
So that was that was kind of how
02:10:23.440 --> 02:10:25.750
Buddhism arose in in like the Ganges
02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:28.390
Valley, you know, approximately
02:10:28.400 --> 02:10:32.149
fifth century BCE.
02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:34.950
And then Christianity, of course, it
02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:40.149
started off with Judaism. And I mean it
02:10:40.159 --> 02:10:41.910
may be within the next few days I'm
02:10:41.920 --> 02:10:44.790
going to be finally doing a video with
02:10:44.800 --> 02:10:47.109
two friends of mine that if you've seen
02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:48.629
a lot of my videos you may have seen
02:10:48.639 --> 02:10:51.669
Otto and Numa with regard to the origins
02:10:51.679 --> 02:10:53.990
of Judaism
02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:56.950
which is something that we were debating
02:10:56.960 --> 02:11:00.149
almost heatedly a matter of months ago
02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:02.390
but then we just never were able to get
02:11:02.400 --> 02:11:04.870
around to doing a video on the subject.
02:11:04.880 --> 02:11:07.510
But um just kind of setting that aside,
02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:10.790
I mean Jesus obviously was a Jew. You
02:11:10.800 --> 02:11:13.189
know, he's called rabbi
02:11:13.199 --> 02:11:16.069
in in the New Testament.
02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:20.470
Um so I mean Judaism arose mainly just
02:11:20.480 --> 02:11:23.030
from a kind of
02:11:23.040 --> 02:11:25.350
like a
02:11:25.360 --> 02:11:27.830
the Canaanites. I mean it started off
02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:30.550
Judaism started off as like a branch of
02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:33.510
the Canaanites. you know, L was one of
02:11:33.520 --> 02:11:35.910
their main gods. He had like I mean,
02:11:35.920 --> 02:11:37.430
I've talked about this in a relatively
02:11:37.440 --> 02:11:39.669
recent Q&A. You know, he had the
02:11:39.679 --> 02:11:42.950
consort, a female consort, and then
02:11:42.960 --> 02:11:44.790
presumably around the time of the
02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:47.510
mythological Moses. There really was
02:11:47.520 --> 02:11:51.350
some kind of Moses figure who introduced
02:11:51.360 --> 02:11:55.109
the worship of Yahweh who was a kind of
02:11:55.119 --> 02:11:58.550
Edomite or Midianite war god, a god of
02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:01.270
like blood and desert storms and this
02:12:01.280 --> 02:12:04.390
kind of stuff that he u combined that
02:12:04.400 --> 02:12:07.830
with l you know they got conflated
02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:13.030
and also especially according to uh Numa
02:12:13.040 --> 02:12:16.950
and Otto that Judaism um eventually
02:12:16.960 --> 02:12:19.189
became heavily influenced by Greek
02:12:19.199 --> 02:12:21.270
philosophy
02:12:21.280 --> 02:12:24.550
and that Otto especially was has claimed
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and I I'm might debate this point if we
02:12:28.400 --> 02:12:30.950
ever get around to doing the the video
02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:34.870
that monotheism was actually an idea
02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:39.750
that the Jews took from Plato.
02:12:39.760 --> 02:12:42.149
But we don't really have to to deal with
02:12:42.159 --> 02:12:47.109
that too much other than Christianity is
02:12:47.119 --> 02:12:49.830
like a kind of helenized
02:12:49.840 --> 02:12:53.270
Semitic religious system. So it starts
02:12:53.280 --> 02:12:56.310
off mainly as Jewish and and I mean the
02:12:56.320 --> 02:12:59.189
Jewish religion as it existed in Jesus's
02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:04.310
time. Um I mean it was mainly Semitic
02:13:04.320 --> 02:13:06.950
but was influenced by by Greek ideas,
02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:11.350
Greek philosophy like um the the Greek
02:13:11.360 --> 02:13:14.149
like the Septuagent Bible that was it
02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:16.149
was the Old Testament translated into
02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:19.030
Greek that was done in Alexandria Egypt
02:13:19.040 --> 02:13:22.629
and a lot of the the Jewish philosophers
02:13:22.639 --> 02:13:24.470
that were really influential in early
02:13:24.480 --> 02:13:28.229
Judaism and early Christianity were in
02:13:28.239 --> 02:13:30.790
Alexandria Egypt which was a kind of
02:13:30.800 --> 02:13:34.069
cosmopolitan city of the Roman Empire. I
02:13:34.079 --> 02:13:35.510
mean before it was the Roman Empire, it
02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:39.270
was part of the tomic empire and it was
02:13:39.280 --> 02:13:40.870
just right in the trade routes. You had
02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:44.229
Indian Indian merchants going through
02:13:44.239 --> 02:13:46.390
Indian sailors probably. You had some
02:13:46.400 --> 02:13:48.950
like Indian like Buddhist missionaries
02:13:48.960 --> 02:13:51.510
even in Alexandria. So there there could
02:13:51.520 --> 02:13:54.149
be some influence between Buddhism and
02:13:54.159 --> 02:13:56.629
Christianity because of you had
02:13:56.639 --> 02:13:59.830
Buddhists existing in and around
02:13:59.840 --> 02:14:02.149
Alexandria Egypt which was one of the
02:14:02.159 --> 02:14:05.990
main sites of like philosophical
02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:09.430
development for Jew late Judaism at the
02:14:09.440 --> 02:14:16.069
time and then early Christianity also.
02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:19.830
So
02:14:19.840 --> 02:14:22.390
still I mean any kind of connection
02:14:22.400 --> 02:14:25.589
between Buddhism and Christianity is
02:14:25.599 --> 02:14:28.470
conjectural and hypothetical
02:14:28.480 --> 02:14:30.950
um until more archaeology comes to
02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:32.629
light. I mean sooner or later they may
02:14:32.639 --> 02:14:36.229
come up with you know some text composed
02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:39.189
by you know some
02:14:39.199 --> 02:14:41.189
I don't know Jewish philosopher who's
02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:44.390
mentioning some some Buddhist monk who
02:14:44.400 --> 02:14:46.390
inspired him in this or that idea
02:14:46.400 --> 02:14:49.270
something like that.
02:14:49.280 --> 02:14:51.430
So all we know for sure is that Buddhism
02:14:51.440 --> 02:14:53.750
had kind of a
02:14:53.760 --> 02:14:56.069
marginal influence
02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:59.669
on like philosophical thought or
02:14:59.679 --> 02:15:01.750
religious thought especially in the area
02:15:01.760 --> 02:15:05.750
of Alexandria Egypt which was like like
02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:08.629
a big university town pretty much you
02:15:08.639 --> 02:15:11.430
know the lot of intelligent people there
02:15:11.440 --> 02:15:14.629
including Jews and early Christians were
02:15:14.639 --> 02:15:18.069
there formulating ideas so there could
02:15:18.079 --> 02:15:20.550
some a little bit of influence that way.
02:15:20.560 --> 02:15:21.830
I don't think that Christianity
02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:25.270
influenced Buddhism much at all until um
02:15:25.280 --> 02:15:26.950
Buddhism became known to the West. I
02:15:26.960 --> 02:15:28.790
mean, Protestant Christianity is running
02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:32.709
a muk in in Buddhism in the West now by
02:15:32.719 --> 02:15:34.629
people who don't consider themselves to
02:15:34.639 --> 02:15:37.350
be Protestant Buddhists or Protestant
02:15:37.360 --> 02:15:39.830
Christians. you know, they're they they
02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:41.830
reject Christianity, but they've been
02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:45.510
born and raised in a culture that's been
02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:48.629
steeped in Christ, like Protestant
02:15:48.639 --> 02:15:50.629
Christian thought, you know, like the
02:15:50.639 --> 02:15:53.589
the value system in all this is heavily
02:15:53.599 --> 02:15:57.030
influenced by Protestant Christianity,
02:15:57.040 --> 02:16:00.229
you know, just America, which you know,
02:16:00.239 --> 02:16:02.709
America, Western Europe and so forth. I
02:16:02.719 --> 02:16:04.629
mean, it's heavily influenced by
02:16:04.639 --> 02:16:07.270
Protestant Christianity.
02:16:07.280 --> 02:16:09.270
And so people think like Protestant
02:16:09.280 --> 02:16:10.950
Christians even if they profess
02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:14.069
Buddhism. And so that's where there's a
02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:16.709
lot of Protestant Buddhism arising in
02:16:16.719 --> 02:16:18.629
the West. You know, downplaying the
02:16:18.639 --> 02:16:20.950
importance of monasticism, downplaying
02:16:20.960 --> 02:16:23.270
stuff like renunciation,
02:16:23.280 --> 02:16:25.350
this kind of thing.
02:16:25.360 --> 02:16:27.830
But that's late. That's not going to be
02:16:27.840 --> 02:16:32.870
any kind of uh you know like an early an
02:16:32.880 --> 02:16:35.589
early influence. I mean that's 20th
02:16:35.599 --> 02:16:37.509
century. This will not really get
02:16:37.519 --> 02:16:39.830
started.
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:41.830
So, let's see if I'm I'm doing justice
02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:44.469
to this. See, I I'm gonna read the the
02:16:44.479 --> 02:16:45.910
question again, even though there's no
02:16:45.920 --> 02:16:47.349
question. Oh, there's a question mark.
02:16:47.359 --> 02:16:50.790
Okay. Can you do a basic explanation or
02:16:50.800 --> 02:16:53.030
comparison of Buddhism versus
02:16:53.040 --> 02:16:54.709
Christianity
02:16:54.719 --> 02:16:57.190
and a historical timeline of when they
02:16:57.200 --> 02:17:00.230
arose and what systems and regions they
02:17:00.240 --> 02:17:02.629
originally arose from? Okay. Well, the
02:17:02.639 --> 02:17:05.110
regions of course Buddhism arose in the
02:17:05.120 --> 02:17:07.349
Ganges Valley
02:17:07.359 --> 02:17:10.309
like 500 years before Christianity
02:17:10.319 --> 02:17:14.150
arose. Christian or Christianity arose
02:17:14.160 --> 02:17:18.469
mainly in Galilee and Judea.
02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:21.030
But Galilee and Judea were essentially
02:17:21.040 --> 02:17:24.230
provinces of the Roman Empire with like
02:17:24.240 --> 02:17:27.990
unlimited travel pretty much. So you had
02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:30.150
missionaries just going throughout the
02:17:30.160 --> 02:17:32.230
Roman Empire which included you know
02:17:32.240 --> 02:17:34.629
most of Western Europe and you know the
02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:37.030
Near East and and Greece and Egypt,
02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:39.750
North Africa. You know it's it was it
02:17:39.760 --> 02:17:43.030
was a big empire.
02:17:43.040 --> 02:17:44.709
So that's one reason why Christianity
02:17:44.719 --> 02:17:46.950
was able to spread as much as it did was
02:17:46.960 --> 02:17:50.469
because you know it was it was it took
02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:52.469
it it arose in the Roman Empire and the
02:17:52.479 --> 02:17:54.150
Roman Empire was big and you could just
02:17:54.160 --> 02:17:56.549
travel throughout the Roman Empire. Um
02:17:56.559 --> 02:18:00.629
and missionaries took advantage of that.
02:18:00.639 --> 02:18:03.429
So what systems
02:18:03.439 --> 02:18:05.830
okay what regions they arose from?
02:18:05.840 --> 02:18:10.870
Ganges Valley and Galilee Judea. That's
02:18:10.880 --> 02:18:12.790
where they arose. Buddhism arose in the
02:18:12.800 --> 02:18:15.349
Ganges Valley 500 years before
02:18:15.359 --> 02:18:19.830
Christianity arose in Galilee and Judea.
02:18:19.840 --> 02:18:22.309
And then what systems they arose from?
02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:23.990
Well, Buddhism arose from this
02:18:24.000 --> 02:18:28.790
amalgamation of like the prehistoric
02:18:28.800 --> 02:18:32.950
like shramana traditions and like
02:18:32.960 --> 02:18:35.589
Indo-arian vadism. It was sort of an
02:18:35.599 --> 02:18:38.230
amalgamation of that or was distilled
02:18:38.240 --> 02:18:41.349
from the combination of these. Whereas
02:18:41.359 --> 02:18:44.389
Christianity arose as a kind of similar
02:18:44.399 --> 02:18:47.509
distillation of Judaism and Greek
02:18:47.519 --> 02:18:49.669
philosophy although Judaism was already
02:18:49.679 --> 02:18:51.509
being influenced by Greek philosophy
02:18:51.519 --> 02:18:54.629
before the advent of Christianity. So it
02:18:54.639 --> 02:18:57.190
was already a kind of helenized
02:18:57.200 --> 02:19:00.389
Judaism from which Christianity arose.
02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:01.589
But those would be the two main
02:19:01.599 --> 02:19:03.429
influences on the arising of
02:19:03.439 --> 02:19:07.429
Christianity would be like Jewish
02:19:07.439 --> 02:19:11.910
thought and Greek thought.
02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:16.870
So let's see. Okay. Historical timeline
02:19:16.880 --> 02:19:18.629
of when they arose, I covered that. The
02:19:18.639 --> 02:19:20.870
systems they originally rose from, I
02:19:20.880 --> 02:19:22.230
covered that. The regions they
02:19:22.240 --> 02:19:25.750
originally rose from, I covered that. So
02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:27.589
all that's left is the very first part
02:19:27.599 --> 02:19:30.790
here, a basic explanation comparison of
02:19:30.800 --> 02:19:33.750
Buddhism versus Christianity.
02:19:33.760 --> 02:19:36.389
And the way it works out with any kind
02:19:36.399 --> 02:19:39.910
of religion or religious system or
02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:43.030
spiritual system that is has like an is
02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:45.669
gets up towards enlightenment level is
02:19:45.679 --> 02:19:48.469
you find that the different systems
02:19:48.479 --> 02:19:51.030
become more and more similar the higher
02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:54.630
up they go the more wise they become. So
02:19:54.640 --> 02:19:57.110
down at the bottom which is where most
02:19:57.120 --> 02:20:00.070
people follow their religion. It's I
02:20:00.080 --> 02:20:01.990
mean it's different as night and day in
02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:04.790
some cases you know it's like this
02:20:04.800 --> 02:20:06.710
people insisting you know their religion
02:20:06.720 --> 02:20:08.070
is the wrong religion. They don't
02:20:08.080 --> 02:20:10.070
worship the the correct gods and all
02:20:10.080 --> 02:20:12.710
this but as you go higher and higher
02:20:12.720 --> 02:20:16.150
they become more and more similar.
02:20:16.160 --> 02:20:20.790
As you ascend Mount Carmel so to speak.
02:20:20.800 --> 02:20:25.270
So I mean there are some flagrant
02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:27.510
differences between Christianity and
02:20:27.520 --> 02:20:30.630
Buddhism especially at the basic level
02:20:30.640 --> 02:20:32.950
you know it's like Christianity there is
02:20:32.960 --> 02:20:36.309
a creator god Buddhism no creator god
02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:38.870
Christianity there's an immortal soul an
02:20:38.880 --> 02:20:41.910
individual mortal soul
02:20:41.920 --> 02:20:44.150
Buddhism there is no immortal soul there
02:20:44.160 --> 02:20:47.349
is no real self at all in Christianity
02:20:47.359 --> 02:20:49.270
whether you go to heaven or hell depends
02:20:49.280 --> 02:20:52.230
on what kind of mood God is in God is
02:20:52.240 --> 02:20:53.910
the one who sends you there. In
02:20:53.920 --> 02:20:56.550
Buddhism, you you send yourself to
02:20:56.560 --> 02:20:59.349
heaven, you send yourself to hell, or
02:20:59.359 --> 02:21:01.030
you send yourself back into the human
02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:03.030
realm or whatever realm you land in
02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:05.750
after you die. You know, it's it's up to
02:21:05.760 --> 02:21:07.590
you.
02:21:07.600 --> 02:21:09.270
And in Christianity, it kind of is up to
02:21:09.280 --> 02:21:11.910
you, too, because you can you can choose
02:21:11.920 --> 02:21:15.349
with your so-called free will whether to
02:21:15.359 --> 02:21:17.429
obey God's commandments or not. You
02:21:17.439 --> 02:21:19.349
know, that kind of thing.
02:21:19.359 --> 02:21:22.070
So I mean both you know in both I mean
02:21:22.080 --> 02:21:24.550
in any kind of religion I suppose there
02:21:24.560 --> 02:21:26.630
has to be some sort of moral agency
02:21:26.640 --> 02:21:29.510
where you can do good or do bad where
02:21:29.520 --> 02:21:32.230
you can go to where you can attain the
02:21:32.240 --> 02:21:35.670
goal or fail to attain the goal in the
02:21:35.680 --> 02:21:37.910
system.
02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:40.550
Um, let's see. Of course, in
02:21:40.560 --> 02:21:43.110
Christianity, there is no rebirth. You
02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:45.349
know, it's like you wind up in hell
02:21:45.359 --> 02:21:48.150
forever or heaven forever as a result of
02:21:48.160 --> 02:21:50.469
your actions over the span of a few
02:21:50.479 --> 02:21:53.110
decades, which doesn't strike me as
02:21:53.120 --> 02:21:56.469
entirely just. Whereas in Buddhism, it's
02:21:56.479 --> 02:21:59.190
just Groundhog Day. It just keeps going
02:21:59.200 --> 02:22:01.349
over and over again.
02:22:01.359 --> 02:22:03.750
Not exact repetitions, but still you got
02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:06.790
to keep doing it until you get it right,
02:22:06.800 --> 02:22:10.389
till you get it perfect.
02:22:10.399 --> 02:22:11.910
Um,
02:22:11.920 --> 02:22:13.270
let's see. Those are some of the main
02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:14.790
differences. Of course, one of the main
02:22:14.800 --> 02:22:16.150
differences between Buddhism and
02:22:16.160 --> 02:22:18.070
Christianity is Christianity, you got to
02:22:18.080 --> 02:22:21.670
accept Jesus Christ as your savior. You
02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:24.710
have to believe that a Jewish carpenter
02:22:24.720 --> 02:22:26.870
turned miracle rabbi who lived in the
02:22:26.880 --> 02:22:29.510
early Roman Empire is the creator of the
02:22:29.520 --> 02:22:31.750
universe who died for your sins. And
02:22:31.760 --> 02:22:33.270
you're not going to go to heaven unless
02:22:33.280 --> 02:22:36.230
you believe in this person. Of course,
02:22:36.240 --> 02:22:39.670
in Buddhism, that's absent. In fact, you
02:22:39.680 --> 02:22:41.349
don't have to believe the Buddha was
02:22:41.359 --> 02:22:44.070
anything in particular. That he was in a
02:22:44.080 --> 02:22:46.150
way just the messenger. You know, he
02:22:46.160 --> 02:22:48.309
points the way, you have to follow the
02:22:48.319 --> 02:22:50.790
way. The Buddha isn't going to send you
02:22:50.800 --> 02:22:52.710
to hell. The Buddha isn't going to send
02:22:52.720 --> 02:22:55.270
you to heaven. It's your own actions or
02:22:55.280 --> 02:23:02.870
lack of same that are going to do that.
02:23:02.880 --> 02:23:04.150
And there are other there are other
02:23:04.160 --> 02:23:05.670
differences other there are some
02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:08.469
similarities. Basic morality,
02:23:08.479 --> 02:23:11.030
you know, don't don't kill, don't steal,
02:23:11.040 --> 02:23:13.270
don't lie, don't kick puppies, don't
02:23:13.280 --> 02:23:15.349
have sex with your neighbor's wife. This
02:23:15.359 --> 02:23:17.510
kind of stuff. I mean, that's basic
02:23:17.520 --> 02:23:19.270
morality that you're going to find in
02:23:19.280 --> 02:23:22.150
various religions, and it's mainly to
02:23:22.160 --> 02:23:25.670
help stabilize society. Of course,
02:23:25.680 --> 02:23:27.349
telling lies and killing and and
02:23:27.359 --> 02:23:30.950
muraling and all that, I mean, it's not
02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:33.510
good from a moral point of view, but
02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:36.630
still, it's because it's of obvious
02:23:36.640 --> 02:23:39.750
benefit to society. Society really
02:23:39.760 --> 02:23:42.469
emphasizes that kind of stuff. And
02:23:42.479 --> 02:23:44.630
throughout certain
02:23:44.640 --> 02:23:48.230
certain societies and certain certain
02:23:48.240 --> 02:23:51.190
times that's what religion is mainly
02:23:51.200 --> 02:23:53.670
going to emphasize and that's what a lot
02:23:53.680 --> 02:23:56.870
of cynical atheists will say religion
02:23:56.880 --> 02:23:59.349
just arose for the sake of you know the
02:23:59.359 --> 02:24:02.389
upper class controlling the people and
02:24:02.399 --> 02:24:04.469
there is an element of that but it's a
02:24:04.479 --> 02:24:07.110
really superficial view of religion
02:24:07.120 --> 02:24:10.790
because these cynical atheists are
02:24:10.800 --> 02:24:13.590
utterly clueless to any of the more
02:24:13.600 --> 02:24:19.910
refined deeper aspects of spirituality.
02:24:19.920 --> 02:24:22.950
So again, as I said, at the at the
02:24:22.960 --> 02:24:25.349
bottom levels, there are obvious
02:24:25.359 --> 02:24:27.349
differences between Buddhism and
02:24:27.359 --> 02:24:29.990
Christianity, but as you get up into
02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:33.510
like advanced mysticism,
02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:37.429
then they become surprisingly similar.
02:24:37.439 --> 02:24:40.389
Like I was I've I've mentioned this many
02:24:40.399 --> 02:24:43.270
times but I mean I was really surprised
02:24:43.280 --> 02:24:45.830
reading St. John of the Cross in his
02:24:45.840 --> 02:24:47.990
book, The Ascent of Mount Carmel, Las
02:24:48.000 --> 02:24:50.710
Subida del Monte Carmelo, where he's
02:24:50.720 --> 02:24:53.429
talking about stuff that I mean it's
02:24:53.439 --> 02:24:56.309
essentially Buddhism with just some
02:24:56.319 --> 02:24:58.630
Christian terminology, you know, just
02:24:58.640 --> 02:25:01.110
about every important practice that is
02:25:01.120 --> 02:25:04.870
found in like monastic Buddhism is also
02:25:04.880 --> 02:25:07.670
found in monastic Roman Catholicism at
02:25:07.680 --> 02:25:09.910
least in the contemplative orders like
02:25:09.920 --> 02:25:12.550
the disc Carmealites which is what St.
02:25:12.560 --> 02:25:14.790
Jon of the cross was, you know, they've
02:25:14.800 --> 02:25:17.270
got mindfulness practice, they've got
02:25:17.280 --> 02:25:20.070
Janna, they've got just basic morality,
02:25:20.080 --> 02:25:23.990
renunciation, austerity.
02:25:24.000 --> 02:25:26.070
I mean, it's it's all there in both
02:25:26.080 --> 02:25:27.910
systems. And I really don't think that
02:25:27.920 --> 02:25:30.469
Christianity was that much influenced by
02:25:30.479 --> 02:25:33.270
Buddhism. I think that what happens is
02:25:33.280 --> 02:25:35.670
when you get to a certain level of ad
02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:37.910
spiritual advancement,
02:25:37.920 --> 02:25:40.870
certain things just become clear to you
02:25:40.880 --> 02:25:43.030
regardless of whether you're living in
02:25:43.040 --> 02:25:45.510
the Ganges Valley or you're living in
02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:51.190
16th century Spain.
02:25:51.200 --> 02:25:52.950
So
02:25:52.960 --> 02:25:55.349
I don't know if I really answered the
02:25:55.359 --> 02:25:58.950
question that Arin is interested in. I
02:25:58.960 --> 02:26:01.270
mean there is no
02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:05.030
family tree that that has a a trunk
02:26:05.040 --> 02:26:08.630
containing the common ancestor of
02:26:08.640 --> 02:26:11.030
Christianity and Buddhism. My father
02:26:11.040 --> 02:26:13.510
used to believe that there was a common
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:17.110
that my father had this weird idea that
02:26:17.120 --> 02:26:19.990
Brahmanism was like the the primordial
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religion. And then his his his way of
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linking that with Judaism is that the
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Israelites when Moses went up onto Mount
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Si to commune with God that they started
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worshiping the the golden calf which my
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father had identified as like Hindu cow
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worship you know the Brahma bull or
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something but I don't think it it worked
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that way. I think that's just a
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coincidence
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that the early Israelites according to
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tradition were worshiping a golden calf
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and that doesn't really have anything to
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do with sacred cattle in India or
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Brahmans.
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So like I said, probably the only
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uh common elements between Buddhism and
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Christianity, common ancestor would be
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just latent cultural aspects of like the
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Neolithic farmers that spread out from
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the near east.
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Maybe some prehistoric Indo-Uropean
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elements also.
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And then maybe Buddhism had some
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influence on early Christianity
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through first Buddhist missionaries sent
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by the emperor Ashoka
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to the Hellenistic kingdoms at the time.
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Which I mean there have been theories
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that like some of the early quasi
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monastic sects of Judaism may have
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gotten the idea from Buddhist
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missionaries. you know, the therapeutic
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or the Essenes. There might be some
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Buddhist elements to some of that maybe.
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And then of course you had later during
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the time of um you know the tomic empire
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in in Egypt and later the the early
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Roman Empire you had trade routes
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between Rome or between Egypt and India.
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So you had Indians living in Egypt like
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especially in the seap ports which
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include Alexandria Egypt which is also
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like a university town.
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So there could have been some
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philosophical elements from Buddhism and
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other Indian systems that are sort of
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getting in into like
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um Jewish philosophical thought and then
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influencing early Christianity also. But
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that's still conjecture.
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So
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I guess I answered that question. I hope
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I did. And uh so that's it. I think
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we're done after two and a half hours to
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answer not really not all that many
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questions. But like I always should say
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at the beginning and hardly ever do. I
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mean it's I'm just in the habit of doing
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it this way now. Just saying at the end
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as I should say at the beginning but
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hardly ever do. If you have any
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questions you think I can answer
02:29:27.760 --> 02:29:31.110
regarding Buddhism, Dharma in a broader
02:29:31.120 --> 02:29:33.910
sense, philosophy,
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Burma, me personally, anything that you
02:29:36.640 --> 02:29:38.150
think I that I can answer, even like
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biology,
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I I know some things about biology. I've
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been studying up on some really weird
02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:45.990
theories in that in biology. For
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example, before I get off the thing,
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right before we finish this,
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I I'm reading about there was a group of
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early animals called the Embolo Terry, I
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think they're called. Gosh, that's too
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bad that I Yeah, I don't have it now. I
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think it's the Embolo, which was They
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used to be considered amphibians,
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prehistoric amphibians, like before the
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reptiles. They like some of the early
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land animals and but now they're not
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considered to be amphibians. They're not
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considered to be reptiles and they're
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not considered to belong to any
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taxonomic class between amphibians and
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reptiles. They just have no taxonomic
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class. They're sort of like like
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upgraded amphibians,
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but they weren't quite reptiles yet. And
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they weren't amphibians anymore, so they
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just don't even bother to say what they
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were.
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which kind of bugs me.
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So yeah, I can I can discuss like
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biological concepts like evolution. You
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got any any skeptics of evolution out
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there?
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I can I can set things straight for you.
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And so no more than three questions per
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person per episode, please.
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And uh be happy. Oh, wait. First, you
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got to like check the check the URL
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